mircea_popescu: "Putetumadre, what a great article. Insight untold and unparallelled here. Tip of my hat. Where is the Bitcoin donation button? How can I reprint this on my Web site? Please e-mail me with answers. Thanks :-)"
thestringpuller: redditors are not nearly as bright as you'd want though unfortunately
mircea_popescu: it's not that they're not that bright, it's that mostly they live on welfare.
thestringpuller: due to the states involvement in making it profitable for cartels
thestringpuller: I always thought the war on drugs was a cover for incarcerating people for free labor.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1300 @ 0.00043539 = 0.566 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: So DL Hughley came on the Daily Show a few nights ago, and he was saying how he interviewed these gang members. And he said, "Why don't we hook you up with stock options of the prisons you'll be doing time in, when you do time"
thestringpuller: so he hooked up a bunch of gang members with legit stock options, which may become the standard for "hazard pay"
iz: how much does 1 incarceration really affect the value of the prison's stock though?
iz: seems like it would be pretty negligible
mircea_popescu: iz i guess it's more like the principle of the thing, like invederate gamblers owning s.dice stock
mircea_popescu: or people dealing in options owning mpoe stock. you get a discount
iz: yeah, it's a cool idea, but not terribly practical
thestringpuller: if you're incarcerated chances are you'll be doing labor for free
rg: iz: you ever hang out on Undernet?
iz: you could probably make more money by finding change in your car
iz: rg: i did for a bit, but under a different nick
mircea_popescu: iz people who go to prison aren't really the best at making money.
iz: nope, different person probably
thestringpuller: some people who go to prison though are patsies and get paid comfortably
rg: i doubt ill ever find daz again
thestringpuller: okay so I think it's more the gang buys stock in the companies that own the prison's they'll be serving time in
iz: ah, that makes more sense
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: I was thinking about what yo said a few days ago. BTC is not for the average consumer. What if someone did a BTC -> Stock Exchange pass thru?
mircea_popescu: the thing to do is getting future contracts with physical delivery IN BTC.
mircea_popescu: something i've been working on for what, six months now.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49196 @ 0.00043439 = 21.3703 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1day: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 30day: 0.0001 / 0.00298639 / 0.0034 (2013520 shares, 6,013.16 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1day: 0.00043264 / 0.00043505 / 0.00043867 (1298344 shares, 564.86 BTC), 30day: 0.00025015 / 0.00037181 / 0.00046059 (86641622 shares, 32,214.45 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX:S.BVPS] 1day: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 30day: 0.0027501 / 0.00345047 / 0.00355 (63482 shares, 219.04 BTC)
thestringpuller: I must say, I've learned more about finance from the BTC community than anywhere else.
mircea_popescu: i like how the price graph tells the story of the sec panic
gp5st: the exchanges listed in the topic, why will they not encounter the same legal problems glbse ran into?
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller i always said, btc is a very cheap way to gain a good financial education
gp5st: mircea_popescu: i guess i just assumed they did.
gp5st: seems to be the common answer whenever asked about it
mircea_popescu: pirate had "some friends that decided to make things difficult"
mircea_popescu: what guarantees you don't have some friends that will make things difficult ?
gp5st: mircea_popescu: since that's a vauge statement i can't give anything but a vauge answer
gp5st: well, moving on to more tangible topics: of the exchanges listed in the topic, which has the most volume (I'm currently looking into them, so I'm still learning)
mircea_popescu: gp5st mpex is doing ~60k atm. it was always doing about 3x to 5x glbse volume
mircea_popescu: actually towards the end it was prolly more like 10x, but heck.
thestringpuller: but then again that's not mpex's fault, there aren't a lot of btc-based companies worth listing
mircea_popescu: i was gonna say, you know i could make it VERY diverse in about half hour
mircea_popescu: and then gp5st's question would suddenly gain lots of flesh
gp5st: what are the 3 companies with stock listed?
mod6: S.MPOE | S.BVPS | S.DICE
gp5st: yes, i see those:) what/who are they though
gp5st: there is a details link i missed before
mircea_popescu: gp5st s.mpoe is the conglomerate of mpoe (the options broker) and mpex (the stock exchange). the historical contract is found here :
mircea_popescu: s.dice is satoshi dice. s.bvps is bitvps, rg's hosting company
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller in principle yes, but a lot depends on what contract can be agreed upon.
thestringpuller: I'm just wondering more of, if a BTC based company becomes profitable and takes VC money, does that mean it's bound by regulation now??
mircea_popescu: i guess that'd also depend on the contract they entered into with the vcs
mircea_popescu: there's a tiny fraction of the world called the united states, and a much larger, comparatively more important rest.
mircea_popescu: there's 10 mn people living in new york and 290 mn people NOT living in new york.
mircea_popescu: just so there's 300mn people living in the us and 6,8 bn people NOT living in the us
thestringpuller: New York is a good manifestation of American capitalism...
mircea_popescu: these days it's mostly a sad manifestation of american welfarism, but anyway.
mircea_popescu: you can't tell me that something is a manifestation of capitalism when that something is traditionally blue
mircea_popescu: starving "artists" + university "students" => socialist environment.
thestringpuller: There is a section of Atlanta just like that. Full of new age retro hippies.
thestringpuller: The coinbase funding is dumb. Coinbase is not even that good, it's all hype. Blockchain.info has so many more features...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7772 @ 0.00043539 = 3.3839 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: almost 1M and it's pretty much blockchain's wallet with "prospective features"
mircea_popescu: im not even sure what coinbase is, so i guesshey may have a point lol
gp5st: i'm sorry if i'm being a pain: how do the options work on mpex?
mircea_popescu: gp5st you're not a pain, kinda what this chan is for. do you know options in general ?
gp5st: a little bit. i buy an option @ a price and then when it expires i need to buy the underlying thing at the price i bought the option at?
gp5st: ah, then i guess i do not
mircea_popescu: options convey the right but not the obligation to either buy (calls) or sell (puts) at the strike price
mircea_popescu: mpex options are american-style, so that option is there all through till expiration (unlike european style, where option only exists at expiration)
mircea_popescu: gp5st anyway, a good idea is to read up on options in general, mpex is pretty much the same.
gp5st: so if i buy one $1/btc option, what happens on fri? i can sell or buy what with it?
gp5st: yeah, i'm in the process of trying to learn about how financial markets work
gp5st: there is a lot there to learn
mircea_popescu: there is a lot to learn. as i was saying, bitcoin is a very cheap way to learn finance, comparatively. so, good for you.
mircea_popescu: bitcoin is to finance what computer fly simulators are to pilots i'd say.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu so btc can be used to train people to be good traders?
mircea_popescu: if i ran an investment bank/hedge fund what i'd do is give all interns 1k btc, hire the top x ones by final btc
thestringpuller: ironically the only person who succeeded was a 17 year old girl who is a physics/econ major...
mircea_popescu: "And saying that economics is the central component of western cultural identity and that indigenous people's downfall is because they simply implemented it the wrong way is beyond retarded."
gp5st: what are the legal ramifications for listing on mpex? would a us-based company be able to put shares on it?
mircea_popescu: gp5st i'm really not qualified to discuss that. us-based company should make its own determination.
mircea_popescu: however, if that company isn't principally taking a btc revenue it makes little sense to list on mpex
gp5st: i was just curious what the limitations dice and bvps had
gp5st: i shouldn't have made it so us-centric
mircea_popescu: (for purely accounting reasons, shares in btc, revenues in non-btc, makes a mess)
thestringpuller: if your revenue stream was comprised of 100% BTC, would you claim it?
gp5st: but only a profit from in a recognized currency, like usd or eur, right?
mircea_popescu: gp5st if you sell btc and now have extra eur or w/e you'd declare it like any other revenue
thestringpuller: seems like the best place to make a btc business is romania...
mircea_popescu: as long as you keep it as btc afaik in most jurisdictions there's no declaration
gp5st: yes, but if i buy a stock with btc, and sell it for more btc...
gp5st: thestringpuller: how come?
gp5st: gotchya mircea_popescu
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3875 @ 0.00043439 = 1.6833 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33625 @ 0.0004338 = 14.5865 BTC [-]
dub: the war on drugs is not winnable because nobody is trying to win it, like the war on terror
dub: its not about winning its about the war
dub: if the war was won there would need to be another war which is just more work, best keep no winning the existing ones
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: so will there ever be intermediate options?
mircea_popescu: a few months ago btc was ~5 and options went 1 to 10 at a .5 step
thestringpuller: given MPOE is the options broker, would you ever let third parties exercise the options?
mircea_popescu: there's both a mkopt and a split option implemented, you know this ?
mircea_popescu: (then again, if you don't have the cash flow to go directly to mpex it may be the case you're not well served by underwriting options)
mircea_popescu: a well if you buy them then im sure coinbr has buy.sell
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16475 @ 0.0004338 = 7.1469 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7465 @ 0.00043351 = 3.2362 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6038 @ 0.00043336 = 2.6166 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2822 @ 0.00043313 = 1.2223 BTC [-]
pigeons: wiw, maybe supadupa was right all along. we're too hard on him. he's just misunderstood.
SupaDupa: I'm not Bi-Polar I'm Bi-Winning!
SupaDupa: I'm not Bi-Polar I'm Bi-Winning!
SupaDupa: I'm not Bi-Polar I'm Bi-Winning!
SupaDupa: I'm not Bi-Polar I'm Bi-Winning!
SupaDupa: I'm not Bi-Polar I'm Bi-Winning!
SupaDupa: I'm tired of pretending that my life is not WINNING!
SupaDupa: every second of the day WINNING!
gmaxwell: he does that a lot too. Not even a very competent flooder. :(
xisalty: this is why you cant get bitcoins
xisalty: and maybe peope will trade
gmaxwell: Well technically you need a lot more than 5 BTC.
xisalty: he paid back mine on default
SupaDupa: I loaned her my balls she never gave back
SupaDupa: WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU THINK I'M TRYING TO DO FAGGOT!
SupaDupa: and I piss SQL and shit Source Code
gmaxwell: thestringpuller: good, thats the right technique, no words with more than 4 letters.
pigeons: so clever. he joins and then leaves
Azelphur: for someone that has such a high IQ he has so much problems getting money xD
gmaxwell: Azelphur: I think this is the IRC version of flinging poop.
gmaxwell: interesting that xisalty vanished at the same time...
Azelphur: for someone with a 186 iq he has a big problem understanding sendq
SupaDupa: I'm a legend everywhere that I go , every botnet distro , every bitcoin ho losing their coins yo!
SupaDupa: I'm a legend everywhere that I go , every botnet distro , every bitcoin ho losing their coins yo!
SupaDupa: I'm a legend everywhere that I go , every botnet distro , every bitcoin ho losing their coins yo!
SupaDupa: I'm a legend everywhere that I go , every botnet distro , every bitcoin ho losing their coins yo!
SupaDupa: I'm a legend everywhere that I go , every botnet distro , every bitcoin ho losing their coins yo!
SupaDupa: I'm a legend everywhere that I go , every botnet distro , every bitcoin ho losing their coins yo!
SupaDupa: I'm a legend everywhere that I go , every botnet distro , every bitcoin ho losing their coins yo!
gmaxwell: Azelphur: IQ is relative to a population, the reference point for him is a chimp.
copumpkin: he's failing rather miserably at being a good spammer
gmaxwell: thestringpuller: no natural selection for that.
Azelphur: thestringpuller: isn't that pirateat40
gmaxwell: Azelphur: the guy with the totally transparent scam? He said smart, not effective.. and thats the point.
Azelphur: he's actually going to jail now?
SupaDupa: Can't stop lending me coins and never gettin them back! All the the fuckin bitcoin noobs fists wrapped around my sack!
unicron: thestringpuller: he is? haha, i've been out of the loop
thestringpuller: You were neutered as a child to prevent stupidity from running rampant in this world.
SupaDupa: Can't stop lending me coins and never gettin them back! All the the fuckin bitcoin noobs fists wrapped around my sack!
SupaDupa: Can't stop lending me coins and never gettin them back! All the the fuckin bitcoin noobs fists wrapped around my sack!
SupaDupa: Can't stop lending me coins and never gettin them back! All the the fuckin bitcoin noobs fists wrapped around my sack!
SupaDupa: Can't stop lending me coins and never gettin them back! All the the fuckin bitcoin noobs fists wrapped around my sack!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4800 @ 0.00043539 = 2.0899 BTC [+]
QuickBitcoins: Why are those coins gone in the first place? Supa?
gmaxwell: thestringpuller: they knew that all the girls go for a guy with explosive IRC flooding.
pigeons: SupaDupa: see a doctor, seriously
SupaDupa: gave me some happy bills and shit
gmaxwell: careful loading those links people.
pigeons: what about litecoin loans?
Azelphur: he's probably just some kid that doesn't get enough attention so goes looking for it on IRC
QuickBitcoins: You keep screwing with supa you wont see any of those loans
gmaxwell: thestringpuller: because he's nice for ten minute spans of time, and evades the bans and not everone knows about this BS.
smickles: mircea_popescu: i threw an upvote at that reddit link
Chaang-Noi: lol, some action here now... not what i expected, though it never is in btc land
QuickBitcoins: If I recall his girlfriend told him that they couldnt get their cat back unless he got away from his parents or something.
smickles: mircea_popescu: heh, that's a nice image in that article
QuickBitcoins: So he spent people's money trying to get away from their abuse, but they followed him, so now he's apparently losing his shit.
mircea_popescu: trying to dig up an old post for to show thestringpuller but fuck me if i can find anything in my blog ;/
smickles: mircea_popescu: and now, for perspective, over 3/4 'cashed out' before glbse went down, and I still have 38 (or so) btc to distribute
Azelphur: smickles: what's that for, MPOE?
Azelphur: smickles: you got shareholder data?
smickles: noagendamarket: in the context of the time, it was a funny and easily understandable joke ;)
smickles: Azelphur: not that I know of, i'll check for emails
Azelphur: smickles: ah, was just asking because you said you are distributing btc
smickles: Azelphur: last email from glbse was on oct 14
dub: We regret to inform you that GPUMAX will be permanently closing
Azelphur: yea, I wish nefario would hurry up already
dub: yes well nefario is the only other person with this address
smickles: Azelphur: I think glbse confused you ;) they gave some btc back, so i have it to distribute, but no info to perform that action
dub: not much need to check daily
smickles: I don't understand the delay at all
Azelphur: dub: indeed, at this rate it's sounding like I'll need one
smickles: here's a question, what do i do with the btc when nef doesn't ever give out shareholder info?
Azelphur: by pirate I'm down ~150, by GLBSE I'm (currently) down about 500, and clipse got me for ~50
dub: im into clipse for ~30
Azelphur: mircea_popescu: he's scammer tagged now
dub: ran a pps+ 'mining pool' that turned out to probably have just been a PPT
Azelphur: the age old "Lol I've got your money goodbye" attack
dub: it was for a while, then problems its coming soon, then nothing
Azelphur: mircea_popescu: you friends with him / have his address? people want to go after him legally
Azelphur: if GLBSE screws me as well, I'll be pretty bummed
Azelphur: because that'll be pretty much all my money gone \o/
mircea_popescu: look on the bright side : you saved 20 btc on a mpex acct.
pigeons: you didn't hear? glbse lost the rest of the funds and database to a chinese relic hunter who guessed their mtgox api key
Azelphur: but you gave me it for free in the early days
Azelphur: I have 11465 satoshidice shares, \o/
dub: pigeons: its ok, if neafrio asks real nice he'll give it back
Azelphur: have they gone up much since the ipo?
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1day: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 30day: 0.0001 / 0.00298639 / 0.0034 (2013520 shares, 6,013.16 BTC)
Azelphur: me and investments clearly wern't meant to mix
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31576 @ 0.00043313 = 13.6765 BTC [-]
pigeons: when you threaten to sue theymos it is
Azelphur: why are we threatening to sue theymos?
pigeons: we're not. goat is because theymos was involved in glbse
mircea_popescu: well then wtf, she STARTED the give theymos a scammer tag thread
pigeons: sorry, even your girl isn't as trolly as goat
mircea_popescu: i mean, can we stoop to "why was x banned" level after the "omg, 6mn in bitcoins stoled" this august ?!
Chaang-Noi: i think i got banned cuz i told theymos he was wrong in telling people not to send back the double paymensts they got from nefario
Chaang-Noi: i said people had the options to sue glbse owner
Chaang-Noi: theymos thinks he is protected, but he is not
Chaang-Noi: he said it was unfair he is liable for nefarios actions
Chaang-Noi: i also questioned that since nefario had over 50% of the vote why he could not shut down glbse
Chaang-Noi: i think theymos has gone a bit crazy with the scammer tag/bann hammer abuse cuz of his stress with glbse
noagendamarket: technically Magical Tux is allowing unlicensed securities to be promoted on his forum.
Azelphur: why would you tell people not to return the double payments?
Chaang-Noi: i did not, THEYMOS told people not to return double payments
Azelphur: yea, theymos is getting really odd
Chaang-Noi: he is trying to make the glbse situation drag out
Chaang-Noi: seems you can do anything on that forum other than tell theymos when he fucked up
mircea_popescu: this theory suffers of the fact that they've not banned my girl.
Azelphur: I'm starting to notice in the bitcoin community there so many people who think they are immune to the law
noagendamarket: well...the police dont even investigate if your house gets burgled why would they care if your bitcoins get stolen ?
Azelphur: noagendamarket: you can bet they will start caring about unlicensed securities
noagendamarket: unlicensed securities, tax avoidance and money laundering yes
Azelphur: that leaked shareholder info was ridiculous
dub: noagendamarket: I got burgled a couple years back, the dude then tried to fraud my bank using a debit card in mail I'd never opened
smickles: why is it that EVE and secondlive companies get a pass
Azelphur: Chaang-Noi: I mean the meeting, sorry for being unclear
dub: noagendamarket: bank calls me out of the blue 'mr x your card replacement card is with a courier it will be iwth you shortly', I go 'oh good please confirm the address',, call cops with current location of burglar. carefactor 0
Chaang-Noi: ahh, i loled when that guy posted that meeting on the forum, i think thats why i got perma banned to, cuz i read it and said how week it made them all look.
dub: noagendamarket: they called me back 6 weeks later
smickles: noagendamarket: that doesn't make much sense, the people running them exist physically
smickles: and if it's 'physicality' that is the bar, s2cm and mpoe.etf were gold
noagendamarket: yeah but second life isnt going to affect tyhe central bankers lol
pigeons: 1. they are simulations and games. 2. the amounts of value are relatively small
Azelphur: I know a guy who sold his house, put the money in his bank, and when he presented his passport to the bank to show ID for a large deposit, they took it and scanned it. Later someone walked in complete with a fake passport and cleaned out his account for £150k iirc
noagendamarket: julian assange didnt get charges untill wikileaks embarrassed the bankers
pigeons: it is always a point mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: show me a law that says it's ok to steal as long as you don't steal a lot.
Azelphur: He was lucky, he went to make a cash withdrawal and his account balance was zero and the bank was able to stop the transaction before it left the country, he got all his money back
pigeons: the whole law on whether you are a msb in usa for example is if you are under X a day
Azelphur: was apparently about an hour away from leaving the country
pigeons: we aren't talking about stealing, we are talking about your papers please
noagendamarket: technically its not stealing when you hand your cash over to someonbe voluntarily
pigeons: well im not talking about fraud either
mircea_popescu: im sorry to burst everyone's bubble, but contrary to the widely held belief in conspiratist circles, enforcement of the various financial regulations is traditionally very softgloved.
copumpkin: [22:59:37] <pigeons> papers please
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8429 @ 0.00043539 = 3.6699 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1day: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 30day: 0.0001 / 0.00298639 / 0.0034 (2013520 shares, 6,013.16 BTC)
Azelphur: If I was nefario and my lawyer told me that it was time to shut down or face possible jail time, I'd be shutting down too
noagendamarket: why are we arguing about it ewhen they are about to start flying 30 000 drones over the citizens lol
Azelphur: noagendamarket: indeed, but it's fairly obvious that he did
mircea_popescu: no but think about it. ask any lawyer if it is "advisable" to drive your car
mircea_popescu: he'll tell you that well... you face possible jail time and ideally you should not drive your car
mircea_popescu: people somehow irresponsibly don't seem to retain a lawyer to ask this.
pigeons: the problem isnt that he shut down, the main problem is that he did it without returning accounting to asset holders or even all the funds, and that he dicked around with his shoe on head picture bullshit
mircea_popescu: this culture of lieing (about pretty much everything) is the fucking problem.
mircea_popescu: he lied about talking to a lawyer. he lied about even having wtf any clue whatsoever what he's doing.
pigeons: the problem is that he didn't return asset lists or money
mircea_popescu: it is just a string of lies all the way through. review his fucking videos at that ridiculous conference nobody went to.
copumpkin: he posted a pic of himself with a shoe on his head?
smickles: glbse was just an elaborate fundraiser for nefario's sexchange operation and therapist fees
Diablo-D3: and he said it was to get asset issuers
mircea_popescu: pretty much all the guy does is lies and somehow this has become "the norm".
pigeons: lieing sucks, but he needs to give people their bitcoins back and the asset issuers information about their assets
mircea_popescu: look at the wannabe entrepreneurs in the forum : THEY ALL LIE
mircea_popescu: start a btc-corp, get back to me, then it'd be useful.
pigeons: you lied about pirate's sister, liar!
copumpkin: someone brought it up recently again on the forum
copumpkin: as an example of maged abusing his power as a mod
pigeons: maged was gonna give him a scameer tag for saying he fucked pirate's sister
pigeons: he doesn't have a sister i think
copumpkin: mircea_popescu: do you know house of gord?
Chaang-Noi: badbear brought up the sister thing when attacking maged
Chaang-Noi: it was lols globol mod on global mod action
Chaang-Noi: now maged is upset at theymos for not talking about or warning maged i was banned, not sure why
pigeons: i challenge you to SupaDupa
copumpkin: I bet ciuciu secretly rides chariots of women
copumpkin: perhaps he even has binders of them
copumpkin: EskimoBob also likes chariots of women
copumpkin: or gord's weird vehicle attachments
pigeons: i used to date a hood ornament
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 11.56112, Best ask: 11.60000, Bid-ask spread: 0.03888, Last trade: 11.60001, 24 hour volume: 21461.38961651, 24 hour low: 11.55000, 24 hour high: 11.79000, 24 hour vwap: 11.66320
mircea_popescu: unrelatedly : is anything funnier than the fact that uk's chief justice lord is an honorable judge by the name judge ?
mircea_popescu: also, this guy is actually igor judge baron judge lord chief justice & queen's counsel
smickles: buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo
pigeons: biggie smalls biggie smalls biggie smalls
smickles: the space between dick and and, and and and harry is too small
smickles: that looks like a guy having fun
Azelphur: SupaDupa: I challenge you to act like an adult for 24 hours
smickles: and they have the same sort of info
mircea_popescu: sorta like a tl;dr mpoe-pr summary service for the public ?!
Azelphur: Anyone know how to find out your bitcoinmax balance? I pinged payb.tc but he isn't replying and his site is broke :<
mircea_popescu: A North Korean army minister was reportedly executed with a mortar round for allegedly drinking and carousing during the official mourning period following leader Kim Jong-il's death.
Azelphur: Chaang-Noi: maybe you can shed some light on ^ :P
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.00043539 = 1.4803 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: I'm really trying hard to make this project completely different from all the other shit holes, like i.e. GLBSE used to be.
mircea_popescu: apparently the girl left some scars in the adolescent imagination.
Chaang-Noi: i know nothing about payb.tc other than he is not wanting to work with the sec or the kill pirate mob
Chaang-Noi: i think if you had payb.tc you now haz 0 btc
Chaang-Noi: just like all the other people who gave coin to pirate
Azelphur: was just curious how much I lost, but he isn't responding to forum pm's and his sites login is broke
pigeons: bah, who gives bitcoins to people they actually know?
Azelphur: guess I will have to piece it together from my bitcoin wallet history
Azelphur: SupaDupa: Suggestion, if you want to repay your loans, why don't you just repay them in USD? I'm sure people would be willing to accept that, and you have it
Ssateneth: If someone doesn't accept cash, they are an IDIOT
Ssateneth: I accept cash. I just don't send goods until I have cash in hand.
pigeons: paypal isn't cash, maybe not everyone supa borrowed from even uses usd, the deal was for btc, maybe they want btc
Ssateneth: He can buy bitcoins with cash though
pigeons: he doesn't have cash, he has paypal
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6346 @ 0.00043539 = 2.763 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41400 @ 0.00043546 = 18.028 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56400 @ 0.00043748 = 24.6739 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56241 @ 0.00043789 = 24.6274 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12626 @ 0.00043858 = 5.5375 BTC [+]
Ssateneth: Or better yet, he can pay a bitcoin seller with cash and the bitcoin seller sends bitcoins to the person that supa owes btc/money to
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53038 @ 0.00043867 = 23.2662 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15700 @ 0.00043885 = 6.8899 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23000 @ 0.00043903 = 10.0977 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43800 @ 0.00044 = 19.272 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30800 @ 0.00044037 = 13.5634 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00044043 = 4.052 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36400 @ 0.00044052 = 16.0349 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6780 @ 0.00044092 = 2.9894 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39900 @ 0.00044104 = 17.5975 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30500 @ 0.00044158 = 13.4682 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21900 @ 0.00044171 = 9.6734 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48489 @ 0.00044179 = 21.422 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11200 @ 0.00044191 = 4.9494 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11478 @ 0.0004424 = 5.0779 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26323 @ 0.00044242 = 11.6458 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54800 @ 0.00044246 = 24.2468 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17400 @ 0.00044248 = 7.6992 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15000 @ 0.00044251 = 6.6377 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25300 @ 0.00044258 = 11.1973 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31500 @ 0.00044275 = 13.9466 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.00044277 = 1.9039 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53166 @ 0.00044286 = 23.5451 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23200 @ 0.00044291 = 10.2755 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41300 @ 0.00044286 = 18.2901 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53800 @ 0.00044332 = 23.8506 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1791 @ 0.00044379 = 0.7948 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2162 @ 0.00044389 = 0.9597 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21600 @ 0.00044487 = 9.6092 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32700 @ 0.00044497 = 14.5505 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40460 @ 0.00044568 = 18.0322 BTC [+]
Ssateneth: I only joined here to see supa spamming
mircea_popescu: o.o that's a first. you joined to see someone's spam ?!
Chaang-Noi: she saw i was banned and has changed her ways:)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8273 @ 0.00043481 = 3.5972 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: SupaDupa ill trade btc for ltc or ppcoin
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2800 @ 0.00043313 = 1.2128 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48527 @ 0.00043343 = 21.0331 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55900 @ 0.00044 = 24.596 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33800 @ 0.00044183 = 14.9339 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.000445 = 0.445 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2822 @ 0.00044551 = 1.2572 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8840 @ 0.00044568 = 3.9398 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9000 @ 0.00044583 = 4.0125 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32900 @ 0.00044608 = 14.676 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16400 @ 0.00044637 = 7.3205 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18274 @ 0.00044695 = 8.1676 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34400 @ 0.00044763 = 15.3985 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22700 @ 0.00044784 = 10.166 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28094 @ 0.00044854 = 12.6013 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7343 @ 0.00044889 = 3.2962 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9378 @ 0.00044391 = 4.163 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33300 @ 0.0004375 = 14.5688 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12327 @ 0.00043718 = 5.3891 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1319 @ 0.00044391 = 0.5855 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15800 @ 0.00044742 = 7.0692 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1181 @ 0.00044859 = 0.5298 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16873 @ 0.00043718 = 7.3765 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11227 @ 0.00043657 = 4.9014 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38600 @ 0.00044172 = 17.0504 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2938 @ 0.00044753 = 1.3148 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: o hey, gmaxwell "wants to reconsider my involvement with bitcoin." ?! best news of the fucking month.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12227 @ 0.00044339 = 5.4213 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27329 @ 0.00044004 = 12.0259 BTC [-]
gigavps: we'll probably see 7s again soon
gigavps: i wouldn't think about it as damage
gigavps: the market just doesn't have enough ppl acting on the price to keep it from having big swings
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 600 @ 0.00044576 = 0.2675 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: The article does not discuss "race". That's your own contribution. More generally, it's quite clear reading it that it follows a cultural rather than physical anthropology vein, and so your racial preoccupation is wholly misplaced.
thestringpuller: The article does not discuss inferiority, that is again your very own contribution. (It does discuss difference, obviously, but that's something else).
thestringpuller: He places the downfall of native american tribes on the fact that they were too "confused" to really understand ownership and thus got owned due to their backwardsness. The reason why most native tribes did not have free-hold land ownership treaties was because
thestringpuller: Makes no difference what follows that "because." Did you do your homework ? No you didn't because. F. Next time, do your homework.
thestringpuller: More generally, it is not okay to run around calling "retardedness" anything that doesn't jive with whatever little you groked of the ideological mishmash being presented as a viable alternative to reality by whatever second tier college you happen to be partying at.
thestringpuller: been working on writing my on 3d pipeline for class in python
thestringpuller: cause we just discussed the "university students" a few hours ago
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: question about options, when I purchase a put for this month as you said it's american style right? So basically I have until Oct 31st to exercise on the option's strike price?
thestringpuller: hopefully it doesn't go below 11 right before new options are issued
thestringpuller: when are we allowed to exercise on the option's strike price?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 371 @ 0.00044081 = 0.1635 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 11.13001, Best ask: 11.15000, Bid-ask spread: 0.01999, Last trade: 11.15000, 24 hour volume: 49643.68215816, 24 hour low: 11.02500, 24 hour high: 11.71000, 24 hour vwap: 11.40163
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P130T] 4 @ 0.14264076 = 0.5706 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: not saying that to butter you up, but you and smickles have ridiculous insight into the btc economy
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P110T] 10 @ 0.053896 = 0.539 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: just buying selling them? I thought it was too late to buy this month
thestringpuller: when you exercise and option you pay btc = to the usd price for the btc?
thestringpuller: could you go over a quick example like I'm 5 for exercising and option (particularly a put)
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 11.06003, Best ask: 11.10670, Bid-ask spread: 0.04667, Last trade: 11.06003, 24 hour volume: 52165.66011815, 24 hour low: 11.00000, 24 hour high: 11.71000, 24 hour vwap: 11.37971
thestringpuller: So for calls when your purchase the option, the strike price has to be below the current price, and vice-versa for puts? (being issued from bot that is)
mircea_popescu: think about it, it's little use to have the right to buy at 12 when the market price is 11
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4429 @ 0.00043989 = 1.9483 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9600 @ 0.00043989 = 4.2229 BTC [-]
kakobreklaaa: 15:52.11 ( thestringpuller ) btc is not for consumers
mircea_popescu: A 20-year-old Brazilian student has sold her virginity in an online auction to a Japanese man named Natsu for £483,000 ($772,000).
Diablo-D3: "sounds like something a japanese guy would bid for"
Diablo-D3: not sure if Im racist or accurate.
Diablo-D3: allllll the virgin women you'd ever want
Diablo-D3: and probably a few teachers that'd do it for you
copumpkin: mircea_popescu: why stop at two holes?
copumpkin: oh, you clearly haven't seen the urethral sex videos
thestringpuller: I thought you were more pimpin than snoop dogg himself mircea_popescu
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16280 @ 0.00043989 = 7.1614 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: if you have to do it by hand as if it's still 1812 then yea there is something wrong with hit
copumpkin: depends if you're proving shit or calculating numbers :)
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 10.93000, Best ask: 10.93023, Bid-ask spread: 0.00023, Last trade: 10.93000, 24 hour volume: 61721.37923365, 24 hour low: 10.84731, 24 hour high: 11.71000, 24 hour vwap: 11.30128
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P110N] 4 @ 0.2426901 = 0.9708 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8500 @ 0.00043989 = 3.7391 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1696 @ 0.00043989 = 0.7461 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31704 @ 0.00043985 = 13.945 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5596 @ 0.00043985 = 2.4614 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4700 @ 0.00043753 = 2.0564 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8055 @ 0.00043657 = 3.5166 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35749 @ 0.00043655 = 15.6062 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 11.04001, Best ask: 11.08999, Bid-ask spread: 0.04998, Last trade: 11.09000, 24 hour volume: 65134.03095826, 24 hour low: 10.84731, 24 hour high: 11.71000, 24 hour vwap: 11.26946
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6224 @ 0.00043655 = 2.7171 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16100 @ 0.00043992 = 7.0827 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5427 @ 0.00043655 = 2.3692 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10373 @ 0.0004357 = 4.5195 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 11.05000, Best ask: 11.12740, Bid-ask spread: 0.07740, Last trade: 11.05000, 24 hour volume: 65695.61932853, 24 hour low: 10.84731, 24 hour high: 11.71000, 24 hour vwap: 11.25478
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10129 @ 0.00043992 = 4.4559 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2359 @ 0.00044033 = 1.0387 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 11.05000, Best ask: 11.05001, Bid-ask spread: 0.00001, Last trade: 11.05000, 24 hour volume: 65454.63059593, 24 hour low: 10.84731, 24 hour high: 11.71000, 24 hour vwap: 11.25302
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P190T] 3 @ 0.69548485 = 2.0865 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P110T] 3 @ 0.05192401 = 0.1558 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28427 @ 0.0004357 = 12.3856 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29073 @ 0.00043534 = 12.6566 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2868 @ 0.00043534 = 1.2486 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27100 @ 0.00043529 = 11.7964 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26232 @ 0.00043495 = 11.4096 BTC [-]
jurov: thestringpuller, anything new?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42403 @ 0.00043623 = 18.4975 BTC [+]
knotwork: WTF is going on, ASIC makers still dumping huge numbers of coins to get USD to build their ASICs?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00043496 = 1.7398 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3800 @ 0.00043495 = 1.6528 BTC [-]
B0g4r7: I thought the asic makers used bitpay or something to dump as soon as the purchase is made.
pigeons: ok change to bitpay still dumping ...
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P060N] 10 @ 0.052 = 0.52 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 10.66100, Best ask: 10.68991, Bid-ask spread: 0.02891, Last trade: 10.66100, 24 hour volume: 72170.32957297, 24 hour low: 10.66100, 24 hour high: 11.71000, 24 hour vwap: 11.18757
dub: facebook has jumped the shark
dub: I've been considering deleting my profile but I think I'll just let it rot to avoid the drama
vampireb_: i use fb for traking birthday of close friends
vampireb_: neither it has my real name on file
dub: lately I noticed it actually limits my social interaction
dub: also get sick of untagging myself from shit
dub: facebook was actually the first time my real name met the internet
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 300 @ 0.00337 = 1.011 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3000 @ 0.003375 = 10.125 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 200 @ 0.0034 = 0.68 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40346 @ 0.00043602 = 17.5917 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2297 @ 0.00043623 = 1.002 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1600 @ 0.00043832 = 0.7013 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17141 @ 0.00044033 = 7.5477 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17600 @ 0.00044576 = 7.8454 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5700 @ 0.00044733 = 2.5498 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32243 @ 0.00044889 = 14.4736 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50903 @ 0.00045028 = 22.9206 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25200 @ 0.00045144 = 11.3763 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2200 @ 0.00045148 = 0.9933 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29770 @ 0.00045172 = 13.4477 BTC [+]
vampireb_: i was removing my name from the internet, so far doing good :-)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BVPS] 1200 @ 0.0032491 = 3.8989 BTC [-]
john_smith: mircea_popescu: what's the stereotypical most common Romanian name?
mircea_popescu: ion, gheorghe, in general saint's names are quite frequent
mircea_popescu: and your john smith reminds me of this one time we were awaiting the visit of one jon smith, expert in whatever from headquarters!
dub: I tracked some of your countrymen to a cnc channel on undernet called #robert once
Doffx: No, Rex is a fag name.
Doffx: mircea has fag potential.
dub: rex*, though robert is faggy too, I had a friend called robert
Doffx: Robert I see a Bob, I dont know any fag Bob's.
dub: he made me angry, then went to hospital
mircea_popescu: mircea kinda has fag potential... which is why it shouldn't be entrusted in the wrong hands
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4376 @ 0.00045172 = 1.9767 BTC [+]