dub: I have a shitload of 1310nm lasers
dub: they're in SFPs (optical transcievers)
Bugpowder: bad spot on the H20 absorbtion curve
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.0033995 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.00690053 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 20 @ 0.00690054 = 0.138 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 29 @ 0.00690055 = 0.2001 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: all the buy back chatter sucking people in
femtotube: do any of you know what DMC has in it's portfolio?
assbot: [GLBSE] [BTC-MINING] 1 @ 0.94989999 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BTC-MINING] 1 @ 0.9499 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BTC-MINING] 5 @ 0.95 = 4.75 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BTC-MINING] 2 @ 0.95 = 1.9 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 20 @ 0.00670219 = 0.134 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 325 @ 0.0067022 = 2.1782 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 90 @ 0.0069 = 0.621 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 65 @ 0.00690055 = 0.4485 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 6 @ 0.00690059 = 0.0414 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 2 @ 0.00698317 = 0.014 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 2 @ 0.007 = 0.014 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 176 @ 0.00705036 = 1.2409 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 1500 @ 0.0004418 = 0.6627 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 3222 @ 0.00044181 = 1.4235 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 970 @ 0.00044182 = 0.4286 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 2100 @ 0.00044182 = 0.9278 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 9800 @ 0.00044182 = 4.3298 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 5800 @ 0.00044182 = 2.5626 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 200 @ 0.00044183 = 0.0884 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 5911 @ 0.00044183 = 2.6117 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 8269 @ 0.00044183 = 3.6535 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 2746 @ 0.00044183 = 1.2133 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 2480 @ 0.00044184 = 1.0958 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 5984 @ 0.00044184 = 2.644 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 4900 @ 0.00044184 = 2.165 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 208 @ 0.00044185 = 0.0919 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 7410 @ 0.00044186 = 3.2742 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 3499 @ 0.00044186 = 1.5461 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 1691 @ 0.00044186 = 0.7472 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 880 @ 0.00044186 = 0.3888 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 3778 @ 0.00044186 = 1.6693 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 500 @ 0.00044186 = 0.2209 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 5040 @ 0.00044186 = 2.227 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 400 @ 0.00044186 = 0.1767 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 11100 @ 0.00044186 = 4.9046 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 3112 @ 0.00044186 = 1.3751 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 7407 @ 0.00044186 = 3.2729 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 7500 @ 0.00044187 = 3.314 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 7193 @ 0.00044193 = 3.1788 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 6500 @ 0.00044302 = 2.8796 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 1400 @ 0.00046526 = 0.6514 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 4900 @ 0.0004418 = 2.1648 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 1675 @ 0.0004418 = 0.74 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 6996 @ 0.0004418 = 3.0908 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 8600 @ 0.00044177 = 3.7992 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 2829 @ 0.00044174 = 1.2497 BTC [-]
Doffx: Is the Gsdpt div pretty low? I was thinking it might reach 4% a month or so, buts its quite a bit lower than that. Less than 1%
femtotube: Doffx: maybe thy have not enough shares to pay better div. I know, I know, this is probably a bad joke for today :)
assbot: [GLBSE] [LTC-MINING] 1 @ 0.569999 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [LTC-MINING] 1 @ 0.41520001 BTC [-]
BTC-Mining: Doffx, no, around 1% is pretty much what was expected
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 20 @ 0.0033995 = 0.068 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 400 @ 0.0033995 = 1.3598 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10157 @ 0.00036521 = 3.7094 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C100T] 850 @ 0.33091416 = 281.277 BTC [+]
Doffx: I was hoping for more but at least the stock is stable
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 10 @ 0.0069999 = 0.07 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN.B] 1 @ 0.44999999 BTC [+]
guruvan: ya know mircea_popescu I'm surprised no one's tried a big short squeeze when they know someone has a big short
guruvan: oh anything....since people mostly have to advertise the desire to borrow shares, a short squeeze seems like it would e easy if someone thought of it
guruvan: wouldn't take that much on GLBSE
guruvan: oh, I'm sure THAT desire isn't lacking around here Smoovious
guruvan: mircea_popescu: I've certainly seen money mangers get squeezed in the big markets....not often, but big when it happens
mircea_popescu: people who borrow shares on fixed time intervals can't.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8143 @ 0.00036102 = 2.9398 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2957 @ 0.0003653 = 1.0802 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: in practice the later is usually only available to specialists or otherwise select players.
guruvan: hmm...good point (can't as easily.....though it could happen, but then it's a game of who ever has the most funds wins)
Diablo-D3: [05:12:50] <mircea_popescu> iirc mostly obsi and usagi
Diablo-D3: obsi closed all of his assets, and I dont have any of usagi's stuff
Diablo-D3: [05:11:51] <femtotube> do any of you know what DMC has in it's portfolio?
Diablo-D3: 1000 btcmc, 1000 asicminer, 106 btc-mining
assbot: [GLBSE:BTC-MINING] [Bid: 0.93100001] [Ask: 0.959033] [Spread: 0.02803299] [Last: 0.95] [24hVol: 25.44309999] [7dAvg: 0.95297324]
assbot: [GLBSE:BTCMC] [Bid: 0.5] [Ask: 0.58969999] [Spread: 0.08969999] [Last: 0.45000001] [24hVol: ] [7dAvg: 0.521956]
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: I calculated it as >800
assbot: [GLBSE:DMC] [Bid: 0.02] [Ask: 0.07499998] [Spread: 0.05499998] [Last: 0.02] [24hVol: 16.37999649] [7dAvg: 0.07139604]
mircea_popescu: then again smickles was trading .3 / 1.1 yest in spite of being worth ~1.x
Doffx: What happen with all the DMC drama anyhow.
Doffx: Well I'm sure of that.
Diablo-D3: some, some are jumping the entire market
dub: not sure how anyone can stay at this point
Doffx: I left a long time ago
Doffx: I own 1 stock and I tried to sell it
Doffx: But then the .0034 bidwall got put up and fucked me.
dub: I own 1 DMC and a soon as someone pays me one million btc for it, im out
Diablo-D3: I guess Im stuck slowly buying everything back
Diablo-D3: so just buy up all the dmc on the market
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 10 @ 0.5989 = 5.989 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 10 @ 0.59 = 5.9 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.59 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50100 @ 0.0003653 = 18.3015 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BFLS.RIG] 5 @ 0.9 = 4.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BFLS.RIG] 2 @ 0.94 = 1.88 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BFLS.RIG] 10 @ 0.95 = 9.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BFLS.RIG] 1 @ 0.97 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BFLS.RIG] 10 @ 0.97899 = 9.7899 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BFLS.RIG] 39 @ 0.979 = 38.181 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BFLS.RIG] 1 @ 0.979 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BFLS.RIG] 1 @ 0.98 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BFLS.RIG] 2 @ 0.98 = 1.96 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17000 @ 0.00036192 = 6.1526 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: "I was turned off by an otherwise-appealing open-source project after seeing that Zynga had contributed to it"
Diablo-D3: "I want to write a simple program in python with two libraries, but one requires python2, and the other python3."
Azelphur: Diablo-D3: I like this subreddit xD
mircea_popescu: "I want to write a simple program in python with two libraries, but one requires python2, and the other python3."
Diablo-D3: yeah, clearly bitcoin is fucktarded
Diablo-D3: "I used Bash for three years before learning about tab completion"
Diablo-D3: because the black mages has a good version of it
BTC-Mining: The full original version is good enough for me.
Diablo-D3: actually, Im almost considering playing either ToP or ff5 again
BTC-Mining: Eh, I'd need to get ff5 or seiken densetsu 3
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21006 @ 0.00036077 = 7.5783 BTC [-]
BTC-Mining: I just don't have so much time to play everything.
BTC-Mining: I pretty much never played anything that was not released in North America
assbot: [GLBSE] [RAREEARTH] 1 @ 0.00999999 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: I dont think I can ever play earthbound again
Diablo-D3: BTC-Mining: tales of phantasia had a jpop intro. on the snes. with lyrics.
BTC-Mining: played illusion of gaia and star ocean
Diablo-D3: terranigma's internal project name was illusion of gaia 2, but they're unrelated games (same way FF games are)
Diablo-D3: star ocean was made by the same team that did tales of phantaisa
Diablo-D3: star ocean and ToP are impressive uses of the snes hardware
Diablo-D3: oh, and I assume you've already played chrono trigger
Diablo-D3: BTC-Mining: Im not sure if you know this, but the black mages is nobuo uematsu's rock band
Diablo-D3: him and two other squaresoft composers
BTC-Mining: yeah of course, never heard anything from them tho
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 34 @ 0.0033995 = 0.1156 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: chrono trigger is the best rpg ever. on any platform.
Diablo-D3: its basically portal for old school jrpgs
Diablo-D3: everything that needs to be there is there
Diablo-D3: and it doesnt help I've beaten it like 50 times
BTC-Mining: I'm not sure why the cult around Chrono Trigger. Definitely one of the best I ever played but still...
Diablo-D3: I mean, like, Ive played basically every great jrpg ever
Diablo-D3: and ct still tops it and I cant figure out why
BTC-Mining: I don't like that Black Mages version too much.
Diablo-D3: earthbound papas is nobuo uematsu's OTHER band.
BTC-Mining: The fact it's synthetized is a bit annoying, especially for the chorus.
Diablo-D3: yeah especially when theres very good synth choirs out there
BTC-Mining: But the rest is perfect. Closer to SNES sounds.
Diablo-D3: everything needed to do final fantasy music: ewql symphonic orchestra, ewql symphonic choir, ewql stormdrum
Diablo-D3: thats like $3000 worth of software
Diablo-D3: ewsqlso is like 5 DVDs or some shit
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 700 @ 0.00045505 = 0.3185 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: "I think Bitcoin and cryptocurrency stands to challenge and has the potential to topple the very notion of unlawful trade, just like the printing press challenged and toppled the notion of unlawful speech."
dub: BTC-Mining: aren't you chinese? should be familiar with that concept
Diablo-D3: sqaure is fucktarded for not using this music in a ff6 port
dub: oh, I assumed the lack of logic and reasoning was cultural
Diablo-D3: dub: you almost owe me a new keyboard
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDK.BND] 2 @ 0.0495 = 0.099 BTC [+]
BTC-Mining: Some sounds are too low while most beats are just... way too high.
assbot: [GLBSE] [BBBB] 140 @ 0.00016 = 0.0224 BTC [+]
BTC-Mining: I can't have it loud enough without having the occasional blast shredding my eardrums.
Diablo-D3: the way dancing mad was meant to be
rdponticelli_: mircea_popescu: Have you thought about listing ASICMINER on mpex?
Diablo-D3: it wouldnt be a passthrough either
Diablo-D3: friedcat will hold onto shares off glbse if you have enough
BTC-Mining: So anyway. Apparently I'm chinese for being on GLBSE, because it's cultural for chinese people to lack logic. Seems somewhat racist.
mircea_popescu: if they actually deliver something at some point we can talk ofcourse, but atm seems premature
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.00036134 = 1.5538 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: "When I was your age, we rocket jumped all the way to school uphill, both ways, in boiling lava"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BVPS] 7800 @ 0.00351 = 27.378 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.57999999 = 1.16 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [COGNITIVE] 21 @ 0.58 = 12.18 BTC [+]
dub: <BTC-Mining> So anyway. Apparently I'm chinese for being on GLBSE
dub: not sure I could have illustrated that point any better, thanks.
assbot: [GLBSE] [GOLD] 10 @ 0.00999998 = 0.1 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [COGNITIVE] 3 @ 0.5551005 = 1.6653 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [COGNITIVE] 7 @ 0.55510049 = 3.8857 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.55 BTC [-]
tbcoin: Someone could summarize what the fuck is going on with nefarious and goat / TYGRR?? I've been off the topic a while now and I do not understand what happens.
Diablo-D3: tbcoin: basically he delisted goat's assets without warning
Diablo-D3: and now is trying to force a broken redeem system on goat
Diablo-D3: and is also holding hostage any btc goat had on bitcoin
Diablo-D3: because nefario already spent it on coke
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.00036162 = 3.3631 BTC [+]
tbcoin: nefarious has given any explanation? forum I see lot of laps about the communication between them
Diablo-D3: even bitcointalk admins have ordered him to give a good reason
BTC-Mining: Basically, long ago, someone created a scam asset called "GLBSE"
tbcoin: delisted OK, SEC FUD, but freeze his account?
dub: it stems from goat holding an asset called GLBSE that was initailly a scam that nefario took over and said he would make legitimate but then didnt and now wants back for some reason
Diablo-D3: BTC-Mining: yeah, ut that has nothing to do with it
Diablo-D3: or rather, even if nefario acted out of revenge, he STILL did it
dub: bascially nefario is retarded and glbse.com is a scam
BTC-Mining: Nefario said he would honor those shares even if the scammer ran away with this.
Diablo-D3: because glbse shareholders will rape him in both holes
BTC-Mining: So Chaang understood it as owning GLBSE and decided to buy shares.
Diablo-D3: that doesnt tie into why nefario closed goat's assets
tbcoin: I withdraw all my funds at the moment to removal TYGRR
Diablo-D3: nefario did it because goat made a big stink about it
Diablo-D3: tbcoin: a lot of assets are leaving because of what nefario did to goat and dmc
BTC-Mining: Now Nefario wanted to pay back for the shares but Chaan was unhappy about that and not owning a good part of GLBSE and wanted more for the shares than their IPO price if I recall right.
BTC-Mining: Chaang was demanding Nefario to be tagged as a scammer and was uncooperative.
Diablo-D3: BTC-Mining: yeah, but the irony now is, nefario might get that tag
BTC-Mining: Nefario decides to kick all Chaang's assets off of GLBSE.
BTC-Mining: Should have at least allowed some delays for Chaang to prepare.
tbcoin: business in bitcoin are full of BS...
Diablo-D3: Smoovious: yes, but nefario still participated in that pissing contest
Diablo-D3: and has destroyed glbse in the process
tbcoin: then, in the magical case of pirate pay something someday, goat would take it or he still refuses to use the nefarious codes?
dub: the code scheme is broken, goat would be an idiot to entertain any notion of using the solution nefario provided
dub: yes, it is. Look at Joel's posts for explanation
dub: insecure, unverifiable, relies on goat and nefario trusting each other which they obviously dont
tbcoin: Smoovious: he must fulfill their holders, unless deemed in breach of contract after leaving glbse
BTC-Mining: Being on GLBSE at all requires trust in Nefario... Why would GLBSE platform hold any more trust than the codes
dub: its simpler than that, as soon as there is a dispute (e.g. someone tries to claim twice) everyone is fucked
dub: because goat cannot trust nefario to have not maliciously issued teh same code twice, and nefario cannot trust goat to have invented the double claim
tbcoin: the sending of the code was done wrong by Nefario, that's for sure
BTC-Mining: Well why doesn't he just regenerate the codes and send them encoded?
tbcoin: BTC-Mining: is an option, now that reach an agreement ...
tbcoin: is a fight, like many things other things around here, lengthen and lengthen until people forget and give up all for lost.
BTC-Mining: That or implement a system for people to submit a BTC adress Nefario can then give to Chaang.
mircea_popescu: BTC-Mining he should put a system in where ppl can load their gpg signatures
mircea_popescu: this would be incidentally rebuilding mpex, but hey. for a good cause...
mircea_popescu: nobody can double claim, nefario can prove all the claims legitimate and goat can prove all the claims legitimate
mircea_popescu: but the entire thing is a good exercise of "how would bitcoin look if nefario was satoshi"
dub: Smoovious: laywers would argue that by doing anything with the list goat is admitting _some_ liability for it
dub: lawyers might argue that as well
mircea_popescu: oh, the "try it out see if it fits" solution that idiot proposed on the forum is the worst of them all.
dub: liability for nefarios unilateral decision to cause the problem?
dub: are you, perhaps, chinese?
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 1100 @ 0.00045505 = 0.5006 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 150 @ 0.0033994 = 0.5099 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 2 @ 0.0033994 = 0.0068 BTC [-]
dub: alternative to timestamping tits, stick sharpie in pooper
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 20 @ 0.0033994 = 0.068 BTC [-]
novusordo: dub: don't talk about /b/ outside of /b/, newfag
novusordo: i was not implying he was homosexual.
kakobrekla: o, you can find a cute ass or two there
dub: novusordo: there are no rules, you're teh newfag
dub: but mircea_popescu is right, im an exfag
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 400 @ 0.00045504 = 0.182 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 7056 @ 0.00045504 = 3.2108 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15000 @ 0.00036201 = 5.4302 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39400 @ 0.00036134 = 14.2368 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.10999979 = 0.22 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.1099998 = 0.33 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35500 @ 0.00036251 = 12.8691 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BTC-MINING] 1 @ 0.959033 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BTC-MINING] 5 @ 0.96 = 4.8 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 35 @ 0.003301 = 0.1155 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 315 @ 0.0033 = 1.0395 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 1004 @ 0.00045487 = 0.4567 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 5296 @ 0.00045487 = 2.409 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: what maged said about him being a scammer?
Chaang-Noi: its silly i cant use option 1 or option 2 until i have a new exchange
mircea_popescu: i like how maged got all excited over the tech part :D
Chaang-Noi: next maged will come after me for not doing anthing
mircea_popescu: but anyway, how many actual shareholders do you expect ? a hundred or so ?
Chaang-Noi: is maged saying made a new type of coin?
Chaang-Noi: tygrr-[ had a value of like 40,000 btc
Chaang-Noi: i dont code and maged can tell me to do so
Chaang-Noi: im sure the shareholders can make something forme
Chaang-Noi: that is if they accept tghe code system
Chaang-Noi: if i were them id tell nefario to fuck off
Diablo-D3: Chaang-Noi: maged is still thinking about giving nefario a scammer tag and setup a url filter to label all glbse links as scams
mircea_popescu: Chaang-Noi the solution is relatively easy for shareholders, they just import key to wallet and sign a message with the new addy
Chaang-Noi: that means that all my links to assets will be scams?
mircea_popescu: it is a little complex for you tho as it will require custom coding
Chaang-Noi: maged was lied to by nefario so maged im sure is pissed
Chaang-Noi: but nefario im pretty sure will be protected
mircea_popescu: you think theymos values his < 5k investment that highly ?
Diablo-D3: theymos is selling his glbse shares
Chaang-Noi: no where in my contract does it say i have to operate an exchange...
mircea_popescu: well ya but there's not that many shares left you know
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 27 @ 0.007 = 0.189 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 30 @ 0.00719999 = 0.216 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 4 @ 0.00743803 = 0.0298 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.00749998 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 2 @ 0.00870863 = 0.0174 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 2 @ 0.00916005 = 0.0183 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.00975394 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.009788 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 4 @ 0.00979627 = 0.0392 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 192 @ 0.01 = 1.92 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: theymos is a little late on the share sale
mircea_popescu: by monday people are "hey, are you selling cause of nefario ?"
pigeons: usagi did you ever explain what gives you the right to close .B before making sure everyone who trusted you with .A gets their coins back?
mircea_popescu: if A doesn't get full capital back after he closes B he's getting -'d to hell.
mircea_popescu: might as well find a different mythological creature to be.
assbot: [GLBSE] [BFLS.RIG] 2 @ 0.799001 = 1.598 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BFLS.RIG] 1 @ 0.784 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24040 @ 0.00036228 = 8.7092 BTC [-]
pigeons: usagi: i'm serious i can't read every line of the channel and the forum. can you answer?
Bugpowder: usagi, what happens to NYAN.A if its assets go bad and B has already been refunded
pigeons: so NYAB.B is not collateral for NYAN.A?
Bugpowder: My concern with NYAN.A is sufficient that I sold out of B.MPCP.B at 5% below par today
pigeons: usagi: so you are getting rid of the collateral for NYAN.A?
pigeons: you will sign something with the key to an address that holds enough collateral to repay NYAN.A?
rdponticelli: I would like to own some asicminer, or some moore outside of glbse
mircea_popescu: rdponticelli i think the asicminer ppl do private booking tho neh ?
assbot: [GLBSE] [HYDRO.BONDS] 1 @ 1.33 BTC [-]
dub: PROTIP: GLBSE is in th process fo blowing up and closing
pigeons: well just because the other funds you ran went out of business doesn't mean i don't trust you that NYAN.A is in zero danger, but the agreement was that NYAN.B could be sold and given to .A investors to ensure that?
Bugpowder: Yeah.. that is the other reason I got out of the B tranche. GLBSE could be gone by Nov 1st.
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 1 @ 0.07479999 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: time to make a bets of bitcoin bet
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder what's the connection between .b and glbbq ?
Chaaang-Noi: if nefario has the scammer tag it will hurt glbse im sure
Bugpowder: uhh an who knows what Patrick is exposed to
pigeons: but you need to close .A first
mircea_popescu: patrick is mostly exposed to his paycheck, which is why he gets the trust
pigeons: yes but how is that not screwing over .A?
mircea_popescu: i have no doubt he made massive losses, but i'm pretty sure he limited his investments to what he can actually cover, unlike pretty much everyone else.
Bugpowder: gotta stop trading on 2 cups of coffee and no breakfast
mircea_popescu: obviously this is speculation. but the guy is actually licensed to do finance
pigeons: but .A was collateralized by .B and now is "trust me"
assbot: [GLBSE] [HYDRO.BONDS] 3 @ 1.32599 = 3.978 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [HYDRO.BONDS] 1 @ 1.32589 BTC [-]
pigeons: ok, sounds like .A is a worse deal than it was earlier for sure now
pigeons: so what if something on NYAN.A goes bad?
assbot: [GLBSE:NYAN.A] [Bid: 0.8104] [Ask: 0.98] [Spread: 0.1696] [Last: 0.99] [24hVol: ] [7dAvg: 0.98559992]
pigeons: but .C is the one with the OBSI.HRPT?
pigeons: well surely not the "low risk only one"
assbot: [GLBSE:CPA] [Bid: 0.016] [Ask: 0.02999999] [Spread: 0.01399999] [Last: 0.015] [24hVol: 1.69248001] [7dAvg: 0.03625638]
pigeons: its fine cause you can always use NYAN.B to cover it. except when ther is no .B to cover it
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 2 @ 0.58000005 = 1.16 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.58000004 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.58 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.57 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.5602 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.56000002 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 6 @ 0.56 = 3.36 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 8 @ 0.556 = 4.448 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 2 @ 0.5511 = 1.1022 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 4 @ 0.5508 = 2.2032 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.5502 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.55 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 10 @ 0.55 = 5.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 2 @ 0.55 = 1.1 BTC [-]
pigeons: does cpa sign an address that has the funds to back it?
Chaaang-Noi: usagi pigeons has a good point, if this blows up in yourface you will be accused of fraud
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 1 @ 0.0733 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 2 @ 0.07320004 = 0.1464 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 6 @ 0.07320002 = 0.4392 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 2 @ 0.07315 = 0.1463 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 1 @ 0.07315 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 4 @ 0.07312 = 0.2925 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 18 @ 0.0731 = 1.3158 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 16 @ 0.0708 = 1.1328 BTC [-]
Chaaang-Noi: does anyone think i should try to get my listing fees recovered since i am no longer listed and i did not violate the TOS?
pigeons: no you do not do what you say, you say you will back .A with .B, except when you change your mind
pigeons: it does not explain why you can buy .b without moving that to .A or buying back .A
pigeons: ok well i prefered ".A won't default cause you can use .B to cover" over "trust me"
pigeons: i'm not a shareholder anymore, i sold the moment i saw you buy "High risk passthrough" shares for a "low risk insured investments only" fund
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 6 @ 0.1099998 = 0.66 BTC [+]
pigeons: are the holdings of .A public?
dub: its all low risk DMC
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 30 @ 0.11 = 3.3 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2718 @ 0.00036251 = 0.9853 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [THUNDERCM.MIF.SHARES] 5 @ 0.483 = 2.415 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29492 @ 0.00036527 = 10.7725 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13570 @ 0.0003653 = 4.9571 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41200 @ 0.00036619 = 15.087 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31800 @ 0.00036661 = 11.6582 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9900 @ 0.00036671 = 3.6304 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47500 @ 0.00036675 = 17.4206 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50126 @ 0.0003671 = 18.4013 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48727 @ 0.00036754 = 17.9091 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49200 @ 0.00036757 = 18.0844 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39000 @ 0.00036801 = 14.3524 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58516 @ 0.00036852 = 21.5643 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48100 @ 0.00036869 = 17.734 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39100 @ 0.0003692 = 14.4357 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35237 @ 0.00036962 = 13.0243 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17032 @ 0.00037006 = 6.3029 BTC [+]
BTC-Mining: The transparency and safety is in BTC-BOND
pigeons: HRPT does not fit the risk profile for me for .A i would rather they were sold and the btc held until appropriate assets could be found
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15000 @ 0.00037006 = 5.5509 BTC [+]
dub: 'I will give you the benefit of the doubt but you are either an idiot or a scammer'
Chaang-Noi: I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume this was just a bad decision on your part. But several people have already told me privately that they believe you are conspiring with Nefario to appear to pressure him into an agreement that we all know Goat won't accept to shift the blame to Goat. I hope that's not true and that this was just an honest lapse in judgment.
assbot: [GLBSE] [BMF] 1 @ 0.46999999 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: anyone who has read that thread knows what you said. you vs everyone but mages, lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.0003603 = 0.3603 BTC [-]
femtotube: Chaang-Noi: it's really hard to trust any shares on any exchange now days.
Eisenhower34: true, its hard to trust anybody, not onlyexchanges...
Chaang-Noi: no more drama from me mp on the glbse delisting
Eisenhower34: at the moment its much easier to list those who didnt default than those who did...
assbot: [GLBSE] [SILVER] 1 @ 0.00999998 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [SILVER] 1 @ 0.00999999 BTC [+]
Eisenhower34: starting with pirate / matthew / rusty / obsi / BDT / ... the list seems endless
Eisenhower34: you only have to go through the lending section and find "scammers"
rg: [07:39] <Eisenhower34> at the moment its much easier to list those who didnt default than those who did...
Chaang-Noi: i did not default... but was delsited haha
rg: Chaang-Noi hacked my wallet and stole my BC
Chaang-Noi: i cant be the only person who did not default can id?
farfi: tumbleweed then...
rg: Chaang-Noi: won't you default if pirate never pays?
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 1947 @ 0.00045474 = 0.8854 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: i paid my insured bonds already, i dont understand your question
rg: well all your money was with pirate
rg: if pirate doesnt give it back
rg: how many ltc do yuo have
rg: did you get to 100k yet?
Chaang-Noi: check the address you sent to yesterday
Chaang-Noi: fuck im going to buy more at market right now
rg: why not sell now for a healthy profit
rg: actually i guess it wouldnt be too healthy
rg: i sold to you at 0.006 before
Chaang-Noi: my 100k plus ltc are more or less free
gribble: nefario was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 1 day, 16 hours, 12 minutes, and 41 seconds ago: <nefario> Those assets are not listed or traded anymore
farfi: I guess with all Pirate and goat related stuff gone... has no reason to come here...
femtotube: I am no anti* blah. If one fucked up and other did too, then lets untangle the cluster-fuck and move on.
femtotube: looks like those forum mods have no balls to ask the proper questions :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10328 @ 0.0003603 = 3.7212 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00036019 = 3.6379 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30372 @ 0.00036003 = 10.9348 BTC [-]
femtotube: political correctness is the main cause for most of the fuck ups
Chaang-Noi: i was not being politicaly correct haha
assbot: [GLBSE] [LTC-MINING] 3 @ 0.43 = 1.29 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [LTC-MINING] 2 @ 0.4152 = 0.8304 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [LTC-MINING] 6 @ 0.4152 = 2.4912 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [LTC-MINING] 11 @ 0.415 = 4.565 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [LTC-MINING] 20 @ 0.4101 = 8.202 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [LTC-MINING] 11 @ 0.41 = 4.51 BTC [-]
farfi: Chaang-Noi- of course not
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.54121001 BTC [-]
farfi: Have some myself... waiting patiently...
farfi: VERY patiently then :)
Chaang-Noi: it will be nice if nefario does take liability for things going wrong
rg: and people wonder why i dont have aphone
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN.B] 1 @ 0.34961279 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN.B] 1 @ 0.41785599 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN.B] 1 @ 0.45 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.54121 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: i have a phone,. but i only use it as a portable internet connection
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN.B] 1 @ 0.635 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 1 @ 0.077 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 6 @ 0.5412 = 3.2472 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 5 @ 0.54120001 = 2.706 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 1 @ 0.076 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 1 @ 0.075 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 1 @ 0.074 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 1 @ 0.073 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 1 @ 0.072 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 1 @ 0.071 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.54989999 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 1 @ 0.4 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 1 @ 0.375 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 1 @ 0.336 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 4 @ 0.2502 = 1.0008 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 1 @ 0.25 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 9 @ 0.54999999 = 4.95 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 9 @ 0.55 = 4.95 BTC [+]
femtotube: ok, one dead cat did a tiny bounce :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35228 @ 0.00036003 = 12.6831 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14700 @ 0.0003599 = 5.2905 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8037 @ 0.00035987 = 2.8923 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 1 @ 0.07 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 1 @ 0.069 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [RAREEARTH] 5 @ 0.01 = 0.05 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 1 @ 0.068 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 1 @ 0.067 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 8 @ 0.066 = 0.528 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 2 @ 0.06512 = 0.1302 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 3 @ 0.065 = 0.195 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 5966 @ 0.00045478 = 2.7132 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 50 @ 0.00339 = 0.1695 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 1 @ 0.24 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 1 @ 0.23 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 1 @ 0.23 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 11 @ 0.5599 = 6.1589 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: the reatrds took the lack of understanding a mining bond to the delisting
Chaang-Noi: saying nefario delisted cuz i did not mine when i had a mining bond!
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 1 @ 0.22000001 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 1 @ 0.22 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15163 @ 0.00035987 = 5.4567 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24140 @ 0.00035983 = 8.6863 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BFLS] 1 @ 0.60500002 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BFLS] 1 @ 0.60500003 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BFLS] 1 @ 0.60500001 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BFLS] 5 @ 0.605 = 3.025 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: only action is people selling glbse shares....
assbot: [GLBSE] [BFLS.RIG] 1 @ 0.65 BTC [-]
imsaguy2: "payback is to build trust for the future"
imsaguy2: so basically, anyone doing any business, legit or not, can be labelled a scammer
DeaDTerra: any angry screaming crowd I have to take care of yet?
DeaDTerra: oki, I have yet to get any death threats so that's a plus. I have had some angry people, but they were very civilized about their anger. I am impressed
assbot: [GLBSE] [BMMO] 2 @ 0.04499838 = 0.09 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BMMO] 62 @ 0.04499839 = 2.7899 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BMMO] 1 @ 0.0449984 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BMMO] 50 @ 0.04499866 = 2.2499 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BMMO] 20 @ 0.044999 = 0.9 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BMMO] 170 @ 0.045 = 7.65 BTC [+]
rdponticelli: I foresee everybody labeled as scammer by default...
farfi: guilty until proven innocent
farfi: just like the real world
DeaDTerra: You are a scammer, why? because you can't prove that you aren't. Well I haven't scammed anyone yet? doesn't matter you can't prove that you won't
imsaguy2: and if you pay everyone back, by definition, that isn't a ponzi
imsaguy2: but I'll just shut up and go back to my corner
DeaDTerra: I never guaranteed anything. I actually stated the only thing I guarantee is that I will try my best.
DeaDTerra: But they will probably get me a scam tag some how anyways.
OneEyed: I don't think why Chaang-Noi would be labelled a scammer for not investing into mining equipment. I've just posted in the thread asking how it would make a difference.
rdponticelli: Funnier thing is that I bet most people even made a profit if you count it in fiat
DeaDTerra: The idea is if he doesn't invest into mining then he might not be able to pay it back hence he's a scamer.
DeaDTerra: i can see how people have thought but it's not logical. yet again people are jumping to conclusions
rdponticelli: You have to be aware that you're kind of shorting BTC when you invest
OneEyed: rdponticelli is the only one converting to FIAT when it's time to compute a profit/loss :)
OneEyed: rdponticelli: usagi is the only one converting to FIAT when it's time to compute a profit/loss :)
rdponticelli: But I'm saying that if you want your btc so much, keep them
kakobrekla: and if you dont want them, send over here.
rdponticelli: If you buy equipment, you're investing in the security of the network, but you may lost profitability in pure BTC
OneEyed: How can people invest in perpetual (i.e. no buyback date!) fixed mining bonds?
OneEyed: This reminds be of this "mining turds" thread, which was right to the point
assbot: [GLBSE] [SILVER] 15 @ 0.00999999 = 0.15 BTC [+]
rdponticelli: There's plenty of people who just throw coins at things...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39933 @ 0.00035983 = 14.3691 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29567 @ 0.00035978 = 10.6376 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 42 @ 0.00339 = 0.1424 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 1128 @ 0.0033994 = 3.8345 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 1018 @ 0.0033995 = 3.4607 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 2212 @ 0.0034 = 7.5208 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: DeaDTerra you just called me a scammer?
OneEyed: Chaang-Noi: he didn't, he just explained how people seem to see it
DeaDTerra: I just said that I understand how they are thinking but the logic is totally incorrect
DeaDTerra: Instead of backing the bonds with hardware you are backing it with private capital that doesn't make you a scammer.
OneEyed: People should learn to do some basic mathematical infinite sums or integration before investing in such a "perpetual" bond
DeaDTerra: not paying makes you a scammer. But I mean GIGAVPS could just say fuck it I am not paying even though he has hardware, so hardware does not mean securer or better backing.
OneEyed: (or count on finding gullible people to buy the bonds)
Chaang-Noi: deadt was about the oly guy i trusted with my btc for a while
DeaDTerra: I am not leaving, just stepping down for a while ^^ I need to finish school and I need to see how the market develops. I will keep running my own projects behind the scene ;) so don't worry about me
DeaDTerra: thanks m8, same to you. I hope Nefario changes his mind and relists your assets again.
imsaguy2: <rdponticelli> If you buy equipment.. but you may lost profitability in pure BTC << True, but you're also diversifying a bit so taht if the exchange rate starts going down, you'll still have a net gain in USD because of the mining income
imsaguy2: its essentially a diversification
imsaguy2: right now it isn't obvious because diff and price are going up
imsaguy2: if/when there's a time it comes crashing down again (ala last June), they'll be glad its there
Chaang-Noi: if nefario delisted me cuz mining bonds oh lol
rdponticelli: So, if somebody just want their coins, he must held them himself
rdponticelli: If you're putting them somewhere, anywhere, you're risking, and in a way you're shorting
rdponticelli: But is important to notice too that investing in hardware, and even in mining bond, is investing in the security of the network
imsaguy2: there's a very rudimentary definition
rdponticelli: So what you loose on nominal terms in pure btc, you gain on the relative value between btc and other commodities
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 2 @ 0.21530001 = 0.4306 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 5 @ 0.2153 = 1.0765 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 23 @ 0.2153 = 4.9519 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 9 @ 0.2152 = 1.9368 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 50 @ 0.215 = 10.75 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: so in case anyone cares : i've switched my blog to english now.
Azelphur: it still has that scary dude in the header
mircea_popescu: rdponticelli coming up next, i'ma weigh on mpex listing criteria.
Chaang-Noi: anyone think i will get banned for "scamming" from the forum soon?
Chaang-Noi: i was told i would get banned if i did not do someht maged asked
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9429 @ 0.00035978 = 3.3924 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52271 @ 0.00035974 = 18.804 BTC [-]
imsaguy2: how are they going to do that?
Chaang-Noi: Sorry to bring you into this, but I have to.
Chaang-Noi: Within the next 48 hours, please CC Maged@lordaeron.org and theymos@mm.st in an email to Nefario that contains the Bitcoin address you want him to send to. GPG sign it if you have a recognized GPG key.
Chaang-Noi: Failure to do so will result in you being marked as a scammer and possibly even banned for the following reasons:
Chaang-Noi: 1) Publicly lying about having sent Nefario a Bitcoin address. This will be considered libel and ALL posts, made by anybody, referencing this specific lie will be DELETED to protect the forum from legal action.
Chaang-Noi: 2) Not attempting to uphold your contract with your investors in good faith.
Chaang-Noi: I've had it with these games, from BOTH Nefario and you.
Chaang-Noi: but the thing is... i did not play games or lie
Chaang-Noi: and them maged covered for nefario saying it was a misunderstanding
imsaguy2: so now they are claiming libel?
imsaguy2: but all the other slanders are ok?
Chaang-Noi: he then went on to say i was acting in bad faith after i send him the weeks emails
Chaang-Noi: theymos told me that PM are not private messages but personallal messages
Chaang-Noi: if maged wanted it to be private he would have sent via email
Chaang-Noi: smoovious... no one cares what you think... you are a retard for not understandig what a bond is
rdponticelli: lol, getting your ass banned could be the next step...
Chaang-Noi: i was going to get banned if i did not do what maged demanded
assbot: [GLBSE] [BIT.INC] 1 @ 0.1 BTC [+]
Azelphur: GLBSE/MPEx are prolly gonna die anyway, because all the US assets are unable to follow SEC regulations
Azelphur: so at some point in the future all the US assets will have to delist
imsaguy2: Azelphur, even if not illegal, they won't have the funds to defend themselves
Chaang-Noi: im glad im out, but im not glad i cant pay people back
Chaang-Noi: you cant even understand how a mining bond works...
Chaang-Noi: i know a lot of people do not like me, and many more even hate me, but really if you cant understand how a mining bond works, this is not the palce for you.
Chaang-Noi: yes nefario and glbse did exactly what i wanted them to do, im the pupet master...
jcpham: opportunistic troll here
jcpham: read more goddamn goat text
Chaang-Noi: smoovious is just jelly, has no btc, so calls me scammer cuz cant understand contract...
MrTiggr: yu never fail to provide, goat
MrTiggr: kiss and make up you two, we know yu dont mean it
jcpham: my hat comes off and on with ease
MrTiggr: stop feeding the trolls :P
Chaang-Noi: its been going on for months and he just now is rejecting them
Chaang-Noi: smoo is the only toy i can play with :9
MrTiggr: damn .. whenever i am hungry i just know to look for goat or smoo on my graohs these days :P
Chaang-Noi: tiggr, odds on my getting banned in the next few days on the forum?
MrTiggr: go roll a spliff and go watch the blockchain spend for a while at ISeeCoins.org
Chaang-Noi: maged said i would be banned in 48 hours...
jcpham: so make another account?
jcpham: because you seem to care about being banned
Chaang-Noi: i gave 50 btc to the forum as a donoation
MrTiggr: turn "autolayout" on at iseecoins for maximum psychadelic effect :P
Chaang-Noi: but if they do ban me, i wont come back
gribble: Error: "bc,goatbanestimate" is not a valid command.
MrTiggr: <Chaang-Noi> cuz i love btc << WORD to that
MrTiggr: thats why we're here isnt it
Chaang-Noi: will they abuse power even more and snuff me?
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MrTiggr: Smoovious: hrmmm ... mebbe try Ctrl-+
MrTiggr: i like to watch the little dots fire out to a satoshifish as they are spent on 1dice*
MrTiggr: notice ive added a "scrfeenshot" button Smoovious
MrTiggr: so you can save cool shit that hapens :D
OneEyed: Fuck me, I hadn't seen NYAN.B closing announce. I've missed yesterday's movie of the day
MrTiggr: also goto iseecoins.org/Wot.html
MrTiggr: thats a graph of the otc Web Of Trust ratings system
MrTiggr: or gotot the link on the top bar of the main site
MrTiggr: ViewGraphs i think i called it
OneEyed: "If implemented, I would not allow investors to cherry-pick assets from the fund but would instead send them a fair mix of around 5 assets, fairly weighted considering the NAV of NYAN.B and the valuation of the securities which the investors have chosen in motion 155."
OneEyed: So NYAN.B would use its very low NAV, while the assets exchanged for will get the fantasy value if chosen in motion 155?
OneEyed: (I should read the thread, that may be in it already)
kakobrekla: all i see is black MrTiggr, opera and chrome
Chaang-Noi: why is the green dot pirateat40???????????
chmod755: [GLBSE] [GOATSONABOAT] 2380 @ 0.001 = 2.38 BTC [-]
MrTiggr: its fully serchable and has cool metrics
Chaang-Noi: if i want to find me what do i search?
MrTiggr: then full details come up on left panel
MrTiggr: just search your otc username
MrTiggr: Smoovious: i have that here on desktop :P
Chaang-Noi: why does it thin chaang-noi is 'davux'
imsaguy2: its missing many of recent ratings
MrTiggr: which is stil 2600 nodes and 14K edges
MrTiggr: ive been busy on iseecoins.org
Chaang-Noi: why am i not o it? cuz i never used otc?
MrTiggr: takes me about 45 mins to build a new on
MrTiggr: yes if you arent rated on otc you wont be there, Chaang-Noi
MrTiggr: aight ..BRB ... off to build the latest WoT Graph
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assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 1 @ 0.2 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BMF] 2 @ 0.45999999 = 0.92 BTC [+]
imsaguy2: <Chaang-Noi> off for sex << generally those that say that, aren't getting it
jcpham: i got some last night like a boss
jcpham: i feel frisky today too
imsaguy2: perhaps, but did you leave irc claiming you're about to get some?
jcpham: no i got the order all wrong
jcpham: i had the sex first then claimed to have
imsaguy2: I thought goat was married and had a kid?
imsaguy2: please don't tell me he pulled a jesus
jcpham: is that like a donkey punch?
PsychoticBoy: <imsaguy2> <Chaang-Noi> off for sex << generally those that say that, aren't getting it<< Or paying for it ;)
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OneEyed: PsychoticBoy: that's not like he is in a country where paying for sex is easy and well accepted… oh, wait
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7388 @ 0.00035974 = 2.6578 BTC [-]
PsychoticBoy: He had a mining bond named Tygrr-bond.a , and did not have any mining hardware !!!
OneEyed: Smoovious: you're thinking about a ponzi over a ponzi? That's a possibility on the table since day 1, and bitcoinmax is also suspected to have done that
OneEyed: PsychoticBoy: well, when you invest in a fund indexed on Euros, an Euro fund, then you have no guarantee that your money is kept in Euros, that's just a reference value
PsychoticBoy: but still, you cant issue a mining bond when you dont own hardware, its ethical not correct, so FRAUD
PsychoticBoy: So be saying this, I agree Goat should get a SCAMMER tag and he should never get the chance to issue shares of his crap on ANY exchange
OneEyed: "Mining bond" doesn't mean you'll mine yourself. Or does it? Or can you invest in a mining operation? Directly? Also indirectly? What is acceptable and what is not? How does that make even a tiny difference for the investors? This is a bond, not a share, you don't own the hardware assets in any way
OneEyed: Smoovious: so, please, tell me: what would it change *for you* as an investor?
OneEyed: He sold the promised of a return corresponding to a well known value
PsychoticBoy: he initially said he hard the hardware to back it up
OneEyed: PsychoticBoy: doesn't he? I thought he told he was the majority investor or owner of a massive mining operation?
PsychoticBoy: he owns maybe 1 single and some gpu but my little brother also got that ;)
OneEyed: Seriously, I think that investors are to blame here. Especially considering this is Goat, whose morality doesn't appear to be that high :)
OneEyed: Nowhere in the contract is what will be done with the money described. What did you think? That he bought hardware, or that he invested into other mining operations?
OneEyed: The two alternatives are really different, because in one case there are assets (that the bond owners couldn't claim anyway), and in the second case there are none
PsychoticBoy: goat major investor in SR, lol, I am just yapping out my ass now
PsychoticBoy: I personally got more than 1.5k btc in glbse assets so plz let glbse live
OneEyed: So, PsychoticBoy and Smoovious: if you invest dollars into a Euro fund, do you expect the dollars to be converted in Euros and be kept as bills? Or do you expect to get dividends based on the fluctuation of the EUR/USD?
OneEyed: Smoovious: there are some funds where you invest dollars and get equivalent returns of if you had longed Euros
OneEyed: Smoovious: people could also invest in mining operations instead of going through Goat if you consider doing it directly
OneEyed: Was it supposed to be a pass-through or a hardware owner? I still can't understand what investors expected. One or the other or any of them or both.
gribble: Best bid: 12.714, Best ask: 12.81, Bid-ask spread: 0.09600, Last trade: 12.81, 24 hour volume: 49780, 24 hour low: 12.55, 24 hour high: 12.8999
OneEyed: Smoovious: well, Goat operation is, in some sorts, a declared Ponzi, which can work if the reference dividend (1MH/s mining) falls quick enough
PsychoticBoy: smoovious made the whole point clear: now if he had opened up the bond, named it something other than 'mining' related... that it was a personal loan, and that he would repay the bonds, at a rate determined by difficulty and 1 MH, etc etc etc... that would have been straight up... and we could invest or not, honestly... but no
OneEyed: (when I say "work", I mean "work for him", because perpetual also means that he has to pay forever if he doesn't buyback)
OneEyed: With only one benefitor :)
OneEyed: But even if it had been a real mining operation, it would have been the same for the investors.
OneEyed: They would have gained or lost exactly the same amount of money.
OneEyed: The fact that you now *know* that he didn't buy hardware should not change anything of the perception you have of the contract and the expected returns, since they are equivalent.
PsychoticBoy: I assumed it earlier, I know it for about 3 weeks
OneEyed: That was my only point. If he had invested into a mining operation, then the investors would not have lost or gained one satoshi. So I don't see why investors are complaining.
OneEyed: Smoovious: sure, I don't know anything about their dispute. Except that I've seen that Nefario did not explain why he did this, and I lost the trust I had in GLBSE at this time, since I don't know if the same kind of dispute could happen with other asset owners or not.
OneEyed: So even if Goat is at fault, which may be totally the case, Nefario also is.
OneEyed: Smoovious: but why do you think the risk is heavier? Did he fail to pay?
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OneEyed: Smoovious: did he not pay and say "sorry guys, I'm broke and I didn't invest your money"? *That* would be a scam, and I would be 100% on your side. But here, now that people know that he doesn't have mining hardware, he cannot even say "My hardware broke, sorry, no returns until I get a replacement"
femtotube: "Smoovious | and come on... I can't be the only one who saw how obvious..." Every one with a half a brain must have understood it but you see, lots of pole have coin in his crap so...
OneEyed: So unless he intends to run, I see that more as a guarantee. I would prefer to invest into a guaranteed 1MH/s equivalent rather than some hardware whose returns would be distributed to me capped at 1MH/s equivalent.
femtotube: and saved probably most investors coin
OneEyed: Smoovious: I fault him for the way he handled it as well.
OneEyed: Smoovious: he acts not only as an exchange but also as a broker. The brokering part cannot be stopped this way, even if the exchange delists (by freezing for example) the asset.
OneEyed: And handling the brokering part to Goat this way is wrong: not only Nefario didn't use a secure way of identifying the claims, prevent double claims and so on, but also he forces people to go to Goat, while some of them had maybe invested in Goat assets only because GLBSE acted as a middle man
OneEyed: Smoovious: let's agree to disagree here, I just read the contract, I don't see a fraud, but that is my interpretation. People should learn to read contracts too before investing.
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OneEyed: Smoovious: he has *no way* to contact them, does he?
OneEyed: Smoovious: not everyone uses bitcointalk
femtotube: what do you guy do withe those GLBSE codes? Do I need to send it to nefario to get my coin back?
OneEyed: Smoovious: I used bitcoins before I joined bitcointalk or the bitcoin channels on IRC. I could have used GLBSE without joining them too (this is not the case as I happened to discover about GLBSE on the forum)
OneEyed: I don't have any share managed by Goat (nor any share at all at this time), so I can't see the message
OneEyed: Smoovious: how are bond holders supposed to contact Goat? By email?
OneEyed: (I haven't seen the message on the forum)
OneEyed: Thiis is *really* not what a broker should do…
OneEyed: Smoovious: it is obviously, as it is the sole owner of the shares attribution
PsychoticBoy: It is not compareble with the stock world you know it, its not nasdaq or AEX or some
OneEyed: PsychoticBoy: why not in this case? You even see coinbr starting as a broker for the MPEX exchange
OneEyed: The only difference I see is that in the real world, the company itself has the needed information to invite shareholders to general assemblies and such
PsychoticBoy: sure we all (early bitcoin adopters) got spoiled
mircea_popescu: <PsychoticBoy> I personally got more than 1.5k btc in glbse assets so plz let glbse live << doesn't seem likely at this point.
OneEyed: Smoovious: are you saying such a imprecise contract would have been refused?
mircea_popescu: maybe if someone half-competent took over management. which isn't likely given the sort of money it makes.
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PsychoticBoy: but I am slowly pulling some btc out, even if its at a loss
pigeons: capex is the most corrupt of all the SL exchanges
OneEyed: Smoovious: which is close to my previous point: the contract was imprecise, and did not require nor imply (IMO) that mining hardware would be acquired. Now, GLBSE should take its share of blame for allowing such vague contracts.
mircea_popescu: OneEyed do you think i should dig up the logs of where i was asking goat to put up pics of his imaginary righs ?
OneEyed: mircea_popescu: you belong to those thinking he has to own mining rigs to offer such a contract whose coupons are based on a fixed mining performance?
mircea_popescu: i belong to those who knew he doesn't and pretty much said so 6 months ago
mircea_popescu: thus are unsurprised now, just vaguely amused at forum "investor" idiocy.
PsychoticBoy: I know, I also asked goat back in may, but he only said: go ride a bike little boy, so at that point I really lhate goat
OneEyed: mircea_popescu: yes, I understand. But even knowing he doesn't own some, as long as the investors get exactly what they paid for, i.e. coupons indexed on PPS 1MH/s, I don't see as a violation of the contract itself. But I won't redo the discussion here :)
OneEyed: I really hope the coinbr/MPEX deal will make a better exchange system.
mircea_popescu: OneEyed its not a violation of the contract. it's a contract under false premises.
OneEyed: Working together, even if you have nothing to do to make it happen, just let it happen :)
mircea_popescu: jurov has been working at it for >3 months now i think
mircea_popescu: tho in truth there were maybe 8 or 9 people/teams that at some point started
mircea_popescu: but back to the contract : if i sell you a car when i own no car, even if later i acquire and deliver you a car i can still be charged for fraud.
mircea_popescu: that people in general don't bother is true, but it's still what it is.
mircea_popescu: obviously it's unclear how much of that does or should carry over into btc.
jurov: i'm working on it part time since mpex launched beta.. and going crazy from it ...
OneEyed: mircea_popescu: if I sell you a "temperature bond" whose dividends are indexed on what the average temperature is at 6:00 in Paris every day, would it be a fraud not to invest into hot air?
mircea_popescu: OneEyed depends if you sell me this bond and claim you will invest into hot air or not
mircea_popescu: if you claim that you're selling it on the basis of your vast holdings of hot air then yes it is.
OneEyed: mircea_popescu: I would use the same terms as Goat contract, but replace PPS 1MH/s by "average air temperature at 6:00 minus 20 degrees"
mircea_popescu: take a simpler example : if you write a bad check, whether you eventually cover it or not, you still break the law.
mircea_popescu: OneEyed the terms of goat's contract were, at all times relevant, "test".
OneEyed: mircea_popescu: if you refer to claims made outside of the contract, I have to agree with you, however, if you stick to the contract, I don't see he defrauded people.
OneEyed: mircea_popescu: is it really the case?
OneEyed: And people bought bonds???
mircea_popescu: forum "investors" and glbse "investing" are jokes, always were
OneEyed: Where does the contract I've read from then?
mircea_popescu: people never noticed before mostly cause i wasn't around to point it out.
OneEyed: mircea_popescu: don't act as if you were *the* messiah announcing what's true and what's not :)
mircea_popescu: my pr girl called the pirate thing a scam, at a time nobody else was, the list goes on and on. for better or worse, i r messiah.
OneEyed: I've read about Jesus bugs today
OneEyed: A bug which you have nailed down, but reappears three days later
OneEyed: Btw, I see in Usagi thread (NYAN.B closing) that the girl and others were "locally banned". Is that enforced by the moderators, or do you control yourself?
OneEyed: (it was funnier in my head read with a robotic voice)
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OneEyed: mircea_popescu: I hadn't read the whole thread, I just read your new local rules indeed :)
OneEyed: One thing I don't understand about usagi desire to close CPA: why doesn't he hand it over to someone else if he doesnt' want to manage it anymore?
OneEyed: I don't know, but he would probably know people trusting him to get a healthy asset and that he trusts to hand it over
OneEyed: Or does that mean that he doesn't know competent people, or that those people wouldn't touch CPA with a 10 foot pole?
mircea_popescu: it means there are very few competent people, and nobody is interested in a. taking over a blown asset ; b. doing anything on glbse
OneEyed: Smoovious: why would such a guy take a BTC loan with all the risks if brings?
OneEyed: Smoovious: why not invest in $? Or do you want to bring in people with € as well, through BTC?
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OneEyed: Is that new that LinkedIn is trying to be the new Twitter?
OneEyed: "Now you can follow thought leaders on LinkedIn - Barack Obama - Follow Barack"
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: Your -pr girl wasn't the only one calling pirate a scam. There were lots of other people. On the other hand, there's still no hard evidence that anyone has seen that it is. Not yet. The only thing going for the notion is time, but there are alternative explanations.
OneEyed: midnightmagic: according to your reasoning, we may never be able to call it a scam, if he continues to pretend he will pay later for centuries. Right?
OneEyed: midnightmagic: note the "may", as we may discover it is a scam by proving it is a scam if, for example, accounting books are found
OneEyed: midnightmagic: what I'm saying is that in the absence of proof that it is a scam and in the absence of proof that it isn't, given the current situation, it is most likely a scam
OneEyed: (it may not be a scam, but pirateat40 has not offered any evidence [not even soft evidence] that the bitcoins were invested in anything real)
midnightmagic: OneEyed: And no, given the balance of probabilities, "most likely" is too strong, even now.
OneEyed: midnightmagic: you are delusional :)
midnightmagic: OneEyed: Don't get me wrong. The balance is on the scam side.
OneEyed: midnightmagic: you have probably seen many signals that indicate that it may be a scam (people not getting money for the main one, without any explanation). Have you seen any signal that may indicate it is not a scam?
OneEyed: midnightmagic: judging if an investment is a scam is not the same thing as judging people, there is no "innocent until proven guilty", this is much more balanced. And right now, the balance clearly goes to the scam side, and by an enormous lot
midnightmagic: OneEyed: Yes. The explanations he's given, so far, do not suggest scam. Only the actions themselves suggest an alternate explanation--that being scam.
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OneEyed: midnightmagic: the explanations were not backed by any fact, right? Any.
midnightmagic: There are no actual facts about the movement of money either way.
OneEyed: midnightmagic: so turn it the other way: only vague declarations may suggest an alternate explanation -- that it is not a scam.
midnightmagic: But why explain when it could taint any legal defence he might be mounting?
midnightmagic: OneEyed: Yes, that is why I say the balance appears to be on "scam". However, in the absence of facts, it is foolish to draw firmer conclusions.
OneEyed: midnightmagic: once again, what makes you believe it can be a non-scam? Only his declarations? You're a trusting guy :)
midnightmagic: OneEyed: I just told you. I don't believe it's a non-scam. Why do you think this is a binary choice?
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OneEyed: midnightmagic: sure, it would be foolish to assume in any way it is not a scam, as not a single fact suggests that it is not one. Not one! Did we find out the accounts supposed to have been repayed for example? Or did we get an amount? Nothing, none, zip.
midnightmagic: Disclosure: I have zero dollars invested; I "own" zero pirate debt. I have zero to gain from his being, or not being, a scam, except in the circuitous rep-of-bitcoin sense.
midnightmagic: OneEyed: That is correct, it would be foolish to assume or conclude it is not a scam.
OneEyed: Smoovious: a lot of *facts* call for scam. He took the money. He met only selected people in Vegas when he told he would meet anyone willing to, and some people have testified that they asked him to meet. He pretended that Trendon Shavers was a DBA, and that it was the name of a guy who didn't even speak English.
midnightmagic: OneEyed: If I had concluded it was not a scam, I would have been on the "buying up pirate debt" train a long time ago.
midnightmagic: OneEyed: You should be more careful about the word "testified".
OneEyed: midnightmagic: pretended if you wish
OneEyed: Smoovious: sure, as I don't expect water to turn into wine on my table, if it does, well, so much the better
midnightmagic: OneEyed: I would be interested to know about the "name of a guy who didn't even speak English" part. Where did you read that?
OneEyed: midnightmagic: you could find it on the forum, I'm not sure I would be able to find it in a reasonable time, but you should look for yourself, try "Trendon Shavers" "DBA" "English" if the forum software lets you do that
midnightmagic: Smoovious: In reality, people should have been more cognisant of the risks: you can't "assume it was" as though you are certain. You just have to evaluate the risk and behave accordingly.
midnightmagic: Smoovious: For example, hedging against it in direct proportion to your personal certainty.
OneEyed: (I'm trying to get thr gith link)
OneEyed: midnightmagic: sure, people can be lying, maybe he didn't write that, you can never be certain if you haven't witnessed it yourself
midnightmagic: Smoovious: In my case, I chose not to participate at all, as sticking to my Grand Plan was more important to me.
midnightmagic: That, and the inertia of how difficult I'd made reconstructing my offline wallet.
assbot: [GLBSE] [MERGEDMINING] 1 @ 0.055 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [MMM] 2 @ 0.6 = 1.2 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [MMM] 3 @ 0.59 = 1.77 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [MMM] 1 @ 0.544 BTC [-]
OneEyed: Smoovious: you're realizing that posting this out of context and without any link makes it profundly ininteresting? Not that there is much discussion here.
midnightmagic: OneEyed: I found pirateat40 saying that in my logs. It was on #btcst, 2012, 08/21, around 14:55:38 pacific time.
OneEyed: Smoovious: so don't you know any alcoolic person?
OneEyed: Smoovious: this acknowledges it as a disease, that can be cured, but is not easy to. I guess if the impregnated person was at risk of harming students in any way, then other texts and sanctions would apply.
OneEyed: Smoovious: sure, as people who get depressed, they can just work this out themselves, no need for help, that's not a disease
femtotube: what the going price for 1 Mh/s now days?
OneEyed: I'm not saying that's a reasonable plan, 5 strikes also seem a lot to me. But you should try to put yourself into other people shoes before judging. Do you really think the teacher unions would battle to obtain such a text just for free, out of the blue, without any discussion, just because union teachers get drunk all the time maybe?
OneEyed: Smoovious: I've seen drunk people be very good teachers, at least in conferences :)
OneEyed: By "drunk" I mean "intoxicated", not "so drunk that they vomit all over the place"
OneEyed: (does drinking two glasses of wine make you intoxicated and unable to teach? - depend on the person I guess)
OneEyed: Here, it is written "under the influence of intoxicating liquor"
OneEyed: Smoovious: didn't mean you wouldn't have done a good job
OneEyed: Smoovious: of course, if it endangers yourself or other people, I can get that!
GamblingMan: What's up with the Satoshi Dice dividend yesterday?
GamblingMan: I bought some shares thinking it would pay a decent dividend...
OneEyed: Smoovious: but would for example a librarian endanger other people by having drunk a little too much, or should he be helped to avoid that it happens again?
GamblingMan: Looks like the dividend is less than 6% a year!
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 5200 @ 0.00045478 = 2.3649 BTC [+]
OneEyed: Smoovious: yeah, so if you are tired because of the chemo you're taking to fight your cancer, you're fucking with your employer, and he should get rid of you, right?
GamblingMan: I bought some because mircea_popescu claimed it was the highest paying asset on the GLBSE, but it looks like it is actually the lowest....
OneEyed: Because you're not doing your best
OneEyed: You could delay the chemo until your next vacation for example, it's not like you would die tomorrow. Why should it care that you're trying to buy 5 more years of life in 15 years?
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assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.5414 BTC [-]
OneEyed: Smoovious: you wrote "get my best". So I guess you never stay late with friends either, because you could be tired.
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 9 @ 0.5414 = 4.8726 BTC [-]
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assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 28 @ 0.541 = 15.148 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.54 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 2 @ 0.54 = 1.08 BTC [-]
OneEyed: Smoovious: nor eat fat food, they make you think slower because more blood is diverted to the stomach, and less to the brain (true fact)
midnightmagic: OneEyed: That's not a fact. Fats it turns out may be better for humans, including human brains.
OneEyed: midnightmagic: on the long term, yes, not while you're digesting
GamblingMan: So nobody wants to talk about assets in here?
midnightmagic: OneEyed: Also not true, as the insulin spike of even complex carbs is very very bad for you.
midnightmagic: GamblingMan: Didn't you read what the channel founder said? Free-for-all in here.. lol
OneEyed: midnightmagic: are you saying that eating fat food compared to a light meal does not divert blood for digestion?
GamblingMan: Lets free for all talk about Satoshi Dice and how the dividend yesterday sucked ass.
assbot: [GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 3 @ 0.10169999 = 0.3051 BTC [+]
GamblingMan: I want to hear someone's opinion on what happened.
assbot: [GLBSE] [PLATINUM] 3 @ 0.00951003 = 0.0285 BTC [-]
GamblingMan: Is the site dying, was it misrepresented, did the volume of bets drop significantly?
midnightmagic: OneEyed: I'm saying fats crush appetites better than carbs do, and that comparison is a good example of a false analogy.
GamblingMan: Why did the dividend fall to below that of most high yielding assets on the NYSE?
jcpham: SD was and always has been boring
jcpham: as an asset, as a site, and an anything
GamblingMan: They're flooding the market with shares and cutting the hell out of the dividend.
OneEyed: Ok, so eating a big plate of French fries makes you more efficient while you're digesting than eating a salad, right? Can't believe this :)
GamblingMan: Not sure why I thought it wasn't a scam, being listed on the Mpex
midnightmagic: GamblingMan: SatoshiDice is a distributed denial of service attack that the creators have convinced users to do to themselves, while stealing their money, and forcing the users themselves to bloat their own blockchain .dat files. They are exploiting a human cognitive bias to do so, and are therefore evil.
jcpham: mpex isn't a scam as far as i know
jcpham: itake offense to the accusation
OneEyed: GamblingMan: you have everything you need to compute the expected returns yourself, did you do it?
GamblingMan: Turns out that was a horrible financial decision.
midnightmagic: OneEyed: Another false analogy. (french fries vs. salad.) You never said french fries and salad in your original false statement.
GamblingMan: Seems like Satoshi Dice got tired of scamming users and decided to go for shareholders.
midnightmagic: I'm going to go away now. Feel free to get in the last word. Or two.
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.109 = 0.218 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.109 = 0.327 BTC [-]
GamblingMan: copumpkin: Have you ever made 100 best on SD and seen what the actual vs. claimed return is?
OneEyed: GamblingMan: how are they scamming users? Or shareholders?
copumpkin: GamblingMan: nope, but isn't it verifiable on the blockchain? they don't provide their own randomness
copumpkin: GamblingMan: expectation only works over infinite samples
copumpkin: any finite number can deviate arbitrarily far from it
OneEyed: copumpkin: they could inject their own transcations at appropriate places
GamblingMan: Show me 1 independent test that ever gives an above average return with more than 100 bets in the sample.
OneEyed: copumpkin: don't they know the random numbers in advance?
OneEyed: copumpkin: what do you mean? They work from the memory pool, since they work in 0-confirmation mode
copumpkin: so you're seriously telling me "I went to a casino and played for days, and I lost money! mommy mommy they're scamming"
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 2 @ 0.18620001 = 0.3724 BTC [-]
GamblingMan: copumpkin: Only if the casino claimed they repaid 98% and I lost 50% consistently.
GamblingMan: Satoshi Dice is a terrible site to use, terrible company to invest in, and it is listed on a terrible exchange.
OneEyed: GamblingMan: if you send me what is needed to play 100 transactions, I'll do it (one line script) and you'll be able to observe the results
assbot: [GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 3 @ 0.09604001 = 0.2881 BTC [-]
GamblingMan: Their claimed returns for shareholders match their claimed returns to users.
OneEyed: That would be 0.0105*100, or 1.05 BTC if I'm not mistaken
GamblingMan: OneEyed: I've already performed several tests. I know what the result will be.
GamblingMan: If you want to see for yourself that SD is scamming, go ahead and test.
OneEyed: Why would I play a game where the odds are against me,
GamblingMan: Their best claimed return address actuall returns less than 48% consistently in my tests that were performed over a several week period.
assbot: [GLBSE] [RAREEARTH] 10 @ 0.00961001 = 0.0961 BTC [-]
GamblingMan: That is why I figured I'd invest with them.... But then the claimed dividend payment was less than 1/3 of what I was expecting after talking to mircea.
OneEyed: GamblingMan: you should publish your results then, people would be interested in that.
GamblingMan: OneEyed: I tried once. Everyone bashed me and reacted like people did in here when I mentioned it.
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 1 @ 0.18620001 BTC [-]
GamblingMan: I was told that the stated odds "are just guidelines"
GamblingMan: When in fact their guidelines are 100% inflated.
OneEyed: Ohhh, the min bet is 0.001, I thought it was 0.01, so the test could be done with 500 send for .75 BTC
GamblingMan: Stating odds that are misleading and then claiming they're guidelines, is what makes me use the word scammer.
GamblingMan: If you use the address with the highest odds.
GamblingMan: I actually returned an average of 48% through all of my testing...
GamblingMan: Run a test, publish it, and prepare to be flamed.
OneEyed: So you're talking about trying it with 1dice9wVtrKZTBbAZqz1XiTmboYyvpD3t?
OneEyed: Let's do this with 100 x 0.001 runs from 1B7xUkzFcwsaviJQL1XfRJazj4zXC764i7
GamblingMan: What is the stated return on the website for that address?
OneEyed: Shit, transactions not accepted to memory pool, sucker, after some of them. I'll have to wait a bit to get 100 of them
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 300 @ 0.0033 = 0.99 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 3740 @ 0.00045477 = 1.7008 BTC [-]
GamblingMan: Great. I'm expecting your test to return somewhere in the 45-55% range.
assbot: [GLBSE] [RAREEARTH] 10 @ 0.00999999 = 0.1 BTC [+]
OneEyed: Either I'm doing something wrong with SatoshiDice, or something is wrong on their side…
OneEyed: to the 97.9% win address, with an expected gain of 1.004x when I win
OneEyed: And it pays back 0.00050442
mircea_popescu: and it substracts 0.0005 in all cases topay miner fees
OneEyed: I should win almost every time (97.9% of the time)
OneEyed: But ok, the .0005 is deduced
OneEyed: I thought *they* payed it :)
mircea_popescu: OneEyed im not an expert on the entire thing tbh, i just list em.
OneEyed: Yes, makes perfect sense now
mircea_popescu: there's a big ass independent audit thread in btctalk, want me to dig it ?
OneEyed: I'm just checking some claims by GamblingMan
mircea_popescu: those people are significantly more on the ball than i am
OneEyed: And by doing so, I'm probably increasing his future dividends by 1 satoshi or so :)
mircea_popescu: lol i re-read the list, seems to me unlikely he had any shares.
OneEyed: Hence your ognasty remark, makes sense
mircea_popescu: well there was some guy bashing by that name, also off webchat, yest i think
OneEyed: Yes, I was here, using the same IP as OgNasty before
mircea_popescu: but anyway, iirc AAPL paid something like .5% a year last, so
OneEyed: GamblingMan: none, I stopped in the middle and changed the 1dice address in order to diversify the bets, but that should still average the advertised returns
OneEyed: GamblingMan: I gave you the address, you can follow it yourself
OneEyed: 1B7xUkzFcwsaviJQL1XfRJazj4zXC764i7
GamblingMan: I thought you'd post a nice %. I already know what your results will be...
OneEyed: GamblingMan: I wanted you to send me money to do the test
mircea_popescu: what is this, transactional psychology for beginners ?
OneEyed: GamblingMan: one doesn't always get what he wants
OneEyed: GamblingMan: did you deduce the fees?
GamblingMan: No, I pasted your expected return listed above.
OneEyed: GamblingMan: it looks like .0005 are deduced from the gains
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41736 @ 0.00036061 = 15.0504 BTC [+]
GamblingMan: Strange that a site like Satoshi Dice can't figure out how to send transactions with no fees... That is beginner BTC stuff.
mircea_popescu: GamblingMan suppose it doesn't want to send them w/o a fee.
OneEyed: GamblingMan: if he did, they would not be relayed by standard bitcoind, and people would not see the result immediately
assbot: [GLBSE] [GOLD] 5 @ 0.00998999 = 0.0499 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: OneEyed anyway, the system whereby you pay post to me, i pay post to you seems pretty fair.
GamblingMan: mircea_popescu: You claimed in here that SD was the highest yielding asset on the GLBSE.
GamblingMan: It looks more like the lowest to me after seeing the last dividend.
GamblingMan: I've sold off a few thousand shares already this morning.
GamblingMan: I guess I might as well cut my losses now and sell a few thousand more.
GamblingMan: Hopefully they do, looks like I took out the decent bid walls.
OneEyed: GamblingMan: are you using the GLBSE passthrough?
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 300 @ 0.003225 = 0.9675 BTC [-]
OneEyed: GamblingMan: you know that it retains an additional 5% of the dividends, right?
GamblingMan: It would have to retain 80% of the dividends to make the yield even close to acceptable for that valuation.
OneEyed: GamblingMan: so why did you buy in?
GamblingMan: mircea_popescu claimed it was the highest yielding asset.
GamblingMan: now I know that mircea_popescu is 100% full of shit.
GamblingMan: mircea_popescu: you were in here bashing someone for not knowing "GSDPT is the highest yielding asset on GLBSE"
mircea_popescu: well, actually mpoe.etf was for the longest time the highest yielding
mircea_popescu: course from what i hear mpoe.etf is closing down, so too late for that.
GamblingMan: mpoe.etf was NEVER the highest yielding asset.
assbot: !pl <ticker> [<amount>@]<bought at> [<YYYY-MM-DD>]
assbot: Requesting data from GLBSE (might take a while, also might return fishy results as it does not account for splits etc).
GamblingMan: Those types of claims are what make you full of shit.
assbot: MPOE.ETF [1@0.1BTC] paid: 0.02470282 BTC. Last price: 0.3 BTC. Capital gain: 0.2 BTC. Total: 0.22470282 BTC. (224.7%)
mircea_popescu: and i hear it's getting closed out at about 1 or something like that.
OneEyed: Ok, here is my result. I had .15 at this address, I now have .06685859. I placed 80 + 24 bets (104 total), paying .0005 fees every time I sent and every time I won. I expected: .15 - .0015*104 + 80*(.001*.97653*1.04 - .0005*.97653) + 24*(.001*.244141*4.003 - .0005*.244141)
GamblingMan: Anyone can IPO anything at whatever they want and then stop selling cheap shares. I know you're familiar with manipulation.
OneEyed: .py .15 - .0015*104 + 80*(.001*.97653*1.04 - .0005*.97653) + 24*(.001*.244141*4.003 - .0005*.244141)
OneEyed: So I lost less than expected
OneEyed: (not enough to win money though)
GamblingMan: You should have stuck with the original test, but I assume after losing a few dozen times in a row using the 98% address, you gave up. ;)
OneEyed: No, I was already above the expectation. You can check itself, I've done no other transaction on this address
OneEyed: I will not, in order to spend the last 0.05 I have there :)
rdponticelli: I meant MPOE.ETF... Anyway, do you know if smickles allow to redeem the shares for S.M?POE
mircea_popescu: at this point im torn whether to ignore the idiot or keep him on for amusement purposes.
mircea_popescu: GamblingMan your input wasn't really solicited in the matter.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3064 @ 0.00036061 = 1.1049 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11574 @ 0.00036061 = 4.1737 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4918 @ 0.00035964 = 1.7687 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20444 @ 0.00035946 = 7.3488 BTC [-]
gribble: Best bid: 12.72, Best ask: 12.8, Bid-ask spread: 0.08000, Last trade: 12.8, 24 hour volume: 34946, 24 hour low: 12.55, 24 hour high: 12.8999
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 700 @ 0.003225 = 2.2575 BTC [-]
GamblingMan: Sucks to take a loss on this crap, but it is what a deserve for funneling money to Mpex.
OneEyed: Shit, I managed to increase the balance while trying to empty it :)
GamblingMan: You can probably buy a few thousand shares.
OneEyed: GamblingMan: I won't, you told me it was a bad deal :)
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 5 @ 0.003201 = 0.016 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 36 @ 0.1091 = 3.9276 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 64 @ 0.109 = 6.976 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 38 @ 0.0032 = 0.1216 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 100 @ 0.0032 = 0.32 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: it boggles me. do you actually think causing further panic on glbse hurts me somehow ?!
GamblingMan: OneEyed: Only an 80% loss? You're rocking that 98% address. lol
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 69 @ 0.0032 = 0.2208 BTC [-]
OneEyed: GamblingMan: you're kidding? I started with 0.15, 0.05 being for the fees!
assbot: [GLBSE] [YARR] 1 @ 1 BTC [+]
OneEyed: I played 128 games so far, with 0.0005 in fees every time
OneEyed: And 0.0005 deduced from every win
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 69 @ 0.0032 = 0.2208 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 69 @ 0.0032 = 0.2208 BTC [-]
OneEyed: I have more than the original 0.15 amount minus the fees
mircea_popescu: really tho, if it were up to me i'd make the fee larger.
mircea_popescu: there's really little benefit in all the btcdust transactions
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 69 @ 0.0032 = 0.2208 BTC [-]
GamblingMan: I agree. At least a higher fee would benefit mining pool owners.
OneEyed: GamblingMan: but I've no doubt I'll loose everything, but right now, my returns are more than 100% if you remove the fees (which were high because I chose to start with .001 + .0005 of fees)
assbot: [GLBSE] [CBGB] 2 @ 0.48 = 0.96 BTC [-]
OneEyed: So if the game is flawed, it's biased towards me right now, I guess that's why you get low dividends :)
OneEyed: Ok, now let's lose those .9 for good
gribble: usagi was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 hours, 40 minutes, and 29 seconds ago: <usagi> I can bounce back but it would really piss me off
GamblingMan: Why would usagi bouncing back piss him off?
mircea_popescu: OneEyed actually they did have a shit month, about half down from statistical expectation
GamblingMan: I have a feeling that next month will be even shittier. ;)
mircea_popescu: i remember even a decade ago, the shills were a lot better.
GamblingMan: Same shill from 2 decades ago right here. ;)
mircea_popescu: GamblingMan if you were someone, as opposed to random anon you could prolyl borrow shares and sell them for your bet.
GamblingMan: Why would I want to pay interest to own shitty shares?
GamblingMan: I expect the interest on borrowing would be higher than the dividends.
GamblingMan: I'm not a finance expert if that is what you're asking.
GamblingMan: I'm just a guy with a shit ton of BTC and was looking to put some of it to work.
OneEyed: Yeah, I ended up with 1 satoshi on this address
GamblingMan: So let me ask you this mircea_popescu: What is the worst investment I could make on the GLBSE?
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 69 @ 0.0032 = 0.2208 BTC [-]
GamblingMan: C'mon. I really would like to buy the worst asset in your opinion and track the results of it vs. SD
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 69 @ 0.0032 = 0.2208 BTC [-]
GamblingMan: I guess he doesn't like giving investment advice now?
GamblingMan: He was quick to recommend Satoshi Dice before...
GamblingMan: Now I can't even get a crap recommendation...
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 69 @ 0.0032 = 0.2208 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 69 @ 0.0032 = 0.2208 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 69 @ 0.0032 = 0.2208 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 69 @ 0.0032 = 0.2208 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 69 @ 0.0032 = 0.2208 BTC [-]
rg: [14:06] <GamblingMan> So let me ask you this mircea_popescu: What is the worst investment I could make on the GLBSE?
rg: probably a dead asset..
jurov: lol, like mircea's biggest expert on glbse :)
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 69 @ 0.0032 = 0.2208 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23856 @ 0.00035946 = 8.5753 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24100 @ 0.00035943 = 8.6623 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11544 @ 0.00035922 = 4.1468 BTC [-]
PsychoticBoy: mircea dont act like glbse lists only scams and death assets to make mpex look good, its not cool
jurov: GamblingMan.. and what do you guess about me?
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITCOINTORRENTZ] 2 @ 0.35 = 0.7 BTC [+]
jurov: you can visit coinbr.com to improve your guess
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 69 @ 0.0032 = 0.2208 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [MOVETO.FUND] 1 @ 0.57000001 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [MOVETO.FUND] 1 @ 0.57 BTC [-]
jurov: it's pretty much nicely explained on it
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 69 @ 0.0032 = 0.2208 BTC [-]
jurov: i'd like to know what would you say about GamblingMan, if you forgot that was you
jurov: yes. and i'm too lazy to open it.. am not alone it sems
assbot: [GLBSE] [JLP-BMD] 1 @ 0.07110001 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [JLP-BMD] 35 @ 0.0711 = 2.4885 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 69 @ 0.0032 = 0.2208 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 53 @ 0.0032 = 0.1696 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.53999999 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BMMO] 1 @ 0.03980004 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BMMO] 1 @ 0.0398 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [JLP-BMD] 21 @ 0.0711 = 1.4931 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [JLP-BMD] 15 @ 0.071 = 1.065 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [M.ETF] 1 @ 0.103992 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [CPA] 1 @ 0.01999999 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [CPA] 1 @ 0.02 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [CPA] 1 @ 0.021 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [CPA] 1 @ 0.022 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [CPA] 1 @ 0.023 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [CPA] 1 @ 0.025 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [CPA] 1 @ 0.026 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [CPA] 1 @ 0.027 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [M.ETF] 13 @ 0.051 = 0.663 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 1 @ 0.21089998 BTC [+]
chmod755: [GLBSE] [MIRCEAPOPESCU] 10 @ 0.021 = 0.21 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 1160 @ 0.00045477 = 0.5275 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NASTY] 1 @ 0.4899 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NASTY] 2 @ 0.49 = 0.98 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 69 @ 0.0032 = 0.2208 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 1 @ 0.07488989 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 1 @ 0.0748899 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 12 @ 0.07856 = 0.9427 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 2 @ 0.54 = 1.08 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.00898799 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 3 @ 0.008988 = 0.027 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 15 @ 0.0089979 = 0.135 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 20 @ 0.008998 = 0.18 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 100 @ 0.009 = 0.9 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 3 @ 0.00998 = 0.0299 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 14 @ 0.01 = 0.14 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63900 @ 0.00036106 = 23.0717 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2389 @ 0.00036124 = 0.863 BTC [+]
femtotube: How can this usagi delete posts from his forum thread?
kakobrekla: why do you people keep switching your nicknames
Diablo-D3: smickles: sorry, I have to turn you down on your accounting offer
Diablo-D3: smickles: I think Im just going to continue buying back DMC until theres none left
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: they execute people over there for using tor
Ignatius-otc: is there anything in the works to bring in new assets to mpex, or are you just letting that take care of itself?
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 1440 @ 0.00045477 = 0.6549 BTC [-]
OneEyed: mircea_popescu: s^Kludge^Kluge, s^ideea^idea
OneEyed: Maybe s^financial business^financial instrument
mircea_popescu: and took out the business altogether. a financial. we can noun
OneEyed: Fuck your link to David Thorne site, last time I landed there I spent two hours reading it
femtotube: "mircea_popescu | everyone can delete their own posts " no, he ask forum mods to delete users questions from the form threads he has started
OneEyed: femtotube: that's what I was asking earlier today, since it looked like some of the girl posts had been removed, I wondered if it was self-control or moderation
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 1 @ 0.0748899 BTC [+]
OneEyed: Oops, was directed to mircea_popescu
femtotube: hold on, my mistake I looked at the wrong url :)
mircea_popescu: lol just because the nitwit deletes her content in a quote she makes
Ignatius-otc: mircea_popescu, is there anything in the works to bring in new assets to mpex, or are you just letting that take care of itself?
femtotube: huh... I almost thought that mods are gone mad too. Sorry
mircea_popescu: Ignatius-bot there's a lot in the works, but these are finnicky things to do even when you're not working in btc
mircea_popescu: my main focus is getting futures with delivery listed atm. which is... impossible, pretty much.
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 23 @ 0.1099998 = 2.53 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 82 @ 0.11 = 9.02 BTC [+]
OneEyed: New stuff about bitcoinica in #bitcoin-otc: phantomcircuit | as far as i can tell now bitcoinica has not ever been able to cover it's obligations
OneEyed: phantomcircuit | and tihan seale aka wendon group has not EVER put funds into the business despite phantomcircuit | and tihan seale aka wendon group has not EVER put funds into the business despite repeatedly saying he has
jcpham: that bitcoinica was insolvent at the moment the consultancy took control
OneEyed: Well, I guess phantomcircuit is quite a good source
OneEyed: mircea_popescu: I haven't read it before
mircea_popescu: the reason tihan got involved was simply that zhou was bleeding equity
OneEyed: But I have never even used bitcoinca, so it was more like yet another movie to me
pigeons: mircea_popescu: oh so you're working on a system where users can take delivery or provide hash power for the contracts?
mircea_popescu: no. i am working on a system where users can pay bitcoin and take WTI
pigeons: good, keep it as a bucket shop ;)
mircea_popescu: light sweet crude. or whatever, really, as long as it's settled physically.
mircea_popescu: this will be the driver making bitcoin cross the 1k usd barrier : when people finally figure out they can settle intl trade in commodities anon.
OneEyed: mircea_popescu: I just realized that on your post, you don't answer the "how does one list on mpex". Shouldn't you at least give an email to use to propose you a new asset for MPEX?
dub: femtotube: can you show us a fixed mh mining bond that does have actual hardware hashing?
mircea_popescu: if they can;t find the email / irc in the faq im too beelitist for them.
OneEyed: mircea_popescu: so this is more "What can be listed on MPEX?", not "How does one list on MPEX?".
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13911 @ 0.00036124 = 5.0252 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15589 @ 0.00036128 = 5.632 BTC [+]
dub: mircea_popescu: gig has under half of the 200gh he has issued
mircea_popescu: i thought he had about 40% in gpus and about 90% in fpga ?
dub: I think bob and others have had an extra hard week buying off SR
dub: crack cocain is a helluva drug
dub: mircea_popescu: no, its pgas
dub: well theres a few gpus in there
mircea_popescu: no listen. there's the one you linked. old one. and there's this new one
dub: thats still only 150gh total
dub: he has admitted this in the forum
dub: has YABMC ever shown evidense of having hashign to back it, beyond 'imsaguy has a farm'
mircea_popescu: SUMMARY 51,231.88 + 99 so i guess you're right, like 150k
mircea_popescu: still, 150k + the 4 rigs he has on order, i'd say it's pretty decent
dub: its been a lot less too
dub: my point that for most bonds its only ever been loosely implied that there is hashing backing them
dub: and there is no way to tell or reason to care
mircea_popescu: dub there's reason to care. way to tell is a little complex.
dub: I guess theres the implication that someone with a large farm is likely to continue having bitcoins
mircea_popescu: dub mh bonds w/o a farm are like usagi insurance : they work great unless they become useful (ie, diff drops)
dub: but the contracts are quite clear, its not even suggested that the dividends come from mined coins
mircea_popescu: in wehich case chain-of-default and "who would have thought of this"
dub: imo it takes teh same level of idiocy to assume mining bonds have hashing and that usagi has the money to actually insure shit
dub: the trust in mining bonds came from the issuers reputation
Ignatius-otc: I always assuemd usagi could payout. I contacted him about insuring an asset and was told I could be covered for every bitcent I deposited into the insurance plan...thats not ins;)
dub: Ignatius-otc: its great that he told you stuff but seriously..
Ignatius-otc: no, dub, I mean he only offered to cover what was paid in. real insurance does not work quite like that
dub: why did you assume in the first place that this random person with no reputation, that cant even decide on the sex of the internet personal it projects, would do anything it said it would
Ignatius-otc: large asset issuer, plenty of people who claim he is trustworthy
Ignatius-otc: I wanted to issue my own asset on glbse so I contacted several current issuers including usagi. I saw he ran CPA so I inquired about insuring my asset for shareholder benefit. Nothing ever came of it
dub: this is really the root of the problem
Ignatius-otc: At the time I even mentioned to him it would be beneficial if the insurer defaulted and my asset didnt, should have added some credibility;)
dub: scammer can simply creat a lot of 'companies' and people magically assign trust
Ignatius-otc: you act as if the guy didnt hang around for months paying out divs normally
Ignatius-otc: was that directed at me dub? I havent owned his assets but nyans paid out fine?
dub: nyans have been around for months?
Ignatius-otc: so you are saying usagi does not have any assets which are odler than 3 months and have paid out divs consistently?
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.54 BTC [+]
Ignatius-otc: I thought he did, a minign turd at the least? If not nevermind my apologies
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 1 @ 0.21 BTC [-]
dub: its cool that GLBSE doesnt list the date an asset was created
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35811 @ 0.00036128 = 12.9378 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12073 @ 0.00036159 = 4.3655 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.54 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.5562 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 2 @ 0.5598 = 1.1196 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 1 @ 0.2 BTC [-]
Ignatius-otc: I give up, I spent some time searching the forums but fail to find an asset meeting my criteria, lawl
dub: I'd GTFO GLBSE if you still can tbh
Ignatius-otc: I pulled out awhile ago:( I tried really hard to make it work there but couldnt do so.
dub: hard to have faith in assets issued on a scam exchange
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 1 @ 0.19 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 1 @ 0.19000001 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1day: 0.00035922 / 0.00036301 / 0.00037006 (1917311 shares, 696.02 BTC), 30day: 0.00034 / 0.00038901 / 0.00042 (64296880 shares, 25,012.49 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 3900 @ 0.00045476 = 1.7736 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PIMP] 1 @ 0.08999999 BTC [+]