asciilifeform: and oh hey missed http://qntra.net/2019/08/imperial-anti-v-unveiled-eat-more-star-topology/

asciilifeform: *star-topology

asciilifeform: 'force'em into star topology'

asciilifeform: i still have a dark suspicion that actually changing the logic like this could eventually result in a 'star topology' around a miner

asciilifeform: this was asciilifeform's 'intro course' to inca/star topology/etc.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sicily didn't much care for il duce's 'star topology' nonsense. hence 'german orders' not 'men of honour'

asciilifeform: trinque: i'll admit that i dun really buy the 'pushing' angle. if anything it's the mcdonaldizers and walmartizers, star topology creators, who create the demand for opiums

asciilifeform: ( observe that for hole punching, the 'server' does not need to be a heavy duty box that sits as 'star topology apex', but can be any of one or more boxes among the nodes themselves , at a particular time, with external ip. ) ☟︎☟︎

asciilifeform: ( to nitpick, yes the heathens have a scenario where it still does something, where everybody has 'star topology' 'wot' consisting of the greatinca. but to call this 'meaningful' is a stretch. )

asciilifeform: my objection is that the star topology does not go away by virtue of being called something else. you have a class of fully-capable nodes, S, that can accept unsolicited pipes; and a much larger class of P ( lessay, peons ), behind NAT, who cannot. ergo stars.

asciilifeform: so the star topology is still there.

asciilifeform: games connect to an un-natted central (star topology) box

asciilifeform: hey, beelzebub burned the great-inca-star-topology into his bios in the womb

asciilifeform: aaha. ye olde star topology, is the goal. all interactions via Great Inca strictly.

asciilifeform: ( ideally this won't end up a star topology around this 1 poor box !! )

asciilifeform: on read directly from LPC out of band to an attacker, e.g. over Bluetooth... In a nutshell, LPC Guard™ converts the traditional monolithic shared LPC bus topology into a pseudo-star topology, then masks sensitive data transmissions involving a single peripheral from all remaining peripherals on the bus. The bus control device central to this technology is securely connected to the LPC master onboard the CPU or southbridge device, w

asciilifeform: !#s star topology

asciilifeform: it's the only stratagem the inca is capable of: the 'star topology'

asciilifeform: they gotta impose the star topology.

asciilifeform: and eventually devolves to the usual 'star topology'.

asciilifeform: folks who do not fall into one of these clans, end up in the inca's star topology and get raped.

asciilifeform: star topology.

asciilifeform: and that the star topology of telecom - is enforced.

asciilifeform: this forces a star topology.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: incompatible with 'star topology' !!!

asciilifeform: my understanding is that mircea_popescu sees the difference as a 'balls', 'blood & iron' matter of personal courage. whereas it is slightly gnarlier, pashtun has his family->clan->tribe healthy human thing going, eskimo likewise, usian - has the 'star topology' with the Great Inca at the center and ~nothing else~ but own sorry carcass.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there's no such actual thing as flatgraph - only star topology with thinly disguised star.