assbot: Logged on 03-03-2016 19:05:18; pete_dushenski:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2016#1420808 << i took in the alberta ballet's nutcracker in december, which is the local company. there were no more than 3 of the cast who could actually dance. the rest were trying to 'fake it till you make it', which drove me up the wall, particularly when the mouth-breathing audience took it upon themselves to give the sorry lot a standing o.
mircea_popescu: they had the unmitigated audacity to leave envelopes on the tables, "thanks for halping us continue with our art"
mircea_popescu: i crossed out art and wrote in "you stink" and "get a job", but something tells me they won't take this to heart and execute it exactly
mircea_popescu: just like any other derp/redditard to whom i give key life advice.
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assbot: Logged on 03-03-2016 19:06:28; *: trinque has dated two ballerinas
assbot: Logged on 03-03-2016 19:39:39; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, in particular, seems to understand this principle very well.
mircea_popescu: people other than orwell, who unlike orwell had sex and mattered in the world.
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mircea_popescu: in other news - hilary apparently attacked trump, and with a total loser speech. it's all over, he's winning
mircea_popescu: seriously, not time to make america great again, it never ceased being great, gotta unite it more ? bitch, you lose. you lose so badly... jesus.
mircea_popescu: i don't recall when's the last time a democrat was so culturally inept. maybe carter.
assbot: Logged on 03-03-2016 20:15:01; ben_vulpes: while "there's nothing wrong with addr reuse" made sense once upon a time, the new regime is that "tell people where you're sleeping, and they'll come murder you there".
assbot: Logged on 03-03-2016 20:46:35; asciilifeform: i eventually put back the heathen bios on the x60, BUT i ida'd it and nop'd out the imbecile nic whitelist
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> in other news - hilary apparently attacked trump, and with a total loser speech. it's all over, he's winning << It was Romney, but really no diff
mircea_popescu: in other news, they have these guts-of-figs with almods or other nuts on top sweets here. utterly delicious with a glass of vermouth
☟︎ BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Romney attacked Trump and offered brokered convention as a solution in his speech
BingoBoingo: i.e. Let Trump win a plurality but not majority of delegates
mircea_popescu: anyway, trump got 7, next ghuy what, 3 ? 4 ? it's all over. i hope to hell he a) fails to get enough delegates and then b) spits in their faces re "brokered convention" and then c) starts his OWN party on pretty much a platform of "fuck the republicans and what are these democrats supposed to even be ?"
mircea_popescu: ideally the republican party should end by being spit in the face by "an outlier" and never recovering from it. best thing for them.
BingoBoingo: Well, the writing's on the wall for that except for the part about such a fate being MP-esque, I mean Donald Trump-Clinton is a serial scammer.
mircea_popescu: but for a better man, the correct strategy is exactly this.
mircea_popescu: besides, the us is just about ripe for a peron of its own
BingoBoingo: This is really the fatal flaw in the whole voting business. All politicans get habituated to lying, scamming, and under delivering but these these outsiders like Donald Trump-Clinton beat them at their game because they practiced those things without the rest of the circle jerk more openly and more criminally.
mircea_popescu: (ie, Partido Justicialista Because Fuck Republicans And What The Fuck Are These Democrats Even Supposed To Be)
mircea_popescu: first party in history with a double fuck in the full name.
mircea_popescu: and that only because it abstains from discussing the economy.
BingoBoingo would just prefer a more honest wrecker to do the parting
mircea_popescu: and speaking of the us and its future - so macri's been in power for a few weeks now, the peronistas (ie, criminal-socialist party) kept hewing and hawing about how they'll bring the street power to bear. today they finally called out a demonstration, it was on all the news outlet. deeply zoomed in, it looked almost like a thing. but zoomed out, it was ~50 to 100 people in a yellow box "blocking traffic". all the plaza
mircea_popescu: de mayo wide the fuck open, more police than protestors, 50 miles of fence and 300 yards of protestor perimeter.
mircea_popescu: an utter humiliation, i have no idea why the fuck they even did it. but it's quite clear that without the cona house they got ~nothing.
mircea_popescu: so macri's here to stay, and the country's definitely going on sale. staples prices already up ~50 to maybe 100%, salaries frozen, all bureaucrats discussing in hushed tones their fears of which jobs will be cut... it's a pleasure.
mircea_popescu: oh wait, they sold the corn earlier. they're definitely starving.
BingoBoingo wondering if much of the US is even planting corn this year
mircea_popescu: well the us has the advantage that the people contain enough food for ~decade, give or take.
mircea_popescu: and besides, since they ended canada's oil boom with their inept russian embargo shenanigans, the great farmland to the north can get back to agriculture. great obama-hruschev common single planning organ success!
BingoBoingo: lol pete_dushenski and nubbins' in two dog land have to dust off their hos
mircea_popescu: actually, for the interested us scholar, the history of the comecom should be read carefully. it's not merely informative, but will be quite predictive.
assbot: Logged on 25-03-2014 20:55:09; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: reminds me of, in reverse: '...Идет пленум ЦК, Генеральный секретарь читает доклад: Больших успехов достигли хлеборобы Кубанщины, Ставропольщины, Смоленщины, Техасщины, Колорадщины.'
assbot: Logged on 03-03-2016 13:18:23; asciilifeform: the cockroaches, mice, and rats, have come to genuinely believe that they own the house.
mircea_popescu: and these imbecile stallmans of a new generation, encouraging this nonsense. pfff.
assbot: Logged on 04-03-2016 00:49:41; mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2016#1421236 << fancy that, i've just been to an incredibly shitty "super hip" bar here. nice tall ceilings, that the idiots took to defending against with some inept iron grating to make the seats all boxed in. live band, so fucking bad it had more in common with static noise than music.
mircea_popescu: the audience took me back 20 years. back in mid 90s, there was this bar in cluj, mostly favoured by highschooler chicks that were just mediocre but liked to think themsleves special.
ben_vulpes: remember that, asciilifeform ? we had more or less the whole upstairs to ourselves?
mircea_popescu: they went there to overdemonstratively socialise and pretend like they're drunk and please grab my teat.
mircea_popescu: except these bovines would have counted as lamers in that ~lame set.
ben_vulpes: i do admire the stairs-barely-bolted-to-the-wall argentine asthetic
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: link to clitler speach?
assbot: Logged on 04-03-2016 01:23:57; mircea_popescu: in other news, they have these guts-of-figs with almods or other nuts on top sweets here. utterly delicious with a glass of vermouth
mircea_popescu: this year in us election, an ogre runt and a quail on lsd.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: what is the 'comecon'?
mircea_popescu: anyway, did the argentinos hallucinate the story ? never happened ?
mircea_popescu: gotta say i like the language. the derps are fucking useless - saw a fucktard SLEEPING IN THE SHOP today, banned the shop - but check out "envalentonada".
ben_vulpes: look i'm always down to see people humiliate themselves or be humiliated but the acres of derping around before the hammer comes down isn't edging its just fucking boring
mircea_popescu: i thought he was ~headed for jail. except you know, "tough on crime" beeeeeehehehehe towelhead forgot the keys to the toughness vault or something.
mircea_popescu: what's his name, polly-wanna-baccarat or whatever the fuck.
BingoBoingo still rather convinced Hillary rodham-clinton and donald trump-clinton are colluding
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo incidentally - imagine the fucking ratings once trump turns the white house into a nbc studio
BingoBoingo also kinda thought this just Trump juicing his ratings after NBC canned his struggling show
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mircea_popescu: anyway, needless to say the argentine press utterly hates trump. "o noes, male with an ego! hilary is for kids and women! NO UNA MENOS!!!1 herpderp"
mod6 just caught up on logs
mod6: lol @ PJBFRAWTFATDESTB
BingoBoingo: They both have the same clinton ethical disorder
cazalla: i'd vote for Trump, just for sport
cazalla: get a job help building that wall as well
BingoBoingo: Nah, prolly doing my sport voting for rubio or cruz in order to do my part for the brokered convention outcome
cazalla: how was your winter? i just pulled the rest of the tomatoes out this morning, tfw no more summer and winter is coming
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, romanians have been trading votes for years now. go in there with your smartphone, take pic of vote and id card, get 30 lei or w/e
☟︎ BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I refuse to vote for a clinton so no, can't vote for hairday guy
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> vote for Vermin!11 << This general election course of action
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform obviously you could take as many pics as payers. but in spite of the ridoinculousness, the nonsense provably works.
mircea_popescu: compare the counties where scheme was implemented (it's always done by the "local barons", not a central thing) with the counties where it isn't.
assbot: The layman’s guide to salvaging bitcoins in the era of Chicom miner monopoly. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... (
http://bit.ly/1VUfIYQ )
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: user can't send tx because blackholed for using verboten tmsr service, let's say. user exports privkey from wallet, imports to bc.info, sends coins to new wallet and continues on his merry way.
pete_dushenski: issues may arise if coins are sent to 'wiped' address on throw-away bc.info wallet. thus, my response
assbot: Logged on 02-03-2016 22:56:04; pete_dushenski: if i may summarise the last 24 hours of logs, which i must say were eminently enjoyable save the lack of practical recourse discussed : bitcoin remains the world's worst payment network... except for all the others. and even still, not by much.
mircea_popescu: so you meet a shady guy in a bar, and he shows you an address with 10 btc in it, and gives you the privkey in exchange of taking the lady in the back alley half-n-half.
mircea_popescu: the lady side aside, do you think this is a sensible deal ?
pete_dushenski: but if no more coins are sent to the shared privkey, then all's kosher, neh ?
mircea_popescu: it's not kosher, it's a race as to who can spend first, and you're hoping the lady's good enough to keep him busy long enough for you to get to a wifi ?
mircea_popescu: which i suppose works ok in this extemporaneous prostitution scenario, but pretty much nowhere else.
pete_dushenski: because it's then a throwaway intermediary. and yes, hoping that bc.info doesn't spend same coins in same 10 minutes is the risk.
mircea_popescu: well... what happens if the tx is not included in a block ?
punkman: where the hell does bc.info come in and why
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: then user is fucked because he's now shared privkeys and ~still~ has no way of transacting lol
pete_dushenski: one that seems to get tx included in blocks, i might add
punkman: pete_dushenski: I read the blog post, didn't make sense
mircea_popescu: basically, the most charitable read of the thing i can come up with is, "if you find your own wallet unable to transact - try move the privkey to a webwallet, maybe it works there".
punkman: but stuck coinz don't get unstuck because you moved priv keys
mircea_popescu: no, but you can now bitch at vc derps and post on reddit.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform somethinglike that. given that his guide announces itself as "opportunistic smalltimer defense", it's not necessarily wrong.
punkman: I try to keep in mind: "network might be down for a year, can you live with that"
punkman: is this a bastardized mp quote? can't recall the source
mircea_popescu: i'll gladly take the credit if it saves you the time to search for sauce.
punkman: imgur videos are the worst with noscript. I click+delete the flash placeholder, allow the mp4, it reloads, then I allow the webm and maybe it start playing
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> like short circuit in electronics. << For live examples see brainwallets
BingoBoingo: Who can spend inputs first when they arrive
BingoBoingo: Oh no, I mean enough people have keys for many brainwallets so anytime they recieve coins it is off to the races for at least tens of scrapers
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BingoBoingo: Yes, I mean the actual in the wild phenomenon
cazalla: i dunno how you stomach it BingoBoingo, one of your fold mold comments on /r/bitcoin i think it was made me gag
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> ~the~ iq test. << "variant thought" and iq are at best orthogonal.
BingoBoingo: This is becoming a problem even for me, did I write that thing I just came across or not
cazalla: doesn't read like previous ones of yours i've read, so i guess no
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assbot: New extremism guidelines require schools to report suspect behaviour | Australia news | The Guardian ... (
http://bit.ly/21LA6yV )
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felipelalli: ben_vulpes, yes, I have my photo in there.
felipelalli: ben_vulpes, but I didn't understand the relation.
trinque: asciilifeform │ this whole thing is 'ukranian space program' - 'we'll fly to the sun! at night!' << bahahaha dear god my sides
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punkman: "They are giving us 90 days paid working notice, one-month severance, and $2500 in money for retraining."
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assbot: Logged on 24-02-2016 23:24:36; mircea_popescu: over the dead bodies of ranchers
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mircea_popescu: punkman> "They are giving us 90 days paid working notice, one-month severance, and $2500 in money for retraining." <<< pretty generous.
mircea_popescu: TomServo>
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2016#1414960 << Any suggested reading on this topic? << mid 1800s, galveston was the world's cotton center. by the 1900s, dallas had overtaken it as the center of texas. lots of discussion of this change that's emblematic from a more general shift from "midwest = great american desert" to "we built some pumps and whatnot, let's farm and raise cattle" to "holy shit
☝︎ assbot: Logged on 24-02-2016 23:24:36; mircea_popescu: over the dead bodies of ranchers
mircea_popescu: oil!" to, finally, "flyover country". not entirely sure who'd be the indicated canon on the topic. as everything else to do with culture, starting with the great "american" novel and ending with the great "american" dictionary, the us has failed to produce usable works. maybe one day a gibbon is born in kenya or wherever and writes its history.
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davout: I started looking into how bitmex's engine actually works, and god, it's an abomination
☟︎ assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44700 @ 0.00055888 = 24.9819 BTC [-] {4}
davout: kindof reads to me like "ohai, we're offering x100 leverage, but because we can't be sure to liquidate positions properly, we spread losses on everyone who actually made a profit"
davout: in other words: "spreading works"
davout: therefore, echo "bitmex" > niggers.txt
davout: it's their documentation
mircea_popescu: heh. also this sounds exactly like icbit / bitfinex. same people ?
davout: so basically you can actually use high leverage, except it doesn't quite work so well when you win, because it doesn't work very well when you lose
davout: reddit dude sums it up nicely "Even though every contract has a counterpart, think of whole thing conceptually as being somewhat pooled with no specific counterparty and the winning traders jointly as bagholders of last resort."
davout: Bagholders. Of last resort.
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davout: "A weird exchange nobody really trades on, Orderbook.net, has run into some trouble with the CFTC."
thestringpuller: i remember when MP exposed them as a scam way back in 2012
kakobrekla: davout if the fork (say 'classic') happens, is paymium expected to stay on the current blocks ?
kakobrekla: you will have two separate trading markets ?
davout: tbh i don't know, what i know is that there won't be any bullshit like "oh btw, withdrawals on chain [A|B] are deprecated"
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PeterL: With bitbet doublesending the Jeb Bush bet, are they going to have to take out a bridge loan from MPIF again?
PeterL: And is that going to be classified under "advertising expenses" since it got the bitbet name out in a bunch of media?
jurov: i believe it should be budgeted to security or R&D dept... who ever seen marketing monkeys to meddle with technology so
jurov: or actually... as the whole thing was about bitcoin protocol enforcement, law dept would be prolly best choice.
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jurov: *legal dept, i mean
jurov: and there is likely also no-such-dept. involved
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mircea_popescu: "we've had some no such expenses this month somehow related to the bitcoin protocol of the future's many advantages which can not be specified for guess why reasons."
mircea_popescu: skate/stake/steak/on the take etc bla bla, enough rhymes in there for a full rap album.
mircea_popescu: in other news, according to reddit i am by far the bitcoiner most likely to have a collection of human body parts in my fridge.
mircea_popescu: depending on the exact definition of "human body parts" you use, i will grant that this is actually the case.
mircea_popescu: lol are you subverting the kolhoz for counter-party activities ?
mircea_popescu: you should start wearing round glasses and a pickaxe hole in the temple already.
assbot: Logged on 04-03-2016 16:41:20; mircea_popescu: "no such dept" not even a half-bad idea.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo should i do a small piece on argentina or really too far off scope ?
mircea_popescu: see, this is exactly what i'm asking him : if you should be allowed to continue in this childhood delusion :)
mircea_popescu: shinohai i don't get it, person should go through 1-200ish gallons of water a year, every year. what's the problem there ?
mircea_popescu: you know, if you meet two retarded teenagers cca 2004, it doesn't mean "britni is everywhere".
mircea_popescu: retardation belongs to no-one, even if it is always and perpetually the exact same.
shinohai: I guess the point being she is adamant that fluid is the reason she is fat, and not the 28 BigMacs she consumes for lunch daily.
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mircea_popescu: and we can say jack shit about it - because guess what ? phuctor still down.
mircea_popescu: this has been a perfect case of typically lispian self-sabotage, for the record.
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mircea_popescu: not a comment on the language - a comment on the mentality. "oh this box is not good". fine. "oh this other box is not yet ready". fine. whatever all this may mean in the ideal world of ideals, what it means in practice is that - never happened.
mircea_popescu: you gotta re-doi the overlay on the header tho, i can see the edges and a nose/hairline of a guy in the irght
danielpbarron: btw, that guy on the right is Birdman of Eulora infamy
danielpbarron: dealing poker at porcfest; that picture was taken in the morning near the end of an all-night game
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assbot: I no longer understand my PhD dissertation (and what this means for Mathematics Education) — Medium ... (
http://bit.ly/1OViU0P )
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mircea_popescu: new party line i guess. proactively closing the uni financing gap and all that.
mircea_popescu: something else other than the uni-money pump can't be sustained anymore ? why ?
mircea_popescu: oh in somewaht lulzy news : obama is going to be in argentina 23-24th. he (and his 850 camp followers) is however not going to stay in buenos aires, but some far flung provincial shithole. either because afraid of running into me on corrientes, or else because petrified of LEFT WING PROTESTS.
mircea_popescu: cuz yeah, the socialists here more or less ready to firebomb the socialists from there.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform much like soviet economy endgame, stuff isn't being replaced. simply removed.
mircea_popescu: why ? currently the harvard/mit/etc hedge funds masquerading as universities are pretty much the largest problem on fed's map.
mircea_popescu: oh, this isn't about math. this is about stem. stem costs TURKEY dollars.
PeterL: isn't the "m" in "stem" math?
mircea_popescu: you can replace the ~100 trn worth ivy league & friends that do a 10-20 bn spending on actual hardware each year and otherwise shuffle paper on the exchanges with a new-and-improved thing worth ~1-2 bn that spends 50 bucks on mcdonalsa a year.
mircea_popescu: that's 100 trn in air bubble to breathe while the dod keeps losing trucks nominally full of trucks that were fully loaded with trucks.
mircea_popescu: specifically : while the universities may well be pushing costs down as you describe, they're sure as fuck noty passing the savings up the chain to comecon.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: notably enough : romania told the soviets to shut it, and as a result the policy was updated to allow people (ie, romania) to do w/e it pleases.
mircea_popescu: curious if any of the loser satellites will succeed, or for that matter try, something similar.
mircea_popescu: (but now we know what the "protests" were for. softening - in preparation of this.)
mircea_popescu: you know what the eu cyclotron cost ? you know, that thing the us could never afford ?
assbot: Logged on 04-03-2016 18:20:51; mircea_popescu: specifically : while the universities may well be pushing costs down as you describe, they're sure as fuck noty passing the savings up the chain to comecon.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it looks like, mit still is the hedge fund it was, whether it spends x on wage and y on fixed/capital goods or just x/2 on wage and epsilon on f/c
mircea_popescu: the savings show in mit's bottom line, not in the fed's.
mircea_popescu: it is NOT a usg crown hedgefund anymore than romania was a soviet property.
mircea_popescu: it has its own head. and this is a serious problem for the pretense of central planning, because they effectively suck down resources.
mircea_popescu: try having children sometime, and then give them money, and then see what happens.
mircea_popescu: i don't think any human being in the history of this "man-woman family" idiocy has EVER heard "sure dad, go ahead, it's your money anyway"
mircea_popescu: ironically, sultans and other practitioners of "man-slavegirls-theirlitter family" did and regularly do hear such, for reasons that should be obvious and for which reason they're never discussed in idiocy-land.
PeterL: The chemistry building where I went to college sits adjacent to the "National superconducting cyclotron", they were in the process of building the "facility for rare isotope beams" when I graduated
mircea_popescu: PeterL how much does that sorta thing cost ? you know ?
PeterL: I dunno, bunches of dollars?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform is what i'm saying here making sense to you ?
mircea_popescu: because the cyclotron building either works or does not. and they can't lie about the latter.
mircea_popescu: not that. "National superconducting cyclotron" < that.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, beause the euros and the chinese are building actual working things.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform only works if you're alone. the us is quite behind in tech fixed goods atm.
mircea_popescu: this means the good chinese phds do not go there anymore ; and that the americans who aren't fucktarded long left.
PeterL: well, the cyclotron works currently, the frib is an addition
mircea_popescu: and all the smoke and mirrors the vc freakshow may aim to deploy with software ain't gonna help lipstick this one pig.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's all sorts of chinese, and enough of each sort, to feed all bologna factories both with workers and raw material. and still have leftover actual phjds.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform recall the lulz i had in the logs when it was discovered the icbc, an economic institution with a sheet larger than the entire us banking sector, was actually NOT EVEN TRADED in the us ?
assbot: Crystal myth: 11 more retractions from crystallography journal after 2010 fakery - Retraction Watch at Retraction Watch ... (
http://bit.ly/21c48tB )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform seeing how the article is about english articles, exactly not like those.
mircea_popescu: PeterL your definition of works being, of course, that it's never included in any actual measurements of anything. look through the actual research sheets, the euros never bother asking them to replicate jack.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform publishes plenty, and the ru even translate here and there.
mircea_popescu: no, because i don't read chinese, nor actually care punctually. i just get (and care about) synthetic reports.
mircea_popescu: sure. but the stupid parts are not of particular interest here.
mircea_popescu: libraries in cn about physics written in cn by cn that you can't get in english
mircea_popescu: and curse you, now i want to read inept shit about cuprate superconductives.
PeterL: "English is the language of science!"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the way my intel works is that i don't give a shit about the source data, i read summaries of summaries. but god fucking help you if i go for a endpoint-to-endpoint spot check and the whole conduit isn't there.
mircea_popescu: so if i want the raw for something, i can generally get the raw for something.
mircea_popescu: or as much as fits in the buffer i'm willing to handle, at any rate.
PeterL: Abstract in English so that people can decide whether or not they need to get the rest of the paper translated
mircea_popescu: PeterL honestly i suspect it's more of a "we're slowly outgrowing this quaint historical convention where it's what's done."
CryptoSiD: feel like a freenode star right now:D
mircea_popescu: come to think about it, i guess good intel works pretty much like you want your lisp ast thing to work.
mircea_popescu: and in other gross and deeply disturbing news you had no idea you were interested in : the right way to get the butt flavour in girl's mouth is to fuck ass with condom on, then take it off and have her suck you. bacteria - do not cross the silicon barrier. mercaptans and other intoxicating goodies - do.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo should i do a small piece on argentina or really too far off scope ? << Go for it
assbot: Logged on 03-03-2016 17:37:20; asciilifeform: sturles: do you know what an ~algorithmic complexity attack~ is ?
jurov: verification is not O(1) even if no unconfirmed inputs is enforced, it's O(N) where N is number of inputs
jurov: to compare, implementing mircea's ring buffer with both random insertion and low memory overhead, now that's some real algorithmic complication on C machine
☟︎ jurov: (i actually did the prototype, noone picked it up yet, really gnarly)
jurov: it will be done some day in shivascheme, maybe even by me, but I don't seehow to keep good (or predictable) memory usage
jurov: this is *the* problem, not chained unconfirmed transactions
mircea_popescu: jurov> (i actually did the prototype, noone picked it up yet, really gnarly) << yeah i know it's rather miserable.
thestringpuller: LOL. my coworkers just bailed. it's weird being the responsibile one...
assbot: Logged on 04-03-2016 19:28:45; jurov: to compare, implementing mircea's ring buffer with both random insertion and low memory overhead, now that's some real algorithmic complication on C machine
jurov: you have to "walk" mempool for every tx regardless
jurov: to check for conflicts
jurov: so i can generate N doublespends with high tx fee and you're happily gonna carryy them in mempool and propagate?
mircea_popescu: the notion that it works any other way is so fucktarfded i couldn't begin to explain it
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mircea_popescu: and if one day a double jurov appears, your wife better fuck BOTH of you, and well, or else she gets beaten.
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mircea_popescu: "close and wipe this. how the fuck did it end up in ?" x6.
mircea_popescu: "well it had kidman and malkovich in it" sorta answers.
jurov: and the rule is simple - the 'double' is the one with lower txfee.
mircea_popescu: jurov that's the end result, once proper ring buffer sorts by fee yes.
jurov: if there same and lower, jsut drop it
mircea_popescu: but it is absolutely not the relay's fucking job to attempt to otherwise "check" txns
mircea_popescu: "is it signed validly ? are the inputs in blocks ?" and that is IT.
jurov: the realy that allows to fillt is mempool by conflicting transactions is indeed defective
mircea_popescu: there is absolutely nothing wrong relaying multiple txn that spend the same inputs ; there is EVERYTHING wrong with the notion you shouldn't do this.
mircea_popescu: certainly ANY relay that currently drops on the floor a VALIDLY SIGNED txn is broken. no possible argument here.
jurov: so, i'll spend 1 btc million times with 0.1 fee, feed it to you and you'll be like "not my problem"?
mircea_popescu: the overarching design principle being that ALL the information deciding the treatment of a txn MUST BE ~COMPLETELY~ in the txn in question.
mircea_popescu: and the idiots that made a state machine out of the fucking relays are so stupid it's basically inhuman.
jurov: and won't work in practice.
jurov: my node does check for conflicts
jurov: that works great, too
jurov: letting memory to fill with turds isn't lame?
jurov: your memory together for all the conficted txs falls below the specified fee/byte mark, you can admit at least this is true
jurov: but ALL the conflicts have same $maxint fee
jurov: YES, first one, si asinine, lit's move on
jurov: i don't argue to keep current algo!
jurov: i just am asking ahy you give your memory so cheaply?
jurov: and you reacted by putting forward no less retarded notion to keep everythign that has inputs in block
jurov: but then you have to check for conflicts!
jurov: am i dense or what's happening here
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> but 'seen first is The One' is asinine. << srsly.
jurov: either there's a state machine that considers other txen in mempool, or no conflict resolution, there's no third way
mircea_popescu: dumbass doing the original ~prototype~ had nfi of design, ended up shoehorning everything in everything else
mircea_popescu: producing the equivalent of penises with a clitoral hood and cunts with a bit of penile foreskin and on and on.
jurov: no conflict resolution = free memory for attacker
jurov: messing with your clitoris wont change it
jurov: they must make all these zillion conflicting signatures
jurov: and also loses txfee when one of these tx is mined
jurov: oh and actually, how do you check if enemy sends the same tx many times?
jurov: without even producing new sigs?
mircea_popescu: jurov> no conflict resolution = free memory for attacker << you drop stuff under minfee.
jurov: mircea_popescu of course. please reread and think
mircea_popescu: EVEN if you build a tree - which you do not, chiefly because don't know how - you STILL lose out on the rebalancings
jurov: we don't have anything better than cartesian joins?
jurov: eh why do i strive here, like with NAT, inputs vs. addresses and maybe several other things, you will eventually come to terms with what i meant
jurov: after several months of screaming STUPIDITY and listing NAT.ROUTERS and whatnot
jurov: i explained why NAT is stupid, like one way telephone that only accepts calls, you laughed at me and told you wouldn't want any other
jurov: *that only allows outgoing calls
jurov: then we had dicsussion where I was unable to explain why addresses aren't spent, but outputs are, same reult
mircea_popescu: specifically : "<jurov> after several months of screaming STUPIDITY and listing NAT.ROUTERS and whatnot" << you propose i did what ?
jurov: why did you list NAT.ROUTERS?
☟︎ mircea_popescu: i have no fucking idea, it's a random string. it certainly didn't have some sort of intention, and i was certainly not thinking of you.
mircea_popescu: i think i had moneys-something in there for a while also, or whatever.
mircea_popescu: but this aside. so you said nat routers are stupid and i said i'm happy with them and this evnetually means i came to terms to what, using the jurov two way router ? or what ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo what's the cannonical article re pres. bahamas, witgh the pic ? the asean one ?
jurov: overall, i feel i can't explain myself well to you no matter what i try
mircea_popescu: in all cases when what you're trying to explain makes no sense or generally ?
jurov: in many cases. then alf or someone other explains again and you get it
mircea_popescu: must be frustrating. well, generally a good starting point of understanding a problem is, making a list of observed cases.
mircea_popescu: but the important part there is making the complete list, like with any other scientific approach.
jurov: yes this needs some examples and i don't have it
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i suppose his idea is, in plainer english, that in principle fee is no deterrent, because if he makes 1mn txn that are all valid but spend the same inputs, only one can be eventgually mined and so he can create as many txn as he wants for you to relay and only pay the fee once, eventually. whereas only keeping the first seen one protects from this.
mircea_popescu: how this is supposed to be an argument against sane design i have no idea, but whatevs, "kludge works for me" is how we get kludges ever since kludge one.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo what's the cannonical article re pres. bahamas, witgh the pic ? the asean one ? << yes
assbot: Logged on 04-03-2016 20:46:43; jurov: why did you list NAT.ROUTERS?
mircea_popescu: the current abomination was never intended re : internet.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> the net-as-publictoilet era will e << and this is exactly the situation we have now, except we don't like the miners.
mircea_popescu: the expectation you'll fix broken protocol sociall is inept.
mircea_popescu: war is the thing that happens when idiots fucked up the design.
mircea_popescu: anyway, back to the issue. having nodes discard dupes is in principle stupid ; having nodes discard dupes on a first-seen basis is entirely warantless ; trying to run an implementation of this design will run into problems.
mircea_popescu: the problem ~MAY~ be that bitcoin transactions are dupe-able in the first place, for instance.\
☟︎ mircea_popescu: which is why bitcoin protocol discussions are so complex, and the whole thing so hard : because omfg, the complexity. you don't even rightly know where the problem comes from really, in the rat's nest.
assbot: Logged on 04-03-2016 21:16:20; mircea_popescu: the problem ~MAY~ be that bitcoin transactions are dupe-able in the first place, for instance.\
mircea_popescu: for instance (and plox, before we run off with it - example only!) : if every tx was defined as "only 1 input - only 1 output" and if you wanted to make a larger payment youy'd have to make MULTIPLE txn, then a) the protocol would actually make a lot more sense, atomicity-wise and b) you wouldn't have the problems jurov describes. because pay x to y with fee z would exist EXACTLY one way.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: (yes i'm aware that the above example allows no payments other than in multiples of 50 btc for a while, then multiples of 25, and EVENTUALLY in sasothis. MIND YOU that this is a feature and what you are using now a bug - da fuck do you do when the coinbase is split up in all the satoshis it could be ? ha ? oh, "works for you as it is" ? ty.)
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mircea_popescu: because unlike shitforbrainsatosi stuff, they make sense.
mircea_popescu: i just put that there to generally and pars pro toto show that when i say bitcoin is a steaming pile of shit, and broadly an undesigned kludge i mean very specific things.
mircea_popescu: and derpy arguments "won" with me over the particular brokedness of the prototype implementation are roughly the same value and consistency as used toiletpaper.
mircea_popescu: im not even sure I know which! there's too many. and the bitch with things like these is you always forget one.
BingoBoingo wonders how hot a bride one can acquire from Argentina in 12 months by bartering a 40 foot container of nyger seed
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Do two or three brides for a container of thistle seed is possibru?
mircea_popescu: if you're not picky about tall, you can prolly have brides for the feeding.
mircea_popescu: they don't make ~fat~ gurlz here. but they do make shorties.
shinohai: Just realized I had a misspelling in that dpaste I sent BingoBoingo
BingoBoingo: shinohai: Then just resubmit, haven't opened it yet.
assbot: Logged on 04-03-2016 21:19:30; mircea_popescu: for instance (and plox, before we run off with it - example only!) : if every tx was defined as "only 1 input - only 1 output" and if you wanted to make a larger payment youy'd have to make MULTIPLE txn, then a) the protocol would actually make a lot more sense, atomicity-wise and b) you wouldn't have the problems jurov describes. because pay x to y with fee z would exist EXACTLY one way.
mircea_popescu: at least on this design the problem is sanely approacheable - make address creation REASONABLY expensive, for SANE, DEFINED, PROTOCOL reasons.
mircea_popescu: not "why is it chained liek so ?" "uhhhh... [spittle dribbling]" as is currently the case.
mircea_popescu: so that someone asking for a payment to address x already has skin in the game - whatever it cost him to make the address.
mircea_popescu: i'm just saying - if you're actually designing, you DESIGN.
mircea_popescu: if shit just falls on the ground and you try to pretend it's art, on the other hand...
BingoBoingo: shinohai: Rewrite with an emphasis on how stupid everyone involved in this has to be for this shit to have even been uttered.
hanbot: <mircea_popescu> i did not. << you saw it, you didn't like it
hanbot: you know, where they got david bowie to play tesla.
hanbot: buncha sepia-toned stage magician stuffs with typical christopher nolan over-foreboding.
BingoBoingo: shinohai: It's a lulzy thing, but it needs more of a hook
mircea_popescu: yeah yeah, wanna-be the superimaginarium/illusionist except with very bad historic research.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it was so miserable i even deleted it from ram.
BingoBoingo: shinohai: Mebbe bring an actual pathogen into the discussion so as to contrast this herpajerk
shinohai: I warned you I was a very green journalist.
BingoBoingo: I know that's why now you gotta practiced.
BingoBoingo: Since you submitted this I expect you to resumbit better this.
BingoBoingo still awaits mp's Trilema review of the Verhoeven masterpiece Robocop
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BingoBoingo: But did you write it up on Trilema when you were 9?
BingoBoingo: Ah, but that would be the lesser Bingo review of Robocop. What do you think authors are, fungible?
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ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: now that's a thought-provoker.
trinque: This feature is independent of --use-tor and automagically uses Tor if available. << wahahahahaha
trinque: who can discern malicious actor from useful idiot in this sea of shit
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> perhaps i had everything backwards << which is exactly my metapoint here. for as long as such can occur, it is CLEAR we don't have the perimeter of this thing yet.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> ~nobody wants to admit << nobody wants to admit except for the guy that's been saying it for years. yeh!
mircea_popescu: "This patch also fixes a memory leak of opt.keyserver en passant." << first rule of koch, drepper, weiner & all nsa goons : ALWAYS bundle new vulns with memory leak fixes etc.
trinque: most people are and have always been followers; it is the leaders who are the problem
assbot: Logged on 10-02-2015 03:25:08; mircea_popescu: this is like asking wyatt earp "how do you distinguish between the f brothers and stray dog"
mircea_popescu: nobody ever did or ever would do this combo except deliberately and for this reason.
trinque: mircea_popescu: I see the malice in the act, but am commenting on the pervasiveness of propaganda such that malicious acts can be projected through many obedient, subservient nodes
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mircea_popescu: you know... we aren't using this shit for a [number of] reasons.
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mircea_popescu: he's a fuycking spirochete. does useful shit until govt shows up.
mircea_popescu: one can have zona zooster by the pail in the system, nothing happens
mircea_popescu: then one day you eat the wrong end of a lovage leaf and holy shit you're covered in hives.