tmsr - Log 2018-09-22

BingoBoingo: And in other culture wars, two Tom Clancy books are getting movie adaptations with the lead part being coal dusted to accomodate a diverse lead

phf: ave1: i'm getting the following error http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/49Tie/?raw=true when building ada-musl-cross-2018-06-01. i feel like it came up before, but i'm having hard time finding the thread ☟︎

lobbesbot: phf: Sent 7 hours and 3 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> plox to snarf 'errata' vpatch in http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2557 , ty

mircea_popescu: i might be the only outfit with three different internet providers, still can't get reliable internet. ☟︎

nicoleci: asciilifeform: i changed the links to btcbase, thanks for letting me know re framedragger ☟︎

lobbesbot: nicoleci: Sent 1 day, 11 hours, and 59 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> did not take http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-19#1852187 advice ? dun say nobody warned , when that thing croaks

ave1: phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-22#1852748, The second stage compilation of the gcc compiler is picking up the include files of the system (GNU clib specific and therefor incompatible). ☝︎☟︎

a111: Logged on 2018-09-22 03:05 phf: ave1: i'm getting the following error http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/49Tie/?raw=true when building ada-musl-cross-2018-06-01. i feel like it came up before, but i'm having hard time finding the thread

ave1: I've not seen a failure in this stage yet... But, could you check your environment variables? (if you could post these that would help me).

a111: Logged on 2018-09-22 06:53 nicoleci: asciilifeform: i changed the links to btcbase, thanks for letting me know re framedragger

a111: Logged on 2018-09-13 17:58 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but anyway, in the very success is the seed of failure : in that they weren't all that boring they weren't, after all, true bores. a true bore can drive women to murder, just as well as the http://trilema.com/2016/the-pedoepiphany/ can.

mircea_popescu: http://bimbo.club/?p=21&cpage=1#comment-13 << chick's got 13 comments in 21 articles, i doubt any blogger ever started with this much attention in the history of this activity.

mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-21#1852743 << Oh jeeze, nice catch PeterL and mircea_popescu. We went over this before, totally forgot it needs have oldest at the top. Will fix. Cheers. ☝︎

mircea_popescu: hanbot now i'm re-reading the first month of trilema. it's eerie, what great fucking articles i started with.

mircea_popescu: meanwhile in fiatola datas, https://openpayroll.ct.gov/#!/year/2018 (3.3bn, dropped from 4.57bn in 2017, down from 4.7bn in 2015-2016) ☟︎

hanbot: mircea_popescu i'd say eerier in context is their improvement over time, against the general trend of sissification as exemplified in that payroll link, etc

mircea_popescu: and all the things of yore... remember that moron with the plaintive "oh noes, they are demolishing THE HISTORY!!!! of bucharest" ? as fucking if... ☟︎

mircea_popescu: madison, wisconsin got substantialy older, and deeply more interesting history to it.

mircea_popescu: (wisconsin state legislature met in 1838, southern romania... well... maybe 1831, if you believe them, but it is a lie. rather 1858)

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-22#1852774 << this is pretty lulzy indeed, e.g. who was 'Auriemma, Geno - Special Payment' (2nd place winner after their uni pres) ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-09-22 17:11 mircea_popescu: meanwhile in fiatola datas, https://openpayroll.ct.gov/#!/year/2018 (3.3bn, dropped from 4.57bn in 2017, down from 4.7bn in 2015-2016)

asciilifeform: or hm, ~not~ president, just 'faculty'

asciilifeform: ( pres -- 11th ! )

asciilifeform: at the maryland equiv., last i knew the gold medalist was the sports trainer, and the 2nd place -- the chairman ☟︎

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-22#1852753 << lemme guess, all 3 : satellites ? ☝︎☟︎

a111: Logged on 2018-09-22 05:01 mircea_popescu: i might be the only outfit with three different internet providers, still can't get reliable internet.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-22#1852759 << iirc i had very similar eggog, and it was what ave1 described here ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-09-22 11:15 ave1: phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-22#1852748, The second stage compilation of the gcc compiler is picking up the include files of the system (GNU clib specific and therefor incompatible).

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-22#1852778 << iirc the shoemaker replaced ~90% of what 'history' there was, with hruscheba ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-09-22 17:39 mircea_popescu: and all the things of yore... remember that moron with the plaintive "oh noes, they are demolishing THE HISTORY!!!! of bucharest" ? as fucking if...

asciilifeform: to continue the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-22#1852790 , i'ma lul if eventually mircea_popescu's most reliable isp ends up being the sw prototype... ☝︎☟︎

a111: Logged on 2018-09-22 18:37 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-22#1852753 << lemme guess, all 3 : satellites ?

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-22#1852763 << missing a set of " " here ☝︎☟︎

a111: Logged on 2018-09-22 15:13 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-22#1852757 << here's a magic trick : if instead of pasting in http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-13#1850227 you instead write <a href=http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-13#1850227>link</a>, the link will be displayed with an anchor other than itself (in this case, "link")

asciilifeform: in other noose re 'new pheatures with 0 new coad', http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-09#1723494 worx great with http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2557 udp. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-10-09 16:24 asciilifeform: ( observe that for hole punching, the 'server' does not need to be a heavy duty box that sits as 'star topology apex', but can be any of one or more boxes among the nodes themselves , at a particular time, with external ip. )

phf: asciilifeform: that i can see, but i'm not sure why it's picking up system wide includes. there's an isystem there that points to correct musl include tree, that has the sys/types.h file in it ☟︎

asciilifeform: ( simple algo: you send a packet to 'adult' (i.e. pizarro) box, and it echoes your nat's external ephemeral port, and other folx can udp ~to~ that, while you keep it alive ) ☟︎

asciilifeform: phf: you gotta unset the typical gnat includes envir , e.g. here's asciilifeform's from 1 particular box, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/pUeES/?raw=true ( already has an ave1 gnat ,prior to that pointed to adacore's thing )

asciilifeform: phf: gcc is pretty dumb, it will suck in anyffing it can see in the PATH, in ~random order

asciilifeform: those gotta point to whatever gnat is in use for current shot

asciilifeform bbl,meat

diana_coman: asciilifeform, the IP_To_String will return a string with null chars (in Ada: Character'Val(0)) at the end for IPs that are shorter than 16 chars (e.g. 98.20.105.41); I'm in 2 minds whether to make it change those to spaces (keeps size same) or otherwise return some len; since it's your lib though: what is your take on it?

asciilifeform: really the stringism routines ( which imho yes oughta be in a udp lib, they make it possible to write complete udpism proggy ) oughta be baked in native ada form..

asciilifeform: diana_coman: in this one, oughta replace with spaces

asciilifeform: i thought i fixed this but evidently not

asciilifeform: the one variant that is not an option is returning variably-long strings ( this'd pull in secondarystackism . )

diana_coman: asciilifeform, I combed your patch and did not see any fix for this - did I miss anything? (I did not press it because my code was already changed anyway in all sorts of ways; I read the patch though)

phf: asciilifeform: i'm not sure but i don't think the problem is environment variables. the failing command has an -isystem flag that points to correct musl header tree, and some of the files are being picked up from there, but not all (e.g. errno.h is picked from musl, but sys/types.h from global)

asciilifeform: diana_coman: you read correctly, i did not apparently touch that item

asciilifeform: phf: you may have to strace and see wherethefuq it got it

asciilifeform: diana_coman: if you make this fix, i'ma backport , otherwise i'ma get to it in the coming days

asciilifeform: diana_coman: as always lemme know if you find other sharp edges

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-22#1852789 << sports people often have the sense to get themselves performance agreements. everyone else -- what performance. ☝︎☟︎

a111: Logged on 2018-09-22 18:35 asciilifeform: at the maryland equiv., last i knew the gold medalist was the sports trainer, and the 2nd place -- the chairman

a111: Logged on 2018-09-22 18:42 asciilifeform: to continue the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-22#1852790 , i'ma lul if eventually mircea_popescu's most reliable isp ends up being the sw prototype...

mircea_popescu: i'd very much like the republic to also take over that other requirement of civilised living. banking it's already doing.

a111: Logged on 2018-09-22 18:44 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-22#1852763 << missing a set of " " here

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-22#1852802 << because as trinque pointed out, the imperial code academy view of config files is "optional suggestion". config as it currentrly works will essentially sudo cat /dev/sda1 | grep -A1 "HurrDurrFlag" and whatever comes out of that is the value of hurr. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-09-22 18:46 phf: asciilifeform: that i can see, but i'm not sure why it's picking up system wide includes. there's an isystem there that points to correct musl include tree, that has the sys/types.h file in it

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: will add that, since we forked gcc, this is in principle fixable. ( tho it wouldn't help folx struggling to build the thing under heathen gcc -- e.g. phf currently -- i expect at some point we'll be done with 'build on heathen linux' )

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-22#1852826 << asciilifeform is by no means a subj expert ( will have to defer to, possibly, BingoBoingo ) it is not my understanding that the trainer gets the megabux strictly if team ~wins~. at least, not in marylandistan. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-09-22 19:46 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-22#1852789 << sports people often have the sense to get themselves performance agreements. everyone else -- what performance.

asciilifeform: and it is by no means clear that the 'footballism' is a +ev item for the org. moar of a religious function.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-22#1852831 << optional in 'html 2.0', but iirc e.g. 'lynx' demands the "". ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-09-22 19:48 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-22#1852798 << nah, quotes optional.

asciilifeform: trinque: tbh i do not know if profit or not. but they structure the finance in such a way as to make the q ~impossible to answer from outside. which suggests 'not'.

asciilifeform: seems to me that it is moar of a 'konsoomer has come to expect!' pheature, than a moneymaker.

asciilifeform: ( in this respect it does not really differ from the rest of the 'college racket' tho )

trinque: oil must also be unprofitable, because the wells rarely retain much of what they extract.

asciilifeform: trinque: if oil deposit were an artificial item, expensively created by some living third party, you'd have to wonder what it is they smoke

asciilifeform: ( and yes, the ~national~ footballism folx do profit . but they are not the payers of the $1+mil uni trainer... )

trinque: the more successful college teams are themselves getting into the sponsorship/advertising racket

trinque: none of which would be sustained absent the printing press supply of average-derp spending money, but this ends up reducing to "merkuh ain't +ev"

asciilifeform: iirc there was a mircea_popescu piece, where 'socialism creates pools of moolah that harvesters show up out of nowhere to harvest'. examples abound, even in the very same uni, e.g. in asciilifeformistan they are demolishing ~entire town and building communal flats for students, and the developers pay ~20% of the actual cost, the rest they somehow pawned off on the state of md ( while developer eating 100% of the rent . somehow this m

asciilifeform: akes sense to somebody. )

asciilifeform: ^ interesting detail, in the city hall, some old fart stood up and 'fuck'em, if they cannot make a profit without subsidy, why not we find somebody who will!' but was naturally shouted down and that was that

asciilifeform: other interesting detail -- the demolitions are of old-fashioned local biz, some of which sold, others ended up with 'mysterious fires'

asciilifeform: after one such, one local poltroon even wrote pompous op-ed in local fishwrap, 'this fire is an opportunity for developers!'

asciilifeform: ( what burned down, on that occasion, was a beer/pool hall, where 'wrong' -- i.e. non-professorial -- types, went ) ☟︎

asciilifeform: i suppose, cancer -- grows, nukes healthy tissue, noose at 11.

asciilifeform: in unrelated lulz, 35.198.33.239 - - [22/Sep/2018:17:30:05 -0400] "GET /dnscfg.cgi?dnsPrimary=139.60.162.188&dnsSecondary=139.60.162.201&dnsDynamic=0&dnsRefresh=1 HTTP/1.1" 301 185 "-" "curl/7.52.1" "-" ☟︎

asciilifeform: ^ somebody's lolbot goes around and tries to find (some unknown to me) type of konsoomer lulzrouter, to reset dns root of

asciilifeform: ... to some box in nyc (hostkey co.)

asciilifeform: Run Moar dns...

trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-21#1852644 << lots of christians around. I don't suppose there'll be legal whoring in Mockystan either. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-09-21 16:29 asciilifeform: btw i'm curious what trinque thinks, of how in his enlightened texas, whoring ~per se~ apparently is banned

trinque: on that subj, it has long entertained me that one can be paid for being in porn, but cannot be paid for fucking off-camera. ☟︎

BingoBoingo: And from the rumor mines: Maduro may "internationalize" domestic fuel prices in Vzla

BingoBoingo: This would raise the price of a liter of gasoline from 1/96th of a dollar to a substantial reduction in traffic ☟︎

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-22#1852803 << this is the exact application of ye olde discussion of how to break out! nice. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-09-22 18:47 asciilifeform: ( simple algo: you send a packet to 'adult' (i.e. pizarro) box, and it echoes your nat's external ephemeral port, and other folx can udp ~to~ that, while you keep it alive )

a111: Logged on 2018-09-22 21:16 asciilifeform: ( what burned down, on that occasion, was a beer/pool hall, where 'wrong' -- i.e. non-professorial -- types, went )

mircea_popescu: i can't conceive of what sort of building made by civilised man since the time of silken breeches could possibly be harmed by fire. ☟︎

a111: Logged on 2018-09-22 21:35 trinque: on that subj, it has long entertained me that one can be paid for being in porn, but cannot be paid for fucking off-camera.

BingoBoingo: Related, Uruguayos and money: "Me paso algo parecido al comprar el monitor, no me aceptaron la tarjeta y tuve que ir a retirar al Shopping, me vine caminando esas 3 cuadras con como 600 dólares en el bolsillo del pantalón. Nunca me había meado y cagado tantas veces en mi vida. Además debido al estrés en el trayecto me quede pelado."

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-22#1852869 << what it'll do is give the army better reasons to stick to his govt ☝︎☟︎

a111: Logged on 2018-09-22 21:50 BingoBoingo: This would raise the price of a liter of gasoline from 1/96th of a dollar to a substantial reduction in traffic

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-22#1852874 << just about errything built in usa, burns like matchstick. like old jp. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-09-22 22:25 mircea_popescu: i can't conceive of what sort of building made by civilised man since the time of silken breeches could possibly be harmed by fire.

asciilifeform: ( even in cement office towers -- the drywall crapola still lights )

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-22#1852879 << as i understand, could just as readily hasten his demise, neh ( 'hey next d00d will give us 10% moar' ) ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-09-22 22:27 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-22#1852869 << what it'll do is give the army better reasons to stick to his govt

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-22#1852867 << apparently even nao ~nobody is arrested for going to whores, unless the whore itself turns him in... ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-09-22 21:35 trinque: surprised no one has tried exploiting this observation yet

mod6: Ok, I've reversed the order of the manifest.txt file as we discussed; http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/TMFMJ/?raw=true << mircea_popescu PeterL asciilifeform ben_vulpes trinque et. al.