a111: Logged on 2017-06-20 16:30 phf: scussions, but also any kind of attempt at crypto communication. there was nothing to say all along.
mircea_popescu: thereby making june 21st the republican "day of there was nothing to say all along" and a holiday.
shinohai: Happy Solstice/day of there was nothing to say all along Day !
mircea_popescu: shinohai precesion, yo. by now solstice moved to late 20th evening.
shinohai now wonders what to do with these naked girls in the kitchen ....
mircea_popescu: (yet another of ex ro president traian basescu's harem was finally "found" by teh ro tards. this one is an actual general no less, and organised more parties / ows-likes than ~anyone in the us).
mircea_popescu: (perhaps also of note, what piddly orlol boats pass for "the yacht!! of a mobster!!!" in rotardland.)
mod6: the ocean is a desert. i don't think i could do that for extended time.
mircea_popescu: dude, you are off your fucking rocker. you have no experience whatsoever with boating and will buy a 2nd hand item ?
mircea_popescu: you understand, for $retard "correctly means never" is how he gets into javascript ?
mircea_popescu: it is a stupid thing to do. i don't care what you think "means never" means.
a111: Logged on 2017-06-20 14:45 sn0wmonster: do you always do this?
mircea_popescu: you understand this ? industrial process offers a guarantee of sameness and conformity, such as it is. natural decay DOES NOT.
mircea_popescu: all items coming off the factory line are worth ~same within a few percents, AND the whole fucking world is out there trying to figure out FOR YOU, on their own dime, what that SAME is.
mircea_popescu: a used item can be worth anything through mt_rand(0, new)
mircea_popescu can buy used cars. CARS. because i bought and own hundreds. i can't buy fucking used boats, and i doubt you can (or would, or do for that matter) buy used cars.
☟︎ mod6: asciilifeform: you'd be better of renting a boat if you just wanna have some fun. if you want escape-hatch, then you escape, buy boat later at where ever with translator et al.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sure. when you buy a used electric transformer, i'll keep my peace.
mircea_popescu: i swear the loony reservation is doing things to your head. you ended up baking in us "consumer protection" laws at some level.
mircea_popescu: of couse your brotyher isn't going to stick you with a lemon.
mircea_popescu: there's ~no mechanical moving parts in computer, and guess what -- the few that are, you DO buy new.
mircea_popescu: yes but circumstances of two kinds overlap to dazzle and confuse your eye.
mircea_popescu: the relevant part in the fan is the movement, not the intimacy.
mircea_popescu: and, to a much larger degree in the car than in the fan. and to a larger still in the boat than in the car.
mircea_popescu: we already had this thread last week, but you got it like duck gets wet. the boat hull IS a moving part, and it is moving in such a way to make plastic ~useless.
mircea_popescu: the problem with brake pads is that under the heat and shear stress they microcrystallize. this makes them much less useless for their intended purpose, which is abrasion, and for which they'd better stay amorphous. the problem with fiberglass is that under mechanical stress they separate, which then creates fissures and which then is the end.
mircea_popescu: yes, from a pass/fail perspective brake pad is either broken or isn't. but natura not facit saltus, it gets there through a continuous process. there's no discrete processes above atomic scale.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform buy a few bitcoins and wait a few years.
mod6: whats the longest boat trip you've ever taken?
mod6: i personally have only been on a boat for a day at most.
mod6: well, i think that it's fun for a day; imagine going port to port for weeks on end. i think it'd get tiring. maybe i'm wrong. *shrug*
mircea_popescu: anyway, a word re the "new chump tax drives off the lot loses 10k value" thing : it loses 10k of RESALE value. it does not lose 10k of value, ie, your new car still won't need new shocks just because you drove it off lot.
mod6: i don't seem to have problems with that either.... at least, i have't had it yet.
mircea_popescu: there's many values. value as a negotiable is different from value as a usable.
mircea_popescu: "you marry a girl, it loses 10k whoring value right there" is rank nonsense.
mircea_popescu: which is why i said don't buy it in the us, cuz yes those people are SO into papers and empty signifiying by now that it's a legitimate problem.
mircea_popescu: but the insanity of one group does not affect the bedrock of reality any.
mircea_popescu: perhaps. but it's still an open problem how expensive, and it is my estimation you're massively overestimating it.
mircea_popescu: mod6 it helps immensely if you only take slavegirls along.
mircea_popescu: possibly only thing in nature that actually occupies negative space.
mod6: ah, i agree. naked girl(s) + boat go hand in hand.
mircea_popescu: nudity is a start, but it's just... people have a bubble, it depends on many things and i suppose is of various types. if you pack them tighter than their bubble is they'll get increasingly pissier.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform mind that there's two sea sicknesses, also, early and late. though the late is rare.
mod6: heheh. i can see it though, mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: mostly hits people like fishing boat crews, which is why they never take more than X% noobs no matter what.
mircea_popescu: they give those out for free, you know, even in your jurisdiction.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dunno you'll be able to find anyone willing to indulge, so in theory not but in practice likely.
mircea_popescu: i dunno man, there's many kinds of people and i dun expect to understand all, but going by observation to date the only reason people even put up (for brief intervals) with the many and significant inconveniences of navigation is access to the sun and the wind and so on.
mod6: i feel like that was once every 3 months though. haha.
mod6: ah, fair point. but i mean, whatever, probably wasn't daily sunning either.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what, you are going to have a CONVERTIBLE sub ?
mod6: i dunno, if you feel like you wanna live in a submarine, then perhaps its time to gtfo and find a better place.
mircea_popescu: rules to fucking live by, you know, "by the time you feel like you wanna live in a submarine, it's time to gtfo and find a better place."
☟︎ mircea_popescu: asciilifeform show me pics with naked chix sunbathing on this submarine deck.
shinohai: (has on chain if I understand correctly)
phf: asciilifeform grew up on russian romantic literature (like the soviet writer jules verne), yearns to live on Nautilus
mircea_popescu: just because a buncha doods are standing uncomfortably on it for five minutes dun mean jack.
mircea_popescu: phf except the soviet writer jules verne later wrote star trek, "how great would it be to sit on your couch watching tv on which they show you some dorks sitting on couch watching tv"
mircea_popescu: afaik it was all about that big screen and the various people gathered around in that livingroom to watch it.
mircea_popescu rather suspects that actually star trek figures principally as the G in that MAGA. it really was the best of times, that worst of times, for all those involved.
mircea_popescu: "bring back that time when ''your job is to watch tv'' actually WORKED."
phf: i have to be honest, i barely read jules verne. i think it's just an incompatible temperament issue, i preferred my romantics to be a bit darker.
mircea_popescu: i preferred twain, but the problem is twain wrote enough for a coupla weeks, verne for a coupla months. every day as a 10yo i'd come home from school, stop at library, buy another jv book an' go read it.
mircea_popescu: then i discovered romania actually had a niche equivalent of the us pulp, spinrad & all, so i moved on to that.
phf: i liked twain, but he was also a touch wholesome. like an older uncle, telling you a yarn, that has a Point to it that you're expected to notice, because the uncle grins every time the point comes up
mircea_popescu: to this day my idea of "who can be bothered to read "other americas" or "trainspotting" or you know, watch coffy fightin' crime for the black "homeland" is, 11 yo boy.
mircea_popescu: phf really ? i utterly missed that out. i think to this day. what was the point ?
phf: oh that i don't know, i was 10, so i intentionally avoided learning what the point was, i just had an uneasy sense that it was there
mircea_popescu: the "uncles" ie uppity aunts don't like it anymore these days, though. too much nigger in it, not to mention a very strong vein of "things are as they are not only because that's how they are but also because that's how tyhey should be".
mircea_popescu: and so the poor kid has allergy to clothes and the black kid to learnin and the injun to sitting still.
mircea_popescu: kinda why buying the ourdemocracy pantsuit lolboat is such a ridiculous deal. the only thing you know for sure about it is that, "wait a few years, they won't like it anymore".
phf: or as my mom would say "перебесятся..!"
phf: which doesn't have a good direct translation. "they will soon stop throwing a tantrum" but the verb is from bes, i.e. old russian word for demon, so kind of like "they will run out of the idiotic and chaotic energy, and will eventually calm down"
mircea_popescu: "voluntary apnea works out until the brain shuts down from lack of oxygen and the stem restarts breathing reflexively" ?
mircea_popescu: kinda the whole story of socialism, as it happens. what the pantsuits are doing is === voluntary apnea, and what happens to them is always "well, you ran out of money, so back to capitalism whore!"
phf: apparently from greek pithakos (monkey) through latin foedus (ugly)
phf: goes back to slavic mythology, but i don't know what bes is there. in old slavonic bibles it was used to translate the word "demon"
mircea_popescu: afaik the slavic notion of the devil is muchly indebted to a) the observation of lyssaviri in action and b) the passage about jesus and the herd of pigs. so they mostly understood demons as rabies agents.
mircea_popescu: of course, they don't really have rabies in galilea, but wut-eevars!
phf: yeah, бешентсво, that is rabies, is derived from bes
mircea_popescu: yeah. at the time and in those parts, wolves were a much more serious problem, and correspondingly a much larger part of culture than seen today
mircea_popescu: (both because today's culture is mostly interhuman masturbation and because it has mostly lost the ability to reflect reality.)
mircea_popescu: makes for much better demonography than the southerners had at any rate.
phf: there's though a comedic dimension to the word, by 19th century you had a stereotype of bumbling deacon, the kind of person who would blame "daemons" on personal insignificant follies
mircea_popescu: kinda how folk-whatever goes. "he had the devil in him" ie liked to touch girls between the legs and drank.
mircea_popescu: though the last word from harvard trained Psychologists (!!!) is psychopath, i hear.
phf: из столицы! ему сам царь-батюшка ученую грамоту дал и подписал!
mircea_popescu: incidentally, people get all excited re the fungi that grow out of ant's heads and change the ant's behaviour etc.
mircea_popescu: however, rabies is a much better example : the virus specifically accumulates in the salivary glands, for the ~purpose~ of being transmitted through bites, and shuts down the deglutition behaviour.
mircea_popescu: a lot more work to change behaviour ~in all mammals!~ than it is to aflict one narrowly defined sort of ant.
phf: there was a young adult novel about vampires, and i can't remember the title or the author, but it was written by a virologist, had all kinds of trivia about this sort of viral parasites (obviously vampirism was explored from that angle too)
BingoBoingo: Of course it must have. I thought that's what the 1980's in "activism" was about. Vampire disease
phf: i don't think you could get published in america if you were to imply that gayness is biologically viral in nature
mircea_popescu: but you can't sell your vampire story unless everyone in it is very twinky.
mircea_popescu: phf incidentally, it's a great thing the free world (tm) defeated the soviet union where people couldn't be published for writing things outside of the yemu sam's letters.
mircea_popescu: it's even better that nobody (tm) is even bothered by this, exactly like they weren't in teh self-same soviet union.
a111: Logged on 2017-06-18 23:30 asciilifeform: and realized, while doing this, that in fact you don't need 2k+2 bits for the karatsuba intermediates, you can do instead of (x0+x1)*(y0+y1) , (x0-x1)*(y0-y1), and then you don't need to propagate carries, but only take absolutevalue and xor the borrows to see if gotta invert the resulting term
a111: Logged on 2017-05-19 17:22 asciilifeform: in other news, a 4096-bit A**B takes approx 14 seconds (3GHz) .
phf: (500 lines of ada later...)
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: pajama boy :: An insufferable Man-Child. About as threatening as Michael Cera and so nerdy he could guest-host on an unwatched MSNBC show. The purpose of Pajama Boy is not to get people to buy health insurance, but to get a rise out of more powerful personas. [ex:] Pajama Boy is an insufferable Man-Child probably reading The Bell Jar and looking forward to a hearty Christmas meal of stuffed tofurkey. If (2 more messages)
trinque: scam; I don't think you can stuff a tofurkey
mod6: <+asciilifeform> mod6: if you want to test, keep in mind that you gotta Foo : FZ(Bits) ; now, rather than Foo : FZ; << good to note. thanks
mod6: yeah. no sewage in the champagne
mod6: <+asciilifeform> but keep in mind mod6 et al that where before you had package ALU is new FFA(Width => Width, Word => OS.Machine_Word); you will now have, e.g., package ALU is new FFA(Word => OS.Machine_Word); << thanks for this too
mod6: depressing because 17.7 seconds?
mod6: i do not think this is depressing, more ~expected. we're doing things typically in crystal way up above where normally executed.
mod6: so, there might be some optimization to be done (perhaps?) once we all grok the implementation.
mod6: yeah, don't let it get you down. all in good time.
mod6: you mean, storing the halfwords isn't going anywhere?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo lulzy montana "the referendum" on ourdemocracy.
mircea_popescu: also re "small cars", apparently fiat actually makes a THREE CYLINDER car
mod6: <+asciilifeform> mod6, phf , et al -- see if you grasp how the thing worx. << will continue to try to grok this thing.
BingoBoingo: three cylinder engines are not that uncommon
BingoBoingo: Kubota has a rather popular 3-cylinder diesel ~25-ish horsepower but lots of torque for the small holder who wants to deep rip their plot
mod6: this is outside the spec, but just as an experiment, what kinda timings do we get if you were to do inline asm for the W_Mul & Karatsuba procedures? is this worth doing?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: what does 'ffa' stand for?
a111: Logged on 2017-06-21 17:08 asciilifeform: also gotta understand what the F in 'ffa' means. it means that N**2 takes exactly same time as N**N
mod6: asciilifeform: ok, i understand.
mod6: X.Z'Length; -- Words in each operand << does 'Length count from 0?
mod6: asciilifeform: have a minute to walk through the splitting of the numbers?
mod6: L : constant Positive := X.Z'Length; -- Words in each operand << let's say that L gets assigned to 7. (since we start at 0, we end on 7 as overall length)
mod6: K : constant Positive := (L + 1) / 2; << Now, K gets assigned to 4. (7 + 1) / 2 = 4
mod6: J : constant Positive := L - K; << J gets assigned to 3. 7 - 4 = 3.
mod6: X0.Z(X0.Z'First .. K) := X.Z(X.Z'First .. K); << X0 will be assigned to X.Z[0] -> X.Z[4] ? or is the 'X.Z'First .. K' part exclusive? where it'll only do X.Z[0]->[3] ?
ben_vulpes: holy doodle, my tunnel under steve's wall just broke the surface!
mod6: asciilifeform: anyway, im just trying to figure out if this splits the number in a balanced manner or we're off by one.
mod6: So, in this case, it seems that we start at 0.
mod6: and my guess is that X.Z(X.Z'First .. K) would be assigning 5 words where K = 4.
mod6: X1.Z(X1.Z'First .. J) := X.Z(K + 1 .. X.Z'Last); << Further, it seems that here, we'd be setting (K + 1) .. X.Z'Last ; so, 5 .. 7. And assigning that to X1.Z(0 .. 3).
mod6: which, i guess you would be assigning a null word then, also. not sure if that was intended.
mod6: well, not assigning, just not assigning the 4th word in X1.Z; where 4th == X1.Z[3]
mod6: X1.Z(X1.Z'First .. J) := X.Z(K + 1 .. X.Z'Last); << what about this one where J = 3?
mod6: i did that, see above.
mod6: K=4,J=3 when there are 8 words in FZ.
mod6: (18:31) <+mod6> X.Z'Length; -- Words in each operand << does 'Length count from 0?
mod6: (18:32) <+asciilifeform> sure does, see ada spec
mod6: so i figure if my X.Z is 8 words long, L = 7
mod6: lol, this is why i asked first!
mod6: K=(8+1)/2 == 4, J =(8-4) == 4
mod6: guess that clears that up. my apologies to TMSR~ for the spam.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> ACHTUNG s.nsa customers!! all outstanding-through-today FUCKGOATS have shipped << cool
trinque: entirely worthwhile, for when one of us is next going through the Ada march.
mod6: huffers got flashed -96%. HEH
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
shinohai: lol mod6 caught it same time I did, was busy writing up the lulz and didn't see your msg.
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: The operation succeeded.