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asciilifeform: aite. (i dun even dispute that a scheme where multiple parties are used for obfuscatory/smoke purposes ~can be useful~ - but it is not crypto in the normal sense. stego, perhaps.)
asciilifeform: but it remains true that 'eliza stego' is dumb, unless you are masquerading among spam
asciilifeform: PeterL: if i can tell that stego is in use, it ain't stego, definitionally
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: stego is easily a 100x drop in channel capacity.
trinque: asciilifeform: stego
jurov: ^ another idea for stego corpus
ascii_rear: incidentally usg is obsessed with image stego
ascii_rear: multiply by whatever the bloat factor of the stego is
ascii_rear: standardized/public stego scheme is merely a waste of bandwidth.
ascii_rear: problem with all stego is that it runs exactly counter to standardization
adlai: yes, the PGP-w mode.but PGP stego only needs to work for ~2 people, whereas btc stego should work for 21M.
ascii_rear: mircea_popescu had an article about simple text stego
assbot: Logged on 05-12-2015 04:20:16; asciilifeform: (afaik publickeyization of stego is an unsolved megapr0bl3m)
Bingoboingo: Really I thing -w mode stego should aspire to https://archive.is/plA29
Bingoboingo: Grammarizer needs to aspire to creating stego prose leik: "Bob's feet were a horror. Advanced stages of gout had swollen his feet which were covered in sores, growths, and hard scaly patches. I know this because Bob's shoes were improvised flip flops, clearly hand made. I can only imagine normal shoes don't come in sizes that would fit over the swollen sacs of disease that passed for his feet. I'm not sure how he walked on these s
asciilifeform: use however you like, but any public agreement re: precisely what to do kills the whole point of stego
asciilifeform: this is sad stego
ben_vulpes: more stego'd private keys
asciilifeform: PeterL: stego is not a substitute for crypto, but is 'part of a balanced diet'
asciilifeform: (afaik publickeyization of stego is an unsolved megapr0bl3m)
asciilifeform: PeterL: stego is a symmetric thing
ascii_field: bonus l0lpo1nt5 if this was a stego'd privkey
ascii_field: imho stego by its very nature ought to be a personal and various thing
BingoBoingo: <ascii_field> jurov: then we stego on a 'recognizable' structure << 1024 nudes encoding!
ascii_field: jurov: then we stego on a 'recognizable' structure
asciilifeform: very spiffy little monograph on a/v stego in there, as well
ascii_field: now if only crypto and stego had been invented
assbot: Logged on 12-08-2015 17:54:13; mircea_popescu: one of the best places for stego i can think of.
mircea_popescu: one of the best places for stego i can think of.
asciilifeform: i bet a good chunk of those is stego blob
jurov: /msg williamdunne yea got the stego data alright
asciilifeform: vinyl record wallet << good art project, but - bad steganography. breaks the '#1 rule of stego - must not talk about the stego.'
asciilifeform: well ostensibly purpose of stego is 'dr evil can't tell if x is a node'
asciilifeform: in such a scenario, stego is useless
asciilifeform: stego works best as 'part of a balanced diet' with proper crypto
asciilifeform once spent most of a year experimenting with image stego
asciilifeform: (dumb stego --> generally low-order colour bits)
asciilifeform: for dumb stego, easy to test.
asciilifeform: (don't bother writing to herr fravia re: stego or his famous cracking tutorials. he's dead.)
asciilifeform: http://www.woodmann.com/fravia/stego.htm
asciilifeform: stego that doesn't 'scream stego' is a whole art.
mircea_popescu: incidentally : gpg armored lends itself splendidly to stego : the payload byte is only a few bits
asciilifeform: almost by definition, you can only 'test' for piss-poor stego.
asciilifeform: anyone remember the '20% of all gifs contain stego' newsbit?
benkay: ideally stego is rarely touched tho
BingoBoingo: No, because stego
BingoBoingo: But not stego hygeine
asciilifeform: ('standardized stego' is the key hidden under door mat.)
asciilifeform: new theory. twitter used by thinking people is really stego blockchain.
asciilifeform: standardized stego (e.g. 'let's all encode messages in the lowest color bit of lolcat photos) is about as useful as the practice of hiding your house key under the door mat.
asciilifeform: stego example
mjr_: but also stego, in that they don't know there is secret info, you are hiding the secret info in other public info
mjr_: whoever mentioned stego is right
mjr_: really want to read the stego article