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liquidassets: On the perfect ponzi, "you kinda complete the loop and bring it all the way down to the purchase" - Josh Garza
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assbot: Rare New York Times front-page editorial urging gun control draws praise, ire - Trending - CBC News ... (
http://bit.ly/1YSQxYQ )
nubbins`: "Conservative blogger shows his anger over article by shooting bullets into it"
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BingoBoingo: ;;later tell pete_dushenski Were you still writing up something on the Tesla emissions scandal?
phf: franky fingers says those transactions are fine, capiche
mircea_popescu: started looking for an article which essentially consists of a picture of a derpy kid in a very messy room (includes an oirange traffic cone) with various "busioness" and "internet tough guy" captions
BingoBoingo: ;;google trilema traffic cone internet tough guy
danielpbarron: prometheus including haught holy horrors see below
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ascii_field: not that there is any alternative to this, mind you
ascii_field: (if i knew of one, i'd have a motherfucking box)
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mircea_popescu: lmao. us soldiers "were just trying to get college loans and dental", didn't sign up to actually fight.
mircea_popescu: and WHAT IS THIS BULLYING! VIOLENCE IS NOT THE ANSWER!
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BingoBoingo: "Less than half of Amerine’s platoon was healthy enough to participate, but this time they were armed with shotguns and tear gas, and they moved in at 3 a.m. Things went off without a hitch." << For the record this is now US policia SOP
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BingoBoingo: ;;later tell pete_dushenski ty, and how do you plan to prepare Saddam for Canadian Winter?
☟︎ BingoBoingo: How do the Fender Flags handle in the snow?
punkman: "We implement segregated witness right now, soon. What we do is discount the witness data by 75% for block size. So this enables us to say we allow 4x as many signatures in the chain. What this normally corresponds to, with a difficult transaction load, this is around 75% capacity increase for transactions that choose to use it. Another way of looking at it, is that we raise the block size
punkman: to 4 MB for the witness part, but the non-witness has same size. The reason for doing the discount, last slide, the reason for doing this discount is that it disincentivizes UTXO impact. A signature that doesn't go into the UTXO set, can be pruned."
punkman: they found the most shitgnomiferous solution, didn't they?
☟︎ BingoBoingo: <punkman> they found the most shitgnomiferous solution, didn't they? << Yes
BingoBoingo: punkman: I'm just happy Qntra already had a Discus Fish from an earlier story
punkman: tried their livestream yesterday, audio must have been recorded through $1 microphone in someone's pocket
BingoBoingo: Well last time they could afford a microphone was when they sold their BTC at $5 per and got out
punkman: "President Obama's former Deputy Press Secretary joins BitFury as new Chief Communications Officer: "Why I believe in the Blockchain and Why You Should Too""
punkman: I thought bitfury hadn't yet joined the "Blockchain" derps
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punkman: "Imagine a world where people can send money as easily as we send emails" << yeah sending email is such a joy these days
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punkman: "Visitors to the fair were reportedly confused by the stabbing, mistaking it for performance art. The area was quickly marked off with police tape, which some people seem to have thought was part of the installation."
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davout: gmaxwell: curious how that thing behaves when funds move from signing addresses
BingoBoingo: gmaxwell: Well, you gotta figure if you have dollars and want to undermine bitcoin security at some point you're going to pick up some bitcoin.
gmaxwell: davout: I think it's supposted to forget them but I think it doesn't currently, based on some of the traffic on its issue trackers.
☟︎ gmaxwell: as there is a bug for "background update" or something
BingoBoingo: Anyways, it is still early in history. There can still be idiots out there with 4 digit BTC, though not too many.
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davout: i know folks with 4-digit btc that also 'invested' in ethereum...
BingoBoingo: Not to mention the "Industry" BIP 101 supporters who can sign with "other people's" BTC
davout: well, if they have the keys...
gmaxwell: Yea, I'm anticipating that one; though it would require them to figure out how to signmessage. :P
gmaxwell: a lot of "industry" is using third party APIs to control their coins...
☟︎ gmaxwell: I don't feel bad that you doubt it, I wouldn't have believed it if I'd not seen it myself. It does make a lot of things make more sense.
BingoBoingo: Coinbase and ButtPay are still derping along with Other People's Money
BingoBoingo still finding the "Jim Crow Signature Witness" thing extraordinarily disturbing
gmaxwell: Ah, looks like main source of the pro 101 funds is satoshibones.
fluffypony: [11:03:56] <+davout>i know folks with 4-digit btc that also 'invested' in ethereum... <- a fool and his money...
gmaxwell: 4-digit btc would have been like ...all of the ethereum presale, no?
punkman: didn't they get like 30k btc?
gmaxwell: fluffypony: well, customers of a gambling site... probably the case most excusable to use customer funds to support 101.
gmaxwell: (derps probably all support 101 too. :) )
assbot: BitBet - The ETH scam won't see 2016 :: 73.96 B (34%) on Yes, 142.49 B (66%) on No | closed 5 days 9 hours ago ... (
http://bit.ly/1iDIjEg )
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assbot: Logged on 07-12-2015 09:02:03; gmaxwell: davout: I think it's supposted to forget them but I think it doesn't currently, based on some of the traffic on its issue trackers.
funkenstein_: Unspent outputs should form the basis rather than addresses, so that coin is free to move without changing tally
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nubbins`: so i had a darknet vendor try to scam me
nubbins`: naw, a mod gave me my money back :/
nubbins`: maybe the first time i've had an escrowed deal fall apart
nubbins`: now, truthfully, i know why this happened
nubbins`: there was a peak in btc price around nov 5, when i placed order
nubbins`: vendor prob thought he'd get less $ than he deserved by the time money cleared escrow
nubbins`: so he just never sent anything
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mircea_popescu: and marked it shipped just in case he needs extra points with mod ?
nubbins`: mod ("OxyMonster", lel) was unimpressed
mircea_popescu: o look, somebody got butthurt at trilema, and figured ddos totally is going to do something! this time!
assbot: Logged on 07-12-2015 07:36:34; punkman: they found the most shitgnomiferous solution, didn't they?
mircea_popescu: haskell is a few steps down this road, and i hope the participants have fun.
mircea_popescu: if you look at things, something like this was unavoidable. there's a lot of people who wish to "participate" in a very peculiar ustardian manner, which is why the peculiar ustarded flavour of academia was invented in the first place.
assbot: Logged on 07-12-2015 07:58:25; punkman: "Imagine a world where people can send money as easily as we send emails" << yeah sending email is such a joy these days
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mircea_popescu: "I don't understand how there isn't more research into actual dick growth drugs. It seems like it would be profitable if condoned by the FDA." << it'd be totally profitable, but fda has nothing to do with it.
assbot: Logged on 07-12-2015 09:05:04; gmaxwell: a lot of "industry" is using third party APIs to control their coins...
mircea_popescu: they do this with their shares, why wouldn't do this with their other assets. the monster is what it is in all its parts, not just the tail.
assbot: Logged on 07-12-2015 12:11:21; funkenstein_: Unspent outputs should form the basis rather than addresses, so that coin is free to move without changing tally
adlai: lets you print ballots for tx fees, incentivize gracious donations to block makers
adlai: if we're gonna have an election, at least make it a spectacle worth watching!
mircea_popescu: doh. so if i run a miner that has $days_left % of total hash output, i can freely vote an infinity of coins. because whatever, i just fill a block with an endless chain of votes and i'm going to eventually mine it into a block.
adlai: you'd still have a finite proportion of the network, other miners could print votes for themselves, or just process transactions normally, business as usual, which still lets others print their own ballots
adlai: fees race up as you fight over block space, price moons, democracy wins
mircea_popescu: basically the only way this thing can pretend to exist is if nobody gives a shit, and for as long as nobody does.
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adlai: hmm i'd phrase it the other way around. if nobody gives a shit about "vote" results, nobody has incentive to attack it. if people pay attention to elections, they get attacked, but the attack makes it seem that more money cared - because it did
mircea_popescu: yes. so the illusion that "this car made out of cardboard is road worthy" can be maintained for as long as nobody takes it on the road.
adlai: ah, i don't think such elections will effect the decision-making process of people who understand the system. this doesn't prevent the fee-donating competition from occurring
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mircea_popescu: i suppose it is the duty of informed people to allow the uninformed to donate any resources they might unwarrantedly have acquired.
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nubbins`: hmm i bought a bunch of shit at the homebrew shop yesterday, and one of the items rang in as $0.00
nubbins`: man, the canadian dollar slipping to its lowest point since 2004 is really making the btc/cad exchange rate look good
assbot: Judge Jeanine: 'Get A Gun. Get It Legally. Learn How To Shoot It And Be Primed To Use It' - Fox Nation ... (
http://bit.ly/1NBgI2v )
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nubbins`: i wonder what would've happened if the san bernardino goofs had gotten guns, gotten them legally, learned how to shoot them, and been primed to use them
nubbins`: also, the word "radicalized" has been media-ified into absurdity
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nubbins`: i had a coworker once that wrote a 500-line function for manipulating arrays
nubbins`: her variable choices were "result1", "line3", "thisRow2" etc
nubbins`: you did up the eulora homebrew tap?
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nubbins`: think it was a git issue. progress
nubbins`: checking whether the C++ compiler works... no
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nubbins`: not being able to feel pain is actually a fairly serious condition
nubbins`: most people end up disfigured by late childhood
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phf: nubbins`: I have another bug report with 10.11, but this one's just odd. I'll check it out tonight
nubbins`: i've tried 4.9, 5.3; mp thinks maybe you targeted llvm?
nubbins`: i symlinked gcc-4.9 to "gcc" ages ago, so it's trying to use that instead
nubbins`: lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 41 17 Mar 2015 gcc -> /usr/local/Cellar/gcc/4.9.2_1/bin/gcc-4.9
nubbins`: lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 5 20 Sep 2014 llvm-gcc -> clang
phf: but desc not working? that seems like some brew formula level issue
assbot: Logged on 07-12-2015 07:55:46; punkman: I thought bitfury hadn't yet joined the "Blockchain" derps
nubbins`: phf it seems like it's still not using llvm-clang but its own gcc-5.3
phf: hmm, its possible i forgot to remove custom gcc call out from cal3d formula, ill have to check once im in front of a real computer
phf: or maybe it's picking up your gcc since you have it installed. homebrew compiler selection algo is all kinds of creative
☟︎ nubbins`: phf yeah symlink city. i did brew remove on all gcc's
nubbins`: (this was the step it was hanging on. not outta woods yet)
nubbins`: iirc cal3d was my hemorrhoid when i was trying to cobble a working osx install
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: i can see the connection to 'курва', but is there an etymological link to engl. 'cur' ?
assbot: Logged on 07-12-2015 07:23:53; BingoBoingo: ;;later tell pete_dushenski ty, and how do you plan to prepare Saddam for Canadian Winter?
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: so i've always had a thing for slavonic whoors it seems ;)
mircea_popescu: amusingly enough, in ro cant the superlative accomplishment of thievery is being "old whore".
pete_dushenski likes curvy women, yes, particularly those who elegantly put the 'broad' in broad
pete_dushenski: i think it's compensatory for my lousy upper body frame
nubbins`: oof this cs download is slooooow
nubbins`: FTTD ruins you on patience, i tell ya
nubbins`: fun story, installation guy says "do you want me to terminate the fibre at the pole, or inside the home?
nubbins`: i say "is there an extra cost?" he says "nope" i say "lule, come on in, no need to take off yr boots"
nubbins`: he warned that it's easy to damage the fibre where it enters the house
nubbins`: "we'll come out and fix it for free"
nubbins`: i think the word you seek is "fit"
pete_dushenski: indeed, broad =! curvy, but rather signals the potential therefore once fillie is done being 'athlete'
pete_dushenski: "If the trend continues, Alberta could be on track for 654 suicides this year." << and then next year, a thousand, and the year after that THE WHOLE PROVINCE WILL OFF ITSELF
nubbins`: the amount of drug addiction brought to NL by oil money is more staggering than the number of suicides in AB
pete_dushenski: hm, coulda sworn there was something in the logs about cheese being more addictive than crack. or was it cheesecake ?
nubbins`: lol. and wiping your ass after taking a shit is more addictive than cheese
☟︎ nubbins`: there's a lesson in here about paying labourers $70k/yr
assbot: Logged on 07-12-2015 16:56:24; nubbins`: lol. and wiping your ass after taking a shit is more addictive than cheese
ascii_field: the ultimate addiction, imho, is not-having-meatbags-around
nubbins`: you give these goofs bags of cash
nubbins`: they go buy big trucks and big houses on credit
pete_dushenski: why a quarter-mn to some 23 yo newfie punk ? BECAUSE THE JOB SUCKS. and literally no one would do it for less
☟︎ ascii_field: nubbins`: we have legends of this kind of thing here, with lottery players
nubbins`: pete_dushenski the smart newfies took that money and came home with most of it, bought houses etc outright
nubbins`: the stunned ones took out leases, blew their money on drugs and gasoline, and are now fucked
nubbins`: unfortunately, they're fucked here, not in alberta
nubbins`: people who have to interact with them?
nubbins`: i'd sooner interact with a dummy than with a coke-addicted dummy with $200k of personal debt
pete_dushenski: there are ex 'rig pigs' working farmers market stalls here, nice kids.
nubbins`: one of those dummies prob will not do a home invasion some day when he's broke, one prob will
pete_dushenski: can't stay addicted to blow 4ever, at least not when broke, this too shall pass
ascii_field: nubbins`: what's it take to land that work anyway
nubbins`: pete_dushenski o.O you know what happens when addicts are broke, yes?
nubbins`: ascii_field year or two of trade school
nubbins`: some work sucks more than other work
nubbins`: physical labour 18 hours at a time particularly sucks
ascii_field: how many people per square metre in a drill platform ?
☟︎ nubbins`: <+pete_dushenski> you shoot them ? << so trite
nubbins`: so imaginaruim of dr dushenskuss
nubbins`: dummies get high paying jobs up in AB
nubbins`: plenty of $$, why not try some coke?
nubbins`: come home, still addicted to coke
nubbins`: then coke dealers start multiplying
nubbins`: then coke /users/ start multiplying
nubbins`: then the money runs out (this happens not all at once)
nubbins`: then the poorest, most addicted turn to theft, robbery, break-ins, etc
nubbins`: then your city is suddenly full of broke addicts
nubbins`: the smarter ones say "i can't get out of this on my own, i need help"
nubbins`: at which point they realize oh, there's a 6 month waitlist for help
nubbins`: guess i'll hold up a convenience store instead
ascii_field: and sometimes they find that there is no 'addiction clinic' for breaking addiction to space, clean air, hygiene, and cheese
nubbins`: sure there is, it's called therapy
ascii_field: though i hear mircea_popescu has a broomstick therapy
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: for the purpose of this thought, any particular thing you've grown to like but suddenly cannot afford, is 'addiction'
ascii_field: just as a small hole in your chest is a hole, whether made by bullet or meteorite
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: afaik cocaine aficionados don't suffer from withdrawal in the usual sense
pete_dushenski: i don't shiver and vomit and want to die from ass-wiping with plants as i would from morphine withdrawal
pete_dushenski: ascii_field: i think you're right, which really makes you wonder about the 'addictiveness' of coke
pete_dushenski: so idiots who wanna rampage because 'no money for cheese' shouldn't be shot ?
nubbins`: in reality, the addicts who can't find/afford coke don't just stop using
nubbins`: they just switch to prescription drugs.
nubbins`: there y'go, that's much less trite
trinque: nubbins` is assuming a big, cozy socialist state to take care of them
nubbins`: worthy of a serious conversation between adults
☟︎ ascii_field: 'civil society' is just what remains after you fill the gulags
trinque: given that he lives in one, this is reasonable
nubbins`: if you want the government to help you, better not hold yr breath
trinque: dole checks don't show up in canada anymore?
trinque: I understand that they do here
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nubbins`: dole is what, $400-smth a month here?
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nubbins`: should be just about enough to cover, oh, nothing at all
pete_dushenski always reads 'checks' as 'inspections'. it's cheques goddamit !
nubbins`: maybe at one time you could live off dole
nubbins`: but that was before all the cash-heavy oil workers came home & drove property values through the roof
ascii_field: nubbins`: in 'dole countries', the thing is barely enough for scum-life. satan help you if you've tasted human living
trinque: nubbins` │ the smarter ones say "i can't get out of this on my own, i need help" << >> nubbins` │ sure there is, it's called therapy
trinque: this struck me as a socialist perspective.
trinque: as for the dole, there's always public housing too
nubbins`: trinque public housing has a bigger waitlist than addictions help.
nubbins`: also mostly goes to families vs individuals
nubbins`: "but doesn't that encourage the destitute addicts to start queefing out kids?" yes it does.
trinque: the question of what happens to these people only matters under economic and social circumstances which are advantageous to them.
nubbins`: "but won't kids born to addict parents be fucked from the start and stay that way their whole lives?" yep
☟︎ trinque: I took pete_dushenski's "get shot" as "get fucked/who cares"
trinque: aside drug prohibition what are they going to do to make enough money to matter?
nubbins`: so the "LALALALA I CANT HEAR YOU" approach?
trinque: aside living among them what do I care what they do to each other?
trinque: yes, no "something must be done" about it
nubbins`: you do live among them, ya fuckin dumbass.
nubbins`: oh, on what planet do you live?
nubbins`: well if you can't see any right now
trinque: if there were no drug prohibition how would that economic process you described work, exactly?
nubbins`: also, equating "drug addict" with "bum" is an exceptionally rudimentary understanding of the world
ascii_field: the little trick is that when you're throwing away people, it helps to make sure that all or most of them actually are garbage
☟︎ trinque: prohibition drives the price through the roof, which allows the whole thing to sustain itself.
☟︎ ascii_field: otherwise you get a lenin eventually and get fucked.
nubbins`: trinque if there were no drug prohibition, the world would be a better, safer place
☟︎ trinque: aside massive govt distortions of the market, stupid tends to die.
nubbins`: treating drug abuse as crime is maybe the dumbest thing i can think of at the moment
☟︎ nubbins`: actually, ignoring drug abuse is pretty fuckin stupid too
nubbins`: most govs do one or the other, or both at once
trinque: I'd say "end prohibition" hits it head-on.
trinque: weed prices for example in legalized states are falling all the time
trinque: apply that to the harder stuff; profits subside and those pushing the dope go on to better things
nubbins`: i pay about $250/month directly to criminal gangs
trinque: spending far less on aspirin I'd imagine
nubbins`: costco has pretty cheap aspirin
nubbins`: now on top of that, you have the idiot cops running around
nubbins`: essentially purchasing the drugs with your tax dollars, and not even using them afterward
ascii_field: don't worry, weed-legalization will free up their hands to bust bitcoin aficionados
nubbins`: seriously, there was a big bust here recently, i calculated that the cops paid something like $4 a gram for the weed they seized.
nubbins`: if the shit was legal, purchasing that same gram would yield the gov $4+ in taxes
nubbins`: it's not like all the black market soft drug money goes directly to hell's angels and vietnamese gangs, oh wait
pete_dushenski: "There's about €3bn of London Club debt "trading" at 15 cents of par last time I checked. If you find Argentine bonds just not exotic enough" << everyone's an investor eh. p2p lending is da footoor !
☟︎ nubbins`: it's not like buying prohibited dope helps keep coke dealers in business, oh wait
nubbins`: anyway this is turning into generalized griping
pete_dushenski: nubbins`: anyways, once the residual albertabux dry up, newfoundland will go back to being a 'service economy' or whatever it's been since the cod packed up and left. your housing prices will return to the incredibly affordable 'normal' you were used to, and all will be well again until the next time a canadian province has a resource boom and your industrious young men provide the necessary cannon fodder.
assbot: Logged on 07-12-2015 16:58:29; pete_dushenski: why a quarter-mn to some 23 yo newfie punk ? BECAUSE THE JOB SUCKS. and literally no one would do it for less
nubbins`: pete_dushenski all the people whose houses are suddenly worth less than the outstanding mortgages would tend to disagree that "all will be well"
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nubbins`: don't let me get in the way of your over-9000 triteness
assbot: Logged on 07-12-2015 17:02:33; ascii_field: how many people per square metre in a drill platform ?
mircea_popescu: the main thing is being able to sit by oneself for six months in the dark
nubbins`: that's the other "high pay, shitty work" option for canadians: go up north
nubbins`: i personally would not fare well above the treeline
nubbins`: also common for older folks who didn't plan so well for retirement.
nubbins`: move up north for yr last 5 years in the workforce
ascii_field: 'i must step outside and may be a while' (tm) (r)
nubbins`: gov literally pays you to live up there
nubbins`: as opposed to southern canada :D
nubbins`: like, "you live north of 60, here is your nothern allowance"
nubbins`: "use it to offset the insanely high cost of goods"
assbot: Logged on 07-12-2015 17:10:19; pete_dushenski: i don't go into withdrawal when forced to use leaves for tp.
nubbins`: could keep going but shrug, you get the idea
assbot: Logged on 07-12-2015 17:13:22; nubbins`: worthy of a serious conversation between adults
nubbins`: mircea_popescu practical matters aside, nm
mircea_popescu: i happen to agree : if you happen to be poor and happen to be loud, being shot is the correct policy.
mircea_popescu: it's how i ran my town the only time i ever ran a town, and it's how i intend to run any town i ever run.
mircea_popescu: shooting people certainly a lot more practical than "helping" people.
mircea_popescu: seeing how i've seen shot people with mine own eyes, but helped people i am entirely unsure anyone ever saw.
nubbins`: in fairness, if you'd seen more people helped you'd have seen less people shot
mircea_popescu: but you know that trite happens to be a sort of banal, right ?
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nubbins`: actually pretty much anything pete says falls under the category of trite, too
nubbins`: he's like a mini-mp, but without the circuitous argument skills
whaack: !rate funkenstein_: 2 met in the flesh, has a great blogpost "on chumponomics"
assbot: funkenstein_: is not registered in WoT.
nubbins`: not really sure what pete's pocketbook looks like
whaack: !rate funkenstein_ 2 met in the flesh, has a great blogpost "on chumponomics"
whaack: frass.woodcoin.org/on-chumponomics/
nubbins`: 12 years in catholic school, i'm done with mass 8)
assbot: Logged on 30-09-2015 19:07:55; pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu property manager of a small, older commercial building that my father owns. 6 tenants, 100 occupants, fun little project. also manage two residential properties. also manage a small start-up in the construction materials space, we make the first/only/bestest fibreglass composite curtain wall framing. and then there's the little one. le petit monstre...
nubbins`: mircea_popescu so he "manages" a couple things for dad?
nubbins` puts more weight on pete's words going forward
nubbins`: for all i know it's all made up
trinque: nothing shameful about a family business.
nubbins`: you've seen pictures of my body
ascii_field: trinque: iirc he has a day job, as a health inspector, somewhere
nubbins`: trinque nothing remarkable either
nubbins`: same reason an inheritance is unremarkable
mircea_popescu: today, it's fucking remarkable. means about the same as a dog's pedigree
nubbins`: remarkable in the sense that saving for the future is remarkable
nubbins`: unremarkable in the sense that any asshole can get a windfall
☟︎ mircea_popescu: "this guy was spawned by people together enough to actually own something. unlike everyone on the internet, who is here mostly because their mother thought being ugly is enough excuse to fuck drunks.
nubbins`: "pete's so amazing, his dad bequeathed him a suitcase of bills"
mircea_popescu: all things equal i'd rather deal with someone who comes from sane parents.
trinque: this is a poor person's notion of the wealthy.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu lol my entire generation was spawned by people together enough to actually own something. and they're all fuckups
☟︎ nubbins`: this can be accomplished by either speeding up OR slowing down
nubbins`: don't look a gift painting in the brush
nubbins`: ^ parallel universes collapsed as i wrote that
nubbins`: there's a set of lifestyles that allow one to dick around on irc all day
nubbins`: the other half is "on welfare"
nubbins`: consider that there are people active in here on a daily basis who are 100% supported by the state, and others who are 100% self-supporting
nubbins`: if you don't work in tech, odds are you're one of the former
ascii_field: some of even live in communist shitholes where tech and ~all else is state-supported
mircea_popescu: tech, finance, governance, hey, do you count the usg plants as self-supported or state-supported ?
mircea_popescu: check it out, nubbins` schematic thought naufraged once more on the circuitous beaches of irl.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field ironically, the "tech and all else is state supported" shithole mostly would be the bay area.
nubbins`: if you're on a computer all day long and you don't /work/ at a computer all day long, chances are you're coasting. either on your own funds or someone else's
mircea_popescu: nubbins` im actually on three computers. one of which is mining magical dungbeetles.
mircea_popescu: ironically, my virtual game character made more in november than 50% of earth's population, and most africans.
nubbins`: now suppose instead of mining dung beetles, you're waiting for a tenant to say the radiator's busted in your dad's building
pete_dushenski leaves for few minutes, only to discover that his dad is dead and bequeathed him some paper, that's he's mp-but-no-mp, that he didn't retire from health inspection, and that he's on welfare because not 'in tech'.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski ironically, nubbins` retired from tech to do artsy bs, and now has a sweet tooth for anyone daring not be in tech!
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: hey one time i left for an hour and came back to discover that i suffer from depersonalization and am dog-who-identifies-as-cat
nubbins`: really i retired from tech to stave off suicide later in life, but this is splitting hairs
pete_dushenski: nubbins`: whole thing was 'generous'. twas the point ;/
mircea_popescu: in fairness, if i were a woman, and worked my ass off for kink.com throughout my teen years, and then retired to... start my own perfume line,
mircea_popescu: i'd be pretty harsh to all these hussies daring to prance around in like clothes
nubbins`: ascii_field i left for 7 weeks and nobody but you wondered about me ;(
ascii_field: eh nubbins` i thought of you!111 every time i papercutted on my ragged bitcoin printout binder
mircea_popescu: nubbins` are you gonna get butthurt if i tell you the thing sucked ?
nubbins`: not rly, i don't value yr opinion on art
nubbins`: it's mostly a vehicle for advertising our skills at silkscreen printing
nubbins`: one crazy fucker bought 5 copies
mircea_popescu doesn't recall the last time he actually saw a competent draughstman / painter / anything.
nubbins`: i'm an exceptionally competent printer
nubbins`: i'm a technician more than anything
nubbins`: lemme find some close-up photos that will mean absolutely nothing to you
mircea_popescu: actually The Story of Nubbins the Industrious would make a pretty decent book title.
nubbins`: post #19 if you don't feel like waiting for the jump
nubbins`: it requires a couple years of abject failure to truly appreciate, but tyvm
nubbins`: mix our own inks from scratch too
nubbins`: ignore the watermark & url, these are my actual tools
nubbins`: gigposters forums are a wealth of info
nubbins`: odd thing to say about a forum
mircea_popescu: actually unfashionable, prof driven forums are usually ok.
mircea_popescu: the plague starts once bitcoin/experts sexchange/seo/mommy/ what have you default activities of those who really should have been shot in their teen years.
nubbins`: gigposters has "premium membership" ($20/yr) and people get turbo shit-on if they ask too many questions w/o coughing up some funds
nubbins`: in fact, i feel deeply indebted to the place, as i essentially learned my trade there
mircea_popescu: why not feel deeply indebted to the actual people that taught you ?
mircea_popescu has ~0 anything for "the school", remembers some teachers.
thestringpuller: I have found a correlation to alumni dedication and how "out of control" the partying is at said alma matar.
mircea_popescu: i guess if the sluts were good i'd credit the school more than the individual sluts in question... maybe.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu it's a schelling point, couldn't have found the actual people were it not for the venue
nubbins`: why not pledge fealty to mp instead of TMSRO~
mircea_popescu: this is exactly why the wot exists - to disinhabituate socialists from stealing from the people and giving to "the institution" so that lenin, stalin or whatever other nigger can then steal it.
mircea_popescu: there is no tmsr outside of the nodes in the wot graph
nubbins`: there is no gigposters forum outside of the knowledgeable who post there
mircea_popescu is a little wary of this theory. zuckerberg thinks he owns facebook.
nubbins`: a different angle: what better way to encourage indebtedness to me?
nubbins`: tons of noobs out there failing at screenprinting
nubbins`: until they come across my posts
nubbins`: (they still fail but at least know why)
nubbins`: before i commit to this character, am i supposed to be able to change physical features?
nubbins`: clicking things seems not to change avatar
mircea_popescu: find your way uphill, there's some tables there and a coupla animated fruitboxes
thestringpuller: WTF PEOPLE. Arguing "Bitcoin needs to be able to change and evolve" to back your opinion on hard forks is beyond fucktarded.
thestringpuller: I srsly feel like Dave Chappelle up in this bitch. I want to believe people have potential to become actual human beings, but I guess I'm wrong.
nubbins`: i am in / why is everyone black
mircea_popescu: btw nubbins` if you want a job i prolly got something for you :D
nubbins`: you quite literally would prob have to walk me through it
nubbins`: i may have to start out with basic things like "how to do anything besides walking around"
mircea_popescu: well prolly should do that in #eulora, and also... don't you enjoy a mystery ? :D
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mircea_popescu: eulora has this very pronounced old style adventure quality to it, for the first few hours/days/weeks/we it takews you.
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assbot: Logged on 07-12-2015 17:47:28; nubbins`: you've obv never been here
assbot: Logged on 07-12-2015 17:48:11; mircea_popescu: talk to teh syrian immigrants.
nubbins`: we sorta put all our eggs in the oil basket
pete_dushenski: not sure why, but all the syrians who come to canada stay in big cities and stay the fuck away from fort mcmurray
nubbins`: because fort mac is full of fuckin shitty rednecks?
pete_dushenski: nubbins`: well, tbf, what other basket was there than oil ?
nubbins`: and it costs $800/mo to rent a hammock in an unheated shed?
nubbins`: pete_dushenski prudence woulda been putting the grease money into something else before it was too late
nubbins`: instead, we have muskrat falls
nubbins`: massive boondoggle megaproject already billions over budget
nubbins`: power lines running from labrador across the strait to the island
nubbins`: across the fucking long-range fucking mountains
nubbins`: down thru NL and over the water to NS
nubbins`: and then to american markets and beyond
pete_dushenski: well, again, tbf, it's entirely in the nature of mega-projects to go over-budget and past 'expected' timeline for completion
pete_dushenski: pretty sure 95%+ of such projects have these same issues
nubbins`: tbf, if it happens every time, maybe just bump up the numbers from the start
nubbins`: "it's weird, we blow our snowclearing budget by january 5th every year"
assbot: Logged on 07-12-2015 17:49:06; nubbins`: pete_dushenski all the people whose houses are suddenly worth less than the outstanding mortgages would tend to disagree that "all will be well"
mircea_popescu: same exact thing happened to the athenian fucking fleet.
nubbins`: "my house is worth 100k and i owe 200k" "so just rent"
nubbins`: yes, or rent in the first place
pete_dushenski: wtf were you doing taking out massive loan when you didn't understand downside risk
nubbins`: but telling them to rent after the fact is gibberish
nubbins`: tbf it's not a lesson unless they wanna sell
pete_dushenski: "don't borrow a lot of money unless you're fucking rich"
nubbins`: house worth 100k and you owe 200k? just keep living in it :P
nubbins`: "don't borrow a lot of money unless you don't need to" is ok advice
mircea_popescu: kinda the whole point of property being that solvent owners really don't give a shit what other parties think things be "worth".
nubbins`: for someone like me, market value affects property tax, little else
pete_dushenski: nubbins`: i feel sorry for the idjits paying down 200k mortgage for house that will only ever be worth 100k. why not light money on fire ? stay warm, enjoy the show ?
nubbins`: so the mortgage goes up $50/mo. big whoop.
nubbins`: pete_dushenski now you've got empathy?!
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nubbins`: i actually received a new property assessment in the mail last week
pete_dushenski: so explain to me guy who keeps paying down 200k mortgage on 100k house. does he expect house to one day be worth 200k again ?
nubbins`: pete_dushenski maybe, maybe not. either way, he's gonna spend $12k/year on living space
nubbins`: whether that's paying off a too-high mortgage or paying off someone ELSE'S too-high mortgage is his choice
nubbins`: i feel there's more value in one than the other, ymmv
nubbins`: renting is fine if you wanna work forever
nubbins`: if you'd rather work less as time goes on, well, maybe buy?
nubbins`: put another way, let's say you rent for a year. at the end of the year, what do you have to show for it?
☟︎ pete_dushenski: ok, let's work the with 'maybe house will never again be worth 200k' condition. why not give 12k to landlord instead of bank ? will landlord not put that money to more practicable and local use, having a higher probability of bettering renter's station ?
pete_dushenski: because i'd see local landlord and caring more about my town than some bank in toronto
nubbins`: landlords don't give a red fuck about their towns
nubbins`: besides, how's the landlord buying a new snowblower at Wal-Mart helping the local anything?
pete_dushenski: well, you're a landlord aintcha, don't you care about your town ?
nubbins`: but i'm not building community spaces out of my profit either
nubbins`: i'm spending it on my greedy self
pete_dushenski: you're a small time landlord though, and even still i'm sure you don't buy much of anything at usg-megacorp-retail-centre
pete_dushenski: that landlords, like yourself, like myself, give a shit about the places they live MORE than the banks from far-off lands.
nubbins`: i buy local not because i'm a landlord but because i'm not an idiot
nubbins`: most landlords spend all their money at big box stores
nubbins`: where maybe 5-10 cents of every dollar they spend stays in the community
nubbins`: the rest goes to the waltons, or the irvings, or whomever
nubbins`: most landlords around here are more properly called slumlords
nubbins`: and they DGAF about their rentals
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pete_dushenski: mkay. so maybe in halifax, the banks are the warm huggy people who care and the local slumlords and the jerkoffs. what do i know.
assbot: Logged on 07-12-2015 18:06:26; mircea_popescu: an inheritance was unremarkable. WAS. three centuries ago.
assbot: Logged on 07-12-2015 18:07:06; nubbins`: unremarkable in the sense that any asshole can get a windfall
assbot: Logged on 07-12-2015 18:07:55; nubbins`: mircea_popescu lol my entire generation was spawned by people together enough to actually own something. and they're all fuckups
nubbins`: dude i'm 33, the parents are still living
pete_dushenski: "boomer" parents fluked into a historical windfall ~themselves~, like y'know, actual lottery winners. that their kids didn't manage to hold onto a dime of it is par for the course.
pete_dushenski: show me the "boomer echo" kid whose great-grandparents actually owned something and i'll show you a kid who's doing well for himself today.
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nubbins`: my great-grandparents floated over on the Empress of Ireland and lived in a canvas tent in Banff for 5 years
nubbins`: before scrounging enough to build a more permanent home
nubbins`: lotta keefes in the ground out west
nubbins`: and i don't think there were many flukes or windfalls this far east
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pete_dushenski: definitely not as many windfalls in eastern canada as western canada, which is why obviously why some of our ancestors put up with the nightmarish cold and long winter nights :)
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assbot: IBM Asks Women In Tech To Hack Hair Dryers, Women Tweet Back To Tell IBM It’s Not The 1950s | TechCrunch ... (
http://bit.ly/1SK0KTy )
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pete_dushenski: @kav_p .@IBM Oh good gosh hack a hairdryer that'll make tech more easy for women to understand! Next time can we hack a delicious baked dinner?
pete_dushenski: ^ i don't see how cooking well is an undesirable skill, but apparently i can't begin to comprehend 'women in tech'
thestringpuller: I abhor cooking, only because I want immediate gratification when it comes to deliciousness.
thestringpuller: ;;google "site:trilema.com lets have fund with paul graham"
pete_dushenski recently tried using airbnb to look for apartments in cologne, germany, not only didn't find, but computer KERNEL PANICED just by using their cutting-edge website. fucking. twice.
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: (do you have a crash dump or the like ?)
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: or investors read and still figures "hey, there's bigger chumps out there than me! i won't be the last one standing when the music stops! not this guy!"
thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: funny how fiat investing has devolved into musical chairs for retards.
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: ya could be sitting on a $100k mac anal hole
☟︎ pete_dushenski: "you're shitting on a goldmine, trebek! if you had a penis mighter, i'd order a dozen!"
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: i had excellent experiences with airbnb 2.5 years ago in croatia. seems like it's gone to pot since then.
thestringpuller: buddy told me that some cops confiscated a Nissan GTR from some local drug dealer
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: pretty sure this is increasingly common in the states
pete_dushenski: iirc there was a newer corvette (c6?) that suffered a similar fate recently.
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pete_dushenski: but hey, if you can't actually afford the cars (a la dubai), how else ?
thestringpuller: I got pulled over going like 60, and the cop was like "I don't want to have to peel you off that guard rail"
thestringpuller: and I was like "D00d you must have failed physics. My car is built to go 80 in mud, and I've tuned it for such. Also this is a straight away"
thestringpuller: "I could easily write you a ticket for going 20 over" "Not without having clocked me. Good luck getting that through court."
assbot: Dubai police cars include a McLaren, Lamborghini, Aston Martin, Bentley and Ferrari | Daily Mail Online ... (
http://bit.ly/1lKaWkc )
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pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: could've also answered, "i could easily shoot you in the stomach, wanna play chicken ?"
assbot: The Bitlove LLC spin on their recent implosion, as presented to their captive audience. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... (
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kakobrekla: so, bip65 will be active in a day or so now
thestringpuller: apparently if client doesn't implement softfork miners can slip in invalid tx's that the client won't recognize...
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mircea_popescu: so the client won't recognize them. what's the problem ?
mircea_popescu: you're not obligated to accept txn you don't want to accept.
mircea_popescu: "Note, however, that time-based locktime transactions are more or less unseen on the network currently." is the point of interest. currently, and permanently, nobody gives a shit about the entire bondogle eithger way.
mircea_popescu: "Implication for users: GetMedianTimePast() always trails behind the current time, so a transaction locktime set to the present time will be rejected by nodes running this release until the median time moves forward. To compensate, subtract one hour (3,600 seconds) from your locktimes to allow those transactions to be included in mempools at approximately the expected time."
mircea_popescu: translates to "and the dumb shit doesn't even work anyway"
thestringpuller: it never really did. the point of nlock was to hand a transaction over to someone in a "will" like form
thestringpuller: peter todd just really wanted the blockchain to enforce the time limit
thestringpuller: (since before it didn't write nlock tx's to blockchain. they would just sit in mempool)
mircea_popescu: whatever. you can put an arbitrary number in your txn anyway, and usg-time's never going to be anything but an arbitrary number.
mircea_popescu: but i lol at the sort of idiot who actually relies on THIS for their will.
mircea_popescu: of course, they exist about in the numbers "ethereum investors" exist, which is to say purely in the feverish imagination of various "hacker" derps
thestringpuller: "ethereum investors" now reads as M$ to me. since my boss just showed me a beta to use eth on Azure...which makes no sense.
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thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: do you have literature on the yoga you do for the computer?
trinque: ^ along these lines, a standing desk also helps quite a bit.
pete_dushenski: i've actually been out of practice since fatherhood started, was doing a lunch-time session once a week aimed specifically at office/computer jockeys
pete_dushenski: aaaand nov 20 was the last time we cracked 1000 lines in a day.
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assbot: Logged on 06-12-2015 20:00:47; phf: kakobrekla: phf logs fixed re tabs and newlines << cool everything parses clean now
assbot: Logged on 07-12-2015 17:22:23; nubbins`: "but won't kids born to addict parents be fucked from the start and stay that way their whole lives?" yep
assbot: Logged on 07-12-2015 17:24:42; ascii_field: the little trick is that when you're throwing away people, it helps to make sure that all or most of them actually are garbage
assbot: Logged on 07-12-2015 17:24:44; trinque: prohibition drives the price through the roof, which allows the whole thing to sustain itself.
mircea_popescu: notwithstanding that it's doing exactly that, and in point of fact for a reason very similar to your thinking, nevertheless it has obviously no prayer in hell of working. it's not even wrong, it;s unrelated.
mircea_popescu: drugs were also verboten in communist romania - they didnt' have a price there. you'd have died of hunger with a brick of pure cocaine.
assbot: Logged on 07-12-2015 17:25:23; nubbins`: trinque if there were no drug prohibition, the world would be a better, safer place
mircea_popescu: of course, the concept of "average" lifespan wouldn't make any intuitive sense, wut do you mean "average".
trinque: how about prohibition of a product that sells itself?
trinque: in the conversation linked, nubbins was discussing the newfie coke heads. seems like quite a task to stop the massive demand there.
trinque: meanwhile prohibiting the product limits and complicates the supply
mircea_popescu: that may be. but consider the situatuon of real estate. is "housing" a product that "sells itself" ?
mircea_popescu: what is the principal driver of price in real estate ?
mircea_popescu: (here's a hint : imbecile argentines imagine a tiny 1000 sqft apt is worth 150-200k usd, in their shit town. why ? why, because the government's been printing money, and people kept "investing" it, there's about two to five trillion pesos that have to be wiped out of the economy before it can return to working)
trinque: this is what confounds a simple answer to your question.
mircea_popescu: the cost of the blowjob, and of the gram, and of the bed are not a function of how forbidden it is.
mircea_popescu: they're a functrion of how much money ios sloshing around.
mircea_popescu: approach it from the other angle, the demand elasticity. take cokehead with $1000 income and a $1000 drug habit.
mircea_popescu: suppose his income doubles to $2000. is he now going to... save $1000 ?
assbot: Logged on 07-12-2015 17:26:23; nubbins`: treating drug abuse as crime is maybe the dumbest thing i can think of at the moment
mircea_popescu: so my point is, to sum it up : that the prohibition of the drug trade has nothing to do with economics. it is a purely political choice, of trying to enact equality between the poor and the rest. this desperate, doomed nonsense may be ineffectual, painful, difficult, costly or what else have you, boring, whatever. it is nevertheless the ONLY thing that keeps the average lifespan of the not-us from being ~24 ; and the f
mircea_popescu: ate of any female aged ~14 with decent tits and a little bit of length of bone from being forcibly injected.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40924 @ 0.00048303 = 19.7675 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: the choices you have before you are the choices you have before you, not the choices you wish to have before you.
mircea_popescu: if drugs aren't illegal walmart is going to force-feed its workforce meth and go through 10x as many poor people.
mircea_popescu: perhaps even feed the employees the previous employees. god knows they did it to the cows, and only stopped because WE complained. not because the cows complained.
mircea_popescu: for all they cared, cow can sit in shit up to the belly and get more antibiotics.
mircea_popescu: and i'm going to ride through detroit atop a tank and shoot tranquilizer guns at anything that can twerk.
trinque: and so the price is because, simply, they will pay it, as the product causes them to compulsively go after the product
mircea_popescu: what's the cost of a blowjob to the miner with a sackful of gold dust ?
trinque ought to have considered the effectiveness of prohibition, and not simply the idea of it.
mircea_popescu: figure it out, old whore de kirschner and her dumbass puddel scioli figured they'd stay in power on the votes of the poor. the very same fducking poor they prevented from having a life. and it blew up. if only they had meth and heroin on their side!
mircea_popescu: this country is roughly in the situation of the us cca 1815, with one major difference : buenos aires is their new york, yes, the port. but in argentina, 20 of 40 mn live in the port. that's half. in the us, less than 5% lived in the port. the rest went the fuck to ohio and built a farm.
mircea_popescu: but no, they want them here, living in bidonvilles "en la capital", so they keep voting peronistas in exchange for a little flour, so the peronistas can go to europe and borrow "to develop argentina" and then spend to... fuck up argentina.
mircea_popescu: obama won, on the same ticket. what if instead of "obamacare" they could have peddled "free heroin!!1 these mean people want to take it away!"
assbot: Logged on 07-12-2015 17:33:37; pete_dushenski: "There's about €3bn of London Club debt "trading" at 15 cents of par last time I checked. If you find Argentine bonds just not exotic enough" << everyone's an investor eh. p2p lending is da footoor !
trinque: I see. My line of thinking was that "this expediates the decay of those already rotting, and so what?"
mircea_popescu: that may be the hit of the century, guys bought the shit at 1.5 cents to the dollar, may well see full repayment a decade later.
assbot: Logged on 07-12-2015 19:52:37; nubbins`: put another way, let's say you rent for a year. at the end of the year, what do you have to show for it?
mircea_popescu: and if you want actual numbers, i just got a coupla girlies an apt. the sale value would have been i guess 160-170k or so. the monthly rent is 750. the first month, the washing machine went, and the owner replaced it. the next month, ac went (brother was that an incredible pos job wow), owner replaced it. so far owner's been making 0 from his property.
☟︎☟︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: on the other hand, if i were a fucktarded argentine borrowing for this, i'd owe ~2.5mn peso principal + 300k or so a year interest + whatever you figure the devaluation risk costs me. over a 30 year period (heh, you gonna work for 30 years ? srsly ?) this comes to at the very least 40k a month. that's just about 2750 dollars.
mircea_popescu: so at the end of each month i got a coupla grand to show for not having been an idiot ; the owner's got some bills.
mircea_popescu: altenratively, if i were a fucktarded bitcoin owner i could have sold no less than 500 btc to pay for it. and in 30 years i'd have a great story about how i sold enough btc to buy nevada to get an apartment in a third world city.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30850 @ 0.00047736 = 14.7266 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: and don't tell me "it ain't like that where i live". obviously it ain't, and you're an idiot for living there in the first place.
mircea_popescu: for this reason. the fundamental incentive to living anywhere is whether you can stick it to the middle class through this mechanism or not. if you can't, they can stew in their own juices and play mahjong or whatever the fuck they play, bingo.
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 07-12-2015 22:04:45; thestringpuller: How the fuck.
assbot: Logged on 07-12-2015 22:07:52; ascii_field: pete_dushenski: ya could be sitting on a $100k mac anal hole
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27025 @ 0.00048304 = 13.0542 BTC [+]
jurov: they can be sold, but not by alf due to his shining aura of innocence
ascii_field: (quite likely some of the folks here- could.)