assbot: Logged on 28-11-2015 21:02:41; jurov: my proposition is that if packets signed by key in WoT come from an address, it's unlikely DoS will come from there too.
assbot: Logged on 28-11-2015 21:05:25; mod6: we've got a lot of work in front of us for '16.
assbot: Logged on 28-11-2015 21:15:00; mod6: depends on what makes sense. i'll need all the help I can get. either we put in the work that needs doing and you have a republic, or you don't.
assbot: Logged on 28-11-2015 21:24:54; mod6: This is a clean break point to start working on the rest of these large pieces such as the mempool.
adlai: (seems to be just the one)
felipelalli: thank you for the review and publishing BingoBoingo!! :)
adlai: ``history doesn't repeat, but it rhymes''
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assbot: Logged on 28-11-2015 21:59:28; ascii_field: not going to rest until every non-German human had been wiped from the face of the Earth.] The leftist rewriting of this conflict seems as kooky as the bizarre neo-Nazi revisions I read in my youth, but is more troubling, because, where the right wing kooks who wanted to paint humanity’s largest killing with a bizarrely fantastical brush of Germanic innocence were rightly ignored, the lefties are find
mircea_popescu: i seem to remember that according to the pravda, russia won ww2 all by itself also
mircea_popescu: notwithstanding that the conflict in europe was the smaller half of the conflict.
assbot: Logged on 28-11-2015 22:41:59; ben_vulpes: not until they install checkpoints anyways, and that'll cost far more than they really can spend.
mircea_popescu: sit around in govt checkout booth, then go for a slutwalk and mcdonalds takeout.
punkman: there's this whole genre of checkpoint videos on youtube, because it's not enough to go through the gate, gotta spend an hour talking to dumbass guards and make videos of it.
mircea_popescu: i lived in a time when travel took more than "boarding"
mircea_popescu: if they're going to make show you up x hours early because security theatre, might as well spend them wasting their time.
mircea_popescu: heck, i lived in a time when people smoked on planes, to no detriment.
adlai: these days they e-smoke, although that'll get banned soon enough too
punkman: I've yet to see anyone blow vapour clouds in airplane
punkman: mircea_popescu: you're there anyway. << yeah but they'd normally just pass through, unless stuck in traffic, in which case nowhere near the guards to interact with
adlai has only heard about it secondhand as a complaint, so b&hammers are likely on their way already
punkman: these are car checkpoints, like at the border, but not at the border
punkman: I've seen some pretty big queues after disembarking airplane
punkman: jurov, seems like coinbr can't fetch market data
frankenmint: sweet, is this a temp thing that needs to be set via gpg confirm each time I want voice assigned automatically?
frankenmint: ok right, thanks none the less, how is your evening/morning going?
frankenmint: sounds rough but edgy, sorry I'm the total opposite right now, wish you were the same
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Garden variety cold it appears, but started in the lungs.
BingoBoingo: Wake up friday, cough hurts more than usual. By bed time Friday upper respiratory chaos.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo just don't give yourself pneumonia before you get moar kids in the qntra mines!
BingoBoingo: At least I'm not coughing up blood again. That stopped pretty soon after I got on the water wagon.
frankenmint: sorry to hear that going on w/ you BingoBoingo get better soon
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44150 @ 0.0005048 = 22.2869 BTC [+]
adlai: ;;isup blockchain.info
jurov: coinbr now shows mkt data.. at least till mpex.ws goes down
jurov: also, i've hacked mempool limit on top of -test2 without any defrag and the node is now live, will see how it ends up
adlai wonders why coinbr doesn't use mpex.coinbr!
jurov: mpex.coinbr runs on top of the official proxies, too
jurov: so not a big advantage
shinohai: jurov: please let us know for sure, I will be glad to do additional testing, etc with your product >.>
shinohai: How the mempool hack turns out, if it works well I'd like to try it.
jurov: sure. but i'm also sure if it catches on, will make certain purists VERY angry :)
jurov: ANN: Sorry, CoinBr does not accept new/cancel orders due to MPEx issues. Normal service will resume after this is fixed.
jurov: mircea_popescu: they accept orders and cancellation, but don't execute them
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.00050211 = 2.6612 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9698 @ 0.00050089 = 4.8576 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: "the man who helped spawn the whole debate" and all teh other avatars of usg wooden tongue in full display.
jurov: all seems Ok, coinbr enabled
gribble: wyrdmantis was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 5 days, 2 hours, 29 minutes, and 21 seconds ago: <wyrdmantis> sure! thanks
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13998 @ 0.00050647 = 7.0896 BTC [+] {5}
pete_dushenski: "Michael Norton, a psychologist at the Harvard Business School, has found that on average, whites now view discrimination against members of their own race as a larger problem than discrimination against blacks."
pete_dushenski: ""What Trump is tapping into is the mindset of a zero-sum game," Norton said, which he called an "intuitive" way of looking at the economy and society."
pete_dushenski: ""It's hard to imagine that if we're eating a pizza, that adding more people would somehow give us more pizza. It takes a much-longer-term perspective," Norton said."
pete_dushenski: haha mkay. low-class whiteys don't have enough 'long-term perspective' and fear for their own survival in the face of a DIMINISHING trough from which MORE cattle are to eat. and this is what passes for 'harvard research' ?
pete_dushenski: "New York is by no means Mafia-free. But the mob isn’t what it once was, enfeebled by decades of police crackdowns, media attention and old age. The Mafia has been relegated largely to the realm of entertainment, just as Manhattan’s Italian culture has become a tourist attraction."
pete_dushenski: heh. even the mafiosos in american 'go metatard' at some point.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, re the eventual republican reimplementation of pgp : other than the -a armored mode, i want it to also have a -w armored mode. in this mode, it should load a list of lines from a file, modulo the message by the line count of that file, replace every numeric unit with the respective line,
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski except it doesn't grow the god damned pizza.
mircea_popescu: adding more people not only reduces the available slices through them eating it,
mircea_popescu: the options are either hand-made pizza out of wheat flour with actual anchovies, olives and proper cheese, split in 8
mircea_popescu: or else a slab of wonderbread dipped in palm oil with petrocheese and some fenyl-flavouring split in 32
mircea_popescu: yes, arguably the individual wonderbread slice is slightly larger in some measurement than the pizza slice.
mircea_popescu: the only problem with this "abundance perspective" being thgat the measure often is something as retarded as "how large the grease spot on the paper is"
mircea_popescu: shit, i never even knew pizza went in paper in the first place.
pete_dushenski: "you need xxxxx calories per day to be happy, so that's what yer gettin' "
pete_dushenski: "and here's a top-up on your Thalidomide 'scrip, we've no evidence of it being bad!"
assbot: Logged on 28-11-2015 16:33:08; mircea_popescu: anyway, my data seems to suggest that the enemy will be pushing a fork before the decade's out. whether we at that time have a counterfork ready or not is pretty much what decides the fate of the free world.
adlai: nothing stops anybody from mining with hardware they get by any means they deem fit
pete_dushenski: myeah. lol let's just leave it at 'over pete's paygrade' for now.
pete_dushenski: "A customer pulled out a gun and shot and killed an employee at a Waffle House restaurant in Mississippi on Friday after she asked him not to smoke, police said." << "for piiiiiiigleeeeet"
pete_dushenski: ""He pulled out a handgun and shot her in the head," Dobbs said."
adlai: iirc there have already been hashpower heists, not to mention mysterious "lost in tragic mining" incidents
assbot: Investors buying shares in college students: Is this the wave of the future? Purdue University thinks so. - The Washington Post ... (
http://bit.ly/1YBvvha )
assbot: Logged on 26-11-2015 16:33:28; mircea_popescu: but anyway, in proper (ie, macroeconomic) terms, this consideration is the reason, ie the absolute driver, of why society will reorganise into feudalism.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski in fairness i saw this for years in worthless dumbass "artists"
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: for the man who fancies himself an art investor but doesn't have $millions to buy rodin, rembrandt, etc., i could sorta see the temptation
pete_dushenski: "what if this derpy artsy chick is the next big thing"
mircea_popescu: as long as she sucks the cock and you buy her food, who the fuck cares what you call it.
pete_dushenski: "i'll kick myself if i don't buy the collected works of this straight-a's liberal arts student"
pete_dushenski: and if 'artist' is boy, not girl, he must find female patron. aha.
mircea_popescu: also, thinking about it, it occurs to me that the model we've been using to think about gossipd is fundamentally broken.
pete_dushenski speculates that williamdunne is now wearing this very wife-beater
mircea_popescu: there is absolutely no reason for gossipd to work on a push model of data transfer.
mircea_popescu: gossipd must work on a pull model. exactly like old ml.
adlai: mircea_popescu: i tried giving archive.is my parola, stupid monster doesn't eat cookies... any ideas?
mircea_popescu: whenever one in my wot wants to see what i'm up to he should connect to trilema, read "plain text" of the pgp -w ilk above, that's it.
mircea_popescu: what ddos ? your node works exactly like your home nat router, only allowing outbound connections.
☟︎ adlai wanted to donate a couple articles to the archive
adlai: since it runs out of the five weekly quite quick
mircea_popescu: (that's CarbonMan, before you ask. his superpower is well... super power.)
ascii_field: imho stego by its very nature ought to be a personal and various thing
mircea_popescu: i suppose here wins. anyway : the proposed scheme has exactly the advantage of alphabet
mircea_popescu: which is to say : it provides a clean, standard interface that preserves personal and various thing entirely.
mircea_popescu: in so doing it actually promotes both personal-ness and variety.
ascii_field: my ancient version of this used a modulated shannonizer
mircea_popescu: one could in principle do exactly what FM does to radio waves.
jurov: i'd do it like - with every party agree on a different corpus to be fed to shannonizer
mircea_popescu: so far we're mostly finding novel ways to use up entropy we don't really have.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo Posted on November 29, 2015 by Bingo Boingo ?
ascii_field feels suitably kicked in arse by mircea_popescu re: entropy
ascii_field: speaking of, did ben_vulpes ever plug his in ?
ascii_field: iirc i even left one of the chaps with a suitable plug
ascii_field: btw i had a fella ask me about rng at a job interview thing
ascii_field: he asked 'i get 7.9999999 bts/byte from urandom, why not from yours' and we had a chat about the idiocy of whitening
mircea_popescu: he could get 8.5 bts/byte from urandom for the same money.
ascii_field: i told him 'try feeding nulls through aes with null iv and pipe into ent'
assbot: Logged on 29-11-2015 16:36:02; mircea_popescu: what ddos ? your node works exactly like your home nat router, only allowing outbound connections.
ascii_field: ~somebody~ has to permit inbound. and he's the ddos target.
ascii_field: ~connections~ are idiocy and ought to be dispensed with entirely.
ascii_field: because a node of whom you are not a friend ought not to be distinguishable in any way whatsoever from an empty wall socket.
ascii_field: then to whom do you intend to make outbound connection ?
ascii_field: whoever accepts tcp connections is ddosable.
ascii_field: regardless of why or form whom he accepts them.
ascii_field: and permits all-comers to cost you memory (for however short a time) and not only cpu cycles.
mircea_popescu: looky. a gossipd based on the concept that you keep firewalled clients at home and they connect to a random pile of websites, which simply respond with pgp -w text
mircea_popescu: is both a lot more feasible and way cheaper than the alternative "we'll lay our own cable fu"
ascii_field: but 'handful of servers' is what we have today, and it falls over when enemy so much as sneezes at it.
ascii_field: 'server' is a braindamaged concept, period
mircea_popescu: leaving aside the theory. the model here contemplated is actually workable.
mircea_popescu: nobody cares if "fall over" because there's so damned many of them.
mircea_popescu: you can use fucking twitter for all the difference it makes.
ascii_field: not to mention the www stack (apache et all) is a massive turd
ascii_field: one of the caveats is that 'pull'-anything is susceptible to engineered slowdown
mircea_popescu: to put this morning's set of realisations in a simple, clear package : making a battleship is nowhere near as good as making a battleship out of ustard decapitated heads.
mircea_popescu: the alternative is susceptible to filtering on infrastructure you don't own.
ascii_field: this is sorta like blockchain telegraph - works great if you don't need frequent/real-time updates
ascii_field: and the passive nodes are kept abreast of the 'drop site' list
mircea_popescu: if anything real-time is truly DETRIMENTAL, if my mpex and our ba experience has taught us anything.
mircea_popescu: should be there in days rather than yerars, yes. should be there in microseconds rather than seconds ? mno.
mircea_popescu: thinking about it twitter is particularly apt for this job.
ascii_field actually prefers usenet-style conversation, and was resistant to b-a-ization initially because of it
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: sorta like the difference between meat chess and epistolary chess
mircea_popescu: the only problem with that thing is that IT makes emotion unreadable
mircea_popescu: no, it's not "the internet". it's the usenet/bbs/forum model.
BingoBoingo: ascii_field: mebbe deedbot is afraid of the gossipd similarity to usenet? Fears #b-a.tasteless?
trinque: ascii_field: it has; in this case reconnected as deedbot-- but could not auth
ascii_field has been having peculiar problems connecting, for a couplea days now
trinque: there's mention of freenode ddos in teh logz
trinque: they also tweeted something about it a few days ago
mircea_popescu: except there's no romania around to save the russians' butt this time
trinque: hm. on the other side, Crimea is a bit closer to Ankara isn't it.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field what do you think happened in teh turk-russian war ?
hanbot: BingoBoingo from mp's latest qntra lulz, "has moved on to playing with the the little rocks", double-the.
mircea_popescu: „Turcii, adunând cele mai mari mase de trupe la Plevna, ne zdrobesc. Rog să faci fusiune, demonstrațiune și, dacă se poate, să treci Dunărea cu armata după cum dorești. Între Jiu și Corabia demonstrațiunea aceasta este neapărat necesară pentru înlesnirea mișcărilor mele.” etc.
mircea_popescu: war was won by romanian troops with russian auxiliaries under romanian command. so HA!
ascii_field: uses own fork of gcc (good luck if you do embedded work)
ascii_field: and relies on proggies in ruby (!) for emacs glue
ascii_field: ... aaaand it doesn't seem to actually work
ascii_field: if anyone actually gets this to work, please say.
ascii_field: aaaaand even if it worked, it wouldn't work in header files.
ascii_field: but i pasted the link because APPARENTLY THIS IS the state of the art
mod6: ok i'll steer clear
mircea_popescu: heh. the lulzy this yes that no selection the usg does.
mircea_popescu: if you think you're "transsexual" that's a protected class. if you got allergies, fuck you.
mircea_popescu: if you're trying to get an abortion, yay! if you're trying to buy a gun BOO!!!
mircea_popescu: if you're smoking you're evil. if you're fat you're alt-beautiful.
mircea_popescu: if you're a 20something woman working in an office and you think you might have been raped by a 50 something outdoors type of guy, poor you. if you're a 50something outdoors type of guy and think you might have been raped by a 20something irs office drone, fuck you.
mircea_popescu: if you think "the patriarchy" is causing "global warming", you go on the foodstamp list. if you think government is causing the decay of society, you get on the no travel list.
mircea_popescu: at some point this'll have to be systematized, ain't nobody got time to keep track of all the retarded arbitrary shit.
☟︎ BingoBoingo: Seriously. My choices to avoid mouthbreathing until this things resolves are 1. Sign my name to the methlist 2. Placebo 3. Topical spray that can't reach site of action because of cold related fluid build up
BingoBoingo: And no. A fucking neti pot is not an option because I'm not a hippy and I don't want fucking brain parasites because this is the third world.
BingoBoingo: Apparently brewing an immediate pseudophedrine precursor (With Yeast and Dextrose!) isn't too bad. Maybe there's some way to astroturf the hippies into promoting "natural" pseudoephedrine brewing
BingoBoingo: Bullshit phenylephrine placebo with 4x side effects and 0x actual effect
jurov: luckily i so far did not need meth precursors, only *cetizine pills and benifuki tea
jurov: and the tea is expensive, tho
BingoBoingo: Ah, if I break down and sign my name to the list I'll prolly get cetirizine + pseudoephedrine but I dunno what that tea is
jurov: and i don't have ephedrine in these pills
BingoBoingo: Ah, but you have a catecholamine drug in the tea! That's the secret!
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: they come in saline-under-co2-in-a-can versions
ben_vulpes: ascii_field: i have *just* (as in the past week) located my wot's signal analyzer
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: yup. totally sterile, the way god intended it be.
ben_vulpes: once upon a time (when i still got sick, before i brought my own disease vector into the house) i dissolved some curcumin into the saline solution
ben_vulpes: stained the neilmed squeeze bottle yellow
ben_vulpes just witnessed apple deinstall a second google app from his phone
BingoBoingo: "In Rojava’s three Kurdish cantons, together comprising an area about the size of Connecticut, society is being organized according to the principles of an American anarchist-ecologist philosopher named Murray Bookchin. "
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 82 @ 0.03274926 = 2.6854 BTC [-]
trinque: municipal assemblies, which he called ‘‘democracy without the state.’’ These assemblies would form a grand confederation that would extend across all Kurdish regions of Syria, Iraq, Turkey and Iran << the old-new thing
trinque: Is the world—and this time most scandalously of all, the international left—really going to be complicit in letting history repeat itself? << bahahaha this is so painfully self-aware
assbot: Logged on 29-11-2015 20:15:06; mircea_popescu: at some point this'll have to be systematized, ain't nobody got time to keep track of all the retarded arbitrary shit.
ben_vulpes: ascii_field: i've gotten some decent mileage out of company-mode.
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: not like low class germans/usians/brits/etc. are going to do the factory jobs. all these countries have negative birth rates and huge ponzi pyramids to prop up. not like they have options OTHER than immigration.
☟︎ pete_dushenski: of course, it's mostly the lower classes who will be out-competed for entry-level positions, much to society's benefit.
pete_dushenski: otherwise, give it a few generations of complacency and mankind inevitably degenerates
pete_dushenski: "When monetizing premature mortality using EPA-recommended data, we find a social cost of ~$450m over the sales period. For the current fleet, we estimate that a return to compliance for all affected vehicles by the end of 2016 will avert ~130 early deaths and avoid ~$840m in social costs compared to a counterfactual case without recall." << lulzy volkswagen emissions 'impact research'
☟︎ ascii_field: ben_vulpes: i was looking at 'company-mode'. where does it actually get the tags ?
ben_vulpes: ascii_field: i believe that to be major-mode dependent. see 'backends'.
ascii_field: (if i can't define a symbol and have it IMMEDIATELY typecompletable, it's shit)
phf: ascii_field: i believe if you want to get company mode working with C++ you have to muck around with either clang or CEDET
ascii_field: i use gcc not only because clang is made by enemy but ONLY GCC BUILDS FOR MY ARCH
phf: ascii_field: i mostly said it to make you twitch, since i know clang is out, and CEDET is a major pain in the ass to setup. i periodically go through exercise every couple of years, and give up in disgust
ascii_field: at this point i fully believe that editor and compiler must be THE SAME PROGRAM
☟︎ ascii_field: and that what we have now makes the same amount of sense as having a separate gas and brake pedal for each of 4 wheels in a car.
phf: ascii_field: i don't know about company mode, but builtin dabbrev-expand will pull from current buffer, other buffers or else TAGS, so it sort of satisfies your request for "what i just typed should be available". but your point stands, this is not to run things
phf: there's a nice demo of Lucid xemacs based c++ environment that does all kinds of dynamic things. '95, since then, much progress.
ascii_field: for one thing, i DON'T NEED a thing that fucks with my buffer layout!!
ascii_field: for another thing, i don't ever want to have to think about the 'tags'
ascii_field: as soon as i type out a symbol, it ought to be in the completion list
ascii_field: along with anything reachable via the #include's , and any and all language keywords,
ascii_field: and any valid struct elements / class members in cpp / etc.
ascii_field: and with those visible in scope coming FIRST
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17663 @ 0.00050605 = 8.9384 BTC [+] {4}
ascii_field: (for same reason that i was not able to make the flow graph)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8787 @ 0.00051008 = 4.4821 BTC [+]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.000502 = 2.1586 BTC [-] {2}
pete_dushenski: " The unboxing channel DisneyCollector recently became the most watched YouTube show in the United States, with, at more than two million subscribers, the second largest viewership in the world. "
pete_dushenski: " For reasons unclear to most adult viewers, these short clips in which anonymous presenters who show only their hands unwrap toys appear utterly mesmerising to their tiny fans. "
ascii_field: (of an elementary kind, where maxint drones connect and sit)
pete_dushenski: for reasons unclear eh ? how about "americans are poor and can't afford to buy their kids toys, nor parent them properly and engage their kids' imaginations outside of showing them iphone videos of all the things they can't afford to buy their kids" ? sounds pretty straight-forward
pete_dushenski: "YouTube pays up to $4 (£2.47) per 1,000 views, meaning the most popular hosts can earn a substantial sum of money." << such bullshit. i bet anything this figure is from 2009.
☟︎ pete_dushenski: 1000 youtube videos currently costs <$1 to manufacture. that's a fact.
pete_dushenski: that youtube would be so wetoddhad as to pay derps posting random videos of anything 4x that is frankly inconceivable
adlai: does havelock have any wot presence?
gribble: topace was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 year, 8 weeks, 2 days, 2 hours, 57 minutes, and 36 seconds ago: <topace> heh
jurov: ^ he is not publicly affiliated anymore
jurov: kakobreklaa: maybe update b-a frontpage
jurov: !gettrust jurov enky
jurov: well, the question is, who *should* be there. definitely qntra and the foundation
trinque: motherfucker. deedbot- has been gagging on orphans for 400 blks
mircea_popescu: just because killerstorm doesn't understand what's going on doesn't mean "sophisticated devils etc"
mircea_popescu: "The question I have is why do we have to learn about it through guesswork, aren't miners themselves interested in Bitcoin being a reliable payment system?" aka "why don't people in bitcoin give a shit about people on reddit/github/tardstalk"
trinque: shinohai: nah just seems like for whatever reason, the node I was connected to started barfing orphans (maliciously? aws? who knows.)