BingoBoingo: MisterE: Post I linked though was me telling them to get a time machine, because Gox's death should be the 11th least surprising thing in Bitcoin this year.
MisterE: never get shit from the Japs
MisterE: guess that was what the Gox premium was worth
BingoBoingo: Well, the gox premium was worth an inability to withdraw fiat, the gox discount is worth an inability to withdraw BTC. The discount won in the end because People want BTC moar. Free markets at work.
lnovy: Mark might have created bitcoin futures, this will be hilarious :)
dub: the only thing japanese about gox is tux' dirty panty collection
BingoBoingo: I don't think Mark did much other than Highlight why PHP should never touch commands passed to a bitcoin deamon (hopefully not bitcoind for too much longer)
BingoBoingo: Jed though invented a lot of things, that Mark gets too much credit for.
lnovy: I don't think bitcoin public cares about that much details :)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.1175 BTC [+]
lnovy: but think about it... yes you can have your coins... for sure... in 2384 ;)
lnovy: <MagicalTux> Well, technically speaking it's not "lost" just yet, just
lnovy: temporarily unavailable"
lnovy: what _else_ could it be? :)
BingoBoingo: lnovy: The Bitcoin public is rather small.
BingoBoingo: lnovy: No. If anything the actual Bitcoin public has shrank considerably since the fall of 2012
lnovy: these are still new ages...
BingoBoingo: It is still new ages, but this week a lot of people who though they were "in" Bitcoin realized they never stopped being n00bs in spite of having been around for the great silk road bubble of 2011
lnovy: yeah... the only way to learn that the stove is hot is to get burned...
lnovy: some people just don't learn :/
d34th: i learned by putting my hand near and feeling the heat
lnovy: you don't remember :) heat is heat, pain is pain
d34th: getting burnt by a stove isnt true pain
d34th: true pain is frying bacon naked
d34th: you endure for a sweet reward at the end
lnovy: Quote #957400 is pending moderation.
BingoBoingo: The more you read on GOx the further you push pack the date where red flags became evident in retrospect.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7500 @ 0.0008816 = 6.612 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 35 @ 0.49677349 = 17.3871 BTC [+] {13}
B007: I'm glad I don't have anything in GOX
BingoBoingo: Well, If the US media was really that effective at promoting trends from Japan I would expect more emergency room visits from squid and octopus related injuries of the genitalia. Alas...
ozbot: The Cardinals Are Very Embarrassed By Carlos Martinez's Wall Of Porn
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 139 @ 0.00571849 = 0.7949 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20900 @ 0.00088473 = 18.4909 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: A team looking to invest tens of millions over a decade on a 22 year old who can throw a ball hard can't keep one of their bulls from filling their twitter wall full of white girl vaginas
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 172 @ 0.00570056 = 0.9805 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.10901011 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: At least the children who follow him on twitter now know which strike zone he finds most important though.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-]
ozbot: A Reminder – The Most Important Word in Bitcoin, Again because Gox | Bingo Blog
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.11461999 = 0.5731 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0600101 = 0.18 BTC [-]
ozbot: Rating Details for User 'MagicalTux'
mike_c: "if we don't trust him, who can we trust? ;)" hehehe
Apocalyptic: there is a strong trust link between mircea and MagicalTux btw
Apocalyptic: as he trusts nanotube with a 10 who trusts MT with a 7
mike_c: yeah, he only has 3 negative ratings.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.16230094 = 1.623 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: ;;rate MagicalTux -10 Ran an exchange that failed
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of -10 for user MagicalTux has been recorded.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.1090011 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.102102 = 0.2042 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.16230094 = 0.3246 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: ;;rate herbijudlestoids 1 n00b with graphs
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user herbijudlestoids has been recorded.
BingoBoingo: ;;rate chatquack 1 didn't make a bad irc bot
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user chatquack has been recorded.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.061 = 0.122 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.10205 = 0.2041 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.16230094 = 0.3246 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: ;;rate moiety 1 attempted the impossible, don't think other people's money was lost
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user moiety has been recorded.
mike_c: ;;rate MagicalTux -2 ran a fractional reserve exchange
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of -2 for user MagicalTux has been recorded.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.0055 = 0.275 BTC
BingoBoingo: mike_c: Remember when you asked me for a sports book recommendation?
BingoBoingo: I took most of my balance out of there. They are cutting down on their offerings a lot. No serious concerns yet, but be careful.
mike_c: hm. i will pass it along. a friend of mine was looking. thanks.
chatquack: Hey Thanks BingoBoingo. I'm glad ya like him!
BingoBoingo: chatquack: You are very welcome. Remember to scroll up and vote on the slashdot submission
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27000 @ 0.00087881 = 23.7279 BTC [-] {2}
punkman1: "I barely have enough time to eat dinner, shower, and get online to research new cryptocoins to invest in. I have no social life, but this is of my choosing because I can't be bothered to socialize and waste money on a few beers and hang out with friends/women"
BingoBoingo: Nothing of value has recently happened on a Friday or Saturday other than Altcoin's unveiling
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 70 @ 0.005701 = 0.3991 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 503 @ 0.00088989 = 0.4476 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 44 @ 0.005701 = 0.2508 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 20 @ 0.00579991 = 0.116 BTC [+] {2}
ozbot: Just-Dice From the Beginning - Btc Alpha
mike_c: BingoBoingo: check out that september. what a swing!
Apocalyptic: "Chris Moore" oh did dooglus go public with his identity at some point ? I missed that
ozbot: Chris Moore (dooglus) on Twitter
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 104 @ 0.00578999 = 0.6022 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 310 @ 0.00588245 = 1.8236 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 36 @ 0.00589 = 0.212 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: ;;rate TradeFortress -5 scammed, dunno if defaulted or robbed, but lost other people's coin
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of -5 for user TradeFortress has been recorded.
gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
gribble: Nick 'KRS-One', with hostmask 'KRS-One!~KRS1@c-50-143-86-143.hsd1.fl.comcast.net', is not identified.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 281 @ 0.00589 = 1.6551 BTC [+] {3}
gribble: Nick 'KRS1', with hostmask 'KRS1!~KRS1@c-50-143-86-143.hsd1.fl.comcast.net', is not identified.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 86 @ 0.00589997 = 0.5074 BTC [+] {2}
Bugpowder: zerohedge @zerohedge MT. GOX SUBPOENAED BY U.S. PROSECUTOR
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 19 @ 0.00589997 = 0.1121 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 71 @ 0.00572005 = 0.4061 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 760 @ 0.00589998 = 4.484 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14700 @ 0.00088292 = 12.9789 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.0059 = 0.295 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 22 @ 0.0059 = 0.1298 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15700 @ 0.00088238 = 13.8534 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 233 @ 0.0059 = 1.3747 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 30 @ 0.0059 = 0.177 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00088221 = 8.9985 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 45 @ 0.0059 = 0.2655 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.10888889 = 0.98 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.16230094 = 0.3246 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12851 @ 0.00088534 = 11.3775 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.499 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 41 @ 0.0059 = 0.2419 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 72 @ 0.0059 = 0.4248 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.49945 = 0.9989 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 26 @ 0.00585 = 0.1521 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 50 @ 0.00534787 = 0.2674 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 73 @ 0.00535 = 0.3906 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0605 = 0.121 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 400 @ 0.00584 = 2.336 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK:NEOBEE] 1D: 0.00415000 / 0.00555781 / 0.00598000 (64684 shares, 359.50132705 BTC), 7D: 0.00278000 / 0.00428233 / 0.00598000 (330230 shares, 1414.15426935 BTC), 30D: 0.00257150 / 0.00391709 / 0.00598000 (453584 shares, 1776.72765874 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36900 @ 0.0008861 = 32.6971 BTC [+] {4}
Jere_Jones: getting eulora to build on windows is a serious pita
nubbins`: getting it to build on osx is a serious pita
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 170 @ 0.00585 = 0.9945 BTC [+]
nubbins`: Jere_Jones: had to get my hands a bit dirty and start modifying code
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 34 @ 0.00585 = 0.1989 BTC [+]
Jere_Jones: I'm still fighting with the configure. I have to add a line to touch a file every couple hundred lines because windows is dumb about empty sets.
ThickAsThieves: ;;rate MagicalTux -10 Caused my father-in-law to call my wife worried about whether I got out of bitcoin before it died.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of -10 for user MagicalTux has been recorded.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 166 @ 0.00584 = 0.9694 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: ;;rate MagicalTux -10 wanted everybody's personal information, offered none of its
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user MagicalTux has changed from -10 to -10.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 29 @ 0.00584241 = 0.1694 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21950 @ 0.0008813 = 19.3445 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 23 @ 0.00585 = 0.1346 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Oh a wired writer is getting into a conversation
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 19 @ 0.00585 = 0.1112 BTC [+]
gribble: You rated user mtgox on Sun Nov 24 23:57:46 2013, with a rating of -10, and supplied these additional notes: sucks.
nubbins`: mention about that guy sudelis or whatever redacting the pdf himself
ozbot: Mt. Gox Receives Subpoena From Federal Prosecutor: Source - WSJ.com
nubbins`: i saw his name in an associated press article today
joecool: ;;rate MagicalTux -9 the single largest contributing factor to negative press on bitcoin and the lack trust of the community, not -10 because kalyhost hasn't burned me yet and I have a bet riding on you going to jail
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user MagicalTux has changed from -3 to -9.
mircea_popescu: joecool lol amusingly i think i wrote last year about how mtgox is the one single worst thing in btc.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: That article is part of the bit I am trying to get on slashdot nao
punkman1: wait, someone uses karpeles' hosting?
mircea_popescu: punkman1 that's nothing, sometimes i see people in btc on linode.
joecool: it's funny how small and quiet the support channel is for it too
joecool: MT is still sitting in there
ozbot: 3.130 billion | Next Diff in 435 blocks | Estimated Change: 20.0629% in 2d 9h 53m 33s
[\]: I wouldn't put too much stock in it
[\]: mircea_popescu: .boobies
joecool: [\\\]: does he have it issuing commands regularly, i have not seen idle time of over 2 hours ever
Apocalyptic: ""At this stage the relevant financial authorities, the police, the Finance Ministry and others are gathering information on the case,""
dexX7: joecool: it's silent, because the channel is muted
ozbot: Japan authorities looking into closure of Mt. Gox bitcoin exchange
mircea_popescu: god forbid they fucking read trilema gathered shit at THAT stage.
joecool: dexX7: not the channel i'm talking about :)
joecool: #mtgox has 625, this channel has 12
BingoBoingo: Eh, Imma trying to get that April 2013 Trilema on Slashdot, but... weeknights are hard
ozbot: Japan authorities looking into closure of Mt. Gox bitcoin exchange
ozbot: Japan authorities looking into closure of Mt. Gox bitcoin exchange
[\]: as if we didn't have that link already
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16700 @ 0.00087924 = 14.6833 BTC [-] {2}
jcpham: that wickedfire thread is a good read
[\]: good thing gox has all of pirate's coins.
[\]: I know, because copumpkin is still screwing his sister.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23400 @ 0.00087998 = 20.5915 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.10801828 = 1.1882 BTC [-] {4}
jcpham: he would've moved to stamp ages ago
[\]: jcpham: because copumpkin screwed her.
BingoBoingo: I though they had Pirate's dollars, because I remember his runaway fail halving value from two digit USD to one digit USD
[\]: then she became your mother, not your sister.
[\]: nah, she swallows now
mircea_popescu: [\\\] what mtgox does have is all that's left of bitcoinica coins
jcpham: copumpkin you FUCKED MY SISTER?!?!
jcpham: mircea_popescu i'm thinking mtgox is scam
[\]: guess its time to set up a new asset on glbse to sell gox debt
[\]: where's goat when you need him? he's good at that.
jcpham: havelock requires credentials
[\]: jcpham: keepass will make as many credentials that you need
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD last: 135.0, vol: 0.00000000 | Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 562.99, vol: 104844.03125090 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 552.861, vol: 64325.15053 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 564.25, vol: 82686.21481199 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 562.8768, vol: 24690.89200000 | Volume-weighted last average: 561.000604912
jcpham: [\\\] did you check out teespring
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 250 @ 0.0059 = 1.475 BTC [+]
[\]: I figured someone beat me to market
jcpham: same thing as the thing you were doing
jcpham: but you can crowd fund the hirt
[\]: do they accept bitcoins and allow me to make a large markup?
jcpham: so like it's paul graham YC thing
nubbins`: i accept bitcoins and allow you to make a large markup
BingoBoingo: Maybe someone can pull a Deprived SYN.GOX vs. ACK.GOX
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 31 @ 0.0059 = 0.1829 BTC [+]
[\]: now the ideas been hatched
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: How much do you charge for bespoke t-shirts again?
nubbins`: BingoBoingo: depends on quantity ;D
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Singles + unique art. Baseball season is coming up. I need a goal to gamble that purse up to.
nubbins`: a single shirt with a one-color print is around $75
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: So If I also commisioned you to art it up on top of that how much could a t-shirt cost?
jcpham: we need to get like a simple site online asap for it
jcpham: i'm setting up a shopify site now for it
KRS1: <MagicaITux> guys dont worry gox is coming back buy more btc
nubbins`: design is $45/h, so it depends what you're looking for
jcpham: single color. single color logo
jcpham: i can zinodaur to do something
jcpham: let's see if he's online
jcpham: what time is it in romania
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: A Bulldozer, fuelled by whiskey and regret. I'm not ordering until baseball makes the money, but I need a goal to bet to.
nubbins`: call it an even $150 and i'll print you extras out of the change
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Ans what if we skip the T-shirt and print on fancy bedsheets for a toga instead?
BingoBoingo: I wonder if actual Tyrian purple is still a thing
nubbins`: i'd have to price the sheets, what sort of thread count does sir require?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.0008788 = 4.394 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: SInce we are pricing for the impending baseball seasons lets assume no threads, all Chamois
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 175 @ 0.0059 = 1.0325 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.10800014 = 0.432 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: I'd go to all of the Toga partys in the Midwest and get all of the well entitted 19 year olds
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 65 @ 0.0059 = 0.3835 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.10800027 = 1.728 BTC [+] {4}
BingoBoingo: KRS1: Thinking a bit less european and quite a bit trashier
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13450 @ 0.00088478 = 11.9003 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 344 @ 0.00586511 = 2.0176 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 350 @ 0.0058487 = 2.047 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 147 @ 0.0055 = 0.8085 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 60 @ 0.00583695 = 0.3502 BTC [-] {2}
ozbot: Twitter / DadBoner: Kroger manager said, "Did you ...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 56 @ 0.00577674 = 0.3235 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: hehe writing an article right now, knee deep in the clouds and whatnot.
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
cads: hey mircea_popescu, is there a simple terms explanation for what it means for a brownian process B(t) to be adapted relative to a filtration F_t? I understand that it means that for each t B(t) is F_t measurable, that is, B(t) is always fully measurable against the data F_t carries. In particular we do not require events available only to some future refinement F_s of the filtration.
cads: I'm wondering where does the filtration come from to begin with.
cads: I think I could see that the family of stopping times of a given process might let us create a filtration that other processes could be adapted to.
cads: Oh, all processes have natural filtrations.
BingoBoingo: Well, one thing I remember vividly from undergrad is that the nepali students were some of the chillest people on campus, but woe unto the football player who took a fancy to a Nepali girl and was then introduced to a cricket bat.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 75 @ 0.0058 = 0.435 BTC [+]
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of -10 for user MagicalTux has been recorded.
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
mircea_popescu: "Effective immediately, we are discontinuing all business operations pending a business model review. At this time we are unsure when, and if we will resume operations in the future."
BingoBoingo: Vircurex used AurumExchange for USD and EU deposits
BingoBoingo: Well, AurumExchange was one of those liberty reserve outposts.
BingoBoingo: Bitpay was willing to pay into them so they at least had a bong
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1169 @ 0.00573669 = 6.7062 BTC [-] {8}
MisterE: any of you get burned on your shorts yesterday?
MisterE: KRS1: I'm looking at you :p
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 2500 @ 0.00084022 = 2.1006 BTC [-] {8}
MisterE: seems reasonable, it is a nuisance
ozbot: 3.130 billion | Next Diff in 429 blocks | Estimated Change: 19.9917% in 2d 8h 50m 18s
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 355 @ 0.00584348 = 2.0744 BTC [+] {3}
MisterE: BingoBoingo: what you up to?
BingoBoingo: MisterE: Enjoying sweet Gox death and hoping for Slashot victory
MisterE: heh I guess that makes 2 of us
MisterE: and update on the /. front?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15700 @ 0.00087927 = 13.8045 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2808 @ 0.0008788 = 2.4677 BTC [-]
ozbot: A compendium of basic points about Bitcoin for the benefit of various confused noobs. pe Trilema - U
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6292 @ 0.00087803 = 5.5246 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 128 @ 0.00088929 = 0.1138 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.005879 = 0.294 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 200 @ 0.0008891 = 0.1778 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.132 BTC [+]
nubbins`: actually got eulora compiled! but forgot to install a ton of required crystalspace libraries... so didn't get much other than a white screen with "welcome to eulora 0.0.4"
BingoBoingo: The april 2013 trilema article on GOx is about to make slashdot frontpage.
nubbins`: yeah mike_c is sorting out hosting, i've got a saucy domain name reg'd
BingoBoingo: I mean unless @magicaltux does the manual sorting
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 34 @ 0.0047 = 0.1598 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: " Sunt chelneri cari, dupa cat au prins pe apucate din dezbaterile si conferintele intelectualilor, pot face mart pe un profesor de universitate, mai ales daca l-or lua repede."
mircea_popescu: "there are waiters who, from all they've heard from conversations and debates of intellectuals, could put away a university professor, especially should they proceed quickly"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6675 @ 0.00087803 = 5.8609 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1673 @ 0.00018499 = 0.3095 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: mart specifically refers to the loss in backgammon when you lose without having taken out any of your own pieces.
ozbot: Twitter / bobmcmillan: "Having Mt. Gox shut down is ...
ozbot: Matters of Merchant Adoption | When Bitcoin Met Pete
bitcoinpete: Hardly revelatory, but it's a reassessment of sorts of my previous notion that one should ever try to make "bitcoin more accessible"
bitcoinpete: Which was a strange mental default I had to correct
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Can they build any other way?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Not advantageous enough yet?
mircea_popescu: bitfinex (the thing which now is misreported as > 30% of the bitcoin average usd price)
mircea_popescu: is built out of taking the leaked bitcoinica sources and running them
mircea_popescu: they were (illegally) leaked by amir taaki, who in he process exposed sensitive passwords
mircea_popescu: and in no case was he authorised to "make open source" the codebase
mircea_popescu: which is currently the only asset some new zealand executor has to try and repay the creditors
mircea_popescu: (mtgox also had some funds held "in escrow" from that debacle,
mircea_popescu: which it had been consistently refused to turn out to said executor)
BingoBoingo: I dunno that I'd have made it out of a decent glass jar. I mean I initially came here from Bitcointalk
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the reason i always encourage people to read the history is quite this : endlessly fascinatingly amusing thing.
bitcoinpete: going to bubble tea, yup, bubble tea… be back
benkay: never figured that tone out
BingoBoingo: So many mistakes I could have made, but so much more money I could have had even losing to those mistakes
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00087922 = 8.6164 BTC [+]
nubbins`: "hey, why reinvent the wheel?"
BingoBoingo: I am the wheel, you seriously don't want to deal with me. You need to reinvent me.
ozbot: A compendium of basic points about Bitcoin for the benefit of various confused noobs. pe Trilema - U
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the cribbed source was interesting, yes, in the way of humor.
MisterE: what is cribbed in American?
mircea_popescu: have you read the leaked discussions about the historical operation of bitcoinica ?
mircea_popescu: it;s linked from the recent mtgox article, because it's the same pattern
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo ironically... relics ? scavenger world ? thermodynamically doomed ?
mircea_popescu: this, incidentally, is the core and the whole of nsa's value proposition : people sign, subtly, but definitely, what they do.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13400 @ 0.00088029 = 11.7959 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: course in a sense nsa as it is stands in a relation to nsa-as-thus-described about roughly as that merry bunch of Meriwether's thieves stood with THEIR sensible value proposition
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Any sporting analogy is best as a baseball analogy, the greatest precision is there. Even if the metric is love of the cunts
mircea_popescu: as explained in
http://trilema.com/2012/the-problem-of-too-much-money/ : "LTCM collected over one billion dollars in capital. If you’ve been following up to here you probably have a question in your mind : what in the world were they going to do with a billion of their own money ? Good question. The fund had access to heavy leverage, as high as 100:1 in many cases. One billion leveraged 100:1 means one hundred billio
mircea_popescu: n, and turn it any way you please there’s not going to be room for deplyoing a hundred billion in capital for the purpose of arbitraging minute differences between the 29 y T and the current T. There just can’t be.
mircea_popescu: So they started dicking around with stock options, betting on mergers, the works. "
mircea_popescu: basically, they had a good idea, got too much resources, fucked up.
BingoBoingo: This is wy I bet on sporting events, I know I can lose.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell bitcoinpete you should get into the wot and remind me to put you in the bloglist sometime.
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell chatquack I put you in the WOT start blogging already
nubbins`: crystal space is a massive build
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: I am starting this baseball betting venture with one hundredth of a bitcoin. Remember that I can not help it if appreciation makes the logistics you dislike a reality.
Jere_Jones: I found building CS to be the easy part.
nubbins`: BingoBoingo, i'm pretty zen about most things
ozbot: BitBet - BTC/USD at MtGox will be above $150 on Mar 1st 2014
nubbins`: Jere_Jones: easy, just takes so long
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: And the weighting is the best part
BingoBoingo: The right answer is obvious, but betting agaisnt it can't pay
nubbins`: thank fuck for macports, i wouldn't have gotten anywhere with apple's fork of LLVM
mircea_popescu: nubbins` you ever found the problem or just nonspecific kludge ?
nubbins`: never nailed it down, was easier to just install gcc-4.6 and use that
nubbins`: no sense trying to bring a totally different toolchain into the mix
ozbot: German Court decision: Legal authority and deep power implications | vox
mircea_popescu: germanz just ruled ecb may not act as lender of last resort.
mircea_popescu: "It’s tempting to dismiss the decision as incomprehensible legalese or the inability of justices to understand that contemporary financial systems rely on a powerful lender or dealer of last resort to weather financial crises."
mircea_popescu: " this is a bid for power and the return to the pre-crisis paradigm of "
mircea_popescu: basically the consensus of idiots in fiat is that somehow magically the laws of nature have been cancelled for the sake of convenience.
chetty: idiots think man can overrule nature with their 'laws'
BingoBoingo: On that last .bait I see tits, but there is also a screaming cyst that needs lanced and dranied
mircea_popescu: "Founder @dailymuse, YC alum, Inc 15 Women to Watch in Tech 2012, Advisor @hackbright, Productivity expert, Parisian, Former McKinsey, avid cyclist"
mircea_popescu: i wonder what the thought process is when some chick ends up putting on her 2 line resume "i was a X to watch in 2102"
mircea_popescu: doesn't the observation that "soo... if i had been watching you since 2012 i'd have seen nothing ?" come to them at all ?
mircea_popescu: but i mean if you have two alcoholic bums sitting on a garbage dumpster somewhere
mircea_popescu: and the other who is an alumni of "15 aluminum salesmen to watch in 2012"
nubbins`: armpit? i think that's not a cyst
nubbins`: i had a massive cyst on my back once
MisterE: mircea_popescu: ime most people are dumb until proven otherwise
MisterE: happens nubbins` thats not a bad lace
nubbins`: when it finally got drained there was like a shot glass full of stuff pulled out of it
BingoBoingo: Maybe irritation, but definitely inflamed more than the prominence of the humerous calls for
MisterE: BingoBoingo: what's up I was a paramedic for 3-years
ozbot: Twitter / CharlieShrem: Just created a #dogecoin wallet ...
MisterE: nubbins`: that's nothing, when I had to do my prctical training hours I helped to drain a lot of cysts and some produce by the liter
BingoBoingo: I dun want to fight credentials, but it look's like there are already two candidate sinuses
MisterE: man you have no idea the smells of the human body
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MisterE: one of the worst run was a girl who accidentally blew half her boyfriend's head off with a .44 at a shooting range, was totally prepared for smell
MisterE: those 44s have a very soft pul
nubbins`: speaking of smells of the human body, one of my roommates took a shit this morning and left a streak on the toilet seat
MisterE: you should leave a streak on his pillow
nubbins`: he says "i don't think so... but i'll clean it when i get home from work"
nubbins`: as if we'd just leave it there for 10 hours
MisterE: he doesn't sound like a total jerk
nubbins`: mircea_popescu, wife and 2 others
nubbins`: they're rarely home. haven't seen one of them in 3 weeks
MisterE: lol I like how he incudes the wife
MisterE: as if shecould be out for not paying rent :D
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: silk road 3.11 for workgroups
nubbins`: i think that's what it's at now?
nubbins`: MisterE: hey, she owns all the bitcoins
nubbins`: i might be the one out when they hit 5k ;D
BingoBoingo: I honestly want to take bets on what would culture out of that cyst
MisterE: what a loss to science and society
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It is a long shot, but it fits the armpit environment well as a genus
mircea_popescu: speaking of which : pseudomonas putida is the first living thing that was "patented" according to the us courts.
MisterE: Stupid Harvard MBA is stupid
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benkay: may the patenteers all find themselves impaled on golden spikes
BingoBoingo: I was kind of hoping someone would catch that
mircea_popescu: this thing is valuable because it can break down pretty much anything
mircea_popescu: it can live off caffeine. it can break down polystyrene
mircea_popescu: generaly pseudomonas sp is a good bet for BingoBoingo's purposes cause they're pretty metabolically diverse.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: indeed any culture platter they can own enough to make their genetic markers known.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: i'm to see you for a login account?
ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
nubbins`: it picks up mouse clicks but not keyboard input -- but it's very late and i think i've earned a nap, will poke some more tomorrow
BingoBoingo: pseudomonas does indeed lead to some nasty opportunistic infections though
BingoBoingo: Of the sort where painting on Staph Aureus and hoping for the best seems like a sheat from heaven.
bitcoinpete: Do any of the -asseters live in Brussels or London by chance? I'm heading to Brussels tomorrow and London by the weekend. Have some free time
gribble: Error: "<bitcoinpete>" is not a valid command.
gribble: Nick 'bitcoinpete', with hostmask 'bitcoinpete!~bitcoinpe@S01060016cbc6cced.ed.shawcable.net', is not identified.
bitcoinpete: for php registration is the "pgp long id" the fingerprint, key id, or something else…?
Duffer1: is that what you're asking?
gribble: Error: "puppies.txt" is not a valid command.
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gribble: Request successful for user bitcoinpete, hostmask bitcoinpete!~bitcoinpe@S01060016cbc6cced.ed.shawcable.net. Your challenge string is: freenode:#bitcoin-otc:18734ee36446b6cc0398dc32a80c3bb1d3217aad8b2666f6ab017248
Duffer1: what did you find out this weekend BingoBoingo?
BingoBoingo: I knew my apartment was shitty, but not like kill experts in shitty apartments kind of shitty
BingoBoingo: Kind of makes me regret not taking the plaster off of the walls
BingoBoingo: Also, I used to like to park in those spots
Duffer1: reading about Counterparty atm
BingoBoingo: Cool, better not be that shitty faux coin version
Duffer1: the caliber of the assets assimilated blogs is impressive
Duffer1: it would be nice to see it mentioned in #bitcoin-assets Topic
bit14: what's going on with havelock
ozbot: Assets Assimilated
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bitcoinpete: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:97d9f908fe5dc08ba4be74efe1b4430c5e68d071e34fbed3e1771a9d
gribble: Registration successful. You are now authenticated for user bitcoinpete with key 165749929F9A6BDD
BingoBoingo: I still reload slashdot compulsively for the money
ozbot: People have made blogs pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
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BingoBoingo: i TA's for pharmacy school so undergrads were in bounds, other grad students were inbounds.
BingoBoingo: Which is kind of a shame cause this Jessie chick had great tits
BingoBoingo: OH, it was such a shithole, but not being from missouti made the sex so easy
BingoBoingo: If that were a pharm student not quite one I'd get fired over, but still one I'd offer salt to to melt their ice
bit14: ->just that it's down
bit14: have you seen the log
ozbot: My Conversation with Mark Karpeles of MtGox - Page 2 - WickedFire - Affiliate Marketing Forum - Int
bitcoinpete: off to brussels in the morning. cheers for now
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I thought moiety was in Glasgow
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BingoBoingo: Slashdot has denied me for hours, but they cannot do so indefinitely
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bit14: havelock has been down for over 6 hours now, does this happen often?
bit14: I assume they didn't run and it's early AM in canada, but still
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cazalla: shrem seems to think that leaked document is legit
Duffer1: didn't shrem also think that gox was fundamentally sound and not insolvent?
cazalla: i think that was prior to that document leaking, latest episode of lets talk bitcoin has shrem on it, interesting listen
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wao-ender: "Database seems down. Sorry about that. We've been notified about the problem. Please try again later.
bit14: they're called the Panama fund I think, but I thought they were canadian
Duffer1: they were based in canada during the acquisition, no idea if the principles/office/servers have moved though
bit14: The Panama Fund, S.A
bit14: Republic of Panama
bit14: company could be registered there, but staff might be elsewhere
Duffer1: odd timing for server issues, i wonder if they held reserves at gox
bit14: it's 5am in panama, so maybe they're just asleep, crossing fingers
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Namworld: The old owner, Topace, was Canadian I think. Now it moved. Where the staff is located, I do not know.
ozbot: View the profile of lightbox
bit14: looks like this guy was/is the owner
Namworld: yeah, he was. Known as Topace in IRC
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ozbot: Tin cans filled with $10 million in gold coins found buried in California |
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ozbot: Choosing a Secure Password - Boing Boing
jurov: if i had doubts he's nsa shill, now i have none
davout: "A typical password consists of a root plus an appendage." <<< bwhahaha
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ThickAsThieves: omg boingboing.net hurts my eyes, it also doesn't show any text on my android tablet
Namworld: I have a mix of letters, numbers and special chars. Strangely enough, I don't seem to have a problem remembering most of them.
dexX7: i don't know my passwords and trust keepass
Namworld: Saying your password is a random mix of characters doesn't help much. So it's not really a hint.
Namworld: You remove non-random stuff. You have less than 0.1% of possibilities eliminated. Congratulations. Still requires bruteforcing it.
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MisterE: wtf LTC went over 40 today?
Namworld: So many people think MtGox is Bitcoin.
ozbot: Bitcoin Transaction e6d4cfbbc45b5e3cfcfa36613b04a8732c7b4606f5dbbd8af3ba06d8f3899fc2
Duffer1: just imagine if blockchain.info goes down
Duffer1: the blockchain is down!1234
dexX7: luckily there is www.blockr.io now
adrrrr: dexX7: what are these vanity adress, I thought we can choose only few characters
dexX7: you don't need the privkey, simply send it to whateveraddress+checksum
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adrrrr: dexX7: so it will create the public key?
dexX7: try to think of making a phonecall to a number that is not in use.. will work, right? even if you dial funny numbers?
adrrrr: "it" is the transaction
adrrrr: a phone number that is not in use will not even ring
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bit14: looks like havelock is finally back up
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deadweasel: "Pretty much anything that can be remembered can be cracked." From Schneier piece.
adrrrr: yeah 24h we heard things about password ! thx
ozbot: MtGox Saga Continues - Update 25 Feb 2014 - YouTube
deadweasel: yeah 24h we heard things about mtgox ! thx
adrrrr: you should watch it instead of mocking ;)
deadweasel: i don't even know what I just, I was just mirroring you.
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mircea_popescu: well no i don't mean work in the sense of doing something useful
mircea_popescu: i mean work in the sense of being in a constrained space with a bunch of idiots where you gotta watch what's on your screen
ozbot: First contagious WiFi computer virus goes airborne | The Daily Caller
Bugpowder: I thought there was that virus that spreads via the speaker (or was that BS).
cazalla: the one that could jump airgapped systems?
Bugpowder: I am really impressed with the level of optimism people are expressing towards Gox reopening. IMPRESSED. I hear there are 3 suitors vying for the right to purchase Mt. Gox's brand and 650,000 BTC debt.
mircea_popescu: take it as a measure of just how badly hurt the foundation scamnest is by this defeat in the field
mircea_popescu: they rheally thought they're somebody worth something.
Bugpowder: Someone needs to shop a Karp / HOPE poster
cazalla: you know why i hate vessenes
cazalla: well i do but for different reasons that you
Bugpowder: CoinLab was more mismanaged than Gox, they just died earlier so they couldn't cause as big a monetary fuckup.
cazalla: on a panel, he ruined it because he had the microphone practically in his mouth and you couldn't hear the other panelists due to his heavy breathing
mircea_popescu: i don't actually hate the guy, i just dislike him because he's very inept strategically and we kinda need to purge the stupid.
cazalla: anyone that abset minded on microphone etiquette sends me into a rage
nubbins`: oh, right, i think that was tat
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mircea_popescu: cazalla this is kind of sad, incidentally, because it's roughly like a stripper with bad genital hygiene
mircea_popescu: all the guy ever does is derp about in the conference freakshow, you'd expect he has at least the basics of that profession down pat.
mircea_popescu: imagine a truck driver that can't drive double clutch.
cazalla: i sent him an email but he didn't respond
nubbins`: i had a professor once who could only speak in a whisper and so brought a mic to class and amplified it so heavily you could hear him swallow his spit
nubbins`: he would freeze if anyone made a sound (like opening a bookbag, etc)
mircea_popescu: at the one uni where i sort-of flirted with academia, this was banned on campus.
mircea_popescu: the rector guy was like "if you can't speak you can't be a university professor."
mircea_popescu: i always respected that guy. occasionally obnoxious but he had what you'd need from a rector : fucking rectitude.
nubbins`: one day (this was a logic course), the poor guy (ancient chinese man) was dreaming up an example for some logical fallacy
nubbins`: "statement one: all cats have four legs"
nubbins`: "statement two: some cats dig my music"
mircea_popescu: nubbins` btw, you know the "great generals" machine learning fiasco ?
mircea_popescu: this is probably apocriphal as such, but it is reflective of various actual events. normally it's retold as
mircea_popescu: "at mit, they made this self-learning machine which would try to make deductions sylogistically on a dictionary of natural language constructs
mircea_popescu: they let it run overnight, among the conclusions it had arrived to by morning was "napoleon had an infinite number of arms"
☟︎ mircea_popescu: the thought process being, napoleon was a great general, great generals are forewarned, being forewarned is like having an extra pair of arms,
nubbins`: why do you think he was so short!
mircea_popescu: four is an odd number of arms for a man to have, the only both odd and even number is infinity
nubbins`: "being forewarned is being forearmed"
nubbins`: "In the chat, Karpeles says the leaked document was not produced by Mt. Gox, but he admits that there is some truth to it."
nubbins`: mildly surprised anyone believed that was a legit doc
nubbins`: wanted to make a name for himself, and it worked. associated press splashed his name across the globe
nubbins`: just so happens that he faked the doc at a time when everybody was ready to accept a poor fake as legit
cazalla: nubbins` are you sure it's fake, shrem suggested it might have been karpeles partner who drafted it due to poor english
nubbins`: i'm not sure, but i mean, did you read it?
nubbins`: who's going to draft an internal memo that flatly states "we don't deserve to run a business"?
cazalla: yes but shrem and levine from LTB confirmed they knew some of what is in the pdf is factual prior to it being leaked
nubbins`: sure, so why did this selkis guy decide to redact page 8?
nubbins`: why would you redact a bunch of numbers on a document about a failing exchange -- a document that you're releasing
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: the redactions were black highlights. you could copypasta them.
mircea_popescu: not proposing any of the foregoing as factual or anything, merely exploring teh theory of it.
nubbins`: black highlights added to the pdf by selkis himself
mircea_popescu: nubbins` point in case as to the "we don't deserve to run a business" thing
cazalla: maybe he was asked to redact it by whoever gave it to him to leak because if it was given to potential investors, they might not want the financials out there
nubbins`: selkis is the "blogger" who "leaked" the document.
nubbins`: oh, wait, i see what you're saying
nubbins`: because it says so in the file
mircea_popescu: so this guy is going to be forever remembered as the pdf highlights tard ?
ozbot: Ryan Selkis is full of shit - Imgur
nubbins`: the pdf software he did the fake redactions in put his fucking name on them
nubbins`: of course none of the news articles mentioning selkis talk about this
mircea_popescu: fucking hell i can read the original THROUGH the blackl
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cazalla: if it was fake, who gave him the legit information to mix with his bs?
nubbins`: what do you mean, gave? the numbers don't even add up
cazalla: the re-branding etc, shrem confirmed he knew of this weeks ago
nubbins`: mircea_popescu that's why the whole thing is so curious
mircea_popescu: pity something awful got all butthurt and humiliated and discontinued buttcoin
nubbins`: some anon blogger "is sent" a doc, black-highlights a bunch of gibberish math, makes a reddit post
nubbins`: next thing ya know gox decides "well, now's as good a time as any"
cazalla: but parts of the document are factual nubbins`
nubbins`: parts of the bible are factual.
ozbot: Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: "And thought he knew better." ...
mircea_popescu: i hope shrem hit him over the head because had he stfu i'd have not said anything either.
mircea_popescu: i wonder generally how many people realise that stupendously stupid "pr" actually has a marked negative cost
nubbins`: curious to see what 2-bit idiot has to say about his redactions
mircea_popescu: like say the misadventures of those pretend-gambling guys mpoe-pr laid into a week ago
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ozbot: Calling out CasinoBitco.in
cazalla: they added all their privately held shares to havelock the other week
cazalla: didn't mention it though until people pointed it out asking wtf
mircea_popescu: well obviously all the nonsense barrage was destined to help them fuck some more noobs over.
mircea_popescu: @SpiegelPeter · 2h "Kremlin's jealous & intolerant eye can distinguish only vassals & enemies; neighbors, if they dont wish 2 be one, must be the other”-Kennan
mircea_popescu: @Mircea_Popescu This is pretty well equally true of the US. The EU is one of the few sane players and the US press is slamming them for it
mircea_popescu: @SpiegelPeter I don't recall US ever sending tanks into Canada. Does chasing Pancho Villa = Hungary 1956, Prague 1968, Afghanistan 1979?
nubbins`: he doesn't recall the usa and canada being at war?
mircea_popescu: @SpiegelPeter Is Syria a neighbour of the US? You may want to re-read original Kennan quote.
mircea_popescu: @Mircea_Popescu Yes, it borders on the US province of Iraq. You may wish to drop the weasel act, we're adults, we can see through bs.
mircea_popescu: and now he's going to be upset because i called him a weasel
mircea_popescu: like you know, having your idiocy made a point of public mockery in the forum is immediate license to disengage and pretent like you were slighted
Duffer1: "Kremlin's jealous & intolerant eye can distinguish only vassals & enemies; neighbors, if they dont wish 2 be one, must be the other”-Kennan
Duffer1: mircea_popescu@Mircea_Popescu This is pretty well equally true of the US. >>> Cuba is a great example to offer
Duffer1: at least, closer to physical home than iraq
mircea_popescu: no because the standard magically is "the us never sent tanks there"
mircea_popescu: notwithstanding that russia didn't send any tanks in the ukraine, either
ozbot: Bay of Pigs Invasion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
cazalla: lead to that after reading the CIA rumoured to have run a bank here in Australia
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cazalla: at least in the aus bank case
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ozbot: Bay of Pigs Invasion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
mircea_popescu: because random US agent of influence in Brussels slash fuckwit says so.
cazalla: heh Invasion day, that's what they call Australia Day although I prefer to call it Conquerors Day
nubbins`: i'll be close to brussels this summer
cazalla: going to bed, give me something good to read with morning coffee :)
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
Duffer1: i don't see why they would do that unless they're planning an invasion or reinstallation of Yanuk
Duffer1 will try to remember to read linked article first next time
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mircea_popescu: russia is very badly landlocked, they can't survive without ports.
nubbins`: and vladivostok is a LONG train ride from moscow & st petersburg
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ozbot: How Covert Agents Infiltrate the Internet to Manipulate, Deceive, and Destroy Reputations - The Inte
pankkake: the schneier proposal was so… tame. almost sounded like politicians creating commissions to solve problems
pankkake: "This is a radical solution" lol
nubbins`: is that an article about people leaving "-10 scammer faggot" ratings on -otc? ;D
pankkake: I hope government agents have more talent
nubbins`: twist: GCHQ stole pdf from gox and leaked it via their agent selkis
mircea_popescu: it's kind-of becoming a fun sport these days tho, find agents twist their arms.
mircea_popescu: kinda sitting ducks because they're slaves to their talking points
mircea_popescu: and really as entry level bureaucrats... how smart can they be ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.13587998 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 299 @ 0.0059 = 1.7641 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 219 @ 0.0059 = 1.2921 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 3689 @ 0.00590063 = 21.7674 BTC [+] {7}
ozbot: Frequently Asked Questions | Counterparty | Crypto-Financial Market
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 87 @ 0.00597798 = 0.5201 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 224 @ 0.005978 = 1.3391 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 828 @ 0.00597969 = 4.9512 BTC [+] {4}
Duffer1: never heard about it until i was catching up on my daily actm drama this morning
ThickAsThieves: counterparty is one of those things like mastercoin right
ThickAsThieves: "Having only one currency that can be used for betting makes bet-matching simpler and easier (and more likely). The currency for making bets cannot be BTC, because the Counterparty protocol cannot debit BTC from a user’s address."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.102 = 0.204 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 30 @ 0.00597999 = 0.1794 BTC [+]
pankkake: I wonder if the UI is just a photoshop thing for now
Duffer1: synesthesia read actm, smell poop
ozbot: Scientists Discover a New State of Matter in the Last Place You’d Ever Think to Look | TheBlaze.co
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 231 @ 0.00597999 = 1.3814 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 660 @ 0.00598 = 3.9468 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 75 @ 0.00597999 = 0.4485 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18371 @ 0.00088484 = 16.2554 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 138 @ 0.00598 = 0.8252 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: Well, I guess years of reading them taught me their copywriting style
ozbot: Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: @SpiegelPeter I get it, you ...
Bugpowder: Nice to see you getting back into twitter.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00598 = 0.299 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: i abandoned it cca 2012 cause they made it js-unusable.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves you missed the huge argument with anil dash coupla days ago ?
mircea_popescu: guy ended up asking me about what music i like and so forth.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.102 = 0.714 BTC [-]
nubbins`: i'm only here because you guys all like Talking Heads
mircea_popescu: if only mr Y asked the demonstrator ppl what music they liked....
Bugpowder: Why would one want to engage with Keiser?
Bugpowder: Wouldn't want to bring down my influence.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves he used to back before i ended up wearing his asshole as a windshield decoration
mircea_popescu: (this was back in the ra ra ra days of to the moon when btc first broke 100)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.16230094 = 0.6492 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.11475878 = 0.459 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00597989 = 0.598 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.11475878 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 600 @ 0.00597999 = 3.588 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 284 @ 0.00598 = 1.6983 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.06098069 = 0.122 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 25 @ 0.005987 = 0.1497 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: So, less than 10% of slashdot users are using the new layout
mircea_popescu: i don't even remember a case where some popular site "improved"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 103 @ 0.005987 = 0.6167 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: i have no idea why people continue doing it. must be a mental disorder on the management side.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 184 @ 0.005987 = 1.1016 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.06145 = 0.6145 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 150 @ 0.005987 = 0.8981 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.16230094 = 0.6492 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 33 @ 0.005987 = 0.1976 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 41 @ 0.00598962 = 0.2456 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 130 @ 0.00474999 = 0.6175 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 25 @ 0.00595201 = 0.1488 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: <mircea_popescu> i have no idea why people continue doing it. must be a mental disorder on the management side. /// marketeers are persuasive, it's their job
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: "You know you've done things right, when people aren't sure you've done anything at all."
mircea_popescu: the derpage coming out of that thing is almost like bitcoin magazine runs it.
ozbot: Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: If you're going to rip -assets ...
mircea_popescu: link is there, "o derp, bitcoin is the greatest asset class in the histopry of business"
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: Everything, it is the coindesk way
mircea_popescu: the argument is strong and well made, but not by them and not by their fucktarded infographic or w/e that thing is
BingoBoingo: At this rate COindesk is headed into a Max Kaiser like niche becoming a noob ghetto
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3550 @ 0.0008855 = 3.1435 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: see the jan 31st discussion with herbi, it's linked in the tweet.
Duffer1: max seems to have become the thing he hates
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 31 @ 0.00598998 = 0.1857 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 35 @ 0.00480065 = 0.168 BTC [+] {3}
BingoBoingo: Duffer1: Max doesn't have the dignity for that
Duffer1: I plan to give @RealAlexJones some free #maxcoin next week. No need to bother with Bitcoin, #maxcoin is better. Currency of the Resistance.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 74 @ 0.00598999 = 0.4433 BTC [+] {3}
Duffer1: ya that kinda stuff gets under my skin pretty quick
BingoBoingo: Also 737 people reffered by Slashdot in the first hour as the last of four links in the story.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00018499 = 0.185 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 107 @ 0.00598999 = 0.6409 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.39675101 BTC to 2`983 shares, 80347 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 42 @ 0.00598999 = 0.2516 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: If only the latest trilema piece had come out an hour earlier
ThickAsThieves: it's odd to me that the bitcoin world ignored bitcoin stocks and stock exchanges so much
mircea_popescu: TomServo kinda lulzy cause it went pretty much like an old guy's erection, that forced coin.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 11 @ 0.06145 = 0.676 BTC [+]
Duffer1: seems like a situation where they'd just rather forget
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.061 = 0.427 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: i really don't want this viewpoint promoted whereby bitcoin finance is this point of interest for the general public.
mircea_popescu: i mean they can end up believing it is, like they end up believing any other nonsense they believe
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 21 @ 0.00539875 = 0.1134 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: last thing you need you know, is thebitcoinwife being knowledgeable about stocks.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 29 @ 0.00598606 = 0.1736 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves well... it is. of the 1-2% of bitcoin marketshare that us vcs get
mircea_popescu: rest of 62% is in other dead in the water nonventures.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.1129999 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: the controlling point here, i guess, would be the observation of Kennedy sr that fuck it, when shoeshine boys discuss stocks it's time to get out.
mircea_popescu: the day you're in the same boat with the sorts of people "investing" in groupon it's prolly time to move on.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 145 @ 0.00598998 = 0.8685 BTC [+] {2}
mike_c: shoeshine boys won't have mpex accounts anytime soon.
mike_c: although i guess they could have coinbr accounts
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 393 @ 0.00598642 = 2.3527 BTC [-] {3}
jurov: i;m still waiting for someone who'll license coinbr code (for worthy price, ofc)
jurov: and start offering free mpex trading for masses
mircea_popescu: mike_c anyway, stuff like publishing the correct numbers is useful and welcome.
jurov: somehow no one is up to it
mircea_popescu: the idea isn't to keep anything a secret, god forbid, but basically i think we should be informed by the correct interraction with children in a family.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.11299998 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0615 = 0.123 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: you don't make a big secret out of the power sockets, or the power tools in the garage
mircea_popescu: you just go about your business without making a big deal of them and let the kids grow up with all their limbs
mike_c: and maybe even buy those little plastice outlet covers to make sure they survive :)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.11299998 = 0.339 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: that's the debatable point, but anyway. some slack for everyone to cut closer or further by his taste.
mircea_popescu: but as a general principle actual finance does not belong in the mouth of pundits any more than science belongs in the mouths of politicos.
mike_c: looking at slides like coindesk's makes me mad for some reason. those stupid charts with "here's why btc went up" and "here's why it went down". they should post that on bitcointalk and be done with it.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 73 @ 0.00599 = 0.4373 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.00595201 = 0.2381 BTC [-]
ozbot: Open Letter to Michael Casey - WSJ reporter who butchered my comments in today's Bitcoin cover story
BingoBoingo: Well, when you want to be everyone's friend you forget if you actually have friends or not.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 44 @ 0.00594726 = 0.2617 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 17 @ 0.00599 = 0.1018 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 616 @ 0.00582265 = 3.5868 BTC [-] {10}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 189 @ 0.0058 = 1.0962 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.16230094 = 0.4869 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: "with friends like this, whi the fuck needs cointelpro"
thestringpuller: payment processors have too much overhead due to regulation...you pay so many fees just cutting through red tape
thestringpuller: PCI compliance is a joke, yet it accounts for good chunk of the expense budget...that gets passed onto the customer. thus we have bitcoin. So what happens in 20 years big government regulates BTC and you need 10 licenses just to touch it in Country XYZ?
TomServo: No doubt. It worked wonders for Target, didn't it!
thestringpuller: lol operate a bitcoin exchange from a space station. no government there...
Duffer1: mining farm in space, free cooling
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35611 @ 0.00088327 = 31.4541 BTC [-] {2}
Duffer1: can a level of bureaucracy exist sufficient to regulate Bitcoin?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1989 @ 0.00088021 = 1.7507 BTC [-]
diametric: I think the problem is people use the word regulate like its some specific thing.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> Duffer1: cooling in space is a bitch << this somehow never is directly obvious
mircea_popescu: but one of the biggest problems for any energetically intensive application outside of earth is like... how the fuck you cool it.
mircea_popescu: you'll end up with larger heat exchangers than solar panels
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "there is no prison that may hold the literate"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 22 @ 0.00597499 = 0.1314 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 2 @ 0.08388998 = 0.1678 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: diametric but it is a specific thing. it means "fucking" :D
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33499 @ 0.00087986 = 29.4744 BTC [-] {2}
ozbot: Man Accidentally Kills Self With Gun During Demonstration On Gun Safety
nubbins`: "The 36-year-old man ... was attempting to demonstrate the safety of the handguns by holding them to his head and pulling the trigger."
nubbins`: because that's how you demonstrate that
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 33 @ 0.00597499 = 0.1972 BTC [+]
nubbins`: for my next trick, i will demonstrate the safety of this prop knife by falling on it from my balcony.
Duffer1: have you seen the one with the black cop shoots himself in a classroom during a safety demo?
nubbins`: what does black have to do with it?
Duffer1: an adjective to help describe the specific video i'm thinking of
ozbot: Cop Shoots himself in the leg - YouTube
mircea_popescu: wait there's A LOT of vids of cops shooting themselves in schools ?
diametric: Have to hand it to him, he just rolls with it
ozbot: Infested bedbug rentals unacceptable, Tom Osborne says - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 61 @ 0.005975 = 0.3645 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: curious to see what changes they'll try to make to the residential tenancies act
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 36 @ 0.005975 = 0.2151 BTC [+]
nubbins`: my house is attached on both sides
nubbins`: hard skids living on both sides too
nubbins`: sha shortcut isn't into nightmare territory yet
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 114 @ 0.00597499 = 0.6811 BTC [-]
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: skid
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 25 @ 0.00595 = 0.1488 BTC [-]
nubbins`: technically we call them "skeets" here
nubbins`: but i think skids is a more widely known term
pankkake: a hard skid is used to store data, but does not work well, and sometimes reverses bits
mircea_popescu: nubbins` tbh large parts of the us are having a SERIOUS infestation problem these days.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu they found bedbugs in provincial court here last year
mircea_popescu: i can't grok wtf is causing it, because i never heard of a civilised country with begbugs before san francisco came along
benkay: no no thestringpuller those are "niggers" in this channel
benkay: nigga a different thing
nubbins`: lel, the article starts with "In Newfoundland English..."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.00595 = 0.238 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2925 @ 0.00087859 = 2.5699 BTC [-]
nubbins`: i think there's a wikipedia article about that somewhere too
nubbins`: "where are ye to?" is much more common
mircea_popescu: Get on the go, Let's go (also, a common euphemism for partying, on the go by itself can also refer to a relationship - similar to a dating stage, but more hazy.)
nubbins`: ye being, of course, the plural of you
mircea_popescu: whoever the fuck wrote that wiki entry was pretty well gone.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00595 = 0.2975 BTC [-]
nubbins`: i.e. "right" as a synonym for "Very"
nubbins`: "she's right crooked" == "she is in a very bad mood"
mircea_popescu: nubbins` like "the right honorable dorky mcdorkenstock" ?
ozbot: Newfoundland English - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 22 @ 0.00485999 = 0.1069 BTC [-]
KRS1: skeet is white trach or wigger here
mircea_popescu: Ducky, female friend, used affectionately. Also My love, used in an entirely platonic sense
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: i've seen delivery drivers call women "my lover"
KRS1: thestringpuller: that too, depending on who you ask.. as in ... skeet skeet
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 27 @ 0.0055 = 0.1485 BTC {2}
nubbins`: i'm guilty of using some of these
nubbins`: c'mon now, we goes drinkin' now the once
KRS1: nubbins`: I think here they call the person 'boo'.
TomServo: Yet there is a difference between a hill and a big hill.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: depends on the age of the speaker ;D
nubbins`: "queer" is still regularly used to mean "odd" by older folk
ozbot: Bitcoin Exchange Mt. Gox Shutdown Said to be Probed by U.S. - Businessweek
nubbins`: more like "qware" than "queer" tho
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 90 @ 0.00599 = 0.5391 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.0055 = 0.11 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00599 = 0.599 BTC [+] {3}
TomServo: His brother, Vinit Bharara, is the entrepreneur who co-founded Diapers.com
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 31 @ 0.00599 = 0.1857 BTC [+]
gribble: Error: "explain" is not a valid command.
jcpham: ;;eli5 would be great gribble command
gribble: Error: "eli5" is not a valid command.
nubbins`: "wear your failings like the badge of honor that they are"
jcpham: i think that site is 100%
jcpham: bitpay integrated and such
ThickAsThieves: from reddit: "What is the potential value of NeoBee? Right now it is trading at around 005"
jcpham: so if you buy then i have to make it
gribble: usagi was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 20 weeks, 0 days, 16 hours, 22 minutes, and 10 seconds ago: <usagi> No, but it will go over
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 41 @ 0.00596854 = 0.2447 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: hope you're getting a good price on your shirts :D
jcpham: so they need to be $50
mircea_popescu: so what happens if 1st dividends are 0.007 per share ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 27 @ 0.0055 = 0.1485 BTC
nubbins`: where are you getting em printed, anyway?
ozbot: Got Gox? shirt – goxshirts.com
nubbins`: ;D was hoping that'd garner a reaction
jcpham: everyone thank nubbins`the price went up
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 585.38, Best ask: 587.37, Bid-ask spread: 1.99000, Last trade: 587.37, 24 hour volume: 50964.25595437, 24 hour low: 502.0, 24 hour high: 610.0, 24 hour vwap: 561.245443288
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 165 @ 0.00599339 = 0.9889 BTC [+] {3}
jcpham: doesn't really matter to me. still working out logistics
jcpham: i had a need for a shopify thingy
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 28 @ 0.0059977 = 0.1679 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: they do one-off shirts for $20.75, shipping included
nubbins`: my guess is chinese shirts with heat xfer graphics
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.103 BTC [+]
nubbins`: i wouldn't even set up the press for $20.75 ;p
benkay: davout: more tunes still on offer?
davout: benkay: sure! later tonight tho, gotta wrap some stuff up
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 64 @ 0.0059977 = 0.3839 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.06178989 = 0.4943 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.103 = 0.927 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: i'm gonna try to get Havelock to fix this market cap bullshit
benkay: davout: i'll check in tomorrow, busy tonight
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 61 @ 0.0059978 = 0.3659 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: that doesn't tell the total # of shares
mike_c: ;;calc 12157 / .000138
nubbins`: well that's the thing about warrants
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 38 @ 0.0059978 = 0.2279 BTC [+]
ozbot: S.MG, January 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mike_c: and about the same # of warrants
benkay: wait why i am i doing mp's work for him
ThickAsThieves: so really havelock would need to pull that count dynamically
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.11475881 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 320 @ 0.00599885 = 1.9196 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.49 = 1.47 BTC [-]
mike_c: shares is fixed. warrants are somewhat dynamic.
nubbins`: btcalpha accomodates shares being created after the fact?
mike_c: it accomodates warrants being issued
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 227 @ 0.0055 = 1.2485 BTC
nubbins`: suppose i cash in my warrant today. 192,000 s.mg shares get pushed to my account
nubbins`: how does havelock find out about this?
benkay: sounds like a thing havelock and the pt managers should really have thought about.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 68 @ 0.00599999 = 0.408 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: mike_c: so the numbers could be inaccurate on havelock for up to 30 days
mike_c: only sort of. fully dilute market cap doesn't change
ThickAsThieves: surely James and Mircea can sort out a way to reliably get a count
benkay: guess that means you don't have to worry about any of this bullshit, eh, ThickAsThieves?
mircea_popescu: S.MG has a total of 88`096`605 authorised shares outstanding
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17068 @ 0.00088091 = 15.0354 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 211 @ 0.00599892 = 1.2658 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: and why are warrants included or what are we discussing ?
ThickAsThieves: they arent included, but they are a factor should they be rendered, no?
nubbins`: i think the question is how havelock knows total # of shares
nubbins`: when people can cash out warrants whenever they want
mircea_popescu: and for that matter s.mg can write more warrants whenever it wants.
nubbins`: this presents a problem to be solved if havelock wishes to display a live count of the number of shares existing
ThickAsThieves: it just means the cap needs to be more dynamic than ASICMINER for example
nubbins`: anyway bbl i gotta run an errand
mircea_popescu: nubbins` well generally share counts change. corps do share-based acquisitions and mergers, splits, reverse splits
mircea_popescu: kind-of why the key figures are reported a certain way in fiat.
ThickAsThieves: alright, short email to Havelock CEO sent, I even gave him all the dataz.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.11475881 = 0.2295 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0617 = 0.1234 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.104 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 323 @ 0.00599869 = 1.9376 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 33 @ 0.00599975 = 0.198 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.11499999 = 0.23 BTC [+]
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 584.37, Best ask: 585.65, Bid-ask spread: 1.28000, Last trade: 584.37, 24 hour volume: 50743.47596829, 24 hour low: 509.96, 24 hour high: 610.0, 24 hour vwap: 561.356989288
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.10499999 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 108 @ 0.00599963 = 0.648 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.06178989 = 0.3089 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.1055 = 0.211 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 27 @ 0.0059996 = 0.162 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 20 @ 0.005998 = 0.12 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 168 @ 0.005998 = 1.0077 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 253 @ 0.000501 = 0.1268 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: i'm having real trouble understanding the growing trend of american anti-gentrificationism
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.061 = 0.305 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 125 @ 0.00599972 = 0.75 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: "we're poor and dirty why should anyone be rich" not enough ?
mooninite: MtGox Update 3: I found it, my usb with 700k bitcoins, It had fell down the side of the sofa at starbucks, withdrawals to resume soonish.
ThickAsThieves: the comments are ridiculous "Why does it take an influx of white New Yorkers in the South Bronx, in Harlem, in Bed Stuy, in Crown Heights for the facilities to get better? Why did it take this great influx of white people to get the schools better? The garbage wasn’t picked up every motherfuckin’ day when I was living in 165 Washington Park... The police weren’t around... When
ThickAsThieves: you see white mothers pushing their babies in strollers, three o’clock in the morning on 125th Street, that must tell you something."
mircea_popescu: basically, some people suck, some don't. whee why should this be, whoo how could this be.
mircea_popescu: there's no such thing as a right to one's code just because it exists or just because it's different.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform amusingly historic data from 1600s and 1700s shows avg rents being about 5% of income
ThickAsThieves: i visited the tenderloin in SF, i dont know what the fuck they are clinging on to
mircea_popescu: and then in most places another 10%ish in vat and vat-like taxes.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.13587998 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: you need a whole of a lot of progress to get people thinking they're better off in vermin infested shitholes today than they were in 1500
mircea_popescu: "When Michael Jackson died they wanted to have a party for him in motherfuckin’ Fort Greene Park and all of a sudden the white people in Fort Greene said, 'Wait a minute! We can’t have black people having a party for Michael Jackson to celebrate his life. Who’s coming to the neighborhood?
mircea_popescu: well honestly now... why would white people let black people throw parties for mj's death ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 31 @ 0.00599975 = 0.186 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: in other news, the bitcoin Rift guild is about to pass 1k players 0.o
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 136 @ 0.00598329 = 0.8137 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 143 @ 0.00596738 = 0.8533 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.49899998 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 17 @ 0.00599976 = 0.102 BTC [+]
mooninite: I played Rift, it was def a step of from the likes of WoW. But GW2 is the epitome of "without the stupid shit"
mooninite: no gear treadmill, skill oriented gameplay
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.0055 = 0.275 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0605 = 0.3025 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 29 @ 0.00599976 = 0.174 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 13 @ 0.16230094 = 2.1099 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 21 @ 0.00599999 = 0.126 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 34 @ 0.060377 = 2.0528 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 223 @ 0.00599999 = 1.338 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 118 @ 0.00599999 = 0.708 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 450 @ 0.00599999 = 2.7 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1738 @ 0.00599999 = 10.428 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13125 @ 0.00088005 = 11.5507 BTC [-]
mooninite: at max level, everyone's gear stats hit the same ceiling. There's no quest for bigger and better loots. Some people dislike this fact, but I find it nice to be able to quit playing for a few weeks, come back and not feel like everyone else progressed beyond me
mooninite: there are ascended and legendary items that would be the sort of 'epic' rarity loots but their stats are barely higher than the regular items, only they look nicer and have particle effects
mooninite: so it's a level playing field, and if you want to farm and go out of your way to get the rarest items, you can -- but they will not immediately make you stronger than everyone else, it's just for looks
the20year2: *possibly* dumb question, but would it be possible to request the listing of an asset on mpex via a pre-existing account, or does it have to be done from a brand new one?
mircea_popescu: i don't think any assets were listed off new accounts anyway, what sense'd that make ?
mike_c: % as rent has more to do with density, no?
the20year2: My primary concern/question if the requirement is always 30btc to list an asset
mike_c: % as rent climbs as population density rises
mircea_popescu: mpex works exactly like a stock exchange is supposed to work, the asset should ideally take an underwriter
mircea_popescu: which is someone with the experience and contacts required to maintain the financial side of things.
mircea_popescu: if every ipo also bought a pit spot it'd be the fucking end of the world over at nyse.
mircea_popescu: in some cases obviously the asset is owned by an actual investment bank which already has a seat. this is by no means common or the rule. esp as things mature.
the20year2: You're talking about market makers, correct?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23400 @ 0.00087857 = 20.5585 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: there's no requirement that the underwriter marketmakes
mircea_popescu: with the exception of x.eur and the options, mpex assets aren't mm'd specifically
the20year2: I guess I'm trying to determine if there'd be use in whether there would be a use for a USD rentalstarter bond on mpex
the20year2: We should hit $500k in total NAV by June, which is good, but i don't know if it's enough still in order to get a portfolio lender to consider us
mircea_popescu: well, if you aren't in the business, the logical step would be to talk to someone who is.
the20year2: Which was the whole idea behind doing this 2nd round of funding via havelock. So, then i've got to consider what non-share options there exist for business financing. Issuing interest bearing bonds are one of those things that many businesses do when they don't/can't apply for bank financing.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 30 @ 0.115 = 3.45 BTC [+] {3}
mike_c: but you'd have to pay interest in btc..
the20year2: Well , if it works as a BTC short, then the interest being paid would be tied to USD rather than BTC, but still paid via btc as the medium
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.11520433 = 0.2304 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3050 @ 0.00087823 = 2.6786 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.11540966 = 0.8079 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14720 @ 0.0008781 = 12.9256 BTC [-] {3}
nubbins`: <mircea_popescu> today people pay 50% ish in tax and 25% in rent. <<< you're obviously not from canada
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.11540966 = 0.2308 BTC [+]
the20year2: Then of course, depending on the cost, issuing bonds in the US may be preferential to pursuing issuance on a bitcoin based exchange
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 66 @ 0.00599999 = 0.396 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 22 @ 0.00599999 = 0.132 BTC [+] {2}
the20year2: The two questions are : Would a USD bond (to short BTC:USD) be useful on somewhere like mpex, and if so, what would the cost be to do such a venture from the issuer standpoint
nubbins`: ~50% of net for housing is the norm here
mike_c: there's already a btc hedge on mpex in x.eur. i'm not sure how much appetite you'll find for a bond that will decrease in NAV and interest rate as btc rises.
nubbins`: depending on your tax bracket, that could be around 25% of gross
mircea_popescu: the20year2 what makes you tihnk you have the credibility to issue bonds in the first place ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 250 @ 0.00088321 = 0.2208 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 491 @ 0.00599996 = 2.946 BTC [-] {7}
mircea_popescu: i mean equity is one thing, people love throwing money away
the20year2: I'd like to think i've been more transparent with rentalstarter than most other issuers have been with their respective listings. Of course, i'm still asking if this is a possibility at any rate
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 220 @ 0.00086551 = 0.1904 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.1155 = 0.3465 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 201 @ 0.006 = 1.206 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13650 @ 0.00087755 = 11.9786 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: a possibility it is, of course, but transparency is hardly much of a qualification.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 155 @ 0.006 = 0.93 BTC [+] {2}
the20year2: With the number of companies that have outright scammed people i'd kind of expect it to at least play a partial role in future issuer plans.
mike_c: how many companies on mpex have scammed people?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 68 @ 0.00599999 = 0.408 BTC [-] {2}
the20year2: I'm not aware of any, however i'm talking about the landry list of stocks out there that have.
mircea_popescu: in general companies that can't finance themselves through stock issuance have little or no hope of placing bonds successfully.
mircea_popescu: at least i've never heard of pinksheet bonds issuance.
thestringpuller: people need to stop financing period until their business actually runs
the20year2: There's a medium sized REIT i ran into out of texas that issued bonds here pretty recently in the same way I would like to do ours
the20year2: To issue bonds in the US, up to $50m all that is required is to issue a PPM and file with the SEC in the respective investor's state
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 167 @ 0.00599999 = 1.002 BTC [-] {2}
the20year2: Then, depending on accreditation you then are limited to a number of investors
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 55 @ 0.00599999 = 0.33 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 90 @ 0.00599999 = 0.54 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: jesus fuck, i go craft, check twitter half hour later, 24 interactions
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10997 @ 0.00088005 = 9.6779 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 75 @ 0.00599999 = 0.45 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.006 = 0.24 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: most of it is just spam basically made to make one feel important.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00599 = 1.198 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: not a matter of bots, just, all interaction is split up in n atomic bits
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.1155 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00018499 = 0.185 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 362 @ 0.00050899 = 0.1843 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 102 @ 0.00599998 = 0.612 BTC [+]
mike_c: the gox failure has clearly been depressing ATC prices..
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8800 @ 0.00088005 = 7.7444 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 62 @ 0.00599999 = 0.372 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.02289649 = 0.229 BTC [-]
mike_c: "I am most concerned that as Bitcoin is inevitably banned in other countries, Americans will be left holding the bag on a valueless currency"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1124 @ 0.00052998 = 0.5957 BTC [+] {4}
ArsKisS: you didn't see the rows before my comment
ThickAsThieves: every politician needs some aide telling him to consider what implications his comments have on the US dollar
ArsKisS: [22:11:35] <Jere_Jones> "ban bitcoin" lol
ThickAsThieves: [15:09] <ThickAsThieves> look at those assholes shoving iphones in his face
ThickAsThieves: "Bitcoin has also become a haven for individuals to buy black market items. " shit it's harder to get stuff with bitcoin than dollars now
mircea_popescu: meanwhile i'm having fun on twitter with twerps who describe themselves as "Strategy & Research"
ThickAsThieves: i wonder, is there a legal ground for disallowing the USG to ban it on grounds that it would destroy huge amounts of wealth for US citizens already invested?
mircea_popescu: the usg has the god given right to destroy any wealth of its citizens it can.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9900 @ 0.00087832 = 8.6954 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00599999 = 0.3 BTC [+]
ArsKisS: ThickAsThieves, iceland government gonna scam their citizens?
ArsKisS: afaik they gonna distribute
gx: god, that article just drives me nuts
gx: we should ban it, because it's unstable
mircea_popescu: as soon as they figure out wtf they are. will be 2015 at the ealiest.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.00599998 = 0.24 BTC [-]
ArsKisS: ThickAsThieves, well, that knida explained :P
Duffer1: not like the premine was a lot of coins just a mere 50%
gx: Before the U.S. gets too far behind the curve on this important topic, I urge the regulators to work together, act quickly, and prohibit this dangerous currency from harming hard-working Americans.
mike_c: what about the lazy americans?
Duffer1: none of that sentence made sense
mircea_popescu: @TomHashemi Did you want to share something with the group ?
mircea_popescu: @Mircea_Popescu Nope... I've read enough of your nonsense on bitcointalk to do it on twitter as well
mircea_popescu: @TomHashemi No. And why am I talking to derps who think they may put "strategy" on their bio when what they do is code websites ?
mircea_popescu: @Mircea_Popescu errrr maybe because I do both? try reading the full page before you comment...
mircea_popescu: @TomHashemi Sure, most actual strategists I know advertise themselves as cooks, streetsweepers, merchandise stacking "executives" and so on
mircea_popescu: @Mircea_Popescu Didn't realise I had to get all my sources of income approved by you before I proceed. I'll remember for next time, thanks.
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BingoBoingo: So Imma guess this recent drama means rally soon
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: Why do you waste your time with people like that? Is he some kind of uber-wealthy gateway?
ThickAsThieves: bitstamp is much less prone to "crashes" on "bad" news like this
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic cause i'm a fucking verbose idiot basically.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in retrospect, "strategy" on such venues should be taken as an indicator of consumate armchair generalship.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 23 @ 0.00485 = 0.1116 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: i guess protecting the term is impossible, actual people doing strategy will have to find a new word
ThickAsThieves: "After you ban #bitcoin, could you ban really hot, humid weather? It's really the most annoying weather."
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic no but w/e, he was talking at me on twitter. so i respond. and when i respond to people i don't know it highligths them to research team too, so they give me a "who's this guy".
jurov: asciilifeform that leaves obvious coinclusion about bruce schneiers recommended password solution
ThickAsThieves: "please clarify whether this ban would apply to @dogecoin also?"
mircea_popescu: when i get back a "well he makes websites" im like o great
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't think armchair generals are allowed clausewitz
ThickAsThieves: someone should do an article on the senator that has "BTCUSD fell -1% on the news"
mircea_popescu: my armchair generals are qualified to discuss anything because they once finished a game of starcraft
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8450 @ 0.0008772 = 7.4123 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: "mpex drops 1% on news of ceo wasting his time talking to idiots on twitter"
mircea_popescu: btw, ThickAsThieves saves the day. if bitcoin is banned we move to altcoin
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't think these exist anymore, and if they do exist they're prolly girls.
mircea_popescu: (well... he's bicurious. and he thinks he might be gay)
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves, at your request : Ah, che bel vivere, che bel piacere: per un senatore di qualità! di qualità!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 63 @ 0.00599999 = 0.378 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.49000004 = 2.45 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 23 @ 0.0055 = 0.1265 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3550 @ 0.00087897 = 3.1203 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 45 @ 0.0055 = 0.2475 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.1155 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 20 @ 0.00599999 = 0.12 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 206 @ 0.00055 = 0.1133 BTC [+]
nubbins`: prob needs some editing, i'll take another look over it later. this is my first time writing a wiki article
nubbins`: wonder what happens if you poke his nose ;(
nubbins`: no, only got as far as the login screen. keyboard input goes to the terminal window rather than the un/pw textboxes
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11889 @ 0.00087674 = 10.4236 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: in other news, you can buy a fucking glass hockey skate filled with whisky now
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 43 @ 0.00599999 = 0.258 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.11749998 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: "The hack rates as one of the largest heists in history"
azi`: are we actually sure it was a hack?
azi`: i'd really like to know what was going on at gox
azi`: i mean, no blockchain info about the 700k bitcoins
azi`: and its unreasonable to think they lost the wallet to the cold storage thing
ThickAsThieves: Havelock's response to my market cap fix request "I will keep you posted on when this will be updated and how."
azi`: doing it just now.. i am wondering if it can change my view that gox was just too incopetent to run this "get bitcoins and run" scheme
ThickAsThieves: omg someone on twitter just used "Bitcoin is not Quantum Safe, sorry." as an argument
azi`: mircea_popescu: so you think it's in no way related to the fact that they had some legal issues with authorities?
mike_c: ThickAsThieves: market cap deja vu..
azi`: the case reminds me very much to the case of full tilt poker, really..
azi`: they were stealing large sums of money but everything was fine until the FBI closed them down which caused a panic of withdrawals after reopening
lnovy: no order sorting? :(
ThickAsThieves: <asciilifeform> quantum safe? // ya we are at the mercy of vitalik's and jordan ash's turing quantum miners
mircea_popescu: azi` basically it's the bitcoinica blueprint rehashed.
kakobrekla: the real fear is luke jr, ThickAsThieves .
mircea_popescu: they lost some btc, kept daytrading to make it up, kept losing,
mircea_popescu: so this presentation overtstates losses to make a better story.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 75 @ 0.00599997 = 0.45 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: so today's takeaway is that idiots are remarkable territorial.
mircea_popescu: on top of all the bitcoin experts in #bitcoin, #bitcoin-otc, #bitcoin-etc
mircea_popescu: and on top of all the various specialist investors on bitcointalk
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 55 @ 0.00595007 = 0.3273 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.49 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 33 @ 0.00595006 = 0.1964 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: is there a place i can easily see who funded the most recent campaigns of a senator?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.06003 = 0.2401 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.103 = 0.412 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.16230094 = 0.6492 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: as i was sayin' to erik, the guy's the clown of all time.
mircea_popescu: A. James Manchin either delighted or appalled the West Virginia voters. Many people, especially senior citizens, loved the attention he bestowed upon them later as Secretary of State. He would produce a certificate with a gold star and make quite a production of just about anyone's service to "Mother West Virginia." Giving away his trademark white or black fedora to young teenage boys along the campaign trail, Manch
mircea_popescu: in was known to even pull off the road and attend funerals for people he didn't know.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 34 @ 0.00599999 = 0.204 BTC [+]
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: is it okay to copy eulora-specific content wholesale from trilema to the wiki? or would you prefer we link to articles
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 126 @ 0.00595006 = 0.7497 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: inasmuch as wiki articles are intended ot describe things such as they are, they don't sanely need much more than snippets anwyay
mircea_popescu: i mean arguably eulora as-is won't match exactly the eulora as-word-of-god
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 196 @ 0.00595003 = 1.1662 BTC [-] {3}
nubbins`: so, should the need arise, it's fine to paraphrase/summarize info and link to the relevant blog post?
mircea_popescu: how come all the us presidents are wearing cheap synthetic suits ?
☟︎ assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 300 @ 0.00573791 = 1.7214 BTC [-] {8}
mircea_popescu: i don't imagine they're trying to buy 50 dollar suits, so you'd expect they could afford something
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00570509 = 1.141 BTC [-] {7}
ThickAsThieves: thestringpuller, are you seriously chasing usagi for money?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 78 @ 0.00570001 = 0.4446 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 181 @ 0.0056763 = 1.0274 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 98 @ 0.00581293 = 0.5697 BTC [+] {8}
thestringpuller: ThickAsThieves: no I want to see who the other shareholders were
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 553 @ 0.00057395 = 0.3174 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 210 @ 0.00586999 = 1.2327 BTC [+] {3}
nubbins`: i had a mid-december sell order get filled overnight
assbot: [HAVELOCK:HIF] 1D: 0.00050000 / 0.00052981 / 0.00057500 (3892 shares, 2.06203014 BTC), 7D: 0.00038617 / 0.00047751 / 0.00057500 (21099 shares, 10.07507839 BTC), 30D: 0.00036000 / 0.00045198 / 0.00057500 (69588 shares, 31.45223437 BTC)
mike_c: no dividends and no financial reports. what exactly are you investing in?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 114 @ 0.00589998 = 0.6726 BTC [+] {3}
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 567.67, Best ask: 568.11, Bid-ask spread: 0.44000, Last trade: 568.11, 24 hour volume: 50469.56136110, 24 hour low: 517.0, 24 hour high: 610.0, 24 hour vwap: 566.874713657
mike_c: hm, supposedly there will be quarterly dividends
mike_c: maybe that's why rally
mike_c: there are 100m units of hif
nubbins`: i'm investing in a cut of listing fees ;p
nubbins`: this is the first time it's stayed above 0.005 for any length of time since IPO
nubbins`: i should really add "nubbins" to my highlight list
nubbins`: not everyone uses tab-complete ;(
mike_c: their prospectus says they are going to make 6,000 btc in 2014. so quarterly dividend would be..
☟︎ mike_c: ;;calc (6000 /4) / 100000000
nubbins`: i added nubs. worried about false positives
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 89 @ 0.00599 = 0.5331 BTC [+] {2}
mike_c: ;;calc .00006 / .000575
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 111 @ 0.005998 = 0.6658 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 132 @ 0.00599363 = 0.7912 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1537 @ 0.00599579 = 9.2155 BTC [+] {7}
mircea_popescu: <ThickAsThieves> HIF worth $32.6m <<< 1/10 of Bank of Cyprus ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 58 @ 0.0059 = 0.3422 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 137 @ 0.0059 = 0.8083 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60550 @ 0.00087658 = 53.0769 BTC [-] {4}
nubbins`: "the key to a woman's puss is through her guts", i said
☟︎ assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00599 = 0.2995 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 20 @ 0.00599 = 0.1198 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 22 @ 0.00599 = 0.1318 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.11749998 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 379 @ 0.0059 = 2.2361 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.49899 BTC [+]
benkay: "u wanna get fucked? i wanna steak. i'm sure we can figure something out here."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 111 @ 0.00597 = 0.6627 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 110 @ 0.00598999 = 0.6589 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 118 @ 0.00598192 = 0.7059 BTC [-] {6}
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 92 @ 0.00597999 = 0.5502 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 221 @ 0.00597999 = 1.3216 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.1155 = 1.0395 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 41 @ 0.00597999 = 0.2452 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 33 @ 0.00597999 = 0.1973 BTC [+]
nubbins`: mike_c: FYI, i get a "Database error" page every time i commit an update -- doesn't seem to affect anything tho
mike_c: hm. ok, i'll check it out
nubbins`: "A database query error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software."
ThickAsThieves: some funny pics of people looking at people's asses in there
kakobrekla: why is the merchant copy printed first on the terminal
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 525 @ 0.00598175 = 3.1404 BTC [+] {3}
mike_c: how many suits does it take to cut the entrance rope?
nubbins`: same reason voting machines have printouts
nubbins`: i'm guessing, we use paper+pencil to vote here in canada
kakobrekla: rope can be overtaken but you need strategy, raw power wont do
nubbins`: voting in usa seems like a mess
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 19 @ 0.0055 = 0.1045 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 456 @ 0.00599617 = 2.7343 BTC [+] {3}
kakobrekla: when will we see dogecoin-finds-out-bitcoin-survived-mtgox-crash
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 170 @ 0.00599896 = 1.0198 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: when will my palm divorce my face
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11350 @ 0.00088005 = 9.9886 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: "The variety of these businesses is excellent, and a future where Cypriots will be in a position to use Euros only to pay government institutions is within sight."
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mircea_popescu: don't tell me somebody took a text with "euro" in it and tried to s/euro/bitcoin by hand
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 77 @ 0.00598 = 0.4605 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 46 @ 0.0055 = 0.253 BTC
ThickAsThieves: it's a twisty sentence that's supposed to say he thinks bitcoin can be the main means of commerce
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ozbot: Greeks Anything you can do we already did better - YouTube
nubbins`: "...Cypriots will be in a position to use Euros solely to pay government institutions"
mircea_popescu: well i guess the part where his feedback sources are tardtalk, tarddit and tardtweer is oddly adequate.
mircea_popescu: "can not write copy, great results from the pleb venues"
nubbins`: yesterday i learned that all that shit in the bible about speaking in tongues is pretty much only in the english versions
Vexual: wanna hear confusing, i woke up with a ticket to macau
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nubbins`: okay, at the risk of yammering on about something nobody cares about
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nubbins`: mark is chronologically the first gospel
nubbins`: not only does it make no mention of a virgin birth -- in fact, jesus is referred to as a son of mary -- but it ends when jesus dies.
nubbins`: they go to the tomb, and a young man -- not an angel -- says:
nubbins`: “Do not be alarmed. You seek Jesus of Nazareth, who was crucified. He has risen; he is not here. See the place where they laid him. But go, tell his disciples and Peter that he is going before you to Galilee. There you will see him, just as he told you.” And they went out and fled from the tomb, for trembling and astonishment had seized them, and they said nothing.
nubbins`: AND THAT'S THE END OF THE BOOK.
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nubbins`: centuries later it was felt that this was improper, because all the subsequent gospels have shit about virgin births and resurrections
nubbins`: so they tacked on an ending to it
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.102 = 0.204 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.16230094 = 0.3246 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: sadly, i wasted my university years studying science instead
mircea_popescu: there's about four different humanities paths that end up there
nubbins`: anthropology is actually Arts, not Science, here
nubbins`: (fwiw, math can be studied as either)
Vexual: lasers in the eye is never good tat
nubbins`: i have a few friends who tried lasik
nubbins`: they say they wish they'd done it years before
ThickAsThieves: my wife got it, but like i love my vision so much i'm scared to improve it
nubbins`: yeah, one friend said he has better than 20/20 now
mircea_popescu: women generally do it because there's few good woman looks that include glasses.
ozbot: Harry Potter Epilogue - Saturday Night Live - YouTube
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TomServo: asciilifeform: wasn't that a twilight zone episode?
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ozbot: Time Enough at Last - YouTube
TomServo: Yeah, it really stuck with me.
ozbot: Emma Stone Monologue: Nerds Love Emma - Saturday Night Live - YouTube
TomServo: asciilifeform: The episode was adapted from a short story written by Marilyn Venable
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 90 @ 0.00599999 = 0.54 BTC [+]
ozbot: Emma Stone Monologue: Nerds Love Emma | Saturday Night Live - Yahoo Screen
mircea_popescu: im putting the link here because something tells me im gonna need it a lot on twitter
mircea_popescu: and that thing is so fucking badly organised you can never find anything.
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.061687 = 0.2467 BTC [+]
wao-ender: well, funny is, that resort is just 21 km from Bratislava, not far from border in Hungary, but owned by Slovak group.
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00018499 = 0.185 BTC [+]
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