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mircea_popescu: artificial intelligence as actually extant today is, leaving aside all sorta obscure lulz alf used to like referencing about expert systems and nato wargames, and the assorted lulzpile of neural networks and etc from the very dead 70s, and also leaving aside the whole life OF
MINSKY, and then sussma
mircea_popescu: (note that the tempting "obvious" approach -- describe foo then!!! -- is not only fucking broken, but broken in the exact way
minsky wasted life trying to produce. there can not be ~description~, the only way to induce meaning in the machine is through filiation. v-produced foo has a very strict "wtf is it ??" answer associated, but also very fine and not structure-driven.)
a111: Logged on 2018-05-14 23:01 mircea_popescu: mit says minksy must use the color green.
minsky ignored. mit spent 500 politruk-hours to discern whether he even did what they said or not ; came up with either of these.
minsky still ignored.
mircea_popescu: that
minsky had or had not "his" "bank account" zeroed is ENTIRELY not related to
minsky.
mircea_popescu: for random reasons mit decides
minsky is no longer allowed in the building ; sussman gave him his key card.
mircea_popescu: mit says minksy must use the color green.
minsky ignored. mit spent 500 politruk-hours to discern whether he even did what they said or not ; came up with either of these.
minsky still ignored.
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2018-04-12 20:48 asciilifeform: spyked: if you recall, back in the '
minsky age', that was the initial attraction of mechanical 'reasoners' -- discovery of ~simple~ inferences
a111: Logged on 2014-11-13 23:07 mircea_popescu: In the days when Sussman was a novice,
Minsky once came to him as he sat hacking at the PDP-6.
mircea_popescu: i suppose i should have used
minsky instead, sussman is a) still extant and b) kinda moved away from ai in the idyllic sense towards more practical applications IE SOLD OUT!
phf`: “One day Trurl decided to build a reddit user, but he was afraid that
Minsky was going to built one before him. Meanwhile
Minsky was building a reddit user of his own, and was trying to hide him from Trurl. etc.
mircea_popescu: reddit users were rendered obsolete by "ai" back in the days of
minsky.
a111: Logged on 2016-05-31 19:46 asciilifeform: this is '
minsky's dark room' all over again.
phf: at some point, when i have something to write about. i would've liked to do
minsky eulogy for example, but i knew very little about the guy
ascii_butugychag: and yes,
minsky had nfi that he would thermonuke the whole racket
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu:
minsky's proof bulldozed funding for 'ai' for many years; often called the first 'ai winter'
ascii_butugychag:
minsky, incidentally, also invented confocal microscope. and ocular display.
ascii_butugychag: btw
minsky was quite possibly the most intellectually honest fella in the whole field
mircea_popescu:
minsky's probably the more advanced work on theoretical neurology to date.
ascii_field:
minsky wrote an entertaining b00k re: brain-as-multiorgan-system
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: are you an aficionado (or the reverse) of m.
minsky's 'society of mind' thing ?
phf: i know there's some tension between yaron
minsky's (of jane street capital) extensions to core library and inria's core, but someone with better knowledge of language can chime if inria is in the wrong
phf: there's greenblatt, tom knight, david moon, daniel weinreb, guy steele, peter norvig, abelson&sussman, jack holloway. stallman and
minsky. not to mention cracauer, eller, fahlman, maclachlan, rme, ron garret of the later people that i know of, tons of people i'm forgetting.
mircea_popescu: not because it wasn't done. but because the idiots doing it (yes,
minsky and all) were idiots about the one thing that matters, which had little to do with their actual target.
mircea_popescu: and yes, one of the many different reasons bayesianism is little more than "a cult of ai without moon or
minsky aka stupid"
mircea_popescu: a much better caption would be
minsky with his eyes closed.
mircea_popescu: In the days when Sussman was a novice,
Minsky once came to him as he sat hacking at the PDP-6.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: because i always thought that
minsky & all may be nice and good