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ascii_butugychag: !s minsky
assbot: 26 results for 'minsky' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=minsky
pete_dushenski: but by... wolfram
pete_dushenski: your favourite, neh ? ;)
BingoBoingo: https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/42z5yy/cryptsy_cofounder_and_josh_garza_coconspirator_is/
assbot: Cryptsy Co-founder and Josh Garza Co-conspirator is the ideas guy behind Bitcoin Classic : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1ScjT40 )
pete_dushenski: "…teacher pay in the United States seems more like something from Soviet-era Russia than 21st century America. Wages for teachers are low, egalitarian and not based on performance. We pay phys ed teachers about the same as math teachers despite the fact that math teachers have greater opportunities elsewhere in the economy. As a result, we have lots of excellent phys ed teachers but not nearly enough excellent math
pete_dushenski: chers…" << good for gladiators (us-style football), not so good for anything or anyone else.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Phys ed egalitarianism though backstops a tournament market. Not every PE teacher/coach can be Nick Saban, but they all want to be.
jurov: how do you pay teachers based on performance?
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: who's he again ?
BingoBoingo: It's a mystery
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Roll Tide
pete_dushenski still has to google
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag> you and i can also win against world champion with nine stone handicap, quite possibly. << i have. friendly game tho.
mircea_popescu: and looky, they gotta get the shareholders excited. remember how jobs built apple ?
ascii_butugychag: i thought mircea_popescu only played gurlz
pete_dushenski: nah, just things that start with the letter 'g'
mircea_popescu: well there's a lot of championships :D
ascii_butugychag: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=24-04-2015#1109953 << see also ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 24-04-2015 22:00:56; mircea_popescu: i... had to leave.
pete_dushenski: !up ascii_butugychag
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21300 @ 0.00055318 = 11.7827 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Nick Saban is the person who has the job all PE teachers and coaches want.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: ANd this is because it turns out public schools really do the tournament market thing with some jobs.
pete_dushenski: did saban start as a hs teacher then ?
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Unsure. He trained for the same job market they did.
BingoBoingo: And occasially yes, HS teachers make the jump from public high school coaching to public university coaching and the long slog of trying to supplant Saban in the job market.
pete_dushenski: !up d_rebel_
thestringpuller imagaines elementary school PE teacher coaching the shit out of some 6 year olds playing football.
deedbot-: [Qntra] Oregon Standoff Supplanted In US Media By Celebrity Drama - http://qntra.net/2016/01/oregon-standoff-supplanted-in-us-media-by-celebrity-drama/
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: some college coaches rake in more than nfl coaches, neh ?
thestringpuller: Do NFL coaches have salary cap like players?
thestringpuller: nope. they don't have salary cap it seems.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Well there's a lot of NFL/College back and forth on all coaching positions. In the lower levels of the coaching heirarchy high school coaches often make it in.
thestringpuller: prolly why baseball is so skewed. lack of salary cap on players. well capitalized teams always beat out the underdogs, (hence the creation of moneyball)
BingoBoingo: Baseball is great because teams tend to suck at deciding who the player to offer the mega, instead of merely lucrative, contracts to.
thestringpuller: overpaid players underperforming. sounds a lot like CEOs.
BingoBoingo: Or getting injured.
BingoBoingo: Or the particular way they are so much better not really being worth the premium price in the larger scheme of things.
BingoBoingo: And if you get to an especially spendy team that isn't careful about curating their acquisitions like the Dodgers, you get the personality conflicts.
thestringpuller: github is getting ddosed
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53500 @ 0.00055927 = 29.9209 BTC [+] {3}
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: makes sense given what i've heard about the size of the hs market. http://www.businessinsider.com/allen-texas-largest-high-school-football-stadiums-2011-2 << 5yo and still bananas in scale. there are surely bigger venues today.
assbot: 10 ginormous high-school stadiums that were bought with tax dollars - Business Insider ... ( http://bit.ly/1OQtOrW )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18800 @ 0.0005569 = 10.4697 BTC [-]
guruvan: yah - they're saying they're down on twitter thestringpuller
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Well, everything is bigger in Texas... except the dicks
trinque: ahem.
BingoBoingo: !b 2 ✂︎
assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/17R50MT.txt )
pete_dushenski: anywho, i'm off to the races. chip chip cheerio mates!
BingoBoingo: trinque: I'll take that comment back if you can get together a freedom loving militia to liberate the Alamo. I'll need something to write about after Obola goes Janet Reno mass murder in Oregon Waco style.
trinque: lol, I have my doubts about the Alamo's defensibility
BingoBoingo: But its history shows that it is good for amplifying the effect of a defensive force in battle. Santa Anna might not have tried taking it if he had to pay out life insurance...
BingoBoingo: !Up HostFat
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88460 @ 0.00056072 = 49.6013 BTC [+] {4}
BingoBoingo: https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/42xa4o/roger_ver_outraged_when_his_friend_eric_posts_on/
assbot: Roger Ver outraged when his friend Eric posts on r/bitcoin, but accidently admits he reads r/bitcoin instead of his r/btc cesspool. : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1OQv6mS )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49400 @ 0.00055649 = 27.4906 BTC [-] {3}
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell polarbeard It is very important that you come clean on whether your name is read PolarBeard or PolarBearD ☟︎
gribble: The operation succeeded.
polarbeard: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-01-2016#1387356 << actually is polar beard ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 28-01-2016 01:14:19; BingoBoingo: ;;later tell polarbeard It is very important that you come clean on whether your name is read PolarBeard or PolarBearD
BingoBoingo: that's the far worse choice
polarbeard: that's why I chose it
BingoBoingo: a daemon for routing polar bears would be far more useful
polarbeard: too much charisma is dangerous
BingoBoingo: Lots of things are dangerous. A value underflow bug in a polar bear routing daemon though would be dangerous in the awesome way.
BingoBoingo: MAXINT-1 polar bears appearing in arbitrary places, etc
polarbeard: buffer underflow is the less exciting I ever heard
polarbeard: *bug
BingoBoingo: exiting depends not on the mechanics of the bug, but on what it does
BingoBoingo: Imagine you're in your basement, about to jack it when suddenly 9223372036854775806 polar bears spawn at you location. Not so less exciting anymore is it?
polarbeard: thanks, now I'm polarbored.
BingoBoingo: And whose failing is that? You could be doing literally anything right now. You could be reading, coding, or playing Natasha Henstridge but instead you are letting yourself be bored.
polarbeard: nice try Natasha.
mod6: ok asciilifeform
mod6: here we got, a few thins
mod6: *things
asciilifeform: hm?
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 393.28, vol: 4458.55944830 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 394.82, vol: 5628.47803 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 393.44, vol: 8847.27119001 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 389.99, vol: 0.067 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 396.84616, vol: 29501.99640000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 393.79011, vol: 209.50503808 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 400.715199989, vol: 52.67371176 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: ;;more
gribble: 395.657700093
mod6: man
mod6: ok.
mod6: so http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-December/000185.html << sig doesnt use the correct nomenclature.
assbot: [BTC-dev] Programmable Version Strings. ... ( http://bit.ly/1mdvdyY )
mod6: ditto this one: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-January/000191.html
assbot: [BTC-dev] Malleus Mikehearnificarum. ... ( http://bit.ly/1K7GR40 )
asciilifeform: mod6: this one looks like it got mangled
asciilifeform: by the ml
asciilifeform: can rename
mod6: I just noticed this now. And the sig verifies just fine, but yah. mis-named in the email so that threw me off a bit.
mod6: anyway... thats just an fyi
mod6: but moving on to your tinyscheme stuff...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54250 @ 0.00055657 = 30.1939 BTC [+] {3}
mod6: so yes, if I drop those into my patches dir with a full sync with V [v99997] it does indeed break my seal validation.
asciilifeform: gonna have to rebake these
asciilifeform: as i suspected
mod6: and its because of one line that i'm not being strict enough with my regex. ☟︎
mod6: i have fixed it in my forthcoming v99996, and this shouldn't be a problem any more.
mod6: however, yeah, as you noted, your patches dont press out probably quite right because of the timestamps
mod6: but I have this for you to review:
mod6: http://dpaste.com/3ZRTB23.txt
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JGtLjC )
asciilifeform: ick
asciilifeform: much barf
mod6: but, the good news is, other than those little hiccups, i think it would have been fine.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-01-2016#1387144 >>>>>> ask and thou shall receive: http://imgur.com/a/TEptA ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 27-01-2016 20:23:36; mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag put a pic up ?
assbot: ads from volkicher beobachter - Album on Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1JGu0vb )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mod6: so im highly tempted to actually just rename the seal files in the mirror for Programmable Version Strings and the Malleus Mikehearnificarum, but will resist. you should probably just re-post as annoying as that may seem.
asciilifeform: mod6: just these ?
asciilifeform: iirc there were many other mangled names
mod6: it's just those two sig files ya.
mod6: there are mangled names in just about every email for se
mod6: here's what I had to do to each:
mod6: mv asciilifeform_malleus_mikehearnificarum.vpatch.sig asciilifeform_malleus_mikehearnificarum.vpatch.asciilifeform.sig
mod6: mv asciilifeform-programmable-versionstring.vpatch.sig asciilifeform-programmable-versionstring.vpatch.asciilifeform.sig
mod6: fromthe emails:
mod6: Name: asciilifeform_malleus_mikehearnificarum.vpatch.sig
asciilifeform: ah hm
asciilifeform: 1sec
mod6: Name: asciilifeform-programmable-versionstring.vpatch.sig
mod6: yup np. all of your others have been 100% accurate.
asciilifeform: ok latest 2 should work
asciilifeform: (i assume this is being eaten by a script somewhere..)
asciilifeform: mod6: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-January/000195.html but other one got eaten for some reason
assbot: [BTC-dev] (repost for mod6) Programmable Version Strings. ... ( http://bit.ly/1PTUaHd )
mod6 looks
asciilifeform: OH FOR FUCKS SAKE turdatron WON'T ACCEPT the naming convention
asciilifeform: i am ~very~ tired of this.
mod6: yeah, you're right. it hosed it.
mod6: thought it was just a oversight or something.
mod6: changing the signature file name doesn't actually change the signature - but i was just hoping to get 'em both in the ML for posterity
mod6: maybe i should just fix the names in the V Mirror @ http://thebitcoin.foundation/v/seals ☟︎
assbot: Index of /v/seals ... ( http://bit.ly/1JGvLbu )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29584 @ 0.00055963 = 16.5561 BTC [+] {2}
mod6: well, we've got a well-named sig for malleus
mod6: you wanna roll the dice and see if you can get one through for PVS that isn't mangled? or should we wait for jurov?
mod6: in the mean time i'll update the mirror with the good sig from malleus
mod6: haha, it's like trying to get one through the golies legs.
mod6: *goalies
jurov: waitwhat
jurov: asciilifeform: did you submit the same clearsigned text twice?
jurov: if so, it was eaten as antispam protection (to prevent someone taking any existing clearsigned doc and repeatedly sending it $maxint times)
jurov: when reposting, you must change the text and clearsign again
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 105900 @ 0.00055413 = 58.6824 BTC [-] {4}
jurov: i'm fully aware it's infuriating but i don't see a way how to prevent repeated posting of stuff that changes only by unsigned data (like, attachment names)
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-01-2016#1387397 << unintentional fuzzing ftw. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 28-01-2016 02:00:27; mod6: and its because of one line that i'm not being strict enough with my regex.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dude looks so out of place in the desert the only thing that conjures up is "nigga gettin' killed".
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-01-2016#1387434 << this is not so hot, we'll end up carrying water by hand for a few feet ? ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 28-01-2016 02:18:38; mod6: maybe i should just fix the names in the V Mirror @ http://thebitcoin.foundation/v/seals
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 123079 @ 0.00055373 = 68.1525 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47300 @ 0.00055052 = 26.0396 BTC [-]
mod6: mircea_popescu: yah, im more inclined to just wait until a new sig, properly named is sent.
mod6: jurov: the original emails -- either asciilifeform named them incorrectly or the email server munged the names. ☟︎
mod6: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-December/000185.html
assbot: [BTC-dev] Programmable Version Strings. ... ( http://bit.ly/1mdvdyY )
mod6: and
mod6: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-January/000191.html
assbot: [BTC-dev] Malleus Mikehearnificarum. ... ( http://bit.ly/1K7GR40 )
mod6: they should have signatures that are named as follows:
mod6: asciilifeform-programmable-versionstring.vpatch.asciilifeform.sig
mod6: asciilifeform_malleus_mikehearnificarum.vpatch.asciilifeform.sig
mod6: but these didn't come through like that. it's missing the 'asciilifeform' between 'vpatch' and 'sig'.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20050 @ 0.00055323 = 11.0923 BTC [+] {2}
mod6: im not sure what happend just now with the re-submits that alf did, one made it through ok, the other did not.
mod6: and again, i have no way of telling if they were named correctly in the first place or it was the ML. but... its certainly something that should be in a log file or something, you may wanna have a look.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40728 @ 0.00056087 = 22.8431 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52472 @ 0.00056555 = 29.6755 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: but in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/37f673f75257029ea06509a30f710ac1/tumblr_nzhbkekKU81uqlm9xo1_1280.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1QEL064 )
mod6: dang
mircea_popescu: and with friends http://41.media.tumblr.com/5ac2902571136364f43b292f72144eea/tumblr_nzbp6dcxXh1uqlm9xo1_1280.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1QEL8Tj )
mod6: man.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 105199 @ 0.00054954 = 57.8111 BTC [-] {5}
funkenstein_: greetings logaholics
funkenstein_: i came across some light reading which might be enjoyed by Orlovians http://www.feasta.org/2012/06/17/trade-off-financial-system-supply-chain-cross-contagion-a-study-in-global-systemic-collapse/
assbot: Trade Off: Financial system supply-chain cross contagion – a study in global systemic collapse | Feasta ... ( http://bit.ly/1OQHp2m )
funkenstein_: anyway looking forward to banging my head against the wall figuring out what shiva is supposed to do
mircea_popescu: introducing, the real shiva : http://40.media.tumblr.com/71bfe7901e25aceeaff35548acc7d8f8/tumblr_nv38fkJkSv1uqlm9xo1_1280.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1OQHIdA )
mircea_popescu: please to bang against wall.
mircea_popescu: who has persian rugs in the bathroom ? romanians, that's who!
asciilifeform: mod6: i sent the first 'resend' by mistake with the old files. then again with new, but this was eaten.
mod6: ah.
mod6: ok
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56350 @ 0.00055375 = 31.2038 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72694 @ 0.00054859 = 39.8792 BTC [-] {4}
deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 10.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Donald Trump gets Republican Nomination - http://bitbet.us/bet/1206/donald-trump-gets-republican-nomination/#b81
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 230 @ 0.00649981 = 1.495 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57250 @ 0.00054783 = 31.3633 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 94306 @ 0.00054783 = 51.6637 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51596 @ 0.00055702 = 28.74 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: Ah, 10 BTC was still not enough to make Trump the BitBet favorite nominee over Rubio.
mircea_popescu: lol!
BingoBoingo: And we all of course know that the BitBet favorite is still the real favorite in spite of all protests to the contrary
BingoBoingo: ;;nethash
gribble: 949537783.966
danielpbarron: i think Paul's gonna have a comeback now that trump free'd up a spot in the debate for him
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11400 @ 0.00055707 = 6.3506 BTC [+] {2}
mats: there is an interesting opportunity here for folks to analyze bitbet outcomes to date
mats: and on the subject of bitbet, third party audit of reserves isn't coming back, huh
mircea_popescu: on and off.
mircea_popescu: wasn't ever intended to be a permanent thing.
mats: great for bragging rights -- 'provable, double reverse fractional reserve'
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: in vaguely related news, http://adevarul.ro/news/bucuresti/ziua-pantaloni-metrou-fost-sarbatorita-zece-oameni-eveniment-participat-singura-fata-1_5692862b37115986c657a86e/index.html << ro hipsters wanna-be no pants day, nine dudes and a ditzy cow show up in short pants in the subway. the few who don't ignore lol.
assbot: FOTO VIDEO Ziua fără pantaloni la metrou a fost sărbătorită de zece oameni. La eveniment a participat o singură fată | adevarul.ro ... ( http://bit.ly/1PGrJ5x )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47300 @ 0.00055708 = 26.3499 BTC [+] {2}
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell BingoBoingo batter up ! http://dpaste.com/20MDFFH.txt
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qu1KLq )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: ty
BingoBoingo: Sweet, someone else claiming the 4 word "sorry for your loss"
pete_dushenski: 'sfyl' should almost be in the style guide
BingoBoingo: It's jsut a temporary thing happening while fiat dies
pete_dushenski: this 'temporary' thing is older than we are ;/
BingoBoingo: Not much though.
pete_dushenski: gold window closed in what, 71 ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45947 @ 0.00055708 = 25.5962 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Eh, details
deedbot-: [Qntra] Facebook Reaches New Highs As Money Laundry Spins - http://qntra.net/2016/01/facebook-reaches-new-highs-as-money-laundry-spins/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 104100 @ 0.00055799 = 58.0868 BTC [+] {5}
pete_dushenski: in related currency news, i'm thinking that a stop in poland (after a stop in amsterdam) is a more cost-effective european destination than germany this summer. fuck this cad-eur rate, i'll take the eur-pln even if it means a plane instead of a train.
pete_dushenski: also, fuck aeroplan and its worthless goddam points.
BingoBoingo: Also less chance of rapefugee encounters
pete_dushenski: "no one could've predicted 100x inflation after we gave everyone a million free sign-up miles and a million more every time they filled up with gas!"
pete_dushenski: also, horrendous routings.
pete_dushenski: klm has direct yeg-ams flights now. so. cool. and a big loss for air canada. (and even iceland air, who recently opened up routes to europe through rjekjavik instead of toronto or london, which was a big deal until this new klm route stole its thunder)
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: funny, i was looking at cologne too !
BingoBoingo: Can't take the child there. They are already being targeted in Sweden for being defenseless.
pete_dushenski: having been to the other major centres in germany, it's time for the second-tier.
pete_dushenski: speaking of germany, i was actually just looking at this leather belt i bought in berlin last time (ok, the only time) i was there, found myself admiring it (it's defo my fave), noticed that the shop's url was stamped on the inside of the belt, realised that i actually need a new black leather belt, and so ordered one from the same shop... only to be assraped by the woeful cad-eur and shipping costs. alas, there
pete_dushenski: 's nothing quite like a hoffnung berlin belt and i can't delay ~all~ gratification forever.
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: monsieur pantagruel can fend for himself. hell, he can defend me too !
pete_dushenski: this is actually my plan in case he ends up 'simple' : bodyguard
BingoBoingo: Ah.
danielpbarron: >> This is a strange label when you consider than all personal computers << consider *that ?
pete_dushenski: ayup.
BingoBoingo: fxd
pete_dushenski: thx
danielpbarron: >> of total revenueFacebook reaches new << not sure here
danielpbarron: >> kicks into high gea in that period << *gear
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70250 @ 0.00055813 = 39.2086 BTC [+] {2}
pete_dushenski: ^ BingoBoingo
pete_dushenski: that whole weird sentence just appeared in bb's edit
BingoBoingo: fxd
pete_dushenski: not quite, "Facebook reaches new highs as laundry machine kicks into high gear" should be removed entirely
pete_dushenski: this was my suggested title, not content ;/
BingoBoingo: fxd
pete_dushenski: gratzi
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all --currency rmb
gribble: BTCChina BTCRMB last: 2533.01, vol: 38366.80770000 | Volume-weighted last average: 2533.01
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34500 @ 0.00055404 = 19.1144 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6170 @ 0.00055843 = 3.4455 BTC [+] {2}
deedbot-: [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Because there’s no end to anything. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/01/28/because-theres-no-end-to-anything/
pete_dushenski to slumber and dream, hopefully not for the last time.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13446 @ 0.00055404 = 7.4496 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35380 @ 0.00056393 = 19.9518 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32450 @ 0.00055905 = 18.1412 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39800 @ 0.00055404 = 22.0508 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24537 @ 0.00055628 = 13.6494 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23300 @ 0.00055909 = 13.0268 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9850 @ 0.00055709 = 5.4873 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65828 @ 0.00055793 = 36.7274 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9976 @ 0.00055944 = 5.581 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41050 @ 0.00055691 = 22.8612 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 189535 @ 0.0005546 = 105.1161 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43650 @ 0.00055252 = 24.1175 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79309 @ 0.00055154 = 43.7421 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2272 @ 0.00054773 = 1.2444 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7114 @ 0.00054773 = 3.8966 BTC [-] {2}
punkman: https://blog.ycombinator.com/basic-income ☟︎
assbot: Basic Income - Y Combinator Posthaven ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZUWkvE )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30286 @ 0.00054628 = 16.5446 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30800 @ 0.00054613 = 16.8208 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72207 @ 0.00054633 = 39.4489 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44900 @ 0.00054788 = 24.5998 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30885 @ 0.00055142 = 17.0306 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55108 @ 0.00055102 = 30.3656 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2016/01/the-future-is-blivets.html << mega-orl0l
assbot: ClubOrlov: The Future is Blivets ... ( http://bit.ly/1SLTh9N )
asciilifeform: 'A similar problem exists with the biggest futures market in the world: in crude oil. Here, traders have been having a merry old time taking advantage of a notional glut, driving the price of crude lower and lower. They could drive it as low as $1 a barrel, but then what? The problem is, nobody on earth can produce oil that cheaply, and so a day will come when somebody will demand delivery on their $1/bbl crude contract, and t
asciilifeform: he only response will be an echo, as tumbleweeds blow across the abandoned oil fields.'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20146 @ 0.00055561 = 11.1933 BTC [+] {3}
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-01-2016#1387575 << everybody burning with desire to be warehoused with the lumpens, raise yer handz! ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 28-01-2016 10:50:02; punkman: https://blog.ycombinator.com/basic-income
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9850 @ 0.00055789 = 5.4952 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: i do wonder, do the 'basic income' folks simply not understand the hierarchical role of money? or think that it can be magicked away? or do not, but lie about it ? ☟︎
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8451 @ 0.00055789 = 4.7147 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: quite blivets.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they do not WISH for there to be a hierarchy.
mircea_popescu: and they WISH for what they wish to matter above and beyond anything else.
asciilifeform: wake me up when basic roquefort, basic country house, and basic electron microscope.
mircea_popescu: ergo..
mircea_popescu: there is "basic roquefort" right here, in the future-usa that is argentina.
asciilifeform: until then i'll slowly kill myself working like the other working folk
mircea_popescu: it's god-awful. and they "pretend" to not know in the sense they're too fucking stupid to figure it out.
asciilifeform: aha i recall that one. but i don't think anybody is thinking of ~it~ when he wants 'basic...'
polarbeard: I'm a 'basic income' supporter, the earlier the govs default the better
mircea_popescu: see also, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-01-2016#1358565 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 02-01-2016 02:11:16; lobito: i can name you many
mircea_popescu: ax
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform define "anyone".
mircea_popescu: what, does anyone know or does anyone not know that they're currently not getting anything even remotely like a college education, for more money than charles tried to raise but got instead a civil war ?
asciilifeform: anyone who bothered to think for five minutes. and yes, 'basic money' appealed to me as a student, because 'what can it possibly cost to feed maxint folks like me, almost nothing' but this is a classic partial differentiation mistake
asciilifeform: (ignores the turkey-rationing aspect)
mircea_popescu: (ftr, for they innocent of history - the entire cromwell debacle originally started with disputes over whether charles can or can't ask for a few measly thousand pounds in tax)
asciilifeform: aha i recall
asciilifeform: but mircea_popescu has a point in that i have no idea how many 'anyones' are even left.
asciilifeform: endangered species.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's a fucking reason "basic money" appears to basic kids. that's why they basically have parents!
mircea_popescu: appeals* check me out im turning chinese
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37650 @ 0.00055781 = 21.0015 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: engrish as she is sp0k3n
mircea_popescu: she cow pig had kittens!
asciilifeform: l0l!
mircea_popescu: wow check it out, apparently that's not on the internet ?! OMG THE WHOLE KNOWNOLEDGE OF HU THE MANITEE AT MY FINGERTIPS!!1
mircea_popescu: so hu the manatee says : in chinese pigdin, english vocabulary is used to cover chinese grammar. consequently she the cow of a pig, ie a sow, had kittens ie young ones ie pigglets.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63376 @ 0.00055789 = 35.3568 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: this was actually pretty clear from first parse
asciilifeform: interestingly
mircea_popescu: sign of being a sociopath1
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16783 @ 0.00055915 = 9.3842 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: in other pigglet news, https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/2a/3b/5b/2a3b5be53b1fec8a511cb43f55652e33.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1NCQTu2 )
mircea_popescu: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-vCMiYSeIVXs/VKraB3G2bdI/AAAAAAAAF3c/NUCXGf_1zI0/s1600/QuidnonHeaderTHUMB.png << where the fuck does he find all the patently obvious, dastardly inept snake oil to decorate his blog with ?
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1PkWquM )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: he actually builds those !
mircea_popescu: dude...
asciilifeform: that thing is, or purports to be, his new boat.
mircea_popescu: only someone who has never sailed in his life would describe that abomination as a boat.
asciilifeform: he has whole book on why folks should accept it as boat.
asciilifeform: i have not read it, can't bring myself to.
mircea_popescu: this is inland iobag ineptitude on the scale of http://trilema.com/2010/moment-de-visare/
assbot: Moment de visare on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZdE3sU )
asciilifeform: and pretty much all of the comments say exactly what mircea_popescu said.
mircea_popescu: heh.
mircea_popescu: it's not merely just bad. it specifically looks like the fundamentally broken vision of one who does not understand the topic. like that fixed jesus image.
asciilifeform: except that i get same comments on my computing bl0g
asciilifeform: for same reason
mircea_popescu: to be specific : any item, no matter what sort of item, as long as it exists in some sort of context, no matter the context, has some parts drawn under the pressure of that context.
asciilifeform: mr o is a sea crackpot. he knows how x, y, z, are done, and ~disagrees~
mircea_popescu: it is the characteristic macula of the idiots unaware of the context to stick all the stuff they want in all the spots they don't understand
mircea_popescu: this changes the shape of the item in question, from what you'd expect based on the context, to what best fits their own ignorance.
asciilifeform: 'shit sticking off the side!111'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's a difference between this and that.
mircea_popescu: he doesn't disagree. he doesn't know. to disagree you must first understand.
mircea_popescu: see, my reaction isn't "this doesn't look like what i'm used to see". my reaction is "this looks specifically like what someone'd make that has no idea".
asciilifeform: btw mr o has been weathering flames by 'deep sea vessel MUST have a keel' folks for many years
mircea_popescu: that is merely a poor expression of the problem,
asciilifeform: he always answers 'fuck you, folding keel, beachable boat suxxx'
mircea_popescu: because many folks don't have the ability to express nonsense at the right level, and the few who do don't have the time or patience to deal with random blogspot nuts.
asciilifeform: (rather, unbeachable)
asciilifeform: now this may be.
mircea_popescu: the "it must have keel" objection is akin to protesting spina bifida on the terms of "mammals must have an atlas bone".
asciilifeform: at any rate, eventually he will finish gluing that thing together and move into it, if passes poseidon's exam, may be worth reading
asciilifeform: otherwise snore
mircea_popescu: "no they don't! horses don't even have collarbones and they're mammals!!1"
mircea_popescu: this is, incidentally, how snake oilism survives and perpetuates. negotiating and exploiting the general inability to form objections properly.
mircea_popescu: really should be taught in highschool. "Objectivism - a class on how to object. It's mandatory unless you figure out how to get yourself out of it."
asciilifeform: l0l, sadly it got namesquatted
mircea_popescu: i regard my principal education in college being this.
mircea_popescu: meh i mean highschool.
mircea_popescu: anyway, his discussion of oil is pretty much afield. for one thing, inventories are way the fuck up (tho i don't expect he has an inkling of a clue as to how to look it up, and besides - so much easier to pronounce stupid shit), and deliveries are actually stalled by the buyers!
mircea_popescu: you want to take possession of a billion or so barrels, amoco is more than happy to cool you off, get in touch.
asciilifeform: per my reading, he was arguing in favour of 'giant sits down on small stool' thing
mircea_popescu: "I am not kidding. I wrote the book on that."
asciilifeform: where yes, billion barrels today, 0 tomorrow
mircea_popescu: dude why the fuck am i even reading this. pfff.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform actually the problem is consumption fell off a cliff.
asciilifeform: as mr o predicted in '08 aha
mircea_popescu: it's a combination of multisecular trends. one is a hate of plastics, that has been brewing for at least five decades. the other is a hate of self, that;s been brewing since ww2, and that expresses itself variously, but for instance in current "carbon"-ecology. ☟︎
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61450 @ 0.00055915 = 34.3598 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dude predicted NOTHING to date. not a single thing. the shit he "predicts" is generally 3rd hand restatement of stuff first restated in the 70s.
asciilifeform: afaik none of the ideas are original to him, no
asciilifeform: but he was my introduction to the subject of 'petrocollapse will involve ludicrously cheap oil'
mircea_popescu: but whatever, "the internet contains all human knowledge" and consequently all the discussion re oil economy post the arab shock never happened,
mircea_popescu: because it's in books and shit. jeez. mom wasn't even taking it in the ass back then!
asciilifeform bbl
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70667 @ 0.00055915 = 39.5135 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: speaking of self hate, here's a splendid illustration : https://www.literotica.com/s/the-good-guy-always-loses-ch-01
assbot: The Good Guy Always Loses Ch. 01 - NonConsent/Reluctance - Literotica.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1KcQrYD )
mircea_popescu: the trend is definitely unamerican, in fact it may well have been what produced despondent turds a la orwell and overall sunk the british empire, too. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: angloconsumption.
jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-01-2016#1387456 << nope. it currently does not munge (except for unsavory chars filter, which is not the case) nor check filenames against any pattern ☝︎☟︎
assbot: Logged on 28-01-2016 03:05:06; mod6: jurov: the original emails -- either asciilifeform named them incorrectly or the email server munged the names.
jurov: even when it will check for v candidates, it will *not filter*. except for spammy duplicates.
jurov: or was there a recent case the names in email are different from archives?
shinohai: ;;later tell danielpbarron searched for eulora pass, still no luck I'll get with ya when I get an account sorted.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41003 @ 0.00056069 = 22.99 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35900 @ 0.0005578 = 20.025 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87963 @ 0.00055565 = 48.8766 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4740 @ 0.00055565 = 2.6338 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: shinohai what is this destroying pws business!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67027 @ 0.00056073 = 37.584 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11501 @ 0.00056074 = 6.4491 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24200 @ 0.00056074 = 13.5699 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23200 @ 0.00055818 = 12.9498 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 135007 @ 0.00056193 = 75.8645 BTC [+] {2}
mod6: asciilifeform: when you get a chance tonight or whatever, try to send through a correctly named sig for: 'asciilifeform-programmable-versionstring.vpatch' plz ☟︎
mod6: thanks in advance.
thestringpuller: is the version string patch going into the newest release?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38600 @ 0.0005554 = 21.4384 BTC [-] {3}
mod6: i think it will, as long as I can get it tested. i haven't played with that one at all, other than compiling and running with it -- gives a version of 99999 by default.
mod6: shinohai tried to play with the command line flags but had some trouble. this isn't resolved yet. i was going to try those out myself, but I have had other fish to fry first.
thestringpuller: once I'm up to sync, i'll patch that in and restart the node
mod6: k
thestringpuller: ;;ticker --markets all
gribble: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitfinex. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make (1 more message)
thestringpuller: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 382.3, vol: 10815.86675241 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 385.358, vol: 5888.82959 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 382.82, vol: 22401.78461278 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 389.99, vol: 0.067 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 386.951758, vol: 39396.81020000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 386.83, vol: 318.61664333 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 388.299, vol: 130.56197188 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
thestringpuller: ;;more
gribble: 385.025035757
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13485 @ 0.00055399 = 7.4706 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34760 @ 0.00055399 = 19.2567 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: !up ascii_butugychag
ascii_butugychag: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-01-2016#1387704 << will do ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 28-01-2016 15:16:15; mod6: asciilifeform: when you get a chance tonight or whatever, try to send through a correctly named sig for: 'asciilifeform-programmable-versionstring.vpatch' plz
ascii_butugychag: mod6: i actually re-sent a correct one last night, it vanished.
ascii_butugychag: without a trace.
ascii_butugychag: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-01-2016#1387688 << so where did it go... ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 28-01-2016 13:47:59; jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-01-2016#1387456 << nope. it currently does not munge (except for unsavory chars filter, which is not the case) nor check filenames against any pattern
ascii_butugychag: perhaps turdatron ought to be an ftp
ascii_butugychag: email suxx
ascii_butugychag: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-01-2016#1387686 << the appearance of 'despondent turds' doesn't sink empires though, it is quite the reverse ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 28-01-2016 13:43:29; mircea_popescu: the trend is definitely unamerican, in fact it may well have been what produced despondent turds a la orwell and overall sunk the british empire, too.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99150 @ 0.00054863 = 54.3967 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17708 @ 0.00055167 = 9.769 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: ascii_butugychag: So never send you an email? (Guess no need since always on IRC)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33198 @ 0.00055274 = 18.3499 BTC [+]
ascii_butugychag: thestringpuller: i fucking hate email.
thestringpuller: !s from:ascii* email
assbot: 68 results for 'from:ascii* email' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Aascii%2A+email
thestringpuller: i guess I'll go through that to find out why.
ascii_butugychag: nah just go through the turdatron nonsense
ascii_butugychag: it wouldn't surprise me if it has taken up more log space to date than the entire sum of payloads in turdatron.
mircea_popescu: there isn't really a good way to do this is there.
mircea_popescu: email sucks, ftp is no better, wtf.
ascii_butugychag: sure as fuck better
ascii_butugychag: doesn't mutilate payloads.
mircea_popescu: yeah but security black hole.
ascii_butugychag: just turdatron on other end.
ascii_butugychag: what black hole.
ascii_butugychag: upload-only, 1 file at a time.
thestringpuller: at that rate you might as well just make http server similar to mpex and accept file payloard there that are signed
thestringpuller: discard the rest
thestringpuller: can't imagine 1mb vpatch that "fits in head"
ascii_butugychag: the only vpatches that have any business exceeding a few dozen kB are genesis loads
thestringpuller: !up ascii_butugychag
mircea_popescu: could work as www form... possibly better than mail.
mircea_popescu: but in other boobs, http://40.media.tumblr.com/d75460c80e3c08c2752b6156896cb6a8/tumblr_nv37f6rKc81uqlm9xo1_1280.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZW0d3u )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80400 @ 0.0005555 = 44.6622 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45666 @ 0.00055136 = 25.1784 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93484 @ 0.00054615 = 51.0563 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35500 @ 0.00054607 = 19.3855 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44317 @ 0.00054588 = 24.1918 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75200 @ 0.00054585 = 41.0479 BTC [-] {2}
ben_vulpes: woke up to this: "errors" : "EXCEPTION: St9bad_alloc \nstd::bad_alloc \nbitcoin in ProcessMessage() \n"
ben_vulpes: reference impl appears to still be running
ben_vulpes: will dig through logs later
ben_vulpes: hey!
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: those aren't boobs.
thestringpuller: I love how mircea_popescu is always mentioned in the slack logs for bitcoin core. The irony being that he doesn't pay them any attention.
jurov: ascii_butugychag: i'll try to explain third time: if you sent same clearsigned message second time, it discarded it
thestringpuller: !up ascii_butugychag
ascii_butugychag: jurov: aha! ok i get it
ascii_butugychag: but that does mean that it is quite impossible for me to do what mod6 asked for.
ascii_butugychag: ben_vulpes: you are getting oom'd
ascii_butugychag: thestringpuller: wai wut, what logs
jurov: not impossible, if you change the clearsigned text, it's ok
ascii_butugychag: hm, then will try it again tonight
ben_vulpes: interesting, ascii_butugychag, getting oom'd doesn't result in an immediate process kill?
mats: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2016/01/27/the-admiral-in-charge-of-navy-intelligence-has-not-been-allowed-to-see-military-secrets-for-years
assbot: The admiral in charge of Navy intelligence has not been allowed to see military secrets for years - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1nRGYvV )
thestringpuller: ascii_butugychag: I'll post them for amusement in a bit.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43950 @ 0.0005571 = 24.4845 BTC [+] {2}
thestringpuller: !up ascii_butugychag
thestringpuller: ascii_butugychag: http://dpaste.com/3FE9VDV.txt
thestringpuller: contains such l0lz as:
thestringpuller: coinoperated-rob: MP is a major handicap for Bitcoin. He's like unremovable training wheels, necessary early on, but now they just get in the way and make it look ridiculous
ascii_butugychag: l0l!!
thestringpuller: and:
thestringpuller: bitsko: This brand of Mircea type misanthropy and elitism is pretty funky, luckily the garbage is hot enough that most people keep it in a pile downwind usually.
ascii_butugychag: !s rat poison still works
assbot: 3 results for 'rat poison still works' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=rat+poison+still+works
mircea_popescu: <jurov> not impossible, if you change the clearsigned text, it's ok << put a tab instead of space somewhere :D
jurov: hahaha exactly NOT that
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller who the fuck are these schmucks again ?
jurov: it uses sha-1 of gpg --decrypt to spot duplicates
jurov: (and gpg --decrypt converts all spaces/newlines to cannonical representation)
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: Exactly my point. They are talking about you and, "Who the fuck are these people?"
mircea_popescu: i dunno, sounds like typical vc spew. "oh these powers that be, preventing us from ruining this thing!!1"
thestringpuller: More of the: "We need mass adoption!!!!!1" spew.
mod6: <+ascii_butugychag> mod6: i actually re-sent a correct one last night, it vanished. << oh the entire message was snarfed?
mircea_popescu: in other news, stockings! http://41.media.tumblr.com/89a6179d6b11a6c5b0d19fe5b33fbf30/tumblr_nufo9hpHOq1uew6mbo1_1280.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1PIB7FF )
mod6: <+ascii_butugychag> hm, then will try it again tonight << ok cool. got it.
jurov: mod6 read my explanation, doi you understand it?
jurov: and everyone else, if you want to resend something, *change the text* and re-clearsign
mod6: ya, i got it.
BingoBoingo: In other derp gavin comes prematurely again https://archive.is/w5VHA
assbot: bips/bip-bump2mb.mediawiki at 92e1efd0493c1cbde47304c9711f13f413cc9099 · gavinandresen/bips · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1P0ld3U )
BingoBoingo: Still sticking with 75% vote
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54850 @ 0.00055711 = 30.5575 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_butugychag
jurov: http://motherboard.vice.com/read/pssst-your-pgp-is-leaking uuuu what a fud
assbot: Pssst, Your PGP Is Leaking | Motherboard ... ( http://bit.ly/1PIDDf5 )
jurov: “PGP is the NSA's friend,” Weaver added.
shinohai: dafuq
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31820 @ 0.00055713 = 17.7279 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell pete_dushenski Did you give me a post with a number off by a factor of 1000? http://qntra.net/2016/01/facebook-reaches-new-highs-as-money-laundry-spins/#comment-43691
assbot: Facebook Reaches New Highs As Money Laundry Spins | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1P0mAj5 )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40730 @ 0.0005598 = 22.8007 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79520 @ 0.0005598 = 44.5153 BTC [+] {2}
adlai: keyid leakage can be mitigated with --hidden-encrypt-to, (then recipient must specify which key decrypts the message)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3980 @ 0.00055981 = 2.228 BTC [+]
jurov: adlai he mentions it's possible but closes with "NSA's friend" anyway
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39477 @ 0.00055088 = 21.7471 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43950 @ 0.00054991 = 24.1685 BTC [-]
ascii_butugychag: who is surprised by the keyid thing ?!
BingoBoingo: Silk Road Drug folk?
ascii_butugychag: but more to the point,
ascii_butugychag: !s public key steganography
assbot: 0 results for 'public key steganography' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=public+key+steganography
ascii_butugychag: ^ is an unsolved and possibly unsolvable boojum
ascii_butugychag: (how to encrypt such that you ~must~ have the pubkey to distinguish the ciphertext from noise)
ascii_butugychag: *have the privkey
ascii_butugychag: that is.
ascii_butugychag: this is trivial for, e.g., otp, but - i suspect provably - a no-go for anything else, esp. anything asymmetric.
ascii_butugychag: and i would love to be proven wrong about this.
ascii_butugychag: at any rate, i find it far more enraging that (incl. this same rag) is repeating the nonsense re: go being solved
ascii_butugychag: go and win against a pro WITHOUT MOTHERFUCKING HANDICAP
adlai: !up ascii_butugychag
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 303900 @ 0.00054469 = 165.5313 BTC [-] {9}
mircea_popescu: <jurov> “PGP is the NSA's friend,” Weaver added. << "keep saying it, maybe it becomes true"
fluffypony: well to be fair, it is only "pretty good"
fluffypony makes joke
adlai: GPG's Not Goodenough
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90000 @ 0.00054805 = 49.3245 BTC [+] {2}
adlai: eh this joke should've died before birth
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.00054806 = 10.9612 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: Can't you send to anonymous recipients in GPG? So the keyid doesn't show up in the ciphertext just have to try with different keys until it deciphers or doesnt.
thestringpuller: article breaks down to "n00bs shouldn't use GPG"
ascii_butugychag: thestringpuller: you can still brute-force the recipient
ascii_butugychag: by iterating over pubkeys
thestringpuller: aha. I see. wouldn't advance method be using disposable keys? (like burner cell phones)?
ascii_butugychag: may as well otp then
thestringpuller: i guess in context of secret drug dealers organizing to do hood rat shit, best method. But don't see what use of them using our keyids to identify our WoT, when that's you know...publicly available.
jurov: "brute-force the recipient by iterating over pubkeys" << ascii_butugychag sauce?
ascii_butugychag: thestringpuller: enemy exercise in self-congratulatory wanking - 'we already have metadata! who talks to whom! we won'
ascii_butugychag: jurov: you can trivially do it right now, just walk all of sks, if the pubkey is - well - public, you can determine that someone rsa'd to it
deedbot-: [Ossasepia] Foxy’s Musings on Click-Slaves vs Apprentices and Their Choices - http://www.dianacoman.com/2016/01/28/foxys-musings-on-click-slaves-vs-apprentices-and-their-choices/
ascii_butugychag: jurov: by chinese remainder theorem
ascii_butugychag: pretty sure this is in the logz
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19642 @ 0.00054806 = 10.765 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: you mean you can use that irl and not just in school?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57564 @ 0.0005488 = 31.5911 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28400 @ 0.00055283 = 15.7004 BTC [+] {2}
thestringpuller: In other derp: Shift ~10,000 users who have spent > $1,000,000 worth of bitcoin in less than 2 months
thestringpuller: ;;calc 1000000 / 10000 / 2
gribble: 50
thestringpuller: ^so 50 bucks per user per month? when will these people learn.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64100 @ 0.00055448 = 35.5422 BTC [+] {3}
BingoBoingo: !up felipelalli
BingoBoingo: Hi felipelalli how is the Brazillian press portraying the FBI atrocities in Oregon?
deedbot-: [Qntra] Gavin Andresen Proposes Same Hardfork Again - http://qntra.net/2016/01/gavin-andresen-proposes-same-hardfork-again/ ☟︎
deedbot-: [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Letter to Timothy B. Lee, senior editor at Vox.com - http://www.contravex.com/2016/01/28/letter-to-timothy-b-lee-senior-editor-at-vox-com/
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell pete_dushenski no mention of how Vox.com forbid him from owning Bitcoins in the lulzfest where Ezra Klein backtracked on his promises to Lee and Lee just took it like a bitch?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
felipelalli: Hi BingoBoingo!
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_butugychag
ascii_butugychag: how the fuck do you 'forbid from owning bitcoin' ??
felipelalli: I didn't know anything about it, just opened the newspaper now and saw. Wow.
BingoBoingo: ascii_butugychag: Cuckolding? Rectotherm?
BingoBoingo: felipelalli: Ah, yeah FBI is doing anything they can to get the Freedom Fighter out before they rack up 1 month of Freedom time
felipelalli: BingoBoingo, what a terrible news :/
BingoBoingo: Seriously
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: looks like i was indeed off my a single letter on that fb piece.
pete_dushenski: my bad.
pete_dushenski: the bb 'fxd's never end !
BingoBoingo: Aha one letter a factor of 1000, will fix
BingoBoingo: million give or take sounded right to me, haven't been on FB in long time
pete_dushenski: i think i got confoozed by the 300 bn dollar valuation. numbers and facebook just don't have meaning anymore.
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-09-2014#820694 << this what you were referring to BingoBoingo ? ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 05-09-2014 20:45:34; BingoBoingo: "This was my fault. While I don't think it's impossible to fairly cover Bitcoin while also holding some Bitcoins, the reason to make these rules blunt and general, rather than nuanced and specific, is to ensure there's no question about the motivations of the underlying coverage."
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: That and the drama leading up to it. Generated lots of noise.
pete_dushenski: well your memory is better than mine cuz i'd forgotten all about it. lost in the sea of drama noise.
BingoBoingo: I only remember it because I am good at forgetting other things.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Maybe you should try building a non-Euclidian memory palace
pete_dushenski: maybe tomorrow
BingoBoingo: Just don't make it Euclidian. Parallel lines are an anti-optimization when it comes time to recall shit.
ascii_butugychag: there really oughta be moar work re: the art of forgetting rubbish
ascii_butugychag: (garbage collection)
ascii_butugychag: say, how about a 'memory dungeon' ?
BingoBoingo: !up PeterL
PeterL: have you seen the movie "Inside out"?
BingoBoingo: ascii_butugychag: ETOH work to promote forgetting, but problems emerge because it is very non-selective.
BingoBoingo: !up felipelalli
BingoBoingo: PeterL: no haven't
pete_dushenski: "Not only can it not be trained, not even to the modest degree bravery and valor could be trained into the knight, but it exhibits a very active antieconomy of scale!" << applies to 'art of forgetting rubbish' just as well.
PeterL: Imagines the inside of the girls mind, there are mechanisms for throwing out useless data
ascii_butugychag: BingoBoingo: nagant also works, in that sense. not interesting.
BingoBoingo: ascii_butugychag: Aha. ETOH allows for some memories to remain in the meat. Achieving that with Nagant is tricky.
BingoBoingo: Nagant also frontloads side effects. ETOH lets you mortage those costs.
PeterL: most memory management tricks seem to be directed at retaining what you want, I have never seen anybody talk about throwing out useless stuff. I don't know if anybody has researched whether there is a hard limit to total storage space? ☟︎
pete_dushenski: in related nyooz, your mother is not my mother, says science : http://arstechnica.com/science/2016/01/the-caste-system-has-left-its-mark-on-indians-genomes/
assbot: The caste system has left its mark on Indians’ genomes | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/2097Hp6 )
pete_dushenski: so greatest bestest indian empire can conduct such genomic research, but usistan can not. who's poor now ?
ascii_butugychag: there's plenty india can do that usa chokes on - such as actually producing pharma cheaply
ascii_butugychag: (by pissing on patents)
pete_dushenski: re above : http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-01-2016#1379073 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 20-01-2016 21:24:19; mircea_popescu: what haplogrup was martin luther king ? or is such knowledge forbidden in the united obscurantistlands.
pete_dushenski: ascii_butugychag: and manufacturing, as india is even stealing foxconn plants from chinaland.
ascii_butugychag: so long as white man supplies the equipment - yes
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49669 @ 0.0005488 = 27.2583 BTC [-] {2}
pete_dushenski: someone must design it, yes, and that someone also isn't in india or china, also yes. but so what ? colonies are nothing new.
pete_dushenski: !up ascii_butugychag
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8714 @ 0.0005488 = 4.7822 BTC [-]
pete_dushenski: "Using a common system for extrapolating generations from genetic recombination, the researchers estimated "all upper-caste populations, except [one] from Northeast India, started to practice endogamy about 70 generations ago... This time estimate belongs to the latter half of the period when the Gupta emperors ruled large tracts of India (Gupta Empire, 319–550 CE)."" << ie. upper class is genetically distinct, the
pete_dushenski: is a rotating slurry of undifferentiable mud, the kind that wants to be 'anonymous' online.
ascii_butugychag: the what
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2678 @ 0.00054739 = 1.4659 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_butugychag
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 134458 @ 0.00055197 = 74.2168 BTC [+] {4}
BingoBoingo: https://i.sli.mg/bVwAsN.png
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1nS1wVc )
pete_dushenski: ascii_butugychag: hm ?
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: heh. veigns.
ascii_butugychag: pete_dushenski: your paste got cut off
ascii_butugychag: the ..?.. is a rotating slurry ...
pete_dushenski: the... *rest
ascii_butugychag: ah
ascii_butugychag: ftr i worked with folks from india for many years
ascii_butugychag: they tend to... segment.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61446 @ 0.00055723 = 34.2396 BTC [+] {2}
ascii_butugychag: (a ~very~ heavy chunk of biotech research establishment in usa, and likely many other such rackets, runs on indian emigres)
pete_dushenski: just like doj then.
pete_dushenski: !up Linus_
pete_dushenski: and who might you be, Linus_ ?
ascii_butugychag: pete_dushenski: they tend to 'colonize' rackets involving repetitive, tedious sorts of work
ascii_butugychag: the brahmins - at managerial levels
ascii_butugychag: the rest - below.
pete_dushenski: that pretty well matches my interactions with indians, they're either chemists or dentists.
Linus_: pete_dushenski: hey, just another bitcoiner :)
pete_dushenski: !gettrust Linus_
assbot: Linus_ is not registered in WoT.
pete_dushenski: Linus_: looks like you're not quite a bitcoiner after all.
pete_dushenski: !h
assbot: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot
pete_dushenski: ^ if you care to change that
pete_dushenski: !wot
pete_dushenski: someday...
Linus_: :) thanks
Linus_: PGP is cool, have you seen this: https://github.com/stealth/opmsg
assbot: stealth/opmsg: opmsg message encryption - GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1nS32H0 )
pete_dushenski: Linus_: if you need help with the pgp part of the equation, start here http://www.contravex.com/2014/09/23/please-to-pgp-guide-for-linux-os-x-windows/
assbot: Please To PGP (Guide for Linux, OS X, Windows) | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1OvuPYi )
Linus_: it's supposed to be like PGP , but with Forward Secrecy, and some othe stuff
ascii_butugychag: 'Perfect Forward Secrecy (PFS) by means of ECDH or DH Kex ... opmsg builds fine with any of the OpenSSL, LibreSSL and BoringSSL...' << i've read enough.
ascii_butugychag: case FREEHUGS:
ascii_butugychag: cmode = CMODE_FREEHUGS;
ascii_butugychag: break;
ascii_butugychag: l0l
ascii_butugychag: ostr<<"HUG, HUG - sell a bug.\n"; oflush();
ascii_butugychag: do i even want to know.
Linus_: pete_dushenski: Hey, that is a nice PGP tutorial. I also recommend GPA (Gnu Privacy Assistant) to beginners.
pete_dushenski: i'm sure you do.
pete_dushenski: !up ascii_butugychag
ascii_butugychag: RAND_load_file("/dev/urandom", 2048);
ascii_butugychag: / clear error queue, since FIPS loading bugs might overlay our own errors
pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2016/01/28/letter-to-timothy-b-lee-senior-editor-at-vox-com/#comment-39853 << best comment i've received in a while.
assbot: Letter to Timothy B. Lee, senior editor at Vox.com | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1nr4dwg )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34650 @ 0.00054484 = 18.8787 BTC [-] {2}
Linus_: Did you hear about the strategy to subsidize miners to stay on 1MB blocks? ☟︎
pete_dushenski: you mean a fee market ?
Linus_: no, just adding some BTC, on top of the regular 25 btc miner reward.
Linus_: kinda similar how some people donate, to keep more full nodes running.
pete_dushenski: !up Linus_
pete_dushenski: eh miners are already subsidised plenty. if they want to mine larger blocks and fork off, for the most part, it's their loss.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52600 @ 0.00054376 = 28.6018 BTC [-] {2}
danielpbarron: Linus_, hear about it? ~it~ happened.. ~here~
danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-01-2016#1382518 << behold! ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 23-01-2016 05:54:30; mircea_popescu: very simple mechanism to ACTUALLY improve your insurance : make a pool which pays 25.25 btc for the first block it finds each day.
Linus_: danielpbarron: cool
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 378.26, vol: 11317.76384923 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 382.78, vol: 5896.33304 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 377.42, vol: 24446.39294807 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 355.0, vol: 0.12003227 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 385.71453, vol: 40951.96700000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 382.25, vol: 319.68140616 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 389.463999989, vol: 142.04981566 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: ;;more
gribble: average: 382.042858889
pete_dushenski to a 'university physics mixer'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51700 @ 0.0005457 = 28.2127 BTC [+] {2}
jurov: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RSA_%28cryptosystem%29#cite_note-26 EFF phuctored rsa keys in 2012?
assbot: RSA (cryptosystem) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1NE5PYX )
jurov: some prior art claims were discussed but don't remember nor can't find this exact paper in logs ☟︎
jurov: "They were able to factor 0.2% of the keys using only Euclid's algorithm."
jurov: From the PDF:" The new data suggests that, as the body of keys grows, so does the percentage of keys a ected and that the simple step of abandoning 1024-bit keys for 2048-bit ones may be less e ective than desired.
jurov: RSA's feature that allows bad number generators to a ect other keys in such a public way is problematic."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54771 @ 0.000545 = 29.8502 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13750 @ 0.00055228 = 7.5939 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: So it's looking like Iowa's getting snow next week. No way this isn't good for my boy Rubio
BingoBoingo: A lol http://qntra.net/2016/01/gavin-andresen-proposes-same-hardfork-again/#comment-43751
assbot: Gavin Andresen Proposes Same Hard Fork Again | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1Vuvyci )
BingoBoingo misses Phuctor's web interface. Enabled so much shaming.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: it will come back !
BingoBoingo: That doesn't mean it isn't missed
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 170144 @ 0.0005462 = 92.9327 BTC [-] {4}
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mod6 http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-January/000197.html
assbot: [BTC-dev] programmable version string (resent for mod6) ... ( http://bit.ly/1Tqt8wK )
gribble: The operation succeeded.