polarbeard: you probably need to specify some paths, wot, patches and sigs
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> for any innocents : bingo is this activity where you get a bit of paper printed with numbers, there's a loudspeaker saying numbers, and you cross out the matches. << Aha, yes. It's like lottery as in person activity.
assbot: Logged on 22-01-2016 23:08:54; asciilifeform: about what a truck costs
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i dunno, it looks more like a job (and a shitty one at that) than entertainment to me.
polarbeard: right, you have to feed all the targets
polarbeard: that's why I said I don't know wether this will hit make's limits
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Gotta consider the people wo were playing. "Big prison" is already pretty well engrained into their "living"
assbot: Logged on 19-01-2016 23:27:04; buZz: i am me
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Mostly here played by the elderly
mircea_popescu: tho i suppose some of the gentlemen may prefer swedes.
mircea_popescu: polarbeard you can self-voice, say !up to assbot in private.
mircea_popescu: actually, that one reporter wasn't bad, however long ago.
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assbot: Logged on 26-06-2015 22:00:59; ielo: mircea_popescu, i'm just sick of your shit you've independently claimed like 3 people i know are scammers and your life is literally gossiping on the internet
assbot: Logged on 26-06-2015 22:13:17; mircea_popescu: anyway, ascii_field, apparently the dean is asking some questions eh ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not THAT implied. most employers of uni derps are unis.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: 8MN is par for feeding some classes of derp
assbot: Logged on 16-07-2014 21:20:07; gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: No one terribly interesting.
assbot: Logged on 01-04-2014 16:55:28; mircea_popescu: who are you ?! and why are you determined to feed my ignore list ?
assbot: Logged on 16-03-2014 18:47:15; mircea_popescu: that's maybe what are you doing. who are you ?
gribble: nubbins` was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 5 weeks, 1 day, 9 hours, 7 minutes, and 7 seconds ago: <nubbins`> <+mircea_popescu> in other news, chick on okcupid : "porque no me escribis en castellano << they say castellano in peru too, but if i'm not mistaken this is not universal in south america?
assbot: Logged on 05-12-2015 14:33:39; gribble: nubbins` was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 7 weeks, 2 days, 12 hours, 34 minutes, and 59 seconds ago: <nubbins`> autographs for only 5 tx fees
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: From what I understand nubsy occasionally has things to do like reveal laser fraud and print.
gribble: mike_c was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 11 weeks, 0 days, 23 hours, 35 minutes, and 40 seconds ago: <mike_c> let's get that thing out the door and get alf some goddamn bitcoin already
gribble: artifexd was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 39 weeks, 2 days, 2 hours, 30 minutes, and 40 seconds ago: <artifexd> I'm comfortable calling it a review. Not just of what it is but what it was and how it got to where it is.
gribble: fiat500 was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 years, 4 weeks, 2 days, 5 hours, 43 minutes, and 54 seconds ago: <fiat500> protein with a side of agony
gribble: moiety was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 year, 13 weeks, 6 days, 13 hours, and 4 seconds ago: <moiety> i have to go, it was nice to see yous
assbot: Logged on 11-01-2016 03:49:35; gribble: mike_c was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 9 weeks, 3 days, 2 hours, 38 minutes, and 15 seconds ago: <mike_c> let's get that thing out the door and get alf some goddamn bitcoin already
gribble: vragnaroda was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 years, 30 weeks, 4 days, 10 hours, 29 minutes, and 11 seconds ago: <vragnaroda> I'm American.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: OKC is where a lot of fatfishing happens
pete_dushenski: btc-e trading higher than bistamp, which is itself trading higher than bitfinex... don't think i've ever seen that before.
pete_dushenski: from the mines : "Make no mistake. Shinola watches are battery-powered, quartz movement watches. They’re not automatics. One could question whether or not a battery-powered watch justifies a $550-$1,000+ price. However, the quartz movements are made by their Swiss partners, Ronda AG, and then are sent to the 30,000 square foot Detroit factory where Shinola created dozens of jobs for Americans. Each Shinola watchmak
pete_dushenski: ndergoes intense, strict training. None of them had any watchmaker experience before. In short, not only did Shinola create jobs, they gave Detroit natives the training to do those jobs. That’s a pretty fucking noble cause, if you ask me."
pete_dushenski: who wouldn't want an over-priced timepiece manufactured by hobos ? not ~real~ americans !!!1
mircea_popescu: uh. weren't q&q quartz timepieces like 10-20 bux since forever ?
pete_dushenski: the only major city with rents under $1/sqm lend untold credulity and providence
mircea_popescu: "As for having fat pets, this shows that they have no concept of portion control. An animal will eat anything you put in front of it." << this is nonsense.
assbot: Logged on 22-01-2016 23:19:28; asciilifeform: quite odd that nobody has yet (afaik) demonstrated this.
mircea_popescu: (photodiode interrupted electic firiing, fly under enemy, boom)
BingoBoingo: polarbeard: You know you can voice yourself now?
ben_vulpes: i think that i hate managing projects.
mircea_popescu: "What are you, you're a secretary, John. Fuck you. That's my message for you."
ben_vulpes: the salesmen are also entirely interchangeable.
ben_vulpes: except for the ones who are not and who don't want anything to do with my asbestos gloves.
mircea_popescu: all of the defense (you know, picking up when people steal toilet paper), none of the offense, none of the good stuff, like making the team not suck dicks.
ben_vulpes: i don't see the problem with embezzling a reasonable amount of toilet paper. it's a valid business expense, and the staff don't get taxed for it.
mircea_popescu: well, it's your fucking toilet paper and what sort of people are these.
ben_vulpes: hey man i'm just trying to get cash in the kids pockets while paying as little taxes on it as possible
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49654 @ 0.00055672 = 27.6434 BTC [-] {2}
ben_vulpes: the insane fucking rules around ESOPs. i tell you.
ben_vulpes: wall street and congress got a hold of the notion and now there are all sorts of arcane bezzle-quirements like "must get valued by a state-blessed valutron", "must be investment grade paper" etc.
mircea_popescu: the problem here, and it's a fundamental problem, is that the derps that get employed aren't usually investor grade.
mircea_popescu: they didn't want to make a simple "stock ownership for employees is STRICTLY reserved for employees making over 500k a year and over the age of 50" for obvious reasons
☟︎ ben_vulpes: i had to explain how buy-and-hold of non-dividend-paying-stocks the other day wasn't forgoing compounding.
mircea_popescu: the result is that they have to make an endless array of rules to approximate "not entirely fucktarded teen".
ben_vulpes: fucktarded teen still gets hoodwinked with worthless paper regularly.
mircea_popescu: the only correct solution is to pay in stock only. you do get alf moaning about his sad fate as an owner of his own fate,
mircea_popescu: but the alternative is drinking straight crazy from a toilet bowl.
ben_vulpes: and as a result, my equitizing the staff is miserably difficult.
mircea_popescu: imo you're trying to make a copper-iron thermostable alloy.
ben_vulpes: explain the parallel in a little more detail?
mircea_popescu: there is absolutely no reason people who make 30 an hour should own stock ; and if they did it certainly shouldn't be yours.
mircea_popescu: their needs (represented by copper in this diagram) and the realities of owning stock in a small venture (represented by iron in same) have very different reactions to a change in financial context (represented as temperature)
mircea_popescu: you're trying to meld two things together that will never, ever stay put as temperature varies.
mircea_popescu: even if through whatever arcana you get it "good enough" for the current context you happen to inhabit, such as your room.
ben_vulpes: i realized that the shartup bezzletron actually got this right
mircea_popescu: hey, they don't pay me $infinity + bonuses + golden dirigibles for nothing.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28650 @ 0.00055705 = 15.9595 BTC [+]
ben_vulpes: years of slaving for nuggets of insight once or thrice a quarter
ben_vulpes: i wonder what alf gets out of it, so competent as he is.
ben_vulpes: life would be more like you don't get them when you need them.
ben_vulpes: i am now confronted with the difficult question of what the fuck i'm doing even owning my own stock.
ben_vulpes: relatedly, how does one grow worthy of the golden dirigible? kill everyone between you and it? does this hold for the smith? what about brunel?
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 22-01-2016 20:50:17; BingoBoingo: We only got 3 or 4 inches of snow. Yet rather than remove it derps drive over it until it refreezes into a slick that doesn't remove so easily
ben_vulpes: well it doesn't actually work, asciilifeform
ben_vulpes: apparently i'm so scary i'm the only one taking the wine^H^H^H^Htoilet paper home
ben_vulpes: "wipe your hands on your pants, plebe"
assbot: Logged on 23-01-2016 01:57:53; ben_vulpes: relatedly, how does one grow worthy of the golden dirigible? kill everyone between you and it? does this hold for the smith? what about brunel?
assbot: Logged on 23-01-2016 01:40:55; mircea_popescu: they didn't want to make a simple "stock ownership for employees is STRICTLY reserved for employees making over 500k a year and over the age of 50" for obvious reasons
ben_vulpes: again with the not reading the threads omg!
assbot: Logged on 23-01-2016 02:07:25; ben_vulpes: toilet paper, and i ain't talkin equity!
ben_vulpes: yes. that's a joke about stock in startups.
assbot: Logged on 22-01-2016 23:07:57; asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: actually these are cheap, esp. in that when they explode, nobody's widow gets a pension
assbot: Logged on 02-05-2014 03:15:33; asciilifeform: basic course on russian privatization. 'your formerly state-issued flat is now yours. you are a millionaire!' - 'neato. but my salary hasn't been paid in a year. gotta buy something to eat. what does dinner cost?' - 'half a million.'
assbot: Logged on 22-01-2016 23:19:18; asciilifeform: incidentally 'predator' is a very slow machine, a toy chopper could quite likely catch up with it
ben_vulpes: we have yet to arrive at state-issued flats for all but the most deeeeeserving of poor.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: japanese for-placement-only netdrones could probably snag one
ben_vulpes: you can smell the users of fashionable editors a mile away
ben_vulpes: some "we're going to revolutionize editing text by pretending emacs was never a thing"
ben_vulpes: i routinely mock users who have the escape wired into their brains
ben_vulpes: "what, can't afford 10 dollars for your text editor?"
ben_vulpes: electron beam and a good set of sights
assbot: Logged on 22-01-2016 23:52:58; polarbeard: after verifying, patches are split into hunks
assbot: Logged on 22-01-2016 23:55:19; polarbeard: there is no v
polarbeard: the script is 300 lines, not hard to review
ben_vulpes: if so easy to review, similarly easy to explain.
assbot: Logged on 23-01-2016 00:03:11; polarbeard: you need the diff splitter, splitdiff
polarbeard: make is a build tool, it can build the press
polarbeard: why implementing toposort for the nth time
ben_vulpes: why split the patches, polarbeard, quit dodging the question.
assbot: Logged on 23-01-2016 00:33:02; asciilifeform: and to leave plenty over for the common piggy
ben_vulpes: polarbeard: should reimplementing toposort be impossibly painful for you...
ben_vulpes: polarbeard: look at my contribution history. it is very nearly 100% reimplementations of that which asciilifeform or mod6 or trinque have written first.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i care not why whoever sins however.
☟︎ ben_vulpes is the undereducated american today as every day
assbot: Logged on 23-01-2016 02:40:39; ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i care not why whoever sins however.
ben_vulpes: this is like me giving a shit about what gavin and company do and derp about on reddit.
ben_vulpes: the dependency chain of "well i work for satan because i got this useless phd that i got because i had a masters i didn't know what to do with because i got a bachelors that i similarly didn't understand the purpose of because i was told to go to college and" it never fucking ends and i don't really give a shit about the root cause for whatever retardation.
ben_vulpes: and no this is not "electron" this is why did isaac fuck ahmeds goat
ben_vulpes: i literally do not care and the spending of time figuring out why the derps do what they do is best left as an exercise to good men like mister backtick who actually enjoy hanging out on bitcointalk.org all day
ben_vulpes: and for the umpteenth time polarbeard /why/ split the damn patches and introduce a million new dependencies?
ben_vulpes: "i didn't know any better" is, for the record, an entirely acceptable response.
polarbeard: intermediate state is all about optimization
ben_vulpes: i saw some turds, asked some questions, am not entirely thrilled with answers.
ben_vulpes has now filed reports with whip-crackers, can go home to die in sweet embrace, will be off shortly
ben_vulpes: anyways, interesting thing, polarbeard, perhaps i shall test it some day along side the tools written by people i trust like mod6 and trinque and asciilifeform.
ben_vulpes: in the meantime, try to understand why we use 'v', and why your failure to do so has lead me to stomp on the ground like a petulant child.
polarbeard: I would have to implement a hash table in bash
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80950 @ 0.00055893 = 45.2454 BTC [+] {3}
polarbeard: that's right, I shouldn't have released it this early anyway
polarbeard: I wanted to instrumentalize trb a bit, btw
polarbeard: a tx debugger sort-of-fits in my plans
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48400 @ 0.00055818 = 27.0159 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: Logged on 23-01-2016 02:03:27; asciilifeform: brunel was in the up elevator
assbot: Logged on 23-01-2016 01:58:10; ben_vulpes: clearly, there's no 'worthy' but 'demands'.
assbot: Logged on 23-01-2016 02:04:27; ben_vulpes: well that's novel and depressing
assbot: Logged on 23-01-2016 02:10:21; ben_vulpes: i can see it though
assbot: Logged on 23-01-2016 02:17:41; asciilifeform: and by no automagic means 'investor-grade' humanoid.
mircea_popescu: so, if that guy fucks up, as no doubt he will, his distress is merely amusing from a societal pov. and perhaps instructive., but mostly amusing.
mircea_popescu: when plebs "own stock", the problem becomes unsolvable, because the ready answer is, "i can't blame myself, for i'm nothing - so i'll just blame the gods"
assbot: Logged on 23-01-2016 02:23:28; asciilifeform: ok so you ~were~ speaking of stock.
assbot: Logged on 23-01-2016 02:27:13; asciilifeform: mega-unsurprise
mircea_popescu: two step process : a) make everyone ACTUALLY carry the burden of being the lord he was seeing himself as and b) allow the scum to shirk away.
mircea_popescu: then they'll rant and rave about "dupa ce i-a cheltuit vor merita sa devina muncitori ! Nu mai au nici o scuza ca au devenit saraci!"
mircea_popescu: the people who don't care if they life or die either live or die. the people who do care - end up paying rent to the ones that live.
☟︎☟︎☟︎ assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 236958 @ 0.00055614 = 131.7818 BTC [-] {6}
danielpbarron: ;;later tell mod6 i think your twatter bot died again
danielpbarron: i like to retweet those greaterthan 100 btc trades
assbot: Logged on 23-01-2016 03:41:20; mircea_popescu: this is the cornerstone of any possible sociology.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform prison term didn't dislodge. people came back to their own flats.
mircea_popescu: right. but generally fambly kept the place, for mere conviction. it had to be political-wrathful to dislodge.
mircea_popescu: anyway - the exact same sort of people sifted to the top in the su as do anywhere else all the time. which is why yeltsin didn't survive and putin did.
mircea_popescu: history is precisely an endless loop of the same thing. also, it has to be.
mircea_popescu: the inventor is in this matter very closely related to the fashion designer.
mircea_popescu: fortunately or otherwise, few live the millenia required for most of it to wear off.
mircea_popescu: also you'll be very hard pressed to argue that 5000 years of egypt were less than 5000 years hence.
mircea_popescu: (if for instance your aim is "population", mind that they started on a very narrow base. hard to beat.)
mod6: danielpbarron: thx for the heads up
mircea_popescu: you flatter yourself if you imagine there's more difference here than there, to an archeologist so distant in the future.
mircea_popescu: besides, the discussion in civilisational terms is besides the point. i guarantee that there was an alf in upper egypt bemoaning the vagaries of fate in the following exact terms :
mircea_popescu: "Whether 'tis nobler in the mind, to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune, or to take up arms against a sea of troubles and by opposing, end them ?"
mircea_popescu: so what did not repeat ? the shape of the woman's pants ?
trinque: they used to have feet. so what?
mircea_popescu: do you miss the things that'll be discovered after you die, perhaps ? nobody cares. you happen to have seen telegraph. they saw the complex calculation of how to pi, and counted them very civilised for it. big whoop.
trinque: it's simply staring at the tool and thinking of it in isolation, rather than inside the human process in which it is used
mircea_popescu: there's exactly nothing to change. what'd you change ?
mircea_popescu: you still value what you lost more than what you gain by that loss. you still need stimuli to grow geometrically for subjective sensation to progress arithmetically.
trinque notes the former SU guy's fixation on novelty
mircea_popescu: i expect change like you expect nonsense. it comes out of young / silly people.
mircea_popescu: the only news in the world is the history you didn't know and the measurements you took incorrectly.
mircea_popescu: not like photons went you know what ? this planck constant's boring, let's get a new one.
mircea_popescu: it isn't up to them. some people dont' care. some do. they can't change this anymore than you can be a woman.
mircea_popescu: now, it's true that miseducation can bring one up to think himself the other kind, whichg CAN be remedied.
mircea_popescu: but this is not unlike retarded mother bringing boy up in skirts.
mircea_popescu: eventually, if nothing was cut off, duck in the yard can no longer resist the call of ducks in the sky and takes off.
assbot: Logged on 23-01-2016 03:40:38; mircea_popescu: the people who don't care if they life or die either live or die. the people who do care - end up paying rent to the ones that live.
assbot: Logged on 23-01-2016 01:09:02; mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-01-2016#1381724 << if anyone in afghanistan etc were not fully employed in countig rocks and fucking goats thus managing to find their way here, i'd definitely finance a project to fly a quad to a drone and use the old komet trick
trinque: mircea_popescu │ eventually, if nothing was cut off, duck in the yard can no longer resist the call of ducks in the sky and takes off. << I'm going to go ahead and carve this one into the inside of my skull.
mircea_popescu: for instance, charge of electron can be measured even from white noise of antenna.
mircea_popescu: but no. your thesis is that "can only result in" goatfuckistan.
mircea_popescu: there's another great difference, which may be easier to ford. socialism - sacrifice now for later paradise. this - is enjoyable. now. so much so i have not the least care if paradise or no paradise, or as the old man of the mountain said to allah,
mircea_popescu: eh, period in my life, i'd go to a party and inexorably leave with a half sack of books.
mircea_popescu: possibly a contributing factor in my distaste with the damned things.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 108150 @ 0.00055877 = 60.431 BTC [+] {3}
trinque: why is the egyptian man's desire for food, a place to shit, and women to fuck different from mine? and if it isn't, whence this idea that my motivations are manifold (and advanced!), his few?
mircea_popescu: trinque well, an argument can be brought that yours are a lot more cleaved. like, you know, you can separately desire to lay with the woman as in cuddle, to lay with the woman as in fuck her brains out, to lay with the woman as to impregnate her and so on. whereas poor simple he, just lay with the woman.
mircea_popescu: now, whether a natural tongue or one surgically bifurcated is a change worth the mention... well... i suppose we must leave this up to the inventor.
mircea_popescu: lest the academic has to publish to justify his high station, an' the inventor must invent, hence so many new inventions all the time.
mircea_popescu: this doesn't explain why young men are so undistinguishable from monkeys.
mircea_popescu: anyway. the difference between man and monkey is that man realises it's not actually worth the hassle.
mircea_popescu: or to put it in more familiar terms, you know why the german goes bald arouind the corona, and the romanian arfound the forehead ?
mircea_popescu: it's a visual joke. imagine me saying "hmm, i wonder how best to do this" whille scratching the top of my head
mircea_popescu: contemplation. that's the divide. reflexivity. once the hardware started doing recursion, it split.
mircea_popescu: monkey-human divide cybernetically equivalent to non-recursive / recursive systems.
mircea_popescu: this conception of "novelty" is not so dissimilar to creationist's conception of darwinism. "he said my auntie's a dog!"
mircea_popescu: so far the score's about a trillion to 0 the other way.
mircea_popescu: (actually the only sane model of physical cosmogony i know doth require shifting planck constant, if ever so shyly)
gribble: Current Blocks: 394567 | Current Difficulty: 1.1335429980147113E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 395135 | Next Difficulty In: 568 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 8 hours, 11 minutes, and 17 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
mircea_popescu: (the problem, in the simplest terms, is that for h to be constant energy and spacetime must stay coupled. as such, it's impossible to have an original singularity (aka the big bang) seeing how everything solves neatly for a radius of 0, yielding a pretty field of 0's and a pile of nondetermined constants. conversely : in planck terms, the age of the universe is about 10^61, its radius about 10^61 and its energy about 1
mircea_popescu: 0^61, which is one hell of a coincidence that it should allign so right now! (same results can be expressed looking at the schwarzschild radius, too). )
assbot: Logged on 23-01-2016 02:43:37; asciilifeform: 'electron moves because allah willed so'
assbot: Logged on 23-01-2016 03:02:42; polarbeard: feed me :3
mircea_popescu: (speaking of which - de-stupidification of the logging process would be a fucking blessing already. debug.log, srsly ? how about error.log mempool.log connect.log blocks.log for starters ?)
mircea_popescu: in any case, then you could start it with -logs=emcb for all 4, or otherwise whatever combo thereof.
mircea_popescu: and for the love of christ implement either rolling or else a maxsize for files or something.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: "here's a logline. it's from fuck you o'clock. you're welcome."
ben_vulpes: didn't phf do something with timestamps?
polarbeard: haha, 'just derive it from block height man'
mircea_popescu: it doesn't even dump that, which would be insane but at least it'd be insane.
ben_vulpes: polarbeard: good idea except that syncing reference implementations to the best of my knowledge don't know the current blockheight
polarbeard: I'd be happy with unix_time space hex_message sent_or_received_bit
ben_vulpes: the log history that you're missing is that blockheight is the only non usg-shared time.
ben_vulpes: yes let's compile libcurl into the reference implementation
mircea_popescu: after all... we have fucking json in there for reasons!
ben_vulpes: i'm sure polarbeard can get on that train
ben_vulpes: writing software fills a boy with hate.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: what was the calculation you ran to determine the hashpower necessary to nail a block more or less every 24 hours?
mircea_popescu: that there's 6 blocks an hour and 24 hours in 24 hours ?
polarbeard: blocks per day = (my_share_rate / difficulty ) x 86400 / block_time
ben_vulpes: someone missed dimensional analysis in school?
polarbeard: yep, but nethash is not exact I think?
ben_vulpes: approximation is a nifty wunderwaffen.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: schooled me rather hard on a good example around c3
mircea_popescu: amusingly, the proper measure for nethash actually is PW or somesuch.
mircea_popescu: by the time it gets to 50%+1 all these approximations will be a lot less approximative
ben_vulpes: that has a lot of assumptions on mining chip efficiency boss
mircea_popescu: nope. stable situation is where nethash is half the power generation.
mircea_popescu: "Hypothetically, according to Robert Engelman (Worldwatch institute), in order to prevent collapse, human civilization would have to stop increasing emissions within a decade regardless of the economy or population (2009)."
ben_vulpes: when you say that it comes to 2MW's worth.
mircea_popescu: currently we're only burning something to the tune of 30GW
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: 21co tried to make energy friendly chips, now they are trying to pawn them on users as "compooter"
gribble: Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number.
thestringpuller: always imagined some d00d with access to nuclear power building a reactor on some island and using all the power for mining
ben_vulpes: did anyone ever run the numbers on what it would naively cost to lease the hashpower required to mint a block a day?
gribble: (nethash takes no arguments) -- Shows the current estimate for total network hash rate, in Ghps.
mircea_popescu: very simple mechanism to ACTUALLY improve your insurance : make a pool which pays 25.25 btc for the first block it finds each day.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: this is a very neat way to solve an otherwise very thorny economical problem, and it will figure prominently in the future.
mircea_popescu: miners will not only optimize txn to include in blocks per se, but also "whose pool to mine nao at"
ben_vulpes: so what's the lowdown on the various pool payout maths?
ben_vulpes: every time i look into pool payout schemes my eyes glaze over and my fraud alert systems kick in.
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mircea_popescu: there's 3 or 4 principal ways to do it, 2 or 3 of which are very slight variation on the same theme.
mircea_popescu: arrived at through a lot of experimental as well as theoretical effort.
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mircea_popescu: worth your time to research it for your own sharpening, it's all pretty clever.
ben_vulpes: perhaps i'll do that while i install os x on this laptop for the umpteenth time
ben_vulpes: man imma have to learn chinese at this rate
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ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: and i'm going to guess most of this history is on bitcointalk.org
☟︎☟︎ mats: the autoloader is cool
mats: for some reason the abrams doesn't have it
assbot: Logged on 23-01-2016 06:06:51; ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: and i'm going to guess most of this history is on bitcointalk.org
gribble: Estimated percent change in difficulty this period | None % based on data since last change | 10.264 % based on data for last three days
punkman: "pleased to announce our ASIC BuyBack Program"
punkman: "It has been quite a while since any new hardware became available, it is reasonable to assume that most small miners will have recouped the majority of what they initially outlaid for the hardware, and are now disinclined to continue ‘supporting the network’, whilst incurring unnecessary cost. So: MegaBigPowers ‘land-grab’, to acquire all this idle hashing power seems like a smart move. As,
☟︎ punkman: once the next price run up begins, there will be a frantic scrabble to re-power all the mothballed rigs lying around."
punkman: "Bitfury recently announced their 28nm, 0.2 J/Gh offering (with some impressive efficiencies claimed) but have declined to inform us when they will be available, either-ways they do not sell to the public anymore. They also alluded to a 16nm chip with efficiencies as low as 0.02 due out later this year."
punkman: "KNC are in a similar holding pattern, awaiting production of their 16nm ‘Solar’ chip, with astonishing claims of 0.07 J/Gh, They no longer sell to the public either."
kakobrekla: they sold until it was garbage, now that further decreasement in process size are hardly possible, they hold
☟︎ punkman: oooh just noticed "March 2015"
kakobrekla: basically folks have been used as sort of catalyst for the reaction of them getting 16nm or so and are now no longer needed
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assbot: Logged on 23-01-2016 05:53:27; mircea_popescu: maybe 1% of the cost of a block, a day ?
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shinohai pops cork on muscadine wine even though it is 7 a.m.
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Azelphur: ;;rate RagnarDanneskjol -10 3 months of unpaid salary, will remove rating if payment ever arrives.
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Azelphur: ;;rate RagnarDanneskjol -10 3 months of unpaid salary, will remove rating if payment ever arrives.
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Azelphur: Was really unsure whether to place that one (badmouthing former employer and all) but figured he'll probably look here for someone to replace me, and other people might not be so financially secure as I am.
punkman: told me he needed some contract work 3 months ago, but didn't follow through
gribble: RagnarDanneskjol was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 44 weeks, 0 days, 2 hours, 50 minutes, and 19 seconds ago: <RagnarDanneskjol> trinque - i am occasionally using the nick for continued development on punks ver. if anyone here's partial to the name I can pass it over. Wow that xm42
Azelphur: punkman, yea for me I did the work, he just keeps saying he will pay and continues to delay / make excuses
Azelphur: whoops, he said he'd pay me an installment of £1000ish on Monday, then said it was a bank holiday and that he would send it out Tuesday, ignored me till yesterday where he claimed he had sent it out, but honestly he has said it's sent so many times and it didn't arrive I don't trust it any more
assbot: Logged on 23-01-2016 06:06:51; ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: and i'm going to guess most of this history is on bitcointalk.org
Azelphur: Indeed it's not, had no money over christmas. His misinformation has cost me money too
Azelphur: was great up until the whole not paying me thing
punkman: you were working with him for a while though, right?
Azelphur: punkman, yea, I started with him last October iirc
punkman: mircea_popescu: yeah I get a new cert on bitbet, issued 2016/01/21
Azelphur: but yea, officially looking for new work now. Hopefully it's a good move and I'll get paid a little more (and at all :P)
assbot: Logged on 23-01-2016 08:40:37; punkman: ^ dirigible
assbot: Logged on 23-01-2016 09:03:04; kakobrekla: they sold until it was garbage, now that further decreasement in process size are hardly possible, they hold
mircea_popescu: Azelphur notsure why you're not using the assbot wot anyway.
Azelphur: mircea_popescu, haven't been around much recently so haven't familiarised myself with it
mircea_popescu: anyway, there was a bank holiday on monday. in the us. some black speechmaker dude
assbot: Logged on 23-01-2016 03:32:24; mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-01-2016#1382094 << you deeply misunderstand what "investor grade" means in this context. the point is that he is RARE. you understand this ? the fundamental property of capital control in any functioning society without exception possible is that it must be concentrated.
Azelphur: mircea_popescu, yea I know, dude is very good at excuses, as I say it has been 3 months, and even if he has sent a bank transfer it's still only for a small percentage of total owed
mircea_popescu: nope. it's the "brain resides in skullbox not spread out throughout cells like mitochondria".
mircea_popescu: the problem here is that both ox and chickens are separate from the thing they pull.
Azelphur: if it was just missed payment by a few days I'd be cool with it, heck I was fine with it up until about 2 weeks late, stopped working when it was a month late, and public -10 has only happened after 3 months late
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, the argument against gosplan is that "fuck you".
mircea_popescu: while you personally may not be inclined, i am, and without me it dies.
Azelphur: started to get really annoyed when I had the choice of taking money out of my cold wallet or taking a loan from my parents to make rent over christmas - not cool :/
mircea_popescu: the argument against gosplan is exactly the argument against "hi guise i am ceo".
Azelphur: I feel bad -10ing him though, I like to work things out with people and it just sucks that he's not meeting his obligations or even being reasonable really
mircea_popescu: which is why all the red square nuclear bomb displays and etc. obligate pompousness.
mircea_popescu: problem being, they don't actually help, just serve to alienate me further.
mircea_popescu: i am immune to it, it depends on me. this creates a certain situation of power in the field.
mircea_popescu: anyway, in the expression of the castrated subhumans that nevertheless are intelligent enough to notice the problem, this is usually called the "knowledge problem", ie poor state can't acquire and process enough information to make a reasonable gosplan.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, this is a flattering if incorrect representation. like saying "unfortunately whale did not have enough evolution mojo to grow wings". yeasure.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i have no idea how to formulate this better than to refer you to the (oft mentioned, by me) worms dispute.
mircea_popescu: king can not invest by staff. he doesn't have a staff to give.
mircea_popescu: which is why they keep inventing academic honors for the emperor. they work admirably, don't they.
mircea_popescu: your idea that "5000 yr egyptianreich" is not unlike a 1900s victorian idea that "5000 yr chinareich". wut ?
mircea_popescu: they had more dynasties than americans had sexual partners.
mircea_popescu: ironically, the people who could be caesar ie emperor and pontifex max uniformly do not wish to be, so much so it's almost a heuristic.
mircea_popescu: and they do not wish to be not because they somehow give a shit about brutus and brutish jealousies.
mircea_popescu: but, at this juncture, augustus' memoirs are recomended re-read. might explain the vecchio rotinculo much closer than before.
mircea_popescu: dja know that the AVERAGE ammo expenditure per enemy killed is in the 2mn range by now ?
mircea_popescu: people keep mocking hollywood marksmanship. mostly because they've never been in a warzone.
mircea_popescu: seeing how it's about 2kj per bullet, we find that each enemy combatant takes ~1MWh in bullets only!
mircea_popescu: and that's on the modest 39mm. pretty much a thing of the past, everyone doing 51 now amirite. so 2x that.
mircea_popescu: well yes. 39 is the old ak/sks russian thing. nato has a bigger one.
☟︎ assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 101766 @ 0.00055833 = 56.819 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: well, depends. the large nato round is really like the hunting .308
assbot: Logged on 23-01-2016 05:23:47; mircea_popescu: and for the love of christ implement either rolling or else a maxsize for files or something.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform let the guy do something useful wouldja. step at a time.
assbot: Logged on 23-01-2016 05:33:08; mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes it could always curl deedbot.org for the latest.
mircea_popescu: very fucking hard making jokes about bitcoin codebase, seeing the state it's in.
assbot: Logged on 23-01-2016 08:59:13; punkman: "It has been quite a while since any new hardware became available, it is reasonable to assume that most small miners will have recouped the majority of what they initially outlaid for the hardware, and are now disinclined to continue ‘supporting the network’, whilst incurring unnecessary cost. So: MegaBigPowers ‘land-grab’, to acquire all this idle hashing power seems like a smart move. As,
mircea_popescu: iirc the overall "delivered asic, all cores working" was in the <5% zone.
mircea_popescu: more or less. really, esp early on, it was just blindly flailing.
kakobrekla: they didnt have the time to make anything past "this will prolly work"
mircea_popescu: easy to reinterpret what memory salvaged of the midden of history, but if you were there and saw the missing 95% from that story...
mircea_popescu: of the people who scammed their "investors, at least half, to two thirds, were scammed in turn, by their "providers".
mircea_popescu: asicminer had a fully blown up run. so did bfl, twice iirc.
mircea_popescu: there were, up until early 2013 or so, more dead runs than live.
kakobrekla: afaik there were 'duds' i dont recall specifics from top of the head
mircea_popescu: actually a proper history of early mining would be a most respectable endeavour for a serious, diligent historian at this point.
mircea_popescu: of course they're busy fucking around doing nothing much. but hey, gosplan!
punkman: I'd like to contribute more debug-related patches, could maybe split the gui-snip stuff from debug_sanity patch, and start over.
punkman: does asciilifeform like anything from djb?
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mircea_popescu: guy's brilliant, hard to argue with that. but yes, seems he's being slowly ground to paste by "teh system"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform actually may want to write him a letter, iirc he was also all about fits in head but arrived there on slightly different path
mircea_popescu: didn't he end up basically rewriting sendmail because sendmail sucked ?
punkman: mircea_popescu: start over, meaning make a new debug_sanity patch with more improvements (and without the gui snipping parts bundled together)
mircea_popescu: this with a view to better semantics, or with a view to reinstate gui ?
punkman: both gui-snip and debug-sanity are gonna touch a lot of files though, and I would prefer to do this once
mircea_popescu: punkman certainly a worthy attempt, even if mod6 prolly won't be able to put it in current release.
mircea_popescu: what i took it to mean was that if he's gonna load his head with shit, would rather do two things than one and reload
punkman: can do the gui-snip thing first, work is already done
mircea_popescu: incidentally, why the fuck does bitcoin have json support ? do we actually want this ?
mircea_popescu: yes but fuck that, we have a protocol that then imports json ?
punkman: need to have a format for api output anyway right?
mircea_popescu: this strikes me as the same fundamental insanity of "we'll replace bdb with leveldb in the sense that WE KEEP BOTH!!1".
mircea_popescu: i do but i don't recall why i wasn't so hot about that.
mircea_popescu: yes because it sucks lol. if you're happy with that much.
punkman: standard format would be nicer than new invention
mircea_popescu: punkman only if "standard format" doesn't expand at pre-compile time into "here's a debalanced tree of 547657698 "standards""
punkman: there are some tiny json libraries
mircea_popescu: even before wot issue considered : there's two branches to corectness.
mircea_popescu: one is code, the other standard. it helps me nothing that you've made one small if this makes the other huge.
assbot: Logged on 21-01-2016 22:16:42; asciilifeform:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-01-2016#1380266 << yes! and you can almost ~define~ 'sane system' this way. with the caveat that it can't be a non-orthogonal fudge like a program consisting of one line 'start_bitcoind()' nor anything in that spirit. ORTHOGONAL operators.
punkman: well, something for the foundation to decide, whether json is to be kept or replaced with something else
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punkman: so if I talk to to bitcoind with python I get sexpr in ascii or otherwise?
punkman: could have both and break compatibility later
punkman: what is there to do on titanic other than abandon ship?
punkman: and if prb had sane logging we wouldn't be having this discussion
punkman: I didn't even dare suggest adding it of course!
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assbot: Logged on 23-01-2016 15:55:03; asciilifeform: and the logical replacement is sexpr.
mircea_popescu: heh im bashing that baby stuff. alf huffed the right paint this morning :D
assbot: Logged on 23-01-2016 16:00:29; asciilifeform: 'deck chairs on titanic'
assbot: Logged on 23-01-2016 16:09:28; asciilifeform: adding an ~additional~ turd to the ball of shit, is not.
mircea_popescu: anyway. it's one thing to add "a library". it's another to "import this 1k lines that i read myself".
mircea_popescu: but conceptually, in my head at least, more of a "bitcoind migrates into bitcoinos" thing
mircea_popescu: anyway, as a general point : even if you did compute a fastest route, and even if in fact you are correct (which is fundamentally an undecidable problem), there is still no reason to panic if phenomena goes a slightly more circuitous path. there are at least two good reasons, both political. one's education (ie, benefit of the ingroup), the other ... well let's just say the other's for the benefit of the outgroup.
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thestringpuller: "When you handle the master carpenter's tools, chances are that you'll cut your hand."
☟︎ thestringpuller: I want to be competent/sane before attempting to pick up master carpenter's tools.
mircea_popescu: "would this be a punishment toilet ? for like the dungeon ?" "do you think the jacuzzi is a punishment pool ?" "ewww!"
mircea_popescu: anyway, my idea was originalyl that it's a collaborative tool par excellence. girls better support each other's back, lest they fall in.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: but i suspect this heavy... butted aesop is a little too hamfisted for the actual butts in question.
mircea_popescu: dude speaking of "provability" bs. FSB are "provably secure" because it can be proven they're at least as hard as regular syndrome decoding. which is np complete. while we don't actually know if THAT is in fact resolvable in polynomial time or not, nevertheless... PROVEDLY SECURE!!11
☟︎ mircea_popescu: "this bag is as heavy as that car. we don't know whether that car is just a cardboard cutout or what, but hey, provedly heavy bag! !1"
mircea_popescu: and incidentally, as a bright mathematical mind pointed out once, "at some point the effort invested in stating rsa is 'widely researched' exceeds the effort ever expended into researching it"
mircea_popescu: it's one thing when five people who spend most of their time doing things gather in bohr's outhouse and agree "x is prolly hard".
mircea_popescu: the one thing i wonder, asciilifeform , is why do we always talk in strawmen.
assbot: Logged on 22-01-2016 16:43:36; AdrianG: why do you guys only speak in strawmen?
thestringpuller: if they rip out OpenSSL for libsecp256k1 won't this cause undeterministic behavior in signature checking? Or does the "comooniteee" just want to not check signatures anymore?
assbot: Logged on 23-01-2016 13:32:55; Azelphur: ;;rate RagnarDanneskjol -10 3 months of unpaid salary, will remove rating if payment ever arrives.
mircea_popescu: i just read it as "the difference between one's understanding and the course requirement, call it D, is the maximal aperture past which useful metaphors (with an utility marked as U) and inept strawmen (with a deviance marked as -U) can still be distinguished"
mircea_popescu: of course the correct method to learn greek consists of reading the source material and the angry german commentary in alternation.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu may have his reasons for being so friendly and welcoming but bearing a deep suspicion of new faces in #b-a has saved me untold heartbreak (and no doubt riches, if i were to listen to robert viragh's ilk)
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 23-01-2016 18:03:25; thestringpuller: i barely "know" C, how am I ever gonna learn LISP?!?!?
mircea_popescu: this is the traditional pathway of the derp. spends youth being inept, adolescence being revolutionary, gets metabolized by sub-slut grade female into "family unit"
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: aren't there a million open source for 'em to get cycled through? each no doubt in need of deproblematizing some codebase of genderered nouns?
ben_vulpes: with just a touch of retraining he could be right at home in a bike advocacy group
adlai: asciilifeform: because they'll mix up set, setf, get, getf, and never quite understand the long form expansion definitions
ben_vulpes: but airbnb started out with traffic calming!
mircea_popescu: interestingly enough, senor vulpes understands quite exactly what i don't like about the subculture.
ben_vulpes: i mean traffic calming is good for children!
thestringpuller: adlai: I'm already lost. I'm super n00b when it comes to master's tools.
ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: oh ffs sit down with clojure for a week if you're so scared
ben_vulpes: php and c are actually bigger pains in the ass and less useable than any lisp
adlai: thestringpuller: if you really want to learn CL, get used to feeling lost because it takes a couple years / decades to reach all the keys on this piano
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thestringpuller: maybe not for alfie who came out the womb with a commodore64 or some shiznit
adlai: well, longer than wrapping your head around all of C or $blub
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: for my own benefit what do i understand about bike advocacy?
mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> with just a touch of retraining he could be right at home in a bike advocacy group <
ben_vulpes: oh the endless blithering of nonsense?
adlai: asciilifeform: my point is that it takes years of working in CL to have multiple opportunities to use each of those symbols to solve original problems
ben_vulpes: the notion of a functional town only mildly corrupted by cars must be as foreign to you as an atomic dirigible.
ben_vulpes: ah well those are absent and generally reserved for the poverty stricken or physically disabled
ben_vulpes: and the cultural hatred of cars runs very deep.
adlai: asciilifeform: so amsterdam must literally be the circles of hell for you :P
ben_vulpes: it'll be rather easy to turn that into a bloodthirsty hunt for californians alter.
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thestringpuller: why is everyone hating on cyclist? you alfie of all people stuck in the horrid traffic of DC on a daily basis.
thestringpuller: in peak traffic takes just as long to travel to work on bike as by car
ben_vulpes: he can't imagine a situation in which people are not condemned to his own version of hell.
thestringpuller: i'd rather just not sit in traffic and get more fat, that is one step above purgatory.
assbot: Logged on 15-01-2016 06:47:07; adlai: buy a bike, you'll learn more about trading and addiction from not getting run over than you will from losing money on plebian status symbols
assbot: Logged on 23-01-2016 18:34:01; asciilifeform: but nobody but children on bicycle
ben_vulpes: this is a hallmark of a miserable place to live.
mircea_popescu: i never lived anywhere that wouldn't have just splattered the derp.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: this mile long column exist regardless of cyclist in my neck of the woods
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ben_vulpes: and as a matter of fact horses /are/ allowed on the road.
adlai: recently tlv municipality outlawed horse-driven antique furniture carts ("alte zachen"), yet another law nobody cares about
thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: there is a d00d who sold his car for horse at livestock auction where my gf lives.
mircea_popescu: yeah well. horse maintenance is a lotta work. the whole horseback thing is a honest signal of a hierarchical society.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: met the horse people by the river yet?
thestringpuller: thing is actually pretty fast, but upkeep seems a bit high, and of course the thing eventually dies
ben_vulpes: the people who live by the river plate
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform somewhat less work, and importantly machineable.
ben_vulpes: and who raise their children on horses.
ben_vulpes: have approximately zero pesos to rub together.
ben_vulpes: met them through a south african who coached the greek olympic polo? dressage? teams before greece stopped paying for niceties like that.
ben_vulpes: well it's urban dictionary, they're obsessed with their betters
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes this wouldn't be a result of tarantino-cultism would it ?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: can be. context dependent. above usage is just assumption that mircea_popescu can magic gurlz out of the air in bsas gutter, river plate shores, nile and probably inside the pyramids even
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform except cunt's not made out of soap, to wear off. it strengthens through usage.
ben_vulpes: hey y'all might appreciate my latest gentoo quest oopsie
ben_vulpes: i got the whole orchestra wired up, stage3 installed, everything mounted, uefi boot boss vanquished
ben_vulpes: and let the fucking laptop run out of batteries 2 seconds after running `emerge dhcpcd`
ben_vulpes: and this /retarded/ home router does not want to accept static IP declarations.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: would be horrified at the state of my internal network
ben_vulpes: look here i only recently decided to move the toilet out of the kitchen okay
ben_vulpes: you neckbeards with a decade of setting up your own personal infrastructure have completely forgotten what it's like to be a clueless noob
mircea_popescu: "i one day stumbled on this irc channel, and it changed my life. #totallynotacult."
mircea_popescu: speaking of insane idiocies. one apt i'm leasing i nthe fabulous ba has the following INSANE arrangement : two bedrooms, united by a 3x3 hallway, off one side of which is a 3x4 bathroom, and off the corner of which is... ANOTHER, tiny, 1x2 bathroom.
mircea_popescu: because making a proper, 6x4 bathroom to unite two bedrooms is EVIL
ben_vulpes: on the flip side i have a far better understanding of how linux machines boot now. so, not a particularly horrendous waste of time.
mircea_popescu: if i end up buying it i'm so tearing down that shit...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the notion of sharing space and not fucking is almost as ridiculous as the notion of female wearing clothes before 30.
mircea_popescu: i get it, if you're visiting the 3 floor, 100k sqft country house of the marquis de Q you might not be fucking EVERYONE there.
ben_vulpes: epic inventory hitting the market q4 2016 q2 2017
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: mas apartmentos y condos
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes everything inconvenient lasts in socialism.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: portland goes through a boom-bust property cycle at about twice the frequency of the national market
ben_vulpes: pretty routine to see 20% property value declines top to bottom
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes you have any idea what housing cost in the 80s ?
ben_vulpes: i'm not trying to argue against the property bezzle!
ben_vulpes: my parents bought their current residence in...94? for 230k, are now batting away offers for 900+. i relent on the rounding error.
mircea_popescu: buy in 1981 for 35k, sell in 1994 for 230k, buy in 1994 for 230k sell in 2006 for 1.2mn
mircea_popescu: so you took out a year and six weeks, once. rounding error.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: is crack still going on in DC? or do the white people still live on the otherside of the ptomic
mircea_popescu: and meanwhile, when i visited the us people generally tipped 10% and derps were derping about how it's really not enough and should be more like 15%. incidentally looked on reddit the other day, "Everyone agrees" it should be over 20%.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: you sound like that d00d in pulp fiction who doesn't believe in tipping.
mircea_popescu: spare me, i don't believe in hiring your shitty workers on my dime. i'll take a slavegirl with, and she can wait on me. your inept "staff" can go hang, how abvout that ?
mircea_popescu: run a fucking business rather than a morroccan tourist trap and have some fucking self respect.
thestringpuller: waiters are generally shitty at their job too, cause "I'll be an actress one day!"
thestringpuller: In US tho, they spit in your food when you insult them with low tips.
ben_vulpes: "no, honey, we're not going out. you cook better, plate better, and do it all in the nude. i am not paying for designer lights, too much salt, and shitty hipster wait staff drinking habits. plus you'll want to tip 20% for completely miserable service and i just got my shoes off."
thestringpuller: That's why in house chef's have become more popular than eating out.
mircea_popescu: i imagine a larger driver is that a) "restaurants" saw the "opportunity" to turn into caterers and "prepare" pre-prepared meals and b) nobody trusts their fucking acquisition process.
mircea_popescu: "you wanna cook for me, pick ingredients from over here" is the main driver, i expect.
thestringpuller: For me I just have my own menu and tell chef "fix X here is money to go buy groceries. Don't get the cheap stuff."
thestringpuller: I should learn to cook. But I'm an extremely fickle eater.
mircea_popescu: i suppose ~half the marriages in the world today happen about like that.
thestringpuller: She doesn't cook as well as my buddy who went to culinary school.
mircea_popescu: well, get a competent immigrant. ukr chicks cook well.
thestringpuller: aha. I really should just learn to _actually_ cook. But I don't even know what foods I like.
thestringpuller: Eventually there'll be enough good porn links in the logs to have a !bait command
ben_vulpes: in other apple nyooz, 'el capitan' ships with a new program 'photos'
ben_vulpes: that starts up, shits 40gb of files to disk immediately while importing the classic 'iphoto' library, and has now been spinning on the import for 2 straight days now.
☟︎☟︎ ben_vulpes: huh shoulda fixed the date on that wotpost while i was at it
assbot: Logged on 23-01-2016 19:47:00; ben_vulpes: that starts up, shits 40gb of files to disk immediately while importing the classic 'iphoto' library, and has now been spinning on the import for 2 straight days now.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i imagine you don't use iphoto
ben_vulpes: i discovered my photo booth archives from freshman year
☟︎ ben_vulpes: iphoto i'm sure will eventually fall to quest of removing toilets from places they should not be
ben_vulpes: handy categorizer-of-photos-by-exif is probably the best justification for my continued use of it
ben_vulpes: would pull down the negative books from that era but they're in the family fire-proof safe
ben_vulpes: yes, i store the negatives, wtf with this printed photo nonsense.
ben_vulpes: on the flip side i do *not* store raw digital photos.
ben_vulpes: absurd waste of bits. photography is lossy, deal.
ben_vulpes: probably unresolved because we're coolies working oars with illusions of being graham's "six smart hackers in a room"
assbot: Logged on 23-01-2016 18:06:52; thestringpuller: "When you handle the master carpenter's tools, chances are that you'll cut your hand."
ben_vulpes: mostly because the shaper is a 5hp terror of cutter-face that'll make you think seven times before even beginning to cut, whereas your friend's table saw doesn't have the sawstop that your *other* idiot friend bought.
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punkman: "SawStop has provoked opposition from the Power Tool Institute (PTI), which represents Black & Decker, Hilti, Hitachi Koki, Makita, Metabo, Bosch, Techtronic Industries and WMH Tool Group."
punkman: "In April 2008 they told Congress that SawStop's braking system is: dangerous because it requires the user to come in contact with the blade before activating; unproven, particularly in terms of durability; prone to false trips caused by commonly available wet and green wood; potentially vulnerable to latent damage that cannot be inspected and may cause a hazard; costly to the user because once
punkman: activated, saw blade and cartridge must be replaced; and significantly more expensive, ranging from a minimum of 25 percent and ranging upwards depending on saw type"
punkman: "The PTI objects to the licensing necessary due to the "more than 50 patents" related to SawStop's braking system; such costs "would destroy the market for the cheapest, most popular saws, adding $100 or more to the price of consumer models that typically sell for less than $200." In response, their members developed "new plastic guards to shield table saw users from the dangers of a spinning
punkman: blade". PTI says "its member companies have received no reports of injuries on [the 750,000] table saws with the new guard design.""
ben_vulpes: punkman: they're fighting him because he kicked their ass on the licensing front
☟︎ ben_vulpes: and the plastic guard is a joke, comes off at the first opportunity.
punkman: but can you really trust a carpenter with all 10 fingers?
shinohai: I think I saw this. Said guard does destroy the blade in the process.
mats: i learned today that the 82nd recently retrofitted their M4s to full auto
☟︎ ben_vulpes: shinohai: i'd rather lose a blade than a finger.
ben_vulpes: in any event i'm long out of that line of work, and for good reason.
mats: asciilifeform: suppressive fire
assbot: Logged on 23-01-2016 14:31:04; mircea_popescu: well yes. 39 is the old ak/sks russian thing. nato has a bigger one.
mats: what a massive waste of money for a) retrofit b) encouraging people to rambo
ben_vulpes: hey totally valid business strategy under gosplan--get yer shit mandated for use
punkman: ah now it makes more sense
mats: asciilifeform: well, yeah. burst is pretty good in close quarters
mats: the round itself is pretty light and you can control the grouping with practice
punkman: what's with the pharma spam in that article
mats: most people i've run into have been trained to exclusively use semi auto
mats: and some high speed units that have MOUT missions will teach burst in cqb
mats: and traditionally folks are taught that suppressive fire is for the SAW gunner
assbot: Logged on 23-01-2016 17:52:11; mircea_popescu: re BingoBoingo 's
https://voat.co/v/fatpeoplehate/comments/808993/4006420 << check out the ugly head of puritanism rearing its head yet again. "if i don't enjoy anything in the world i will surely be spared doom!!1". nothing's quite as resilient as idiocy.
assbot: Logged on 23-01-2016 18:26:38; ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu may have his reasons for being so friendly and welcoming but bearing a deep suspicion of new faces in #b-a has saved me untold heartbreak (and no doubt riches, if i were to listen to robert viragh's ilk)
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Not Robert V, The ragnar dude
BingoBoingo: The one who came with various promises of toil so can eat while hodl
BingoBoingo: At least it is one less ammends to make when step 9 comes around
assbot: Logged on 23-01-2016 18:12:25; mircea_popescu: anyway, my idea was originalyl that it's a collaborative tool par excellence. girls better support each other's back, lest they fall in.
assbot: Firearms gang's glamorous assistant who posed in provocative selfie with AK-47 jailed for 10 years - Mirror Online ... (
http://bit.ly/1ZUP3RN )
assbot: Logged on 23-01-2016 18:37:54; asciilifeform: horse is not permitted here except when used by police
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: "deactivated" typically means barrel filled with lead and various parts molested to place it substantially far from being a weapon capable of operation. Reactivating mean replacing parts.
BingoBoingo: For a while many of the fine mail order retailers of 'Murica actually marketed many of these museum weapons in their pages. Most have moved on from that though.
BingoBoingo: "When one boy snarled she should go back to India, she told him that under his argument he should go back to Africa. That cost her a disciplinary inquiry for 'racism'. She was also hauled in for suspected 'racism' when she used the technical term "negate" in her class -- and a black girl took it as an epithet and brought her hell-raising mother to school to confront her in the principal's office. "
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assbot: Logged on 08-01-2016 00:12:37; asciilifeform: and even not considering this absurdity, you would have same problem as vasectomy patient (the sperm gets reabsorbed and your immune system begins to generate antibodies against it. with bonus measurable extra risk of alzheimer's)
mats: stuck at work, asciilifeform ?
ben_vulpes: for someone reason vasalgel is being pushed as an alternative to risug
mats: i feel bad for the pizza guy that has to drive here in 45 mins
BingoBoingo: "The 14-page list of demands at Oberlin was detailed and contained many controversial items. Among other things, it demanded the immediate firing of some Oberlin employees, the immediate tenuring of some faculty members, specific curricular changes, a review and possible revision of the grading system (to be overseen by students), the creation of "safe spaces" for black students in at least three buildings on campus, the creation
BingoBoingo: of a program to enroll recently released prisoners from a nearby prison as undergraduates, divestment from Israel, and a requirement that black student leaders be paid $8.20 an hour for their organizing efforts."
assbot: Logged on 23-01-2016 19:47:00; ben_vulpes: that starts up, shits 40gb of files to disk immediately while importing the classic 'iphoto' library, and has now been spinning on the import for 2 straight days now.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo lol whence the spunk ? blackdemandsmatter!
BingoBoingo: It's Oberlin though so they've been enabling this shit for decades
mircea_popescu: well yeah. any sort of longer stretch is either inacceptably unprogressive or outright ridiculous.
mircea_popescu: consider : "so we'll have 3500% inflation over the next 25 years." "wait, that coems to ONLY 15% a year ? TOO SMALL!!1"
ben_vulpes: oho i'm going to have a blast with those demands later
mircea_popescu: "wait, that coems to ONLY 15% a year ? TOO SMALL!!1" <<< meant to be "only 150%", cuz nigga can't exponentiate, divides instead.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes so you starting your own "drunken mousy middle chalss chick at college" tumblr ?
BingoBoingo: "This meeting has reached a maximum of 50 participants. Please try again later."
assbot: Logged on 23-01-2016 20:06:49; ben_vulpes: i discovered my photo booth archives from freshman year
assbot: Logged on 23-01-2016 19:31:10; ben_vulpes: from:mircea_popescu media.tumblr.com
ben_vulpes: nah, just giving the botmakers lurking a tip on how to automate the baitprocurement
assbot: Logged on 23-01-2016 20:35:44; ben_vulpes: punkman: they're fighting him because he kicked their ass on the licensing front
assbot: Logged on 23-01-2016 20:39:46; mats: i learned today that the 82nd recently retrofitted their M4s to full auto
ben_vulpes admittedly has difficulty pulling head out of workplace safety mindset
assbot: Logged on 23-01-2016 20:44:26; asciilifeform: mats: was there ever a real rationale for the 3-round burst thing at all ?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes workplace safety != this just like domestic faithfulness != chastity belts.
mats: its a change that does make rifle teams more flexible
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but ONLY full auto means you can't do most of the things you actually want to do.
mircea_popescu: what the fuck are you going to do with a pos hot rifle that only fires full auto in the remains of a town ?
mats: although the effect is psychological and may not work against a trained enemy
mircea_popescu: mats and "trained" in this context merely means experienced.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform like every civilised everyone everwhere. aim the first.
mircea_popescu: by the time the 3rd went off, your barrel is so far up high it no longer matters.
assbot: Logged on 21-01-2016 15:24:17; thestringpuller: LOL >> "Don't forget Mr Popescu, who loves to harp on about how Bitcoin is not for the unwashed masses, just two weeks ago had a hugely embarrassing fiasco where he revealed he hadn't the faintest idea how Bitcoin transactions work.
mats: i personally like burst
mats: but the complexity it adds, usually isn't worth it
ben_vulpes: what, but the complexity of stack randomization /is/?!
mats: i don't make the rules, man
assbot: [MPEX] [S.NSA] 120000 @ 0.000087 = 10.44 BTC [-]
ben_vulpes: am i missing an order of magnitude here?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.NSA] 260000 @ 0.000085 = 22.1 BTC [-]
jurov: may they serve you well
mats: did you take a loss selling those
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 226316 @ 0.0005557 = 125.7638 BTC [-] {5}
jurov: mats, guess what was the ipo price?
jurov: 2013-10-17 08:16 Buy xxxxx@0.0001
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> bbbut what if spinnin' round & round, 'fooor piglet' << i imagine you're exactly on the mark. cartoon army, designing weapons for cartoon usage.
mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> holy shit snsa listed in 2013 <<< well yes, was gonna be xmas remember!
jurov: <asciilifeform> if i had an account, i'd buy it off him ! << iirc the person that holds your coins, does have an account? just ash zer to place teh order.
jurov: imo you gave him some indigestions already
BingoBoingo: Indigestions are an imprecise thing that over time increases risks of things like Barret's oesophagus
BingoBoingo: Hard to tell exactly when too many indigestions happen
mircea_popescu: "NervousNorbert [score hidden] 4 hours ago Consensus on increasing the maximum participant limit was not reached." << ahahaha top keks.
mircea_popescu: "The gang's downfall came when Aaron Shane Murphy and Uzair Patel, both 29, were stopped by police in a taxi in Newham in June 2015."
mircea_popescu: orly, check that out, airstrip one got taxi stopping policies nao ?
mircea_popescu: "I recently moved to the Pacific Northwest from Baltimore. What partly impelled the move was being beaten up by a black guy who I had grappled with and held down after he was chasing his girlfriend with a baseball bat. His GF and another woman went nuts, beating me as he and I grappled on the ground with me holding the bat with both arms. To shut them up, I stupidly rolled the bat away and let him get up. He promptly d
mircea_popescu: ecked me, kicked the hell out of my head (concussion and bleeding). I was very lucky. "
mircea_popescu: "These yuppie “blockbuster” musicians, who think they can save those who hate them and put their women and children in danger to assuage their own misplaced feminist guilt and world-saving bitch complex, should be staked out, skinned, have their eyelids pinned back, and left for the crows."
mircea_popescu: or, alternatively, they could be just left to do what they do, which is both cheaper and conceptually cleaner.
mircea_popescu: me: 'the measure of a state's sovereignty and quality of life therein is the degree to which it can deny benefits to outsiders' << certainly works to "why is B,TMSR~ superior to USG and necessarily a replacement thereof".
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes nevertheless, bear in mind that there is a catastrophic difference between "derp needing" and "dude trying to contribute".
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66432 @ 0.00056091 = 37.2624 BTC [+] {3}
hanbot: <mircea_popescu> me: 'the measure of a state's sovereignty and quality of life therein is the degree to which it can deny benefits to outsiders' << certainly works to "why is B,TMSR~ superior to USG and necessarily a replacement thereof". << to borrow a recent parallel from copypaste, couldn't the same be said of best korea?
mircea_popescu: sure. on the scale of sovereignity north korea is doing pretty well, too bad they're stupid.
hanbot: admittedly i was looking moar at the "quality of life" bit
mircea_popescu: ie, much easier to "deny benefits to outsiders" when nobody wants the benefits you offer.
mircea_popescu: well, "my son, we're bums but you'll inherit all of it" sorta degree. no loss in quality of life there.
phf: so only thing i did with timestamps in logs is add milliseconds to the log printer (to add necessary precisions to graphs). i'm pretty sure i discovered that blockchain height served as well in my case (produced similar shapes with none of the "laptop went to sleep" noise), but i was looking specifically at the number of block send/recv retries
hanbot: i wonder how often that's more tolerable than eg cazalla's worse-off-than-grandpa plight.
phf: but the patch got lost, between punkman taking over logging improvements and the v-ification
mircea_popescu: hanbot should be universal. if i find any thing worse than in the time of the predecessors i'm bringing out the machine guns and fire throwers as a matter of principle. and i want the skies bathed in the screams of the innocent and the blood of gutted babes, also as a matter of principle.
phf: i can bring it forward, it wasn't included in the v release, nor did anybody ask about it, so i assumed it's not needed