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asciilifeform: and i have reason to suspect that mpb is catastrophically defective and fails to pass tx to trb (which, recall, is a reference, one does not get to say that it is broken in vs the unpublished mpb) under certain circumstances.
asciilifeform: half the time i do not even know if he is speaking of a trb -- or mpb! node.
asciilifeform: incidentally, i still have nfi what mircea_popescu's patchset is. understandably he can stay mum about it if he likes, but it makes his debugging reports ~useless from a trb pov.
asciilifeform: (trb is 100% static, i hope this is not news to anyone)
a111: Logged on 2016-09-13 08:14 mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160913/#28 < no trb node of mine ever allocated 4gb ram. there's something weird there.
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160913/#28 < no trb node of mine ever allocated 4gb ram. there's something weird there. ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2016-09-13 03:11 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: does your trb node's memory usage grow unboundedly?
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Restart every few weeks to back up blockchain. Is not trb, but other on Openbsd with trb shit bolted onto sides
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: does your trb node's memory usage grow unboundedly? ☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: incidentally, what's the current list of public trb nodes ? i have -connect=108.31.170.49 54.187.227.228 46.166.165.30 91.218.246.31 172.86.178.46 50.168.67.12 of which a coupla be answering.
mircea_popescu: this said, i see absolutely no problem whatsoever implementing trb nodes on sign-hello.
asciilifeform: i even built trb for it.
shinohai: Imma try and have it up by first of week, I got sidetracked with this trb makefile thing
trinque: that said shinohai pls do not hook a cruddy anything to your trb for your own sake.
shinohai: What were specs for a bot wallet anyway? There was a cruddy one written by gribble's author I started to hook to trb one time but never finished
ascii_zimbabwe: i dun have this now only because it doesn't play well with trb.
trinque: because trb demons not fully enumerated
asciilifeform: conventional in the 'trb as we now have it' sense.
asciilifeform: at one time i considered adding, e.g., rate limiter, to trb, but decided that it is not the Right Thing.
asciilifeform: in other noose, 70.33.211.11 (yes, 1 box) has been ddosing trb nodes, in particular zoolag. ☟︎
shinohai: All jhvh1 wants is to be sure you have a working copy of trb when X-Day comes
mod6: <+asciilifeform> we burned it out of trb with hot irons, first thing, for a reason. << werd. thx.
asciilifeform: we burned it out of trb with hot irons, first thing, for a reason.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: nah i'm sourcing it in my own docs. i'm doing a big write up of trb for n00bs.
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: not satisfied with the cookbooks on trb mailinglist ?
Framedragger: asciilifeform: trb and mpex don't make themselves easy to be used by everyone. which YES is a great thing. but it's not because an angelic light shines upon them, repelling all evil.
davout: yeah sure, but that's kind of different from saying 'sucks because roger ver'. ver probably used the bitcoin client before it was set in stone for trb
asciilifeform: they aren't flocking to trb, or mpex, etc.
gribble: trinque was last seen in #trilema 2 hours, 18 minutes, and 23 seconds ago: <trinque> mircea_popescu: aha, will keep running the latest trb
asciilifeform: i've contemplated attempting an openwatcom build of trb.
trinque: mircea_popescu: aha, will keep running the latest trb
asciilifeform: problem in the trb case would be that trb is a cpp, and not c, proggy.
mod6: updated http://thebitcoin.foundation/trb-howto.html
asciilifeform: as happens many times every day on our trb nodes.
thestringpuller: wow did trb blackhole the entire box this time
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the 'segwit' thing is, as i understand, intended as a protocol hardfork - to isolate trb users.
asciilifeform: there will (and perhaps already are) a multitude of chumpers who believe they have X btc, while really they have some quantity Q, possible 0, of actual btc, and X-Q of gavinola, which consists of tx, somehow elaborately processed, that trb rejects as noise, and display as wtf 'shot into the sun' crapolade in any civilized block viewer
mircea_popescu: trb is however distinguished by being the most acceptant. so...
PeterL: but will trb accept block with chain of transactions in it?
asciilifeform: this piece was put in as attempt to disincentivize connection to trb nodes.
mircea_popescu: miner runnign trb-esque thing only would not, right. the first gets cut off because fees, the second because unknown inputs.
PeterL: so miner running trb-esque thing would not have second transaction
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as i understand, PeterL was pointing out that trb does not relay the ingredients desired in this kitchen.
asciilifeform: phf: the 'grabs a broom and a bucket and cleans it' incidentally is more or less the story of my 1st year of trb.
asciilifeform: shinohai: even trb will run for no more than 2-3 weeks on 2G.
asciilifeform: jurov: aha, and those are the 5 people who have any business patching trb.
mircea_popescu: anyway ; it's evident that in the future republican code will have one of the two possible profiles (trb-like ; eulora-like), not necessarily one, and certainly not necessarily the former.
phf: fwiw trb and eulora have opposite goals as far as exposure
phf: trb's build system is not sane
asciilifeform: as trb does.
asciilifeform: as trb does.
phf: trb builds on three systems altogether, and it's still a pita
asciilifeform: mod6's trb-builder.
phf: asciilifeform: do you have a gnupg1 version, that can be used as a trb-like base? i want to go through an execise of reading a diff between some version that can be relied on with all the disclaimers and whatever's in the trunk
a111: Logged on 2016-08-20 21:17 mod6: the goal is and remains this: get the trb build infrastructure completed, once and for all. close out this portion of development with the completion of that (Makefiles) and a subsequent tying vpatch to mark the milestone.
shinohai: +mircea_popescu why not try playing it lol. you just wanna compile thangs ? lol, this is why I stick more on trb side of things xD
a111: Logged on 2016-08-20 21:17 mod6: the goal is and remains this: get the trb build infrastructure completed, once and for all. close out this portion of development with the completion of that (Makefiles) and a subsequent tying vpatch to mark the milestone.
mod6: the goal is and remains this: get the trb build infrastructure completed, once and for all. close out this portion of development with the completion of that (Makefiles) and a subsequent tying vpatch to mark the milestone. ☟︎☟︎
mod6: pposed to replace it <+phf> instead. obviously this doesn't make for pretty graphs, so i don't upload it << yup. there's a planned vpatch for this. bunch of discussions. just been focusing my attention on trb build stuff lately.
asciilifeform: and trb - its own. etc.
asciilifeform: e.g., mod6's vtron does not depend on trb in any way shape or form
asciilifeform: not only trb.
asciilifeform: it is still the authoritative history of trb.
asciilifeform: this would be a handy (optional) item to have in trb.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> heh. aaand a trb node is at height 419220 for absolutely no reason ; 50+ connections, stable etc. << did this get fixed? or is it stuck at that same block still?
a111: Logged on 2016-08-16 01:35 mod6: <+pete_dushenski> mod6: pleased to report that 99994k spins up on deb7 without fuss. only comment would be on 'trb-howto' to suggest '-lows' command when booting bitcoind for the first time. << hey! Thanks for testing that!
mircea_popescu: heh. aaand a trb node is at height 419220 for absolutely no reason ; 50+ connections, stable etc.
mod6: <+pete_dushenski> mod6: pleased to report that 99994k spins up on deb7 without fuss. only comment would be on 'trb-howto' to suggest '-lows' command when booting bitcoind for the first time. << hey! Thanks for testing that! ☟︎
pete_dushenski: mod6: pleased to report that 99994k spins up on deb7 without fuss. only comment would be on 'trb-howto' to suggest '-lows' command when booting bitcoind for the first time.
mod6: essentially, i've taken all the buildroot deps (typically collected from the wan), along with the trb deeds, placed them in a local dir with the build script (modified to suit this process) and launched.
mod6: So in test-land news; I've created a working totally off-line build for trb.
mod6: asciilifeform: is nsa's trb down?
asciilifeform: he trb'd it.
asciilifeform: he solved it the trb way.
asciilifeform: sorta like we did with trb.
asciilifeform: iirc it was the db descriptors thing in trb.
mod6: basically, one can follow the instrutions here: http://thebitcoin.foundation/trb-howto.html
a111: Logged on 2016-07-31 21:31 mod6: %p trb 29
tb0t: Project: trb, ID: 29, Type: F, Subject: Redesign Wallet, Antecedents: 30, Notes: The original Reference Implementation wallet needs a redesign. http://trilema.com/2016/the-ideal-bitcoin-wallet/
mod6: %p trb 29 ☟︎
mod6: %e trb 29 F "Redesign Wallet" "The original Reference Implementation wallet needs a redesign. http://trilema.com/2016/the-ideal-bitcoin-wallet/" 30
tb0t: Project: trb, ID: 29, Type: F, Subject: Redesign Wallet, Antecedents: 30, Notes: The original Reference Implementation wallet needs a redesign.
mod6: %p trb 29
asciilifeform: nor could ever, with trb.
asciilifeform: it is about miners spitting on a perfectly valid, per trb rules, tx
asciilifeform: ~0 hashrate behind 100%-everything-trb-will-happily-eat protocol breadth
asciilifeform: so long as trb node accepts a hypothetical block as valid, it is mineable.
asciilifeform: (if this, they will eventually be candidates for anal reeducation, just as we would have been sans trb)
asciilifeform: so... has an 'eth trb' yet appeared ?
shinohai: trb users unaffected
trinque: tbot here is perl, trb builder is either sh or Makefile
trinque: only reliable trb node eh?
asciilifeform: box also hosts the only (afaik) 'five nines'-reliable trb node.
asciilifeform: not any dumber than mitming my trb node.
asciilifeform: the same sense the behaviour of my trb node's upstream makes.
tb0t: Project: trb, ID: 12, Type: F, Subject: Makefiles for building full orchastra, Antecedents: , Notes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-14#1502667
mod6: %p trb 12
tb0t: Project: trb, ID: 12, Type: F, Subject: Makefiles for building full orchastra, Antecedents: , Notes:
mod6: %p trb 12
mod6: %e trb 12 F "Makefiles for building full orchastra" "http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-14#1502667" ☝︎