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thortron: BingoBoingo eh nothing to say just lurking. Will pipe up when I can help on a task.
BingoBoingo: thortron: But, you really can't say I used to be X without... supporting the assertion?
thortron: BingoBoingo: If you ask gernika, I'm sure he would say "I agree."
thortron: BingoBoingo: in anycase consider the claim retracted, as attempting to prove it with a signed statement saying "I agree" would make any attempt to prove it worthless.
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell pete_dushenski C17H13ClN4 can be a lot of things, gotta present the atoms in a way the clarifies the structure
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no dude that's an ancient daguerotype thing
mircea_popescu: very much the 1800s computer, really. including apple hipsterism and the whole array of social peribehaviours
mircea_popescu: i suspect these actually form a class, something like "escapist technologies". up until recent "steampunk" revival, steam engine and metalworking did not enjoy same position.
mircea_popescu: while certainly being much more commonly seen ; important, useful, successful, you name it.
mircea_popescu: but from a cultural (as opposed to a civilisational) perspective, they're doing a (belated) digestion of a large field. ie, they're finally apple-izing it.
mircea_popescu: things the actual people involved would have never done.
shinohai: ;;later tell mod6 experiment was successful
BingoBoingo: "Ms Thomson, who is currently unemployed, said she was left heartbroken when one day Holly-Ann came home and asked, 'mum, why did you make me fat?'"
mircea_popescu: it's an iffy cheese, one of the few that do not age period. about as bad as seafood.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform thinking about it, there were historical attempts to morph clockwork into "escapist tech". some idiots were literally tryingm to make tin women, hence story of gepeto and such nonsense.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: it never took off, the suspension of disbelief required too great i guess.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-24 02:32 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform thinking about it, there were historical attempts to morph clockwork into "escapist tech". some idiots were literally tryingm to make tin women, hence story of gepeto and such nonsense.
mircea_popescu: nah, people stupid enough were born in the age of praxiteles.
mircea_popescu: in other news "hot pursuit" is an ok comedy. sofia vergara is dumb as a doorknob, but smoking hot ; reese witherspoon is maturing into a remarkable actress. if she keeps up she'll end up a sort of her generation's maryl streep.
mats: i'm reading on a cdc site that halon is approx. as toxic to humans as co2
mats: ok, ok, 'Immediately Dangerous to Life or Health Concentrations (IDLH)'
mircea_popescu: "car" is also not toxic, unless large concentration in your liver.
mod6: <+shinohai> ;;later tell mod6 experiment was successful << oh hey! didn't see this before. thanks!
mats: i presume they're plugged into an external battery, since the thing eats power like a motherfucker?
mats: (i refer to the white cables in the first photo)
BingoBoingo: I kinda wonder why they don't sew a mesh into themselves and use their Beetus as a fuel cell to charge phone.
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mats: couple of my female coworkers actually cry at work
mats: and obviously attention seeking
thestringpuller: All the ether and DAO huffers were like, "We are just doing this cause we have no other choice! We have to fork cause Vitalik told us Ethereum dies if we dont!"
thestringpuller: okay so they fork but still try to keep the moral high ground
thestringpuller: Then they begin to attack the competing chain, so where is the moral high ground now?
thestringpuller: damn what a mess. exactly what we predicted would happen in a hard fork.
mircea_popescu: "Charles informed me that my name is mud on something called reditt, a big reposting site." << lol nb.
mircea_popescu: "This year, so far, I have completed and published 36 titles and hope to wrap up eight more next month." << da fuck ? what's at work here, does he title his paragraphs individually ? there's enough articles to fill maybe half a book, is he not publishing most of his material ?
thestringpuller: in other lulz, Emin Gün Sirer, has gone full derp now. Tweets: "Anyone can fork any chain at any time."
mircea_popescu: "8. The police are more likely to attack black suspects than whites. Untrue. [Look, Tyrone 4 times as many pale faces are killed by pigs every year than are blacks." << this is a broken argument. if there's one baby and a hundred sluts and the police kills one baby and one slut, it is therefore fair to say the police is more likely to attack babies than sluts.
mircea_popescu: there's only 1/9 or so black dudes around in the us, prolly even less seeing how illegals are mostly non black and blacks don't have enough skillz to even be illegal in the first place. so then 1/4 ain't enough.
mircea_popescu: 9 is nonsense also, but too complicated sociology involved to be worth the stating.
thestringpuller: that's an interesting point. how is it that blacks are shot more often than their majority counterparts?
BingoBoingo: Has aspies, black man named Charles, too many lulz almost to be purely coincidental
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller because they're poorer, which makes them more frequently be in the kill zone (do man-hours spent being a ghetto prop for each pop and see) ; and cowardlier, which makes them more frequently misproject their threat footprint. (ie, whites carry concealed or discreetly, loaded weapons ; blacks carry visibly and loudly unloaded, often not even functional, or useful weapons - cue the derp with the assault rifle in
mircea_popescu: all in all i'd guess 1/4 is just about fair, really, but from this level of zoom-out the queen of england seems somewhat hot and hilary clinton seems like she might have a chance.
BingoBoingo: Actually I though the stats came out and blacks WEREN'T shot more often. Now they were beat more often and suffered every other many of humiliation far more often, but the rate of shooting was the same.
BingoBoingo: Someone actually did the numbers on shootings over some period of time. Poor white males get shot most, as they always have been.
mircea_popescu: re that : imagine the lulz when a) turns out the miners attack the "good" fork ; and b) the legal liability on the head of mit discussed yesterday STILL DOESNT GO AWAY.
thestringpuller: looks like the classic chain is picking up hashpower. difficulty is skyrocketing.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo no but he gotta learn the importance of giving the idiots time to invest themselves in the wrong side of the dispute.
mircea_popescu: obv next week it'll be all "oh we never said eth fork worked and therefore bitcoin should blablabla". BUT
thestringpuller: i attribute this to lack of patience. everyone jumps the gun, instead of "wait and see approach". The Silicon Valley approach to "move quick and break thigns as long as you make fake money" seems to be infecting the entire world.
BingoBoingo: Which is all fine when its your own things but when you tell other people you are doing this thing to their things it gets messy
mircea_popescu: nah, it's a very strict "look at the upside only" nonsense, which is what passes for "critical thinking" in the usg concentration camp. and HAS TO, it's not that usg is evil, is that the stupidity of the muppets in a socialist state IS REQUIRED. they MUST only see the upside, else their entire nonsensical "State" stops working.
mircea_popescu: this however leaves them very fucking exposed, because they wet panties over "oh, hard fork ethereum will set such great example!!1eleven". it will. for whom ?
mircea_popescu: that's where "nobody could have predicted" cuts in : nobody THAT WAS A GOOD SOCIALIST DERP could have predicted, because in order to be a socialist derp it is verboten to consider the downside. of anything.
mircea_popescu: because if you do consider undersides, socialism becomes a laughable proposition. but if you don't... why, best system evar!
thestringpuller: reminds me of an article I read about "successful people" and that when you read a success story you only read about their successes, not their failures. the avoidance of failure in this culture is profound.
thestringpuller: to the point i think people actually dress up failure as "success"
mircea_popescu: if it were avoidance of failuire per se, at least it'd be something. but it is avoidance OF THE REPRESENTATION of failure. it's not that they try not to fail ; they try to not think about failing in any way.
mircea_popescu: a cognitive misprocess which virtually ensures failure.
mircea_popescu: nobody ever succeeded yet in the history of human life but by avoiding failing.
thestringpuller: aha. so more of the embracing of failure (if it so happens), and learning from it.
mircea_popescu: no, more of "fuck, if we try a fork and we get overrun we're fucked - not only the legal mess we're in doesn't improve, but we lose control altogether"
thestringpuller: oh yea. in this scenario it seems like there were many decisions made without evaluating potential aftermath.
mircea_popescu: how do they get married ? "oh, wouldn't this woman be hot if she were hot ?" "she's a neurotic mess, and unable to stand on her own" "yes but IF!"
mircea_popescu: how do they buy a house ? "oh wouldn't this be a great house if it were a great house ?" "you don't get title, the credit terms are insane, the interest is massively overpriced, you give away all negotiating position and the house is a shitfarm in a shithole" "YES BUT IF!"
thestringpuller: hey! if the streets can teach you anything it should be, "you can't turn a ho into a housewife"
mircea_popescu: The bad thing about television is that everybody you see on television is doing something better than what you're doing. Did you ever see anybody on TV like just sliding off the front of the sofa with potato chip crumbs on their face? Some people have a little too much fun on television: the soda commercial people - where do they summon this enthusiasm? Have you seen them? "We have soda, we have soda, we have soda", jumping,
mircea_popescu: laughing, flying through the air - it's a can of soda. Have you ever been standing there and you're watching TV and you're drinking the exact same product that they're advertising right there on TV, and it's like, you know, they're spiking volleyballs, jetskiing, girls in bikinis and I'm standing there - "Maybe I'm putting too much ice in mine."
BingoBoingo: "They are dumb and giving you free water. I would make a wetlands, build a pond, or divert it all to a new garden. I'd also threaten to sue and demand they fund said project. That way you get a water source and a new garden installation."
BingoBoingo: "I get your point, but I'm in central North Carolina where we generally don't have water shortage problems, and I don't really want my side yard to become a swamp and mosquito breeding ground. "
mircea_popescu: you forgot yest's discussion re this thing ? fine, ill dig it up
a111: Logged on 2016-07-20 15:10 asciilifeform: why bother with the etherape thing only to release the mouse, still alive and well, from the mousetrap later ?
mircea_popescu: it's the official value attached to the entirely worthless bundle of tokens in question.
mircea_popescu: actually thestringpuller has a decent piece on some other scamcoin explaining how this "per token value with a cap" works. what was it called, steaming-pile-of-shit ? something like this.
mircea_popescu: "worth a dollar each up to a total of fiddy bucks ; there's ten million circulating"
mircea_popescu: if you recall the workings of "ration cards" during famine, you pretty much got the whole scheme of this "technological advance"
mircea_popescu: battery actually excellent model. "this provides 10kV, for a total 0.1VA energy draw"
mircea_popescu: battery altogether a good model for money in the general.
a111: Logged on 2014-11-07 18:55 asciilifeform: 'One metaphor for monetization is that of a storage vessel, like a battery for electricity or a tank for compressed gas. When people buy into the currency, they are charging the battery and compressing the tank. When they sell out, they are discharging the battery. When new currency is created (perhaps by alchemists) without a buy-in, the tank has sprung a leak. Etc. The charge, or the pressure, is simply the
ben_vulpes: aaand unrelatedly san fernando valley is burning!
ben_vulpes: actually that was in #trinquelantis now that i think on it
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: talking about the kid with the axe or the shooters?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: primarily interested in modeling the blockchain succinctly in sql. various webthingers will be a natural product.
ben_vulpes: (above has various oopsies, f.ex "previous block" should be a self-fk to blocks)
mircea_popescu: actually this is pretty valid research ground for fixing sql.
☟︎ ben_vulpes: nah, this isn't for block validation or anything.
ben_vulpes: but i am going to look into what indexing on transaction hash does to both disk utilization and lookup speed.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: when you say "queries per second", you mean during block validation?
a111: Logged on 2016-07-24 17:19 asciilifeform: also no qntra or logz mention of the german snackbar?
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> also no qntra or logz mention of the german snackbar? << At this point I'm combing for reaction lulz
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: I've got this storm on the weather beat.
BingoBoingo: Just waiting to stumble into the right detail.
phf: it probably shouldn't count the query itself?
mircea_popescu: phf i thought about that. if it doesn't, it should really simply ignore $s lines when searching. the problem is that sometimes searches carry metasyntactic value.
mircea_popescu: best leave it as is, human user ignores the $s if he wants to
BingoBoingo: Also at some point someone may build a bash again and need to find all the $b
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: How do people seriously expect to trade on such a laggy piece of shit?
mircea_popescu: anyway, laggy because victim of its own success, what with the latest lulz.
BingoBoingo: Not laggy because traffic. I mean laggy because of all the fucking widgets that have nothing to do with ordering.
BingoBoingo: Given how shitty the typical www browser is I wonder how the average suburban US pinoy can enter an order without crashing
mircea_popescu: "At this point the Dindu game is so much more sophisticated than the Pig game, one is tempted to surmise that federal operatives are advising the Dindu cadres." <<< that one is so tempted only speaks of the mangina-tastic quality of that one. really, so married to the belief that there's a meta-nsa in the sky, that all quality automatically gotta be allocated to IT ?
☟︎ mircea_popescu: absolutely no comments/interest whatsoever from anyone, of course, much like "gotham girl" joanne wilson, much like just about each and every one of the paper hopes pushing crowd.
mircea_popescu: and in further lulz re
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-24#1509652 i've just had it pointed out that the string "Who were the idiots who valued this scam at $9B and what responsibility do they bear? An experiment, by its very ..." which leads the google description of item 4 (experiment and scandal - AVC) is not actually present on the page.
☝︎ mircea_popescu: supposedly this is how spamblogs get banned by google, or something.
shinohai: thestringpuller: inching to #5 on coinmarketcap xD
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Eh, kind of a maybe. ALso seems like there could be some missing zeroes
mats: i don't see what poloniex and bitfinex have to gain by including 'ethereum classic' along with 'ethereum'
mats: what am i missing here
mats: even under the mp premise that there is no real money in play here - dueling forks cannot possibly go well for public idiot confidence in the scheme
BingoBoingo: The part where they had the classic ethereum anyways and likely wanted to head off the pain in court by giving the tokens to the victims they tried to steal them from when they first decided to pretend the tokens didn't exist.
BingoBoingo: It's not that they have anything to gain. It is that they desperately need to clean this wound before everyone smells them going septic.
BingoBoingo: ^ asciilifeform I guess the absence of aftermath details is the lulz
BingoBoingo: Never could have predicted that despite all the "summer of forks" bluster that everything but Bitcoin would be devastated by forks and coup attempts.
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BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Aha, St Louis and Chicago also have embattled polacks
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Around these parts Irish are largely assimilated into larger class of "white folk"
BingoBoingo: Chicago may have "Irish" but since St Louis's settled in south city interbred with other palefaces readily, same with Italians. Poles though settled in North City.
mircea_popescu: mats> what am i missing here << generally, one has to gain his own skin.
mats: no idea what that means
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BingoBoingo: "The patient sued the physician assistant and the supervising physician. During discovery, the PA testified that he had considered the diagnosis of compartment syndrome, but had never seen a case of compartment syndrome in his career."
BingoBoingo: No One Could Have Predicted an injury common to athletes could have happened to someone competing in an athletics
phf: i'm on a vacation in Seattle, but there's no way i'm coming back from vacation without a working bot restart