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trinque: decimation: schizophrenic goes it alone, creates a system far lispier than this gentoo mess I live in
trinque: something sad about that
decimation: well, the idea of executing everything in 'ring 0' is appealing to me
trinque: Every piece of code in TempleOS (except the initial kernel/compiler) is JIT compiled on demand. Yes that’s right – you can run a program without compiling it, simply by using an #include statement from the command line. << I believe this is one of asciilifeform's desirable system features
decimation: the concept of partitioning security zones on a 'c machine' is an excercise in sophistry
trinque: "TempleOS is a motorbike. If you lean over too far, you’ll fall off. Don’t do that." << this guy's awesome.
scoopbot_revived: Ministry of Games: Eulora Enters Public Beta http://qntra.net/2015/06/ministry-of-games-eulora-enters-public-beta/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60134 @ 0.00035592 = 21.4029 BTC [+] {2}
decimation: http://www.oregonlive.com/silicon-forest/index.ssf/2015/02/alex_payne_one_of_twitters_fir.html < this alex payne guy was part of those who joined the anti-yarvin campaign
assbot: Alex Payne, who helped build Twitter, returns to Portland as tech mentor and vegan restaurateur | OregonLive.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1eZ7oaH )
decimation: "While much of Silicon Valley grew enamored of the digital currency Bitcoin as a libertarian alternative to central banks, Payne began consulting with the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, a new federal agency created at the urging of liberal lion Elizabeth Warren."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 171150 @ 0.00036788 = 62.9627 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: "helped build twitter" whassat.
mircea_popescu: like http://trilema.com/2014/the-battlefield-of-the-future/#selection-35.0-35.72
assbot: The battlefield of the future on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1MjCF2w )
mircea_popescu: and wtf is a "liberal lion" and wtf, warren's roughly speaking a shop clerk. what lion./
mircea_popescu: http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_md71g7nlTq1rq6vz1o1_500.gif << liberal kittens.
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1MjCMem )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17600 @ 0.00036819 = 6.4801 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: http://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20150608/civic-center/jail-doctors-made-man-impotent-by-failing-treat-6-day-erection-lawuit
assbot: Jail Doctors Made Man Impotent by Failing to Treat 6-Day Erection: Lawsuit - Civic Center - DNAinfo.com New York ... ( http://bit.ly/1AYGPMP )
trinque: god this payne guy is exactly what's wrong with portland
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trinque: fucking communist that took his stumbling into wealth as a sign that being a communist is right (what.. the fuck?), that businesses which something something social good are going to succeed, that the financial considerations are not essential to business but evil!
trinque: at least if he had the spine to be a proper communist I'd have a shred more respect
mats: lies
mats: this place breeds contempt
trinque: mats: actually I produce my own home-grown, free range contempt
mircea_popescu: lol
mats: carry on
mircea_popescu: well trinque... it worked when random ho was telling all the lazy schoolage hos about how the path to oprah richdom is not in school.
mircea_popescu: why should the same not work on bois ?
mircea_popescu: gangsta rap fo' da whitey!
trinque: bleh... BLEH!
trinque was raised by stern white men who said "do useful work, improve yourself, don't be a fucking fool"
trinque: seems that all evaporated in the US
ben_vulpes: whadday'all use for desktop environments, if any? i've inserted ubuntu into this mac and now need to make it usable
trinque: ben_vulpes: for who? yourself?
ben_vulpes: myeah
ben_vulpes: should i skip the desktop environment?
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: XFCE is prolly the best stating out option
trinque: could always copy your stump over
BingoBoingo: Or just use a bare windows manager
trinque: yeah xfce's lightweight, the various *box (openbox, fluxbox) ones are also very lightweight
ben_vulpes: myeah i plan to run stump
ben_vulpes: is teh desktop environment even strictly speaking necessary?
BingoBoingo: not really
trinque: my setup is xdm and stumpwm
trinque: BingoBoingo: xdm will read a file called .xsession in your home dir to launch whatever you want
trinque: rather execute, not read
trinque: bash script in there with: exec /your/wm/binary
BingoBoingo: trinque: Yeah, that's pretty much the standard for setting up anything.
BingoBoingo: !up tsoulus
BingoBoingo: !up Pierre_Rochard
BingoBoingo: Pierre_Rochard: How goes the shoulder
Pierre_Rochard: it’s out of the sling, starting physical therapy tomorrow
Pierre_Rochard: btw giving my two weeks notice to bitpay tomorrow
Pierre_Rochard: I’m going back to wall street
ben_vulpes: scoop!
ben_vulpes: wow rly
Pierre_Rochard: haha
ben_vulpes: what'd you do in WS?
ben_vulpes: s/in/on
Pierre_Rochard: accountant for new securitization issuances
Pierre_Rochard: this will be a different role though, I’ll be working with institutional investors to move their accounting from spreadsheets and PDFs to SQL databases
scoopbot_revived: Eurlorean Crafting - The Pickaxe Illumination http://trilema.com/2015/eurlorean-crafting-the-pickaxe-illumination/
trinque: Pierre_Rochard: sounds like a vast improvement :p
trinque shudders to think of some of the worst abuses of excel spreadsheets he's seen
Pierre_Rochard: trinque: agreed, great role to hone my python skills in
ben_vulpes: Pierre_Rochard: get intimate with the sql
ben_vulpes: trinque likes to bang on about how it was designed as an end-user-programming environment for accountants
trinque: word
trinque: all the questions any account will ever want to ask are able to be expressed as SQL
trinque: worth considering how close you may be able to get the accountant to writing the queries themselves
trinque put a great deal of effort into that problem, only to conclude that one should learn to write the damn query directly
Pierre_Rochard: agreed, though I do lean on sqlalchemy a lot, I can write raw sql
Pierre_Rochard: I’d like to just go straight to pl/pgsql at some point
trinque: staying too cozy in python, you'll probably end up reinventing things the db can do better
trinque: consider for example the difference between using a python ORM and raw SQL for an aggregate over some column
trinque: most ORMs would load the whole damn row into an "object" whatever that is, load all the objects into a list, then iterate over that duplicated set of data and barf out the aggregate ☟︎
danielpbarron: http://www.trashbagbondage.com/ >> Welcome to Trash Bag Bondage >> We now accept bitcoin
mircea_popescu: <Pierre_Rochard> this will be a different role though, I’ll be working with institutional investors to move their accounting from spreadsheets and PDFs to SQL databases <<< the virgin goddess weeps.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-06-2015#1157366 << highest performance card where the open driver actually worked (of those still produced) ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 08-06-2015 23:57:30; decimation: asciilifeform: the intel cards were hardly high performance
Pierre_Rochard: trinque: I made that mistake with the first version of pacioli with datetime logic, I’ve pushed all of that logic onto postgres now
trinque: Pierre_Rochard: that said I am under the suspicion that this kind of programming can also be done with CLOS in common lisp
trinque: though I'm not sure yet what that looks like
trinque: asciilifeform: ?
mats: http://www.themoscowtimes.com/article/523245.html
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1AYL0s8 )
mats: >Russian Dies After Eating [Parts of] Tablet Computer to Avoid Police Detention
trinque: not that kind of tablet
trinque: lol
mircea_popescu: they didn't beat him or nottin
asciilifeform: http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/girl-electrocuted-by-tablet-in-bathtub/504561.html << related !
assbot: Girl Electrocuted by Tablet in Bathtub | News | The Moscow Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1AYLa2H )
asciilifeform misread initially as 'girl electrocuted by toilet in bathtub'
trinque: I guess franz, inc has some sort of database over CLOS objects
asciilifeform: trinque: or the open src 'elephant' ☟︎
asciilifeform: which turns any clos class into a working db
trinque: asciilifeform: very cool
trinque: ty
asciilifeform: it is very finicky but once it works - it works.
trinque: every program I've ever been paid to write was just a glorified db editor
trinque: still looking for the perfect set of tools for that
asciilifeform: trinque: consider new job ?
trinque: pays just fine, why would I/
asciilifeform: at least change gas mask filter frequently.
trinque: I'm under the delusion that I can make suffciently general tools the jobs don't take that long
trinque: lol
ben_vulpes: i'm going to beg a copy of trinque's tools and go murder parts of the economy he's not
trinque: right, that's the fun part
ben_vulpes: i'll work on dirty bits too
asciilifeform spent virtually whole day moving logic analyzer probes around.
ben_vulpes: at least you weren't programming?
mircea_popescu: LA still takes programmingm
asciilifeform: no, but i'm waiting for mircea_popescu to wake up and tell me how to do that from across an ocean
asciilifeform: l0l there he is.
mircea_popescu: >D
mircea_popescu: im too busy fucking digging up boulders for crying out loud
asciilifeform: l0lders
mircea_popescu: this is all i ever dreamed of - a mmorpg where i know the owner so all the stupid shit can be shot in the head
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asciilifeform: little did mircea_popescu know that it is not enough to shoot stupid shit in the head, it has to be scattered with trotyl and buries in five separate graves, or will re-assemble
mircea_popescu: i don't mind.
mircea_popescu is kinda curious whether anyone ever manages to reverse the magic i put into this thing
asciilifeform: reverse in the sense of building it again somewhere else ?
mircea_popescu: reverse in the sense of descvribing the black box.
asciilifeform: or in the sense of godelizing it to go to some unintended place
asciilifeform: ah
mircea_popescu: it is after all the one problem of the clockwork puzzle. how to make one ?
danielpbarron: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BUADXETCIAEokzE.png << fox news explains github ☟︎
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1AYMank )
mircea_popescu: is it a collection of tubes ?
mircea_popescu: "e-note" ?
mircea_popescu: wtf is wrong with these people.
mircea_popescu: in other news, there's 3x as many people reading trilema off a sony playstation than nintendo wii
danielpbarron: the news lady in the background looks baffled
mircea_popescu: i had nfi you could do that.
trinque: wii's got opera on it, dunno bout ps
mircea_popescu: so how do you type ?
danielpbarron: on screen keyboard plus joystick
mircea_popescu: oh
trinque: on the wii you use a mickey mouse finger and your self respect
trinque: I guess the ps browser might be opera too
mircea_popescu: Mr Warren BuffettMon, 4:48 am 4.5 KiB$5 MILLION USD DONATION FROM MR WARREN BUFFETT
mircea_popescu: "I like to re-assure you of the legitimacy of this services as we will not be involved in any fraudulent act and will never be. use the money wisely, we only want to feel good by helping people this time of the year, this is the only thing that makes my wife happy too even now that she is not here with me anymore, we have too much to give away as I only have few months left on earth."
mircea_popescu: apparently one doesn't need to master english to catch the run-on sentences disease.
trinque: well shit I can't argue with pleasing his dead wife
trinque: where do I wire the funds?
mircea_popescu: send em to bill gates.
mircea_popescu: fun fact : search for barren muffett -> Quizás quisiste decir: warren buffett
mircea_popescu: oh and also : susan (who died like a decade ago) was into "population control" ☟︎
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 124850 @ 0.00034191 = 42.6875 BTC [-] {2}
trinque: I'm sure for humanitarian reasons.
mircea_popescu: speaking of trios, she actually left the guy to be a cabaret dancer in the 70s,
mircea_popescu: then provided a replacement (astrid)
mircea_popescu: the three sorta lived together
mats: did he inspire you to do the same
mircea_popescu: mno
mats: :P
mircea_popescu only heard of buffett relatively recently.
decimation: asciilifeform: who killed matrox?
decimation: although all the matrox boards I have used recently were shit
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7740 @ 0.00034833 = 2.6961 BTC [+]
decimation: I bet the girl in the bathtub would have wished that her charger came with a $0.01 fuse ☟︎
trinque: wait wait
trinque: how in the fuck is github worth anything let alone 750mil ☟︎
trinque: well hell, the currency's not worth anything anymore, maybe they are
asciilifeform: decimation: matrox killed itself
asciilifeform: decimation: by turning full-bore winblows-only
asciilifeform: it was once the gold standard of graphics-for-linux
decimation: yeah I remember
asciilifeform owned a succession of matrox boards, until this.
decimation: amusingly even modern x86 servers still come with matrox cards
decimation: but they are shit
asciilifeform has not encountered or so much as smelled a matrox board for many years
decimation: asciilifeform: they come on both dell & hp rack servers
decimation: as 'standard console'
asciilifeform never seen anything but intel graphics in those
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-06-2015#1157534 << fuse does exactly nothing in such a case. you were thinking of a 'ground-fault-interrupter' ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 09-06-2015 02:49:54; decimation: I bet the girl in the bathtub would have wished that her charger came with a $0.01 fuse
asciilifeform: (gadget standard in newer bathrooms which senses whether current-in == current-out, and kills circuit if not)
decimation: well, depends on the exact nature of the shock
decimation: was it 5v? or 240v mains?
asciilifeform: btw even these do not always help in the case of 'toaster in bathtub'
asciilifeform: almost certainly mains
asciilifeform: 5v doesn't do much in water
decimation: most shit chinese transformers I've come across are direct shorts to neutral
decimation: 5v ground short to neutral
trinque: "Development work on Elephant been limited since 2009 and support not complete for the latest versions of SBCL and ClozureCL. It hasn't been tested at all with recent Allegro and Lispworks releases." << must be near the end of the most recent lisp cycle
decimation: but yes, a gfi would have helped too. are they not standard in ru?
asciilifeform: decimation: take a guess.
asciilifeform: (they are 'standard' in usa too, but i only touched one with own hands when moved into current house)
decimation: heh yeah
decimation: building codes are a dumbass idea
asciilifeform: americans often piss their pants (or nearly) when travelling abroad to 'orc' world, when they discover what -no- building code looks like
decimation: not because building to standards is dumb, but because it inevitably turns into a racket
asciilifeform: e.g., light switches at whatever height builder felt like placing them
decimation: heh yeah 'concrete box' is sop
asciilifeform: (i have heard of literal pant-pissing when subject could not find light switch in toilet)
decimation: asciilifeform: what I don't get about the 'orc' world is: why not learn to fix shit like that yourself?
decimation: orcs can access wikipedia too
asciilifeform: decimation: on a typical day, do you feel like moving a light switch ?
asciilifeform: one that works perfectly
decimation: heh good point
asciilifeform: or are there 1,001 other things to do.
asciilifeform: decimation: not like 'humans' will fix their broken-by-design surroundings. visit a few folks in usa and see how many drilled out the idiot 'water saver' thing from their shower head.
asciilifeform: my guess: none
asciilifeform: ditto the toilet
asciilifeform: (more complicated problem, but most can be transformed into something like a pre-1992 model)
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trinque: I tend to be amazed by guys my age that don't own *any* tools
asciilifeform: trinque: wai wat
trinque: at the amazement or the lack of tools
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah the 'low flow' toilets are bullshit
asciilifeform: for non-u.s. folks: picture a toilet that won't flush -anything solid- in less than 3-4 shots
asciilifeform: (if lucky)
decimation: but isn't the flow limited by ceramic plumbing?
asciilifeform: decimation: in the worst cases, yes
asciilifeform: but more typically, it is 'set in software'
asciilifeform: that is, by the position of the siphon
decimation: yeah, makes sense
trinque: yeah mine's got that adjuster on the arm you can diddle a bit
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-06-2015#1157500 << gotta love the idiots. as if 'git' had no existence outside of 'github' ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 09-06-2015 02:13:36; danielpbarron: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BUADXETCIAEokzE.png << fox news explains github
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-06-2015#1157521 << how many did she shoot with own rifle ? ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 09-06-2015 02:25:31; mircea_popescu: oh and also : susan (who died like a decade ago) was into "population control"
mircea_popescu: women aren't held to.
asciilifeform: fine. how many she ordered shot ?
mircea_popescu wasn't there, doesn't know.
decimation: heh so warren has a harem?
mircea_popescu: but the idea that random derps are getting 5mn from wb because susan'd have wanted it...
mircea_popescu: mkay.
mircea_popescu: decimation the 70s were 45 years ago.
mircea_popescu: anwyay, off i go. laters all!
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decimation: population control was pretty fashionable amoung 70's liberals
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu would you happen to know the name (part #?) of the yugoslavian clone of the cdp1802 ? or (if existed) ro version ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
decimation: asciilifeform: your history of x86 link was interesting
asciilifeform: decimation: gotta love how the -single worst- cpu of the '80s is still with us.
asciilifeform: (one of the best, z80, is -also- still with us. in current production, by the millions.)
decimation: heh yeah
asciilifeform: you can even get pin-compatible with the classical dip-40 package.
asciilifeform: ~5 usd.
decimation: asciilifeform: how much does that space qualified ancient cpu cost?
asciilifeform: decimation: depends where
asciilifeform: decimation: old-new stock on 'ebay' - 2-3 usd.
asciilifeform: brand-new from 'intersil' - somewhere south of 200
asciilifeform: (but will they ship to a plebe? satan only knows)
decimation: heh, maybe if you a plebe in the us
asciilifeform: if you want it, straight to ebay
asciilifeform: where there are sealed tubes still for sale
asciilifeform: enough to last your whole life
asciilifeform: and to equip an entire space fleet
asciilifeform: decimation: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1066 << example circuit for it. (cdp1802)
assbot: Loper OS » MicroWriter Redux. ... ( http://bit.ly/1GnhfBi )
asciilifeform: it's the fat bugger in the middle
asciilifeform: (dip-40)
decimation: asciilifeform: related: http://www.planetary.org/blogs/jason-davis/2015/20150530-lightsail-phones-home.html
assbot: Contact! LightSail Phones Home after 8-Day Silence | The Planetary Society ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gnhi0e )
decimation: heh the cy enfield keyboard
decimation: apparently the 'new cool kids' couldn't be bothered to write decent software or use rad hard cpu
asciilifeform: decimation: endfield didn't pick it because rad-hard, but because was cheap and had very interesting (read: efficient) instruction set
decimation: yeah I'm sure he didn't use space qualified
asciilifeform: it beat the shit out of its contemporaries (z80, 6502) for instruction-compactness
asciilifeform: the basic model was actually 'spacey'
asciilifeform: (later it sold as si-on-sapphire for added 'spaciness')
decimation: if I were launching a satellite I would sure as hell rather have time-proven parts
asciilifeform: thing had huge transistors, and only around 5,000 of them
decimation: at least for the command/control peices
decimation: write in forth if assembly is too much
asciilifeform: for many years i have searched for a period example of 'voting circuit'
asciilifeform: which 1802 etc. was surely used in
asciilifeform: but never found this
decimation: 'tandem cpus'?
asciilifeform: aha
asciilifeform: at one point i toyed with the idea of building a 'wallet' with one.
asciilifeform: long ago.
decimation: yeah that's what you would want
asciilifeform: 'a sapper errs once' (tm)
decimation: maybe intel will get around to releasing a cpu that uses cores for error checking rather than extra derpage
asciilifeform: intel can build a machine for transforming lead into gold, i still won't buy it. ☟︎
decimation: asciilifeform: did you see that nxp bought freescale
asciilifeform: aha
asciilifeform was not moved to emotion by this
decimation: soon all we will have is intelroloa
decimation: usg dept. of chips
asciilifeform: the grand finale will be the intel-arm merger
asciilifeform: (arm is de-facto microshit to intel as present-day ibm)
asciilifeform: it is interesting to contemplate how many of the traditional nato stereotypes of soviet industry were not only false, but apply to nato wholly and not at all to sov ☟︎
asciilifeform: e.g., ussr had, in fact, a great many independent (in the administrative -and- engineering sense) manufacturers of various things
asciilifeform: nominally under the boot of 'gosplan' but factually own animals
asciilifeform: whereas there is not, nor can there be, an independent maker of, e.g., cpu, in the nato blok
decimation: asciilifeform: actually what's amusing is that usg has many similar competing departments
asciilifeform: e.g., i have found at least five entirely separate sov. clones of z80
asciilifeform: designed by different people, produced in entirely different places, with different processes
decimation: none of them make stuff themselves though
asciilifeform: some were not even clones in the traditional sense, but legit reimplementations
asciilifeform: iirc the sov. single-chip pdp11 (famous in 'bk-0010' microcomputer) appeared before there was such a thing in the west
decimation: the msp430 is kinda like the pdp11
asciilifeform: my elder brother, like millions of kids, learned on it
asciilifeform: decimation: only in the loose sense where 'commodore amiga' is like pdp
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decimation: actually germany has a somewhat independent chip manufacturing plants
asciilifeform: had?
decimation: somehow they don't produce different designs though
asciilifeform: plenty of good stuff made in gdr
decimation: heh yeah ddr was the silicon valley of su
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decimation: the massive antibody response from usg against these escaped prisoners is amusing ☟︎
decimation: every weekend in baltimore several people catch a bullet, nobody gives a shit
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punkman: https://www.blockstream.com/2015/06/08/714/
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davout: !s mod6 gentoo guide
assbot: 9 results for 'mod6 gentoo guide' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=mod6+gentoo+guide
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punkman: !up vexual
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89253 @ 0.00036723 = 32.7764 BTC [+]
vexual: thanks punk
vexual: whats greece liek for the man on the street now?
vexual: i imagine everyones calm until one cunt throws an orange
punkman: I wouldn't know, looks like business as usual from my pov
vexual: no paycut for punkman eh?
punkman: I imagine things are more tense in Athens, but haven't been in that shithole for a while now
vexual: lol
vexual: ive never been
punkman: punkman doesn't do business in Greece
wyrdmantis: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 360123 | Current Difficulty: 4.758959115362501E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 360863 | Next Difficulty In: 740 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 13 hours, 37 minutes, and 46 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 49249529780.3 | Estimated Percent Change: 3.48803
vexual: whats 3 pc in peta?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47626 @ 0.00037375 = 17.8002 BTC [+] {2}
vexual: circa 1?
vexual: thats a guess
vexual: 24 moons either way im prolly right
punkman: that's 3 percent in difficulty not hashes
vexual: yes
vexual: how much hash does it take to move it 3pc
vexual: the consesnus is a guess at the hash
punkman: https://bitcoinwisdom.com/bitcoin/difficulty
assbot: Bitcoin Difficulty and Hashrate Chart - BitcoinWisdom ... ( http://bit.ly/1dZyX3C )
vexual: curlys for sale
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68700 @ 0.00037383 = 25.6821 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72500 @ 0.00037398 = 27.1136 BTC [+]
vexual: hola bb
cazalla: evening
BingoBoingo: Hi
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23900 @ 0.00037456 = 8.952 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 154250 @ 0.00037507 = 57.8545 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: !up gmaxwell
BingoBoingo: !up kyuupichan
shinohai: "If you don't like it, find another project" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIafZXRDH7w&feature=youtu.be&t=1672
assbot: CoinScrum: QA with Gavin Andresen and Mike Hearn - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1eZNexn )
shinohai: mkay
BingoBoingo: shinohai: What's the tldr; on the context?
shinohai: tl;dr If you need "another project" to work, join #b-a!
shinohai: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 230.58, Best ask: 230.59, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 230.59, 24 hour volume: 28639.34531439, 24 hour low: 225.07, 24 hour high: 232.07, 24 hour vwap: None
wyrdmantis: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 360129 | Current Difficulty: 4.758959115362501E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 360863 | Next Difficulty In: 734 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 12 hours, 4 minutes, and 25 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 49250775280.4 | Estimated Percent Change: 3.49065
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29970 @ 0.00036723 = 11.0059 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73308 @ 0.00035592 = 26.0918 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50792 @ 0.0003539 = 17.9753 BTC [-]
punkman: shinohai: hah, good one
jurov: ;;calc 750/12
gribble: 62.5
jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-06-2015#1157536 << if each chump is worth $62.5 on average ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 09-06-2015 02:53:51; trinque: how in the fuck is github worth anything let alone 750mil
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10982 @ 0.0003539 = 3.8865 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90790 @ 0.0003583 = 32.5301 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58915 @ 0.00036457 = 21.4786 BTC [+]
wyrdmantis: any thoughts on this? --> https://youtu.be/zbp412zFsto
assbot: 양자암호원리, QKD, 야동? No! 양동!!! - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1T8Dvo4 )
shinohai: http://en.rocketnews24.com/2013/01/10/japanese-hacker-sends-police-on-chase-to-find-cat-with-computer-virus-strapped-to-collar-encrypts-clues-with-final-fantasy-language/
funkenstein_: looks to me like pure theatre ☟︎
funkenstein_: if there really are "many ways to discover the private keys", then there are necessarily many ways to discover the message sent, no matter how it was encrypted and keys distributed
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 111168 @ 0.00037062 = 41.2011 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: there existed an "official" one, MMN80CPU and a number of unofficial clones made in small runs and mostly clandestinely. (most of ex-soviet bloc economy in the early 90s consisted of "anyone who is clever enough to use this nobody's fixed capital - welcome to do so for the cost of the consumables") ☟︎
mircea_popescu: iirc the yugos had even more , but i don't recall specifics
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ^
mircea_popescu: http://www.cpushack.com/gallery-1/mmn/mmn80cpu-2591/ << confirmed for correct visual.
assbot: MMN80CPU 2591 | The CPU Shack Museum ... ( http://bit.ly/1dZVxcf )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 147700 @ 0.00035899 = 53.0228 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-06-2015#1157652 << good choice, gold's a govt scam anyway ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 09-06-2015 03:34:02; asciilifeform: intel can build a machine for transforming lead into gold, i still won't buy it.
mircea_popescu: amusing how transparent the usg efforts of turning bitcoin into gold are, by the way. "oh, we don't want to kill bitcoin, honest, we just want to make it so we're the only ones that can safely hold it. you know... like gold..." ☟︎
mircea_popescu: the population of the world barn stood for it once, "monopoly on violence" and all that bull, why shouldn't it work again ???
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-06-2015#1157660 << fnargl problem. the soviet politbureau was secure. the usg "feminists" are not. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 09-06-2015 03:36:59; asciilifeform: it is interesting to contemplate how many of the traditional nato stereotypes of soviet industry were not only false, but apply to nato wholly and not at all to sov
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 116000 @ 0.00035814 = 41.5442 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: $ curl https://www.blockstream.com/2015/06/08/714/
assbot: Announcing Sidechain Elements: Open source code and developer sidechains for advancing Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBQoUT )
mircea_popescu: curl: (35) Unknown SSL protocol error in connection to www.blockstream.com:443 ☟︎
mircea_popescu: this bodes well for them.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, For additional background on Blockstream’s founding values, read “Blockstream: A Champion of Bitcoin’s Core Values.” ?! "press@blockstream.com" ?!
mircea_popescu: dudes, lay off seriously.
mircea_popescu: everyone's a perianne boring now ?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-06-2015#1157762 <<< mmyeah. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 09-06-2015 11:31:45; funkenstein_: looks to me like pure theatre
mircea_popescu: i will also observe that s.mg launches much awaited bitcoin's mmorpg, usg.agitprop is silent ; "blockstream" launches "much awaited" (by whom ?) nothing at all, the wsj seems compelled to write it up within the hour. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: ahh how your blood will flow, old whore.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2015/eurlorean-crafting-the-pickaxe-illumination/#selection-99.53-99.69 << how does that look to you ? :D ☟︎
assbot: Eurlorean Crafting - The Pickaxe Illumination on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBR8JI )
davout: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-06-2015#1157448 <<< no sane orm would do that ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 09-06-2015 01:55:55; trinque: most ORMs would load the whole damn row into an "object" whatever that is, load all the objects into a list, then iterate over that duplicated set of data and barf out the aggregate
mircea_popescu: im pretty sure i have seen this
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-06-2015#1157789 << some serious magic! ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 09-06-2015 13:11:13; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2015/eurlorean-crafting-the-pickaxe-illumination/#selection-99.53-99.69 << how does that look to you ? :D
mircea_popescu: hehehe
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-06-2015#1157765 << that's a z80! not a cdp1802. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 09-06-2015 12:21:50; mircea_popescu: there existed an "official" one, MMN80CPU and a number of unofficial clones made in small runs and mostly clandestinely. (most of ex-soviet bloc economy in the early 90s consisted of "anyone who is clever enough to use this nobody's fixed capital - welcome to do so for the cost of the consumables")
mircea_popescu: and in the breakfast cereal today, http://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_maz4dlgoVF1r3iafjo1_500.gif
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1FGHajR )
asciilifeform: -everybody- had a z80.
asciilifeform: i bet zimbabwe had one.
mircea_popescu: oh oh 1802
mircea_popescu: yes, they did, romanian friendship :D
mircea_popescu: ceausescu dude was nuts about africa.
asciilifeform: and cn
asciilifeform: phun phakt: my parents still have chinese towels father bought in ro in '80s
mircea_popescu: lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 143800 @ 0.00036461 = 52.4309 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: in other nyooz, http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F3345E99D51E56537F74CE146536E40351169B4683A79EE61CC1A5042861E630
assbot: Welcome | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1FGHA9M )
asciilifeform: (where the hell is that ticker?)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know, i dun think romania actually ever made that.
asciilifeform: 1802?
asciilifeform: i only know of a yugo version
asciilifeform: (and three or four american)
mircea_popescu: yeah memory doth not bring up anything.
mircea_popescu: "Karen Bender" is not a bad name by the way
asciilifeform: 'i am bender, please insert girder' (tm) (r) ('futurama')
mircea_popescu: lol
asciilifeform: https://github.com/asciilifeform/CyEmu/tree/master/emu << my ancient and very bad 1802
assbot: CyEmu/emu at master · asciilifeform/CyEmu · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1FGHU8y )
asciilifeform: thing was famous for, among other things, 'sex' instruction
BingoBoingo: OMG a self replicating processor?
asciilifeform: l0l
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo no it was morel ike http://33.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mb7fz1QLnr1rtxn3oo1_400.gif
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBSGmX )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo i think would like this chip
asciilifeform: phun phakt: you can still buy a toy computer with it: http://www.retrotechnology.com/memship/memship.html
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBSHap )
asciilifeform: yes, with togglers.
asciilifeform: http://www.retrotechnology.com/memship/mema_2.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBSKTw )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but seriously, "efficiency" aside, i have nfi how one'd program for a processor that allows random switching in and out of the process counter / memory counter etc.
mircea_popescu: imagine a 1802 valgrind
asciilifeform: you do it... with your hands
mircea_popescu: yeah, shiva must be this tall to pass.
asciilifeform: afaik there was never a compiler for it (you could trivially port sdcc etc. but... why)
asciilifeform: shivas only, yes.
mircea_popescu: mel1802
BingoBoingo: I am interested nao. How long until we get a foundry so we can make them fast?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo the reason they're 100 bucks a pop is ~ that nobody wants em
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: buy a bag of 5,000 FETs. that there's yer phoundry.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: actually there are plenty of folks who want. but they go to 'ebay' or 1,001 other places where they're a buck or so
mircea_popescu: aha.
asciilifeform: sorta like 'pogo'
asciilifeform: in that if you were to wish for a crate of 10,000 in one pop, there would be supply problems.
mircea_popescu: but with less baseline demand
BingoBoingo: Can a bag of FETs make one that's run bitcoind fast?
asciilifeform: thing lasts virtually forever. on account of the chemistry of the process, it laughed at power supply noise that would nuke any other cpu
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: fast enough to keep up with blocks? possibly
BingoBoingo: Interesting.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: you'd have to bake something which can address >64k though
BingoBoingo: Run bitcoind is the new definition of fast
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo it IS pretty much the baseline to distinguish computer from toy.
mircea_popescu: "if it can't sync it can't really be used seriously" makes a whole lotta sense.
asciilifeform: me, i just want something that'd sign a tx, while using no iron made after i was born
mircea_popescu: do you also want something that's warm and slippery while using no cells made after you were born ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 205887 @ 0.00035606 = 73.3081 BTC [-] {3}
asciilifeform: got one of these already
mircea_popescu: cells only last ~7 years you know.
asciilifeform: sure.
asciilifeform: speaking very loosely.
mircea_popescu: if you're speaking that loosely...
mircea_popescu: what are you even saying ?
asciilifeform still half asleep
nubbins`: hi
nubbins`: so i finally got my printer straightened out.
asciilifeform: it was bent ?
BingoBoingo: !b 2 ✂︎
assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/15HYF6W.txt )
nubbins`: heh. figuratively, yes
mircea_popescu: nubbins` you know i left you a ding in the logs while back, you ever got it ?
mircea_popescu: ;;tells
gribble: Error: "tells" is not a valid command.
nubbins`: ah yes the booky-wook
nubbins`: is this a serial we're talking about?
asciilifeform: 'Good luck with that buckeroo. Looking forward to your complete rewrite of the Broadcom NetXtreme II 10/100/Gigabit firmware, by the way. There are about 25 versions of this product, and they have 4-6 MIPS 64-bit cpus running different firmwares on them. Total size, around 260K. It's like a bunch of independent operating systems running on propriety hardware!' << this is endemic and getting worse by the minute
mircea_popescu: i was thinking ima publish episodes on trilema an' then the whole thing
jurov: nubbins` did not get it cuz he reads irc out of the printer
nubbins`: ah, an anthology as it were
nubbins`: jurov STFU
nubbins`: go ahead and try to delete a line from my log
nubbins`: you'll need scissors and tape
mircea_popescu: is your log also only made out of paper that was there before you were born ?
BingoBoingo: Or a zippo
jurov: fire will do
BingoBoingo: Or humidity and time
nubbins`: mircea_popescu i order so much paper that the UPS guy is starting to not like me
mircea_popescu: yeah, because that's the monkey logic, "shit, this guy makes it so that i have a job!!1"
nubbins`: anyway. soaked the printhead in ammonia overnight. reassembled everything... it says all 6 cartridges are missing.
mircea_popescu: im so fucking sick of proles.
nubbins`: try this a couple more times.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i like to pipe logs to thermal printer. (think 'cash register'). astonishingly fire-resistant, but does fade with time
nubbins`: turns out i was popping the fuckin ribbon out of the thing while inserting.
nubbins`: asciilifeform this is still a major use of dot matrix printers
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: That is a serious problem with thermal. Twas a pain lighting the losing tickets friday night.
nubbins`: wait now, your thermal paper is fire-resistant?
nubbins`: o.O
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: un minimo respeto por el trabajador! (TM) (R)
mircea_popescu: fire retarded more like it
nubbins`: ^
nubbins`: funny thing is, i figured it was a lost cause
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you're giving me spots on the spleen.
asciilifeform: nubbins`: aha. very annoying when burning otp
nubbins`: so i bought a replacement printer 30 minutes before i fixed the thing
asciilifeform: (what, not everyone prints one time pads on thermal paper ?)
nubbins`: then shrugged and decided not to cancel the order
nubbins`: because HEY
BingoBoingo: http://www.stltoday.com/business/local/to-land-syngenta-monsanto-offers-to-change-name-incorporate-in/article_da79bf37-0ccd-5dcd-aeb7-074e1e71fef1.html
assbot: To land Syngenta, Monsanto offers to change name, incorporate in U.K. : Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBUo7T )
nubbins`: why run two printers when you can run three?
mircea_popescu: which is good because it won't work anyway.
nubbins`: heh
nubbins`: mp actually these epsons are workhorses
nubbins`: 10/10 would/did buy again
asciilifeform: 'instead of printer, package contained bobcat. a++, would buy again' (tm)
nubbins`: haha
mircea_popescu: "her name was sheila"
mircea_popescu: "she was from odessa"
nubbins`: "but you can call her bob"
nubbins`: "she'll do things to your knob"
asciilifeform: https://xkcd.com/325
assbot: xkcd: A-Minus-Minus ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBUBb0 )
asciilifeform: ^ a little different from what i remembered
nubbins`: so were the 80s
nubbins`: also worth noting that a replacement print head was 50% the cost of a new printer
nubbins`: protip: if you can't service your printer yourself, buy a new one when it breaks
asciilifeform: nubbins`: was this that same printer where you ran a hose into the ink tank instead of swapping out cartridges ?
nubbins`: yes sir.
nubbins`: https://www.cobraink.com/CIS/CIS%20kits/1430%20kit/CIS%20Kit%201430.htm
assbot: .:: Cobra Ink Systems::. This is where the term CIS began ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBUQ5U )
nubbins`: ^ the old man who runs this company is a wizard
nubbins`: incredibly boring support videos but he knows the machines inside & out
asciilifeform used to do something quite like this with laser printer. it being, drill hole in cartridge, funnel, toner tanks from old xerox in office park dumpsters
asciilifeform: sorta worked
nubbins`: nod
nubbins`: i pay $25usd for 17oz of ink
asciilifeform: but eventually learned 1) toner comes in various granularities 2) is a real bitch to clean up, on account of 3) goes straight through a vacuum cleaner
mircea_popescu: the toner granularities thing is a fine example of biology in business.
mircea_popescu: the granules themselves are more or less engineered to clog competing heads.
asciilifeform: heads?!
asciilifeform: 'toner' in laser printer is pulverized plastic
asciilifeform: it is picked up by a rubber roller and deposited on selenium drum electrostatically
nubbins`: ^
nubbins`: inkjets have heads
nubbins`: and you should print with your printer at least once a week to keep them from drying out
asciilifeform: now, if 'wrong' granule size, or melting point, life of printer owner does become 'interesting'
mircea_popescu: whatever you call them
mircea_popescu: how do you call the "part which does the printing" in a printer ?
asciilifeform does not like liquid printers
nubbins`: mircea_popescu depends on the type of printer. in an inkjet it's a printhead
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the printing per se worked. but sometimes the plastic would come right off the page when you fondled it.
nubbins`: a laser printer is closer to a lithograph than anything else
nubbins`: https://www.dropbox.com/s/sux12zfhww2dyun/TEST-PAGE.svg?dl=0
assbot: Dropbox - TEST-PAGE.svg ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBVu3l )
nubbins`: ^ for a 6-tank printer like mine
nubbins`: asciilifeform my cost per page is prolly lower than yours
nubbins`: altho TBF
nubbins`: inkjets are way, waaaaaaaaaaay slower than laser
nubbins`: and given that i doubt you do much fine art printing...
asciilifeform like a fool, picked up a surplus colour laser printer a couplea weeks ago. twentybux or so
asciilifeform: it works, but leads to decadence 'hmm, this code ought to have syntax colouring, let's print that'
nubbins`: heh.
nubbins`: "toner low in following cartridges: C (cyan). Y (yellow). M (magenta)."
asciilifeform: and eventually will have to be thrown out and bought again - who wants to buy four colours of toner
nubbins`: i buy off-brand toner
nubbins`: 123inkcartridges.ca
nubbins` also runs two Brother laser printers: one b/w, one colour
asciilifeform: nubbins`: in the colour laser, the expensive proprietary crud is the 'transfer belt'
asciilifeform: for which no chinese version, afaik, exists
nubbins`: is that separate from the drum unit?
asciilifeform: aha
nubbins` has replaced 1 drum
asciilifeform: a kind of conveyor, page-width, made from unobtainium
mircea_popescu: it's just plastic!
nubbins`: oh, wait, right
nubbins`: mine's white.
mircea_popescu: :D
nubbins`: runs under all the drums?
asciilifeform: nubbins`: aha
nubbins`: those have a life?!
asciilifeform: nubbins`: turns out, they do.
nubbins`: wow
mircea_popescu: insert girder.
asciilifeform: hence how colour laser printer ends up sold 'per pound' as surplus scrap
nubbins` has published novels on his laser printers, no belt replacement
nubbins`: (yet)
asciilifeform: nubbins`: these are found only in colour laser
nubbins`: ah. i've only run maybe 10-15 books through the colour one
asciilifeform: nubbins`: does yours have the evil usg yellow dots ?
nubbins`: i slayed an $80 Brother monochrone laser
nubbins`: asciilifeform no idea / who cares
asciilifeform: http://seeingyellow.com ☟︎
assbot: Seeing Yellow ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBWbto )
nubbins`: heard of em
nubbins`: but i'd use the epson for copying currency anyway
nubbins`: (hypothetically)
asciilifeform: interesting mainly on account of 'usg gets to slip code blobs into consumer appliances' thing
nubbins`: SWIM hypothetically did this in their youth for a while
asciilifeform: l0l
asciilifeform: medieval counterfeiters, famously, got to drink molten lead (or sometimes, for showmanship, gold...) when caught. modern ones will one day be drowned in buckets of inkjet ?
nubbins`: imagine passing off some of this strange to a cashier, and while you're waiting for your food, guy behind you in line receives some as change
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 116300 @ 0.00035828 = 41.668 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: asciilifeform too expensive!
nubbins`: $5-8k/gallon
nubbins`: altho i guess they'd buy the bulk stuff huh.
asciilifeform: speaking of counterfeiters, i once read a fascinating bio paper where folks determined the actual cause of death of 'drink molten lead'
asciilifeform: by testing with cattle carcass
asciilifeform: turned out, it's almost certainly steam inhalation
asciilifeform: (from own flesh boiling)
asciilifeform: there were some good photos of resulting 'castings' also.
asciilifeform: i often wonder if any period 'castings' of this kind have been turned up by archaeologists.
kakobrekla: urlpls
asciilifeform unfortunately lacking the link. if anyone turns it up, plz post.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-06-2015#1157680 << wai wat. which prisoners ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 09-06-2015 03:49:45; decimation: the massive antibody response from usg against these escaped prisoners is amusing
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-06-2015#1157773 << hey, they did retrofit the price control mechanism (buterin's waterfall) from gold ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 09-06-2015 12:59:40; mircea_popescu: amusing how transparent the usg efforts of turning bitcoin into gold are, by the way. "oh, we don't want to kill bitcoin, honest, we just want to make it so we're the only ones that can safely hold it. you know... like gold..."
mircea_popescu: except that only works on idiots.
mircea_popescu: the "you can't hold it" thing works on everyone. huge difference.
mircea_popescu: which is why the incensed bitching.
asciilifeform: the waterfall also works on everyone. but is expensive to maintain, yes
mircea_popescu: no baby, iot does NOPT work on everyone.
mircea_popescu: soros' breaking of the bank of england should be the only example you might ever need.
mircea_popescu: i LOVE!!11 the fact that they're giving me free money this way
mircea_popescu: and i don't care how much of it comes out of the skins of idiots.
mircea_popescu: actually, i hope most of it does, and i hope it comes out of their corneas and their daughter's labia.
asciilifeform: well, on one hand, mircea_popescu gets to pick up cheap coin. but on other, can't buy spare reactor for dirigible for 1 btc
mircea_popescu: there ~IS~ a reason they switched from trying that to trying gavincoin last year.
asciilifeform: in as far as i can surmise, the 'dept. of accumulating btc for the lizard throne' and 'dept. of breaking btc because wtf 111' co-exist
mircea_popescu: now wonder along with me : WHY is it that shithead gavin is SO VERY FIRMLY CONVINCED this must be done "before the end of the year" ? hm ?
mircea_popescu: who and where told them "we're getting wiped, at the most last out another three, maaaaybe six months" ?
asciilifeform: the thing which boggles my mind is, why not yet
mircea_popescu: because reasons.
asciilifeform: what, precisely, keeps the schmuck from twiddling the constant -now-
mircea_popescu: always reasons. the fact that nothing's instantaneous in the physical world is the chief reason there may even be life in the first place.
mircea_popescu: think about a world where interaction were undelayed.
asciilifeform: what, the filipinos have to grunt out precisely 1GB of forum commentz ?
asciilifeform: 'time is for keeping all things from happening at once' (tm) (r)
mircea_popescu: what is it that makes the speed of chemical reaction be the speed of chemical reaction ?
mircea_popescu: what, the electrons have to spin 1billion times ?
asciilifeform: l0l
asciilifeform: (all things have inertial mass, is the proximate cause)
mircea_popescu: not even.
mircea_popescu: inertial mass is, much like the "centrifugal force", a matter of observer observing
asciilifeform: btw i fully expect to see the classical bitcoin net under organized crap flood in near future.
mircea_popescu: as in... last week ?
mircea_popescu: doh.
asciilifeform: (with gavincoin pushes as 'elixir' naturally)
mircea_popescu: kinda why the scoring nodes are important
asciilifeform: why do you suppose i took precious time to run the orphans experiment
mircea_popescu: aha.
nubbins`: how many times have i heard "there are only 6000 nodes"
nubbins`: people are gonna be really surprised some day
mircea_popescu: and the thing that keeps schmuck is, the thing that keeps all schmucks. fear.
asciilifeform: nubbins`: do you recall my experiment where we estimated how many living nodes ?
nubbins`: the experiment but not the results
asciilifeform: results were depressing
nubbins`: <6k
nubbins`: ?
asciilifeform: <60
nubbins`: :o
nubbins`: how'd bitnodes find so many?
asciilifeform: by counting turdation crud as 'node' ?
mircea_popescu: this of course is in the logs
asciilifeform: it is on therealbitcoin ml
mircea_popescu: nubbins` bitnodes is in the business of finding what it wants to find.
asciilifeform: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000046.html
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1FOz73n )
asciilifeform: and i think we had more on this in log, yes
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=03-02-2015#1004253 < ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 03-02-2015 16:17:03; mircea_popescu: and just 60 with 99.9% uptime.
asciilifeform: ^
nubbins`: right yeah
asciilifeform: https://github.com/basil00/PseudoNode << obligatory. also in log
assbot: basil00/PseudoNode · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1FOzmeO )
nubbins`: i remember being terrified at the time
mircea_popescu: and then you don't remember it going away.
nubbins` mumbles something about getting pogos running
mircea_popescu: why did it go away and why don't you remember it ?
mircea_popescu: human physiology, the stuff the memory hole effect's made of.
nubbins`: prolly a combination of poor memory and drug use
mircea_popescu: more like, the brain's not made for thinking anymore than bitnodes' is made to count nodes.
mircea_popescu: they're both made to make you feel good. ☟︎
asciilifeform: incidentally, i assume everyone remembers the usg-sponsored outfit publicly parading their net of sybils (based on 'pseudonode' or something entirely like it. student can write equivalent in an evening)
mircea_popescu: (the incidence of depression among idiots being for this reason the most amusing thing of all! seriously, YOU'RE depressed ? you don't even have enough of a fucking clue to be sad.)
nubbins`: did anyone ever muck about w/ a buildroot toolchain after?
nubbins`: or was i the only one barking up that tree
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-06-2015#1158085 << mega-l0l! i think mine was made to feel like shit ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 09-06-2015 14:19:57; mircea_popescu: they're both made to make you feel good.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu fwiw smart people do depression way better than idiots.
asciilifeform: so i sorta assumed it was for that.
mircea_popescu: obviously.
mircea_popescu: they actually have a right to it.
mircea_popescu: rather than pretending depression under false pretenses much like "ununderstood" adolescents pretend to be gay.
asciilifeform: nubbins`: i have buildroot working to my satisfaction. esp. after davout fixed the bug in mke2fs
asciilifeform: nubbins`: but now we need a fully uclibc-ized bitcoind
nubbins`: that's where i was stuck.
davout: asciilifeform: mazeltov
nubbins`: got buildroot built to my satisfaction, stalled up on actuall compiling bitcoind dependencies
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know, in all that story a release is required.
mircea_popescu: do we yet have something that people can put on pogo and run ?
asciilifeform: nubbins`: the next necessary step is the complete excision of dns from bitcoind
nubbins`: mircea_popescu i've had a statically built bitcoind for months now
nubbins`: i just can't re-create the build ;/
mircea_popescu: nubbins` exactly my point.
asciilifeform: nubbins`: once this is done, it will be theoretically possible to build uclibc-ized bitcoind
asciilifeform: and roll out buildroot+bitcoind buildatron
mircea_popescu: whichd be sweet.
nubbins`: actually, compiling boost w/ the buildroot toolchain is what had me stuck
asciilifeform: i have a months-old patch on the ml, which got lost among the nuts and bolts, that nukes dns seeds
mircea_popescu: pingin' ben_vulpes along with erryone else.
asciilifeform: but this leaves the idiot 'whatismyip' thing
asciilifeform: and a few other invocations
asciilifeform: these - need to go
nubbins`: i recall the discussion on that
nubbins`: i think we reached an impasse as to what was the proper way to find one's own ip and then other nodes
asciilifeform: nubbins`: there is a fallback in there - irc
nubbins`: right, yeah
nubbins`: imagine
asciilifeform: nubbins`: if we snip out the 'whatismyip' thing, that becomes the one and only turtle on which the elephants stand
mircea_popescu: nubbins` not exactly, config files.
nubbins`: fuck, right, yeah.
asciilifeform: and bitcoind will have to be given either a) own external ip, in config or b) ip of irc net to connect to
mircea_popescu: what sort of remembering is this!
nubbins`: text file sitting in the root dir
nubbins` gestures to the drugs
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that is the runner's problem.
mircea_popescu: and it is a correct solution.
mircea_popescu: the approach here is to breach enemy's reliability,
asciilifeform: this is probably when i confess that i have this sitting on my disk already
mircea_popescu: nothing more.
asciilifeform: needs to be cleaned up, tested, posted.
nubbins`: woo
asciilifeform: perhaps - this week's the time.
nubbins`: oh wow, i missed out on the eulora thing
asciilifeform actually considered buying a box on which eulora is playable
mircea_popescu: myeah
nubbins` does not "game"
mircea_popescu: why not ?
nubbins`: lack of interest
nubbins`: <--filthy casual
nubbins`: i'll kick your ass at mario kart 8 tho
mircea_popescu: i dun think you comprehend how much ass eulora kicks and will kick in the future.
asciilifeform bbl
mircea_popescu: but i'll tell you this much : im sick and tired of having to switch games.
mircea_popescu: so im going to make this one work and play it forever.
nubbins`: i've got a vague idea. why else would i take a 25btc stock warrant? ;p
mircea_popescu: lol
nubbins`: valid answers include "that time you used it to earn 1btc on bitbet"
mircea_popescu: haha what was that ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, you missed out a 1337 satoshi/day permabag by not coming to sunday's event.
mircea_popescu: but not to despair - another one this sunday.
nubbins`: https://bitbet.us/bet/791/s-mg-above-2x-par-on-october-1st-2014/
assbot: BitBet - S.MG above 2x par on October 1st, 2014 :: 1.18 B (8%) on Yes, 14.07 B (92%) on No | closed 8 months 1 week ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1FOBkfm )
nubbins`: oh, fun
BingoBoingo: Oh, other people catching on to the gawker model http://www.reaxxion.com/9508/gawker-writers-unionize-in-response-to-gamergates-bloody-nose
assbot: Gawker Writers Unionize In Response To #GamerGate’s Bloody Nose ... ( http://bit.ly/1FOBzH8 )
mircea_popescu: lol
nubbins`: woops
nubbins`: protip: listen when your computer says you're at 5% battery
mircea_popescu: because it usually lies
mircea_popescu: and it's 0.3%
nubbins`: next thing ya know a fan spins up and BAM
nubbins`: but anyway. maybe i'll get a chance to compile eulora on osx by sunday
nubbins`: BingoBoingo lel @ gawker and all affiliated sites in general
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nubbins`: from jezebel, for example: "The Katy Perry-Taylor Swift feud is undoubtedly the feud of our century"
nubbins`: undoubtedly.
nubbins`: there can be no doubt that in our century, this feud is number one
mircea_popescu: heh.
mircea_popescu: who are these two incidentally ?
nubbins`: who cares
nubbins`: pop stars
nubbins`: http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--ruTyZPcP--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/1288837417214035347.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1FODFXC )
nubbins`: perry is on the left with the epic troll face
mircea_popescu: http://www.celebjihad.com/celeb-jihad/taylor-swift-showing-off-flexibility-new-nude-photo ?
assbot: Taylor Swift Showing Off Her Flexibility In New Nude Photo ... ( http://bit.ly/1FODI5J )
mircea_popescu: in other news, http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/century-feud.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1FOEIqG )
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mircea_popescu: !gettrust heysteve
assbot: Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user heysteve: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 5 via 4 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=mircea_popescu&to=heysteve | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/heysteve/
ben_vulpes: <nubbins`> but anyway. maybe i'll get a chance to compile eulora on osx by sunday << if you figure out how lmk, i failed to do so miserably
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punkman: new ups lasted a whole hour, impressed
mircea_popescu: o.O
punkman: I shut down the monitors and went for a walk after 10-15min, so it was mostly just idle computar
pete_dushenski: qntsideration incoming !
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell BingoBoingo http://dpaste.com/00W44M1.txt
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1KZoqmi )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell cazalla http://dpaste.com/0VY2ECF.txt
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1KZoKBB )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
pete_dushenski: "Sex-Kitten.Net has been around nearly a decade, in one form or another. It was begun by me, Gracie Passette, as a place for women, by women, about women ~ not only to discuss sex, but certainly not avoiding it."
pete_dushenski: some spamsite via a contravex commenter.
pete_dushenski: "but certainly not avoiding the subject of sex even though no one said we were and even though that's the point of my derpy little spamblog !"
pete_dushenski: http://imgur.com/a/SKPmk << amazing the dedication of these kidz.
assbot: Huge crowd F1 Grand Prix Bitcoin booth - Album on Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1BWxP5N )
pete_dushenski: they just won't give up !
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pete_dushenski: i was in montreal for the gp last year and they were doing the exact same shtick
pete_dushenski: i would've bet a buck they'd have packed up and given up on their "komoonity centre" thing
pete_dushenski: guess it still has legs.
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pete_dushenski: whaddya know.
pete_dushenski: "Reigning world champion Hamilton finished 2.2 seconds clear of Rosberg at the end of 70 relatively-uneventful laps around Montreal's Circuit Gilles Villeneuve" << missed this over the weekend, i guess.
pete_dushenski: last year's race was comparatively showy : massive crash on last lap, 1st win for non-mercedes car as red bull's ricciardo took the chequered flag
pete_dushenski: this year i really can't be bothered to watch f1
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82122 @ 0.00037137 = 30.4976 BTC [+] {2}
pete_dushenski: it's almost entirely lost its appeal
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> pingin' ben_vulpes along with erryone else. << getting gentoo boxen for uclibc and cross-compilation's knocked mod6 and i on our asses
ben_vulpes: well, me for certain.
ben_vulpes: !up ascii_field
ben_vulpes: went to get a garbagebox from freegeek.org yesterday - "tuesday through saturday"
ascii_field: wats that
ben_vulpes: local sommolier
ascii_field: bought anything ?
ben_vulpes: shit-melier
ben_vulpes: trinque reported two thinkpads i wanted to acquire
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ben_vulpes: might be able to acquire a tower or something with an i5 to play eulora
ben_vulpes is rebuilding eulora from scratch. again.
ben_vulpes: unrelated: on the quakers, consensus and 'activism' in america: http://berkeleyjournal.org/2015/05/the-theology-of-consensus/
assbot: The Theology of Consensus | Berkeley Journal of Sociology ... ( http://bit.ly/1KZrZcf )
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: http://i.imgur.com/p7YVzlU.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1KZs7IJ )
ascii_field: ^ re: uranium mine
ascii_field: and yes, those are imperial 2.54mm headers soldered to metric 2mm dip
ben_vulpes: "The process favored those with the most time, as meetings tended to drag out for hours" "Some called it “feminist process,” for it seemed to embody feminist ideals of participation, inclusion, and egalitarianism. " << some derps sit around and derp while other people are making decisions and setting the wheels in motion. is it any wonder that the kochs always win and occupy always loses?
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: did you perchance ever go to 'occupy' ?
ascii_field did, and saw this alive
ascii_field: they would hold their circlejerk meetings and literally pause 'waiting for a female voice'
danielpbarron: i saw it in NYC on one of my field trips to see the marathon
ben_vulpes: neat pickaxe, ascii_field
danielpbarron: saw their human megaphone a.k.a. cultish chanting
ascii_field: 'mic check'
danielpbarron: yes that
ben_vulpes: ascii_field: did indeed!
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes the choice as to whether to sit by the pool and look pretty / sit by the oak desk and look stern was always open to everyone.
mircea_popescu: tis what it is.
ben_vulpes: was particularly amused that the one part of the park that worked - eg infrastructure team - partook of no such nonsense. had leadership that delegated.
ben_vulpes: evaporated quickly, though. nobody likes working for ungrateful derps - not even commie engineers.
mircea_popescu: soo... i just got an email from Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI)
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell pete_dushenski if your kids need mavis beacon, something's gone horribly wrong
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: usg-themed spam is sop for years now
ascii_field: but usually it's tax-flavoured
mircea_popescu: ikr ?
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: lol i don't disagree !
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/fbi.png
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1KZsXoN )
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: my guess it that it is mostly targeted at idiot expats. actual u.s. inmates know well that usg has not invented email yet.
mircea_popescu: heh
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: let's start a school
pete_dushenski: i'm in.
pete_dushenski: 1. teachers can physically discipline students
pete_dushenski: 2. students will learn to type on physical keyboards
pete_dushenski: 3. no touchscreens allowed on the premises
mircea_popescu: not swearing won't get you to heaven pete_dushenski
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: realize that this is not unlike the 'everyone will learn to write' thing from back in the day
pete_dushenski: 4. sexual education is to be taught in praxis, not just theory
ben_vulpes: teachers'll have to order parents to do so, as the thing of necessity'll have to run over teh wotnet
mircea_popescu: now that's an idea.
pete_dushenski: i'm not done...
pete_dushenski: 5. students will learn to think, then learn the alphabet, then learn to read
ben_vulpes: i also suspect that the initial stable of teachers will actually be the parents. nobody else is going to give a shit and la serenissima runs on deficits anyways.
mircea_popescu: "students will learn to fly then grow the wings most adequate to their preferred flight style"
ascii_field: ^^^^
mircea_popescu: "which will forthwith change as a result"
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes more importantly : why would you as a kid take a beating from someone you're not a in a sexual relationship with
pete_dushenski: 6. those not academically inclined will be pruned from academic studies at age 13 to pursue technical professions
mircea_popescu: romans had forbidden slaves (ie, teachers, more broadly, bureaucrats) beating their kids as a cornerstone of civility.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski what if they become inclined at 19 ?
jurov: how is this determined at 13?
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: then self-teach ? go back to school ?
pete_dushenski: jurov: tests.
mircea_popescu: what if they go back to school with a chip on their shoulder
mircea_popescu: and set your entire world ablaze ?
ben_vulpes: not a bad outcome.
mircea_popescu: the focus of this process should not be satisfaction of the designer
mircea_popescu: but moreover avoidance of the situation where you piss off the rightly powerful. ☟︎
jurov: there are tests for that?
mircea_popescu: shit on the powerless, that's what they're there for.
pete_dushenski: jurov: why not ?
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: how is "rightly" determined ?
mircea_popescu: why not is not a permissible question in this context.
mircea_popescu: rightly is determined by that they put your world ablaze.
jurov: pete_dushenski: because human mind?
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: visit jp, ru, cn, or - hell - us for that matter, to see how the 'tests' thing works out
ascii_field: in practice.
trinque: the right kids will want to learn
mircea_popescu: the concept of performance tests is not unlike the concept of postcard tourism.
trinque: I tend to think you have to beat that out of the intelligent if it's absent
mircea_popescu: "i've visited all the places my friends sent me cards from"
pete_dushenski: tests can be interviews, written exams, theatre performances...
trinque: and the wrong ones shouldn't be in the school
mircea_popescu: the only half decent approximation of a test would be, "either you go to school where each day for a year contains a beating, or else we kill you in six years".
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: try to grasp that 'perform on schedule' selects for certain kinds of human, not necessarily the ones you like.
mircea_popescu: kids can opt whether to die young and leave a beautiful corpse much before any serious effort was spent on them
pete_dushenski: ascii_field: i'm perfectly aware. i wasn't the cram-exam type myself !
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: kids can opt this for themselves ? not too young ?
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: you're approximately describing 19th c. ru military academy. except there you get beatings + death in six years
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski apparently they're not too young to live and breathe.
pete_dushenski: neither is 1-day-old
mircea_popescu: quite.
mircea_popescu: the notion that there's insulation from choice...
mircea_popescu: some kids decide to grow spina bifida, how are you gonna help them improve their choices ?
pete_dushenski: with tests !
mircea_popescu: o i know, put folic acid in everyone' flour
mircea_popescu: and tests
mircea_popescu: yes yes.
ascii_field: it boggles my mind to see folks arguing for -more- perform-on-schedule-like-dancing-bear in child-herding
mircea_popescu: ascii_field the problem of child-herding, so far unresolved, is that women care too much and men don't understand wtf is in the box. ☟︎
ben_vulpes: eh give him a break - the canuks get all their ideas from their southern protector
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: lol not true ! i read books and things too.
ascii_field: we already know the kind of people 'star pupils' grow up to be
mircea_popescu: so all that can conceivably be done is protection and tests.
pete_dushenski: actually reading ascii_field recommended "chinese examination" book atm.
pete_dushenski: ascii_field: concert pianists ?
mircea_popescu: ascii_field re the perform on call thing : it definitely selects for the sort of woman you like.
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: aha. see also mircea_popescu's essay on 'grinding men into spherical ball bearings'
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: this is an excellent point.
mircea_popescu: !up ascii_field
pete_dushenski: damn it, just when we're getting rolling, meatspace beckons. later y'all !
pete_dushenski looks forward to suggestions for "ben+pete's magickal skool for kidz who can mebbe not suck" in the logs
trinque: give 'em things to build that don't suck.
trinque: and force them to interact with people who are intimidatingly accomplished
ben_vulpes: make 'em do math and physics by hand and computer
trinque: and boot everyone that after that still sucks.
ben_vulpes: latin, french
ben_vulpes: read the bible three times, numbers in particular.
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: pretty much everyone i know who's worth talking to became the way he is -in spite of-, rather than with the aid of, school.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field school certainly aided me.
ascii_field: how ?
ben_vulpes: 'tisn't so much school, ascii_field, as a hedge against further retardifying the spawn
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: yes, they teach ya green's theorem, etc.
ascii_field: but could also learn this from book
mircea_popescu: by consistently sucking my cock throughout my formative years
ascii_field: l0l
ascii_field: 'the microscope aided me. best hammer.'
mircea_popescu: and then supplying a ready stable of eager sluts to get the ball started
mircea_popescu: hey, what can i tell ya.
mircea_popescu: it didn't come with instructions on the box.
ascii_field: http://cryptome.org/2015/06/guccifer-letter-01.htm << mega-lulziez
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1KZvejX )
mircea_popescu: mateirosca.com << win
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell nubbins` didja ever get past the eulora new account screen?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
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ascii_field: '(dev-lang/perl-5.20.2:0/5.20::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge) conflicts with ...' followed by ten pages of barf
ascii_field wants to roast someone, slowly
jurov: yea i remember that, they reorganized it
ascii_field: i'd like to reorganize their insides.
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jurov: https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-1010432-start-25-postdays-0-postorder-asc-highlight-.html
assbot: Gentoo Forums :: View topic - Slot conflict dev-lang/perl-5.20.1-r4 and dev-lang/perl-5.18 ... ( http://bit.ly/1BWJ1zl )
jurov: generally, perl-cleaner
ascii_field: tried that
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: 'Why is Perl so F***ing special that it gets its own utility for un-f***ing it every time I need to update my system? Why does gentoo use perl at all for anything? In my sight its a disgusting useless barnacle of a write only language and this dependency stuff just makes me not want to touch it, ever, if I did suffer from temporary dementia and considered using it in one of my projects. We don't need a python-cleaner or
ascii_field: C++-cleaner.'
ascii_field: (from forum)
mircea_popescu: we don't need a c++ cleanner ?
mircea_popescu: how long have i been asleep ?
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: cpp doesn't exist, to a first approximation, on a well-maintained unix box
ascii_field: bitcoind is the thorn in everybody's side in this respect
mircea_popescu: oh ok. so i didn't hallucinate valgrind igperf etcv
mircea_popescu: got worried for a minute there
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: the 'cleaner' in question was a util that is meant to clean up the explosion of blood and guts which results in perl upgrading on a gentoo box
ascii_field: and the crud built with previous versions dying en masse
mircea_popescu: unlike the profilers.
ascii_field: not really related except in the sense that the hose in a mortician's workshop is related to surgeon's endoscope
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: btw i regard valgrind, igprof, etc. as 'c cleaners' rather than cpp. they only kinda, sorta work on cpp
mircea_popescu: because it never happened that if one "upgrades" suddenly c++ code stops working
ascii_field: cpp is really a 'crime against nature' to the extent that nothing really can process the barf it produces
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ascii_field: mircea_popescu: the directly analogous c/cpp item you were likely thinking of is (on gentoo) 'revdep-rebuild'
jurov: and there is python-updater
jurov: (better named)
jurov: and haskell-updater, too
ascii_field: ^ especially lulzy
ben_vulpes: cabal install cabal-install
mod6: heh, i built valgrind on deb6 lastnight as well. didn't work with bitcoind either statically built, or dynamically. might have to give this a try tonight on the gentoo aws instance.
ben_vulpes tried haskell once, irreperably borked the install, never touched it again. will never trust its advocates claims re: "bug free cuz static static really static awesome type system ftw"
ben_vulpes: but i suppose that i just don't understand how the (c, unix, haskell, programmering) world actually works
trinque: jurov: I've totally fucked up my python install several times on gentoo, having to re-emerge python-exec, wtf ever that is
trinque: gentoo has this crazy indirection between the various python versions (is I suspect the culprit, don't care enough to delve futher)
jurov: yeah, since you're supposed to have 2 versions plus pypy plus whatnot working alongside something is bound to break
ben_vulpes: just say no to python 3
trinque: PYTHON_SINGLE_TARGET="python2_7" # ftw
jurov: i'm fine with py3k, if you get acclimatized it's actually easy to write stuff compatible with both
jurov: but i'm software maggot, can eat anything
trinque: heh
trinque: yeah, I suppose you can write against that six module right?
trinque is bailing from python as he can find excuse to
jurov: agains what?
trinque: jurov: https://pypi.python.org/pypi/six
assbot: six 1.9.0 : Python Package Index ... ( http://bit.ly/1KngqKL )
jurov: oh, that. no, not needed it yet
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danielpbarron: >> #534 in queue. << archive.is is getting spammed now?
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shinohai: Meth, hell of a drug: http://np.reddit.com/r/DarkNetMarkets/comments/330c0u/bailey_jay_is_le_proof_inside_woops_i_made_a/ ☟︎
assbot: bailey jay is LE (proof inside woops i made a bailey jay blog post) : DarkNetMarkets ... ( http://bit.ly/1F6F8Yw )
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron i am unsurprised.
mircea_popescu: except i just tried it and it went straight in
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mircea_popescu: http://cryptome.org/2015/06/guccifer-letter-01.htm << fwiw, the style of that production is exactly the "pov derpage" fashionable among the unemployed writers/table waiters of the day, whereas linguistic profile radically unbefitting a 40yo unemployed cab driver in bucharest
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1KZvejX )
mircea_popescu: but what do i know.
mats: http://i.imgur.com/Fvj8erB.png
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1F6HnLv )
mats: oops, wrong one https://twitter.com/afreak/status/608321989900648448
mats: DMCA flags on... an iframe.
mircea_popescu: looks like airtel didn't want the news of their fraud public ?
mats: yes
mats: that letter is difficult to read
mats: so much pretension
mircea_popescu: http://www.mateirosca.com/prose/no-lands-man-or-how-not-to-do-an-election/ << more of the same, if you care.
assbot: No Land’s Man or How Not to Do an Election | ... ( http://bit.ly/1KnwhsD )
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mircea_popescu: !up goregrind
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: mats: https://archive.today/DVUie/005600bd57722743501a43c767b6ef8aadc48535.png << saved
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1KnxCzw )
ascii_field: http://tech.firstpost.com/news-analysis/more-trouble-for-airtel-injects-javascript-code-to-monitor-data-usage-activist-receives-notice-270111.html << details of the dmca barratry
assbot: More trouble for Airtel: Injects JavaScript code to monitor data usage; activist receives notice - Tech2 ... ( http://bit.ly/1KnxAaV )
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mircea_popescu: http://www.mateirosca.com/prose/the-medianett-saga-adventures-in-mercenary-churnalism/ << and here's a (very naive) story from the agitprop mines
assbot: The Medianett saga: adventures in mercenary churnalism | ... ( http://bit.ly/1KnyhRz )
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lobbes is new to this cron job stuff.. surprised to find the -only- way to see errors is to email them to yourself (i.e cannot write to local log)?
lobbes: seems... dumb
trinque: lobbes: logs to syslog
trinque: I guess depending on the cron jobber; there are quite a few of them
lobbes: hmm that may be it
lobbes: checked syslog, but the error prompted me to install an MTA
lobbes: no specifics on the actual error.
lobbes shrug
trinque: lobbes: could've just been that the thing had output, not necessarily an error
trinque: and then blew up trying to tell ya
fluffypony: lobbes
fluffypony: you can just have a cronjob that does something like
fluffypony: command --flag --flag2 --blah blah@blah 2> /var/log/yourlogfile.log
fluffypony: or whatever
trinque: yup that too
fluffypony: the 2> will pipe both STDOUT and STDERR
lobbes: aha
lobbes: interesting
fluffypony: I normally pipe STDERR to /dev/null because I don't need no steenking errors
fluffypony: and then get very frustrated when shit isn't working and I can't debug it
fluffypony: because logic
lobbes: haha
mircea_popescu: i heard this before
trinque: thought 2 was stderr only
fluffypony: trinque: depends on shell and OS
trinque: ah, k
fluffypony: I think on OS X / FreeBSD you need 2&1>
trinque: that's what I was thinking of, yep
trinque: 2>&1 > /your/thing.log
trinque: redirects stderr to stdout, then stdout to the log
lobbes: sweet though, this gives me stuff to work with. thanks everyone
lobbes: I always overlook the power of piping
mircea_popescu: it's so great it's easy to overlook
trinque: I used /dev/tcp magic making that gentoo image for mod6 the other day
trinque: pretty neat
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mircea_popescu: in other news, http://33.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9kjkkMxn51rtlyn9o1_500.gif
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1QmsKQf )
shinohai saves mircea_popescu 's image for FapBot
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shinohai: OMG we have TO PAY FOR NICE THINGS! http://redd.it/39694x
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ben_vulpes: old story, shinohai
shinohai: It stiil boggles my mind whenever I see it.
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mats: https://soundcloud.com/futureclassic/panama-jungle
assbot: Panama - Jungle by future classic | Free Listening on SoundCloud ... ( http://bit.ly/1T9YQO3 )
mircea_popescu: !up copumpkin
mircea_popescu: !up copypaste
mats: http://saw.galois.com
assbot: SAW ... ( http://bit.ly/1cKh334 )
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mircea_popescu: !up referredbyloper
mats: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sIYgqrytPK-CFWfqDntraA_Fwi2Ov-YBgMtl5hdrYd4 << 'Escaping VMWare Workstation Through COM1'
assbot: Escaping VMware Workstation through COM1 - Google Docs ... ( http://bit.ly/1JDoibD )
mircea_popescu: !up GcardBTC
GcardBTC: I have some amazon giftcard for sale. Accepting crypto. Send me an email and we can work something out.
asciilifeform: mats: iirc that is one of the lulzfarms that attempts to fuck with bitcoin net for usg
asciilifeform: mats: and 'formally proven' properties of generic c - what a lol
mats: yup
mats: exactly that galois
asciilifeform: i forget if this was public or not
asciilifeform: guess it is now.
asciilifeform: 'vprintproxy.exe is launched on the Host by vmware-vmx.exe as whichever user started VMware. vmware-vmx.exe and vprintproxy.exe communicate through named pipes. When writing to COM1 in the Guest, the packets will eventually end up in vprintproxy.exe for processing.' <<<< run moar winblows!! (tm)
asciilifeform: 'The program performs unsafe 32-bit arithmetic, leading to an invalid size check prior to a memcpy() operation, leading to a heap overflow.' << can we plz haz shitgnomes playing 'underhanded c contest' prior to employment? these old idiocies are getting - well - old.
asciilifeform: 'When extracting a TrueType font from the EMFSPOOL file, TPView.dll will verify the checksum of the font prior to further processing. To do so, it will walk the tables, zero out the padding at the end of a table and checksum the table. In doing so, it will trust the ‘offset’ field of the table record and add it to a pointer to the font buffer. While there is a check to make sure that we don’t go past the end of the font,
asciilifeform: nothing prevents us from referencing and zeroing memory prior to the font, as the 32-bit arithmetic will wrap.' << ditto
asciilifeform: 'Also the JPEG2000 parsing is done within a try-catch that catches all exception. This would allow an attacker to bruteforce his/her way to successful exploitation as the vprintproxy.exe would stay alive even through access violations.' << ahahahahaha.
asciilifeform: yeah 'bug' sure.
asciilifeform: 'cosmic rays' did this.
scoopbot_revived: Exodus from Wall Street: HSBC lays off 50,000 employees http://qntra.net/2015/06/exodus-from-wall-street-hsbc-lays-off-50000-employees/
asciilifeform: 'Identified mitigations. Load your Nagant, place in mouth, pull trigger.'
asciilifeform: ^ not in document, but suggested fix.
mats: lol
jurov: http://www.smh.com.au/it-pro/security-it/dangerous-minds-are-maths-teachers-australias-newest-threat-20150608-ghira9
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jurov: "You will be coming to us and we will be working with you," a DECO officer recently explained to academics. "When your ideas aren't necessarily that formed, it may be that we say to you, 'Look, at the moment we don't see any concern, come back to us at a further stage'." ☟︎☟︎
mats: fun fact: You can resolve kernel module addresses on Windows by looking at the session image list, which is linked to from a fixed VA.
pete_dushenski: how is it that block 360213 was mined before 360212 ?
punkman: timestamps can be wrong
pete_dushenski: ah, just rough approximations then ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 165500 @ 0.00034369 = 56.8807 BTC [-]
pete_dushenski: 2 minutes seemed like a large gap.
punkman: yeah block number is where it's at
trinque: jurov: totalitarians going for broke eh?
pete_dushenski: punkman makes sense.
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BingoBoingo: <shinohai> OMG we have TO PAY FOR NICE THINGS! << The last sorta decent Multibit happened between 0.5.11 and 0.5.13
shinohai: I don't personally use it, I just love those posts where they bitch about paying for things.
trinque: shinohai: the internet is free comrade.
shinohai: Free sure, but if I tell that to my ISP they likely will disconnect my service. xD
shinohai: There *is* good free stuff online, I just don't expect it all to be free.
trinque: nah, none of it should be free
trinque: largest machine on earth if you consider it as such... and people think it should cost nothing