trinque: decimation: schizophrenic goes it alone, creates a system far lispier than this gentoo mess I live in
decimation: well, the idea of executing everything in 'ring 0' is appealing to me
trinque: Every piece of code in TempleOS (except the initial kernel/compiler) is JIT compiled on demand. Yes that’s right – you can run a program without compiling it, simply by using an #include statement from the command line. << I believe this is one of asciilifeform's desirable system features
decimation: the concept of partitioning security zones on a 'c machine' is an excercise in sophistry
trinque: "TempleOS is a motorbike. If you lean over too far, you’ll fall off. Don’t do that." << this guy's awesome.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60134 @ 0.00035592 = 21.4029 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: Alex Payne, who helped build Twitter, returns to Portland as tech mentor and vegan restaurateur | OregonLive.com ... (
http://bit.ly/1eZ7oaH )
decimation: "While much of Silicon Valley grew enamored of the digital currency Bitcoin as a libertarian alternative to central banks, Payne began consulting with the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, a new federal agency created at the urging of liberal lion Elizabeth Warren."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 171150 @ 0.00036788 = 62.9627 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: and wtf is a "liberal lion" and wtf, warren's roughly speaking a shop clerk. what lion./
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17600 @ 0.00036819 = 6.4801 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: Jail Doctors Made Man Impotent by Failing to Treat 6-Day Erection: Lawsuit - Civic Center - DNAinfo.com New York ... (
http://bit.ly/1AYGPMP )
trinque: god this payne guy is exactly what's wrong with portland
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trinque: fucking communist that took his stumbling into wealth as a sign that being a communist is right (what.. the fuck?), that businesses which something something social good are going to succeed, that the financial considerations are not essential to business but evil!
trinque: at least if he had the spine to be a proper communist I'd have a shred more respect
mats: this place breeds contempt
trinque: mats: actually I produce my own home-grown, free range contempt
mircea_popescu: well trinque... it worked when random ho was telling all the lazy schoolage hos about how the path to oprah richdom is not in school.
trinque was raised by stern white men who said "do useful work, improve yourself, don't be a fucking fool"
trinque: seems that all evaporated in the US
ben_vulpes: whadday'all use for desktop environments, if any? i've inserted ubuntu into this mac and now need to make it usable
trinque: ben_vulpes: for who? yourself?
ben_vulpes: should i skip the desktop environment?
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: XFCE is prolly the best stating out option
trinque: could always copy your stump over
trinque: yeah xfce's lightweight, the various *box (openbox, fluxbox) ones are also very lightweight
ben_vulpes: is teh desktop environment even strictly speaking necessary?
trinque: my setup is xdm and stumpwm
trinque: BingoBoingo: xdm will read a file called .xsession in your home dir to launch whatever you want
trinque: bash script in there with: exec /your/wm/binary
BingoBoingo: trinque: Yeah, that's pretty much the standard for setting up anything.
Pierre_Rochard: it’s out of the sling, starting physical therapy tomorrow
Pierre_Rochard: this will be a different role though, I’ll be working with institutional investors to move their accounting from spreadsheets and PDFs to SQL databases
trinque: Pierre_Rochard: sounds like a vast improvement :p
trinque shudders to think of some of the worst abuses of excel spreadsheets he's seen
Pierre_Rochard: trinque: agreed, great role to hone my python skills in
ben_vulpes: Pierre_Rochard: get intimate with the sql
ben_vulpes: trinque likes to bang on about how it was designed as an end-user-programming environment for accountants
trinque: all the questions any account will ever want to ask are able to be expressed as SQL
trinque: worth considering how close you may be able to get the accountant to writing the queries themselves
trinque put a great deal of effort into that problem, only to conclude that one should learn to write the damn query directly
Pierre_Rochard: agreed, though I do lean on sqlalchemy a lot, I can write raw sql
Pierre_Rochard: I’d like to just go straight to pl/pgsql at some point
trinque: staying too cozy in python, you'll probably end up reinventing things the db can do better
trinque: consider for example the difference between using a python ORM and raw SQL for an aggregate over some column
trinque: most ORMs would load the whole damn row into an "object" whatever that is, load all the objects into a list, then iterate over that duplicated set of data and barf out the aggregate
☟︎ mircea_popescu: <Pierre_Rochard> this will be a different role though, I’ll be working with institutional investors to move their accounting from spreadsheets and PDFs to SQL databases <<< the virgin goddess weeps.
assbot: Logged on 08-06-2015 23:57:30; decimation: asciilifeform: the intel cards were hardly high performance
Pierre_Rochard: trinque: I made that mistake with the first version of pacioli with datetime logic, I’ve pushed all of that logic onto postgres now
trinque: Pierre_Rochard: that said I am under the suspicion that this kind of programming can also be done with CLOS in common lisp
trinque: though I'm not sure yet what that looks like
mats: >Russian Dies After Eating [Parts of] Tablet Computer to Avoid Police Detention
trinque: I guess franz, inc has some sort of database over CLOS objects
trinque: every program I've ever been paid to write was just a glorified db editor
trinque: still looking for the perfect set of tools for that
trinque: pays just fine, why would I/
trinque: I'm under the delusion that I can make suffciently general tools the jobs don't take that long
ben_vulpes: i'm going to beg a copy of trinque's tools and go murder parts of the economy he's not
trinque: right, that's the fun part
mircea_popescu: im too busy fucking digging up boulders for crying out loud
mircea_popescu: this is all i ever dreamed of - a mmorpg where i know the owner so all the stupid shit can be shot in the head
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 333843 @ 0.00034431 = 114.9455 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu is kinda curious whether anyone ever manages to reverse the magic i put into this thing
mircea_popescu: it is after all the one problem of the clockwork puzzle. how to make one ?
mircea_popescu: in other news, there's 3x as many people reading trilema off a sony playstation than nintendo wii
trinque: wii's got opera on it, dunno bout ps
trinque: on the wii you use a mickey mouse finger and your self respect
trinque: I guess the ps browser might be opera too
mircea_popescu: Mr Warren BuffettMon, 4:48 am 4.5 KiB$5 MILLION USD DONATION FROM MR WARREN BUFFETT
mircea_popescu: "I like to re-assure you of the legitimacy of this services as we will not be involved in any fraudulent act and will never be. use the money wisely, we only want to feel good by helping people this time of the year, this is the only thing that makes my wife happy too even now that she is not here with me anymore, we have too much to give away as I only have few months left on earth."
mircea_popescu: apparently one doesn't need to master english to catch the run-on sentences disease.
trinque: well shit I can't argue with pleasing his dead wife
trinque: where do I wire the funds?
mircea_popescu: fun fact : search for barren muffett -> Quizás quisiste decir: warren buffett
mircea_popescu: oh and also : susan (who died like a decade ago) was into "population control"
☟︎ assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 124850 @ 0.00034191 = 42.6875 BTC [-] {2}
trinque: I'm sure for humanitarian reasons.
mircea_popescu: speaking of trios, she actually left the guy to be a cabaret dancer in the 70s,
mats: did he inspire you to do the same
decimation: although all the matrox boards I have used recently were shit
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7740 @ 0.00034833 = 2.6961 BTC [+]
decimation: I bet the girl in the bathtub would have wished that her charger came with a $0.01 fuse
☟︎ trinque: how in the fuck is github worth anything let alone 750mil
☟︎ trinque: well hell, the currency's not worth anything anymore, maybe they are
decimation: amusingly even modern x86 servers still come with matrox cards
decimation: asciilifeform: they come on both dell & hp rack servers
assbot: Logged on 09-06-2015 02:49:54; decimation: I bet the girl in the bathtub would have wished that her charger came with a $0.01 fuse
decimation: well, depends on the exact nature of the shock
decimation: most shit chinese transformers I've come across are direct shorts to neutral
trinque: "Development work on Elephant been limited since 2009 and support not complete for the latest versions of SBCL and ClozureCL. It hasn't been tested at all with recent Allegro and Lispworks releases." << must be near the end of the most recent lisp cycle
decimation: but yes, a gfi would have helped too. are they not standard in ru?
decimation: not because building to standards is dumb, but because it inevitably turns into a racket
decimation: asciilifeform: what I don't get about the 'orc' world is: why not learn to fix shit like that yourself?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 148732 @ 0.00034091 = 50.7042 BTC [-] {3}
trinque: I tend to be amazed by guys my age that don't own *any* tools
trinque: at the amazement or the lack of tools
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah the 'low flow' toilets are bullshit
decimation: but isn't the flow limited by ceramic plumbing?
trinque: yeah mine's got that adjuster on the arm you can diddle a bit
assbot: Logged on 09-06-2015 02:25:31; mircea_popescu: oh and also : susan (who died like a decade ago) was into "population control"
mircea_popescu: but the idea that random derps are getting 5mn from wb because susan'd have wanted it...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49550 @ 0.00034017 = 16.8554 BTC [-]
decimation: population control was pretty fashionable amoung 70's liberals
decimation: asciilifeform: your history of x86 link was interesting
decimation: asciilifeform: how much does that space qualified ancient cpu cost?
decimation: apparently the 'new cool kids' couldn't be bothered to write decent software or use rad hard cpu
decimation: yeah I'm sure he didn't use space qualified
decimation: if I were launching a satellite I would sure as hell rather have time-proven parts
decimation: at least for the command/control peices
decimation: write in forth if assembly is too much
decimation: maybe intel will get around to releasing a cpu that uses cores for error checking rather than extra derpage
decimation: asciilifeform: did you see that nxp bought freescale
decimation: asciilifeform: actually what's amusing is that usg has many similar competing departments
decimation: none of them make stuff themselves though
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65000 @ 0.0003431 = 22.3015 BTC [+]
decimation: actually germany has a somewhat independent chip manufacturing plants
decimation: somehow they don't produce different designs though
decimation: heh yeah ddr was the silicon valley of su
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35200 @ 0.0003431 = 12.0771 BTC [+]
decimation: the massive antibody response from usg against these escaped prisoners is amusing
☟︎ decimation: every weekend in baltimore several people catch a bullet, nobody gives a shit
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 403050 @ 0.00036975 = 149.0277 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74250 @ 0.00036759 = 27.2936 BTC [-]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 146000 @ 0.00037311 = 54.4741 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 138200 @ 0.00036427 = 50.3421 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89253 @ 0.00036723 = 32.7764 BTC [+]
vexual: whats greece liek for the man on the street now?
vexual: i imagine everyones calm until one cunt throws an orange
punkman: I wouldn't know, looks like business as usual from my pov
vexual: no paycut for punkman eh?
punkman: I imagine things are more tense in Athens, but haven't been in that shithole for a while now
punkman: punkman doesn't do business in Greece
gribble: Current Blocks: 360123 | Current Difficulty: 4.758959115362501E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 360863 | Next Difficulty In: 740 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 13 hours, 37 minutes, and 46 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 49249529780.3 | Estimated Percent Change: 3.48803
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47626 @ 0.00037375 = 17.8002 BTC [+] {2}
vexual: 24 moons either way im prolly right
punkman: that's 3 percent in difficulty not hashes
vexual: how much hash does it take to move it 3pc
vexual: the consesnus is a guess at the hash
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68700 @ 0.00037383 = 25.6821 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72500 @ 0.00037398 = 27.1136 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23900 @ 0.00037456 = 8.952 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 154250 @ 0.00037507 = 57.8545 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: shinohai: What's the tldr; on the context?
shinohai: tl;dr If you need "another project" to work, join #b-a!
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 230.58, Best ask: 230.59, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 230.59, 24 hour volume: 28639.34531439, 24 hour low: 225.07, 24 hour high: 232.07, 24 hour vwap: None
gribble: Current Blocks: 360129 | Current Difficulty: 4.758959115362501E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 360863 | Next Difficulty In: 734 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 12 hours, 4 minutes, and 25 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 49250775280.4 | Estimated Percent Change: 3.49065
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29970 @ 0.00036723 = 11.0059 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73308 @ 0.00035592 = 26.0918 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50792 @ 0.0003539 = 17.9753 BTC [-]
assbot: Logged on 09-06-2015 02:53:51; trinque: how in the fuck is github worth anything let alone 750mil
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10982 @ 0.0003539 = 3.8865 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90790 @ 0.0003583 = 32.5301 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58915 @ 0.00036457 = 21.4786 BTC [+]
funkenstein_: if there really are "many ways to discover the private keys", then there are necessarily many ways to discover the message sent, no matter how it was encrypted and keys distributed
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 111168 @ 0.00037062 = 41.2011 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: there existed an "official" one, MMN80CPU and a number of unofficial clones made in small runs and mostly clandestinely. (most of ex-soviet bloc economy in the early 90s consisted of "anyone who is clever enough to use this nobody's fixed capital - welcome to do so for the cost of the consumables")
☟︎ mircea_popescu: iirc the yugos had even more , but i don't recall specifics
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 147700 @ 0.00035899 = 53.0228 BTC [-]
assbot: Logged on 09-06-2015 03:34:02; asciilifeform: intel can build a machine for transforming lead into gold, i still won't buy it.
mircea_popescu: amusing how transparent the usg efforts of turning bitcoin into gold are, by the way. "oh, we don't want to kill bitcoin, honest, we just want to make it so we're the only ones that can safely hold it. you know... like gold..."
☟︎ mircea_popescu: the population of the world barn stood for it once, "monopoly on violence" and all that bull, why shouldn't it work again ???
assbot: Logged on 09-06-2015 03:36:59; asciilifeform: it is interesting to contemplate how many of the traditional nato stereotypes of soviet industry were not only false, but apply to nato wholly and not at all to sov
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 116000 @ 0.00035814 = 41.5442 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: curl: (35) Unknown SSL protocol error in connection to www.blockstream.com:443
☟︎ mircea_popescu: but anyway, For additional background on Blockstream’s founding values, read “Blockstream: A Champion of Bitcoin’s Core Values.” ?! "press@blockstream.com" ?!
assbot: Logged on 09-06-2015 11:31:45; funkenstein_: looks to me like pure theatre
mircea_popescu: i will also observe that s.mg launches much awaited bitcoin's mmorpg, usg.agitprop is silent ; "blockstream" launches "much awaited" (by whom ?) nothing at all, the wsj seems compelled to write it up within the hour.
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 09-06-2015 01:55:55; trinque: most ORMs would load the whole damn row into an "object" whatever that is, load all the objects into a list, then iterate over that duplicated set of data and barf out the aggregate
assbot: Logged on 09-06-2015 12:21:50; mircea_popescu: there existed an "official" one, MMN80CPU and a number of unofficial clones made in small runs and mostly clandestinely. (most of ex-soviet bloc economy in the early 90s consisted of "anyone who is clever enough to use this nobody's fixed capital - welcome to do so for the cost of the consumables")
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 143800 @ 0.00036461 = 52.4309 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know, i dun think romania actually ever made that.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but seriously, "efficiency" aside, i have nfi how one'd program for a processor that allows random switching in and out of the process counter / memory counter etc.
BingoBoingo: I am interested nao. How long until we get a foundry so we can make them fast?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo the reason they're 100 bucks a pop is ~ that nobody wants em
BingoBoingo: Can a bag of FETs make one that's run bitcoind fast?
BingoBoingo: Run bitcoind is the new definition of fast
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo it IS pretty much the baseline to distinguish computer from toy.
mircea_popescu: "if it can't sync it can't really be used seriously" makes a whole lotta sense.
mircea_popescu: do you also want something that's warm and slippery while using no cells made after you were born ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 205887 @ 0.00035606 = 73.3081 BTC [-] {3}
nubbins`: so i finally got my printer straightened out.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` you know i left you a ding in the logs while back, you ever got it ?
gribble: Error: "tells" is not a valid command.
nubbins`: is this a serial we're talking about?
mircea_popescu: i was thinking ima publish episodes on trilema an' then the whole thing
jurov: nubbins` did not get it cuz he reads irc out of the printer
nubbins`: go ahead and try to delete a line from my log
mircea_popescu: is your log also only made out of paper that was there before you were born ?
nubbins`: mircea_popescu i order so much paper that the UPS guy is starting to not like me
mircea_popescu: yeah, because that's the monkey logic, "shit, this guy makes it so that i have a job!!1"
nubbins`: anyway. soaked the printhead in ammonia overnight. reassembled everything... it says all 6 cartridges are missing.
nubbins`: turns out i was popping the fuckin ribbon out of the thing while inserting.
nubbins`: asciilifeform this is still a major use of dot matrix printers
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: That is a serious problem with thermal. Twas a pain lighting the losing tickets friday night.
nubbins`: wait now, your thermal paper is fire-resistant?
nubbins`: funny thing is, i figured it was a lost cause
nubbins`: so i bought a replacement printer 30 minutes before i fixed the thing
nubbins`: then shrugged and decided not to cancel the order
nubbins`: why run two printers when you can run three?
nubbins`: mp actually these epsons are workhorses
nubbins`: "she'll do things to your knob"
nubbins`: also worth noting that a replacement print head was 50% the cost of a new printer
nubbins`: protip: if you can't service your printer yourself, buy a new one when it breaks
nubbins`: ^ the old man who runs this company is a wizard
nubbins`: incredibly boring support videos but he knows the machines inside & out
mircea_popescu: the toner granularities thing is a fine example of biology in business.
mircea_popescu: the granules themselves are more or less engineered to clog competing heads.
nubbins`: and you should print with your printer at least once a week to keep them from drying out
mircea_popescu: how do you call the "part which does the printing" in a printer ?
nubbins`: mircea_popescu depends on the type of printer. in an inkjet it's a printhead
nubbins`: a laser printer is closer to a lithograph than anything else
nubbins`: ^ for a 6-tank printer like mine
nubbins`: asciilifeform my cost per page is prolly lower than yours
nubbins`: inkjets are way, waaaaaaaaaaay slower than laser
nubbins`: and given that i doubt you do much fine art printing...
nubbins`: "toner low in following cartridges: C (cyan). Y (yellow). M (magenta)."
nubbins` also runs two Brother laser printers: one b/w, one colour
nubbins`: is that separate from the drum unit?
nubbins` has published novels on his laser printers, no belt replacement
nubbins`: ah. i've only run maybe 10-15 books through the colour one
nubbins`: i slayed an $80 Brother monochrone laser
nubbins`: asciilifeform no idea / who cares
nubbins`: but i'd use the epson for copying currency anyway
nubbins`: SWIM hypothetically did this in their youth for a while
nubbins`: imagine passing off some of this strange to a cashier, and while you're waiting for your food, guy behind you in line receives some as change
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 116300 @ 0.00035828 = 41.668 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: altho i guess they'd buy the bulk stuff huh.
assbot: Logged on 09-06-2015 03:49:45; decimation: the massive antibody response from usg against these escaped prisoners is amusing
assbot: Logged on 09-06-2015 12:59:40; mircea_popescu: amusing how transparent the usg efforts of turning bitcoin into gold are, by the way. "oh, we don't want to kill bitcoin, honest, we just want to make it so we're the only ones that can safely hold it. you know... like gold..."
mircea_popescu: the "you can't hold it" thing works on everyone. huge difference.
mircea_popescu: soros' breaking of the bank of england should be the only example you might ever need.
mircea_popescu: i LOVE!!11 the fact that they're giving me free money this way
mircea_popescu: and i don't care how much of it comes out of the skins of idiots.
mircea_popescu: actually, i hope most of it does, and i hope it comes out of their corneas and their daughter's labia.
mircea_popescu: there ~IS~ a reason they switched from trying that to trying gavincoin last year.
mircea_popescu: now wonder along with me : WHY is it that shithead gavin is SO VERY FIRMLY CONVINCED this must be done "before the end of the year" ? hm ?
mircea_popescu: who and where told them "we're getting wiped, at the most last out another three, maaaaybe six months" ?
mircea_popescu: always reasons. the fact that nothing's instantaneous in the physical world is the chief reason there may even be life in the first place.
mircea_popescu: what is it that makes the speed of chemical reaction be the speed of chemical reaction ?
mircea_popescu: inertial mass is, much like the "centrifugal force", a matter of observer observing
nubbins`: how many times have i heard "there are only 6000 nodes"
nubbins`: people are gonna be really surprised some day
mircea_popescu: and the thing that keeps schmuck is, the thing that keeps all schmucks. fear.
nubbins`: the experiment but not the results
mircea_popescu: nubbins` bitnodes is in the business of finding what it wants to find.
assbot: Logged on 03-02-2015 16:17:03; mircea_popescu: and just 60 with 99.9% uptime.
nubbins`: i remember being terrified at the time
nubbins` mumbles something about getting pogos running
mircea_popescu: human physiology, the stuff the memory hole effect's made of.
nubbins`: prolly a combination of poor memory and drug use
mircea_popescu: more like, the brain's not made for thinking anymore than bitnodes' is made to count nodes.
mircea_popescu: (the incidence of depression among idiots being for this reason the most amusing thing of all! seriously, YOU'RE depressed ? you don't even have enough of a fucking clue to be sad.)
nubbins`: did anyone ever muck about w/ a buildroot toolchain after?
nubbins`: or was i the only one barking up that tree
assbot: Logged on 09-06-2015 14:19:57; mircea_popescu: they're both made to make you feel good.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu fwiw smart people do depression way better than idiots.
mircea_popescu: rather than pretending depression under false pretenses much like "ununderstood" adolescents pretend to be gay.
davout: asciilifeform: mazeltov
nubbins`: got buildroot built to my satisfaction, stalled up on actuall compiling bitcoind dependencies
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know, in all that story a release is required.
mircea_popescu: do we yet have something that people can put on pogo and run ?
nubbins`: mircea_popescu i've had a statically built bitcoind for months now
nubbins`: i just can't re-create the build ;/
nubbins`: actually, compiling boost w/ the buildroot toolchain is what had me stuck
nubbins`: i recall the discussion on that
nubbins`: i think we reached an impasse as to what was the proper way to find one's own ip and then other nodes
nubbins`: text file sitting in the root dir
nubbins`: oh wow, i missed out on the eulora thing
nubbins`: i'll kick your ass at mario kart 8 tho
mircea_popescu: i dun think you comprehend how much ass eulora kicks and will kick in the future.
mircea_popescu: but i'll tell you this much : im sick and tired of having to switch games.
mircea_popescu: so im going to make this one work and play it forever.
nubbins`: i've got a vague idea. why else would i take a 25btc stock warrant? ;p
nubbins`: valid answers include "that time you used it to earn 1btc on bitbet"
mircea_popescu: anyway, you missed out a 1337 satoshi/day permabag by not coming to sunday's event.
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nubbins`: protip: listen when your computer says you're at 5% battery
nubbins`: next thing ya know a fan spins up and BAM
nubbins`: but anyway. maybe i'll get a chance to compile eulora on osx by sunday
nubbins`: BingoBoingo lel @ gawker and all affiliated sites in general
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nubbins`: from jezebel, for example: "The Katy Perry-Taylor Swift feud is undoubtedly the feud of our century"
nubbins`: there can be no doubt that in our century, this feud is number one
nubbins`: perry is on the left with the epic troll face
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ben_vulpes: <nubbins`> but anyway. maybe i'll get a chance to compile eulora on osx by sunday << if you figure out how lmk, i failed to do so miserably
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punkman: new ups lasted a whole hour, impressed
punkman: I shut down the monitors and went for a walk after 10-15min, so it was mostly just idle computar
pete_dushenski: "Sex-Kitten.Net has been around nearly a decade, in one form or another. It was begun by me, Gracie Passette, as a place for women, by women, about women ~ not only to discuss sex, but certainly not avoiding it."
pete_dushenski: "but certainly not avoiding the subject of sex even though no one said we were and even though that's the point of my derpy little spamblog !"
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pete_dushenski: i was in montreal for the gp last year and they were doing the exact same shtick
pete_dushenski: i would've bet a buck they'd have packed up and given up on their "komoonity centre" thing
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pete_dushenski: "Reigning world champion Hamilton finished 2.2 seconds clear of Rosberg at the end of 70 relatively-uneventful laps around Montreal's Circuit Gilles Villeneuve" << missed this over the weekend, i guess.
pete_dushenski: last year's race was comparatively showy : massive crash on last lap, 1st win for non-mercedes car as red bull's ricciardo took the chequered flag
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ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> pingin' ben_vulpes along with erryone else. << getting gentoo boxen for uclibc and cross-compilation's knocked mod6 and i on our asses
ben_vulpes: went to get a garbagebox from freegeek.org yesterday - "tuesday through saturday"
ben_vulpes: trinque reported two thinkpads i wanted to acquire
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ben_vulpes: might be able to acquire a tower or something with an i5 to play eulora
ben_vulpes is rebuilding eulora from scratch. again.
ascii_field: and yes, those are imperial 2.54mm headers soldered to metric 2mm dip
ben_vulpes: "The process favored those with the most time, as meetings tended to drag out for hours" "Some called it “feminist process,” for it seemed to embody feminist ideals of participation, inclusion, and egalitarianism. " << some derps sit around and derp while other people are making decisions and setting the wheels in motion. is it any wonder that the kochs always win and occupy always loses?
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: did you perchance ever go to 'occupy' ?
ascii_field: they would hold their circlejerk meetings and literally pause 'waiting for a female voice'
danielpbarron: i saw it in NYC on one of my field trips to see the marathon
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes the choice as to whether to sit by the pool and look pretty / sit by the oak desk and look stern was always open to everyone.
ben_vulpes: was particularly amused that the one part of the park that worked - eg infrastructure team - partook of no such nonsense. had leadership that delegated.
ben_vulpes: evaporated quickly, though. nobody likes working for ungrateful derps - not even commie engineers.
mircea_popescu: soo... i just got an email from Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI)
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell pete_dushenski if your kids need mavis beacon, something's gone horribly wrong
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: usg-themed spam is sop for years now
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: my guess it that it is mostly targeted at idiot expats. actual u.s. inmates know well that usg has not invented email yet.
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: realize that this is not unlike the 'everyone will learn to write' thing from back in the day
pete_dushenski: 4. sexual education is to be taught in praxis, not just theory
ben_vulpes: teachers'll have to order parents to do so, as the thing of necessity'll have to run over teh wotnet
pete_dushenski: 5. students will learn to think, then learn the alphabet, then learn to read
ben_vulpes: i also suspect that the initial stable of teachers will actually be the parents. nobody else is going to give a shit and la serenissima runs on deficits anyways.
mircea_popescu: "students will learn to fly then grow the wings most adequate to their preferred flight style"
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes more importantly : why would you as a kid take a beating from someone you're not a in a sexual relationship with
pete_dushenski: 6. those not academically inclined will be pruned from academic studies at age 13 to pursue technical professions
mircea_popescu: romans had forbidden slaves (ie, teachers, more broadly, bureaucrats) beating their kids as a cornerstone of civility.
jurov: how is this determined at 13?
mircea_popescu: what if they go back to school with a chip on their shoulder
mircea_popescu: the focus of this process should not be satisfaction of the designer
mircea_popescu: but moreover avoidance of the situation where you piss off the rightly powerful.
☟︎ jurov: there are tests for that?
mircea_popescu: why not is not a permissible question in this context.
mircea_popescu: rightly is determined by that they put your world ablaze.
jurov: pete_dushenski: because human mind?
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: visit jp, ru, cn, or - hell - us for that matter, to see how the 'tests' thing works out
trinque: the right kids will want to learn
mircea_popescu: the concept of performance tests is not unlike the concept of postcard tourism.
trinque: I tend to think you have to beat that out of the intelligent if it's absent
mircea_popescu: "i've visited all the places my friends sent me cards from"
pete_dushenski: tests can be interviews, written exams, theatre performances...
trinque: and the wrong ones shouldn't be in the school
mircea_popescu: the only half decent approximation of a test would be, "either you go to school where each day for a year contains a beating, or else we kill you in six years".
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: try to grasp that 'perform on schedule' selects for certain kinds of human, not necessarily the ones you like.
mircea_popescu: kids can opt whether to die young and leave a beautiful corpse much before any serious effort was spent on them
pete_dushenski: ascii_field: i'm perfectly aware. i wasn't the cram-exam type myself !
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: kids can opt this for themselves ? not too young ?
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: you're approximately describing 19th c. ru military academy. except there you get beatings + death in six years
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski apparently they're not too young to live and breathe.
mircea_popescu: some kids decide to grow spina bifida, how are you gonna help them improve their choices ?
ascii_field: it boggles my mind to see folks arguing for -more- perform-on-schedule-like-dancing-bear in child-herding
mircea_popescu: ascii_field the problem of child-herding, so far unresolved, is that women care too much and men don't understand wtf is in the box.
☟︎ ben_vulpes: eh give him a break - the canuks get all their ideas from their southern protector
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: lol not true ! i read books and things too.
ascii_field: we already know the kind of people 'star pupils' grow up to be
mircea_popescu: so all that can conceivably be done is protection and tests.
pete_dushenski: actually reading ascii_field recommended "chinese examination" book atm.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field re the perform on call thing : it definitely selects for the sort of woman you like.
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: aha. see also mircea_popescu's essay on 'grinding men into spherical ball bearings'
pete_dushenski: damn it, just when we're getting rolling, meatspace beckons. later y'all !
pete_dushenski looks forward to suggestions for "ben+pete's magickal skool for kidz who can mebbe not suck" in the logs
trinque: give 'em things to build that don't suck.
trinque: and force them to interact with people who are intimidatingly accomplished
ben_vulpes: make 'em do math and physics by hand and computer
trinque: and boot everyone that after that still sucks.
ben_vulpes: read the bible three times, numbers in particular.
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: pretty much everyone i know who's worth talking to became the way he is -in spite of-, rather than with the aid of, school.
ben_vulpes: 'tisn't so much school, ascii_field, as a hedge against further retardifying the spawn
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: yes, they teach ya green's theorem, etc.
mircea_popescu: by consistently sucking my cock throughout my formative years
mircea_popescu: and then supplying a ready stable of eager sluts to get the ball started
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell nubbins` didja ever get past the eulora new account screen?
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ascii_field: '(dev-lang/perl-5.20.2:0/5.20::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge) conflicts with ...' followed by ten pages of barf
jurov: yea i remember that, they reorganized it
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jurov: generally, perl-cleaner
ascii_field: 'Why is Perl so F***ing special that it gets its own utility for un-f***ing it every time I need to update my system? Why does gentoo use perl at all for anything? In my sight its a disgusting useless barnacle of a write only language and this dependency stuff just makes me not want to touch it, ever, if I did suffer from temporary dementia and considered using it in one of my projects. We don't need a python-cleaner or
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: cpp doesn't exist, to a first approximation, on a well-maintained unix box
ascii_field: bitcoind is the thorn in everybody's side in this respect
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: the 'cleaner' in question was a util that is meant to clean up the explosion of blood and guts which results in perl upgrading on a gentoo box
ascii_field: and the crud built with previous versions dying en masse
ascii_field: not really related except in the sense that the hose in a mortician's workshop is related to surgeon's endoscope
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: btw i regard valgrind, igprof, etc. as 'c cleaners' rather than cpp. they only kinda, sorta work on cpp
mircea_popescu: because it never happened that if one "upgrades" suddenly c++ code stops working
ascii_field: cpp is really a 'crime against nature' to the extent that nothing really can process the barf it produces
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ascii_field: mircea_popescu: the directly analogous c/cpp item you were likely thinking of is (on gentoo) 'revdep-rebuild'
jurov: and there is python-updater
jurov: and haskell-updater, too
mod6: heh, i built valgrind on deb6 lastnight as well. didn't work with bitcoind either statically built, or dynamically. might have to give this a try tonight on the gentoo aws instance.
ben_vulpes tried haskell once, irreperably borked the install, never touched it again. will never trust its advocates claims re: "bug free cuz static static really static awesome type system ftw"
ben_vulpes: but i suppose that i just don't understand how the (c, unix, haskell, programmering) world actually works
trinque: jurov: I've totally fucked up my python install several times on gentoo, having to re-emerge python-exec, wtf ever that is
trinque: gentoo has this crazy indirection between the various python versions (is I suspect the culprit, don't care enough to delve futher)
jurov: yeah, since you're supposed to have 2 versions plus pypy plus whatnot working alongside something is bound to break
trinque: PYTHON_SINGLE_TARGET="python2_7" # ftw
jurov: i'm fine with py3k, if you get acclimatized it's actually easy to write stuff compatible with both
jurov: but i'm software maggot, can eat anything
trinque: yeah, I suppose you can write against that six module right?
trinque is bailing from python as he can find excuse to
jurov: oh, that. no, not needed it yet
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danielpbarron: >> #534 in queue. << archive.is is getting spammed now?
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mats: DMCA flags on... an iframe.
mircea_popescu: looks like airtel didn't want the news of their fraud public ?
mats: that letter is difficult to read
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lobbes is new to this cron job stuff.. surprised to find the -only- way to see errors is to email them to yourself (i.e cannot write to local log)?
trinque: I guess depending on the cron jobber; there are quite a few of them
lobbes: checked syslog, but the error prompted me to install an MTA
lobbes: no specifics on the actual error.
trinque: lobbes: could've just been that the thing had output, not necessarily an error
trinque: and then blew up trying to tell ya
fluffypony: you can just have a cronjob that does something like
fluffypony: command --flag --flag2 --blah blah@blah 2> /var/log/yourlogfile.log
fluffypony: the 2> will pipe both STDOUT and STDERR
fluffypony: I normally pipe STDERR to /dev/null because I don't need no steenking errors
fluffypony: and then get very frustrated when shit isn't working and I can't debug it
fluffypony: I think on OS X / FreeBSD you need 2&1>
trinque: that's what I was thinking of, yep
trinque: redirects stderr to stdout, then stdout to the log
lobbes: sweet though, this gives me stuff to work with. thanks everyone
lobbes: I always overlook the power of piping
trinque: I used /dev/tcp magic making that gentoo image for mod6 the other day
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shinohai saves mircea_popescu 's image for FapBot
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shinohai: It stiil boggles my mind whenever I see it.
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mats: exactly that galois
jurov: "You will be coming to us and we will be working with you," a DECO officer recently explained to academics. "When your ideas aren't necessarily that formed, it may be that we say to you, 'Look, at the moment we don't see any concern, come back to us at a further stage'."
☟︎☟︎ mats: fun fact: You can resolve kernel module addresses on Windows by looking at the session image list, which is linked to from a fixed VA.
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punkman: yeah block number is where it's at
trinque: jurov: totalitarians going for broke eh?
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BingoBoingo: <shinohai> OMG we have TO PAY FOR NICE THINGS! << The last sorta decent Multibit happened between 0.5.11 and 0.5.13
shinohai: I don't personally use it, I just love those posts where they bitch about paying for things.
trinque: shinohai: the internet is free comrade.
shinohai: Free sure, but if I tell that to my ISP they likely will disconnect my service. xD
shinohai: There *is* good free stuff online, I just don't expect it all to be free.
trinque: nah, none of it should be free
trinque: largest machine on earth if you consider it as such... and people think it should cost nothing