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decimation: the trouble is that if they are incorporated in the US, they might make USG an enemy
decimation: the whole USG has become a vehicle to distribute the annual seigniorage
decimation: heh yeah that's a good point, can't violate USG regs
decimation: USG pays its employees in its own scrip, and they think it's a great deal
mircea_popescu: make deal with usg to be repaid so and so.
decimation: asciilifeform, many us corps (due to heavy USG encouragement) pay incentives to "invest" in 401ks
mircea_popescu: well considering what the inexistend fighter jet has cost alreayd, i can only imagine what a shuttle would cost the usg
mircea_popescu: bounce: can someone please put the usg out of our misery? << oooonly yoooouuuu
bounce: "if we can't follow your every move (financially), you must be a terrorist (financier)" -- nothing like fat budgets to engender some more groupthink and target innovations like bitcoin. can someone please put the usg out of our misery?
mircea_popescu: that a campaign against reusing addresses is more a covert usg op than anything else.
decimation: honestly if the US wanted to go full-retard, the most profitable way to proceed would be to stop collecting any taxes and run the entire USG on printed money
asciilifeform: www.tunnelbear.com << typical honeypot. usg has a sense of humour (bears; honey)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dude, you imagine the usg would have the guts ? what's this, the future ?
mircea_popescu: <decimation> as you have found, moldbug himself is extremely reluctant to take any action that might have second or third-order effects that displease USG <<< that sorta thing.
decimation: as you have found, moldbug himself is extremely reluctant to take any action that might have second or third-order effects that displease USG
asciilifeform: decimation: rsa fob is still mandatory in usg, megacorps...
artifexd: I always assume that the usg has always-on access to my bank accounts. I guess I should start assuming the same with my coinbase activities.
mircea_popescu: meaning any info you upload to them, such as bank acct numbers, id scans, etc, is now held by the usg and by all the hacker groups.
asciilifeform: artifex: the proverbial 'upload the goods to usg every night' perl script.
decimation: USG is not a fan of international property ownership
decimation: re: deep ocean robo-submarine: http://www.acq.osd.mil/osbp/sbir/solicitations/sbir20142/navy142.htm << USG wants some of them too (see N142-117), will pay fiat to tell them how
decimation: mircea_popescu: "anyway, this constant tendency to abstract people out of life is a sickness by now." << I suspect as least 90% of USG spending is put toward programs who have the goal of treating people as if they were automatons
ThickAsThieves: these USGs be so insidious
bounce: well, then gtfo usg
ThickAsThieves: i need to gtfo usg
gribble: CVO: Summary for Cenveo Inc- Yahoo! Finance: <http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=CVO>; Cascades Volcano Observatory: <http://vulcan.wr.usgs.gov/>; CVO - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CVO>
Luke-Jr: [13:11:59] <mircea_popescu> APPLE TO BE BANNED BY USG <-- please!
mircea_popescu: APPLE TO BE BANNED BY USG
mircea_popescu: davout only after being raped by usg.
mircea_popescu: alexsanjose i don't imagine the usg is any sort of actor in this discussion.
mircea_popescu: if it's the kneejerk "not usg diddled" then might as well discard it.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony google drug it up, https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=11&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCQQFjAAOAo&url=https%3A%2F%2Fbitcointa.lk%2Fthreads%2Fmtgox-recovery-imminent.262429%2Fpage-2&ei=lUNVU87oN8_y7AbTwIH4Ag&usg=AFQjCNGHHKEJtFolkPKq5bnZP0kHSJ_rRA&bvm=bv.65058239,d.ZGU
mircea_popescu: Adam Penenberg is such an idiot. o herp, please help along with the grandiose effort of making usg snooping more user-acceptable.
mircea_popescu: china holding us debt is no sort of statement of confidence in the usg, quite the contrary, it's a claim on its asshole.
mircea_popescu: wywialm us collapse = usg collapse. what else ? not like kansas will fall off the map or something.
wywialm: bounce, mircea_popescu, do you imagine that us collapse would come together with general usG collapse, including official default?
mircea_popescu: we are moving away from ssl and generally pki, and generally usg-crap. forever.
mircea_popescu: the usg moving into cattle rustling
ThickAsThieves: he seemed pretty proud of the notion that most nodes were USG
TestingUnoDosTre: It's not like the USG can afford, or even needs to pay a high salary
decimation: and that explains the workings of the USG
decimation: This is what happens when the USG pays peanuts for 'talent'
ThickAsThieves: well i agree, but i doubt the USG would intentionally do encourage it
mircea_popescu: bounce: hmm... wonder how those bugs ended up in openssl and gnutls. << you needn't wonder. examine the matter plainly : for no appreciable reason, the usg muppets posing as "core devs" started work to meld pki into bitcoin protocol.
asciilifeform: (as usg wants you to, see 'fips')
decimation: wrt housing: USG pumps 30 year loans; forces banks to give them to everyone; USG is then horrified to find that house-prices have been bid into the sky with 30 year money
mircea_popescu: "hi, i'm 24 and i made a deal with the usg to pretend like i'm still a human being, who knows, maybe the puppet master needs one sometime"
ozbot: Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: Dear USG sleeper agents : ...
asciilifeform: chetty: presently usg threatens penalties on foreign banks who 'hide' escapees
ThickAsThieves: admittedly this hostility came after I linked her to https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCoQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wikihow.com%2FUse-There%2C-Their-and-They%27re&ei=E8ZAU76RAY-wsAT4hYHYAw&usg=AFQjCNFUDz_wqUzyiVCDFekwBoaqO20NWQ&sig2=0XULb0AYQMcseS7VzgO9Rg&bvm=bv.64125504,d.cWc
asciilifeform: it was a petty theft case, long ago. some bugger was evicted from an apartment, and his belongings were carried out by a set of hired hands. one of whom stole a garbage bag full of pron. also containing a (usg-issued) laptop.
mircea_popescu: this and other imbalances make it so that the usg can not actually afford to compete in this particular market.
mircea_popescu: the quietly glossed over point being, of course, that a dollar of usg spending does not buy it a dollar of rl value.
mircea_popescu: it's part of my evil strategy of preventing the usg from ever mattering in this space.
mircea_popescu: in fact, mcdonalss DOES sell for free in most of the us, it does more business as a proxy for usg welfare than anything else.
jurov: i heard funny hypothesis that f35 is chinese inside job to bleed usg dry
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as is virtually everything done by usg post-fdr
ThickAsThieves: the USG neither provides for, nor maintains, nor creates bitocin
benkay: USG is slowly aligning themselves with reality on the ground
asciilifeform: when the usg banned the instant 'hiv' tester device, the argument, if i recall, was that people would kill themselves on learning the result, if no surrounded by government-approved shrinks ☟︎
mircea_popescu: a more persuasive theory is that the usg used this opportunity to launder its own mining proceeds.
mircea_popescu: the usg wrote the book on perverse incentives, srsly.
mircea_popescu: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=video&cd=4&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CD0QtwIwAw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.secretservice.gov%2Fjoin&ei=9CEyU9nLH82shQf-toCIBg&usg=AFQjCNE_cmlK613EqMnFHoIjvZgI30-x-Q
mircea_popescu: eh, currently the usg policy is something along the lines of "well why put away the scammers, they're useful players"
benkay: great thing about the USG is that there's enough ToS for an entire lifetime of butt wiping.
asciilifeform: i suppose ms turdows being mandatory os of usg is also free market ?
asciilifeform: ultimately usg sponsored.
mircea_popescu: general electric, ford and hp are all kept on respirators by public usg spending.
asciilifeform: ianal, but nothing shocking here - usg is treating btc the same as gold, cement, bags of xxxxx good
asciilifeform: i suppose it also matters what is meant by death. i.e. many fiat corps would become fiat corpses, and rather indistinguishable from gox, if disconnected from usg printer.
Mats_cd03: paypal and usg having a number of such incentives that enable them to operate like thugs
radan: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCYQtwIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DDpxjvYoLEJs&ei=8nIwU_rUD8bo2AWIw4HgAw&usg=AFQjCNEWzcjjuwoixYRx-M0TpYKZ-0LmkA&sig2=GeMYRlUAagLOdqbEUHTsuQ&bvm=bv.62922401,d.b2I
ThickAsThieves: so basically the budgets represent each of the USG's corporations, not actual categories
mircea_popescu: in many ways the usg is much like a bitcointalk investor : can't get anything done because surrounded by thieves
decimation: so, in the land of the free, the USG has granted a monopoly on yellow DMM's and then began enforcing the monopoly using taxpayer funds.
decimation: or, to be more precise, hiring and paying competent inspectors is a bridge too far for USG
mircea_popescu: anirgu : that it appears you're proposing the usg regulate the life of chinese workers.
decimation: This goes to your point about those who flatter USG make out like bandits; while those trying to make money "from the sweat of their brow" end up funding the fortunes of the flatterers
decimation: perhaps you can steer one or two to the real lede here - the writ under which USG agencies operate, and the apparently unlimited self-extension of the same
asciilifeform: ianal. but it would surprise me greatly if the matter is settled in such a way as for usg to tell itself to pound sand
mircea_popescu: no wonder the doj is claiming prism has full support from the usg-controlled corps a la google yahoo etc
mircea_popescu: well maybe the usg open sources its english translations/summaries of romanian t articles
asciilifeform: used by usg
asciilifeform: and the Official Party Line of usg is... wait for it...
benkay: ah so then i guess not really a product of the usg then, mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: and if this keeps up for another 3-4 years the rest of the world will own more drones than the usg.
mircea_popescu: ninjashogun no , it does not. it has nothing to do with anything other than the particular way the usg implements welfare for a certain subset of the youth population.
asciilifeform: any cargo is hazardous if the fellow with the remote control (usg) would rather that it not reach destination.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: a turd that port scans wantonly would appear to be uncommonly poor workmanship even for usg.
ThickAsThieves: the USG for example cares most about two things
mircea_popescu: Mar 05 03:06:20 <mircea_popescu>when i do hidden in plain sight, it's hidden. when the usg tries it, it's snowdened.
mircea_popescu: turns out trusting the usg isn't a workable policy. who knew.
dub: probably to process a reciept for every bullet the USG buys
asciilifeform: i've suggested before that it is a mistake to see u.s. tech firms (certainly after ww2) as meaningfully separate from usg.
mircea_popescu: open source infallibility, the notion that wikipedia is in any sense an encyclopedia, everyone's obsession with crowd-sourcing and usg...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not a bad read that. glosses over some stuff, but at least it glosses over different stuff from the usg propaganda machine
decimation: no one can accuse USG of racism, that's for sure
asciilifeform: usg steals a few irc botnets.
benkay: stop lending them money at 0% and letting them lend it to the usg at 2 or whatever
mircea_popescu: a trillion dollars is not much loss for usg ineptitude. a hundred grand is too much gain for real world people,