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ozbot: Newsweek Reporter Bashes ‘Fanatical’ Bitcoiners on Facebook | Betabeat
Duffer1: in before S.MKNY turns out to be a search engine
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00351602 = 0.7032 BTC [-] {9}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [MS] 100 @ 0.00297191 = 0.2972 BTC [-] {5}
turbo_ac100: The MoNKeY? Google bash on trilema? Sounds about right.
dub: oh mp discovered that google suck?
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nubbins`: ThickAsThieves lel toffoo is in that list!
gribble: You rated user toffoo on Fri Jan 31 10:30:17 2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: his btc for my merchandise! he sent first!.
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BingoBoingo_: ;;later tell mircea_popescu ATC trading statement has been mailed.
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 29 @ 0.0037 = 0.1073 BTC [-]
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decimation: asciilifeform I assume you saw the ios security document?
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decimation: I would give apple credit, they are a cut above the usual silicon valley crowd security-wise
decimation: of course, white papers are on thing, actually showing the details of the code is a different matter
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 22 @ 0.0059186 = 0.1302 BTC [-]
decimation: I wish they would release the firmware code
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 20 @ 0.072 = 1.44 BTC [-]
benkay`: "discretely arrested by US department of state agents outside her children's Manhattan school"
benkay`: i suppose that's discreet, if you're the gestapo.
decimation: no one can accuse USG of racism, that's for sure
decimation: why does a visa application list the salary of a housekeeper?
ozbot: In Turkey, Renewed Anti-Government Protests - In Focus - The Atlantic
benkay`: ignore those neo-nazis in crimea
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benkay`: is that who's trying to assume the mantle of power in turkey?
benkay`: "concern about the impact on the neighboring Casino Queen prompted him to exclude Fairmount Park from getting gaming machines"
benkay`: that being the government's business, of course.
BingoBoingo: Of course, the Queen being 40% of East Saint's revenue and somehow managing to at the same time be a bigger shithole than East Saint
MisterE: and that boys and girls is how special interests run our government
MisterE: I bet those jobs are monimum wage too
MisterE: while the execs and shareholders clean up
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3550 @ 0.00079807 = 2.8331 BTC [-]
MisterE: man if Turkey destabilizes much more shit is gonna get real in the ME
benkay`: what kinds of mischief would you get up to?
benkay`: naked ladies at the protest?
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32553 @ 0.00079929 = 26.0193 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 67 @ 0.0036 = 0.2412 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 29 @ 0.0036 = 0.1044 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07799118 = 0.156 BTC [+]
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07799118 = 0.39 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 120 @ 0.0037 = 0.444 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7900 @ 0.00079961 = 6.3169 BTC [+]
Duffer1: new blizz moba, it's just total biscuit playing
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benkay`: chetty: why'd they do that?
MisterE: War with Russia will be good for the economy
MisterE: benkay`: Chinese hate things they can not control
BingoBoingo: MisterE: Prolly for the BTC ecomony and the remibi. Shit for the others though
VanCleef: that's why china likes america
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benkay`: all forces are arrayed against starting a company here.
benkay`: we picked up a contractor from an associate's shop that had folded, and immediately (despite not hiring the man), got a fat packet of mail from the state about this gentleman's employment status asking us all sorts of inane questions.
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07799118 = 0.234 BTC [+]
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benkay: davout i need more cello :(
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lnovy: transaction reversibility, oh boy...
benkay: "It is not clear exactly what part social media played in the crimes.
benkay: But Kent police, which investigated 3,528 crimes involving Facebook and 191 related to Twitter last year, gave one example where two women posted pictures online of themselves with stolen hubcaps."
benkay: so - poor people are flocking to social media and bringing their poor habits with them i gather.
BingoBoingo: Is anyone else here developing a visceral dislike of medium.com blogs?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not a bad read that. glosses over some stuff, but at least it glosses over different stuff from the usg propaganda machine
BingoBoingo: HTML for content, CSS for layout and formating, JS for optional dohickeys
MisterE: what is not a bad read mircea_popescu ?
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mircea_popescu: dexx jesus the butthurt with that woman is phenomenal. what happened to "i've been a stupid cunt and all it took you folks was five minutes to make it obvious. you're awesome thank you so much for taking the time!"
mircea_popescu: i guess they don't teach that in self-affirmative-shiteater classes for womenz in tech and other important things huh.
BingoBoingo: I find amazing that in spite of a decade and a half of shitfits related to "extremist groups" whose membership never exceeds the hundreds, actual instability still comes from nation-states whose membership numbers in the millions to the hundreds of millions
mircea_popescu: if your wife suddenly throws a jealousy fit out of the blue, you know she's just been cheating.
mircea_popescu: even braindead bitcointalk scammers know enough of the world to be screaming thief while stealing.
BingoBoingo: Or she cut out the implanon in her shoulder that was there to ward off the scammzor babies
mircea_popescu: Azelphur: yea, that's why I think an alarm would be better, that at least gets the attention of people around you << so they can join in ?
Azelphur: mircea_popescu: hehe, I still think people aren't all assholes ;)
mircea_popescu: repressive society tho. completely different environment.
mircea_popescu: this notion that a woman is a person is very novel and very strange, and rather limited geographically. notwithstanding what western progressives would like to pretend.
mircea_popescu: in most of the world, woman chiefly still means head of cattle.
mircea_popescu: the only way that's changing is once it becomes more productive economically to work than to procreate, which is probably an euphemism for never
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo less than you'd think. humans are programmable, and women eminently so.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, for some circumstances.
BingoBoingo: I assume the women who would use it would be untrainable
mircea_popescu: think full metal jacket. you see a bunch of women in there with gunnery sargeant gomer pyle ?
BingoBoingo: Might be more valuable operating the missiles, or as officers commanding the mine grunts
mircea_popescu: it takes six fucking months to break down the male blocks on killing, and even then it only works sorta 50-50.
mircea_popescu: and that's old 1970s data. by now... i'd be surprised if one kid out of ten ever becomes a useful soldier.
BingoBoingo: You see mor women killing with less hesitation in 2009 than you really had before since Joan of arc
BingoBoingo: And more the killing happens less in useful soldier applications
BingoBoingo: IRL, I've got lots of antidotes, but nothing I can feed a stats machine
BingoBoingo: Male acquaitance killed a lot of goats and no people on a deployment, because everyone else was shooting
ozbot: Men, women, and murder: gender-specific differences... [J Trauma. 1992] - PubMed - NCBI
BingoBoingo: Female acquaintance killed a lot of people because they were unfuckable
lnovy: Are those really comparable? It's bit different to kill and to kill as a soldier, no?
mircea_popescu: A total of 215,273 homicides were studied, 77% of which involved male victims and 23% female victims. Although women comprise more than half the U.S. population, they committed only 14.7% of the homicides noted during the study interval.
mircea_popescu: lnovy yes, in the sense that it's much easier as a solider.
mircea_popescu: basically murder works exactly like siegel indicated : "we don't kill mooks, we just off each other"
lnovy: I don't share that view... homicides are not always coldblooded killing...
lnovy: uncontrolable soldier is mostly useless
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mircea_popescu: lnovy it's about a degree of magnitude easier for me to get some dood to shoot at "the enemy" than it'd be to get some woman to shoot at her would-be attacker.
mircea_popescu: and as far as guns are concerned, they're for killing not for displaying.
BingoBoingo: Most male vetrans I've seen drunk enough to spill the dark secrets spill that they didn't kill people. A majority of the women who admit to being in firefights admit to shooting to kill people because they really don't want to carry goat boy to term if the base is over run
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo those women also admit to having serious trouble ever dating.
mircea_popescu: by the time yo uget her where she can defend herself at gunpoint, you also got her to where she's slipping herself roofies
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Sometimes, but the blowjobs are above par
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo anyway, let's talk something interesting like business
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: SO you get the ATC fund's status.
mircea_popescu: the way i'm thinking, if you pick a sport you like and you actually know enough about to make a line, you can then make that line, and promote it like any bookie
mircea_popescu: this should be vig-profitable, whatever it's supposed to make, 8% or what was it.
BingoBoingo: Eh, but getting people, especially in BTC to bite on a line... is a challenge
mircea_popescu: that's why the promoter makes dough. if it were easy it'd be every kid and his app situation
mircea_popescu: i dunno, i never actually run gambling. but i'm vaguely aware it's a living, so
BingoBoingo: Apparently it is less of a living than it used to be.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves yeah, totally, community is everything. except they have no idea what that word means.
mircea_popescu: fucking lawyering is less of a living than it used to be
BingoBoingo: The replacement level poker player is skilling up.
mircea_popescu: singer-songwriter is MUCH less of a living than it used to be
mircea_popescu: even cocksucking, if you believe the casino cocksuckers, is much less than it used to be
BingoBoingo: lawyering and s/sing are going down because the replacement level for each sucks more.
mircea_popescu: mebbe. but for whatever reason... nothing makes what it used to make.
mircea_popescu: kinda the point, bank clerks cca 1950 could maintain a nice beachfront house in california, a housewife and her children
mircea_popescu: bank vps can't afford the same today, with the wife working.
BingoBoingo: 1950 was around the time fiat reached its maximum leverage though.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves punkman benkay it's wences' new thing. he previously made the same exact thing (lemon) which apparently got sold.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2566 @ 0.0008004 = 2.0538 BTC [+]
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you can probably laser/gamma/magnetic resonance for the ink inside huh.
mircea_popescu: dub more like found a good angle to humiliated people with it.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell decimation as far as i recall the theory behind carbon dating and especialyl the "constant decay" part has been under fire for decades.
BingoBoingo: Oh, the miners are digging into the ATC bid wall nao
joecool: literally lol'd @ that post
joecool: got worried when i saw the link and thought it was about me
mircea_popescu: curious if they finally turn muslim, ataturk's memory and the military can only go so far.
mircea_popescu: snotty eu refused to let them in when they had a chance, and much to their detriment, as a eu member turkey would have definitely taken the eu out of any crisis
BingoBoingo: They've been sliding more muslin for two decades now
mircea_popescu: much like the crimeea. you can posutre all you want, but in the realpolitik world crimeea was gone the moment obama got raped over syria.
mircea_popescu: in a sense, kerry's idiocy sealed its fate, had he kept his stupid mouth shut...
joecool: putin keepin the pimp hand strong
BingoBoingo: At least the Black Sea doesn't seem like ti will be a shooting war anytime soon
mircea_popescu: and obviously, the little secret nobody wants to share in the english language propaganda machine is that currently russian jets are about two classes over anything nato can fly.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Crimea was sealed in the NATO Libya intervention when the French Raphaels outperformed the new US aircraft
mircea_popescu: turns out it's not enough to be really firmly convinced you're cool. gotta also do homework.
BingoBoingo: US wins on ONGWTFBBQ planes, but they don'e have many of them... Most aren't approved for flight because pilots need oxygen
BingoBoingo: The US pretty much only seems to have the solid win on strategic bombers... and if those are needed the war's been lost
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo the latest su can actually outfly sidewinders
mircea_popescu: well the problem is... strategic bombers are useless in this context. the russians can airplane-intercept tomahawks as it is.
BingoBoingo: Well, according to the Hollywood liason office SU just sells knock off plans to china.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, there's the B-2... ANd that's about it.
BingoBoingo: B-2 can fly from western Missouri to western Missouri
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: US only really advertised the MIGs as potention OPFOR... Prolly for morale reasons
chetty: but the US planes were all designed and built according to standards - and union rules and all, they must be the best
mircea_popescu: chetty no doubt about it, they're the best union builds :D
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo yeah. the migs, here's a funny story about the migs :
joecool: china getting any good at knockoffs?
mircea_popescu: the nato exercise in 2012 consisted of a romanian team flying migs (old migs, mind you) as "the enemy"
mircea_popescu: the romanian team downed half the us planes, and a bunch of french and dutch
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mircea_popescu: and these are people who can barely afford the fuel to fly the damned rust buckets.
mircea_popescu: (they did have the jewish elecwarfare upgrades tho, which apparently are damned good)
BingoBoingo: Well, the US killed their most capable carriet based aircraft because Iran needed spare parts...
BingoBoingo: Well on the news the USN is talking about getting more EWAR variant F/A 18's but the pentagon wants more money for vaporware F-35's because they can take off and land like a helicopter
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48384 @ 0.00080062 = 38.7372 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2816 @ 0.00080198 = 2.2584 BTC [+]
joecool: BingoBoingo: and congress is old and keeps earmarking more tanks
mircea_popescu: and to top it all off, we don't even know what the chinese are flying.
joecool: mircea_popescu: i would guess it doesn't really matter what, but there will be a lot of whatever what is
mircea_popescu: tho if we're to apply the old yurpean wisdom, considering how fucking scared the russians must be to spend so much on their sus... the chinese must be pretty bad.
BingoBoingo: Honestly I think China is selling designs to SU now
mircea_popescu: joecool maybe. the thing with them is that they're really good at keeping secrets.
joecool: mircea_popescu: wall builders are usually good at that
mircea_popescu: and so we literally don't know wtf their jets actually are.
BingoBoingo: Who wanted to trade Rare Earths yesterday... MisterE?
mircea_popescu: but you know, when in 500ad the sarmatians started pushing west, you knew something was scaring them at the other end.
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
BingoBoingo: I plan on falling behind in about 20 hours again
BingoBoingo: First I need to come up with a fundraising plan for blog
Dimsler: mircea_popescu, how was your vacation?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31878 @ 0.00080198 = 25.5655 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: My fundraising target for the blog is 2-8 BTC, which should be enough to keep it hosted... forever
BingoBoingo: I'm amenable to parting with both the painting of Kim Jung Il's heart attack on a train and a portion of my sidebar together.
BingoBoingo: If one of the other bloggers want to be the Patron I would be amenable to Slashdot coaching.
joecool: BingoBoingo: what kind of traffic
BingoBoingo: joecool: I am skeptical that I can find sponsors atm in the 2-8 BTC range, but... the blog made slasdot twice in 2014
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joecool: BingoBoingo: site is abit rough on the eyes, my co is doing design for youmeandbtc in return for advertising
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joecool: (not done yet, but getting there)
BingoBoingo: joecool: The design aesthetic on my site is ENTIRELY intentional
BingoBoingo: And my best viewership in one day was 34,205 viewers with javascript enabled
B007: Support BingoBlog by sending coins to: 17sTosfHxNzGD4VUP3pjoHCEVofzSEcL95
joecool: BingoBoingo: ah, you might want to look at moving it to something like dropplets
joecool: if you're really serious about minimalism
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B007: BingoBoingo: what do you do irl?
BingoBoingo: B007: I am a trained librarian who does freelance work because I was fed a lie... Well a lot of lies
benkay: droplets, eh? i imagine i'll go flat flat text with bare links next.
joecool: might want to look at bootstrap too
joecool: it's a little more "traditional" looking
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B007: librarian? like restock shelves? or do research ?
BingoBoingo: B007: My experience in grad school was in Health Sciences librarianship, but... school is a lie
B007: how is school a lie
B007: or I guess for you was
benkay: no bingo you see what you really want is something really fancy someone spent a shitload of money on designing
benkay: someone who really matters in the ux world like twitter
benkay: that's how you drive pageviews!
B007: my website has only my own pageviews
benkay: ugh yes everything must now be flat text files gpg signed
BingoBoingo: benkay: You understand. I want something ever so slightly more friendly for machine readers than human readers, and I only want rounded surfaced on my dick in sum bitch's mouth
joecool: benkay: well if you want lots of pageviews and don't really care who its from, use buzzfeed as example (or newsweek lol)
benkay: yeah you can get real far with the sv crowd chasing those lcd pageviews
benkay: anyways you guys i get to experience America this weekend!
benkay: some family is flying babydoll and i out for her sister's birthday. this includes a Hajj to Disneyland, apparently.
BingoBoingo: B007: It was a lie in the sense that the program admitted 3x more students than the market would bear and the students who got hired all sucked a meaner dick than I would
benkay: california is a different country man
mircea_popescu: bejeez all these foreigner terrorists getting uppity...
joecool: benkay: i'd like to think florida is too
BingoBoingo: Oh, benkay I would have pegged you as being from the Republic of Oregon
benkay: sticks, in the vernacular
benkay: BingoBoingo my location's pretty trivially deductable
joecool: BingoBoingo: in other news, pm
B007: so what are some good books to learn about finance?
B007: ask for finance book, get philosophical book
B007: It does lool interesting though
benkay: wait hang on wrong title
BingoBoingo: B007: You wanted a book on subjective decision making, I offered te same
MisterE: great Belarus is getting involved
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12800 @ 0.00080383 = 10.289 BTC [+]
ozbot: BBC News - Ukraine crisis: Russia tells UN it does not want war
MisterE: In a sign the tension may be spreading, Belarus - a Russian ally - confirmed Moscow had deployed, at its request, extra fighter jets and military transport aircraft after Nato boosted its forces in the neighbouring Baltic countries.
BingoBoingo: I wonder if kakobrekla might want to help keep my blog alive for bit4x advertising and an oil painting?
kakobrekla: hm, perhaps i get you some adaptive css instead?
mircea_popescu: "China's Li Keqiang warns investors to prepare for wave of bankruptcies"
B007: "serious challenges"
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B007: " Beijing is copying the Japanese tactic of ramping up public infrastructure spending to replace the steep slowdown in private sector investment."
MisterE: China is in a world of hurt
MisterE: they just dont want the world to know it
benkay: my money's on drone swarms.
BingoBoingo: My hope is I do this one fundraiser. Someone gets a year or decade of advertising, and the balance keeps the site alive for literally, rather than merely figuratively... forever.
benkay: wow there's an idea forever hosting
benkay: stick it in the blockchain, BingoBoingo
BingoBoingo: benkay: Site can't be hosted in the blockchain, but a contract can.
benkay hushes voice and looks around
benkay: js embedded in the blockchain that executes in browsers
BingoBoingo: benkay: basically the thought is if BTC keeps going up 30x a year, only a few BTC now can host a site for eternity
BingoBoingo: benkay: Too young. Need at least three years... Or a catastrophic nuclear attack on New York, DC, and LA
benkay: you're missing the point.
benkay: this should be a wp plugin
benkay: someone call phpbrekla
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BingoBoingo: benkay: The thing is there is yet to be solid infrastructure for credits or advertising in BTC
benkay: you have the price dial to turn as well
benkay: furthermore the blog credit market needs some price discovery
cads: hwy guys have you hear about that new cryptocurrency based on protein folding?
BingoBoingo: benkay: It what way can I really turn the dial though
cads wishes he wasn't just pulling your legs
benkay: well one of two directions, right?
benkay: either cheaper or more expensive
kakobrekla: meh even the non btc advertising platforms are scams
kakobrekla: how can you expect anything more from btc ones
BingoBoingo: In an immature market though... The dial might not even be attached to the cam
cads: mircea_popescu: I got it. What do you call a cryptocurrency based on protein folding?
benkay: or sell access to specific pieces
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Well, I've seen little actual promise from ads in either space
BingoBoingo: I swear I tried to do the basketball post as honestly as I could without calling it nigger golf
MisterE: most pro sports are dominated by blacks
benkay: wow that kotaku article's full of lulz as well. dude crumpled some modern tin fake building and didn't die.
cads: "The Skynet hypothesis is a boogeyman intended to scare the young and the paranoid. The real threat from AI is that it will become so good at the pointless tasks that we have given it that those pointless tasks will become a black hole of resources." I am reading an article about a concept the author calls malignant computing - computing that increases itself and hurts the market in an effort to perpetuate itself.
http://radar.oreilly. cads: com/2014/03/malignant-computation.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed:+oreilly/radar/atom+(O'Reilly+Radar)
MisterE: but I've been to a hockey game and it's very cool
MisterE: its one of those that does poorly transferring to TV
MisterE: unlike basketball that seems built for tv
MisterE: and ftr I think hockey is still dominated by white barbarians
cads: Arguments like that have been raised originally against high frequency trading, and as we're familier with, against the hashchain algorithm.
cads: the author seems to hint that if a proof of work system is going to be malignant and self expandingit may as well be proof of some universally useful work
benkay: what, securing the monetary base isn't universally useful?
cads: but only gives as an example Primecoin, a c-currency where the proof of work involves finding primes.
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mircea_popescu: cads you realise that's a whole lot of ignorant nonsense do you ?
MisterE: everyone can have a crypto coin
cads: can we make a computing system that grows such that it harms the market? sure, high speed trading has caused serious disasters - but we can also argue those are just growing pains and we're better off for the high speed bots.
mircea_popescu: that's besides the point. there's a certain troop of losers that have had a purely ideological problem with bitcoin mining since 2009
mircea_popescu: the idea is that bitcoin uses energy, and they don't like using energy. period.
mircea_popescu: now, that this is hogwashed into something pompous sounding like "malignant computing" is exactly typical of the mannerisms of the particular ideological group in question.
mircea_popescu: the gargle holds no futher merit past its function as a retard magnet.
chetty: I want a time machine, send those folks back to walk streets a foot deep in horse shit
mircea_popescu: perhaps amusing an exercise would be restructuring the argument, except directed at them.
mircea_popescu: malignant pseudopolitics is this process which expands to occupy all fora available.
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mircea_popescu: sort-of what the socialists are doing in the us, or the communists did in the soviet union.
mircea_popescu: it's malignant alright, it's pointless alright, with or without all the huffpo crap the world would be exactly in the same position.
mircea_popescu: nao what ? purely ideological construct, works just as well in any random direction.
cads: mircea_popescu: lets leave aside the author's obvious retardation and focus on prime coin and the idea of doing externally useful work as a side effect of the cryptocurrency.
mircea_popescu: the entire thing shows striking similarities to the peta-and-animal-saving debacle, for that matter.
mircea_popescu: one would seem to be thermodynamic, which is to say that the total utility of work available is limited, and if you do outside useful work you won't do the work you set out to do in the first place.
mircea_popescu: this could be understood on a macro level as "if there are outside constraints on your pow process, you'll need that many more iterations"
cads: the author does provide me with say 30 bits of novel information (I had not known of prime coin - the paper is interesting)
mircea_popescu: im not debating whether it's interesting, it's definitely interesting. i'm just saying it;'s stupid. stupid things are usually interesting, at least as amusements
cads: first example of a scientific computing cryptocurrency (and I certainly hope we'll see more useful ones as well)
Duffer1: scientific utility of a cunningham chain discovery mechanism is debatable
mircea_popescu: no but you're math-literate, how would this work ? you compute two things with the same stone ? what's the idea here ?
cads: mircea_popescu> this could be understood on a macro level as "if there are outside constraints on your pow process, you'll need that many more iterations"
cads: this would be neat to model, and may well be true in a very theormodynamic sense
mircea_popescu: "you can make any sha key you want, as long as every other byte is FA"
mircea_popescu: now. does this mean your key will simply have to be twice as long for equal security ?
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mircea_popescu: im probably restating well known and anciently established mathematical fact, but here, mp's lemma : any computation of two results can be reduced to two computations of the respective results, and the sum of the energy consumed by the latter will be at most equal to the energy consumed by the former process.
mircea_popescu: and actually this could probably be expanded into interesting results for ppl trying to understand various higher level maths. "define a comutative algebra in which a ring can exist for which any addition also calculates a multiplication and vice-versa"
BingoBoingo: Shame Erdos and his bog bag of meth are out of the picture
cads: let me offer a counter "you can solve a partial hash collision problem (something like an O(2^k) expected running time), or you can solve a np-complete problem requiring brute searching a binary tree of height k (assume similar expected chance of success)."
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo no we want like emmy noether for this shit
cads: Now suppose both solutions are verifiably by a third party in polynomial time. But suppose additionally that the answer for the second problem also has a value of $100 to the third party. The question is should the second process take more energy to compute?
BingoBoingo: Like he didn't have a big bag of meth either
cads: I feel the value supposition must be completely independent and coincidental to the energy requirements. You could even suppose it is pure coincidence the output of the second algorithm is structured such that it's useful to the third party.
mircea_popescu: anyway, it's clearly interesting. or as the romanian expression goes, "un prostovan arunca o piatra in apa si zece filosofi se chinuie s-o scoata"
mircea_popescu: cads but if it's purely coincidental then you don't have a pow that does protein folding, you just have a pow that occasionally folds a protein
mircea_popescu: i imagine after enough btc blocks, we'll actually get shakespeare's merchant of venice in the hashes, so why not
cads: mircea_popescu: it's without question that anyone can look at the outputs of the two algorithms and verify that ~2^k energy was expended. Perhaps the problem happens when we require the second algorithm to also guarantee a useful output relative to the third party.
BingoBoingo: The rejected hashes might already contain that play.
cads: i don't see it because regardless of the supposed usefullness, the algorithm still uses 2^k energy.
mircea_popescu: cads no but the key is your "or". turn it to "and" and see.
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BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Once they hit the crystal... It's just safest to assign them the pronoun that inspires the least sexual interest.
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mircea_popescu: a bit ironic because the poor woman suffered plenty through being a woman. ended up teaching under hilbert's name because the sort of boneheads roaming about end of 19th century couldn't have a woman colleague
BingoBoingo: Indeed. Most of the really big breaks in computational theory cam from the women before the dorks realized they could make their own fantasy worlds.
cads: well lets see a better example. Problem 1 makes us solve the travelling salesman problem on random graphs. Problem 2 makes us solve travelling salesman on maps that appear indistinguishable from the first ones, but in fact encode valuable information in their solutions. For your hypothesis to be true, it should be impossible for the second problem to cost less energy than the first?
BingoBoingo: Also ironic, how pissed would the whales be if they knew we used the same word for our losers and their dicks.
mircea_popescu: cads not at all. my lemma is more general, in your proposed terms it would be :
cads: BingoBoingo: right, I'm to tired to do that rigorously or even tell if why I said even makes sense.
BingoBoingo: For most naive attempts at implementations the second set would likely be simpler and cheaper than the first
mircea_popescu: should an algorithm exist to resolve the problem of ts on randomly distributed graphs, an application of that algorithm on a selected set of graphs with a useful application will cost more than the normal by an ammount at least equal to the cost of computing the useful application.
BingoBoingo: I mean for the first set you could probably encode information much as RSA does. I don't have enough vodka on hand to speculate if that would be a good idea. Most of Elliptic curve cryptography works on spaces that can be played with in graph theory world though.
mircea_popescu: ie, if on average your useless-pow block costs 1, the useful-pow will cost 1+ε, where ε >= the useful
cads: mircea_popescu: I don't feel it mathematically yet but I feel why we'd like this to hold, economically
BingoBoingo: In a world with Auroa coin and Mazacoin... THere is a good chance random graphs might mine better in tard efforts at implementation
mircea_popescu: to me it's quite straightforwardly obvious but im much too wasted to be able to show it.
cads: mircea_popescu: I think we should be able to test the hypothesis directly against the primecoin if we try hard enough
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Your lemma is sensical so long as it is restricted to hard POW's
cads: mircea_popescu: I feel the same here, for the opposite side
mircea_popescu: this is not unlike proving a given set of numbers is "random"
BingoBoingo: cads: Primecoin isn't even that cool at finding useful primes
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i suppose it degenerates into some sort of banal equality otherwise
Duffer1: not even primes, just cunningham prime chains
Duffer1: Riecoin is the one for large primes
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, most minds have their head splints set to promote that nowadays.
Duffer1: afaik the outcome of either cannot be guaranteed to yield a useful result beyond PoW
BingoBoingo: Interesting: Penrose's book doesn't have an index entry for "random"
mircea_popescu: i suppose actually my lemma may end up the equivalent of quantum indeterminacy, but for maths.
mircea_popescu: ie, if you don't look it costs 1, if you look worth ε it costs 1+ε and fuck you.
cads: "Hypothesis: if an algorithm's output provides proof of 1 unit of work, and that output is also usable to provide the equivalent of epsilon units of useful work for another problem, then the energy expenditure of the algorithm must be greater or equal to 1 + epsilon units of work."
BingoBoingo: If random existed it would have an index entry on page 1095 between "quantum reality" and "relatavistic quantum angular momentum"
Duffer1: not necessarily a scam, but certainly not reliable. Prime coin has produced measurable results beyond PoW utility
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cads: mircea_popescu: to formalize this completely we'll have to assume something like a polynomial time algorithm that converts the output of algorithm A into a solution for problem B.
cads: that's the only place for the e to come from, isn't it?
mircea_popescu: you can in principle sift through the history and find convenient cases for any particular problem
mircea_popescu: byt the idea here is that we promise some sort of result in the future.
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mircea_popescu: "turn this wheel and an egg will fall out every revolution and also a feather every ten revolutions" is okay, whereas
mircea_popescu: "turn this wheel and an egg will fall out every revolution, then look if any eggs have feathers attached" is not okay
Duffer1: that's pretty much how primecoin works lol
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cads: suppose we have algorithm A, and we have that a solution of A reduces polynomially solutions B, C, D, E, F, G...
MisterE: major LTC manipulation now
MisterE: Whale is swinging it around like a cat by its tail
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MisterE: not that I have ever done that to a cat
cads: mircea_popescu: we'll have an epsilon for each target problem, and maybe the cost of solving al the target problems starting from A must be greater than or equal to solving B, C, D... seperately.
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cads: mircea_popescu: I concur
Duffer1: MP read the Primecoin whitepapaer you'd like it
Duffer1: cads read the Reicoin whitepaper you'd like it ^.^
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cads: Duffer1: I do feel like we're arguing more from philosophical/economical principle that computation shouldn't give us two things for free - but this seems false.
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cads: for a really weaksauce example, say I take the square of a number x. In the result I've also computed the square of the number -x, and this for 'free'.
Duffer1: primecoin has already proven that hashing can produce utility beyond PoW
cads: MP's conjecture is that it must trade off utility between Pow and the secondary function
Duffer1: ya, i must disagree with that position
cads: same here but I have to say it's intriguing
Duffer1: mistere it does, but it's still a hashcash based PoW
BingoBoingo: NMC was thought to do useful shit, but miners won't commit transactions with useful data
cads: Duffer1: I've not heard of reicoin yet (I'd merely heard of primecoin half an hour ago)
VanCleef: is it possible to have a alt coin that doesn't require any miners to verify it? once its sent its instantly confirmed?
Duffer1: riecoin's pow attempts to find prime sextuplets to generate absurdly long prime numbers
cads: I want to see a cryptocurrency backed in automated service provider contracts
cads: whatever that means :)
cads: VanCleef: sounds like you want to set up a kind of test network?
VanCleef: its just awkward when doing a face trade with someone and they ask if they can sleep over while waiting for it to confirm
VanCleef: i sat with a guy for 8 hours at starbucks once and i ran out of things to talk about about an hour
cads: VanCleef: a test network holds no market value so it'll confirm quick but mean zip
kakobrekla: meh, blockchain buys rtbtc, everything goes to shit.
Mats_cd03: whatever the tx fee in the ref client is, double it, problem solved
VanCleef: i'll remember that for next time mats
Mats_cd03: the confirmation delay is something altcoins have experimented with
BingoBoingo: So blockchain.info started looking really sickly really fast.
MisterE: last week they were the big news on Bloomberg
MisterE: the start of this down trend
BingoBoingo: Like Blockchain.info when from being useful, cultured manure to straight up salmonella liquishits
MisterE: users leavig btce in droves
MisterE: looks like Stamp is the new king
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BingoBoingo: So... Mark Shuttleworth just can't demand a display server work
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davout: ;;later tell mircea_popescu deposits pl0x
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gribble: Error: "tslc" is not a valid command.
gribble: Time since last block: 29 minutes and 2 seconds
nubbins`: so there's this escrow guy on the forums, saltyspitoon
nubbins`: was gonna leave him some wot ratings
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dub: fuck you bitcoin, fuck you in the goat ass
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Neil: Damn these blocks getting scarce
Neil: <mircea_popescu> Neil since you mentioned jtd, you ever read the original mpoe prospectus ? << I have, probably twice. What's the connection?
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Neil: The last 2 weeks are the first time in a long time at least 50% of the time I open blockchain.info it shows a block over 1hr old.
Neil: It's like a mini-inflation shock. History shows they take about 2 months to feed into the price. June 2016 with the halving is gonna be epic.
Neil: Nov 12 led to a 100x price in 1yr
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Neil: Mr Derek Dick was one heck of a lyricist.
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Neil: Derek William Dick. What a guy.
Neil: "Singing psychedelic praises to the depths of a China bowl"
Neil: "You've got venom in your stomach, you've got poison in your head"
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Neil: He knows, you know, he knows, you know, he knows, you know, but he's got problems!"
blackwhite: so one bitcoin could potentially be subdivided into "infinite" sub sets right?
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Neil: blackwhite: One bitcoin is one bitcoin. To what extent one agrees to subdivide it is but a mere footnote. The default assumption amongst market participants, owing to history, is 100m "satoshis" are a bitcoin.
Neil: Which probably to Mr Satoshi 5 years ago seemed like a pipe-dream, but now is starting to feel like a low-ball
blackwhite: Yeah the reason why I ask is. If for some reason suddenly 10million bit coins go lost that basically would mean the end of the currency, but couldn't that somehow be countered by splitting each bitcoin so we deal in satoshis instead? Asking because I can't wrap my head around that problem
blackwhite: i.e. it's not impossible to imagine large sums of bitcoin dissapear
Neil: "Yeah the reason why I ask is. If for some reason suddenly 10million bit coins go lost that basically would mean the end of the currency" uhh please explain that big underspecified jump in logic.
Neil: It *would* mean everyone else's suddenly got worth a lot more, but the end? You don't understand.
Neil: But re splitting, absolutely, you get it.
Neil: blackwhite: First thing to understand is most the shit you read in the media isn't a "problem", it's just the guy writing the article's "problem"
Neil: decide for yourself
Neil: blackwhite: If there are 100kg of gold in the world, and then 20kg disappear, then what?
Neil: Nothing, just it's cool if you own some of that 20kg that is left. That is all.
blackwhite: yeah but consider this argument for instance: "If Bitcoin matured into a complete currency, with large numbers of workers using it as their medium of account, then its inflexibility could bring economic havoc. Money-supply “shocks”, like the disappearance of Mt Gox, could set off a systemic collapse. Given a loss of faith in exchanges, users might withdraw their coins in a panic, leading to a dangerous decline in transaction volume. Such
blackwhite: hoarding could threaten Bitcoin’s status as a medium of exchange, leading to its complete demise as a currency.
blackwhite: Reputable exchanges with large institutional holdings could help stem such panics by advertising a willingness to sell their Bitcoins to meet liquidity demand. Yet because Bitcoin reserves are finite, users may not find the promise credible. By contrast, central banks with the inexhaustible resources of the printing press face no such inconvenient constraints."
Neil: blackwhite: I don't know where to start. Maybe start thinking for yourself and stop drinking the logical fallacies?
blackwhite: i am just saying thats an argument being put out there
Neil: It's Keynesian claptrap and the opposite of reality.
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Neil: Arguments don't matter though. Ownership transfer does.
Neil: Just act in your own self interest and ignore the noise
blackwhite: well to be honest I am not so much interested in bitcoin as a currency but more as a technology. I don't mine but purely trade my services for bitcoin. So its all good
Neil: Good for you. That's all we need - volountary interaction.
Neil: Of course, as a speculator I believe you'd benefit by holding, but I don't begrudge you deciding what to do with your own money. Hopefully vice versa.
Neil: My belief is that bitcoin will succeed for one simple reason, whose power almost eveyrone underestimates (apart from Satoshi): people will come to realise holding bitcoin is in their own best interest. And everything else will follow, in the future as it already has, from $0.01 to $500. Nothing has changed.
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Neil: And boy do I look forward to the day I can travel the world and spend bitcoin. I think it's only 2 years away.
blackwhite: yeah that is why I am also trying to get bit coins by doing what I do best. Interface design, product design, branding etc.
Neil: blackwhite: Good for you. Keep true to that and you will succeed.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26400 @ 0.00079805 = 21.0685 BTC [-] {3}
Neil: blackwhite: The world is your oyster. Whether your customer is an Iranian or a Korean. Who gives a fuck apart from those who benefit by dividing us.
blackwhite: FedGovt dollars are *debt instruments*. #Bitcoin is first chance for little investor to say enough. Tea Party & Occupy both see it's value.
Neil: Yeah it'll take time, but it'll happen. I'm 100% sure.
blackwhite: so what are some of the models people use to make money with bit coins besides mining?
Neil: blackwhite: There's nothing wrong with just sitting on your coins. Just make sure they're safe.
blackwhite: Neil not saying there is just interested in some of the models out there
ozbot: Developer Guide - Bitcoin
blackwhite: trying to learn as much as possible about this field
Neil: Sure. I think some of MP's businesses are interesting. Just they're trading at an insane premium IMO, because of lack of credible alternatives. Make your own decision.
Neil: And if he's run over by a bus tomorrow, what are you left holding?
Neil: Something of very unclear value IMO.
Neil: And he's clearly playing in an unclear tax / regulatory state. (Not that I blame him at all). But take it into account.
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blackwhite: In other words there is room for competition?
Neil: blackwhite: Absolutely
Neil: But I'm not claiming it'd be easy; I'm quite sure it'd be very tough
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nubbins`: Neil: problem with most things on mpex is low volume
nubbins`: so it's pretty easy to swing prices
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.075 = 0.525 BTC [-]
nubbins`: ignoring mpoe, you're looking at ~1btc/24h across all assets
nubbins`: but, y'know, don't bother vaccinating your kids
ozbot: Foreigners Sell A Record Amount, Over $100 Billion, Of Treasurys Held By The Fed In Past Week | Zero
Diablo-D3: $100 billion is about 1% of treasury bonds.
Diablo-D3: so zerohedge fails to be relevant yet again
mircea_popescu: somewhere in the middle. it's not what they make it out to be, but it is a blip
mircea_popescu: pretty much all depends on whether tomorrow is 1.x trillion or not.
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VanCleef: question is mpex a registered business?
nubbins`: Diablo-D3: they fail at html too
Diablo-D3: VanCleef: not in any nation that metters
VanCleef: ohokey cool,like in the country you live or is it offshored?
mircea_popescu: it does not live in any country. it. is. a. bitcoin. business.
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but we were discussing homo americanus neh ?
VanCleef: hehe ok so i guess its not incoporated ina traditional sense,like google or facebook is
mircea_popescu: not any more than google or facebook are incorporated in a proper sense, such as mpex is.
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform beheaded may be going a little far, but la petite mort however...
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nubbins`: and reminds me of a website i came across years ago
Diablo-D3: I would like to classify feminists as girls who are afraid to grow up and become women
nubbins`: i would like to sit back and have a lel as you folks define feminism
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mircea_popescu: nubbins` the mistaken notion that while socialism (ie, the salvation of the members of the group through recourse to the group) doesn't work, subsets of this (such as, the salvation of women by recourse to the group) do somehow magically work.
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mircea_popescu: because for people that were too fucking lazy and high on their own farts to pay attention in school,
mircea_popescu: proving something like x^2 > 2x is not sufficient, we then have to go individually and show that 4^2 > 8, 5^2 > 10 etc etc
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artifexd: nubbins` Revisit your mark-karpeles link and lol
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TomServo: Shareholder David Witt, who has a stake valued at about $8,650 based on yesterday’s closing price, proposed the measure, stating that Berkshire has “more money than it needs” and that the board should consider the investors who aren’t billionaires.
blackwhite: well that might be but thats hardly an argument :)
blackwhite: it doesn't really matter cause even if it has a point it's not really the point.
ThickAsThieves: and no economic shockwaves will happen due to it or bitcoin's eventual shift from inflationary to static supply
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ozbot: Developer Guide - Bitcoin
bounce: skipped the standard issue FUDwords artcle for the abstract of the paper. it reads like the ecdsa equivalent of the cache hit/miss sidechannel gpg key snatch. ie, don't run bitcoin transactions on shared or even virtual anything boxes. no running wallets on ec2, say.
Apocalyptic: and that applies to all these timing side channels attacks
ThickAsThieves: ah i somehow assumed they were talking about mining for some reason
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mircea_popescu: it's not even fucking hard to reimplement gpg without caching
mircea_popescu: or for that matter, with fake cache hits for the lulz.
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ozbot: “You cannot fix a machine by just power-cycling it with no understanding of what is going wrong.â€
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Diablo-D3: and its the step on the list before reinstalling windows
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.23928170 BTC to 3`785 shares, 59162 satoshi per share
VanCleef: what you working on atm ThickAsThieves ?
ThickAsThieves: to be even less descriptive, I'm not sure what I want to do next
ozbot: The Holy Rats of Karni Mata ~ The Ark In Space
VanCleef: yeh i think i'm the same atm, bitfunder really cursed me, cant seem to make any winning moves since then
mircea_popescu: i'll probably dedicate my retirement to loling my ass off over fringe repackaging of anglosaxon bs.
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VanCleef: what's the craziest thing you'vedone in thelast 2 months mircea?
mircea_popescu: the shit i do ain't crazy, it has its own internal logic.
nubbins`: TIL you can freeze old cheddar with impunity
nubbins`: idly wondering why the fuck nobody told me this before
mircea_popescu: nubbins` most hard cheeses freeze just fine, tho the purists don't want to admit it.
ThickAsThieves: “Stay away from it,” he said, according to a transcript. “It’s a mirage basically.”
VanCleef: oh yeah i was reading that before, uncle buff makes some good points
ThickAsThieves: “I hope bitcoin becomes a better way of doing it,” he said, but “the idea that it has intrinsic value is a joke.”
mircea_popescu: it has a lot of economic goodwill, of the actual varietyt
mircea_popescu: uncle buff should know all about it, or at least did, cca early 80s
pLambert: mircea_popescu: you seem to hate on NEOBEE much, you think they will fail?
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mircea_popescu: this has little to do with failure or success, you know, even a blind dog gets a duck once.
nubbins`: old cheddar, red onion, orange bell pepper, mixed greens, mayo on sourdough
nubbins`: i'd masturbate if my hands were free
VanCleef: i dont know if you guys use cryptostocks but there's like 1 guy on there running about 5 scams atm, its shitty
ThickAsThieves: it took a long time to sort them, but it turns out there are some pretty good vegan cheeses being made
mircea_popescu: VanCleef im just sitting back and enjoying deprived's predicament re cryptoscammocks,. atm
Apocalyptic: VanCleef, a well known fact cryptostocks is full of scams
VanCleef: i'm sure there's a couple of good gems in there
VanCleef: tho share price is doing badly
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mircea_popescu: cads i doubt the square of x and -x can count as different problems in this context.
VanCleef: i was watching this report on colorado w33d vendors who had 2 problems, 1. they couldn't get business bank accounts cause banks were scared 2. they were dealing with massif loads of cash and had to hire like ex mercenary types of p33ps to move the fiat for them.
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ThickAsThieves: vancleef didnt obama tell banks to ease up on weed growers?
VanCleef: i dont know i tune out whenever oh bummer talks
mircea_popescu: MisterE: looks like Stamp is the new king <<< markets centralize.
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mircea_popescu: Neil i was curious what your estimated jtd would be, at the time of the 2nd tranche ipo of mpoe. ie, two years ago to the day.
VanCleef: in the future people will be saying "man i just got stamped"
pLambert: doesn't have the same ring as I just got Goxxed, but it makes more sense linguistically
mircea_popescu: blackwhite none of those pieces of crud are arguments. they're just flaming ignorance being stubbornly presented by people who are too haughty to read trilema. all that shit's been debunked there cca 2012.
nubbins`: it's almost too good to leave ratings on
mircea_popescu: Neil the thing is, unless bitcoin gets to make the rules we're wasting our time here.
mircea_popescu: bitcoin isn't "a currency" nor much of a "medium of exchange" at all. it's a substitute for government is what it is. in all its forms, from actual electoral validation processes to deciding where you eat today, and how much.
nubbins`: ^ it's true, bitcoin chose the cheese sandwich for me
mircea_popescu: aristotle's politics just became second rate in the field of revolutionary. nakamoto's paper easily takes the top spot
nubbins`: bit of a convoluted process, but yeah
nubbins`: hmm, sourdough starter for btc, shipped worldwide
chetty: customs just might object nubbins'
nubbins`: the starter itself is just a wild yeast colony that lives in a home of flour and water
nubbins`: chetty, maybe -- i know lots of places in san francisco ship dried starter worldwide
nubbins`: it's the sort of thing that you could make yourself from scratch, but why do that when you can purchase an established starter that's already developed its own taste and characteristics?
mircea_popescu: nubbins` thought : whether you do this or not, do the following : make a website follow the generations.
chetty: cause catching the yeast yourself is more fun!
mircea_popescu: then if you actually sell it down the road, you have a history. if you scrap the thing, whatever. a website.
nubbins`: i made mine from scratch about a year and a half ago
nubbins`: there are places in san fran that have been using the same starter for >150 years
nubbins`: pretty much a different species at that point
nubbins`: er yeah, that's what i meant ;(
mircea_popescu: tho... i don't suppose they actually are isolated you know ?
nubbins`: "it's not even yeast anymore!"
chetty: it does improve with age, mostly
mircea_popescu: new bugs fall in and contribute genetic material prolly all the time
nubbins`: the big no-no is feeding your starter with anything but plain white flour
nubbins`: that said, yeast is in the air all around us
nubbins`: you can train your starter, too
nubbins`: get it used to different feeding schedules
nubbins`: some people feed 2x daily, others 1x
nubbins`: the starter adapts pretty easily
nubbins`: anyway bbl gotta install some venting
chetty: good grief, once a week is plenty
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BitChrista: mircea_popescu, what wuestions do you have about CoinVox?
BitChrista: We are a payment processing platform that allows politicians/ people running for office to accept donations in Bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: so do you have some particular angle for that market that puts you in a better position than say bitpay ?
BitChrista: Soon they will be able to accept all cryptocurrencies. We will likely branch out to non-profits and social impact as well
ThickAsThieves: how does it differ from them accepting it directly or via coinbase/bitpay?
mircea_popescu: bitbet is in crazy mode again, doing 50 btc a day and shit.
BitChrista: There are many regulations for politicians already with just accepting cash donations, It's a little trickier with Bitcoin. I also work for a web marketing company that works with candidates so we know all the regulations and compliance. So we just have the upperhand in the fact that we know how to stay in legal boundaries.
BitChrista: ThickAsThieves, I'm sure we will encounter AML at some point but haven't yet.
BitChrista: We want everything to be done legally, no laundering.
BitChrista: Even though we are non-partisan, I'm excited because we know which party has all the Bitcoin
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mircea_popescu: yeah the diff bets are a major part of bitbet, mostly because it's one of the few places where btc holders are well connected to the economy.
mircea_popescu: BitChrista so are you keeping a list of "Best For Bitcoin" politicos somewhere ?
chetty: BitChrista I doubt many bitcoiners are either party really
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mircea_popescu: and also branson, and a number of other people who have little to nothing to do with bitcoin ?
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ThickAsThieves: oh yeah nubbins, i wanted to note that toffoo also had a top 5000 account on that gox trader list
BitChrista: mircea_popescu, I've been doing some research. I have a solid list, mostly of those running for congress. People are starting to come to us though which is nice
mircea_popescu: In insurance, as elsewhere, the reaction of weak managements to weak operations is often weak accounting. (“It’s difficult for an empty sack to stand upright.”)
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mircea_popescu: BitChrista that's nice. anyway, fyi, this is the place where bitcoin finance is hatched, so, probably worth your time to lurk.
mircea_popescu: gotta meet politics with finance or else what good is it.
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mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves toffoo is old time, prolly pre-2013 most of it
ThickAsThieves: an important thing to keep in mind looking at the list
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BitChrista: mircea_popescu thank you for introducing me to this chat room. I completely agree, once Bitcoin is in politics it'll be untouchable.
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mircea_popescu: there's about a billion or so worth of bitcoins represented here, and likely more reachable because the logs make popular morning newspapers for many people
ThickAsThieves: most likely way itll end up in politics and wall st is via greed though
mircea_popescu: there's more to be made serving bitcoin interest than serving ws interest today, for the young aspiring politician
ThickAsThieves: i guess any motivation to have people with a clue going into politics is helpful
chetty: they will, politicians smell money
mircea_popescu: the situation is roughly similar with "there's more to be made financing silicon valley cca 1960 than financing banking or energy sector stocks".
ThickAsThieves: 'm not sure why anything worth anything would choose a life in politics
BitChrista: mircea_popescu were you really? I feel like that would weather someone down fast
Duffer1: wow i did not see that coming MP
mircea_popescu: BitChrista if you think that'd wear someone down, try being mp for a week :D
nubbins`: chetty: once a week?! your poor starter :(
Duffer1: being american i suppose i forgot there's non american politics out there..
BitChrista: Still, please show me a *happy* politician
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves you gotta appreciate, romanian politics 1990-2005 much more interesting than anything anyone's seen i nthe us.
nubbins`: chetty: well, to be fair, that's fine for maintenance -- i've gone as long as two months without feeding mine and successfully revived it -- but i bake every 3 or 4 days
nubbins`: ThickAsThieves: saw toffoo's name there. half of -otc is on the list
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mircea_popescu: but anyway, for self-c0k stroking purposes : i was one in the "secret circle" of romanian national liberal party, which went from making 3% in an alliance to making its own government by the time i left romania.
mircea_popescu: then i quit it in 2008, at the time it was in power. it looks like it will make... about 3% next electoral cycle.
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nubbins`: ain't no party like a liberal party
mircea_popescu: nubbins` in the east liberal means you know, right of conservative.
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mircea_popescu: this socialist re-defining of liberal is a purely us thing.
mircea_popescu: but yeah, liberal canonically means, no government, no regulation, free market etc.
nubbins`: funny how it means the opposite some places now
mircea_popescu: in romanian parlance of the time, the opposition (ie, what the us bipartisanly does) was called.... communism.
nubbins`: ThickAsThieves: and you still have your eyes?
mircea_popescu: in the sense that "this is just the old pcr stuff rehashed"
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ThickAsThieves: i dont understand why they are dragging it out over so many installments
nubbins`: shoulda called it "readers shrugged"
nubbins`: Duffer1: we can't because she died on welfare D;
nubbins`: canada has a communist party, can't say i know much about their operations
mircea_popescu: it might, as a private joke of some bored people somewhere
nubbins`: they might get a vote or two every federal election
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so was it teh putin that sold all those bonds earlier ?
nubbins`: about 30% of it was me exiting my position
nubbins`: pascale agreed to do a 3-hour screenprinting class down at the textiles school today
nubbins`: asciilifeform: for reasons i still don't quite understand
nubbins`: but hey, people were into limp bizkit
nubbins`: it's not often i give up on a book partway through
nubbins`: quite infrequently after i pass the 400-page mark
nubbins`: atlas shrugged... what a fuckin beat-off
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's just an ancient system doing various net stuff
mircea_popescu: i may be the only buyer left for spun drives and crt monitors in a 100 mile radius
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic ayup. the magic that you know and love as my endless spam is hatched on electron excitated phosphorus coatings.
ThickAsThieves: i got rid of my last crt a couple years ago, a huge trinitron
nubbins`: ThickAsThieves: did ya pop it?
mod6: holy shit asciilifeform
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this was if memory serves a 1992 seagate.
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nubbins`: you have to pay $50 to leave a crt at the dump here
nubbins`: but they mostly turn a blind eye
nubbins`: given that the alternative is illegal dumping, of which there's already too much
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 45 @ 0.00334 = 0.1503 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: makes sense, isnt there like 8lbs of lead in the big ones
mircea_popescu: yeah, they mostly reuse them. as long as you give it up clean/sorted (ie, not covered in rotten meatjuices or w/e common garbage) they usually give you a few cents/kg
mircea_popescu: most people just leave the stuff outside on set dates for the dump workers to collect it (they get the respective cents themselkves, sort of like a tip)
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform or live in a country where they fix shit.
nubbins`: ^ not sure if i'm for or against
nubbins`: on one hand, great way to get people to give blood
nubbins`: on the other hand, great way to get junkies to lie about their past
nubbins`: on the other other hand, they test all the blood anyway
ThickAsThieves: mp i wonder if part of your reason for needing super large text isnt your crt ;)
mircea_popescu: and a good crt is way better than the best lcd/lft we you'll ever find.
nubbins`: anyway these "paid donation clinics" weren't even operated by canadian blood services, nor were they collecting for transfusions
nubbins`: if CBS has a problem w/ shortages, maybe they should stop banning queers from donating blood
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves you know designers/print process ppl etc mostly use crts to this day
nubbins`: pantone or nothin' baby, don't trust the screen
mircea_popescu: nubbins` an electron cannon you can actually calibrate to work.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: not a big deal if you can't also calibrate the client's monitor
mircea_popescu: nubbins` but you're controlling the print process, what's the client to do
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: provide pantone colors ;)
pLambert: is there an api call that returns the number of shares of mpex stocks?
ThickAsThieves: yeah i used to calibrate all my shit with expensive stuff
mircea_popescu: pLambert no, the way this is done is that dividends and contracts list the share count.
ThickAsThieves: drove me crazy when i'd hunch over an employee whose monitor was outta whack
pLambert: so I have to read through the contracts and find the shares outstanding?
nubbins`: ThickAsThieves: amusing how often people don't realize
nubbins`: "why is everything tinted blue?" "what do you mean?"
pLambert: how do I get the div payments?
nubbins`: then ya fix it and they say "but it's all red now"
ThickAsThieves: another huge pet peeve i have is when the wife watches the non-hd tv channels
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1000 @ 0.00041694 = 0.4169 BTC [-] {5}
pLambert: is there a list somewhere of api commands?
nubbins`: i guess i'm not the only person who noticed topace/lightbox on that gox list
nubbins`: asciilifeform: monitors and chairs
mircea_popescu: Mar 04 11:22:27 <assbot>[MPEX] [S.MPOE] [PAID] 4,050.17291466 BTC to 500`000`000 shares, 810 satoshi per share
pLambert: nubbins`: HIF is still 4x my bid
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9611 @ 0.00080389 = 7.7262 BTC [+]
nubbins`: pLambert: fifty cents say no divs this quarter
pLambert: just this quarter? how bout this year?
mircea_popescu: a sad sympthom of a cash starved community of shoelace investors.
pLambert: says the guy who has the best track record of paying divs in bitcoins?
mircea_popescu: pLambert well yeah, but still. what's the average dividend across nyse index, 1950 to 1970 ?
nubbins`: unforseen expenses mumble mumble growth mumble
nubbins`: say, what type of cooking oil does everyone use?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform currently a 21 inch dell thing. i used to have a splendid 24 inch sony but hey.
nubbins`: i use evoo (a waste for frying, really) and it smokes too quickly
ThickAsThieves: Sony always flirting with being known for quality, then always fucking it up by being weird
nubbins`: i may switch to canola for frying
nubbins`: deep frying in the home is fuckin gross
nubbins`: i know some cast iron aficionados who only ever use bacon grease
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell bitcoinpete yul killed in that king of siam role :D
nubbins`: it's funny, the guy who runs javaranch.com (a friendly place for greenhorns!) turned me onto cast iron
nubbins`: anyone who spent any amount of time writing java is likely familiar with the site; few realize the guy who runs it is a real simple-living guy
nubbins`: teflon and other non-stick coatings are the biggest con
mircea_popescu: you can never get the shrimp properly cooked other than in a cast iron pot.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell bitcoinpete bt otherwise your article suffers from a very strangely naive approach. ever heard of a dicelist ?
nubbins`: i was in awe the first time i saw someone cook an omelette on cast iron
nubbins`: it SLID off the fucking pan onto the plate.
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ozbot: Octopus omlette pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
nubbins`: shamefully, it's impossible to buy a proper cast iron pan (i.e. one with a machined bottom) these days
nubbins`: you gotta do all the legwork yourself
nubbins`: or buy one on ebay from a rube who never bothered to learn how to use it
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell bitcoinpete ah i see it's in the footnote. but yeah, the select from a page process is very dubious (natural languages don't have equally distributed words, it's actually how zipf curves were discovered in the first palce)
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mircea_popescu: "Lenin seems to have believed that the party, as organized consciousness, consciousness as a decision-making machinery, had superior reasoning power. Indeed, in time this collective body took on an aura of infallibility, which was later elevated to a dogma, and a member’s loyalty was tested, in part, by his acceptance of it. It became part of the communist confession of faith to proclaim that the party was never wron
mircea_popescu: amusingly, this is narrowly mirrored by the all too fashionable ideea these days that there's some sort of wisdo min the crowds.
mircea_popescu: people firmly believe that codebases magically improve just by adding to them the *possibility* that someone might have read them
mircea_popescu: open source infallibility, the notion that wikipedia is in any sense an encyclopedia, everyone's obsession with crowd-sourcing and usg...
mircea_popescu: (quote via rockwell's restatement of rothbard's rand commentary)
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mircea_popescu: "In a development eerily reminiscent of the organized hatred directed against the arch-heretic Emanuel Goldstein in Orwell’s 1984, Rand cultists were required to sign a loyalty oath to Rand; essential to the loyalty oath was a declaration that the signer would henceforth never read any future works of the apostate and arch-heretic Branden."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 40.50883562 BTC to 80`674 shares, 50213 satoshi per share
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: TIL saltyspitoon was 16 when pirate left that feedback :o
nubbins`: the future is dangerous to middlemen too
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.04629968 = 0.1389 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: nj wants to extract taxes out of the deal. if nj people get hurt, nj wants to profit at least.
ThickAsThieves: these articles only speak of cutting out middle men and new franchise license requirements
ThickAsThieves: the concept of disallowing direct sales anywhere is what is boggling me
mircea_popescu: but the middle man makes some money, of which it pays some money.
ThickAsThieves: but isnt this about whats in the interest of the consumer?
ThickAsThieves: if it's about more opportunities to tax, why dont we have 3 layers of middle man
mircea_popescu: also, afaik nj is an important lobby stronghold for importers in that market.
mircea_popescu: chris christie wants to protect his career, he can't piss off the larger players
mircea_popescu: notrly, let enough do that then slap a surcharge on them
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.075 = 0.15 BTC [-]
ozbot: Mt. Gox leak Archive tricks people to install Bitcoin stealer Malware. | TechWorm
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves someone was saying a few days ago about all the bitching that thing caused in ##mtgox
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic was it just a renamed backoriffice for maximal lulz ?
ThickAsThieves: i imagine many were saved merely cuz they downloaded it to their phones
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ThickAsThieves: see the latest in whose advertising and what Erik has to say
mircea_popescu: it yields the illusion of being "part of the community"
mircea_popescu: im sure while it fails to produce much coin if at all, it produces tons of definitely very valuable "views"
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mircea_popescu: which you know, is what the economy of the bankrupt world degenerated into, the economy of views. of which unit of account is one "mom look at me! mom look! mo-om!"
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mircea_popescu: "Driven by their conception of rational duty, every Randian lived in – and indeed was himself – a community of spies and informers, ready to ferret out and denounce any deviations from Randian doctrine. Thus, one time a Randian, walking with a girl friend, told her that he had attended a party at which several Randians had made an impromptu tape imitating the voices of the top Randian leaders. Stricken by this dire
mircea_popescu: information and after spending a sleepless night, the girl rushed to inform the top leadership of this terrible transgression. Promptly, the leading participants were called on the carpet by their Objectivist Psychotherapist and bitterly denounced in their "therapy" sessions: "After all," said the therapist, "you wouldn’t mock God." When the owner of the tape refused the therapist’s demand to relinquish it so that
mircea_popescu: it could be inspected in detail, his doom as a member of the movement was effectively sealed."
mircea_popescu: ahaha this shit's too good. did this one actually happen ?
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TomServo: nubbins`: peanut oil has a high burn point, great for frying fish
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HeySteve: the first Diesel engine ran on peanut oil
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nubbins`: fish is the one thing that i dislike frying in cast iron
nubbins`: we usually buy skin-on salmon and it gums the fuck out of the pan
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nubbins`: hologram misspellings now an intentional feature, it seems
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mircea_popescu: nubbins` supposedly this is how art evolves. mistakes end up baked in by their success.
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mircea_popescu: so basically in rothbard's reading, this rand character is the quintessential balabusta, a staid, obnoxious, overarching yet profoundly ignorant and puritanical fat old woman.
mircea_popescu: me either. but from reading this i can't imagine the woman under 200ish lbs
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nubbins`: interesting how they capitalize Good Samaritans
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform guy shoulda started a police department instead of a frozen yogurt brand.
ozbot: Weak Apple PRNG Threatens iOS Exploit Mitigations - Slashdot
nubbins`: apparently it's worse than the old one.
mircea_popescu: apple aren't engineers, they're like yahoo. a media buying company.
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ozbot: Apple A6 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
nubbins`: designed by apple, stamped by samsung
ozbot: George Street girls topless for Kirill sparks outrage - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News
nubbins`: byline: "CBC has learned underage girls were among those photographed"
nubbins`: so much for your brand new nightclub, guys
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20300 @ 0.0008046 = 16.3334 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: from the club: "Due to the recent uproar caused by photos taken from our opening weekend, females [sic] patrons are advise [sic] of the following rule changes: 1) females are restricted from wearing clothes that expose more then 25 percent of there [sic] body. 2) exposure of breasts is strictly prohibited 3) the dance craze known as Twerking is banned until further notice. Other forms of dancing
nubbins`: will be acceptable if deemed non sexual by nature."
nubbins`: TWERKING BANNED UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE
ozbot: Scanning Capacitance Microscopy – SCM » Bruker Blog
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.10099999 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.60702 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10488 @ 0.00080222 = 8.4137 BTC [-]
Apocalyptic: asciilifeform, do you have something to recommend for hardware RNGs ?
ozbot: BitBet - Fico will be elected President of Slovakia
mircea_popescu: jurov so how's that look, is the guy winning or what ?
ozbot: Canadian lawsuit to seek $500-million from Mt. Gox bitcoin exchange - The Globe and Mail
dignork: mircea_popescu, complicated question, but not from India :)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.11950724 = 0.3585 BTC [-]
dignork: mircea_popescu, let's say from USSR
mircea_popescu: well why do i speak english, im not from scotland, you know ?
BingoBoingo: tim-tams: Not for too long, going out drinking soon
dignork: mircea_popescu, just a popular language
nubbins`: don't panic, we're sorta germanic
tim-tams: BingoBoingo why did you want to burn youmeandbtc.com with fire? haha
BingoBoingo: tim-tams: Looks too modern, also too much empty space
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.006099 = 0.1525 BTC [+]
dignork: mircea_popescu, historically we might be, but it was too long ago
mircea_popescu: dignork anyway, the honest answer is that i've greatly overstated what's likely happenstance to make an otherwise valid and much more general point.
tim-tams: To me I always thought the design was badish and it was way too busy
BingoBoingo: tim-tams: Maybe that's the part that makes me a bit queasy
BingoBoingo: tim-tams: Something about it just doesn't look right
tim-tams: BingoBoingo well, tonight that site should be gone
BingoBoingo: tim-tams: Unstyled html lists and tables are the new marble columns and granite steps
tim-tams: BingoBoingo: does that mean good or bad?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 44 @ 0.00339999 = 0.1496 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19400 @ 0.00079714 = 15.4645 BTC [-]
dub: I refuse to open a goddamn pdf on such a topic
nubbins`: dub: in summary it says blah blah mumble blah
dub moves lawn people along
dignork: dub, youtube can serve html5 video, if you believe it's better than flash
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00339999 = 0.68 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.075 = 0.15 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32350 @ 0.00080281 = 25.9709 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 49 @ 0.11950724 = 5.8559 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 81 @ 0.00349362 = 0.283 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 101 @ 0.00349398 = 0.3529 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 12000 @ 0.00333023 = 39.9628 BTC [-] {9}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6188999 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14750 @ 0.00079827 = 11.7745 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: can you have both a gpg and bitcoin registration in the same WoT listing?
ThickAsThieves: I see the hint of instructions on how to change it, but not clear on whether it just replaces it
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.60602 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: lol WSJ has been making many typos lately "Weibo, Twitter’s China, Files for IPO in the U.S."
ThickAsThieves: Today, the US government gave up a major portion of its control over the day-to-day functions of the internet, as the US Department of Commerce announced it was giving up its oversight role over ICANN"
ozbot: Watch Rep. Jared Polis Subject Cash to the Bitcoin-Regulation Test - Hit & Run : Reason.com
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 14 @ 0.04525202 = 0.6335 BTC [-] {7}
dub: dealing with support people at a chinese supplier named Judith, Englebert and Romeo
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 43 @ 0.07186395 = 3.0901 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 26 @ 0.11950724 = 3.1072 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 57 @ 0.00349397 = 0.1992 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 184 @ 0.00356026 = 0.6551 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.07398797 = 0.222 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 32 @ 0.0036381 = 0.1164 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 204 @ 0.0036797 = 0.7507 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24085 @ 0.00079933 = 19.2519 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9965 @ 0.00079708 = 7.9429 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 46 @ 0.04500191 = 2.0701 BTC [-] {3}