mike_c: i'm oddly fascinated. full list?
mike_c: 80 lines a day, not bad benkay.
dexX7: haha awesome and kinda unexpected
mike_c: 400 lines a day, plus trilema. and people think he has sock puppets too. more likely there are 3 people typing as mp :)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 325 @ 0.00239999 = 0.78 BTC [+] {2}
mike_c: who knew ascii talked so much?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4950 @ 0.00093403 = 4.6234 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 300 @ 0.00238499 = 0.7155 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07287978 = 0.1458 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 367 @ 0.0024112 = 0.8849 BTC [+] {4}
Apocalyptic: you're using /dev/urandom as a source of entropy ?
Apocalyptic: given /dev/urandom is already using /dev/random as one
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 450 @ 0.00242963 = 1.0933 BTC [+] {2}
pankkake: rngd feeds /dev/random with /dev/urandom basically
tg2: Rngd uses more entropy points
Apocalyptic: am I the only one who finds that utterly wrong ?
tg2: And fills it into urandom
Apocalyptic: The -r or --rng-device options can be used to select an alternate source of input
pankkake: it's not that simple but yes you really should use better sources
Apocalyptic: <tg2> Rngd uses more entropy points // not in your case
tg2: Pankkake thx I'll check it out
ozbot: pisg - Perl IRC Statistics Generator :: Home
mike_c: slow and steady gets you somewhere hopefully
kakobrekla: i would have to fiddle with it anyway.
tg2: Probably trivial to build a definition
pankkake: the lazyest version would probably be to output the logs to a recognized format
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 90 @ 0.00242994 = 0.2187 BTC [-] {2}
ozbot: Researches find Android apps that covertly mine Dogecoin, one of them with more than a million downl
☟︎ benkay: what, asciilifeform generates more -assets lines than me?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0478 = 0.1434 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17450 @ 0.00093361 = 16.2915 BTC [-]
tg2: Not even using gpus, what is this amateur hour?
MisterE: BTC in the shitter, LTC on the operating table but it;s spring in Crimea :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10279 @ 0.00093391 = 9.5997 BTC [+]
moiety: lolol kakobrekla mine isn't as bad as i thought it would be in that lines list XD
moiety: asciilifeform: did you see MOTD? someone on reddit did it after i posted to photoshopbattles lol
MisterE: " Russian Bear Rising - After swallowing Crimea, Putin’s emboldened regime looks for more prey "
ozbot: front lines: Russian Bear Rising - After swallowing Crimea, Putin’s emboldened regime looks for mo
assbot: [MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0.0025 / 0.0025 / 0.0025 (432 shares, 1.08 BTC), 7D: 0.0025 / 0.0025 / 0.0025 (432 shares, 1.08 BTC), 30D: 0.0019005 / 0.00214608 / 0.0025 (3831 shares, 8.22 BTC)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 250 @ 0.00244489 = 0.6112 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 190 @ 0.00244489 = 0.4645 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00093347 = 9.428 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 784 @ 0.00244489 = 1.9168 BTC [+] {3}
moiety: Apocalyptic: sounds even wors here >> £54.16 lol
moiety: it will be a shopping list in hoax form
ozbot: Very angry kitty at the Zoo. - YouTube
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16200 @ 0.00093259 = 15.108 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12585 @ 0.00093391 = 11.7533 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 173 @ 0.00230371 = 0.3985 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 19 @ 0.00600002 = 0.114 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 94 @ 0.00231029 = 0.2172 BTC [+] {3}
MisterE: those the lions they killed?
MisterE: that zoo should rename itself The Butchery
MisterE: srsly though they were following good practice
MisterE: just americans hide that stuff behind closed doors
PANIC_SELL_NOW: no point in denying the truth, bitcoin is banned in china, the chinese brought us from $250 to $1000. and we'll go right back down to $250
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20245 @ 0.0009317 = 18.8623 BTC [-] {2}
ozbot: Bitcoin Prices Plunge on Report PBOC Orders Accounts Shut - Bloomberg
MisterE: at 250 I'll take cash from the CCs
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7350 @ 0.00093391 = 6.8642 BTC [+]
noCHINA: did MPEX ever end up giving the SEC satoshidice info?
tg2: We're the investors in satdice even linked to anything materially? Wasn't it all crypto?
Duffer1: there may be an ongoing discussion we're not aware of though
noCHINA: back under $500.... down we go
benkay: who are you, noCHINA ?
Duffer1: tg2 i believe they're just interested in vorhees, not necessarily investors
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1760 @ 0.00093119 = 1.6389 BTC [-]
noCHINA: no bitcoin in CHINA allowed
noCHINA: i lost 50 BTC today on bitfinex because of china. so no china allowed from now on
tg2: 0x31FAA963C3333333.sec.gpg
tg2: Can you migrate wot identity to a new key if you sign it with the old?
benkay: tg2: for a technical dude you sure don't in2 research
tg2: Yah cause I built wot
tg2: I'm a big proponent you know
Mats_cd03: have you two been trolling each other for hours
tg2: No I was actually working today
MisterE: tg2: you're never going to register with gpg and you know it :p
gribble: User 'tg2', with keyid 4BCCE0D63E7F049F, fingerprint 54D7E1FD9B9319BE3939878B4BCCE0D63E7F049F, and bitcoin address None, registered on Thu Mar 27 03:33:09 2014, last authed on Thu Mar 27 03:33:09 2014.
http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=tg2 . Currently authenticated from hostmask tg2!~tg2@205.204.66.35 .
benkay: anyone running a pool on how long it takes tg2 to get rated by someone we know?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7350 @ 0.00093032 = 6.8379 BTC [-]
benkay: mpoe over 90k all of a sudden
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 494.55, Best ask: 497.0, Bid-ask spread: 2.45000, Last trade: 497.0, 24 hour volume: 54285.48238278, 24 hour low: 466.1, 24 hour high: 571.5, 24 hour vwap: 520.280688897
Duffer1: are options trading again?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25569 @ 0.00093003 = 23.7799 BTC [-] {2}
tg2: one fud article about China
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25917 @ 0.00093069 = 24.1207 BTC [+] {2}
Duffer1: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:ff6180ec615df6b5ca3a3db746b31eab308de699c0a301f6b3bf22ef
gribble: You are now authenticated for user Duffer1 with key D5B0A00741A54A60
Duffer1: "This user has not authenticated for more than 104 days. If you are currently talking to someone who claims to be this person, you are probably talking to an impostor and scammer." hehe
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00093391 = 6.3506 BTC [+]
tg2: I rekon I could get a key id with 10 characters the same
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.00230673 = 1.1534 BTC [-] {5}
ozbot: BBC News - Wal-Mart sues Visa for fixing price of credit card fees
Duffer1: i don't see why they even need to sue
Duffer1: they could simply stop accepting visa
MisterE: not accepting visa would be a death sentence for most retailers
MisterE: its what enables debit cards to work
mircea_popescu: ae worked on exclusive deals with many retailers for ages.
mircea_popescu: mc tried something similar with much less success about once a decade since the 80s
MisterE: but if you dont have a credit card and only a bank account with a debit card the visa system is what allows you to use it to make purchases
MisterE: and thats how 90% of America shops
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20925 @ 0.00093408 = 19.5456 BTC [+] {3}
ozbot: The Fierce Battle for the Soul of Bitcoin | Wired Enterprise | Wired.com
mircea_popescu: MisterE perhaps 90% of statistics are made up on the spot.
ozbot: Get ready to have your biometrics tracked 24/7 (Wired UK)
MisterE: maybe that was but it's the vast majority
MisterE: everyone shops int he US with plastic
MisterE: these aren't prepaid electron cards
MisterE: these are bank issued debit cards with the visa logo
MisterE: that makes them able to be used for purchases at most major retailers
mircea_popescu: o look at that, wired article about "the soul of bitcoin", in terms of "two schmucks no one heard of or cares about"
MisterE: also it is your bank ATM card
MisterE: don't you have an equivalent in Europe?
MisterE: hell even backwards Thailand has it
mircea_popescu: TestingUnoDosTre subkeys you generate off a main key aren't more anonymous than the main key.
MisterE: use of credit and debit cards, that use the visa network, for shopping is prolific in the US and any retailer who didn't accept them would be suicide. <- Are you arguing against that statement mircea_popescu ?
mircea_popescu: i'm even arguing against your counting ability, that's about five statements right there.
chetty: MisterE, people just dont use plastic much here
MisterE: where is here? I'm talking about the US
MisterE: here in Thailand it's much less as well.
ozbot: Why Don't More Small Businesses Accept Credit Cards - Forbes
noCHINA: orderbook thinning out... 1000 BTC moves price $40 now
Duffer1: what would happen to retailers if the debit card ceased to exist?
mircea_popescu: "Credit and debit cards are nearly as common as cash. "
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24300 @ 0.00093265 = 22.6634 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: "But data from Intuit shows that 55 percent of the nation’s 27 million small businesses do not accept credit cards."
MisterE: we're not talkign about small retailers / mom & pop restaurants
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 528.97, vol: 54883.57384786 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 523.999, vol: 24612.3518 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 530.0, vol: 48075.95147316 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 539.4, vol: 302.41934332 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 505.82175, vol: 12461.19300000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 538.28324, vol: 45.71503217 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 529.143997251, vol: 355.19673065 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message)
noCHINA: Visa should just drop teh minimum per-swipe charge and go straight %. they'd make more
mircea_popescu: credit cards means american express, visa and mastercard, in that order.
noCHINA: walmart suing VISA for $5 billion
MisterE: yes at mom & pop stores where you spend $10 you pay cash
MisterE: when you go to a supermarket and stock up for the week you use a card
mircea_popescu: MisterE unless you're one of the govt poor using the govt's own plastic, which is neither visa nor mc etc.
mircea_popescu: so in general : i understand you're living your own life. you'll have to understand your own life is irrelevant.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13600 @ 0.0009347 = 12.7119 BTC [+]
MisterE: you're making assumptions that I;m extrapolating what I do to others
mircea_popescu: "<MisterE> we're not talkign about small retailers" / "<MisterE> and any retailer who didn't accept them would be suicide"
MisterE: I've lived out of the US for 8-years but even before I left cash usage at large retailers was hard to find
MisterE: yes any large retailer who told you you can't pay your $100 bull with plastic would be done
MisterE: because of personal experience, obbviously you have nbot spent much time shopping in rural america at the likes of WlaMart and safeway
MisterE: I'm not sure if your forbes includes debit cards
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07002031 = 0.2101 BTC [-]
MisterE: I have to admit I'm *very* surprised by the stats in the forbes article
mircea_popescu: they're not even right, they overstate plastic acceptance.
noCHINA: just when you thought bad news was finished for bitcoin -- there is more
noCHINA: china ban, then gox crash, then china ban #2, then IRS,
noCHINA: its like the good news doesn't factor in at all
TestingUnoDosTre: and it's more like someone who wanted/needed to get rid of coins
TestingUnoDosTre: seriously. China ban news was released, and bitcoin held at 580
MisterE: yea this last dump, if you can even call it that, was manipulation for sure
noCHINA: TestingUnoDosTre: 50,000 BTC sold today-- thats on china news
tg2: That's convenient that 50k were sold and none bought :')
BingoBoingo: Why is a Canadian so worried about China anyways
TestingUnoDosTre: I don't care how many btc were sold today. China news was basically the same shit that was said before, and it was released like 12 hours or more before the MINI crash
MisterE: still MP that is 55% of small businesses. when I said not taking visa would be a death sentence I was talking about large retailers like Walmart or Safeway. I'm sure CC acceptance and usage is much higher there and it would be a death sentence for them.
noCHINA: there is no such thing as 'manipulation' -- there are only bids and asks ... they're either filled or not
MisterE: I cant google up just what % of purchases at large retailers are made with cc
TestingUnoDosTre: I never said manipulation. I agree with your statement. Where I disagree is when you claimed that this had to do with some news that was released.
mircea_popescu: noCHINA it's rare that news actually has any sort of impact on bitcoin prices. people generally like to see patters, but i've seen hundreds of such claims and they were never right.
noCHINA: patterns are nonsense -- its individual whales who move markets, not some lines on a chart
MisterE: they might have leaked a rumor before starting to dump
noCHINA: TestingUnoDosTre: large whales who want to cash out see 'bad china news' and decide to do it quickly
MisterE: then pulled back to scoop up after a drop, thats manipulation
mircea_popescu: MisterE if any large retailer decides to stop taking a card it's more like a death sentence to the card than to the retailer.
kow: what kind of whales, like blue whales?
mircea_popescu: people won't drive an extra gallon of gas just to use random plasic bit X
noCHINA: no its not -- thats just the free market operating... its up to the stupid public to decide if a rumor is real or not before panic selling
noCHINA: if insider trading was legal we'd have much more transparent markets
noCHINA: prices would reflect true value at all times
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28500 @ 0.00093604 = 26.6771 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 185 @ 0.00227755 = 0.4213 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 675 @ 0.00220088 = 1.4856 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10737 @ 0.00093101 = 9.9963 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 151 @ 0.00217 = 0.3277 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 19 @ 0.0060016 = 0.114 BTC [+]
ozbot: 76ers Lose 26 Straight Games, Are Impressively Dedicated To Sucking
noCHINA: is that squeeze bacon shit real?
noCHINA: looks insanely awesome in a not awesome way
moiety: BingoBoingo: that one (youtube link) just totally wanted to rip the camera person's face off didnt it?! i think they are known to scalp people
moiety: i thought i sensed cute, that gif is epic mircea_popescu
moiety: the dogs head is begger than the whole pup!
MisterE: yea nothing irregular about it
moiety: i have an animal realted story i cant read because im too scraed to scroll, is there an add on that removes pics? like adblock/flashblock?
moiety: lets try that again shall we? : i have an animal related story i cant read because im too scared to scroll, is there an add on that removes pics? like adblock/flashblock?
ozbot: Family claims hacker taking control of cable box, sending threats | Fox 59 News – fox59.com
MisterE: well we're breeding animals in captivity better now so have "surplus"
mircea_popescu: the20year3 businesses where the big barrier to entry is capital actually are very poor businesses (in that surpluss capacity can be and usually is created on the spot - or in other words, because they have no moats). buffett expounds on this in his 1983 letter if memory serves.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11554 @ 0.00093672 = 10.8229 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.5901 = 1.1802 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 85 @ 0.00604755 = 0.514 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: the20year3 so if the claim is that rent is trading under book, why not buy back shares ? and moreover, is the book value reported anywhere in any sense ?
mircea_popescu: xdotcomm_: benkay: how come exchanges /etc are not using this
https://gpgauth.org/ << because why would anyone sane give their keys away to some website ? might as well ask why no serious bloggers are ujsing disqus.
xdotcomm_: mircea_popescu: i thought it was comporable to irc-bot
mircea_popescu: the20year3 this "enough of our shareholders complain" tack is bollocks. i complain, and i'll have your head for it, plain and simple.
mircea_popescu: xdotcomm_ how can it be comparable tho ? i mean... gribble actually ads functionality.
kakobrekla: ah i forgot to mention MP re outspamming
mircea_popescu: cazalla that's actually an excellent q, hope you get some answer.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: That's about the sentiment I've been coming to have about my plot coupons.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: you have beaten assbot per last 7 days and per last 30 days mirea.
mircea_popescu: deadweasel: why would anybody consult the public? << maybe the public is topless and looks good on its back ?
kakobrekla: number 5 on 12 month, number 9 on 30 days and 24 on weekly
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu but it was an empty line
BingoBoingo: Oh, ellipses don't hide text in the logs that come out of assbot no more
kakobrekla: now stop busting my balls and go fix your css
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves that's funny, because 99.999% of published researchers live off grants given by the people who want global warming to be a rthing.
kakobrekla: yes its possible to send empty lines but my altgr on mah keyboard is broken
assbot: [HAVELOCK:NEOBEE] 1D: 0.00155000 / 0.00209392 / 0.00279899 (50471 shares, 105.68201148 BTC), 7D: 0.00155000 / 0.00269506 / 0.00415500 (131383 shares, 354.08461268 BTC), 30D: 0.00155000 / 0.00387846 / 0.00600000 (562136 shares, 2180.22469375 BTC)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 669 @ 0.00243989 = 1.6323 BTC [+] {3}
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 501.79, Best ask: 506.47, Bid-ask spread: 4.68000, Last trade: 501.13, 24 hour volume: 55293.10877297, 24 hour low: 466.1, 24 hour high: 571.5, 24 hour vwap: 517.259175662
mircea_popescu: whoa look at that! i wrote more this past month than the next 4 people bombined ?!
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla pls to redirect b-a donations address to trilema kthx
lnovy: c-c-c-c-ombo breaker
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu no can do, hackers control donations
mircea_popescu: mike_c there's only me posting as me. however, there's multiple people working on feeding me data and other predigested strings.
mircea_popescu: mike_c oldest trick in the book, every talking head on the tv screen has a little speaker in his ear thing. course, my backup is slightly better than what tv stations can afford, but still.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1000 @ 0.00243989 = 2.4399 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23800 @ 0.00093704 = 22.3016 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: o look, 200 lines in the past coupla hours. poor people trying to read the chan.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16250 @ 0.00093194 = 15.144 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24200 @ 0.00093141 = 22.5401 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14950 @ 0.00093721 = 14.0113 BTC [+] {2}
ozbot: Want to edit the wiki without paying a fee? Read this.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.05339959 = 0.267 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 13 @ 0.05432307 = 0.7062 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4636 @ 0.00093724 = 4.345 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12750 @ 0.00093904 = 11.9728 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.10144642 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.006099 = 0.122 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8000 @ 0.00093871 = 7.5097 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.599998 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 177 @ 0.00240999 = 0.4266 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 19 @ 0.006099 = 0.1159 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24750 @ 0.00093904 = 23.2412 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18595 @ 0.00093913 = 17.4631 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3605 @ 0.00093933 = 3.3863 BTC [+]
ozbot: LeoGroup Orchestrates Purchase of Stradivarius Violin Using Bitcoin - Press Release - Digital Journa
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 944 @ 0.00243063 = 2.2945 BTC [+] {5}
BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: if it were one of the Violas, that would be real news
bitcoinpete: i'm still glad to see people with coin shelling out for legit shit
bitcoinpete: bitcoins are better spent on one-of-a-kind art than electronics from tigerdirect
drkow: tigerdirect is a shit store
VanCleef: i hope my bitbet gets approved
drkow: their bitcoin system isn't working in Canada
VanCleef: if you make a new bet and send funds to fund the bet but it doesn't get approved will you get your coin back?
drkow: I have been getting great value out of my bitcoins by purchasing (probably carded) gift cards
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56564 @ 0.00093851 = 53.0859 BTC [-] {2}
drkow: oh I'm between toronto/montreal
drkow: it's too damn cold
bitcoinpete: you ever lived anywhere else? or traveled much at all?
drkow: that's why I hate canada
ozbot: Oleg Andreev - A million-dollar problem for Bitcoin exchanges
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.10144642 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56250 @ 0.0009393 = 52.8356 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 389 @ 0.00231675 = 0.9012 BTC [-] {10}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1000 @ 0.00214177 = 2.1418 BTC [-] {13}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5450 @ 0.00093677 = 5.1054 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2561 @ 0.00093872 = 2.4041 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 69 @ 0.0022 = 0.1518 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9724 @ 0.00093677 = 9.1092 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24500 @ 0.00093957 = 23.0195 BTC [+] {3}
cazalla: i enjoy your articles bitcoinpete, easier read than trilema (for me)
cazalla: ah, he isn't here, i guess i shouldn't assume everyone uses a bouncer
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11600 @ 0.00094036 = 10.9082 BTC [+]
bocobit: i read a study that says only 20% of people are capable of independent thought
bocobit: which makes you think, am i part of that 20%
bocobit: and what constitutes independent thought, what are the parameters
bocobit: or maybe even more powerful, what makes the 80%
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 34 @ 0.006099 = 0.2074 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6936 @ 0.00094043 = 6.5228 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11514 @ 0.00094169 = 10.8426 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20577 @ 0.00094171 = 19.3776 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59512 BTC [-]
chetty: bocobit, got a link to that study?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22000 @ 0.00093859 = 20.649 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18700 @ 0.00094183 = 17.6122 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00094007 = 0.9401 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10176 @ 0.00093544 = 9.519 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24350 @ 0.00093149 = 22.6818 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10074 @ 0.00093177 = 9.3867 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4600 @ 0.00011791 = 0.5424 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22491 @ 0.00093768 = 21.0894 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 65 @ 0.00223 = 0.145 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14658 @ 0.00093768 = 13.7445 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2950 @ 0.00093787 = 2.7667 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 15 @ 0.05549997 = 0.8325 BTC [+] {10}
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jurov: bitcoinpete that oleganza's blog is theoretically nice
jurov: but in practice having locked bitcoins in 2-of-2 sig scheme would hurt liquidity
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jurov: such as, traders can claim "no i dispute this trade, wont sign" when market moves unfavorably
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07002044 = 0.7002 BTC [-] {2}
jurov: and there's where comaprison with NYSE falls short, NYSE can get to court (in worst case) to force misbehaving traders in the line
jurov: oh i overlooked the tweet
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VanCleef: poor guy should just refund him
VanCleef: what if u bet on a bet you made but it doesn't get approved
chetty: that argument has been going on forever, a good example of the failure of personal responsibility
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MisterE: this is the kind of people that nanny states produce
MisterE: states run by fscking insurance adjustors who have politicians in their pockets
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07000001 = 0.21 BTC [-]
MisterE: The asshattery with this forum is strong!
MisterE: never really read bitcointalk, learned from bloggers and trusted articles or reading / asking questions on irc.
chetty: MisterE, most public forums are about the same
MisterE: but kakobrekla does come down on em like a ton of bricks lol
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MisterE: lots of blood on the floor over on BTCe lol
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17100 @ 0.00093952 = 16.0658 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: bocobit i read a study that 80% of studies are pure bullshit.
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 451 @ 0.00244016 = 1.1005 BTC [+] {3}
artifexd: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:fe0d9a7006ac40048c49ae0e278f7f52c229fdb8b8b55499e7264c31
gribble: You are now authenticated for user artifexd with key 11D1433947A3327A
artifexd: ;;rate bitcoinpete 1 Did exactly what he said he would do without delay
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user bitcoinpete has been recorded.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 8479 @ 0.00011406 = 0.9671 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 44 @ 0.00243 = 0.1069 BTC [-]
artifexd: ThickAsThieves Have you heard from Danny lately? Is he ok?
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ozbot: Looking for investment of ~2500 BTC for music festival, return = ~150,000 BTC
Duffer1: haven't seen a scam like that before
Duffer1: "In 1.5 months of marketing we grew our Facebook page to 9,500 likes with an average unboosted reach of 2,300 people per post"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20772 @ 0.00093751 = 19.474 BTC [+] {4}
CheckDavid: 3:53:57 AM mircea_popescu CheckDavid what start-ups specifically. <- you mean to ask which startup specifically I was considering fundraising for?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07287649 = 0.2915 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: CheckDavid yeah but meanwhile my q was answered reading the log.
mircea_popescu: listen, the larger part of raising funds is the trust you command.
ozbot: La firma pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07287659 = 0.2915 BTC [+]
CheckDavid: mircea_popescu: yes correct. But then one also needs a framework/platform to market my trust
CheckDavid: I see. But also a model on what to give in return for funding
Duffer1: you don't necessarily need a platform for that, unless you wanted your investors to be able to exchange quickly
CheckDavid: Someone made me consist ways to fund without equity dilution
CheckDavid: Crowd funding is one way people have used to fund without equity distribution
Duffer1: do you have a product capable of attracting that kind of funding?
mircea_popescu: there's business and then there's nonsense. i'm sure some kids somewhere are playing with money, but that has no bearing on business.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3987 @ 0.00093637 = 3.7333 BTC [-]
CheckDavid: I see. So your take is that equity must be allocated to the investors right?
chetty: Crossword puzzles in a local Venezuelan newspaper are calling readers to violent protests with conspiratorial messages, the country’s information minister said today.
mircea_popescu: you can either take investment, which is a distribution of equity no matter how you disgusie it, from bfl-style to any other style,
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6851 @ 0.00093637 = 6.4151 BTC [-]
CheckDavid: Can this loan depend on the business performance alone?
CheckDavid: Or would it have to be a personal loan in some way as well?
mircea_popescu: no. a loan has no relation to the business performance, a loan is predicated on the credibility of the underwriter.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.595005 BTC [+]
CheckDavid: You are a very traditional business guy.
mircea_popescu: you know, gravity didn't change direction since it was invented.
mircea_popescu: even if female dress and hairdo changed significnatly, and quite cyclically.
mircea_popescu: her tits will always point downwards on the long run, no matter what she wears.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.0001179 = 0.1179 BTC [+] {2}
CheckDavid: Do you intend to say one should always short women?
CheckDavid: I very much appreciate the stock tip kind sir
pankkake: lessons learned: SATA is shit, NCQ is shit, XFS is shit, GPU fans are shit
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26700 @ 0.00093573 = 24.984 BTC [-] {2}
CheckDavid: mircea_popescu: can u give me a car pliz? And a 3d printer tnx
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4390 @ 0.0009381 = 4.1183 BTC [+]
bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu benkay and artifexd were generous enough to lend me a few satoshis a week ago, which i duly repaid with interest today so as to learn that variety speak :D
bitcoinpete: artifexd noob question: do i rate you as well?
Duffer1: you can rate anyone for anything
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bitcoinpete: Chamath is spot on here: "We’ve got to flush out all the has-beens and also-rans. There’s a bunch of amateur hour bullshit in the bitcoin ecosystem.”
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.07287999 = 0.6559 BTC [+] {3}
ozbot: The bezzle-USD and the tide-USD pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete whats not clear is who chamath is and why does he get to say this.
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Mats_cd03: CheckDavid: have you considered enrolling in an intro accounting course? i think it would benefit you
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.595005 = 2.975 BTC [+]
Mats_cd03: mircea_popescu: good timing, i just finished brewing coffee
Dimsler_: is that its not a real country
Dimsler_: i do not understand why anyone cares
Mats_cd03: do you know what a warm water port is?
mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete talking about "bunch of amateur hour buyllshit in the bitcoin """ecosystem"""" in a pdf file ?
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 that explains why the russians care, which was quite clear.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5950 @ 0.0009381 = 5.5817 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: course we know why exactly the us cares too, at that level.
Dimsler_: just like 1/2 belong to poland
bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu i sequenced those poorly, first was a document by taleb & co., second was a random quote
Dimsler_: go pick up a fuckign history book
mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete anyway, if you know the chap, perhaps drop him a link. as usual, the clearing of bs starts with teh self.
Dimsler_: because its the same bs on the news like always
Dimsler_: making a big deal about ukraine
bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu i only know him by reputation, such as it is. yes, some vetting is in order
Mats_cd03: crimea was an autonomous republic, not a sovereign territory with its own government
Mats_cd03: its the functional equivalent of macao, singapore, taiwan, hong kong, or scotland deciding, lets organize militias and be rowdy
Dimsler_: using your bs coin terms sovereignity
kakobrekla: >@teddy @Xapo we've entrusted them with a shit-ton of BTC...so have other big institutional funds...its a good sign.
Mats_cd03: sovereignty as its used in international law, yes
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 wasn't it a khanate originally ? that's EXACTLY what they did.
Mats_cd03: and they've been properly slapped down
Mats_cd03: because poor people with firearms always ends up well
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 on a long enough timeline everyone's getting slapped down properly.
Dimsler_: half that territory was polish
Dimsler_: the kosack was a fucking nomad
bitcoinpete: kakobrekla mircea_popescu oof. dunce cappery
mircea_popescu: i suppose we'll see another anil dash-esque butthurt explosion followed by trying to date me
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 i kinda left it unreferenced fishing for noobs tbh. i'm kinda hoping the average clueless yet opinionanted keyboard warrior may pick on it to try and "mock" me.
bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu maybe chamath will ask you what kind of shampoo you use
CheckDavid: Mats_cd03: I did not. But yes maybe it would
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mircea_popescu: Kolin Burgess, a British bitcoin investor who spent much of Tuesday protesting outside of Mt. Gox’s abandoned office, in Tokyo, told a reporter for Reuters that he thought he had accumulated Bitcoins that were worth three hundred thousand dollars at the market’s peak. “I’m very angry,” he said. “It looks like that’s disappeared.”
Mats_cd03: CheckDavid: i dunno, khan academy does alright, but i took accounting when i was in university - up to you to find a good resource
Mats_cd03: i did find an excellent pdf on finance earlier today for an aspiring quant
mircea_popescu: the problem with learnin accounting is that it's not an art, it's a craft. you can perhaps learn philosophy in your own time, of \your own volition. accounting however requires a reshaping of your mental process, which people never undertake willingly.
Mats_cd03: i hate the internet... stupid spaces
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CheckDavid: mircea_popescu: fundamental analysis revealed that pair is in a downward trend
kakobrekla: ;;later tell davout the printing to pdf you suggested was rejected > "unreadable / bad quality / truncated (4)"
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CheckDavid: 2:13:02 PM mircea_popescu her tits will always point downwards on the long run, no matter what she wears.
ozbot: Twitter / bitcoinpete: @bitcorati Fraud detection ...
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punkman: well shit, disk just had the CLICK OF DEATH, I think I lost a wallet
mircea_popescu: apparently, if you mostly follow chicks on twitter your timeline is full of women.
bounce: banking security: bank sends plain text passwords in email. says it's safe because to log in you also need to know an email address. *that* email address, yes.
Mats_cd03: punkman: if youre unlucky you'll spend $200-500 to recover it
punkman: Mats_cd03: it was a doge wallet, not sure I care
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assbot: [HAVELOCK:NEOBEE] 1D: 0.00155000 / 0.00206041 / 0.00276488 (51611 shares, 106.33997891 BTC), 7D: 0.00155000 / 0.00266469 / 0.00415500 (136878 shares, 364.73771220 BTC), 30D: 0.00155000 / 0.00380173 / 0.00600000 (556467 shares, 2115.53536147 BTC)
assbot: [HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00525030 / 0.00570296 / 0.00649990 (1927 shares, 10.98959692 BTC), 7D: 0.00520970 / 0.00555269 / 0.00649990 (4050 shares, 22.48839803 BTC), 30D: 0.00510111 / 0.00556877 / 0.00900001 (48203 shares, 268.43165089 BTC)
bounce: somebody needs to write a banking front-end that actually makes sense. features like ability to feed it your gpg key. I'd write it except I have no contacts with banks so they'll never buy such off of me. (what give software away? to *banks*?)
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punkman: bounce: need a proper backend first
mircea_popescu: bounce it's a moot point. banks aren't able to buy it anyway, unless the govt says do it.
mircea_popescu: much better to just make mpex run the current version of "banks" out of business completely,
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.595005 BTC [+]
rithm: is this the new -otc where the mindless chatter happens
ozbot: Triple Entry Accounting
rithm: that's a highlevel observation type question
rithm: i see a lot of channels but only some of them light up
punkman: relevant to "proper backend"
punkman: "It should take an Act of God to start up in anything but the best possible security you can manage. A Presidential Order doesn't cut it. "
Mats_cd03: asciilifeform: the 556 will prevail, in answer to your question.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 145 @ 0.00240999 = 0.3494 BTC [-] {2}
mike_c: geez, those furry beasts in the water on trilema are so cute i'm going to puke.
Mats_cd03: i was mostly thinking that the round is superior, is all. the weapons and rounds themselves are lighter than their counterparts
rithm: walmart has sued visa
rithm: this should beinteresting
mike_c: nah, lawyers will get paid and an agreement will be made.
rithm: lately i find lawsuits to be some sort of method for absconding or hiding sums of monies
rithm: a lawsuit can be a further laundry
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rithm: wise beyond my years, i know
rithm: in my juvenile state i always assumed a lawsuit was a negative event
rithm: but i now i just see the spin cycle
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.07299999 = 0.438 BTC [+] {2}
Mats_cd03: wasn't disagreeing with you, just reflecting on qualitative differences
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Mats_cd03: interestingly, china is not well armed compared to the rest of the world
Mats_cd03: i see your point, although im thinking of privately owned small firearms
Mats_cd03: they certainly do have a habit of burying them and then digging them up for use against invaders every few hundred years
the20year2: China arms most of the middle east with weapons
mircea_popescu: i imagine it's somewhere in the ex-russian central asia.
bounce: china has lots of cannon fodder. add some cheap mass-produced tat, and any opponent still has a bit of a problem.
mircea_popescu: bounce actually, that was the 70s. today, china leads the us in the space race.
Mats_cd03: it is remarkable to me that the greatest danger to chinese public safety
Mats_cd03: are people armed with kitchen knives and motorcycles
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1030 @ 0.00222226 = 2.2889 BTC [-] {14}
Mats_cd03: if the country wasnt shitty in other ways id love to live there, social stability and chinese women sounds great
the20year2: All the guys I know in china hate the women there
bounce: that they do. not like the US couldn't see it coming, or anything. just that china can make do with very little. on top of that, they do have what looks like decent kit these days.
Mats_cd03: you guys must be great in social settings
mircea_popescu: were you being sarcastic ? my absent social skills prevent me from discerning sarcasm online.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10400 @ 0.00093964 = 9.7723 BTC [+]
the20year2: Jan and Feb firearm sales were astronomical
bounce: too bad dual wielding isn't what the gamer kids believe it is
bounce: though there's the ROTM
pLambert: I don't get it, whats the diff between barrels-per-man and guns-per-capita?
mircea_popescu: there's a lot more to that man angle than anyone readily admits. take that recent treysomething or the other case.
the20year2: double barreled shotguns count as two!
mircea_popescu: only after beating the shit out of the eventual shooter for half an hour.
mircea_popescu: people who shoot you the moment you've looked the wrong way are quite different from people who scuffle with you over their own gun which then sorta-accidentally discharges.
the20year2: i just don't like the people that complain about the legal constructs of the state for self defense and want to make it illegal to defend yourself
Mats_cd03: i believe owning a weapon is a privilege rather than a right
the20year2: I feel that the ability to adequately defend yourself and your family isn't just a right, it's required
Mats_cd03: i believe should be compelled to prove competency with it as well as commit to securing the weapon
bounce: well, there's more to it than that. in the USoA there's also a strong cultural current that requires guns. and, relatedly, something to fight, so they'll keep on looking for exactly that. in that sense two wars at the same time is them 'merkins having a cultural field day.
mircea_popescu: the gun was there before there were privileges, rights or beliefs
the20year2: The technological prerequisite to production of a firearm is quite low
Mats_cd03: in practical terms securing the weapon means two different locks for the bolt carrier group and the upper receiver
the20year2: which prevents access in time of emergency or delays a theif by a whole minute or two
Mats_cd03: if that was imposed, people dying of negligent discharges would drop 90%
the20year2: Negligent discharges are quite low overall and are decreasing by pretty large amounts in the US
Mats_cd03: if it takes you a minute to remove two locks and assemble the weapon you deserve to die to a home invasion
the20year2: You think most people can do that when their door is being busted down?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13950 @ 0.00093549 = 13.0501 BTC [-] {4}
the20year2: Why not require the same of police officers too? Since they have the same, or more negligent discharges than civilians
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 by the same argument, people who die by negligent discharge deserve to die anwyay /
Mats_cd03: youre more likely to die to a negligent discharge than to a home invasion
mike_c: the20year2: probably not a percentage basis?
the20year2: And you're more likely to be in a car accident 100 times over than an accidental firearm discharge
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i seriously don't see who'd like to keep that particular son.
mircea_popescu: the best way to raise boys is to regularly give them enough rope to hang themselves and then enforce the hanging once they started it.
bounce: well, it's a bit of a problem if that son first shoots half a magazine worth of neighbours
mike_c: the20year2: again.. seems misleading. is that just for gun owners?
the20year2: Among all accidental firearm discharges in the US , there were 600 deaths last year
the20year2: Compared to 3,500 drowning deaths, 750 people beat to death with hands and feet, 40,000 alcohol related deaths and 500,000 tobacco related deaths
mike_c: yes, but everybody has hands and feet. not everybody has guns.
Mats_cd03: how do you propose solving social problems with statistics
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28391 @ 0.00093973 = 26.6799 BTC [+]
the20year2: Well, i could base everything on how I "Feel", but i don't know that my feelings would have any impact on others
chetty: no such thing as social problems
mircea_popescu: let's see... if some guy needs an operation and the insurance won't clear it because they judge he's too old/poor/etc, and he dies
the20year2: Didn't all those people die during holomodor due to USSR's amazing statistics & record keeping?
benkay: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:983637eb42b48a2be08fe9d0aa52ad0f7cb6412de4764cff08499c25
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benkay: ;;rate bitcoinpete 1 does what he says he will.
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the20year2: Although you could also blame it on lynshenkoism (sp) which kind of is a statistical thing there too
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mircea_popescu: "i got hiv from sharing the hiv tester with a hiv sufferer"
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benkay: mircea_popescu: re gpgauth.org, that doesn't store private keys though.
ozbot: New regulated UK exchange opening
mircea_popescu: benkay no i understand that. but if you use it, you have to still secure your site,
mircea_popescu: and then hope that both gpgauth and your link to it is also secure.
BingoBoingo: Duffer1: Your link looked link Dank discovered socks
mike_c: but if you use gpgauth and they get hacked, you have an excuse. so it's ok. like when your site goes down because aws goes down, built in excuse. </sarcasm>
benkay: o i thought the excuse was =========
benkay: "hashes match on my device!"
mircea_popescu: but seriously now, i fail to see what it offers. i mean i suppose one could loot their github for code, and the site could be just a demo.
benkay: i don't see my name there...
ozbot: Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: 'zorro' (aes-based cipher) ...
mike_c: true or false: if i type a password into my shell, and then call 'history -c', i am ok?
mike_c: assume i am not worried about someone raw-reading my hdd. are there other attack vectors?
tg2: Auth logs often will keep a history of commands
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07299999 = 0.365 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: a good approach is to search everywhere for another string in the history file, then wipe your password from everywhere you found keeps a copy.
mircea_popescu: and this to be done after all processes involved ended.
tg2: Grep -iR "yourpass" /
bounce: all the while "yourpass" sits in the process list for all to see
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gribble: Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
the20year2: Reserves are calculated differently in each country
the20year2: that's more than double 100pf , right?
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benkay: capacitor not necessary for capacitance
benkay: some are also engineered and subsequently manufactured.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 49.34183188 BTC to 80`674 shares, 61162 satoshi per share
benkay: kinks can even induce reflections if your application's sensitive to 'em.
benkay: once had to design a nightmare of a cable harness for wafer probing.
benkay: minimum bend radii, maximum cable lengths, nobody ever wanted to cram that many probes that close together before, handed the problem to resident kid.
punkman: asciilifeform: what's a good chinese brand for scopes?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dude i think i actually can prove there won't be no "lead standard".
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diametric: oh, I have a collection but ultimately I don't do enough electronics work to give that great of opinions on it.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5050 @ 0.00093923 = 4.7431 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.05460057 = 0.3822 BTC [-] {2}
diametric: thats the one I have, it works well for my uses.
benkay: "vintage"? how old is vintage?
diametric: yeah I have a 79 (i think?) tektronics of some sort I haven't used very much
benkay: i had to have someone who grew up with them teach me how to use them though.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.07299999 = 0.511 BTC [+] {2}
benkay: manuals having long since disappeared from the shop.
benkay: plus also cameraderie and mentorship.
benkay: lucky them, living in such a slow time and communing with such giants.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.073 = 0.146 BTC [+]
the20year2: if i had a major need for one i could have picked up a few by now
benkay: asciilifeform: looks like it, neh?
mircea_popescu: benkay i don't know enough about cpus to be useful there.
mircea_popescu: navhul-lacsup wait, so is this actually an urbit powered irc bouncer ?!
mircea_popescu: wait wait wait nowai, you don't lose connection nearly frequently enough.
diametric: punkman: maybe, i vaguely remember reading after that came out the newer shipped ones don't work
navhul-lacsup: i like a lot of technical goals of the project, but I do worry that it is too radical to take off
benkay: insufficiently-horsed is more like it.
navhul-lacsup: maybe a clone written for the JVM would be more popular/successful
ozbot: "Behold the Lord High Executioner" - YouTube
navhul-lacsup: I'm mostly interested in upgrading internet architecture with referential transparency, no bitrot, and secure identity baked in
navhul-lacsup: the stuff under that layer is beyond me, and seems to add to the risk of the project
navhul-lacsup: but Curtis wouldn't be excited enough to do it without reinventing the world from scratch
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 3350 @ 0.00050002 = 1.6751 BTC [-] {2}
rithm: if only they'd print serial numbers on all those tide bottles...
rithm: are you sure? when did that start?
rithm: i'll have to do more grocery shopping to confirm this theroy
mircea_popescu: look around the seams, usually where the typographical allignment marks are.
rithm: i personally operate mostly in the bezzle space obv
rithm: i'm very intriqgued by the tideUSD market though
mircea_popescu: rithm if us ngos were actually useful rather than a cozy retreat for useless white cunts, we'd have some research data available as to actual economic expenditure of ghetto household
mircea_popescu: i suspect on average about 1/3 of available resources goes to chemicals.
benkay: "chemicals" including lots of nominally nutritive materials
rithm: mircea_popescu i have supporting data based on my surroundings that confirm your hypothesis
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.00093712 = 4.0296 BTC [-]
rithm: well alcohol and tobacco consume large portions of the blue collar paycheck
mircea_popescu: generally you can "crash", ie, board, for free with "friends"
the20year2: but look at top employers in ghetto areas
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform exact same practice existed in medieval romanian and prior
tg2: grams/month living index
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22834 @ 0.00093663 = 21.387 BTC [-]
ozbot: Homeopathic remedies recalled for containing real medicine (Wired UK)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 150 @ 0.00242896 = 0.3643 BTC [+] {4}
the20year2: i've never understood homeopathy, and i don't think most who believe in it do either
benkay: not much to understand, the20year2.
benkay: there's nothing there.
benkay: asciilifeform: there aren't zappers floating around?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38850 @ 0.00093751 = 36.4223 BTC [+] {3}
benkay: asciilifeform: this defense ignores the store mandates that store employees not actually do anything during a theft for fear of liability.
jurov: smile sheepishly, shrug it off, walk out
benkay: asciilifeform: that is what i'm driving at.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform cuz you live in the sticks. they don't bother with that shit here.
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benkay: mircea_popescu: most places in the US alcohol is only touchable by the clerks.
benkay: oh it's the most hilarious in the occupied cascadian territories, BingoBoingo
benkay: we labor under a state sponsored liquor monopoly.
BingoBoingo: benkay: Here we have liquor and tobacco superstores where you can browse the aisles
BingoBoingo: Walk up to the counter, walk out with a keg
benkay: that was my experience in NYC, asciilifeform.
benkay: luckily, we don't have much actual in-person robbery here. just communism.
BingoBoingo: The gas stations in less desirable areas have armor, glass and kiosks
BingoBoingo: The larger outfits just have people cabable of handling security handling security
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 25 @ 0.0706604 = 1.7665 BTC [-] {11}
BingoBoingo: The image midpage almost captures the scale of the place
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.07 = 0.63 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 31 @ 0.0064999 = 0.2015 BTC [+]
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tg2: thats our fanciest booze store
benkay: it's not nearly as bad here as i make it out
benkay: the nice stores are nice, obviously.
benkay: the monopoly is a horrendous thing.
tg2: an $80 bottle of wine in florida can be $300+ by the time it gets here
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.0065 = 0.13 BTC [+]
tg2: probably one of the worst examples of government monopoly
benkay: what's even more funny is that canadian beef is cheaper here than it is up there.
tg2: yeah but we like USDA beef ;)
tg2: classic "grass is greener"
BingoBoingo: St Louis also has a sort of privately run beer welfare, take the free AB brewery tour and get two beers at the end
benkay: USDA's horrendously more expensive up north.
tg2: 12oz AAA tenderloin is $45+ in most places here
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9900 @ 0.00093964 = 9.3024 BTC [+] {2}
tg2: not from the butcher, but in any respectable restaurant
tg2: its around $78/kg here
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.069998 = 0.49 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 333 @ 0.0065 = 2.1645 BTC [+]
tg2: wife's family owns a bunch of dairy farms
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 60 @ 0.00659111 = 0.3955 BTC [+] {3}
tg2: so we get free-range grass-fed beef
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.055 = 0.33 BTC [+] {2}
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tg2: I thought it was sacha grey in that pic
the20year2: AAA beef grade is USDA choice which is pretty low
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 70 @ 0.0068611 = 0.4803 BTC [+]
tg2: I guess we have different taste in wine :)
mircea_popescu: i don't even mean good. decent. something i could in good conscience feed women.
tg2: i can give you a list of "to-try" if youw ant
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 64 @ 0.00242784 = 0.1554 BTC [-] {4}
tg2: you're close to napa I'm guessing
tg2: puts california on the map imo
ozbot: Insignia : Joseph Phelps Vineyards
tg2: but the wine has more lineage
BingoBoingo: I have trouble trusting a brand named after something a brand is supposed to have, rather than actually having its own
tg2: but it's $325 a bottle here
tg2: I found a case of opus one in a convenience store in maui
tg2: at the back of a fridge
gribble: Nick 'BingoBoingo', with hostmask 'BingoBoingo!~BingoBoin@unaffiliated/bingoboingo', is identified as user 'BingoBoingo', with GPG key id 309BB8D7F3251143, key fingerprint ADD7A9A28F85E5EF1F51904F309BB8D7F3251143, and bitcoin address None
ozbot: 1996 Opus One, Napa Valley, USA: prices | wine-searcher
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15615 @ 0.00093446 = 14.5916 BTC [-] {4}
tg2: anyway, all this to say fuck government monopolies
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 30 @ 0.0068611 = 0.2058 BTC [+]
ozbot: Cramele Recas/ Recas Winery
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 483 @ 0.00698395 = 3.3732 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: they make something like 10 mn bottles a year, most of it sold as entry and mid range wine. if you run into it tho buy it, because it's probably the best you'll ever drink at that price level.
tg2: I would go for some italian super tuscans
tg2: that should be available where you are
punkman: I got this box of wine here that was about 3eur/litre.
punkman: same thing is shipped to France and bottled, then sold to Americans for a huge premium
tg2: my eyes are rolling so hard right now
tg2: next time you guys are in montreal ping me we'll hit the cellar :)
tg2: I have a pit cellar (under the house) and cold air tends to make it's way down there
tg2: you just ruined thousands of bottles
mircea_popescu: but ideally, people should live in places where a properly dug cellar maintains a proper temperature with no exceptions.
tg2: I /think/ it's actually below the frost line but I wouldn't want to test it out
mircea_popescu: (incidentally, do you know how roman legionnaires chose where to settle down ? ie, they wanted to be able to grow wine)
tg2: well romans + wine goes pretty hand in hand
tg2: sadly I don't know of many romanian wines
tg2: geographically they should be able to grow the same caliber of wine as itali
tg2: its a combination of soil and sun and temperature
tg2: craiova is about the same latitude as the two regions in italy and france that produce the "top" wines
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 3814 @ 0.00213751 = 8.1525 BTC [-] {23}
tg2: you need hills of the right orientation, arid seasons, mild temperature variances and the right amount of daylight (and, you know, some fugesi) to grow good wine
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mircea_popescu: but you know, what happens if the obstacle isn't brissant
mike_c: immovable object, unstoppable force, who knows?
punkman: so they redesigned Paypal to be responsive or whatever, now I can't even get to my account page
tg2: they're doing the world a service.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12300 @ 0.0009341 = 11.4894 BTC [-]
mike_c: plus neither I nor google knows what brissant means.
mircea_popescu: punkman there's a bug of stupid going around, they fucked up namecheap earilier.
mike_c: ah. my limited language skills at work.
tg2: that special feeling when paypal sends you an email that your account is now "restricted" and they're going to hang on to your $200k while they evaluate the situation for the next 6 months
tg2: at which point they may or may not give it back
tg2: depending on how they feel
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18700 @ 0.0009341 = 17.4677 BTC [-]
punkman: I just use it for small purchases here and there
benkay: mike_c: show me the same thing with a piece of steel a la what kicked off a recent Tesla fire.
tg2: I'm surprised they haven't been sued into the ground yet. People are overly complacent
mike_c: they ran over an alternator and a tow hitch. but they were brissant.
tg2: even gox - it amazes me
tg2: "oh well guys looks like we lost 500m$" "silly us"
benkay: what, a tow hitch is brissant?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.055 = 0.275 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: mike_c well see, there's a reason why karate guys break one foot of brick but never try half inch of cast iron pot.
benkay: i figured those were ductile.
tg2: that concrete was likely cast for that express test
mike_c: actually less brissant than i thought
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tg2: i'd like to see a tesla drive over that
benkay: bolt holding plates in, mircea_popescu
benkay: you can see the threads strip and then it wobble out
benkay: helluva lever arm across the width of the body
tg2: plastic pin that holds that cover on
tg2: they use it in interior panels
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5201 @ 0.0001179 = 0.6132 BTC [+] {2}
benkay: seems a bit inertia-y for plastic
benkay: should tumble and slow much more imho
benkay: could it be a metal pop pin?
tg2: it oculd yes but its likely plsatic
benkay: it's holding in super vibrate-y al plates, though.
benkay: those would cut right through plastic over time.
benkay: plus shine, plus no tumble and maintaining the same speed as car...
tg2: you can see, that is exactly what it is
benkay: nigga i know what a pop pin is
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.055 = 0.11 BTC [+]
benkay: i'm marshalling reasons why it might be metallic.
tg2: > bolt holding plates in, mircea_popescu
benkay: <tg2> plastic pin that holds that cover on
mike_c: mircea_popescu: three shields, aluminum bar, then titanium shield, then aluminum deflector shield.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59 BTC [-]
benkay: crashed a model airplane recently, banana'd a battery.
mike_c: re: not brissant: " provides another layer of deflection and finally causes the Model S to ramp up and over the object if it is essentially incompressible and immovable"
benkay: going to puncture it on a drunken weekend soon
mike_c: so if it doesn't crumble it causes the car to fly!
tg2: wifes s3 blew up while charging
tg2: like expanded and then blew out
tg2: burnt the nightstand
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00565714 = 0.5657 BTC [-] {8}
tg2: next level samsung QC
gribble: vexual was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 weeks, 1 day, 19 hours, 31 minutes, and 14 seconds ago: <Vexual> lasers in the eye is never good tat
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3639 @ 0.00094073 = 3.4233 BTC [+]
tg2: benkay, just charge it at 5-10x it's C rating
benkay: where's the fun in that, tg2 ?
benkay: 'sides, risky for the charger.
tg2: ok ok shoot it with a firearm
benkay: but firearms and booze are not my favorite combo.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 100 @ 0.00404933 = 0.4049 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.007215 = 0.1443 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: firearms and booze are like cars and booze, best kept well apart from each other in time and space
assbot: I haven't understood a single word you've said since I met you, not one single word.
benkay: the manip is in, eh, the20year2 ?
benkay: plan to let your stockholders sell at the same price as your round 2 ipo?
the20year2: i haven't had to buy a single share to increase price
kakobrekla: how cum the ticker aint working, this aint right.
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00092844 / 0.00093601 / 0.000944 (1677335 shares, 1,570.02 BTC), 7D: 0.00092844 / 0.00094341 / 0.00095875 (6339010 shares, 5,980.31 BTC), 30D: 0.000745 / 0.00086422 / 0.00096 (31068816 shares, 26,850.50 BTC)
assbot: !ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !t}
assbot: !last <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns last price value, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !l}
assbot: !mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)
assbot: !rules <nick/chan> (desc: chan guidelines) {short: !r}
assbot: !exchanges <nick/chan> (desc: lists exchanges and brokers) {short: !e}
assbot: !bash <lines> (desc: bashes last <lines> lines to bash) {short: !b}
assbot: !quote <lines> (desc: quotes last <lines> lines and returns dpaste url) {short: !q}
assbot: It says some pelt-wearin' trapper, some stinkin' bean-suckin' possum skinner, he's gonna collect that reward money.
benkay: testing in production....
mike_c: assbot is trying to catch up to mp's line count
benkay: he's not involved any more, kakobrekla
topace: you had me change the hostname
topace: but i figured it was the same IP
topace: if the IP changed, then i need to modify firewall
assbot: It says some pelt-wearin' trapper, some stinkin' bean-suckin' possum skinner, he's gonna collect that reward money.
assbot: [HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00600000 / 0.00665087 / 0.00735000 (1380 shares, 9.17820480 BTC), 7D: 0.00521010 / 0.00581253 / 0.00735000 (5100 shares, 29.64390553 BTC), 30D: 0.00510111 / 0.00559595 / 0.00900001 (48904 shares, 273.66417474 BTC)
moiety: ;; later tell mircea_popescu a turtle surfing seal pup?! lolol
assbot: [HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00600000 / 0.00665087 / 0.00735000 (1380 shares, 9.17820480 BTC), 7D: 0.00521010 / 0.00581253 / 0.00735000 (5100 shares, 29.64390553 BTC), 30D: 0.00510111 / 0.00559595 / 0.00900001 (48904 shares, 273.66417474 BTC)
assbot: [HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00600000 / 0.00665087 / 0.00735000 (1380 shares, 9.17820480 BTC), 7D: 0.00521010 / 0.00581253 / 0.00735000 (5100 shares, 29.64390553 BTC), 30D: 0.00510111 / 0.00559595 / 0.00900001 (48904 shares, 273.66417474 BTC)
assbot: [HAVELOCK:COG] 1D: / 0 / (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: / 0 / (0 shares, 0 BTC), 30D: 0.00200000 / 0.03427132 / 0.08349952 (1224 shares, 41.94809170 BTC)
assbot: Last trade for RENT on HAVELOCK was at 0.007215 BTC [-]
mike_c: holee shit. michael abrash is joining carmack at oculus. amazing.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.055 = 0.11 BTC [+]
moiety: i didnt know you were here
moiety: i need to read all ze log before responding
tg2: that's how you get ants
moiety: not so keen on that one iono why
BingoBoingo: www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/03/28/fundraiser-resolved/
joecool: hdr, throwin up rainbows now, thx
BingoBoingo: Everyone is free to guess at the identity of the generous soul
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1333 @ 0.00011999 = 0.1599 BTC [+]
moiety: ace stuff BingoBoingo :D
mike_c: mircea_popescu: carmack and abrash were the talent & brains behind id software (doom,quake)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 407 @ 0.00211306 = 0.86 BTC [-] {7}
tg2: this is a nice curated collection
tg2: storage:/storage 307T 252T 56T 82% /storage
tg2: fk gotta add more space
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 626 @ 0.00200994 = 1.2582 BTC [-] {10}
tg2: my porn collection knows no bounds
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.58127506 = 2.3251 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.58100002 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20850 @ 0.00094073 = 19.6142 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07259996 = 0.2178 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 66 @ 0.00199999 = 0.132 BTC [+]
gribble: Nick 'tg2', with hostmask 'tg2!~tg2@205.204.66.35', is identified as user 'tg2', with GPG key id 31FAA963C3333333, key fingerprint BFB291FE6B88A151B3BD2F9C31FAA963C3333333, and bitcoin address None
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 300 @ 0.00195015 = 0.585 BTC [-] {5}
ozbot: All commands can be processed in channel or in PM
ozbot: Commands: .bait .count .diff .earn .exchange .nethash .rates .lcrates .tslb
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14900 @ 0.00094081 = 14.0181 BTC [+] {2}
tg2: possible to populate bait?
mike_c: michael lewis' new book is about hft traders. should be interesting. (lewis=liar's poker, moneyball, the big short)
mike_c: don't know, don't think it was lewis
mircea_popescu: nono, worked with those two, ended up making a game company which burned through 10mn of 1990s dollars to make some katana game
mircea_popescu: which never got made. largest vaporware story in gaming.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 19 @ 0.58100001 = 11.039 BTC [-] {2}
mike_c: vaporware video game must be duke nukem
mircea_popescu: he was the third man at id, but apparently got erased.
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 497.12, Best ask: 497.6, Bid-ask spread: 0.48000, Last trade: 497.12, 24 hour volume: 42616.48906348, 24 hour low: 466.1, 24 hour high: 532.0, 24 hour vwap: 501.447744429
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.58083333 = 3.485 BTC [-] {2}
tg2: "Flash Boys" is the name of the book
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.58 = 2.9 BTC [-]
tg2: I just want to read some shit about through-earth data transmission
tg2: and i'm sure HFT will be the first place it shows up lol
mike_c: BingoBoingo: it was kako.
mike_c: easy blockchain sniffing.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.10144642 BTC [-]
mike_c: not like the other day when you posted that md4 challenge and i almost fried my graphics card trying to crack it.
tg2: fucking ebay - i searched for lipo batteries ONCE, literally 1 session in the last year
tg2: my hompage is now full of rc cars
tg2: order $100k of surplus servers
tg2: not even 1 server on there
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.10144642 BTC [-]
mike_c: now the ipo is underpriced!
the20year2: crap, i was wrong, it was displaying asks, granted there's only about 25 shares between .0075 and .008
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10572 @ 0.00094335 = 9.9731 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 250 @ 0.00193468 = 0.4837 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1000 @ 0.00187956 = 1.8796 BTC [-] {12}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59490453 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42386 @ 0.00094661 = 40.123 BTC [+] {4}
ozbot: bramcohen: Freenode sucks
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.055 = 0.11 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 115 @ 0.00739164 = 0.85 BTC [+] {3}
ozbot: Freenode - Encyclopedia Dramatica
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.055 = 0.11 BTC [+]
pLambert: what's going on with NEOBEE, why are they stopped trading?
☟︎ pLambert: I think that is their method of announcement?
mircea_popescu: possibly butthurt over having shed 50% over a week and well... yet another one of those great "half your money in half a year" glbse-style things.
pLambert: is ThickAsTheives still the pass-through manager for this one?
pLambert: from direct shares to Havelock
pLambert: "Havelock Investments has been formally informed by the Pass-Through Fund Manager" <-- that guy
ozbot: Keybase.io vulnerability
mircea_popescu: funny when the first time some webservice is taken seriously by someone
mike_c: i get cloudflare errors 75% of the time i try to go to havelock.
tg2: who's sysadmining over there?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25162 @ 0.00094806 = 23.8551 BTC [+] {2}
tg2: re: rent -> The median purchase price for one single-family freestanding residential home in our areas of business stands at approximately $37,500.
tg2: > The majority of these kinds of homes will rent for $700 per month
ThickAsThieves: You'll need to contact Neo/LMB or Danny for any other info
benkay: wasn't via me, tho mircea_popescu, was it?
pLambert: then who is the Pass Through Fund Manager now?
pLambert: is it really a pass-through if the company is running it themself?
benkay: i think that i'll pass.
benkay: i'm not out of retirement yet, free to troll silicon valley all day.
benkay: shit i ain't even sufficiently well capitalized to go *into* retirement yet!
ThickAsThieves: the offering was always under the control of Neo, any role I was a part of was as an independent contractor
benkay: although Survant James hit a milestone recently - we now have eight full months of runway in the bank at current rates.
tg2: was anyone notable using zorro aes anywya lol
benkay: *fist pump after fist pump after fist pump*
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
benkay: lol "much as goat is not related to pirate"
tg2: fk a guy I fired is making 170k/yr at amazon now :'9
tg2: how is this even possible
benkay: tg2: aws only hires the fired
benkay: nobody else is taking those jaeorbs
mircea_popescu: benkay i still don't get what the relation is supposed to have been. just that the guy can't stfu ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.57000003 = 2.28 BTC [-] {3}
benkay: was goat not a pirate pass through operator?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 10 @ 0.07803404 = 0.7803 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 50 @ 0.00404004 = 0.202 BTC [-] {3}
benkay: was not tat originally affiliated with n/b?
benkay: you're the one with researchers on staff.
tg2: quality over quantity I suppose
pLambert: was neobee using TAT as a way to get into the community? I feel like there were scammers that did something similar before?
ThickAsThieves: benkay it would depend on your definition of affliated
Apocalyptic: benkay, what's your relation to the paper ?
mircea_popescu: "Feb 24 21:08:44 <mircea_popescu>what's going on in your head ? "
ThickAsThieves: pLambert I'm not clear to line of your questioning as it seems somewhat speculative, but as I mentioned, the relationship from the start was a contractual one between separate parties
mircea_popescu: so actually tat had some sort of ipo-coupon asset (xbond) which ipo-couponed neo, and then he was running the neobee hl asset.
bounce: no, the more advanced facebook "hack" variety
mircea_popescu: so now ThickAsThieves when exactly did you stop running it ?
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
benkay: ThickAsThieves:i have a contract with Neo
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00094822 = 3.7929 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: mp, I think all I can really say at this time is that you'd need to contact LMB for more info.
benkay: see that's the kinda thing that tars you with the LMB brush, ThickAsThieves
mircea_popescu: so, you were running an asset. why aren;'t you announcing it stopped trading, if it did
mircea_popescu: and why arent you announcing you're no longer running it and who is now running it, if you aren't.
pLambert: TAT, when did you stop running the pass-through?
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BingoBoingo: I remember flipping my Wifi'sname back and forth between Skynet and John Conner for some time
benkay: mine is surveillancevan97***
mike_c: hm. Neobee halts trading, TaT is running from it.. guess this is one is diving into the dead pool.
pankkake: cease to be traded… temporarily?
mike_c: i don't think temporarily counts, but it sounds like it will be permanent soon to me.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8789 @ 0.00094836 = 8.3351 BTC [+]
benkay: let the mods figure it out.
mircea_popescu: how the fuck some "company" slash "ceo" that can spend enough to mediabuy a small mediteranean island can't get their corp comms in working order is beyond comprehension.
mircea_popescu: somehow nobody goes to conferences tro say "hay! we're so fucking retarded, you wouldn't believe!"
pLambert: yeah, looks like the bet should resolve to "Yes" even for a temporary halt of trading?
mike_c: i don't think that's the spirit of the bet, but i don't think it matters.
benkay: if there were actual btc on the line, the mod who approved it might get a caning
gribble: Time since last block: 7 minutes and 44 seconds
pLambert: wait, we are the same person, pankkake, right? Why am I talking to myself?
mircea_popescu: kids wanna accounting-fraud their own books (which they don't keep anyway) and woe unto anyone getting in their way.
☟︎ pankkake: :). the actual crumbs is talking to itself on the forums quite often
BingoBoingo: As the asshole who wrote that BitBet my though was havecocks not lasting through the end of the year
benkay: they're under no real pressure
benkay: they skim off trades, and delist when things start looking shady
ThickAsThieves: In case any of you missed it, Havelock has shared that "the compliance officer of Neo and Bee Ltd has stated that due to an increase of abnormal activity on the LMB share platform, there may be a high possibility of questionable trading activity. While Neo and Bee Ltd investigate the issue further they have strongly recommended that we halt trading and transfers."
neilol: and to anyone saying TAT is running from this... he stepped down weeks ago
benkay: and who are you, neilol ?
mircea_popescu: benkay has it basically. skim while fools flock, delist once it goes to shit, the glbse v2.0
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
velacreations: when did TAT step down and why wasn't shareholders notified?
psterryl: could it be that btcapples guy who did tons of off-market trades between LMB and Havelock?
benkay: velacreations: see the link of mike_c 's
mike_c: 23:39:35ThickAsThieves:NEOBEE is not changing operators.
HeySteve: hey velacreations, enjoyed your aquaponics work
Diablo-D3: velacreations: awhile back, and they were.
jurov: velacreations: paranormal activity
jurov: TaT was snatched by aliens
mircea_popescu: so wait... neobee asked havelock to halt trading because *neobee* suspects there's insider trading going on ?
pankkake: Diablo-D3: you must be confusing with AsicMiner
jurov: and subjected to hyperadvanced rectothermal technology
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8500 @ 0.00094743 = 8.0532 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 500 @ 0.00560863 = 2.8043 BTC [-] {10}
velacreations: they were, funny, I am not seeing anything pertaining to NEOBEE in that link
mircea_popescu: basically what happened here, the cfo ran off with a block of shares ?
neilol: Jesus - sorry, not speaking for you TAT, didn't realize it was actually a sensitive issue
velacreations: that is AM, and TAT clearly says NEOBEE isn't affected
neilol: just a few uninformed not paying attention
neilol: depends on what you mean
neilol: no one by most accounts
ThickAsThieves: the contract with LMB and our services was officially terminated today, initiated by me
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.07298718 = 0.5109 BTC [+] {3}
mike_c: so you are the one who ran away with shares?? (j/k)
Duffer1: every ending, new beginning etc..
mircea_popescu: yes well as general practice, the underwriter of a stock can't just quit, they have to leave the stock to be shepherded by someone else.
psterryl: has there been a hack as some people are suggesting?
mircea_popescu: i suppose in this case, since it's stopped trading anyway it's kind-of moot.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11128 @ 0.00094836 = 10.5534 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.07299692 = 0.438 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 4 @ 0.07805001 = 0.3122 BTC [+]
velacreations: exactly, MP, how does a fund manager just "quit" without notifying the fund?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07045014 = 0.7045 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: velacreations well, apparently he just has notified it.
velacreations: mp, what I mean is that he has (in the past) given advanced notice, and it was sent on official channels, like the exchange, company website, fund thread, etc
benkay: ThickAsThieves: would you clearsign and pastebin something to the effect of "I am no longer affiliated with Neobee, your next point of contact is thus and such."?
Diablo-D3: I want you to prove I should accept Bitcoin for my business.
benkay: it'd be a nice precedent.
benkay: i could put it on my blog
Diablo-D3: think if I start a forum thread, in dollars
Diablo-D3: and say there has to be 25 uses of the code
gribble: Nick 'ThickAsThieves', with hostmask 'ThickAsThieves!~ThickAsTh@unaffiliated/thickasthieves', is not identified.
jurov: Diablo-D3: what's ur bsnss? hosting?
mircea_popescu: velacreations this chan is the gazette of record of all bitcoin asset matters, but that aside i agree it's not convenient for various investors etc to not get info in whatever channels and forms they prefer.
jurov: Diablo-D3: US only?
velacreations: mp, it's not convenient when "official news" has traditionally been given through other means
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 45 @ 0.005602 = 0.2521 BTC [-]
ljack: I hate that I missed your announcement TAT, is there any chance you will be posting it in a public place besides here?
benkay: ljack: i'll host it too.
ljack: lol, i never use irc. until today.
benkay: welcome ljack this is where the biz actually transpires.
ljack: i see now; ill know better in the future
ThickAsThieves: no one "missed" any announcement, so far as the asset was halted beforehand anyway
benkay: ;;ident ThickAsThieves
gribble: Nick 'ThickAsThieves', with hostmask 'ThickAsThieves!~ThickAsTh@unaffiliated/thickasthieves', is identified as user 'ThickAsThieves', with GPG key id B28732FE807495EC, key fingerprint D649FD3B664A6BCF801D727EB28732FE807495EC, and bitcoin address 1NfXM69erAWPDdNrZ2k2UkuV7HDPc6Ebwk
ljack: wasnt trying to insult; just read on the forums that you were no longer involved, was seeking clarification
benkay: would you clearsign a statement that I can host please, ThickAsThieves ?
ljack: I purchased some of the btcapples shares, concerned about the authenticity of them
benkay: or bitcoin sign a message
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.5705 = 1.141 BTC [+] {2}
benkay: sorta the same thing (sorta)
jurov: the text would be "I was notified of paranormal activity and decided to blabla"
velacreations: of course the whole forum is here, they want to hear the news
ljack: I dont mind them freezing it; just want to know I didnt get burned. Guys claims they are legit though
neoncillo: aliens always ruining nice things, first egiptians, then mayans, now neobee
ljack: GreenBits from the forums btw
artifexd: While I expect that TAT will only issue an "I am no longer affiliated" type statement, adding a reason why would be nice.
benkay: are you not reading logs today mircea_popescu ?
mircea_popescu: artifexd i sort-of suspect he'd have said it by now if he perceived he could.
benkay: i want a gpg signed thing!
benkay: logs are insufficient.
jurov: that's why the paranormal suggestion
ljack: Yeah, I dont expect to hear the whole of it
mircea_popescu: benkay no i get that part, but once he signs a gpg statement what do you need permission to host it for ?
benkay: i don't need permission to host it
benkay: i'm asking for a thing that stands on its own.
mircea_popescu: "<benkay> would you clearsign a statement that I can host please" read to me that you want him to permit you to host it in writing lol.
mike_c: asciilifeform: facebook has over 1 billion users. chumpatron will never run out of fuel.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23240 @ 0.00094932 = 22.0622 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform question of mothers towards their young sons that got a girl pregnant, since forever :
benkay: ThickAsThieves: pastebin?
jurov: TaT wants to get bashed :D
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 421 @ 0.00047331 = 0.1993 BTC [+] {9}
benkay: a little anal always consoles me.
mircea_popescu: you know, like coloring books, nobody says they shouldn't exist, just, they should exist in a much more fucking responseible fashion
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 610 @ 0.00095634 = 0.5834 BTC [+]
benkay: thanks, ThickAsThieves
mike_c: well, one way it existed until now is TaT fronted five of the funds. now he's down to zero.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 36 @ 0.0075 = 0.27 BTC [+] {2}
frenchie: so you initiated the termination of your contract with neo for what reasons ?
mircea_popescu: mike_c which means some eager young fellow full of hope and good intentions is about to show up
artifexd: ThickAsThieves Can you tell us when was the last time you had any direct communication with Danny?
GreenBits: Im not too concerned this is a cut and run, too much capital invested at this point. But that is interesting TAT
mike_c: xapo will fix all these problems. they bury shit in a mountain.
kanzure: even if everyting is okay it is probably a good idea to terminate
kanzure: because communication channels can be compromised
mike_c: no no ascii, they have "layer on layer" of security. it'll be fine.
mircea_popescu: mike_c aaa, but was it built from the ground up with a cock in mind ?
kanzure: ThickAsThieves: were the terms of your contract public?
benkay: it's called keybase.io, asciilifeform .
GreenBits: May I ask if this lack of communication contributed to your decision?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform itd be a pretty korean thing to do, you know ? buy a mountain, sculpt the faces of great bitcoin jesuses all around, have a light at the top to represent satoshi...
frenchie: TAT: can you disclose what motivated your decision to terminate the contract ?
kasa32: ThickAsThieves - what made you terminate the agreement since you spoke with Danny on 21st?
kasa32: you had no recent communication with him
mike_c: he said he wouldn't say.
benkay: is NeoBee under the authority of Cypriot or EU banking regulators?
neoncillo: I think it's not since bitcoin is not money in the EU
mircea_popescu: benkay cyprus uses the euro. there's no such distinction really.
benkay: didn't think so. wiser heads, etc.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 18 @ 0.0074999 = 0.135 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 95 @ 0.00732663 = 0.696 BTC [-] {3}
jurov: benkay sure it is. they do work with euros
jurov: bitcoins are supposed to be mostly the backing
benkay: the scam contention being that there's no way they can actually resist a haircut.
ThickAsThieves: The basic reason is that, with my role being largely to facilitate transfers, I could not perform my contract without guarantee it would not make me party to the trading activity under investigation. As mentioned, Neo also recommended halting all such activity as well.
dexX7: investigation - what timespan?
mike_c: it's a sequence of steps. layers.
mike_c: "we’ll use multiple security layers to verify that you have authorized the request. This will initiate a sequence of secure steps to get your requested bitcoins transferred to your wallet within 24 hours."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know, just like true love reduces to you waiting ouside the door while they do it.
ThickAsThieves: dexX7 I do not understand your question, but it's unlikely I have any timelines to offer at this time
jurov: asciilifeform maybe there's nice little sauna near the summit
kanzure: you're saying i should be grateful for irc? that's a funny one
kanzure: i'll answer as soon as i'm done netsplitting
frenchie: thanks TAT, what's your best guess at what's happening ?
mircea_popescu: who was it that said she had called but then nobody picked up ?
velacreations: @ThickAsThieves how long have you known about the suspicious trading issues?
mircea_popescu: velacreations irc highlights people when you mention their name, no need for @s and stuff.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22000 @ 0.00094902 = 20.8784 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: i can't remember my key, what are you on about. 4096 bits, srsly ?
mike_c: well, i think the service is more for those that can't secure their keys.
mircea_popescu: this already means you're using SOMETHING to remember your key, yes ?
mircea_popescu: store btc as a service, if done right (like say bc.info used to do it) has its places. you go to trade some btc in ny central park, you take a blockchain url with you.
kasa32: <mircea_popescu> can you tell us more about the letter you received from US authorities?
kasa32: did they issue more veiled threats?
velacreations: mircea_popescu thanks, is there a way to reference their name just by clicking on it, or do I have to type it out every time?
mike_c: velacreations: tab-completion.
mircea_popescu: for instance right now to have it spit out velacreations i type out vel and hit tab
mircea_popescu: i wonder if there actually exists an irc client w/o autocompletion
tg2: Pi to 1k only takes a few days
kasa32: <mircea_popescu> are you afraid about US taking legal action? can they bring you to US to testify?
tg2: and then repeat every 2x the previous time frame
tg2: Sec can't do much out of the us
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07005 = 0.2802 BTC [-] {3}
kanzure: asciilifeform: yes i'm sure there's someone, somewhere, doing rsa in head
ozbot: Havelock Freezes NEOBEE Trading, ThickAsThieves Steps Down as Fund Manager
bounce basically never uses autocompletion. currently maybe not even bound to a key.
benkay goes back to building docker images
tg2: Well, as long as babikian is still hanging out without reprimand
benkay: jurov: a link to my post there would be neat
kanzure: benkay: do you use plover to build docker stuff
tg2: After frauding billions in penny stocks
benkay: ;;google plover docker
tg2: I wouldn't be worried about SEC asking for info
bounce: rsa gets impractical quickly on paper, much less mentally. might look into that crypto by pack of cards thing though.
kanzure: benkay: plover is like veewee except less awful
kanzure: benkay: the box builder automation stuff
kanzure: bounce: do you have a link for that?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20172 @ 0.00095324 = 19.2288 BTC [+] {2}
benkay: kanzure: packer you mean
kanzure: mircea_popescu: huh? probably not. i don't know who you are referring to.
kanzure: benkay: that link is a good one for explaining it
kanzure: mircea_popescu: interesting. there's a few people showing up with my name. i want them gone.
kanzure: mircea_popescu: there's also this person from theverge with my name.. sigh.
mircea_popescu: well iirc this guy had some sort of cancer, so you might get your wish
benkay: kanzure: nope. clients don't need all that.
bounce: breaking mirrors is bad luck, don't you know
kanzure: asciilifeform: nice, wittig?
mircea_popescu: "come to -assets. only a coupla hundred people here, but you probably have friends in common"
kanzure: asciilifeform: that was a long time ago
kanzure: asciilifeform: and they didn't put me on the paper anyway
bounce: oh right, "solitaire (cipher)", bruce schneier vehicle for the cryptonomicon
kanzure: asciilifeform: dna logic gate stuff
kanzure: asciilifeform: i moved into non-academic garage biology stuff
mircea_popescu: gotta save that one for when anyone asks what's in my fridge.
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kanzure: asciilifeform: terrible piles of crap, aren't they?
kanzure: there's no good reason these machines should cost so much
kanzure: if machine price goes down then synthesis costs can be tweaked
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11400 @ 0.0009549 = 10.8859 BTC [+]
kanzure: well that was an old presentation
kanzure: i've since determined that microfluidics is not the best way for now
kanzure: ideally you should limit the number of stupid-hard problems you are solving simultaneously..
kanzure: well to do dna synthesis on the scale that i want it, you need hundreds or thousands of microfluidic gates
kanzure: and then you need to bother with photolithography and all sorts of other issues
kasa32: <mircea_popescu> US has authority to arrest you and bring you to the US. They have done this before. Just check Liberty Reserve incident
kasa32: <mircea_popescu> you may want to prepare yourself for that scenario
kanzure: that might have been for a new laser
kanzure: it's entirely possible that i suck at sourcing
kanzure: sure. yeah i'm done with grants/whatever. just use my own bucks.
kanzure: right.. so some friends and i were putting together an idea for using lasers to build microfluidic chips.
kanzure: need about 10-50 micron channel widths
kanzure: but again i think this approach is probably bad; why not just build a bigger version like the traditional machines
kanzure: and once it's working, start ripping away and downsizing
kanzure: there was this oligo arrayer open source project that did it for ~$20k
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kanzure: last i looked the synthesizers bottom out on ebay at $400-$700 "maybe working"
kanzure: and ~$2k for "probably working" and $50k for "sorta new, or exactly new, except we know that nobody is building this crap anymore so we're not going to lie to you"
kanzure: do you know of any synthesizer manufacturers that still exist? i'm aware of the refurb shops
kanzure: ABI etc got swallowed up and cancelled their manufacturing
kanzure: nah it's good to get out of that uh.. industry.
mircea_popescu: kasa32 you must have missed the part where i told you this is a civil matter.
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kanzure: asciilifeform: so if you know mike then how do you know me
kanzure: asciilifeform: what is he doing?
kanzure: oh good, yeah he was okay at that
kasa32: <mircea_popescu> civil matter? Kim Dotcom was civil matter also and US managed to get him arrested so...
mircea_popescu: kanzure no no, with the 10micron channels and other stupid hard problems
kanzure: mircea_popescu: i had a colleague on that project and he's still convinced that microfluidics is the way to go, so he's still working on that in portland
benkay: is he involved in the low-g stuff as well?
mircea_popescu: kasa32 you have many distinct categories all confused up here.
kanzure: asciilifeform: i've poked at tecan things. in particular i was playing with jcline's perl library for tecan control.
kanzure: benkay: not that i know of
kasa32: <mircea_popescu> you mean cos of megauploads a legal entity?
kanzure: mircea_popescu: dna synthesis
mircea_popescu: kasa32 i mean because there's no such thing as an arrest in civil proceedings, and i never heard of an arrested witness yet and so on and so forth.
kanzure: asciilifeform: to sell back to tecan?
tg2: mircea_popescu: what is mpex's SEC analogue
kanzure: mircea_popescu: all sorts of things. it's a basic requirement for conducting almost any interesting molecular biology project ever.
bounce: nor should it, probably
mircea_popescu: kanzure which is why i am trying to get a specific out of you.
tg2: You should create mpsec
tg2: And issue requests for information to the SEC
kasa32: <mircea_popescu> yes but if you are called as a witness in a trial, they might bring you there by force
kanzure: mircea_popescu: i don't have a specific project in mind, and if i did, i would just buy the dna from a synthesis company.
mircea_popescu: tg2 i'd rather build organically on proved-to-work infrastructure developed in small steps
mircea_popescu: than go all out with idiocy that'll never work a la us congress.
bounce: they're chasing an idea of "fairness" that's a poor fit to fiat, possibly worse for bitcoin
kanzure: asciilifeform: well, you could always sell it to someone else i guess
kanzure: asciilifeform: or open source it
mircea_popescu: bounce i don't think that discussion is yet ripe. so far they've prosecuted one guy.
mircea_popescu: there's a thousand to go that i and anyone else with a shred of sanity left would readily agree are prosecutable
mircea_popescu: once done with that pile it may be sensible to examine wtf is what.
kanzure: asciilifeform: cool. let me bounce some ideas around in my head. i might be aware of some opportunities (nobody that would want to outright buy this, but.. stuff that is happening.)
bounce: possibly. there's also them being wilfully ignorant, even impotent, in eg. the flash crash thing
kanzure: asciilifeform: do you know the transcriptic.com people?
mircea_popescu: bounce the curse of regulators, in all times and places, is that they can't afford to hire the sort of brainpower they need.
kasa32: <mircea_popescu> they can also charge you of conspiring to help US citizens avoid taxes and such and whatever charges or charge you with money laundry
kasa32: it's not like they haven't done this before
mircea_popescu: kasa32 are we trying to write a block buster movie script here ?
kasa32: I'm just saying you need to be careful and prepare yourself
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform do you know the story of the irradiation accidents with medical equipment cause of this problem ?
mircea_popescu: (comp took out some plastic stoppers to save on costs)
bounce: well, though this is a dangerous suggestion, might look at some sort of theoretical underpinning of why regulating, with what overarching goal if you will. I don't really see them do more than plug holes that may or may not exist
kasa32: take all precautions and such
mircea_popescu: kasa32 your sentiment is appreciated, but had you heard of me before last week ?
kanzure: asciilifeform: so did you reverse engineer the tecan protocol or did you just buy their sdk or what?
bounce: though an environment where a lot of what's being done in fiat is flat out impossible is a good dampener already
mircea_popescu: bounce a lot more thought will have to be poured into those things
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6932 @ 0.00095519 = 6.6214 BTC [+] {2}
bounce: by people with suitable detachment as ooposed to the usual driven to do good type
kanzure: you're talking to the guy who reverse engineered pokemon red and crystal
kanzure: so.. if anything, don't talk to me about time.
mircea_popescu: bounce in general it's been my experiences that only committees that include at least one asshole yield anything usable.
benkay: without assholes on the committee, how can you even know the members are human?
bounce: you've been training for that, haven't you?
kanzure: without assholes, how would you know we're human?
benkay: no asshole, not human.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.055 = 0.11 BTC [+]
bounce: apropos therac-25, that was that thing that only pooped out cryptic numbers to be looked up into large books of errors?
mircea_popescu: "I was born like this, I had no choice. I was born with the gift of a golden voice"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if that worked bitcoin would be full of ceos, venture capitalists and other peaks of intellectual achievement.
kanzure: asciilifeform: every time venter announces another $40M genome i just laugh
bounce: in a way the habitually ignored overly verbose blatter found in intrusive popups on desktops today is the other extreme... with the same effect
kasa32: <mircea_popescu> I've seen some tweets about the letter you received
kanzure: asciilifeform: if i had to pay $40M for every completely custom genome, pfft
kanzure: asciilifeform: are you the p90 guy
andyfletcher: looks like the pdf was wrong in the SEC assertion that handing over the data wasn't against EU data protection regs. MEMO/13/923 and MEMO/14/60 which were approved by the EU Parliament on 2014/03/14 refer to 'all natural persons'. Not just EU citizens.
mircea_popescu: kasa32 yeah. well... i've been here preparing things for many years so far.
bounce: kanzure, just buy some gm corn in the nearest supermarket
kanzure: nope i haven't touched wii yet
kanzure: asciilifeform: private-eye wearable heads up something
ozbot: delroth.net - delroth's website
kanzure: asciilifeform: oh, then mike told me about you
ozbot: Parallel Port Interface to the Private Eye P4 Head-Mounted Display
kanzure: Apocalyptic: wii? none whatsoever
stompysteve: whats going on with neobee i just got online
kanzure: Apocalyptic: way too much time man
mircea_popescu: they can't even comply with the actual fed regulations on document handling.
kanzure: Apocalyptic: pokemon red is "done"- it compiles without baserom.gbc
kanzure: asciilifeform: (this was a few years ago, so no glass comments etc)
Apocalyptic: <kanzure> Apocalyptic: way too much time man // i bet, was looking for something quantitative
kanzure: Apocalyptic: at least 100 hours
kanzure: but the upper bound is probably 2000
mircea_popescu: andyfletcher anyway, you should get a cookie for being the first commentator of the matter to have spotted it. somehow the press covered it extensively but failed to notice stuff like that.
mircea_popescu: perhaps because the press isn't very well equipped to report these days.
andyfletcher: /me is happy to wave a finger in the direction of the SEC and say "Not allowed"
mircea_popescu: who the fuck wants to view porn on airplanes. so you get yourself all good and ready and then what ? ask the stewardess to draw the curtain and the girls to drop the tops ?
kanzure: mircea_popescu: it's the principle
jborkl: Neo bee halted for abnormal trading activity
mike_c: asciilifeform: new oculus is 960x1080 per eye. that beats svga :)
kanzure: oculus is the wrong form factor anyway
kanzure: asciilifeform: so why is everyone such a fuckup with making these?
ozbot: Chaos - Battle of the Wizards pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mike_c: well, i assume not square pixels since there's a lens right in front of your eye.
decimation: That 'therac-25' incident is interesting, thanks for the tip. If you are making a 'firmware interlock' for a radiation machine, I would think you would at least make it in TTL or on an FPGA or something.
mircea_popescu: mike_c he knows what he's asking. you can't really read on the things
kanzure: asciilifeform: does yours still work?
kanzure: decimation: i think that was before fpgas were on the market
mircea_popescu: decimation or not take out the 0.01 cent plastic stoppers
decimation: I bet some mba management directed that
decimation: "how can we shape the bottom line today?"
mike_c: ah. don't know whether the rows are staggered. i didn't know there were displays like that.
ozbot: Re: creation of lisp machine/lispOS - Naggum cll archive
mike_c: who wants to read in VR anyway?
decimation: I find that 'modern' cameras with giant LCD's are universally worse than the old-fashioned viewfinders with baffles
mike_c: well, overlays would be more of a see-through augmentation thing, not a closed off VR experience, no?
mircea_popescu: decimation the insulting part is they're dropping the optical viewfinder ;/
mike_c: this is bitcoin, we don't care about wasting electricity.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.57 = 1.14 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: do you know what 5k sq feet of floor space + garages cost in a SANE PART of the world ?
decimation: I think a competent driver with a good measurement overlay coupled with a radar/laser rangefinder would be more safe in a variety of conditions
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12500 @ 0.00095436 = 11.9295 BTC [-] {2}
kanzure: can you give me another analogy
kanzure: i've never paid for a speeding ticket
decimation: that's clearly an application for high resolution optic viewers
kanzure: mircea_popescu: yeah, i should
decimation: ideally you have car-mounted sensors without any blockage from the columns in the vehicle
mircea_popescu: this i think is a start-up idea right here, sell window + sensor kids for the aftermarket.
mircea_popescu: people would be all over your shit. 100mn of them too, because nothing gets a guy off quite like having the girl that's about to give him a blowjob think he's batman
decimation: I think the angle here is that the "my startup life" folks in california want to jump directly to full automation. Why not mine the more easily achievable sensor augmentation market?
benkay: subject of more easily achievable sensor markets, check out the new client
Musk: mircea_popescu, he's busy with exploding Tesla's
decimation: maybe we can wrap everyone in a titanium shell so they don't experience hardship in life
mircea_popescu: Musk well, imagine how cool it'd be if the front window'd show the explosion parameters in futura font
mircea_popescu: what the... did i lose interwebs or did everyone somehow inexplicably shut up for two minutes
decimation: reading reviews of people who work at SpaceX, it's obvious the business model is "milk underpaid labor from engineers who like "space" on facebook"
Musk: well the Neo fud seems over for now.. :3
mircea_popescu: dairy revolution ensured the supremacy of europe. milking is big, man.
decimation: I think there was a discussion on this channel awhile back about the national security implications of cowgut in WWI Germany
mike_c: decimation: not necessarily a bad deal for the engineers. lot to be said for liking what you work on.
decimation: I'm told that most cows line up to be milked
decimation: Perhaps this is also related to the "beetle man" attitude
ozbot: Would you send money or bitcoins to MtGox when it re-opens? (poll)
mircea_popescu: Question:Would you send money or bitcoins to MtGox when it re-opens? (Voting closed: March 27, 2014, 03:11:32 PM) Yes 34 (43%)
decimation: so are these the deer that walk up to the hunter and kneel down?
ozbot: Looking for investment of ~2500 BTC for music festival, return = ~150,000 BTC
mircea_popescu: decimation no, these are "the community". according to themselves.
pankkake: "p.s: notice name of the seller "btcapples". A notorious spammer troll connected to Mpex. "
copumpkin: 150k btc return sounds like a good deal!
copumpkin: then I can finally be richer than mircea_popescu
decimation: apparently there is sufficient fuel remaining to re-open the gox chumpatron
mircea_popescu: between crumbs, btcapples and a pankkake we can make OUR OWN PIES
ThickAsThieves: btcapples seems to be the only guy to ever conduct a forum-based sale of NEOBEE shares through the LMB platform
mircea_popescu: copumpkin well if you organise a btc festival that nets 150k coins you'll definitely end up with more stds than i ever had.
mircea_popescu: "Also, he tried to sell these(whoevers') shares under false pretense. I believe it was financial hardship?"
copumpkin: okay, can someone pump up S.MPOE to 1 btc each?
mircea_popescu: "People think that anything goes on the internet, but if Neobee was a legit stock under the jurisdiction of the SEC, all the FUD spreaders on the internet would be locked up VERY QUICKLY for the crap they have been pulling recently."
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00092844 / 0.00093843 / 0.00095634 (1640418 shares, 1,539.42 BTC), 7D: 0.00092844 / 0.00094382 / 0.00095875 (6432706 shares, 6,071.32 BTC), 30D: 0.000745 / 0.0008648 / 0.00096 (31129876 shares, 26,921.16 BTC)
pankkake: the amount of shares was pretty small… no one should care really
mircea_popescu: sec definitely spends its time reading yahoo finance boards o.I
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.57 = 1.71 BTC [-]
benkay: ;;google jonathan lebed
mircea_popescu: so basically the shill brigade is arguing this theory whereby indefinite suspensions are a good thing.
mircea_popescu: why are they even involved in this for the love of christ.
benkay: mircea_popescu: not only do they read yahoo boards, they also go after 15 yo's
psterryl: ThickAsThieves: " i dont know whether he's one of the people suspected"
pankkake: isn't it basically stockholm syndrome?
mircea_popescu: JERRY: I don't even want to talk about it anymore. What were you thinking? What was going on in your mind? Artistic integrity? Where, where did you come up with that? You're not artistic and you have no integrity. You know you really need some help. A regular psychiatrist couldn't even help you. You need to go to like Vienna or something. You know what I mean? You need to get involved at the University level. Like wher
mircea_popescu: e Freud studied and have all those people looking at you and checking up on you. That's the kind of help you need. Not the once a week for eighty bucks. No. You need a team. A team of psychiatrists working round the clock thinking about you, having conferences, observing you, like the way they did with the Elephant Man. That's what I'm talking about because that's the only way you're going to get better.
psterryl: yeah im just wondering what constitutes "suspicious trading activity"
pankkake: maybe I should create an exchange where you can only trade if trade.value > lasttrade.value
mircea_popescu: pankkake isn't that basically the bitcoin gem "idea" ?
mike_c: pankkake: that is havelock.. see RENT, see NEOBEE, see ..
ThickAsThieves: psterryl, i dont think i have an answer in that regard
mike_c: referring to new ipo at higher than market price
benkay: o but haven't you heard mike_c the market price is now near the next "i"plol price!
assbot: [HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00600002 / 0.00683184 / 0.00750000 (1556 shares, 10.63033884 BTC), 7D: 0.00525000 / 0.00590396 / 0.00750000 (5321 shares, 31.41496367 BTC), 30D: 0.00510111 / 0.00560668 / 0.00900001 (49033 shares, 274.91242278 BTC)
assbot: Last trade for RENT on HAVELOCK was at 0.00749997 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: mike_c there's a different problem there : if they ipo'd at same price as before they'd have a fiat dilution on their hands.
mircea_popescu: and i fucking need to stop calling subsequent offerings "ipos"
mike_c: this terminology. you can only ipo once! that's why they call it "initial"
mircea_popescu: one day people will be quoting this shit and laughing at me.
psterryl: ThickAsThieves no worries, hopefully LMB put out a statement at some point
mike_c: benkay: maybe it's like an acquisition rumor. why not buy all the lower priced shares if you know it's going to be forced to 75.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26950 @ 0.00094868 = 25.5669 BTC [-] {3}
benkay: past shareholders aren't going to be allowed to sell at that price, mike_c
mike_c: i don't presume that at all. but it's either that, or a complete scam.
mircea_popescu: i still don't understand the merger idea too well, tbh.
mike_c: a random 50% pop after this new PO is announced..
mircea_popescu: rent guy was going to get some north carolina similar service
mike_c: yeah, we discussed. read the logs already ;)
benkay: could just be buying leads, although where capital's going to come to develop them is anyone's guess-JUST KIDDING HAVELOCK
mike_c: oh right, you explained to him that a business that just needs capital has no competitive advantages.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, in his case, maintaining offices in two states, he's setting himself up for the bomb
mike_c: he's not maintaining offices. just providing capital to that other company.
mike_c: it's basically a loan.
ozbot: From the Stacks: Why I Never Hire Brilliant Men | TaoYue.com
jurov: for certain values of brilliant
decimation: I read it as: "I hire only those with high conscientiousness and low neuroticism"
mircea_popescu: neurosis correlates with intelligence about to the same effects rot correlates with wood.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07299493 = 0.146 BTC [+]
decimation: the problem is that actually accomplishing this would be racist
decimation: behavior and personality is highly heritable
decimation: the point is, any test that would be given to an applicant to attempt to detect his or her conscientiousness would be illeagal, like IQ tests are (in the US)
mike_c: lots of blue-collar jobs give personality tests before hiring
decimation: yeah and google gives what amount to IQ tests
decimation: which put them at risk of a civil-rights lawsuit
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10950 @ 0.00095278 = 10.4329 BTC [+]
mike_c: just one of many things you are missing is that no one can buy.
skinnkavaj: And why is it closed in the first place
mike_c: you don't know, yet it is a great time to buy.
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
skinnkavaj: That pankkake and mircea_popescu you are the same person
skinnkavaj: SOmething must have happened on NEOBEE
mircea_popescu: weren't they supposed to at some point release a report ?
pankkake: I was on a forum where we had this ongoing conspiracy that there really were 2-3 users on the forum and everyone else was sockpuppets
skinnkavaj: mircea_popescu: Are you in bed with MPOE-PR or have I misunderstood that?
skinnkavaj: So boring when MPOE-PR on the same thread post the same link all over again, instead of debating
decimation: the United States alleges that defendant City of New York's use of two written examinations on a pass-fail basis, as well as its rank-order processing of applicants, in the screening and selection of applicants for appointment to the rank of entry-level firefighter, has resulted in disparate impact upon black and Hispanic applicants, is not "job related for the position in question and consistent with business necessity" and does not otherwise
skinnkavaj: pankkake: Do you have any investment in any security I check out?
mircea_popescu: yes but a) the city of new york is a public corp and b) firemen and generally blue collar workers are hardly what we were thinking about
pankkake: I have nothing, I took my losses from havelock just because fuck it
decimation: well, a private corp would open themselves up to civil suits
decimation: I'm surprised this hasn't happened with silicon valley already
skinnkavaj: pankkake: On NEOBEE or what did you have there?
pankkake: on everything, I got out of neobee a while ago
skinnkavaj: I am opening a new altcoin exchange for Litecoinlocal, before I was determined that we should have fee shares and take fees on the trading
skinnkavaj: Now I have decided to offer it for free
skinnkavaj: I am gonna make money by offering a really simple dice game on every altcoin traded
skinnkavaj: I wounder how Huobi makes money though
skinnkavaj: It's kinda fun with zero fees, to really see how much your code and server can handle in terms of total trades per second
skinnkavaj: mircea_popescu: I have never understood how MPOE works, but anyway the questionn goes how many trades can you handle per second right now?
skinnkavaj: pankkake: Progamming anything right now?
skinnkavaj: mircea_popescu: Boring answer really..
benkay: skinnkavaj: not much. no more trades on havelock, ThickAsThieves no longer running the 'fund'.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0444 = 0.222 BTC [+]
benkay: so how about this: www.coindesk.com/isle-man-welcomes-digital-currency-exchanges-license-required/
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.056399 = 0.1692 BTC [+]
benkay: bezzle -> crypto may yet fly
skinnkavaj: benkay: Didn't TAT quit managing it long time ago?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0564 = 0.1128 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: "confirmed that a bitcoin exchange that holds client funds with a licensed overseas payment service provider is not required to obtain a licence in the country for its activities."
skinnkavaj: Maybe he quit also NEOBEE for the same reason
skinnkavaj: I guess he thought it was too much work
benkay: don't really think it was the work of the thing, skinnkavaj.
benkay: he'd have said something along those lines when the forum showed up and put him through the wringer
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10131 @ 0.00094546 = 9.5785 BTC [-] {2}
benkay: say it ain't so, mircea_popescu
skinnkavaj: benkay: Do you have any reason to believe it was not that reason?
benkay: at least tell me i'm pretty
mircea_popescu: benkay you've not asked too many people, btw. as best i can tell they're neither a giant scam trying to run witrh a ton of btc, nor a legitimate business.
benkay: what's your read, mircea_popescu?
mircea_popescu: they're an outfit run by an incompetent if vain kid that drank the kool aid. they got some btc together, made some media buys and... that's it.
mircea_popescu: very dot-com ish really, but history is only useful to the literate.
skinnkavaj: mircea_popescu: But the original prospectus was really well thought thru
skinnkavaj: Or else so many wouldnt invest with him
mircea_popescu: skinnkavaj ever pick up a chick that looked good at the disco only to get scared in the morning ?
benkay: skinnkavaj: are you referring to the part where they claimed they'd be able to protect cypriots from haircuts?
skinnkavaj: And I dont think much BTC business is "legal"
benkay: US law, which is not law any more by dint of outlawing the un-out-law-able.
benkay: US tax law which has put itself into the voluntary donation zone?
skinnkavaj: benkay: US tax law was put into voluntary donation zone when Bitcoin was first launched in 2009
benkay: USG is slowly aligning themselves with reality on the ground
skinnkavaj: mircea_popescu: Is MPOE a registred company in US or why did SEC contact you?
mircea_popescu: i imagine they contacted me because they wanted to talk.
dexX7: who did pay the shareholders then?
dexX7: (i don't know how much that was)