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diana_coman: for the other, I don't know that they learn just because they heard it enough times; it might be that they need to hear it several times, yes, but they would just the same if they simply encountered it that many times
diana_coman: well, I don't know really; for one thing the "impression they make" is really a matter of the viewer and his impression so sure, it's consistent with one lens so why not, certainly.
mircea_popescu: nah, was some building we were meeting i don't remembe rwhat local retard that had "security" at the door.
BingoBoingo: I don't see Putin's shift in US-relations as coming too late. US was very committed to blowing its Cold War winnings in Iraq. WTF was Russia to do other than work on the S-400 anti-"Shock and Awe" system and let the US burn treasure on everything else.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, i don't count the ustards as part of culture. saying "math died because mamie in chicago" is entirely like saying "medicien died because mamie in zimbabwe"
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-16 06:51:35 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936626 << heh. i guess the only practicable way to rent in the us is actually like lobbes stumbled upon : pick up chicks, don't put them on the lease, work them for the keep and dismiss when done.
diana_coman: in the process I updated the awk importer too but I don't even know if it's any use given that I'm not 100% sure what is "irssi standard format" really
diana_coman: asciilifeform: is there a link to "first day of log" for a chan? I don't know if I just can't see it or there just isn't one.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936626 << heh. i guess the only practicable way to rent in the us is actually like lobbes stumbled upon : pick up chicks, don't put them on the lease, work them for the keep and dismiss when done.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-18 09:59:04 mp_en_viaje: i can almost hear the cageworthy old woman impelling the nonsense, too, "oh, why don't you want to do $random-stupid-shit, ~are you too scared?!?!?!?~".
mircea_popescu: if you're a young man, YOU DO NOT BUY ILLIQUID, NON-NEGOTIABLE ANYTHING!!!! i don't mean, with money. i mean with anything. you have enough sense to keep your sexual relationships at will rather than get fucking married, fine, but the same applies throughout.
lobbes: http://archive.is/5L8Cb#selection-1483.105-1483.280 << E.g. I think this is: "Don't break the balls! We see here people crossing the square grabbing a rope because the wind was blowing them to shit, families littered along the ropes. In your face Netflix!"
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 14:46:06 lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936485 << because my decision was made hastily and prematurely imo. I don't think I needed to resign. I did so thinking I could eschew choice, but that is stupid; can't ever eschew choice wtf. And this dumb move will result in loss of coolness, as mircea_popescu pointed out; loss of privilege.
lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936485 << because my decision was made hastily and prematurely imo. I don't think I needed to resign. I did so thinking I could eschew choice, but that is stupid; can't ever eschew choice wtf. And this dumb move will result in loss of coolness, as mircea_popescu pointed out; loss of privilege.
mircea_popescu: i don't instantly see the benefit of an alternative. some things do not benefit from alternative, eg a knife which first has you "select which side to be sharp" is a worse knife that is sharp on one side.
trinque: I don't know if it would surprise anyone here, but they do a better job!
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 02:06:51 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, standard wasn't ~properly~ described. standard was described at fucking all, i don't need to explain the difference between your logger which diana_coman 's running now and phf's alleged logger which, for all anyone knows, consists of one mechanical turk who meanwhile got sad / ran away.
trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1935983 << like I say to the 20somethings at work, NOT ENOUGH CONTEXT TO DO ANYTHING BUT KNOW YOUR EMOTIONAL STATE, about which I don't care. jfw get at me and give it a try while I'm at battlestation so I can see wtf. also next time say how you're attempting so some amount of useful activity can take place async
mircea_popescu: i don't see the problem with script-side exeflags.
diana_coman: ave1: a script to set the flags seems fine with me; I don't really see any other sensible option either.
diana_coman: or I suppose "won't help if you don't ask" ; doh.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-07-28 19:01:07 mp_en_viaje: as per http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-01#1806991 tradition i don't even have enough information to distinguish between the case where "phf bleeding to death in a minsk ditch" ; "phf in love forgot all about world" ; "phf kidnapped by unreported alien invasion" or literally any other alternative. nfi how to approach it, either, tried everything i could think of.
diana_coman: nope, I don't think it should be in
mircea_popescu: and i can see the "hey diana_coman if you dun wanna rate johnny 9 then don't knight'him" ?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 01:39:18 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935529 << there's about zero chances i'll tell someone what to do with things that don't interest me. i mean it's not even fucking possible, altogether, by reason of logical inconsistency : if you're not interested in a toy, how the fuck can you summon the basis upon which to tell others what to do with it ? if you're interested then the same thing upon which t
mircea_popescu: coversely, the process of being an imbecile is 1. "here's what i don't like about you" initiating half of the retard's handshake.
mircea_popescu: i don't expect anyone can actually talk to alf who isn't both very intellectualyl lively and has a lot of experience talking to alfs. which technically is the definition of autism, i guess.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, standard wasn't ~properly~ described. standard was described at fucking all, i don't need to explain the difference between your logger which diana_coman 's running now and phf's alleged logger which, for all anyone knows, consists of one mechanical turk who meanwhile got sad / ran away.
mircea_popescu: but yes, to say it plainly : i don't agree phf was some kind of technical monument or example to be followed. making things that work does not enact one into such ; observe that every frog makes things that work, extremely fine things that work extremely well, viz the very fucking frog in question. yet a frog that can breathe is an ordinary frog, not an exceptional engineer.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-11 09:44:24 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935455 - fwiw I don't think anyone contested the quality of the technical work done by phf.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935529 << there's about zero chances i'll tell someone what to do with things that don't interest me. i mean it's not even fucking possible, altogether, by reason of logical inconsistency : if you're not interested in a toy, how the fuck can you summon the basis upon which to tell others what to do with it ? if you're interested then the same thing upon which that interest
lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-13#1935892 << now this I want to get right. I have a piss poor history of time estimation, so I don't trust myself atm to give a proper one.
mircea_popescu: or rahter, if. incidentally, there's some way to read smart data ? i get oyu don't use the buttholes, but locally there still is a way yes ?
mircea_popescu: the reason's half stupid though ; and when i say that i don't mean the smart part's stupid.
bvt: i don't think that zombie socket can interfere with current code -- the local side of the socket gets unused random port automatically. this would be an issue only when bind(2) was called on socket before connect
bvt: asciilifeform: today i had a quick look through stevens, apparently timeout for SO_KEEPALIVE is two hours (digging through linux source confirms), so i don't think this option is any useful as is; TCP_KEEPIDLE sets the keepalive timeout per-socket, but then there is a question to which extent to rely on all of these socket options.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-09 11:53:39 mircea_popescu: as i tell the slavegirls "when they most need my support", "do or fucking die ; and i don't particularly care which the fuck it is."
diana_coman: just for a few, I really don't see how you persist in the idea that it was "logger down" the problem.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: well, for one thing I don't think it's an accurate description of the situation in that...who produced phf, esthlos, framedragger? re esthlos at least I can even say that no, he precisely dropped out of ..production as you put it.
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935455 - fwiw I don't think anyone contested the quality of the technical work done by phf.
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-10#1935440 - I don't think my view on this (specifically for #trilema) has yet enough substance to even warrant the name of "view"; fwiw I'm not even sure that one can define a "threshold" generically, like this.
trinque: but I don't know if my point is coming across.
asciilifeform: trinque: ftr i don't even know what did phf in. (it wasn't the ski mishap, obv. but some chronic degeneration)
trinque: I quite like phf ftr, on the basis of history, but I don't think that's the point
BingoBoingo: During the whole hostel stay I don't think I ever saw even the pickiest kiwi substantially distinguish what the smoked beyond relative strength at the extremes. Or visual appearance.
bvt: asciilifeform: re SO_REUSEADDR - i don't see how it is applicable: as i understand errno 106=EISCONN the kernel believes that the socket is still connected (perhaps socket.timeout case in send()?); so if you proceed to connect without closing it, you'd get double connect on the same socket; and SO_REUSEADDR does not protect against this: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=Zd3l
mircea_popescu: as i tell the slavegirls "when they most need my support", "do or fucking die ; and i don't particularly care which the fuck it is."
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: iirc this has been noted before/it's been around for quite a while, yes (though I thought it was fixed at some point); but I don't think she self-voiced at all.
diana_coman: as to *what* caused the reconnect, I can't say I know exactly: the bot's log duly reports a "listen socket error, disconnecting", followed by the expected reconnect but I can't see / don't know where to look, possibly for anything more informative.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: but exactly because of http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934910 I just can't get the idea of "don't like" when asked re forth
diana_coman: asciilifeform: since I can't say I know *what* you like, that part is not very clear to me: what is it that you don't like about it?
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934823 << again, not irl. and i don't even advise trying this out
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-07 07:18:44 mircea_popescu: i don't specifically care if they become things or not -- but i'd much rather not be asked to foot the bill for their becoming. let them do the work themfuckingselves, which is why i say : piggybacking even more stupid shit atop a tower of stupid shit we're allegedly trying to clean up is... well ? it's stupid!
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-07 01:28:50 mircea_popescu: anyway, biosacks only need names if they're about to log here. both hanbot an' nicoleci are on, and so far what you lot wanna use them for is rather punching bags, from experience, so i don't see the urgency in naming anyone else.
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934570 - after a first look, it seems to me that it all depends on the degree to which one cares about "the system"; personally I don't care and don't even want to make the venture "caring" but to know what I'm looking for: are their notions (eg of "degrees") of any interest at all?
mircea_popescu: i don't specifically care if they become things or not -- but i'd much rather not be asked to foot the bill for their becoming. let them do the work themfuckingselves, which is why i say : piggybacking even more stupid shit atop a tower of stupid shit we're allegedly trying to clean up is... well ? it's stupid!
BingoBoingo: I don't see what's wrong with calling it a college and graduating it to University once 1+ graduates have the credentials to propose new faculties to the college
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-14 02:15:03 mp_en_viaje: in general, fwis, it's ~always much better to do the "use apache for threading and fs-as-cache" model than anything else. but then again i'm not the hacker, don't let me keep you from your destiny.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934283 << and i still don't think there's anything wrong with it. website offering search box not necessity. if bot does, all is well.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 21:23:35 trinque: I was by no means a lisp expert when I wrote the item, so in re: languages thread, I don't think it should reflect on CL
mircea_popescu: anyway, biosacks only need names if they're about to log here. both hanbot an' nicoleci are on, and so far what you lot wanna use them for is rather punching bags, from experience, so i don't see the urgency in naming anyone else.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 04:34:33 spyked: magemagick (what I believe mp-wp uses currently?) or gimp batch processer; regardless of what is to be used, the tools *are already there*, it's the user's problem how or what he uses. I for one don't wanna use web interface for photo processing, nor did I ever intend to add this to thetarpit, nor would I stop anyone from adding them if they wish
trinque: on wot.deedbot.org I don't. it's a cut-of-the-knot approach
trinque: I was by no means a lisp expert when I wrote the item, so in re: languages thread, I don't think it should reflect on CL
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 06:47:33 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934003 << i don't know if didactic's the word, rather evaluatory. we want to know what exact dragons lay there, in the general, and you declared yourself interested in lisp, so it seemed a very natural fit ; then you self-selected the task and i didnt have any objectiosn, for these reasons.\
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934009 << i don't know yet ; superficially hutchentoot seems like it's python-in-lisp as a stotting exercise by the sort of sparsely-beareded / unemployable postdoc students that do this sort of dumb shit because they can (or can't get laid).
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934003 << i don't know if didactic's the word, rather evaluatory. we want to know what exact dragons lay there, in the general, and you declared yourself interested in lisp, so it seemed a very natural fit ; then you self-selected the task and i didnt have any objectiosn, for these reasons.\
spyked: magemagick (what I believe mp-wp uses currently?) or gimp batch processer; regardless of what is to be used, the tools *are already there*, it's the user's problem how or what he uses. I for one don't wanna use web interface for photo processing, nor did I ever intend to add this to thetarpit, nor would I stop anyone from adding them if they wish
lobbes: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-05#1933941 << I don't mind taking this on, though I warn that I will absolutely take longer than asciilifeform would!
snsabot: Logged on 2018-11-10 19:40:02 mircea_popescu: so to summarize : 1. one hour (!?) wrangling with auctionbot on the 4th (the result still wrong) ; 2. 2 hours handling three conflated processes (why do you keep notes as an intermediate step ?) on the 5th ; 3. 1 hour reading logs on the 6th ; 4. half hour reading logs on the 7th ; 5. 1.3 h mostly brainstorming on the 8th ? ; 6. half hour doing... i don't know what on the 9th ; 7. 4 (four ?!) hours doing i stil
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, part of the problem is that i think we index things very differently ; your words don't trigger my memory. do you remember any actual words that were definitely in there ?
diana_coman: huh, I don't even recall what fr.anco.is was
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-04 00:51:38 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933601 << i agree fwiw. i dun use 'htaccess' on own boxen and don't intend to .
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933601 << i agree fwiw. i dun use 'htaccess' on own boxen and don't intend to .
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933381 << this is precisely the case ; do me a favour and move out of here to whatever lords' castle that'll have you on your own power so i don't have to strap on my tool belt and do it in a more permanent fashio,
diana_coman: fwiw I don't think that's MP's point at all.
PeterL: I don't mean two full bots, I mean split the function of your bot into two, so you sould have, e.g. snsabot-listener who never talks, just puts lines in the DB, and when somebody quotes something then snsabot-talker reads it out
PeterL: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-01#1933103 << I don't want to overcomplicate things, but what about having two bots, one who listens and puts things in the DB and another who talks?
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933229 << i don't think there's anything wrong with removing the fragment of a [][] from the 2nd line and putting it in 1st.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933228 << i don't even think it's a cheat, fwiw. more like mastery.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: hm, I don't seem to have gotten that pingback though?
diana_coman: and I don't see any need to change the urls anyway
diana_coman: yes; but not for changing urls (anyway it doesn't help with that, or I don't see how since url uses nosuchlabs /ossasepia, no?)
diana_coman: asciilifeform: I agree re trouble but sadly I don't have any idea how to solve it
mircea_popescu: trinque, aite, lemme do it over, i don't want to pay week-old invoice in bitcoin. 5 mins.
BingoBoingo: I don't see anything other than a martial interpretation of Argentinism (Modern Democracy) at work. Rah, Rah, We R Kool and God/IMFLoans/SovereignDefault/Buitres will indemnify our tribe in the end so long as we appear to go through the motions.
lobbes: Note, too, that my saltmine right now IS a "9-5", only I lucked out finding one that a) "pays well" and b) I don't, actually, work a full "9-5". I'm bezzling the bezzle, in a sense
BingoBoingo: I don't see a situation where the Chicoms step in to save Argentina. Argentina isn't rich in natural resources like Vzla.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-29 03:19:07 mircea_popescu: but i lack ammo, as i don't japanese myself. (the naked girl in snow, she spent 10 years of her life trying to get to the bottom o fthat pile, with mixed success)
mircea_popescu: but i lack ammo, as i don't japanese myself. (the naked girl in snow, she spent 10 years of her life trying to get to the bottom o fthat pile, with mixed success)
trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-27#1931397 << yes, I don't understand what it means to both be decorative and work correctly
trinque: lemme go back and try and figure out what exactly is the problem you're trying to solve, unless you'd endulge me with a restatement, because I don't think I'm following.
lobbes: mircea_popescu: I don't really have a style to cramp atm; I'll eat any and all knowledge right now
BingoBoingo: I don't know where a multi-kilometer line isn't an abuse in itself
mircea_popescu: i don't mean, your luggage.
mircea_popescu: i don't think i have the stomach for more ; which is why the publish-with-drescriptions-instead-of-links model, it's the choice of this or not fucking publish at all.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, more importantly, how do i searc for the string "don't have" ?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-27 07:09:42 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-26#1931343 << this is terrible ; but i don't see anything wrong with parsing url by id first, such that log/date#index goes to #index on whatever date it might be, and to /date otherwise.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-26#1931343 << this is terrible ; but i don't see anything wrong with parsing url by id first, such that log/date#index goes to #index on whatever date it might be, and to /date otherwise.
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-08-27#1931379 << btcbase is a continuation of kako's log, so there's no timestamp divergence. one log stops at dragon, and the other one starts. never the less i don't rely on dates at all: the entirety of log is stored in an array, so kako entry 123 is (aref *log* 123), likewise current log entry 1931379 is at that particular index in array. ☝︎