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trinque: if we were to retain lisp, I'd say pick one, don't have a python alongside it, and don't expect to use much "open source" to help you.
trinque: I don't for example need anything GUI-related in an embedded linux device
mircea_popescu: apparently now there's drama about people i don't even recall ever hearing of. i have fiddy tabs open struggling to keep up with everyone over here and barely managing... it's like an xmas miracle or something.
trinque: and jfw, dorion_road, if you don't see the word "Gales" in there, it's because I'm trying to disabuse you of the notion that there's such thing as a "Gales" which you made, by way of sheer numbers.
mircea_popescu: this isn't a complaint -- i don't personally mind evil exists, nor do i believe it shouldn't exist or that its absence would signal any kind of improvement. without evil the world's boring as fuck, which is why idiots asking dumb questions like "how come an infinitely good god has small children raped to death" are fucking stupid. evil is a better addition to the world than fucking cinema, it'd be way too borning to try
dorion_road: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-25#1956032 << the conference was mentioned, but I don't remember when or by who - josh rossi is also in that pic and moved to panama in 2013. the importance of who was meeting wasn't seriously discussed with me and I didn't have the smarts at the time to ask and figure it out.
mp_en_viaje: dorion_road, aw fuck, the other two aren't even in english huh. this fucking blows, and it's where the sadness starts, i don't know how to fix this.
dorion_road: I've read the english translation of the essences series. I don't recall when I did though and I'm probably due for a re-read.
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, i don't get it, so the idea is i should pay money because you say so ?
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: I don't think anyone present here in is hallucinating that, but not all log readers are here.
mp_en_viaje: trinque, i don't expect 1960s tx is reproducible outside of a hard reset. highly coherent, profoundly skilled workforce in a complete worldview will absolutely require the conditions that spawned them, and will necessarily dissolve once the solvents show up.
diana_coman: and moreover I don't think it's signalling that should be a concern really (in this case or in another).
diana_coman: BingoBoingo: uhm, no, I don't agree on either points.
diana_coman: ugh, I don't like much this precedent on precedent alone but maybe that's just me.
diana_coman: in the case where MPEx does not pay him out, I don't see how he has a say into what happens to the coin so I fail to see how is that part meaningful; if he wants the coin to be paid to asciilifeform entirely then he can do so once he gets it, no? if he doesn't get it, then he can't say what is to be done with it.
BingoBoingo: The fact that he valued voice, whether MPEx pays him out or not... I don't see how that isn't submission. In his best case he gets coin out, maybe he does turn it all over to hostile parties. He agreed that in his worst case where MPEx does not pay him out... his coin stays with Republican interests.
diana_coman: ftr I do NOT mean that he shouldn't get the coin or anything of the sort; I literally mean what I say above namely that I don't see how does that qualify for submission.
BingoBoingo: I really don't see how in this case mike_c could have demonstrated "non-aggression" alone. For his action, he actively acknowledged WoT supremacy. For his recognition of WoT supremacy, laziness has a demonstrable cost.
diana_coman: hm; I think it shows non-agressiveness; whether submission, I don't quite see it.
ossabot: (asciilifeform) 2019-12-18 mike_c: BingoBoingo: I changed my mind, and my offer to hire you: I send you fee of 30 BTC (same amount the mpex account cost coincidentally). If you lose the case and I don't recover my dividend, you send 10 BTC to ascii (nothing to me). If you win and I do recover, then I send 10 BTC to ascii (and you keep the 30). in case of partial recovery, i dunno, we do something gentlemanly.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-18 18:50:33 jfw: trinque: one approach is if money flows and wants patching support, to sell subscriptions covering some defined set of things. Do such clients exist? I don't know but seems like these tend to be large corps already in submission to USG and can just as well buy RedHat
trinque: I don't think there's much daylight between our perspectives on this
trinque: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-18#1955605 << I don't mean to say everything from modern computing is banned.
mp_en_viaje: "he fucked my 3yo daughter with a barbed metal pole, here are the bloody remains", for instance. you'll ignore ~everything~, "he's always been paying rent on time so i really don't care about the corspes" ?
mp_en_viaje: conversely, you also can't ask me to talk to people i don't want to talk to, i'm not a public woman.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-17 17:19:10 diana_coman: I have to admit that I can't quite see a way one would go exactly about making a decision based on a case argued on this sort of thing but then again, it would be the first so I don't find it all that surprising that it's not clear upfront, ofc.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-17#1955551 << i don't think this view is sound, because it essentially destroys the possibility of a republic. the term literally denotes "things held in common". whether these are women, sacks of grain, ships, itineraries or ideas can be mixed and matched ; but that SOMETHING will be held in common, and thus not "between the people themselves" is the quintessential prerequisite of a republic, and in genera
jfw: trinque: one approach is if money flows and wants patching support, to sell subscriptions covering some defined set of things. Do such clients exist? I don't know but seems like these tend to be large corps already in submission to USG and can just as well buy RedHat
jfw: trinque: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-14#1955361 - I don't disagree on either point really, but not sure what anyone can realistically say about the current software mess beyond 'eh'. Minimizing or moreover replacing socialistware with sane things is the long term approach, but meanwhile one still needs things to work. I'm curious to see what you're cooking for sure.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-13 22:25:10 mp_en_viaje: actually, i don't recall you ever saying, either of you ever been involved with start-ups in any capacity ?
BingoBoingo: I don't even see loss of citizenship and therefore rights as an extreme meaning of a negrating, especially at -10. That's more of a -1, -2
diana_coman: I have to admit that I can't quite see a way one would go exactly about making a decision based on a case argued on this sort of thing but then again, it would be the first so I don't find it all that surprising that it's not clear upfront, ofc.
mp_en_viaje: the same sort of naivity permeates throughout, "oh, the dollar will crash". doesn't enter his mind to wonder "against what". it's been sorta-kinda crashing against the euro, i guess, but i mean look at the fucking euro. the whole fucking concept of the dubaloo is that "it hasn't what to crash against" ; and everyone's complicit -- the chinese sure as fuck don't want it crashing against themselves, for instance. the republic's pretty much t
mp_en_viaje: i get it, thing comes with supposed full sources that supposedly build ; i don't know that anyone worth any confidence even tried to in the past however many years. it's still building the wrong way, what the fuck os-awareness of power button. whole fucking point of even having a power butto nin the first place is to have an ALTERNATIVE control mechanism to the operating system.
diana_coman: I don't really have anything to offer as a counterargument to that.
diana_coman: well yes; and there are also C-specific annoyances but I don't think *those* are his fault now either.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-14#1955358 << i don't think they've been thinking about it before in these terms ; but yes solvable. what's more : not only solvable, but beneficially solvable. it's one thing when cleaning up the place is approachable ; it's another thing when cleaning up the place not only is approachable, but actually approaching it necessarily provides an answer to why your scissors kept disappearing. as th
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-13 22:25:10 mp_en_viaje: actually, i don't recall you ever saying, either of you ever been involved with start-ups in any capacity ?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-13 22:20:10 mp_en_viaje: his saving grace is that his clients are in fact very similar idiots in the relevant aspects, which is why i said well targetted. that's the key to success, always find a group of such idiots that, ideally, don't even realise it.
trinque: I don't think you expect to actually be yourselves patching acpica autoconf automake bash bc bison bzip2 cl-hyperspec clisp dash db flex gales-util gcc64 git gnupg less libevent libressl libusb links m4 man-pages man-pages-posix mandoc ncurses nginx ocaml openssh patch pciutils perl php56 py-setuptools python python-docs qmail readline redis sbcl sqlite sqlite-doc tmux ucspi-tcp vim xz zlib
diana_coman: trinque: the comparison OS/protestantism made sense; I get the allergy to hubris cycle too, now that you say it explicitly; my point above was though precisely re loud-before-crashed esp given the long silence -punctured at times briefly, sure- before that; ie the outbursts themselves I get but I don't see to be very useful really.
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-13#1955265 - maybe it's something specific to the 3d block there that messes it up though it's not all that likely (if for no other reason than the basic 1. at first it worked 2. it still works as a separate footnote); anyways, I don't think it's worth the time right now to chase it fully.
mp_en_viaje: actually, i don't recall you ever saying, either of you ever been involved with start-ups in any capacity ?
mp_en_viaje: his saving grace is that his clients are in fact very similar idiots in the relevant aspects, which is why i said well targetted. that's the key to success, always find a group of such idiots that, ideally, don't even realise it.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-10 18:39:12 trinque: dorion_road: ftr I have no problem with trying out your thing and offering critique either. I do have a problem with armies that don't eat, so I'd love to hear how you plan to sustain the effort necessary to maintain an OS.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-12-10 22:34:51 trinque: dorion_road: ftr I have no problem with trying out your thing and offering critique either. I do have a problem with armies that don't eat, so I'd love to hear how you plan to sustain the effort necessary to maintain an OS.
mp_en_viaje: nobody even fucking knows how an os is made in the first place for the simple self-obvious reason nobody fucking made one yet. it's not farming. it's not anything like farming. i don't even know what the fuck it's like, maybe we live to figure it out, but so far we just have some good classes of what it can't be like is all.
mp_en_viaje: maybe the dude asks you a question. then you answer it. that's what you do. you don't go chasing about the street with pre-answers to questions nobody's asked yet ; if the guy asks whether he's qualified he probably isn't, which is not the end of the world, you're not qualified either. what the fuck qualification exam did i pass, per accidens & pro tempore's not a collegiate degree. this isn't homogenochina we're trying to reproduce here,
mp_en_viaje: this is a naive point of view, of the same nature as "all politicians are dubious so i don't vote" or "i've yet to meet a pure hearted maiden thus i have no truck with girls".
mp_en_viaje: i understand the ambiguity's innerving, and i understand the nude dedication behind "well, if it's bad, don't use it then".
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-10 18:39:12 trinque: dorion_road: ftr I have no problem with trying out your thing and offering critique either. I do have a problem with armies that don't eat, so I'd love to hear how you plan to sustain the effort necessary to maintain an OS.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-12-10 22:34:51 trinque: dorion_road: ftr I have no problem with trying out your thing and offering critique either. I do have a problem with armies that don't eat, so I'd love to hear how you plan to sustain the effort necessary to maintain an OS.
mp_en_viaje: i don't think it's him ; i think it's the damned python.
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: I don't mind it or anything; tbh only the other day I had a look at the list of names and picked RubenSomsen to pm & he got at least in #ossasepia, presumably still reading now through the mountain of links he ended up hit with.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-10#1954818 << this "he doesn't need you" thing is such nonsense. i also don't need any other of the things, what the hell, since when it's a needs-based economy.
mp_en_viaje: anyways, it seems all very neoprotestant ("compile your own bible out of letters found around the house!!) which my rather catholic description doesn't do justice to. but it's just summary, i don't mean to rule by misrepresentation.
mp_en_viaje: but i don't think that situation is self-perpetuating.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-10 18:39:12 trinque: dorion_road: ftr I have no problem with trying out your thing and offering critique either. I do have a problem with armies that don't eat, so I'd love to hear how you plan to sustain the effort necessary to maintain an OS.
mp_en_viaje: yes, but nobody knows what the fuck you're either thinking or doing, because you don't express yourself neither consistently nor well. so we're stuck guessing. i'm trying to do as good a job of it as possible, but god fucking help me it's my least favourite activity.
trinque: we don't disagree on that point either; I don't give a shit how many funnybux I have.
trinque: I'm going to just honestly say I don't follow you, because I don't.
trinque: dorion_road: ftr I have no problem with trying out your thing and offering critique either. I do have a problem with armies that don't eat, so I'd love to hear how you plan to sustain the effort necessary to maintain an OS.
mp_en_viaje: because totally, i'll be so very fucking impressed, don't you know it.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-19 01:27:38 trinque: let it be plain that I hate most of you. and you should hate me back. I don't want to hear another dipshit that can't find his way into a 50k/yr business call himself lord.
dorion_road: the second is the python script baggae with USE flag system that makes gentoo gentoo for better and worse. I think the package management is the biggest value in gentoo, but I don't yet know the cost/benefit of tameing it with V.
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: I don't know re that as such; ie I don't mind it either way, whether \t or space, I don't see it as a huge problem.
lobbes: that may be part of it haha. The more I do learn, the more I realize that I don't like it enough to ~want~ to be in front of a computer all day
mircea_popescu: from what i've seen, most people decide they don't really like computers once they get to know them at all.
mircea_popescu: aite, im stopping this. restate your thing properly! by which i mean, fix this one thing ; don't fix the rest of the issues, i've as you've seen meanwhile written bash around it.
hanbot: plenty moar than 6. i suppose it's possible i failed to get an @ in there...but i don't think so. ofc i don't have much of a way to go back and review.
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-02#1954082 - no changes really; on looking at it, that error was thrown on too-short/missing email/name so possibly that's what happened? At any rate, since I don't care about email really, I took the check on email out so please try again and let me know if it's still missbehaving (my testing comments all went through fine, from different machines & IPs).
mircea_popescu: i don't really know anyone who both a) is technically literate and b) thinks post 2015 intel chips are actually worth money, as it happens. a situation eerily reminiscent of every other socialism's progress, late sovok folk similarily didn't think late sovok artefacts worth deploying.
dorion_road: mircea_popescu grub may be required if EFI systems are supported. I don't know if lilo is worth saving or if grub for everything is the better choice.
dorion_road: I don't yet know exactly how they're to be beat, that's for the owner to investigate, report back on the cost/benefits of various decisions and publish his vpatches.
BingoBoingo: It is a small sadness that it looks like I'll be leaving Uruguay just as it starts to get interesting, but... the local vandals don't seem to have discovered how to make "ninja rocks" outta ceramic insulators.
BingoBoingo: Last I looked into it they brought at a minimum an additional ~GB of RAM consumption and ~2-50% of CPU utilization as a "Don't copy this floppy" deterrent that forces everyone to download the version with that shit cut out.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I don't yet speak Korean. Some cases take more digging than others, but places to shove my solicitation are being found.
mircea_popescu: also, EVERY woman looked derpier when she just met me vs when she had known me for a while. EVERY ONE. and i don't mean a little derpier, arguably derpier etc.
dorion_road: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-26#1953664 << I don't know that datacenter in particular. I can ask around though, Panama is small. I'd offer to pay a visit to their office if I was in town.
mircea_popescu: i don't mind, that's for sure.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I don't know if I've been this strictly encouraging to read since the War of Life debut.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-26 04:52:14 spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-25#1953525 <-- way I see it, this version numbering scheme comes as a consequence of the adoption of a "move fast and break things" ideology. it's just numbers, the guys leading those projects don't try to make any distinction between "major" and "minor" changes anymore
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-25#1953525 <-- way I see it, this version numbering scheme comes as a consequence of the adoption of a "move fast and break things" ideology. it's just numbers, the guys leading those projects don't try to make any distinction between "major" and "minor" changes anymore
dorion_road: I don't dispute the noteed [junior management status, but am keen to demonstrate the bootstrapping people process, as BB puts it.
mircea_popescu: seems to me today november the 25th we've not moved inch one away from nov 12th, though it's been two weeks. i don't expect anything substantially different will occur in the remaining two, so i'll just conclude that for whatever reason trinque's not the man for this job.
BingoBoingo: nicoleci: I've long ago settled on XFCE as my balance between "sometime point and click offload pressure on my brainbox" versus "I don't want to subject myself to engineers constantly breaking everything"
mircea_popescu: lobbes, arrived here, it's really high time we compared notes. i have that bash thing that takes out the relevant bits in my log format and forms proper lines out of them ; it also chunks up the file by date correctly. now, how do you do the sql etc ? you have all this already so i don't have to re-do it i expect ?
hanbot: i don't know what's wrong with conceiving an os from the known universe at the time of its conception. you have a manifest of ideals and ideas in there, as you necessarily do in your head, and when it changes you're stuck patching. the os should be for a cause, then, but i don't know why the cause(s) can't be explicitly stated, and structured, so you have a tree of reason and not just results. there's no such thing as general purpose, but there i
hanbot: inasmuch as you can't ever completely specify the future, an attempt to state the purpose of an operating system is doomed to fail either by getting something wrong, or by self-limiting solely for the sake of avoiding the first failure prong. i don't see a third path. if honestly all you wanted the os to do was peel eggs you'd make an egg peeler application, not a kitchen; an "egg peeler os" is the second failure prong, even if it's gloriously fr
diana_coman: someone left some records pointing to my new IP, what can I say; I don't... mind it.
diana_coman: no, I don't.
mircea_popescu: trinque, looky here, i have a job that needs done and a bunch of people who are interested in helpinh with it. for the past month i've been considering you to run the doing, however as i sit here i still don't know if you are or are not going to. you've not yet put out a plan for it, you've not said if you will, you've not set a date for it, you're just making occasional, impredictable and ~useless drive-bys
mircea_popescu: i really don't see the problem with taking anything besides c/cpp/ada out
BingoBoingo: I don't expect GCC is even the place folks would want to run these languages if they were nintendo-izing, but I do wonder how much of a rats nest gcc is.
ave1: Good point, I don't know yet. I was think to remove these before the genesis as the whole thing ways in at 300mb or so. Plus, java and go don't even work as is.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: my intended comment would be this: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=37t_ ; I don't know if it got truncated or what happened (it complains of duplicate if I try it again).
hanbot: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-15#1951420 << recall those several tv channels in .cz entirely dedicated to "women standing around arguing with occasional intervention from men in 'authority' uniform" (incidentally didn't you mention this somewhere? i've been trying to find it for 20mins, fucking hell)? i don't think it's so much that people even like playing the role, per se; the public has a MAJOR fetish for it. i betcha most peop
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: well yes, because had mine too and they can't do both at the same time and etc; around europe I don't need it/care for it but to Montevideo I'd need it.
BingoBoingo: Anyways, I don't think there's anything else that'll turn the kid away from thinking marijuana could be cool than a high season visit to Montevideo.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: not like I don't want holidays even to visit waste in faraway lands; but that would mean first waiting for the gloriously communist ro embassy to finish futzing with the paperwork and issue my new passport so it can't happen right now anyway.