trinque: I dunno what metaphors apply, but surely you know someone besides yourself.
trinque: what do I care if you talk to them. probably zero, maybe >0!
trinque: and the whole point of social topology that isn't dot and flat line below, is that "maybe >0!"
trinque: I'm inclined to let whomever register w/e channel with deedbot, set their threshold for plebvoice, and let the wot work.
lobbes: ah okay. this makes sense. let the wot drive distinction between monkey-castle and actual-castle
trinque: would've saved mircea_popescu years of trilema if the ideal state were "and then I think for all of you for the rest of time"
trinque: but don't take me as presuming to speak for anyone.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-09-14 07:30:39 mircea_popescu: that scary moment when one notices the TWO most recent items in trilema comments queue are trackbacks from other people's blogs.
lobbes:
http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936262 << sure, but the point is I gave my word back 2006 to *her* that if she cosigned I wouldn't default. Maybe I'm foolish but I like to keep my word. Plus, virtually everyone else in my family has backstabbed her / cheated her to some degree, to which she never became bitter about, but instead just put them out of her life and kept on working
ericbot: Logged on 2019-09-14 20:09:08 mircea_popescu: (you may think she has home equity or w/e, but in practice see the medicare threads, it's on loan)
lobbes: I'm probably the only one who hasn't, and I'd like to keep it that way (and while *I* grok that it is really the state that is the enemy here, she wouldn't necessarily). I'd like to let her die thinking *someone* gives a shit about her.
lobbes: Plus I still have the various TMSR infrastructure that I pay for (my VPSen, my dedicated server), and prolly something else I'm forgetting. Still looking like the best way to cut this knot is via the remote work option (i.e. I'll need monthly income of some kind). But the beauty seems to be I can take a massive pay cut from what I make now, since my cost of living should be much lower in South America.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 15:45:52 lobbes: hrm, though I just thought of another rub: my mom actually cosigned my student loans. Which means if I default they will come after her for the money. Those damn octopus arms are everywhere
lobbes: I managed to pay for my first two years (via the much cheaper 'community college' option) with pure cash from my saving from working at the grocery store. The final two years (at the more expensive state school) are what killed me. And I mentally checked out around 6th grade, so my GPA was laughable (literally was in the 2.3 range I think); no scholarships for me.
diana_coman: no idea really but iirc there was a thimbronion around here or such
mircea_popescu: aand diana_coman 's comment yielded a first error fix!
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: re logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-11#1002089 - I still see the point for *different* thresholds in different places; ie 9 is peer everywhere but in #t it's only peers that may speak while in #o it's everyone who didn't get thrown out.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, ah yeah, noody;s proposing you must introduce voice in your own castle.
mircea_popescu: or is the idea that you'd like to have the voice model more flexible, so when a castle owner is specified for a new castle, deedbot also takes specification of voice threshold ?
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: even if/when I must introduce it because possibly some disgruntled good for nothings have nothing better to do than to spam
diana_coman: possibly it's an entirely unrelated matter
mircea_popescu: in extremis yes you could promote a knight or two in that role, if you wish ; but if not, and you want to implement the trilema style voice model instead : why do you want ratings other than 9 to be voiced ?
mircea_popescu: you conceive having a knight rated 8 and a different layer of knight rated 9 ?
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: no, not at all; but why would I want *only knights* to be able to talk there?
mircea_popescu: conceivably you might want it because your castle's so immense, you can't take the whole firehose.
mircea_popescu: suppose in ten years you're actually running uk's main college. #o will now be open to all "concerned parents" ?
diana_coman: that is also perfectly valid yes; hollyhell.
diana_coman: oh boy, "concerned parents" and tzatzele la poarta what next
diana_coman: I can see also why make it 9 only and that's that if the model is either "everyone can speak" or "only peers can speak"
mircea_popescu: i don't instantly see the benefit of an alternative. some things do not benefit from alternative, eg a knife which first has you "select which side to be sharp" is a worse knife that is sharp on one side.
diana_coman: so then, if spammers come spamming, I'll have to man the walls or something, more fun to be had.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, yup, confirmed : pizarroisp.net loads in half second ; nosuchlabs does not load.
mircea_popescu: then a minute later, loads again. and will be fine again for however long, an hour or a day, but then again, taskes a minute off.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 19:05:19 asciilifeform: 'Motherboard has obtained a copy of the email thread, but has censored the names of its participants besides Stallman. ' << bonus lulz
mircea_popescu: for historical lulz : /me actually
put the kaibosh on a romanian wanna-be news outlet back in the day for exactly this sorta misbehaviour.
mircea_popescu: was part and parcel of ye epic
http://trilema.com/2012/sorana-comedie-bufa-intr-un-act/ (the title says "Sorana, funny comedy in one act". unique as far as i know among all literary productions for the stage to date, this play is written ~entirely~ out of material illegally intercepted by romania's chapter of usg.blue, and doled out in court without any kind of supervision)
mircea_popescu: it's literally a collage, i cut up the "secret" court filings produced by "secret" services for its material.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 19:47:03 trinque: I'm a sick troll in the household.
mircea_popescu: not because it'd be hard to implement, but because it creates a "decision slot" in the minds where there needn't be one.
mircea_popescu: all of inca exists because of the false decision slot "between" coke and pepsi, dominos and pizza hut etc. the only way to fix the current us is forbid this false choice, force them to receive randomly items in the respective undiferentiable classes.
mircea_popescu: with the mental energy thus freed, they'd prolly burn the shit down.
mircea_popescu: hence my example with the "booting" knife that runs a .jar to ask you via gui "which side should be sharp this session"
mircea_popescu: (this being, contrary to ulterior protestant misrepresentations, the only meaning of taxation in middle ages : "produce some normal heatlhy unsick unfucked in the head humans!!! we're going to france!!!"
mircea_popescu: then the stupid cunts "became nonviolent" and it all went straight to hell.)
mircea_popescu: and let me say that i really enjoy the sort of problems i am having these days.
diana_coman: I'll chew on that some more (and maybe I won't want to strangle hope all that much anymore).
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 20:05:51 asciilifeform: btw trinque ( and possibly BingoBoingo ) : what's the barest starvation tooling with which weld aluminum ?
mircea_popescu: if have to get aluminium parts connected and don't have weld shield gas, the solution is riveting not welding.
mircea_popescu: but also no reason to use al in your applciation. use zamak, weld with Lotkolben
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 20:11:10 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: IIrc the Home Despot rents MIG welders
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 20:15:26 trinque: go go gadget wget -r
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 20:55:50 trinque: I'm inclined to let whomever register w/e channel with deedbot, set their threshold for plebvoice, and let the wot work.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-09-14 07:30:39 mircea_popescu: that scary moment when one notices the TWO most recent items in trilema comments queue are trackbacks from other people's blogs.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 00:45:24 lobbes:
http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936262 << sure, but the point is I gave my word back 2006 to *her* that if she cosigned I wouldn't default. Maybe I'm foolish but I like to keep my word. Plus, virtually everyone else in my family has backstabbed her / cheated her to some degree, to which she never became bitter about, but instead just put them out of her life and kept on working
ericbot: Logged on 2019-09-14 20:09:08 mircea_popescu: (you may think she has home equity or w/e, but in practice see the medicare threads, it's on loan)
mircea_popescu: make your own decisions on correctly established measurements is the whole of the law.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 00:45:31 lobbes: I'm probably the only one who hasn't, and I'd like to keep it that way (and while *I* grok that it is really the state that is the enemy here, she wouldn't necessarily). I'd like to let her die thinking *someone* gives a shit about her.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 00:45:39 lobbes: Plus I still have the various TMSR infrastructure that I pay for (my VPSen, my dedicated server), and prolly something else I'm forgetting. Still looking like the best way to cut this knot is via the remote work option (i.e. I'll need monthly income of some kind). But the beauty seems to be I can take a massive pay cut from what I make now, since my cost of living should be much lower in South America.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 15:45:52 lobbes: hrm, though I just thought of another rub: my mom actually cosigned my student loans. Which means if I default they will come after her for the money. Those damn octopus arms are everywhere
mircea_popescu: also, the campus was literally one mile from my residence at the time ; and the campus worked mostly as young whore storage in those days.
snsabot: Logged on 2017-07-16 16:54:44 whatisthis: yes. sell all of my stuff and contribute to TMSR however I can?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 20:41:10 lobbes: Of course I'm already regretting that resignation thinking I did that with my classic 'jumpy reasoning'; I think what I really needed was clarity, which comes from communication, which has been working pretty well so far.
mircea_popescu: "why do parents mourn when a retarded son is born ? verily he'll have the easiest life of all their offspring"
mircea_popescu: "why do constituencies regret when their representative teams are eliminated during tournament events ? they should rejoice, their team has to do the least work!"
diana_coman: well, *they* will have the hardest life raising him though; my impression was that they mourn themselves, not the child at all.
mircea_popescu: stoicism is one thing, but cynicism another. can't really mix the two!
mircea_popescu: if this were the concern, pretty sure orphanages still take undesired children.
mircea_popescu: one day the surgery team removed a man's testicles by mistake. the man himself was cavallier about it : "well... it's that much less to wash."
mircea_popescu: if work avoidance worked that well, usgistani chemopsychiatry'd almost make sense, come to think of it.
diana_coman: possibly orphanages take but that's just shifting to a different sort of "hard"
diana_coman: not to mention that after a point they still...do, pretty much
diana_coman: anyway, back to the lordship thing, it's not like worthy knights can't get promoted, quite on the contrary, that was the whole idea afaik
diana_coman: I just realised that it was probably not clear above: my point was why regret the *decision*.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 08:25:10 mircea_popescu: but also no reason to use al in your applciation. use zamak, weld with Lotkolben
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 20:11:37 asciilifeform: somewhat oddly, perhaps, vs traditional comp-building culture , mechanical strength is needed, the crates are abused rather heavily by the porters ( last time BingoBoingo and asciilifeform had to straighten the 'ears' with hammers )
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 06:17:08 mircea_popescu: then a minute later, loads again. and will be fine again for however long, an hour or a day, but then again, taskes a minute off.
snsabot: asciilifeform: time since my last reconnect : 30d 0h 48m
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 06:03:16 diana_coman: mircea_popescu: even if/when I must introduce it because possibly some disgruntled good for nothings have nothing better to do than to spam
snsabot: Logged on 2019-03-13 20:23:03 asciilifeform: recall : the xray best-quote of 5 firms was : 2700 orcdubloons PER SHOT
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 08:42:25 mircea_popescu:
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936363 << turn it whichever way you wish, lordship an' poverty don't work together. in all cases it's better to resolve shortfalls by increasing income rather than by reducing expense, and yes the point's well made that by the time a few hundy a month
make a difference one has much more pressing problems than puttin
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 08:46:39 mircea_popescu: also, the campus was literally one mile from my residence at the time ; and the campus worked mostly as young whore storage in those days.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 09:05:57 mircea_popescu: one day the surgery team removed a man's testicles by mistake. the man himself was cavallier about it : "well... it's that much less to wash."
snsabot: Logged on 2018-05-13 12:46:38 asciilifeform: 'Хорошо тому живется, У кого одна нога, У того яйцо не трется, И не надо сапога.' (tm)(r)
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 09:06:54 mircea_popescu: if work avoidance worked that well, usgistani chemopsychiatry'd almost make sense, come to think of it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, zamac is precisely that, industrial zinc alloys
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 11:28:32 snsabot: Logged on 2018-05-13 12:46:38 asciilifeform: 'Хорошо тому живется, У кого одна нога, У того яйцо не трется, И не надо сапога.' (tm)(r)
BingoBoingo:
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936498 << Leasing Army base would have been much cheaper. Instead they leased the city's main square, took out everything green or movable, and then chroma-key'd the palms and the base of the Masoleum of Jose Artigas. They are filming in the country's principal political location and dressing it as somewhere else.
BingoBoingo: Probably would have made more sense to film at the Punta Carretas Shopping & Prison
BingoBoingo: There's also confusion with different sources claiming the rent being paid for the plaza is millions of pesos Uruguayos or millions of pesos NorteAmericanos.
BingoBoingo: Apparently the naked folks are making 1500 pesos (~45 USD) a day. Which, considering the bulk of jobs in the local economy pay ~20,000 pesos a month with 44 hours workweeks... seems a bit generous.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-09-15 11:55:12 mircea_popescu:
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936360 << nobody's requiring you to take any specific decisions. the limit's the establishment of the facts, you said some things, i retorted because i didn't think they were necessarily factual, not because i thought you should do x or whatever.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 00:45:24 lobbes:
http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936262 << sure, but the point is I gave my word back 2006 to *her* that if she cosigned I wouldn't default. Maybe I'm foolish but I like to keep my word. Plus, virtually everyone else in my family has backstabbed her / cheated her to some degree, to which she never became bitter about, but instead just put them out of her life and kept on working
ericbot: Logged on 2019-09-14 20:09:08 mircea_popescu: (you may think she has home equity or w/e, but in practice see the medicare threads, it's on loan)
ericbot: Logged on 2019-09-15 11:58:51 mircea_popescu:
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936363 << turn it whichever way you wish, lordship an' poverty don't work together. in all cases it's better to resolve shortfalls by increasing income rather than by reducing expense, and yes the point's well made that by the time a few hundy a month
make a difference one has much more pressing problems than puttin
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 00:45:39 lobbes: Plus I still have the various TMSR infrastructure that I pay for (my VPSen, my dedicated server), and prolly something else I'm forgetting. Still looking like the best way to cut this knot is via the remote work option (i.e. I'll need monthly income of some kind). But the beauty seems to be I can take a massive pay cut from what I make now, since my cost of living should be much lower in South America.
lobbes: In other words, this is
step II ain't it? The *fact* is that I'm poor, so I may as well accept that and stop pretending otherwise, yes? I.e. No palpable difference between 90K WFF per month and 30K WFF per month; they are both the same level of poverty
lobbes:
http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936485 << because my decision was made hastily and prematurely imo. I don't think I needed to resign. I did so thinking I could eschew choice, but that is stupid; can't ever eschew choice wtf. And this dumb move will result in loss of coolness, as mircea_popescu pointed out; loss of privilege.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-09-15 12:57:02 diana_coman: I just realised that it was probably not clear above: my point was why regret the *decision*.
lobbes: anyways, this regret will go well with my
penance posts on the consequences of derealisation inducing activities (mind rot is real!)
ericbot: Logged on 2019-09-14 17:46:42 lobbes: Now, question is: what is proper penance in your opinion?
ericbot: Logged on 2019-09-13 08:17:35 mircea_popescu: anyways -- when are we looking at delivery ?
lobbes: Now, are you cool with me releasing patches in pieces? I.e. First patch will be a bot that eats IRC and shits lines into a article on Trilema (under 'logs' category). Then subsequent patches for the rest of the asks.
lobbes: OR would you prefer the whole thing at once?
diana_coman:
http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936552 - so regret your haste then and/or specific choice-avoidance but not your decision; it was made at that time and it's done; regretting the decision only puts you in a very awkward position moving on because now what - you'll be a knight who regrets his decision of being a knight?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 14:46:06 lobbes:
http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936485 << because my decision was made hastily and prematurely imo. I don't think I needed to resign. I did so thinking I could eschew choice, but that is stupid; can't ever eschew choice wtf. And this dumb move will result in loss of coolness, as mircea_popescu pointed out; loss of privilege.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-09-15 12:57:02 diana_coman: I just realised that it was probably not clear above: my point was why regret the *decision*.
lobbes: diana_coman: this is true, huh. Besides, worse things I could be than a knight! I'll take the opportunity to learn how to not decide things in haste for example
lobbes: ty as always for helping me to detangle my brain
lobbes: BingoBoingo: I'm finding that your various updates make for amusing (if not challenging) spanish practice
BingoBoingo: The breaking and not breaking of balls is an important concept here.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 14:19:48 lobbes: In other words, this is
step II ain't it? The *fact* is that I'm poor, so I may as well accept that and stop pretending otherwise, yes? I.e. No palpable difference between 90K WFF per month and 30K WFF per month; they are both the same level of poverty
mircea_popescu: but, traditionally, owning real estate is what separates the bourgeoisie from the mob/vagrancie.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 14:30:31 lobbes: anyways, this regret will go well with my
penance posts on the consequences of derealisation inducing activities (mind rot is real!)
ericbot: Logged on 2019-09-14 17:46:42 lobbes: Now, question is: what is proper penance in your opinion?
lobbes: I think that is it for people running Stan loggers
ericbot: Logged on 2019-09-13 08:17:35 mircea_popescu: anyways -- when are we looking at delivery ?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 14:41:04 lobbes: Now, are you cool with me releasing patches in pieces? I.e. First patch will be a bot that eats IRC and shits lines into a article on Trilema (under 'logs' category). Then subsequent patches for the rest of the asks.
lobbes: roger that then re: the mysql replication. I'll move onto other pieces
lobbes will also cease quoting from other chans into #t
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 14:19:48 lobbes: In other words, this is
step II ain't it? The *fact* is that I'm poor, so I may as well accept that and stop pretending otherwise, yes? I.e. No palpable difference between 90K WFF per month and 30K WFF per month; they are both the same level of poverty
BingoBoingo: !Xbuy 121mn 31 1209 Wired Filthy Fiats, WU is fine but not preferred
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hanbot:
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936285 << more's the point is that your "household" consists of a WoT non-entity (afaik, actually. is it?) that may or may not be just as clueless about saying something here if you get a touch of The Butt. aesthetipolitical bents, righteous as they may be, pale by comparison.