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mircea_popescu: i don't think he wants to talk to anyone, in general.
trinque: this would make me sad if I felt like being sad, and I don't.
BingoBoingo: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-24#1930818 << asciilifeform I don't have AWS installed anywhere, but we do have an access.log
diana_coman: asciilifeform: while ^ is true, signatures seem to be more than "lack of time" though; afaik you read EuCrypt and actually satisfied yourself re MR implementation for instance but I don't recall any signatures from you - or did I just miss them?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-25 07:37:57 mircea_popescu: NOTHING interesting turned up. i don't mean, "low five figures' worth of interesting". not a benjie's worth. feeding the-horde-that-expects-to-be-fed is not merely -ev. it is 0ev.)
feedbot: http://thewhet.net/2019/08/localbitcoins-cracked-corn-and-i-dont-care/ << The Whet -- Localbitcoins cracked corn, and I don't care.
mircea_popescu: NOTHING interesting turned up. i don't mean, "low five figures' worth of interesting". not a benjie's worth. feeding the-horde-that-expects-to-be-fed is not merely -ev. it is 0ev.)
mircea_popescu is rater on alf's side re vpn product notion ; though this may be borne of ignorance, i don't think i ever bought one.
mircea_popescu: i confess i don't understand the difficulty. you call the realtor tell them the house is to go up for sale asap and call the police tell them someone's in your house please take them out.
BingoBoingo: Curiosity, nostalgia, and the late winter blahs beat the idea, grown faint over time, that I don't even enjoy drinking. Loading up on caffeine, water, and vitamins has me feeling much more like a person than when I woke up today.
mircea_popescu: now, to take things apart : i don't think pizarro is sustainable as it stands. BingoBoingo 's been there for years now, and he's already showing the wear at the edges.
lobbes: I gotta say, the last ~20 or so lines have been one weird conversation. I think trinque was trying to say "pizarro needs sales yesterday, want help with it?" and BingoBoingo was trying to say "sure but automation of marketing is also important". Somehow none of the points connected despite everyone seemingly being in agreement (and my attempts at articulating it I don't think helped either)
BingoBoingo: It isn't simply that I don't write new code that works, its that I've only ever successfully coded anyting with my delete key
lobbes: yeah, and per my "not mutually exclusive?" I don't see why you can't have both automation AND good ad copy is all
bvt: mircea_popescu: i don't think it will lead to any vulnerability or something of this sort, no; but still there is a question of what the early users are (i.e. something in net stack, that will stick for a long time?)
bvt: 2. by tty model of linux, you don't pull data using tty driver, the driver pushes the data though several abstraction layers. i would have grok this stuff as well. there is at least one other driver that needs this functionality (for connecting a screenreader to a tty), so i can figure out stuff by looking at what it does.
mircea_popescu: i really don't ~want~ to give anything to these moral repugnants in the first place.
hanbot: i don't think it'd require bringing douchebags in; have a list of unsolved refs, assign a reviewer for public submissions (i'd volunteer), award if solved, relationship can end there.
mircea_popescu: i dunno that it's a bug, just don't leave < floating around.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-23 05:19:48 mircea_popescu: i don't intend to negrate him, as things stand, so you're more than welcome to explore wonderful world detailed in the further paragraphs of that comment.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: come to think of it, the "cloud of tags" is the closest thing to the above in that it changes indeed as content is added; I don't recall if it provides direct link to articles but at least it reflects the content as is
diana_coman: yes but I don't see the problem with that
diana_coman: they do, as they reflect the material put in; but I don't see a problem with a third person deciding to categorize trilema with whatever tags they think greatest and provide the resulting tags + links as their view of it, what
mircea_popescu: eg the trilema article i quoted above : i had fully forgotten about. not in the sense that i don't recognize it when i see it, i do, but in the sense that when i penned http://trilema.com/2019/black-or-white-the-day-of-saturday/ which needed it, i did recall to put it in. i've meanwhile corrected this and added the link, but i am certain there's THOUSANDS of such "actually mp, the item you'd link here is this" "oh shit you
diana_coman: I don't even remember myself ranting on it, huh
spyked: mircea_popescu, I completely agree. fwiw, I can genesis hunchentoot next thing if somebody asks for it. but would rather have the thing reviewed first, a propos of: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-22#1930229 . IMHO gotta document it, so that I don't make the same mistakes when I attempt a sane http replacement
mircea_popescu: i don't intend to negrate him, as things stand, so you're more than welcome to explore wonderful world detailed in the further paragraphs of that comment.
mircea_popescu: look, it's no great mystery i don't think, but in any case, here's what i do : i read the log, line by line, in order. currently i'm processing line http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-22#1930228
trinque: don't even think I was calling you stupid.
BingoBoingo: I suppose we don't yet have an ada for it
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-19 14:20:04 diana_alt: spyked: I don't recall and can't see at http://thetarpit.org/posts/y05/081-feedbot-manual.html - is feedbot for L1 only or does it work for anyone with positive ratings or regardless of rating or what?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I don't think that will be needed http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/05a8I/?raw=true
diana_alt: spyked: I don't recall and can't see at http://thetarpit.org/posts/y05/081-feedbot-manual.html - is feedbot for L1 only or does it work for anyone with positive ratings or regardless of rating or what?
mp_en_viaje: incidentally, anyone happen to recall where the fuck i put in the log a line about how the problem with intelligent people is that they don't want mere solutions, but specifically solutions that rely on that intelligence.
mp_en_viaje: i can almost hear the cageworthy old woman impelling the nonsense, too, "oh, why don't you want to do $random-stupid-shit, ~are you too scared?!?!?!?~".
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-09 00:44:50 thimbronion: BingoBoingo: I can't decrypt the invoice - it is encrypted to a key I don't have.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-15#1928982 << there's nothing in principle wrong with this solution. there may be some practical concerns (ie, might want to get a working unicode set first) ; but other than that i don't see the advantage to having numbers-in-a-rectangle, for instance, in preference of a fixed turd.
phf: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-14#1928700 << in general this hasn't happened to a111 (though i don't have full netsplit coverage, since that requires a bot per all the possible servers we are connected to), i've described the solution in logs, though i can't find it now. when a111 falls over, on reconnect it asks the znc machine to give it all the messages since the timestamp of last known message (+3 hours to
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-14 03:28:54 mp_en_viaje: linux-server-database-scriptglue. that's what it's gonna be. call them what you will, but try and remember : buying "alternatives" doesn't make you alternative. i buy rope from the rope store and server from the apache store because i don't wanna pay 5x for shittier rope bought at the "special bdsm store". it dun do nothing for me.
mp_en_viaje: i don't even disagree with the broad model.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-14 03:21:21 mp_en_viaje: so, not to put too fine a point on it : i really don't give so much of a shit what peculiar buttdildos you use in your own special universe to make yourself feel "different from the rest", "poetic", "not understood" and whatever other such highschooler personal investments. the fact of the matter is, linux exists for and through and by and because apache, mysql, and the glue gluing these together : php. that's wha
mp_en_viaje: python/perl/whatever are not "better php". they might be more comfortable php, which is exactly like "i feel weird buying condoms otc, i really need a brown paper bag". fine, whatever works for you. don't tell me though stories about "the really cool store with the really better condoms". they're not better just because the clerk awkwardness-matches you and the SAME EXACT fmcg offering is proffered in an extra brown paper wrapper.
mp_en_viaje: linux-server-database-scriptglue. that's what it's gonna be. call them what you will, but try and remember : buying "alternatives" doesn't make you alternative. i buy rope from the rope store and server from the apache store because i don't wanna pay 5x for shittier rope bought at the "special bdsm store". it dun do nothing for me.
mp_en_viaje: the fucking design of ~everything~ linux is always the same, and always this. divergence from this is neither clever nor ever functional, it'll always reduce to "i'm running LPyFFF because I don't understand why F has to come before the alt-P".
mp_en_viaje: i don't give a shit what you tell the orcs back home, or your crying inner 6yo at night or anything else -- buy the ticket, take the ride.
mp_en_viaje: so, not to put too fine a point on it : i really don't give so much of a shit what peculiar buttdildos you use in your own special universe to make yourself feel "different from the rest", "poetic", "not understood" and whatever other such highschooler personal investments. the fact of the matter is, linux exists for and through and by and because apache, mysql, and the glue gluing these together : php. that's what it is, that's what it's for, th
mp_en_viaje: god lov'em, cuz i sure as fuck don't.
asciilifeform: i don't presently know why mp_en_viaje makes special pleading for apache et al to exempt'em from 'software is univerally shite'
mp_en_viaje: in general, fwis, it's ~always much better to do the "use apache for threading and fs-as-cache" model than anything else. but then again i'm not the hacker, don't let me keep you from your destiny.
asciilifeform: if i don't find a mechanical method of somehow 'dwim'ing out the intended orcograms, i'ma have the bot replace'em with hammer-an'-sickle . unless someone has better idea.
mp_en_viaje: i don't get it ?!
mp_en_viaje: i just don't understand what two things we're comparing.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-12#1927928 << i'd rather you just leave links plain ; but i don't have that strong feelings on the matter.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-09 04:02:39 mp_en_viaje: 3) the whole of it was always hanging out with the cool people. i don't mean, "cool", as in, swag. i mean cool as in david lynch quote above, dork bought a 12 room house for $3500 in th worst gangland he could find for his wife and newborn kid and lived there, "the fear was palpable"
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-12#1927917 << i don't think that's the ~main~ issue. i think that's the secondary issue ; with the main issue being http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-09#1926670 -- specifically that anything crawling out of cunt can be taught to be polite, socially inocuous, culturally unobtrustive, etc. but NOT everything can be taught to have something to say, a driver inside, the thing here sometimes
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-12 06:08:14 diana_coman: I also ctrl-click so didn't notice but I don't see the reason to bake in "new window"
diana_coman: in fairness, I don't use python much - last time I used it was years ago for generating the Eulora cookbook aka a bunch of static html pages from various data
diana_coman: asciilifeform: it turns out I don't even usually have flask and psycopg2 on my machines
mp_en_viaje: (i end up leaking these in because of other software written by finnicky people who don't like / or * because "there are correct signs for that")
spyked: diana_coman, ty for the reference. btcbase does distinguish ctcp from the rest of msgs by... removing the ":" after the nick. I don't think it's a big deal either way, just noticed it while reading html log.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-11 11:03:43 diana_coman: asciilifeform: actions seem to show in logger as text said rather than in any way different; is that intended? I don't quite grok what's the thing with *nick then?
diana_coman: I also ctrl-click so didn't notice but I don't see the reason to bake in "new window"
mp_en_viaje: and i always ctrl-click anyways so i don't notice ; but i suppose might be desirable for some ? though, why have it baked in when you have the ctrl key to make up your own adventure ?
lobbes: As for *why* these have rotted so: I am not sure. My best guess is that it is because my current #e logotron does many copy operations per hour from the ZNC files (though this is just a stab in the dark; I really don't know if this would cause bitrot)
mp_en_viaje: i don't even fucking rememberr.
mp_en_viaje: here's what i don't understand :
mp_en_viaje: "oh, i just use it to relax, man". yeah, careful you don't manage to relax right off the deck.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-10 14:47:20 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-10#1927224 << i also don't see the advantage in concentrating. wtf would be the benefit of having trilema and logger down at same time ?
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-10#1927224 << i also don't see the advantage in concentrating. wtf would be the benefit of having trilema and logger down at same time ?
diana_coman: but I don't really want the logger there too
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-09 04:02:39 mp_en_viaje: 3) the whole of it was always hanging out with the cool people. i don't mean, "cool", as in, swag. i mean cool as in david lynch quote above, dork bought a 12 room house for $3500 in th worst gangland he could find for his wife and newborn kid and lived there, "the fear was palpable"
asciilifeform: problem isn't 'no way to expose', they're perfectly exposed, e.g. 'M' uses 100% raw syscalls for all i/o . problem is the fundamentally ill-conceived abstraction, where you don't ~only~ have the stream, but also a barely-known and large set of possible out-of-band eggog conditions
bvt: true, but i don't find '80% of cl argument' too convincing; if want comfort, sure, use cl/python; want hard memory limits and gcc performance, can use ada, it won't be fundamentally dirtier (due to tcp and db stuff), just more boilerplate code
bvt: i don't think there is a way out of treating utf8ism as raw bytes, other than finding a heathen library
asciilifeform: or do i misunderstand 'don't need to concatenate'
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-09 00:44:50 thimbronion: BingoBoingo: I can't decrypt the invoice - it is encrypted to a key I don't have.
mircea_popescu: i'm the sort of guy who ~had to think~ school is cool, or else wouldn't have gone. as a nine year old. i'm the sort of guy who told his father where to stick it. as a teen. there's currently a whole regiment of women literally dedicating their life to interfacing as much of the world as possible so i don't start burning it down, because yes, absolutely, the moment i'm not happy with how things are going there i am, jerry c
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-09 03:16:10 mp_en_viaje: also spyked, you never said anything re http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-08#1926226 ; is #spyked something you're serious about or not just yet ? i don't mean to make that call for you by sheer accident. anyone else ? Mocky ?
mp_en_viaje: 3) the whole of it was always hanging out with the cool people. i don't mean, "cool", as in, swag. i mean cool as in david lynch quote above, dork bought a 12 room house for $3500 in th worst gangland he could find for his wife and newborn kid and lived there, "the fear was palpable"
mp_en_viaje: i don't mind saying, but keep in mind you're doing the equiv of asking columbus things about finding new continents. he ~doesn't know~. irrespective of what data may suggest, he was just there coincidentally, at right time.
trinque: I don't for the record know what I'd say, cognizant that I ought to say.
trinque: I don't perceive an alternative.
mp_en_viaje: also spyked, you never said anything re http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-08#1926226 ; is #spyked something you're serious about or not just yet ? i don't mean to make that call for you by sheer accident. anyone else ? Mocky ?
mircea_popescu: i also don't know how i reason
diana_coman: ultimately sure; currently I don't know; I even sketched quickly an Ada thing - main trouble though is lack of proper db interface (and otherwise relying on GNAT.Sockets and therefore the whole strand of streams etc)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, i asked for it ; and then i didn't find it that useful either. i'm guessing i just don't understand what wuld be useful exactly.
diana_coman: tbh I also don't quite grok what's the status re irc as there was the plan to move and so on
mircea_popescu: i don't fucking get it though. how the fuck do lobbesbot and scriba have voice ?
mod6: Like I said earlier this year, I do care about my wot-rating, so I don't want to damage that. Let's discuss/work together to help me move on from these things.
mod6: It seems like Mr. Popescu feels the same way. That I should be drummed out. We've known each other (all of us) for quite some time now. And I don't want to be a "problem" or "idjit" or whatever. Mainly, I don't want to force you all to kick me out. ☝︎
mp_en_viaje: i don't specifically care re the culprint ; but i do not see the wisdom of having a lisp server if it looks like that. for one thing, if you just make it honest c more people can be found to debug it.
shrysr: asciilifeform: ok, will check and revert. but damnnnnnn its working somewhere..rofl. Its such a cool thing and I don't know why its not standard.
a111: Logged on 2019-07-28 23:01 mp_en_viaje: as per http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-01#1806991 tradition i don't even have enough information to distinguish between the case where "phf bleeding to death in a minsk ditch" ; "phf in love forgot all about world" ; "phf kidnapped by unreported alien invasion" or literally any other alternative. nfi how to approach it, either, tried everything i could think of.
a111: Logged on 2019-07-28 23:01 mp_en_viaje: as per http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-01#1806991 tradition i don't even have enough information to distinguish between the case where "phf bleeding to death in a minsk ditch" ; "phf in love forgot all about world" ; "phf kidnapped by unreported alien invasion" or literally any other alternative. nfi how to approach it, either, tried everything i could think of.
mp_en_viaje: as per http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-01#1806991 tradition i don't even have enough information to distinguish between the case where "phf bleeding to death in a minsk ditch" ; "phf in love forgot all about world" ; "phf kidnapped by unreported alien invasion" or literally any other alternative. nfi how to approach it, either, tried everything i could think of. ☝︎☟︎☟︎
BingoBoingo: I don't recall running into it before either.
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-28#1925158 << Just to update: I've spent yesterday and the first half of today re-digging into the #eulora logotron coad, and I have come to the conclusion that I just want to burn it all and start over. (i.e. *I* don't even want to use it anymore) ☝︎
spyked: meanwhile, I'll do something similar to last time: I'll reproduce the comment ad literam at the end of the post and answer below it. and until this is solved, I personally don't mind taking comments here or in any other channel that I reside in (e.g. #spyked)
mp_en_viaje: large portion of why i don't even do non-irc, wtf "voicecall" bs. if i explain it here, i know i have ~at least enough~ to reconstruct later ; and that is good enough.
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-26#1924853 << i think you're right ; don't feel too bad tho, approach was ~retrospectively~ ill conceived ; prospectively it was necessary. but yes, now we know, and because we know, therefore we hafta fix what dun work ☝︎