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taub: dat book ratio
furuknap: Exactly, but to get there, there needs to be a desire for professional information that is more visible. I'm testing the market with a new mining book in a few weeks (maybe a couple of months, depending on whether I move from Norway). Having some experience from publishing, I'd use that to understand the market and what people want.
truffles: whats the price range of this book ?
furuknap: Yeah, that sort of puts you out of the audience of the book :-)
truffles: whats the book about
furuknap: mp, I'm mostly recognized in the SharePoint community where there are two community players that run highly successful ad servics for bloggers and services. I've reached out to one of them who is also a sponsor for my next book and asked whether she'd be willing to look at a similar service for BTC community.
taub: havent been paying attention to the close range book, just the overall sums
Chaaang-Noi: 1984 is an awesome book orwell was a brilliant motherfuckler
thestringpuller: Brave New World is the most awesome book evvvvaaaaar!!!!!
gribble: (obip <width>) -- Calculate the "order book implied price", by finding the weighted average price of coins <width> BTC up and down from the spread.
mircea_popescu: in general, not just mpoe, not just mpex, not even just financials. mtgox book is puffy too
toffoo: but no, the book was about an older one where they robbed the antwerp diamond center
toffoo: mircea_popescu i recently finished a book called 'Flawless' about another belgian diamond heist .. which i think they got away with
mjr___: ideally you can just easily see an order book and either place an order or take an order already listed
mircea_popescu: In 2000, economist and former U.S. Treasury Secretary Lawrence Summers became president of Harvard. Soon after, Summers held a private meeting with West, where he reportedly rebuked West for missing too many classes, contributing to grade inflation, neglecting serious scholarship, and spending too much time on his economically profitable projects. Summers reportedly suggested that West produce an academic book befittin
Chaaang-Noi: never used a book
mjr___: basically it is trying to maintain a level 2 book in real time synched across 20 mobile devices
mjr___: so hopefully anyone anywhere can just say "me meet at location x at time y" and then they have an order book for advertising prices
mjr___: easy to use level 2 book, maybe geolocation features
tiberiusiv: look at the bitcoin otc book
pgp2: then stacks the book at the bottom to create lag, giving the impression that hugh market buy orders are coming in...
davout: mircea_popescu: nice management book
Bugpowder: That japanese cop is reading a book about wine
ThickAsThieves: order book IS lies
error4733: order book can't lie :) 90 easy imo
damientrog: I read a book about about Fatal familial insomnia
nanotube: gribble caches the book data for 120 seconds
nanotube: mircea_popescu: vintage means "how long ago was the order book data retrieved"
rexcrypto: he was planning to write the "bitcoin book"
rexcrypto: what ever happened to zhoutong's book ?
mircea_popescu: <ThickAsThieves> like why fluff the bid book in this case << what's that mean ?
ThickAsThieves: like why fluff the bid book in this case
ThickAsThieves: okay, suppose the actor actually represents a great majority of the highest 5000btc of the bid book on Gox. Couldn't he sell those puts, dump 5000btc into mostly his own bids, driving price lower so he can now buy more btc at the new lower price? As long as he doesnt sell so low that he triggers the bot to excercise, he would be leveraging the btc to get more btc
mircea_popescu: the golden rule of mpex is "it always pays to have positions in the book"
mjr___: specifically look up "papa was a rodeo", "nothing matters when we're dancing", "the book of love"...
mircea_popescu: Cylta the book gets cleared
kakobrekla: Think of this as a book, or at least as a quality blog, to be enjoyed with quality wine and cigars in candle light.
jcpham: perfect storm, a jeweler, a criminal, and a book
mod6: my guess is that the OIX return to its normal state of tracking pricing via options once the book rolls over for next month. every since the correction on the 10th it's been pretty minimal for options.
MJR_: which i will then spit into my order book, i'm going to basically place an order on the internal book for every order i get from gox
mircea_popescu: market buy only tells you the state of the book.
mircea_popescu: even if it's a situation of loaded book, they're settled by fixing
mircea_popescu: MJR_ prolly something you can make. not so hard to query the book
gribble: Error: Failure to retrieve order book data. Try again later.
Chaang-Noi: yeah 21 million on the book, and with 50 million more to come...
ThickAsThieves: what i think is that someone is manipulating, making up a large % of bid book,
kakobrekla: yeah i pasted a link to the book when it was showing that
pgp: all this 0.01 shit on the gox book is ridiculous...
mircea_popescu: you put it on the book, can't cancel it for 1 second say.
Bugpowder: I should probably read that book
mod6: book depth looks strong down to $70: http://bitcoincharts.com/markets/mtgoxUSD_depth.html
KRS1: it's funny if you look it says 864901usd for buying BTC on btc-e but if look at the order book below it doesn't come close the buy walls are way lower then the 80's
kakobrekla: it went like this, price was 95 and bids and asks all around, i placed a buy priced by ask at 95, when page reloaded, i saw in the book order for 85 and my order for 95 and regular orders below
mircea_popescu: ie, padding the book.
mircea_popescu: bot has a "won't sell a call for under X" to protect the book from padding. this because of the open auction style of the bonds financing it. you understand what i mean ?
pgp: wouldn't show up on book until funded
mircea_popescu: basically from what can be seen from the outside they take each order and do a mysql select against the entire book
MJR_: their book is so thin
gesell: there are still 0 whales on the bids book and plenty on the asks
Bugpowder: the bid book is wiped out
ThickAsThieves: is that the bid book will be so thin
Bugpowder: <mircea_popescu> your buy and the bot's cancelling hit in the same second. the bot was a few miliseconds earlier. the trade engine correctly identified the trade as going to book. the server you were talking to however did not. [14:09] <mircea_popescu> it's ungodly that it has needed almost two hours to come to sense, there's been a host of syncing issues under today;s load.
joecool: well it was already easy to fake the order book
splnkr: ColdHardMetal: are you including MtGox's frozen book?
mjr_: i am looking directly at the order book
mjr_: what would their order book be good for?
Bugpowder: order book is updating
deadweasel: I've been pointing to the bitcon-otc order book to everyone freaking on bitcointalk.org..
Bugpowder: is the order book updating to show cancellations?
gesell: wtf is this order on the ask book: u'stamp': u'1360289097384960', u'amount_int': u'100000000', u'price': 13370133701337, u'price_int': u'1337013370133700096', u'amount': 1
mircea_popescu: should be a book line.
Bugpowda: Got filled at 133.335, but my 121.25 is languishing on the book
pgp: orders coming back onto book - looks like...
pgp: good book: reminiscences of a stock operator
MJR_: gesell: i would imagine that once they cleared the book, they pulled those and then watched it sink
pgp: whoops, there went the bitfloor book again...
taub: no point in looking at book data, 60min lag
Chilca: how can you check gox order book or price?
gribble: This order would exceed the size of the order book. You would buy 36730.056 bitcoins, for a total of 27477039122996.8594 USD and take the price to 13370133701337.0000. | Data vintage: 19.7813 seconds
mircea_popescu: if i carry a lot (a lot!) of sold calls on the book and price goes up then i can hurt. if it doesn't then mpex makes bank
mircea_popescu: i can end up either long or short BTC on that book, depending what people did
taub: well worse than the time lag is the fact that no data stream is working no way to see the order book and trades
gribble: Bugpowder was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 14 minutes and 4 seconds ago: <Bugpowder> Looks like handling the unfunded order book was a source of goxlag... https://mtgox.com/press_release_20130409.html
Bugpowder: Looks like handling the unfunded order book was a source of goxlag... https://mtgox.com/press_release_20130409.html
unbalanced_: To understand the many ways you can lose money with Bitcoin... I could write a book
gribble: Error: The width provided extends past the edge of the order book. Please use a smaller width.
gribble: (obip <width>) -- Calculate the "order book implied price", by finding the weighted average price of coins <width> BTC up and down from the spread.
gribble: (obip <width>) -- Calculate the "order book implied price", by finding the weighted average price of coins <width> BTC up and down from the spread.
MJR_: dude the book is so flat right now
jurov: thereby their monstrous order book code achieving sentience
jurov: maybe they clearly think their multicurrency multiorder book isn't laggy enough
MJR_: it does have live book...bitcoinity only has ticker
bgupta: So are the bot algos relatively public? Trying to understand why some spreads are so wide and others aren't? Or are the less tight spreads situations were there is a human counterparties on the book?
denialdenial: the oldest con in the book is to invent a problem and then sell the solution to it
Bugpowder: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Secret_(book)
gribble: This order would exceed the size of the order book. You would buy 55695.451 bitcoins, for a total of 14145613197667.5664 USD and take the price to 9999999999998.9004. | Data vintage: 45.4887 seconds
gribble: This order would exceed the size of the order book. You would buy 55695.451 bitcoins, for a total of 14145613197667.5664 USD and take the price to 9999999999998.9004. | Data vintage: 11.2836 seconds
sturles: Yes. The big deal is that one order book change becomes 16.
sturles: MtGox trades bitcoin against a long list of different currencies. A separate order book for each currency. Order books are connected at +/-2 2.5% of current exchange value.
mircea_popescu: can you show me some documentation somewhere for this part : "MtGox process more than 10 trades a second even during high load. The number of order book changes is _a lot_ higher."