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mjr___: because they are not doing any trading right now i thought
Scrat: there's like a trade every minute
pgp: trading up on other exchnges, though
mjr___: yes, but that wouldn't be in goxlag
mjr___: thats why the figure is bogus right now
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.01 BTC [-]
Scrat: ThickAsThieves: looks exactly like the exit of the bull trap indeed
pgp: uh oh 86
pgp: scrat - yes!
taub: btce higher price than gox lol
mjr___: i've all but decided to ignore mt gox
pgp: massive spread
pgp: mjr: ignore all you want, but that is where the volume is whether we like it or not...
mjr___: true
mjr___: but i think that none of the info is accurate right now
mjr___: basically i meant i am removing myself from the day to day speculation
mjr___: in a year, we won't have to worry about this
KRS1: smart
mjr___: i personally think that this is proven to be valuable, the shitty exchanges, the amateurish business practices...those will fade away
KRS1: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 92.30000, Best ask: 97.70000, Bid-ask spread: 5.40000, Last trade: 97.70000, 24 hour volume: 277905.74548814, 24 hour low: 86.10000, 24 hour high: 130.00000, 24 hour vwap: 109.98186
KRS1: how are these trolls saying $45 on cocks
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20900 @ 0.00070861 = 14.8099 BTC [+]
KRS1: damn trollbox
mjr___: hahaha
mjr___: i'm just too tired to care about mt gox anymore (i've never actually used their exchange)
pgp: new low
pgp: now the lag figure comes back
pgp: ;;goxlag
gribble: MtGox lag is 418.186162 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.838040386402 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from the Sun to Venus (0.72 AU).
c1n0: 7am here
c1n0: another succesful night
ll: !t h him
assbot: [HAVELOCK:HIM] 1D: 1.42000000 / 1.52325 / 1.55000000 (40 shares, 60.93000000 BTC), 7D: 0.75000001 / 1.43929106 / 1.93000000 (302 shares, 434.66590011 BTC), 30D: 0.75000001 / 1.72087506 / 2.08000000 (822 shares, 1414.55930041 BTC)
mjr___: i believe bitfloor is still over 100
KRS1: it's funny if you look it says 864901usd for buying BTC on btc-e but if look at the order book below it doesn't come close the buy walls are way lower then the 80's
Namworld: "Trade engine cooldown (lag too high), order placing suspended until 2013-04-13 21:30:00 UTC"
Namworld: Fuckin Gox?!?
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 1 @ 0.00121 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 10 @ 0.0012 = 0.012 BTC [-]
Namworld: They're doing this everytime the price tries to go down... fuckers
mjr___: this is why i am not paying attention to them
mjr___: too much distortion
mjr___: price discovery is ruined there
joecool: LOL
joecool: Sat Apr 13 21:20:54 UTC 2013
mjr___: if you want to sell, i'd say transfer your coins, and find somewhere else
assbot: The round stones beneath the earth... have spoken through the fire.
mjr___: you won't get the real value at gox
KRS1: ;;ticker
gribble: Error: Failure to retrieve ticker. Try again later.
mjr___: this is what i mean though, they keep halting trading, lag is horrible, impossible to get good price discovery
KRS1: <@gribble> BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 92.00000, Best ask: 93.68822, Bid-ask spread: 1.68822, Last trade: 93.68822, 24 hour volume: 270184.75339750, 24 hour low: 85.81638, 24 hour high: 130.00000, 24 hour vwap: 110.44672
KRS1: circa 45 sec ago
Namworld: no, I already sold my coins
Namworld: like at the peak =P
Namworld: Just trying to daytrade >.>
Namworld: and I get that notice...
mjr___: Namworld: you buying back in?
pgp: wait
Namworld: just a bit to resell on upswings
Namworld: trying to daytrade
Namworld: since there's no trading fees right now anyway
pgp: apt description - it take about a day to get your trade off at gox...
Namworld: yeah
pgp: ;;bids 0
gribble: There are currently 44205127 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 13852258.158 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0097 seconds
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 3 @ 0.0012 = 0.0036 BTC [-]
pgp: lot a coin - new low
mjr___: i specifically think that cash transfers in are held up...
mjr___: though there may be less of that due to confusion
pgp: cash out of gox? really? anyone experiencing that?
mjr___: cash transfers in i think
deadweasel: localtill has notice about mass influx of ppl and delays
mjr___: that is what i am thinking
mjr___: cash coming in is lagging too
mjr___: but bitcoin can be moved easily
mjr___: pretty ironic actually
deadweasel: there is no decent way to do it right now
pgp: i see
mjr___: sellers of bitcoin can do it easier because of how well bitcoin works
mjr___: while buyers of bitcoin find it a lot harder because of the problem that bitcoin fixes
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.01 BTC [-]
mjr___: it is also funny because look how long it takes to get a wallet (10 minutes maybe) vs opening an account with gox (10 days)
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 1 @ 0.00158 BTC [+]
mjr___: 106 on bitfloor
pgp: wtf is going on?
mjr___: lol
Diablo-D3: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 106.00000, Best ask: 107.00000, Bid-ask spread: 1.00000, Last trade: 107.00000, 24 hour volume: 271659.47224216, 24 hour low: 85.50000, 24 hour high: 130.00000, 24 hour vwap: 110.06013
InstantBTC: anybody want to buy bitfunder FIAT.USD?
mod6: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 99.95922, Best ask: 100.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.04078, Last trade: 100.00000, 24 hour volume: 256355.09573227, 24 hour low: 85.50000, 24 hour high: 130.00000, 24 hour vwap: 110.70365
InstantBTC: anybody interested in bitfunder fiat.USD. willing to negotiate
error4733: !asks 0
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 998 @ 0.01 = 9.98 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 1 @ 0.00141 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 1 @ 0.00141 BTC [-]
mod6: ;;bids 70
gribble: There are currently 44077.116 bitcoins demanded at or over 70.0 USD, worth 3582388.69964 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0045 seconds
KRS1: ;;bids 50
gribble: There are currently 111597.63 bitcoins demanded at or over 50.0 USD, worth 7394789.86558 USD in total. | Data vintage: 78.6505 seconds
KRS1: woa only $20 diff
KRS1: more than doubles..hmm
KRS1: ;;bids 60
gribble: There are currently 68666.837 bitcoins demanded at or over 60.0 USD, worth 5118822.40047 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0057 seconds
Skarr: downturn starts within 2 minutes, methinks
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2550 @ 0.00070377 = 1.7946 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.00069882 = 4.8917 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5190 @ 0.00069532 = 3.6087 BTC [-]
Skarr: prediction fail
mod6: book depth looks strong down to $70: http://bitcoincharts.com/markets/mtgoxUSD_depth.html
mod6: but... heh, who would want to trade gox?
kakobrekla: ;;goxlag
gribble: MtGox lag is 21.636523 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.0433593498374 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin ten times between Earth and Moon (0.0257 AU).
kakobrekla: ;;ticker --last
gribble: 100.00000
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.819982 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.819983 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.819985 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 11 @ 0.82 = 9.02 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 9 @ 0.822 = 7.398 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 10 @ 1.54 = 15.4 BTC [-]
mjr___: smickles: hi
mjr___: ;;seen smickles
gribble: smickles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 2 days, 7 hours, 31 minutes, and 42 seconds ago: <smickles> a bitcoin atm could be the easiest way to send money to a friend, each of you just goes to an atm
kakobrekla: ;;bids 90
gribble: There are currently 11300.548 bitcoins demanded at or over 90.0 USD, worth 1071065.90632 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0046 seconds
kakobrekla: where are cheap coins?
assbot: [BTCTC] [LTC-MINING] 1 @ 0.34595 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LTC-MINING] 8 @ 0.34596 = 2.7677 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 99 @ 0.01499 = 1.484 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.6 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.3874 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [SYNERGY] 6 @ 0.11 = 0.66 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [SYNERGY] 7 @ 0.119 = 0.833 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 100 @ 0.01 = 1 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LTC-MINING] 1 @ 0.34595 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [SYNERGY] 5 @ 0.119 = 0.595 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 689 @ 0.35 = 241.15 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 10 @ 0.01 = 0.1 BTC [-]
ll: !t h sdice
assbot: [HAVELOCK:SDICE] 1D: 0.33500001 / 0.34968039 / 0.35000000 (747 shares, 261.21125000 BTC), 7D: 0.12500000 / 0.31245602 / 0.37000000 (2073 shares, 647.72133729 BTC), 30D: 0.12500000 / 0.38628791 / 0.59999900 (8030 shares, 3101.89191280 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14751 @ 0.00070247 = 10.3621 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 1 @ 0.00195 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.385 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 2 @ 0.41 = 0.82 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 103.50000, Best ask: 104.99991, Bid-ask spread: 1.49991, Last trade: 103.50000, 24 hour volume: 179212.74308339, 24 hour low: 85.50000, 24 hour high: 117.90000, 24 hour vwap: 103.55658
mircea_popescu: heh, in the 100 to 130 corridor huh ?
mircea_popescu: nice.
Scrat: Apr14 08:55:52 mtgox x207 4,302.5790 @ 101.26449787 USD
Scrat: oh oh oh
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 74 @ 0.3874 = 28.6676 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 20 @ 0.3874 = 7.748 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 30 @ 0.39 = 11.7 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.39 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.365 = 0.73 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 7 @ 0.3659 = 2.5613 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.3659994 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 8 @ 0.3659995 = 2.928 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.393 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 14 @ 0.3935 = 5.509 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 25 @ 0.394 = 9.85 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 20 @ 0.3999999 = 8 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.4 = 4 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 1 @ 0.004 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 9 @ 0.01 = 0.09 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 229 @ 0.004 = 0.916 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 10 @ 0.0039 = 0.039 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 6 @ 0.00223 = 0.0134 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.804 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 0.8031 = 2.4093 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 1 @ 0.00361 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 30 @ 0.0036 = 0.108 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 1 @ 0.0036 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 4 @ 0.00353 = 0.0141 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 19 @ 0.0035 = 0.0665 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 1 @ 0.00178 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 1 @ 0.00178 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 8 @ 0.41 = 3.28 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 2 @ 0.41 = 0.82 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 1 @ 0.00178 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.40789999 = 1.2237 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=174600.0;all
mircea_popescu: bitcoin-24 apparently cocked up ?
Namworld: That's kind of part of the problem
Namworld: of why people keep using MtGox even if it keeps failing
Namworld: Needs a better trading platform but trading elsewhere than MtGox can be risky.
mircea_popescu: heh.
mircea_popescu: i see what you mean.
mircea_popescu: of course... i see mtgox as quite as risky myself
mircea_popescu: but then again i guess people have this too big to fail mentality going.
Namworld: Well they could. I see it more as a longstanding history of not getting hacked out of all users funds. There was hacks but they at least protect their BTC wallet.
Namworld: You can't review code/measures unfortunately
Namworld: How many other platforms again and again, despite it occuring regularly, popped up with all funds on a hot wallet only to get it all stolen?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10499 @ 0.00071058 = 7.4604 BTC [+]
Namworld: They know others were hacked but somehow don't protect their wallet still, despite having more than a fair warning that's not something to do.
Namworld: Anyway
mircea_popescu: well take bitcoin-central.
mircea_popescu: they've done about the same thing, been in business for about the same interval etc.
mircea_popescu: on the other hand people like bitfloor indeed don't opr at least didn't protect the walletr worth a shiot.
Namworld: yeah
Namworld: oh, I've made another chart of prices compared to the 2011 bubble in it's last days
mircea_popescu: show
KRS1: link?
Namworld: http://i.imgur.com/LWGXliJ.png
KRS1: ty!
Namworld: It mirrors the 2011 almost perfectly, albeit on a different price scale
KRS1: eerie
mircea_popescu: well in as much as there's rebound oscialltions after yeah
mircea_popescu: but to my eye the rise and the fall are pretty distinct
Namworld: Disclaimer: **similarities does not guarantee same outcome**
mircea_popescu: i mean june had a pronounced bear trap on the way up
mircea_popescu: april did not.
mircea_popescu: april collapse was very deep and rebound sharply
mircea_popescu: early on
mircea_popescu: june did no such thing
Namworld: Indeed, it's not a perfect replica.
mircea_popescu: how did you obtain red line ?
mircea_popescu: is it by some math or just hand drawn ?
Namworld: vague, hand drawn following of prices
mircea_popescu: a
Namworld: Not very accurate
mircea_popescu: that's dangerous as it may contain a lot of bias
mircea_popescu: sorta "see what you expect to see" thing
Namworld: True
Namworld: Albeit the drop was much steeper, resulting in a large gap in prices, which might have helped the rebound
Namworld: usually we see more rebounds/stronger ones on sharper movements
Namworld: Hmm, quite late it seems. ALready morning... I'll be on my way I think.
Namworld: Goodbye
mircea_popescu: later
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.8031 BTC [-]
KRS1: mircea popescu- you know what...2011 didn't have something we have now..
KRS1: Fox News and Kudlow? Attention..
c1n0: mircea is alive, fox news lied to me
mircea_popescu: lolk
c1n0: don't panic sell, mircea is alive and well :)
KRS1: lol
KRS1: In Mircea we trust
KRS1: not that fox news and kudlow are the standard or anything..just using them as an example
mircea_popescu: trust, but verify.
c1n0: so glad we survived that crisis
c1n0: almost had to fake my death
c1n0: anyone scoop some nice cheap coins? :)
c1n0: "satoshi's miracle" 3 more before we have to decalre him a saint
mircea_popescu: The French government announced that starting this week, ketchup will no longer be allowed in any school or university cafeteria
mircea_popescu: what's north korea got ?
kakobrekla: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 100.72001, Best ask: 101.33741, Bid-ask spread: 0.61740, Last trade: 100.71001, 24 hour volume: 181415.51969588, 24 hour low: 85.50000, 24 hour high: 117.88999, 24 hour vwap: 102.31635
kakobrekla: dammit
kakobrekla: i want my free coins
KRS1: a little man with an ego
mircea_popescu: lol free coins for what
kakobrekla: for whta?
kakobrekla: for buyin!
KRS1: ill take some free coins..im poor man just tryin to make it in this world
KRS1: might not be much to you, but its a big deal to me
KRS1: ill tell you a joke in return :D
c1n0: kimcoin
c1n0: use it or we'll kill gas your family
kakobrekla: dont worry, everything gets settled when we die if not sooner.
c1n0: havethe sucides stopped?
KRS1: Theres more coming.
KRS1: That dude who put up his family's home for BTC at $160 is about due.
KRS1: Hope you all can sleep good at night.
KRS1: I know I can =D
KRS1: The BTC helps hehe
pgp: morning all
kakobrekla: hi
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2013/discovering-the-secret-villanies-of-alluring-strumpets/
mircea_popescu: for the classically-minded.
pgp: interesting post, mp
pgp: the bitcoin "symbol" on the pants is priceless
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 6 @ 0.00179 = 0.0107 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: :)
kakobrekla: lol
KRS1: clap clap
ThickAsThieves: made $500 in my sleep last night with filled bids and asks :)
pgp: $avg
mpexbot: pgp: 101.38
Diablo-D3: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 104.11100, Best ask: 104.70999, Bid-ask spread: 0.59899, Last trade: 104.11100, 24 hour volume: 181576.37623180, 24 hour low: 85.50000, 24 hour high: 117.88999, 24 hour vwap: 102.05784
Diablo-D3: so we're back to normal?
ThickAsThieves: nah
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 44 @ 0.4 = 17.6 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: seems pretty normal to me.
KRS1: is trading open on mtgox?
ThickAsThieves: yes
ThickAsThieves: and lag is gone
KRS1: great-
ThickAsThieves: fees are back too
pgp: mp: is the bot ever gonna price puts below 1 ?
mircea_popescu: i am considering an algo adjustement. we're doing a bunch of modelling and measuring.
ThickAsThieves: sweet
mircea_popescu: in no case will this be before the end of the month however.
ThickAsThieves: i suspected
ThickAsThieves: was about to say i think bit is done for the month
ThickAsThieves: bot*
pgp: noted
mircea_popescu: can't make changes midmonth, especially as they'd be towards a reduction of premiums
mircea_popescu: as it'd be unfair to bondholders (whether any harm comes to them from it or not)
ThickAsThieves: plus it still could crash to 25
ThickAsThieves: :)
mircea_popescu: this on top of the usual consideration of just letting things be.
pgp: I understand... I am wonderering, though, has anyone bought any of these infinite vol options?
mircea_popescu: haven;'t had muich trade since the huge swings, no.
mircea_popescu: notably pretty much noboduy is goiong in the midmarket either,
mircea_popescu: in spite of the huge spreads.
pgp: not yet ;-)
mircea_popescu: yeah.
mircea_popescu: i9t's been days tho.
mircea_popescu: anyway, i think the financial tier is well spooked by all the insanity propagated at the exchange tier.
mircea_popescu: just all the wash trading going on strictly for mtgox's desire to keep on lieing about its market share should be enough of a problem
pgp: yes...
mircea_popescu: but there's tons of other issues. so i think pretty m,uch everyotne's models are off the charts,
pgp: that's my view as well
mircea_popescu: they just have the advantage of not printing this as mpoe bot does.
mircea_popescu: well, "advantage"
pgp: mp: have yuo considered an RBH model for short calls, or do you see the hassle as not being worth the extra liquidity?
pgp: understand for bond holder's - fixed risk, but for other participants...
mircea_popescu: an upgrade to a more ellaborate model (such as but not necessarily limited to or equal with rbh) has been in the plan since 2011.
mircea_popescu: however, we don't have the market to support it yet is my estimation.
mircea_popescu: certainly the idea is to keep financial instruments as sophisticated as can be borne.
pgp: hmmm... I think that what you need is more brokers...
pgp: and third party platform support to make the options less arcane...
mircea_popescu: certainly more brokers wouldn't hurt.
pgp: been thinking a lot about that lately
mircea_popescu: truth of the matter is there;'s plenty of room to get mpex stuff packaged as a sellable vehicvle. both equities and derivatives (diff, fiat, etc)
ThickAsThieves: the more brokers thing could improve soon...
mircea_popescu: this could be done via hedge funds or via other vehicles, but yeah
mircea_popescu: the thing is, most of this is yet immature. take the idiff futures as a great example. it will be a great instrument down the road buyt for now the underlying is just too nonsensical.
mircea_popescu: (and the people who really need the instrument, ie miners, are much too financially clueless)
pgp: mp: i don't think that you really have to do much more than you already are... your focus on security and availability is what makes MPEX attractive
mircea_popescu: yes, i was about to say : a simple way to test rbh specifically is to just open a brokerage offering rbh-based leverage to customers.
pgp: marketing
mircea_popescu: this is much better than exchange-level implementation because it's so much easier to limit things. throw 1k btc at this project see how long it takes you to lose it all.
mircea_popescu: fold orderly, you've contributed no market instability and in fact an orderly folding is better for one's reputation than continued success.
assbot: [BTCTC] [COG.F] 1 @ 2.15 BTC [+]
pgp: I've implemented real-time RBH - its a hassle - and its arcane, but intellectually satisfying from a risk management standpoint
mircea_popescu: more generally the limited capital and orderly folding is a very important concept that i've been discussing with other people looking to make financial instruments in thsi chan
mircea_popescu: it's crucial for further development i think.
mircea_popescu: there's a reason llc companies irl list their capital.
pgp: agreed
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.39 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.3968 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 80 @ 0.3968 = 31.744 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 100 @ 0.3969 = 39.69 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.397 = 0.794 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 10 @ 0.39797 = 3.9797 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 49 @ 0.39798 = 19.501 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 4 @ 0.39798 = 1.5919 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 23 @ 0.39799 = 9.1538 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 25 @ 0.399 = 9.975 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.4 = 0.8 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: most likely i'll be starting an options fund
mircea_popescu: currently everyone is play-pretending this "unlimited theoretical liability" angle. it's just not workable in any practical way.
assbot: [BTCTC] [COG.F] 1 @ 2.30333 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: it's a fiction, and financial fiction never happy ends
ThickAsThieves: similar to jurov's bond offerings
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves that may work nicel.y
ThickAsThieves: i have much of it mapped out
ThickAsThieves: and a green light from the exchange
ThickAsThieves: just need to write it up
pgp: futures is what we really need...
mircea_popescu: you mean hash futures specifically ?
pgp: BTC futures...
pgp: cash settled based on 24h avg
mircea_popescu: ah. yeah, i've been talking to people. i will list futures, but i will only list physically settled.
mircea_popescu: so there must be someone with the ability to make deliveries.
mircea_popescu: nah, monthly settled by actual delivery.
mircea_popescu: cash settled is meaningless bullshit practically indistinguishable from a scam.
pgp: except that means dealing with fiat
mircea_popescu: whoever runs the future will have to yes
mircea_popescu: so it's pretty much limited to the exchanges. few actuallty have the sense to know wtf this all is so...
pgp: are you prepared to deal with fiat?
mircea_popescu: me ? what business of mine is it ?
pgp: seems to me like you've created something that will evade regulation for a long time because it's strickly BTC
kakobrekla: fiat is a pain
pgp: agreed
mircea_popescu: pgp the idea is for someone who has the ability to make fiat settlements to run the future.
mircea_popescu: this would be an exchange for many practical reasons
pgp: i see
mircea_popescu: also because they'd have to marketmake it
mircea_popescu: which they'd be in the best position to do.
pgp: of course.
mircea_popescu: it really is a perfectly valid and probably profityable niche.
mircea_popescu: but then again, i participate in 20+ discussions a day, all end with "yes, this is yet another niche, just need the people with a clue to do it"
pgp: I wouldn't want to try it in the US...
pgp: CTFC would freak out
mircea_popescu: if you are already running an exchange you'd better have the paperwork in order already, in which case...
mircea_popescu: no extra burden
pgp: any opinion on best foreign jurisdictions for this sort of activity?
mircea_popescu: anywhere you have a banking license as first choice.
pgp: yeah
mircea_popescu: i really think the best way to go is partner with licensed institutions rather than try and do bermudadollars or w/e
pgp: prolly
mircea_popescu: there's what, 150 countries in this world. each has at least five banks.
mircea_popescu: you tell me out of 10k banks there's not a single one you can partner with ? that seems improbable.
pgp: panamanian govt seems very user friendly...
mircea_popescu: might work.
pgp: been poking around there
pgp: gibralter also
mircea_popescu: isn't panama one of the select few countries of which the us kidnapped the head of state ?
pgp: it is... lots of cache...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15050 @ 0.00068692 = 10.3381 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6450 @ 0.00068596 = 4.4244 BTC [-]
error4733: !ticker m s.dice
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.0027 / 0.00299004 / 0.00409999 (279245 shares, 834.95 BTC), 30D: 0.0027 / 0.00349098 / 0.0058822 (1860600 shares, 6,495.33 BTC)
error4733: malta ;)
error4733: cyprus ! wait... not anymore
punkman1: go exotic, Labuan
error4733: wtf haha labuan... just check if its exist, but yes...
pgp: malta is not a bad choice, either, govt very interested in attacting new business
error4733: yes, all big gambling company etc
kakobrekla: or cyprus
mircea_popescu: the question is more if the govt is capable of defending new business.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 4 @ 0.404 = 1.616 BTC [+]
pgp: true dat, mp
kakobrekla: oh i was late with that one
error4733: [14:22] <error4733> cyprus ! wait... not anymore
pgp: i would have said slovenia a couple weeks ago, but...
kakobrekla: yep, i suck not reading.
mircea_popescu: what's the problem with slovenia ?
mircea_popescu: just that it's insolvent ?
kakobrekla: he prolly cant get that cnn video out of his head
kakobrekla: :((
pgp: got the link handy...
pgp: don't mean to throw salt on the wound...
mircea_popescu: but it's neither here nor there.
pgp: j/k
mircea_popescu: so it's insolvent. what problem of yours is that ? you bring fiat in.
pgp: joking
mircea_popescu: o
ThickAsThieves: hmm, there may be another btc dump imminent
ThickAsThieves: [15:09] <ThickAsThieves> ;;bids 75
ThickAsThieves: [15:09] <gribble> There are currently 39194.986 bitcoins demanded at or over 75.0 USD, worth 3382833.99001 USD in total. | Data vintage: 58.9652 seconds
ThickAsThieves: [15:09] <ThickAsThieves> ;;asks 175
ThickAsThieves: [15:09] <gribble> There are currently 48493.234 bitcoins offered at or under 175.0 USD, worth 6706271.46426 USD in total. | Data vintage: 59.7281 seconds
ThickAsThieves: [08:26] <ThickAsThieves> ;;asks 175
ThickAsThieves: [08:26] <ThickAsThieves> ;;bids 75
ThickAsThieves: [08:27] <gribble> There are currently 67783.678 bitcoins offered at or under 175.0 USD, worth 8961608.15255 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0038 seconds
ThickAsThieves: [08:27] <gribble> There are currently 38658.49 bitcoins demanded at or over 75.0 USD, worth 3330653.01159 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0102 seconds
mircea_popescu: pastebin omg./
ThickAsThieves: sry
ThickAsThieves: 20000 new coins on offer
ThickAsThieves: ;;market --sell 10000
gribble: A market order to sell 10000 bitcoins right now would net 959726.8984 USD and would take the last price down to 91.8351 USD, resulting in an average price of 95.9727 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0006 seconds
ThickAsThieves: ;;market --sell 20000
gribble: A market order to sell 20000 bitcoins right now would net 1845892.5144 USD and would take the last price down to 85.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 92.2946 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 11.4068 seconds
pgp: I must say that there is a noticeable *lack* of lag today... all that free market making shit is gone...
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 66 @ 0.00179 = 0.1181 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: heh.
mircea_popescu: what's to trade ? they who wanted btc have them, they who wanted dollars have them.
ThickAsThieves: would be pretty fun to watch a massive dump without lag
pgp: ;;bids 32
gribble: There are currently 177622.71 bitcoins demanded at or over 32.0 USD, worth 10173943.3472 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0061 seconds
ThickAsThieves: winklevoss twins gonna dump us down to 32 :)
pgp: i wonder what price the winklevi got in at?
ThickAsThieves: someone told me 15
ThickAsThieves: i dodnt read the article myself
ThickAsThieves: didnt*
pgp: i suppose that qualifies as an "early adopter" in this environment
pgp: they claim to have something like 100,000 BTC, eh?
mircea_popescu: logically the only reason they'd say anything about it is if they bought high and it counts as a capital loss.
ThickAsThieves: they mustve heard about it though Silk Road press
ThickAsThieves: yeah they claim 1%
pgp: ;;market --sell 100000
gribble: A market order to sell 100000 bitcoins right now would net 7018310.8642 USD and would take the last price down to 50.0100 USD, resulting in an average price of 70.1831 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0048 seconds
ThickAsThieves: not too bad
pgp: mp: interesting interpretation...
stupidz: ;;market --sell 100
gribble: A market order to sell 100 bitcoins right now would net 9972.0481 USD and would take the last price down to 99.7000 USD, resulting in an average price of 99.7205 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0003 seconds
error4733: !bids 0
kakobrekla: its ;; for gribble
error4733: *first coffee
kakobrekla: :)
error4733: ;;bids 0
gribble: There are currently 44136852 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 14770558.6823 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0094 seconds
error4733: ;;asks 50
gribble: There are currently 0 bitcoins offered at or under 50.0 USD, worth 0.0 USD in total. | Data vintage: 20.9177 seconds
error4733: !bids 50
kakobrekla: nein
error4733: ;;bids 50
gribble: There are currently 109504.62 bitcoins demanded at or over 50.0 USD, worth 7521623.90265 USD in total. | Data vintage: 41.5160 seconds
error4733: jajajajaja
error4733: ;;eightball do i need a second coffee ?
gribble: The outlook is good.
kakobrekla: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 231307 | Current Difficulty: 7672999.920164138 | Next Difficulty At Block: 231839 | Next Difficulty In: 532 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 3 hours, 6 minutes, and 21 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 8984122.26112 | Estimated Percent Change: 17.08748
kakobrekla: a few more weeks like that and 100 will be bottom
pgp: yes
pgp: the more time we spend between 90 and 110, the better, imo
kakobrekla: according to my maffs this bubble was ~4x smaller than the first one
savetheinternet: is bitfunder.com the best site to buy shares at?
pgp: of course...
pgp: $32 to 2 is whole different ball game
pgp: then again, as much as I hope it stabalizes here, I think think it goes lower
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 14 @ 0.0018 = 0.0252 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: well
kakobrekla: i hope so too
kakobrekla: :)
kakobrekla: savetheinternet, i guess that would depends on what one is looking for
kakobrekla: -s
pgp: btw, took a while to get down to $2... http://i.imgur.com/LWGXliJ.png
savetheinternet: i dunno, i only just got into the bitcoin assets game. i bought 490 of ASICMINER shares through bitfunder. but the site looks a bit dodgy/messy, and that WeExchange thing looks pretty bad too. just wondering if there's a preferred alternative to bitfunder everyone uses? is there a mtgox of bitcoin assets?
kakobrekla: that is true,
kakobrekla: but there isnt much place to go
kakobrekla: http://smpake.com/etc/btc/
pgp: btc-tc
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 3 @ 0.0018 = 0.0054 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7451 @ 0.00070797 = 5.2751 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3265 @ 0.00071053 = 2.3199 BTC [+]
taub: Fact. The owner of MPEX has attempted to sell NSFW photos of herself.
taub: lol?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 21 @ 0.404 = 8.484 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.405 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 4 @ 0.44 = 1.76 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 5 @ 0.44 = 2.2 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.44 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 115 @ 0.45 = 51.75 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 50 @ 0.45 = 22.5 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: block halving bottom was 0.2 usd per 100mhash
kakobrekla: and it quickly picked up from there
Diablo-D3: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 101.80001, Best ask: 101.96999, Bid-ask spread: 0.16998, Last trade: 101.80001, 24 hour volume: 181684.56390831, 24 hour low: 85.50000, 24 hour high: 116.89000, 24 hour vwap: 101.60381
kakobrekla: some historical resistance shows at 0.6
pgp: interesting
kakobrekla: so if we are using hash power to normalize this a bit
kakobrekla: absolute bottom would be 50
kakobrekla: which was accually hit
kakobrekla: but this is using weighted price
pgp: interesting, but maybe I'm missing something - do you believe that there is a causal link here?
mircea_popescu: taub the fact department is pretty thin
mircea_popescu: savetheinternet mpex does about 80% of bitcoin denominated financials trade.
kakobrekla: well difficulty normally follows price
mircea_popescu: pgp mining at the very least has the impact that when btc goes under mining cost miners move from selling to buying.
kakobrekla: but i think this should be taken into account in a way, i think its helpful a bit, navigating in this movements
mircea_popescu: this switch would by far dominate any functioning market.
mircea_popescu: is btc market functional ? anyone's guess.
pgp: i see
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.48 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 4 @ 0.52 = 2.08 BTC [+]
pgp: bitcoin really is its own beast, eh?
kakobrekla: yea
kakobrekla: nothing like it
kakobrekla: (waiting for goat to scream: LTC!!!)
pgp: lol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.52 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: http://polimedia.us/dtng/c/src/136588457332.jpg
kakobrekla: lol
error4733: it's sunday, i'm not at work ! i can open a MP link...
error4733: 2 times you screw me !
mircea_popescu: lol
kakobrekla: romania is in the red?
mircea_popescu: great place to be.
error4733: Open a link then close the window with a quick look behind me just to check if a workmate didnt see your nasty link
mircea_popescu: it's only nasty if you're not doing it.
error4733: ? naked on a quad
mircea_popescu: here, just for error4733, a gif of my workplace http://polimedia.us/dtng/c/src/13606663711.gif
error4733: hehe i'm green on the map ! i knew it ! never listen a girl
ThickAsThieves: portugal is oddly absent
mircea_popescu: lol
error4733: to much fur
ThickAsThieves: lol
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 7 @ 0.009999 = 0.07 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: where's the chart for vagina depth?
ThickAsThieves: :)
pgp: and the subsequently overlay for delta values... that's the REAL data
mircea_popescu: believe it or not i actually have an article about this.
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.01 BTC [+]
taub: why does anyone think mp is a girl?
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2012/statistica-matematica-cu-numere/ it's in romanian, but the numbers you can get.
mircea_popescu: ~120 mn kms of unused cunt in the world because of the delta.
ThickAsThieves: mp, if there is something you DON'T hace an article about, you're probably writing it now
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves just as soon as i figure it out yeah.
taub: france is high bc they ahve lots of blacks there
mircea_popescu: france always cheats.
ThickAsThieves: "As average vagina has a depth of 18 inches also result there globally about 120 million kilometers from unused pussy (taking round female population as 4 billion)."
ThickAsThieves: priceless
pgp: lol
mircea_popescu: actually,
mircea_popescu: Adaugind toate astea rezulta ca pizda medie parcurge 10.8 metri per futai, in medieii. Cum un an are 12 luni rezulta ca intr-o viata (de 70 de ani) pizda medie parcurge-n pula 9.07 kilometri in decursul vietii ei. Cum ejacularea medie are cam doi mililitri rezulta ca pizda medie scoate o economie de 18.5 litri la suta de kmiii ceea ce-i de altfel destul de ineficient. Pe de alta parte emisiile nu polueaza (ci sunt chia
mircea_popescu: r opusul polutiei).
mircea_popescu: which says
mircea_popescu: "adding it all up, the average cunny rides about 10.8 meters per fucking. since a year is 12 months long it comes to a lifetime's worth of riding being about 9.07kms.
mircea_popescu: since the average cum is ~2ml, the average cunt runs on 18.5 liters / 100km efficiency, which isn't so very great. on the other hand emission doesn't pollute, being the exact opposite of pollution.
mircea_popescu: there be great power in statistex
taub: nasty...
mircea_popescu: aww
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.839 BTC [+]
deadweasel: https://coinbr.com/ref?c=294TNRz1oP
deadweasel: coinbr is good too.
deadweasel: oops, 8 pages in scrollback
deadweasel: good morning all!
kakobrekla: hehe
kakobrekla: heya
mircea_popescu: lol hi
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17235 @ 0.00071053 = 12.246 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13750 @ 0.00071481 = 9.8286 BTC [+]
deadweasel: wow, I now know what the average cunt runs on. thanks mp.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 150 @ 0.00071749 = 0.1076 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4504 @ 0.00071817 = 3.2346 BTC [+]
deadweasel: so should be riding my gf to work?
kakobrekla: on your dick yea
mircea_popescu: either riding her to work or work on riding her works.
deadweasel: excellent. mileage may vary.
Diablo-D3: http://qz.com/74137/six-reasons-why-chinese-people-will-drive-the-next-bull-market-in-bitcoin/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 80000 @ 0.00175 = 140 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: lotsa bitbet
mircea_popescu: o hey
mircea_popescu: !ticker m s.bbet
assbot: [MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0.00175 / 0.00175 / 0.00175 (80000 shares, 14.00 BTC), 7D: 0.00079521 / 0.00173463 / 0.00199999 (110792 shares, 192.18 BTC), 30D: 0.00050015 / 0.00181392 / 0.00201401 (187840 shares, 340.73 BTC)
mircea_popescu: um
mircea_popescu: $vwap s.bbet
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: S.BBET 1 day: average: 0.00175 high: 0.00175 low: 0.00175 volume: 80000 btc: 140.0 7 day: average: 0.00173464 high: 0.00199999 low: 0.00079521 volume: 110792 btc: 192.18398032 30 day: average: 0.00181392 high: 0.00201401 low: 0.00050015 volume: 187840 btc: 340.72766482
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla ^ bug in assbot ?!
mircea_popescu: Rio Tinto’s Kennecott mine in Utah- the US’ 2nd largest silver mine and world’s largest copper mine has just suffered a massive landslide which will likely shut down production at the mine for years as upwards of 1 billion tons of dirt and ore have collapsed into the basin.
ThickAsThieves: usagi wins
mircea_popescu: thats like 4mn oz of silver a year
mircea_popescu: http://www.flickr.com/photos/riotinto-kennecottutahcopper/8644405476/sizes/z/in/photostream/
mircea_popescu: pretty cool pix
ThickAsThieves: wow that is cool
error4733: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSu5Yyc1bEM
error4733: The only working product in this video is the laser engraver...?
error4733: " "
ThickAsThieves: vid looks like it was made in 1995
pgp: i think that the last 12 hours has been the first period of time since bitcoin started to dive that we haven't had any significant lag...
pgp: hooray for fee reinstatement!
ThickAsThieves: it seemed to be fixed before the fees
pgp: ?
ThickAsThieves: i recall trading briskly for an hour or so and then being like wtf, fees?
pgp: http://jezus.si/graf/dashboards/bitcoin/details/lag/
error4733: they crash the market to cover news servers cost :)
pgp: lol
pgp: the real improvement will come on apr 17th when the get rid of unfunded orders..
taub: yep i dont know why they take so long to do that
ThickAsThieves: the feature will be missed
error4733: give time to ppl to found account
ThickAsThieves: would be nice to have a triggered order feature
pgp: it is interesting to note, though, that if they had a scaleable matching engine, lower fees would definately result in more volume...
taub: lots of competition emerging, i dont think mtgox will be really around after 2013
taub: around, but not #1
pgp: RIP
pgp: taub - what is the most credible solution/future competition you've heard about
pgp: 'cuz although I see more competitors coming to the table, I haven't heard of anything that compelling...
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.09611 BTC [-]
error4733: pgp http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1c7v6z/buttercoin_open_source_highperformance_bitcoin/
taub: yea buttercoin, kraken, whatever max keiser is cooking up
taub: that exchange franchising business
taub: where you can rent software
JWU42: didn't rg "run" BitVPS and was responsible for the listing on MPeX?
pgp: yeah - ok - nothing I haven't heard about... none of these approaches seem very convincing to me...
b0n1: is there someone who runs a bot on bitcoin-central?
b0n1: i cant manage the oauth2 verification, even if i run the exact same code that is in their example
KRS1: what docs u looking at
error4733: bitcoin-central ? try bitcoinica !
Diablo-D3: error4733: hurr
ThickAsThieves: ;;nethash
gribble: 63526.5311894
ThickAsThieves: 5000 gone in a week
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 5 @ 0.0135 = 0.0675 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 5 @ 0.014 = 0.07 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.441 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 4 @ 0.1 = 0.4 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 6 @ 0.1019 = 0.6114 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 1.16 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 5 @ 0.01 = 0.05 BTC [+]
error4733: same % of new account provide paper for verifiaction, that what they say when some ppl ask the same question as you !
TheMonarchTx: do accounts need to be verified before they can send API calls?
TheMonarchTx: or do you only need to verify to withdraw funds?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 1.16 BTC [+]
b0n1: KRS1, i look at the official API doc from the homepage of bitcoin central
b0n1: https://github.com/paytunia/api-documentation
error4733: dunno, but speculate on mtgox improvement before they happen is just... useless!?
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.8433 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 0.8433 = 4.2165 BTC [+]
b0n1: KRS1, directly under Full usage example i used the ruby gem code
b0n1: it works all find at first and get the url for the authorization code, on token.get i get an empty boday
b0n1: body
error4733: my guess is they change a lot last week
error4733: with the secuity breach, maybe githud is not updated yet
b0n1: hm k, but isnt someone here running a bot on bitcoin central?
KRS1: ok hmm
KRS1: do u have the gems u need
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 50 @ 0.2 = 10 BTC [+]
b0n1: i think so
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 3 @ 0.2 = 0.6 BTC [+]
b0n1: or which one do you mean?
b0n1: KRS1, ?
error4733: ;;eightball can we trust bitcoin-central ?
gribble: One would be wise to think so.
b0n1: ;;nethash
gribble: 63526.5311894
b0n1: ;;eightball can we trust mtgox ?
gribble: No clue.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20250 @ 0.00070057 = 14.1865 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [SYNERGY] 1 @ 0.109 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.2 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4950 @ 0.00070585 = 3.494 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8300 @ 0.00071043 = 5.8966 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.441 = 0.882 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: ;;seen ThickAsThieves
gribble: ThickAsThieves was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 hour, 27 minutes, and 11 seconds ago: <ThickAsThieves> 5000 gone in a week
thestringpuller: ;;seen smickles
gribble: smickles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 3 days, 0 hours, 39 minutes, and 52 seconds ago: <smickles> a bitcoin atm could be the easiest way to send money to a friend, each of you just goes to an atm
thestringpuller: ThickAsThieves: why does usagi win?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9854 @ 0.00071437 = 7.0394 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: ;;bids 0
gribble: There are currently 44183451 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 14395071.0479 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0215 seconds
ThickAsThieves: because he deals in silver
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-GOLD] 1 @ 0.0099 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: and now there is way less getting mined
ThickAsThieves: Bugpowder whatchoo think about current price
Bugpowder: It's 100
Bugpowder: as expected
error4733: i quote the 30$ pronostic
error4733: ;)
ThickAsThieves: i'm thinking a rally tonight and tomorrow
Bugpowder: quote the $100 prognositc
Bugpowder: 30 is a 3 month price target
Bugpowder: wobble around 100, then a slow fade over the next 2 months
ThickAsThieves: last night someone was maintaining a 7k btc floor for a long time
ThickAsThieves: at 100
error4733: so you short all your btc ?
Bugpowder: nope
error4733: the 30% remaning
Bugpowder: I cashed 70%
Bugpowder: the 30% I hold
Bugpowder: I mean, my deep analysis is based on lining up the last bubble chart to this one
Bugpowder: so...
error4733: yes i saw this pic...
Bugpowder: not a lot of confidence there :)
error4733: bearish pic
Bugpowder: I don't really have a great idea of where its going, but the past bubble pattern has me worried
error4733: how can u compar 2 different event ?
Bugpowder: they were both bubbles
error4733: same crash but totally different context
Bugpowder: yes but similar patterns happen all the time
Bugpowder: the ripple following a sharp move
Bugpowder: for example
Bugpowder: happens every time
Bugpowder: I don't know where it is going
Bugpowder: My feeling is that the EV on the 3 month timescale, if you were long BTC at this price, is negative
Bugpowder: on the 3 year timescale, positive
b0n1: where can i short btcs?
Bugpowder: I have bids starting at 52 and going down to 13.
Bugpowder: borrow some btc from bakewelll
error4733: bakewell haha, any news ? didn't follow
error4733: he'll be happy to read you
thestringpuller: Bugpowder: the times change though. 100 could be the actual price
Bugpowder: sure
thestringpuller: anything below could be cheap coins
Bugpowder: could be
thestringpuller: If someone competent arrives to the game the price will rise again
error4733: that my mojo : any coin under 100 its cheap !
Bugpowder: I think it will get cheaper though
Bugpowder: you want to buy the bottom
Bugpowder: not halfway down
thestringpuller: Yea but what if that never occurs because someone arrives to the game.
thestringpuller: Sets up shop like a mobster.
Bugpowder: then you miss out
thestringpuller: If I were a hedgefund manager and saw all this news I would rush to btc world due to lack of regulation.
Bugpowder: hence I'm keeping 30% in btc
Bugpowder: Making money was easy on the way up the bubble
Bugpowder: now its going to get tougher for a while
b0n1: isnt bakewell scam?
error4733: time will say ;) we just need a good news, that it
error4733: short 600btc @35$ is a scam ? :D
Bugpowder: yes bake well scammed
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4480 @ 0.00071817 = 3.2174 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8974 @ 0.00072046 = 6.4654 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1596 @ 0.0007217 = 1.1518 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: Bugpowder: why do you think MPOE stock is skyrocketing today?
Bugpowder: mp turned the S.MPOE buying bot back on ;-)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 549 @ 0.00071437 = 0.3922 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: hehe
Bugpowder: is it skyrocketing?
thestringpuller: !ticker m S.MPOE
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00068596 / 0.00070525 / 0.000735 (444127 shares, 313.22 BTC), 7D: 0.00063322 / 0.00069453 / 0.000735 (2621860 shares, 1,820.98 BTC), 30D: 0.00059218 / 0.00068957 / 0.00077505 (10865175 shares, 7,492.41 BTC)
thestringpuller: Bugpowder: it crashed after March no?
Bugpowder: .006
Bugpowder: .0006
thestringpuller: yea that was pretty low
thestringpuller: do you think bondholders are going to keep their money this time lol?
Bugpowder: usually a good idea to buy at .0006
kakobrekla: Bugpowder, speaking of bubble, imho this one was 4times smaller
thestringpuller: than 2011?
kakobrekla: yes
Bugpowder: how so?
thestringpuller: 2011 was 30 -> 5
Bugpowder: what is the baseline
kakobrekla: http://smpake.com/etc/btc/
thestringpuller: so its about 6 times lostt in value
Bugpowder: 2011 was 33->2
Bugpowder: 93% loss
Bugpowder: ;;calc 266/33*2
gribble: 16.1212121212
kakobrekla: and that chart uses weighted daily price
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.85 = 1.7 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: What's the deal with ASICMINER did they announce new divs?
thestringpuller: I feel so behind in asset world
kakobrekla: at the current diff the bottom would be 50 (0.2 mhash per 100 around)
ThickAsThieves: they previewed their new usb miner
thestringpuller: could you rephrase kakobrekla ?
kakobrekla: hm?
kakobrekla: whats not clear?
thestringpuller: are you saying miners need 50usd / coin?
Bugpowder: well I would say, 16.1212 is the bottom
thestringpuller: to operate?
Bugpowder: which is basically the price when the bubble started to inflate
kakobrekla: im saying so far in these years
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.85 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: 0.2 was the bottom support
kakobrekla: which i expect to slowly getting lower since asic
kakobrekla: but that means half a year or so
kakobrekla: even with the block reward halving
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.85 = 1.7 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: bottom was 0.2 and it picked up from there rather quickly
kakobrekla: look we are all speculating here
kakobrekla: mostly
kakobrekla: but imho this should be concireder
kakobrekla: d
unbalanced_: Bug, re your ideas for the fiat portfolio yesterday, have you considered sticking to options on other asset classes rather than EFTs / funds / stocks? E.g. 80-90% treasuries 10%-20% at risk in 10-40 small longshot speculations per year?
Bugpowder: So if diff doubles...
unbalanced_: Taleb's barbell risk strategy
Bugpowder: it's an interesting idea
Bugpowder: but I'm pretty vanilla in my investments outside of bitcoin
Bugpowder: also treasuries are pretty dangerous right now
unbalanced_: It has the advantage of avoiding the fact that in a bear market / crisis, all asset classes are suddenly highly correlated in a rush to liquidity.
unbalanced_: Yes I wouldn't touch 'em but here in Canada I use vanilla "high interest" savings accounts or money market funds for that portion.
Bugpowder: the danger is interest rate risk
Bugpowder: if you are doing 2 year T Bills or shorter term, very little risk
Bugpowder: but also, very little interest rate
unbalanced_: If you mean your return on 80% of your portfolio may not keep up with inflation, my position on that is: who cares? The longshot options in the other 10-20%, the at risk portion of the portfolio, are what will provide portfolio return.
Bugpowder: I should probably read that book
Bugpowder: what are the long shots though?
unbalanced_: Max downdraft in any one year, no matter what happens, is the amount in your Risk On slice, if every one of the 40 positions you take turns out to lose 100%.
unbalanced_: Out of the money options. Black Swans.
unbalanced_: E.g. Apple in January, Amazon shortly after, that MLM company Ackman and Icahn are fighting over
unbalanced_: I'm not a big believer in Modern Portfolio Theory after 2008.
unbalanced_: I was in this strategy then and the portfolio was horizontal when all the world was crashing around us.
Diablo-D3: nothing trumps common sense
Diablo-D3: never invest in things you dont understand
Bugpowder: Here is my target allocations
Bugpowder: http://imgur.com/ZBAoEdq
Bugpowder: I don't try picking any stocks
unbalanced_: Herbalife, that's the one I was thinking of: http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=HLF ... incredible volatility as the giants duked it out and tried to screw each other over.
unbalanced_: Right, but with options you take synthetic positions, e.g. straddles and strangles. You're already doing it here.
Bugpowder: I did a fair amount of options trading in 0708
unbalanced_: Pick a company that could have drama in the next 90 days: earnings at risk, ridiculously overvalued or undervalued.
Bugpowder: was exciting
Bugpowder: yeah but after earnings the volatility premium suddenly drops
Bugpowder: makes it tough
Bugpowder: I had huge account swings with options trading
Bugpowder: finally blew the account up
unbalanced_: Yes you have to assume you will lose 100% on a trade if you are wrong and restrict your bet size accordingly.
Bugpowder: So I quit
Bugpowder: and now I just do vanilla
Bugpowder: and I'm averaging a 7.5% return
Bugpowder: over the last 5 years
Bugpowder: not spectaular but not bad.
unbalanced_: Change that chart to CROX weekly and check out 2011: it was priced on earnings expectations that would have meant that every shoe sold in the US would be a Croc for the next N years. Bubble, had to pop.
unbalanced_: Buy a few puts with a long enough time horizon to be right, and then wait.
Bugpowder: getting the timing is very tough
unbalanced_: Agreed... I've been early and I've been late.
thestringpuller: Bugpowder: never try to time the market
unbalanced_: Taleb says it's like a thousand little paper cuts. A bunch of little ouches but you never "blow up" and lose too much.
Bugpowder: I think its a very reasonable strat
Bugpowder: more timeconsuming though
Bugpowder: I just fire and forget, trying to keep my target distributions correct without selling
unbalanced_: I tend to put on one new trade a month when a situation comes to light. Some have a 1-year time horizon, some are 1-mo.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4450 @ 0.00070057 = 3.1175 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7400 @ 0.00069248 = 5.1244 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: and update the targets every 3-5 years
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1650 @ 0.00068596 = 1.1318 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 2 @ 0.41 = 0.82 BTC [+]
unbalanced_: With Herbalife I missed it by a day. Formulated a strategy one night, was eating breakfast the next AM and the situation happened pre-market.
unbalanced_: I almost spit out my Cheerios.
unbalanced_: I did a write up, I'll have to get a blog up and post it.
unbalanced_: I better get back to programming. Got to make a living or I'll have nothing to trade with!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 250 @ 0.00328066 = 0.8202 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: COOL!
Bugpowder: mtgox counted all my trades during the 0 fee time towards my 30day volume
taub: this lack of volatility is boring
error4733: its a shame i'll send a ticket to support now
taub: are you at the max now bug?
Bugpowder: 0.4% :)
taub: 2k for me
taub: 0.34
Bugpowder: I should have made some more trades!
taub: 0.43
Bugpowder: I could have made 0.3
taub: wish they would allow like special deals for 0%...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2926 @ 0.00328066 = 9.5992 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: nice
Bugpowder: bitcoinity added historical spread
Bugpowder: on the plot
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.44 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11400 @ 0.00070089 = 7.9901 BTC [+]
deadweasel: nice!
deadweasel: i'm not sure how to read the green and red on the top graph
deadweasel: hell, or even the bottom. :/
error4733: green was the buying price red the selling price yellow ligne is average bottom is wall with all btc asked (green) or open for sale ((rede)
BitHub: so the aim of this game is buy low and sell high to the next lot of buyers and give yourself a golden parachute all the way down to 50?
deadweasel: error, awesome, thank you!
deadweasel: BitHub: sounds like a good game.
BitHub: yep
error4733: Do you miss the top ? ;)
BitHub: ?
BitHub: i'm pushing for single digi's
deadweasel: http://bitcoin.speedstats.org/ this might be helpful when you have to move btc quickly...
BitHub: i stopped buying when it went over 100 beause it was just a scam
error4733: i burn a candle every night on my satoshi's temple for this too
deadweasel: ya, i stopped at 62
BitHub: liking this 100 tho
deadweasel: i expect it to drop over the next couple of weeks... but it's possible half of that incoming capital was stopped by the goxfail. maybe they buy in next few weeks?
BitHub: what assets are you feeling?
BitHub: i only like asicminer
error4733: i'm not sur about the new 150000 account open in mtgox since 2013, if they bought 1btc each :troll:
deadweasel: they couldn't verify that many in 3 months if their lives depended on it.
damientrog: I don't understand the Asicminer hype, sure the dividends are high, but it will devaluate very quickly
BitHub: trying to scout some ipo's but jeeez seems like every asset popping up lately is just scammy
deadweasel: yeah, it's overpriced.
deadweasel: stick with the winners, sdice rallied a bit... where is it now?
deadweasel: not that sdice is a winner... lol.
ThickAsThieves: sdice is still up
ThickAsThieves: going up more too
BitHub: heh yeah i was going to say
error4733: with ASCM you bought also next gen of asci
damientrog: I thought you only bought shares into that 1 machine
BitHub: have you noticed alot of miners trying to offload their asic preorders lately?
error4733: do u see this cute usb dongle ?
damientrog: not in the company
BitHub: error4733 i want to order 100 :P
error4733: same
error4733: TAKE MY MONEY was my first react
ThickAsThieves: with AM you buy Friedcat, arguably the most motivated btc business manager for a public company
BitHub: and the only company that doesn't seem to be a complete scam
error4733: damien : no you bought a part of any hash ASCM put in network
BitHub: which is very refreshing
error4733: they work already on next gen
BitHub: error might wait on their bigboy instead of usd thingy's
ThickAsThieves: keep in mind that if the gloom and doom everyone is predicting happens
ThickAsThieves: stock values will skyrocket
deadweasel: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eE5WQLMwHHk <---- lame but hilarious remake of the annoyed goat/sheep/antelope thing.
BitHub: heh
damientrog: ah, must've misread that somewhere
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.8499 BTC [-]
BitHub: anyone selling any via friendcat?
BitHub: not a pt
error4733: double check, maybe it's me
damientrog: I'm double checking, but can't find that clause anymore
mircea_popescu: b0n1 probably should chat davout up.
BitHub: deadweasel someone needs to do some subs of that german kid raging at his computer
ThickAsThieves: ;;tslb
gribble: Time since last block: 13 minutes and 43 seconds
ThickAsThieves: ;;estimate
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 8961787.72453 based on data since last change | 8940745.26815 based on data for last three days
deadweasel: i haven't seen that one.
damientrog: I must be mistaken, seems like a good deal then
deadweasel: http://techcrunch.com/2013/04/09/coinsetter-lands-500k-from-secondmarket-founder-others-to-help-bring-leverage-shorting-to-bitcoin-trade/
deadweasel: coinsetter?
error4733: wait, i look for a link ;)
BitHub: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2QxLpS3aIM
BitHub: i was raging hard like that at one point
BitHub: i might put something together
BitHub: fire up teh old avid
BitHub: loling hard just thinking about it
mircea_popescu: deadweasel the hype machine. i
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.8214 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: 'm waiting foer the day when "the press" goes "everyone who listened to us got fucked for a slice of ~20 mn in the btc market"
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.8213 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: "because that's what we do : we cost you money"
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.8212 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 0.821 = 2.463 BTC [-]
deadweasel: hehe, it will come.
BitHub: mircea fox news said you jumped from a window when it hit 50
mircea_popescu: right.
mircea_popescu: because fox news knows.
BitHub: trying to cause a media panic
error4733: damientrog :long term: company will ensure profitable operation and moving forward to next gen ASICs. Each share is entitled for 1/400'000 of company lifetime profits.
mircea_popescu: this bets of bitcoin twitter account keeps following me like weekly on twitter.
mircea_popescu: fucking bs.
damientrog: thanks for clearing that up for me error4733
mircea_popescu: damientrog it's a gamble on the proposition "Everyone else will be more inept than them".
error4733: it was a good deal at 0.1btc/15$
mircea_popescu: sure, normally they'd fade. still, it's been 9 months and still no actual asics.
damientrog: besides Avalons
mircea_popescu: no. avalons don't count.
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 1 @ 0.00418 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: it's a limited volume private run.
damientrog: how so?
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 1 @ 0.00418 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: "asics" means, we will sell you ANY QTY as long as you pay within 60 days of ordering.
error4733: 0.8btc/250$ calcul is different but still god for what i can read
mircea_popescu: tjhat's what supply means.
mircea_popescu: if i want to buy memory chips I can buy 1mn, 100mn or 1 trn chips.
damientrog: I see your point
mircea_popescu: fact that some guy is making 300 units for his friends./whatever... hardly count in a market sense.
damientrog: then they're indeed the only one
damientrog: well I bought 6 Avalons
mircea_popescu: yea but still.
damientrog: anxiously awaiting them
error4733: ... fucking lucker :) bash #2 ?
damientrog: #3
mircea_popescu: heh.
error4733: sorry for your loss
mircea_popescu: you've not bought anything imo. maybe lottery tickets.
damientrog: I know
damientrog: it's not my only investment
mircea_popescu: a, yea. not impugning uyou, just sdayin'
damientrog: whole BTC is one big gamble
mircea_popescu: from a macro perspective exactly.
error4733: avalon show before they have the gift for every ticket #1
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 3 @ 0.01 = 0.03 BTC [+]
error4733: yes
error4733: that my point 2 week ago, asking myself if i want sold some btc
error4733: every btc is a lotery ticket
error4733: nobody know how much you can win with
damientrog: I've cashed out more than I invested + have more BTC than before, so it's all fun and games for me
damientrog: but I don't think many people are in that situation
error4733: 10%, the average for sup IQ
error4733: FML :/
deadweasel: if you do get it error4733 you could sell for btc when btc is at 30 (probably when it arrives at your door).
mircea_popescu: @ericschmidt For every person online, there are two who are not. By the end of the decade, everyone on Earth will be connected. #NewDigitalAge
error4733: Neither AValon nor BFL, to late for me...
mircea_popescu: Mircea_Popescu @ericschmidt For every softie that thinks "every person counts" there's ten hardies that disagree. #NewWorldWar
mircea_popescu: curious what he says to that heh.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16605 @ 0.00068596 = 11.3904 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2651 @ 0.00068593 = 1.8184 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 200 @ 0.01 = 2 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: "made from pickled herring" ?
unkown247: hi
mircea_popescu: hello
unkown247: how are you ?
jurov: hi. lol, does not taste like herring
jurov: really yummy
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 61 @ 0.01 = 0.61 BTC [+]
unkown247: Can I ask in here ?
jurov: unkown247, it depends. just try to ask.
exfortuna: hey guys, I'm doing a regression analysis on bitcoin for an econ class, I'm wondering if anyone can point in the right direction for data
mircea_popescu: jurov http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-WO73Dh7rY
mircea_popescu: for the inside of that joke
unkown247: how to buy bitcoin
unkown247: ?
mircea_popescu: unkown247 this is the #bitcoin-assets chan. we're stock brokers etc here.
mircea_popescu: try #bitcoin-otc for that.
unkown247: ok
unkown247: do u mean that u buy and u sell bitcoin ?
mircea_popescu: exfortuna tried bitcoincharts ?
mircea_popescu: unkown247 no. bitcoin-denominated securities such as shares, options etc.
unkown247: ok I got it
unkown247: thanks
Bugpowder: http://bitcoincharts.com/about/markets-api/
jurov: sry, i never get any inside jokes related to unsubtitled comedy
jurov: and youtube "automatic subtitles" are a joke
exfortuna: negative, I'll google that now thanks
BitHub: heh stock brokers
jurov: ;;seen smickles
gribble: smickles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 3 days, 3 hours, 4 minutes, and 0 seconds ago: <smickles> a bitcoin atm could be the easiest way to send money to a friend, each of you just goes to an atm
BitHub: bit brokers?
jurov: seems the attrition rate is really high
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.849 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: jurov ok let's see if this exists
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.40789998 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.40789999 = 1.6316 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.41 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.40789999 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 0.8499 = 2.5497 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.85 = 1.7 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 1 @ 0.00419 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.41 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: jurov seems it doesn't exist. pity.
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 29 @ 0.00419 = 0.1215 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 10 @ 0.00449 = 0.0449 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 12 @ 0.004499 = 0.054 BTC [+]
jurov: *shrug* *smile*
BitHub: wish some new asset exchanges would pop up
BitHub: what's havelock like?
mircea_popescu: lol over 100k google translate requests for trilema this month.
mircea_popescu: i hope the readers are enjoying gt's humour
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 6 @ 0.0045 = 0.027 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu how have you been?
mircea_popescu: not bad.
deadweasel: what's your expectation in the coming months? slow leak to $30 mimicking 2011 post bubble plateau? or do we go up again immediately?
mircea_popescu: http://polimedia.us/dtng/c/src/128227433695.jpg wouldn't it kick ass if that was Bitcoin branded ?
mircea_popescu: deadweasel 100 to 130.
deadweasel: those are great tits.
deadweasel: but i bet she gives terrible head
deadweasel: you think we've stopped here for the moment then?
mircea_popescu: kinda.
deadweasel: never can tell. i hope it calms the fuck down for a while.
taub: mc you are mpoe-pr right?
taub: mp*
taub: why do you pretend to be a girl
jurov: lol seems the btctalk trolling has deep roots
deadweasel: insulating himself probably. i would. plus tits go a long way in the forum.
jurov: why it is so unbelievable for mp to have female assistant?
deadweasel: haha
mircea_popescu: taub nope.
deadweasel: http://polimedia.us/dtng/c/src/128227433695.jpg , that's her, he's about to brand her lip plate with a CC.
mircea_popescu: jurov possibly because nobody on the interwebs knows any girls ?
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu question about bitbet, would you guys allow for franchising?
thestringpuller: like github
FabianB_: ;;next
gribble: awaiting breakout: http://bit.ly/Ynx3uT | targets: 106, 113, 124, 130 on the upside | support: 100, 98, 92, 87-88 | resistance: 102.5, 105, 110 | lowball buy target: 74-75 | strong rally sell target: 138-148 | updated by OneFixt ( tips: http://bit.ly/YnxUM4 ) | trade at your own risk, this is not investment or trading advice | 19 hours, 20 minutes, and 9 seconds
taub: why dont you post yoruself on btctalk?
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller specifically ?
mircea_popescu: taub i don't have the time/patience/interest.
taub: FabianB_: lol who's giving that analysis
jurov: taub, i'd avoid dealing with btctalk personally too, if i could
taub: all those lines, seem a bit overkill
FabianB_: taub: OneFixt
OneFixt: taub: hah yes they are, sorry, had some old lines on there; watching the yellow trinagle
OneFixt: triangle
taub: i tried a little long from 100 to 104 and 107, but price wouldnt take off so i exited b/e
taub: no point in trying to trade when price doesnt move
OneFixt: same, exited in the 100s, bought in under 100, then we consolidated
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 25 @ 0.2 = 5 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: I want to run a bookie service for my town, local bets and shit.
thestringpuller: I could make a bitbet bet but then it really has no point
jurov: bribe kakobrekla to make you branded copy of bitbet
thestringpuller: 1 bn bitcoins enough for you :P
jurov: srsly, you're making me an offer?
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller i still don't ghet it.
jurov: =)
mircea_popescu: so you put your own bets, promote them among friends or w/e
mircea_popescu: how's this different from everyone else using bitbet ?
mircea_popescu: what's not to allow ?
thestringpuller: Uh you have to approve the bets, and you'll be like "wtf is this bet about who can chug hot sauce and not die"
mircea_popescu: zeroconf it.
thestringpuller: zeroconf?
mircea_popescu: send a bet along with your bet.
thestringpuller: I didn't expect you to be so reasonable :P
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: but seriously, you get a little "send a bet" option as you make a new proposition.
mircea_popescu: if you send nothing mods are meh, random shit.
mircea_popescu: if you send sometyhing you're more likely to get "a, somebody wants this, ok".
thestringpuller: sounds reasonable, i didn't know if you were opposed to people setting up rackets using bitbet
mircea_popescu: bets with nothing on have to be judged as cool enough. bets with a decent something on just have not to suck, different standard.
mircea_popescu: well thestringpuller, more generally, everything i do is to help people start their own rackets.
mircea_popescu: sometimes even against their will.
thestringpuller: ...
mircea_popescu: also, shoes : http://polimedia.us/dtng/c/src/131722396096.jpg
thestringpuller: ;;seen smickles
gribble: smickles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 3 days, 4 hours, and 29 seconds ago: <smickles> a bitcoin atm could be the easiest way to send money to a friend, each of you just goes to an atm
dub: ;;whatis next
gribble: Error: No factoid matches that key.
jurov: thestringpuller, i remember that comics where a dog sitting before door is drawn "intently staring at the door makes the master manifest"
thestringpuller: So Fry's dog from Futurama? Not so much. smickles is too busy playing kerbal space program and submitting taxes for probably 4mn people in btc due to tax day being tomorrow
error4733: ;eightball will this week be epic ?
error4733: ;;eightball will this week be epic ?
gribble: Obviously.
thestringpuller: ;;eightball will smickles be back after tax day?
gribble: It shall be.
thestringpuller: I'm holding you to that eight ball :P
Scrat: ;;eightball tank please
gribble: Maybe...
BitHub: how much of a shoot up we looking at?
BitHub: 108?
BitHub: cmon touch on 95, get away from it genbtc
deadweasel: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 94.99000, Best ask: 95.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 95.00000, 24 hour volume: 164410.66775422, 24 hour low: 85.50000, 24 hour high: 109.99800, 24 hour vwap: 98.95551
taub: http://www.firstnationalib.com/contact
taub: those pics
taub: looks legit!
mircea_popescu: http://polimedia.us/dtng/c/thumb/133180234433s.jpg lol
taub: whos posting on that imageboard... D:
taub: is it just you?
mircea_popescu: i pretty much never do
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 94.47845, Best ask: 95.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.52155, Last trade: 95.00000, 24 hour volume: 167103.13362195, 24 hour low: 85.50000, 24 hour high: 109.99800, 24 hour vwap: 98.87456
thestringpuller: ;;bids 90
gribble: There are currently 4955.5944 bitcoins demanded at or over 90.0 USD, worth 450788.933529 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0037 seconds
thestringpuller: ;;asks 100
gribble: There are currently 1289.1968 bitcoins offered at or under 100.0 USD, worth 126526.009402 USD in total. | Data vintage: 7.3216 seconds
Scrat: ;;ticker --last
gribble: 92.02000
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 95.40000, Best ask: 95.99999, Bid-ask spread: 0.59999, Last trade: 96.00000, 24 hour volume: 169521.80213052, 24 hour low: 85.50000, 24 hour high: 109.99800, 24 hour vwap: 98.79745
wao: ;;goxlag
gribble: MtGox lag is 1.046827 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.00209782958714 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin across the outer diameter of Saturn's rings (0.0024 AU).
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 92.90001, Best ask: 92.95570, Bid-ask spread: 0.05569, Last trade: 92.95570, 24 hour volume: 169543.27943456, 24 hour low: 85.50000, 24 hour high: 109.99800, 24 hour vwap: 98.78371
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 93.00000, Best ask: 93.35000, Bid-ask spread: 0.35000, Last trade: 93.35000, 24 hour volume: 170955.66962554, 24 hour low: 85.50000, 24 hour high: 109.99800, 24 hour vwap: 98.73499
ThickAsThieves: nice little rollercoaster ride
c1n0: yep
c1n0: riding it
error4733: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 97.90001, Best ask: 97.95739, Bid-ask spread: 0.05738, Last trade: 97.95740, 24 hour volume: 171620.58709880, 24 hour low: 85.50000, 24 hour high: 109.99800, 24 hour vwap: 98.77419
thestringpuller: so much money to be made off this volatility
c1n0: hehe bitpay now doing a ama
error4733: !asks 149
error4733: ;;asks 149
gribble: There are currently 53669.837 bitcoins offered at or under 149.0 USD, worth 6531716.9332 USD in total. | Data vintage: 60.9799 seconds
error4733: ;;bids 51
gribble: There are currently 89062.744 bitcoins demanded at or over 51.0 USD, worth 6129957.00662 USD in total. | Data vintage: 72.8990 seconds
error4733: ;;bids 0
gribble: There are currently 43661871 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 13751617.8104 USD in total. | Data vintage: 98.0780 seconds
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 96.60512, Best ask: 96.90000, Bid-ask spread: 0.29488, Last trade: 96.90000, 24 hour volume: 171682.79420653, 24 hour low: 85.50000, 24 hour high: 109.99800, 24 hour vwap: 98.77633
kakobrekla: cmooon worthless!
mircea_popescu: lol
orkaa: spoiled brat
ThickAsThieves: this volatility is a lil too risky for me, not riding this rollercoaster just yet
c1n0: deploy golden parachute
c1n0: with some fatties in hand
c1n0: ;;next
gribble: expecting 105 if we break 99 | targets: 105, 113, 124, 130 on the upside | support: 94, 92, 87-88 | resistance: 102.5, 105, 110 | lowball buy target: 74-75 | strong rally sell target: 138-148 | updated by OneFixt at Apr 14 2013, 20:46 UTC ( tips: http://bit.ly/YnxUM4 ) | disclaimer: http://bit.ly/129bYJ6 | this is not investment or trading advice | 2 minutes and 27 seconds ago
ThickAsThieves: have you ever traded bitcoin... ON WEED?!
c1n0: i usually consult oracles and ask them to gather every different type of drug out there and make a cocktail and inject it into my eyeballs just before i make a trade so i can read the market better
thestringpuller: ;;bc,24hprc
gribble: 98.76
thestringpuller: c1n0: ahhahahahaha
thestringpuller: that made me laugh irl
thestringpuller: thank you
thestringpuller: I needed that
c1n0: :)
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.825 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.821 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 35 @ 0.0036 = 0.126 BTC [-]