MJR_: it is the hot ticket item of the day
guruvan: successful startups do have a plan - it's the VCs who often don't
MJR_: i personally think that if you aren't in the irc channel, learning, and actually care about bitcoin, it will show
MJR_: SUCCESSFUL startups
MJR_: but still got funded
MJR_: and had a decent "burn rate"
MJR_: like...I work 16 hours a day
MJR_: i use my salary to fund my life
MJR_: and i expect to reap the rewards from my equity
MJR_: but that is my mentality, i'm not used to people giving you money to make your dreams come true
benkay: cannot get rich and have a life?
MJR_: well...you can, i am not saying that it doesn't work out well in some cases
guruvan: I have to earn money from my business......no two ways about it - no burn rate possible here
MJR_: i'm just saying, i'm doing what i love because i love it
MJR_: i do what i have to in order to make money
MJR_: soon they will both be the same thing
MJR_: but till then, work harder
guruvan: lol - I live in a tiny little town ....there's no jobs....gotta make your own.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 118.95000, Best ask: 124.90000, Bid-ask spread: 5.95000, Last trade: 124.90000, 24 hour volume: 175853.75589845, 24 hour low: 110.20003, 24 hour high: 203.00000, 24 hour vwap: 159.51856
guruvan: hell yea....I haven't done anything else for a year
guruvan: (I haven't been all that flush for a lot of it, but I only started with $1500)
jcpham: masters of subversion, now out of the crypto-closet
guruvan: lool.....masters of getting ripped off
jborkl_: well, i sent a small amount to Gox, 9 confirms - no show in my account
jborkl_: so, 5-6 hours - I am not thinking is going to work out well for them
guruvan: well....opening up the floodgates for pent-up demand is reeeealy hard on big systems like they have
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.3375 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.3399999 BTC [+]
jborkl_: yes, I dont think 5-6 hours it is going to happen
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.34 = 0.68 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.34 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: whats the 25k bitfloor story? i have some cash there...
benkay: said scumbag maintains a presence in irc
pigeons: ThickAsThieves: bitfloor got hacked, said sorry, your moneys gone, come trade with us anyway
pigeons: "got hacked" in the bitcoin sense, where who knows if its true mybitcoin
pigeons: btce got hacked and lost money but they ate it
pigeons: the alternatives are only better the rare occasions thye have enough depth
guruvan: Bugpowder: I've been using btc-e - I wish to god they had 2FA, but man....they have some DDOS protection.
guruvan: tough if you need easy usd in or out, but you're trading for btc you can do well with trade fees only .2%
pgp: you know, it's like MPEX exchange membership is on sale....
Bugpowder: I won't use anywhere without 2FA. I have too much on gox right now
guruvan: yeah - I feel that...I usually keep my btc-e acct cleaned out.....I don't hold anything there
jborkl_: micrea_popescu , deposit flushed
guruvan: I'd really prefer gpg everywhere instead of authenticator or yubikeys
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2000 @ 0.00333332 = 6.6666 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00333333 = 3.3333 BTC [+]
taub: nNotice how btc-e has been running on 50% gox volume the last couple hours without having "success"?
Bugpowder: To make myself feel better.... I present my trades of yesterday
taub: must not get jealous
taub: how did you feel out the first buy?
taub: just the stagnation?
taub: prolly also depth showing orders
Bugpowder: goxlag was dropping fast and we had a little bounce of 105
Bugpowder: tough part is getting the orders in 10-15 minutes before they need to go off.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.345 BTC [+]
Namworld: bugpowder... how do you trade call/puts and Gox so well?
Namworld: I'm doing well on that too... at least I'm on the green overall. But I'm not that accurate =P
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.3799999 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.38 = 0.76 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 30 @ 0.3871 = 11.613 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 10 @ 0.38999 = 3.8999 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 5 @ 0.39 = 1.95 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.39798 = 0.796 BTC [+]
Namworld: I sold VTX at 0.20 ... in the low
Namworld: But then sold the BTC for USD at 250 =P
Bugpowder: either that or I have been burned enough to learn common patterns, and have cashed out enough so that I'm comfortable making big bets without pissing myself
Bugpowder: The sharp move followed by osciallation is classic though
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3866 @ 0.00071642 = 2.7697 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10834 @ 0.00071795 = 7.7783 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: Also I bougt on gox today at 121, right beofre they shut down... Doh!
Bugpowder: We may be moving into a new market pattern now though, so the strategies I exploited for the last 3 months may no longer work
TomServo: Bugpowder: how much was the 'bunch of cash' you had on gox before those trades?
Bugpowder: of combined BTC and cashed out value
Bugpowder: Not going to state specific position sizes anymore
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 1 @ 0.00184 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 1 @ 0.00184 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 15 @ 0.00185 = 0.0278 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8500 @ 0.00070934 = 6.0294 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 15 @ 0.001889 = 0.0283 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 36 @ 0.00189 = 0.068 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.39798 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: it's very tempting to shoot off about specific $ figures, but also stupid to.. Also, whether you are trading $1,000,000 or $100, your emotions are probably more coupled to what % of your net worth is on the line, rather than a specific dollar value
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 29 @ 0.00195 = 0.0566 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: The question now is, what is the right play when gox opens?
Bugpowder: would love to hear what people think
ThickAsThieves: i'm having trouble seeing the price drop lower than on outside exchanges
jborkl_: bugpowder- since only people with $ on Gox can buy - and so many bitcoins to sell -Unless Gox bust trades or limits somehow
mircea_popescu: that's why you don't want idiots like mtgox involved in situations like these.
Bugpowder: We could be in for the mother of all spike ripples
gribble: There are currently 94194264 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 5227579.67567 USD in total. | Data vintage: 12.8424 seconds
gribble: There are currently 33641.267 bitcoins demanded at or over 50.0 USD, worth 2504465.676 USD in total. | Data vintage: 16.6801 seconds
jborkl_: Yeah, the only way I see it ending up ok is if Gox has lined up buyers ahead of time
Bugpowder: Be aware that people will over react to every move
ThickAsThieves: due to the fact there is so much uncertainty, i think a likely scenario is a repate of last nights oscilations
ThickAsThieves: if it opens, and lag isnt fixed, price will surely crash
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 5 @ 0.00305 = 0.0153 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 15 @ 0.0031 = 0.0465 BTC [+]
jborkl_: Good bet for bitbet- mt gox trading engines strokes out in 10 minutes or less
Bugpowder: better to go for a big spread on your bid/ask, and not get filled, then to go for a narrow spread and get stuck in a losing position having scalped 10%
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 9 @ 0.00069 = 0.0062 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: tons of cash off the books right now
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8950 @ 0.0006975 = 6.2426 BTC [-]
jborkl_: the ? is how much of that cash has been requested for withdrawal
ThickAsThieves: only btc there, will be from people that fear/dislike/cant deal in fiat on other exchanges
Bugpowder: If you are apostilled you proably have 500k on the exchange
mircea_popescu: it's just funny, where they put the apostille, on your cock ?
taub: time for powernap until mtgox opens
taub: think we might actually see a little recovery in the meantime, 99-120
Bugpowder: I think greed will defeat fear in the end
ThickAsThieves: i think people will need to use outside exchanges as reference
jborkl_: but they will not, Gox is full of noobs that will be hitting sell and f5
jborkl_: there were 15000 accounts waiting in the Q
Bugpowder: Just for the love of god... don't place a market order.
jborkl_: I have some money on there and know what price I am putting my limit at- I hope it gets filled
Bugpowder: I hope the vwap never goes below 122.
mircea_popescu: Winklevii — as they are popularly known — say they own nearly 1 percent of that, or some $11 million.
dub: inb4 facebook launches bitcoin payments
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 28 @ 0.39798 = 11.1434 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: @maxkeiser 5h Could a Patent Lawsuit Take Down the Bitcoin Exchanges Like MtGox???
mircea_popescu: yeah totally. we need more huffpo intelligent bitcoin discussion
mircea_popescu: hopefully the hos are doing it nude while balancing sandwich plates.
mod6: mircea_popescu: lol
jborkl_: Service is down for emergency maintenance for one hour, until 2013-04-11 23:30:00 UTC. Please retry at that time
Bugpowder: maybe now they are really doing the change over
Bugpowder: yeah they could be saying it like we have been so successful, its an emergency
joecool: gox crashes, MT eats pizza and sweats
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 5 @ 0.39798 = 1.9899 BTC [+]
joecool: *magic the gathering online exchange
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.39799 = 0.796 BTC [+]
joecool: Apr 11 09:23:40 <MagicalTux> Ad0: sweating right now
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.731 = 1.462 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.730211 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.73021 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.7302 = 1.4604 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 20 @ 0.73019 = 14.6038 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 0.73 = 2.19 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 0.72 = 2.16 BTC [-]
mod6: i saw that earlier... then "moni3z" says: You will get your LTC don't worry
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 4 @ 1.6 = 6.4 BTC [-]
joecool: did that btcex guy just disappear?
joecool: mircea_popescu: the guy who used to run btcex a couple years ago
mircea_popescu: i weirdly have no recollection of this at all. who the f ?
joecool: he was funny, put a bounty up to hack mtgox, did a lot of other insane stuff, trolled bitcointalk ~2011
joecool: but yeah used to run an exchange that went under around then
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 1 @ 0.16169 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 5 @ 0.39798 = 1.9899 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 75 @ 0.0034 = 0.255 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.3985 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 9 @ 0.3989 = 3.5901 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: Jesus Christ. Denninger is trolling my FB page.
mod6: sometimes referred to as a founding member of the Tea Party movement. << the guy is probably a cockmeat sandwich
mircea_popescu: with the bitcoin is not a good currency because can't be made into a responsible dildo ?
Guest8717: Tell him that vacuums are actually a multi-billion dollar industry
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 10 @ 0.1617 = 1.617 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 10 @ 0.1399 = 1.399 BTC [+]
mod6: Bugpowder: what a douchebag
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 2 @ 0.1617 = 0.3234 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 3 @ 0.1399 = 0.4197 BTC [+]
guruvan: this is the only refuge of sanity on irc.......everyone else is freaking out about USD loses......
guruvan: any idea how long its safe to reuse a gox deposit address? I want to send funds there, but can't log in.
guruvan: one in my wallet aren't that recently made
Insaneatyou: Gox is down, I wouldn't be touching them until they're back up
mod6: personally i would wait until they can generate you a new one. who knows if they've changed wallets or whatever.
guruvan: yeah - that's what Im thinking
mod6: yeah, aside from not using gox at all lol
guruvan: ya - this is a special occasion though - I just want to take advantage of the mayhem
Namworld: darn it... I sent 100 BTC to MtGox
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.71 BTC [-]
Namworld: 1FEUCcszrBBMMMm1UwNK8mwFQF29mE39bM
guruvan: I rarely have anything in there (thus no recent deposit addy)
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.701 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3950 @ 0.0006975 = 2.7551 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6887 @ 0.00069712 = 4.8011 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2563 @ 0.00069557 = 1.7827 BTC [-]
Namworld: Leave me to my delirium. I'm having fun.
Bugpowder: Time to get some sushi and sake to prepare for the mayhem
Bugpowder: if gox delays opening though... I will be PISSED
Bugpowder: Had some discussions with the owner yesterday
Namworld: ok well... I'm going to go eat something before gox reopens...
Namworld: Better have a full stomach and be rested so I can stick around
mod6: Bugpowder: holy shit you were going to buy that thing?!??
Bugpowder: having someone head up to Ft Bragg to scope it this weekend
Bugpowder: Not feeling bitrich anymore though
Bugpowder: discussions were after a Stone IPA pint.
mod6: people arn't ready for bitcoins yet
guruvan: hahah - those stones are strong
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5937 @ 0.00069557 = 4.1296 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6963 @ 0.00069538 = 4.8419 BTC [-]
mod6: haha, the thing lights up!
mod6: oh yeah sorry someone is talking in my ear
error4733: ;;eightball will mtGox crash at 2am
gribble: You know the answer better than I.
error4733: ;;eightball yes but please, answer the question
gribble: What are you asking me for?
error4733: ;;eightball should i sold all my btc
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 0.701 = 7.01 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 1.3 = 2.6 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.21 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 538 @ 0.00069538 = 0.3741 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 1.2 = 2.4 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 1.14 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.3659995 BTC [+]
mod6: well, it'll be interesting to see where this thing goes when mount cawks reopens
mod6: that'd be something
mod6: Bugpowder: you had some nice trades yesterday
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 90.69400, Best ask: 90.69404, Bid-ask spread: 0.00004, Last trade: 90.69404, 24 hour volume: 206604.44982419, 24 hour low: 65.00000, 24 hour high: 168.00000, 24 hour vwap: 104.07735
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4835 @ 0.00067922 = 3.284 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5501 @ 0.00067854 = 3.7326 BTC [-]
jurov: yea, just told my family to start getting in
MJR_: retards ^^^ how do they talk about "derivatives" without actually mentioning derivatives
mircea_popescu: they are probably waiting for me to send them gifts and pat them on the head.
mircea_popescu: which is nice because i never will. they can come to me on knees and get something or else keep on prattling.
MJR_: i get that they should have mentioned mpex...
MJR_: but my point is that they should have mentioned a derivative
MJR_: hedge fund !=derivative
MJR_: or leveraged trading
Scrat: are you ready for the lulz today
Scrat: the "50x faster engine"
MJR_: so...they basically say financial derivatives can stablize markets (US govt banned onion futures and they are now volatile) so given that info
MJR_: lets not talk about an actual derivative at all
mircea_popescu: in my experience it's kinda how this stuff goes. may be wrong.
gribble: MtGox lag is 2.570025 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.00515030132457 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from Jupiter to its largest moon, Ganymede (0.007155 AU).
Scrat: 2.57 seconds with roughly 30 trades in the last minute
mircea_popescu: anyway their lag problem should be resolved tghe other way
Scrat: error4733: very nice, which website is that
error4733: or maybe the address in the address bar ?
error4733: ;;eightball should i stay in my bed get laida
gribble: MtGox lag is 79.565712 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.159448795986 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin ten times between Jupiter and Callisto (0.12567 AU).
error4733: ;;eightball will my boss undesrtand i keep me tmrw
gribble: What are you asking me for?
error4733: ;;eightball will my boss undesrtand i keep me tmrw
gribble: You know the answer better than I.
error4733: ;;eightball will my boss know i fuck is daugter ?
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 79 @ 0.2 = 15.8 BTC [+]
error4733: resume for the last 6h ? no more drama ?
error4733: GOOD, pain in the ass to explain if btc was crash to 20$ ut this, 90$ is juste a correction from th last 3 crazy week ! hope next bubble i got some ball to short when a crash is obv
jurov: i just pretty much ignored whole bubble. not worth to mess with one's nerves like that.
jurov: might buy few next month calls soon, nothing else.
mircea_popescu: the good news is that based on 24 jhour data mtgox is down under 50% of volume
mircea_popescu: if this trend continues and in a week they're 20-30% this will all have been well worth it.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13666 @ 0.00067363 = 9.2058 BTC [-]
bitesak_: the pricing of options seem to have changed...
pizzaman1337: yeah, because the pricing of usd/btc has changed...
bitesak_: fair enough, so strikes ned to be extended way beyond 500 to have prices flatten out at ~0.059?
mircea_popescu: bitesak_ the bot's volatility sense has been utterly overloaded these past few days
mircea_popescu: i think some assumptions baked into it originally (2011, that is) melded security with actual pricing at the edge cases.
mircea_popescu: we could say it's seeing more of a "catastrophic event" than normal market conditions.
bitesak_: thanks. call options for Next month are the same price as This month as of strike 386
bitesak_: and thank you mircea_popescu for your reliable and great service you offer. it does stick out nowadays.
mircea_popescu: the fact is this recent price nonsense has been drowning out legitimate bitcoin interest and investment
mircea_popescu: they have gotten well stung tho, and stinging will continue until people understand that bitcoin is actually useful and actually valuable, not a get rich quick scheme of the week.
bitesak_: let's focus on the good and let it grow and appreciate
mircea_popescu: bitesak_ yes. still, it's hard to explain to people the investment virtues of bitcoin
bitesak_: as you said, say the truth no matter the context, just make sure tis the truth
gribble: MtGox lag is 112.75835 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.225966470895 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin between Earth and Venus at their closest approach (0.254 AU).
mircea_popescu: ZedsterX there's about fiddy billion people claiming they called it by now.
ZedsterX: watch the vid really read the article try not to be so high and mighty all the time mP
ZedsterX: the part about bitcoinbillionaire is the most interesting
bitesak_: "Wednesday’s wild ride came as someone gave away thousands of dollars worth of Bitcoins on Reddit, the social news site. News blog Business Insider calculated a Reddit user under the name “Bitcoinbillionaire” had given away $13,627.69896 worth of Bitcoins to Reddit users over the day."
Scrat: mircea_popescu: I think it's time for you to invest in CSS
ZedsterX: he say BTCbillionnaire was central banks
mircea_popescu: so somebody gave away 13k worth of btc on reddit and therefore crash. this is the public statement ?
Scrat: because UX matters
Scrat: by making it more readable? i mean unformatted tables, come on
mircea_popescu: Scrat you have lost your argument here. so, ux matters. here's the ux :
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: 0.110823869705 seconds
mircea_popescu: that's 1/10 what mtgox charges, for arguably much more service.
pizzaman1337: how about instant deposits? That would be nice
mircea_popescu: or in other words : ux is for USERS only. there's no suchj thing as vx, visitor experience.
mircea_popescu: remember the recent hard fork ? i wouldn't trust the current codebase.
pizzaman1337: isn't it easy to monitor for blockchain forks?
mircea_popescu: it is impossible to do, because these are emergent phenomena.
mircea_popescu: nobody really has a clue what bitcoin code does, and the devs are resisting tooth and nail any attermpt to specify it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 120 @ 0.00067687 = 0.0812 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 3 @ 0.00319 = 0.0096 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 4000 @ 0.00316043 = 12.6417 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00349999 = 3.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 700 @ 0.0035 = 2.45 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1500 @ 0.00373 = 5.595 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2800 @ 0.00373333 = 10.4533 BTC [+]
Cylta: How much did you lose\get, people?
Cylta: mircea_popescu: I just wanted to know, did you able to make it profitable for you, or not =)
Cylta: and did you able to predict it or not
gribble: A market order to buy 130000.0000 USD worth of bitcoins right now would buy 1618.5055 bitcoins and would take the last price up to 82.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 80.3210 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 27.2853 seconds
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 660 @ 0.00067687 = 0.4467 BTC [+]
gribble: There are currently 11619.268 bitcoins offered at or under 100.0 USD, worth 1054970.02346 USD in total. | Data vintage: 29.2044 seconds
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4953 @ 0.00067687 = 3.3525 BTC [+]
Cylta1: mircea_popescu: Okay, so you knew it. Very good, just checking you =)
Cylta1: Some people (actually, a lot) expected that "bitcoin is about to explode!11"
MJR_: ugh...when will people learn that stupid systems can't be saved by more hardware
mircea_popescu: MJR_ depends who's people. people with no competence won't develop it magically.
MJR_: it is just a retardly simple fix
MJR_: but for some reason, they would rather halt trading for 12 hours to set up new servers
MJR_: and still not fix the problem
gribble: MtGox lag is 1.38465 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.00277482309669 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from Jupiter to its third largest moon, Io (0.002819 AU).
MJR_: it hit 30 seconds like 2 minutes ago
MJR_: and its because i see all the bullshit orders coming in and out
MJR_: i am streaming their data
MJR_: and they just have a ton of orders for .05 btc
MJR_: i think it would be way less radical to just change min order size than to shut down for 12 hours
jurov: mjr_ did not plan for it and afraid to break it...
Cylta1: they should do a stable fee of 0.001 btc per order in addition to 0.6%..
jurov: i know this fear firsthand now
MJR_: yeah, you could just change fee schedule
MJR_: anyway, to treat an order for .05 btc the same as one for 100 btc is retarded
MJR_: its called toxic order flow
MJR_: and IRL they will disable your account
MJR_: if you spam orders like that
jurov: it's better to have built-in protection in system
jurov: than to fix afterwards with fees
MJR_: you could implement a system in a ton of different ways
MJR_: higher fees for lower size
MJR_: block lower size completely
MJR_: any one of those would prob reduce their stress by 90%
jurov: no. i just did it so that one user can't place two orders at once. has to wait for the first one to return from mpex
MJR_: instead of "everyone stop for 12 hours"
MJR_: i was talking about gox
troc: limit it to n orders per x ?
MJR_: that would work too
MJR_: any of those systems would be better than bringing up another server
MJR_: not that its bad to bring up more servers...but if you have a stupid unscalable system in place, it really doesn't matter how much more hardware you have
jurov: heck, even theymos can't be brought to spend to improve the forum
MJR_: unless you can grow your hardware exponentially i suppose
jurov: it's just they found themselves in dark place and feel too paralyzed about everything
mircea_popescu: jurov yea isn't that interesting ? only forum in the world that had 1mn usd at any point
jurov: no help there, i guess
MJR_: i'm also surprised that more people don't just use amazon cloud
MJR_: i really wonder what their office was like today
MJR_: i've really been curious about the ACTUAL volume they do # of transactions
MJR_: yeah i saw the pizza photo
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14237 @ 0.00069911 = 9.9532 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11696 @ 0.00069963 = 8.1829 BTC [+]
MJR_: they should look at 0MQ or something like that
MJR_: my friend and coworker just designed his optimized version of that, which outperforms it...i think he gets 350k messages per second...
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.7589 = 1.5178 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 0.759 = 3.036 BTC [+]
gesell: bifloor, please keep in mind that most of the community today is filled with speculators that dont give a fuck, and also there are plenty of entities that actually want bitcoin to fail. Get your security house in order!
gesell: there are still 0 whales on the bids book and plenty on the asks
pigeons: has anybody actually seen tiberiusiv and EskimoBob together at the same time?
gesell: i really wonder if the bid whales really chose to wait it out while holding so much btc at risk
gesell: why would they do that. maybe they have way more in fiat
pgp: morning all - what is consensus on gox's "new server" was lag any better overnight?
gesell: lag has been in the 0 to 8 second range for the past 20 min or so
gesell: but tehn again, probably not as much volume or
MJR_: pgp: did you test the data? i emailed you the link, wanna see if it'll work right out of the box on your machine
pgp: well, i get the feeling that volume will start to pick up as it continues to drift lower here...
pgp: crazy action last night, though...
MJR_: well, cnbc reported $65...it was at 80 at the time
pgp: wall at 76 is going to disappear fast imho
taub: in before another cooldown
pgp: get back into the bunker, boys...
taub: i feel so bad for everyone who bought 200+
taub: btce chat full with sob stories of people who are now broke
Cylta1: taub: it was their fault, not your
Cylta1: taub: they simple were too greedy.
taub: i know, i still feel bad for them :)
KRS1: greed fuels a purchase at $200+ for a financial instrument that rose so quickly
KRS1: its going down to $32? damn
pgp: tulips, baby, tulips...
taub: i got buy orders along the way
pgp: definately going below 50 today, i think...
MJR_: if you redraw the six month chart...and connect this point to the prior 6 months, it looks like a nice steady growth
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 25 @ 0.759 = 18.975 BTC [+]
taub: all those huge sell orders, thenn the cute 1btc buy inbetween lol
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 18 @ 0.759 = 13.662 BTC [+]
pgp: so, gox *seems* better, no?
taub: pop pop watching prices drop
taub: yea it lags consideribly less
taub: about 2k+ coins dumped on 70 just now
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7605 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7609 BTC [+]
pgp: i think that they've improved lag by an order of magnitude it seems to me... that was a lot of coin that just went off
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7609 BTC [+]
pgp: normally we'd be at 500 sec lag or more
gribble: MtGox lag is 35.184033 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.0705084081919 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin approximately the distance covered by Voyager 1 in one week (0.0689 AU).
KRS1: so $32 is not going to happen?
gesell: (13:54:29) MagicalTux: [20:53:00] <gesell> MagicalTux: have someone give a road plan for how the issues with dos via small orders is going to be dealt with in the long term <- new trade engine won't have any issue handling that
KRS1: damn when will we see the bottom
gesell: (13:55:28) gesell: MagicalTux: do you guys recalculate the fee bracket after every single trade? If so I would recommend tampering this somehow because thats added computation that could be leveraged in a direct dos (small orders)
gesell: (13:57:25) MagicalTux: gesell: we're already throtteling
KRS1: the graphs tell me steady, healthy increase like mjr said but not tulip
pgp: joking about the tulips...
pgp: good thing about drops like this if that it soes flush out the noobs and puts coins back into strong hands (i hope)
gesell: mjr_ this type of analysis doesnt apply here sadly because much of the crash is simply from technical glitches
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 67.00000, Best ask: 67.20000, Bid-ask spread: 0.20000, Last trade: 67.00000, 24 hour volume: 280761.33688409, 24 hour low: 65.00000, 24 hour high: 163.44100, 24 hour vwap: 94.84470
gribble: There are currently 46813366 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 9022428.38588 USD in total. | Data vintage: 77.6342 seconds
Diablo-D3: ChaangNoi: I predicted $50 before $500
Diablo-D3: I guess its coming out that Im right
ChaangNoi: if you made that call at $45 good job :)
pgp: I was talking to a VC the other night ($230) who was bragging about *almost* being a bitcoin millionaire - bought in around 85 - I'll bet he feels like a douche bag now
Diablo-D3: ChaangNoi: well Ive been saying it since we started heading up to $100 the first time
pigeons: wow everyone i talk to is always totaly right with their market predictions, everyone must be rich
KRS1: whats funny is- i'm way better off than I was when the price was this low last time lol
Diablo-D3: ChaangNoi: I think mp was agreeing with me at the time too
ChaangNoi: lol yeah calling $50 before $500 when at $20 is a pretty safe call
ChaangNoi: pigeons i thought we would get close to $500. i was wrong, but i still slowly sold a few percent ever $50 so im fine for a few years of living in fiat
pgp: alex12: looks like scam to me
ChaangNoi: still if anyone told you that at jan 1st we would be at $60 in april would you have belived them? :)
alex12: pgp: picks look interested ...
pigeons: i have more btc than i did 2 days ago, and thats what counts to me
alex12: is asicminet.pt mining yet?
ChaangNoi: i was selling my limited gold.silver to live
Diablo-D3: ChaangNoi: btw, no, I was saying we'd drop to $50 before we'd go to $500
ChaangNoi: i can now last foe 2 more years, sad to admit it, but i did sel btc
Diablo-D3: ChaangNoi: and I kept saying it the higher we went
pigeons: yeah i sell btc too when i need to buy something
ChaangNoi: but we are yet to hit 50, we might not make it, will be interesting next week
ChaangNoi: the thing is, buying at $60 is so much better than buying at $260, and i sold at $260...
pigeons: that's the way to do it :)
taub: dancing chicken with caption "I REGRET NOTHING"
pgp: he does some entaining stuff with the site
pgp: you ever see the big picture of his face smiling at you with the bitcoin address under it...
ChaangNoi: he has the address on the lower right
pgp: it's the best site of it's kind...
pgp: interesting that there really aren't any ask walls... it's just a ton of market sell orders
ChaangNoi: kinda wonder if it was pump and dump all along
pgp: and nice to see happen in plain old slow motion... instead of slow, slow, super slow motion...
ChaangNoi: someone just bought a massive amount at 65
pgp: conspiracy theory are already circulating...
pgp: mjr - what were you saying last night about this?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10150 @ 0.00069424 = 7.0465 BTC [-]
ChaangNoi: im honestly shocked people have this many coins to sell
gribble: There are currently 0 bitcoins offered at or under 50.0 USD, worth 0.0 USD in total. | Data vintage: 1.2933 seconds
gribble: There are currently 30010.715 bitcoins demanded at or over 50.0 USD, worth 1648930.43267 USD in total. | Data vintage: 5.7436 seconds
gribble: There are currently 22950.793 bitcoins demanded at or over 50.0001 USD, worth 1295934.3161 USD in total. | Data vintage: 27.9335 seconds
MJR_: i liked the insanity wolf image macro
pgp: mjr - what you were saying last night about orchestrated selling
ChaangNoi: my bitcoinity now shows a low of 60? wtf?
Scrat: massive dumps and goxlag
pgp: there goes the neighborhood
farfi: almost time to buy :)
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 57.12120, Best ask: 58.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.87880, Last trade: 57.12120, 24 hour volume: 313449.17648717, 24 hour low: 58.00000, 24 hour high: 158.27517, 24 hour vwap: 91.00931
pgp: i wonder what going on with the exante folks right now...
gribble: There are currently 46973788 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 7417988.25877 USD in total. | Data vintage: 72.1237 seconds
gesell: pgp: getting lots of free BJ's from max keiser
pgp: a lot of coin sold in last half hour
KRS1: no $30? lol anyone seen the order books
ChaangNoi: these guys can only sell so many coins, they cant naked short like they do with silver
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.P089T] 1 @ 1.50413736 BTC [+]
pgp: can't go *straight* down... but these feels like a dead cat bounce... the guys bying 80 an hour ago will take the opportunity to sell...
Scrat: we think we should not be angry at gox, but instead be thanking it
Scrat: for allowing natural selection to continue
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.P089T] 5 @ 1.78 = 8.9 BTC [+]
pgp: social darwinism at its best
pgp: problem with crashes is that at so many points along the way, it looks like a buy, but it's not...
deadweasel: lol yeah, poor bugpowder, bought all the way down... :(
gribble: Error: Problem retrieving gox lag. Try again later.
Scrat: new 50x machine is so fast it accidentally traded with the future causing a casuality violation
farfi: does thatmean the coins evaporate?
pgp: I think they turn in Magic: the gathering playing cards...
alex12: when is asicminer.pt going to kick in with thier asic's?
alex12: 10TH/d s ++ is what im reading - this true?
MJR_: lag is over 200 seconds now
gribble: Error: "goxloag" is not a valid command.
pgp: wow - gox is dead in the water - again...
gribble: Error: "goxlaglag" is not a valid command.
MJR_: sure it's not gribble
pgp: looks like we have to russian again for price discovery...
gribble: smickles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 0 days, 21 hours, 3 minutes, and 48 seconds ago: <smickles> a bitcoin atm could be the easiest way to send money to a friend, each of you just goes to an atm
gribble: Error: Problem retrieving gox lag. Try again later.
gribble: yes I am gribble. why do you keep bothering me?
Scrat: back to the trollbox everyone
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 67.00001, Best ask: 69.00000, Bid-ask spread: 1.99999, Last trade: 67.00001, 24 hour volume: 329726.38134032, 24 hour low: 54.25000, 24 hour high: 149.00000, 24 hour vwap: 88.67769
gribble: The bot responds when you start a line with the ! character. A good starting point for exploring the bot is the !facts command. You can also visit the bot's website for a list of help topics and documentation:
http://gribble.sourceforge.net/ assbot: !ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !t}
assbot: !last <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns last price value, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !l}
assbot: !mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)
assbot: !rules <nick/chan> (desc: chan guidelines) {short: !r}
assbot: !exchanges <nick/chan> (desc: lists exchanges and brokers) {short: !e}
ChaangNoi: Am is back up, to normal price nice
pgp: going up on light volume - just wait
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7252 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7251 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.725 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.721 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7201 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 0.72 = 2.16 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 0.71 = 2.13 BTC [-]
ChaangNoi: will be interesting to see it eat the wall at 80, was 5k
pgp: i agree that would be convincing...
pgp: still think more selling to come
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.70111 BTC [-]
damientrog: what no more put options available?! :)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.36599939 BTC [+]
gribble: There are currently 11347.452 bitcoins demanded at or over 60.0 USD, worth 692876.202568 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0033 seconds
gribble: There are currently 0 bitcoins offered at or under 60.0 USD, worth 0.0 USD in total. | Data vintage: 10.2119 seconds
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.36599939 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.397 = 0.794 BTC [+]
MJR_: bitfinex can be lame
MJR_: their book is so thin
MJR_: that when they all of a sudden announce "no gox routing"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 180 @ 0.00069963 = 0.1259 BTC [+]
MJR_: your position changes dramatically
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 9061123.52326 based on data since last change | 9251425.76873 based on data for last three days
MJR_: wonder whats going in miners world
MJR_: but the price is changing profitability numbers
MJR_: and exchanges fucking up is hurting their liquidity
gribble: There are currently 7586.0915 bitcoins offered at or under 80.0 USD, worth 574725.436367 USD in total. | Data vintage: 243.1423 seconds
lippoper1: tiberiusiv, where will the price stabilize?
pgp: bitfloor looks like it's down again...
lippoper1: Strap your seatbelts, we're going down again, sell off
taub: wow all exchanges down
KRS1: ;;gribble where will the price stabilize?
gribble: yes I am gribble. why do you keep bothering me?
KRS1: hasnt had his coffee yet?
taub: depends when he started buying
joecool: well at worst, he's probably fucked himself on 3 or 4 paychecks only
joecool: considering timeframes and where price is
joecool: my last major buy in was at $30 so i'm ok with prices being where they're at
joecool: i did sell a bit at $140 and again at $240, so at this point i could have it drop to 0 and not care
gribble: jurov was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 hours, 18 minutes, and 50 seconds ago: <jurov> no help there, i guess
lippoper1: if there are no bids, the price must rise or drop?
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 69.97336, Best ask: 70.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.02664, Last trade: 70.00000, 24 hour volume: 336060.23220623, 24 hour low: 54.25000, 24 hour high: 140.00000, 24 hour vwap: 85.28347
lippoper1: that's what I thought too, but I've seen weirder between yesterday and today
gribble: There are currently 16889.34 bitcoins offered at or under 100.0 USD, worth 1435165.93254 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0031 seconds
gribble: There are currently 34051.827 bitcoins demanded at or over 50.0 USD, worth 1939351.7359 USD in total. | Data vintage: 11.6362 seconds
gribble: MtGox lag is 60.589218 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.121420114481 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin ten times between Jupiter and Callisto (0.12567 AU).
lippoper1: gox is lagged, that means price will drop
lippoper1: it's gearing up for a drop right now
gribble: There are currently 0 bitcoins offered at or under 67.0 USD, worth 0.0 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0025 seconds
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.00069424 = 4.8597 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7549 BTC [+]
gribble: mod6 was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 10 hours, 27 minutes, and 15 seconds ago: <mod6>
http://youtu.be/wzQM-tLIz9M << music my gf humms to me when i tell her that gox has gone down
gribble: MtGox lag is 1.256375 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.00251776143292 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from Earth to Moon (0.00257 AU).
ThickAsThieves: now would be a great time for someone to click the Buy $1m button a few times
gribble: Error: "seeb" is not a valid command.
gribble: smickles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 0 days, 22 hours, 21 minutes, and 38 seconds ago: <smickles> a bitcoin atm could be the easiest way to send money to a friend, each of you just goes to an atm
gribble: [08:04:18] <thestringdude> :O
alex12: when all the ASIC's land from avalon, what would the expected difficulty be?
joecool: ask BCB, i told him to keep shining a crystal ball
Cylta: alex12: avalon hash power * amount of avalons + current hashrate.
thestringdude: :( he is a broker but sometimes takes unexpected leave. He is probably profiting on the volatility.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 81.60000, Best ask: 82.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.40000, Last trade: 81.60000, 24 hour volume: 344493.53429010, 24 hour low: 54.25000, 24 hour high: 140.00000, 24 hour vwap: 84.08093
gribble: There are currently 2212.4906 bitcoins offered at or under 83.0 USD, worth 178085.831235 USD in total. | Data vintage: 110.5263 seconds
gribble: There are currently 116.80199 bitcoins demanded at or over 80.0 USD, worth 9344.15952 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0071 seconds
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 80.00000, Best ask: 80.50000, Bid-ask spread: 0.50000, Last trade: 80.00000, 24 hour volume: 345297.93796984, 24 hour low: 54.25000, 24 hour high: 140.00000, 24 hour vwap: 83.99958
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 80.00000, Best ask: 80.63032, Bid-ask spread: 0.63032, Last trade: 80.63032, 24 hour volume: 345297.93796984, 24 hour low: 54.25000, 24 hour high: 140.00000, 24 hour vwap: 83.99958
jurov: thestringdude, maybe you're using wrong broker then :P
gribble: There are currently 9890.3521 bitcoins offered at or under 100.0 USD, worth 918182.560604 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0026 seconds
thestringdude: Am I jurov? As I recall you charge 1.3 btc a year :P i guess in consideration, that = 1 mpex account in about 20 years
assbot: [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 123.90251552 / 218.88143499 / 226.22012381 (14550 shares, 2,478.62 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00067363 / 0.00069461 / 0.00071795 (397326 shares, 275.99 BTC), 7D: 0.00063322 / 0.00068844 / 0.00071795 (1922595 shares, 1,323.61 BTC), 30D: 0.00059218 / 0.00068816 / 0.00077505 (9962088 shares, 6,855.60 BTC)
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 11 @ 0.00386 = 0.0425 BTC [+]
jurov: lol dunno how much mircea will be asking in 20 years
assbot: [HAVELOCK:HIM] 1D: 1.20000000 / 1.3574 / 1.65000000 (50 shares, 67.87000000 BTC), 7D: 0.75000001 / 1.46804495 / 1.93000000 (287 shares, 421.32890011 BTC), 30D: 0.75000001 / 1.73321281 / 2.08000000 (812 shares, 1407.36880041 BTC)
thestringdude: Why is there no message for smickles rating of you?
jurov: um, i should prolly ask rating on every withdrawal like mp does
jurov: oh, he was out of words
jurov: it's not wallet, ya know
ThickAsThieves: ive been in this chan for like 4 mos, and smickles was absent most of it
ThickAsThieves: guy seems great, but i dunno why youd want a broker that was rarely around
ThickAsThieves: how many mos need to pass for you to change your outlook?
thestringdude: Sends monthly statements and was around to capture options instantly like Bugpowder sometimes does for me.
thestringdude: Its just he has been playing too much kerbal space program...
ThickAsThieves: btc is more adictive than any game i ever got stuck on, so i'm not even gonna google kerbal
unbalanced: jurov's wd fee is 0.1 BTC, no? Not the end of the world as I agree it's not a wallet, not meant for penny (er, satoshi) pinching arb trades.
unbalanced: Do you have minimum account sizes? I guess not since a user can 0 the account to put it on hold.
jurov: only on beginning you have to deposit 1 BTC, after that you can have anything you like there
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.397 BTC [+]
jurov: but if you keep negative balance too long (due to monthly fee) then we'll have to resolve it somehow
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 5 @ 0.00386 = 0.0193 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.0027 / 0.00320359 / 0.00373333 (72712 shares, 232.94 BTC), 7D: 0.0027 / 0.00293113 / 0.00373333 (283173 shares, 830.02 BTC), 30D: 0.0027 / 0.00348895 / 0.00599987 (1833964 shares, 6,398.61 BTC)
assbot: [HAVELOCK:HIM] 1D: 1.20000000 / 1.3574 / 1.65000000 (50 shares, 67.87000000 BTC), 7D: 0.75000001 / 1.46488035 / 1.93000000 (285 shares, 417.49090011 BTC), 30D: 0.75000001 / 1.73321281 / 2.08000000 (812 shares, 1407.36880041 BTC)
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.01019 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.00069424 = 3.61 BTC [-]
lippoper1: .01 sales flooding the orderbook, lagging and bringing the price down ;-)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.39 = 1.17 BTC [-]
jurov: ThickAsThieves, you don't know the price what these 9`375 were bought or sold for
jurov: and exercises aren't shown publicly at all.. so no guessing possible
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 8 @ 0.38 = 3.04 BTC [-]
pgp: can't get to gox website...
lippoper1: but isee no reason for it not to drop further into 70's
lippoper1: they are really hammering their system
gribble: Error: Problem retrieving gox lag. Try again later.
lippoper1: I don't know why Gox doesn't implement a minimum requirement for API trading
pgp: and free trading for two days creates more problems for them
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3800 @ 0.00069424 = 2.6381 BTC [-]
gribble: MtGox lag is 7.893106 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.0158176960484 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin one full loop along the orbit of the Moon around Earth (0.016 AU).
gribble: Error: Failure to retrieve ticker. Try again later.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 73.59439, Best ask: 74.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.40561, Last trade: 74.00000, 24 hour volume: 361168.20410729, 24 hour low: 54.25000, 24 hour high: 140.00000, 24 hour vwap: 83.71417
gribble: Current Blocks: 231000 | Current Difficulty: 7672999.920164138 | Next Difficulty At Block: 231839 | Next Difficulty In: 839 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 21 hours, 45 minutes, and 15 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 9121259.39971 | Estimated Percent Change: 18.87475
jcpham: price has to follow that difficulty of bitcoin is doomed
pgp: so hard to read the tape right now..
unbalanced: What's the Intrinsic Value calc on an mpex put? (strike - vwap) / 1 ?
jurov: yes. just strike - vwap .
unbalanced: Gotcha, makes sense. So exercise is almost always better than selling to the bot.
mircea_popescu: up until recejntly selling to the bot was always better
unbalanced: Right I'd heard that one was better but couldn't remember which, so I was confused.
mircea_popescu: i guess in spite of everything i'm goping to have to make changes to it.
unbalanced: So option holders, remember to check both prices (sell and exercise) before you do one or the other out of habit!
MJR_: what has the best charts?
gribble: MtGox lag is 1.470043 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.00294594971258 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from Jupiter to its third largest moon, Io (0.002819 AU).
pgp: more unpleasantness on the way
unbalanced: unpleasantness as in gox downtime, or price drops?
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 1 @ 0.0021 BTC [+]
lippoper1: got filled when it dipped to 69, I'm sure it'll go lower though
unbalanced: I think I may take up Ultimate Fighting after all this is through, as I'll miss getting punched in the face by the market
lippoper1: looks like new temporary floor at 68
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 71.04147, Best ask: 71.50000, Bid-ask spread: 0.45853, Last trade: 71.50000, 24 hour volume: 369368.13969566, 24 hour low: 54.25000, 24 hour high: 140.00000, 24 hour vwap: 83.45432
gribble: There are currently 10128.579 bitcoins offered at or under 85.0 USD, worth 805040.60529 USD in total. | Data vintage: 82.4081 seconds
gribble: There are currently 48379.75 bitcoins demanded at or over 50.0 USD, worth 2803769.86843 USD in total. | Data vintage: 101.1060 seconds
gribble: There are currently 32.186782 bitcoins demanded at or over 71.0 USD, worth 2285.51774436 USD in total. | Data vintage: 106.1531 seconds
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 69.02000, Best ask: 71.45000, Bid-ask spread: 2.43000, Last trade: 69.02000, 24 hour volume: 369389.32445743, 24 hour low: 54.25000, 24 hour high: 140.00000, 24 hour vwap: 83.45363
gribble: There are currently 2876.6926 bitcoins offered at or under 77.0 USD, worth 218426.498028 USD in total. | Data vintage: 117.2500 seconds
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.35 = 0.7 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 69.87000, Best ask: 69.99998, Bid-ask spread: 0.12998, Last trade: 69.99998, 24 hour volume: 370043.08884897, 24 hour low: 54.25000, 24 hour high: 140.00000, 24 hour vwap: 83.42992
assbot: [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 123.90251552 / 218.88143499 / 226.22012381 (14550 shares, 2,478.62 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 75.00000, Best ask: 75.40000, Bid-ask spread: 0.40000, Last trade: 75.40000, 24 hour volume: 372625.87035167, 24 hour low: 54.25000, 24 hour high: 140.00000, 24 hour vwap: 83.34320
pgp: you know - i really think that this "no trading fees" thing at gox is actually creating even more problems...
pgp: now it cost nothing to colude with others to create wash sales
pgp: painting the tape is what we call it...
MJR_: wait gox has no fees right now?
pgp: for next day and a half
pgp: no barrier to manipulation now...
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 73.35630, Best ask: 74.59264, Bid-ask spread: 1.23634, Last trade: 73.35630, 24 hour volume: 374649.74877586, 24 hour low: 54.25000, 24 hour high: 140.00000, 24 hour vwap: 83.29169
mircea_popescu: they're trying to create the imprerssion volume is still there.
MJR_: no BARRIER to manipulation
ThickAsThieves: nasically no matter what level the price reaches, itll be worked back and forth by a $10 spread
pgp: mp: i think you're right
ThickAsThieves: itll take aggressive action to push it in any direction
pgp: makes real price discovery that much harder
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 4 @ 0.36 = 1.44 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.3501 BTC [-]
pgp: also with no fees, market making bots can just flood the system with orders, making things worse...
splnkr: hmmm..all this spasmodic behavior by gox is kind of a testament to the folly of meddling with money markets, which is what i thought bitcoin was designed to discourage
pgp: gox... fucking retards...
ThickAsThieves: at this point we can only call them dumb for so many offenses, it has crossed into intentional
splnkr: what we need is a decentralized set of regional exchanges that are all "glued" together in terms of fund transfer, with standardized API's, etc, so arbitrage can be performed and people can use them
pgp: splnkr: yes... I am a big advocate of such a thing...
pgp: unfortunately such a system is only as strong as it's weakest link...
splnkr: cool pgp just to be clear when i said 'people can use them' i meant people can go from one to the other and not have a whole new learning curve again for the basic deposit/withdrawal processes
pgp: the whole thing is soooo fragmented right now...
pgp: not so long as FED keeps buying assets...
pgp: fiat asset bubble is just starting
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13124 @ 0.00069963 = 9.1819 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7976 @ 0.00070057 = 5.5877 BTC [+]
pgp: gold getting SMACKED today...
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 73.80000, Best ask: 73.80001, Bid-ask spread: 0.00001, Last trade: 73.80001, 24 hour volume: 376604.16676873, 24 hour low: 54.25000, 24 hour high: 140.00000, 24 hour vwap: 83.23934
damientrog: some must made a ton of money out of this histeria
pgp: gox market is behaving very strangely... definately something unusual/artificial... Call me crazy, but just not passing the smell test for me right now...
damientrog: already 2 bastards that didn't pay their transactions on bitcoin.de
damientrog: it's like a buying frenzy for inflated currency
pgp: <damientrog> what do you mean?
damientrog: well why sell your gold, bitcoin, silver?
damientrog: for dollars are euros that you know are being inflated heavily
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 73.95835, Best ask: 73.98000, Bid-ask spread: 0.02165, Last trade: 73.95835, 24 hour volume: 378171.43939828, 24 hour low: 54.25000, 24 hour high: 140.00000, 24 hour vwap: 83.20200
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5674 @ 0.00070057 = 3.975 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4604 @ 0.00070081 = 3.2265 BTC [+]
gribble: smickles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 0 days, 23 hours, 57 minutes, and 36 seconds ago: <smickles> a bitcoin atm could be the easiest way to send money to a friend, each of you just goes to an atm
gribble: jurov was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 40 minutes and 7 seconds ago: <jurov> yes. just strike - vwap .
Chilca: Good morning mircea_popescu
damientrog: any idea what's going on bitcoin-24.com?
pgp: my feeling is that it's getting ready to break to the downside, though...
ThickAsThieves: mo, would you mind click the Buy $1m button a couple times?
pgp: activity for last 1/2 hour just seems... odd...
ThickAsThieves: i think humans are waiting for a shift before taking action
ThickAsThieves: but bots are making too much money from the people who arent
gribble: There are currently 113783.17 bitcoins demanded at or over 32.0 USD, worth 5511237.11861 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0049 seconds
gribble: There are currently 52162.042 bitcoins demanded at or over 50.0 USD, worth 3057415.9691 USD in total. | Data vintage: 6.3262 seconds
pgp: they have to turn the fees back on! this is totally artificial
gribble: There are currently 30163.221 bitcoins demanded at or over 57.0 USD, worth 1904811.61423 USD in total. | Data vintage: 21.5855 seconds
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 71.50000, Best ask: 71.89000, Bid-ask spread: 0.39000, Last trade: 71.50000, 24 hour volume: 382755.81915148, 24 hour low: 54.25000, 24 hour high: 140.00000, 24 hour vwap: 83.07081
gribble: A market order to buy 200 bitcoins right now would take 14406.8631 USD and would take the last price up to 72.4000 USD, resulting in an average price of 72.0343 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 45.5410 seconds
gribble: Time since last block: 25 minutes and 57 seconds
gribble: A market order to buy 1000 bitcoins right now would take 72536.2371 USD and would take the last price up to 72.8415 USD, resulting in an average price of 72.5362 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 53.2205 seconds
Scrat: inb4 gox PR boasting about their new record volume
KRS1: what mp does this all point to ya think
MJR_: see...this is typical gox
KRS1: maybe we're done for today
MJR_: do the exact opposite of what would make sense
MJR_: too many orders? incentivize more
taub: the btce volime died off quickly after gox was back :/
KRS1: yeah, weird that it works out that way
MJR_: its super simple, you need to filter
MJR_: based on whatever metric you care to use
pgp: ride isn't over yet...
KRS1: folks trade at gox and stop trading at btce
taub: 0% fee is nice but eh
taub: who knows when they shut it down again for "cooldown"
Scrat: 0 fees is a dick move
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7545 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7547 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7548 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 0.755 = 2.265 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.759 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7599 BTC [+]
pgp: 0 fees is just plain dumb...
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.76 = 1.52 BTC [+]
pgp: just drop it .2% or something - making it free just makes things worse
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 0.76 = 7.6 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: pgp they have absoluterly no idea what any of the buttons do,.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3673 @ 0.00070739 = 2.5982 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1800 @ 0.0007091 = 1.2764 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2500 @ 0.00071208 = 1.7802 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: buncha kids from the retarded kindergarten got into a boeing, are having fun
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 0.76 = 2.28 BTC [+]
pgp: logjam now unjammed...
Tritonio: anyone here has got BITBOND bonds?
pigeons: Tritonio: i think Namworld holds a bit and amazingrando owes him a bit
Tritonio: well i theory that was a loan, not BITBOND bonds. I was actually looking for some of the people that actually had BITBOND. The ones that are supposed to be contacted by amazingrando to discuss about BITBOND-ASIC. I was going to ask if they ever got contacted by him about that.
taub: it had a chance to bounce from 70 to 99, but didnt happen :)
mircea_popescu: and all other exchanges slightly under what they were.
pgp: looks like i'm eating lunch at my desk...
Guest42002: mircea_popescu: why is the bot not quoting?
mircea_popescu: the fact that a site answers to you doens't mean it answers everyone else.
mircea_popescu: the facvt that it doesn't answer to you still doesn't mean it's not answering to everyone else.
Guest42002: yes, but the bot is always up usually, he's been down a lot more :(
mircea_popescu: well, most of bitcoin infrastructure was always up usually
pizzaman1337: and when stuff is happening is when people want to trade
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17015 @ 0.0007195 = 12.2423 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 67.80000, Best ask: 68.90000, Bid-ask spread: 1.10000, Last trade: 68.90000, 24 hour volume: 388885.47870841, 24 hour low: 54.25000, 24 hour high: 140.00000, 24 hour vwap: 82.85309
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15835 @ 0.00072 = 11.4012 BTC [+]
Guest42002: mircea_popescu: so why aren't you troubleshooting?
ThickAsThieves: i'm not sure friedcat can ever be doubted again after this, now i'm a fanboi
Guest42002: lol oh mircea_popescu in the fact it says a couple of hours at most?
mircea_popescu: "Bitcoin mostly consists of retards, MtGox is a piece of shit, nothing useful can be made in this space and if you try people will ask you why is everyone else retarded"
error4733: ThickAs... TAKE MY BITCOOOOOOOOOOOOOOIN
Guest42002: ThickAsThieves: but are they going to be sold onthe market?
Guest42002: mircea_popescu: so you havve lost faith in bitcoin because no one listens to you?
mircea_popescu: Guest42002 no dude. i am just trying to illustrate to you kinda how pointless your approach is.
KRS1: what about order books
mircea_popescu: it's the fact those fuckwits can't keep trading orderly.
KRS1: i see orders and sells at given prices are those the same as the charts..i feel stupid for asking this
mircea_popescu: and for the record i've not lost faith in bitcoin or anything.
mircea_popescu: just, sitting there and hitting f5 on the mpex page is scarcely a good use of tyour time.
mircea_popescu: if it catches a feed it quotes (it has multiple times today)
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.01019 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: if you actually want to buy/sell, wait for one of those and do so.
mircea_popescu: today, yesterday, for as long as market stays disorderly
Guest42002: that wasn't what I was pointing out but I guess you're right in that sense, what was the url for stat json feed?
mircea_popescu: which pretty much means for as long as gox exists, going forward
Ali__: cheers for the channel link
Guest42002: mircea_popescu: thanks for you help and being available
mircea_popescu: 'd love to get you the url but can't load the site to do so.
mircea_popescu: no dood, i'm not under any attack. site doesn't load 0.o
Guest42002: sweet thank mircea_popescu I"m sorry for being a poop
jborkl: mpex.co is loading fine,if thats what he is bitching about
Guest42002: i was asking for mpex stat there is a public url for json feed from mpex yes?
mircea_popescu: jborkl i've had issues with the bot not quoting these past days because it couldn't get the price feed and other data.
mircea_popescu: or was. heh i guess we've been chatting for ten minutes here.
mircea_popescu: so were you looking to buy something or just get heartbroken whenever bot's away ?
jborkl: there is no lag, it is down again
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7599 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.76 BTC [+]
gribble: Error: Problem retrieving gox lag. Try again later.
jborkl: no fee trades, could not have ended bad.. when they were already overloaded with volume
jborkl: might as well die and give up....
jborkl: or maybe more troll boxes on trading sites...
pipeline: hey guys this is just a helpful note
jborkl: I cant even use btce , the troll box pisses me off too bad
pipeline: make sure that you have java installed
pipeline: after all, you can't really be a btc trader until you've had your wallet stolen by spearfishers at least once
jborkl: full MtGox exp? I think fuck up , bend over , no lube
guruvan: Anything to get more volume in and keep it off gox
Guest42002: mircea_popescu: bitcoin already has brainz no one listens to them
gribble: MtGox lag is 1.647474 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.00330151944996 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from Jupiter to its third largest moon, Io (0.002819 AU).
Doffx: Bitcoin needs WAY more merchant, WAY more goods for sale.
mircea_popescu: otherwise the merchants will get fucked, not want to try it again
taub: cute, gox keeps goxing
joecool: most merchants with brains that i've spoken to take BTC way over market due to risk (usually caused by gox)
joecool: i'm wondering how bad the btcpay accepting merchants got burned in the past day
Doffx: We need a decentralized exchange to give us better price discovery for BTC
taub: its working right now but had an outage of 10 mins ...
Doffx: And I need to be smarter and better at programming so I could just make my own, dammit.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9165 @ 0.00072 = 6.5988 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00072363 = 2.8945 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1735 @ 0.00073 = 1.2666 BTC [+]
taub: not worth all that legal trouble...
mircea_popescu: Doffx a concerted effort to push local bitcoins would be great i guess.
Doffx: There would be no legal taub if it was not controlled by anyone
taub: how would that work
MJR_: open outcry market?
mircea_popescu: MJR_ i was explaining a month or two ago how to get a fixing market for btc.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7609 BTC [+]
Doffx: Hell if I knew how it would work id be building it.
Doffx: I just know we need some virtual way to discover price that cannot be halted by a DOS attack or maintenance
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7609 BTC [+]
pgp: breaking out now.... let's see what happens!
jcpham: kaminsky says he can't hack bitcoin on businessinsider
taub: doesnt mean anything....
Doffx: Tell it to go back to like 140 I want to go buy silver
ThickAsThieves: Doffx, you might wanna come back in a month or two then
Doffx: Anyhow, off to move a hotel Payment system to a new server, lets hope all my planning paid off.
Doffx: Ill be here ThickAsThieves
jborkl: lol, he could fuck up a wet dream
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.7609 = 1.5218 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7609 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 15 @ 0.761 = 11.415 BTC [+]
joecool: taub: why shop him, he probably took the picture
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7608 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7605 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7605 BTC [-]
pgp: the chart just can't catch a break here...
taub: beat me to it ThickAsThieves
jborkl: mtgox is delaying bitcoin depoits past 6 confirms
error4733: dont event thinks to share this pictures :) in b4 backfire from US gov :)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.347 = 1.041 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7605 BTC [-]
error4733: Jcpham !! wtf is that !! to sooooon to sooooon
guruvan: jcpham: um holy shit - that's pretty huge
taub: with the freflection n all
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00369999 = 3.7 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1500 @ 0.0037 = 5.55 BTC [+]
guruvan: wtf can't w/d btc from gox w/o verification?!
joecool: guruvan: stop bitching, they are having pizza parties
joecool: down to verifying ~200/day
joecool: market crashes, have a pizza party
lippoper1: @guruvan, seriously, can't even withdraw BTC?
taub: where is the mtgox pizza story from?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00073 = 0.73 BTC [+]
jborkl: Well, they are holding incoming Bticoins way past 6 transactions
guruvan: that does it.....acct closure
gribble: MtGox lag is 0.535276 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.00107268711075 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin to the other side of the Earth, along the surface (0.0001339 AU).
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 75.40000, Best ask: 75.52445, Bid-ask spread: 0.12445, Last trade: 75.52445, 24 hour volume: 407138.79371493, 24 hour low: 54.25000, 24 hour high: 140.00000, 24 hour vwap: 82.40787
gribble: There are currently 6761.0366 bitcoins demanded at or over 70.0 USD, worth 486098.893975 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0039 seconds
gribble: Error: The "Market" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "bus" in it. Try "list Market" to see the commands in the "Market" plugin.
gribble: There are currently 0 bitcoins offered at or under 75.0 USD, worth 0.0 USD in total. | Data vintage: 11.7401 seconds
gribble: There are currently 324.92096 bitcoins demanded at or over 75.0 USD, worth 24420.8701994 USD in total. | Data vintage: 16.2594 seconds
gribble: A market order to buy 1000 bitcoins right now would take 76513.2796 USD and would take the last price up to 78.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 76.5133 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 20.2961 seconds
gribble: smickles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 1 day, 1 hour, 32 minutes, and 26 seconds ago: <smickles> a bitcoin atm could be the easiest way to send money to a friend, each of you just goes to an atm
gribble: A market order to sell 1000 bitcoins right now would net 74661.2462 USD and would take the last price down to 73.8500 USD, resulting in an average price of 74.6612 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 106.5025 seconds
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100 @ 0.00072159 = 0.0722 BTC [-]
gribble: A market order to sell 5000 bitcoins right now would net 362365.5204 USD and would take the last price down to 70.9000 USD, resulting in an average price of 72.4731 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 142.5831 seconds
lippoper1: when it comes back, my $80 bid will be filled, and the price will be back down lol
taub: why did you put in an 80 bid oO
gribble: Error: Problem retrieving gox lag. Try again later.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 7 @ 0.345 = 2.415 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 123.90251552 / 218.88143499 / 226.22012381 (14550 shares, 2,478.62 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)
gribble: Time since last block: 35 seconds
taub: oh, bitcoin24 down D:
guruvan: more and more of a joke by the hour
gribble: There are currently 6761.0366 bitcoins demanded at or over 70.0 USD, worth 486098.893975 USD in total. | Data vintage: 325.1259 seconds
gribble: Error: Problem retrieving gox lag. Try again later.
gribble: Error: Failure to retrieve ticker. Try again later.
error4733: what about a webcam in MTgox office ? no more lag ?? profit ???
lippoper1: pump up value put in sell orders, DDoS, public panic sells, you put in buy orders, DDoS, rinse and repeat... This is getting old fast.
taub: I wasnt able to find a pattern between ddos and prices yet
thestringpuller: lippoper1: wait for it though, the media attention has settled I think a lot of people have exited
taub: you think it goes down when it happens?
gribble: Error: Problem retrieving gox lag. Try again later.
pgp: gox down hard again?!?
lippoper1: thestringpuller, I think media attention will boom with reports of how people lost their life savings investing in BTC, etc...
pgp: victims of their own success... lol... I'd like to victimize them...
thestringpuller: lippoper1: yea there wasn't much access to short selling or puts
thestringpuller: bitcoin-charts was knocked offline while gox was plummeting wednesday
gribble: MtGox lag is 1.753297 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.00351358755711 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from Jupiter to its third largest moon, Io (0.002819 AU).
lippoper1: see taub, the price didn't exactly drop this time, but you can see it flatlined there.
jborkl: When we send a bitcoin to Uranus , that is a problem
lippoper1: i think they DDoSed it too hard, when I see lots of .01 listings and then the DDoS comes, that's guaranteed price drop.
gesell: thestringpuller: if i remember bitcoincharts is sponsored by mtgox so they might host on similar lines
guruvan: nah - just flashes to cloudflare a little bit
gesell: I think the headline on reddit now should be "USD skyrockets in value!!"
gesell: with a nice 3day graph
guruvan: Well. I will be thrilled to plug up gox's verification queue with a few more people who will then never trade at gox again.
lippoper1: since you can't even withdraw a f$^&#$ btc
lippoper1: i'm not transferring any btc in there anymore
mircea_popescu: if this isn't a scam toppling over i don't know what is.
gesell: mircea_popescu: im not following
guruvan: I only moved a little in for the excitement yesterday, and WTF shouldnt' they tell me it's a fucking roach hotel for bitcoins BEFORE deposit
guruvan: I have to agree mircea_popescu
gesell: what part appears to be a scam. did i miss something? people can move out btc?
gesell: so there is a hold on getting your btc out of the exhange?
thestringpuller: they are claiming no fractional reserve though on reddit in the iama
mircea_popescu: is it titled "i am a fractional reserve ask me anything" ?
guruvan: tried to w/d FIVE BTC and gotta verify
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: pretty much have you read it yet? it's sort of amusing
guruvan: w/e - I don't give a damn what someone claims - prove it
taub: video game time i guess
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2872 @ 0.00071888 = 2.0646 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5822 @ 0.00070317 = 4.0939 BTC [-]
gesell: is there a link to this?
kakobrekla: wait - it works for verified and not for unverified?
mircea_popescu: yeah they've locked btcwithdrawals for unverified accts.
joecool: just keep suggesting to him to get legal counsel, he will need it
thestringpuller: it seems whenever you get ddos'ed the requests still get to mpex
thestringpuller: i've read the article you reference, but if mtgox isn't migrating to that model with all the money they are making from their success, you are more than right...
mircea_popescu: so far what they've done is they've got a 128gbserver to run their shit in ram
mircea_popescu: i have raid 1+0 ssd's, they're probably faster than their ram
joecool: mircea_popescu: they need bigger/faster machines to crash harder/faster
gesell: mircea_popescu: poland shutdown bitcoin-24... was that you?? :P
lippoper1: I don't know I heard they're using DDR 800Mhz ram
lippoper1: That's like top of the line for their Pentium II
deadweasel: architecture is fucked. there is no architecture.
thestringpuller: this is absurd 100 trades get in executed then it stops accepting requests
mircea_popescu: basically from what can be seen from the outside they take each order and do a mysql select against the entire book
gesell: thestringpuller: its actually just a timeout due to DoS
lippoper1: they'll be back spinning the wheels soon
gesell: mircea_popescu: in addition with each trade they probably had to recalculate your fee bracket which meant querying the db to see previous trades. nuts
mircea_popescu: they desperately need to hire somebody who knows wtf trading is and obey them.
mircea_popescu: unfortunate for them that the 3-4 people who fit the bill and are in btc can't stand them
joecool: doesn't help though, hate them or not, they cause the single most damage to bitcoin
gesell: can someone tell me, is it common in markets that i can place multiple orders despite not having the total sum required for all of them. such as i $5000 and i place two orders for 100btc at $50. obviously i dont have $50x200.
gribble: MtGox lag is 1.260122 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.00252527037897 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from Earth to Moon (0.00257 AU).
pipeline: gesell: yes that is the norm in stock markets
joecool: the amusing thing is, when i came into bitcoin, it was the same story, they fucked up big and crashed the market
gesell: okay. ic. pipeline is there a logic for it or just how it is?
pipeline: gesell: a lot of your orders will never be executed, so why would they limit you?
lippoper1: worse thing is your order doesn't get filled.
gesell: i dont understand... i would think that one would have to remove one order maxing their fiat before making another one
lippoper1: not unless an order takes it all up first
mircea_popescu: gesell most websites (etrade etc) will allow you to place any set of orders you wish.
mircea_popescu: no exchange will tolerate this. any order placed is firm and executed.
lippoper1: see on btc-e, once you place a bid or ask, they remove the balance from your account
mircea_popescu: so basically... there's two things here. what are you discussing, the exchanges or the web selfserve brokers ?
gribble: MtGox lag is 0.92356 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.00185080389931 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin across the outer diameter of Saturn's rings (0.0024 AU).
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 74.85000, Best ask: 75.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.15000, Last trade: 74.85000, 24 hour volume: 410473.52836880, 24 hour low: 54.25000, 24 hour high: 140.00000, 24 hour vwap: 82.35474
gesell: yeah i guess my question relates more to whales building artificual walls. as these appear to be indicators for people
lippoper1: i don't get it, nothing is moving on gox
lippoper1: That explains why those "walls" disappear
gesell: yeah lag reports iidle
gesell: yeet no trades seemingly
lippoper1: The more they say mtgox is manipulating the market, the more likely it seems, especially with this weirdness right now.
gesell: i dont think so at all
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 75.13000, Best ask: 75.89000, Bid-ask spread: 0.76000, Last trade: 75.13000, 24 hour volume: 413500.15314673, 24 hour low: 54.25000, 24 hour high: 140.00000, 24 hour vwap: 82.29544
gribble: There are currently 0 bitcoins offered at or under 75.89 USD, worth 0.0 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0028 seconds
gribble: There are currently 407.97339 bitcoins demanded at or over 75.0 USD, worth 30636.2108184 USD in total. | Data vintage: 12.1662 seconds
gribble: There are currently 0 bitcoins offered at or under 75.0 USD, worth 0.0 USD in total. | Data vintage: 17.1069 seconds
gesell: gox has some scaling issues, and architecture issues, some policy issues. but i think they just can fix them all in time to handle the load
gribble: There are currently 0 bitcoins offered at or under 74.0 USD, worth 0.0 USD in total. | Data vintage: 21.4388 seconds
gribble: There are currently 503.44177 bitcoins offered at or under 76.0 USD, worth 38260.2899496 USD in total. | Data vintage: 28.7110 seconds
Skarr_: gesell: The Gox system accepts the orders, but puts them into a Pending state. I'm almost certain they don't appear on the books until they've switched to an Open state. That transition does a check to ensure you have the sufficient funds.
gesell: Skarr_: yeah? thats something at least, if true. Will see if i can test this
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7604 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 8 @ 0.7605 = 6.084 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8833 @ 0.00070274 = 6.2073 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 75.20515, Best ask: 75.30000, Bid-ask spread: 0.09485, Last trade: 75.40000, 24 hour volume: 413800.63298868, 24 hour low: 54.25000, 24 hour high: 140.00000, 24 hour vwap: 82.29060
pgp: I thought they were putting the code change in on apr 17th
lippoper1: I'm sure they threw a pizza party for that one too
pgp: and no more gox codes either...
Skarr_: mircea: you're kidding! I could put a 100,000 BTC buy on the books without funds?
mircea_popescu: Skarr_ no no. you can't make the order at all if not funded.
pgp: wouldn't show up on book until funded
mircea_popescu: pgp i might be confused, but afaik it was announced as already done
lippoper1: bought some girl's pantyhose in a vending machine
joecool: <pgp> I thought they were putting the code change in on apr 17th <<
joecool: mircea_popescu: i don't think they did it yet
Skarr_: Ahhhhhhh. You're right. They knocked it outta the park communicating that one. Thanks for the heads up.
Skarr_: I'll at least know to keep an eye on it now.
pgp: if they did - i'm sure lag would be a lot better
splnkr: that should take the edge off
pgp: it'll make gox passble until more profession exchange platforms come online
pgp: what's the matter with me today - can't type or spell...
gesell: Okay ive tested how it handles multiple orders
Namworld: at least they never vanished with users funds
Namworld: even if they are slow... I think that's the reason tehy survive even if they can't make their exchange work right.
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.2 BTC [+]
pigeons: yes they even bailed out users of other exchanges like bitomat
pigeons: although they have pulled a mircea_popescu and rolled back before ;)
gesell: So if I place two orders for BTC that "nearly" max out my FIAt what it does is fulfills the first and aadjusts the second to be for only the amount of FIAT left. Interestingly this will show up in the orderbooks (API2) but not the web interface
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19000 @ 0.00070279 = 13.353 BTC [+]
gesell: on the web UI it looks as though I have two orders both at near max of the FIAT
gesell: Also if interested... it takes 50 seconds for my order to show up in the
http API based orderbooks (didnt check websockets). so if you are realying on the non-websocket API's for up to date information, DONT
gesell: also lets be honest, all the exchanges probably have shitty code
mircea_popescu: Namworld i'm aware the bot is in "we've been attacked by aliens" mode.
Namworld: eheh, no, I mean, the algorythm might need to be changed a bit
Namworld: so that asks prices for calls tend toward 1 for example without ever reaching it.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 75.92000, Best ask: 75.99000, Bid-ask spread: 0.07000, Last trade: 75.99000, 24 hour volume: 415482.07084261, 24 hour low: 54.25000, 24 hour high: 140.00000, 24 hour vwap: 82.26400
pigeons: if mp is doing something that you think needs to be changed, its really intentional
Namworld: For example, the calls struck at 41 USD/BTC will be in the money at... -1885.90 USD
Namworld: I'd love for someone to pay me that much for the privilege of offloading their BTC into my hands
Namworld: technically it's: strike / (1 - ask)
Namworld: if ask is higher than one, it's strike divided by a negative number
Namworld: Infinity would put value of call at 1
Namworld: Bot asks for mad high prices, it's funny
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1615 @ 0.00348384 = 5.6264 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: the sort of drop it's seen (260 -> 50) makes it think the world is ending really.
joecool: it's small when you consider $36 -> $2?
Namworld: yeah, well I noticed the more volatility there was, the higher the asks the bot asks for
splnkr: 18x --> 5x hope next time isn't just a boring old 2x boo
joecool: i thought $70 would be a good number for 2013, i did a large buy at $30 feeling that way
mircea_popescu: "i have spent 8 years in romania, and im shocked that this mind is coming from this country :)"
mircea_popescu: and based on the past history it had an engine made. as i said yest, i think security and pricing got melded together in some edge cases
mircea_popescu: we're still working to mapping out this entire thing, it's not exactly a trivial task
pgp: i see bots implied volatility at 600-700 on ask prices of calls
jborkl: woot, sent dust spam to sd on less than 2000 and won
mircea_popescu: pgp his point is valid tho, should never be quoting above 1. rough edge there.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7689 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7695 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5850 @ 0.0007085 = 4.1447 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 167 @ 0.00070279 = 0.1174 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6309 @ 0.00070071 = 4.4208 BTC [-]
Namworld: Well even when it was quoting under, breakeven went skyhigh near the lowest calls
Namworld: yeah. Could be improved upon tho so the effect is less and the low calls are actually good
Namworld: albeit if they were priced correctly, they would be lowest gain but also lowest losses
Namworld: If people wanted less leverage
pgp: mp: so all puts mispriced right now?
pgp: but the implied vol on the calls just doesn't seem worth it given where we are now...
lippoper1: Dare I say the market is becoming stable?
mircea_popescu: they are just very expensive to my eyes. but it's what bot thinks.
joecool: well they were right, solved excessive lag by crashing frequently
pgp: all the ask prices are the same from C119T to C389T...
pgp: how does that make sense?
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7696 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.2 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: bot has a "won't sell a call for under X" to protect the book from padding. this because of the open auction style of the bonds financing it. you understand what i mean ?
mircea_popescu: i mean this : each call sold counts as 1 BTC in the needed capital.
mircea_popescu: if someone ahs a bond in at say 25% and there are 10k btc at lower % than him
mircea_popescu: he could theoretically buy 10k calls for 10 BTC total, so at 0,001 and then get 25 btc for his b ond
mircea_popescu: this is an artefact of how the bot is financed, not a mispricing per se,.
mircea_popescu: now, exactly how much he considers that cutorff to be... in many months it was 0.02 or 0.03 etc.
mircea_popescu: now it's 0.26 so based on the volatility we could say bot is hinting at interest rates over 50% per month.
pgp: aha - that makes sense...
mircea_popescu: but i am loath to change it because i have never done so yet.
pgp: nonetheless - your "cheapest" call from an impl vol perspective is C116T. avg would need to go to $139 in two weeks to breakeven - tough call...
mircea_popescu: no but srsly. from this perspective i could see it wanting 200 for breakeven wtf.
assbot: [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 123.90251552 / 218.88143499 / 226.22012381 (14550 shares, 2,478.62 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)
joecool: i haven't seen that idiot in a minute
pgp: except that in most asset classes, when bubbles burst, impl vol goes down, not up...
pgp: but then again that assume many market makers...
pgp: here we just have the bot
mircea_popescu: pgp i am not saying the bot is right here. i am just saying, it's not directly obvious to me how it is wrong and how much.
mircea_popescu: we;ve done more collective shrugging this past week than the shrugging monks of livonia.
pgp: merely opining - i don't know what the right price should be...
pigeons: how is it an edge if no one buys them?
pgp: yes big loss in BTC terms - but not in fiat terms
pigeons: how does losing money make him a scammer?
pgp: bondholder haircut was how much last month?
pgp: how much did BTC go up last month?
mircea_popescu: and from mid 90s to 260ish on the spot in april, and then down
pgp: you have to consider fiat, because the bond investment is selling fiat options
pgp: fine - if BTC is you base curreny, you lost...
thestringpuller: tiberiusiv: don't speak unless you contribute something to economy other than being a troll
pgp: betting is inelastic to BTC price
mircea_popescu: to be perfectly fair : we have jackshit for data as to all these things.
pgp: big move up in USD/BTC, big move down in BTC denominated shares of SDICE...
pigeons: yeah its not really known how elastic betting is to btc price, and it isnt really knowable because the users and their behavior may change
mircea_popescu: moreover, pretty much all financials got axed as people flew towards the exchange to play there.
mircea_popescu: in fact keiser+idiot friends created a situation much like pirate.
Namworld: Only the bonds thing would hurt, not the exchange
Namworld: Bot goes out when it runs out of funds
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 10 @ 0.00369999 = 0.037 BTC [+]
Namworld: So really, another loss reduce bondholders which reduce how many options the bot can make
pigeons: people might even agree with you some tiberiusiv if you lost the racism, the eskimobobism, the blind rage ignoring facts, etc
pgp: i am not advocating that call should be cheaper - mp has to do whatever he thinks is right - just making observations...
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00296405 / 0.0033407 / 0.00373333 (62627 shares, 209.22 BTC), 7D: 0.0027 / 0.00292871 / 0.00373333 (277523 shares, 812.79 BTC), 30D: 0.0027 / 0.00348923 / 0.00599987 (1838086 shares, 6,413.51 BTC)
Namworld: the bot uses available BTC to make options
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller all this rarara bitcoin is going over 590685804589 stuiff
Namworld: yes... so that MIGHT, MAYBE kill the options thing
pigeons: so don't do business with him, i think you're a self-hating gypsy
Namworld: It doesn't kill the exchange nor the stocks
pigeons: no he doesnt want to admit he's a retard, but you look more retarded trying to get him to admit it
Namworld: I had puts... they never got rolled back. Huge profits for me...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1990 @ 0.00369999 = 7.363 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2500 @ 0.0037 = 9.25 BTC [+]
Namworld: not sure what Bugpowder's case is all about...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.0037333 = 3.7333 BTC [+]
pigeons: no one is a retard, tiberiusiv just really really acts that way
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2510 @ 0.00373331 = 9.3706 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: you are making extraordinary claims yet, you have no proof of the intent to deceive in the situation
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 80.10000, Best ask: 80.89900, Bid-ask spread: 0.79900, Last trade: 80.10000, 24 hour volume: 426494.87031080, 24 hour low: 54.25000, 24 hour high: 140.00000, 24 hour vwap: 82.14199
thestringpuller: so mircea_popescu should we not trust your 100,000 btc empire because tiberiusiv has said you are a scammer and claims to have proof of your malice?
Namworld: I had to sell 80 @ like 25 USD to buy a server for BitVPS. Not to start a business, just to buy some hardware...
Namworld: Stings when price rose to 250 weeks later
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller we should not highlight me for nonsebnse cause io'm ion like 3 convos and it just wastes my time
thestringpuller: if kakobrekla wants to mute me, then fine, but it seems you are the one without skin in the game
Namworld: I think I won about 350 BTC on options in March/April. Lost 200 in January/February tho
Namworld: But I haven't got lots on MPEx
thestringpuller: tiberiusiv: he's had more of a magnitude of that loss, see August 2012
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 82.66975, Best ask: 86.52356, Bid-ask spread: 3.85381, Last trade: 82.66975, 24 hour volume: 431290.95680419, 24 hour low: 54.25000, 24 hour high: 140.00000, 24 hour vwap: 82.14193
pigeons: if it happened before tiberiusiv got here, like the other mpbor bond loss month, it didnt really happen
pigeons: no that didnt happen either
pigeons: yeah i needed to make lists to organize
pigeons: you're in there with roger ver and realsolid
pigeons: laughing is good for health
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 85.01000, Best ask: 85.20000, Bid-ask spread: 0.19000, Last trade: 85.20000, 24 hour volume: 434993.64973390, 24 hour low: 54.25000, 24 hour high: 140.00000, 24 hour vwap: 82.17972
Namworld: worst might be over but it seems we've established a downward trend
MJR_: deon't know about that
MJR_: if you take now, and connect it to the 1st, or march 15th, or march 1st...its an upward trend
MJR_: and i think the 200 day, 50 day simple moving averages are all trending up overal
pigeons: there hasn't been a buying opportunity this good in weeks! as max would say
mircea_popescu: why do i get the feeling pigeons and jcpham are in the same trollclub
Namworld: myeah, but as of now, crash isn't slowing down one bit
pigeons: we're not, but i did nominate to induct jcpham to my trollclub since we lost a member
pigeons: didn't tell him yet though
gesell: the weekend brings no new funds end though perhaps there is enough sitting on the exchange that came in the past 2 days that no one wanted to put it.
Namworld: It looks like we're losing 25 USD/BTC every 5-7 hours on average, up until now
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 82.50001, Best ask: 83.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.49999, Last trade: 83.00000, 24 hour volume: 436129.86770227, 24 hour low: 54.25000, 24 hour high: 140.00000, 24 hour vwap: 82.18694
Namworld: the asks are building, the bids are lowering...
kakobrekla: you cant lose 25 an hour anymore, youd be in negative
pgp: i agree regarding 200 MA... tested and held - I thought it would break... we still might retest... friday nights are historically bad for BTC...
naemsi: I note the 2011 correction was about 70% off and that held until gox got hacked
mircea_popescu: leaves you pussies to ruin the world's greatest noncurrency
Namworld: not every hour... although that can't realistically keep on
naemsi: the parabolic moves and corrections basically mirror each other, but in 2011 a black swan came in too.
Namworld: Been going well so far. I'll stick with whatever I'm doing.
joeykrim: naemsi, what are you using for charts?
naemsi: joeykrim: bitcoincharts and excerpts posted on other sites
pigeons: wow i thought being a gypsy was bad, but that was before i heard that Namworld actually buys servers for his business, what a loser
naemsi: joeykrim: although, I haven't been able to get the custom date feature to work lately.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 80.56000, Best ask: 80.70000, Bid-ask spread: 0.14000, Last trade: 80.56000, 24 hour volume: 440061.19267461, 24 hour low: 54.25000, 24 hour high: 140.00000, 24 hour vwap: 82.17643
joeykrim: bitcoincharts loads everything but the chart for me currently hah
guruvan: volume is absoultely nuts everywhere
gesell: what would be the issues with building an exchange where run using amazon cloud services partially, for the parts that get ddos'ed?
mircea_popescu: lol everybody joins and drops that link since rthis morning.
joeykrim: bitcoin been all over the news, cnbc and bloomberg .. both are watched on big bank trading floors
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 81.00000, Best ask: 81.20000, Bid-ask spread: 0.20000, Last trade: 80.70000, 24 hour volume: 440400.82873140, 24 hour low: 54.25000, 24 hour high: 140.00000, 24 hour vwap: 82.17554
gesell: cnbc price also masiively delayed
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 83.10000, Best ask: 83.40000, Bid-ask spread: 0.30000, Last trade: 83.10000, 24 hour volume: 441114.24602293, 24 hour low: 54.25000, 24 hour high: 140.00000, 24 hour vwap: 82.17493
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17800 @ 0.00070384 = 12.5284 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.0037333 = 3.7333 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2222 @ 0.00373331 = 8.2954 BTC [+]
InstantBTC: ah well sweet. my sell order went through
jborkl: Over 2000 btc up so far this month
jborkl: not me, I mean SD profit
topace: mircea_popescu: im looking into ddos protection for havelock.. any recommendations ?
topace: i dont think we're big enough really to get a target on our back, but you can never be too prepared i suppose
mircea_popescu: topace the correct way to handle this is to separate your trade engine physically,
mircea_popescu: if those pop you can always bring up amazon instances at the very least.
mircea_popescu: have good encryptioon between trade engine and webservers - even if your users don't know gpg you do.
mircea_popescu: the stupid solution is to hire somebody like blacklotus i think were probably the best in the game.
naemsi: and then use a dictionary admin account password
mircea_popescu: and also have a huge pipe. i mean huge, 10gb dedicated +
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 268 @ 0.00373331 = 1.0005 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00373332 = 3.7333 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: alternatively if you're good with dns and micro routing stuff you can do your own dns scrubbing/round robining etc.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37191 @ 0.00070071 = 26.0601 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29000 @ 0.00069795 = 20.2406 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2909 @ 0.00069449 = 2.0203 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00332445 = 3.3245 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 100 @ 0.00332444 = 0.3324 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.015 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 123.90251552 / 218.88143499 / 226.22012381 (14550 shares, 2,478.62 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)
assbot: [BTCTC] [SYNERGY] 1 @ 0.02497 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [SYNERGY] 1 @ 0.024977 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [SYNERGY] 52 @ 0.025 = 1.3 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [SYNERGY] 10 @ 0.03 = 0.3 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 1 @ 0.0021 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 2300 @ 0.00189999 = 4.37 BTC [-]
MJR_: 3rd CNBC story on bitcoins of the day
gribble: smickles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 1 day, 4 hours, 58 minutes, and 22 seconds ago: <smickles> a bitcoin atm could be the easiest way to send money to a friend, each of you just goes to an atm
Doffx: Oh, sounds painful.
thestringpuller: needs to play less kerbal space program and more replying to emails
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 5 @ 0.355 = 1.775 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.355 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 91.10000, Best ask: 91.78900, Bid-ask spread: 0.68900, Last trade: 91.78900, 24 hour volume: 473553.42844556, 24 hour low: 54.25000, 24 hour high: 140.00000, 24 hour vwap: 82.68381
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26600 @ 0.00070384 = 18.7221 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 71 @ 0.35 = 24.85 BTC [-]