jurov: (hopes for jk punchline)
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.763 = 1.526 BTC [-]
assbot: Shit. You ain't even old enough to smoke.
assbot: [BTCT:ASICMINER-PT] 1D: 0.76 / 0.78376 / 0.795 (205 shares, 160.7 BTC), 7D: 0.683004 / 0.76178 / 0.795 (1253 shares, 954.5 BTC), 30D: 0.59998 / 0.77589 / 0.9489 (7745 shares, 6009.3 BTC)
assbot: [HAVELOCK:HIM] 1D: 1.89000000 / 1.92735294 / 1.93000000 (17 shares, 32.76500000 BTC), 7D: 1.82000000 / 1.90417629 / 2.05990000 (97 shares, 184.70510000 BTC), 30D: 1.41000000 / 1.85736363 / 2.08000000 (693 shares, 1287.15299230 BTC)
jurov: ;;rate thestringpuller -1 "joke's on you"
gribble: Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.
jurov: but no, you're a friend :)
FabianB_: 22:59 < jurov> everyone is tired from it :D <-- yeah, but so all the buyers are new?
jurov: how does it follow?
jurov: i meant, btcusd tired us
jborkl_: mtgox socket down fo 95 minutes now
jurov: where? bitcoinity says 235s
jurov: ohh you mean whole socket api down, not lag?
jurov: they will follow mpex lead. no socket api (or third party only)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.2802 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.28 = 0.56 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.258 = 0.516 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.25 = 0.75 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.24 BTC [-]
jurov: then withdrawals will get deprecated
jborkl_: equity is getting shit on, for now
FabianB_: if all the buyers are new, we might crash soon when press slows down
jurov: define crash... some fellows here call even correction to 170 a "crash"
jborkl_: buyers are interested in other things for now, but obtaining bitcoins is getting more and more expensive. therefore will be worth more later
bgupta: counter-trend correction more likely before press slowdown if past is any indicator.
jborkl_: yeah, we go from 20 to 200 and people scream when it goes to 170
bgupta: crash to me would be price drop of >50%.
bgupta: or you talking btc exchange stocks lie sdice am etc
jborkl_: I don't look at fiat stocks
bgupta: which btc stocks are crashing?
bgupta: right now we have churn… hard to say what will happen when it breaks.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 20 @ 0.7624 = 15.248 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 0.7624 = 7.624 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 0.7623 = 3.0492 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.76211 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.762027 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.762024 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.762022 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.762021 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.762 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 0.7611 = 7.611 BTC [-]
jborkl_: That is correct, I said they were getting shit on
bgupta: on volume of what 50 shares?
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.76011 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.75502 BTC [-]
jurov: upward trend stopped.. but dunno whether recent google data is reliable
bgupta: AM really is stuck in a trading range.
jcpham: i was just doing some maths
jcpham: and all those loans i made... that never repaid me
jurov: double facepalm /o\ /o\
jcpham: that doesn't even make sense to me
bgupta: that data is not realtime
jcpham: all bitcoin searches halted
jcpham: i'm glad we can see eye to eye on this
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.30499999 BTC [-]
jurov: disregard today... it seems declining since wednesday... i doubt it takes them 3 days to aggregate all data
jcpham: i thought you were about to say people were still searching for bitcoin
jcpham: and the google data in incomplete
jborkl_: socket down for 110 minutes now
jcpham: but i'm pretty sure all bitcoin searches basically stopped
jcpham: all at once if by magic
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.89 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 6 @ 1.81 = 10.86 BTC [-]
unbalanced_: jborkl_, agree with you re: BTC equities having a bad run: VTX just traded on Havelock for 0.24, down huge from 0.799 peak
unbalanced_: Where BTC has already crossed $200 CAD, btw.
bgupta: although there really is only one mtgox
gribble: Error: "volume" is not a valid command.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 183.75000, Best ask: 183.95000, Bid-ask spread: 0.20000, Last trade: 183.95000, 24 hour volume: 111564.57755450, 24 hour low: 160.00000, 24 hour high: 194.90000, 24 hour vwap: 180.22433
assbot: [HAVELOCK:HIM] 1D: 1.81000000 / 1.89166667 / 1.93000000 (21 shares, 39.72500000 BTC), 7D: 1.81000000 / 1.89860673 / 2.05990000 (104 shares, 197.45510000 BTC), 30D: 1.41000000 / 1.85700427 / 2.08000000 (700 shares, 1299.90299230 BTC)
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.763 BTC [+]
gribble: MtGox lag is 93.631956 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.187637391468 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin ten times between Jupiter and Callisto (0.12567 AU).
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 184.00000, Best ask: 185.00000, Bid-ask spread: 1.00000, Last trade: 185.00000, 24 hour volume: 111564.57755450, 24 hour low: 160.00000, 24 hour high: 194.90000, 24 hour vwap: 180.22433
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 100 @ 0.00301846 = 0.3018 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK:HIM] 1D: 1.81000000 / 1.88975 / 1.93000000 (20 shares, 37.79500000 BTC), 7D: 1.81000000 / 1.89860673 / 2.05990000 (104 shares, 197.45510000 BTC), 30D: 1.41000000 / 1.85700427 / 2.08000000 (700 shares, 1299.90299230 BTC)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 7 @ 0.24 = 1.68 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 3 @ 1.81 = 5.43 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.C200T] 14 @ 0.14952605 = 2.0934 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 500 @ 0.01 = 5 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.24 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 1 @ 0.00418 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7945 BTC [+]
gribble: smickles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 days, 6 hours, 26 minutes, and 48 seconds ago: <smickles> a bitcoin atm could be the easiest way to send money to a friend, each of you just goes to an atm
bgupta: Hmmm. gotta try that just to see how smooth it is..
bgupta: talking about the transaction not the whisky.
unbalanced_: ThickAsThieves re: VTX I imagine it's because it stopped going up and some of the people who bought 10K worth noticed there were only a few dozen shares worth of bids over 0.20 BTC
unbalanced_: er by "10K worth" I mean the 10,000 shares offered at IPO
unbalanced_: no one buying post IPO to support the price
assbot: [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 108.7315223 / 142.65191654 / 172.70719171 (19154 shares, 4,736.51 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)
gribble: topace|2 was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 hours, 3 minutes, and 12 seconds ago: <topace|2> !ticker h him
bgupta: who is the admin for bitbet (on IRC)
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 186.49891, Best ask: 187.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.50109, Last trade: 187.00000, 24 hour volume: 112828.65816047, 24 hour low: 161.29378, 24 hour high: 194.90000, 24 hour vwap: 181.24809
gribble: MtGox lag is 0 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.0 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin ... nowhere, really (0 AU).
kakobrekla: i always suspect trading is halted, when i see 0 sec
ThickAsThieves: i'd say my wife is smart enough, but she's so far removed from bitcoin it would not be so simple
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.80999999 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 75 @ 0.00329 = 0.2468 BTC [+]
orkaa: ThickAsThieves: just create an onetime script that sells everything with a market order and transfers it to her bank account
benkay: are we talking about bail strategies?
benkay: i see you have all chosen where to make your beds on the lady-triangle
benkay: i went with pretty and smart
benkay: and you didn't get smart?
benkay: fast/cheap/good pick two in business
benkay: smart/pretty/sane pick two in women
gribble: Time since last block: 50 minutes and 2 seconds
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12250 @ 0.00065675 = 8.0452 BTC [-]
gribble: Current Blocks: 230349 | Current Difficulty: 7672999.920164138 | Next Difficulty At Block: 231839 | Next Difficulty In: 1490 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 10 hours, 19 minutes, and 44 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 8758402.77339 | Estimated Percent Change: 14.14574
orkaa: i've seen stupid+ugly+insane
benkay: talking about the optimization, friend.
kakobrekla: i was speaking about 349 being last block
benkay: and that, kakobrekla, is interesting.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 186.00001, Best ask: 186.84340, Bid-ask spread: 0.84339, Last trade: 187.00000, 24 hour volume: 113791.55742270, 24 hour low: 161.29378, 24 hour high: 194.90000, 24 hour vwap: 181.32145
punkman: "1. We have only just opened 2. We have no previous history 3. We are taking your money in Advance"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.23999999 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.78992 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.23999999 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.23999999 = 0.48 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.78993 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.7943 = 1.5886 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.7944 = 1.5888 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.7944 = 1.5888 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 4 @ 0.1019 = 0.4076 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.23999999 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK:VTX] 1D: 0.23999999 / 0.33127558 / 0.39000000 (217 shares, 71.88680004 BTC), 7D: 0.23999999 / 0.42829361 / 0.57499999 (1076 shares, 460.84391999 BTC), 30D: 0.23999999 / 0.4328512 / 0.79900000 (13612 shares, 5891.97053324 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3856 @ 0.00065705 = 2.5336 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 873 @ 0.00066211 = 0.578 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2707 @ 0.00066974 = 1.813 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.P140T] 718 @ 0.03241474 = 23.2738 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.2721 = 0.8163 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 7 @ 0.2721 = 1.9047 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.8000001 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.79397 = 1.5879 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.79399 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 0.794 = 3.97 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.21000001 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9493 @ 0.00066974 = 6.3578 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 4 @ 0.21 = 0.84 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 49 @ 0.00418 = 0.2048 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00276101 / 0.0029175 / 0.00301846 (7205 shares, 21.02 BTC), 7D: 0.00276101 / 0.00315343 / 0.00400173 (467223 shares, 1,473.36 BTC), 30D: 0.00276101 / 0.00364184 / 0.006 (1638027 shares, 5,965.44 BTC)
kakobrekla: Since October 2012, BTC market conditions changed, and our algorithm stop trading, pointing to hold BTCs as the most profit action to be taken. So we did this way,
kakobrekla: holding BTCs to avoid bad sell from our shareholders. This strategy now proved to be correct and to prize our algorithm. We proud of a very good work.
bgupta: umm a bitcoin trading company that just holds bitcoins that you could just as easily hold yourself?
mircea_popescu: About you trollers , all I have to say is: "clap clap clap clap ! ". May you get it and may it be penicillin resistant.
bgupta: So checking my math sdice has market cap of ~$55,000,000 AM $56,240,000 and bbet about $1,850,000?
bgupta: al seem pretty high, but I think that reflects an expectation of growth in usd/btc ratio.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.2721 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 4 @ 0.1019 = 0.4076 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0.00079521 / 0.00082831 / 0.00085021 (2492 shares, 2.06 BTC), 7D: 0.0007531 / 0.00083127 / 0.00195 (2520 shares, 2.09 BTC), 30D: 0.00050015 / 0.00189327 / 0.00201401 (79740 shares, 150.97 BTC)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 4 @ 0.2199999 = 0.88 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.22 = 0.66 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.2721 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18030 @ 0.00070061 = 12.632 BTC [+]
MJR_: woohoo everyone we just hit 200
MJR_: did you guys see ernie with his mind blown?
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 200.48000, Best ask: 200.50000, Bid-ask spread: 0.02000, Last trade: 200.40000, 24 hour volume: 97559.81266110, 24 hour low: 172.13000, 24 hour high: 197.48000, 24 hour vwap: 187.02354
rikur: now someone resolve it
gribble: There are currently 881.21269 bitcoins offered at or under 202.0 USD, worth 177205.166732 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0011 seconds
MJR_: the "bubble" is alive and well
MJR_: at what point do they cease seeing a bubble and start seeing a new price level?
MJR_: bitcoinity is the best channel on tv lol
MJR_: geez, not even a little time to pause and reflect on how far we've come...nope, on to 300 NAO
rikur: hey does the betting time get re-adjusted for the actual length of the bet?
rikur: I was Yes days ago
damientrog: yes the weight of your bet will be higher
jurov: uhh just missed it... anyone has bitcoinity screenshot?
rikur: I know, but since the weight was given against the Last of April, even last minute better get 50% weighted
rikur: It should be weighted: start -> end of bet
rikur: not start -> maximum lifetime of bet.
jurov: also, then bettors betting just before lifetime would get almost 0 weight
rikur: mircea_popescu: for example this mtgox bet, you get more information as price goes higher and it's less risky to bet yes
rikur: but the weight is relatively still high
jurov: lol some bitch weight is too small, others that it is too big
rikur: jurov: they would get their own money back and a tiny profit on top of that
rikur: huh your algo is not that smart then
MJR_: not a lot holding back from 235 right now...this is getting crazy
jurov: they will get their money minus house edge
bgupta: the bet was more yes folks than no folks through most of it's life
rikur: favors last minute bettors who
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1565 @ 0.00069716 = 1.0911 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19600 @ 0.00070096 = 13.7388 BTC [+]
gribble: There are currently 31615980 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 12659267.2931 USD in total. | Data vintage: 75.7371 seconds
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17150 @ 0.00070757 = 12.1348 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1085 @ 0.00070898 = 0.7692 BTC [+]
gribble: There are currently 7289.0965 bitcoins offered at or under 235.0 USD, worth 1564703.04003 USD in total. | Data vintage: 91.5550 seconds
rikur: jurov: when I bet Yes at around 160$, I was taking much higher risk than last minute 50 BTC bettor don't you agree?
jurov: it can fall as well as rise
bgupta: so we gonna get a rash of articles talking about 200 and 2 billion
rikur: lol, but the information the bets are placed has changed
mircea_popescu: rikur the fact that the information has changed may make the system inconvenient for oyu
bgupta: btw - kinda glad I lost that bet
bowjob: also, i won my fist bitbet
mircea_popescu: in order for it to be unfair it'd have to be unfair in general, not inconvenient to some case.
bgupta: the 140 bettors who bet yes can scrap over my 20 btc..
rikur: mircea_popescu: it is unfair in general whenever the bet can end before the max life time
rikur: late bettors gain leverage on more information
bowjob: there should be a rule on bitbet if people try to game the system by putting btc after the event stops
mircea_popescu: rikur they also incur the list on losing their capital
rikur: it is totally different to bet Yes with 10 BTC early on than 50 BTC on the last minute
bowjob: you should keep the btc
mircea_popescu: s not just totally different. its very risky to bet 10 at the last minute.
rikur: far less risky, you gotta admit that
jurov: rikur if you want the bet weight to reflect tmkt information, you're plainly using wrong instrument
jurov: trade options instad.
mircea_popescu: half the dividends came from people trying to leech the betpools by betting late.
joeykrim: can you link to last month's report? sounds like a good read
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 203.50001, Best ask: 203.75000, Bid-ask spread: 0.24999, Last trade: 203.99000, 24 hour volume: 103340.65692708, 24 hour low: 172.13000, 24 hour high: 205.00000, 24 hour vwap: 188.16600
rikur: so that's why you don't fix it
mircea_popescu: irt's not that "i don;'t fix it". it's that what you're proposing is not a fix, and what i have is.
jurov: so about 30btc was sent to expired addies???
mircea_popescu: it wasn't expired addies, it was more specifically : guy sees bet about to close, sends btc, doesn't make in before close.
rikur: so what happens if they don't make it
rikur: the rules are not based on any sane math
mircea_popescu: "Looking for someone to create/modify software for this forum [5500+ BTC] " << bitcointalk now has > 1mn dollars in software devbiounty
jurov: we just happen to have this "sinkhole in foyer, whatever falls in is kept" capitalism here
mircea_popescu: jurov it's incredibly efficient in encouraging people not to litter.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7749 BTC [+]
jurov: lol hehe... i'm considering to enact something like
jurov: oh i already am.. there's a guy who forgot both his coinbr username, password and email
jurov: and wasn't able to produce a btc addy even with hint
mircea_popescu: how do you know you're not being social engineered in a case like that ?
jurov: i don't know. hence, it will be kept by coinbr
rikur: mircea_popescu: I can't see this risky last minute bet mentioned on the site
rikur: and still, the weight should be re-calibrated in bets that end earlier
rikur: just my feed back as a paying customer :)
bgupta: new bet: will btc trade below 200.. ;)
jurov: or just for fun "bitcoin will fall below $2 in 2013"
jurov: although, even 1000% profit from such bet would be moot
taub: there's a ton of buying pressure
taub: ratio: 362.74 USD/BTC
taub: up from 290 during the breakout runup
taub: still working for me, the data stream at least
taub: lax is next to zero too
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 199.96722, Best ask: 200.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.03278, Last trade: 200.00000, 24 hour volume: 104305.48741673, 24 hour low: 172.13000, 24 hour high: 205.00000, 24 hour vwap: 188.36658
gribble: MtGox lag is 3.389127 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.00679177256144 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from Jupiter to its largest moon, Ganymede (0.007155 AU).
unbalanced_: I'm looking at bitcoincharts and at mpex.co: no bot quotes?
jurov: ic, bowjob is on it again :)
bowjob: shush. old habits die hard
bowjob: im trying to figure out this mining game
bowjob: "valueerror: need more than 1 value to unpack
bowjob: I registered on slush's pool. i inputted my worker bowjob.worker1 and put whatever password they supplied me
bowjob: then i click mine, and it doesnt seems to work
rikur: but yeah, not going to bit again on bets like this. unfair rules still, can't understand why you don't agree.
unbalanced_: How often do the bots sample the bitcoincharts 24hr vwap?
bgupta: bowjob, best to hit the slush irc channel…
unbalanced_: And how often does bitcoincharts update it? every 15min? hourly?
bowjob: im prepping for my avalon. didnt have too much time to think.
bowjob: i guess ill be spoiled with 4 btc a day
jurov: just my observation - bot refreshes somewhere between 5-20 minutes
bgupta: bitcoincharts is a bit flaky atm
jurov: and btcharts vwap seems to be updated continuously
jurov: if it's there, ofc.
bgupta: taub: what's that ratio?
jurov: but they warn that it shouldn't be fetched more often than every 15min.
unbalanced_: And when the bots have been blind for X minutes because of a b...charts api crapout, they go to n/a
jurov: instead of looking around for some cloud/cdn solution to distribute their api
unbalanced_: Do the the bots wait X minutes on an outage or do they go straight to n/a
unbalanced_: I remember reading something about stale info a week or two ago and am just trying to grok it now
jurov: why would they wait? it's risky
bgupta: well.. vwap moves kinda slowly...
jurov: iirc mp said they place orders with expiration date, they don't actively cancel them
taub: bgupta: all usd from the bid vs the coins on the ask
bowjob: lol. reall,y 57 BTC on NO
MJR_: i think it would be funny if one day all the sellers decided to list all their coins at $1010101...for 10 minutes, just to show people that they have to choose to sell
mircea_popescu: <jurov> iirc mp said they place orders with expiration date, they don't actively cancel them << this is correct.
MJR_: i am more worried about everyone choosing to just say, why bother selling at all...
mircea_popescu: if bot can't find pricing feed / is not sane it just doesn't quote, tries again.
jurov: can't you ask bitcoinity to provide alternative feed?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.26 = 2.6 BTC [-]
bgupta: mircea_popescu: Am I observing incorrectly that min/max and volume numbers go away if bots aren't playing?
jurov: i know but bitcoinity can make average vwap from these 4 biggest exchanges they have there
jurov: should be accurate enough for pricing at least, if not for exercises
bgupta: might be worth running ones own private vwap pricing service..
bgupta: I'd look at the uptime/downtime numbers of the public one that's used, and see how often it's offline
mircea_popescu: bgupta the entire idea is to separate data feeds and market
bgupta: so new seller wall at 205
mircea_popescu: the community has to get ity's collective useless ass in a bunch and make a working service.
bgupta: what's the revenue in running a pricing service?
bgupta: IE: seems a small amount of ad revenue at best.
jurov: while i'm at it, what price is used for exercises when btccharts isn't there?
bgupta: like bitcoincharts, which you use for vwap quotes..
MJR_: i was wondering about bitcoinity's business model...
mircea_popescu: otherwise, as far as websites go, thuis would be the highest traffic website in btc.
mircea_popescu: granted, a geek might not be mentally capable to turn something useful into something productive.
MJR_: i think that if you want to talk about eyeballs on a screen, bitcoinity has that...someone should create the CNBC of bitcoin, and basically just do a youtube channel talking about bitcoin related affairs with great market data in the ticker and sidebar.
jurov: MJR_ ur doing something too, no?
jurov: or just another exchange?
MJR_: I appreciate the little easter eggs, and i think people watch bitcoinity pretty religiously
MJR_: hopefully aggregation of data
MJR_: but bootstrapping process
mircea_popescu: tbh i think the model is very good as it is : bitcoinity for the crazed f5 mashing crowd, bitcoincharts for the more in depth universal minded minds.
bgupta: right my point is in this case, I sense that that a solid site could be built, and it would be useful, and get a lot of traffic, but there doesn't seem to be a market yet of folks iwlling to pay for a paywall service.. and ads can only bring in so much.
mircea_popescu: this should work on the long term, stratefgically speaking
MJR_: my plan is not to try and woo current customers but rather find a large pool of new customers, expanding the pie rather than redistributing it
MJR_: (you will redistribute it once you have a certain critical mass anyway)
MJR_: so eventually data services will be a part of that, but for now its trying to get the most bang for the buck
MJR_: I think if someone just read the top stories from reddit, and had a simple feed from this channel on a youtube program, while showing bitcoinity, bitcoincharts, clarkmoody, they could get ad revenue
MJR_: 1700 people on the subreddit now...
MJR_: bloomberg started small (i know most people can't believe that these monolithic huge corps were startups at one point)
mircea_popescu: MJR_ i kept trying to push people towards dfoing a blog, which is a subset of what you say but easier to do (for a geek)
bowjob: For this bet, I posted the exact same bet, i dont see my addy
bowjob: ... were there 2 bets?
MJR_: and it does take work and capital
mircea_popescu: people just want to dick around pressing f5 on some imaginary "getting rich" thing
MJR_: and right now everyone is waiting for everyone else to start the business that they can have as a customer, but they won't start it till they have the services they need
bowjob: aye, same exact lazy copypasta as mine
MJR_: bloomberg started with 10 mil and 22 terminals
mircea_popescu: MJR_ where "the services they need" = other people doing all the work so they can just repackage it and pretend to be apple./
MJR_: which may seem like a lot of cash, but it isn't really in the grand scheme of where they are now
MJR_: mircea_popescu: I agree, don't need repackagers, need people willing to work
mircea_popescu: other than people who code there doesn't really seem to be any group in the us with any sort of work ethic.
MJR_: only way is for someone to do what you did in other spaces
MJR_: become the foundation
MJR_: ugh, i don't mean like the bitcoin foundation
mircea_popescu: bowjob there were two bets, one had a zeroconf in it and was picked.
MJR_: i mean like a solid base for other people to build an economy around
bowjob: i assume the other guy put some btc in, thats why his got accepted
Olive6767: is this me or btc-e trades are not working currently?
mircea_popescu: which for whatever reasons is called zeroconf in bitbet internals
MJR_: we need job creators lol, 10 million --> 22.5 billion
bowjob: "Topic: I'm calling the top here @ $23.98961"
bowjob: john banned him, aw sucks
MJR_: that was a hilarious thread
MJR_: each new round number in big funny fonts
bowjob: it used to be him trolling, then I turned the thread about cats... then somehow it tured out to be an ATH thread
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: do you still believe BTC is not worth 130+?
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.C185T] 10 @ 0.21192633 = 2.1193 BTC [+]
bgupta: taub: wondering if that ratio thing is a red herring.. and just a natural result of what happens when price goes up.. IE: people don't set out to sell a fixed number of coins, but rather they are selling to raise a certain amount of fiat to pay for bills/toys.. and in btc terms those keep getting cheaper as btc rallies.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: so time in bitcoin is accelerated 1000x to real life?
bgupta: yeah.. but the crossing of the threshold.. over 2 billion.. blah
taub: bgupta: i haven't found out any correlation yet, but it's cute to look at
unbalanced_: I completely agree about finding people willing to Do The Work.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00070898 = 9.5712 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 204.50000, Best ask: 204.60000, Bid-ask spread: 0.10000, Last trade: 204.60000, 24 hour volume: 106092.82752189, 24 hour low: 172.13000, 24 hour high: 207.00000, 24 hour vwap: 188.99308
bowjob: woo. almost my cakeday
bowjob: 21 years of doing absolutely jack shit.
bowjob: nah. i had this classmate knock a girl up when he was in hs. he's not so free these days
bowjob: and i hate babies. all they do is shit around
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.266 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.265 = 0.53 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 6 @ 0.261 = 1.566 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.26000011 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.2600001 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 4 @ 0.26 = 1.04 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.25982367 = 0.5196 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.245 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.24 = 0.72 BTC [-]
bowjob: VTX.. what are you doing
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.261 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.26 = 1.3 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.258101 = 0.5162 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.25810002 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 9 @ 0.258 = 2.322 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.258 = 0.774 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.2566 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 35 @ 0.251 = 8.785 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.25 = 0.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.25 = 2.5 BTC [-]
Insaneatyou: asciilifeform hey, I would love to work with BTC but I am poor. MP said I should talk to you
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.00302126 = 1.5106 BTC [-]
Insaneatyou: asciilifeform: My skills are not in programming
Insaneatyou: but I'd like to pointout, i already mentioned this to MP
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 7 @ 0.25 = 1.75 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 700 @ 0.00302126 = 2.1149 BTC [-]
Insaneatyou: I hate people but make a fair to middling salesman
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1700 @ 0.00068902 = 1.1713 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6100 @ 0.00068626 = 4.1862 BTC [-]
Insaneatyou: I'm apparently the worst at selling myself
Insaneatyou: but to be honest, I'm looking to study Economics, that's my area of interest
mircea_popescu: best at solving complex problems but no math skills !? how exactly does this work ?
Insaneatyou: My plan was to load up after the price drops from it's highs
Insaneatyou: I did much math before, but haven't used it in a while, i also used to code some
mircea_popescu: "Finding a date and/or a job while completely convinced you are a worthless piece of garbage... how do you do it?"
mircea_popescu: i like people who know they're worthless pieces of garage.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 206.01001, Best ask: 206.29959, Bid-ask spread: 0.28958, Last trade: 206.29959, 24 hour volume: 103646.77817016, 24 hour low: 172.13000, 24 hour high: 207.00000, 24 hour vwap: 189.53950
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what happened to love you dark van gogh spirit you
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.22 BTC [-]
Insaneatyou: To be honest, i dont have any examples. If you have a problem, hit me with it. I'll give it a shot
Bugpowder: remove the "looking to" from this sentence. "but to be honest, I'm looking to study Economics, that's my area of interest"
mircea_popescu: "I feel like I can't talk to anyone, because my own problems are stupid and insignificant, because I am stupid and insignificant."
Bugpowder: I recommend watching clark moody with the sound up loud
Bugpowder: and cursing yourself for not having enough coins
mircea_popescu: "i feel like im dying, or maybe dead. in incredible agony now."
Insaneatyou: asciilifeform - ah, yes, i hadn't quite realized that you could do that. It's an unregulated marekt
mircea_popescu: Insaneatyou you can do that in the regulated market too.
bowjob: someone posted a topic that they;ll invest 100k in btc
bowjob: this is from a gaming forum
saulimus: great, thanks to him the price rises
Bugpowder: Sad that they will have less than 500 BTC
Bugpowder: Insaneatyou: how old are you? seriously.
Bugpowder: ok, well you have got a shitload of reading to do about economics and markets
Bugpowder: although bitcoin is a great place to lear
MJR_: who would make anything illegal?
MJR_: also, bots are legal in every financial market as of right now
Bugpowder: but the best lessons occur when you lose all your money
Insaneatyou: MJR_ in a regulated market in fiat I thought writing bots to trade for you was illegal
Bugpowder: Insaneatyou: 90% of the trades on exchanges are bots trading with each other.
Insaneatyou: asciilifeform i've read Satoshi's paper, but i see the point.
Insaneatyou: Bugpowder yah, now i realise it's just expensive
Bugpowder: your best chance of getting coins is to buy a put, and pray bitcoins crash to $5.
bowjob: the 200 BTC bet isnt paid out yet eh?
Insaneatyou: asciilifeform one quick question - "great scams in the fora"?
unbalanced_: I read forums for 2 years before piping up here and (as people here can verify) I'm still pretty much a bitcoin idiot.
Insaneatyou: Bugpowder sounds like a quick way to lose my ass
unbalanced_: To understand the many ways you can lose money with Bitcoin... I could write a book
bowjob: so mp, any reason why bitbet hasnt paid out yet
Bugpowder: Why try to learn when you already know how to solve complex problems?
bowjob: or kako/satoshi/god ect does that
unbalanced_: I should try that, not be me... it worked for George Costanza.
pigeons: this is the internet, no males here
mircea_popescu: bowjob probably there were some fags or communists among the beneficiaries and we have to scrub the lists
unbalanced_: Self deprecation <> depression. I'm just trying to be polite.
bowjob: ah i see isee. take your time
bowjob: maybe add a rule that if they try to game the system after an event occurs, the btc shall be kept and distributed to shareholders
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 8 @ 0.25 = 2 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 900 @ 0.00302126 = 2.7191 BTC [-]
unbalanced_: Insaneatyou: Google is your friend... try typing "bitcoin forum" over there.
bgupta: (SOrry took a while to find a non paywall version of article)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.202 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.2012 = 0.4024 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 20 @ 0.20100001 = 4.02 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 4 @ 0.201 = 0.804 BTC [-]
bowjob: "Do not send BTC after betting has closed. Any BTC sent to addresses allocated to a bet after betting has closed will be kept by BitBet and distributed to shareholders as dividends. "
bowjob: you think they;d realize that there'd be no divs before pouring BTC in
bowjob: or maybe they realized, just hoping others would buy it via greater fool theory
bowjob: it doesnt relaly hurt virtex
bowjob: since they got th emoney already, their 300k
bowjob: well, the market decides
bowjob: its 219 per coin last time i checked
bowjob: and 3% fee, going down if you trade more
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.77489 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7749 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 5103 @ 0.00302126 = 15.4175 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 51 @ 0.25 = 12.75 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 17 @ 0.003 = 0.051 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 17 @ 0.003 = 0.051 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 400 @ 0.00286 = 1.144 BTC [-]
bowjob: aight. who got squeezed by virtex here
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 59 @ 0.002856 = 0.1685 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 71 @ 0.002855 = 0.2027 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 30 @ 0.00285 = 0.0855 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 4 @ 0.00284 = 0.0114 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1500 @ 0.002801 = 4.2015 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 18 @ 0.0028 = 0.0504 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1000 @ 0.0028 = 2.8 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 28 @ 0.25 = 7 BTC [-]
bowjob: the fiat value of vtx shares is $44.. still good
bowjob: from its 30 dollar ipo value
ThickAsThieves: Signs that you know you made a bad btc deal,1. You start rationalizing in fiat
bowjob: I did not touch VTX lol, im not crying.
bowjob: they will start issuing dividends q3
bowjob: i didnt see that in the prospectus
ThickAsThieves: the prosp merely says, IF we start issuing divs, we'll give you some
gribble: MtGox lag is 0.573548 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.00114938377024 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin to the other side of the Earth, along the surface (0.0001339 AU).
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 206.62620, Best ask: 206.80000, Bid-ask spread: 0.17380, Last trade: 206.80000, 24 hour volume: 105756.02146466, 24 hour low: 172.13000, 24 hour high: 210.00000, 24 hour vwap: 190.26993
bowjob: I wonder how many people sent BTC in after the bet closed
bowjob: on the 200 BTC in april bet
bowjob: ive seen a few, not sure how much in btc
bowjob: its gonna be juicy divs
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.25 = 1 BTC [-]
bowjob: it used to be refunded so that rule must be there
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 18 @ 0.25 = 4.5 BTC [-]
bowjob: aye, i see the btc from bitbet. thx a bunch
Scrat: ThickAsThieves: it's up
Scrat: Free. Open Source. $ 6,485,491,563.34 Successfully Transacted.
Scrat: inb4 government takedown
Scrat: "nevermind me, im just a 1man operation that has moved $6 billion"
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 1 @ 0.000648 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 1 @ 0.000607 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: what they seem to not think too much about is that the more oil you find, the larger an army you need.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 206.40000, Best ask: 207.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.60000, Last trade: 207.00000, 24 hour volume: 105765.49944185, 24 hour low: 172.13000, 24 hour high: 210.00000, 24 hour vwap: 190.28382
pigeons: gingis khan, the red-headed, gum-diseased conqueror
deadweasel: lol mircea_popescu ... you tried the ipad version? civ revolution. only game i can play.
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 8989778.42737 based on data since last change | 8887140.87338 based on data for last three days
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14800 @ 0.00068531 = 10.1426 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 900 @ 0.00068516 = 0.6166 BTC [-]
deyyo: diablo 3 was a fail game of the year
imsaguy: <mircea_popescu> then get owned by gingis khan << that's why you play as Victoria and build a bunch of archers
imsaguy: shoot the bastages in the eye!
imsaguy: mircea_popescu, because everyone knows you don't expose your archers
imsaguy: what good is a defender that can get knocked down with a rock if fully exposed?
imsaguy: meanwhile, I wait for the bubble to pop and nobody stickign around to try to catch the bathwater
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 1 @ 0.20001 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LTC-MINING] 1 @ 0.24001 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LTC-MINING] 2 @ 0.24 = 0.48 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [SYNERGY] 1 @ 0.00651 BTC [-]
gribble: There are currently 35778.387 bitcoins offered at or under 9999999999.0 USD, worth 14046355227.6 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0017 seconds
gribble: There are currently 32306655 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 13562707.0394 USD in total. | Data vintage: 2.2427 seconds
gribble: MtGox lag is 60.400741 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.121042408684 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin ten times between Jupiter and Callisto (0.12567 AU).
gribble: There are currently 1210.0012 bitcoins offered at or under 210.0 USD, worth 254025.162912 USD in total. | Data vintage: 104.2441 seconds
gribble: There are currently 2304.5749 bitcoins offered at or under 215.0 USD, worth 487074.216038 USD in total. | Data vintage: 119.9149 seconds
gribble: There are currently 3598.1747 bitcoins offered at or under 220.0 USD, worth 768176.646754 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0011 seconds
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 6 @ 0.12 = 0.72 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.1195 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 5 @ 0.1192 = 0.596 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 5 @ 0.1191 = 0.5955 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.119 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 70 @ 0.118 = 8.26 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 13 @ 0.11712 = 1.5226 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 20 @ 0.11711 = 2.3422 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 360 @ 0.001033 = 0.3719 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.C158T] 10 @ 0.30600383 = 3.06 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.C161T] 5 @ 0.2946322 = 1.4732 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.C170T] 5 @ 0.26251706 = 1.3126 BTC
gribble: Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.C164T] 5 @ 0.28359474 = 1.418 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LTC-MINING] 2 @ 0.24 = 0.48 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.C167T] 5 @ 0.27289023 = 1.3645 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.C173T] 10 @ 0.25247337 = 2.5247 BTC
gribble: There are currently 4830.2361 bitcoins offered at or under 231.39 USD, worth 1057565.65945 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0011 seconds
gribble: There are currently 8423.8545 bitcoins offered at or under 250.0 USD, worth 1934423.80375 USD in total. | Data vintage: 13.8790 seconds
gribble: There are currently 32316727 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 13548257.8426 USD in total. | Data vintage: 25.9812 seconds
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 2 @ 0.00103 = 0.0021 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 13 @ 0.00102 = 0.0133 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 10 @ 0.001 = 0.01 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 1 @ 0.001 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5240 @ 0.00068516 = 3.5902 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 210.00000, Best ask: 210.44622, Bid-ask spread: 0.44622, Last trade: 210.44622, 24 hour volume: 106279.45771713, 24 hour low: 172.13000, 24 hour high: 210.00000, 24 hour vwap: 190.68842
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.C200T] 400 @ 0.17758558 = 71.0342 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 6 @ 0.201 = 1.206 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 5 @ 0.000648 = 0.0032 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.C200T] 50 @ 0.17758558 = 8.8793 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 57 @ 0.000649 = 0.037 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 28 @ 0.000655 = 0.0183 BTC [+]
taub: bitbet betters are pretty small-time huh
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.20061111 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 8 @ 0.20061111 = 1.6049 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: afaik plenty of places even in vegas will turn down a 15k bet.
taub: well they arent p2p
taub: they offer fixed odds
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.20061111 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 18 @ 0.21 = 3.78 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.C200T] 50 @ 0.17758558 = 8.8793 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 4 @ 0.20011 = 0.8004 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.2001 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 5 @ 0.2 = 1 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 7 @ 0.2 = 1.4 BTC [-]
taub: yea me too, i mean unless it's a betting exchange, the cointerparty is the house
taub: so of course they limit their size
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.C200T] 34 @ 0.17758558 = 6.0379 BTC [+]
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: ^OIX 1 day: no data 7 day: average: 147.08078325 high: 181.60130255 low: 110.64241833 volume: 19536 btc: 4621.81435971 30 day: no data
mpexbot: taub: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 35 @ 0.00361 = 0.1264 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 2 @ 0.0036 = 0.0072 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 12 @ 0.003301 = 0.0396 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 1000 @ 0.0033 = 3.3 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 90 @ 0.00321 = 0.2889 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 760 @ 0.0032 = 2.432 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 100 @ 0.004 = 0.4 BTC [+]
gribble: There are currently 33781.073 bitcoins offered at or under 99999999.0 USD, worth 432570432.615 USD in total. | Data vintage: 84.5329 seconds
gribble: There are currently 32087038 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 13163031.4903 USD in total. | Data vintage: 87.4622 seconds
gribble: There are currently 4794.2223 bitcoins offered at or under 240.0 USD, worth 1076900.03865 USD in total. | Data vintage: 107.5441 seconds
Bugpowder: I don't have any more capital out of deep storage
Bugpowder: I shot my wad at the beginning of the month
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.00280001 = 1.4 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1500 @ 0.0028 = 4.2 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.00270004 = 1.35 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00270003 = 2.7 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3 @ 0.00270002 = 0.0081 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 100 @ 0.00270001 = 0.27 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 39397 @ 0.0027 = 106.3719 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: oh man I lost so much money on seals
Namworld: yeah... I lost over 10 grand apparently
Bugpowder: I think I must have lost $10,000 in one hand against him
Namworld: next year it's gonna be >30 million for you
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 100 @ 0.0028 = 0.28 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 10 @ 0.00279 = 0.0279 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 34 @ 0.002781 = 0.0946 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: Where are the big time holders of coins
Namworld: I guess the occasional dip is it...
KRS-1: every day i look at the market figures i have to rub my eyes..doesnt make sense, thought it would have leveled out or dropped to an equilibrium
Namworld: Maybe there's just a lot more BTC lost forever than we thought...
Bugpowder: we really need to revisit that blockchain analysis of dormant coin.
ThickAsThieves: remember how we had those big walls before 50, 80, 100
ezdiy: Bugpowder: only miners are selling imo :)
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 214.08541, Best ask: 214.38000, Bid-ask spread: 0.29459, Last trade: 214.38000, 24 hour volume: 107810.14057364, 24 hour low: 172.13000, 24 hour high: 214.00000, 24 hour vwap: 191.10771
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 43 @ 0.2 = 8.6 BTC [-]
gribble: There are currently 6178.7618 bitcoins offered at or under 240.0 USD, worth 1383401.83525 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0010 seconds
gribble: There are currently 32307537 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 13144217.9744 USD in total. | Data vintage: 5.3656 seconds
Bugpowder: all this buying, and yet the bids continue to increase in values
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 103 @ 0.2 = 20.6 BTC [-]
ezdiy: that'd put bitcoin at $3 :)
gribble: A market order to sell 100000 bitcoins right now would net 11219765.0124 USD and would take the last price down to 36.0100 USD, resulting in an average price of 112.1977 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 92.7004 seconds
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 6 @ 0.21 = 1.26 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: the thing is, if you are a big holder, youre better off selling in chunks
Bugpowder: looks like old coins are moving now..
KRS-1: ezdiy: thats lower than litecoin at the moment
ezdiy: ThickAsThieves: just following the logic there are X billion of people on earth, so bitcoin must be sure worth Y
ezdiy: ThickAsThieves: by that logic, each coin would be worth $3 now :)
Bugpowder: Bitcoin days destroyed for any given transaction is calculated by taking the number of Bitcoins in a transaction and multiplying it by the number of days it has been since those coins were last spent.
kakobrekla: the problem is its not volume weighted
KRS-1: $3 is lower than litcoin-> sell and buy ltc now
taub: time to dump yo stash Bugpowder
ezdiy: KRS-1: i think there are 11m litecoins too or something like that
ezdiy: given that those are generated 4 times faster
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6025 @ 0.00068861 = 4.1489 BTC [+]
MJR_: has anyone looked at herbalife?
MJR_: that is the point of torbroker
MJR_: oh i think they are a huge scam
MJR_: but inside info is inside info
gribble: MtGox lag is 156.627681 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.313880119033 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin approximately the distance covered by Voyager 1 in one month (0.2988 AU).
mircea_popescu: i looked at herbalife once when this stunning but obviously famished chick was trying to serll it door to door
taub: hold on to your hats
MJR_: mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: fed the girl, discarded the crap, everyone happy ever after.
MJR_: hehehe, that is the right approach
ThickAsThieves: this lag is taking us upward methinks, rather than the usuall downward
jcpham: there's no where to go but up
jcpham: surely you guys have caught on by now
gribble: There are currently 7660.0099 bitcoins offered at or under 250.0 USD, worth 1787629.91563 USD in total. | Data vintage: 107.2681 seconds
gribble: There are currently 3650.8952 bitcoins offered at or under 230.0 USD, worth 813546.641479 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0009 seconds
MJR_: interesting statistic though
MJR_: because if they are dumping bad...if they are not hoarding good...so which will it be?
Bugpowder: well, seeing as the price is still going up and they are selling some coin off, I think its great
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.7 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 218.37900, Best ask: 218.38000, Bid-ask spread: 0.00100, Last trade: 218.38000, 24 hour volume: 107587.39057991, 24 hour low: 172.13000, 24 hour high: 218.37999, 24 hour vwap: 191.81253
gribble: Current Blocks: 230474 | Current Difficulty: 7672999.920164138 | Next Difficulty At Block: 231839 | Next Difficulty In: 1365 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 19 hours, 11 minutes, and 59 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 8983388.21622 | Estimated Percent Change: 17.07791
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10125 @ 0.00068861 = 6.9722 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9965 @ 0.00070898 = 7.065 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6760 @ 0.00071145 = 4.8094 BTC [+]
taub: dont you love it when the data craps out
kakobrekla: we will be CPU mining soon at this rate
Bugpowder: yeah, I might turn the miner back on
Bugpowder: I liked getting woken up to bitcoinity playing a video, and then a message that the next funny gif would be revealed at $1000.
taub: 6.00 5 minutes ago 218.38
taub: i think mtgox is just manipulating price or is using the lag/pause to their advantages to front run etc
Bugpowder: should I roll the calls over to 400s
taub: haha dont be too giddy
jcpham: none of this make sense anymore
jcpham: btw mircea_popescu we're over 300k now in failed btc loans
Namworld: gox lag has been going for so long without being fixed it's fishy...
MJR_: euphoria is beginning to set in
jcpham: more than car, less than house is now more than a house
MJR_: just as bad as panic
jcpham: i mean you guys can't determine if there ar 6 of us scrambling like monkeys trading
jcpham: the entity you knows as "jcpham"
ThickAsThieves: i assume jurov will need a day or two to add these new options to coinbr?
jurov: stfu. just came and looking on'em
MJR_: i wonder what percent of options expire worthless
MJR_: "IRL" 90% of options expire worthless
jurov: ThickAsThieves do tell me, why do you think it takes day or two?
jurov: O.o even if i hand-inputted sql statement for every mpsic, it would be less than a day
ThickAsThieves: word, i thought it was pretty easy, wasnt trying to insult or anything
jurov: oh sry i sounded out harsher than i meant to
jurov: no hard feelings, i was just wtf?
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 218.39000, Best ask: 218.95000, Bid-ask spread: 0.56000, Last trade: 218.39000, 24 hour volume: 107667.08430243, 24 hour low: 172.13000, 24 hour high: 218.38000, 24 hour vwap: 191.89077
mircea_popescu: jcpham this reminds me of the time george costanza + seinfeld decided they need like 3 of them to make up a guy enouygh to mate.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7749 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: i wonder why they are waiting that many days to change it
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 12 @ 0.775 = 9.3 BTC [+]
MJR_: mircea_popescu: quick question about DDOS, do you think an EC2 instance is prone to hardware failure in the networking aspect (it is easy to just bring up new instances of the server, but you had said the router is the point of failure)
mircea_popescu: well it was one of the things people said they liked,.
mircea_popescu: MJR_ if you only expose it through their load balancer should be fine in most cases.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 0.7798 = 3.1192 BTC [+]
Scrat: dont you get to pay the (rather large) bill if you get ddos'ed on ec2?
Scrat: on outgoing traffic obviously
MJR_: mircea_popescu: that is what i was thinking, building out infrastructure now, and that came up...i'm a big fan of having instances running and waiting to be failed over to. Last design issue I wanted to think about is an "airgap" solution for something that is in the cloud...
MJR_: Scrat: DDOS is inbound
MJR_: Scrat: so as long as you don't respond to spam, you should be fine
MJR_: Scrat: but you will incur more costs as you bring up more servers to handle the CPU side of the DDOS, I was mostly worried about the network hardware side
jurov: All added to coinbr.
Scrat: MJR_: a smart attack targetted against ec2 would pull static assets with legit looking requests
MJR_: Scrat: i think btctc.co had an implementation to stop that, force a 3 second + redirect to the actual resource
MJR_: Scrat: or just only allow a certain number of logins per hour per account
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.C272T] 5 @ 0.06780302 = 0.339 BTC
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 217.00000, Best ask: 218.50000, Bid-ask spread: 1.50000, Last trade: 217.00000, 24 hour volume: 107667.08430243, 24 hour low: 172.13000, 24 hour high: 218.38000, 24 hour vwap: 191.89077
MJR_: Scrat: a million ways to deal with traffic, as long as your router doesn't blow up
MJR_: but forcing them to blow up all of amazon in order to stop you is quite a barrier to entry
Scrat: MJR_: yeah I'm not saying otherwise, but in that case the objective of the attacker is to slap you with a $100k ec2 bill
MJR_: Scrat: I need to do more research, but it is outgoing that will run up the bill...you can throttle that based on a bunch of heuristics
Scrat: MJR_: it is, incoming traffic is free
MJR_: no legit user needs more than 1000 logins per hour...and you only allow legit traffic to pull the resource heavy outgoing data
Scrat: don't need a session id to access say logo and css
jurov: MJR_, Scrat: I also have request limiter set up, caused regular users to get 503 error till i tuned it up
MJR_: obviously, you can stop non-legit users from creating accounts by having a funding requirement of 1btc etc...too costly to create the accounts, and why would you want to put all your coins into the hands of the guy you're attacking
MJR_: filtering legit users from spam is a lot easier than trying to stop traffic before it hits the router (actually impossible, it'll always hit SOME network device that you need)
taub: cant be dealing with this laggy exchange
gribble: MtGox lag is 198.983512 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.398760730118 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from the Sun to Mercury (0.39 AU).
Scrat: taub: quantify sold
taub: well worse than the time lag is the fact that no data stream is working no way to see the order book and trades
Scrat: ThickAsThieves: whenever there's a rally payments stop :'(
Bugpowder: just cashed a bit more on fastcash
kakobrekla: dunno im guessing it will show up by itself
Bugpowder: should have locked it and waited to see if there was a dip
kakobrekla: ill see whats up with that if it doesnt
kakobrekla: whats the point of the 1mo chart now anyway
Bugpowder: where is the cancel button on Bitcoin-QT/
mircea_popescu: not out of need, but since data should have been plotting and isn't i thought worth the mention
Bugpowder: they pay under market, but its fast and easy and run by someone with a clue.
gribble: MtGox lag is 327.08457 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.655473816059 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from the Sun to Venus (0.72 AU).
kakobrekla: yeah its true mircea_popescu, something is acting up
punkman: "Bitcoin is a tax on people who are bad at Byzantine fault tolerance."
jurov: and i thought it will abandon the parabolic(or even exponential) rise.. not yet
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.C296T] 100 @ 0.05114951 = 5.115 BTC
pgp: that gox press release was just as I suspected... doing some sort of recursive credit check for unfunded orders...
taub: >Greece is considering slapping a .162 billion invoice on Germany as compensation for the Second World War.
Scrat: pgp: I doubt thats the culprit. that would allow anyone to turn captchas into gox lag
Scrat: surprisingly stupid
Namworld: Do you have funds to fund the order? Yes. Do you have funds to fund the funds to fund the order? Yes. Repeat process 1 billion time on each order.
mircea_popescu: just have a process move order to active when funds clear
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.775 BTC [-]
Namworld: lag is not how it's supposed to work either. They must be doing something wrong somewhere...
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.7605 = 1.521 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: then again considering the string of insanities sturles was sprouting the other day, it wouldn't surprise me if they run it like that.
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.C194T] 9 @ 0.20098104 = 1.8088 BTC
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7601 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.76 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.75902 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.75901 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.75501 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 0.755 = 3.775 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 7 @ 0.753 = 5.271 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.751 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.751 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 15 @ 0.7503 = 11.2545 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 7 @ 0.75 = 5.25 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.74002 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 12 @ 0.74001 = 8.8801 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.740003 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 25 @ 0.740001 = 18.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.7391 = 1.4782 BTC [-]
gribble: There are currently 32321686 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 14630014.4001 USD in total. | Data vintage: 57.1659 seconds
Bugpowder: I think the number needs to go up to support the current price though
Scrat: that's the same 12 million amplified by the new exchange value
pgp: let's say that I have funded buys and sell in gox and unfunded buys and sell, doesn't an execution on one side force them to check all the orders on the other side for same person?
pgp: not really recursive, but a shitload required checking with every order and execution...
assbot: [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 110.64241833 / 147.74091471 / 182.77959828 (19650 shares, 4,629.08 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)
jurov: accrding to oix, practically all calls are deep in the money... feels sorry for bondholders
jurov: seems i can completely close MPBPT :(
pgp: question: with fastcash4bitcoins.com, isn't there an arb on that 15 min window when volatility is high? kinda like a free put?
mircea_popescu: keep a process on the clearing side, just move things in the active bnook as funds clear
jurov: mircea_popescu: as a representative of bondholders i request you to increase price on calls
pgp: mp: I agree they shouldn't, but if their system is built around the idea of allowing unfunded order to be promoted to funded orders, that would occur no just when money comed in or out, but for those making two sided markets as well...
mircea_popescu: pgp i still don't see what changes. when money comes in order is moved into active.
Bugpowder: pgp yes, though during high volatility the price gap increases
pgp: i see - you've tried, then?
mircea_popescu: why not do something useful, rather than try and squeeze pennies out of a service
pgp: I don't... just was reading their t&c's...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.25 = 0.5 BTC [-]
jurov: ;;calc 215/(1-0.087)
jurov: ^ mircea_popescu, but im serious. C215T may be in the money tomorrow as it looks
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.C248T] 100 @ 0.10431071 = 10.4311 BTC
gribble: There are currently 32320610 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 16067341.6473 USD in total. | Data vintage: 53.9271 seconds
jurov: MPOE is exposing itself to undue risk, don't you think?
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.P200T] 1000 @ 0.15267922 = 152.6792 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.C215T] 30 @ 0.15955155 = 4.7865 BTC
pgp: mp: regardng gox. If I have a funded buy order and an unfunded sell order for same amount and yet another unfunded buy order unde my funded buy order, then when first buy order gets triggered then sell order now becomes funded, no? and when sell gets executed the second buy order now become funded....
mircea_popescu: jurov the risk is this : if price goes up, short calls lose money. if price goes down, they make money.
jurov: how many short calls are there, not many i daresay.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 222.50000, Best ask: 223.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.50000, Last trade: 223.00000, 24 hour volume: 111105.23170259, 24 hour low: 172.13000, 24 hour high: 223.76000, 24 hour vwap: 194.02951
pgp: mp: agreed gox is retarded - i'll bet that there system does funding check on every execution - it explains a lot and is consistent with their press release...
mircea_popescu: this is what you get when geeks get involved in software design.
pgp: an alternative explanation is that they run their matching engine on a commodore 64
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.C248T] 10 @ 0.10489348 = 1.0489 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 222.50000, Best ask: 223.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.50000, Last trade: 223.00000, 24 hour volume: 111105.23170259, 24 hour low: 172.13000, 24 hour high: 223.76000, 24 hour vwap: 194.02951
assbot: [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 110.64241833 / 148.3968512 / 183.81305704 (19790 shares, 4,645.34 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 1.548 = 3.096 BTC [-]
jurov: <mircea_popescu> jurov all calls the bot sells are short to the bot. <<< and thus to bondholders
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29349 @ 0.00069022 = 20.2573 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00070222 = 7.1626 BTC [+]
jurov: i mean, isn't it so unreasonable to assume March will possibly repeat, and do valuation adjustment?
jurov: what you're assuming then?
mircea_popescu: if we knew wtf is ghoing on we wouldn't need optioons in the fuirst place
jurov: two months in a row loss for MPOE bonds will cause having to cover them all yourself, can't we at least assume that as a baseline?
jurov: or are you sure this is very unlikely?
mircea_popescu: what are you so aggitated about anyway, the oix is half puts
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.779 = 1.558 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 1 @ 0.2 BTC [-]
jurov: i'm agitated about the call part of oix :)
ThickAsThieves: jurov, it seems you are questioning mp for bonds you bought knowing the same trend already
mircea_popescu: ya but if you think about it, if options sold are half put half call by volume... what's gonna happen ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 10 @ 1.54 = 15.4 BTC [-]
bgupta: and remember because it's $ profits as calls move more and more into the money they have a built in profit limiter.
jurov: i didn't put much into bonds myself. but i'm being MPBPT operator here
jurov: and MPBPT May is not selling at all
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.P200T] 1000 @ 0.15160246 = 151.6025 BTC [-]
Namworld: the premium asked by the bot is already MUCH larger
jurov: options sold are half put half call by volume, really? then it's okay, should have researched it before freaking out.
gribble: There are currently 32320703 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 15982219.3621 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0107 seconds
AndroUser2: Freaking out will only lead to impedements ;
gribble: There are currently 33949.898 bitcoins offered at or under 99999999999.0 USD, worth 124147627774.0 USD in total. | Data vintage: 56.7975 seconds
jcpham: someone lit the fuse on the rocket a few weeks back
jcpham: i think it has 2 months of fuel left at least
ChaangNoi: its just now going into hyperdrive
taub: 225 getting interesting
jcpham: 500 tomorrow would be epicly interesting
jcpham: but that's more like next week
gribble: There are currently 32320982 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 15996422.2562 USD in total. | Data vintage: 12.3289 seconds
jcpham: the market cap did just double in about 9 days
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 224.00000, Best ask: 224.48980, Bid-ask spread: 0.48980, Last trade: 224.48980, 24 hour volume: 109285.52746947, 24 hour low: 172.13000, 24 hour high: 224.70000, 24 hour vwap: 195.30955
jcpham: if no one was paying attention
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 224.00000, Best ask: 224.48980, Bid-ask spread: 0.48980, Last trade: 224.48980, 24 hour volume: 109285.52746947, 24 hour low: 172.13000, 24 hour high: 224.70000, 24 hour vwap: 195.30955
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2000 @ 0.0007035 = 1.407 BTC [+]
ChaangNoi: and 500 is too much, over 1005 jump could happen but it would take a while to get a new ath
gribble: There are currently 5912.9431 bitcoins offered at or under 250.0 USD, worth 1410255.58397 USD in total. | Data vintage: 69.2906 seconds
gribble: Error: "aks" is not a valid command.
gribble: There are currently 20728.936 bitcoins demanded at or over 200.0 USD, worth 4370048.45664 USD in total. | Data vintage: 85.1904 seconds
gribble: There are currently 16400.756 bitcoins offered at or under 500.0 USD, worth 4935155.15891 USD in total. | Data vintage: 90.9606 seconds
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.C047T] 4 @ 0.76327969 = 3.0531 BTC [+]
jurov: not yet, i just sent some deposits over to mpex
Namworld: I wonder when we'll be at the "IT'S OVER 9000!!!" point... with everyone repeating that of course.
taub: Until recently, anyone could place a buy or sell order for Bitcoin, regardless of how much funds were actually available in their wallet, resulting in an order showing a "Not enough funds" error status in the Open Orders list.
taub: Starting on April 17th, this counter productive scenario will no longer be possible and will be automatically rejected before validating your order; until you have enough funds in your wallet to match the order value.
Namworld: Certainly not during this rally
ChaangNoi: how are my calls looking 218 and im in the money, fuck yeah
taub: that's whats causing the lag
ChaangNoi: and we still ahve weeks to go, lol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.53000001 BTC [-]
jurov: btw if someone is funding coinbr with large sum and i'm around, ask me for direct deposit to mpex
Namworld: If I had been putting ALL my money in calls each month since the beggining I'd probably have like 20k BTC by now or something >.>
Namworld: Which is exactly why I didn't buy...
Namworld: of course if people knew it wasn't going to crash during the month, people would buy more of them
mircea_popescu: whatever happened to that dude was going to short mpoe last ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 24 @ 0.21 = 5.04 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.C212N] 4 @ 0.39140833 = 1.5656 BTC
gribble: MtGox lag is 121.32087 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.243125665104 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin between Earth and Venus at their closest approach (0.254 AU).
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.2222225 = 0.8889 BTC [-]
AndroUser2: taub, mtgox is changing their order system on the 17th?
jcpham: anyone shorting anything in bitcoinland is probably burned
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.C320N] 1 @ 0.24445838 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.2222 = 0.6666 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 6 @ 0.2222 = 1.3332 BTC [-]
gribble: Current Blocks: 230487 | Current Difficulty: 7672999.920164138 | Next Difficulty At Block: 231839 | Next Difficulty In: 1352 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 19 hours, 33 minutes, and 38 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 8970854.58548 | Estimated Percent Change: 16.91457
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5900 @ 0.00070866 = 4.1811 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9333 @ 0.00071 = 6.6264 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.221 = 0.663 BTC [-]
gribble: Bugpowder was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 37 minutes and 53 seconds ago: <Bugpowder> I recommend 0.8 for the C137Ts.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 1.06600001 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 6 @ 0.22 = 1.32 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 24 @ 0.21 = 5.04 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.0027 / 0.00276292 / 0.00333327 (51603 shares, 142.58 BTC), 7D: 0.0027 / 0.00309136 / 0.00400173 (503326 shares, 1,555.97 BTC), 30D: 0.0027 / 0.00361436 / 0.006 (1689030 shares, 6,104.77 BTC)
gribble: Error: "quotes" is not a valid command.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 227.00000, Best ask: 227.85990, Bid-ask spread: 0.85990, Last trade: 227.85990, 24 hour volume: 109285.52746947, 24 hour low: 172.13000, 24 hour high: 224.70000, 24 hour vwap: 195.30955
mpexbot: thestringpuller: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.741 = 1.482 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.C104T] 120 @ 0.47411495 = 56.8938 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.C104T] 10 @ 0.47411495 = 4.7411 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.C302T] 1000 @ 0.06147506 = 61.4751 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.C305T] 100 @ 0.05949934 = 5.9499 BTC
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 1 @ 0.13928 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LTC-MINING] 1 @ 0.24 BTC [-]
gesell: buy ask walls on bitcoinity dont match actual orderbook (as compared with clarkmoody)
gesell: shows a huge 8k btc wall at 212.13 that isnt in the order books
gesell: found it in the order books
gesell: thats a $2million order
gribble: Error: Failed to retrieve data. Try again later.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.22000001 = 0.44 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00065356 / 0.00068704 / 0.00071145 (560512 shares, 385.10 BTC), 7D: 0.00063322 / 0.00068728 / 0.00071514 (2019787 shares, 1,388.17 BTC), 30D: 0.00059218 / 0.00068919 / 0.00077505 (9481307 shares, 6,534.43 BTC)
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 165 @ 0.11711 = 19.3232 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 225.00000, Best ask: 225.99999, Bid-ask spread: 0.99999, Last trade: 225.99999, 24 hour volume: 102831.28291584, 24 hour low: 178.00100, 24 hour high: 227.86018, 24 hour vwap: 198.06245
TomServo: Will one of you whales crash this thing already? This is absurd.
ThickAsThieves: Just put some low strike options for sale under bot prices, if anyone is interested
gesell: TomServo: the wales are pumping it still
gesell: i doubt a whale could crash it either. the best you could hope for is a ddos :P
gribble: (sell <amount> <thing> [at|@] <priceperunit> <otherthing> [<notes>]) -- Logs a sell order for <amount> units of <thing, at a price of <price> per unit, in units of <otherthing>. Use the optional <notes> field to put in any special notes. <price> may include an arithmetical expression, and {mtgox(ask|bid|last)} to index price to mtgox ask, bid, or last price. May also include (1 more message)
ThickAsThieves: jurov, not sure if you're aware already but I have some sell orders that seem to be hung up
gribble: A market order to sell 50000 bitcoins right now would net 9392456.7823 USD and would take the last price down to 135.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 187.8491 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 60.1194 seconds
gesell: mircea_popescu: you have to add the amount and price ;)
gesell: then we'll watch it fall
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 3 @ 1.041 = 3.123 BTC [-]
jurov: ThickAsThieves: yes moment found some issue and debugging it
mircea_popescu: i dont recall what the command is, but it tells you where priceends up
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 15 @ 0.00021 = 0.0032 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: i'll bet you a 50k btc straight sell takes it under 100 atm
gribble: A market order to sell 50000 bitcoins right now would net 9392456.7823 USD and would take the last price down to 135.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 187.8491 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 110.0784 seconds
gesell: when has there been a 50k sell?
ThickAsThieves: if someone dropped 50k coins, buyers would be ecstatic
Namworld: last crash from 33 USD to peanuts?
TomServo: Then it'll really crash when Gox can't pay out. ;)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100 @ 0.0007035 = 0.0704 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.011 BTC [+]
gesell: dont know if anyone is interested but speculating on the utility of bitcoin pre-2013 and putting SR at the top of the list... basing utility worth on yearly revenue would put btc at $1.6 per coin. It held actually around this value this until speculation started to flow in. bubble, craash... settled back to around $3 for the year and up to $13 before end of 2012. Putting price of bitcoin as a function of utility + speculation where speculation is one of
gesell: bullshit im sure but didnt know if anyone would be itnerested
pizzaman1337: mircea_popescu: would you mind highlighting me when you flush deposits? Thanks
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6200 @ 0.0007035 = 4.3617 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 5 @ 1.45 = 7.25 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 15 @ 1.41 = 21.15 BTC [-]
gesell: sorting order for orderbook on clarkmoody is messed up. (sorts in descending order: 212.0 212.9 212.8 ... 212.1 211.0)
gribble: Error: Failure to retrieve ticker. Try again later.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.21 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.C308T] 100 @ 0.05923571 = 5.9236 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 14 @ 1.41 = 19.74 BTC [-]
Namworld: all these things will keep going down...
assbot: [HAVELOCK:HIM] 1D: 1.41000000 / 1.55749155 / 1.89000000 (71 shares, 110.58190010 BTC), 7D: 1.41000000 / 1.75401928 / 2.04400000 (166 shares, 291.16720010 BTC), 30D: 1.41000000 / 1.8343251 / 2.08000000 (733 shares, 1344.56029840 BTC)
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 223.76020, Best ask: 231.99870, Bid-ask spread: 8.23850, Last trade: 223.76020, 24 hour volume: 101197.60668312, 24 hour low: 178.00100, 24 hour high: 227.86018, 24 hour vwap: 198.89449
jborkl_: its all over the place now
gribble: There are currently 9616.2331 bitcoins offered at or under 340.0 USD, worth 2618836.03002 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0011 seconds
Bugpowder: mircea_popescu: Remember "20 is a bifurcation point..." ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 5 @ 1.42 = 7.1 BTC [+]
gribble: Time since last block: 1 hour and 5 seconds
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 5 @ 0.248899 = 1.2445 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 162 @ 0.2489 = 40.3218 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.2221 = 0.4442 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.22000006 = 0.66 BTC [-]
gribble: Time since last block: 2 minutes and 11 seconds
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.0027 / 0.00276292 / 0.00333327 (51603 shares, 142.58 BTC), 7D: 0.0027 / 0.00309136 / 0.00400173 (503326 shares, 1,555.97 BTC), 30D: 0.0027 / 0.00358308 / 0.006 (1666530 shares, 5,971.32 BTC)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 32 @ 0.22 = 7.04 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 200 @ 0.00270001 = 0.54 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.234 BTC [-]
MJR_: quick question, and this may seem stupid
MJR_: with socket.io, a client web page would request the socket.io client library from the server...
MJR_: to clarify, the client's browser would request that library and then load it...but if you are not in control of the server, how do you know where to get the client library from?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 6 @ 1.41 = 8.46 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.269 = 0.538 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 1 @ 0.00153 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19821 @ 0.00070415 = 13.957 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7822 @ 0.00071 = 5.5536 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 1 @ 0.00153 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 10 @ 0.00279 = 0.0279 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 80 @ 0.00152 = 0.1216 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.002781 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.002781 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 70 @ 0.0027 = 0.189 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 59 @ 0.00261 = 0.154 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 129 @ 0.0026 = 0.3354 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.22 = 0.44 BTC [-]
gribble: Time since last block: 8 minutes and 10 seconds
jcpham: i think 188 isn't happening again anytime soon
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.C302T] 100 @ 0.06611514 = 6.6115 BTC [+]
unbalanced_: MJR_: a common use case is socket.io goes on your server and in your own client web page
jcpham: i wouldn't have payed 188 yesterday if i thought we'd see it again
jcpham: mircea_popescu i payed 188 yesterday and almost got sick about it
jcpham: not feeling so bad today though
jcpham: i'll be priced out soon if i don't keep up
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 1 @ 0.00322 BTC [-]
jcpham: little guys can't even play with the big kids in the pool
Bugpowder: I think we have reached the top for the day.
gesell: can someone tell me what that huge order was in the past 30 min????
gesell: that is what i wanted to know
gesell: Bugpowder: did you see it get moved? how close to the edge of the wall was it moved before being eaten up, Or did he just move it directly to the other wal?
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 237.62376, Best ask: 237.95000, Bid-ask spread: 0.32624, Last trade: 237.62376, 24 hour volume: 106406.95928128, 24 hour low: 180.00000, 24 hour high: 239.11100, 24 hour vwap: 202.27481
unbalanced_: MJR_: your server code could talk via APIs to anything it wants. In theory the client could too. Mix and match communication with different end points as your app requires.
gesell: btw, anyone know of an api for bitcoin.de. have people that use my tools asking for support for this exchange but cant find any api documentation (though bitcoincharts must get it somehow)
TomServo: Bugpowder | I think we have reached the top for the day. << 5 mins later, new top. Sillyness.
pgp: even for the most bullish among us - gotta admit that this seems a bit scary....
deadweasel: no way, this is thrilling, my moneys out + x2 profit.
deadweasel: let it crash, i'll buy in again with profits
taub: i'm expecting big ask walls to come out of the wood works any minute now
mircea_popescu: you know... obviously it would have been better if this happened slowly, over the course of a year.
mircea_popescu: come to think about it, the evolution of BTC mimicks the evolution of s.mpoe.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1100 @ 0.00071 = 0.781 BTC [+]
pgp: no precedent for something like this, i suppose...
mircea_popescu: itstarted at 0.00002, went to 0.004 within a fewe mionths
mircea_popescu: maybe btc does a similar number. runs up to 1k or w/e, then spends a year there.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 239.00001, Best ask: 239.98000, Bid-ask spread: 0.97999, Last trade: 239.98000, 24 hour volume: 106856.63799052, 24 hour low: 180.00000, 24 hour high: 239.11100, 24 hour vwap: 202.50570
zinodaur: de prin ce parte a tarii o arzi ? :)
taub: price seems to know only one way
gribble: MtGox lag is 264.997942 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.531052908703 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from the Sun to Mercury (0.39 AU).
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18800 @ 0.00071 = 13.348 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.P308T] 1 @ 0.89573103 BTC
taub: i dont hold any btc right now
taub: oh 5 min lag here we go, if i had btc i'd start to get nervous now
zinodaur: it'd be a dream to stabilise at 250 :p
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 2 @ 0.00069 = 0.0014 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: zinodaur sell at 250 and it will be stable there
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 239.00001, Best ask: 240.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.99999, Last trade: 240.00000, 24 hour volume: 106856.63799052, 24 hour low: 180.00000, 24 hour high: 239.11100, 24 hour vwap: 202.50570
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 238.10000, Best ask: 239.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.90000, Last trade: 238.10000, 24 hour volume: 106856.63799052, 24 hour low: 180.00000, 24 hour high: 239.11100, 24 hour vwap: 202.50570
mircea_popescu: there's like 5 txs to mpex have been waiting to be confirmed for > 2 hours by now
mircea_popescu: i guess people are learning the value of keeping your btc on mpex ?
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.C248T] 10 @ 0.13299188 = 1.3299 BTC [+]
gribble: MtGox lag is 262.702221 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.526452309523 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from the Sun to Mercury (0.39 AU).
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 10 @ 0.000685 = 0.0069 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 1.04000001 BTC [-]
gribble: Current Blocks: 230495 | Current Difficulty: 7672999.920164138 | Next Difficulty At Block: 231839 | Next Difficulty In: 1344 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 1 hour, 8 minutes, and 58 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 8910584.56432 | Estimated Percent Change: 16.12908
unbalanced_: Listen, I don't want to alarm anyone, but I think we may be heading towards bubble territory soon. Just sayin'.
gribble: MtGox lag is 248.891458 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.498775695104 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from the Sun to Mercury (0.39 AU).
deadweasel: this is expected. in that i expected antything at any moment.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.269 BTC [+]
deadweasel: will retrace tonight, or not, then up around 4am EST
Doffx: Maybe the BTC price will surpass my Bubbled mortgage
mircea_popescu: unbalanced_ ity's not even 3x the previous enfoced plateau
Doffx: and I can pay it off with bubbled BTC
taub: gonna be a long night...
taub: everbody calls ia bubble now pretty much
taub: how long can this go on, with peple being anxious to big moves in either side
Namworld: everyone in these channels (which have been around for a long time) call it a bubble. Some have been for a long time
Namworld: While on places like MtGox, LocalBitcoins, etc
Namworld: tons of newbies flocks by the ton to buy...
unbalanced_: This is like high school all over again. Nobody understands me... :)
Doffx: I think we see 1000 before this ends at this rate.
Namworld: I was wondering if we'd reach 100, I said, we just have to reach 100 before it pops...
Doffx: And if BTC reakky gets adopted completely well beyond 1000.
Namworld: but compared to the mean, we should be way lower and are almost moving vertically over it
Doffx: Well, 3 months ago if you said BTC will be at 240 id would have called you nutts.
unbalanced_: it's just starting to verticalize(TM) on log charts.
Namworld: Look the 365 exponential moving average
Namworld: but the current price is just bending the line crazily
Namworld: It's not like bitcoin businesses can grow and develop overnight
Namworld: That price rise is speculative from flocking "investors"
mircea_popescu: Namworld how do you know it's not investors catching up with adoption ?
deadweasel: don't, i will hold minus 5% profit leak at intervals
Namworld: It's usually the other way around...
InstantBTC: mircea_popescu, interesting point but I agree with namworld
Namworld: maybe but... I don't think that's the case
InstantBTC: what I see is the buying wall shrinking
taub: I don't see the adoption yet
taub: i see a lot of sites accepting donations with bitcoins tho
InstantBTC: taub, there actually has been a lot of adoption
taub: so that's some sign
InstantBTC: e-gov is letting citizens in e-gov areas pay for things with bitcoin now
InstantBTC: I think that's probably the biggest adoption this week
taub: when you can buy tf2 hats on steam with bitcoins we're going to am illion per coin lol
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 2 @ 0.395 = 0.79 BTC [-]
InstantBTC: I don't think tf2 hats have a strong enough influence on... any economy to make anything worth 1 million lol
InstantBTC: ah. now I see what the other guy in #bitcoin-otc meant by get sarcasm detector working before coming here lol
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.779 = 1.558 BTC [+]
taub: only half kidding, ofc not 1m, but something like steam adopting would be huge huge nwes
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12550 @ 0.00071 = 8.9105 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.09868 BTC [+]
unbalanced_: In other coin bubble news... Canadian Mint came out with next its series of coins with glass figurines stuck to them:
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.75 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.75 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.75 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.75 = 1.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 0.741 = 2.964 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 230.00000, Best ask: 231.00000, Bid-ask spread: 1.00000, Last trade: 230.00000, 24 hour volume: 107341.81087907, 24 hour low: 180.00000, 24 hour high: 240.11100, 24 hour vwap: 203.79970
TomServo: heh, #bitcoin is shuffling people over to "#bitcoin-pricetalk"
TomServo: don't be jealous of the 'bitcoin opportunity fund' :P
mircea_popescu: i'm just a little sick of this super-superficial attitude
mircea_popescu: "mpex is too expensive ergo it doesn't exist. the rich people there do billionty dollars, but it never happened because they don't take my fiddy bux"
FabianB: mircea_popescu: have been thinking, in the 'unlikely' event bitcoin fails in a not too distant future and a good alternative arises (if), what happens to mpex? would you consider moving over and transfering current stock holders?
mircea_popescu: before the recent betsofbitcoin scam bitbet was doing 1.5-2k btc a month, betsofbitcoin was doing 20-50
mircea_popescu: FabianB yes, in the very catastrophic event you have in mind.
mircea_popescu: if it's this very clear cut, bitcoin is ded, bitcoin' is here
FabianB: yeah, of course not if all that happend is price plummeting to 1 usd
FabianB: more like if there's a security problem not fixable and price going to 0
mircea_popescu: depending on context i think simply another alt chain being worth more would mean i move.
mircea_popescu: this is all highly speculative of course and actual situations may play whichever way circumstances dictate etc.
FabianB: that means holding s.mpoe can hedge against btc failure
mircea_popescu: holding s.mpoe hedges against everything other than me going mad.
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.C215T] 2 @ 0.20526835 = 0.4105 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.41 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: @Mircea_Popescu You should consider introducing #mircoin
mircea_popescu: that's possibly the most ridiculous sounding thing ever. mircoin
jborkl_: sounds too much like micon
pgp: I wonder what "work" would consist of with cockoin...
taub: mtgox should just die
mircea_popescu: pgp i dunno but everyone mining it has real long penises...
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7798 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 235.80001, Best ask: 237.00000, Bid-ask spread: 1.19999, Last trade: 235.80001, 24 hour volume: 107994.08151368, 24 hour low: 180.00000, 24 hour high: 240.11100, 24 hour vwap: 205.87526
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 395 @ 0.00071 = 0.2805 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13050 @ 0.00071052 = 9.2723 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.0027 / 0.00276268 / 0.00333327 (51803 shares, 143.12 BTC), 7D: 0.0027 / 0.00309121 / 0.00400173 (503526 shares, 1,556.51 BTC), 30D: 0.0027 / 0.00357535 / 0.00599987 (1661472 shares, 5,940.36 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8355 @ 0.00071199 = 5.9487 BTC [+]
bgupta: so what's the longest folks have seen a single transaction take without getting a single confirm?
jborkl_: i had 12 hours myself, I am sure there are longer
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 236.00102, Best ask: 236.98900, Bid-ask spread: 0.98798, Last trade: 236.00102, 24 hour volume: 107837.97713614, 24 hour low: 180.00000, 24 hour high: 240.11100, 24 hour vwap: 206.40299
deadweasel: not enough nodes. what is the node count anyhow?
bgupta: well doesn't difficulty adjust to the numer of nodes?
bgupta: The network currently has over 2300 pending transactions.. typically only 1000 pending transactions.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.2 BTC [-]
jborkl_: this morning it was at 700, right now 2200 - 4-5 blocks real quick would wipe out the backlog - depending on the size
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 7 @ 1.2 = 8.4 BTC [-]
taub: failing to make a new high
taub: bitbet needs a better rating system though
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.28 = 0.56 BTC [+]
pigeons: is it just me or are you a spammer
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.C230T] 100 @ 0.17381693 = 17.3817 BTC
deadweasel: kakobrekla: damnkaroshi spammers are back
kakobrekla: well not much to do since he posts and parts
kakobrekla: options b is he posts and gets banned and parts
pigeons: hmm maybe its only riggable if i use his refferal code
deadweasel: that site has viruo ya, i missed that. thx anyhow1
deadweasel: that site has a virus last time i checked.
deadweasel: no worries. kakobrekla, i thought he was going to sell it. i missed him 'partin'
pigeons: i dont click links in this channel anyway, too much porn
deadweasel: although when i'm not at work i clickem all
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.C260T] 120 @ 0.1206268 = 14.4752 BTC
KRS-1: is this teh new high
Doffx: If I remember correctly kakobrekla was living off BTC income a very long time ago.
assbot: [HAVELOCK:VTX] 1D: 0.20000000 / 0.2247293 / 0.29999990 (522 shares, 117.30869271 BTC), 7D: 0.20000000 / 0.34787883 / 0.56000000 (1465 shares, 509.64248047 BTC), 30D: 0.20000000 / 0.42544027 / 0.79900000 (14112 shares, 6003.81302600 BTC)
assbot: [HAVELOCK:HIM] 1D: 1.20000000 / 1.50716374 / 1.89000000 (91 shares, 137.15190010 BTC), 7D: 1.20000000 / 1.70644973 / 2.00000000 (185 shares, 315.69320010 BTC), 30D: 1.20000000 / 1.82089017 / 2.08000000 (753 shares, 1371.13029840 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 800 @ 0.00270001 = 2.16 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 74200 @ 0.0027 = 200.34 BTC [-]
Doffx: I need to put more effort in to it.
Doffx: I am making insane extra side cash, but no way I could live off it.
Doffx: The whole pirate, glbse nonsense made me shy away for a while too.
assbot: How can I be of assistance, my poor man?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.0015 = 15 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.00189999 = 18.9999 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 5000 @ 0.00194999 = 9.75 BTC [+]
jborkl_: shit, mp you could buy a couple good hookers with that
mircea_popescu: problem with being rich. fucking numbers on the screen
Doffx: Buy a beach house in bora bora
Doffx: Buy a ski resort in Alaska
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 10 @ 0.395 = 3.95 BTC [-]
jborkl_: next thing we will see is photos of mp with the princess of Sweden
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.221 BTC [+]
jborkl_: lol, you need to bang Maria Sharapove
jborkl_: that would be top on my list
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 17 @ 0.4 = 6.8 BTC [+]
taub: okay bitbet like heres the deal
taub: for example that $200 bet, people who bet right at the beginning got 1.2 odds
jborkl_: naw, she just goes after balls with such effort
taub: the people who came in in the end got 1.1
Lyspooner: i don't know, i'm trying to get julian assange sprung so we can go there together
taub: not really fair, but i understand how it can be hard to implement
mircea_popescu: taub yeah i dare go on a limb and say it's not so common this stuff.
OgNasty: mircea: is this month going to be another painful one?
OgNasty: how'd you get put in a position to lose money on an increase?
mircea_popescu: well yes. who else do you know who can maintain a 500k BTC notional exposure ?
OgNasty: not i. i just wonder what i'm missing between you not being bearish and losing on an increase in price.
OgNasty: perhaps i should read more.
mircea_popescu: i'm passive. do you understnad how mpoe options work ?
OgNasty: yes. i didn't think you were passive.
mircea_popescu: i can end up either long or short BTC on that book, depending what people did
OgNasty: so it's the pop that will make you smile.
mircea_popescu: if i carry a lot (a lot!) of sold calls on the book and price goes up then i can hurt. if it doesn't then mpex makes bank
mircea_popescu: if there's not a lot of exposure i don't really care either way
OgNasty: a scary position to be in if a bigger shark comes along.
OgNasty: your balls must be made of steel.
OgNasty: i have no idea. i'm always impressed with how the idea is catching on. i heard roseanne barr owns bitcoins now.
jurov: coinbr deposits flushed
Bugpowder: mircea_popescu: couldn't you adjust the algorithm to take your exposure into account, raising the cost of calls if you are short tons of calls... seems like a possible way of increasing your value extraction and biasing the pricing to encourage a reduction of your own exposure, while still market making
Bugpowder: if people still want to pay more for calls, you give them the option, but you just charge more for it
OgNasty: i know i personally would like to be in control of which way my exposure was swayed...
mircea_popescu: i don't understand why people are so aggressed at the notion speculators made money.
mircea_popescu: you know, s.dice loses every fgucking month about 50% of the bets made
Bugpowder: I have NO PROBLEM with the current state
mircea_popescu: why shouldn't option gholders make bank if they;re right ?
Bugpowder: people just care about you and your feelings
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 235.01000, Best ask: 236.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.99000, Last trade: 235.00300, 24 hour volume: 108838.11631974, 24 hour low: 180.00000, 24 hour high: 240.11100, 24 hour vwap: 207.47966
Doffx: I still dont fully understand the options, I had it figured out once, but now its back to being foreign to me.
OgNasty: i am just surprised you would take the passive approach.
OgNasty: because i wouldn't i guess.
pizzaman1337: I think it's awesome, he's sacrificing for the "greater good" of bitcoin
mircea_popescu: you all daytraders gotta have a socket to plug your daytrading tool into
OgNasty: no daytrading but trendtrading sure.
OgNasty: if you think btc will be $1,000, seems odd to not take a side on that.
Lyspooner: he has the correct side on, i'm sure
mod6: i think you might want to read up on how mpex works
MJR_: i think people are basically saying that the market is super biased in one direction...it doesn't take a lot of skill to guess up
mircea_popescu: OgNasty my stake of various btc businesses is easy over 500k btc.
OgNasty: but i respect that you are more of an architect than a player.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7798 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7798 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.7799 = 1.5598 BTC [+]
Lyspooner: dude's got more play in his pinky than an architect has blueprints in his balls
jurov: *reads scrollback* lol chan suddenly full of tight-assed mpoe bondholders
Bugpowder: OgNasty: you still got those minirigs on order?
Doffx: I dont think hes sacrificing anything, I think hes making a killing and getting to look like the big boy at the same time.
Doffx: Hes got you all fooled!
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.C188T] 10 @ 0.25604244 = 2.5604 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: Doffx: It was that way till last month
Doffx: Oh I have been around a long time, mircea_popescu has always been making a killing.
Lyspooner: Nice choice of strikes, mircea_popescu
Doffx: Long time as far as this channel is concerned anyhow.
OgNasty: it's hard not to be making a killing when the price is going up 20% per day.
unbalanced_: Speaking of which... What, no new high yet? It's been like 2 hours... Bitcoin y u no bubble no mo?
Doffx: yeah, but he did it when btc was 4-5$, hes no dummy.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 234.53656, Best ask: 235.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.46344, Last trade: 235.00000, 24 hour volume: 108850.07227890, 24 hour low: 180.00000, 24 hour high: 240.11100, 24 hour vwap: 207.55397
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 10 @ 0.00241 = 0.0241 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 19 @ 0.0024 = 0.0456 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: i love going by all these abandoned sites with btc frozen prices
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.09869 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.C230T] 10 @ 0.17622044 = 1.7622 BTC [+]
jurov: mircea_popescu: are you okay with me putting the "pls make calls more expesive" convo on btctalk
jurov: and washing my hands over it?
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.C206T] 20 @ 0.23438962 = 4.6878 BTC
Bugpowder: unbalanced_: we have topped for the day
Bugpowder: need more capital to be flushed in
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.C203T] 20 @ 0.24277853 = 4.8556 BTC
Doffx: kakobrekla, the funny part about the bitvps is I helped him clean that add up, he paid me 5 btc and I gave 30$ usd to the artist that did it.
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.C209T] 20 @ 0.22626342 = 4.5253 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.C212T] 20 @ 0.21839445 = 4.3679 BTC
Doffx: I think I should ask if he would pay me 5 more btc to have it updated.
Doffx: where is rg anyhow
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.C215T] 20 @ 0.21077537 = 4.2155 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: so weird, he got out of btc like a month before btc kicking ass
Namworld: well the profits are in USD anyway...
Namworld: and price in BTC moves according to USD/BTC rate
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.C218T] 20 @ 0.20340016 = 4.068 BTC
mod6: rg has been active in -otc, he's into ltc now i guess.
mod6: (23:08) <+rg> thats wy im here
mod6: (23:08) <+rg> i got $9k in LTC burning a hole in my pocket
dub: he was selling btc in there too
dub: he should still have a decent stack, used to be one of the bigger miners
Doffx: You can always count on irc to be logging your every word! :)
assbot: [BTCTC] [SYNERGY] 1 @ 0.00651 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [SYNERGY] 1 @ 0.00651 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 234.02395, Best ask: 235.89700, Bid-ask spread: 1.87305, Last trade: 235.89700, 24 hour volume: 107728.29325338, 24 hour low: 180.00000, 24 hour high: 240.11100, 24 hour vwap: 207.93552
dub: not that early but he had 60GH of stolen supercomputer (according to him) when most miners where <10GH
assbot: [BTCTC] [SYNERGY] 1 @ 0.006501 BTC [-]
mod6: i like rg for the most part. and I liked how he was helpful to most newbs in -otc. just too bad that bvps ended the way it did :/
assbot: [BTCTC] [SYNERGY] 4 @ 0.0065 = 0.026 BTC [-]
mod6: err, yea sorry Namworld ...
mod6: im refering to its delisting on mpex
Namworld: Just RG and his helpfulness being around
gribble: There are currently 39007.734 bitcoins offered at or under 99999999.0 USD, worth 502431927.952 USD in total. | Data vintage: 21.4332 seconds
gribble: There are currently 32135254 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 14598746.1341 USD in total. | Data vintage: 25.8648 seconds
Namworld: The probable new banner to replace the 1 BTC banner
gribble: A market order to sell 3500 bitcoins right now would net 808104.7174 USD and would take the last price down to 225.9800 USD, resulting in an average price of 230.8871 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 106.8866 seconds
mod6: how's it goin anyway Namworld?
Namworld: Shouldn't be for much longer tho
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.C188T] 25 @ 0.264 = 6.6 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: ThickAsThieves: Not sure about anything... but the oscillation is damping down. bid volume is down. I think we need another bolus of wires to push it... Maybe when Japan gets up.
Bugpowder: I'm assuming Japan is more relevant due to the exchange being located there, not sure how the deposit flushing works at gox.
mod6: The ToS says I can't run a miner, which makes sense. Wallet hosting is ok though?
unbalanced_: I saw talk on the wall watcher thread about China on Sunday
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.C260T] 500 @ 0.12286079 = 61.4304 BTC [+]
Doffx: Ugg, just read a site aout options that finally made sense to me.
Doffx: As usual I was over complicating the why.