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phf: ah, that explains the misunderstandings. ave1's no-c compiler has a completely custom ada runtime library, which is a tiny subset of the whole standard. http://btcbase.org/patches/zfp_2_noc/tree/ the adainclude part
asciilifeform: but given as i do not expect most nontrivial c proggies to build with it, i suspect that the 2 compilers will remain in use in parallel for a while.
asciilifeform: phf: are we speaking of http://ave1.org/2018/building-gnat-on-musl-updated-tar-line/ or http://ave1.org/2018/gnat-zero-foot-print-take-2-no-c/ ? these are separate items
phf: asciilifeform: if you haven't looked, ave1's item is a significantly cut subset of ada's standard, where, e.g. http://btcbase.org/patches/zfp_2_noc/tree/adainclude/a-textio.ads is text_io (compare to real text_io)
a111: Logged on 2018-07-18 00:33 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-18#1835659 << iirc allegro was moar complicated than this, tho tbf i am unsure whether less or ~more~ scammy . it was a nonfixed price (no cost for src actually but had to 1) be existing customer and 2) sign seekricy contract ) and price of being customer in turn wasn't 'fixed' ( 'lispworks' co. iirc charged royalties ) . as for 'specified', this was 1 of the rare products where yes specified ( common l
mircea_popescu: i suppose at the furthermost it could result in 1. luser installing that ; 2. luser being displeased with shitclient performance ; 3. luser whining at mocky ; 4. mocky asking him to check his binary hash.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-18#1835659 << iirc allegro was moar complicated than this, tho tbf i am unsure whether less or ~more~ scammy . it was a nonfixed price (no cost for src actually but had to 1) be existing customer and 2) sign seekricy contract ) and price of being customer in turn wasn't 'fixed' ( 'lispworks' co. iirc charged royalties ) . as for 'specified', this was 1 of the rare products where yes specified ( common l ☝︎☟︎
deedbot: mircea_popescu rated ave1 2 at 2018/05/17 04:02:57 << produced the holy grail : http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-15#1813760
deedbot: mircea_popescu rated spyked 2 at 2017/08/19 17:53:59 << aka Lucian Mogosanu, arm guy and other things. e-known him for years.
asciilifeform: ( observe that there is no reason why all of'em gotta answer to ~same~ l1 key. item oughta survive a defection or 2, if built correctly. )
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i don't see any problem with eulora making its src members-only ( whether l1 or the 2 people who actually work on it etc ) but will admit that i still don't see what it adds, other than ceremonially. the monkey herd can still plagiarize the existing published src .
ave1: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-16#1834921, ack. I think it's a brilliant idea. Especially, points (2) and (3) and I'm not worried about the "keeping a secret" parts. First, I've worked for companies with an extensive secret code base (and this code is and has been secret for a long time > 30 years) . Second, all leaked sources are "illegal" anyway (as in this source was not sanctioned, so it's worthless). ☝︎
mircea_popescu: ok, but rarely improved upon past 2-3.
mod6: Anyway Gentlemen, I think that currently this comes down to: 1) "How much do I trust the man standing next to me?" and 2) What are the consequences should others betray and leak my valuable assets?
diana_coman: asciilifeform, I enjoyed his stories during those 2-3 years when I read almost only SF, 16-18 or there about; when I re-read now I kept getting annoyed because I keep finding it starts well and then sort of veers into what he'd like the world to be rather than what it is
mircea_popescu: type 1 is very different from type 2 ; it's perhaps how you train a slave, or how you make a friend, or whatever. type 2 is very ~visible~.
mircea_popescu: and i suppose this is where i insert an important distinction, the lack of which perhaps informed most of alf's earlier protests : provided l1 has code asdiscussed, there are two, very strictly distinct, leaks. 1. is when x guy in lordship shares it with y guy not in lordship. 2. is when x guy in lordship ~publishes~, which is to say, shares with ~unspecified~ outsiders.
phf: (my logotron has not been that way since the fateful burning man of 2 years ago, now "maintenance" involves adapting to changing landscape of e.g. freenode, etc.)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as i suspect the folx who stole phuctor v.1 and v.2 src discovered, and prolly not much surprise to anybody else, phuctor is not a fully automatic mechanism. it requires asciilifeform's hands , applied on fairly regular basis, to function correctly. sorta like phf's logtron, for instance.
mircea_popescu: situation 2, as contemplated : you release a binary, which mp like an idiot runs, and that's that. the machine no longer has cause to think alf's an idiot.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-16 15:44 mircea_popescu: this release paradigm has the advantages that 1. permits us to control binaries, which means stuff like http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-16#1834888 (which i'm very much impressed with, btw) ; 2. permits to reserve some interest for the author, because the strategic thinking over at minigame is that we'll want client competition (from skinning all the way to all the way) and remuneration by installs (hence all that hash dance in
asciilifeform: '3 can keep a seekrit if 2 are dead'(tm)(r)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but this isn't either 1 nor 2 nor 3.
a111: Logged on 2018-06-25 21:45 asciilifeform: (1) http://www.loper-os.org/pub/c101pa/ida/cr50_fritz_ro_sig.png (2) http://www.loper-os.org/pub/c101pa/ida/cr50_fritz_hitler_enforcer.png (3) http://www.loper-os.org/pub/c101pa/ida/cr50_fritz_hitler_enforcement_businessend.png (4) http://www.loper-os.org/pub/c101pa/ida/cr50_fritz_pinned_pubs.png ☟︎
mircea_popescu: this release paradigm has the advantages that 1. permits us to control binaries, which means stuff like http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-16#1834888 (which i'm very much impressed with, btw) ; 2. permits to reserve some interest for the author, because the strategic thinking over at minigame is that we'll want client competition (from skinning all the way to all the way) and remuneration by installs (hence all that hash dance in ☝︎☟︎
deedbot: http://blog.esthlos.com/log-reading-week-2/ << esthlos - Log Reading, Week 2
asciilifeform: the 2 major ones i specifically recall in logs were 'screen' and emacs
asciilifeform: a new node plugged directly in ( i.e. over lan ) to a working trb node, with 'aggression' should sync in week or 2.
asciilifeform: nat is very much a 2edged sword, just 2 or 3 nat boxen with heavy use will saturate typical GB lan switch
mircea_popescu: !!rate esthlos 2 At the rate he's going, promising lordship candidate.
deedbot: mircea_popescu rated vc 2 at 2016/05/25 15:23:13 << cock.li hoster ; published "secret" supoena back in 2015.
deedbot: mircea_popescu rated tcatm 2 at 2012/02/28 11:40:39 << bitcoincharts fellow, sold me adspace.
deedbot: mircea_popescu rated mthreat 2 at 2014/06/21 04:42:17 << Awesome search ; coffee
deedbot: mircea_popescu rated mats 2 at 2015/04/07 21:29:49 << http://trilema.com/2013/so-whos-running-the-courts-circus/#comment-113478 ; helping people get pogos, stuff.
deedbot: mircea_popescu rated gabriel_laddel 2 at 2016/08/12 12:08:25 << "McClim & stuff"
deedbot: mircea_popescu rated elaineo 2 at 2017/09/26 04:47:52 << somehow manages to write unirritatingly while also academia. i have yet no theory as to how this is possible.
deedbot: mircea_popescu rated dooglus 2 at 2016/03/07 09:36:24 << ran one of the best dice sites of all times, before being torpedoed by fiat government posturing. trb testing.
deedbot: mircea_popescu rated azelphur 2 at 2012/09/28 05:17:31 << joined Eulora even!
deedbot: mircea_popescu rated pete_dushenski 2 at 2014/07/08 01:02:37 << Pimp.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-14#1834483 << just about anything with 2GB or more memory will work -- trb is not really cpu-bound . a 1TB disk will last you 3-5 yrs until fills. ideally ssd ( though the exact penalty from using mechanical disk is not yet known, see last night's thread ). if ssd -- i recommend samsung's, cheapo ssd typically burns after 1-2 yrs of trb wear. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: 2. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-02#1831375 STILL didn't get a direct answer, two weeks later. this "withdraw into busywork" reaction to uncomfortable realities may work (it doesn't work, but subjectively may seem to work) in lines typically well fit to the autistic. but as things stand here it's at least mildly insulting to BingoBoingo, that he's the dood on the ground and you're somehow looking right throguh him. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-07-13 21:36 diana_coman: in practice one single person has only 2 hands, that's the thing
diana_coman: in practice one single person has only 2 hands, that's the thing ☟︎
asciilifeform: at uni we had a p2p lan warez thing, that somebody cobbled together. lulzily , however, ~searching~ relied on a central point of failure, at any given time 1 or 2 particular boxes, and they would live for 2-3 months until some rat ratted'em, then cycle repeated.
asciilifeform: in other lulz , https://www.chromium.org/chromium-os/ccd << amstan et al publish their Official usg debug snake . ( holyfuq, wai so complicated, mine is 2 resistors lol )
mircea_popescu: let's set out the dilemma properly, for future readers. 1. if the creditor is not an agent, then why would he get anything ? i mean beyond the usg-istic / southparkian "aaaannd... it's gone" ? and 2. if the creditor is an agent, then why does the borrower carry all the responsibility ?
mircea_popescu: they adapted the falx for a siege weapon, but the original thing deployed against them / used by the dacians was a 2-3 m pole with a 30-60 cm blade cutting inside.
asciilifeform: i've operated up to 7 on 1 linux box simultaneously , without problems ( the linux usb tweak from section 2 of operating manual http://nosuchlabs.com/hardware.html is required if using 3 or greater )
asciilifeform: 6) i emerged 2 proggies, 'app-misc/mc' (midnight commander) and 'usbutils' , which i needed during debugging.
asciilifeform: (3) contains 2 mistakes by asciilifeform re partition map; ergo , i wrote a 4) http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/A94DS/?raw=true << install-corrected.sh << which reflects necessary changes to partition map ( and removes the console-via-rs232 that remained from trinque's orig experiment )
asciilifeform: 2) http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/bxS2w/?raw=true << lilo.conf ( original preserved as lilo.trinque )
asciilifeform: the 1 non-trinquian component is the kernel, which is bitwise identical to what is on 1) dulap 2) the primary s.mg box. fortunately kernel carries own libc, musltronicity dun affect it. but the trinquian kernel src and my original config is still there, as well as my config for the iron; it is possible for diana_coman to later build the kernel with trinque's gcc, what is needed is to transform my config so that all necessary modules
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> hey BingoBoingo , does this box have FG ? i dun see a /dev/ttyUSB0 << I installed 2
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: or what , exactly is going on ? 1) it reset 2) usb stick no longer there ?
asciilifeform: box is 1) wedged on boot , at 'booting kernel' or some unknowable later point 2) i cannot reset it from here , will need interactive help from BingoBoingo , and not once but several times ( if permitted to boot into trinque's cuntoo, and no worky, needs reset )
diana_coman: there were at least 2 pointy hints this time!
asciilifeform: in the interest of proper log walks , 1) trinque whacks asciilifeform over the head with the headache of fileism, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-05#1765542 2) asciilifeform builds a trinqueian vtron frontend, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-02#1792071 ☝︎☝︎
asciilifeform: so if the 2 are genuinely separate items, why would it break on press
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-09#1832898 << 2 oldies ( from prev shot and still alive, evidently ) ☝︎
mircea_popescu: the whole discussion went 1. there can only be one ; 2. sure as fuck won't be hitler's ; 3. pick something
mircea_popescu: this has nothing to do with the particularls, not you, nor the project etc ; it's just how it goes, either way 1 or way 2.
esthlos: so two things I see are: 1. what to do for hasher? somehow integrate phf's item into my vtron? 2. what do to for diff/patch? lisp McIlroy?
asciilifeform: ( in usa hruscheba is build in ~week or 2, as they make from cardboard )
mircea_popescu: " The hello world example from the previous installment can be build and it's size inspected. It is now at 2.6k (down from 54k) on my computer" aaa yes
mircea_popescu: http://ave1.org/2018/gnat-and-zero-foot-print-runtimes/ & now http://ave1.org/2018/gnat-zero-foot-print-take-2-no-c/
deedbot: http://ave1.org/2018/gnat-zero-foot-print-take-2-no-c/ << ave1 - GNAT Zero Foot Print - Take 2 - No C
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-07-05 17:02 mircea_popescu: 2. customer gives ~2 week early warning, and then the mark comes and goes, and customer doesn't have what he wanted.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman has been tickling it for the past 2-6 weeks.
mircea_popescu: trinque aha so basically the situation here is, 1. you did an ablated gentoo last year, which was more vanilla ; 2. meanwhile it was discovered no longer builds, because imperial shitstack can't be a foundation for anything but the cockroaches ; 3. since ave1 work meshes well with older asciilifeform work we've updated the cuntoo target for a full musl integration, and this will come but 4. prolly later this year ?
asciilifeform: diana_coman: as i understand there are exactly two variants : 1) waitloop on trinque to declare his item as ready for battlefield test 2) asciilifeform bakes an exact clone of existing s.mg gentoo ( really, dulap-iii's gentoo )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if no answer from ben_vulpes in day or 2, i'ma have to ctrl-C that loop and take over reactor controls, and ask mod6 to make good on his offer to sell his spare ssd's, currently kept in the bilge, to pizarro, and then give the signal to BingoBoingo to install it in diana_coman's auxiliary box.
mircea_popescu: 2. customer gives ~2 week early warning, and then the mark comes and goes, and customer doesn't have what he wanted.
asciilifeform: ( picture a 'alt-history' where it came to be that 2/3 of population owned a particle accelerator (let's say, for sterilization of even moar outlandishly-gangrenous usa.beef than presently sold . ) picture the pestilential 'omfg i am eating what! isotope?!' complaints
mircea_popescu: are you aware about 2/3 of the fuckage female population does not own a computer ?
asciilifeform: dragonfly can run on 2 joules / day, for all i know 700btc can run 700yrs of kako
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-18#1826640 << cut weight to 2.4mb by removing alternative versions of ebuilds. who wants one of 'em can sign a patch. ☝︎
deedbot: lobbes canceled diana_coman invoice 2
mod6: *2
asciilifeform: orig intel's design included intermediate rings 1,2. but microshit never used'em
asciilifeform: there are 3 basic cuts of gc. 1) simplest -- no gc. you cons N times, and you're through. this is actually practical ( see the last coupla gc threads ) for scripting lang, where proggy runs for a coupla seconds, on inputs of known size, etc 2) 'stop & copy'. simplest gc, implemented in 1950s-1970s lisps, and by erry student in school. proggy runs out of space -- stops, finds what is alive and what is dead via refcounting (circular r
mircea_popescu: "My attempted pace will be to read 4 days of logs every day (3 older logs, and the present log). The average log takes me about 30 minutes to read (including following links), and there's a bit over 900 logs to catch up on, so I'll be caught up in 300 days, working 2 hours a day. Starting late is a bitch, ya know." << i am SO FUCKING CURIOUS how this works out!
mircea_popescu: this is what i am saying. i have come to realise, no 2-battery hole, not useful for laptopping./
mircea_popescu: 2 battery unit as in, plugged at the same time.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i had 2 in BingoBoingostan
asciilifeform: and it ain't as if the thing could run for moar than 2-3 hrs on a charge even when new.
asciilifeform: ( batteries have become a first class bitch, they last for 2-3 months , hundred charges or so and straight to rubbish bin )
a111: Logged on 2017-12-24 21:38 asciilifeform: also why wouldja 1) help hitler 2) for $ 500 3) that you'd have to suffer from down's syndrome to actually believe will be paid ...?
asciilifeform: in other noose, several 100k 'laughable primes' ( i.e. close to powers of 2, powers of 2 with various value of upper byte, etc ) being generated and added to phuctor 8ball db as we speak ( item discussed in late may, but stuck on conveyor )
BingoBoingo: There are two marketing avenues. 1 - Targeted social engineering 2 - Third Class Mail (On the Internet)
asciilifeform: trinque: they have not 1 but 2 'proper' systems, just slow to switch.
asciilifeform: re irix boxen -- the last pre-intelization machines, e.g. 'octane', 'octane 2', were princely, errything-hotswappable, on rails, copper meshing against emp, redundant cpu/memory/power/etc, prolly eternal.
asciilifeform: 'this os/2 box still runs, why should i change it'
mircea_popescu: irix! amigaos! os/2! etc.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: wouldja care to share how they reacted, in 2+ mass, to the water outage ?
mircea_popescu: that's the problem here. "1. we have these machines ; 2. we know they're broken ; 3. alf objects to the curative process either because he doesn't like its name or because that which cureth could make ill."
asciilifeform: the 2 apes require very diff approaches. for one, it is possible to think of something like engineering. for other -- train, the way one trains circus seals.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-27#1830123 >> 'Seizure of nearly 2,000 Bitcoins and other cryptocurrencies ... Bitcoin mining devices, computer equipment' << waterfall is well-fed this summer ☝︎
asciilifeform: aha, recall the 'omfg flow graph is O(N^2)' thread
mircea_popescu: 2. you sign another new patch, later on, "fixing-bugzappers.patch". this patch references manifest patch and ircbot-multichan-etc.
mod6: Perhaps we need to 1: Formally adopt the manifest spec proposed by trinque, 2: build a V that supports it.