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phf: haha, i'm following same regression
asciilifeform: it switches on the lcd light, etc
phf: but i finally finished the cable, had time to test that it works, then left home for weekend and naturally forgot the cable. so running blind/not really getting any output
asciilifeform: phf: if you get a black screen, chances are that it didn't boot the kernel
phf: yeah, that's what it looks like. there's minimum activity from the usb on first check, and then blank screen
asciilifeform: phf: it's ~useless to do just about anything with that box without the snake
asciilifeform: ( my old userland doesn't give you a working nic, either )
phf: oh i figured as much, but at least i had a chance to organize the workspace. download relevant bits, line up a bunch of discussion pages with mentions of mysterious utilities that take obscure flags
asciilifeform: re: cr50, fwiw i have pretty much whole thing multiply massaged in ida, code/data mapped, got good % of the functions 'usefully' named. but so far no dice in finding a usable hole.
phf: that sort of stuff. i assumed though that at least that arch guide will at least give me a console
asciilifeform: whole escapade mostly succeeded so far in being a time sink for asciilifeform , and little else ☟︎
phf: did you use the vmlinux.kpart from http://os.archlinuxarm.org/os/ArchLinuxARM-veyron-latest.tar.gz by any chance?
asciilifeform: yes, iirc that very same
phf: kk
phf: well, i'm going to at least get this device to be a decent note taking tool or something along those lines
asciilifeform: for asciilifeform it was originally wanted as a box for travel . really not imho suitable for the purpose, in light of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-13#1825108 . ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-06-13 20:56 asciilifeform: '...and this here is the airport wallet inspector master key jack. got a problem, terrorist ?'
phf: right
asciilifeform: and i cannot in good conscience encourage other folx to buy it.
asciilifeform: not until we break it.
asciilifeform: seems like my x60 will have to be made to last for some years.
asciilifeform: ( batteries have become a first class bitch, they last for 2-3 months , hundred charges or so and straight to rubbish bin )
asciilifeform: i have a capacitative welder nao, will have to try hand-rebatterying at some point. ( will need to find how to reset the embedded charge monitor thing they've got )
asciilifeform: 1 problem is that the li-ion cells on the market, are all ~same chinese liquishit as what's in the aftermarket batteries to begin with
asciilifeform: ( you can pay moar for 'japan', but really it's just same cells, re-stickered , genuine ones are ~unobtainium )
asciilifeform: last yr i bought what claimed to be an original unit, from warehouse. croaked in coupla weeks. ( li-ion cells -- don't keep )
asciilifeform: and it ain't as if the thing could run for moar than 2-3 hrs on a charge even when new.
asciilifeform: x86 -- suxx.
phf: i treat the x60 battery purely as a ups, which yes makes it pretty useless for travel. can break it out on amtrak or at a hotel that's pretty much it
mircea_popescu: esthlos re http://summaries.logs.esthlos.com/ you've seen http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-13#1770183 ? ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-13 07:06 mircea_popescu: !~later tell hanbot here's something you might find useful : http://trilema.com/hanbot/
asciilifeform: phf: yeah, great until you're on a plane, or worthless chinese orc-to-human mains adapter breaks ( happened to asciilifeform in BingoBoingostan ), or sitting on BingoBoingo's roof , or, or.
asciilifeform: phf: interestingly, none of the planes that go to BingoBoingostan, appeared to have sockets ( maybe in firstclass, they do ? asciilifeform wouldn't know , has never sat there )
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-02#1831160 << hey, at least you're not out there playing vidja. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-07-02 00:04 asciilifeform: whole escapade mostly succeeded so far in being a time sink for asciilifeform , and little else
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: wassat ?
mircea_popescu: video games.
asciilifeform: aa
mircea_popescu: or on the next level, either ironiy or sarcasm.
mircea_popescu: (speaking of joni malkovich, isn't it a wonder the instagram kids aren't spelling it "ironiy" iet ?
asciilifeform: i'll admit to having played a crappy www-based game thing where you learn jp, while waking up and the kettle is boiling, but that's the closest thing
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform re battieries, i usually buy/carry a whole bag. whats actually needed is a dual-battery item, so you can hotswap them.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i had 2 in BingoBoingostan
asciilifeform: didn't help much
mircea_popescu: why not ?
asciilifeform: 2nd one , turned out, was breathing its last, suddenly wouldn't even charge, jettisoned it right there
mircea_popescu: 2 battery unit as in, plugged at the same time.
asciilifeform: aa
mircea_popescu: i got a bagful of batteries with every laptop anyway
asciilifeform: x60 dun have a 2nd hole
asciilifeform: i have a box with 2nd hole, but it's a modern i7 thing and ugh, and on top of this it weights like 4kg
mircea_popescu: this is what i am saying. i have come to realise, no 2-battery hole, not useful for laptopping./
asciilifeform: asciilifeform was on a mass-constrained mission, recall.
asciilifeform: every gram , in the end, was spoken for.
asciilifeform: even bought a lighter toothbrush..
mircea_popescu: lol
asciilifeform: i wish i were making this up, lol
mircea_popescu: could have just bought one there!
asciilifeform: aha, thought of this already after launched.
asciilifeform: the toothpaste, too..
asciilifeform: could prolly have bought changes of clothing there, even.
asciilifeform: but at certain point 'time is money'
mircea_popescu: also, experience is the traveller's greatest aid.
asciilifeform: ( clothing arguably went 'for phree', as it was used to pad the machine crates )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: overall it was, in 'doom' terminology, a '100% kills' trip, 0 unexpected anyffings, really
mircea_popescu: aha. nice.
asciilifeform: ( sadly i ~expect~ the laptop crapola, it has never worked reliably and prolly never will )
asciilifeform: i'd pay a coupla btc for a Trooly Working lappy. if such a thing, in some shangri-la, existed...
asciilifeform: ( i.e. <1kg, 12+ hrs of run, 0 nobus, etc etc )
asciilifeform bbl,meat
esthlos: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-02#1831179 << I have seen that item before, would be helpful now that I think about it, but the link returns "page not found" ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-07-02 00:22 mircea_popescu: esthlos re http://summaries.logs.esthlos.com/ you've seen http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-13#1770183 ?
mircea_popescu: ugh
mircea_popescu: oh god damned it, seems i ended up deleting them
mircea_popescu: bah.
mircea_popescu: hanbot you got copies somewhere ?
mircea_popescu: "My attempted pace will be to read 4 days of logs every day (3 older logs, and the present log). The average log takes me about 30 minutes to read (including following links), and there's a bit over 900 logs to catch up on, so I'll be caught up in 300 days, working 2 hours a day. Starting late is a bitch, ya know." << i am SO FUCKING CURIOUS how this works out!
mircea_popescu marks 2019 june on his calendar for the followup
mircea_popescu: (you're in good company, <nikki_ff> reading logs is nice )
mircea_popescu: esthlos another item is that some bullet-addressing mechanism particularly useful on your summary page. put anchors ?
mircea_popescu: broken though patterns << " broken thoughT patterns. tho i have no good way to reference it.
esthlos: hmm yep, I can generate those. let's see...
hanbot: <mircea_popescu> hanbot you got copies somewhere ? << that'd've been wise, but i didn't think to make a copy.
mircea_popescu: o brother.
mircea_popescu: talk about wasted effort.
esthlos: mircea_popescu: added bullet-addressing. hope it helps
esthlos: also, my piece shoulda mentioned: about 900 days since the bitbet blowout, which is my starting place
lobbes: pretty nifty esthlos. Didja see the !tag thread btw? I always thought that would be a good way to approach the 'chronicle the logs' problem >> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-03-21#1437059 ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2016-03-21 07:43 mircea_popescu: hanbot mod6 maybe an extension to deedbot where people could go !tag <string> and then a collection of clickable tags is published somewhere, each leading to a list of loglines ?
mircea_popescu: http://summaries.logs.esthlos.com/#2018-06-27_4 << item is actually ancient, 2014s. in fact, predates "FIH", possibly lead to it.
mircea_popescu: certainly as far as i recall one of the "nutty" things alf said early on that signalled him away from the crowd to my eye.
mircea_popescu: esthlos this then leads to the next stop, esthlos bot for reading out the content of a bullet :D ☟︎
mircea_popescu: this may end up as a sort of modified/improved version of Framedragger_ 's original multi-line log select
mircea_popescu: http://summaries.logs.esthlos.com/#2018-06-17_1 << poor june 17th. DEAD DAY!
lobbes: incoming deed spam.. pardon me:
lobbes: !!deed http://lobbesblog.com/billing/2018/q2/danielpbarron.txt
deedbot: accepted: 1
lobbes: !!deed http://lobbesblog.com/billing/2018/q2/diana_coman.txt
deedbot: accepted: 1
lobbes: !!deed http://lobbesblog.com/billing/2018/q2/hanbot.txt
deedbot: accepted: 1
lobbes: !!deed http://lobbesblog.com/billing/2018/q2/mircea_popescu.txt
deedbot: accepted: 1
lobbes: </spam>
esthlos: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-02#1831241 << well I fell into that trap, huh! sounds like a good next project ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-07-02 01:57 mircea_popescu: esthlos this then leads to the next stop, esthlos bot for reading out the content of a bullet :D
lobbes: !!v DB02237A606ED66FE4C0996D5AAD46416B2A7007F8B5FA6F890F15ACD89703FD
deedbot: lobbes rated esthlos 1 << reads log, keeps blog, does useful things. See blog.esthlos.com
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-01#1831138 << ty for this info. Some of my research on subj. indeed hinted at 'rebuild kernel' but it would have taken me a bit more time to actually confirm this for myself ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-07-01 21:22 asciilifeform: lobbes: iptables will work if you build the kernel ( there is a tarball with patched kernel on all pizarro rockchip boxen ) with the requisite flags
esthlos: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-02#1831237 << interesting. seems like implementing the tags wouldn't be hard, but choosing the right ones would be ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-07-02 01:52 lobbes: pretty nifty esthlos. Didja see the !tag thread btw? I always thought that would be a good way to approach the 'chronicle the logs' problem >> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-03-21#1437059
esthlos: I'd be happy to be the librarian, though could imagine a system where the bot allows trusted users to "push" summaries or tags. curation is a necessity, but I don't doubt others can produce much better summaries than I
esthlos: anyway, bbl
lobbes: indeed, the benefit of the tag method is that -you- don't have to personally tag each thread (not saying you can or cannot, just... it is an immense amount of effort).
lobbes: with re: to curation, you could record the nick for everyone that submits a tag, then just allow others who view the tagged data to filter based on nick. (Other option of course would be a gpg challenge to submit a tag, but I doubt people will want to unsheathe their key every time they want to tag a thread.) ☟︎
lobbes: anyways, I'm just spit-balling here. You might find a much better way to do all this
lobbes bbl as well
mircea_popescu: esthlos no rush anyway, as one grows it drives the other
mircea_popescu: somewhere in logs /me explains the screw.
lobbes: !!v 41745A7D9187957BC95BA8311835268978C50E6A1C9461BCB90E30F33AC356A3
deedbot: Invoiced mircea_popescu 0.00010742 << http://lobbesblog.com/billing/2018/q2/mircea_popescu.txt
mircea_popescu: !!pay-invoice lobbes 1
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/IwMI9/?raw=true
deedbot: http://deedbot.org/bundle-530137.txt
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-02#1831265 << nah, the correct approach is to leverage the wot and the v. basically, allow user to give weights to tag authors, obtain a weighted average tag cloud per that spec. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-07-02 02:41 lobbes: with re: to curation, you could record the nick for everyone that submits a tag, then just allow others who view the tagged data to filter based on nick. (Other option of course would be a gpg challenge to submit a tag, but I doubt people will want to unsheathe their key every time they want to tag a thread.)
mircea_popescu: ie, just like the seals directory, except the seals aren't binary but whatever, a number.
trinque: ave1: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ggQ4D/?raw=true << getting this error when I run your latest. any idea where I'm going wrong?
deedbot: http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2018/06/lobbesbot-autobid-functionality/ << lobbesblog - lobbesbot Autobid Functionality
deedbot: http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2018/06/mein-kompendium-mp-wp/ << lobbesblog - Mein Kompendium: mp-wp
deedbot: http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2018/06/getting-php56-and-mysql-to-play-nice-on-arm64-rockchip-gentoo/ << lobbesblog - Getting PHP5.6 and MySql to Play Nice On Arm64 RockChip Gentoo
deedbot: http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2018/07/arming-your-arm64-rockchip-gentoo-against-the-hordes-of-mindless-bots/ << lobbesblog - Arming your Arm64 RockChip Gentoo against the hordes of Mindless Bots
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-01#1831136 << np, done ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-07-01 20:49 lobbes: incidentally, trinque, next time you're in the boiler room plox to try adding http://blog.lobbesblog.com/feed/ once more
ave1: trinque, The directory for the script needs to absolute, i.e. ./build-ada.sh output --> ./build-ada.sh $PWD/output
lobbes: ty trinque
lobbes: !!v 09AC6E34B044CA0F0C914DB999EFB519BEDF759F53928006903595F9D338F706
deedbot: Invoiced hanbot 0.00011568 << http://lobbesblog.com/billing/2017/q3/hanbot.txt, http://lobbesblog.com/billing/2017/q4/hanbot.txt, http://lobbesblog.com/billing/2018/q2/hanbot.txt
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-02#1831260 <- heh, like always; the summaries page looks useful to me ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-07-02 02:29 esthlos: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-02#1831237 << interesting. seems like implementing the tags wouldn't be hard, but choosing the right ones would be
hanbot: !!pay-invoice lobbes 1
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Vww8H/?raw=true
hanbot: !!v E029FB276D7C02F20744282D2A3A4D778E4D14750517FB2B585755D8C5B80A42
deedbot: hanbot paid lobbes invoice 1
hanbot: cheers lobbes, thanks for the service.
deedbot: http://thetarpit.org/posts/y04/075-adalisp-prototype-ii.html << The Tar Pit - The return of the lost son of the father of adalisp, now in a genesis
spyked: dun dun dun
spyked: ^ phf, can you pl0x add this to the btcbase patch list? and http://lucian.mogosanu.ro/src/trilemabot/ ? ☟︎
mod6: mornin'
asciilifeform: ohai mod6
mircea_popescu: nice spyked
asciilifeform: !!up fromloper
deedbot: fromloper voiced for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: fromloper: you're on the air! who might you be ?
fromloper: Curious traveller. Got here by the 'Contact' link on the loperos blog.
fromloper: Currently (re) learning LISP and was simply scouting out places to lurk ;)
asciilifeform: fromloper: i recommend to read the logs, http://btcbase.org/log/
fromloper: Much obliged.
mircea_popescu: fromloper we know that, by your name, you see.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile all quiet on the weird front. https://78.media.tumblr.com/c2b692b8132b4cbf2ff59a6ab0c1e4ba/tumblr_p3ivxcMy6N1rwygwno1_1280.jpg
mod6: heheh
trinque: ave1: herp, it even said that. must've been tired. chugging along now, ty
trinque: minor niggle, http://ave1.org/tarpit/readme-2018-06-01.txt has the build script's name backwards
phf: !!key spyked
deedbot: http://wot.deedbot.org/0x541A976BB5FC4B455D7FBC61BDAE9D051A3D3B95.asc
mircea_popescu: spyked re http://thetarpit.org/posts/y04/074-adalisp-prototype.html what if anything do you plan to do re memory management ? gc in particular, but not just. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: (there's a lot of discussion of this topic in the logs, but to fish one example out of the many : http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-03#1595771 ) ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-03 20:34 mircea_popescu: all three queues to be implemented as ring buffers of user specified size.
mircea_popescu: the notion of "program allocates memory with beginning and end" could very well go away.
mircea_popescu: and what the hell is wrong with "let byte = 1010001101001011010111010111100" producing byte = 01111001, because 10100011/01001011/01011101/0111100
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: plox to expand ?
mircea_popescu: which way ?
asciilifeform: re gc
mircea_popescu: i'm looking for roads into the os. could be from phf's emacs, could be from spyked 's lisp, could be from your arms, could be from whatever the fuck ends up working. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: the original "let's unwind it from the FS end" didn't actually turn out capable to carry water, upon discussion.
asciilifeform: there are 3 basic cuts of gc. 1) simplest -- no gc. you cons N times, and you're through. this is actually practical ( see the last coupla gc threads ) for scripting lang, where proggy runs for a coupla seconds, on inputs of known size, etc 2) 'stop & copy'. simplest gc, implemented in 1950s-1970s lisps, and by erry student in school. proggy runs out of space -- stops, finds what is alive and what is dead via refcounting (circular r
asciilifeform: efs forbidden) , copies to new space. aka 'semispace'. 3) errything else. high-tech , complicated, 'multi-generational' gc, with 'nurseries', etc. imho best implemented in iron, and quite difficult to get it right.
asciilifeform: all known approaches to gc , fall into 1 of these 3 cuts.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how about the implict model we kept implicitly discussing, "program can ask for memory chunks, os will treat all writes to allocated memory as mod allocated size".
asciilifeform: this is sorta what you already get in current-day unixen
asciilifeform: (mmap)
mircea_popescu: just about, though seems somewhat unreliable. and no mod.
asciilifeform: as reliable as the iron. and if you want to mod your pointers, you can, writers of e.g. nintendo, etc emulators, do
mircea_popescu: yes, but linux does not.
mircea_popescu: ~the kernel~. not userspace optionality.
asciilifeform: what's the win from auto-wrapping , anyway
mircea_popescu: ada already has very strong bounds ~checks~. but if he's doing a whole adalisp, well...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dunno, i'm just asking him things. i wasn't trying to wrap some tellings into a pretense to questions.
asciilifeform: i have somewhat difficult time picturing the win from auto-overwriting. 'ooops you brought home 1 too many potatoes, you just overwrite gurl's spleen'
mircea_popescu: because you overwrite ~your~ gurl's spleen, not some other guy's gurl's spleen.
asciilifeform: even on 386 you won't (accidentally) overwrite other-guy's
asciilifeform: far better, to dispense with 'accidental overwritings', period.
mircea_popescu: i dunno, seeing how all the "bug bounties" ever return is "o wait, off by 1, overwrote other guy's girl"
asciilifeform: only when she is kept with the same potatoes.
asciilifeform: ( to carry on the analogy, in x86's retarded memprotections, you can ~spy on cunt~ of neighbour. but not insert into, unless she is kept in your potato cellar. )
mircea_popescu: if this were strictly true, nobody'd know what a bsod is.
asciilifeform: bsods happen in kernelspace.
asciilifeform: ( where there are, for obvious reason, no memory protections etc )
mircea_popescu: these reasons aren't obvious. rings, yes ?
asciilifeform: kernel already runs in (x86ological terminology) ring0
asciilifeform: orig intel's design included intermediate rings 1,2. but microshit never used'em
mircea_popescu: anyway, an adalisp-os could in principle stand down on x86 arch eventually.
asciilifeform: they wrote strictly bicameral thing, '0' (kernel, do whatever to whomever) and '3' (on unix planet, aka userland, process lives in own map)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in principle. in practice, very difficult ( in asciilifeform's understanding, entirely impractical ) to avoid your model being poisoned at the heart by the retardation of the iron ( dma, interrupts, whole orchestra of horrors that prevent anything like effectual isolation of processes , esp in kernel, and -- more insidiously -- prevent sane model of computation even in head )
ben_vulpes: lords and ladies, june pizarro statement will be late; my wife is experiencing an all-consuming major depression that will take all of my attention going forward. i am working with mod6 and asciilifeform to ensure continuity at pizarro. ☟︎☟︎
mod6: Thank you for the update ben_vulpes. All the best to you and yours.
asciilifeform: sad to hear. duty of commander then falls to mod6 . asciilifeform will take over the sysop duties that ben_vulpes has been volunteering for. the search for treasurer is on.
mod6: I'll stand in as acting manager for the time being, but now begins the official search for a new pizarro manager. Please let us know if interested in the role.
mod6: One thing that I'd also like to mention regarding the role for pizarro manager: We are looking to de-couple the manager role from the accounting portion. We're really looking for two roles at this moment. One person to handle the accounting role, and another person to handle the day-to-day management.
mircea_popescu: o.O
mod6: You were disconnected when the news was announced, if you didn't see mircea_popescu .
mircea_popescu: wait a second, this is what, at will employment ? don't even have to put in a full year or w/e, can just walk whenever the fuck it no longer looks pleasant ?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-02#1831355 << dude, wake the hell up. you can't quit on a day's notice, what the fuck is this. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-07-02 18:05 ben_vulpes: lords and ladies, june pizarro statement will be late; my wife is experiencing an all-consuming major depression that will take all of my attention going forward. i am working with mod6 and asciilifeform to ensure continuity at pizarro.
mod6: ben_vulpes let us know that he needs to step back due to a family crisis. Not sure what more we can do, it's not ideal, but he's going to be wrapping up the report for June and transfering all of the rest of the information and other things to asciilifeform and myself.
mircea_popescu: mod6 you ever been involved in any sort of multi-person anything where you could walk like that ?
mircea_popescu: and i am including here highschool garage bands, because sure as fuck nobody in employment gets 0day notice.
mod6: No.
mircea_popescu: so then why are you encouraging it ?
mod6: Right.
mod6: I'm not, but I understand that the man needs to help his family.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i will do my best to continue supporting pizarro, i won't diappear immediately. but i need to find someone to take over my responsibilities, and i'm going to be stretched very thin.
mod6: But more over, no, most roles you need to give a months notice or some such thing. It's not my preference, but what can I do?
mircea_popescu: insanity.
mircea_popescu: well... so what are you gonna do, promote in house i suppose ? ☟︎
mod6: Yeah, we're looking for L1, perhaps L2 if there is a good fit.
mod6: You wanna be manager?
mircea_popescu: i'm a provedly inept manager for pizaroo.
ben_vulpes: i will do as right by pizarro as i can; i will continue to do what i can. i must deliver notice that pizarro needs to find additional help.
mod6: mircea_popescu: understood. we appreciate your input, however. very much.
mod6: ben_vulpes: ty
mircea_popescu: what's the delta between what you need and what BingoBoingo can do / has been doing ? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: he seems rather reliable to date.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes so is she walking on you, is the idea ?
asciilifeform: dunno, mircea_popescu is actually quite effective manager, when he's helped with e.g. minutiae of iron. and asciilifeform appreciates his unofficial help to date.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: if BingoBoingo can pick up the statements, that shrinks the delta; i've been flailing at transforming btc into amazon-compatible usd for the ssd shipment over the past week, he may be able to assist with that
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i'm spending a bit of time keeping her from walking across a highway, if that counts as "walking on you"
mircea_popescu: better variant thereof, i guess. so travel, best thing for the suicidal.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's an impedance mismatch, sadly. i've not managed anything without extensive and reliable ops orgs in... well basically forever. reason i was an eff expert/consultant rather than manager was specifically that i never liked minding the middle.
asciilifeform: fair
mircea_popescu: i don't mind helping with the unobvious, but exactly what occured will occur again, "omfg, that was so obvious, where is it" sorta problem.
asciilifeform: maeks sense. 'flag vs field officers'
mod6: BingoBoingo says he's on his way to the interwebs, was out shopping for hot water heaters...
mircea_popescu: what, he gets hot water ?!
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in curb news, https://78.media.tumblr.com/caebcd8f270c2c96873ecf1e06f17a51/tumblr_omgqhw524f1vpx2zho1_500.gif
mod6: haha.
mod6: *2
BingoBoingo: Lot of news while I was looking for a water heater.
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-02#1831382 << The big thing other than the statements and billing is ben_vulpes has done a lot of work managing the shared hosting machine. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-07-02 18:39 mircea_popescu: what's the delta between what you need and what BingoBoingo can do / has been doing ?
BingoBoingo: !!up tim17
deedbot: tim17 voiced for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: tim17: What bring you around these parts?
mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-01#1831143 << pretty cool, esthlos! ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-07-01 23:46 deedbot: http://blog.esthlos.com/trilema-log-reading/ << esthlos - Trilema Log Reading
BingoBoingo: In other news, here's what you get from the local "leaders" in online commerce: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/2xinx/?raw=true
BingoBoingo: tldr: I am trying to buy two chairs of a locally ubiquitous style. This vendor advertised a low price. They didn't come during the delivery window... or the next day.
BingoBoingo: Eventually they bitch that I paid paypal (because I want chairs more than leftover paypal-olade from old country)
BingoBoingo: I give it 25% odds I get the chairs tomorrow versus 75% odds I don't get the chairs and they lose their ability to accept paypal
mod6: spyked: hey! pretty neat-o adalisp here. I tried it out, was able to build. I did get one error in the test.scm, any thoughts? http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/wXcA6/?raw=true ☟︎
mod6: BingoBoingo: maybe someone can just pay someone via paypal and they can give you fiat?
BingoBoingo: mod6: It is too late for that to offer them any remedy. Through their website they presented an offer. I tendered payment. Either they deliver the fucking chairs or they and paypal suffer.
mod6: Fair enough, Sir.
asciilifeform: lol i pictured BingoBoingo's flat as a sort of partizan lair, chairs made from ammo crates etc
mod6: lol.
mod6: that's a pretty solid interior decorating idea.
BingoBoingo: (Paypal suffers in this scenario because if they fail to deliver the chairs the idiots on this side surely won't blame their own brain damage)
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> lol i pictured BingoBoingo's flat as a sort of partizan lair, chairs made from ammo crates etc << Eventually.
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/07/fbi-busts-ohio-man-for-doing-surveillance-for-fbi/ << Qntra - FBI Busts Ohio Man For Doing Surveillance For FBI
BingoBoingo: ^ In the can't even death ray no moar dept
asciilifeform: 'He seemed to try his FBI handler's patience when he suggested at the last minute that they switch from packing the explosives into remote-control cars and instead use a van.' << lol!!
BingoBoingo: AHA, I knew you'd find that gem
ben_vulpes: !!v D1A3E20B77A25846CE47D38CE998C323176774B2494712CC2ED240D510A922AE
deedbot: ben_vulpes paid mats invoice 3
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-02#1831410 << his work in progress parser doesn't handle end of file, so as of right now the error is normal ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-07-02 21:25 mod6: spyked: hey! pretty neat-o adalisp here. I tried it out, was able to build. I did get one error in the test.scm, any thoughts? http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/wXcA6/?raw=true
mod6: phf: ahhh, got it. thanks for the info.