asciilifeform: it switches on the lcd light, etc

asciilifeform: phf: if you get a black screen, chances are that it didn't boot the kernel

asciilifeform: phf: it's ~useless to do just about anything with that box without the snake

asciilifeform: ( my old userland doesn't give you a working nic, either )

asciilifeform: re: cr50, fwiw i have pretty much whole thing multiply massaged in ida, code/data mapped, got good % of the functions 'usefully' named. but so far no dice in finding a usable hole.

asciilifeform: whole escapade mostly succeeded so far in being a time sink for asciilifeform , and little else ☟︎

asciilifeform: yes, iirc that very same

asciilifeform: for asciilifeform it was originally wanted as a box for travel . really not imho suitable for the purpose, in light of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-13#1825108 . ☝︎

asciilifeform: and i cannot in good conscience encourage other folx to buy it.

asciilifeform: not until we break it.

asciilifeform: seems like my x60 will have to be made to last for some years.

asciilifeform: ( batteries have become a first class bitch, they last for 2-3 months , hundred charges or so and straight to rubbish bin )

asciilifeform: i have a capacitative welder nao, will have to try hand-rebatterying at some point. ( will need to find how to reset the embedded charge monitor thing they've got )

asciilifeform: 1 problem is that the li-ion cells on the market, are all ~same chinese liquishit as what's in the aftermarket batteries to begin with

asciilifeform: ( you can pay moar for 'japan', but really it's just same cells, re-stickered , genuine ones are ~unobtainium )

asciilifeform: last yr i bought what claimed to be an original unit, from warehouse. croaked in coupla weeks. ( li-ion cells -- don't keep )

asciilifeform: and it ain't as if the thing could run for moar than 2-3 hrs on a charge even when new.

asciilifeform: x86 -- suxx.

asciilifeform: phf: yeah, great until you're on a plane, or worthless chinese orc-to-human mains adapter breaks ( happened to asciilifeform in BingoBoingostan ), or sitting on BingoBoingo's roof , or, or.

asciilifeform: phf: interestingly, none of the planes that go to BingoBoingostan, appeared to have sockets ( maybe in firstclass, they do ? asciilifeform wouldn't know , has never sat there )

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: wassat ?

asciilifeform: aa

asciilifeform: i'll admit to having played a crappy www-based game thing where you learn jp, while waking up and the kettle is boiling, but that's the closest thing

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i had 2 in BingoBoingostan

asciilifeform: didn't help much

asciilifeform: 2nd one , turned out, was breathing its last, suddenly wouldn't even charge, jettisoned it right there

asciilifeform: aa

asciilifeform: x60 dun have a 2nd hole

asciilifeform: i have a box with 2nd hole, but it's a modern i7 thing and ugh, and on top of this it weights like 4kg

asciilifeform: asciilifeform was on a mass-constrained mission, recall.

asciilifeform: every gram , in the end, was spoken for.

asciilifeform: even bought a lighter toothbrush..

asciilifeform: i wish i were making this up, lol

asciilifeform: aha, thought of this already after launched.

asciilifeform: the toothpaste, too..

asciilifeform: could prolly have bought changes of clothing there, even.

asciilifeform: but at certain point 'time is money'

asciilifeform: ( clothing arguably went 'for phree', as it was used to pad the machine crates )

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: overall it was, in 'doom' terminology, a '100% kills' trip, 0 unexpected anyffings, really

asciilifeform: ( sadly i ~expect~ the laptop crapola, it has never worked reliably and prolly never will )

asciilifeform: i'd pay a coupla btc for a Trooly Working lappy. if such a thing, in some shangri-la, existed...

asciilifeform: ( i.e. <1kg, 12+ hrs of run, 0 nobus, etc etc )

asciilifeform bbl,meat

asciilifeform: ohai mod6

asciilifeform: !!up fromloper

asciilifeform: fromloper: you're on the air! who might you be ?

asciilifeform: fromloper: i recommend to read the logs, http://btcbase.org/log/

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: plox to expand ?

asciilifeform: re gc

asciilifeform: there are 3 basic cuts of gc. 1) simplest -- no gc. you cons N times, and you're through. this is actually practical ( see the last coupla gc threads ) for scripting lang, where proggy runs for a coupla seconds, on inputs of known size, etc 2) 'stop & copy'. simplest gc, implemented in 1950s-1970s lisps, and by erry student in school. proggy runs out of space -- stops, finds what is alive and what is dead via refcounting (circular r

asciilifeform: efs forbidden) , copies to new space. aka 'semispace'. 3) errything else. high-tech , complicated, 'multi-generational' gc, with 'nurseries', etc. imho best implemented in iron, and quite difficult to get it right.

asciilifeform: all known approaches to gc , fall into 1 of these 3 cuts.

asciilifeform: this is sorta what you already get in current-day unixen

asciilifeform: (mmap)

asciilifeform: as reliable as the iron. and if you want to mod your pointers, you can, writers of e.g. nintendo, etc emulators, do

asciilifeform: what's the win from auto-wrapping , anyway

asciilifeform: i have somewhat difficult time picturing the win from auto-overwriting. 'ooops you brought home 1 too many potatoes, you just overwrite gurl's spleen'

asciilifeform: even on 386 you won't (accidentally) overwrite other-guy's

asciilifeform: far better, to dispense with 'accidental overwritings', period.

asciilifeform: only when she is kept with the same potatoes.

asciilifeform: ( to carry on the analogy, in x86's retarded memprotections, you can ~spy on cunt~ of neighbour. but not insert into, unless she is kept in your potato cellar. )

asciilifeform: bsods happen in kernelspace.

asciilifeform: ( where there are, for obvious reason, no memory protections etc )

asciilifeform: kernel already runs in (x86ological terminology) ring0

asciilifeform: orig intel's design included intermediate rings 1,2. but microshit never used'em

asciilifeform: they wrote strictly bicameral thing, '0' (kernel, do whatever to whomever) and '3' (on unix planet, aka userland, process lives in own map)

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in principle. in practice, very difficult ( in asciilifeform's understanding, entirely impractical ) to avoid your model being poisoned at the heart by the retardation of the iron ( dma, interrupts, whole orchestra of horrors that prevent anything like effectual isolation of processes , esp in kernel, and -- more insidiously -- prevent sane model of computation even in head )

asciilifeform: sad to hear. duty of commander then falls to mod6 . asciilifeform will take over the sysop duties that ben_vulpes has been volunteering for. the search for treasurer is on.

asciilifeform: dunno, mircea_popescu is actually quite effective manager, when he's helped with e.g. minutiae of iron. and asciilifeform appreciates his unofficial help to date.

asciilifeform: fair

asciilifeform: maeks sense. 'flag vs field officers'

asciilifeform: lol i pictured BingoBoingo's flat as a sort of partizan lair, chairs made from ammo crates etc

asciilifeform: 'He seemed to try his FBI handler's patience when he suggested at the last minute that they switch from packing the explosives into remote-control cars and instead use a van.' << lol!!