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Vexual: five figures or maore in usd at the biggest exchange by volume at next
halving mircea_popescu: i have no idea. perhap a coin without the reward
halving would win out on that score.
gribble: Estimated time of bitcoin block reward
halving: Mon Oct 3 17:58:21 2016 UTC | Time remaining: 2 years, 50 weeks, 4 days, 0 hours, 40 minutes, and 0 seconds.
ThickAsThieves: if they do all this, and mine 49%, what about tha
halving ThickAsThieves: furuknap is still fighting the good fight of "the future
halving changes everything now" on the forums
furuknap: Which is safe and fine, it's just a strategy of caution rather than risk. Great for investors looking for long-term profitability. Except for the
halving effect, of course.
jurov: and it can happen this year, this being of bigger concern than
halving Namworld: Well honestly, I don't think the
halving is what makes the biggest impact on this. The insanely high price of AM and lowering USD/BTC rate does.
jurov: yes. it knc and other can mass produce and ship, thus depressing hw prices overall, *after* that it will make sense projecting for
halving furuknap: In Febraury, we're just over 1.5 years away from
halving.
furuknap: That is because of the
halving effect; investments now have much shorter time before
halving, so they can't be as high as they used to be.
jurov: building any projection mostly oin
halving seems foolish to me
ThickAsThieves: and what if the
halving causes increase in fiat value?
ozbot: What is the
Halving Effect in Bitcoin Mining Investments? | Furuknap's Cryptocoin Blog
ThickAsThieves: no one is pricing the
halving into anything right now, except you
jurov: furuknap, bunch of other asic companies likely shipping in next months have much bigger influence than some
halving furuknap: With the
halving effect, AM is losing money for investors every week. With 30TH they wouldn't even beat NASDAQ composite.
ThickAsThieves: really though, the
halving simply should not be factored into current investments
furuknap: If
halving effect is 50% then each month, with a price of 3BTC/share, AM 'loses' 0.0340909BTC.
jcpham: the next price
halving is too far away for me to care about
furuknap: Yeah, but problem is that we don't know what happens to price when
halving becomes more prevalent in mining discussions.
ThickAsThieves: per block after the next block
halving, and more than 15BTC forever in the further future."
ThickAsThieves: "With respect to the mining business, we have never seen it as a drying up one in spite of persistent block
halving. If Bitcoin ever rises as a successful currency in a few years, and the transaction fee has to be, say, 15BTC each block on average, to prevent attacks from organizations that are all over the world and begin show up when Bitcoin flourishes, what we could expect is 27.5BTC
ThickAsThieves: analysis that AM is overvalued because in a few years we don't know what the reward-
halving will do
Neil: 3.0 yrs to next reward
halving :)
jborkl:
halving was in late November
jurov: i think it was after the
halving fiat500: what is AM doing
halving their hashrate like that? if its intentional thats one thing - if its a hardware flaw thats a problem
furuknap: This is the
halving effect I've been touting for the past few weeks in practice. We know that once a more powerful bond comes online, the less powerful bonds will drop in dividends. It's simple math, plus and minus. So why aren't anyone even noticing this?
furuknap: Of course, because the
halving effect every week takes away 0.05 of dividends at ฿2.
furuknap: AM cannot grow much further in terms of revenue and dividends at these price points do not add up when you take
halving effect into account.
furuknap: Chaang, at 2.0, the ROI is roughly 2% per year, taking the
halving effect info account.
ThickAsThieves: furuk, you also presume that Friedcat is not planning for the
halving furuknap: Or rather, there are enough people that don't take the
halving effect into account to ignore it :-)
furuknap: The higher the price, the higer the
halving effect.
furuknap: But the stable income is not as high as people think it is. friedcat has said he expects 10% on average. That correlates to around 0.006 per week. From that, you need to deduct the
halving effect, which is 0.005, yielding 0.001 in real ROI.
ThickAsThieves: you can't make assumptions about the climate at the time of the
halving though
furuknap: Nope. I care for price only to the extent it affects cost of
halving effect.
furuknap: It's really not that complicated. It makes a couple of assumptions. 1) With the current dividend level, AM will focus solely on churning out cash, not preparing for 2016
halving, and 2) in 2016 due to
halving of revenue, share prices will halve too. If those assumptions are correct, you simply divide half the current share price over the number of weeks or months, subtract that from the dividend based on expected hashrate (whi
furuknap: I don't get that sarcasm. Do you not believe that
halving will disrupt profitability of miners?
furuknap: Dividends don't amount to much if you account for the
halving effect in 2016.
furuknap: I do actually believe in AM as a long-term prospect so that's why I try to get people aware of the dangers. I'd like to see AM at around 1.3 as that price with projected dividends would roughly defend a 15-20% yield until the 6.25
halving.
kakobrekla: block
halving bottom was 0.2 usd per 100mhash
OneMiner: pgp Yes, if hashrate always goes up then
halving day will come sooner by a bit.
pgp: so, if we assume a constant increase in hash rate, then
halving day, by definition will alway be something short of 4 years...
pgp: question about network difficulty... does it adjust to bring rate back to 1 block per 10 min on current hash rate, or does it try to compensate to bring overall hash rate from last
halving day to 1 block evey 10 min?
BingoBongo: midnightmagic Win32 killed everything on Windows... Crosschatter happened before, some altcoin late last year did it (no
halving fork) and had to be euthanized.
BingoBongo: mircea_popescu Not at all. Maybe tie the definitive switch to standards only to the next
halving? God is gone so let's send things to committee.
mircea_popescu: people were trying to wait past the
halving but not much past march, so... squeeze.
Namworld: You can see the drop after reward
halving for december
iz: davout: these are rules like "block reward
halving times" and such
mircea_popescu: now, once reward
halving was pinned down, the smart bought. the stupid didn't buy, because they were mommentum trading and the mommentum wasn't moving.
gesell: mircea_popescu: is that a pattern you think would repeat in 4 years at the next
halving?
mircea_popescu: gesell i guess what started things was the dwindling supply of bitcoins due to reward
halving a month or so ago
mircea_popescu: sellers were like, fuck this with reward
halving im not selling
lyspooner: yes, that incremental blockheader is a very beautiful thing. although the block reward
halving party wasn't as exciting as a new years countdown
jurov: well, i actually speculated on that
halving will be non-event for xchange rate
gribble: Estimated time of bitcoin block reward
halving: Fri Nov 25 22:54:50 2016 UTC | Time remaining: 3 years, 51 weeks, 6 days, 4 hours, 10 minutes, and 0 seconds.
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smickles: mircea_popescu: worst case senario, the reward
halving causes so many people to stop mining, txns stagnate, killing the economy, by the time the diff adjusts or asics hit in full swing, no one is interested, price = .1
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smickles: clearly we should take icbit's futures marked as an acceptable prediction of the price after the reward
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Ukto: [11:55] <gribble> Estimated time of bitcoin block reward
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