mircea_popescu: ahaha
mircea_popescu: "there is no answer we can think of besides the one we don't want to!" and other http://trilema.com/2016/and-they-wont-fucking-yield/
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo anyway, why is the idea WH was supporting strange ? didn't like, trump beleete his support tweets and errythang ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The blog post on that is baking.
BingoBoingo: !!up oroborous
deedbot: oroborous voiced for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo anyway, why is the idea WH was supporting strange ? didn't like, trump beleete his support tweets and errythang ? << http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2017/09/27/trump-teaches-gop-senators-importance-of-selling-by-example-learns-limits-of-his-brand/
ben_vulpes: > Roy Moore was further endorsed by President Trump announced his intention to enthusiastically campaign for Moore in the event Moore came out on top in the runoff. << there is something missing in this sentence, between President Trump and announced, i think.
mats: https://www.gao.gov/products/GAO-17-548 on the laughable un-readiness of USN
ben_vulpes: just the usn, eh? did we do the most recent los alamos fuckups?
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: ty fxd
ben_vulpes: > Similarly, a Navy analysis shows that the average age of shipyard capital equipment now exceeds its expected useful life.
ben_vulpes: while i am definitely guilty of eking a half-decade out of a lathe with judicious application of idle six-axis arms found elsewhere in the facility, i don't think even the screw machine squad's hardware was mostly within expected lifespans.
ben_vulpes: i think they *were* i mean
BingoBoingo: Breaking: Hugh Hefner dead at 91
oroborous: BingoBoingo: so young...
oroborous: :'(
BingoBoingo: http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=9009 << Lafond entangled in the legal system JURY DUTY: "I actually told the judge and attorneys about hacking a dude up with a sword and getting off and they selected me as the seventh pick."
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-28#1717973 << bwhaha! dja know this was NOT actually true for the soviets at any point ?☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-09-28 04:45 ben_vulpes: > Similarly, a Navy analysis shows that the average age of shipyard capital equipment now exceeds its expected useful life.
ben_vulpes: i am not particularly surprised, no
BingoBoingo: In other Navy https://archive.is/thD1l
mircea_popescu: harvard eh.
BingoBoingo: 1988
mircea_popescu: so which hits 0.05 first, ethereum or crash ?
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 4233.14, vol: 14956.76937157 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 4235.5, vol: 54947.34789074 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 4153.430699, vol: 604.10700000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 4240.3, vol: 7377.56780422 | Volume-weighted last average: 4234.86491254
BingoBoingo: I'd suspect etherhufferium, Chicoms seem to have more juice to throw at crash
mircea_popescu: and here'ssomething for BingoBoingo http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/maga-so-so.jpg
mircea_popescu: meanwhile at teh ho-tel, http://68.media.tumblr.com/f76f78cda88d574c8244a45ca6854ea4/tumblr_nnkh4dkS0U1s6s2dwo1_500.gif
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-06#1477674 << day of epic threads☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-06 21:10 mircea_popescu: o btw asciilifeform wanna hear my inept symmetric encryption scheme ?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes yeah, not bad. i still hold that's the ~only avenue to the problem.
mircea_popescu: not necessarily the specific example. but yes, symmetric cipher always reduces to a "parametrized otp".
mircea_popescu: best do it upfront than fucking your own ass with boxes and bs.
shinohai: *05:48:42 <-- mac_____ (rm@goat.sex) has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
BingoBoingo: lol-bus
asciilifeform: in other lulzies, https://archive.is/ImVWv >> 'An electronic market maker is suing Quoine, one of the world’s major bitcoin exchange operators, over trades that were allegedly wrongfully reversed... series of trades on April 19, resulting in B2C2 paying 309.2518 ethereum for 3092.517116 bitcoin.... But the next day, the trades were reversed by Quoine... Quoine told B2C2 that it was entitled to do so because the trades were “mostl
asciilifeform: y trades with huge mark-up over fair global market price”, the suit said.'
asciilifeform: 'Quoine in turn claims that B2C2 is “being opportunistic and seeking to profit from a technical glitch” It said the trades were “inadvertently” executed at the “abnormal rate of... 10 bitcoins for one ethereum, which was approximately 125 times higher than the actual market price of ethereum on April 19” because of a technical glitch.'
asciilifeform: 'It said the glitch arose because it was reconfiguring passwords for its critical systems to fend off persistent attempts by hackers to break into its systems.'
asciilifeform: such cosmic ray.
asciilifeform: usg.ethertardium pumpatron subcontractor caught red-handed by a sharp http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-27#1717884 , and tries to weasel out, 'unhappen' the resulting rape.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-09-27 20:31 mircea_popescu: "your honor, i'm smarter than the inca, natch" ?
asciilifeform: 'Given the “stark difference between the abnormal rate and the actual market prices of bitcoin and ethereum on April 19”, B2C2, which Quoine called a “sophisticated” investor with experience trading virtual currencies, should have suspected the “abnormal rate” was a mistake. '
asciilifeform: get this, 'they should have known' that it was a usg wash trade to pump ethertadrium price, and simply sat there, not, horror, matching it
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-28#1717995 << see also >> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-20#1716163☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-09-28 09:39 mircea_popescu: not necessarily the specific example. but yes, symmetric cipher always reduces to a "parametrized otp".
a111: Logged on 2017-09-20 19:28 asciilifeform: incidentally iirc we did the proof of 'if there is a good hash, there is a good blockcipher, and vice-versa'
asciilifeform: and trivially is same as 'good prng'.
asciilifeform: none of these items -- exist; nor is anything resembling an approach to them, known.
asciilifeform: indices into pi, e, sqrt(2), whichever, are just the same obscurantist voodoo as any other approach.
asciilifeform: ( and it is entirely conceivable that some variation on the theme of bbp's function will give you a fast search for 'where in pi might this fuzzy match be' and the like )
asciilifeform: the fundamental boojum preventing anything like a rationally designed blockcipher-hash-prng , is that we do not actually have a theory of average-case problem hardness.
asciilifeform: as discussed in 2016.
asciilifeform: any attempt at proceeding in the absence of said theory, is guaranteed to give you a 'it seemed clever and unbreakable to ME!' idiocy, a la aes et al.
asciilifeform: and, though it may pattern-match http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-16#1699167 -- it's still tru. and you can take it to the bank.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-08-16 18:33 mircea_popescu: the way this conversation is going, we can't have children us two until we get the baby room properly furnished and the safest crypto op is one that never finishes.
asciilifeform: which is why i favour using rsa in place of blockcipher-hash-prng, painfully. the actual averagecase hardness of rsa is unknown and will probably remain unknown. but at least when you use ~solely~ rsa, you avoid introducing ANOTHER unknown.
asciilifeform: now you stand and fall strictly by rsa. P(rsabreak) is <= P(rsabreak AND whateverfucktardationyouusedforablockcipherbreak) , in all cases.
asciilifeform: OR , lol
asciilifeform: now you stand and fall strictly by rsa. P(rsabreak) is <= P(rsabreak OR whateverfucktardationyouusedforablockcipherbreak) , in all cases.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-02#1621198 << oblig classic thread.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-03-02 18:09 asciilifeform: ok i cannot resist answering ben_vulpes . because he will find answer in encyclopaedia, but it will not be an actual answer, but only a thought-extinguisher.
cruciform: so, the logs suggest that my 2048bit RSA key is too short - how do I register a longer one with deedbot?
asciilifeform: cruciform: it's a manual process, you gotta talk to trinque
trinque: there's no automatic way to change your key. sign a full export of a new public key with an old one and I'll make the change.
cruciform: trinque: thanks; sorry for the bother
trinque: well, if you're going to go to this trouble, consider a few other things.
trinque: you generated this key on windows, right?
cruciform: nah, Ubuntu
trinque: k, I guess that was the last one
cruciform: yea
BingoBoingo: So you have two things to fix!
ben_vulpes: cruciform: gpg keys of greater than 2048 bits expose you to retardation in gpg as well
ben_vulpes: trying to find this thread and failing
asciilifeform: !#s gpg rng
a111: 21 results for "gpg rng", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=gpg%20rng
ben_vulpes: aha ty asciilifeform
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-17#1523513 << starting with.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-08-17 21:26 asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu https://lists.gnupg.org/pipermail/gnupg-announce/2016q3/000395.html << lel
ben_vulpes: cruciform: http://archive.is/4wCFX#selection-163.0-171.97
cruciform: ben_vulpes: thanks for the links
BingoBoingo: "That's exactly the problem. Yesterday I ate a most delicious desert out of my slavegirl's own ass, directly. This dream of many previous sultans and whatnots that nevertheless couldn't ever be fulfilled effortlessly came through, for me. I didn't even much care for it either way," << TMSR problems
asciilifeform: aaaaaaaaaaand crate #3 is here.
ben_vulpes: what are these mysterycrates, asciilifeform ?!
asciilifeform: will announce eventually.
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 4179.0, vol: 11699.73021104 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 4180.0, vol: 44660.80177372 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 4157.768499, vol: 458.77780000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 4174.9, vol: 7196.05097395 | Volume-weighted last average: 4179.08461175