Joshua-I: I must have read at least 12ish trilemas today but mainly only gleaned that me and mp share similar views about the ending to True Romance
thestringpuller: danielpbarron: I've wanted to go to porcfest, cause it's in new england, but I dunno how it'd vibe with me. I like burns, so I'd figure I'd like it. Dunno tho.
shinohai: I was going to go to the Xday fest, but didn't feel like driving to Ohio
thestringpuller: lol church of the subgenius...
shinohai: Praise be to "Bob"
thestringpuller: 3rd time i've heard that come up in topic in my life this week
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-06#1498404 << it's not very self-serve tho ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-07-06 22:50 Joshua-I: Is there a directory of current projects / enterprises floating around somewhere?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-06#1498408 >> yup, i see it. not so bad after all, fiat deed system takes week+ ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-07-06 22:54 trinque: mircea_popescu: that transaction from earlier finally went through
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-06#1498418 << fwiw i don';t see this behaviour ; however i have perhaps the most egregious example of "permanently behind" node : "blocks" : 414720 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-07-06 23:17 shinohai: My trb node drops connections one by one every few hours and needs restart to connect. I'm way behind.
danielpbarron: thestringpuller, you should absolutely go, especially since you know me :D
mircea_popescu: i thought the porcfest already was. is it coming up instead ?
danielpbarron: it was, but it's every year
mircea_popescu: ah yea
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-06#1498419 << this is a point ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-07-06 23:18 mod6: <+trinque> mod6: hey maybe the mircea_popescutronic wordpress is a better way to post TRB tutorials/updates than wiki << perhaps. i was hoping that with wiki (which, I admin, is not ideal) people could help out a bit more easily - as opposed to a blog or wp thing.
mircea_popescu: of course, you still have to give them access, which reduces to the same thing. in the end, all these are php, wiki ~= blog ~= forum etc. what are they gonna do different, you know ?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-07#1498439 << it's a start! ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-07-07 00:04 Joshua-I: I must have read at least 12ish trilemas today but mainly only gleaned that me and mp share similar views about the ending to True Romance
mircea_popescu: meanwhile i fished out vintage "classic" and "default" themes : http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/classic-themestar.gz
mircea_popescu: if anyone wanted.
asciilifeform: neato, ty mircea_popescu
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-07#1498449 << if you can be bothered to dig in log, see: was it stuck for eons there, or simply behind-by-n ? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-07-07 00:46 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-06#1498418 << fwiw i don';t see this behaviour ; however i have perhaps the most egregious example of "permanently behind" node : "blocks" : 414720
asciilifeform: btw mircea_popescu that's a misnamed tar.gz
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform behind by n, ish
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform wordpress is windowsy : auto-renaems things so they have a single dot in them
mircea_popescu: because THERES A LIMIT OF DOTS!
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> of course, you still have to give them access, which reduces to the same thing. in the end, all these are php, wiki ~= blog ~= forum etc. what are they gonna do different, you know ? << yeah, true.
mircea_popescu: anyway, if it works dun fix it.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-07#1498467 << ick ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-07-07 01:36 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform wordpress is windowsy : auto-renaems things so they have a single dot in them
asciilifeform: remind me why we're keeping this thing alive..?
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mod6 http://thebitcoin.foundation/trusted-nodes.html << is missing dulap, the single most robust trb node i know of
gribble: The operation succeeded.
trinque: asciilifeform: what's your uptime?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-07#1498476 << dulap's? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-07-07 04:12 trinque: asciilifeform: what's your uptime?
mod6: asciilifeform: what's the ip?
asciilifeform: a few min's downtime since december
asciilifeform: it is the current ip of nosuchlabs.com
mod6: ok thanks.
trinque: nice. deedbot's been up around 104 days.
trinque: and however long before that reboot
asciilifeform: dulap had 1 unscheduled reset, still unexplained, and 1 scheduled, in end of may
mod6: ok updated.
asciilifeform: neato.
BingoBoingo: https://archive.is/wSW29
shinohai: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 646.15, vol: 7761.42734891 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 640.0, vol: 5568.62817 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 644.32, vol: 40969.70975322 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 551.0, vol: 7.59 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 646.23169, vol: 40976.80990000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 645.001, vol: 1572.02214638 | Volume-weighted last average: 645.030787264
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-07#1498473 << same EXACT reason we're keeping bitcoin alive. the imbecile fucktards that lived before us failed so fucking hard all they left us was this rotten gojineata. patching the holes in it so we have somewhere to get out of the rain while we build proper house. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-07-07 03:19 asciilifeform: remind me why we're keeping this thing alive..?
mircea_popescu: if everyone's mother and father were better people, we'd have better options. as it is, we got what we got.
shinohai applauds
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, "fute-o nahoi la gadcaia în gojineață și nu govițăi pe aici". from https://forum.md/ru/913246
mircea_popescu: rusophones might appreciate lol.
mircea_popescu: shinohai speaking of that idiocy, certainly a prime candidate for a fix. nfi who thought that's cool.
thestringpuller: It's like
thestringpuller: life is a party that's never gonna end, and, and you're not hosting that
thestringpuller: party, you're there, so you can, you know take a-take a dump on the coats, and
thestringpuller: you know, you can leave your beer bottle in the toilet if you want, it doesn't
thestringpuller: matter, it's not your house! OK, we're just here to have a good time.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-07#1498483 mine are up 38 days, up 127 days respectively. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-07-07 04:16 trinque: nice. deedbot's been up around 104 days.
thestringpuller: Wow how did that quote get chopped up :(
shinohai: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-07#1498497 <<< werd. Still waiting on my box to go live so I can get to experimenting. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-07-07 11:47 mircea_popescu: shinohai speaking of that idiocy, certainly a prime candidate for a fix. nfi who thought that's cool.
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, top authors by sales in ru, 2012 : 1. Daria Donțova – 2877,9 mii de exemplare 2. Iulia Șilova – 2078,1 mii de exemplare 3. Tatiana Ustinova – 1447,6 mii de exemplare 4. Arthur Conan Doyle – 1256,7 mii de exemplare 5. Tatiana Poleakova – 1022,1 mii de exemplare.
mircea_popescu: 4 women and a long dead old guy. all pulp.
mats: http://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasbrewster/2016/07/06/silent-circle-blackphone-losses-layoffs-geekphone-lawsuit
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-07#1498509 << what did mircea_popescu expect to see in a bestseller list? euclid? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-07-07 12:03 mircea_popescu: 4 women and a long dead old guy. all pulp.
asciilifeform: the american list is very similar except that pigs will fly in orbit before an out-of-copyright conan doyle etc is permitted to appear there.
asciilifeform: (not that these folks, with attention span of a gold fish, and to whom ~1900~ vintage english is foreign language, even like conan doyle)
shinohai loves Conan Doyle, has a whole sheld of them.
shinohai: *shelf
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't like conan doyle either.
asciilifeform: well i do.
asciilifeform: so there.
asciilifeform: and yes it is pulp. good, ~old~ pulp.
mircea_popescu: lol ok!
asciilifeform: 'Sorry Privacy Lovers, The Blackphone Is Flirting With Failure' << l0l1!!!
mircea_popescu: o wait, ethereum is a shitcoin therefore bitcoin something something ?
asciilifeform: 'we dun need no water let the motherfucker burn!' (tm) (r)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anyway, my point was more along the lines of - books being dead. grant as much, than when the majority of practitioners in a field are female, that field is therefore dead.
mats: i knew asciilifeform would enjoy that
asciilifeform: when's the last time there was an intellectually significant b00k on a bestseller list? in whatever country
mircea_popescu: hey, tucker max made it in the us
asciilifeform: mats: i'd enjoy moar if i could get the link to load on me box
asciilifeform: https://archive.is/705sF << ok, finally.
asciilifeform: holy shit, they hired their own slockit ?!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that last time is early 1900s if memory serves. huxley made it
asciilifeform: the huxley who died in '30s ?
mircea_popescu: yeah.
asciilifeform: l0l
mircea_popescu: don't dis, doyle also died in 1930
asciilifeform: aha.
asciilifeform: 'All of the gory details come from court documents related to a fight with former partner Geeksphone, which has filed a legal complaint in New York state court over a disputed $5 million payment. Geeksphone, the Spanish company that helped build the original Blackphone, says it’s owed the money from the $30 million sale of shares in the pair’s Blackphone SA joint venture...'
asciilifeform: 'Silent Circle already lost some of its key personnel in recent months. Cryptography luminary and co-founder Jon Callas departed for Apple in May and in June, CEO and President Bill Conner resigned, with Neiderman stepping in as interim chief. Co-founder Phil Zimmerman, best-known as the creator of encrypted messaging protocol PGP, remains on-board, living in the firm’s adopted home town of Geneva.'
asciilifeform: lel, all but the main rat, have left the sinking shitship
asciilifeform: and gotta love 'privacy! dead!'
asciilifeform: how bitcoin died, when bitcoin ceo was nailgunned.
asciilifeform: quite similar.
asciilifeform: (or was it when bitcoin-jesus was nailed to cross??)
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-07#1498532 << lel i misread as 1990s, and the thing was failing to pass checksum in my head so direly, i re-read six times before 'aha' ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-07-07 13:26 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that last time is early 1900s if memory serves. huxley made it
mircea_popescu: lol
asciilifeform: re earlier, i never quite grasped why every 'classy' diddled crypto peddler has to move to geneva. just because nsa-operated crypto AG corp. is there ?
asciilifeform: is it 'dog whistle'? are these folks not even ~trying~ to fool anyone ?
asciilifeform: didn't they even move hearn to geneva ?
mircea_popescu: if memory serves.
asciilifeform: so what gives.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform prolly they have some oversized office leftover from the glory days of the fulda gap
mircea_popescu: gotta economize.
asciilifeform: iirc classical nsa has its entire euro research arm there.
mircea_popescu: (you'd think this ridiculous, until you review the documents and notice over half us deployments of any kind are determined by what money is available)
asciilifeform: but why anyone trying to convincingly push crypto-whatevers would even SET FOOT in geneva, boggles my mind
asciilifeform: what happened to... ~plausible~ sc4mz0r1ng
mircea_popescu: marketing.
asciilifeform: it would be quite like...
asciilifeform: ... a genuine pharma co. basing itself in nigeria, say.
mircea_popescu: i could see this.
asciilifeform: the 'slockitization' pattern, where american derps are incapable of building ANYTHING on their own, and hire 'ethiopes' to do the heavy lifting, then sprinkle whatever rubbish on top, is interestingly apparent
asciilifeform: and quite like how mircea_popescu described it, long ago
mircea_popescu: ethiopes would be one thing. they keep hiring sarmatians.
asciilifeform: they can hire martians, same result
mircea_popescu: a sort of reverse-manhattan-purchase, where the empire ~imagines~ it is buying something ; whereas the tribes accept the tribute, AND rape the women.
asciilifeform: ah that. yes.
mircea_popescu: been ongoing in the middle east for a while, now they're gonna give money to the iranians because no longer happy with the dudes they fed prior.
mircea_popescu: such choice on this cow, which house on the street to be milked at tonight.
asciilifeform: the 'in-house' portions are usually written by in-house sarmatians, also
asciilifeform: consider the gaggle of asian grad students responsible for whatever portions of ethereum actually were written.
mircea_popescu: aha.
mircea_popescu: they were very hurt, by the way, to find out they're hated, and with a burning hatred, for participating, by the apparent hot core of coolness of the very people they thought they were emulating.
mircea_popescu: the situation is EXACTLY like in http://trilema.com/2011/nuovo-cinema-paradiso/
mircea_popescu: you ever saw that film ?
mircea_popescu: o damn, wrong one. the old one wtf was it
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2012/luomo-delle-stele/ << there we go. that one, tornatore's film.
asciilifeform: not sure i get it ?
mircea_popescu: rome (ie, TMSR) is a famous center of culture and shining lights. because it is, but because of me not because of hussein bahamas.
mircea_popescu: the peasants (ie, here, azns) aim to go to you know, THAT place.
mircea_popescu: unscrupulous swindler (ie, usg) promises the latter that he's representative of the former, meanwhile he doesn't even have film in the "camera".
mircea_popescu: this swindle is supposed to work in the sense that corriere della sera (ie, trilema) doesn't make it to castellamare in shitlandia.
mircea_popescu: but when it does, the peasants (ie, same azns) are quite distraught to discover that what they did with the swindler not only DIDN'T get them any closer to their intended destination,
mircea_popescu: but in point of fact constitutes an absolute bar to ever getting there.
thestringpuller: ;;ud luchini
gribble: Error: We broke The Google!
asciilifeform: $up covertress
deedbot: covertress voiced for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: covertress: who might you be ?
asciilifeform: a coverer of tresses ?
covertress: thx for the invite. just lurking. :)
covertress: covertress means female spy... but, I'm no spy. am head of Krypton, KR
covertress: doing to ETH what you all are doing to BTC
covertress: :)
danielpbarron: o.O
covertress: O.o
asciilifeform: what were we 'doing to btc' again?
covertress: for irc purists, we're on #kryptoncoin also on slack: http://slack.krypton.rocks
covertress: you're making it better, of course
danielpbarron: aren't you afraid that by the time you snip out all the shit from eth there won't be just an empty file?
covertress: lol
shinohai: kek
covertress: there is that possiblity
covertress: GO needs scrapping
covertress: I'm at ground zero here, looking for volunteer devs
danielpbarron: well get in the WoT then
covertress: idk what that is
danielpbarron: $help
deedbot: http://deedbot.org/help.html
mircea_popescu: wait. what ?
mircea_popescu: covertress how familiar are you with the technical matters involved ?
covertress: not much, I've been awol from IT for 15 years... just getting back in
danielpbarron: l0l
covertress: :)
covertress: but, ppl are really nice, holding my hand
danielpbarron suspects this is a gag
covertress: think they like to watch me fall on my face a lot. lol
covertress: nah, follow me on LI. I'm serious.
mats: so you're what, PR?
covertress: mostly
covertress: noob founder
covertress: :)
mircea_popescu: covertress noob founder in the sense you've not founded anything else before ?
covertress: I have industry connects, mad networking skills and no money. lol
thestringpuller: danielpbarron: re porcfest. Do you attend any other similar events? Maybe not like porcfest? But like burning man type stuff?
shinohai: covertress: were you amongst those LI people here? http://qntra.net/2016/05/linkedin-dump-leaked/
covertress: correct. nothing before.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-07#1498625 << does this sentence stand in your eyes ? "i've great tits, wonderful body, nice face and no suitors." ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-07-07 14:44 covertress: I have industry connects, mad networking skills and no money. lol
thestringpuller: danielpbarron: I really love the survival aspect of events like that, and just existing. Porcfest sounds like it takes it a step further with sessions and panels or what not...
covertress: I just joined LI about 3 weeks ago.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller yeah, it'll take it the first step once they actually hunt something.
mircea_popescu: covertress sorry, what's li ?
shinohai: Now with moar sekoority!
covertress: LinkedIn
thestringpuller was really intrigued by danielpbarron 's blog entry on the matter
mircea_popescu: ok, so you've been out of it 15 years doing what, raising a coupla kids ? what were you doing before that ?
covertress: https://www.linkedin.com/in/covertress-061817114
covertress: this is me^
danielpbarron: thestringpuller, nope just the one, and the panels sucked. I only 'attended' the few that were just cover for me to get assassination intel/kills
covertress: I took time off from IT to explore other lives... was deckhand on historic schooner, 1st mate on PT boat, therapist, rest mgr. etc
thestringpuller: covertress: LOL you've met nick black!!!111
covertress: no kids :P
covertress: who's nick black?
covertress: Gavin?
covertress: lol
thestringpuller: nah. he's in your network indirectly.
covertress: link me
thestringpuller: but he's an old mentor of mine.
thestringpuller: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nickblackatl
covertress: Most of bitcoin and blockchain c-level exec are in my network ;)
mircea_popescu: covertress well, your attitude's lovely and all, but unfortunately a) you've bit on something you can't actually swallow and b) i see no direct way to explain this to you in such a way it'd make sense, owing to your complete lack of even vaguely related experience. what'd i build on ?
mircea_popescu: you know what a hypercube is ?
covertress: thx! just sent him connect request :)
covertress: mircea_popescu: I get that a lot. but, no one knows how determined I am. :)
mats: lol
mircea_popescu: ikr?
shinohai: You get hypercubes a lot?
mircea_popescu: lol.
mats: fun fact, ethereum is a scam
mats: good luck with that
mircea_popescu: anyway, the situation here is that you're a restaurant manager doing ok, and one day a guy walks in and convinces you to go into business to open your own chain of restaurants built inside tessaract buildings.
covertress: lol
mats: btc history repeats on small intervals, 'ripple' and 'stellar' were ethereum before ethereum, etc...
mircea_popescu: fact is... you're now fucked. it's not trivial to explain to restaurant manager why abstract 4 dimensional figures can not be built down the street.
covertress: if you all think ETH is a scam, then I think I found the right room :)
thestringpuller: mats: unfortunately, it seems the trend has revealed more people like to spend time hyping things up rather than actually building something useful for customers.
shinohai: thestringpuller: eg, "cryptocurrency"
thestringpuller: "blockchain" "internet of things" "easy money" "get rich quick" "work from home 2 hours a day"
shinohai: Banks HATE him!
trinque: https://youtu.be/KpvAR5KqkBQ << parable on determination
covertress: I met so many companies at Concensus who are convinced they need blockchain because it's the latest thing (internet 2.0 in their minds) but, they have no idea how to implement
mats: thats a clue you're in a room full of dunces
mircea_popescu: so how long have you been doing the "being excited online" + "going to conventions" bit ?
covertress: lol
mircea_popescu: mats i recall the last time i was in a roomfull of engineers who decided they needed concrete but didn't know how to pour it. we were about seven, playing on riverside.
mats: i'm sure these were just mbas
mats: but i concede thats hopeful
covertress: then explain the obscene amounts of money being thrown at blockchain tech
mircea_popescu: well... also don't underestimate their determination.
covertress: don't you want some?
mats: want what?
shinohai: my sides
mircea_popescu: covertress a) it's not actual money and b) a dying empire bleeds money. they spent some on the taliban, too.
mircea_popescu: if you find the time to read the log, the whole turkey dollars thing's discussed periodically. even recently re the linkedin "billion" sale.
covertress: ok, now we're just getting into a semantic debate.
covertress: I'll be back... going to play with my little project now. nice chatting with you all. :)
mircea_popescu: for that matter, see http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoin-prices-bitcoin-inflexibility/ ; fact is you're playing today in a novel written years ago, among others by yours truly. see the part that starts with "yet another one of them".
mircea_popescu: $up webbyz
deedbot: webbyz voiced for 30 minutes.
webbyz: O.o
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: If consumers revolt against an obfuscated enemy, what ends up happening to the consumer overall?
thestringpuller: I've found that Bitcoin is also anti-consumerist...
mircea_popescu: i dunno. if a bunch of blondies decide to inspect the abandoned house in the middle of the night, what usually happens to them ?
shinohai: Death to capitalism!
mircea_popescu: other than the screaming, i mean.
thestringpuller: i mean yes. but the "future of the consumer" seems nonexistent.
mircea_popescu: quite.
thestringpuller: that is the consumer goes extinct.
shinohai: You say that like it's a bad thing.
thestringpuller: Not at all. It just seems there is no room at all for consumerism, if you use Bitcoin correctly.
thestringpuller: As chappelle once said, "You can't just choke all your problems away. It takes hard work."
trinque thanks covertress for today's lesson on money printing and malinvestment
shinohai: For only $19.95 trinque I can sell you money tree!
thestringpuller: Consumers rely on blind trust based on recent observations. That is they want to deposit money in black box X, to retrieve Y. If black box fails their expectations, its because they didn't perform their due diligence in researching the black box.
trinque: http://krypton.rocks/ << oh christ, it's an alt-eth
mircea_popescu: superman logo i hope ?
thestringpuller: oh man what an insult to superman
thestringpuller: you know cause if you know anything about krypton, jal-el superman's dad, told the great kryptonian cousuel "the world is going to end and we can prevent it" and they were all like "Um no. You're insane".
thestringpuller: Well he sends kal-el (superman) to earth, cause krypton goes boom cause people didn't listen.
phf: death to videodrome! long live the new flesh!
mircea_popescu: well, all i know on the topic is that "krypton" is a superman thing
mircea_popescu: in more news in the same vein, http://www.confessionpost.com/12103/my-wife-is-finally-turning-tricks
shinohai: ^ he just wanted to be cucked.
deedbot: [Trilema] тошно - http://trilema.com/2016/%d1%82%d0%be%d1%88%d0%bd%d0%be/
phf test
mats: covertress: you should direct your efforts to something more productive than trying to jam your hands in a money printer not meant for you
mircea_popescu: wait... isn't that the female imperative ?
mircea_popescu: "First launched on 31 August 2012 at Bali Strait, 63M Carbon Fibre Composite Trimaran Fast Missile Boat (Indonesian: Kapal Cepat Rudal [KCR]) named KRI Klewang (625) - a traditional Indonesian single edge sword, was the first stealth trimaran of the Indonesian Navy built by North Sea Boats at Banyuwangi, East Java, Indonesia. This ship combined a number of existing advance technologies into a single, unique platform; a wave-p
mircea_popescu: iercer trimaran hull from, constructed exclusively of infused vinylester carbon fibre cored sandwich materials for all structural elements, with external "stealth" geometry and features intended to reduce detection. The KRI Klewang (625) caught fire because of an electrical short-circuit in the engine room during a maintenance period on September 28, 2012 and was a total loss."
mircea_popescu: basically, ustards came up with this genius idea of "build warship on form of amateur raft", everyone's copying it now.
mircea_popescu: thanks god the technologies were so advanced.
mircea_popescu: maybe next they build a cherry bomb shaped aircraft carrier. complete with the fuse.
mircea_popescu: anyway. this entire idiocy started with the triton in the late 90s. british engineering.
ben_vulpes: > car bon fibre cored sandwich materials for all structural elements
ben_vulpes: > electrical fire
ben_vulpes: i'm going to be someone tried to ground to the frame.
ben_vulpes: or or or lazily clipped something to the frame figuring "hey, it's plastic-y, should be insulative."
ben_vulpes: anyways, shame about the brits. they once made wonders like the black arrow.
mircea_popescu: the 60s are a long way away.
mircea_popescu: but no, how'd ground to frame short it ? carbon fibre's a dielectric
mircea_popescu: http://www.nature.com/articles/srep14927 << nb article on the topic, actually.
ben_vulpes: well randomly distributed means that there's not quite as much surface area of c/c in the matrix
ben_vulpes: whereas sheet cf is simply high resistance once you scratch through the epoxy and touch some carbon
ben_vulpes: heats up, catches fire.
mircea_popescu: but for this you'd need a closed circuit...
mircea_popescu: hm
mircea_popescu: you know, that'd be pretty lulzy if that's how it went down.
ben_vulpes: sure. does imply a closed circuit. eg someone else doing the same thing elsewhere
ben_vulpes: i forget the specific details of what caused the fire i saw.
ben_vulpes: but the core element was "cf is a resistor it turns out!"
mircea_popescu: the insanity of going to war in something mom croched for you however.... the mind boggles.
ben_vulpes: to the mechanical engineer, an insulator is just a resistor with a high ohmic value.
ben_vulpes: that is before he lights the cf panels aflame with current.
mircea_popescu: lol
ben_vulpes: not actually a fence i pissed on myself.
ben_vulpes: anyways, subject of isotropically distributed CF, i don't think we've don "carbon fiber forging" or more accurately described "injection-molded CF": http://www.quantumcomposites.com/pdf/papers/2011-ASC-montreal-forged-suspens.pdf
mircea_popescu: holy shit. til puskin was part african.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha, descended from 'arap' - fella given to peter I as slave, but whom he ennobled instead
mircea_popescu: aha.
asciilifeform: this is quite well known to ru schoolchildren
mircea_popescu: is this the roman buttseks or just peter weird ?
asciilifeform: afaik - the weird
mircea_popescu: peter was pretty weird.
mircea_popescu: lucky him he didn't live these days, what a fine hitler icon they could have cut out of his hide.
asciilifeform: he'd make book covers from ~their~ hides.
asciilifeform: all of them.
mircea_popescu: nah. he wouldn't understand how carbon fiber catamaran "warships" work.
asciilifeform: would prolly go from musket to graser beam in a year.
mircea_popescu: nah, he'd be friends with bahamas. "oh look, clever guy ALSO built capital in middle of swamp"
asciilifeform: peter1 had an actual ~reason~
asciilifeform: unlike the british imbeciles
mircea_popescu: i suspect so did the colonists. "make it shitty so nobody wants to be there"
asciilifeform: it is not difficult to determine why they build d.c. in swamp
mircea_popescu: early us history is deeply against everything the us ended up.
asciilifeform: it was for same reason as building aerosubmarinebullzdozers for $trillion
mircea_popescu: ie, the original idea was much more a la tmsr than a la usg.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how you reason ?
asciilifeform: washington owned a swamp.
asciilifeform: and not much else.
asciilifeform: sold it for $$$$$
asciilifeform: (he married into his lands)
mircea_popescu: i thought he was with teh fairfaxen
asciilifeform: he was
mircea_popescu: hm.
mircea_popescu: anyway, stupid idea to allow the feds their own land.
mircea_popescu: one pennsylvania mutiny each decade'd have kept the cancer in check.
asciilifeform: incidentally, the embryo of modern usg was already quite discernible in shay's rebellion and whiskey rebellion
asciilifeform: (washington's life !)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anyway, the summa of the thing being that they (stupidly) decided to give the feds ten mile square ; the northerners wanted it in a big city, the slave interest down south. eventuyally hamilton managed to trade the south undertaking a share of the northern foreign debt in exchange for putting the capital down by virgina.
mircea_popescu: dun seem washington has much into all of this, does it ?
asciilifeform: iirc he had to do with the ten mile square being give in the first place.
asciilifeform: and was reimbursed.
mircea_popescu: hm.
mircea_popescu: course as president he'd chose where it went.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2016/%d1%82%d0%be%d1%88%d0%bd%d0%be/#comment-117977
mircea_popescu: aaanswert.
asciilifeform: http://a1.a4w.ro/assets/vacantalamare/2013/05/20/image_galleries/63/vara-aduce-reprezentari-surprinzatoare-ale-imaginii-idealului-feminin-gusturile-nu-se-discuta.jpg << lol, stabilopod !
mircea_popescu: lol. so it is!
mircea_popescu: my #1 wonderment leaving the country, incidentally, was that ~nobody uses these.
mircea_popescu: it was an utter shock, they're so cheap and effectual i fully expected EVERY shoreline EVERYWHERE is protected by them
asciilifeform: answrd (contains very gnarly link, went to mod queue)
asciilifeform: http://www.rbc.ru/politics/01/06/2016/574e178d9a794737a9662fe0?from=newsfeed << pilot program started june 1, in october - expands to residents of eastern ru; in feb 2017 - all citizens of ru.
mircea_popescu: gotta be citizen egh
asciilifeform: there was some other thing where if you signed up for the above, they'd make you citizen.
mircea_popescu: i want to be a ru citizen just about as much as i want to be an us citizen.
asciilifeform: i suspect that mircea_popescu is not the target audience.
asciilifeform: (though i have nfi who is.)
mircea_popescu: likely not.
mircea_popescu: in general "get free land" sorta deal is you know, a jew-targetted thing. also how china started its rise.
asciilifeform: strangely, the jews massively and collectively turned down uruguay and argentina during ww2
mircea_popescu: also, a hectare ? wtf is that. we're talking by the dc, 10kmsq.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i can see why ; locals are ~goats.
asciilifeform: why would that make a difference ?
asciilifeform: esp when you're being gassed
asciilifeform: nowhere is it written that you gotta interface with the locals
mircea_popescu: plenty of people would rather die.
asciilifeform: the german exiles didn't
mircea_popescu: heh.
mircea_popescu: it is written in teh torah, "you gotta interface with the locals."
asciilifeform: dunno, it also has 'put them infidels to the sword'
mircea_popescu: 05.07.2016 Подано более двух тысяч заявок на получение «дальневосточного гектара» << lol.
asciilifeform: what, mircea_popescu thought there would be a million takers ?
mircea_popescu: ahahaha "grow open field strawberries. initial investment 1mn rubles"
mircea_popescu: 14k ? wtf do you buy for 14k in far east ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform holy shit the jewish region's in there!
mircea_popescu: i got it right, straight by amur etc.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: perhaps it will add some wtf to the mix if i add that these are ~virgin~ lands, with no communications (not even, in most places, any mains current or plumbing)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform guessed as much.
asciilifeform: the most you can expect is something like a road, somewhere nearby.
shinohai: https://twitter.com/Bitstamp/status/751105138341900288 "Windows Defender is reporting False Positives due to our DDOS CDN mitigation settings. "
mircea_popescu: so what, take 14k usd, go to eritrea, buy 700 women and 700 donkeys ?
asciilifeform: nah, eritrea has proper comms
mircea_popescu: magadan too
asciilifeform: and not big enough, at any rate, to be too far from a place that does
asciilifeform: afaik most of the parcels are not near magadan
mircea_popescu: anyway, the deal'd only be interesting if it came with renounciation of ru sovereignity claims.
asciilifeform: this is also a thing, unofficially, but you gotta be chinese to play.
mircea_popescu: "buy enough land - get your own autonomous oblast" would be a decent deal.
asciilifeform: they have at least 1 going.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so i hear.
mircea_popescu: note the deeply pernicious nature of fiat pretenders. they'll yield, BUT ONLY TO ANOTHER ONE.
mircea_popescu: how exactly do they expect to not be massacred like the jews, when they behave exactly like the massacred jews ?
asciilifeform: 'the art of not being governed' had a lengthy and imho quite pointed discussion of this.
asciilifeform: all statists are in many important ways part of same octopus.
mircea_popescu: aha
asciilifeform: consider the usgtronic popular term 'failed state'
asciilifeform: typically it refers to pockets of actual freedom.
mircea_popescu: "we failed to state it"
asciilifeform: aha.
asciilifeform: 'failed state' is about hillary not daring to land there and derp on a podium.
mircea_popescu: quite so.
asciilifeform: not about sanitation, or whatever else practical thing.
mircea_popescu: much like "corruption". when derps destroy ro nuclear agency, it's fine. when derps organize booing of hilary's podium, OMAYGERD CORRUPT OFFICIALS
asciilifeform: or, elementarily, afghani, then iraqi, then libyan, then syrian, terrorists are usg-sponsored 'rebels' so long as they are setting the desired kind of controlledchaos fires.
asciilifeform: and after that - again 'terrorists'
asciilifeform: etc.
mircea_popescu: lmao til alecsandri (romanian poet) hated pushkin also!
mircea_popescu: apparently there's a lot of bad blood there. i had nfi.
mircea_popescu: "Fiind mai negru ca ţiganii ce-ai tot cerşit la noi cu anii, tu, cel primit cu dor de sus nici bogdaproste nu ne-ai spus. Cu dar de pâine şi de sare, cu vin din beciul nostru mare te-am ospătat. Iar tu în zori râzând, te-ai scîrnăvit în flori. Apoi prin codri de milenii ai tot umblat de dragul lelii. Ei, vezi atunci? Pun mâna-n foc: tu n-ai fost cal arab, ci porc!"
mircea_popescu: ~ darker than the gypsies (slaves, at the time), you spent years begging around here, you, well received yet failed to profer as much as thanks. we fed you bread and salt (i dunno, it's a romanian thing) and wine from our ample cave, but when the morn came you took a shit in the flowerbed, laughing. then through thousand year old forests walked to no apparent benefit (literally, for love of the ho), and so there you see : no
mircea_popescu: purebreed, but pig you are.
mircea_popescu: talented fellow, this, managed to get everyone pissed off.
asciilifeform: he had some pretty good trollage
mircea_popescu: anyway, the moldavians are apparently pissed because he said the boo boo about chisinau.
asciilifeform: the 'pig' remark was, i suspect, an answer to his thing that was in the spirit of http://www.contravex.com/2015/11/08/it-takes-more-than-time-it-takes-generations
mircea_popescu: not that a) i can even for a second imagine it wasn't entirely merited nor b) reached at any point the level of my disdain for argentinians.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dunno, really. it's a pot calling kettle black situation, neither side of this debate is in much position to claim cultural ancientitude.
mircea_popescu: moldavia is no transilvania much like the philippines are no japan.
mircea_popescu: god damned thing was created centuries ago. by the fucking maramures people, the rough equivalent of being the darian colony, founded by the scots.
mircea_popescu: darien*
mircea_popescu: here's something for the historian in alf! there's ancient statement of the principle, recorded in 1970 milwaukee journal : "You make yourself ridiculous by thinking you can do anything. The word is divided in two. The Russians and the Americans, no one else. What are we? Americans. Behind me there is the government, behind the government is NATO, behind NATO is the US. You can't fight us, we are Americans."
mircea_popescu: https://archive.is/r4dbW
mircea_popescu: spoken by greek military junta man to political prisoners.
mircea_popescu: amusingly, ended ~exactly same way the argentinian right wing military experiment ended : with the loss of an island
asciilifeform: from same page: '"First," he said, "because it is not fit that I should sit as a judge and nobody to be hanged; secondly, you must be hanged because you have a damned hanging look; thirdly, you must be hanged because I am hungry. There's a law for ye, ye dog. Take him away.'
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: ironically - democratic greece is a fucking eyesore when compared to "tyrannyzed" greece.
asciilifeform: what's the practical difference ?
asciilifeform: orc shithole then as now.
mircea_popescu: yeah, but at least the "common man" got beaten regularly.
mircea_popescu: catering to the common man is the capital fucking crime.
asciilifeform: but what was the palpable difference ?
asciilifeform: cheaper bauxite ?
mircea_popescu: purely aesthetic.
mircea_popescu: i'm a man of taste.
asciilifeform: lolk
mircea_popescu: here's the thing : bronco riding is a time-dependent event. do it for too short intervals, the bronco gets the idea it's tough.
mircea_popescu: once started, must be ridden to death. literally.
mircea_popescu: whereas all these shitty attempts - not a decade in greece, not a decade in argentina etc. bullcrap.
mircea_popescu: twenty years and 10% or more civillian casualties. THEN you'll see the difference
asciilifeform: dunno, made for a germany of capons
mircea_popescu: otherwise, it's just gonna be typical "democratic" drivel.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but that was teh intended effect neh ?
asciilifeform: or, not so anxious to move to modern ru? where they did 1000+ years
mircea_popescu: the bronco-country comparison breaks down
mircea_popescu: who could have predictered.
asciilifeform: perhaps i'm missing some detail.
mircea_popescu: (o btw, greece resigned from eu around this time)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform perhaps i am!
asciilifeform: waiwut?!
asciilifeform: just now?
asciilifeform: grexit?!
asciilifeform: brekekekekexit koaxit koaxit!1111111
mircea_popescu: nana, then.
mircea_popescu: during junta years.
asciilifeform: hm.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/fetlife-the-meat-market/#comment-117980 << looks like went in wrong thread ?
mircea_popescu: it's quite in-fucking-credible, to compare newsprint of 1970 to 2016.
mircea_popescu: heh i had the wrong page up.
thestringpuller: "Quite funny that a random altcoin exchange like poloniex is far more profitable than a company that has raised more than 100 million USD." << in coinbase "we need more money plz" news.
mircea_popescu: lol, they cautiously avoided noticing this while mpex was publicly traded, NOW it's a point of discussion ? color me flattered, what.
asciilifeform: #1 rule of derpatronics - dun EVER mention mpex
asciilifeform: in whatever context.
asciilifeform: next you'll wonder why forbes et al dun cite qntra.
asciilifeform: if you unmention it long and vigorously enough, it'll unhappen!111
asciilifeform: or sumthinglikethat.
shinohai: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-07#1498902 <<< sauce? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-07-07 18:42 thestringpuller: "Quite funny that a random altcoin exchange like poloniex is far more profitable than a company that has raised more than 100 million USD." << in coinbase "we need more money plz" news.
mircea_popescu: unhappenstance!
mircea_popescu: and now in the lulz of all time, argentine government pays youtube to advertise to argentinians about how 200 years ago they gained their independence "y lo es muy bueno"
mircea_popescu: luati o muie bai, independentii pulii.
shinohai: http://archive.is/inUi1 <<< this must be Qntra'd! The lulz
mircea_popescu: bwahahaha
mircea_popescu: stupidest shit ever
shinohai: "Freud suggested that the project's success or failure would be determined by the impact on those receiving welfare payments." which will be zero, I'm certain.
mircea_popescu: in the general sense, bitcoin taking over everything mainstream is unavoidable ; in the same general sense, various fiat pretenders etc doing most of the work involved for entirely no benefit is also how things work.
mircea_popescu: so... cheers.
shinohai: I kinda thought Bitcoin is supposed to *destroy* the welfare state, not perpetuate it.
trinque: poison kills well before the ratio of poison to person is 1
trinque: look at 'em imitate; it's cute!
phf: test
mircea_popescu: wtf is with phf lol
mircea_popescu: shinohai well, while the fiats last, they get to play.
phf: i'm tired of asciilifeform's abuse, i'm getting log recovery squared away
phf: squared out?
phf: something like that
mircea_popescu: cool deal.
ben_vulpes: phf: you square
mats: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 618.0, vol: 12077.46820124 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 604.559, vol: 11371.05227 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 618.7, vol: 68145.21388952 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 595.0, vol: 6.69 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 619.367936, vol: 48181.48080000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 617.87, vol: 2779.5680272 | Volume-weighted last average: 617.721224152
mats: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 619.09, Best ask: 619.94, Bid-ask spread: 0.85000, Last trade: 619.0, 24 hour volume: 68146.85134638, 24 hour low: 610.1, 24 hour high: 682.0, 24 hour vwap: None
pete_dushenski: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/07/06/many-americans-will-tell-you-having-kids-made-them-happier-theyre-probably-lying/ << ben_vulpes might have a foxy actress cum houseperson and a panda to call his own, but that doesn't make him happy!!elevan
pete_dushenski: blame the septagenarian struggle to lead the lemmings off the cliff or mordor's highest peak. or just blame potato science 'experts' spouting off about whatever the fuck happiness is in the first place.
pete_dushenski: "In 2012, the U.S. Department of Agriculture estimated that a middle-income American family is likely to spend $234,900 to raise a child born in 2011 to age 17. If the kid goes to college, that figure may double." << though half a mil on a sjw you couldn't bring yourself to kill would suck the life force out of a sultan.
pete_dushenski: "The good news, the researchers say, is that there is nothing inevitable about the parental happiness gap. And there may be some relatively achievable solutions for improving the happiness of American parents – like subsidizing childcare, or expanding access to paid vacation and sick leave." << moar socialism is the problem, researchers say. the solution ? even moarrrr!
pete_dushenski: right points at left saying "those solutions worked in the past, but times are different and they'd never work THIS TIME". left points at right saying "your solutions have never worked and will never work because the only thing that's changed is the colour of your smelly socks"
pete_dushenski: http://www.wsj.com/articles/how-was-your-smartphone-made-nobody-really-knows-1467832310 << in similar 'it's not whether we're effective but what's on the inside that counts' nyooz
pete_dushenski: $s fairphone
a111: 1 results for "fairphone", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=fairphone
pete_dushenski: huh. coulda sworn it was in here before. not the first i've heard of it but ah well.
pete_dushenski: looks like the last pre-halving broomstick is right on schedule
pete_dushenski: http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2016/07/yuval_levin_on_1.html << not a bad episode for the armchair anthropologist log reader. the girl and i took away different key messages (her : pure individualism leads to ruin, i : pure mega-statalism leads to ruin), but it was full of reasonably well-articulated arguments from inside the american echo chamber
pete_dushenski: of course, it would be given that russ roberts and yuval levin are both jooz.
pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-06#1498271 <--> http://www.contravex.com/2016/05/23/wrip-wrap/ ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-07-06 16:56 ben_vulpes: also panda?
pete_dushenski: $up luke-jr
deedbot: luke-jr voiced for 30 minutes.
pete_dushenski: in other titties, bitbet2 is finally ratcheting up their fee to 2% come august
pete_dushenski: and goddam frenchies beating ze germans. wtf was that about ? colour me unimpressed with the negroes in blue who only won because the crowds and refs won it for them
BingoBoingo: <pete_dushenski> blame the septagenarian struggle to lead the lemmings off the cliff or mordor's highest peak. or just blame potato science 'experts' spouting off about whatever the fuck happiness is in the first place. << Or give in and get a set of potato nails
BingoBoingo: $up Chicago Your city is a shithole
deedbot: Chicago voiced for 30 minutes.
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: stan would beg to differ.
trinque: ignoring unused arguments; it's a feature!
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Because Stan is used to the captital swamp region. Compared to that Chicago is likely paradise.
pete_dushenski: i think a wet cardboard box would be paradise compared to dc
pete_dushenski: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5clBF38sqqw << "you people"
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: DC is a swamp so wet box could very well be in DC
pete_dushenski: are potato nails that uncommon for bbq(ing) parents ?
pete_dushenski: seems like a sane way to cook the inside of the tater so it's not mushy and gross but wdik
pete_dushenski doesn't like baked potatoes, can't stand mashed potatoes
ben_vulpes: oh yeah
ben_vulpes: mine has an own
ben_vulpes: owl*
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: bitbet 'twas in the log!
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=05-07-2016#1451869 ☝︎
ben_vulpes: *a* log, at least.
pete_dushenski: ahahahaha dude... why would i be reading b-a logs ?
pete_dushenski: and a log is not THE log
pete_dushenski: i get that it's like 13sec of reading per day, but still.
ben_vulpes: causes not purposes
ben_vulpes: because kakobrekla takes such dreeeeeamy pictures
pete_dushenski: lol to each there own
pete_dushenski: their*
pete_dushenski: there's no their they're!
shinohai: Yup thought I'd never catch up on those #b-a lawgz lately
Joshua-I: Serious lag on deedbot for a min
BingoBoingo: Still faster than a fiat notary public
pete_dushenski: only because notary publics have nfi what lisp is
BingoBoingo: Sure they do. It's what counsin Sal(ly) picked up when zhe was on the swim team and show choir.
Joshua-I: True BingoBoingo last time I had to do that it was at least 15mins signing the thing not to mention the pointless talk before hand
trinque: deedbot is responding for me in about 1sec
mircea_popescu: $deed hellokitty
deedbot: Bad URL or network outage.
mircea_popescu: 10 seconds
trinque: $key trinque
deedbot: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/40787e16-7358-482d-833c-367a429ca03e/
trinque: depends on what ya command
mircea_popescu: trinque :D just trolling you a little
mircea_popescu: (i imagine this was a network timeout mostly)
trinque: halp internet bully
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform asnwer't!
pete_dushenski: http://www.nature.com/articles/srep27608 << in other 'why u so big' related matters
pete_dushenski: "Microscopic investigation suggests the possibility that the tip of the hyper-elongated penis is softer than the rest of it, and our numerical model confirms that this type of distribution of stiffness gradient aids in faster propulsion than other types. This result indicates that previously ignored physical properties of genital materials are of crucial importance in evolutionary studies of genitalia." <
pete_dushenski: < taaaaake it!!
mircea_popescu: heh
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-07#1498935 << more like a case of "ustards telling you something enmasse, they're DEFINITELY lying. much better odds they are saying it for some meta reason (such as, they read it in the latest cookbook, is the way to make friends out of plywood and influenza people) than for the direct. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-07-07 22:12 pete_dushenski: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/07/06/many-americans-will-tell-you-having-kids-made-them-happier-theyre-probably-lying/ << ben_vulpes might have a foxy actress cum houseperson and a panda to call his own, but that doesn't make him happy!!elevan
mircea_popescu: a nation of liars, as it were.
mircea_popescu: well... technically speaking word magicians, but the difference's negligible.
pete_dushenski: lying to themselves first, infecting each other with rabies second.
mircea_popescu: dap
pete_dushenski: so of course, "don't beat them, they're people too" persists. it's self-perpetuum-immobile!
mircea_popescu: potato science is right
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-07#1498937 << note that they conveniently left out the last year. as per multiple reports, THAT is the capper. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-07-07 22:14 pete_dushenski: "In 2012, the U.S. Department of Agriculture estimated that a middle-income American family is likely to spend $234,900 to raise a child born in 2011 to age 17. If the kid goes to college, that figure may double." << though half a mil on a sjw you couldn't bring yourself to kill would suck the life force out of a sultan.
pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2014/11/08/why-government-funded-research-is-totally-fucking-borked/ << 'potato science' ref for log readers
mircea_popescu: shinohai / BingoBoingo "improve it's security"
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: 'we'd share more recent data but it's an electionocution year and we're busy making bonfires out of our research'
pete_dushenski: after 2012, it's just write down the highest number our impoverished bureaucrats can count to and go with that.
pete_dushenski: no money for 'studies'
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: ty, fxd. Pls to check
pete_dushenski: https://security.googleblog.com/2016/07/experimenting-with-post-quantum.html << in still other 'your tax dollars at work' snooze