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mod6: I see this as even beyond the Eulora scenario, stretching out to any TMSR~ source; I just don't see a good way to solve it right now, other than being selective with who gets rights to see the $src.
mod6: I'd like to say, that I don't think that it's an over all /bad/ idea, I'm just not sure if it's a good idea either. I think this might just be a case-by-case basis.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-16 16:01 diana_coman: mircea_popescu, there is of course the fact that l1 is neither for life nor perhaps yet all that difficult to get in and out - I don't know whether this is a l1 matter or a s.mg board matter
mircea_popescu: i still don't know what promise is supposede to have been made!
mircea_popescu: i still don't see what this expense is to be here.
diana_coman: asciilifeform, hm, I don't follow/think it's an apt metaphor there
diana_coman: I honestly don't see why would it be a problem to share with x but not with y in l1
mircea_popescu: Mocky i don't imagine it's a firm "all l1 absolutely or no deal". it was just phrased exemplarily.
mircea_popescu: but even that aside, i still don't see wtf is wrong with "we'll produce sane binaries instead of waiting for whatever shit-kit rando luser has to spit out whatever it does".
mircea_popescu: like i dunno, don't up all idiots so they shiot the log. thart's not a confidence ?
diana_coman: asciilifeform, as I understand it, this is first and foremost a political statement; the gains are not from "oooh, you don't know my ugly code"
asciilifeform: i don't specifically know how mircea_popescu proposes to limit distribution of src . but , say, l1-ciphered encyclicals would count
mircea_popescu: i don't expect it lost anything. what did it gain ?
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, there is of course the fact that l1 is neither for life nor perhaps yet all that difficult to get in and out - I don't know whether this is a l1 matter or a s.mg board matter ☟︎
mircea_popescu: i do not presently believe it is ~possible~ to not to ; idiotic socialistoidisms aside. and no, i don't think the world, or even the garbage bin, of the "idealistic" "visionary" nonsense, either.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't aim, not to accomplish nor to anything. but i wrote it down! by numbers! what i imagine the outcomes to be.
mircea_popescu: i don't specifically know whether this would work well for systems work. but we're starting this discussion with a ~client~. 99% of people WANT the binary in thew first place.
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-15#1834795 << nah, no list yet. I've yet to successfully build a lisp, but alpine has sbcl, so I don't wager it's impossible. ☝︎
diana_coman: asciilifeform, you know, ~all that is *already* in the logs; but I don't know what sort of shoving and pushing and prodding will get him to really search for it
brazilish: problem: downloaded asciilifeform_blackhole_reads.vpatch and placed in patches folder, same for the sig file in .seals, then running ./v.pl p v trb054 makefiles.vpatch, but i don't get the patch in the src files
diana_coman: you can ask; I don't see the benefit to either of us in an answer
mod6: BingoBoingo: I'm gonna let you think about it for a few days if you need. Think about if you really want to take on major parts of this role. I think you ~can~ do it. But, I don't want you to feel overwhelemed or pushed into it either.
BingoBoingo: <mod6> I understand if this doesn't happen right away, but eventually, position will need to be filled. The offer stands, even if it stands for some time. << One way to handle this is... Take over what ben_vulpes on an interim basis and hand off tasks you don't have time for.
mircea_popescu: trinque i don't think you have any business getting involved, fwiw. you're doing great in your line, keep doing that.
mircea_popescu: i guess i just don't program enough.
mircea_popescu: ie, the female worldview : a) isn't she the goddess-ordained womb ? b) don't i need kids ? therefore c) i'd better give her all the moneys she says, what.
mircea_popescu: amusingly, apparently it also goes by the "i don't like anything about you!!!" name.
diana_coman: asciilifeform, BingoBoingo access to box & config confirmed; FG on ttysUSB0 had a wobble at first and I don't understand why: I ran the stty -F /dev/ttyUSB0 115200 raw -echo -echoe -echok and then tried dd iflag=fullblock if=/dev/ttyUSB0 | hexdump -C but nothing came up; then I ran the stty on usb1 as well and tried again and it...worked; any idea wtf was that at first? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: i don't think i ever saw a pipe live a whole month.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the important point ~everyone~ (and i don't mean in pantsuitland, at all. it's not the "gender wars" people, it's the "scientists" and "engineers" and whatnot) avoids like snails avoid salt is that THEY WERE WRONG.
mircea_popescu: it's funny, though, i spent the 90s thinking "oh, man, videoconfereincing will be SO COOL!!!" and then the 2010s going "fuck you and your stupid camera, get on irc like normal people. i really don't need to see you sweat."
mircea_popescu: the sooner i don't have to hear pdf anymore the better.
trinque: mod6: yep don't see any inbound yet. I will likely be asleep when the required confirmations roll in.
phf: nah, i didn't go as far as motherboard removal. i was thinking this might be heat issue, but that would be out of the box, and the pattern don't really correspond to heating
mircea_popescu: this may well be. i just don't get why.
phf: i don't know what a by file processor is
mircea_popescu: i don't understand this, you mean patch A having changes a, b, d, e (ie, 4 different patch sections) and B having c, d, e, f ?
phf: well, i kind of dig the emergent v graph behaviors, so i don't mind it either way, though btcbase doesn't press cleanly either (^ "all extant V's"). nothing keeping one from tacking on additional state to a crystalized vpatch either, and then you're stuck with another "though shall not, because reasons"
phf: if you want to reduce the problem to a "don't do this" policy, then it stems from repeated hunks across multiple vpatches, i.e. if you have two or more vpatches that have identical state transitions. something like that is bound to happen when you're attempting to port a feature between branches, as is the case with vtools. (i.e. you patched foo.c in one file "remove broken behavior", you now want to also introduce same fix to the other branch)
diana_coman: basically people can bid more btc , not more $ so I don't see how is this meant to work
BingoBoingo: I don't know if Costa Rica gets cold in the way Uruguay does
a111: Logged on 2018-03-07 19:18 mircea_popescu: esthlos i don't get it, you're going to take a stab "at it" ie making a textfile, the sort that only carries any sort of weight or importance if a) you're somebody and b) you're doing something important, in between whenever your fiat job permits you a few hours here and there ?
mircea_popescu: what ~i~ don't understand is why every, ~EVERY~ design decision gotta be re-argued again, soviets style, with every fucking implementation every single time.
esthlos: gah. hope I don't suck, then
mircea_popescu: psssssh. i don't.
mircea_popescu: a minimal os + custom built fs (doubling as bitcoin specific db ; possibly written as raid firmware at least in part) + proper net driver (i really don't need iptables ad-hoc scripting lang to do what evidently and universally bitcoin node has to do) + grandfather pistols bitcoin code => an actual definitive package.
mircea_popescu: i don't understand how they propose anyone use those things. "here's a pile of very important features that you must turn off one by one in order to get the box bacl"
diana_coman: or there's something I don't quite follow there
mircea_popescu: yes it's fundamentally stupid ; but superficially sane. and in a world that's fucking stupid throughout, the "i don't give a shit what they started with, they have x y z working processes" is quite tempting.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform don't remind me, i am $1000 dollars into the adventure of finding underwear for myself.
mircea_popescu: i dunno dood, i don't fucking remember having to explain anyone how to use webirc in 1998.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo understand, i don't even necessarily mean "sell webhosting". don't open a conversation by a pitch in any case anyway.
mircea_popescu: trinque ok so then why wouldn't i use it ? would you rather not have it tested or i don't get it ? idea here was to put the item into work see what comes out.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform eh, he doesn't want to have to support that and i don't want to use unsupported release.
trinque: the sad creatures aren't being given anything to do, which would prompt the "ah shit, I don't even own a proper pair of underwear^W^W^Wcomputer"
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo btw, i don't get it, why the fuck would some bar apologize for pick-a-whore offering a free trick ?!
a111: Logged on 2018-07-03 23:49 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-03#1831586 << i don't recall, is prostitution legal there too ?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-03#1831586 << i don't recall, is prostitution legal there too ? ☝︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: there's been a definite uptick in schmucks trying to pretend they're me on fetlife. and i suppose similarly on obscure webshits i don't know about.
diana_coman: lobbes, I don't follow; I paid the Q1 invoice http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-18#1802318 so what bundled? ☝︎
mircea_popescu: but i don't believe you when you say there was no cheese.
mircea_popescu: i don't follow
BingoBoingo: I give it 25% odds I get the chairs tomorrow versus 75% odds I don't get the chairs and they lose their ability to accept paypal
mircea_popescu: i don't mind helping with the unobvious, but exactly what occured will occur again, "omfg, that was so obvious, where is it" sorta problem.
esthlos: I'd be happy to be the librarian, though could imagine a system where the bot allows trusted users to "push" summaries or tags. curation is a necessity, but I don't doubt others can produce much better summaries than I
asciilifeform: last yr i bought what claimed to be an original unit, from warehouse. croaked in coupla weeks. ( li-ion cells -- don't keep )
a111: Logged on 2018-06-21 16:26 Mocky: ok well, thanks. hopefully that doesn't curse me. but also i "have" "bitcoin" in various dark markets that i want to actually own and I don't trust them to send accurate decimal to trinque's walletron
mircea_popescu: (for completeness, the response, too long to fit in the usual style : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/BGbUw/?raw=true tl;dr of course http://trilema.com/an-examination-of-conflict item ; in this case "i don't want to join a cult" stands for "i am already a proud member of the cult of inutility and won't be getting out".
mod6: I don't know shit about BDSM, but I'd gather if one slut wants to submit, she wants to submit. Not have a debate about how someone needs to earn the submission.
mircea_popescu: it's difficult however to illustrate just how deeply the self-delusions go. i mean, by example : changed4good 21F Little "Now why would i serve you? You havent earned my submission. In fact i dont know you one bit and clearly you dont know me by your comment." LordMPofTMSR "'Earned' your submission ? Get over yourself. The fact that you don't know me is a) your fault of which b) you should be ashamed and c) working to remedy
mod6: mircea_popescu: well, after thinking about it a bit, I don't remember seen "booths" like I was thinking of there. was at least 15 years ago though.
mircea_popescu: i never taught anyone how to drive, i don't even drive myself.
mircea_popescu: i don't see this.
mircea_popescu: not at all. what, i don't give physics crash courses upon admission.
mircea_popescu: but i suspect you will rue this day if you were to actually get your way, and at some point in 2118 all the work available consists of "try and write this thing from tree y for tree z, we don't currently know why it's a broken polymorphism to the x tree"
asciilifeform: i cut winblowz #ifdefolade out of trb because i did not read it and don't intend to.
phf: well, in principles i'm not buying the untested code signing argument, because we don't have a universal measure for what code signing indicates. you've attempted to solve that problem, but it's not been used by anyone. i think right now effectively code signing works like a wot rating, without a rating. you have to consult with the signer to discover what the intent was.
mircea_popescu: i don't get the hairbrushes twist. is cocaine supposed to look like dandruff or what ?!
BingoBoingo: In other news the Junkie from http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/03/02/notes-from-observing-a-latino-junkie-on-vacation/ is back. I don't know what the fuck happened to the apartment he "bought" in Punta Del Este. Of all the people from earlier who could have returned before I left it had to be the scumbag trying his very hardest to die.
ben_vulpes: i definitely don't know how to organize or drive sales, doing what i see needs doing, and what gets suggested to me, and float my own (bad) ideas. i'm in no way attached to "fiat things". because the exchange rate is eroding capitalization so brutally i thought it worthwhile to take another one on the chin in case this particular bad idea had some flake of merit in it.
mircea_popescu: so is the idea your contribution sums up to "i don't know how to organize sales and why don't we do more fiat things" ?
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo and lobbes have been working the hosting forums, i don't know what 'funnel' to put together other than get folks to sign into the #pizarro chat room and get them accounts
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> BingoBoingo: can you buy amazon gift cards for cash in uruguay? << I can look. Since people tend to do Amazon through intermediaries here I don't suspect there's much of a market for the gift cards.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the "how to cut" piece is the controlling element here, because i don't even recall if we came up wioth a definitive answer.
mircea_popescu: i recall a very early item, i don't expect much value buried there but lessee
trinque: wont be able to press a "makefiles" + manifest until that subsequent patch, but I don't really see a problem with that
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-26#1829682 << i don't get it, you can't add new files for some reason ? this wasn't my impression ? ☝︎
mircea_popescu: i don't recall exactly figures etc, but the 0.1% republican tax is rather inspired by the mongol approach to government
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-26#1829650 << i don't recall where this was discussed. was it ? ☝︎
mircea_popescu: and they're doing exactly that, and it's reasonable as it ever was, and i really dun see wtf the orlov's all about. "here's what i don't understand about astronomy" "ook ?"
mod6: ah, then nothing i can think of. don't know what i was on about there.
trinque: phf: harping on it because I don't see evidence that reason for the manifest has been internalized
mod6: i'll regrind the whole trb tree. however, I think if we -must- do this, we should only do it one time. and i really don't even want to do it at all.
phf: apparently the reason i don't remember getting the archive is because there was no archive. "release ... is planned" "i'll publish ... before i do that ..."
mircea_popescu: try as he might (not that he does), /me can't summon any sympathy for the "oh, it should be someone else's job, if i see police coming in i don't pick a rifle and man a post, hurr" barnacles.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> mod6: by all indications you have a box with iron problem. in your place i'd get a fresh set of iron, rather than sinking sweat into interpreting randomly flipped bits as 'bug' << yeah for sure, it certainly could be related to the disk issue. I don't really think it's a 'bug' or anything.
epony: don't know, I'll read on for now..
mircea_popescu: mod6 unless he set up a minimum fee somewhere, though i don't recall how exactly that all works.
mircea_popescu: or, in recent quotes, "I don't believe that I am the right person to join your lifestyle. Especially since I am very new to this side. I don't have experience and your lifestyle seems a bit intimidating for me, as a beginner."
mircea_popescu: for my own needs i go with "neet who '''learned things''' from websites". there's a significant contingent of these, and they all behave the exact same way because they never were in school and so they don't have reflexivity in their toolbox. you propose to just ban the whole class ?