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assbot: nam-shub +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
benkay: !up nam-shub
benkay: hey there
nam-shub: thanks benkay, just looking to see if mp and mpex.co split or just mpex.co
benkay: split?
benkay: apparently mpex went down today
nam-shub: as in hasta luego
nam-shub: suckas
benkay: ah yeah i think mp's out
benkay: mircea_popescu: ping
benkay: ;;gettrust nam-shub
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask nam-shub!~nam-shub@67.174.198.159. Trust relationship from user benkay to user nam-shub: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=nam-shub | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=nam-shub | Rated since: never
benkay: well sheeeeit and who are you?
benkay: feel free to castigate me for noobery if that's appropriate
nam-shub: New name, for a new secret project
nubbins`: fun
mike_c: once a year the mpex raid array goes on summer vacation.
nam-shub: gettrust bloctoc
mike_c: ah, more fuel for BingoBoingo's summer heat theory.
nam-shub: ;;gettrust bloctoc
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask nam-shub!~nam-shub@67.174.198.159. CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Trust relationship from user bloctoc to user bloctoc: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 3 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=bloctoc&dest=bloctoc | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=bloctoc | Rated since: Tue Oct 29 20:18:14 2013
mike_c: ;;ident nam-shub
gribble: CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'nam-shub', with hostmask 'nam-shub!~nam-shub@67.174.198.159', is identified as user 'bloctoc', with GPG key id ABFF7572BA373348, key fingerprint 2DD75790350D7D689339038DABFF7572BA373348, and bitcoin address None
mircea_popescu: benkay sup
mircea_popescu: justusranvier i guess that's a point, i should wipe trilema twitter links huh
mircea_popescu: mthreat just been for a spin around 9 de julio. not *that* crazy
mircea_popescu: nam-shub http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-07-2014#750994 ☝︎
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
mthreat: mircea_popescu: i watched the game at the big screen at plaza san martin... it was crazy
justusranvier: mircea_popescu: you need to at least repost your "Coinpeople bitplease..." rant somewhere else so I can link to it when appropriate.
mircea_popescu: mthreat a, the luxurios life of the rich.
mthreat: if they somehow beat ze germans, it'll be crazy for 24 hours
justusranvier: That's one of my favorite tweets ever.
mircea_popescu: i've been mostly conferincing lol. gotta earn a living.
mthreat: mircea_popescu: it was free
mircea_popescu: mthreat you got your time :D
mthreat: mircea_popescu: futbol para todos
nam-shub: thanks for that mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: justusranvier i think i have atwitter dumpo somewhere
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: because no one else asked, i will. what did herr xapo say when you added him to s.derp ?
mircea_popescu: if he said anything it'll be in tomorrow's summaries. i've only been talking to techs and spooks today
benkay: who is mfoundry?
nam-shub: bought by FIS global
benkay: o o
nam-shub: lots of fluorescent lighting
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: techs and spooks << anybody dump the hdd firmware ?
benkay: it's just a ruse to convince us that mp isn't an nsa plant
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 30 @ 0.03079906 = 0.924 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: wait wut
benkay: ;;rate rye 3 responsible, efficient, honorable.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user rye has changed from 2 to 3.
benkay: friendly fud
mircea_popescu: rye ?!
mircea_popescu: is this some ellaborate whiskey joke ?
benkay: mircea_popescu: you are the best candidate for the Frank Costello of bitcoin.
benkay: no man
benkay: he works for me
mircea_popescu: wait, was costello the stupid one ?
benkay: costello was the rat.
benkay: the one who survived by ratting out the competition for 20 years.
benkay: rye's doing the haich tee em ells and jay-esses on http://console.smartvineyards.net
assbot: Smart Vineyards
mircea_popescu: wasn't he the PM ?
benkay: prime minister?
TheNewDeal: demo not loading :(
benkay: turn on js.
benkay: also, chrome.
mircea_popescu: justusranvier http://www.datafilehost.com/d/635199a2 is a full twitter dump from late march, if you care.
assbot: Download tweets.zip
justusranvier: thanks
benkay: lol 5.4 mb of tweets
mircea_popescu: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5b/Frank_Costello_-_Kefauver_Committee.jpg << not bad.
mircea_popescu: benkay it may have exscaped your notice, but im verbose.
TheNewDeal: I am using chrome, JS hasn't been turned off
benkay: fascinating. privacy/adblocking?
TheNewDeal: not running any of that stuff
TheNewDeal: errr
TheNewDeal: kaspersky 10
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 20 @ 0.03079906 = 0.616 BTC [-]
TheNewDeal: seems like kaspersky isn't doing anything to restrict web
TheNewDeal: I have had trouble seeing bitcoincharts charts in chrome though, so might be my pc
mircea_popescu: btw, the song of the street here is " Brasil, decime qué se siente, tener en casa tu papa"
benkay: TheNewDeal: anything interesting in the console?
TheNewDeal: worked this time
benkay: hahaha
benkay: k, great.
benkay: worst part about js app development is the "try refreshing?" debugging method.
benkay: all this nasty state buried in the browser
TheNewDeal: try refreshing is better than "Have you tried turning it on an off again?"
benkay: it's the 2014 version of above
benkay: hey is blockr -assets blessed these days?
benkay: and on the converse, has blockchain.info lost its?
decimation: mircea re: US oil reserves: http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-oil-20140521-story.html
assbot: U.S. officials cut estimate of recoverable Monterey Shale oil by 96% - Los Angeles Times
decimation: I'm sure that they used the power of science to err by 96%
mircea_popescu: mineral reserves are always iffy business.
mthreat: mircea_popescu: no chaos? here's the crowd on a city bus (and the bus didn't stop) - https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10152582727778245
mircea_popescu: my flash is not good enough, but anyway. mebbe we mean different things by chaos.
TheNewDeal: and wti jumps nada
mircea_popescu: buncha people out singing. not like they burned a car or anything.
mthreat: well there's good chaos and bad chaos
mircea_popescu: :p
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal wti is not shale.
decimation: 1970's era schematic CAD machine: http://vimeo.com/75532300 - uses various light masks to etch photoresist film, which is then developed and printed
assbot: The Diagrammer by Mergenthaler - 1970 on Vimeo
TheNewDeal: could west texas intermediate be a derivative of shale oil?
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal nah. and besides, it's been going crazy with respect to both brent and the middle east sorts.
mircea_popescu: wider spreads past coupla years than ever seen.
TheNewDeal: isn't there a relatively large premium of brent vs wti lately/
mircea_popescu: yes.
TheNewDeal: gotcha
mircea_popescu: los_pantalones http://touch.latimes.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-80262994/ << that's a good one.
assbot: LA Times
decimation: I wonder if this has to do with the oil distribution infrastructure in the us
mircea_popescu: decimation if it does, it hadn't for 30 years or so prior.
decimation: yeah, but the us hasn't been close to an oil exporter for that period
decimation: it will take years to build the pipelines to the areas that need them, and it will be even more years of political stalemate preventing the investment
mircea_popescu: what do you mean ? both canada and mexico have been exporting ?
decimation: e.g. http://www.sacbee.com/2014/07/08/6541363/crude-oil-train-protests-planned.html
assbot: Crude oil train protests planned in Sacramento, Davis - Our Region - The Sacramento Bee
decimation: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-02-29/u-s-was-net-oil-product-exporter-in-2011.html
assbot: U.S. Was Net Oil-Product Exporter for First Time Since 1949 - Bloomberg
mircea_popescu: jesus the economy is doing that bad ?
mircea_popescu: i guess 2 a gallon was unsustainable after all.
decimation: and the "people" think they have the luxury to protest oil moving through their town
mircea_popescu: sure they do.
mircea_popescu: “The reason we can export so much is demand in the U.S. is weak,” Cohan said. Since 2005, the U.S. has lost nearly 2 million barrels a day of total product consumption, he said.
mircea_popescu: ouch.
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 2 * 4 * 365
gribble: 2920
mircea_popescu: what's three billion.
decimation: it seems to me that if oil is so cheap, it should be burned for power, but I suspect USG has banned that too (to do it cheaply)
decimation: http://necoalition.org/necn-board-calls-moratorium-oil-trains/
assbot: NECN Board calls for moratorium on oil trains - Northeast Coalition of Neighborhoods
mircea_popescu: you have any idea how dirty crude burns ?
TheNewDeal: not sure, but it tastes to light and sweet
decimation: yeah, that's why ships are so nasty
mircea_popescu: ships mostly burn diesel.
decimation: I suspect if you tried to build a new refinery to burn it more cleanly they would protest that too
decimation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_oil#Bunker_fuel
assbot: Fuel oil - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
decimation: The most common residual fuels in the shipping industry are RMG and RMK.[4] ,,, Ships with more advanced engines can process heavier, more viscous, and thus cheaper, fuel.
mircea_popescu: note that 1-4 are distilates.
decimation: yeah, it's probably the shit that comes out the bottom of the refinery stack
mircea_popescu: pretty much
mircea_popescu: but anyway, ships are burning more and more diesel because of sulphur limitations
mircea_popescu: afaik by 2015 they'll burn nothing but.
decimation: if there is enough refinery capacity to make it
decimation: the same environmentalists would gladly shut down a gas plant "because environment" and thus force the old coal plant to burn
mircea_popescu: well no, not the same.
decimation: that's true, in the end it's entitled nimbys who think they can tell others what to do on their own land
mircea_popescu: neighbourhood 1 gets together to "do something for environment", blows up all the leaves with leafblowers. N2 pledges to stop eating beef so as to help reduce cowfart methane production. the importers normaly supplying them suffer a shock, a bunch of meat is discarded.
decimation: which is also the government's fault, because the land-use regulation in the US has effectively short-circuited the nuisance tort process
mircea_popescu: n3 is a small consumer with a large gas plant. they picket it and it's closed. large industry down the road needs power so even further coal plant is brough back online.
mircea_popescu: the result of idiots being politically involved.
decimation: exactly so
mircea_popescu: this has been known since forever as the noble lie. ie, most people have no fucking business giving their opinion in the forum.
decimation: a much more rational system would be this: your neighbor opens coal plant, pays you damages for blighting your skies, business is taken care of
mircea_popescu: they may mean well and act honorably, but they're fucking peas in the field. no way to know enough to form a meaningful opinion.
mircea_popescu: decimation there's no practical way to evaluate blighted skies. and the chinese don't wan to pay mongolia or w/e
decimation: but in the us, remote third parties suddenly have standing to tell you how to run your business
decimation: right, it's a subjective problem negotiated between rational property owners
decimation: in the us you don't have property owners or rationality
mircea_popescu: it's not really negotiable.
mircea_popescu: as i generally tell my neighbours that listed to the music too loud, "either turn it off or i'm going to kill you".
mircea_popescu: and as i tell my neighbours that complain about my music, "either get lost or i'm going to kill you"
decimation: lol well there's a certain level of tolerance required to have civilization
mircea_popescu: but the point is this is not negotiable.
mircea_popescu: the op has nothing to offer.
mircea_popescu: negotiation is, "i'll give you this silver for that pear"
mircea_popescu: if you don't like it you keep your pear and i keep my silver.
decimation: I guess this is where you go to the King and plead your case
mircea_popescu: see ?
mircea_popescu: there's no way to resolve the silence dispute without recourse to violence.
mike_c: you could pay them. you want silence, they want money.
mircea_popescu: mike_c suppose you're in a restaurant with a chick you're trying to impress.
decimation: it seems to me that the general self-restraint of the population is important here
mircea_popescu: lemon band is playing awfully badly, so you pay them 20 mn to stfu
mircea_popescu: xapo opens two feet away.
mircea_popescu: trust me. you can't do it without violence.
mircea_popescu: decimation that "self restraint" is your circular way of begging violence
mircea_popescu: "i don't have to beat them personaly but merely remind them of how their parents beat them"
mircea_popescu: well... what if their parents didn't ? what if it's the united states of chimpanzees ?
decimation: yeah I think Carlyle would agree with you: "Deduct what they carried with them from England ready-made, -- their common English Language and that same Constitution, or rather elixir of constitutions, their inveterate and now, as it were inborn, reverence for the Constable's Staff; two quite immense attainments which England had to spend much blood, and valiant sweat of brow and brain, for centuries long in achieving; -- and what new
decimation: elements of polity or nationhood, what noble new phasis of human arrangement, or social device worthy of Prometheus or of Epimetheus, yet comes to light in America? "
mircea_popescu: decimation moreover, the market is provedly awful at allocating silence. london was nothing but a gray mist for most of modernity.
mircea_popescu: generally as cixi aptyl observed, capitalism is fucking loud.
decimation: yeah I don't see any way out of the problem other than having a king/judge make subjective decisions backed up with the threat of violence
justusranvier: https://twitter.com/JustusRanvier/status/487065835681234946
mircea_popescu: so you know... for all the conservative displeasure with the global government...
mircea_popescu: justusranvier lmao awww, and i didn't even get to sell any d.cbse
decimation: we already have global government, it seems to me. my objection to it is its horrible cost/benefit ratio - the problem mostly being the ungovernable masses
mircea_popescu: well because it's trying to solve problems that it has no business being involved in.
mircea_popescu: but mind that the eu was quite successful while it limited itself to imposing things like the euro1-2-3-4 car emission standards.
decimation: actually I think the idea mix of government is weak global regulation below strong local soverignty
mircea_popescu: that didn't parse.
decimation: well, it's true that sovereignty is binary, either you rule or you don't
mircea_popescu: decimation suppose i have a slavegirl. am i sovereign over her or aren't i ?
decimation: depends which government you live under, but assuming anarchy, I would say you are
mircea_popescu: as an aside, mpex update : hardware changed and tested, os installed and failed. os reinstalled and failed. hardware retested and failed (!!!). hardware rechanged. tested, passed, tested, passed, os resintalled, tested.
mircea_popescu: things are progressing smothly in the manner of fml.
mircea_popescu: decimation so suppose i want to go down on her and she says her period started this morning. can i now order her to unperiodize herself ?
decimation: obviously this is an impossible task, and you are not in a position to demand such a thing from nature
TheNewDeal: what does that have to do with sovereignity?
mircea_popescu: i thought you had just said i was sovereign.
mircea_popescu: tell stalin it can't be done, not me.
TheNewDeal: you could still go down on her, that's your sovereign power ;)
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal is flying an impossible taks ?
decimation: re: upgrades http://xkcd.com/349/
assbot: xkcd: Success
TheNewDeal: depends on your definition of flight
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: can i now order her to unperiodize herself << minor nitpick. this is actually possible.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not retroactively.
asciilifeform: ;;google menstrual extractor
gribble: Menstrual extraction - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menstrual_extraction>; Menstrual Extraction | WomensHealthSpecialists.org: <http://www.womenshealthspecialists.org/self-help/menstrual-extraction>; Menstrual Extraction - Sister Zeus: <http://www.sisterzeus.com/MenExt.htm>
mircea_popescu: no dude i don't want an ersatz.
decimation: you make a good point mircea, human sovereignty is always tragically limited
mircea_popescu: i mean, the girl being a good slave may die trying
mircea_popescu: but the interface between sovereignity and productivity is iffy at best.
mircea_popescu: xerxes famously ordered the hellespont around, for that matter.
mircea_popescu: they *did* whip it for failing to obey.
asciilifeform: actually you can order reality around. it just takes a while to figure out how to speak the language to 'order' in.
asciilifeform: i.e. technology
asciilifeform: it's that, or 'whip the sea'
mircea_popescu points stan to chapter 20ish of the book in question.
mircea_popescu: what'd bobynin say to abakumov ?
asciilifeform recalls that xerx ordered the hellespont not only whipped, but... branded
mircea_popescu: i think so yeah
decimation: technology (in certain respects) has been getting better, but it seems to me the problems faced are "np-hard"
mircea_popescu: it's not even scientific, for that matter.
mircea_popescu names decimation the new head of the secret service. order #1 : arrest all the dissenters so that the population remains > 0.
decimation: suicide with wooden sword is in order
mircea_popescu: over a political problem ?!
mike_c: ;;calc (193000 / [ticker --last]) - 314.6
gribble: -3.81095008052
decimation: well the solution to your order lies somewhere between ghandi and stalin
mike_c: warren's losing.
asciilifeform: decimation: 'ghalin' ?
mircea_popescu: o hey, argentina made someone 30ish btc
mircea_popescu: decimation the solution obviously is, "make an ideology to which dissent is a self limiting condition"
TheNewDeal: wasn't it you?
mircea_popescu: mebbe.
mircea_popescu: buttcoins are anonymous.
mircea_popescu: bbl
decimation: good point
fluffypony: http://businesstech.co.za/news/general/62349/sa-to-fork-out-5-billion-for-brics-bank/
assbot: SA to fork out billion for BRICS bank
fluffypony: BRICS countries are getting a bank
mircea_popescu: fluffypony you should see the hq ICBC has here.
mircea_popescu: that said, the thing is quite retarded.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 30 @ 0.20393333 = 6.118 BTC [-] {3}
penguirker: http://www.coindesk.com/new-study-low-bitcoin-transaction-fees-unsustainable/ duh
penguirker: http://www.coindesk.com/former-us-mint-director-save-bitcoin-regulators/ not dumb
artifexd: In a world without assbot, only the other bots can speak... (Read in the voice of Don LaFontaine)
BingoBoingo: %t
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 224 Ask: 279 Last Price: 225 24h-Vol: 179k High: 225 Low: 225 VWAP: 224
BingoBoingo: %ob
atcbot: 39k@300 22k@299 722@279 | 50k@224 12k@221 300k@220
BingoBoingo: %d
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 785138.67 Est. Next Diff: 514955.60 in 1268 blocks (#40320) Est. % Change: -34.41
mike_c: logs are busted?
BingoBoingo: Well, assbot keeps them...
mike_c: yes?
pankkake: and he wasn't there
mike_c: but he is here now. and i don't see logs.
mike_c: oh. fine, make me look stupid. now it's logging.
pankkake: http://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=14/07/10/0351215 reposting my unlogged link
assbot: SoylentNews | Curve41417: New ECC Curve Bumps Speed/Security Baseline
[]bot: Bet placed: 1.7995 BTC for No on "Germany wins World Cup" http://bitbet.us/bet/993/ Odds: 63(Y):37(N) by coin, 64(Y):36(N) by weight. Total bet: 16.01404948 BTC. Current weight: 94,376.
HyperChetty: There’s that old joke in Washington: that the definition of a camel is a race-horse designed by a Congressional committee.”
fluffypony: lol
xmj: there we goo
HyperChetty: http://www.cujournal.com/news/tiny-atm-card-skimmer-blink-and-youll-miss-it-and-lose-50k-1022932-1.html
assbot: Tiny ATM Card Skimmer -- Blink and You ll Miss It (and Lose $50K) - Web Only Article | Credit Union Journal
HyperChetty: Germany took the dramatic step Thursday of asking the top U.S. intelligence official in Berlin to leave the country,
thestringpuller: ;;ident
gribble: Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net', is identified as user 'thestringpuller', with GPG key id 0FF2943DA179E169, key fingerprint 6ACE36E786F39A4ADC4506DE0FF2943DA179E169, and bitcoin address None
jurov: lol dramatic is the right word
mircea_popescu: !up punkman
punkman: https://blockchain.info/address/1AcAj9p6zJn4xLXdvmdiuPCtY7YkBPTAJo << what's up with "Warning! this bitcoin address contains transactions which may be double spends."
assbot: Bitcoin Address 1AcAj9p6zJn4xLXdvmdiuPCtY7YkBPTAJo
mircea_popescu: probably orphans
mircea_popescu: i dunno
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 310104 | Current Difficulty: 1.6818461371161112E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 310463 | Next Difficulty In: 359 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 7 hours, 56 minutes, and 52 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 17122068160.9 | Estimated Percent Change: 1.8052
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 50 @ 0.01438989 = 0.7195 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 45 @ 0.01439 = 0.6476 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2014/07/10/isis_uranium_iraq_rebels_seized_low_grade_nuclear_material_from_university.html
assbot: ISIS uranium: Iraq rebels seized "low-grade" nuclear material from university in Mosul.
Mats_cd03: nice
Mats_cd03: more rogue nuclear material in the wild
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.76646065 BTC to 11`815 shares, 14951 satoshi per share
Mats_cd03: ;;google nuclear terrorism the ultimate preventable catastrophe pdf
gribble: Nuclear Terrorism: The Ultimate Preventable Catastrophe: <https://www.carnegiecouncil.org/studio/multimedia/20041116/5049.html/_res/id=sa_File1/Nuclear_Terrorism.pdf>; Nuclear Terrorism: The Ultimate Preventable Catastrophe - Council ...: <http://www.cfr.org/terrorism/nuclear-terrorism-ultimate-preventable-catastrophe/p7410>; Graham Allison: "The Ongoing Failure of Imagination" - ABC (1 more message)
Mats_cd03: worth a read - discusses missing material incl some soviet suitcase size weapons
asciilifeform: Mats_cd03: only worth reading if there's a source other than alexander lebed circa 1997. ☟︎
jurov: ;;later tell mike_c in wol, adding 50% line into histograph would improve its readability
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mike_c: will do.
jurov: !up diatonic
jurov: !up JorgePasada
JorgePasada: !s Heyo
assbot: 11 results for 'Heyo' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=Heyo
jurov: !up ak_
JorgePasada: Anyone else in London right now?
fluffypony: no - what's in London?
jurov: !up jadne
JorgePasada: Coin Summit
jurov: !up chax
JorgePasada: I'd auth myself but I'm lazy :-/
JorgePasada: thx for the V
jurov: !up bitstein
JorgePasada: I'm lazy and I'd have to SSH into my box at home
jurov: !up samson_
fluffypony: ah ok
jurov: Who's there?
jurov: in london i mean
fluffypony: jurov: he said already - Coin Summit
fluffypony: and I presume he is
jurov: so who's talking and derping there?
fluffypony: no clue
bitstein: When will the conferences end...
JorgePasada: Yeah
JorgePasada: I'm at coin summit
JorgePasada: All the derps :-)
jurov: they'll never... but they could do at least something marginally useful, like gpg signing parties
JorgePasada: Yeah, thems fun
bitstein: "CoinSummit London is a two day event connecting virtual currency entrepreneurs, angel and VC investors, hedge fund professionals and others" - so... the worst of the Bitcoin community
JorgePasada: Also, what was some something about mpex listing bitpay shares or something?
JorgePasada: I saw something in a headline or something
JorgePasada: saying a thing like that
JorgePasada: but I didn't see it
JorgePasada: er
jurov: mpex gonnalist derivatives
JorgePasada: read it
jurov: in DERP section
Mats_cd03: someone knows something about something
jurov: same as the other ones
jurov: once they get their spinning rust right
asciilifeform: http://www.slate.com/content/dam/slate/blogs/the_vault/2014/06/25/LgGanglandMap.jpg
JorgePasada: Ah, just found it on Reddit
mircea_popescu: JorgePasada yeah, you can buy bitpay and other bitcoin ventures
JorgePasada: Apparently some idiot doesn't know how to title things
JorgePasada: What are you basing the derivatives on?
JorgePasada: I'm assuming that's what they all are, not actual shares
jurov: asciilifeform what's that. ankh-morpork?
asciilifeform: chicago.
Mats_cd03: bitfury vaurum icbit mastercoin foundation bitgo btcf ethereum @ coinsummit
Mats_cd03: plenty of derps in with the bidness crowd
BingoBoingo: jurov: asciilifeform: Notive running right through the middle of the place is that giant open sewer
jurov: yes, that's why i guessed ankh
jurov: but chicago, ic
HyperChetty: asciilifeform, change it a few names and it would be perfectly up to date
mircea_popescu: JorgePasada f.derp backs them.
jurov: gonna blog about derps... once this debilitating gastroenteritis pain subsides
JorgePasada: mats_cd03 I like one and a half, maybe two of those
mircea_popescu: bitfury's ok afaik
HyperChetty: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-jersey-28247796
assbot: BBC News - Jersey approves first regulated Bitcoin fund
jurov: !up CryptOprah
jurov: CryptOprah: tits 4 bitcoins?
punkman shakes titties for assbot
BingoBoingo: !up punkman
BingoBoingo: !up nam-shub
benkay: morning.
BingoBoingo: Mornin
thestringpuller: morning?
thestringpuller: i'm damn near done with my workday :P
benkay: my work day starts at 7, but i don't hit the tubes till ten or later.
HyperChetty: work is never done
benkay: hustle constantly
benkay: http://theconversation.com/bad-social-policy-not-ideology-is-to-blame-for-the-arab-worlds-downward-spiral-28632
assbot: Bad social policy, not ideology, is to blame for the Arab worlds downward spiral
benkay: i'm sorry, i don't understand the difference between said social policies and ideologies
mircea_popescu: wait what ? downward spiral ?
mircea_popescu: mptranslate : "the reason we're claiming the arabs are going down while they're clearly kicking our butts has nothing to do with [our] ideology and everything to do with SCIENCE! Honest!"
mircea_popescu: at this rate being a camwhore will be more respectable than being a scientist within our lifetimes.
benkay: http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/call-girl-accused-death-google-exec-wrote-facebook/story?id=24490129
assbot: Call Girl Accused With Death of Google Exec Wrote Facebook Post About 'Killing Sprees' - ABC News
benkay: beware the autoplaying video whose pause button doesn't work
benkay: http://technoccult.net/archives/2014/07/09/the-art-of-crxto/
assbot: The Art of CRXTO | Technoccult
BingoBoingo: benkay: The pause button works perfectly for its master's purposes
HyperChetty: <mircea_popescu> at this rate being a camwhore will be more respectable than being a scientist within our lifetimes.// I thought it already was
mircea_popescu: well, marginally, perhaps.
benkay: business partner's mother was in town recently, wanted to know what we'd pay for a master's degree
benkay: i told her that we have an inverted education incentive structure - the more school you've had, the less i'll pay you.
benkay: then she went off on the importance of education to what she does - shepharding 8 year olds around.
benkay: i declined to continue to conversation.
thestringpuller: and lemme guess benkay your future spawn is going to private school :P
benkay: actually i think i'm going to hire people to execute on curricula of my own design.
benkay: latin, ballroom, the classics, various kinds of combat ☟︎
benkay: later - maths, natural philosophy, debate
benkay: dumb context free puns dot com for today:
benkay: CannaBSD
asciilifeform: '...injecting heroin to Google executive Forrest Hayes and never trying to help or to call authorities when it was clear something had gone terribly wrong...'
benkay: http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/07/09/article-2685918-1F81EC6600000578-372_634x770.jpg
asciilifeform: say what you like about soviet apparatchiks - but they weren't dope fiends.
asciilifeform: incidentally, this is what a 'clean' hit looks like. none of the nailgun nonsense. exec gets slightly more than his usual dose...
asciilifeform: benkay: the more school you've had, the less i'll pay you << how does this work? do you hire detectives to ferret out folks with secret diplomas?
benkay: well i certainly don't hire masters degree holders to stand by the crank and turn it all day
jurov: asciilifeform ever heard about "alnagon"?
jurov: at least around here, some apparatchiks went on prescription meds
asciilifeform: analogous to soviet 'analgin' ?
jurov: perhaps.
benkay: analagous analgesics
benkay: analagous analgesics appetite for apparatchiks appears absolutely abnormal
asciilifeform: hmm apparently not. 'alnagon' is phenobarbital.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/mpex-status-update/
assbot: MPEx status update pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: <benkay> latin, ballroom, the classics, various kinds of combat << is this a woman you're raising here ?
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> incidentally, this is what a 'clean' hit looks like. none of the nailgun nonsense. exec gets slightly more than his usual dose... << only works on stalin, and execs who actually do drugs.
mircea_popescu: jurov caffeine / codeine / phenobarbital ?
jurov: yes
mircea_popescu: nuts.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if power supply issues can be ruled out entirely - it is entirely conceivable that zapping the drives was the actual goal of the enemy. why? perhaps to lead to new ones being bought from a diddled supply chain.
benkay: (and after all, there’s nothing wrong with changing keys once a year anyway) // what, mpex gets to rotate keys, but nobody else gets to rotate the keys they use on mpex?
benkay: humbug
pankkake: funny, just made the same comment
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in the immortal words of pesto, that ain't gonna work.
benkay: <mircea_popescu> <benkay> latin, ballroom, the classics, various kinds of combat << is this a woman you're raising here ? // statistically likely
mircea_popescu: benkay ok, ima have mpex charge mpex for it.
benkay: any of the above not necessary for either boys or girls?
mircea_popescu: benkay no, i just had a moment of drool at the thought someone somewhere is making me a dollie :D
benkay: no no, let me charge you, for it.
pankkake: I don't know what you are doing with the raids, but scrubing the raid and checking smart data regularly could probably reduce those kind of occurences
mircea_popescu: pankkake it's checked daily.
mircea_popescu: it most recently passed this morning.
pankkake: weird
mircea_popescu: no ?!
pankkake: my regular checks allowed me to replace drives before they fail, so just saying
thestringpuller: is mpex.co still down?
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller yes
jurov: pankkake: regardless of checks, ever had half of the drives fail aat once?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you have not previously installed cameras on the machine cabinet, now might be a good time.
pankkake: and WD was nice enough to exchange my last drive even though my evidence was thin
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and some cameras on the cameras box ?
thestringpuller: is trading down?
pankkake: jurov: anything's possible, I came close once but no
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller look a little up just added a report.
pankkake: the thing is, "once" is actually a long time, the time you can change the drive and rebuild
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: can't imagine it would cost much to have 'biorobots' monitor the cams in shifts.
mircea_popescu: pankkake this shit's supposed to take hotswapping for that matter.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if it won't cost much, then it won't cost much to have them... not monitor the cameras, for five minutes.
pankkake: I mean the time to obtain a hard drive if you don't have a spare (and the time to rebuild)
asciilifeform: lol
mircea_popescu: pankkake there were two spares ready to go, and the rebuild is seamless, no downtime.
mircea_popescu: (this actually happened a number of times, most recently about 3 days ago. i even said so, at the time)
pankkake: while you're rebuilding, you are in a vulnerable state. hence the "fail half at once" has a higher chance to occur than you would think
mircea_popescu: it took half an hour and was complete long before yesterday.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2014#746652 ☝︎
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
pankkake: takes 24h for me :( but I guess mpex doesn't have as much data
mircea_popescu: the trade engine doesn't really keep that much, plus, tons of memory and cpu, which i think helps.
pankkake: just store everything in memory
mircea_popescu: the difference between ram chips and ssd drives is mostly academic.
jurov: pankkake you insist it happened naturally?
pankkake: never said anything of the sort
pankkake: I would suspect something with the host
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: compared drive firmware before & after ?
pankkake: however, for raids with a lot of storage, drives failing all at once is more common than you would think
penguirker: New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/mpex-status-update/
pankkake: http://www.coindesk.com/netagio-launches-exchange-gold-sterling-bitcoin-traders/
assbot: Netagio Launches Exchange for Gold, Sterling and Bitcoin Traders
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the whole thing's being looked into.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: did the lookers-into ever deliver an interesting verdict from last time ?
asciilifeform assumes mircea_popescu has enough sense to decide whether to answer this
mircea_popescu: yeah, there were some naked pics of obama.
asciilifeform: lol
pankkake: does he have a big ding dong?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: clearly a provocation! everybody knows mr. o has duly used his 'dulap.'
asciilifeform: ;;google site:trilema.com dulap
gribble: Romanian bloggers, part 2 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2014/romanian-bloggers-part-2/>; BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 # Romanian ...: <http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/dicelist-romanian.txt>
pankkake: http://www.engadget.com/2014/07/09/refusing-to-decrypt-data-6-months/
assbot: Refusing to decrypt data for investigators gets student 6 months in jail
asciilifeform: pankkake: afaik this is SOP in the uk
pankkake: yeah - I just document all those cases
asciilifeform: in usa, it makes more sense to destroy the evidence (you'll typically get a long - but finite - sentence, vs. indefinite 'at the pleasure of the crown')
HyperChetty: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/australiaandthepacific/australia/10958728/Australian-judge-says-incest-may-no-longer-be-a-taboo.html
assbot: Australian judge says incest may no longer be a taboo - Telegraph
pankkake: cool
asciilifeform: more from the lulpharms: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/answer-sheet/wp/2014/06/13/mother-of-7-in-jail-because-her-kids-skipped-school-dies-in-cell/?wpsrc=AG0003360
assbot: Mother of 7 in jail because her kids skipped school dies in cell - The Washington Post
asciilifeform: http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/northern-virginia-officials-worry-cia-facility-may-scuttle-bid-to-land-fbi-headquarters/2013/03/23/867ce358-924a-11e2-bdea-e32ad90da239_story.html << oldie but goodie. fbi wants to relocate, can't - turned out that the proposed new site already contains cia torture chambers.
assbot: Northern Virginia officials worry CIA facility may scuttle bid to land FBI headquarters - The Washington Post
mircea_popescu: lol the dulap lives!
mircea_popescu: pankkake isn't calling it a "ding dong" the lulziest thing ever ?
pankkake: well yes
mircea_popescu: i lost an erection to the fact that chick went all "o look the ding dong" and then everyone spent the next half hour cracking up
HyperChetty: http://bigstory.ap.org/article/police-take-graphic-photos-teen-evidence
assbot: Police to take graphic photos of teen as evidence
mircea_popescu: pankkake it was actualy an hour and a half, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2014#746561 to http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2014#746652 ☝︎☝︎
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
pankkake: isn't that doubly illegal? asking for child pornography + 5th amendment
mircea_popescu: HyperChetty ahah that's just nuts.
mircea_popescu: srsly, "provide us with a pic of your penis" ?!
asciilifeform: incidentally, the current fbi bldg. is a titanic monster
asciilifeform: a true 'ministry of love'
asciilifeform: on account of its planned demolition, everyone should see it and marvel.
asciilifeform: and given as no one would go there just to see, here's some pics - http://imgur.com/2FIpuIy,FzMqMR9,NP0uzz5,IFSX1eE,HNMQjdq,bCs3u7l,pn5XiLa,nboYysE,ZOibTdz,2LXc9IW
assbot: Ministry of Love - Imgur
asciilifeform: there's even... a moat.
mircea_popescu: looks just like the "cultural center" of some obscure eastern soviet town
asciilifeform: (photo no. 5)
asciilifeform: this is the most 'soviet' achitectural marvel i've personally seen here.
asciilifeform: when you walk by, you can almost feel the weight of that penthouse.
pankkake: I don't know why, I like those soviet buildings
mircea_popescu: Alix Tichelman << joish whores ?!
asciilifeform: notice (photo no. 9) the 'visitor' door - nailed shut.
mircea_popescu: Investigators took Tichelman's fingerprints from the wine glass, according to KGO-TV. An obituary posted in the Santa Cruz Sentinel describes Hayes as a husband and father to five children.
mircea_popescu: "More than anything else he enjoyed spending time with his family at home and on his boat," the obituary said. "His brilliant mind, contagious smile, and warm embrace will be missed and cherished in memories by his friends and family."
mircea_popescu: well... that's one dumb wore ; perhaps not more than ANYTHING
mircea_popescu: https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/8247736320/hBF1E6920/ lol
asciilifeform chokes
HyperChetty: http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/07/10/scholarly-journal-retracts-60-articles-smashes-peer-review-ring/
assbot: Scholarly journal retracts 60 articles, smashes ‘peer review ring’ - The Washington Post
fluffypony: youch
mircea_popescu: ha!
pankkake: Journal of Vibration and Control <= scientific dildos
mircea_popescu: basically twitter/reddit/etc are the most successful of these "scientific journals" things/.
pankkake: they are a good example of "rent-seeking"
pankkake: as a scientist you have to be published by those things. and be cited
pankkake: no surprise some are trying to game the system
HyperChetty bets its more than some
mircea_popescu: waiting for the 8,5 million articles retraction by 1-2k "social sciences" publications due to a 50k strong peer fraud ring.
mircea_popescu: roughly equal to most of the english speaking "academia"
pankkake: http://cnsnews.com/mrctv-blog/craig-bannister/apollo-astronaut-climate-alarmism-biggest-fraud-field-science
assbot: Apollo Astronaut: Climate Alarmism Is the Biggest Fraud in the Field of Science | CNS News
mircea_popescu: "And, the amazing thing to people like me... is that there are people that believe the nonsense they're being fed."
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
rithm: let's start a peer review ring
mircea_popescu: i'd rather start a slug farm.
fluffypony: let's start a circlejerk!
mircea_popescu: what's wrong with the current one ?!
fluffypony: point
fluffypony: 15 - LOVE
HyperChetty: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nOr2H6Dupk
assbot: Elephants react to sirens after Hamas launches rockets into israel. - YouTube
mike_c: b-a peer review process: put an ID on each blog entry in blogs.b-a. if you have voice you can !rate a blog post. then bash-like page with best rated posts, etc.
mircea_popescu: no homo.
mircea_popescu: mike_c i think the most peer review that's happened to date was me slapping around benkay's employees.
mike_c: if we wanted such a process, which afaik nobody does.
mike_c: i peer review people that use too many footnotes.
mircea_popescu: there's been some unpeer review too, through which i ended up simpleminded psychotic and so, but...
mike_c: you do seem to get into it with benkay's staff. doesn't xmj work for him?
mircea_popescu: actually i suppose every time someone discusses someone else's blogpost here that's peer review
mircea_popescu: i think he lives in hipstertown, 1 hip street.
mircea_popescu: https://www.cert-bund.de/ebury-faq if anyone missed this btw
assbot: Ebury SSH Rootkit - Frequently Asked Questions
mircea_popescu: mostly for "The network of cPanel Inc.'s support department was compromised and machines used for connecting to customers' servers were found to be infected with Ebury"
HyperChetty: well I would wish disease on cPanel but it seems I am too late
HyperChetty: http://www.engadget.com/2014/07/09/refusing-to-decrypt-data-6-months/
assbot: Refusing to decrypt data for investigators gets student 6 months in jail
mircea_popescu: yup was in log!
fluffypony: so ANX basically just made Xapo worthless: http://debitcard.anxintl.com
assbot: ANX International Bitcoin Debit Card
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'ebury' << the interesting part is that the piece in the link is merely a payload. the actual anal opening through which the payload was inserted - was never, afaik, found.
asciilifeform: likewise - any idiot can compile a doctored sshd.
mircea_popescu: !s cpanel
assbot: 4 results for 'cpanel' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=cpanel
mircea_popescu: ^
asciilifeform: yes, i'm aware it is old news
mircea_popescu: no i mean, the hole being cpanel
asciilifeform: aah
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'Customers can change their keys as often as they wish. The more responsible actually do' << seriously, people eat the 30 btc cost ?
mircea_popescu: well, 20 really.
asciilifeform: aha refer bonus
mircea_popescu: i mean i guess you could technically not use old acct as a ref but why would you.
mircea_popescu: and why the hell wouldn't they ?!
mircea_popescu: you have any idea what a key refresh costs a serious entreprise ?
mircea_popescu: 20 btc to cover for mpex fee isn't even on the map.
asciilifeform: what a key refresh costs a serious entreprise << of course, this is well known. and also is one reason why 'serious enterprises' tend to get pwned regularly.
mircea_popescu: the unserious serious ones, anyway.
asciilifeform: lol
mircea_popescu: for that matter, what's that 20btc buy you, alternatively ? 1/85th of a second of superbowl commercial ?
mircea_popescu: an oil change on the corp jet ?
asciilifeform: a 20-reel pick-n-placer.
mircea_popescu: no. not it does not.
asciilifeform: well, a chicom one
mircea_popescu: that's what a 20 reel pick-n-placer costs stan's mom&pop picknplace emporioum
mircea_popescu: a corp trying to get one has prolly spend north of 10k just deciding whether it should be painted green or red.
asciilifeform had the good fortune to oversee more or less this process, knows this
mircea_popescu: well then whence all the suspension of knowledge lol.
asciilifeform: somehow i can't picture the folks buying 500 usd robot legs sitting on mpex
asciilifeform: still imagine it's full of humans
mircea_popescu: is this in the "i can't believe i know any dragons" category ?
asciilifeform: more like 'yeah he keeps a dragon in there, but most of what can be heard going in and out is motorcycles'
asciilifeform: not really disputing the dragon, it can be smelled.
mircea_popescu: the Silent Shadow Dragon
asciilifeform: just that it must be a bit of a grind for the bikers
mircea_popescu: +500 dmg, backstab x5, critical hit, meld in shadows.
Mats_cd03: sounds like wow
mircea_popescu: it is like... wow!
Mats_cd03: thats bad and you should feel bad
mircea_popescu: wait wut ?
Mats_cd03: not a pun?
Mats_cd03: or a...whatevers youd call it
mircea_popescu: yeah it was a pun.
mircea_popescu: so why shgould i feel bad for my wunderbar poon ?
Mats_cd03: now im the one thats lost
Mats_cd03: http://www.federalreserve.gov/newsevents/speech/fischer20140710a.htm 'things r all good, we got it'
assbot: FRB: Speech--Fischer, Financial Sector Reform--July 10, 2014
Mats_cd03: lie.
Mats_cd03: Regulators almost everywhere need to do more research on the effectiveness of microprudential and other tools that could be used to deal with macroprudential problems. 
Mats_cd03: It will be important to ensure that coordination among different regulators of the financial system is effective and, in particular, will be effective in the event of a crisis.
mod6: %p
atcbot: [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 0.02 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 5246.35 GH/s
benkay: <mircea_popescu> benkay no, i just had a moment of drool at the thought someone somewhere is making me a dollie :D // good taste is good taste
mircea_popescu: <Mats_cd03> Regulators almost everywhere need to do more research on the effectiveness of microprudential and other tools that could be used to deal with macroprudential problems.  << the best tool is for them to stfu.,
benkay: <mircea_popescu> mike_c i think the most peer review that's happened to date was me slapping around benkay's employees. // hey now that's a dangerous word to throw at americans
benkay: 'contractor', please. for the sake of my taxes.
mircea_popescu: s/employees/boyfriends
mircea_popescu: for the sake of nohomo.
benkay: my eyes
benkay: they do roll
mircea_popescu: anyone wanna recommend a tumblr equivalent ?
mircea_popescu: that site's too retarded
asciilifeform: afaik it's the only turd of its kind.
asciilifeform: uniquely demented
asciilifeform shows to pet, who reads it habitually, she nods
mircea_popescu: wait tumblr is the pic posting service.
asciilifeform: nope
asciilifeform: it's an uncommonly broken blogging service
asciilifeform: doesn't support comments, in the usual sense. instead, when you 'comment', it... reposts the turd on your own 'tumblr'
mircea_popescu: i just mean, one pic at a time picblogging stuff
asciilifeform: people actually post text there.
asciilifeform lends keyboard to pet to explain...
asciilifeform: it's a super weird blogging service
asciilifeform: i have seen the porn pics, but that's not all or even most of the site
mircea_popescu: the way tumblr works is that a post = 1 pic.
mircea_popescu: it's what i want.
asciilifeform: well okay. but that's not what tumblr is
asciilifeform: post = 1 through 10 pics, or a text post, or a video, or several different formats of text
asciilifeform: or 'reblogging' any of the above which is actually most common
asciilifeform: anyway. *steps away from keyboard now cause this isn't relevant*
asciilifeform removes pet from console, plants back on throne
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know you probably get the girl her own handle.
mircea_popescu: what is this medieval patriarchy
asciilifeform: pet: 'i dont wanna'
mircea_popescu: what is this feminist postmodernism!
mircea_popescu: (and i have more words, ftr)
HyperChetty: <mircea_popescu> what is this medieval patriarchy// uuh isnt that what you claim it should be??
mircea_popescu: no ?
mircea_popescu: incredible how actually useless the 2.0 web is.
kakobrekla: working on replacement
mircea_popescu: fingertrap them!
ThickAsThieves: <+mircea_popescu> i just mean, one pic at a time picblogging stuff /// instagram is what people use for this
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 167 @ 0.035 = 5.845 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: http://www.uif.gov.ar/uif/index.php/en/
assbot: uif.gov.ar - UIF
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves aty
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves re the uif thing, best part is their raport of activity. it has a 2000-2009 and 2010 - 2014 section, somehow this makes sense. scroll to page 6, admire the fines (multas in original)
mircea_popescu: issued / paid : 0 / 0 ; 218 mn / 250k
mircea_popescu: 250k is about... roughly 30 btc, at today's exchange. covers five years.
mircea_popescu: page 8 has other interesting statisticts. 156 cases, 9 convictions