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deedbot: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/06/14/if-not-one-thing-the-other/ << Bingo Blog - If Not One Thing The Other
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trinque: a111, put phf's vodka down!
mod6: :D
mircea_popescu: lmao wtf.
mircea_popescu: but, to put meat on http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-14#1825496 before cosmic rays fuck the wetware memory of it, the impetuus for c) was very much spyked, as per http://trilema.com/2011/economia-unui-joc-multiplayer-probleme/#comment-55648 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-06-14 18:34 mircea_popescu: it took me all of half week to find the bitcoin-otc in 2011, and this considering a) i hadn't been on irc in a decade ; b) i thought computers are idiotic and computer dweebs idiotic-er still for simply being involved with them ; c) was looking for sufficient cause to dismiss this bitcoin bullshit.
mircea_popescu: this very much ~wasn't~ the first mention of bitcoin on trilema, there's earlier march http://trilema.com/2011/de-ce-trebuie-protejat-angajatul/#comment-43648 and april http://trilema.com/2011/guvernul-cu-rata-de-succes-33/#comment-47237 mentions by a fellow named gheorghe ☟︎
mircea_popescu: these went nowhere because a) not directly related to something i was working in at the time and b) not nearly as well respected source in my eyes -- though perhaps the order's reversed. in any case, it was very much "guy i know raised a sorta-objection to the completeness of my research which had to be remedied", and if one thinks the bias in such a context is ever anything but "get rid of it" that one's very naive indeed.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the actual finding was july 22nd 2011 (as per authentic & historically accurate http://trilema.com/2013/noob-mp-or-how-it-all-began/#selection-1437.0-1437.47 ), which is to say THE NEXT DAY. no fucking half week.
mircea_popescu: it's very true that i'd have never given a shit had nobody said something to me about it on my blog ; but it's just as true that ~the reason~ i took that stance was specifically that someone ~was going to~ say something to me on my blog, about that as about anything else worth the note, because that's what i built it as for fucks' sake.
phf: please to disregard drunk a111
mircea_popescu: and so no, there's no fucking excuse. if one has an equivalent of trilema, that claim may only be permitted to stand IF IT IS FUNCTIONALLY EQUIVALENT. if it does the same thing. i think nothing of, picking randomly, orlovs' blog, or yarvin's blog, or you name the idiot, anil dash, fucktard mcdumbsticks, whatever, BECAUSE their blogs don't fucking work. and "i have a lot of '''traffic'''" isn't a working, and "i get paid to ad
mircea_popescu: vertise" isn't a working, and so fucking on.
mircea_popescu: and if one ~doesn't~ have the equivalent, because one is a nomad, one fucking finds things on his own. i get it, not everyone can own a castle, to wait for carts of grain to come in for the market. fine. BUT ONE STILL EATS.
mircea_popescu: this "i am a bum and i sit under bridge" thing is not a thing.
mircea_popescu: check out how fast i type now btw!!! i took a class!
mircea_popescu: i suppose the missing crown on this entire thread is to be had by coming back to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-06#1679600 / http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-14#1825478 and point out that currently accepted theorems, be they in physics, math, what have you, including whatever you wish to include, thales, archimedes, pythagora, descartes, gauss, WHATEVER aren't "things known to be true". ☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-06 15:09 mircea_popescu: which is how every god damned kid that was sexually abused through the process of socialist schooling (which is all of them -- education is education, and socialist school is definitionally sexual abuse of all children involved) ends up with the idea that newton sat down TO discover whatever he did (unimportant, really) and THEREFORE he did.
a111: Logged on 2018-06-14 18:26 mircea_popescu: hence the whole http://trilema.com/2017/is-it-still-rape-if-i-write-science-on-my-penis-first/ discussion and so on.
mircea_popescu: they're ~things not presently known to be false~, and in the case of physics they actually are "things we know are false but don't know where".
mircea_popescu: what fucking "want". managing to sit on a chair correctly is accomplishment enough.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'm not even convinced that 'purposeful newton' is artifact of socialist schooling; meatsacks without the exploratory instinct the gods gave dog, cat, rat, are doomed to believe in some variant of this
deedbot: http://www.dianacoman.com/2018/06/15/eucrypt-manifest-file/ << Ossasepia - EuCrypt Manifest File
diana_coman: phf, please add the last 2 patches of eucrypt: http://www.dianacoman.com/2018/05/03/eucrypt-chapter-13-smg-rng/ and http://www.dianacoman.com/2018/06/15/eucrypt-manifest-file/ ☟︎
asciilifeform: funnily enuff, seems like the earliest vtree to include manifest was : FG -- http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=fg
asciilifeform: ( admittedly, small )
mod6: mornin'
asciilifeform: ohai mod6
mod6: how goes today asciilifeform ?
asciilifeform: slowly.
mod6: yeah, same. need a coffee.
asciilifeform: dun in the literature last night re chip 'glitching' . for some reason everybody, to date, focuses on glitching ~specific~ instruction, rather than scrambling sram bluntly. ( to be fair, the blunt approach is only of any conceivable use if you can pre-emplace the nop slide, as is apparently possible on cr50 ) ; state of the open lit art seems to be the 'xbox 360' pill demonstrated in 2015
asciilifeform: *dug in
asciilifeform: focused emp , apparently , is a pretty good glitching method, but needs somewhat complicated instrument
asciilifeform: ( and the line between glitch and magicsmokerelease, is thin )
asciilifeform: can also glitch by manipulating clock, but it is not presently known whether cr50 has external clocking ( my current understanding is that it does not, but has internal oscillator )
asciilifeform: https://archive.li/uGNyx << a likbez re the latter .
asciilifeform: !#s metastable
a111: 10 results for "metastable", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=metastable
asciilifeform: ^ see also
asciilifeform: state of art afaik re emp probe , https://www.usenix.org/system/files/conference/woot17/woot17-paper-cui.pdf ( sorry , pdf )
asciilifeform: once i get another coupla cr50 boards , will try above method with a small twist ( spoiler : chinese pulse welder as the current source! new!111 original!11 ) ☟︎
asciilifeform: but hands , sadly , currently full
asciilifeform: ideal apparatus would be something like the multi-coil rig used for noninvasive brain diddling experiments
asciilifeform: this is the approach where a die shot, even under optical microscope, would be of some conceivable use ( make slightly less blunt/blind target ) ☟︎
asciilifeform: for cr50 in particular, a continuous (e.g. xray) rather than intermittent (emp shooter) glitcher might be preferable, as the thing has a convenient unlock command that you can fire via the uart continuously, then , theoretically, irradiate until it happens to skip the right instruction
asciilifeform: (i.e. it is not in fact necessary to glitch the rsa check, but would entirely suffice to glitch the unlock command conditional jump)
mod6: Interesting paper there.
mod6: and interesting use of 3d printer :D
asciilifeform: any x-y positioning system would do, really
mod6: pretty neat
asciilifeform: ( even the hand-cranked one asciilifeform uses, with wheels )
BingoBoingo: Next Uruguay game is Wednesday at noon. I suspect nothing is happening in this country that day. Opponent is Saudi Arabia, the worst team in the tournament.
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/06/british-court-places-rappers-under-musical-court-supervision-for-3-years/ << Qntra - British Court Places Rappers Under Musical Court Supervision For 3 Years
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, no part of the empire is ~deliberate~. socialism, pantsuitism, inca, et all are the unexcited level of gray matter.
mircea_popescu: it's not like someone on mars sat around thinking "hey, how do we fuck up earthnling's world ???".
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: tumour mass yea
mircea_popescu: it's simply what dumb people do. they come up with "we're all equal" and "it's the universe, man" and listening to the worst part of female nature and pretend there's nothing else on their fucking own.
mircea_popescu: just like all mongoloid produces some version of ooga booga, exactly so all retarded girly produces some version of "it's inappropriate to go about naked and suck cock" and every idiot comes up with "social security".
mircea_popescu: it's ~exactly~ the same way every hunk of metal "comes up" with "being cold to the touch"
mircea_popescu: physical property of matter at rest.
mircea_popescu: and this is why i say things like http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-10#1822118 all crumble before it because the alternative is dust at rest on the surface of the moon. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-06-10 18:58 mircea_popescu: so yes, it is not possible to fight tmsr when it comes to this. all shall crumble before it.
mircea_popescu: this isn't some kind of encounter like between german socialism, american socialism and russian socialism, who oh who will win in the end ? (because we know as a matter of necessity that two will ally against one, crush it, then once that's done a) import everything and b) go at each other).
mircea_popescu: this is an encounter like between newton and his servant who didn't want to clean boots. newton OWNS his servant, as any other object. what battle ?
asciilifeform: somehow today there's 0 newtons but whole buncha useless bootblacks tho
mircea_popescu: "somehow"
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-13#1824975 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-06-13 15:42 mircea_popescu: it's gonna be such an open season of old woman head on pike soon enough. "but what did i do ?!" "you were someone's mom in the 90s/00s weren;'t you ?" "yes i was!" "fuck you, bitch."
mircea_popescu: someone asked gorgo once, "how come we all have to sit on pikes as long as the car ?" and gorgo once answered : Επειδή γαμώ την ράτσα σου
asciilifeform: if 'owns' were sufficient, the 'newtons' would not have succumbed, neh. evidently gotta also maintain the sharpened pikes in plain view
mircea_popescu: not fucking so.
mircea_popescu: newtons succumbed because overcheap overabundant food.
asciilifeform: + sewers ?
mircea_popescu: etc.
mircea_popescu: "it's easy now".
mircea_popescu: holy shit, google thinks motto is /ˈmädō/
mircea_popescu: motherfucker on a stick, what is wrongggggg with these idiots.
asciilifeform: lolwaat
mircea_popescu: it's /mɒ`təʊ/, to not leave it in mystery. for one fucking thing, THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS /ō/ in english. nor, for that matter, ä.
mircea_popescu: the english vowels are /æ/ /ɑ/ /ɒ/ /ɑː/ /ɔ/ /ɔː/ /ɪ/ /e/ /ɛ/ /ʌ/ /ʊ/ and that's fucking IT.
mircea_popescu: not like a dozen isn't plenty, in any case.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-15#1825649 << not even a bad idea. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-06-15 14:52 asciilifeform: once i get another coupla cr50 boards , will try above method with a small twist ( spoiler : chinese pulse welder as the current source! new!111 original!11 )
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-15#1825652 << well, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-12#1824343 so "soon" (tm) ☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-06-15 15:00 asciilifeform: this is the approach where a die shot, even under optical microscope, would be of some conceivable use ( make slightly less blunt/blind target )
a111: Logged on 2018-06-12 21:30 cnomad: floating an idea... do you folks have a batch of cr50s around that you might be willing to ship?
mircea_popescu: lmao BingoBoingo! "The five young men have been ordered to inform police every time they release new music," << anyone recall ye olde soviet struggles with "rock music" ?
BingoBoingo: AHA
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'ma try it, die shot or none
mircea_popescu: i wasn't proposing you wait on rando.
asciilifeform: worst thing , i nuke a board or 2.
asciilifeform: 'go to war with army you have, not army you wish you had'(tm)(r)(bush II)
mircea_popescu: i'm merely populating the list of answers for the inevitable later "shocked inquiries" of "wut did i do ?!?!?!"
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, there's such a thing as "bitcoinbrat" on fetlife.
mircea_popescu: spoiler : dumbass negress, thinks she's cool. "About me: your Goddess, your Princess, your Queen, your World, your Sole Life Purpose" etc.
asciilifeform: was there a form for sending in cock cage measurements ?
mircea_popescu: https://paypal.me/bitcoinbrat << begging link
mod6: lol
asciilifeform: prolly paypal api gives one
mircea_popescu: ugly hambeast, too.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: does it ever happen that ~nonugly~ nonhambeast demands 'your queen' and cage measurement , or is the linkage unbroken
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'sov struggle with rock music' is a massive reservoir of lulz largely even to this day untapped by entomologists. ( they tried something like a conditional surrender )
mircea_popescu: surely happens. most of them post elaborately framed pics and herp derp about tru feelings and other https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dX_Uj0un-Ks bs.
asciilifeform: i suspect the brits will replay it soon enuff, holding e.g. Officially Blessed concerts by Officially Tame jihadi singers etc
mircea_popescu: and speaking of the "twu wuv" bullshit : me opened yesterday http://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/22642/pg22642-images.html ; on the very strong recommendation that d'annunzio actually is the dood mussolini copied, so as to give hitler a model of cool ~he~ could in turn copy. it's the original duce (of fiume), and really, the inventor of the whole personal-martial cool in degenerate euros.
mircea_popescu: do you know what the fuck the whole thing's all about ?
mircea_popescu: it's about how he had two women and never ordered them to eat each other out.
mircea_popescu: PILES of pantsuit idiocy EVERYWHERE.
asciilifeform not familiar
mircea_popescu: a really ? how about the raid on vienna ?
mircea_popescu: (dood flew over vienna in ww1, dropped leaflets)
BingoBoingo: So many pantsuitist comparisons of Jihadi rap to US gangsta rap except... when the prototypical US ganster rappers NWA released "Straight out of compton" compton was majority black. Between then and now the hispanics ethnically cleansed Compton of black people.
mircea_popescu: anyway. fiume, now in yugoshitia or something like that, was an italian colony that briefly went to war with usg's invented "italy" over this wholly own washington subsidiary not accepting their union.
mircea_popescu: (pro tip : current "italy" is essentially the western sponsored invasion by the savoyards. about as italian as the mexican government of texas is truly canadian.)
asciilifeform: unlike which other current eu 'country' ?
mircea_popescu: mmm... pretty much all of them ? this is the stuff of the 1100s in other parts of the world.
mircea_popescu: king of sardinia unifies italy, rly ? gimme a lulzbreak.
asciilifeform: re vienna -- i've yet to read an airdropped leaflet that didn't have same flavour of 'author must be doing strong dope'
mircea_popescu: hm
asciilifeform: ( ever see the japanese ones ? )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, http://static1.habsburger.net/files/styles/large/public/originale/.importupload_mutschlechner_3dannunzio.jpg?itok=DMU-Nw8D
asciilifeform: ya they all say ~same thing, 'this could have been bomb! bow to $nigerianprince !'
mircea_popescu: "to your blind headstrong government" etc.
mircea_popescu: "their victory is like ukrainian bread, you die waiting" seems an apt turn of phrase.
asciilifeform: german leflets made primo toilet paper, according to folx in the know.
mircea_popescu: this sort of very cheap and therefore very dumb "courage" is exactly why you can't simply tell idiots to desist, but gotta first crack their heads.
mircea_popescu: "oh, german makes great tp hurr durr aren't i socially signalling".
mircea_popescu: it didn't came so far to it making great cumrags.
asciilifeform: 0 courage involved, not so many su grunts could read de
mircea_popescu: ah, i thought this was re london.
asciilifeform: aa no
mircea_popescu: lmao they seriously overflew russian villages ?
mircea_popescu: nuts.
asciilifeform: they had some ok ones, e.g. http://www.sovunion.info/posters/listovky/view.shtml?200 ☟︎
asciilifeform: , http://www.sovunion.info/posters/listovky/view.shtml?199 , etc
asciilifeform: not villages, lol. positions.
asciilifeform: ( speaking here of the 2nd war )
mircea_popescu: aha.
mircea_popescu: i suspect that was mostly to annoy the commisars.
asciilifeform: 'leaflet war' is pretty dumb, imho, idea; the closest thing to successful tack was jp's, with the radio that played 90+% ameri-jazz and 10% 'your wife is getting waltzed'
mircea_popescu: yep, that's definitely how you do it.
mircea_popescu: directed porn, etc.
mircea_popescu: exactly how all propaganda works, neh, they advertise cans to the washing machine while she watches tv instead of cooking.
mircea_popescu: not as a matter of preference, but as a matter of necessity, "i can't not buy their junk because that'd mean not sitting here"
asciilifeform: there's a crackpot theory that today's usa 'radio hobbyists' descend from usa troops in jp front ( and later korea ) building illicit radio sets to pick up jazz+wife broadcast
mircea_popescu: i can see it.
mircea_popescu: the problem is, the japanese didn't understand that the americans ~would prefer~ someone else fucking their wife while they play with the radio set. hence all the "airman's clubs" of putting house keys on coffee tablew and praying wife ends up with another's.
mircea_popescu: this is always the problem with propaganda : ~because~ the propagandist wants, ~therefore~ the propagandist misunderstands.
asciilifeform surveyed what remains of shortwave , it's mostly empty, and what remains is largely these derps, 'texas can you hear me' 'this is utah, we can hear you' etc etc ☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: there's an ancient german kiddie book i got as a kid, and it is 100% the story of propaganda.
asciilifeform: lol was it max and morris ?
mircea_popescu: it had a story of a hedghehog on whose birthday all other animals brought gifts
mircea_popescu: the lion brought a hunk of meat... the hippo a tub of dirt....
asciilifeform: aaaa ! i remember that one
mircea_popescu: you do ?!
mircea_popescu: wtf was it called ?
asciilifeform: yes ! tho can't recall where !
asciilifeform: but definitely had it.
asciilifeform: possibly it's a riff on aesop
mircea_popescu: humph. i've been trying for years to recall which the fuck it was.
mircea_popescu: certainly. but very modernist illustration if memory serves.
mircea_popescu: anyway, just because the japs' would have cut their own appendix out before permitting such a thing didn't mean the americans weren't vaguely excited and generally happy about the idea some other doods fucking the wives
mircea_popescu: (now tell me : why weren't blacks permitted in the service ???)
asciilifeform: iirc they had a black corps
asciilifeform: used sorta like a штрафбат
mircea_popescu: yeah, but had to be kept out of sight of the people sitting in trenches pillboxes etc dreaming about how big alien cock is holding mary sue five feet high in the air while reorganizing her viscerae.
mircea_popescu: ie, "tentacle porn" consumers, possibly just as much "descend from usa troops in jp front".
mircea_popescu: the ustardian view of females and male sexuality is not a free idiocy. it costs. this is what it costs -- all sex is inhabituation and if you insist on inhabituating boys with anything other than joyous and readily offered female sexual service, as was the norm in europe, you get tentacles and racism and whatnot.
asciilifeform: that, or goat fucking, but it aint as if city bois had access to goats
mircea_popescu: for some reason abram gannibal didn't have to be explained quite to the degree obama had to. i wonder why, and especially curious as to any explanations besides http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-27#1729826 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-10-27 17:57 mircea_popescu: "Итак, тебе не заплачу я: Но если ты простая блядь, То знай: за честь должна считать Знакомство юнкерского хуя!" is not some kind of fucking joke.
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-15#1825742 << that's beautiful, ought to be distributed in major american cities ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-06-15 16:40 asciilifeform: they had some ok ones, e.g. http://www.sovunion.info/posters/listovky/view.shtml?200
mircea_popescu: oh which reminds me! yo douchebag whatever came of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-08#1794007 ? ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-04-08 01:43 douchebag: If I need to print off these flier, if I include the reciept of the printed fliers will you remburse them ?
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-15#1825631 << updated, but it's a novel way of using manifest though: normally it requires a regrind where manifest is built up as you go, so the press order is enforced through graph. right now your manifest gives a press order, that's not enforced by anything ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-06-15 13:10 diana_coman: phf, please add the last 2 patches of eucrypt: http://www.dianacoman.com/2018/05/03/eucrypt-chapter-13-smg-rng/ and http://www.dianacoman.com/2018/06/15/eucrypt-manifest-file/
mircea_popescu: phf but it can continue thenceforth correctly can it ?
phf: yes! hence "novel"
mircea_popescu: seemed to me the implicit "how to update projects w/o regrinding them"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if not know d'annunzio, also not know rop ?
mircea_popescu: rops*
mircea_popescu: http://i-exc.ccm2.net/iex/1280/1124813875/1588098.jpg etc
mircea_popescu: https://assets.catawiki.nl/assets/2015/10/6/6/8/0/680c8ac4-6c0c-11e5-8255-f5c8c939fd32.jpg
mircea_popescu: "Perchè l'uomo ha nella sua natura questa orribile facoltà di godere con maggiore acutezza quando è consapevole di nuocere alla creatura da cui prende il godimento? Perchè un germe della tanto esecrata perversione sàdica è in ciascun uomo che ama e che desidera?"
mircea_popescu: holy hell i can't read this inanity.
deedbot: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/06/15/the-most-patriotic-i-have-ever-seen-the-uruguayos/ << Bingo Blog - The Most Patriotic I Have Ever Seen The Uruguayos
diana_coman: phf, well, it brings an existing project to the point from where it can be further changed/developed correctly; with respect to the past it makes now explicit the intended order (which existed anyway but was previously less strictly enforced meaning on branches and when those are brought together only)
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-15#1825782 << seems to me that d00d got stuck in some sorta infinite loop ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-06-15 17:23 mircea_popescu: oh which reminds me! yo douchebag whatever came of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-08#1794007 ?
asciilifeform: ( hey douchebag ! ^C^C^C^C^C^C !1111 )
mircea_popescu: possibru
asciilifeform: whoknows maybe he wakes up before he ends up ^D 'd
phf: asciilifeform: i got a feeling pay for your tits ruined him in a sense that he got micro optimized for hustle (which seems like it was his default mode to begin with). the only time he popped up since was when you proposed a 1btc for H1 crack
mircea_popescu: why that and not say http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-13#1798263 ? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-04-13 18:59 thatbitchlola: I used to sell heroin to douchebag same area as him ☟︎
phf: ahaha, i missed that. well, that's certainly a higher probability take
mircea_popescu: yes, but that leaves us unfettered to take on your unfactual feeling. why oh why, my dear phf, would you get such feelings ? hm ? HMMMM ?
asciilifeform: witness the 'mysterious' lack of randos logging in and 'hey i heard something about btc, i can build an emp rig!11' etc
asciilifeform: speaking of h1 , phf didja get a working snake ? ☟︎
asciilifeform: or lose steam
asciilifeform: *lost
mircea_popescu 'd have made a great ximenez
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-15#1825804 << lol wasn't that one of the man's own sybilmuppets ? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-06-15 19:36 a111: Logged on 2018-04-13 18:59 thatbitchlola: I used to sell heroin to douchebag same area as him
mircea_popescu: you know, contrary to your interpretation, i'm persuaded it was mostly actual orcs.
asciilifeform: out of curiosity, why ?
mircea_popescu: i don't know how to answer that question.
mircea_popescu: for instance, do you think the deluge of fet girls is me talking to myself ?
asciilifeform: asciilifeform's ( imho parsimonious ) model is that not 1 of the camgurlz touched irc , they got 5 $ or whatever for order of 'write these letters on yer tits' and douchebag worked the rest
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'm persuaded that yours exist ( mircea_popescu is not in the habit of making ??? up from 0 , and did post his spamatron src and overall methodology )
mircea_popescu: but... same parsimonious model is parsimonious in the same way for the same reasons ?
mircea_popescu: so there you go. "why! because i follow the clues offered / the story seems credible enough"
mircea_popescu: there's a difference, of course, between "why would you" (ie, an in general discussion) and "why would i" which is much more speciffic and narrower. you were asking why-the-former, yes ?
mircea_popescu: i also don't think you're going on random luser routers and load webirc to then up youself, disconnect and get aggitated. why not ? "parsimonious" etc.
mircea_popescu: you realise this, yes, it's not just http://trilema.com/2014/askfm-laid-bare-or-whats-half-a-million-uniques-to-you/ or http://trilema.com/2017/the-incidental-humiliation-of-obamas-clean-energy-policies-marc-andreessens-internet-of-farts-and-other-such-comedic-gold-bricks/ nor does it stop there. if we actually wanted to ~replicate~ weev's idea of "success", we could simply take over millions of "private" home routers, load #
mircea_popescu: trilema via webirc and thereby obtain DEGREES OF MAGNITUDE more... whatever it is, than "social media" ever could or ever did or ever would provide.
mircea_popescu: because no, there's no fucking difference. "facebook traffic", aka http://trilema.com/2015/heres-what-you-dont-know-or-understand-about-facebook-everything/
mircea_popescu: "what can you do ?" "umm.... i wasn't prepared to be asked this question." what the fuck is that ? "people" ? in WHAT FUCKING SENSE ?
mircea_popescu: things i can mechanically replicate aren't people, that's the fucking definition, and no other definition could ever stand.
asciilifeform: not same degree of credibility. i can't picture mircea_popescu sitting and cooking up random faux chix ( why?! ) whereas can easily picture bored 19yo zek doing same
asciilifeform: real planet earth doesn't seem to offer a continuum between 'waste of meat' and 'does worthwhile things' , tho it could theoretically exist somehow . somehow it loox to be a binary.
asciilifeform: there might somewhere exist a 'i build emp probe on mondays and read reddit on tuesdays' fella. but i haven't met one yet.
mircea_popescu: so you just make a guess.
asciilifeform: ( there could even be somebody somewhere who drinks whore street cognac on mondays and smokes crack on tuesdays. but ditto )
mircea_popescu: the whole argument was centered on incomputability. you know it's incomputable, therefore you agree the why is weak, therefore that's all.
asciilifeform: i dun propose it's mechanically litmusable, for all i know the hobo i met who claimed to be ex-general, really was. but 'smart money bets against'.
mircea_popescu: traditionally this is signalled by the linguistic token "why not", though none of the bleaters active today understands the meaning of this (or any other token, come to thionkl of it)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dunno whose smart money.
asciilifeform tightens gasmask
asciilifeform habituated to working with heuristics , and generally does not enjoy the luxury of operating as if errything were equally possible
mircea_popescu: what do you mean "haven't met one yet" ?! you met one yesterday, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-14#1825321 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-06-14 05:13 asciilifeform: .. or maybe not? somewhat contradictory fella
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu resolved the contradiction tho
mircea_popescu: but ~you~ nevertheless met.
asciilifeform: dutch is consistent , turns out, sack of sad
asciilifeform: glitches in mental model dun count as 'met', just like lsd eater dun really 'talk to god'
mircea_popescu: anyway, the operating difference here isn't "whether everything is equally possible" ; but rather "whether everything is equally uninteresting". in point of fact the situation where dood made up all the girls would be more ~interesting~ than the actual reality. that's how your notion of parsimony fails
mircea_popescu: you seek ontological minimums irrespective of how they stand on the gnoseological potential space.
asciilifeform: how'd it be 'more interesting' ?
mircea_popescu: whereas, in reality, parsimony is multiplanar. you seek minimums, yes, but the simplest object is not strictly an existence concern.
asciilifeform: pretty simple algo, take a 100 $ and a camwhore site, who wants -- can replicate
mircea_popescu: and then keep them straight ?
asciilifeform: ( supposing the prize weren't meanwhile gone )
asciilifeform: it isn't a particularly impressive feat of keep-straight
asciilifeform: plus on at least 1 occasion he let crosstalk leak
mircea_popescu: i dunno why you imagine sybilling is free. it's not. in point of fact, the "use humans" is so much cheaper, all sybils known to date worked that way.
asciilifeform: not even farting is free in this sense. but it's cheap.
asciilifeform: and naturally he used humans, to generate the photos.
mircea_popescu: mah work in reddit / fetlife / whatever machine-infiltration is pioneering specifically because ~nobody else~ ever fucking does this. because it's expensive.
mircea_popescu: they instead try to "brigade", which is wetware sybilling.
asciilifeform: ( asciilifeform does not posit that the photos were of anyffing but actual chix )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, we're discussing the strings here.
asciilifeform: right
asciilifeform: how many shots was it, 71 ?
mircea_popescu: i dun recall, something like that.
asciilifeform: i see it as elementarily more parsimonious , to suppose that d00d ( who in every other visible to us walk of life took the utmost laziest examtaker shortcut ) generated 71 btc addrs , and hired $ 5 camwhores , than the notion that 71 females in total have even touched bitcoin.
asciilifeform: much less visited 19yo zek's hovel under whatever pretext.
mircea_popescu: this is not what's proposed.
asciilifeform: what am i missing
asciilifeform: is mircea_popescu's version that he , for some unknown reason all from same handful of ip, actually put them on the chan ..?
mircea_popescu: your theory is that dood opened 71 irc sessions and typed stuff in ; his theory, which i said seems to me persuasive, was that ... well im too lazy to dig it up, he put it in somewhere, something to the effect of giving them an irc link.
mircea_popescu: exactly like i or you do it, for that matter.
asciilifeform: and not 1 of'em asked where the promised coin is, why she's getting a fiver instead of two bitcents ?
mircea_popescu: not one.
mircea_popescu: nikki_ff also never thanked you for the up. not that i told her not to, or to.
asciilifeform: i suppose this one'll only get properly settled if/when douchebag confesses ☟︎
mircea_popescu: the other one asked for the notes spyked hasn't yet published when and because i told her to, otherwise it'd have stayed private.
mircea_popescu: and so on.
asciilifeform: tho perhaps even confession won't suffice, sorta how conan doyle believed to the end of his days that houdini was genuinely powerful shaman, rather than stage artist
mircea_popescu: or the guy for which the kugerrand is named believed earth is plateshaped.
mod6: wasnt there a bunch of them nagging about withdrawls tho?
trinque: yeeeep
trinque: :D
mircea_popescu: basically alf has trouble internalizing just how disciplined modern zek is.
trinque: and lemme just say, if that was douchebag or the other guy PM-ing me, gay.
mircea_popescu: things come "natural" to them that blow the anthropologist away. that's what socialization even fucking is.
mod6: :D
mircea_popescu: do you understand that all over this planet there's blkjfdl to the right of sldkjldkjf 99.99999% of the time, and almost NEVER the other way around ?
mircea_popescu: why should this be ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: prolly for the same reason as http://www.loper-os.org/bad-at-entropy/manmach.html
mircea_popescu: and my telling you blkjfdl = fork and sldkjldkjf = knife helps resolve this mystery ? HOW ? WHY ?!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform rather like that.
asciilifeform: at any rate if it somehow comes out that douchebag's claim was 100% god's truth, and asciilifeform's -- cruel libel, i'll smile
asciilifeform: but thus far d00d's works, if you will, are consistent with my picture.
asciilifeform: no ferraris thus far, only cardboard cutout.
asciilifeform: ( recall the illustrious reptilia and his auto )
mircea_popescu: the greatness of "your picture", this and others, is that most things are "consistent" with them.
mircea_popescu: takes a little bit of escherian margins, it's true, but the result is quite artisitcally impressive.
asciilifeform: i'd be that mircea_popescu doesn't like magic shows much.
mircea_popescu: i don't like impudent magic shows.
asciilifeform: ( to appreciate magic show, you gotta be at peace with being tricked, if only for sport )
ben_vulpes: (matchsticks!)
mircea_popescu: i enjoy them inside of doors, when my girls do tricks. but pompous asshole imagining he actually tricks me... heh. noty.
asciilifeform: seems like he might have , tho ?
asciilifeform: if mircea_popescu actually buys the 'gurlz spoke on irc' bit
mircea_popescu: sure.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes don't remind him of that one, he's still not solved it i bet :D
ben_vulpes: nor fuckin i
asciilifeform: i promise i'd say, if i had, lol
mircea_popescu: nor ever will ye. IT IS TOO MUCH ALIEN TECHNOLOGEES
asciilifeform: it and 9000 good magic trix
mircea_popescu: aha.
asciilifeform: ( that asciilifeform also not solved )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu would make a pretty killer houdini
mircea_popescu: no, i can still get it up.
asciilifeform: lol
asciilifeform: pretty sure d00d didnt live longenuff to have problem getting it up
mircea_popescu: ithought he was famous for it.
asciilifeform: haven't heard this one, lol
mircea_popescu: really ?!
asciilifeform: nope
mircea_popescu shrugs. let's call it "not had any children and go to bed".
asciilifeform: how d00d managed to avoid impregnating anyffing in 1900s -- is indeed good q. ( perhaps -- magic!111 )
mircea_popescu: lol. escapist ejaculate.
mod6: whoop der it aint
mircea_popescu: hahaha
asciilifeform: 'how did it get into arse?!' 'sleight of hand!'
asciilifeform: there was episode where he exposed a (very fuckable) mindreading chix, on account of being the only referee who wasn't fucking her
asciilifeform: i suspect that he didnt swing that way
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-15#1825808 << slow progress, snake soldered but untested. i realized last night that i don't have any linux devices, and was too tired to figure out how to do usb-serial/../new_id equivalent on a bsd. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-06-15 19:50 asciilifeform: speaking of h1 , phf didja get a working snake ?
phf: i picked an x1 carbon from a pile, going to put trinque's cuntoo on it while i'm on the road..
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in belle epoque rotaku, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFAXs4c9Ync
asciilifeform: phf: aaaactually you can test the snake with the selfsame cbook, plug 1 end into usbc and other into the usb3 jack . in dev mode shell you will get the ttys , and can connect
asciilifeform: no 2nd box needed.
asciilifeform brb, meat
phf: asciilifeform: i guessed that might be the case, but i ought to get that carbon operational again anyway.
asciilifeform: phf: x60 finally croaked ?
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in literature, "La décadence de cette ancienne maison avait, sans nul doute, suivi régulièrement son cours; l'effémination des mâles était allée en s'accentuant" (huysmans)