tmsr - Log 2018-01-30

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BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all

jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 10541.86, vol: 10459.43430630 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 10560.0, vol: 29727.02621591 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 10556.5, vol: 4622.65972429 | Volume-weighted last average: 10555.4046532

deedbot: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/01/30/the-initial-cash-trade/ << Bingo Blog - The Initial Cash Trade

mod6: mornin'

BingoBoingo: Good mornin mod6

BingoBoingo: I have to say the silence this morning is a bit extraño

asciilifeform: ohai BingoBoingo , mod6

mod6: hola asciilifeform

mod6: node has been caught up all night. we'll see...

asciilifeform: mod6: speaking of, didja ever try ben_vulpes's moar-aggression patch ?

asciilifeform: the one that actively milks every peer regularly, and not simply on-connect

mod6: ah, no haven't had a chance yet.

asciilifeform: i suspect that his approach is in fat The Right Thing. making connect-time 'special' is every bit as dumb as making boot time special.

asciilifeform: considering that a connection can last for theoretically unlimited time.

asciilifeform: *in fact

mod6: yaeh, i have a feeling that's kinda what was happening to me. but untested yet.

asciilifeform: the ben_vulpes takes the orig fix to the logical conclusion.

asciilifeform: mod6: let's restate the general principle. if you have two or moar trb nodes, and they are 'in communion' with one another regularly, and yet one is several 100 blox behind the other(s) -- THIS IS A BUG

asciilifeform: thinkaboutit.

asciilifeform: it should not be possible.

asciilifeform: it's one thing where prb refuses to serve trb node blox, or puts out some oddball liquishit that gets it malleus'd, etc

asciilifeform: but trb nodes really oughta all be within a few blox of one another at all times.

mod6: i agree.

asciilifeform: so for so long as this situation continues to be observed anywhere -- we have a bug.

mod6: Tuning the best interval between when we would query a connected host seems like it might take some doing. Right now, looks like 20 minutes (in ben's vpatch).

mod6: Maybe gotta get another dedicated env. :D

mod6: Or just gotta wait and see if i drop behind. Then may just compile it in. Will report back once I have something on this.

phf: "Reading in the Dark: Does fiction matter in a post-fact age? harpers.org"

phf shudders

shinohai: !~later tell trinque http://btcinfo.sdf.org/znc.html

jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.

asciilifeform: phf: 'if you're reading it, it's for you!111' (tm)(r)(tlp)

phf: asciilifeform: oh i just read the headers, that's why i only post the headers.

asciilifeform: lolk

phf: the content of these articles is as much of a mystery to me as they are to the log reader. maybe it's zavalishin writing obituary for bardin, but i doubt it.

asciilifeform: it's ~always shannonized liquishit. ☟︎

asciilifeform: !~later tell ave1 http://ave1.org/2018/on-ffa-chapter-1/#comment-15 ☟︎

jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.

BingoBoingo: Guess who finally got a trendy Latino haircut!

mod6: got a bit of a fade?

BingoBoingo: And how!

BingoBoingo: We will see how it looks once I manage to get back to the hostel and shower off the loose hairs, but I had to do something while I awaited compiling.

shinohai: !!key phf

deedbot: http://wot.deedbot.org/BDDE12104FE81BE7F83B698F5356DE4752432A9E.asc

shinohai: !~later tell phf http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/eicC1/?raw=true

jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.

BingoBoingo: In other WTFs, the bank Account one is setting me up with... is finally taking an interest in processing my application only six or seven weeks later.

BingoBoingo: *accountant one

BingoBoingo wonders how many crocodiles mircea_popescu is chilling with on his latest viaje ☟︎

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: didja meet the rack yet ?

BingoBoingo: Carrying shit over there in the morning tomorrow. Last visit it was looking good. Awaiting the necessary information to get the routing configured as best as I can before plugin time.

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: do they have a console on wheels, or how is the after-the-screws-tightened config usually done nowadays ?

BingoBoingo: I am about to find out. But I recall seeing some sorta carts chilling in the human habitble zone.

trinque: shinohai: might even consider making them pay. gotta be years of znc in a pair of tits

shinohai: well i have an addy up, best plaque i can put up.

shinohai: there is a surfeit of tits, years of znc in btc

trinque: "well I have an addy up" is not selling a product

trinque: why import the empire's "everything's free, gotta beg for tips"

trinque: could do some amount for free, then chick has to pay. it'd be good for her

trinque: ^ doyousee.jpg

shinohai: yes emmylark is encouraged to contact me with mircea_popescu 's permission ☟︎

BingoBoingo: !~bcstats

BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all

jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 10125.0, vol: 19535.12925929 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 10283.0, vol: 58479.92249382 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 10095.4, vol: 9831.60241359 | Volume-weighted last average: 10226.8685618

shinohai: http://archive.is/q81UH << hehe

ben_vulpes: gonna be the death of phil, that will be

mod6: heh, for a moment i read 'pursuits' as 'pantsuits'

shinohai: lol mod6

mod6: !!up tmsrznc

deedbot: tmsrznc voiced for 30 minutes.

asciilifeform: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2018/01/how-to-fix-us-national-defense-doctrine.html << in other lullies.

asciilifeform: oh hey hey hey lbj

asciilifeform: !!up mp_en_viaje

deedbot: mp_en_viaje voiced for 30 minutes.

mp_en_viaje: hola!

mp_en_viaje is sitting pretty @ the 5 star bogota summit hotel.

mp_en_viaje: 2017 choice of some derpy website no less!!!

asciilifeform: oh hey iirc bogota was a runner-up in the castle-popescustein race, wasnnit.

mp_en_viaje: i can sadly report that ye olde days of raping the chambermaids and somon fumee buffet breakfast are all gone.

shinohai: oh hiya mp_en_viaje

mp_en_viaje: hola

mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-29#1777970 << infiniely better to keep time discipline and adjust material than to lose time discipline to adjust it to your disease. ☝︎☟︎

a111: Logged on 2018-01-29 16:01 asciilifeform: thinking of switching to a 2week interval; these are not coming out quite the way i want'em

asciilifeform: adjust material how ?

asciilifeform: can be broken down into the smallest logical cuts, but not smaller.

mp_en_viaje: there's just no way the smallest logical cuts are longer than weeklong.

mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-29#1778033 << it has a tags allowed for comment. if you put b user can bold, if not no. you may not have a on the list. ☝︎☟︎

a111: Logged on 2018-01-29 17:06 ave1: Hmm, I'm using mp-wp and I cannot find a setting that is supposed to scrub links or allow them. I am looking into it...

asciilifeform: even nao they're pretty light on the algo mechanics . ( asciilifeform does not know if there's 0 complaint from readership because everybody-grasps-anyway, or because ~nobody reads... )

mp_en_viaje: iirc this is exposed in the admin gui, settings something

mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-29#1778035 << an ada lamp would need you know, the a and the m. it may be possible to write a sqlizer in ada ; but i have my doubts an ada apache is actually possible. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-01-29 17:10 asciilifeform would like to see a complete wwwtron in ada. but does not have any spare arms presently for such a thing.

asciilifeform: let's consider this puzzler

asciilifeform: what exactly is 'ada apache' ?

asciilifeform: http server ? fwiw adacore distributes one. ( i dun like it, for same reason as apache -- it's a megatonne of gnarl . but, it does in fact work, and benefits from the language guarantees etc )

mp_en_viaje: link between ram/disk and net in html protocol.

mp_en_viaje: you know what apache does neh ?

asciilifeform: there's nothing particularly high-tech about serving http

mp_en_viaje: there is one you say ? me had no idea.

asciilifeform: certainly easier problem, algorithmically, than e.g. bignum

mp_en_viaje: apache is a terrible mess even today ; you might recall my regular meltdowns whenever tryin g to get it to work.

mp_en_viaje: i expect ada's "works" ~same

asciilifeform: i have not tried, could not get past the gag reflex last time

asciilifeform: prolly will end up writing own.

mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-29#1778059 << feb 1st is just fine. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-01-29 17:24 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Contract start date is Feb 1st, but I am about to poke them to check the wire and see if the racking can start.

asciilifeform: fwiw ada's built-in sane threading and non-semaphoric thread-to-thread info passing features make it an inviting idea.

mp_en_viaje: indeed. threading major problem even on modern apaches.

asciilifeform: the fundamental disease is that c is retarded.

asciilifeform: from this, flows apache etc.

mp_en_viaje: somehow i had like an inkling tou'll say that

asciilifeform: lol

mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-29#1778097 << maybe even slightly more than half lol ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-01-29 17:54 asciilifeform: considering that half the point of hardware debugger is to debug heavily-antidebuggistic shitware...

asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: it's also needed for any kind of serious work on bios ( incl pci cards )

mp_en_viaje: in other news, apparently bogota has bdsm bar, open all night.

mp_en_viaje: in the quaint words of the virgin mary, oh im totally going.

asciilifeform: meanwhile, in entomology, gem , 'Ada is arguably more successful in its domain not because of its ridiculous verbosity, but because it has higher level features, separation of concerns, safety checks, development teams focused on embedded programming, aircraft specialists and programmers working on the compilers, etc. One could still take all of these same Ada experts, brainwash them, and have them (or another team with more sense) i

asciilifeform: mplement a more reasonable syntax and notation while keeping the same range checks, contract checks, safety checks, stack abilities, separation of concerns (type declarations, arrays vs pointers to pointers, by reference vs by value or in/out params, modules, high level threading abilities, sub modules, packages).'

asciilifeform: ( http://wiki.c2.com/?AdaLanguage )

mp_en_viaje: lol.. the "one could take republican and brainwash" is essentially the imperial fantasy

asciilifeform: exactly. is why quoted.

mp_en_viaje: "we, too, could have things" "how the fuck could you ever have anything ?" "well, if we did, then we would" "certainly."

asciilifeform: 'we can have exactly #trilema but out of aryans and to serve clitler.' aka 'servantleaderz'!11

mp_en_viaje: "there's nothing intrinsically political about corectness, we could make armies out of transsexuals and scientists out of reformed scammers, why not!"

mp_en_viaje: but hey, the fantasy that it works for them is a large part of why bitcoin corrupts so well.

mp_en_viaje: giraffe that imagines it too could digest lions makes lion's favourite giraffe brand, i expect.

asciilifeform: wolf never seems to stop thinking he can digest wolfsangel, also

asciilifeform: or fish -- hook

mp_en_viaje: (the transsexual army is not a rhetorical flourish. think : what is a transsexual ? one a) unoccupied enough to question something as fundamental as his sex and also b) dumb enough to get the wrong answer. meanwhile what is army built of ? a) people who obey orders. so...)

asciilifeform: eh castration cults have existed in the past.

asciilifeform: what's 1 moar.

mp_en_viaje: indeed.

mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-30#1778217 << word, the useless pinoy kid pens spun content re viagra while his exact equivalent from the white horde pens spun libtard interes titems. they're closer than they realise -- including the involuntary celibacy. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-01-30 16:30 asciilifeform: it's ~always shannonized liquishit.

asciilifeform: meanwhile, from asciilifeform's tortureroom, http://www.loper-os.org/pub/mpboard.jpg

mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-30#1778230 << all they got here are butt implants. and how! ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-01-30 18:18 BingoBoingo wonders how many crocodiles mircea_popescu is chilling with on his latest viaje

asciilifeform: ^ pet's board

mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, why's she all shying out anyway ? nobody ate the emmy lark character, whats the worst that can happen!

asciilifeform: iirc the exact eggog was 'dun have anuffingtosay yet'

mp_en_viaje: so ? maybe i have something to say to her.

mp_en_viaje: conversation isn't waiting for the other speaker to finally shut up so you can speak your piece.

asciilifeform: i'ma have to pass this message.

mp_en_viaje: this entire tower is built ou tof things that "i had no idea i was going to make before".

asciilifeform: verily.

mp_en_viaje: but since i did x therefore y follows and so on.

mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-30#1778242 << nah, for one if you set up her bouncer you can read her logs, and for the other it breeds bad habits. she can do it herself once i get around to putting it on her menu ; meanwhile if enough folk complain ima just have her not chan till then ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-01-30 19:19 shinohai: yes emmylark is encouraged to contact me with mircea_popescu 's permission

mp_en_viaje: omg caught up with logs within the hour ? this was way less painful than i had feared.