tmsr - Log 2018-01-29

asciilifeform: !~later tell trinque do you have a working gnat on ppc (g5 or any other) ? ☟︎

asciilifeform: oh hah deedbot hates orcograms dunnit.

asciilifeform: i gotta admit, i picture them as units, like e.g. rems

asciilifeform: 'he was exposed to 300 gRomns, expired in convulsions'

mircea_popescu: "lost all his vaginal teeth and instestinal hairs"

asciilifeform noticed that the ro_eng_ascii.txt w4r3z was a mega-popular item in the machine log , for quite some time, and so went to put this flag on it.

asciilifeform: the item mircea_popescu gave, 'dex', is also on the conveyor, but will prolly have to wait for peacetime

mircea_popescu: aaand in other "guess what sf ideas i got", what if females had no tits, but instead they grew these almond-sized blobs of semi-hard fat on their neck, sorta like corn nibblets on the cobb, and kids just you know, nibbled their neck.

mircea_popescu: sorta grow from one spot and fall out overripe from another.

asciilifeform: pretty sure there is >1 species of fish where -- this

mircea_popescu: imagine the cloud of parasites, you know ?

asciilifeform: for some reason all that comes to mind tho is that 1 fish where the ~male~ attaches, parasitizes, and jettisons the now-useless fins, mouth, arse, digestive tract, etc

lobbes: Added sha1 checksum values for the .zips to show in archive search results >> http://lobbesblog.com/queryarchive/view.php?searchterm=example&sortby=

lobbes: Note that this refers to the sha1sum of the -.zip- only and not to the -contents- (i.e. should only be used to verify integrity of .zips recieved via the eventual .zip delivery process)

xenmen_: thanks mircea_popescu, just reading up on your site

xenmen_: I come by ~once a year, an annual tradition, to reread

mircea_popescu: how long does it take you to catch up ?

xenmen_: (The catch-up, that is; rereading older material I spread over a few weeks to a month)

shinohai: !~later tell mats can report that https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/MIPS/ERLite-3 works flawless, no luck on openbsd

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shinohai: asciilifeform: i mirrored your dictionary, and mircea_popescu's wordlist here: http://btcinfo.sdf.org/library/Roman-Englez/

asciilifeform: shinohai: first file eggogs

asciilifeform: nao worx

asciilifeform: it has bitrot in it tho

asciilifeform: i see strange chars

asciilifeform: acÄƒÈ›a , acuÈ™ica

shinohai: but in mircea_popescu's original, I also see strange things

asciilifeform: is it in some ancient pre-uniturd coding, analogous to ru koi8 ?

asciilifeform: hard to picture how else it could end up like this.

spyked: hm. it seems that the browser (firefox on my side) sets default encoding to "western" for plain txt files; setting it to unicode makes it look normal

asciilifeform: hmm in different browser, worx

asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2186&cpage=1#comment-19118 << in other noose.

ave1: I see you are already at ch9, I only just finished with ch1: http://ave1.org/2018/on-ffa-chapter-1/. ☟︎

asciilifeform: thinking of switching to a 2week interval; these are not coming out quite the way i want'em ☟︎

asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2186&cpage=1#comment-19121 << in other noose.

asciilifeform: shinohai: i have added a link to your mirror in http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2211 , ty

ave1: I'm enjoying the series a lot! (I've now just read ch2 and starting to ingest it...)

asciilifeform: ave1: were you able to build ?

asciilifeform: ooh yeah i recall

asciilifeform still has not replicated this marvel

ave1: In the end it took only a small set of changes, but finding these was no fun...

ave1: Ofcourse, I did not want to dive deep into the code of gcc and gnat

asciilifeform: we're doomed to fork gnat eventually

asciilifeform: if only because of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-29#1743984 . ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-11-29 01:38 asciilifeform yet again, for 3rd time in 2 yrs, attempted and failed to build a 'zero foot print runtime' for gnat -- to abolish the 3MB of liquishit it shits into every executable.

ave1: Which makes the process a stupid trying / building / running / failing exercise.

asciilifeform: ave1: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-29#1777969 << can i persuade you to put this link in a comment to ch1 ? ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-01-29 15:46 ave1: I see you are already at ch9, I only just finished with ch1: http://ave1.org/2018/on-ffa-chapter-1/.

asciilifeform: for other readers.

asciilifeform: ave1: 'Word is the smallest unit used for the arithmetic in FFA' is not strictly true, there is a HalfWord ( see ch9 )

asciilifeform: but i suppose you'll get to it at own pace.

asciilifeform: ( not to mention WBool, present in ch1, is constrained to arithmetize on 1bit. but indeed Word is smallest physical unit used, there is no byte-addressing in ffa )

asciilifeform: 'why not use the pragma Provide_Shift_Operators?' << it doesn't work on gnat2016, try it

asciilifeform: "Do we need Word_Index or Indices?8". << yes, for proof of nonoverflow. and in general wherever i saw it possible to constrain a type, i constrained it. and will continue doing so.

asciilifeform: 'Look at the summation, the sum is (A+B) + Carry, but the next carry is determined by just A, B and the Sum. Are we lucky this is correct?' << work it out on paper.

asciilifeform: btw ave1 your comment box dunwork

asciilifeform: demands 'fill in name and email' even when i already did.

asciilifeform: ave1: 'are we lucky this is correct' implies that item was written through the arse, and only 'works by accident', this is not so.

ave1: aha, I made the check for the email to a check for the website (needs to be 6 chars long)

ave1: I'll remove the website check, probable does not do much anyway

asciilifeform: lemme know when fixed

asciilifeform: 'required fields: name'

asciilifeform: it's utterly broken

ave1: Will work on wording! It was meant as "Take very good care to check out this one"

asciilifeform: I FILLED IN THE FIELDS

ave1: I see change did happen, but still failed the test, one sec...

asciilifeform: lemme know when it is possible to put a comment..

asciilifeform: ave1: the comment itself : http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/3z67x/?raw=true

ave1: asciilifeform: Comments should work now, I can also put this comment in if you like (name == asciilifeform?)

asciilifeform: still broken !!

asciilifeform: 'required fields: name'

asciilifeform: pleez test it yourself ave1 ? then say 'fixed'

asciilifeform: and no, do not put it in in my place.

asciilifeform: fix the commentbox.

asciilifeform: ok seems to work nao...

asciilifeform: (queued)

asciilifeform: or...

asciilifeform: WHERE THE FUCK DID MY LINK GO

asciilifeform: srsly this is nogood.

asciilifeform: 'TODAY'S LOG' IS A LINK

asciilifeform: !!up xenmen

asciilifeform: ave1: please see the paste ?

asciilifeform: ave1: html links do not work in your comment box ?

asciilifeform: i do not understand why you would have both 'ban links' AND premoderation

ave1: Hmm, I'm using mp-wp and I cannot find a setting that is supposed to scrub links or allow them. I am looking into it... ☟︎

asciilifeform: hey you're ahead of me, i never even got comments to work at all in my copy of mp-wp

asciilifeform would like to see a complete wwwtron in ada. but does not have any spare arms presently for such a thing. ☟︎

asciilifeform: and when i say 'complete' i mean zero-libraries, a la ffa. kernel calls for i/o, and that's it.

ave1: Meanwhile, I'll fix the links, also I found the problem will report a little later

asciilifeform: ty ave1 , i'd definitely like to read the answer ☟︎

shinohai: "Fitness app lights up staff @ mil bases" is best headline in feed today.

trinque: kinda laughable notion that the location of .mil bases was secret

asciilifeform: iirc there's a few in e.g. africa disguised as 'uh, nuffin at all here, move along'

asciilifeform: and in various post-su lands

asciilifeform: e.g. the torture palace in bucharest

trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-29#1777911 << not at the moment. when my stack's popped to ffa will try to do my homework on one of the g5s ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-01-29 01:14 asciilifeform: !~later tell trinque do you have a working gnat on ppc (g5 or any other) ?

asciilifeform: trinque: actually i was hoping to get a shell on one of your ppc

asciilifeform: for own use

asciilifeform: ( i could buy an old ppc , a la BingoBoingo , for fiddybux, but i'd like to go in direction of ~decreasing~ old iron collection, not growing... )

trinque: ah, I could set that up later in the week. going to be traveling starting tomorrow.

asciilifeform: no rush.

asciilifeform: dun make much diff

asciilifeform: prolly g5 is more relevant to future

asciilifeform: ( they give moar bang for the antiquarian buck , and more likely to be met with )

BingoBoingo: !~later tell mircea_popescu a MUSL box is now ready to plug in and serve a form of Qntra... after a weekend of head banging

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: oh hey

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: is cage alive nao?

BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Contract start date is Feb 1st, but I am about to poke them to check the wire and see if the racking can start. ☟︎

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: what about ip addrs ?

BingoBoingo: getting some from them and then resubmitting my application to LACNIC. Gotta utilize 64 ip addresses before LACNIC will allocate a /24

asciilifeform: right, but what does that mean in practice ? rack with no permanent ips for month? two ?

asciilifeform: considering the 'escape from dnsism' thing we have going, this actually matters

trinque: and also, handled incorrectly that'll be a lot of boxen that are suddenly unreachable

asciilifeform: lol pseudobrainwallets never apparently fully died

asciilifeform: !!up sageprobes

asciilifeform: sageprobes: hello ?

asciilifeform: !!up laplinker

asciilifeform: laplinker: what brings you here ?

laplinker: oh, its a long story about AMD, HDT, and looking for sage probes online :)

asciilifeform: laplinker: last i saw they were still available with 'gizmo1'

asciilifeform: laplinker: see the faq, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1887

laplinker: yeah, im not so sure i can afford something that costs: "send me a quote" :)

asciilifeform: it costs <200bux, wat

asciilifeform: oh ha, sold out.

laplinker: well that was unexpected , i assumed it would be expensive ,i mean look at the intel xdp

asciilifeform: 'We are sorry, but the item you are looking for is no longer available on our website.'

asciilifeform: laplinker: funnily enough, i have an intel xdp, and several boxes with the jack, but never was able to get it running

asciilifeform: it ain't gdb-compatible, for one thing. requires windows shitware which they sold for $10k's and never afaik leaked

laplinker: you should really get one of those minnow boards and a lure board, works OOB with intel DAL at VLV2 config

asciilifeform: for another thing, stock bios on intel boxes disables xdp jack

asciilifeform: laplinker: i don't particularly need this for anything, when i have a working sageprobe and amd boxes

laplinker: sometimes those xdp3 boxed pop up oon ebay, i found mine for about 50$ a few years ago, but now intel is debugging over usb3

asciilifeform: i like how the sage requires literally NO os support on the driving end

asciilifeform: ( it sits on lan and you can telnet to it )

asciilifeform: laplinker: the problem is that the usb3 debug is NOT os-transparent

asciilifeform: i.e. the 'victim' can disable the port

asciilifeform: and at any rate change behaviour when it senses that debug is active

asciilifeform: considering that half the point of hardware debugger is to debug heavily-antidebuggistic shitware... ☟︎

laplinker: than for intel platforms, i recommend minnow, but you are already set with AMD so nm

asciilifeform: iirc 'minnow' is a junk board, with nonexpandable ram, etc

asciilifeform: and with random crashes.

asciilifeform: didja ever get it to boot a standard winblows, for instance ?

asciilifeform: laplinker: i have one almost exactly like it

asciilifeform: ( never got xdp going, because, again, requires shitware )

laplinker: asciilifeform: shitware is available for free, part of intel debugger studio (which is shitware) but the "intel DAL" is free

asciilifeform: laplinker: iirc i tried the 'free' ver, it wanted a xdp3.

asciilifeform: what i have iirc is a xdp1.

asciilifeform: ( they were at one point sold off for pennies on the dollar )

asciilifeform: right, but where the fuck to get a xdp3.

asciilifeform: 0 interest to me, because victim-detectable.

laplinker: xdp3 is hard to find, same i guess as the sage probve

asciilifeform: and dunwork on resetvector in bios.

asciilifeform: sage probe is quite easy to find. 1) get in wot -- register with deedbot 2) make a bid in btc 3) one of the folx here will sell you a sageprobe.

laplinker: hmm... i might actually do that, for the xdp3, they should be popping up more and more the more time passes and most folks use xhci, but thats just a guess

asciilifeform: winintel doesn't want people debugging the drm spyshitware in the bios; or the winblowz kernel. ergo xhci.

asciilifeform: but it so happens that these are the ONLY items i find interesting from hardware debug pov.

asciilifeform: so i have 0 interest in xhci or any other inband debugging.

asciilifeform: and will not comment on it, it is worthless garbage .

asciilifeform: btw laplinker , recent ( 2013? 14? and after..? ) amd opterons suffer from similar problem : http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-04#1552690 ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2016-10-04 15:36 asciilifeform: ACHTUNG, PANZERS! pc engines 'apu2' (the board with the intel nics - vs. 'apu1', with realtek) , turns out, is crippled, hdt probe barfs with it, the cpu is reputed to have a drm fuse set.

asciilifeform: i.e. the bios can (and by default does) perma-lock the hdt port after boot

asciilifeform: ( on some boxes, shortly after reset, in fact )

asciilifeform: laplinker: not especially interesting, no. i'm more interested in whatever fallbacks are in there ~separately~ from ME core. nsa fritzchip never come in singles.

asciilifeform: given that the 'security pros' and academia circuses were permitted to make ME core a centerpiece of their self-aggrandizing idiocy, you can be quite certain that there is a fallback. multiple fallbacks.

asciilifeform: at least in recent chips.

asciilifeform: fwiw i will not buy any new intel product. haven't, for quite some time.

asciilifeform: won't buy post-2011 amd either.

asciilifeform: 'The author is concerned about backlash and has asked to remain pseudonymous by signing this report with a public hash of their name' << lol wai am i reading this

asciilifeform: neither i nor anybody else with half a brain need these charts, or 'We are going to use the Kolmogorov-Smirnov test here...', or any of it, to know that 'tether' is a gox-style scam

asciilifeform: and the folx who know, and do not care, are http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-10#1768490 , they are as culpable as the orig author. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-01-10 16:50 asciilifeform: to round off the crackpottery, 'superlinear' is when the chumps deposit their dough, but afterwards ~go home to get more~, to bring friends, etc.

asciilifeform: and deserve to burn on same pyre.

asciilifeform: !!up laplinker

asciilifeform: laplinker: consider registering with deedbot ,

asciilifeform: !!help

asciilifeform: ^ get a permanent name.

asciilifeform: !~ticker --market all

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laplinker: sry, had to go deal with some stuff unexpectedly. catching up

asciilifeform: laplinker: register with deedbot; then you will be able to get ratings; and self-voice.

asciilifeform: as it is, if you come back, no one knows who is speaking, 'shakespeare -- or another man by the same name', for instance.

asciilifeform: laplinker: keep in mind also that there can be no question of e.g. selling probes, to somebody not in wot.

asciilifeform: !~later tell mod6 http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2018-January/000285.html << i noticed, somehow only nao, that it has text 'This experimental vpatch requests blocks from all nodes that send a version message.' >> which has 0 relation to the patch...

asciilifeform: !~later tell mod6 or hm nm brain spasm, strike that.

asciilifeform read 'blocks requests' instead of 'requests blocks', prolly oughta sleep moar

asciilifeform: ... and to stay away from heavy machinery, lol

mod6: Thanks for reading and trying to pick out if it said the wrong thing though. I appreciate that.

asciilifeform: mod6: i was rereading , looking for old item, and went 'wtf', but entirely own brain spasm

asciilifeform: https://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/6309/31478297.28d/0_85def_d925370_XXXL.jpg << oblig.

asciilifeform: err, https://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/6312/31478297.28d/0_85de0_78b4abc5_XXXL.jpg

asciilifeform: or perhaps best of all, https://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/6213/31478297.28d/0_85dde_3ddcbe7e_XXXL.jpg .

mod6: "If you try to throw yourself upon the wheels of the great machine, you're gonna have a bad time, Komrade"

asciilifeform: some of these have pretty great possibilities for double-meaning, e.g. https://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/9254/31478297.2d7/0_aca84_b516d1dd_XL.jpg >> 'mmm, hi-fi!11'

trinque: this some kind of "without the workers we wouldn't have all this glorious fy00t0r" ?

asciilifeform: trinque: naaah , orig -- equiv. of american osha plaquards

asciilifeform: cautioning against various 'oopses'

asciilifeform: https://fotki.yandex.ru/users/kolonist62/album/137117? << moar than you could ever want.

asciilifeform: https://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/479589/31478297.35a/0_decf0_ff2e3f85_X5L.jpg << e.g. 'leave unexploded ordnance alone'

asciilifeform: ( some of these will make sense only to orcs, e.g. https://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/233577/31478297.35a/0_dece9_75feb48a_X5L.jpg << 'do not dry by the fire clothes you have washed in petrol' )

trinque: ah speaking of missing fingers, where's that liveleak

BingoBoingo: trinque: Ty for the film. Hopefully I can see it sometime before March.