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mod6: evenin'
deedbot: http://www.contravex.com/2017/06/01/the-ethereum-market-cap-fallacy/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - The Ethereum market cap fallacy.
phf: compiling cyrtex for plain tex, errors out. google gives
phf: “e-TeX is assumed nowadays by everything other than 'pure' plain TeX. AS
phf: such, the \numexpr primitive is used by some of the hyphenation patterns
phf: built into the LaTeX format by babel. ” etc.
mod6: "In his paper, Pearson gave several interesting examples of the previous misuse of statistics; and he also proved that certain runs at roulette (which he had experienced during two weeks at Monte Carlo in 1892) were so far from the expected frequencies that odds against the assumption of an honest wheel were some 10^29 to one!"
mod6: -knuth, art of programming vol. 2. seminumerical algos
asciilifeform: mod6: possibly earliest properly logical unmasking of sham rng
asciilifeform: ( though... b. pascal might contend for the title )
asciilifeform: phf: yes it's wormy
asciilifeform: the maggots have been eating it for decades.
asciilifeform: but you knew that.
phf: right, i had reddit knowledge of it, but now i'm trying to get a nice hardcopy of a book that i only have in text, and i'm rapidly gaining tmsr knowledge of just how rotten it is
mod6: http://www.mod6.net/fg/fg-test/fg-test.html
asciilifeform: oh hey.
mod6: just throwing a matrix together of all the test data.
asciilifeform: mod6: mind if i link to this from snsa?
mod6: not at all.
asciilifeform: ty for this work, mod6
asciilifeform: now if other FG-enabled folx would do same !
shinohai: I am not exactly enabled yet but will be putting in the work asap
mod6: asciilifeform: np!
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/30B7ED34A5F05D6223C5646476959197E06A6892D7A6AC59450E8972AF85B4F8 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1529...4057 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (li26-247.members.linode.com. US TX)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/30B7ED34A5F05D6223C5646476959197E06A6892D7A6AC59450E8972AF85B4F8 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1353...2633 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (li26-247.members.linode.com. US TX)
asciilifeform: http://nosuchlabs.com updated !
mod6: asciilifeform: cool!
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/BC35128DD59E77D75796B3858277D83916208756EC53DDE60FB6E0961AA03157 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1633...8187 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (10160.ovz-ssd2.hc.ru. RU) ☟︎
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/BC35128DD59E77D75796B3858277D83916208756EC53DDE60FB6E0961AA03157 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1609...9637 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (10160.ovz-ssd2.hc.ru. RU)
mircea_popescu: phf "nowadays" rapidly becoming ourdemocracy's chief dirty word.
mircea_popescu: and speaking of the "новые высоты прогресса и цивилизации", it can't quite escape one's notice that EVERY SINGLE FEMALE of reproductive age without exception lives in this thing where the bed is always within physical reach. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: the fucking chickens of the fucking democracy coops.
ben_vulpes on a particularly brutal gentoo quest
ben_vulpes: buying a new video card just to slice a part of the possibility space off
ben_vulpes: halfheartedly, entirely deflated dick in hand, bantuized the thing. worked, but...could not muster the spirit to continue with hardware so degraded
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: plox to expand?
asciilifeform: meanwhile!! http://nosuchlabs.com/fg/cagetest/1.jpg , http://nosuchlabs.com/fg/cagetest/2.jpg ☟︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: whatddayamean 'bed always within physical reach' ☟︎
asciilifeform: pr0n chix tend to photograph selves in... bed, newz at 11?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: latest sojurn hung at "Booting the kernel."
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: describe on what
asciilifeform: and which kernel
ben_vulpes: intel i7, nvidia geforce 550 ti, and as for "which kernel" i do not properly know how to answer the question but built with CHOST="x86_64-gentoo-linux-gnu"
asciilifeform: which bootloader?
ben_vulpes: lilp
ben_vulpes: lilo*
ben_vulpes: VIDEO_CARDS="nvidia" at least had the system booting, ="nouveau" hung as described
asciilifeform: noveau afaik never worked.
ben_vulpes: oh cool
asciilifeform: ( at least on no iron asciilifeform ever tried )
asciilifeform: there is no opendrivered gpu worth half a shit
asciilifeform: if you want a crypto-capable box, ditch the nvidia (and the intel)
asciilifeform: otherwise swallow the liquishit from vendor.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-02#1664455 << lol : fireworks shop ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-06-02 01:55 deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/BC35128DD59E77D75796B3858277D83916208756EC53DDE60FB6E0961AA03157 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1633...8187 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (10160.ovz-ssd2.hc.ru. RU)
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: this is not strictly speaking a "hygenic" box
ben_vulpes: but i have at least managed to rid myself of the apple dep
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/EEAF0C080A5248C89F5ABC79A7074B1223A1E0F6C65017CFEC04851F7D185119 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1419...0313 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (mail.wtcusa.net. US KS)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/EEAF0C080A5248C89F5ABC79A7074B1223A1E0F6C65017CFEC04851F7D185119 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1532...1037 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (mail.wtcusa.net. US KS)
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 2435.53, vol: 16169.46593995 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 2328.025, vol: 8680.62128 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 2327.35006495, vol: 17231.92501498 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 2557.530469, vol: 17308.49040000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 2423.148, vol: 9548.44559952 | Volume-weighted last average: 2423.86832475
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-02#1664465 << what the label says, within a coupla feet of the thing. no idea what your definition of "porn chicks" is, but the item here discussed is 15 to 30yo female, no further filters. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-06-02 03:26 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: whatddayamean 'bed always within physical reach'
BingoBoingo imagines alf "porn chick" construction is a redundant labeling like "covetous Jew"
mircea_popescu: well.,.. some jooz are rich...
BingoBoingo: They still covet, It's in their nature
mircea_popescu: btw, did you see the hebrew hammer ?
BingoBoingo: Not that I remember, but I did see an awesome swarm of bees today.
mircea_popescu: notbad comedy. somewhat in the vein of leslie nielsen's stuff.
BingoBoingo: One very happy contractor is now a few hundred bees richer
BingoBoingo: I may have to carve out the time to see it.
mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/2017/05/gianforte-and-sanity-prevail-in-montana-referendum-on-self-defense/#comment-99280 << problem is... how do you report on something liek that.
mircea_popescu: i suppose could keep calling the everyone in dnc to "comment on" the thing. sort-of like how fake news / new york times does it...
jurov: radeon opensource driver works decently here. but kernel config alone is not enough, you have to feed it correct firmware as described in $manual, too ☟︎
BingoBoingo: Well maybe commenter ends up reporting on story in the comments?
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/06/trump-deals-blow-to-international-pantsuit-party-with-withdrawal-from-paris-accord/ << Qntra - Trump Deals Blow To International Pantsuit Party With Withdrawal From Paris Accord
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/qntra-sqntr-may-2017-statement/ << Trilema - Qntra (S.QNTR) May 2017 Statement
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo "the accord which being quit" ?
mircea_popescu: whole piece needs a re-read, lotta e2l weird in there.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-02#1664501 << blobware != open ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-06-02 06:48 jurov: radeon opensource driver works decently here. but kernel config alone is not enough, you have to feed it correct firmware as described in $manual, too
asciilifeform: and it's shit blobware, too, vertical screens dun work with acceleration
trinque: appeared to keep working over here
trinque: when I randr'd 90 degrees
trinque: but then there's "radeon" and "radeonsi"
trinque: blobware yes, though. something like 16 fucking firmware files
asciilifeform: it blows my mind that folx consider these somehow 'open'.
asciilifeform: the blobuline nics ditto
trinque: has some like, files to compile and they go zoom in the terminal
trinque: totally hackery
asciilifeform: 'it sits on my front bus and can do whatever it wants and has 400 cores that run fuckknkwswhat, but at least the util for loading up (some) of the cores with liquishit, is open source!!'
trinque: yeah exactly. it's a participatory democracy of a computer, gotta expect to share
asciilifeform: trinque: which radeon did you have ?
asciilifeform: every single one i ever tried, worked poorly or not at all with multiple-vertical-outs
trinque: ah I'm not running multiple vertical screens.
trinque: but rx480
asciilifeform: aah
asciilifeform: in other noose, obummer buys 8.1m $ mega-house.
phf: you can buy a patek philippe caliber 89 from christie's for $11m. last time it went for $5m in 2009. at that inflation rate obummer bought a 2009 $4m house, which is a reasonable upper middle for potomac apparatchiks. ☟︎☟︎
mod6: mornin'
phf: i've been to social events at these houses, and they are just glorified mcmansions. i was actually wondering about these mega-houses last time i recently took a trip to Fallingwater. who now among "the wealthy" is building these kaufmann residences that in 100 years time people will want to visit?
phf: oh, i know this area, obama's neighborhood is 5 minutes walking from me, it's all old construction, so not so much a "mega-house" as a large&old dc property (apparently made from real stone!1)
phf: those houses are nifty, because built by sane people until a contractor gets to "renovate" the interior
asciilifeform: phf: i've been inside a bunch of these, but only on embassy expo day
asciilifeform: they feel like houses on home planet ( proper height of ceiling, the correct 100+ y.o. 'old sofa' smell, steam heat, etc )
shinohai lives in 105 yr old house, but revels in the whole "no formaldehyde" smell.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-02#1664526 << gotta ask, why not -- by same logic -- derive inflation rate from usd-btc ? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-06-02 14:17 phf: you can buy a patek philippe caliber 89 from christie's for $11m. last time it went for $5m in 2009. at that inflation rate obummer bought a 2009 $4m house, which is a reasonable upper middle for potomac apparatchiks.
asciilifeform: it is tempting to think of inflation as a scalar, but it isn't a scalar.
asciilifeform: re 'patek' etc, see also http://btcbase.org/log/2015-08-22#1248284 . ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2015-08-22 14:05 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-08-2015#1248273 << in my eyes, a ~skilled~ art forger is a hero second only to a hypothetical fella who puts an actual bullet through a bilderberger. why, exactly, should i have any sympathy for the folks hitching a ride in the only 100% effective inflation shelter known, at the expense of literally everybody else ?
phf: inflation is a dynamic process, so it's neither a scalar nor not a scalar
asciilifeform: paper-gold is mixed into the market valuation of all-gold, paper-bitcoin (though it only works on bottom half of bell curve...) into price of actual-bitcoin, but art forgers are hunted like terrorists, Because Reasons.
asciilifeform: phf: tensor!111
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-02#1664526 << i'm entirely shocked he didn't divorce. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-06-02 14:17 phf: you can buy a patek philippe caliber 89 from christie's for $11m. last time it went for $5m in 2009. at that inflation rate obummer bought a 2009 $4m house, which is a reasonable upper middle for potomac apparatchiks.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes because reasons. REASONS == independent, as always.
mircea_popescu: wtf is "corruption" ? people-other-than-usg having control over property!!11
mircea_popescu: wtf is you know, any OTHER crime ? there is no other crime. that's the crime.
phf: maybe they are planning on going for michelle 2020 after all
mircea_popescu: i have nfi how that worked, but it's pretty far out there.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> whole piece needs a re-read, lotta e2l weird in there. << re-read v1
mircea_popescu: "Once again, while Trump the United States a smidge closer to The Great Again, but"
BingoBoingo: ty fxd
mircea_popescu: in other lulz ~nobody cares about : ucr (universidad de costa rica) is this massively dominant player. apparently it has 3`623 non-tenured, 1`726 tenured faculty. the former are bitchin' that they want "the same salary conditions" as the latter, which is very much representative of latino mental simplicity.
mircea_popescu: but the scandal exposed a coupla lulz, such as that the ucr spends 80% (!!!) of its income to pay salaries, and that income is ~500mn a year.
asciilifeform: usd?
mircea_popescu: ya
asciilifeform: i had nfi there were 500mn usd in all of cr, not merely the obscure ( i had nfi it existed...) ucr
asciilifeform: from where comes the dough ? usg parked a printing press down there ?
mircea_popescu: costa rica is a rich country dood. above ohio below arizona or somesuch.
mircea_popescu: you do realise that at least half the 50 us states are below average, in the sense most countries actually are doing better, yes ?
asciilifeform: half of'em are nearly empty, but for corn field and rocket base
asciilifeform: so not high bar.
asciilifeform: ( ever look at usa from airplane ..? )
mircea_popescu: so you know, made 50bn gdp, bout same as panama, 4x nicaragua. which is how come all the chicks in strip joints are nigaraguaneans.
asciilifeform: incidentally -- what does cr export ?
mircea_popescu: vacations
asciilifeform: aaah so it's one of those 'rich because that's where money goes to sit on the beach' places.
mircea_popescu: yup. pretty much entirely it.
asciilifeform: still doesn't explain why university. who attends it ? anyone publishes in it ? how does the setup work.
mircea_popescu: "highest level of foreign direct investment per capita of latin maerica", ie, a fine definition of whether you're poor or not is whether you have a gf here holding down a fort.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sure, they publish the usual crud. it's where you pick up the girlies, mostly.
asciilifeform: sounds like 50s cuba
asciilifeform: possibly even with the attendant boojum waiting in the wings.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-27#1648233 << that was on the grounds, ECONOMIX faculty. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-04-27 02:15 mircea_popescu: his answer ? exito. (success).
mircea_popescu: anyway, they export some ic / medical gear. but plenty of coffee banana etc.
asciilifeform: lol united fruit
mircea_popescu: hey, intel build a plant.
asciilifeform: 'The Intel® Teach Program helps teachers integrate technology into their classrooms to enhance student learning. In Costa Rica, the Intel Teach Program is coordinated in collaboration with the Ministry of Public Education, was implemented by the Omar Dengo Foundation, and now is executed by CECC-SICA.'
asciilifeform: lulzy, 'hold the winblowz fort in the turd world' item
asciilifeform: ( for aficionados : whole thing, http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/corporate-responsibility/intel-in-costa-rica.html )
asciilifeform: 'More than 60 percent of K-12 teachers in Costa Rica have participated in this program since the program started in 2000...'
mircea_popescu: they really don't have much of a clue. happy go lucky sort of tree dwellers.
asciilifeform: 'See how the Intel® She Will Connect program is helping women change their lives.' << didjaknow!!
shinohai: so lulzy
asciilifeform: 'On the heels of last year’s closure of chip manufacturer Intel‘s assembly plant in Costa Rica, the company announced Monday that it’s opening a new Client Computing Group (CCG) in Costa Rica. The new unit will be responsible mostly for developing tablets and PCs.' (2015)
asciilifeform: looks like mircea_popescu's intel is a little out of date..
asciilifeform: plant moved to asia. what's left is jerbsprogram
asciilifeform: ( why it remains - i have nfi; perhaps intel exec gurlz to holdthefort etc )
mircea_popescu: prolly.
mircea_popescu: lol elon musk quit "forum on job creation" because hey, paris accord was major "job creation" wtf.
mircea_popescu: anyway, back to cr, it's kinda funny. i recall their currency being reasonably stable, but since i've been here it shed about 10% against the dollar. so the natl bank is all "wtf is wrong with you people", put 1bn of the reserve on the market, etc.
mircea_popescu: this re whole "kinda clueless treefolk"
asciilifeform: i'd suppose that mircea_popescu is there for the good weather, not for the company of tree-dwellers
mircea_popescu: why not ? troglodyte female muchly preferable to ustarded female.
mircea_popescu: young people are going to be stupid, this is a given. might as well deal with the naive than with the millitantly idiotic.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: didja ever determine why in cr 'naive', but in ar 'militant idiotic' ? is the idiocy-ray emitter in antarctica, or wat
mircea_popescu: ah, peronismo.
mircea_popescu: generally speaking, homebrew nationalism is ~worst thing that can happen to a country. way worse than foreign invasion.
asciilifeform: lol, ukrs
asciilifeform: aha
mircea_popescu: it's what distinguishes say reddit and to some degree twitter from the average fucktard forum / website. dudes on reddit actually developed some sort of idiotarian self-identity on top of everything else.
mircea_popescu: so they go around you know, "we did it argentina!! sun rise!!!" and inqualifiably dumb shit like that.
asciilifeform: do perons appear in empty vacuum tho
asciilifeform: picture if the ameritourism were to evaporate in cr. how long before it peronizes.
mircea_popescu: dude's epitaph is this : he once claimed that when he took power there were all these sacks of gold and dollars and wealth, "hanging around, clearly being misused -- cuz not used to levantar el pueblo" etc.
mircea_popescu: THAT is how they appear, when there's too much wealth and too little noose for the poor to go with it.
mircea_popescu: exactly how it appeared in moscow, too. had the tzar fucking hung twenty million uppity bitches, starting with half of georgia, there'd have not been any problem.
asciilifeform: ottomans also
mircea_popescu: everyone.
asciilifeform: one tricky bit, afaik, is that the proverbial sacks of gold do not 'levantar el pueblo' under any circumstances at all; instead they immediately grow legs and walk, walk away to a faraway place and never again seen
mircea_popescu: and it's not like they're not asking for it and everything.
mircea_popescu: recall that time when they stomped each other on some field ?
asciilifeform: the ecuador war ?
mircea_popescu would have ordered ALL the participants hung. what did czar do ? apologize ?
mircea_popescu: you don't fucking apologize to the cow herd for IT having stampeded.
mircea_popescu: next fucking time, stay home, or if you come FUCKING BEHAVE
mircea_popescu: filthy bitchez...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the khodynka field poorfucktardfest.
mircea_popescu: anyway, point being they're asking, and if you dun answer then dun be surprised.
asciilifeform: when you have stampedes in the capital, you ( ruler/civ1player ) Have A Problem ; just as d00d with tumour that is large enough to be palpable, has problem
mircea_popescu: unlike tumour, this problem is very approachable.
mircea_popescu: sure, once you have 500`000 dead bodies in a pile it's time to build a new church and beg forgiveness for having let things get this far.
mircea_popescu: but nicholas was just ascending, it wasn't his fucking fault alexander was a faggot.
asciilifeform: unless yer rounding up ~defenseless gypos etc , 500kilocorpse is called 'civil war' and it doesn't come with a guarantee of win
mircea_popescu: 500k idiots who stampede themselves to death vs hussar regiments ? really ?
mircea_popescu: i guess i'm beheading even more people.
asciilifeform: i suppose mircea_popescu is posting from parallel universe where 1917 didn't happen
mircea_popescu: this was 1896. the REASON 1917 happened was that nicholas was a fucktard in 1896.
asciilifeform: i.e. followed the pitchforks-vs-landsknecht dynamic pictured above
mircea_popescu: had he fired all available artillery into the crowd, there'd have been no fucking bs.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, exactly opposite.
mircea_popescu: the populace had to have a clear statement of its fault, and punishment comensurate. this is what government is.
mircea_popescu: what he did was, he failed to punish them for their misbehaviour, from which they concluded, quite in the infantile manner of subhumans, that tyhey had done nothing wrong
asciilifeform: incidentally ivan iv did try this exact thing
mircea_popescu: and that there's some room for them to "make judgements" and whatnot.
asciilifeform: ( spoiler : didn't work )
mircea_popescu: and i don't seem to recall his problems with the fucking reds.
mircea_popescu: worked fine, what are you talking about.
asciilifeform: from this pov.. worked.
mircea_popescu: well that's the pov.
asciilifeform: the larger point also good one -- any problem ( short of perhaps asteroid ) starts small and spends good chunk of its life cycle in curable phase
mircea_popescu: and the need for the cure is constantly signalled, and the cure always is exactly that : round them all up and hang them.
mircea_popescu: nor is this only the problem of governance. for years before sham ustardian marriage ends in divorce wife begs for some checks, which husband doesn't provide because idiot ; but then really has no one else to blame.
mircea_popescu: before growing up to be stupid, kids spend their childhood begging for some guidance. and so following.
mircea_popescu: fucking "demonstrations" and whatnot. what are they "demonstrating" ? that "oh look, you're not going to drive the tanks through us!11 like you fucking should!!111 awell, i guess you're not fit to rule then huh."
mircea_popescu: doh.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2014-01-26#461120 << see also thread ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2014-01-26 19:37 asciilifeform: just as the chinese replied, in '89, to 'why tanks?', with 'we aren't the u.s., can't afford warehouses full of "humane" riot gear'
mircea_popescu: fuck that retarded deflective shit.
asciilifeform: they passed the exam tho.
asciilifeform: su -- flunked
mircea_popescu: sure.
mircea_popescu: well, su really needed new government. the "socialist" bullshit only runs so far.
mircea_popescu: unlike the eurotards, they got out relatively early, 1 century in.
asciilifeform: not clear, at least to asciilifeform's naked eye, that they 'got out', or that the box even has an out-hole
asciilifeform: ( ru still has crown-as-principle-economic-agent megastate, for instance )
asciilifeform: *principal
mircea_popescu: im really not that familiar
mircea_popescu: but if i had to guess i'd say a larger % of all-wealth-controlled-by-russians belongs to "criminals" and "terrorists" than is the case of the us.
mircea_popescu: which is the ~only criteria of respectability.
asciilifeform: how 'respectable' when most of'em are still l1/l2 of su wot.
mircea_popescu: this per se isn't a problem.
asciilifeform: and it also isn't clear to me why -- even when the corpse really Musted Die -- maggots are somehow 'respectable'
asciilifeform: they eat carrion, yes.
mircea_popescu: but of course they'd be within su wot. that's how these light states work.
ben_vulpes: john robb on an entirely new trip: http://globalguerrillas.typepad.com/globalguerrillas/2017/06/man-is-dead-and-we-have-killed-him-you-and-i.html
mircea_popescu: lemme guess, nietzsche ?
ben_vulpes: that's the quote, yes
ben_vulpes: "perhaps outlawing masculinity is a bad idea?"
mircea_popescu: o i know, let's plead like a little bitch, that'll do something.
mircea_popescu: how about "man ain't interested in your dumb bitch hut, starve."
mircea_popescu: "We are killing masculinity. Maleness in all its forms has been deprecated as an outdated bit of software. Something to be rewritten for the modern world."
mircea_popescu: self important little cunts. what the everloving fuck, "look at me, i live without a roof, WE HAVE DEPRECATED ROOVES!!11"
mircea_popescu: hurr.
asciilifeform: for some reason atlases only ever shrug in bad megab00x by ru emigre chix, tho. and not in actual reality.
mircea_popescu: maleness in its you know, male form is doing fucking fine, and doesn'tr care about the stupid tea party.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the tiresome faggots who keedp going "oh mom, i too could be an atlas couldn't i ? i'm tall enough ?" are no fucking object of this discussion.
shinohai: http://archive.is/agUVE "Y U discriminate against me!!!!!"
mod6: got this FG #2 hooked up to the scope
asciilifeform: mod6: hm?
asciilifeform: ( you want logic analyzer, or at the very minumum : storage scope , for this , not much periodic wave to be had on FG )
mod6: got the probe setup on the out pin. been waiting to try this. just didn't incause I fuck it up.
mod6: *in case
asciilifeform: mod6: put the trigger on clock (CLK) pin
asciilifeform: all signals on the board (other than the 2 coming from rngs ) are in that clock domain
mod6: this scope has a usb port, so i dropped in the USB to see if I can get the output saved on there. gotta rtfm i think
asciilifeform: what do you hope to see on the scope, mod6 ? thing puts out 115200,8,1,noparity
asciilifeform: ( not, as you can already guess, contiguously -- but when there's a byte ready )
mod6: im more... using it as a vehicle to learn how to scope.
asciilifeform: aah
mod6: aha, clock has basic predictible pattern.
mod6: 'out' is pretty chatty too though
asciilifeform: try displaying clock and output in parallel
mod6: i do have two probes...
mod6 tries
asciilifeform: ( output has peridic component !! -- the start/stop bits )
asciilifeform: they're why a misbauded FG is nogood as an rng
mircea_popescu: and in other artificial inteligence, https://archive.is/0IIyG
mod6: oh huh!
mod6: i gotta take a pic here i think, but yah, two distinct different wave patterns.
mod6: @20 ns
mod6: http://www.mod6.net/fg/fg-test/20170602_142155.jpg http://www.mod6.net/fg/fg-test/20170602_142450.jpg
mod6: sorry for the yuuuge
mircea_popescu: i dunno wtf this is.
mod6: yellow (channel 1) is the clk output; blue (channel 2) is the 'out' output from the fg
mod6: mircea_popescu: just kinda takin a look at things, nothing in particular. educational.
mircea_popescu: so the clock transitions ~0.1ms ; but the output dun seem rightr
mircea_popescu: wtf values are those.
asciilifeform: mod6: your ground is loose
mod6: haha, i dun think im doin it right.
asciilifeform: you're seeing mains hum !!
asciilifeform: ( there are no sinusoids to be had on that board )
mod6: ah.
asciilifeform: to what did you attach the black crocodile ?
mod6: nada. wasn't sure on that.
asciilifeform: this might be kindergarten item , but :
asciilifeform: a voltage is a potential ~difference~
mod6: yah, im extreme n00b at this
asciilifeform: it exists ~between~ two objects
asciilifeform: mod6: you will notice that scope bnc connector has two conductors
asciilifeform: center connects to tip of probe
asciilifeform: shield - to the gnd clip
asciilifeform: mod6: you wouln't leave 1 lead off voltmeter hanging in the air, wouldja? same idea.
mod6: aha, ok
jurov: S.QNTR distributed
mod6: ok, well. huh.
mod6: i've since, just wanna look at the clock, see if i've got it hooked up right. i've got probe on channel one connected to 'clk' pin. probe's crock is attached to a lead coming off 'gnd' pin.
mod6: it's not a square wave tho.
asciilifeform: mod6: post pic ?
mod6: sure
asciilifeform: ( even a very clean clock, if frequency is >1MHz or so, will not look like 'ideal' square when viewed through clip probes on scope. you will see 'ringing' )
mod6: http://www.mod6.net/fg/fg-test/20170602_150946.jpg
asciilifeform: yeah, that'd be it
mod6: ya?!
mod6: decent! thanks, ima see if i can get the 'out' in there too
asciilifeform: get rid of the massive cable / multiple clip-to-cable joints
asciilifeform: if you want to see something closer to the actual signal
asciilifeform: at 14.7456MHz , your cable is a substantial parasitic capacitor ( and inductor )
mod6: yeah, i rigged that up, but im having trouble with the space. i suppose i could elminate the USB-TTL for power and just use 5v from Dr. Meter tho right?
asciilifeform: the effect in your picture is not the power supply's fault
asciilifeform: but very much a physical limitation of your measurement setup. see above.
mod6: gotcha
asciilifeform: another tip : rng shield is an ok place for the gnd clip
asciilifeform: ( it is tied to the ground plane )
mod6: ooh
mod6: ok
asciilifeform: ( you do NOT want a long wire between ground clip and the circuit )
asciilifeform: moar wisdom : the nose of the scope probe, comes off
asciilifeform: you can then use it as a manual sharp-needle-poke
mod6: ah, gotcha
mod6: ok, here's one with both clk & out; http://www.mod6.net/fg/fg-test/20170602_153853.jpg
mod6: i used the sheilds for gnd this time, feel like im learning a bit, thanks for the help.
asciilifeform: that looks atrocious
asciilifeform: is the blue input ac-coupled by any chance ?
mod6: i don't know
mod6: does the clk still look ok?
asciilifeform: it is still very loudly mutilated by your cabling but this is not avoidable (without specially made cable)
asciilifeform: it's why you'll find coax jacks on high-end fpga boards
mod6: these probes have this little switch on them. "1x -> 10x"
mod6: they were set to 10x, gonna see if turning 'em down to 1 shows me anything different
asciilifeform: if you set '10x' that turns on voltage divider
mod6: ok makes sense to what im seeing on the screen
asciilifeform: ftr mod6 has much spiffier scope than asciilifeform
asciilifeform: ( it's 1 or 2 models after )
mod6: lol, i simply have no clue what im doing :D
asciilifeform: mod6: after you have the basics , everything else will make sense.
mod6: so i did one more while I was at it: http://www.mod6.net/fg/fg-test/20170602_155427.jpg
mod6: clk looks better to me in that case, like I somehow have it dialed in more properly.
mod6: not sure about the 'out'
mod6: wb
asciilifeform: that looks horrid, mod6
asciilifeform: one or more of your grounds is loose.
mod6: lol, ok
mircea_popescu: looks like maybe it's summed up over a sampling interval or such ?
mircea_popescu: do you have a function like that activated ?
mod6: totally could be.
mod6: im just uber n00b on this thing. gotta rtfm.
asciilifeform: mod6: play with the test clip on the scope ( the thing immediately to the right of ch4 bnc jack ) first
asciilifeform: see if you can get it to display the wave pictured in the manual.
mod6: sure, ok. it does seem, that when i clip on to that with the crock, and the probe, it gets square just fine. i read that means that it's "compensated" correctly.
asciilifeform: it's what, 1kHz tho.
asciilifeform: mod6: another tip : when playing with fg & scope/logic analyzer, it is convenient to turn it upside-down and sink the 'teeth' into a breadboard
asciilifeform: then put wires in the breadboard, attached to scope
mod6: ah, ok. can do, i did get a breadboard.
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asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2017/06/02/5770-flambe/#comment-57116
asciilifeform: holy fuq pete_dushenski , i suppose you've never taken a heat sink off before ?!
asciilifeform: scrape that shit off, put in 'arctic silver' or whatever yer favourite 'toothpaste'
asciilifeform: then screw heat sink back on.
BingoBoingo: Eh, it's pete_dushenski. Peter throw some moly grease on it!
BingoBoingo: After degreasign sink and top of chip package
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BingoBoingo: !!up erlehmann
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erlehmann: dear diary, yesterday a person on IRC asked me if i am jealous after i referred to ethereum as a scam again. jealous, i asked. yes, she answered, jealous of people who invest in cryptocurrencies! ☟︎
erlehmann: phf i still use the neo2 keyboard layout. it has several advantages over qwert(y|z) for me: 1. less strain put on my hands 2. useless caps lock replaced with another mod key 3. built-in layers for useful unicode 4. compose in the base layout