phf:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-27#1690392 << fear mongering for rhetoric purposes, but my point is the same one as was made by the situationists: you can build negation into your tooling all you want, but if need be the maggots will find a way.
☝︎☟︎ a111: Logged on 2017-07-27 21:20 asciilifeform: phf: i can also imagine future where cannibals wear my stuffed skin, what of it
phf: fwiw, i'm just tryin' ta get a way to publish an occasional document; i was under an impression that TeX is a no brainer, it's supposedly inherently tmsr friendly. apparently not, and not only that, the whole stack, since before i was even doing computing was already llvm-like. layers upon layers of "autotools"
phf: (this started because i couldn't find a printed version of julius evola's "ride the tiger" in russian translation. i found a pirated version, that i figured i can just print through lulu. i still haven't produced a pdf version that doesn't rely on the whole 6gb tex distribution)
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, "kitchen appliance" really should be a standard body type.
mircea_popescu: phf i have long searched for said way. trilema is what i came up with.
mircea_popescu: in fairness though, it perhaps contains more "moderate your expectations" than actual solutions, by mass.
mircea_popescu: also re the "maggots will find a way", the tmsr point is subtler than that : a) yes they will but b) let it be the intake manifold and c) make sure the machine corrupts them into humanity.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> also in case of submergency. << haha
mircea_popescu: in other shockers, " My name is Stephanie. I graduated college with an associates degree in baking and pastry arts."
phf: still more useful than sociology
mircea_popescu: phf you realise, one could perhaps turn pastry making into a degree. BUT i guarantee that's not what they did.
mircea_popescu: souffle is a 4 week course if you're nuts. wtf are those, cupcakes ? out of pre-mixed batter ?
phf: i just can't share in this sentiment. girl can probably make herself useful by making pretty looking edibles for cupcake stores and weddings. i think that's more useful than sociology
mircea_popescu: you're considering things in isolation. sociology major has significantly different expense expectations.
phf: i agree that packaging (and the attempted status implication) is distasteful. but electric engineering etc. associate wouldn't be much different. a handful of specialist classes of varied quality mixed with utterly useless "general education" stuff
mircea_popescu: phf and a clear if intentionally obfuscated sentiment of own inferiority.
phf: НОВАЯ ИДЕЯ ОГОРАШИВАЕТ ЧЕЛОВЕКА, К НЕЙ НЕ ПОДГОТОВЛЕННОГО. I ПИСАТЕЛЬ: Я писатель! ЧИТАТЕЛЬ: А по-моему, ты говно! (Писатель стоит несколько минут, потрясенный этой новой идеей и падает замертво. Его выносят.) etc.
mircea_popescu: "I'm a grad student who will be going to grad school to become an occupational therapist."
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a111: Logged on 2017-07-28 00:16 phf:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-27#1690392 << fear mongering for rhetoric purposes, but my point is the same one as was made by the situationists: you can build negation into your tooling all you want, but if need be the maggots will find a way.
BingoBoingo: switch the default compiler on amd64 and i386 to clang,
BingoBoingo: but keep gcc4 in the build for these as well
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform virus does fine in "the hands" of enemy.
mircea_popescu: "senior" "political analist" "on maternity leave". hurr durr etcetera, signalling up to 11 maybe 9 wasn't enough.
mircea_popescu: for the record : it is incorrect romania had no indigenous vampire myth. the error is excusable due to the compelx circumstance : romania has TWO kinds of vampires. one is the flyer, a sort of strange beast that bothers young maidens (females only), giving them anemia and hot dreams. the other is a witch/ghost sort of item that comes out of children born with caput galeatum (caita in ro) which are improperly buried (no stake
mircea_popescu: through heart and other proceedings). these will then suck the mana (life force) out of crops/cattle.
mircea_popescu: so because the ro vampire idea was cleaved through the middle, separating the sexual and mystical portions into two different items it seems there's no indigenuous vampire myth.
mircea_popescu: in fact, there is, it was just born with story bifida.
BingoBoingo: Ah, well at least vlad tepee > jihadi peepee
mircea_popescu: (everyone else thinks caul births are a good omen. romanians, as usual, reverse.)
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> (everyone else thinks caul births are a good omen. romanians, as usual, reverse.) << Perhaps it is all the sons of beggars fearing the crown?
mircea_popescu tried to review sherlock holmes (in the shape of 1939 piece, with b rathebone). still can't understand how anyone can like it. dude's simply an exercise in contradictorianism.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo dood only reigned in one of 3 principalities though.
mircea_popescu: and in other weird, i give you tx 4dafebe97c293ac14788be9a0b8b4f900831c7424467dc92c787daf83d90c37c, sole item in block 477915
☟︎ mircea_popescu: and in unrelated random lulz : during ww1 the count of derby came up with a nutty scheme to pressure people into "volunteering" for service without actually calling a draft. in spite of involving every busybody that could be find, male and female, to pester and harass the general populace, 54% of married men and 38% of single men publicly refused to enlist thereby empirically measuring the mental power of a period wife to be
ave1: It now builds the 2016 GPL version by default
ave1: I've tested it with different gnats but so far did not get the adainclude problem
deedbot: FUD voiced for 30 minutes.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-28 08:27 mircea_popescu: and in other weird, i give you tx 4dafebe97c293ac14788be9a0b8b4f900831c7424467dc92c787daf83d90c37c, sole item in block 477915
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, in an empty block. enshrined if you will
mircea_popescu: the topic of that line is "strange, unexplained bitfield, found unfunctionally in single tx block, and other places".
a111: Logged on 2017-07-25 23:58 asciilifeform: replaces all mention of trilema with 'fraudster'
mircea_popescu: dorkitude's pretention to the contrary never lasts too long, or how did shakespeare put it.
mircea_popescu: ah, and in other imperial lulz : ahmed ben bella, m boufiaf, ex presidents of algerian republic, as well as all sorts of algerian politicians -> prison de la sante, paris.
mircea_popescu: not to mention various corsican independence "malfaiteurs" and so forth.
mircea_popescu: (such as colonna, more or less source of the old guy in
http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=un+prophete ; at his conviction in 2012 the french equivalent of a federal court gave reasoning for its sentence, for the first time in french legal practice. cuz empire wanna be part of euroland.)
mircea_popescu: makes it even lulzier that they had to destroy the block space to save it.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: no, i know. it doesn't do anything interesting ; perhaps a hash of some nonsense.
shinohai: !~later tell jurov getting error "MPEx rejected cancellation of this order. Please retry in few minutes." on coinbr for 3 days now, please to investigate.
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: if it keeps refusing his cancellations it can very well be.
mircea_popescu: and in other maga, wisconsin agrees to pay foxconn 3bn to employ 3k local tards so trump can claim the chinos invest in the us now.
mircea_popescu: this is some of the choicest lolz chop ever seen in teh field.
mircea_popescu: (for the slow of maffs and usg bureaukratura : 3bn for 3k means 1mn per head. woulda been cheaper to shoot them.)
mod6: the first time i start to see that Null Data for the coinbase tx is on block 476`174.
mod6: but 477915 seems to be strange with that 'data_hex: aa21a9ede2f61c3f71d1defd3fa999dfa36953755c690689799962b48bebd836974e8cf9' & 'script_type: null-data'
mod6: fwiw, p.bvulpes.com/pastes/C7K44/?raw=true
mod6: p.bvulpes.com/pastes/MRdh7/?raw=true
mod6: p.bvulpes.com/pastes/SG2rC/?raw=true
mod6: i reversed the bytes of the script ^
mod6: doesnt look like much ya
mod6: enter and lcall kinda got me thinkin though
mod6: i wonder wtf though 'eh?
deedbot: adlai voiced for 30 minutes.
adlai: my guess, given that it recurs, is that it's how the commitment to an empty tree looks. what it does, is tell us that those miners are producing SW blocks but have nobody actually using SW
adlai: some alts activated SW already, all the political pressure with nowhere to go in bitcoin, overflowed into, eg, litecoin
a111: Logged on 2017-07-28 14:56 mircea_popescu: makes it even lulzier that they had to destroy the block space to save it.
mircea_popescu: FACT : the "space gain" that will be provided by "segregated witness" in its entire existence will not actually cover the full bitcoin blocks lost to date with the dicking about.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, online commerce is ~entirely incapable to proceed with the use of credit cards.
mircea_popescu: what exactly "victory" ? for as long as ustards keep on pretending washington dc is "the capital" of some imaginary "sovereign country", they're more than welcome to... themselves... act if iti were. no more.
mircea_popescu: for as long as miners mine only txn divisible by two, they're welcome to... mine them.
mircea_popescu: wrt to the item of interest ? who the fuck cares what dood writes on his website.
mircea_popescu: obviously not the same size of stupidity. but the same KIND. which was the point here, category.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i'm not saying stupidity is not stupidity, you. i am saying, it is no sort of victory for the stupid.
mircea_popescu: people gouging out their eyes to spite their nose aren't specifically winning "some kind of victory against noses"
mircea_popescu: other idiots fall into, then spiders come and lay eggs, then moss eats the etc. eventually it's flat again.
mircea_popescu: thermodynamics will eventually dispose ; how about you don't give blind nature too much kinetics.
mircea_popescu: the hot topic nation has yet to come up with an original idea.
mircea_popescu: this is recurring item in african campaigns of colonial powers.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the important, overarching point above is that the situation is not symmetrical. yes, the continued existence of the republic is, in and of itself, some kind of victory against socialism ; but no, the continued existence of socialism is no kind of victory, for it, or against the republic.
mircea_popescu: the reason for the asymmetry is that socialism positively needs its unicity argument, as it has no others. without "ourdemocracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others [we're willing to consider, in a limited review intended to circularily "prove" the point]" there's no ourdemocracy.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile the republic needs no such nonsense, as it prevails in the open air against the pantsuit decoctions.
mircea_popescu: to remind : venice stood for a millenium. this is longer than the "thousand years reich" national-socialism managed ; it is longer than any french "republic" ever succeeded ; longer than the entire existence of the us by a factor of about three, notwithstanding the us didn't start out as a socialist state.
mircea_popescu: it is, actually, about twice as long as rome stood, their idle pretense to millenarity notwithstanding.
mircea_popescu: (rome became a socialist state with sulla ; or if you prefer marian reforms. this is about 4 centuries after the founding -- we're not about to credit the 750 date of the founding of the ~etruscan~ city)
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> (for the slow of maffs and usg bureaukratura : 3bn for 3k means 1mn per head. woulda been cheaper to shoot them.) << But lulziest to en-millionaire 3 kilobodies. So many bad decisions!
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> marginally qntrable, if bb's short on lulz today. << Still surveying the world. Could be Qntra'd likeley a perfect fit for shinohai's WHoreticulture journal
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo except, of course, there's not going to be 3k enmilionaired, but a little campaign contribution for wi whatevers and a little extra propo for the bezzle fortunes of w/e the fuck is the oligarch in charge.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Sure there are. Happens in hospital ER's across USia every day. Customer gets million dollars in credit and then ObuggeredCare
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> also, mccain defected gop ticket did he << Him AND Graham and a rotating handful of marginal Senators
BingoBoingo: Gotta cement that "maverick" legacy before phylactery finally rots
mircea_popescu: so, if dude is running down the street throwing benji confeti, you pick up ?
mircea_popescu: accessory after the fact ; or else obstruction of justice ; but in practice a cop will just come and steal all your shit, like the ever friendly usg-comissioner stealing bogart's money in passage to marseille.
mircea_popescu: bah, i mean "to have and have not", not passage to marseilles. apparently the cheapo war flicks are running together into one large casablanca.
deedbot: ascii_wtf voiced for 30 minutes.
ascii_wtf: sooo seems like my bouncer died, from magicpacket or similar
ascii_wtf: zoolag ( same box ) also down until i can physically get to where it lives.
ascii_wtf: ( monday or tues at the earliest. )
ag3nt_zer0: perhaps its out of my current range of understanding, but might someone point me in the direction that I may grasp how the hell a keypair created on an airgapped computer has relevance in the actual online network...? Applied Cryptography (blue) is en route so perhaps that will help but in meantime thought I would ask here as no luck with searches - don't even know what terms would bring that up...
phf: i think the question is "how is that i can generate a wallet offline/airgapped without telling anyone, but then it magically works on real network"
ag3nt_zer0: I guess my lame-o speculation is that a keypair somehow needs to have access to the network to "exist"
phf: presumably the answer is "you make it exist by spending to a public key"
phf: (and until you do its nature as a wallet can be debated philosophically. i think majority of tmsr is platonists, so there exists an infinitive number of wallets to which you can spend whether or not anyone has possession of them. you can though discover a wallet through the process of key generation)
phf: i think it's a continuation of his "how do i keep my coins safe without running full node" question
ag3nt_zer0: phf is this so because there can only be absolutely (1) corresponding private key to any given public key, no matter whether created on mars in the sand or in the computer on earth?
ag3nt_zer0: because mathematics is absolute? or this math is?
ag3nt_zer0: ok thanks... hmmm since you just indicated that applied crypto predates and answer to this question might you have anything to recommend off the top of your head for reading that I might get a more sturdy conceptual footing here?
phf: i've not actually read applied cryptography but if it has a section on public key cryptography it should demonstrate the "there can only be absolutely (1) corresponding private key to any given public key", but i guess in order to have certainty about the mechanism you should be reading books on number theory
phf: i don't understand ecc :(
phf: i make periodic attempts at it every once in a while, and every time i have to go further back in my mathematics education
ag3nt_zer0: hmmmm ok phf and asciilifeform thanks very much... I am thinking I don't even know what a computer is, philosophically... not grokking the fundamentals of LOGIC and physics - fish in water... what the hell IS a computer I guess I need to find out
ag3nt_zer0: anyone know of a good, or the good, metaphysics of computers or computation book?
phf: oh i was just taking a piss, because of asciilifeform's reaction. i don't think you have to go esoteric. i don't know of any books, but early lisp related research had plenty of "metaphysics of computing" papers of varied quality that will probably be easily demolished by any real philosopher. i don't know your level of knowledge but perhaps a "introduction to programming" book would do
phf: besides applied cryptography comes with C examples and to presupposes all kinds of knowledge that you probably don't have. since you already ordered it, and was planning on going through it, do so, and that'll show you where you might need to go from there
phf: (it will not be a waste to do so; an alternative reading suggestion will only be necessary if applied crypto is too dense and you're too lazy/undisciplined to fully commit to it)
ag3nt_zer0: heh this reminds me of TMSR: "E.W. Dijkstra who suggested IT companies not to hire programmers without a suitable knowledge in Latin."
ag3nt_zer0: can't even name a favorite track on that album - but a number of them are just incredible examples of his maturing skills and mastery of his niche... after listening to this album on repeat for the last two years I was totally shocked at the suicide news - made zero sense to me... it's a bit disconcerting to see those who helped inspire me to try to live a purposeful and meaningful life offing themselves
a111: Logged on 2017-07-28 19:58 asciilifeform: i suspect that the basic component ( the choice of curve ) is not actually ~understood~
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BingoBoingo: geekshop: WHo is your daddy and what does he do?