assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 5 @ 0.00361053 = 0.0181 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1808 @ 0.00355621 = 6.4296 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 600 @ 0.00355547 = 2.1333 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 537 @ 0.00353379 = 1.8976 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4128 @ 0.00063369 = 2.6159 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2450 @ 0.00064462 = 1.5793 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4272 @ 0.00064841 = 2.77 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1937 @ 0.00353379 = 6.845 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2450 @ 0.00353379 = 8.6578 BTC [-]
smickles: mircea_popescu: you'll have to give us a goo Romanian vampire story some day. Like one about babies being taken in the night by the upyr lady or somehting
jcpham: hello and happy new year
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 476 @ 0.00353379 = 1.6821 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1800 @ 0.00351291 = 6.3232 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 96 @ 0.00350619 = 0.3366 BTC [-]
smickles: howdy jcpham, starting things off well, i hope :)
jcpham: still have about 75 gallons of beer to drink
smickles: jcpham: that could cause a lot of drunk fish
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 13.24098, Best ask: 13.24100, Bid-ask spread: 0.00002, Last trade: 13.24098, 24 hour volume: 29401.07197803, 24 hour low: 13.17324, 24 hour high: 13.56100, 24 hour vwap: 13.38349
smickles: uh oh, looks like a price dip is happening
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 550 @ 0.00354656 = 1.9506 BTC [+]
smickles: well, the elliot wavers probably see a decent dip beginning from this
smickles: also, this might establish an sma30 crossing
smickles: so peeps who like that technical will be selling too
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1800 @ 0.00354656 = 6.3838 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 400 @ 0.00361322 = 1.4453 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7410 @ 0.00063179 = 4.6816 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8776 @ 0.00063111 = 5.5386 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1day: 0.00350619 / 0.00358712 / 0.0036969 (82273 shares, 295.12 BTC), 30day: 0.0014 / 0.00327409 / 0.0037 (12791382 shares, 41,880.26 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1day: 0.00063111 / 0.00064982 / 0.00066 (384747 shares, 250.02 BTC), 30day: 0.00050368 / 0.00058449 / 0.00066 (69672257 shares, 40,723.17 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1526 @ 0.00353244 = 5.3905 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1887 @ 0.00350619 = 6.6162 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3628 @ 0.00063292 = 2.2962 BTC [+]
mod6: happy new year -assets :)
mod6: didja have a good New Years?
jurov: i was on mountain retreat
jurov: thestringpuller, use laz0rs
mircea_popescu: lmao yesterday someone bought like 10k or so ditm puts
jurov: mircea's gonna provide ammo?
mod6: sounds like some arbitrage perhaps
mod6: buy some puts, sell the market
smickles: mircea_popescu: they haven't sold them back yet tho
smickles: they are probaby working on ewt or simple techincal indicators, as i mentioned earlier some key spots happened today, they were pretty obviously comming tho
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8700 @ 0.00064196 = 5.5851 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 13.25400, Best ask: 13.28595, Bid-ask spread: 0.03195, Last trade: 13.25001, 24 hour volume: 28492.72287578, 24 hour low: 13.16123, 24 hour high: 13.56100, 24 hour vwap: 13.36504
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1850 @ 0.00350619 = 6.4865 BTC [-]
Namjies: I've never even heard about it.
mircea_popescu: (well, i didn't buy it from w/e that site is, but it's the brand/item)
mod6: I haven't had it either. I've just had champagne + chambord, thats as close as I've ever gotten. haha.
kakobrekla: I havent had an alcoholic beverage for years now i think
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla no wonder nobody wishes you gl in 2013 then :D
mod6: yeah, they were handing them out some years ago on NYE at a bar in phoenix
mod6: i don't drink at all anymore basically.
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu i was reffering to emails only
mod6: i had 1 beer last year at the state fair :D
mod6: eh, im not sure. too old I suppose haha
mod6: just doesn't agree with me anymore.
Namjies: My uncle was making excellent wines. He went out of business tho and back to some computer related job.
mircea_popescu: this of course just means the dry idiots are ruining the business, and in a century or two people will all drink piss
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1883 @ 0.00354949 = 6.6837 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1569 @ 0.00361322 = 5.6691 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 688 @ 0.0036272 = 2.4955 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 660 @ 0.00362951 = 2.3955 BTC [+]
jurov: beer? hygienic? wtf?
jurov: yea i had rose champagne, it's normal thing here
jurov: imho only people who never got drunk on good wine can always prefer beer.
jurov: wine drunk = euphoria. beer drunk = shit.
jurov: dark red? yes, that's novelty
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4265 @ 0.00064162 = 2.7365 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8393 @ 0.00063111 = 5.2969 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1442 @ 0.00063008 = 0.9086 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: literally, ion that pic on that site i linked, the bottle is clear.
pigeons: people who drink their piss claim its hygenic
kakobrekla: bucha pussies, bang+schnapps=mind blown
jurov: okay. closest to that i had only some blackcurrant wine with bubbles
jurov: maybe best wine i ever had was elderberry+white plums mix made by my brother
jurov: and what would be that? apple wine is. currant wine is.
smickles: I once cultured some yeast off of concord grapes, then used that to make wine out of the same sort of grapes. It gave a plesant time :)
jurov: whatever. i should be sorting the mpoe dividend mess, it keeps biting me
jurov: ;;calc 1425.29917774/500000000
jurov: that's 0.00000285 BTC/share
jurov: why does my code think it's 10x more?
jurov: no, it was caused by mircea's mistake that was immediately retconned
jurov: after i hastily fixed it up it ended up here with correct result but with humongous "rounding error" corrections
smickles: jurov: that mpoe short would've worked out well for you
smickles: sry, random, but I was just looking at what it potentially could've been
jcpham: smickles i discovered minecraft
smickles: lol, you know, i run a small tekkit server
jcpham: i'm both ahead of and behind the curve as far as what is cool
jcpham: i played for 3 days sleepless
jcpham: how do i build traps i need gunpowder!
smickles: move them with water into a 'lava blade' is one way
jcpham: i'm really caught up with water and lava contraptions
smickles: you should just be able to make stacks of those
smickles: or, you could get really fancy and efficient with redstone
jcpham: redstone is where i'm heading
jcpham: like 500 redstone in chests unused
smickles: find a creeper spawner, they're rare
jcpham: i've mostlydug out huge underground wonders
smickles: heh, if you get into redstone, 500 is a tiny amount
smickles: I made a game where the players hit buttons to send a wave of wool blocks, in various lanes, across to their opponent to knock them off
jcpham: i'm still understanding what all is possible
smickles: i once saw a working example of a simplified version of minecraft in minecraft, so I imagine a great many things are possibel
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1522 @ 0.00350619 = 5.3364 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 578 @ 0.00350267 = 2.0245 BTC [-]
PsychoticBoy: If you are intrested in buying shares please PM me with your offer.
mircea_popescu: ill pay a whole coin just to give smickles the headache of liquidating all that.
PsychoticBoy: I want to close down FDBF but at this rate it will take my whole life
Bugpowder: S.DICE is up 10,000 BTC in the first day of the new year
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2100 @ 0.00350267 = 7.3556 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 13.26000, Best ask: 13.34000, Bid-ask spread: 0.08000, Last trade: 13.25551, 24 hour volume: 29045.23424401, 24 hour low: 13.16123, 24 hour high: 13.56100, 24 hour vwap: 13.34483
smickles: < mircea_popescu> ill pay a whole coin just to give smickles the headache of liquidating all that <<< i've been charging .75btc/hr for that service
smickles: mircea_popescu: Are you asking me to reveal the identity of my clients?
smickles: I don't think I've discussed that sort of thing with many of them, so I'll refrain from doing that
smickles: anyone who I've done 'liquidation work' for, mircea_popescu want's to know you, in that way. speak up if you want to.
mircea_popescu: this way i can pay PsychoticBoy 1 btc to give the assets to those people so they can liquitate them using smickle's services
Bugpowder: I like the blog post. Strange convergence. I know rassah IRL from way back. Many parties were had
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 600 @ 0.00064196 = 0.3852 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1500 @ 0.00064448 = 0.9667 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: i always suspected rassah = pretty hawt chick. is this a fact ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 4185 @ 0.00350267 = 14.6587 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: looks like the trading bots have started playing around on S.DICE
Bugpowder: he is one of my all time favorite people
Bugpowder: How do you get a dancefloor started?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1208 @ 0.00063008 = 0.7611 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3192 @ 0.00062926 = 2.0086 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: Take a bunch of streamers and run circles around everyone who passes by until the dancefloor is packed
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.00063572 = 2.7336 BTC [+]
gigavps: i'm only up 1500 btc on the site....
smickles: gigavps: uesed to be on the big winner list
evoorhees: gigavps you and gowest are on my enemies list ;)
mircea_popescu: big winners are a casino's best friend. they give everyone else hopes.
gigavps: i only play when i'm drunk and happy
smickles: heh, win >1kbtc, get a free pair of loaded SD branded dice
gigavps: the dude betting 250 on 18% blew me off the leader board
smickles: evoorhees: can i license the brand to sell dice?
evoorhees: smickles - if you're serious I'd love to make that happen, send me an email if so
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 255 @ 0.00351468 = 0.8962 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00351468 = 3.5147 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1150 @ 0.00351468 = 4.0419 BTC [+]
evoorhees: S.DICE dividend is going out in a matter of minutes fyi
leenak: evoorhees: you run sdice?
leenak: It's pretty popular these days, no?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 145 @ 0.00351468 = 0.5096 BTC [+]
evoorhees: leenak yeah it's been pretty popular since May, but last two months has picked up further
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 318 @ 0.00351487 = 1.1177 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 682 @ 0.00351487 = 2.3971 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1150 @ 0.00351538 = 4.0427 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2777 @ 0.0035377 = 9.8242 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1647 @ 0.00362951 = 5.9778 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1500 @ 0.00363509 = 5.4526 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 4244 @ 0.00363721 = 15.4363 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1456 @ 0.00363721 = 5.2958 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1650 @ 0.00364582 = 6.0156 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2100 @ 0.00364968 = 7.6643 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1210 @ 0.00366141 = 4.4303 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1603 @ 0.00367283 = 5.8875 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2200 @ 0.00368216 = 8.1008 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1700 @ 0.0036855 = 6.2654 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3081 @ 0.0037 = 11.3997 BTC [+]
evoorhees: lol who waited this long to buy it?
mod6: haha, *shrug* someone wanted MOAR though
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1day: 0.00350267 / 0.00358702 / 0.0037 (89122 shares, 319.68 BTC), 30day: 0.0014 / 0.00327514 / 0.0037 (12775543 shares, 41,841.76 BTC)
Bugpowder: damn. I was going to buy more S.DICE
mircea_popescu: evoorhees just announced div imminent and some buys happened
mircea_popescu: or to quote, <evoorhees> lol who waited this long to buy it?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] [PAID] 10000000 @ 0.0000001 = 1 BTC
evoorhees: I think that was about 5% yield in one month
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1day: 0.00350267 / 0.00358702 / 0.0037 (89122 shares, 319.68 BTC), 30day: 0.0014 / 0.00327514 / 0.0037 (12775543 shares, 41,841.76 BTC)
Bugpowder: Looking pretty good for this month too:)
Bugpowder: that +10,000 today should probably dampen any S.DICE dumps
evoorhees: yeah that happened as I was going to sleep last night... was drunk from new years eve party so number looked all blurry on my phone, but when I woke up I discovered it was true
Bugpowder: Man I was puming up S.DICE at some parties last night
Bugpowder: She thought FTC would not move on boitcoins
Bugpowder: people got other shit to worry about
evoorhees: SatoshiDice is not a US entity, is not hosted in the US, and does not use US currency
evoorhees: and in fact, it is impossible to stop US players from using it (since SD cannot prevent a payment to a bitcoin address)... so it'd be an interesting case
mircea_popescu: why ireland ? just so it happened or any particular reason ?
evoorhees: Ireland has reasonable legal leeway for online gambling
evoorhees: but it was somewhat arbitrary... just needed to be outside the US
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 13.30413, Best ask: 13.35574, Bid-ask spread: 0.05161, Last trade: 13.30413, 24 hour volume: 28326.50349508, 24 hour low: 13.16123, 24 hour high: 13.56000, 24 hour vwap: 13.33695
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 517 @ 0.00350284 = 1.811 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: time to put in a stink bid I think...
smickles: anyone who want's to short, i have some to lend :)
smickles: What did s.dice drop to last time? 14?
smickles: looks like 18 is the floor this time
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder the 10k it's ahead this month tho... significant deviation from the expected value. it may drop some
smickles: oh, not this chan anymore ? :(
Bugpowder: but it is expected to keep going up
mircea_popescu: well, no, statistically it's expected to converge to ev
Bugpowder: statistically its expected to continue to grow at ev
mircea_popescu: ya but it converges to ev over ALL time-space continuums
markedathome: evoorhees: is the balance on the sd app supposed to reflect that of the amount in the deposit address?
mircea_popescu: any section of bets converge to ev, no matter how arbitrarily picked out of the timeline
Bugpowder: the EV of this month is 10,000 + future bets *0.019
markedathome: mircea_popescu: read it but slightly too late at night for me to make any effective ideas.
mircea_popescu: tho tbh i doubht he ever walked away with that much coin
mircea_popescu: he walked away with the trollish satisfaction of having tricked a buncha people, sure.
markedathome: mircea_popescu: snorted it all accosrding to that chat log
Bugpowder: The story of veganhippie on seals for example
markedathome: evoorhees: the sd app is out of sync by about 0.05, possibly caused by a crash that happened that took out the machine (machine not the app), so don't know if app is misreading something somewhere
Bugpowder: Apparently (pre-seals) he got people to stake him $220,000 for a series of about 50 tourneys. After a few tourneys, he started gambling on the side with the money
Bugpowder: without playing in almost any tournies
Bugpowder: he is a very risky better on seals
mircea_popescu: i knew a guy like that, his defining moment being when he spent one week geting together 50k to participate in a casino tournament
mircea_popescu: and the thing is... he was a great poker player, he was a worse bj player than most girls i know
mircea_popescu: one of those can't do math but feels people through a closed door types.
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1day: 0.00350267 / 0.00358644 / 0.0037 (88939 shares, 318.97 BTC), 30day: 0.0014 / 0.00327513 / 0.0037 (12771137 shares, 41,827.18 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7727 @ 0.00063572 = 4.9122 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7100 @ 0.00063572 = 4.5136 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12500 @ 0.00064448 = 8.056 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3700 @ 0.00065 = 2.405 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2648 @ 0.00355562 = 9.4153 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1893 @ 0.00359775 = 6.8105 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 700 @ 0.00350284 = 2.452 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1293 @ 0.00359775 = 4.6519 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 514 @ 0.00359775 = 1.8492 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 573 @ 0.00361924 = 2.0738 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 4100 @ 0.00361924 = 14.8389 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1433 @ 0.00350284 = 5.0196 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1494 @ 0.00350267 = 5.233 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1773 @ 0.00349228 = 6.1918 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C120T] 1 @ 0.11992171 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P120T] 1 @ 0.01569055 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 4267 @ 0.00349766 = 14.9245 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 319 @ 0.00349228 = 1.114 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 814 @ 0.00348588 = 2.8375 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 10 @ 0.00356343 = 0.0356 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 80 @ 0.00356343 = 0.2851 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2010 @ 0.00356343 = 7.1625 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 890 @ 0.00361221 = 3.2149 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1053 @ 0.00359376 = 3.7842 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1247 @ 0.00359126 = 4.4783 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1920 @ 0.00364437 = 6.9972 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2280 @ 0.00366038 = 8.3457 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3595 @ 0.00063292 = 2.2753 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12505 @ 0.00063408 = 7.9292 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7228 @ 0.00062926 = 4.5483 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11527 @ 0.00062902 = 7.2507 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 495 @ 0.00062874 = 0.3112 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 4250 @ 0.00359126 = 15.2629 BTC [-]
jcpham: i like <font size="-1">
mircea_popescu: actually i don't see why people don't go full blast and declare e**-i font sizes
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3445 @ 0.00365486 = 12.591 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4850 @ 0.00062874 = 3.0494 BTC [-]
jcpham: i'm about to go rotate/replace gpus in the datacenter
jcpham: i hate it everytime i do that
jcpham: headless linux gpu mining rigs are particular
jcpham: especially once the ARDS MOVE AROUND
jcpham: it's going to end up beina a big pita for 700MH/s
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1505 @ 0.00365486 = 5.5006 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 220 @ 0.00366038 = 0.8053 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1793 @ 0.0036707 = 6.5816 BTC [+]
jcpham: +700 MH/s off my hashrate
jcpham: i need to replace/rma one
jcpham: but i'll probably end up having to rebuild one because of the weird mix of cards in the one rig
jcpham: like a 6970, 6950, and 7870
jcpham: i have rigs i built that were the same components, and i have some that are like used junk cars
jcpham: this one is a used junk car
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9271 @ 0.00062874 = 5.829 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 457 @ 0.0036707 = 1.6775 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1800 @ 0.00367109 = 6.608 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2143 @ 0.00367193 = 7.8689 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: if dice is betting with itself...then its very good at obfuscating
thestringpuller: how about I give you my results and you write the whitepaper? ;)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 657 @ 0.00367193 = 2.4125 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2896 @ 0.00369999 = 10.7152 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1087 @ 0.0037 = 4.0219 BTC [+]
Ukto: is Evoorhees part of bitinstant ?
kakobrekla: man, i always read that as "ever hoes"
Ukto: I keep reading it as e-whorees
gribble: Time since last block: 50 minutes and 52 seconds
Ukto: mircea_popescu: partners ?
Ukto: I might have to pull some strings then...
kakobrekla: My dad is die and my wife's dad is die.
kakobrekla: My mother do not have money to send me, she is living other city and contains my little brother.
kakobrekla: My wife's mother is living other city and contains my wife's little brother and my wife's litte sister.
kakobrekla: i know i know its sad, but its also a bit funny.
Ukto: "Our current superconducting 128-qubit processor chip is housed inside a cryogenics system within a 10 square meter shielded room." wow
Ukto: thestringpuller: Nuuu
mircea_popescu: "The problem with geologists is that they invented such a complicated language that it would be easier to understand a half-naked Papuan stepping out of a jungle in the Stone Age than a bunch of dressed-up geologists attending a conference in Vancouver or Toronto – well, unless they step out of the room to grab a beer and begin taking on mundane subjects like good bars, sports, and field equipment."
Namjies: The low price of an internet connection allows them.
Ukto: did mtgox shut off api 0 ?
Ukto: did you ever find good docs?
Namjies: It's not an absolute, but there's high correlation.
Namjies: The opposite is not true however.
kakobrekla: i concider this about the same as 'go fuck yourself'
kakobrekla: anyway i have more important things to do and a year of backlog
Namjies: I find it interesting that I'm starting to get reasonable interest on loans.
Namjies: I prefer to sell PUT options
Namjies: I'm getting early SatoshiDice kind of interest charged.
PsychoticBoy: fiscal cliff would be good for Europe, lets hope for it
Namjies: + the 200% loan value in assets guarantee is gone
Bugpowder: Well, my Intermediate bond index fund has an SEC yield of 1.5% a year, so sounds like you are doing well.
Namjies: But going under 1% per month on BTC, I'll consider it an achievement.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3000 @ 0.00359126 = 10.7738 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: not much volatility in exchange rate last month
Bugpowder: order in which the contracts were bot or sold?
mircea_popescu: it's odd cause it traded about the same # of contracts, roughly
kakobrekla: what does the size of the fund has to do with that?
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla the capital needed simply reflects the widest berth mpoe bot ever takes.
Bugpowder: yeah, but if you are well balananced in exposure throughout the period, the the bond requirements will be lower
mircea_popescu: you can trade millions of btc's worth within the same 100btc space in principle
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder in principle it could make a million btc on 0 capital.
mircea_popescu: well... admitting someone sells and someone buys simultaneously.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 13.26991, Best ask: 13.34999, Bid-ask spread: 0.08008, Last trade: 13.34999, 24 hour volume: 14943.19679685, 24 hour low: 13.21100, 24 hour high: 13.40000, 24 hour vwap: 13.31395
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1750 @ 0.0037 = 6.475 BTC [+]
rashid: PURCHASE BITCOINS RIGHT NOW INSTANTLY WITH YOUR DEBIT/CREDIT CARD AND PAYPAL GO TO WWW.BITCOINBERUDECHANGE.COM NO SIGN UP AT ALL JUST WIZ THROUGH IT SPREAD THE WORD !!!!
mircea_popescu: i even dropped the author a line let him know. so rare these days
rashid: PURCHASE BITCOINS RIGHT NOW INSTANTLY WITH YOUR DEBIT/CREDIT CARD AND PAYPAL GO TO WWW.BITCOINBERUDECHANGE.COM NO SIGN UP AT ALL JUST WIZ THROUGH IT SPREAD THE WORD !!!!
Namjies: It's the "beru de change" thing... these guys don't know how to spell "bureau de change"
Namjies: Someone suggested it was instead "Be Rude"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27684 @ 0.00062874 = 17.406 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 816 @ 0.00062839 = 0.5128 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: yes I read it back when it came out
Bugpowder: forwarded it to my gold bug friends too
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 610 @ 0.00063408 = 0.3868 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19233 @ 0.00064091 = 12.3266 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3300 @ 0.00064243 = 2.12 BTC [+]
jurov: it reminded me of a story by Jack London a bit
jurov: can't remember its name.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12225 @ 0.00064243 = 7.8537 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7288 @ 0.00065 = 4.7372 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16100 @ 0.00065 = 10.465 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1957 @ 0.00359126 = 7.0281 BTC [-]
jurov: February MPOE bonds passthroughnow open. First moment buyers will get best price!
jurov: And check bitfunder announcement for extra lulz :)
Namjies: Couldn't these be made available on coinbr?
gribble: Ukto was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 hours, 45 minutes, and 8 seconds ago: <Ukto> did you ever find good docs?
FabianB: Ukto: it just happend again
jurov: Namjies, I'd have to add more code as coinbr is not an exchange itself. Plus it made Ukto so happy.
Ukto: jurov: it did, thanks! :)
jurov: mircea_popescu, have you seen what i put into the bitfunder news?
mircea_popescu: the girls are majoritarily from the us but generally from all over
pigeons: Ukto: Heard from DeadTerra 'bout G.SDICE dividends?
smickles: arg, f-ing credit card companies
smickles: make a purchase, declined. call, get it manually approved, make the next purchase... declined
jurov: smickles, use rg's method
jurov: he was asking every day in -otc who'll order and pay him a pizza
smickles: give someone btc to make cc purchases
smickles: jurov: he did it for data center payments too
smickles: a bit higher ticket than just lunch
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, if anyone wants to buy me a somethingawful account i'll pay teh btc .
smickles: Well, I've sworn of CCs for today at least
mircea_popescu: lmao teh clueless noob hasn't quite figured it out yet lol
jurov: mircea you forgot to add the "My dad is died and my wife's dad is died...." part
mircea_popescu: but to anyone suspecting this was an ellaborate ploy : if the guy is this good...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17200 @ 0.00065 = 11.18 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: but the 'interests' rate on sidce are better
mircea_popescu: The current repayment rate is aprox 77%, if you think dice games are better than this please stay away of peer to peer lending sites.
Namjies: SatoshiDice does not deliver interests however and by selecting well rated loaners, you can drastically increase repayment rate.
Namjies: If you can get 95% repayment rate, with the interest, you'd end up in the green.
Namjies: I even got a 4% per week loan over 2 month repaid in full with interest.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1050 @ 0.00363054 = 3.8121 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 710 @ 0.0037 = 2.627 BTC [+]
Namjies: But I didn't want to push my luck too much tho. It's almost just like gambling.
Ukto: pigeons: yes, divs will be paid out soon
mircea_popescu: i suspect pigeon's loadning to jurov will probably be half or a third of the actually repaid loans
mircea_popescu: and the fact of the matter is they could have dealt with or w/o btcjam
Ukto: mircea_popescu: you sure its not japanese? or korean ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 607 @ 0.00064099 = 0.3891 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10400 @ 0.00063446 = 6.5984 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1934 @ 0.00062839 = 1.2153 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1275 @ 0.00062834 = 0.8011 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.00064915 = 2.7913 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1439 @ 0.00062834 = 0.9042 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2450 @ 0.0037 = 9.065 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2600 @ 0.0037 = 9.62 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15800 @ 0.00065 = 10.27 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1154 @ 0.00366266 = 4.2267 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2250 @ 0.00064316 = 1.4471 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5250 @ 0.00064162 = 3.3685 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3800 @ 0.00064712 = 2.4591 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1046 @ 0.00366266 = 3.8311 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1947 @ 0.00359126 = 6.9922 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 704 @ 0.00357934 = 2.5199 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10250 @ 0.00064021 = 6.5622 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1106 @ 0.00064021 = 0.7081 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3453 @ 0.00063961 = 2.2086 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 930 @ 0.00368308 = 3.4253 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 20 @ 0.00369389 = 0.0739 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1700 @ 0.00362958 = 6.1703 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: "This means that the biggest risk of our project is gone and our NRE is a fruitful spend."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1880 @ 0.00369389 = 6.9445 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 6870 @ 0.0037 = 25.419 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: I LOVE that the S.MPOE trading bot has now moved over to trading S.DICE
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1186 @ 0.0037 = 4.3882 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1158 @ 0.00369264 = 4.2761 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 97 @ 0.00362958 = 0.3521 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 375 @ 0.00361855 = 1.357 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 5070 @ 0.00360414 = 18.273 BTC [-]
Ukto: yay, blockchain.info down
Ukto: who wanted to use them as a payment gateway?
kakobrekla: time for a blockchain.info payable and stable alternative
Bugpowder: mircea_popescu : yeah I'm sure Erik loves seeing that story.
Ukto: kakobrekla: about 2 months
Ukto: what was announced?
kakobrekla: they should have downtime annoncment api
kakobrekla: so users would be able to ensure at least some level of service quality
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3100 @ 0.0037 = 11.47 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: there;s certainly space in the market for more than one blockchain.info
mircea_popescu: they owned blockexplorer cause that was kept mostly academicly, no serious effort
StarenseN: mircea_popescu, i'm about to invest in the stock market but please explain me what's the f*** is wrong with the Porn hosted on the same domain ?
Ukto: what wrong with the porn?
jurov: kuzetsa: coinbr alleviates the need to pay for mpex account, plus adds user interface and bookkeeping... wouldn't say it's weird :)
jurov: anybody: coinbr.com doesn't require invitations anymore, they are useful for affiliate payments
jurov: perhaps should update the frontpage stuff to make it clear
Ukto: still, whats wrong with it?
Ukto: is it censored? pizelated?
kakobrekla: use mpex.co and its on a different domain suddenly.
mircea_popescu: StarenseN if you want to take it that way, it's proof of strength.
Ukto: then whats wrong with it?
mircea_popescu: the porn in question is older on the internet than btc itself, and than any other bitcoin service
mircea_popescu: taaki tried to get my site offline by complaining to anyone and everyone about "child porn"
jurov: Ukto, go to bitcointalk and write somewhere "I started new exchange, cause i can't use mpex cause the porn is too pixelated"
StarenseN: that's ok, but why don't you dedicate ONE server for the stock market
Ukto: [12:10] <kakobrekla> use mpex.co and its on a different domain suddenly.
Ukto: kakobrekla already told you
StarenseN: under your related domain that is also existing for MPEX
Ukto: are you that offended by it?
mircea_popescu: there is a webserver which is pretty well secured for this purpose, which conduits your communications.
Ukto: [12:10] <kakobrekla> use mpex.co and its on a different domain suddenly.
mircea_popescu: just like your traffic at home goes through your isp's proxy
mircea_popescu: just so my servers face the internet through a single webserver
Ukto: StarenseN: they are both the same thing.. they both talk to the actual mpex server
Ukto: your just mad because one has porn, and refuse to use the one without ?
mircea_popescu: and this is so because securing webservers is complex and expensive and you really don't want to do it multiple times if it can be helped
mircea_popescu: Stuart asserts that New York authorities only came after him because they wanted to use him as a conduit to uncover illegal gambling operations in that state. He says the New York district attorney’s office tried to strong-arm him into a plea agreement that would have had him hacking into the systems of his software clients in order to obtain the usernames and passwords of gamblers and their bookmakers to help author
mircea_popescu: Under plea agreement discussions that were never finalized by a judge, and that occurred in February 2011 before Stuart was charged with any crime, Stuart says New York authorities pressed him to install a backdoor in his software and distribute it to clients so the data of gamblers and bookmakers could be retrieved.
Ukto: mo: just reading that ? lol
Ukto: just shows you how shady the govt is
Ukto: then there is the story there, about using predators to kill americans
Ukto: after that one, i closed the site
Ukto: and started to dream of another country agian
jcpham: there is a law firm in atlanta that is sending infringement claims
kakobrekla: the alien vs predator predator or some different predator
jcpham: based on scan to pdf process patent
Ukto: armed predatorr drones
jcpham: pretty easy to be on the wrong side of the law or copyright these days
Ukto: i know a federal DA
jurov: who never broke copyright law, throw the first stone
Ukto: she got real serious during lunch once. and said "I can put you in federal prison for 5 years for eating that sandwich. No shit."
Ukto: "There is no such thing as "legal"."
Ukto: there is a huge list of illegal things, and much larger list of items that are 'gray areas' that could be used to make 'legal seeming things' illegal.
kakobrekla: my head assploded seeing that gold site omg ouch.
mircea_popescu: jcpham i'd really like to get mpex on some of these golbug sites etc. you know anyone ?\
jcpham: know would mean less than iknow you
jcpham: at the bottom, in the comments
jcpham: matonis has a forum account
jcpham: the forbes blogger guy
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1396 @ 0.00364994 = 5.0953 BTC [-]
jcpham: MP let me work on that
jcpham: if nothing else i can start with the guy that shared that link with me
jurov: perhaps luring some known goldbug blogger would be better
jurov: with some material from dtng? totally :P
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 16233 @ 0.0037 = 60.0621 BTC [+]
jurov: blockchain.info down?
jurov: poor blockexplorer.com: ERROR: unknown (Most likely my bitcoind stopped working or this page is too large/complex.)
kakobrekla: is anything like blockchain info opensourced
kakobrekla: it needs a bitcoind mod which iirc is somewhere online
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 9200 @ 0.0037 = 34.04 BTC [+]
pigeons: kakobrekla: there is an opensource blockexplorer called ABE
pigeons: wow people (blockchain.info) use mac's for servers
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 450 @ 0.0037 = 1.665 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1575 @ 0.00063961 = 1.0074 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3035 @ 0.00063773 = 1.9355 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: If yields go up after QE3 ends, bonds are going to get fucking crushed
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2415 @ 0.00063773 = 1.5401 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7185 @ 0.00063594 = 4.5692 BTC [-]
jcpham: mircea_popescu i put out a feeler and someone has offered me anything i want for a mpex account
jcpham: this isn't looking good
jcpham: i thought mpex accounts were 20btc and some gpg-fu
jcpham: "i'll do anything you want" makes me feel icky
jcpham: i don't think so at all
mircea_popescu: so whats a gold eagle go for these days ? over 30 btc ?
jcpham: if this person isn't crazy and runs some awesome gold blog, can they have a free mpex account?
jcpham: i'd say no myself and make them pay 30btc
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 60000 @ 0.0037 = 222 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: exchange it for 30btc worth of adverts
mircea_popescu: well, kinda hard to run a blog 30btc worth of awesome, but not impossible
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 600 @ 0.00366137 = 2.1968 BTC [-]
jcpham: i'm not going to bother you with anyone i haven't vetted
mircea_popescu: tho im not even sure what someone'd do with an acct if no monyz in it
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder i wouldn't get my hopes up. people will discover -EV and stop betting anytime now.
Bugpowder: My analysis "The New York district attorney’s office says his software was used to make illegal bets in that state between Sept. 2008 and June 2011." So we have about 3 years left of bountiful plenty
Bugpowder: I kinda just want my options deposits back so I can buy through the rest of S.DICE....
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1day: 0.00353735 / 0.00368454 / 0.0037 (139209 shares, 512.92 BTC), 30day: 0.0014 / 0.00328132 / 0.0037 (12915175 shares, 42,378.87 BTC)
mircea_popescu: course, if the guy that butchered the last tier with his 10k was only really just beginning...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16315 @ 0.00063594 = 10.3754 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1385 @ 0.00063258 = 0.8761 BTC [-]
smickles: anyone here want some of my ppusd?
mircea_popescu: this is getting a little bit crazy, 10 deposits the past 5 hours
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1519 @ 0.00366088 = 5.5609 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 5546 @ 0.0037 = 20.5202 BTC [+]
jurov: something is happening
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C120T] 1 @ 0.16974811 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P120T] 1 @ 0.09101032 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C130T] 1 @ 0.148 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P130T] 1 @ 0.132 BTC [-]
jurov: it's coinbr users ;)
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C140T] 1 @ 0.113 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P140T] 1 @ 0.168 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C150T] 1 @ 0.07680901 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6621 @ 0.00064091 = 4.2435 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1996 @ 0.00064712 = 1.2917 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31083 @ 0.00065 = 20.204 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P150T] 1 @ 0.19862955 BTC [-]
jurov: smickles, how much?
mircea_popescu: "I won 16 BTC on satoshidice and promptly used it to buy S.DICE stock. Already made over 1 BTC on dividends."
jurov: well, i just used sdice to touch up the balance for mpex deposit :P
jurov: ended up with 1.6btc more, lol
pizzaman1337: where can I see what the % dividend returns are on S.DICE? (dividend/share price)
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C120T] 1 @ 0.16972395 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P120T] 1 @ 0.09098616 BTC [-]
smickles: jurov: are you offering mpexbtc for ppusd?
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C130T] 1 @ 0.148 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P130T] 1 @ 0.132 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C140T] 1 @ 0.113 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P140T] 1 @ 0.168 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C150T] 1 @ 0.07678775 BTC [-]
jurov: smickles yes, for 0.1 BTC fee. but must figure out how much is avail
smickles: Bugpowder: it's a one month test
Bugpowder: mircea_popescu I only see 6 deposits (450BTC)
Bugpowder: it might be due to the big reddit S.DICE story
smickles: if you are interested in sending btc to it, I'll give you a fair share of profits/losses
Bugpowder: sorry smickles I'm building my own bot
jurov: smickles, 4BTC are definitely available ;)
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 13.31571, Best ask: 13.33965, Bid-ask spread: 0.02394, Last trade: 13.31570, 24 hour volume: 18951.43361414, 24 hour low: 13.24897, 24 hour high: 13.46400, 24 hour vwap: 13.34623
jurov: smickles here you are
jurov: ;;calc 4.1*13.34623
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C120T] 1 @ 0.16969705 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P120T] 1 @ 0.09095926 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C130T] 1 @ 0.148 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P130T] 1 @ 0.132 BTC [-]
jurov: Bugpowder, u gonna sell bonds?
smickles: jurov: so 4.1 mpex btc for 54.72 ppusd?
jurov: only 4.0 . the 0.1 is the fee
smickles: ok, sounds reasonable for what I bought the ppusd at
Bugpowder: with the TNX jump, I might actually pick up some more here.
jurov: smickles, all done
Bugpowder: The 10-year treasury yield stayed below 3% from 1934 all the way till 1956.
Bugpowder: I'm sure the whole time people were thinking yields would rise any day now...
Bugpowder: Could take 20 years to deleverage through this K-winter
Bugpowder: well no.. the deleveraging can't occur that fast, that opportunity came prior to the first big bank bailouts. However, yields could start going up within 6 weeks.
mircea_popescu: GNP on par with Chad for a decade or so, and all that.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16000 @ 0.0006338 = 10.1408 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12420 @ 0.00063258 = 7.8566 BTC [-]
smickles: I love this. SOEBOT bidding higher and higher for things, MPOEBOT bidding lower and lower for things
smickles: heh, nifty, yet at the end of last month the prototype was bidding higher than mpoebot, so, if the pattern holds, the will eventually meet
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 356 @ 0.00369999 = 1.3172 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1day: 0.00353735 / 0.00368492 / 0.0037 (146630 shares, 540.32 BTC), 30day: 0.0014 / 0.00328155 / 0.0037 (12922596 shares, 42,406.27 BTC)
jurov: fund both bots with 5digit sums. watch hilarity ensue
smickles: hilarity, or price stabilization
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 13.37513, Best ask: 13.39950, Bid-ask spread: 0.02437, Last trade: 13.37513, 24 hour volume: 18956.99709514, 24 hour low: 13.24897, 24 hour high: 13.46400, 24 hour vwap: 13.34900
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 13.37513, Best ask: 13.39950, Bid-ask spread: 0.02437, Last trade: 13.37513, 24 hour volume: 18956.99709514, 24 hour low: 13.24897, 24 hour high: 13.46400, 24 hour vwap: 13.34900
pigeons: oh want me to turn off my btcusd stabilization bots?
jurov: BTCUSD STABILIZATION ENGAGED
smickles: mircea_popescu seems to use 'whatever' digit sums
jurov: Yes, I think one of the main issues is the assets being 'titled' in CoinBR's name and not the user's.
jurov: ^ hard to argue with such "issues"
smickles: 'cause you know, all assets have the user's name in the title
jurov: Bugpowder, do these two things have something in common?
jurov: like, "look s.dice passthrough, hell froze over"
Bugpowder: I wonder if this is like a really amazing breakthru or not
jurov: it is maybe for overclockers
Bugpowder: like gravity affect reverses below zero
pigeons: ok i'll start a s.dice passthrough on btct.no
kakobrekla: if they would done the experiment in russia they would get a couple of billionths of a Kelvin lower
jurov: pigeons, it's already there
kakobrekla: imma gonna open havelock sdice passthrogh on GLBSE
smickles: kakobrekla: don't forget the mpex synth listing too
jurov: i can't wait till they start duplicating our bonds passthrough, too
pigeons: im gonna pass trhough to kak's PT via litecoinglobal
jurov: Ukto, I have got genial idea. Let's make passthrough on bitfunder... to itself
jurov: the asset name shall be CoinBr.INCEPTION
pigeons: it's be like an eminem album about how his last albulm where he raps about his last album sucking sucked
jurov: Ukto, you store plaintext passwords on bitfunder????!!!!
jurov: sorry i mixed something in my head
Ukto: passes are bcrypted
pigeons: just like dr. nefario reccomends
jurov: my bad. we had PM with ukto about my password and i conflated it. i vouch for bitfunder sound practices
Ukto: its those extra voices in your head
Ukto: mine confuse me sometimes too
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C120T] 1 @ 0.16976363 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P120T] 1 @ 0.09048435 BTC [-]
FabianB: heh, why did someone buy lots of G.SDICE on bitfunder _after_ div payment for 0.004?
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder that's interesting... they never told me about it.
mircea_popescu: omfg people need to come to standard names. what's g. ? galinaceae ?
iz: G is short for Gangsta, obviously
FabianB: it says Gamma SatoshiDice Pass Through
mircea_popescu: so did the havelook ppl issue any sort of proof they hold shares or anything ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.00367288 = 1.8364 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2500 @ 0.00367289 = 9.1822 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 644 @ 0.00369999 = 2.3828 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 16356 @ 0.0037 = 60.5172 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11820 @ 0.00064999 = 7.6829 BTC [+]
smickles: wow, I should pay more attention b/f letting my eyes widen like that. [s.dice] @ .0037 was not followed by [s.dice] @ .0064999
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1217 @ 0.00369999 = 4.5029 BTC [-]
smickles: wth is that '*' supposed to refer to?
mircea_popescu: 72 terra hash/s bitcoin mine. The hashing hardware consists of 1000 bASIC boards provided by BTCFPGA, LLC. Today’s network hashing power is 3 times lower than 72TH/s but this situation will change dramatically in the next 2 months before the deployment of the hardware.
Ukto: i wont say my thoughts but...
Ukto: pic at bottom of page 4
Ukto: does that make you think of any recent movie actors who played a great roll in a dc comics movie, who suicided? >,>
pigeons: just what the world needs more of!
mircea_popescu: The venture has 1M shares. The minimum price is 0.06BTC per share so the minimum valuation of the project is 798k USD at an USD/BTC
jurov: the business plan is interesting too.. they want to build 100kW datacenter. no prior experience
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 283 @ 0.00369999 = 1.0471 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 29388 @ 0.0037 = 108.7356 BTC [+]
Ukto: 100Kw datacenter isnt that much
Ukto: My 2,500 sqft facility was 600Kw
Ukto: your talking like.. 100amps @ 440v 3-phase.
Ukto: but if they have no prior experience in things yeah, thats alot
Ukto: they would need at least 30tons of HVAC tho... figure around $35k if using chilled water units... $100k+ for condensor systems
mircea_popescu: 1000 basics ? what 1000 basics ? basics are fully sold out on preorders and 300 projected anyway
Ukto: mircea_popescu: I know
Ukto: kakobrekla: u like that? :P
kakobrekla: i dont care, i think bakewell is baked well
Ukto: he does do some crazy stuff
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 17000 @ 0.0037 = 62.9 BTC [+]
Ukto: he surprised me with it as well
kakobrekla: yea put a sock on the head instead shoe
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00063381 = 6.3381 BTC [-]
Ukto: he said he did not agree with the administration policies of btct
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00366001 = 3.66 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.0036527 = 3.6527 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 540 @ 0.00365269 = 1.9725 BTC [-]
assbot: !ticker <ticker> (desc: returns current MPEX ticker values)
Ukto: whenever you are ready bud
gribble: Error: I am not seeing this user on IRC. If you want information about a registered gpg user, try the 'gpg info' command instead.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2000 @ 0.00369999 = 7.4 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 700 @ 0.0037 = 2.59 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1900 @ 0.00369999 = 7.03 BTC [-]
Anduck: when will S.DICE pay divs ?
Bugpowder: If we project this months betting volume, it should be around 7.7%, plus or minus 5%
Anduck: well, when did it pay divs last time?
Anduck: i just received my divs - from a broker
gribble: Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
Bugpowder: ;;calc 150000*31/3*.019/.0037/10000000
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder 150k this month ? what month ? these two days ?
Anduck: mircea_popescu: "so much" was meant as "lol so much bet'd"
mircea_popescu: basically, you can pcik your poison and make 5% a month.
Bugpowder: I have moved all my coins, except for the options I'm still selling into S.DICE
Bugpowder: but that is like probably 2 years away
Bugpowder: that requires 90% gain to recover from
Bugpowder: bonds backing the options market making bot on MPEX
Bugpowder: I think MBPOR is probably a good investment
Bugpowder: but I think S.DICE, at this valuation, is better
mircea_popescu: its unlikely current price reflects true market valuation, and it's unlikely that true valuation be on the lower end
Ukto: i posted my s.dice shares @ 0.0050/share
Ukto: just to put up a wall
Ukto: someone bought them
Bugpowder: amazing what price discovery will find
Ukto: mebbe i will raise my price heh
mircea_popescu: and the thing is, AFTER ipo sells out, which hasn't happened yet, there's 30 days lockdown
mircea_popescu: (c)The representatives of SatoshiDice warrant that no further shares will be offered by them for a period of 30 days from the date these offered shares are sold.
Bugpowder: A secondary at .0075 would be reasonable
Bugpowder: "Erik Voorhees, director of marketing and communications at BitInstant, helped design SatoshiDice, a gambling site hosted in Ireland and owned by an anonymous investor. "
Ukto: "Silk Road, which processes an estimated $1.2 million a month in sales of illegal drugs"
Ukto: thats a pretty amazing number
Ukto: i guess if you include memberships fees
Ukto: that would make up 50% of it
Ukto: mebbe they havent SEEN silkroad.
Bugpowder: it takes about 5 minutes of effort to get there
Ukto: its media, and based on the comment, tehy did not look
Ukto: thestringpuller: i uh no
Bugpowder: I imagine the street value is actually much higher than 1.2MM
Ukto: "Gavin Andresen, chief scientist at Bitcoin Foundation"
Ukto: whered that title come from? 0,o
Bugpowder: new whale? 013-01-04 00:45:25 lessthan 32768 6b535440 d96ed541 1AnixjB CONFIRMED 400.00000000 ABOVE MAX 400.00000000 59773
gladoscc: is it just me or is bitfunder's color scheme hideous
Ukto: gladoscc: its horrid
Ukto: you should post in the bitfunder thread with a suggestion to redo it with
Ukto: mebbe there can be a coloscheme selector for people
Ukto: do all kinda colors sets.. 'sunset' etc
Ukto: cust background images
Ukto: like the failed IE skins
Graet: ooh nice - he has aussie $20 ijn front - propably coz its worth more than a usd :P
gladoscc: LOOK at your site before going to colorpicker.com
gladoscc: picking two random colors that are close
gladoscc: and completely disregard color theory
Ukto: defenitely did not follow any color theory
Ukto: which two random colors that are close are you reffering to?
Ukto: and I dont recall going to colorpicker hehe
gladoscc: Ukto: you developed bitfunder?
Ukto: Changes / ideas are always welcome.
Graet: not all programmers/deveopers have a good eye for colour
Ukto: thas defenitely not me
Ukto: if it makes you happy, I may even let people make a 'custome' color set
gladoscc: Ukto: try this -webkit-linear-gradient(top,#1282C0,#0817CA);
gladoscc: chrome, select element, change navbar-inner. looks much better.
Ukto: weird, pretty sure i used webkit linear gadients
Ukto: well, at least at the top bar
Ukto: stil debating making it solid blue
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 400 @ 0.00367857 = 1.4714 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 308 @ 0.00365465 = 1.1256 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1297 @ 0.0036527 = 4.7376 BTC [-]
gladoscc: current one looks like... Geocities.
gladoscc: All you need is 5 'UNDER CONSTRUCTION' GIFs, a neon hit counter and "Best viewed in Internet Explorer 4"
gladoscc: especially if you're using bootstrap.
Ukto: .. that. would be epic
gladoscc: speaking of which, I need to get back to working on my project instead of procrastinating.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18105 @ 0.000633 = 11.4605 BTC [-]
Ukto: gladoscc: there you go
Ukto: but now it draws out the black borderlines between nav buttons :P
Ukto: so by 'horrid' earlier, you simply ment the gradient ? :P
gladoscc: yep :P, border-right: 1px solid blah; border-left: 1px solid blah; if you want to change the black gradients
gladoscc: also are you aware that the active class is applied to home even if you're on another page?
Ukto: i will fix it up in a bit
Ukto: trying to push on the interactive api docs atm
gladoscc: I like how the site is responsive
Ukto: its prolly slow atm heh
Ukto: doing some extracarricular activity on the server atm
Ukto: to the home active class
Ukto: bootstrap must be fucking up somewhere
Ukto: or i set it somewhere
gladoscc: I encountere the same thing on my site literally 2 hours ago
Ukto: you sure is active?
Ukto: it doesnt seem to highlight it
Ukto: at least not on the market page
pigeons: gladoscc: how do you like the mpex colors?
Ukto: I wasnt going to go there :P
gladoscc: Ukto: it is active in chrome, when logged out
gladoscc: <ul class="nav"> <li class="active"><a href="/">Home</a></li> <li class=""><a href="/news">News</a></li> <li class=""><a href="/assetlist">Assets List</a></li> <li class="active"><a style="border-left: none;" href="/terms">Terms and Conditions</a></li> </ul>
Ukto: it does remain active
Ukto: i will check that later
gladoscc: probably because you're matching /, so /terms would return true
Ukto: nah, not how it works
Ukto: i need to find a capable gfx guy to make a nice icon for the site.
Ukto: was thinking of doing a blue b like from that reminds me.. i need
Ukto: but it needs to be stylized..
Ukto: a solid color looks like ass
gladoscc: I could do that for a few coins
Ukto: mebbe somehow show the F within the B
Ukto: since you can fit an F into it
gladoscc: Ukto: you can, but it's going to look ugly cause B is curved/rounded
Ukto: the B can be reshaped a bit for that tho
gladoscc: and unless you want F to look like |c
Ukto: and it makes sense to do it that way
Ukto: besides, if I dont add the F... it looks more like glbse's old logo
gladoscc: prehaps do it like facebook.com
gladoscc: except obviously not using the facebook font.
pigeons: yeah but i cant fucking stand those facebook colors for real
Ukto: pigeons: did you see my earlier comments about pre-made tempaltes and user customizations? :P
Ukto: I was half serious about putting skine dthemes together :P
Ukto: a nice beach sunrise in the background
gladoscc: Ukto: hope you're really half serious
Ukto: honestly, something like that would be alot more work than I have time for atm ;)
gladoscc: actually develop something myself
gladoscc: but the last thing we need is another exchange
Ukto: so how about you be creative for a logo icon, somethign that can be made into a nice looking favicon also, and if i like it, we can talk price ?
gladoscc: Ukto: I'm working on another project for someone at the moment, I think I'll do that first anyways.
Ukto: thats fine. :) thanks for the offer
Ukto: You've been stung stupid.
honeybadger: <yawns> with 22 confirmations on a coinbr deposit yet no funding .....
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4700 @ 0.00063259 = 2.9732 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26800 @ 0.000633 = 16.9644 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 919 @ 0.00369999 = 3.4003 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 181 @ 0.00369999 = 0.6697 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 26119 @ 0.0037 = 96.6403 BTC [+]
smickles: honeybadger: do you know why a coinbr deposit might take that long?
smickles: I don't think they keep a floating balance on mpex, so any deposit has to wait on the manual deposit process of mpex
smickles: hey mircea_popescu, you don't even like dark bitter beer?
honeybadger: mickles, I think they have to be manually approved and someone is sleeping?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3025 @ 0.0037 = 11.1925 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1203 @ 0.0036527 = 4.3942 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 97 @ 0.00365269 = 0.3543 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 170 @ 0.00365269 = 0.621 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 173 @ 0.00364994 = 0.6314 BTC [-]
gladoscc: Oh wow. "Paid Content This article is available for a fee. Articles published on Trilema are available based on a credits system."
gribble: Time since last block: 28 minutes and 24 seconds
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1057 @ 0.00362779 = 3.8346 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 393 @ 0.00367396 = 1.4439 BTC [+]
gladoscc: I have a feeling it'd cost more time to process payments for $1.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 176 @ 0.00367396 = 0.6466 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 874 @ 0.0037 = 3.2338 BTC [+]
gribble: Time since last block: 1 minute and 53 seconds
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1day: 0.00063258 / 0.00063932 / 0.00065 (225899 shares, 144.42 BTC), 30day: 0.00050643 / 0.00059349 / 0.00066 (62728158 shares, 37,229.09 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2400 @ 0.00361595 = 8.6783 BTC [-]
gribble: Time since last block: 3 minutes and 21 seconds
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 550 @ 0.00366925 = 2.0181 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1992 @ 0.0037 = 7.3704 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 42800 @ 0.0037 = 158.36 BTC [+]
jurov: whales have been released to mpex.. waiting for the owners to catch up
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 9573 @ 0.0037 = 35.4201 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: S.DICE IPO complete, erik gets his other 40mn shares on Feb 3rd
Guest15001: Does Erik plan to release more shares? or is he happy with 10% outstanding shares?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1250 @ 0.00370331 = 4.6291 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2900 @ 0.00370508 = 10.7447 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3421 @ 0.00371317 = 12.7028 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3950 @ 0.00065069 = 2.5702 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14796 @ 0.00065086 = 9.6301 BTC [+]
StarenseN: can some1 write a proper BUY code for mpex ?
StarenseN: BUY|{MPSIC}|{quantity}|{price}|{expiry}
StarenseN: mircea_popescu sorry to ping you but is MPSIC of satoshidice : S.DICE ?
StarenseN: return that S.DICE is not recognized
StarenseN: mpex.py BUY, STAT, DEPOSIT are working fines
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1129 @ 0.00371317 = 4.1922 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3250 @ 0.00371362 = 12.0693 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 622 @ 0.00371425 = 2.3103 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1750 @ 0.0037167 = 6.5042 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 4900 @ 0.00371738 = 18.2152 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3500 @ 0.00372012 = 13.0204 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2681 @ 0.00372636 = 9.9904 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1700 @ 0.00374588 = 6.368 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3740 @ 0.00374713 = 14.0143 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2121 @ 0.00374741 = 7.9483 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1965 @ 0.00375156 = 7.3718 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00375709 = 3.7571 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1400 @ 0.00375821 = 5.2615 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1600 @ 0.00376765 = 6.0282 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1200 @ 0.00377004 = 4.524 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1791 @ 0.00377672 = 6.7641 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3300 @ 0.00377697 = 12.464 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1750 @ 0.00379706 = 6.6449 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.00379923 = 1.8996 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 84994 @ 0.0038 = 322.9772 BTC [+]
StarenseN: and i'm dealing with my command console for hours ^^
mircea_popescu: StarenseN this is weird, obviously it's working for most everyone else. maybe some issue with character set on your system ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 6 @ 0.0038 = 0.0228 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2000 @ 0.00380632 = 7.6126 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2503 @ 0.00381374 = 9.5458 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2198 @ 0.00382637 = 8.4104 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: but if all else fails you can always paste commands manually into the site
jurov: StarenseN, from what you wrote in the night, it looks like you have trouble escaping the string
jurov: ./mpex.py 'BUY|S.DICE|100|1000'
jurov: the ./mpex.py he pasted above is definitely wrong
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2 @ 0.00382637 = 0.0077 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 59198 @ 0.003995 = 236.496 BTC [+]
jurov: StarenseN, add quotes like i did
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1day: 0.00360414 / 0.00374101 / 0.003995 (635284 shares, 2,376.61 BTC), 30day: 0.0014 / 0.00329973 / 0.003995 (13422042 shares, 44,289.18 BTC)
jurov: what is the error message?
StarenseN: 'S.DICE" is not recognize as internal/external command
mod6: maybe python isn't on the path or something... how can he check to see?
jurov: O.o... it's windows? then try double quotes instead.. and invoke python properly
mircea_popescu: ya, it sounds like you're not geting python to process it
jurov: python mpex.py "BUY|S.DICE|100|399500'
jurov: python mpex.py "BUY|S.DICE|100|399500"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 100 @ 0.003995 = 0.3995 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: i can die now. we got mpex to work on a french version of windows.
StarenseN: <@assbot> [MPEX] [S.DICE] 100 @ 0.003995 = 0.3995 BTC [+] > hey mum i'm on TV
mircea_popescu: not that i did anything, but you're welcome just the same :D
jurov: nah, that should rather go into pimpex documentation
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 12680 @ 0.003995 = 50.6566 BTC [+]
jurov: running inder unix : ./mpex.py 'BUY|S.DICE|100|399500' running under win: python mpex.py "BUY|S.DICE|100|399500"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 50000 @ 0.003995 = 199.75 BTC [+]
jurov: proper quoting IS documented since ol'dos
jurov: And, dear folks! If anybody offered me to make MPEx GUI for reasonable price, it would probably already be done...
jurov: ofc. but i mean desktop app.
jurov: mpexagent is already halfway there as it parses the stuff, i expected someone will pick up on it
jurov: but everyone is too cheap or lazy or dunno
mircea_popescu: nobody wants to sit down and put the work into anything these days.
mircea_popescu: if you cook they'll eat, if you don't cook they'll starve with the food in the fridge
StarenseN: jurov > i did mpex.py "BUY|S.DICE|100|399500" as python wasnt recognized command (althought i added the PATH but wrongly i think)
Andck: StarenseN: go to the directory where u installed python
Andck: and then try with python command
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 54087 @ 0.003995 = 216.0776 BTC [+]
jurov: yes, single quotes are for unices
StarenseN: and for DEPOSIT > i had to type mpex.py DEPOSIT|{100} to deposit 100 BTC
jurov: interesting. "DEPOSIT|100" should work too, i never had to use burly braces
StarenseN: mpex.py "DEPOSIT|100" is working also
StarenseN: dears trust me i went insane today :D
StarenseN: and i missed a lot of cheap shares FML
mircea_popescu: you mean to tell me you actually ran mpex.py DEPOSIT|{100} and it worked as such ?
gigavps: someone is making some coin
jcpham: How quickly can I get my order?
jcpham: Once your payment has been recieved, your order will be assembled and despatched within 14 days
topace: fpga hardcopy ? its kinda in the middle between fpga and asic
topace: (stats, power, price) wise
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 17529 @ 0.003995 = 70.0284 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2354 @ 0.00397155 = 9.349 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 546 @ 0.00397155 = 2.1685 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1006 @ 0.00395635 = 3.9801 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 19400 @ 0.003995 = 77.503 BTC [+]
jcpham: we've been discussing this in secret mining channels
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1006 @ 0.003995 = 4.019 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 700 @ 0.00399556 = 2.7969 BTC [+]
smickles: jcpham: it's not a scam, they are reselling their gpu rigs
jcpham: 5.2GH/s at 70w at $139 makes zero sense
jcpham: that's almost twice my farm for peanuts
jcpham: and it ships in 14 days
jcpham: according to their faq
topace: well, for $139 someone should risk it and find out :p
jcpham: nevermind those few g's i dropped on asics that do not even exist
jcpham: these guys have the sweetheart secret cheap AMD stream chips
smickles: jcpham: I can tell you exactly who should risk it if you tell me what 5.2gh/s is actually worth?
gribble: The expected generation output, at 5200.0 Mhps, given difficulty of 2979636.61694, is 0.877675410033 BTC per day and 0.0365698087514 BTC per hour.
jcpham: until the diff spikes 20x
smickles: if it can last a month and a half, with the diff climbing pretty fast, it *just* makes it profitable for you to risk it
smickles: if you are 98% sure it's not a scam
smickles: well then, it's net to curn out 640 usd per day
jcpham: sounds like a much lower difficulty
jcpham: that i'll never see again
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1day: 0.00360414 / 0.00379322 / 0.00399556 (784242 shares, 2,974.80 BTC), 30day: 0.0014 / 0.0033079 / 0.00399556 (13578925 shares, 44,917.79 BTC)
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 13.42015, Best ask: 13.44999, Bid-ask spread: 0.02984, Last trade: 13.42015, 24 hour volume: 23870.53789899, 24 hour low: 13.26509, 24 hour high: 13.47999, 24 hour vwap: 13.36822
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2200 @ 0.0048 = 10.56 BTC [+]
jcpham: click the speaker and listen
jcpham: where does "he now praises the ipad" come from?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 300 @ 0.00467159 = 1.4015 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9000 @ 0.00064871 = 5.8384 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11200 @ 0.00064579 = 7.2328 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1847 @ 0.00064536 = 1.192 BTC [-]
smickles: kakobreklaa: that's entertaining :)
jcpham: some of those are hilarious
jcpham: is sort of my favorite
Bugpowder: which is like my field's favorite website.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2650 @ 0.00426818 = 11.3107 BTC [-]
pigeons: In devops we are face fiscal cliff every year when Oracle license is up for renew.
pigeons: In devops is no try, is only catch or not catch of exception.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.00426818 = 2.1341 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1850 @ 0.00426058 = 7.8821 BTC [-]
pigeons: hadnt looked at that s.dice price
jcpham: what's special about the price
jcpham: i haven't been paying attention for months now so i really do not know
pigeons: its higher than yesterday ;)
jcpham: why does it go up, it's more profitable for the operators
jcpham: they are literally taking people's money on the front end
pigeons: well some people saw the fat dividend that was paid, and got jealous
jcpham: why are they taking people's money on the back also
pigeons: also there is an alleged new passtrhough at havelock so he needs to buy some if he is legit
jcpham: they being the ominous they
jcpham: whoever is making profits on overvalued junk
pigeons: i'm confused, how is it overvalued?
smickles: jcpham: all of the operator's shares (made available) have been sold tho
jcpham: i don't want anything to do with it
jcpham: you can have 50btc and make money with it if you want
smickles: bah, how am i supposed to make btc off of ambivilance
jcpham: i expect it to collapse
jcpham: i guess there is a market for gambling that i do not understand
jcpham: statisitcally it takes more money every day from what i've seen
jcpham: why people throw that down a hole dumbfounds me
smickles: because about half of the players double their money
smickles: i think that's rather thrilling, and they seek it out again later
pigeons: well there are issues, such as low barrier to competitors, operator risk in one man, and the bitcoin network retaliating against SD "spam" transactions
pigeons: the risks get bigger the longer i wait to go to walmart cause im out of TP
smickles: how many of SD's competitors go to major global gambling conventions and advertise such as SD has
smickles: over what timescale thestrin1puller esq.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 13.46002, Best ask: 13.50000, Bid-ask spread: 0.03998, Last trade: 13.46002, 24 hour volume: 28474.56469043, 24 hour low: 13.27000, 24 hour high: 13.50000, 24 hour vwap: 13.40272
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1day: 0.00360675 / 0.00380384 / 0.0048 (763127 shares, 2,902.82 BTC), 30day: 0.0014 / 0.00330856 / 0.0048 (13581437 shares, 44,935.05 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00425836 = 4.2584 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 50 @ 0.00425837 = 0.2129 BTC [+]
assbot: !ticker <ticker> (desc: returns current MPEX ticker values)
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1day: 0.00360675 / 0.00381507 / 0.0048 (693927 shares, 2,647.39 BTC), 30day: 0.0014 / 0.00330863 / 0.0048 (13582487 shares, 44,939.52 BTC)
topace: is it sleeping time in romania? been waiting a while for my mpex deposit to appear :(
gribble: I have not seen mireca_popescu.
gribble: mircea_popescu was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 hours, 3 minutes, and 5 seconds ago: <mircea_popescu> preparing ourselves for the tube sites
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1day: 0.00360675 / 0.00381507 / 0.0048 (693927 shares, 2,647.39 BTC), 30day: 0.0014 / 0.00330863 / 0.0048 (13582487 shares, 44,939.52 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1154 @ 0.00430226 = 4.9648 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 882 @ 0.00435658 = 3.8425 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1day: 0.00360675 / 0.00381657 / 0.0048 (695963 shares, 2,656.19 BTC), 30day: 0.0014 / 0.00330879 / 0.0048 (13584152 shares, 44,947.13 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3047 @ 0.00064398 = 1.9622 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6028 @ 0.00064116 = 3.8649 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 168 @ 0.00435658 = 0.7319 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00455096 = 4.551 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1day: 0.00360675 / 0.00381904 / 0.0048 (690066 shares, 2,635.40 BTC), 30day: 0.0014 / 0.00330889 / 0.0048 (13585320 shares, 44,952.41 BTC)
Ukto: Diablo-D3: you around?
Ukto: get too drunk on new years? forgot where we are? :P
Ukto: i have to finish some stupid password recovery code for weex
Ukto: then I will go look
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1338 @ 0.00456373 = 6.1063 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1day: 0.00360675 / 0.00382049 / 0.0048 (691404 shares, 2,641.50 BTC), 30day: 0.0014 / 0.00330901 / 0.0048 (13586658 shares, 44,958.52 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3953 @ 0.00064496 = 2.5495 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3004 @ 0.00065086 = 1.9552 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1800 @ 0.00434025 = 7.8125 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1day: 0.00360675 / 0.0038219 / 0.0048 (692848 shares, 2,648.00 BTC), 30day: 0.0014 / 0.00330915 / 0.0048 (13586893 shares, 44,961.19 BTC)
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 13.43349, Best ask: 13.49899, Bid-ask spread: 0.06550, Last trade: 13.43349, 24 hour volume: 29413.36431235, 24 hour low: 13.27311, 24 hour high: 13.52000, 24 hour vwap: 13.41950
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 197 @ 0.00455393 = 0.8971 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 650 @ 0.00447191 = 2.9067 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 743 @ 0.00065283 = 0.4851 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 371 @ 0.00064116 = 0.2379 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 200 @ 0.00446439 = 0.8929 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2400 @ 0.00435162 = 10.4439 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00063395 = 6.3395 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37450 @ 0.00063394 = 23.7411 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.00063259 = 3.3527 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1672 @ 0.00063258 = 1.0577 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2328 @ 0.00063114 = 1.4693 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2500 @ 0.00441206 = 11.0302 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.0043405 = 4.3405 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2350 @ 0.00434025 = 10.1996 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2100 @ 0.004331 = 9.0951 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2489 @ 0.004331 = 10.7799 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1900 @ 0.00427948 = 8.131 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: one of the core boxes went down for unknown reasons. it's still fscking atm
mircea_popescu: a replacement was comissioned and is going online within minutes
mircea_popescu: i don't think this actually had any effect, and i'm not concerned enough to halt trading.
pigeons: oh shit its the sec hackers
smickles: quick, withdraw EVERYTHING!!!1!
smickles: lol, 'only processes deposits'
smickles: if i'm typing that into bash, it should work. well, aside from the '*'
smickles: I suppose so. Is it far back in the log?
mircea_popescu: when it was discovered that for unclear and unexplainable reasons mypex DEPOSIT|{100} works as such
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4282 @ 0.00063631 = 2.7247 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9436 @ 0.00063816 = 6.0217 BTC [+]
smickles: naw, any spare btc goes to fund SOEBOT!
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1day: 0.00360675 / 0.00384987 / 0.0048 (633606 shares, 2,439.31 BTC), 30day: 0.0014 / 0.00331037 / 0.0048 (13600172 shares, 45,021.69 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 850 @ 0.00424664 = 3.6096 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: "I actually didn't notice the 30BTC fee when I submitted my key. I have to pay 30BTC fee even for small purchases?"
Namjies: I've wanted to get a large amount but couldn't raise the capital for it.
Namjies: Well not that long ago... but when it was 20 BTC I think
Namjies: I can't send commands to MPEx
smickles: anyone care to donate .11165070 to science?
smickles: ;;lucky "Chief Scientist Gavin Anderson"
smickles: I swear, someone like businessweek call gavin the chief scientist of the bitcoin project
smickles: “It’s still a pretty raw technology,” says Gavin Andresen, chief scientist at Bitcoin Foundation. “It’s pretty obvious that it’s been designed by geeks for geeks. It’s not easy to use yet, but it’s getting easier to use all the time.”
smickles: so now, I must edit wikipedia, making gavin a scientist
smickles: (afterall, it's from a reliable source)
Namjies: It's because I switch between mine and BitVPS's account by deleting/readding key.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2100 @ 0.00424418 = 8.9128 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1200 @ 0.00423911 = 5.0869 BTC [-]
Namjies: I forgot to mark the certificate as my own.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 700 @ 0.00412314 = 2.8862 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16000 @ 0.00065549 = 10.4878 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 800 @ 0.00382726 = 3.0618 BTC [-]
Namjies: Might have been a bit too much enthusiasm with S.DICE
Namjies: Where are expected dividends this month at right now?
Namjies: Ah, already distributed. Hmm, I see.
mircea_popescu: Namjies made 5.x% for dec, looks about 10k ahead for january so far
Namjies: Where do you guys get the numbers anyway for current earnings for the month?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 961 @ 0.00065549 = 0.6299 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9700 @ 0.00065793 = 6.3819 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11876 @ 0.00065919 = 7.8285 BTC [+]
Namjies: forum says they had 10k profit on first day... then lost 11k by second day.
Namjies: They're back at slightly over beggining of the month
Namjies: Hmm, found the graphics in one of the forum threads.
Namjies: yeah, it swings over and under the house edge
Namjies: But very profitable overall nonetheless.
mircea_popescu: "So.. like.. is it just me or does every single "company" (with the exception of satoshi dice and possibly one or two others) make a huge loss ?"
Namjies: no, the lost 11k after winning 10k, so went 1k under. They're now back near 1k over.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1191 @ 0.00402585 = 4.7948 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1269 @ 0.00402001 = 5.1014 BTC [-]
Namjies: That's actually neat looking charts
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell bugpowder hey how about that 10k+1.9% theory :D
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3550 @ 0.00407768 = 14.4758 BTC [+]
smickles: < mircea_popescu> he does a good job dooglus <<< yeah, i send him a tip every once in a while, hoping that he continues so I don't have to start doing it myself
smickles: it's because of the max bet limits
BUgpowder: whales better not go away with the new TxOut lucky number scheme
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1day: 0.00360675 / 0.00385458 / 0.0048 (645266 shares, 2,487.23 BTC), 30day: 0.0014 / 0.00331107 / 0.0048 (13610140 shares, 45,064.20 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 100 @ 0.00407768 = 0.4078 BTC [+]
BUgpowder: I so want to value S.DICE at .0048 in my portfolio right now
smickles: are they seriously talking about mpex?
smickles: cryptoxchange used to go off of what you bid at, rather than the lowest ask
smickles: mircea_popescu: uh, yeah, it's why I stopped using them,
smickles: i lost a quarter btc or so and contacted support
mircea_popescu: but i take solace in the hope the interpol is going to get them
BUgpowder: I guess the asks were missing for a bit
smickles: they were liek, ya, it did what we designed it to do.
BUgpowder: So why has MPOE-PR been is such a good mood lately? Nice vacation or something?
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 13.48000, Best ask: 13.48367, Bid-ask spread: 0.00367, Last trade: 13.48367, 24 hour volume: 29285.79710781, 24 hour low: 13.27311, 24 hour high: 13.54800, 24 hour vwap: 13.43482
smickles: 20day std.dev. has not been this low since the beginning of june
smickles: I would, but noone is selling them cheap enough
smickles: BUgpowder: you see all those bids for 1 contract between the strikes of 12 and 15
BUgpowder: ALso I don't have 1001 options to sell
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 598 @ 0.00418797 = 2.5044 BTC [+]
smickles: if i had more btc, i'd be writing splits to sell
smickles: and some of it would be sold to mpoebot
smickles: BUgpowder: how are you valuing things right now, with all this stability?
BUgpowder: I don't have a good american options model
BUgpowder: but I think a strangle while buying some way OTM puts /calls for protection might not be a bad play
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2700 @ 0.00424664 = 11.4659 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 100 @ 0.00426313 = 0.4263 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 200 @ 0.00430915 = 0.8618 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1day: 0.00360675 / 0.00385737 / 0.0048 (646959 shares, 2,495.57 BTC), 30day: 0.0014 / 0.00331133 / 0.0048 (13613295 shares, 45,078.12 BTC)
BUgpowder: want to watch game of thrones season 2
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 352 @ 0.0042397 = 1.4924 BTC [-]
BUgpowder: wife is watching an interview with Anthony Piazza "The Michael Jordon of Mediators"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2805 @ 0.00411747 = 11.5495 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 195 @ 0.00430915 = 0.8403 BTC [+]
smickles: no way the ads will even cover hosting
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 953 @ 0.004204 = 4.0064 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: <BUgpowder> whats THE NEXT BIG THING? hehe hold that thought an hour.
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1day: 0.00360675 / 0.00385934 / 0.0048 (651264 shares, 2,513.45 BTC), 30day: 0.0014 / 0.00331159 / 0.0048 (13617600 shares, 45,096.01 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 826 @ 0.00423181 = 3.4955 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1day: 0.00063114 / 0.00064393 / 0.00065919 (281009 shares, 180.95 BTC), 30day: 0.00050708 / 0.00059773 / 0.00066 (59885099 shares, 35,795.53 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3000 @ 0.00412874 = 12.3862 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1392 @ 0.00423438 = 5.8943 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34050 @ 0.00065919 = 22.4454 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 400 @ 0.00430915 = 1.7237 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1day: 0.00360675 / 0.00386993 / 0.0048 (626638 shares, 2,425.05 BTC), 30day: 0.0014 / 0.00331196 / 0.0048 (13620318 shares, 45,109.99 BTC)
smickles: MPEx adopts the 'fail fast' model, shutting down
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1850 @ 0.00430915 = 7.9719 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1200 @ 0.00428 = 5.136 BTC [-]
gribble: Time since last block: 29 minutes and 10 seconds
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 455 @ 0.00430915 = 1.9607 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1360 @ 0.004331 = 5.8902 BTC [+]
smickles: i just found that my bot 404'd on mpex an hour ago
smickles: mircea_popescu: it 404'd on an order placement
smickles: and it was probably just a momentary thing, and I didn't have code to handle it, so my bot stalled
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3124 @ 0.00065919 = 2.0593 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3900 @ 0.00065953 = 2.5722 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8676 @ 0.00066 = 5.7262 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ok, i just looked in the logs for today. there is no 404.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 400 @ 0.00435909 = 1.7436 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 400 @ 0.00436108 = 1.7444 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: www.followthatpage.com whoa didn't even know this exists.
smickles: heh, google provides that service too
smickles: gives you emails or an rss feed
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1025 @ 0.00436108 = 4.4701 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3083 @ 0.00434 = 13.3802 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.0044719 = 4.4719 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 400 @ 0.00447191 = 1.7888 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19150 @ 0.00065149 = 12.476 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3350 @ 0.00065078 = 2.1801 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1250 @ 0.00451211 = 5.6401 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1800 @ 0.00451211 = 8.1218 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 653 @ 0.00455393 = 2.9737 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2100 @ 0.00460163 = 9.6634 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 800 @ 0.00460163 = 3.6813 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1300 @ 0.00461305 = 5.997 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 300 @ 0.00462586 = 1.3878 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8700 @ 0.00066 = 5.742 BTC [+]
pigeons: wow the mpex banner ad makes mpex look sexy
pigeons: who keeps buying the asks and selling the bids?
pigeons: mircea_popescu: does bcgi have the doubble cherry truck (semi-articulated lorry) award?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22650 @ 0.00066 = 14.949 BTC [+]
pigeons: i mean the Bitcoin Consumer Group Interest you told me about
pigeons: they will never get big enough to be a scam
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 647 @ 0.00459936 = 2.9758 BTC [-]
pigeons: someone get hackelock investment guy in here
pigeons: did he show any holdings of S.DICE
pigeons: no-s-signed seem ridicukoius
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 871 @ 0.00454891 = 3.9621 BTC [-]
pigeons: my internet is slow here at the trailer park
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 381 @ 0.00459212 = 1.7496 BTC [+]
mod6: hi. just saw this. very cool
Namjies: Seems kinda small tho. 1% fee on such small bets.
mircea_popescu: Namjies if it has 100 btc bet a day that's more monthly income than the average mining farm.
mod6: im checkin it out now! suprised I haven't seen this yet...
mircea_popescu: you couldn't have seeing how it was just opened hours ago.
Namjies: Aye. There's not too many bets in similar sites either
Namjies: Looks nice for a start tho
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 236 @ 0.00454891 = 1.0735 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 664 @ 0.0045181 = 3 BTC [-]
gribble: Nick 'honeybadger', with hostmask 'honeybadger!ade705cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.231.5.203', is not identified.
honeybadger: Ok, got the message to sent to the PR. Where would you like me to send it?
honeybadger: Was going to use the direct deposit method with CoinBR.
mircea_popescu: but if you don't have the depisit signature (such as, coinbr did it, not you) you'll have to bug jurov about it
honeybadger: it told me to send a specific amount; the iPhone Blockchain app rounded up by .00000042; Google Docs does it .0000004199999999 when I try to get the difference between the two.
honeybadger: yeah, so I don't think the iPhone app did it.
mircea_popescu: DEPOSIT|{sum}, where the sum is an integer, written in BTC (note that you can not deposit less than 10 BTC). You will be quoted an exact sum, which you must send to the exchange address (1Fx3N5iFPDQxUKhhmDJqCMmi3U8Y7gSncx). Don't round anything, the decimals are there to identify you as the beneficiary. You will be credited the full amount.
honeybadger: 25.02770658; copy pasted with the did that with the QR code that scanned; verified it then hit send payment; it sent 25.027707
honeybadger: in Google Docs 25.027707-25.02770658=.0000004199999999
mircea_popescu: aite, drop by tomorrow, we'll see what jurov has to say about this.
honeybadger: can you hit him up about it; I'll be in Vegas for CES and probably can't stop by.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 250 @ 0.00441766 = 1.1044 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19600 @ 0.00065796 = 12.896 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: mircea_popescu WRT S.BBET Can you be more specific as to how the IPO share allocation will work with respect to buy orders placed before Jan 11? Is it based on time of order placement priority, proportional distribution to all valid orders, lotto system?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 900 @ 0.00441766 = 3.9759 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: eventually as bids and asks exhaust each other a gap will form.
Bugpowder: and person with the highest bid gets it
mircea_popescu: yeah, like any normal sale. if i was to sell 10k of my stock right now, what'd happen ?
mircea_popescu: no matter what price i ask, as long as it's under what we have there
Bugpowder: was hoping for time of order priority of course
mircea_popescu: ya but if i had a scheme like that i wouldn't be issuing at 1k satoshi.
mircea_popescu: obviously a lot of what we do here is experimental, this method should allow for very wide price discovery.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2610 @ 0.00441766 = 11.5301 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: so... it's about 15 times more likely for BFL to deliver asics by april than for mpoe to crash under 3
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4951 @ 0.00065796 = 3.2576 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1045 @ 0.00065465 = 0.6841 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2800 @ 0.00064617 = 1.8093 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 163 @ 0.00441766 = 0.7201 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1637 @ 0.00441792 = 7.2321 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1163 @ 0.00441792 = 5.138 BTC [+]
smickles: < mircea_popescu> so... it's about 15 times more likely for BFL to deliver asics by april than for mpoe to crash under 3
smickles: the mpoe bet sound like a nice hedge
smickles: assuming this 'got milk' site is 'legit'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1400 @ 0.00445519 = 6.2373 BTC [+]
smickles: i did wander off, have a beer (OMGPISS) and go to bed
gribble: Time since last block: 27 minutes and 0 seconds
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7200 @ 0.00064286 = 4.6286 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13900 @ 0.00064196 = 8.9232 BTC [-]
smickles: oh shit! kakobreklaa irlname is Matic?
smickles: I thought it was funny b/c i repeated myself but changed it to an immaterial detail
kakobreklaa: accually people close to me call me 'tic' which sounds like 'tits' but it can accually mean 'dick'.
smickles: hey, so what sets youguys apart from (say) betsofbitcoin
smickles: that's a great competitive edge
kakobreklaa: and you dont need to click next when you browse the bets :)
kakobreklaa: well you cant click it cause the button aint there
smickles: is it that autoload-infiniscroll thing?
smickles: i'm confused... is it an animated gif or something ?
smickles: heh, i mean, it just seems to load the whole page, is that b/c there are not enough bets currently?
kakobreklaa: i dunno i tested it in opera chrome ie and ff
smickles: ah, maybe i just scroll to fast
kakobreklaa: so im fairly sure as long you have JS running
kakobreklaa: i see 'Enable JavaScript to display more bets.'
smickles: i seem to just see all the bets
smickles: I'll see if i can gather any useful infos
kakobreklaa: <noscript><div class="betstatusinfobox lightborder">Enable JavaScript to display more bets.</div></noscript>
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 349 @ 0.00446546 = 1.5584 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2100 @ 0.00447273 = 9.3927 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 551 @ 0.00448047 = 2.4687 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1800 @ 0.00064196 = 1.1555 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14851 @ 0.0006419 = 9.5329 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2999 @ 0.00064058 = 1.9211 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2349 @ 0.00448047 = 10.5246 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 700 @ 0.00449023 = 3.1432 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2452 @ 0.00449973 = 11.0333 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1164 @ 0.00452306 = 5.2648 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12500 @ 0.00064058 = 8.0073 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2300 @ 0.00064328 = 1.4795 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: <smickles> i seem to just see all the bets << nice failover.
mircea_popescu: btw smickles two major sales points : 1. you can get referrals of 1% (= site rake) for any visitors you direct by simply adding ?ref=1bitcoinaddy on any link
mircea_popescu: 2. each bet gets a .1 btc pool by default, it gets split between yes and no, proposer gets the smaller stake to his own address
gribble: Time since last block: 5 minutes and 43 seconds
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 737 @ 0.00445519 = 3.2835 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1063 @ 0.00442616 = 4.705 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1400 @ 0.00064328 = 0.9006 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23700 @ 0.00064328 = 15.2457 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22204 @ 0.00064328 = 14.2834 BTC [+]
smickles: anyone seen the bitvps financial report yet?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1217 @ 0.00442616 = 5.3866 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 716 @ 0.00441528 = 3.1613 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1167 @ 0.00438706 = 5.1197 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1836 @ 0.00438706 = 8.0546 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 764 @ 0.00436462 = 3.3346 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1446 @ 0.00452306 = 6.5403 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3500 @ 0.00453104 = 15.8586 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 154 @ 0.00453131 = 0.6978 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2655 @ 0.00453131 = 12.0306 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.00065954 = 3.4956 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3674 @ 0.00066 = 2.4248 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3813 @ 0.00436462 = 16.6423 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2800 @ 0.00436462 = 12.2209 BTC [-]
gribble: Time since last block: 4 minutes and 26 seconds
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 800 @ 0.00438885 = 3.5111 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 900 @ 0.00438885 = 3.95 BTC [+]
smickles: mircea_popescu: the listed companies, do they agree to pay a fine to the exchange if they violate a clause of the shareholder agreement?
smickles: like, bitvps has to present the financial report today
smickles: is there any penalty if they don't? at all?
mircea_popescu: it's not practical, in the sense that a fine doesn't improve a company's incentive really.
mircea_popescu: giving teh ppl some time to get their shit together before then.
smickles: so, what would give the incentive?
smickles: delisting if it becomes egregious?
mircea_popescu: what i mean is, if company is in good standing, the prospect of a fine if they're not in good standing isn't particularly impressive
mircea_popescu: if they're NOT in good standing, a fine is just another promise not to keep
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 800 @ 0.00441901 = 3.5352 BTC [+]
mod6: I am hopeful for S.BVPS and the new group to run it
mod6: It's paid div's every months since IPO... too bad rg has too much going on just like the rest of us :P I'm hoping the new group can really take it where it needs to go.
jurov: perhaps they have a problem to accurately account for downtime credits (i got 1.5BTC credit twice)
mod6: yeah. more work needs to be put into it.
smickles: jurov: As I am the chief scientist of the soebot foundation, you should send that extra 1.5 btc to me.
mod6: i wish they would have tried to get you on retainer to do the monthly financials, smickles
mod6: or at least, in a more perm basis
mod6: yeah, i remember that.
mod6: stuff was just moving too fast this year -- this year will be a good time for them to get orginized and grow and maintain the company
mod6: It has a sizeable customer base, or did at one time, that's worth trying to preserve.
mircea_popescu: haha so i guess Namjies is the first guy to make some money on bitbet
mod6: ahh! earthquake 'eh
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 254 @ 0.00453131 = 1.151 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 550 @ 0.00454738 = 2.5011 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 217 @ 0.00455387 = 0.9882 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 629 @ 0.00455792 = 2.8669 BTC [+]
smickles: if I had known, I think earthquakes are fairly common, especiall on that timeframe
mircea_popescu: i imagine the person putting 1 btc in was expecting much better odds for his money lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 5100 @ 0.00445112 = 22.7007 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 882 @ 0.00441901 = 3.8976 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1471 @ 0.00455792 = 6.7047 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2973 @ 0.00456817 = 13.5812 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15151 @ 0.00066 = 9.9997 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3550 @ 0.00441901 = 15.6875 BTC [-]
jurov: smickles: soebot foundation is nonprofit seeking donations?!
smickles: jurov: I know you want to send blankets or water, just send your cash.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00445899 = 4.459 BTC [+]
jurov: smickles, you should have used coinbr. there was a bug with order cancellation, if done cautiously, you could have gotten your cash
jurov: i did some fixes to better adapt for delayed mpex order cancellation
jurov: and basically, mismatched the sign, so user got credited btc twice
pigeons: as chief scientist of the pigeon group i can help with that
jurov: as it effected only partially executed orders, it went unnoticed till yesterday
jurov: so the particular users got 190 BTC, went on a binge draining other users' balance to buy S.DICE
jurov: and then he came here complaining about the 25BTC deposit
pigeons: have you talked to him bout it?
jurov: i'm waiting whole day for him to appear
jurov: or to send email.. got nothing
jurov: add to that, it happened at worst possible time, i could not react quickly and in meantime other users put other orders(or tried to)
jurov: but no serious harm was done, except the recovery got much more complicated
mircea_popescu: <honeybadger> can you hit him up about it; I'll be in Vegas for CES and probably can't stop by.
jurov: okay. i'll be definitely interested to know how 190BTC credit could have gone unnoticed.
smickles: well, I for one have never noticed 190btc showing up in my account
jurov: it is already resolved, im doing last checks, then open the gates
jurov: fortunately s.dice went up
jurov: so i don't have to cover
mircea_popescu: and i thought you were a little grumpy today lol. well no wonder :p
jurov: and as to that deposit, if it wasn't already said, mpex policy is apparently that if you round or typo even few satoshi for deposit
jurov: it is treated as donation
mircea_popescu: this is how goat got about 1.5 btc impounded back in 2011 and he's been ragging on mpex ever since
mircea_popescu: but otherwise, the problem we have here is this : you're sending noobs to deposit to mpex, they're doing noobish things. mpex isn't made, or even able to cope with noobs. so that doesn't work too well.
mircea_popescu: why don't you make a nice deposit page so they can deposit straight to coinbr, and float them yourself, like normal people ?
pigeons: i think you should make it so they deposit to weexchange.co, then it funds coinbr ;)
mircea_popescu: well whichever way that doesn't have people rediscovering that whatever fashionable app is borkt every six days and a half.
pigeons: i didn't know goat was butthurt over losing 1.5 btc in an error to mpex
mircea_popescu: back in the old mpoe days. page went like send X exactly, if you don't we keep it etc
mircea_popescu: he sent 1.5 btc and was liek "hey, i would like some options plx kthx"
pigeons: yes he is known for his people skills and tact
jurov: well, we already discussed it privately and i think you will have to deal with deposit problems sooner or later
jurov: so is this an official request to discontinue coinbr direct deposit function?
jurov: indirect deposit is already working, it's no problem to disable the other one
jurov: direct is that "sending noobs to deposit to mpex"
jurov: indirect is funding into coinbr wallet first
mircea_popescu: ok, then please bolt down in a basement somewherhe this direct thing
mircea_popescu: and i'll exceptionally credit these 25btc, seeing how most of the digits are there and you ask so nicely.
mircea_popescu: BUT! FOR SRS! I AM KEEPING ROUNDED SUMS! NOOBS BEWARE!
smickles: I only have 'em do direct when they want to deposit 9x btc than I've even had
mircea_popescu: it becomes a mess of assignments whereby the person with the key is not the person who signed the btc and etfc.
smickles: mircea_popescu: yeah, prolly no advantage except the lenght of the process
smickles: and that's not too much of a benifit
smickles: all the sudden I have 25btc :D
smickles: you should give me 0.01 BTC for that :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2550 @ 0.00442 = 11.271 BTC [-]
smickles: I alread placed a couple of bets
pigeons: people who use "satoshi nakamot" as their online nickname (and aren't satoshi) are retarded
pigeons: there is this guy on linkedin that uses it and posts all these bitcoin articles
kakobreklaa: "whatever was left from the double payments i made!!"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2265 @ 0.00442 = 10.0113 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: not because you're not clever enough, but because it's way too dumb.
mircea_popescu: "i think it costs 30BTC just to open an account? and I don't know how to use their PGP thing..." << this sums it up nicely.
pigeons: my toliet paper is a "smooth platform"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 450 @ 0.00442798 = 1.9926 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1957 @ 0.00445184 = 8.7123 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: "not sure why mpex.co makes it so god damn hard to trade..."
mircea_popescu: answer so obvious, yet "not sure". not sure y not sure.
pigeons: "but i'm very mature for my age, i've had lots of experiences n stuff"
Namjies: so those large bids are counter intuitive right now.
Namjies: Because it will sell the cheap block into the high bid and so forth
Namjies: the cheap bids will never go through.
mircea_popescu: "None of the representatives in the US Congress could figure out how to use MPEx if locked in a room with a computer for a week".
Namjies: When I push BTC, it's in satoshis?
gribble: Current Blocks: 215312 | Current Difficulty: 2979636.6169381 | Next Difficulty At Block: 215711 | Next Difficulty In: 399 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 12 hours, 57 minutes, and 30 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 3253116.58774727 | Estimated Percent Change: 9.17829943606
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7796 @ 0.00065572 = 5.112 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 893 @ 0.00445184 = 3.9755 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1895 @ 0.00445899 = 8.4498 BTC [+]
gribble: SCAM WARNING!! FROM User BitcoinDoubleSpender
pigeons: the content isn't interesting, i just thought you don't need to warn people, his nick already does
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2704 @ 0.0006442 = 1.7419 BTC [-]
StarenseN: why S.BBET does an IPO for 30BTC cash??
mod6: total equity value of 100 BTC
jurov: StarenseN, read the stuff. they will put other offer automatically when this one sells
Anduck: mircea_popescu: how much bbet takes fee?
mircea_popescu: you know, the rate at which this place generates memes is astounding.
mircea_popescu: i mean, just as a persay forinstance : is milk smooth ?
Anduck: S.MPOE will crash this Spring
Anduck: S.MPOE shares 30 day average price as reported by assbot under 0.0003 at any point before April 1st.
Anduck: aaand someone put 100 btc on NO
Anduck: how much is S.MPOE trading now?
gribble: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg] [--currency XXX]) -- Return pretty-printed mtgox ticker. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure that the three letter code you enter is a valid currency (1 more message)
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1day: 0.00063114 / 0.00065018 / 0.00066 (465887 shares, 302.91 BTC), 30day: 0.00050709 / 0.00060174 / 0.00066 (57480054 shares, 34,588.19 BTC)
pigeons: is there a claims site for getting our glue bottles from SATOSHISDAEMON.HORSE yet?
dub: the horse went on to trail riding or something speed agnostic
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1700 @ 0.00445899 = 7.5803 BTC [+]
pigeons: Unfortunately, she appeared to want nothing to do with racing. We have made the decision to discontinue her racing career with our stable. We wish her new connections good luck in their pursuits with the three year old filly.
pigeons: yeah the slower ones are more adhesive
dub: iirc they said trail riding in the thread but glue or catfood wasnt ruled out
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3500 @ 0.00065378 = 2.2882 BTC [+]
mod6: (13:54) < pigeons> Unfortunately, she appeared to want nothing to do with racing.
mod6: ^^^ Thats really quite the laugh.
mircea_popescu: Tecshare lied about me scamming him « 1 2 3 All » usagi
pigeons: yeah he lied about the way i really scammed him, liar
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1600 @ 0.00445899 = 7.1344 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: Only a very limited portion of the Bitcoin Reserve will be available for buybacks. The Bitcoin Reserve's priority will be for balancing first, and then buybacks. I would rather have the fund's shares be traded on the open market, but I know that's not always possible. So, I hope a buyback policy will help in a very limited way with some investor's liquidity.
mircea_popescu: lmao wait. those havelok ppl actually pasted mpex stats w/o the signatures ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 921 @ 0.00445899 = 4.1067 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 629 @ 0.00445911 = 2.8048 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 185 @ 0.00442 = 0.8177 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1714 @ 0.00441901 = 7.5742 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1051 @ 0.00441316 = 4.6382 BTC [-]
jurov: tadada...coinbr back online
jurov: if you want to buy S.BBET, it's is the very last item in new order combobox
pigeons: they don't want you to know the name and email labels on their gpg key at hevelock i suppose
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2121 @ 0.00445911 = 9.4578 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 979 @ 0.00446604 = 4.3723 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 4771 @ 0.00446604 = 21.3075 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 229 @ 0.00446937 = 1.0235 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1449 @ 0.00441316 = 6.3947 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 801 @ 0.00437 = 3.5004 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: that's nonsense, since i could look up teh trades they claim neh ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BVPS] [PAID] 500000 @ 0.000003 = 1.5 BTC
Anduck: heey i have some bvps..
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 4199 @ 0.00437 = 18.3496 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 601 @ 0.00436462 = 2.6231 BTC [-]
jurov: mircea, so it's really 1.5BTC?
mircea_popescu: S.BVPS paid a total dividend of 1.50000000 BTC to 500`000 outstanding shares. #dividend #bitcoin #btc
Anduck: but.. who owns BIB? who's Brendio?
jurov: for a moment i thought the dividend payment is going to be retconned again
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BVPS] 1668 @ 0.00200003 = 3.3361 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: jurov teh assbot used to be the borkt. i guess not anymore maybe
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1025 @ 0.00446937 = 4.5811 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 812 @ 0.00449166 = 3.6472 BTC [+]
kakobreklaa: yeah, the problem doesnt show always but thats not being fixed cause new api is in place
smickles: 1.5 BTC dividend, and no report, no announcement about the new owners, no compliance/statement on 2.2.g of the contract :(
Namjies: We don't really have a place to publish it.
Namjies: We had a 324$ fee which won't be there next months. Otherwise there would have been more.
smickles: (e) The Directors solemnly promise and warrant that complete and accurate Statements of Profit and Loss for each calendar month will be published by them no later than by the fifth day of the new month. Under exceptional circumstances and for good cause the publishing of the Statements of Profit and Loss can be deferred no more than once in a calendar year so that the Statement of Profit and Loss of one month is published together with the Statem
Namjies: But rg was apparently not giving 50% on previous divs but as much as he could. And we seem to have lost a few clients over rg's neglect of the business in the past months.
Namjies: We decided to make very detailed statements so everyone knows exactly what's going on with expenses/income
Namjies: Well we got things back to running smoothly. We'll now try to expand.
Namjies: We might advertise a lot in the coming months.
Namjies: The servers ain't full, so if we can get more clients, wouldn't raise expenses.
mod6: well good deal Namjies, keep those customers happy! :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5596 @ 0.00065378 = 3.6586 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1104 @ 0.00065325 = 0.7212 BTC [-]
mod6: glad to see that :)
mod6: awe.. heheh. ok brb.
Namjies: For a second I thought you didn't like it
mod6: it does look good though, glad to see some statements
pigeons: color ones will make more money
Namjies: Well the WHMCS owned license won't be there next months. 325$. We won't have to pay 19$ monthly for it now.
kakobreklaa: pigeons, also if you put a pic of brain onto it, it will sell more
pigeons: kakobreklaa: "in the cloud"
Namjies: Yeah, but it shows the amount in USD we've paid for it.
Namjies: As you can see, it matches the USD on server bills.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4148 @ 0.00065325 = 2.7097 BTC [-]
Namjies: I'd have to check WHMCS, one sec.
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C120T] 1 @ 0.16406983 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P120T] 1 @ 0.08155862 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C130T] 1 @ 0.1336008 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P130T] 1 @ 0.11088032 BTC [-]
Namjies: looks like we have 115 active records
Namjies: We have 863913 shares on 1 million apparently.
Namjies: So only 136087 owned by the public.
Namjies: Eh, that's not actually much.
mod6: Namjies: weren't only 300`000 released to the public anyway?
Namjies: 237592 left in S.BVPS account.
Namjies: I had lots of shares prior to rg leaving BitVPS =P
mod6: If I had more time I'd offer to help more.
mod6: I'm just too tied up with this other stuff.
mod6: I've still got like 10k
Namjies: I paid them alot thinking the dividend paids were 50% of BitVPS's profit >.>
Namjies: Guess I have all the reasons to grow BitVPS now.
Anduck: when is this spreadsheet coming out?
Namjies: RG was doing no or little accounting.
Namjies: Aye, but he was giving much more than he should
Anduck: will you guys make everything automatic btw?
Namjies: Aye, just sad we lost many customers over the last months apparently.
Anduck: ya gotta advertise a lot
mod6: bad news travels fast when peoples tickes get neglected on stuff like their VPS -- many people use them to host wallets to make payments etc.
mod6: if you stay on top of the technical issues and keep up the SLA -- that and some decent customer service will go a long way.
Namjies: It's not advertising, the issues from rg being too busy on his new job and the fact he half transfered us the login details (we didn't know the account to pay some bills/get support from datacenters)
Namjies: We had some downtime and hard time fixing things.
Namjies: All during the holidays =/
Namjies: Now everything is back on track.
mod6: Well it's good that you got the kinks worked out. :)
mod6: Jumping into stuff like that can always get hairy.
mod6: the knowledge transfer and roles/responsibilities is tough in a crunch, I know how that goes.
jurov: mod6, in fact hosting wallets, at least with full client, is forbidden under bitvps TOS
jurov: rg has thought of funding multiwallet patch for bitcoind to allow this
mod6: oh hmm.. thought people used to do that
mod6: maybe the blockchain just got too big... but I thought that he worked something out?
mod6: maybe thats what you're referring to
jurov: i don't know. i put together working prototype, but he hadn't time or whatever.
Namjies: We moved to bitpay to process payment. We'll lose 0.99% in fees. But like that there's no incentive to hack BitVPS for it's wallet. Plus nice features.
Namjies: We'll use an offline wallet.
jurov: mod6 meant vps users, not bitvps as a whole
Namjies: It was just an unrelated comment
jurov: now it's over...craziest birthday in my life
mod6: ! happy birthday jurov
mircea_popescu: <kakobreklaa> Namjies how many vps-es are run by bitbps << ahaha so cute
jurov: looks like bait orders for CoinBr.MPBPT-E work... 22BTC worth sold already
jurov: maybe next month we can try BBET-like strategy
jurov: ;;sell 1 BTC 1 MPExBTC "Fast MPEx funding. Fixed fee 0.1BTC"
jurov: 30 BTC available atm
mod6: there you go! order book ftw!
smickles: I'll have to go feed my daughter tho ;)
smickles: heh, well designed site, this ^ as evidence
mircea_popescu: mind telling the guy asking that it's mods that control the outcomes
mircea_popescu: ahhh, i have a good feeling about this site. ppl like it!
jurov: lol "non-favoritism of either entity may easily be verified by third parties"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 800 @ 0.00438454 = 3.5076 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 950 @ 0.00440251 = 4.1824 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8850 @ 0.00065993 = 5.8404 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 449 @ 0.00436462 = 1.9597 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 801 @ 0.00433089 = 3.469 BTC [-]
Namjies: It's technically the same odds long term.
Namjies: The best odds is on the lowest "win" odds
Namjies: Don't bet 500 BTC. Bet 0.01 x 50 000 on Less than 1
Namjies: Bet 500 BTC x 50 000 then.
Namjies: The house should win 1.9% of bets. So you can actually bet about ~52 times as much as you have cash.
Namjies: So with 1 million BTC, you could make 52 million BTC bets.
Namjies: Then evoorhee is very, very happy
kakobreklaa: so was thinking is this allowed "this bet will reach over 100btc by tomorrow"
Namjies: I'd say a bet where user can make it happen directly... open to abuse
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2290 @ 0.00440251 = 10.0817 BTC [+]
gribble: Current Blocks: 215353 | Current Difficulty: 2979636.6169381 | Next Difficulty At Block: 215711 | Next Difficulty In: 358 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 7 hours, 5 minutes, and 32 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 3252770.12040778 | Estimated Percent Change: 9.16667159737
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.00437644 = 2.1882 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5450 @ 0.00065384 = 3.5634 BTC [-]
Namjies: Well it's getting good betting for something just out.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1100 @ 0.00435721 = 4.7929 BTC [-]
Namjies: THE DICE! IT'S LOADED! I should double everytime I roll six but I roll six 1.9% less than I should statistically do.
gribble: Time since last block: 3 minutes and 10 seconds
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1349 @ 0.00433089 = 5.8424 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 700 @ 0.00432627 = 3.0284 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: I have a weird key issue... I will fix
mircea_popescu: im just there to keep it from being really successful.
jurov: yeah, mpoe-pr will make sure of that :P
jurov: i have a fun bet proposal: The Rota won't sentence anyone till...whatever
mircea_popescu: well i don't think that can be a bet cause one person could easily manipulate it
thestrin1puller: nah. i already am drawing up papers for a court date against usagi on behalf of the shareholders
jurov: oh.. so make a bet that "usagi will be sentenced by the rota" then
Diablo-D3: man, what the fuck was wrong with usagi
Diablo-D3: meh, usagi wishes he worked as hard as I do
thestrin1puller: or was he just dumb and lost a bunch of money and is trying to bluff his way out like a bad poker player
Diablo-D3: poker bluffing is digging yourself a hole but meaning well
mircea_popescu: he was dumb and lost a lot of money, is in denial about it.
mircea_popescu: it's very little money and he has a lot of spare time, so arguing about it with him sort of feels like giving a perv a handjob
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: yeah, but how the fuck did he do it
mircea_popescu: "o, it's your job to prove that my stock generation rerun is legit"
Diablo-D3: I mean, DMC "lost" money because nefario refused to do his job
mircea_popescu: Diablo-D3 nah, it lost money because you were stubborn and acted as if you can push the market.
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: no, I did end up pushing the market
Diablo-D3: it wasnt quite what I intended, but I imagine I wasnt the only one left holding the bag on that
Diablo-D3: I think its partly why nefario ran away
Andck: what asic provider will be first?
mircea_popescu: maybe, he just up and realised one day that he's running an exchange which pretty much has nothing wortyhwhile on it.
Anduck: Diablo-D3: they're the only one with actual chips?
Anduck: i saw pics of them having them
Diablo-D3: friedcat should be shipping mine soon
Anduck: i think people are really underestimating the boxing of the chips in the circuit
Anduck: Diablo-D3: asic chips or built circuits?
mircea_popescu: "BitInstant extremely poor design, lots of confusion, poor service"
mircea_popescu: and speaking of which, who with actual provable fmcg/retail experience wants to partner to make a real bitcoinamazon ?
mircea_popescu: no. i just need one single person with good contacts that can get real discounts.
mircea_popescu: "An open letter to LTC-GLOBAL members who are downvoting BMF " eh there you go.
Diablo-D3: [09:02:02] <mircea_popescu> Diablo-D3 afaik they don't ship anything, they mione
Diablo-D3: they may not have enough to sell in the first generation
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: thats always BEEN the plan
Diablo-D3: it depends entirely on what happens when they turn the units on
Diablo-D3: if enough of them function flawlessly and they hit I think 15TH, then they can begin selling them
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: yes! its in the goddamned contract
mircea_popescu: i didn't even know they had a contract. you mean post ?
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: asicminer's shares have a contract, yes
Diablo-D3: yes, and soon to be on a new exchange as well
kakobreklaa: srsly, the chan topic does have a char limit
Anduck: Diablo-D3: will you receive ASIC processors or the actual circuits built around the asic chip??
Diablo-D3: its going to be one for friedcat's assets alone, including asicminer
Anduck: it's a huge difference
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1700 @ 0.00432328 = 7.3496 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: Anduck: you mean an actual finished product? yes.
Diablo-D3: Anduck: the term you're looking for is "mounting a chip on a board"
Anduck: well, they've got the board ready already, too???
Diablo-D3: I havent asked him about the boards, but afaik they were being produced concurrently
Diablo-D3: fabbing boards is a lot easier, cheaper, and takes less time than fabbing chips
Diablo-D3: Anduck: hopefully, Ill have one in my hands by the end of this month
Diablo-D3: the funny part is, just one would replace an entire GPU farm
Anduck: Diablo-D3: remember to take pics
Diablo-D3: Anduck: nope, Im going to take no pics just to piss people off
thestringpuller: PsychoticBoy: not really I got a gpu for 10 dollars and it will pay itself off pretty soon
thestringpuller: I'm going to steal Diablo-D3's idea and use reusable power
Diablo-D3: I made the idea public for a reason.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5400 @ 0.00065894 = 3.5583 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8600 @ 0.00065384 = 5.623 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: I may end up just being hired by someone to make it happen
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1279 @ 0.00432328 = 5.5295 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1950 @ 0.00435363 = 8.4896 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1200 @ 0.00435685 = 5.2282 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1 @ 0.00435721 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 223 @ 0.00436871 = 0.9742 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 170 @ 0.00436871 = 0.7427 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2300 @ 0.0043755 = 10.0637 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 48 @ 0.00439255 = 0.2108 BTC [+]
Anduck: Diablo-D3: reusable power - you think you're patenting _that_???
Anduck: what is wrong with you americans
mircea_popescu: he ain't patenting anything, he's just shootin da breez
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2484 @ 0.00065992 = 1.6392 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4304 @ 0.00065993 = 2.8403 BTC [+]
JWU42: I need to figure WTF is going on with BIB.BVPS
Bugpowder: seemed like driver was alseep at the switch
JWU42: it traded on GLBSE
JWU42: so not sure how you dumped it last month
Bugpowder: serious though, what happened to the div?
gribble: rg was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 weeks, 0 days, 17 hours, 36 minutes, and 25 seconds ago: <rg> good times
Anduck: JWU42: whats wrong with him being away?
JWU42: I said "not encouraging"
Anduck: didnt he say he's quite busy with his new job
JWU42: as in him not being here (as he used to be)
JWU42: maybe him being absent means more time "working"
Bugpowder: i though rg isn't in charge anymore
kakobreklaa: i need someone in the usa to send sms for me
Anduck: arij, namjies, atleast
Anduck: there was someone else, too
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1152 @ 0.00439255 = 5.0602 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1518 @ 0.00440251 = 6.683 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2000 @ 0.00443223 = 8.8645 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1300 @ 0.00444827 = 5.7828 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2909 @ 0.00445982 = 12.9736 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2448 @ 0.00449166 = 10.9956 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 5845 @ 0.00449357 = 26.2649 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1day: 0.00430002 / 0.00443282 / 0.00456817 (128348 shares, 568.94 BTC), 30day: 0.0014 / 0.00333114 / 0.0048 (13819049 shares, 46,033.20 BTC)
gribble: Nick 'kakobreklaa', with hostmask 'kakobreklaa!~T42@89-212-41-49.static.t-2.net', is not identified.
gribble: Error: I am not seeing this user on IRC. If you want information about a registered gpg user, try the 'gpg info' command instead.
gribble: Nick 'kakobrekla', with hostmask 'kakobrekla!~T42@89-212-41-49.static.t-2.net', is identified as user kakobrekla, with GPG key id 27AF75321F2489E8, key fingerprint 27C3CE9A20851312F086268C27AF75321F2489E8, and bitcoin address None
kakobrekla: ;;rate Bugpowder 1 a wonderful sms provider
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user Bugpowder has been recorded.
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1day: 0.00430002 / 0.00443295 / 0.00456817 (127185 shares, 563.81 BTC), 30day: 0.0014 / 0.00333114 / 0.0048 (13819049 shares, 46,033.20 BTC)
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 13.45461, Best ask: 13.49800, Bid-ask spread: 0.04339, Last trade: 13.45461, 24 hour volume: 18155.80396150, 24 hour low: 13.31500, 24 hour high: 13.52999, 24 hour vwap: 13.44816
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 546 @ 0.00065993 = 0.3603 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14554 @ 0.00065999 = 9.6055 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 950 @ 0.00065384 = 0.6211 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14464 @ 0.00065325 = 9.4486 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2836 @ 0.00064202 = 1.8208 BTC [-]
mod6: thestringpuller: Bubbles is my hero.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 964 @ 0.00064202 = 0.6189 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6180 @ 0.0006417 = 3.9657 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2392 @ 0.00064058 = 1.5323 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 13.49991, Best ask: 13.49998, Bid-ask spread: 0.00007, Last trade: 13.49998, 24 hour volume: 17547.94335078, 24 hour low: 13.32066, 24 hour high: 13.52999, 24 hour vwap: 13.45388
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1day: 0.00430002 / 0.00442786 / 0.00456817 (114320 shares, 506.19 BTC), 30day: 0.0014 / 0.00333114 / 0.0048 (13819049 shares, 46,033.20 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1755 @ 0.00449357 = 7.8862 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2065 @ 0.0045 = 9.2925 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7109 @ 0.00064058 = 4.5539 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7791 @ 0.00063975 = 4.9843 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: how come no one gets mad at Bugpowder for using the channel as a realtime ticker :P
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 446 @ 0.00065999 = 0.2944 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12854 @ 0.00066 = 8.4836 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: jesus, i am sick and tired of the internet opening up a global venue for each single imbecile who'd normally be locked away somewherhe among four walls.
mircea_popescu: This betting site has a really stupid betting system. It appears that the amount of money you receive isn't based on a pricing of the bet, as is done on all real prediction markets, but based on a simple payout of all the bets received on the other side of the bet by the end of the bet date. This system has two practical consequences: 1. You can't determine the markets current probability estimates from the current sta
mircea_popescu: te of the market, as you can with priced markets. 2. You should never bet until the last second so you can know the odds for the bet. In fact, it would make sense to create a sniping bot that would programmatically calculate the odds, compare them to your probability estimate, and only make the bet if it is favorable. There is another site called Bets of Bitcoin (
http://betsofbitco.in/) that has similarly dumb rules.
mircea_popescu: apparently, mutual betting is dumb. so sayz anonymousdicwad on unheardofsite
mircea_popescu: "I have to agree, I was trying to work out how the odds are calculated and it makes no sense. Why not copy what Betfair or Intrade or something like that do."
mircea_popescu: heck, copying what betfair does got him all the way through highschool in rome wisconsin
mircea_popescu: and he's about to graduate the local agricaltural college too!
thestringpuller: you're from romania...that's like telling the street urchin who turned into a prince he doesn't know "street life"
gribble: Current Blocks: 215438 | Current Difficulty: 2979636.6169381 | Next Difficulty At Block: 215711 | Next Difficulty In: 273 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 18 hours, 41 minutes, and 39 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 3235311.85244907 | Estimated Percent Change: 8.58075223192
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 387 @ 0.00452292 = 1.7504 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2800 @ 0.00455337 = 12.7494 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 327 @ 0.00456817 = 1.4938 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2210 @ 0.00457248 = 10.1052 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 952 @ 0.00458276 = 4.3628 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3698 @ 0.00458276 = 16.947 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1302 @ 0.00458861 = 5.9744 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1448 @ 0.00458861 = 6.6443 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 302 @ 0.00459989 = 1.3892 BTC [+]
dub: competition heating up
jurov: bitcoingamblin.com, cute... anyone noticed pirate hat?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2298 @ 0.00449327 = 10.3255 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: Public Note: The ghost of Satoshi will rip off your head and crap in your throat.
smickles: Bugpowder: does blockchain display (what are they called) coinbase messages now?
Bugpowder: I have a friend that is finally ready to buy some coins $5k worth. What's the best way right now? I used Tangible Cryptography in the past, and was great. Not sure if he will accept new clients right now though.
Bugpowder: smickles, I dunno.. there are some messages there.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7586 @ 0.00066 = 5.0068 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: i may need to liquidate some assets lemme know if you'll be around tonight
smickles: I can certainly make an appointment
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1650 @ 0.00444605 = 7.336 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3350 @ 0.00445237 = 14.9154 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 573 @ 0.00445237 = 2.5512 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1344 @ 0.00459989 = 6.1823 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 550 @ 0.00462446 = 2.5435 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1050 @ 0.00463124 = 4.8628 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2056 @ 0.00463274 = 9.5249 BTC [+]
gribble: jurov was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 hour, 22 minutes, and 57 seconds ago: <jurov> bitcoingamblin.com, cute... anyone noticed pirate hat?
FabianB_: jurov: just made a deposit, sent further to mpex?
FabianB_: oh, i guess has no confirmation yet :(
jurov: FabianB_,done. i trust you won't doublespend me ;)
gribble: #12732 Sat Jan 5 16:43:31 2013 jurov SELL 1.0 BTC @ 1 MPExBTC (Fast MPEx funding. Fixed fee 0.1BTC)
jurov: coinbr clients free ofc
jurov: wonder why bitcoin fundation is not doing anything like that, leaving genjix on rampage
dub: presumably the plan is to delay acceptance until the client/protocol is ready
dub: letting fucktards and assgoblins run PR has been deemed the best way to keep us clear of the mainstream
dub: I like the pick of amir on that page though, looks like he's trying to make a facepalm but can't even manage that
dub: THIS IS THE SIDE OF MY HEAD, THERE ARE MANY HEADSIDES LIKE IT BUT THIS ONE IS MINE
Bugpowder: "Taaki is a speaker of Esperanto, which he promotes as an auxiliary country-neutral international language to preserve local languages. "
Bugpowder: If I wanted to claim to be a speaker of a language, I would pick one which nobody else would be able to confirm that I can or cannot speak
Diablo-D3: esperanto is the most widespread artifical language
Bugpowder: do you know anyone that speaks it?
kakobrekla: hm, that bitcointalk thread should be in teh wiki ;>
FabianB_: mircea_popescu: didn't u want to spring scrub K.KBRL?
jurov: FabianB_, that's successor of B.BITB
dub: My team is already in contact with SWIFT which has operated for 30 years and is the backbone of international money transfer for over 9000 banks.
dub: The sooner they are regulated, the sooner users can have legal assurances that merchants are liable for their operations. The negligence seen at MTGox would never have happened in a regulated market.
jurov: dub, genjix said *that*???
dub: but also, anon is legion etc
dub: im thinking multiple personalitly disorder
jurov: we should hatch a plan to troll that conference. in full force at least from romania, slovakia and slovenia :)
dub: Bugpowder: yeah that face has meth written all over it
jurov: maybe even evoorhees caould be persuaded to take part
kakobrekla: community will pay for the trave and accomodation costs
dub: The point to Bitcoin is that you can choose your own level of trust in an external service. One of our group's members, Patrick Strateman, came up with a scheme whereby a wallet could be recovered algorithmically using an email and a password.
dub: so much funny right there
dub: turns out patricks mail server let someone 'recover' all of bitcoinicas wallet
dub: I went to fill in the Paypal form, spent 10 mins signing up to an account, entering all my very personal details and my card was rejected.
FabianB_: paypal for a bitcoin conference?
Namworld: dub, you can't pay with your library card.
jurov: indeed i'll collect funds for mpoe-pr to travel there
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2050 @ 0.00460243 = 9.435 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1482 @ 0.00455449 = 6.7498 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00063976 = 3.1988 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7909 @ 0.00063975 = 5.0598 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6153 @ 0.00063899 = 3.9317 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1468 @ 0.00446855 = 6.5598 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00444 = 4.44 BTC [-]
gribble: smickles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 hours, 14 minutes, and 4 seconds ago: <smickles> I can certainly make an appointment
gribble: mod6 was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 8 hours, 18 minutes, and 22 seconds ago: <mod6> thestringpuller: Bubbles is my hero.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1850 @ 0.00444 = 8.214 BTC [-]
pigeons: yes vragnaroda speaks perfect esperanto
dub: sounds more like a vindaloo man
pigeons: well beans are good for your heart
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2400 @ 0.00444878 = 10.6771 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1050 @ 0.00462278 = 4.8539 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 522 @ 0.00462375 = 2.4136 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: the idea that esperanto helps local languages is pretty good. nothing like something that really sucks as a standard to keep internationalisation at bay.
mircea_popescu: dub wtf ?! the negligence seen at mtgox happens every month with irl banks.
mircea_popescu: Mike Gogulski (Bitcoin laundry) ? wtf is that! i need to knoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1day: 0.00430002 / 0.00446669 / 0.00463274 (82268 shares, 367.47 BTC), 30day: 0.0014 / 0.00333481 / 0.0048 (13847718 shares, 46,179.57 BTC)
pigeons: mircea_popescu: gogulski is from nostate.com
pigeons: he used to be in irc all the time but a few years ago
pigeons: i think it was the mybitcoin nonsense when he started saying pfffh
mircea_popescu: Fixing the “100% CPU and no useful output” imklog+rsyslog kernel logging problem on Ubuntu guests under Xen PV
pigeons: he bought a mixer and the motto was "get your bitcoins whiter than white"
pigeons: nothing to do with usagi ;)
pigeons: he used to maintain a bitcoin wordpress shopping cart plugin
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1250 @ 0.00462375 = 5.7797 BTC [+]
pigeons: he's mostly known for renouncing us citizenship for a "not a citizen under the blessing of slovakia" card
dub: mircea_popescu: the shitheads responsible for bitcoinica calling mtgox negligent is funny enough by itself
mircea_popescu: i mean, they were, yes, but not much moreso than your average bank. whereas the average bank still is, 10-15 years later
mircea_popescu: and after 100`000x as many ownages, exploits and general mayhem
pigeons: gotta give em that at least
dub: is cody the gun printing guy?
dub: i closed tab and cannot be fucked finding link
dub: the gun printing guy was listed as a speaker iirc
pigeons: he is "wiki weapon" guy, which is in some ways quite behind the other gun printing projects
mircea_popescu: so basically... a guy that's been out of the game since about before it started, taaki and a gun printing guy.
mircea_popescu: or wait, what's the guy who had a show where he used cameras in demo mode ?
dub: that was bruce I think
dub: the bitciontv slash child rapist dude
dub: spent the last few weeks erasing my memory
pigeons: oh course who they need is nefario
Bugpowder: People that make the most rediculous claims will get the most press, every time
pigeons: dreamhost has pictures of their big tubes in their ad
mircea_popescu: i see them struggling in a flypaper venue with bad make-up on
pigeons: there was discussion on it in -otc the other day, i didnt see any use for it at all
mircea_popescu: cause yeah, i wanted to ask iof they actually have a value proposition that i've overlooked
pigeons: but a few said they just loved being able to send ach from their bank to a bootstrap site and get bitcoins at mygox + 1%
pigeons: well it seems worse than piuk's even cause i think they are just straight mybitcoin 2.0 no we dont hold your keys tricks
mircea_popescu: for the other, at least in blockchain's case i have some feel of who's behind
pigeons: what turned me off before i even looked at the site and saw "hosted bitcoin wallet" was the spammy .1 btc refferal scheme
mircea_popescu: i'm not sure i'd hold something like that against a new service. maybe.
Bugpowder: Wow, just finding this classic thread
pigeons: a bunch of newbs contantly beg you to open a new coinbase account and get free btc if you hook up you bank account
mircea_popescu: pigeons so does it work as it's supposed and this stuff i keep reading is basically noobish nonsense ?
pigeons: its like formalized forum begging/scamming
dub: Bugpowder: now find MNW's 'totally legit pictures of underage girls in swimsuits'
mircea_popescu: "Truly, I'm puzzled by Joel's defense of Mr. Starfish, especially after Patrick's default and disappearance. I can think of few scammers in this cesspool who are more blatant and deserve less sympathy than Patrick."
dub: Bugpowder: oh and who could forget amir's 'skype phonesex with two 16 y/o'
dub: a few people posted that they'd used it
mircea_popescu: "Offline storage (sometimes called “cold storage”) is the process of taking money that is connected to the internet and moving it offline for safe keeping."
pigeons: much safer on plastic housed usb sticks
mircea_popescu: shows a deep, fundamental understanding of the truck/pipes issue.
mircea_popescu: Why do this? Well, any computer that is connected to the internet with money on it (or bitcoins) is a target for hackers. Keeping servers secure involves many variables and is it’s own area of study and research. Under normal conditions this level of security should be sufficient, but payment apps are held to a higher standard.
mircea_popescu: high comedy. you can always trust pigeon's link. they don't contain porn in the sense of tit and cunt.
mircea_popescu: they contain porn of a more intellectual and much more obscene nature.
dub: I will do ANYTHING to make bitcoin better for the good of humanity!! Oh and I'm going to pimp some quesitonably legal sexual exploitation to make a fast buck
dub: im not hitting that from work
mircea_popescu: tho it does meet the questionable legal explotaition part. maybe no fast bux
Bugpowder: I really love that photo thread though
thestringpuller: "2011 will no doubt be remembered as the year that Bitcoinica took Bitcoin by storm. With leveraged trading, playing the Bitcoin markets went from tee-ball to the big leagues, seemingly overnight. 2012, however, will take things to a whole new level. Mt.Gox and Tradehill have both hinted at the fact that they will be unveiling futures and options markets as part of their development plan, with Mt.Gox possibly br
mircea_popescu: srsly, options were this big thing, imminent in like, July 2011.
JWU42: my good freind usagi had to comment ;)
mircea_popescu: so basically, you're piling up your share and plan to distribute it when ?
JWU42: ideally later this week if it stays private
JWU42: it is not relisted on a new exchange and payments are made directly to the holders
JWU42: it might take longer to begin payouts if it is listed on a new exhcnage as then holders would need to create accounts, etc.
Bugpowder: "SO I believe a remedy is available to JWU. It's simple -- something akin to... give up his current stake in YABMC. I.e. ~500 BTC."
JWU42: and the whole "unregulated securities" concerns of listing again
mircea_popescu: probably cleanest to just disburse. i don't see why any sane exchange would want a wreck listed to beghin with
JWU42: Bugpowder: yeah - I have the BTC ready to go and plan to
JWU42: as of Friday was around 48 BTC
Bugpowder: I don't trust usagi's valuation models.
JWU42: I didn't get burned per se
JWU42: I suppose it is the bondholders are are getting less than they deserve
Namworld: Anyone heard anything from/about Amazingrando by the way?
JWU42: since the payout would be ~ 60% of what it should have been
JWU42: Namworld: he just posted in his thread
JWU42: mircea_popescu: yeah - some damaged goodwill perhaps
mircea_popescu: well... that's ahead of the game. i guess if you survive you might end up a banker or something.
dub: are not HK and PH already tagged?
Namworld: Damn. He's not answering my PMs
JWU42: I suppose conspiro... was not aware when he first posted
JWU42: cannot remember his full handle ;)
JWU42: it even took a while for Pirate to get to a negative rating
JWU42: people don't look at that often and tend to rate only when transacting
Bugpowder: Matthew N. Wright debt (750 bitcoins) Hashking Debt (550 btc) Imsaguy debt (approx. 300 BTC)
Namworld: I rated Pirate like an eternity after he defaulted... and was his first negative rating.
JWU42: ahh - he has 30 shares of YABMC
pigeons: "PPT debt (everything from goat to brendio direct -- if you really want this just PM me)"
mircea_popescu: ya 6k gsdpt is worth a little, iirc they were even with s.dice ?
pigeons: so 1 million btc worth of worthlessness = 0 btc
JWU42: I have a few thousand BIB.BVPS as well
Namworld: Hey... I want those S.BVPS shares.
JWU42: need to foigure when brendio is gonna opay the past few months dvis
Bugpowder: well, using usagi's valuation model, we should probably discount the hashking debt to 75% of par
mircea_popescu: pigeons he hasn't shown up lately, we used to chat ocasionally back like last summer.
Bugpowder: Is S.BVPS not paying divs anymore or what?
JWU42: last spoke to Brendio on Dec 7th it seems
Namworld: We'd have ~300$ more profit if we didn't buy a WHMCS owned license.
pigeons: that sounds forward lookin g:)
JWU42: well that looks like a wonderful business
Namworld: Still far less then previous dividends.
JWU42: that means I get like a satoshi per share
pigeons: ok i guess i have to post comparison
pigeons: from some MOB or something ltc asset
Namworld: That's actually 300 satoshi per share.
Namworld: We'd have close to 30 BTC profit without that fixed cost thing.
Namworld: We'll also be spending on advertisement and getting software which will cost.
pigeons: i'm waiting for my, email about how new management is gonna be so responsive and stuff
Namworld: yes, 324$ owned instead of monthly. You still pay 50$ per year for updates.
Bugpowder: wtf! That Credit Score is hilarious
Namworld: 228$ per year, less 50$ for yearly updates, 178$ saved each year.
dub: I want to kill myself but I can't.
dub: usagi fails even at failure
Bugpowder: How can ANYONE's time be worth so little as to be skimming percentages off of sub 1 BTC loans and making a spreadsheet of them. Google
mircea_popescu: "Friedcat still verifies shares. Today i got my confirmation for 1252 shares. GLBSE official data infos. So im safed now because my things with glbse are cleared finally."
Bugpowder: Google's server costs to host that page are more then the value of the stuff being tracked.
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder i think you have no idea what they squeeze out of a server.
mircea_popescu: i'd guess their per-spreadsheet costs are under a satoshi.
Bugpowder: what about the calories burnt entering the data into the spreadsheet. those cost money
Bugpowder: xbabyboy4021x 0.25 8% 30 Days every 7 days DEFAULT Sold To Smiley (0.15)
Namworld: Wait spreadsheets for less than 1 BTC of debts?
pigeons: i posted it 2 days in a row now
mircea_popescu: 0.25 btc in default sold for .15 this guy should work for BoA
Bugpowder: Was able to sell my distressed package of loans for 0.15BTC. 0.1 was written off.
Namworld: Well it started with 269 BTC of debt. But I guess it's now a 0.04 BTC of debt spreadsheet xD
Bugpowder: LTC loans, little tiny children loans.
mircea_popescu: i was bored out of my fucking mind. in spite of paying like 8 bux tgo be there and also being with a bunch of friends so we just made fun of the comedians the whole time
mircea_popescu: then i come to irc, im laughing my ass off for the past two hours.
Bugpowder: you can't buy a pencil at the elementary school shop
mircea_popescu: i wish to sell my quality comedy club time (2 hours) for .1 btc now.
Bugpowder: So, is BitcoinsDirect still the best place to get large # of coins for US people?
Bugpowder: Got a friend that is ready to dip his toe in
pigeons: dont think i've heard of it
Bugpowder: walk into bank fill out slip, get coins 1% below gox like 2 hours later
Bugpowder: Is the S.BBET IPO going to go off EXACTLY at midnight Jan 11th, or is it going to be human-triggered around that time?
pigeons: i just keep hitting refresh
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 129 @ 0.00462375 = 0.5965 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 494 @ 0.00463274 = 2.2886 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 600 @ 0.00464937 = 2.7896 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2063 @ 0.0046669 = 9.6278 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1day: 0.00430002 / 0.00447985 / 0.0046669 (83804 shares, 375.43 BTC), 30day: 0.0014 / 0.00333524 / 0.0048 (13850953 shares, 46,196.31 BTC)
Bugpowder: you should be able to figure that out
Bugpowder: I just want to know when I need to have any orders place by to get that initial allotment
Bugpowder: i get cash from friend, I buy coins, I send coins to friend and I either have another few hundred coins for my fund, or MP gets another 30BTC account fee.
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder it will be automated, but for my own edumancation
Bugpowder: why should I provide pricing info to other bidders until just before the event starts
Namworld: You don't have a MPEx account yet?
Namworld: Don't forget to give them your public MPEx key =P
Bugpowder: I am too bad at GPG to get the joke :(
mircea_popescu: i still don't see how other bidders can use that info is the thing.
pigeons: did havelock ever show a signed statement?
Namworld: You refer them have them mention your account ID (public key fingerprint)
Namworld: Mircea credits both account with 5 BTC
Namworld: Well, seems like people are still not aware of the referral system =/
Bugpowder: Well, I'm not sure if witholding info will make a difference or not. But I think it will
Bugpowder: Allow me to place bids for optimal allotments based on the existing bids
Bugpowder: without having others change their bid in time to counter me.
Bugpowder: but now I have revealed my strategy so ;(
dub: IPO sniping was big sport on glbse
Ukto: thestringpuller: i looked through a box for ff7
Ukto: i think its under some other stuff in a crate
Ukto: gonna try to look in an hour
mircea_popescu: im thinking it's equally likely that waiting will get you a benefit or a loss
mircea_popescu: on one hand, the guy with the top bid is guaranteed sharex
mircea_popescu: on the other, if he gets sold through then you can get shares cheaper later
Bugpowder: It will be an interesting experiment
Bugpowder: I don't know if I like the mutual betting model with time-weighting though
Bugpowder: I have used betsofbitco.in for a long time, and I think the time-weighting diminishes betting volume closer to the event, which is when more people want to be, due to time value of money
Bugpowder: I just want a bitcoin sportsbook with traditional moneyline and pointspreads
Bugpowder: thestringpuller got it off the twitter
Bugpowder: Well, you could go based off the hilton lines
Bugpowder: and if you have a decent bankroll you can at least allow betting based on the spread
Bugpowder: and just up the juice a bit more than a trad book
Bugpowder: to deal with the low volume / high variance
Bugpowder: whoever has coins, some betting knowledge, website knowledge and a dream
Bugpowder: There are other problems with the mutual model. It's very hard to get large bets going
mircea_popescu: dude. you completely misrepresent the total lack of competence in bitcoin
Bugpowder: You need a vegas sharp to partner with
mircea_popescu: there's like, 100 or so coders, most incompetent, a few bright, some acceptable
mircea_popescu: there's like 1-2k preop transsexuals, random internet kids
mircea_popescu: there's a bunch of ex cons that are all against the state for the very phylosophycal reason that they have priors
Bugpowder: with the mutual model, if you want to lay 100BTC down, you need to have faith that other people will bet up the other side to an acceptable odds level
Bugpowder: Only BFL shit really gets BTCs over 10
dub: thats an excellent summary of the bitcoin community
Bugpowder: I have done a LOT of betting on betsofbitco.in
Bugpowder: I have tried the strategy of betting on BOTH sides of my event just to get the bet size big enough
mircea_popescu: i was gonna say, with parimutuel you can always take both sides
Bugpowder: cause usually, if you bet big on one side, you get fucked.
mircea_popescu: you can make decent money as a bookie on the system as it is, if you actually know odds.
Bugpowder: As an alternative model, you pull the football game spread off some vegas site, take any bets that come on either side, and adjust the vig to encourage betting on the side that isn't getting hit as hard. Then the bet size is decoupled from the odds.
Bugpowder: This only works if you are doing events that have a spread
mircea_popescu: but suppose the event is 7:2 to buy , 1:3 to sell (just random numbers)
Dr-G: where should I buy stocks?
Dr-G: satoshi dice for example
Bugpowder: naw. The spread in the seahawks-skins game was +3.5 for seahawks.
Dr-G: just wanna have a few
Dr-G: oh you're the MPE something guy, your stuff is cool but too complicated for me ;)
Bugpowder: so if the seahawks score at least 4 points more than skins, you win the bet
mircea_popescu: you can try coinbr.com, or else bitfunder has a passthrough
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder im really useless with sports betting, i never did it nor do i much care about sports
Bugpowder: then you charge 110btc to bet on either side, and if you win you get your bet + 100 back.
mircea_popescu: but im just saying, you can put 50/30 btc in, then wait for other bettors to contribute theior own then make a final bet to adjust to reasonable rate either way
Bugpowder: if people keep banging on one side, you adjust the vig, i.e. you charge 150 to win 100 on the side with too much action
Bugpowder: If it gets really bad, you move the spread to a new number, i.e. -5.5
Bugpowder: This is the way it works, and it works very well
Bugpowder: I am actually amazed that nobody has built this site.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1137 @ 0.0046669 = 5.3063 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 563 @ 0.00467507 = 2.6321 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1032 @ 0.00467507 = 4.8247 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 644 @ 0.00477874 = 3.0775 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: anyway, I think the betsofbitco.in model is flawed for the most popular topic of betting, sports, and only works for certain long-dated events with a lot of ebb and flow to the apparent odds, that juice the bet value. When there is a site that does Vegas style odds making, I'm going all in in that IPO.
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1day: 0.00430002 / 0.00449038 / 0.00477874 (84890 shares, 381.19 BTC), 30day: 0.0014 / 0.00333557 / 0.0048 (13854329 shares, 46,212.15 BTC)
mircea_popescu: it'd seem the value of that model strictly depends on the quality of the bookie.
Dr-G: s.dice is worth 500k btc right now ^^
Dr-G: minus the 250 btc I robbed :P
Bugpowder: the only way to win long term is to take the winnings and buy the stock :-P
mircea_popescu: "i won 16btc and promptly turned around and bought the stock"
Dr-G: still a better transaction than that pizza transaction
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1200 @ 0.00064105 = 0.7693 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10027 @ 0.00064106 = 6.4279 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2315 @ 0.00064366 = 1.4901 BTC [+]
Namworld: Hey, at the time, a measly 10 000 BTC for a pizza was an amazing deal on such gastronomy food.
pigeons: yeah i don't get the ridicule either
pigeons: without being willing to accept bitcoins for pizza, we never would have been able to trade anything for bitcoins
pigeons: i would have happily given that many for pizza too, but no one else was willing to take them for something valuable like pizza
Bugpowder: one way of measuring you value in science is to ask, if I never existed, how far would it have set back the field, in terms of time.
pigeons: that's why first thing i did with the time machine was kill Bugpowder's grandpa
Bugpowder: if the bitcoin pizza man never existed, we would have been set back a few days
pigeons: i hope you mean days in bitcoin time, cause it would have been more than that, by far
Bugpowder: how long before another man ordered a pizza
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller it was possibly the first time an item of value was exchanged for this internet funny nonsense
pigeons: maybe would have been never
pigeons: but certainly wasn't necessarily a few days imminent
kakobrekla: neighbour is leaving for work and im still up
kakobrekla: i was trying to get back to a normal pace
thestringpuller: kakobrekla: you are a hacker there is no normal circadian rythym for us
Ukto: thestringpuller: k, going back to the garage to try to find the discs again
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 224 @ 0.00466586 = 1.0452 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2584 @ 0.00466586 = 12.0566 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 600 @ 0.00474291 = 2.8457 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1200 @ 0.00474292 = 5.6915 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1456 @ 0.00477874 = 6.9578 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 9160 @ 0.0047888 = 43.8654 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C110T] 645 @ 0.30139779 = 194.4016 BTC [+]
gladoscc: Ukto: what's the current fee for listing a new asset on bitfunder?
Ukto: I am extending the 3btc thru jan at least
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1648 @ 0.0047888 = 7.8919 BTC [+]
Ukto: 1... BILLIONG (pinkeys) bitcoins
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 4250 @ 0.0047888 = 20.3524 BTC [+]
Ukto: what was the original deal?
Ukto: i am concerned about disc.. 2
Ukto: i can faintly see some light circular scratches
Ukto: but being black bottom
Ukto: its not enough to feel with a fingernail
Ukto: but if you run your nail back and forth over it, it does make a slight noise :/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8050 @ 0.0006405 = 5.156 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1day: 0.00430002 / 0.00455893 / 0.0047888 (99863 shares, 455.27 BTC), 30day: 0.0014 / 0.00333775 / 0.0048 (13875451 shares, 46,312.85 BTC)
Namworld: I can't freakin view it, no credit as ever...
Namworld: I never ever have darn credits.
Namworld: but I haven't been able to read your blog in months, except right after that time you gave me 100 free credit.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3900 @ 0.0047888 = 18.6763 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2900 @ 0.0047888 = 13.8875 BTC [+]
Dr-G: we need bitcoin mania 2.0
Namworld: The rest was loaned to Amazingrando as per motion in exchange of hashing, until such day we could buy some ASIC rig.
TradeFortress: So, there has being no dividends from when GLBSE shut down to now?
Namworld: Amazingrando isn't very active. Just moved his Bitbond to cryptostock and nothing then.
Namworld: Was pretty much: "My mining doesn't cover eletricity fees anymore, so I'll stop paying divs. See you when ASICs ship."
Namworld: Well I guess the only people happy are BTC-BOND holders.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10599 @ 0.00064366 = 6.8222 BTC [+]
Namworld: Well, I just updated my bitcointalk.org signature, mircea
Namworld: Since I'm now working on both + BitVPS is on MPEx, seems appropriate.
Namworld: Those ad slots seems a bit expensive tho.
Namworld: We've put a tracking link and going to see if it gets any results.
mircea_popescu: last i checked (maybe a year ago ?) they were horrible.
Namworld: Well now they're at 100 - 130k weekly impressions.
mircea_popescu: "As for Quentin, he has other clients and has, from what I was briefly told, been busy filling in for other attorneys in the office while they were away. I'm hoping to speak with him today to get an updated timeline for the verified claims lists and terms of service for the VPS site."
gigavps: mircea_popescu what doesn't sound good about it, we are still dealing with holiday issues, nbd
mircea_popescu: it sounds to me like the lawyer guy is getting drowned in drama and is inches away from throwing his hands up at the entire thing.
mircea_popescu: because forumer time is not worth money and lawyer time is.
gigavps: nothing to worry about there
gigavps: not like you care since you aren't claiming anyway
gigavps: there are about 8 ppl crying in the gigamining thread, the rest are emailing me, being polite, and working through this thing with me
mircea_popescu: i don't care other than in the vague macro sense that it'd be best if this actually works as opposed to not working.
gigavps: i've done everything i've said i'd do, and as i've said, i'm waiting on Quentin
mircea_popescu: bah. so this guy made FOUR deposits before actually hitting one right.
topace: mircea_popescu: haha hope it wasnt me!? mine have all been right i think (and thanks for just processing my 80BTC deposit)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00469227 = 4.6923 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 230 @ 0.00469226 = 1.0792 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1720 @ 0.00467397 = 8.0392 BTC [-]
JWU_42: mircea_popescu: are you involved in bitbet.us
JWU_42: MPOE-PR posted something about the site in the YABMC thread
JWU_42: didn't know the site existed ;)
mircea_popescu: if i wanted to become a bookie i think i'd have done it by now tho
kakobrekla: JWU42>PS - 7 total bets - perhaps an insufficiently small sample size.
jcpham: i was thinking of a sports bet
jcpham: but the game is today :(
jcpham: did you get my last message mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: well see, it's impossible for me to check seeing how i don't know whats "last" in your context :)
jcpham: mr. bloggerman said get in touch
jcpham: via forum and/or skype
mircea_popescu: so! the "business idea" in share "investing" is to create market inefficiencies
mircea_popescu: whereby prices to artificially pop on lack of liquidity ?
jcpham: i bet it is a link to bitcointalk?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2250 @ 0.00467792 = 10.5253 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00467398 = 4.674 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 350 @ 0.00467397 = 1.6359 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 770 @ 0.00467397 = 3.599 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3000 @ 0.00464344 = 13.9303 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 800 @ 0.00460652 = 3.6852 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 194 @ 0.0045735 = 0.8873 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 400 @ 0.00456159 = 1.8246 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 4000 @ 0.00449163 = 17.9665 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 4000 @ 0.00448487 = 17.9395 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00444001 = 4.44 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3200 @ 0.00443811 = 14.202 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 4800 @ 0.00441955 = 21.2138 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3148 @ 0.00441386 = 13.8948 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 729 @ 0.004312 = 3.1434 BTC [-]
jcpham: what is havelock investments
jcpham: i was checking out their site
topace: jcpham: i run havelock investments
jcpham: it has a mutual fund feel
topace: started as our mining fund
topace: then when we looked at exchanges to list our fund on, i couldnt find a decent one
jcpham: the exchange is private?
topace: so for a while, the only security listed on my exchange, was our own mining fund
topace: mircea_popescu: ~2000BTC/day volume, not huge, but pretty good since i only deal with canadians :p
mircea_popescu: you and dt should form amalgamated american bitcoin traders
topace: Havelock passthru now has 2% of all SDICE shares that have been released (200,000 of 10,000,000)
mircea_popescu: i guess if we count pt's as institutional investors that takes us to about .7% total
smickles: < topace> Havelock passthru now has 2% of all SDICE shares that have been released (200,000 of 10,000,000) << heh, sounds like I finally have some competition
smickles: I'm sure I offer a better deal than havelock
topace: i did 200,000 in 2 days :p lol
topace: couldnt keep my public offerings open they kept selling out
topace: smickles: i run havelock investmetns
smickles: topace: well, you can probably top me, I don't have a 'web presence' for what I do
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3000 @ 0.00457769 = 13.7331 BTC [+]
topace: yea :p with teh success of the SDICE passthru i was considering doing a MPOE passthru as well :p not sure if it'd be as susccessful though
topace: competition is a good thing :)
mircea_popescu: i imagine Ukto is prolly going to do something like that too
kakobrekla: Ukto will just code a new bbet or smth
smickles: I'm quite entertained by texts sent to me by accident
smickles: "Randy is going to call you in a minute with an update"
jcpham: coinabul is on the radio
topace: why's there such high bids for S.BBET ?
kakobrekla: ;;later tell namworld PS, somebody please tell bitvps to fix their SSL certificate, I can't pay my bill with them until they do this. If they don't get their act together right-quick I'm dropping them from the signcryption network. I've been pestering them about this for two weeks now and am pretty unimpressed with the lack of any sort of response.
topace: so if there's higher bids than the IPO price, what happens? it just takes the highest and works down?
smickles: i remember mircea_popescu saying that mpex is socialist in order matching
smickles: it's not who placed the order first, if there are multiple orders which would match, they split it
smickles: working off that likely flawed memory, all the bids @ or above the first block would proportionally split the first block
smickles: and then all bids @ or above the second block proportionally split that one, and so on
kakobrekla: im low on food gotta run to the store bbl
smickles: oh my, I just realized, when I'm writing a program, i tend to smoke in place of sleeping
jcpham: if i fixate on a task, i find it difficult to sleep
jcpham: so i tend to not fixate on any one task for too long
kakobrekla: yeah after the gpg contract things went back to normal!
jurov: i had a meeting. eve true coders have meetings
jurov: kakobrekla, which asset?
jurov: no cigar. depth['S'] is undefined :/
topace: whats the "4`085`852` shares" on the S.DICE volume graph?
topace: volume over the period of the graph? (whatever that is?)
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1day: 0.004312 / 0.00461387 / 0.0047888 (116066 shares, 535.51 BTC), 30day: 0.0014 / 0.00334271 / 0.0048 (13760569 shares, 45,997.67 BTC)
topace: would be nice if numbers made sense :p
jurov: nothing to die for
Bugpowder: topace, its the max daily volume for the month
topace: Buglouse: ahh! thanks :)
topace: so that big red bar on the volume chart
jurov: also S.BVPS... but you need to select a month to see anything
kakobrekla: nothing in my opera for bvps and month
jurov: not surprising as it's code form google
jurov: i remember many more smaller orders for s.bbet, what happened?
jurov: mpex coalesced them for display?
jurov: trade will start jan 11 00:00 or 24:00 ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00063901 = 6.3901 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12000 @ 0.000639 = 7.668 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3847 @ 0.00063899 = 2.4582 BTC [-]
jurov: hehe ok. i mean it like 24:00 is coming after 23:59
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C100T] 825 @ 0.36111486 = 297.9198 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00445174 = 4.4517 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 850 @ 0.00445174 = 3.784 BTC [-]
jurov: <smickles> it's not who placed the order first, if there are multiple orders which would match, they split it
mircea_popescu: dude, from what i recall the conversation was that mpex shouldn't be splitting them
jurov: thanks. for a moment my hair has risen dramatically
jurov: when i imagined what would that do with coinbr
jurov: i must be wary of smickles in the future
jurov: if he uses such methods to disturb the competition
gribble: smickles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 hour, 5 minutes, and 16 seconds ago: <smickles> oh my, I just realized, when I'm writing a program, i tend to smoke in place of sleeping
jurov: don't support smoking. use coinbr
mircea_popescu: i have no idea why people'd want price conflict anyway.
gribble: thestringpuller was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 minutes and 46 seconds ago: <thestringpuller> ;;seen smickles
smickles: heh, jurov, I did start that statement with something about how I thought it was based of flawed assumptions
mircea_popescu: "For the past few days, I am disturbed, greatly worried, and upset about my ruthless mistake of having sex with my girlfriend. I'm a believer in Christ and my girlfriend is not. "
smickles: so that's why usagi went bonkers
mircea_popescu: "and my girlfriend turns out to not be very good in the sack" fifh.
mircea_popescu: You raised a number of good issues and hopefully I'll be able to address most of them.
mircea_popescu: “Our findings demonstrate that infidelity and number of sexual partners are both under moderate genetic influence (41% and 38% heritable, respectively) and the genetic correlation between these two traits is strong (47%).”
jcpham: that article is missing the word bitcoin
jcpham: otherwise it reads like a bitcointalk post
mircea_popescu: must be really hard to be anonymous when your name actually is tor.
Bugpowder: what time of the day does the bitbet betting cutoff take place?
mircea_popescu: i never heard of a half hour spirited bout of bank withdrawals
Bugpowder: If betting ends on Jan 12th, when does that occur?
jcpham: it reads like the bitcoin magazine debacle
jcpham: where vladimir was billing them for emails
Bugpowder: like start of the day or end of day midnight GMT
mircea_popescu: jcpham i dunno why people got so excited. if i were involved with that caliber of idiots i'd be billing 10 btc an hour too.
jcpham: he did keep good records
kakobrekla: wait i might have given you wrong info
Bugpowder: because the time decay to zero will kill late betting
jcpham: yes allow 12 hour bets so i can take money from chumps
Bugpowder: I want to set the resolution date later than the event
Bugpowder: so that event decay is only to ~70% of starting value
kakobrekla: curretly decay is from start to the time when the betting stops not the resolution date
Bugpowder: is it possible to have a user selected decay rate?
kakobrekla: it was planed at the begining but thrown out later on
Bugpowder: It is absolutely necessary if you want there to be serious betting volumen
Bugpowder: most people want to bet close to event
Bugpowder: but wont if they are getting 1:10 odds
Bugpowder: because they are late to the party
kakobrekla: odds are the same, weight is different
Bugpowder: there is some marginal utility for a decay
kakobrekla: different decay would be 'more apropriate' perhaps
Bugpowder: if the odds are properly expressed
mircea_popescu: no seriously, user-suggestable decay will prolly be in gold
Bugpowder: decay is not used in ANY real wagering site
Bugpowder: only the failure that is betsofbitcoin
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder the main problem is that iots so hard to user-specify
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18958 @ 0.00063757 = 12.0871 BTC [-]
jcpham: did you guys know bit-pay has an invoice tool?
jcpham: i've been wanting to play with it
Bugpowder: Decay only makes sense for events like "BFL will ship by x date"
Bugpowder: it does not make sense for "Broncos will beat Ravens on Saturday"
mircea_popescu: (if you bet this week before bronco star kills itself)
mircea_popescu: but certainly the linear decay makes no sense in most such situations
mircea_popescu: as in, it's a pretty dumb macro attempt to handle discrete events
Bugpowder: Yes, a much less steep slope would be good for those circumstances
Bugpowder: for binary events with a fixed event time
mircea_popescu: final/gold/retail/2.0/we you wanna call it is scheduled for february sometime
Bugpowder: anyway. I'm going to hold off placing up my props until that is implemented. Ready to drop 100BTC to seed the site with some good sports bets.
mircea_popescu: it's just, it's something that can benefit from a little marketplace input
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 600 @ 0.00436997 = 2.622 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 173 @ 0.00457769 = 0.7919 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: cutoff really should be able to go to 1 day before the event
Bugpowder: 70% of the action come day before an event.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2542 @ 0.00063757 = 1.6207 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8100 @ 0.00063747 = 5.1635 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5550 @ 0.00063698 = 3.5352 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12858 @ 0.00063603 = 8.1781 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: jcpham left that tor dood a comment. real curious if he publishes it.
jcpham: you didn't call him a moron did you?
mircea_popescu: This write-up is so very… noobish I have serious doubts you have any business in business.
mircea_popescu: And you claim to be teaching others “entrepreneurship” ?! Really ? Ridiculous. Then again I guess this is how academia became irrelevant in the marketplace, by hiring complete noobs to be “teaching”.
mircea_popescu: Seriously, stick to what you know and understand. Boardrooms aren’t for everyone.
mircea_popescu: i didn't call him a moron literally because he'd not have comprehended how true it is.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2400 @ 0.00446786 = 10.7229 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 100 @ 0.00446786 = 0.4468 BTC [-]
jcpham: that article is popular on the ycombinator scene today
jcpham: there are a couple aggregate news sources i follow daily if i have the time
mircea_popescu: young-ish sorta out of shape pasty ass jew today can either go into the stand-up comedy scene or the start-up comedy scene
jcpham: the HN stuff is usually hilarity
jcpham: alot of the VC's thoughts and stuff
jcpham: ^ also grabbed my attention today
jcpham: pigeons will pretend to be alady
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4653 @ 0.00063851 = 2.971 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3917 @ 0.00064933 = 2.5434 BTC [+]
topace: would anyone object if i wrote a Havelock bot to output stuff here using identical format to assbot ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2330 @ 0.00065144 = 1.5179 BTC [+]
topace: dub: for trades on www.havelockinvestments.com
dub: oic, check with kakobrekla
topace: mircea_popescu: that would work too, how do i do that ?
topace: that would be ideal :)
topace: kakobrekla: you there? can you let me know how to interface with assbot ?
jcpham: that last line was classic
dub: topace: buy it flowers and a bottle of wine
gribble: Ukto was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 11 hours, 19 minutes, and 20 seconds ago: <Ukto> and someone has to find all my secrets
dub: alternatively rophynol
jcpham: r-o-o-f-i-e-s for assbot
jcpham: working title for my sci-fi porno
topace: who | grep -i assbot | date; cd ~; unzip; touch; strip; finger; mount; gasp; yes; uptime; umount; sleep
jcpham: umount; sleep is my favorite part
Ukto: yeah. what happened to ukto
jcpham: Diablo-D3 how is DMC coming along?
jcpham: when can i tour the datacenter
Diablo-D3: Ukto: I thought you wanted the list
Ukto: thestringpuller: did you get my msgs abou tit?
Ukto: [12:45] <mircea_popescu> neither jurov nor ukto are true coders < -- damn straight. and dont you forget it.
Ukto: [12:23] <mircea_popescu> i imagine Ukto is prolly going to do something like that too & [12:24] <kakobrekla> Ukto will just code a new bbet or smth <-- ... .. *whisltes....* ... >,>
Ukto: [23:55] <Ukto> what was the original deal? 5btc?
Ukto: althought, i am concerned about disc.. 2
Ukto: i can faintly see some light circular scratches. but being black bottom, its shiney as hell, if you run your nail back and forth over it, it does make a slight noise :/
jurov: put it into gramophone then
mircea_popescu: I'm hoping for a site to pop up with floating rates the way intrade used to work.
Ukto: never even heard of it
Ukto: not sure where the ps1 is
Ukto: but I do have a p2 and a 1st gen ps3
Ukto: should all have support I think
Ukto: until i have beat the game
Ukto: ill see if I can test it late tonight when the kids get to bed and i can hook thign sto the tv without 1mil questions
Bugpowder: mircea_popescu I posted some sports stuff. We will see how the decay works.
Bugpowder: how long does it take for the bet values to update?
mircea_popescu: but i guess there may be second-level delays due to chain parsing etc
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1day: 0.004312 / 0.00461688 / 0.0047888 (108318 shares, 500.09 BTC), 30day: 0.0014 / 0.00334312 / 0.0048 (13765692 shares, 46,020.49 BTC)
mircea_popescu: this is pretty good tho, bitbet seems stuck on 100 btc bet a day
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 13.51931, Best ask: 13.53998, Bid-ask spread: 0.02067, Last trade: 13.53998, 24 hour volume: 21012.52240497, 24 hour low: 13.40400, 24 hour high: 13.54999, 24 hour vwap: 13.49166
Bugpowder: I think the site can be a success with the right exposure and the right audience with enough coins and interest in the propositions
mircea_popescu: i guess i could do two-point linear three point polynomial four point spline
mircea_popescu: except i doubt there's five ppl in btc who could read and comprehend the faq for that in one pass.
Bugpowder: actually linear is probably ok for all events
Bugpowder: just have a selectable slope, i.e. final decay point
Bugpowder: 0 for events that could be triggered at any time (ie earthquake)
Bugpowder: I can see the utitility for things like earthwuake
Bugpowder: 85,000 for binary events taht occur once at a known time (sporting event)
Bugpowder: 85,000 / 2^(n-1) for sporting tournaments where n is the number of rounds and you are betting on the winner (maybe)
PsychoticBoy: 1 day shipping , new record, got the tracking code
PsychoticBoy: had one ordered on ebay before contacting BFL though
jcpham: i say a BFL single on ebay starting at 600 the other day
jcpham: why i was on ebay i shudder to remember
jcpham: <dub> don't make obama fire a tornado at you
PsychoticBoy: I oredered a new PSU, send them an email yesterday and they offered a new PSU for free and its already in the mail
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P140T] 96 @ 0.13595559 = 13.0517 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 13.50000, Best ask: 13.54467, Bid-ask spread: 0.04467, Last trade: 13.54467, 24 hour volume: 23705.29840652, 24 hour low: 13.40400, 24 hour high: 13.58900, 24 hour vwap: 13.49859
mircea_popescu: it occurs to me, the logical thing would be for someone with little capital but a journalism degree to start a bitcoin financials blog
mircea_popescu: just the tips he can pick up idling in this chan are enough to guarantee success.
Bugpowder: kalkobrekla was wrong about the bet closing time
dub: mircea_popescu: last I checked OneFixt was making fuck all doing that
dub: mircea_popescu: via IRC tho, not blawg
Bugpowder: " <Bugpowder> like start of the day or end of day midnight GMT [15:03] <Bugpowder> ? [15:03] <Bugpowder> 00:00 or 24:00 :) [15:04] <kakobrekla> end"
Bugpowder: actually it looks like its start of day, based on the cutoff times on the website.
Bugpowder: well atlanta is actually favored 3:2
Anduck: mircea_popescu: why not bet title in the uri?
kakobrekla: umm yeah bugpowder i checked b4 as i said
kakobrekla: but i forgot to tell you looks like its the start of that day that ends the bet
Anduck: mircea_popescu: fix it
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla ya but the idea is to not have to type it out
mircea_popescu: when i rightclick on a bet, i wanna copy the named url
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00471151 = 4.7115 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1823 @ 0.00471152 = 8.5891 BTC [+]
Anduck: u could see the bet from the URI itself!!!
Anduck: u dont need to open the link
Anduck: to see what the bet is for
kakobrekla: cause someone will want that juice in the url
mircea_popescu: Anduck you know, for this very valuable obvious observation you get 1 btc
mircea_popescu: pick a bet, put an addy in, paste where the btc should go and i'll send it
Anduck: mircea_popescu: thank you, i'll pick one! haha
Anduck: no way gavin is giving up yet
Anduck: accidently gave u my own address lol
Anduck: thanks, sent it to bet addr now
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2469 @ 0.00470145 = 11.6079 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C100T] 300 @ 0.36086651 = 108.26 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C120T] 800 @ 0.24098641 = 192.7891 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C110T] 500 @ 0.2969264 = 148.4632 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: 19:29.44 ( kakobrekla ) ;;later tell namworld PS, somebody please tell bitvps to fix their SSL certificate, I can't pay my bill with them until they do this. If they don't get their act together right-quick I'm dropping them from the signcryption network. I've been pestering them about this for two weeks now and am pretty unimpressed with the lack of any sort of response.
kakobrekla: 19:29.45 ( gribble ) The operation succeeded.
Ukto: this looks awfully familiar to another site i recently linked you
Ukto: is this the same site just redone ?
Ukto: or a diff site knocking them off
Ukto: i wann say it was called bitbet
Ukto: it worked teh exact same way
Ukto: too lazy to dig thru logs
kakobrekla: the only one that has simmilar system is betsofbitcoin
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00063604 = 6.3604 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6200 @ 0.00063603 = 3.9434 BTC [-]
Namworld: I never read the gribble window =/
Namworld: When I log in, I get auto-authed
Namworld: so the window flash anyway and I don't manually check it.
Namworld: I just assume it's my usual authing.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5900 @ 0.00064339 = 3.796 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00065038 = 6.5038 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 900 @ 0.00065039 = 0.5854 BTC [+]
Namworld: Why do you ask me to tell BitVPS something? I was not aware BitVPS was a person.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 901 @ 0.00463113 = 4.1726 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 530 @ 0.00463113 = 2.4545 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 550 @ 0.00464578 = 2.5552 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 719 @ 0.00471152 = 3.3876 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3642 @ 0.00063603 = 2.3164 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3435 @ 0.0006352 = 2.1819 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2397 @ 0.00464456 = 11.133 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22200 @ 0.00065039 = 14.4387 BTC [+]
PeterL: does S.MPOE or s.dice have a higher market cap?
pigeons: stupid hotel dns taking me to Midwest Photo EXchange
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1day: 0.0006352 / 0.00064186 / 0.00065144 (256905 shares, 164.90 BTC), 30day: 0.0005119 / 0.00060777 / 0.00066 (53942947 shares, 32,784.98 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1day: 0.004312 / 0.00463033 / 0.0047888 (110857 shares, 513.30 BTC), 30day: 0.0014 / 0.00334413 / 0.0048 (13774781 shares, 46,064.74 BTC)
Anduck: pigeons: try mpex.co, not com
pigeons: yeah tell my browser not to try .com when my dns doesnt answer for .co
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1996 @ 0.00464456 = 9.2705 BTC [-]
Anduck: then use polimedia.us/bitcoin/mpex.php
pigeons: which i don't get a dns response for
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.0046095 = 4.6095 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1100 @ 0.00460951 = 5.0705 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1234 @ 0.00460951 = 5.6881 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 158 @ 0.00471152 = 0.7444 BTC [+]
Namworld: Just wondering if it was you. I recall seeing you around the forums.
Namworld: This be a small community indeed.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10588 @ 0.00065038 = 6.8862 BTC [-]
Ukto: I was actually just thinking about contacting you
mircea_popescu: ok, so if anyone interested, bitbet advertising seems like a decent revenue stream too.
mircea_popescu: it works on a rotator model whereby people can send btc and figure proportionally with the total paid.
mircea_popescu: all revenue goes to 1CnqxD4NnRsukc1Ni2oZR3ERc2g2WVnqw so it can be easily audited
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1650 @ 0.00473622 = 7.8148 BTC [+]
pigeons: everything's working now, .ws too
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9412 @ 0.00065038 = 6.1214 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3070 @ 0.00065039 = 1.9967 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9918 @ 0.00065196 = 6.4661 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C130T] 54 @ 0.192 = 10.368 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C130T] 296 @ 0.19427821 = 57.5064 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00478879 = 4.7888 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1500 @ 0.0047888 = 7.1832 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 350 @ 0.00473622 = 1.6577 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 546 @ 0.00473621 = 2.586 BTC [-]
jcpham: you saw that touchdown?
jcpham: lacy walked in with the first td\
dub: after 25 ass slaps and only 487 minutes of advertising
jcpham: ncaa used to not be so bad
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 761 @ 0.00472911 = 3.5989 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00064354 = 3.2177 BTC [-]
jcpham: i may have to get off irc
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20392 @ 0.00064354 = 13.1231 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00064354 = 6.0493 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: dub i bet you the crack you buy for tide has tide in it.
abracadabra: if they review that and still call it a fumble
jcpham: i want t o design a sports book so bad
jcpham: that has vegas odds and such
jcpham: i just gave someone a million dollar idea
pigeons: oh shit, a million dollar idea? i've been waiting for one of those
pigeons: do dawg i heard you like tide in your crack
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 900 @ 0.00467825 = 4.2104 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1day: 0.004312 / 0.00464061 / 0.0047888 (117830 shares, 546.80 BTC), 30day: 0.0014 / 0.00334532 / 0.0048 (13784976 shares, 46,115.26 BTC)
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 13.59378, Best ask: 13.63974, Bid-ask spread: 0.04596, Last trade: 13.59377, 24 hour volume: 31951.91670253, 24 hour low: 13.40400, 24 hour high: 13.72999, 24 hour vwap: 13.53367
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12700 @ 0.00064354 = 8.173 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2000 @ 0.00457186 = 9.1437 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 242 @ 0.00457185 = 1.1064 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: as I said.... the people who say the most bullshit things get the most press, for a while
Bugpowder: The gov should just start mining coins
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1944 @ 0.0046308 = 9.0023 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 13.63401, Best ask: 13.64997, Bid-ask spread: 0.01596, Last trade: 13.63401, 24 hour volume: 31774.26076992, 24 hour low: 13.40400, 24 hour high: 13.72999, 24 hour vwap: 13.53397
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2450 @ 0.00460593 = 11.2845 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1346 @ 0.00457186 = 6.1537 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: Rep. Jerrold Nadler, D-N.Y., told Capital New York that the "out of the ordinary" idea could actually work.
mircea_popescu: "I'm being absolutely serious," he said. "It sounds silly, but it's absolutely legal."
mircea_popescu: dude... legal and works are motherfucking worlds apart
mircea_popescu: the best thing the us could do right now is simply have everyone everyone in washington that ever worked for the govt round up and shot
Bugpowder: just some ass that wants his name in print
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder no see, he;'s not just some ass, he's an elected rep.
mircea_popescu: "The likelihood of this happening is about as likely as the checkers scenario. But the argument in its favor is that minting a trillion-dollar coin is a commensurately ridiculous response to Congress refusing to pay debts it has already accumulated. "
mircea_popescu: this ain't at all the case. congress refusal to lift the ceiling for the 100th time is pretty much the only sane thing going on atm.
mircea_popescu: and specifically it was NOT congress that accumulated any debt. it was the obama lackeys
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1256 @ 0.0046308 = 5.8163 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.00465993 = 2.33 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: he has awife, she can work, i'd do 10 bux for a blowjob.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 44 @ 0.00467825 = 0.2058 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 13.68126, Best ask: 13.69898, Bid-ask spread: 0.01772, Last trade: 13.69899, 24 hour volume: 33966.24160877, 24 hour low: 13.40400, 24 hour high: 13.72999, 24 hour vwap: 13.54459
Bugpowder: These are the highest sports bets on betsofbitcoin
Bugpowder: this is the middle of the NFL playoffs
Bugpowder: there is over 1BB bet on the playoffs
mircea_popescu: tho, two years ago bitcoin couldn't hardly buy a pizza, so, it's a curve.
Bugpowder: betsofbitcoin had more NFL bets last year
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 13.68126, Best ask: 13.68501, Bid-ask spread: 0.00375, Last trade: 13.68125, 24 hour volume: 35430.52112454, 24 hour low: 13.40400, 24 hour high: 13.72999, 24 hour vwap: 13.55233
Bugpowder: since it has been goin up at least
Bugpowder: thats well above the recent average over a timescale of more than 2-3 hours
Bugpowder: now we just need the S.DICE whales to come back and shit will be rockin
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 13.63591, Best ask: 13.70999, Bid-ask spread: 0.07408, Last trade: 13.63590, 24 hour volume: 36239.15878320, 24 hour low: 13.40400, 24 hour high: 13.72999, 24 hour vwap: 13.55595
Bugpowder: Also... approaching the Dec 14th high
Bugpowder: after that, its a post-pirate high
Bugpowder: And that was basically an interday high
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11000 @ 0.00064312 = 7.0743 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5517 @ 0.00064311 = 3.548 BTC [-]
Dr-X: and hopefully the whale loses, I want dividends
Dr-X: there are no profits yet, revenue has been low, except me losing some coins :P
Bugpowder: its usually a week between appearances
Dr-X: I just dumped my shares on bitfunder, meh :P
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4731 @ 0.00064354 = 3.0446 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26769 @ 0.00064497 = 17.2652 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 802 @ 0.00461807 = 3.7037 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 198 @ 0.00457186 = 0.9052 BTC [-]
Dr-X: 1.9% profit is too low, stock price too high, price will fall when price to dollar goes up I think, I just had too many... :P
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3150 @ 0.00464989 = 14.6472 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 456 @ 0.00467825 = 2.1333 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 771 @ 0.00468222 = 3.61 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 5250 @ 0.0046881 = 24.6125 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 373 @ 0.00469803 = 1.7524 BTC [+]
gribble: Current Blocks: 215664 | Current Difficulty: 2979636.6169381 | Next Difficulty At Block: 215711 | Next Difficulty In: 47 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 7 hours, 22 minutes, and 35 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 3242850.21341859 | Estimated Percent Change: 8.83374821561
Dr-X: who wants to see me cry?
Dr-X: 20.01337666 WIN 39.16567812 22359 no one good :P
Dr-X: I basically just robbed myself
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 956 @ 0.00457186 = 4.3707 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1208 @ 0.00457185 = 5.5228 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1036 @ 0.00456935 = 4.7338 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 864 @ 0.00456935 = 3.9479 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 600 @ 0.00454441 = 2.7266 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 436 @ 0.00453597 = 1.9777 BTC [-]
Dr-X: 439.56800000 LOSE 2.19734000 38552
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 564 @ 0.00457522 = 2.5804 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1833 @ 0.00064311 = 1.1788 BTC [-]
leotreasure: anybody lost money or bitcoins in Crypto X Change on here?
jcpham: i also have never used them
jcpham: that's one moneth's mortgage
jcpham: 3300 might irritate me
jcpham: i live at the very top of a house of cards
mircea_popescu: you have no business keeping too much money on "exchanges"
mircea_popescu: jcpham now why'd you do that ? houses of cards are dafty.
jcpham: my whole country and culture does it
Dr-X: he could go to a country where suicide is covered by life insurance
Dr-X: in germany suicide is covered after 3 years, before that only if you're crazy
kakobrekla: the logo doesnt go over the banner anymore, no.
mircea_popescu: i kinda liked it myself, but... yeah. nothing to be done.
kakobrekla: to bet "Yes" on "Bitcoin below 13.00$ before January 15th, 2013 ".
kakobrekla: Your bet will appear in the confirmed bets list shortly after 1st confirmation.
Dr-X: Can I bet there without making an account?
Dr-X: cool, checking out the bets. I think I'm calling my relatives from the andromeda galaxy to visit me soon.
mircea_popescu: one day some of us were chatting and this girl said about her uncle or w/e that they're relatively related.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 550 @ 0.00471893 = 2.5954 BTC [+]
Dr-X: sort for market size would be nice
Dr-X: to see where's the money at
kakobrekla: i will add order by bets sum in teh order by field in the browse soonish
Dr-X: thx, yeah was searching for that ;)
kakobrekla: been buged about this for a couple of times now
Dr-X: yeah cool, just made a bet
Dr-X: yeah, just made more. I think I gave you 0.2 for the lulz :P
kakobrekla: submit a suggestion for a bet if you come up with something fresh
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1day: 0.004312 / 0.0046243 / 0.0047888 (134087 shares, 620.06 BTC), 30day: 0.0014 / 0.00334889 / 0.0048 (13823119 shares, 46,292.13 BTC)
Dr-X: australian open is soon, so maybe some tennis?
kakobrekla: that could work, especialy if its womens playing
Dr-X: 14th to 27th january australian open, but idk if you want too many sport bets
Dr-X: from what I see sport bets work better than those sily bets ;)
kakobrekla: perhaps tennis will get some traction too
Dr-X: yeah tennis is nice to bet on
Dr-X: only two outcomes, not like football
Dr-X: but idk how that works out with weigthed bets
kakobrekla: this weight system is getting reviewed
Dr-X: you just bet on both and trade on sport betting sites :P
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder they changed the lucky number thing for better dispersion
Bugpowder: glad they raised max bet to compensate
Bugpowder: I think you can still get some wild swings
Bugpowder: probably the variance goes down about 2-3x
Bugpowder: 414 max at < 1600 is pretty big number
Bugpowder: 414 max at < 16000 is pretty big number
Bugpowder: its the only place with a bankroll big enough for whales
mircea_popescu: <Bugpowder> its the only place with a bankroll big enough for whales << that's what i do.
Dr-X: if you look for ltc dices, the biggest one accepts 50 LTC lol.
Bugpowder: I really set the hook in my friend last night. Now he's thinking of rolling his 401k into self-directed IRA and putting it in bitcoins :)
mircea_popescu: the rationale being that 100k put into btc now will make you "just as rich" as 300k put into btc now.
Dr-X: you can burn your fingers with bitcoin, if you buying them with hard earned money
mircea_popescu: on the other hand, losing all your money is not the same as losing a third.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 712 @ 0.00471893 = 3.3599 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12700 @ 0.00063621 = 8.0799 BTC [-]
Namworld: If he puts it in SD, might not be such a bad deal. SD will probably remain a major Bitcoin betting site for a long time.
Namworld: Hmm... people are really overbidding on BBET.
Namworld: Where will be the cheap blocks D=
Namworld: and who buys 1.8 million BBET =P
Bugpowder: I think he will not roll it all in
Namworld: At that price for BBET, 10 million would cost 2775 BTC. BBET would need to get 277 500 BTC in bets to get that back in fees for dividends...
mircea_popescu: at the rate it;s going atm, it will do that in ~10 years
Bugpowder: Man, my matlab bet optimizer doesn't handle the time decay
Dr-X: and what happens if the bitcoin price in dollar rises? price of the stock goes down?
Namworld: Maybe either BitVPS or Namworld could sponsor an ad on BBET.
mircea_popescu: s,mpoe went up like 3000% while the btc went up like 300% in dollars.
mircea_popescu: Namworld not a bad idea. it's a pay as much as you want 30 days rotator deal.
Dr-X: so you're rich now, congratz :D
mircea_popescu: Dr-X they're purely btc businesses. the dollar don't enter into it.
Namworld: People seem to bet just as much BTC when it's 1$ per BTC or if it's 20$ per BTC
Dr-X: If I have 50 BTC and my goal is more money and more BTC what do I do?
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 13.68386, Best ask: 13.81000, Bid-ask spread: 0.12614, Last trade: 13.81000, 24 hour volume: 41310.15984901, 24 hour low: 13.40400, 24 hour high: 13.81000, 24 hour vwap: 13.59046
Dr-X: yeah, but my fear is that the price of the share will go down, when the price per btc goes up
Namworld: Hmm, than that makes it more USD safe, but you'd earn less if BTC prices rise.
Dr-X: how do value a company, it is worth 500k btc and 6,500,000 dollar (easier to calculate)
Bugpowder: It had $230,000 in profit last month
Namworld: Well I guess you'd value it on revenue.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 750 @ 0.00474805 = 3.561 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1350 @ 0.00476255 = 6.4294 BTC [+]
Dr-X: no growth assumed when the price per btc doubles it will be worth 250k btc and 6,500,000 dollarz?
mircea_popescu: i wonder how many irl businesses are still making profit
Bugpowder: mircea_popescu IRL corporations are actually making shitloads right now
Namworld: At least when excluding small businesses
Bugpowder: Corp balanace sheets are basically all time healthiest
Namworld: I'd be surprised if there was less than a million left...
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder not if you properly account for the currency risk
Bugpowder: except those with financial exposure
Dr-X: they do too, bank stocks are the best right now
Namworld: We're not in a catastrophic recession. Many businesses cut jobs or make less profits.
Namworld: But most shops, corp, etc you see all around still make a profit.
Bugpowder: SP500 earnings are very very high right now
mircea_popescu: no, they won't fail, they just poison the economy with worthless receipts
Dr-X: no they're not bankrupt, they have a shitload of own equity
mircea_popescu: basically this is exactly btc economy cca july : everyone's balance sheets were all time flush with cash
Bugpowder: the banks have a shitload of bad loans that are not being marked to market
Bugpowder: although much has be given to fed at par
mircea_popescu: plenty of dead walking, and it's impossible not to do business with them
mircea_popescu: i mean, i could do it in btc, cause it's small and people are idiots
mircea_popescu: irl i couldn't do it, and so i assume nobody else can either.
Bugpowder: Dude, China is still growing at 7%
mircea_popescu: they're getting riots almost on par with the us by now.
Dr-X: good fiat economy is bad for him :P
Namworld: But in Canada everything is fine.
mircea_popescu: Dr-X thing is i was of the same persuasion before discovering btc.
Dr-X: some bets on satoshi show up 3 times in recent
Namworld: Everything is always fine in Canada... nothing much happening. Just people saying "Eh?" all the time and mooses.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 4000 @ 0.00471893 = 18.8757 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: Compared to the race riots of the 60s and 70s, I think we are doing pretty damn well
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1838 @ 0.00471893 = 8.6734 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 162 @ 0.00469917 = 0.7613 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: Whole Foods opening stores in downtown Detroit yo
Bugpowder: China doing pretty well compared to 70s as well
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10020 @ 0.0006352 = 6.3647 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11600 @ 0.00063517 = 7.368 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00063412 = 6.468 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 280 @ 0.00063358 = 0.1774 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14352 @ 0.00063358 = 9.0931 BTC [-]
Namworld: Possible, my english might not be that good.
midnightmagic: Canada is not fine. The moron voting public voted in Harper based on promises of infrastructure investment which haven't materialized, and now we have a rapidly deteriorating legislature which consists of a bunch of idealogical idiots essentially ignoring the entire canadian public and dismantling some of our most cherished institutions and rights.
midnightmagic: Meanwhile, their own f*cking MPs are DM'ing people like myself and mocking us because we said they were going to be toast in the next election.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 800 @ 0.00469917 = 3.7593 BTC [-]
midnightmagic: I no longer have confidence, since making that statement, that my fellow voters are capable of a rational voting decision.
mircea_popescu: voters never are and never were capable of rational decision. that's not how voting works.
midnightmagic: It has in the past. Additionally, at least some people are voting with their ideals because Elizabeth May made it in.
mircea_popescu: for that matter, women don't pick men rationally either.
midnightmagic: now there's a true f'ing statement if i ever heard one.
mircea_popescu: voting is just a cheap method of statistically obtaining a call from the multitude.
mod6: people usually vote their wallets, and additionally always pick the precived winner before hand. voters don't like to vote for a loser, even if that candidate is more closely aligned with their political philosiphies.
midnightmagic: Here, each vote *used* to deliver some small amount of federal funding to the party voted for as a way of fostering independent third parties.
mircea_popescu: it's not rational, it's quite the opposite. but it has a historical record of conservation success.
midnightmagic: mod6: Apparently some of us do like to vote for a loser. Elizabeth May is in office. :)
midnightmagic: I saw her grand-daughters bare ass at a dinner once. she was wearing a mini-skirt and kept hugging people taller than she is.
mircea_popescu: sure. you can't eat with women you've seen the ass of ?
midnightmagic: Bare asses of unknown other people mean bare asses are sitting on the seats I sit in. It reminded me of how unhygienic being out for dinner is and I like to suspend my disbelief for a little while.
midnightmagic: Also it was classless for the grand-daughter of the leader of one of the main political parties in Canada to dress like that.
mod6: haha, wow. i probably wouldt have given it a second thought. i must be a savage.
midnightmagic: It either meant she was conscious of her dress choice, or not. If she wasn't, then it was uncomfortable watching her accidentally and apparently unconciously bare her ass seven or eight times.
mod6: people are just attention whores these das.
mircea_popescu: you actually care tghat you're sitting where some other chick sat ?!
midnightmagic: If she was, then.. why? Who's her audience? A bunch of stuffy people at a calm atmosphere restaurant where people are coming in from the cold (it was damn cold) and eating soup in their flannels?
mircea_popescu: her audience is simply the world. she's not old enough to know y'all aren't worth the trouble yet.
midnightmagic: Meanwhile, it was like none of the rest of her family noticed that they were making everyone uncomfortable.
midnightmagic: And in the sense that the leader of some political party has raised a family to be essentially unfettered, dress-wise.
mod6: Well, does anyone remember the bush daughters? LOL
mircea_popescu: im sure canada is just as classless as the rest of the world, that's what we have the internet for
midnightmagic: people used to punch out other people for being classless. manners made it around pretty good.
mircea_popescu: nobody punched anybody over class lol. at most they furrowed their brows and whined privately.
midnightmagic: no way. Not much earlier than my grandfather's era, ignoring someone who said hello to you was a punch-out-able offence.
mircea_popescu: but going around punching people is not too classy now is it.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1700 @ 0.00476255 = 8.0963 BTC [+]
midnightmagic: right. black eyes heal. Put the boxing gloves on and get your differences out in the open. Did you ever see the Mickey Mouse club episodes where they put two fighting boys in the ring together and let them duke it out?
mircea_popescu: but i know i resented at that age the implication of equality in this method
midnightmagic: And then my dad started telling me stories of grandpa.. :)
mircea_popescu: i always had my differences resolved by overwhelming forcve.
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: So! Got anything you're actively ranting about lately?
midnightmagic: Woops, "begging the question" doesn't mean "raising the question".
midnightmagic: We'll see what happens to sdice when asic are delivered.. :-)
midnightmagic: Redistribution of hashrate, in some cases to people who care what happens with the blockchain.
mircea_popescu: im not too concerned about miners deciding to ruin bitcoin.
mod6: its kinda like rg said once, if bitcoin can't handle the tx's from SD, then we should pack up and shut off the lights now.
mircea_popescu: the moment bitcoin is not transaction agnostic it might as well be dead.
mod6: but... that doesn't mean there couldn't be a better way to do it either.
midnightmagic: but sdice operates inside the txn space, which makes it easy to filter. If they operated the way everyone else normal does, and stopped doing those stupid micro-txn, then meh.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 300 @ 0.00476255 = 1.4288 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 700 @ 0.0047638 = 3.3347 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1159 @ 0.00476484 = 5.5224 BTC [+]
midnightmagic: it can. but there isn't enough incentive due to concentration of txn value. also, rg isn't really much of an authority :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1841 @ 0.00477167 = 8.7846 BTC [+]
mod6: midnightmagic: no. but he said it, and I agree :)
mircea_popescu: this is just posturing on the strength of the block reward being still large-ish
mod6: just giving credit where due, etc.
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: the value of keeping sdice txn in the blockchain is less than the value of keeping diffuse txn in the blockchain, including mixnets btw.
mircea_popescu: nobody's to evaluate the value of keeping a tx in the blockchain
mircea_popescu: but you're welcome to establish it through experience if simple theory doesn't cut it for ya.
midnightmagic: the exact standard has fees, and the code has anti-dust-spam exceptions in it. satoshi foresaw operations like sdice.
mod6: *whew* almost forgot that mtdew in the freezer
mircea_popescu: i guess at some point the split between the people who matter and the people who think they know better is inevitable
mircea_popescu: contrary to what the people who think they know better think, their fall into oblivion will be immediate.
midnightmagic: let other people who don't care, mine sdice txn, and take the hit to block propagation. the incentive is against including sdice txn in the blockchain.
mircea_popescu: the incentive really is against including miners who don't ihnclude transactions into bitcoin.
midnightmagic: that's not true. even miners who do *no* txn in their blocks are still burying txn in work.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 550 @ 0.00477167 = 2.6244 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: you'll at some point have to come to terms with the cold reality that about half of bitcoin's utility atm is s.dice
mircea_popescu: i know you like bitcoin in principle. but in practical terms, it's useless other than because its that thing where sdice happens.
mircea_popescu: "not including" the filling in the donut is pracrtically speaking not including yourself among the donut makers.
midnightmagic: lol hilarious analogy. But! Are they Tim Horton's doughnuts, or Krispy Kremes?
mircea_popescu: he's amusing to me because looky here : the consensus was that mining corps are the big deal.
mircea_popescu: out of nowhere comes this dood, and suddenly his corp is larger than all the asic producers together
mircea_popescu: completely blindsides market, it's hysterical to watch reactions etc.
mircea_popescu: well yes it was. glbse practically consisted of pirate passthroughs and mining farms.
midnightmagic: good lord no. ASIC producers are internally parasitic. The value derives from a parasitic self-consumption of economic worth.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3700 @ 0.00477167 = 17.6552 BTC [+]
midnightmagic: The value of mining is a finite value and can't exceed some fraction of the value of the bitcoin economy..
midnightmagic: It's cannibalizing some of its own worth in order to secure itself.
midnightmagic: "securing itself" includes disincentivizing b-s like the DDoS that sdice is. :-)
mircea_popescu: the bs going on currently is cannibalizing some of btc's perception for private gain
mircea_popescu: sorta like someone selling haagen dasz icecream made in nj as "classy" yurpean stuff.
midnightmagic: the funding for the research can't happen if selling bitcoin rewards doesn't support it though..
midnightmagic: yeah i don't understand that. there's a simple metric to finding the best ice cream in a store..
mircea_popescu: sure it can. research that's not justified economically happens all the time
mod6: lol: (23:44) < midnightmagic> weigh it and calculate density. <<< don't you just go by flavor?
midnightmagic: mod6: And no, I refuse to buy whipped-air ice cream. It's inferior quality.
midnightmagic: mod6: Notice they sell ice cream by volume. Which really cheeses me off. But the denser it is, the more cream:air ratio it has.
mod6: thats like an ICEE right?
midnightmagic: I make ice cream; I used to sell it by the tonne. 1 metric tonne every two weeks or so.
mod6: you make 1 metric ton of icecream per week?
mod6: hahah, do you run a ice cream parlor?
midnightmagic: No, I sold 1 metric tonne of ice cream every two weeks, scooped out by myself. I was very young.
midnightmagic: I make my own ice cream because so much of it sucks in the stores and nobody knows any different.
pigeons: i used to be a fax server when i was young
mod6: home made icecream is better if i recall, i haven't had it in about 25 years.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3850 @ 0.00469917 = 18.0918 BTC [-]
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: In the big 20L containers, if there's air in there it melts more rapidly and nobody will buy it.
midnightmagic: i miss access to those things. they're really great for berry picking.
mod6: this guy picks berries, makes 2 ton vats of ice cream and still finds time to hang in -assets!
mod6: well, actually, this year I did for the first time in many years. I was just thinking about that... kinda nice and quiet -- except for the damn bees.
mod6: I had a female prodding me to leave the house/computer and do some berry picking. worked out well, got some nice ones.
mod6: i did my best to look like i was enjoying myself actually.
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: You should come out and pick berries with me. It's like meditating, and at the end we make pie.
mircea_popescu: maybe after the collapse of the us i visit that corner of the world again
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2038 @ 0.00469917 = 9.5769 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 962 @ 0.00468133 = 4.5034 BTC [-]
mod6: Yeah. I'm hoping that comes soon, because shit is way too far out of wack over here.
mod6: It's hard to enjoy anything these days. Songs on the radio, tv shows, holidays... all seem to be overshaowed by the darkining war clouds.
mod6: na. i hate the east coast.
mod6: no offense east coast! lo
mod6: but im from Minnesota, and I spent a large amount of time in Arizona.
midnightmagic: mod6: Aw. I was going to ask if you've seen any wintergreens the last few years. I remember them being exceedingly rare.
mod6: Hmm, not sure what those are.
mod6: I've been to the east coast a number of times. The only thing I learned while there is everyone is a larger asshole than back home, and no one stops for red lights.
mod6: Oh, yeah. Those are good. :)
midnightmagic: mod6: That's a little like what the berries taste like.
mod6: ohh right on. here I just picked some rasberries. the apples wernt ready sadly.
midnightmagic: very very rare, they grow at the base of certain trees.
mod6: Wow, I had no idea.
mod6: Check this out: During the American Revolution, wintergreen leaves were used as a substitute for tea, which was scarce.
midnightmagic: delicious. if you ever get a chance, try one or two of the berries. transcendent flavour experience. :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 600 @ 0.00475368 = 2.8522 BTC [+]
mod6: this thing says its posion lol
mod6: Parts of plant are poisonous if ingested
mod6: One thing that I like about Canada: Formitable Hockey Players.
mod6: Every now and then I would have to travel to winnepeg to play the teams up there. Those guys were huge and almost as mean as me.
mod6: Always seems like the american teams we played were some real candyasses.
jurov: hi, brendio surfaced
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 900 @ 0.00464179 = 4.1776 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 196 @ 0.00464179 = 0.9098 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 250 @ 0.00467175 = 1.1679 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2000 @ 0.00467883 = 9.3577 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 811 @ 0.00468254 = 3.7975 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 13.73336, Best ask: 13.76960, Bid-ask spread: 0.03624, Last trade: 13.75950, 24 hour volume: 46393.77110328, 24 hour low: 13.40403, 24 hour high: 13.83000, 24 hour vwap: 13.62512
Anduck: hey mircea_popescu why dont bitbet just show how much the winning ratio for each bet is
Anduck: how the duck i decipher this?
Anduck: well maybe it should show that on the page, too..
Anduck: i've got no idea what i win if i bet 1 btc on a bet
Anduck: if it shows info like Weighted No: 534`511
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7200 @ 0.00064571 = 4.6491 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11400 @ 0.00064553 = 7.359 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: Nov 28 share price 0.88, Today 0.92
Bugpowder: My 'fund' share price Nov. 28 = 0.782
mircea_popescu: i should start a fund doing 3% off the top and 10% profit.
Bugpowder: My 'fund' share price today = 1.094
pigeons: who is giving him money? I doubt anyone
mircea_popescu: im not paying someone with no track record 3%, 2% or any %.
pigeons: He should start a S.DICE passthrough
Bugpowder: but 3/10 is not obscene, if he was running a decent fund
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 700 @ 0.00465113 = 3.2558 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: Someone should start a fund with the tagline "The SAC of Bitcoin"
pigeons: I bet people would feel happy to pay the 3% deposit fee and think they were getting away with not paying 30 BTC mpex registration
Anduck: pigeons: is that a joke?
Bugpowder: pigeons, actually that is why I take 2
topace: or you could just do it without a setup/deposit fee, like havelock investments :p
Anduck: how many here have actually paid the 30btc MPEX reg fee?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1941 @ 0.00453282 = 8.7982 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: If you have >500 BTC to invest, its not a big deal
Bugpowder: probably the average MPEX account has >500
Anduck: i am very doubtful on that _hundreds_ would've paid 30 btc mpex reg fee
Dr-X: I would charge people for this chat, so that the poor people stay out
mircea_popescu: Dr-X prolly public access to the trade chan is a thing of limited timespan
jurov: <mircea_popescu> ";;later tell namjies" - but he rebranded himself, will he get it still?
Anduck: sorry but where do i see the actual numbers of registred accounts, mircea_popescu?
mircea_popescu: its reported in the mpex statement as revenue from new accounts.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 549 @ 0.00455133 = 2.4987 BTC [+]
pigeons: again, has havelock ever shown a non-doctored statement yet?
Anduck: nov 12 seems to have had 240 from new accs, making it 8 new accounts, right?
pigeons: give your key id, both get 5 btc
mircea_popescu: new user names referrer by keyid, the both get 5 btc. tis in the faq.
pigeons: someone else mentioned it yesterday
mircea_popescu: it's starting to possibly dawn on people (one year later) that making 5 btc per signup is not at all a bad deal
topace: pigeons: what do you mean? havelock non doctored statement??
pigeons: topace: i mean that havelock cut out the gpg signature
topace: i'll give you one right now
pigeons: so we can't verify its authenticity
topace: pigeons: please verify
pigeons: gpg: Signature made Tue 08 Jan 2013 10:24:48 AM EST using DSA key ID F1B69921
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00063566 = 6.4837 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1702 @ 0.00064571 = 1.099 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8076 @ 0.00064708 = 5.2258 BTC [+]
topace: lol and now you know my s.bbet bid :p
topace: public offering that started this morning is half sold out too
topace: will bring us to 250,000 shares
pigeons: nice to hear from you topace i didnt know havelock was here
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20200 @ 0.00064886 = 13.107 BTC [+]
jurov: mircea_popescu, care to look on withdrawals?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15400 @ 0.00065195 = 10.04 BTC [+]
topace: oops sorry pigeons saw nothing after "pretty good response"
topace: yea, im surprised at the response
topace: but ill keep buying shares and issuing units on havelock if the demand is there
kakobrekla: 16:27.24 ( pigeons ) pretty good response
kakobrekla: 16:29.32 ( pigeons ) nice to hear from you topace i didnt know havelock was here
kakobrekla: 16:31.51 .•• topace ( ~kvirc@unaffiliated/topace ) has quit IRC ( Ping timeout: 246 seconds )
kakobrekla: 16:32.04 ( kakobrekla ) he quit on you.
kakobrekla: 16:32.49 ( @assbot ) [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20200 @ 0.00064886 = 13.107 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: 16:32.53 ( pigeons ) i have that effect
topace: aparently my office connection sucks today
topace: kakobrekla: mircea_popescu said there might be a possibility to interface with assbot for traders on havelock?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1650 @ 0.00467745 = 7.7178 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 700 @ 0.00458277 = 3.2079 BTC [-]
jurov: <pigeons> I bet people would feel happy to pay the 3% deposit fee and think they were getting away with not paying 30 BTC mpex registration
jurov: ^ what makes you so sure?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00065195 = 2.999 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7850 @ 0.00065196 = 5.1179 BTC [+]
jurov: oh, disregard that. even 1BTC/year for coinbr is too much to these. with burnside placed himself on prominent place.
jurov: and you next to him, ofc
jurov: what's unclear? there just seems to be a group of people unable to stomach mpex
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 36 @ 0.00468254 = 0.1686 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 378 @ 0.00473719 = 1.7907 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 86 @ 0.00474063 = 0.4077 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 949 @ 0.00470184 = 4.462 BTC [-]
topace: EskimoBob: you're more than welcome to use havelock investments :p
jurov: topace, don't dare to ask any fees, then :)
topace: for s.dice passthru its just a % of the dividends (5%)
topace: but no deposit/withdraw fees, no trade fees, no setup fees
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4700 @ 0.00064886 = 3.0496 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2000 @ 0.00474063 = 9.4813 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5849 @ 0.00065196 = 3.8133 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4401 @ 0.00065419 = 2.8791 BTC [+]
gigavps: never heard mpex called that before
gigavps: EskimoBob you are quite creative
Korbman: Ha, indeed..gave me some interesting visuals
Diablo-D3: mpex has two worthwhile stocks, mpex being one of them
gigavps: i love that EskimoBob follows up "sucking up as hard as you can" with a smiley face
gigavps: gives me warm fuzzies to know that EskimoBob's creativeness is not reserved just for the gigamining thread
jurov: they aren't gypsies, you missed in class when mircea explained teh pic
jurov: iirc, they were smuggling his luggage from or to guatemala
gigavps: EskimoBob what do you mean "handle the forums"
jurov: oh, no more withdrawals?
jurov: EskimoBob - you see what happens when you complain about withdrawal fee.
jurov: they'll get discontinued
gigavps: well, if i was only selling bull shit, i'm sure it would be a lot harder
gigavps: but there isn't much to telling the truth
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 167 @ 0.00474063 = 0.7917 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00474806 = 4.7481 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00475272 = 4.7527 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 833 @ 0.00475481 = 3.9608 BTC [+]
gigavps: Teramining contract is already created
Diablo-D3: speaking of legal, I wish we had a bitlawyer
Diablo-D3: EskimoBob: its not complicated or expensive in the US
Diablo-D3: although it depends which state you're incorporating in
Korbman: establishing a legal entity in the States isn't hard at all
Diablo-D3: I think we had this discussion before
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1950 @ 0.00472926 = 9.2221 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2475 @ 0.00475481 = 11.7682 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 11400 @ 0.00475485 = 54.2053 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2550 @ 0.00477418 = 12.1742 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 50000 @ 0.0047797 = 238.985 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2500 @ 0.00478065 = 11.9516 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: EskimoBob: it depends on the state
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 77075 @ 0.00478699 = 368.9573 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: EskimoBob: like, some states do not require the state to have a list of all investors, or even the company to have to make it public on request
Diablo-D3: I think its nevada that has that, but I could be wrong
Diablo-D3: Ukto: talk to nanotube to get your shit on assbot
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 181 @ 0.00472926 = 0.856 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: EskimoBob: it can be in some cases, yes
Korbman: contracts are important though
Korbman: still is...that's called a verbal contract
Diablo-D3: yes, but verbal contracts are hard to enforce
Korbman: unless you have a witness haha, but yeah for the most part they're a pain
Diablo-D3: there are very very very very few people I trust
Diablo-D3: and the very few I trust usually end up stabbing me in the back anyhow
Diablo-D3: so yes, the days of gentlemen are over.
Korbman: Ha, seems that way sometimes
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 5000 @ 0.00468872 = 23.4436 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3600 @ 0.00468872 = 16.8794 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: EskimoBob: ICBIT was told how to set up assbot ticker but it never went anywhere
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2415 @ 0.00472477 = 11.4103 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 5580 @ 0.00478699 = 26.7114 BTC [+]
Dr-X: no profits this month so far
thestringpuller: someone who wants to get exit the position and take his profits elsewhere will sell soon
Dr-X: the ipo was for 0.0037?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2800 @ 0.00478699 = 13.4036 BTC [+]
topace: wow we're up to that 125k ask wlal
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17502 @ 0.00064886 = 11.3563 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1450 @ 0.00478108 = 6.9326 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1670 @ 0.00478698 = 7.9943 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 530 @ 0.00478699 = 2.5371 BTC [+]
jcpham: but bank acount details in curl commands must be legit
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1385 @ 0.00478107 = 6.6218 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: y combinator is a startup incubator
thestringpuller: Are you on drugs Diablo-D3 ? "At Balanced Payments YC W2011"
Diablo-D3: you're implying I clicked the link
Diablo-D3: I still dont get why you're bringing YC up here
Diablo-D3: they were in the YC before the previous one
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5709 @ 0.00065419 = 3.7348 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 691 @ 0.00065576 = 0.4531 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1day: 0.004312 / 0.00469748 / 0.0047888 (397246 shares, 1,866.06 BTC), 30day: 0.0014 / 0.00337775 / 0.0048 (13703504 shares, 46,287.08 BTC)
jcpham: HN is has funny things
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller if you're looking at the net cashflow indicator for mpex it's unlikely a sellout is in the works
mircea_popescu: With four wrist and ankle restraints attached to nylon straps, this set is sure to produce a happy ending.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 4200 @ 0.00478107 = 20.0805 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu, the expert in bondage, has spoken
mircea_popescu: i prolly did tie more women up than teh average internet dood slept with
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 440 @ 0.00478698 = 2.1063 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 11219 @ 0.00478699 = 53.7052 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3621 @ 0.00478699 = 17.3337 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1day: 0.00436997 / 0.00471658 / 0.0047888 (387085 shares, 1,825.72 BTC), 30day: 0.0014 / 0.00337974 / 0.0048 (13712984 shares, 46,346.45 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3000 @ 0.00478699 = 14.361 BTC [+]
jcpham: i love reading about tide detergent theft
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3737 @ 0.00478699 = 17.889 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: "the voice dictation program on my ipad hears bitbet, writes "big butt""
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 580 @ 0.00478699 = 2.7765 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1300 @ 0.00478699 = 6.2231 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00064921 = 6.4921 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1850 @ 0.00478107 = 8.845 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3800 @ 0.00478699 = 18.1906 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2285 @ 0.00478107 = 10.9247 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 800 @ 0.00469696 = 3.7576 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 794 @ 0.00469615 = 3.7287 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3650 @ 0.00478699 = 17.4725 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1275 @ 0.00478699 = 6.1034 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 13.81370, Best ask: 13.84499, Bid-ask spread: 0.03129, Last trade: 13.80998, 24 hour volume: 46657.68368336, 24 hour low: 13.45315, 24 hour high: 13.84500, 24 hour vwap: 13.66023
gribble: smickles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 37 seconds ago: <smickles> rally time, eh?
smickles: heh, thestringpuller look 5 lines up
smickles: or 4, depending on how you count it
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 13.81371, Best ask: 13.84000, Bid-ask spread: 0.02629, Last trade: 13.81371, 24 hour volume: 46883.13203225, 24 hour low: 13.46000, 24 hour high: 13.85000, 24 hour vwap: 13.66531
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16000 @ 0.00064939 = 10.3902 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6559 @ 0.00064886 = 4.2559 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 13.82370, Best ask: 13.84899, Bid-ask spread: 0.02529, Last trade: 13.82370, 24 hour volume: 46826.34867111, 24 hour low: 13.46000, 24 hour high: 13.87000, 24 hour vwap: 13.66692
Bugpowder: 6 month high about to go down (13.88)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7043 @ 0.00064467 = 4.5404 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1224 @ 0.00469615 = 5.7481 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 469 @ 0.00478699 = 2.2451 BTC [+]
jurov: Bugpowder, or not. it's not so dramatic rise
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 990 @ 0.00478699 = 4.7391 BTC [+]
jurov: like, he's looking to gradually sell btct.. to whom? the community?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 4050 @ 0.00478699 = 19.3873 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13250 @ 0.00064237 = 8.5114 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3902 @ 0.00469616 = 18.3244 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P190T] 1000 @ 0.5417181 = 541.7181 BTC [+]
topace: kakobrekla: you there? check pm
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P200T] 1000 @ 0.62300558 = 623.0056 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2108 @ 0.00478699 = 10.091 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: jurov seems just "mpex rehash, except we can't call it that."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 750 @ 0.00478699 = 3.5902 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: I've been trying to buy and sell them
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P200T] 1000 @ 0.62177589 = 621.7759 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P190T] 1000 @ 0.54057549 = 540.5755 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.00064237 = 4.4966 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14300 @ 0.0006365 = 9.102 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P200T] 1000 @ 0.62173733 = 621.7373 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P190T] 1000 @ 0.54053461 = 540.5346 BTC [-]
dub: isn't BTCGOLD that asset name squatter guy?
dub: what does the CTG in BCB's tagline mean?
topace: glad i only have a few orders with them
dub: this is obviously not a german
mircea_popescu: so basically, bfl is in inaba mode, basic is wiped, asicminer claims to have chips
dub: that is straight chinglish
dub: also wah happen to kluge's scammer tag
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1050 @ 0.0006365 = 0.6683 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00063645 = 8.5921 BTC [-]
Anduck: whats the roblum with asicminer
jurov: worst possible way of announcing it
Anduck: do they have some kind of delay incomin?
mircea_popescu: Anduck not afaik. they however have a different model, whereby they don't deliver items
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3949 @ 0.00478699 = 18.9038 BTC [+]
Anduck: mircea_popescu: but they need to start mining!!
Namworld: I haven't seen Goat in forever.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 546 @ 0.00478699 = 2.6137 BTC [+]
dub: EskimoBob: substanciate that comment or entrench your reputation as a moron
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.49 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.49 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.49 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.49 BTC
Anduck: why isnt it S.DICE.....
mircea_popescu: Namworld im not implying anything. he just dissapeared
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 1 BTC
topace: that was the test one, lets see if a "live" one works
mircea_popescu: so who'd have thunk it, havelock beat everyone to it. Ukto you see that ?
topace: that took all of, umm... 7 minutes to implement
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 10500 @ 0.00478699 = 50.2634 BTC [+]
topace: kakobrekla: can you add the "= x BTC" calculation to the havelock one? same as for MPEX? or do you need me to post that through?
topace: (just for consistency)
kakobrekla: topace it will happen automagically if amount is > 1
kakobrekla: also the [+] and [-] will start to work
mircea_popescu: wait. you can't tell if someone on btctalk is retarded, that's what you're saying to me ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 4098 @ 0.00478699 = 19.6171 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: i think topace will expand the api first
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1500 @ 0.00478699 = 7.1805 BTC [+]
topace: i honestly dont fully undertsand the financials behind shorting, options, etc.
topace: ipo units arent in float until they are sold
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 863 @ 0.00477086 = 4.1173 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 337 @ 0.00470028 = 1.584 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: Units of the fund ARE convertible to shares on MPEX at 1 unit = 100 shares PUSHED to your MPEX account for a fixed fee of 10 BTC per transfer (fee subject to change). Contact us by email to initiate a transfer.
mircea_popescu: lolz. so basically, the only way it makes sense to get a push is if you own more shares on havelock than it'd make sense to own.
topace: if someone builds up slowly a lot on havelock and realizes they dont want to pay us the 5% of their dividend anymore, they can get us to move the shares to mpex
topace: if they're paying 30BTC to open a mpex account, they can pay 10btc for us to move their shares over
topace: obviously, its to discourage people from constantly moving shares, as that would be annoying as hell :)
topace: but its there as an option
topace: now to figure out why my ticker api is giving me nulls
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15856 @ 0.00064374 = 10.2071 BTC [+]
Namworld: Ok, imagine this: ASIC do ship
Anduck: gpu's will drop out of network
Anduck: (the ones who pay for electricity)
Namworld: Hmm. Cheap year for the used GPUs market.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1200 @ 0.00470028 = 5.6403 BTC [-]
topace: i wonder if the mvoe away from gpu's will hurt AMD/ATI's bottom line :p
Namworld: Well I think the chips were long sold when miners bought the cards from cards makers.
Namworld: and bought them because they were cheap.
Anduck: 5830's or 5850's were the best
Namworld: Might still have made more people buy the AMD/ATI newest card because of scarcity of older cards.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20994 @ 0.00064374 = 13.5147 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9198 @ 0.00064467 = 5.9297 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18254 @ 0.00065576 = 11.9702 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15117 @ 0.00065613 = 9.9187 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3762 @ 0.00065643 = 2.4695 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23300 @ 0.0006569 = 15.3058 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27700 @ 0.00065738 = 18.2094 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20100 @ 0.00065987 = 13.2634 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00065998 = 2.6399 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11000 @ 0.00065999 = 7.2599 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3846575 @ 0.00066 = 2538.7395 BTC [+]
Anduck: over 2500+ btc on S.MPOE
Namworld: Well such large trades have happened for S.DICE/S.MPOE before.
Namworld: I think that was one of your blocks mircea?
Namworld: Not bad? Still more than I make in a year.
Anduck: mircea_popescu: isn't it, then?
Namworld: Although mircea is not alone on MPEx.
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1day: 0.00063085 / 0.00065692 / 0.00066 (4741455 shares, 3,114.78 BTC), 30day: 0.0005119 / 0.00061439 / 0.00066 (56821188 shares, 34,910.39 BTC)
mircea_popescu: but no, s.dice has the record, i think it had 13k in one day or something like that
dub: more than you make in a year?
dub: thats like minimum wage
topace: on the ticker, whast the middle number? the average? day: 0.00063085 / 0.00065692 / 0.00066
topace: (trying to make my havelock ticker api provide the same stats)
mircea_popescu: topace isn't fascinating what stuff was going on in the folds of the interwebs.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3100 @ 0.00478699 = 14.8397 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1763 @ 0.00470028 = 8.2866 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 306 @ 0.00469615 = 1.437 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2450 @ 0.00468918 = 11.4885 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1300 @ 0.0046843 = 6.0896 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1269 @ 0.00467785 = 5.9362 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1900 @ 0.00467139 = 8.8756 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 5556 @ 0.00466476 = 25.9174 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3300 @ 0.00465281 = 15.3543 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1800 @ 0.00465075 = 8.3714 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 5100 @ 0.00462952 = 23.6106 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 300 @ 0.0045941 = 1.3782 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3089 @ 0.00458277 = 14.1562 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1876 @ 0.00453281 = 8.5036 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3127 @ 0.00453272 = 14.1738 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2550 @ 0.00452446 = 11.5374 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.00451308 = 2.2565 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1162 @ 0.0045121 = 5.2431 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00450869 = 4.5087 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3550 @ 0.00450124 = 15.9794 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 33102 @ 0.00449 = 148.628 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: LOVE when your bid is the last bid hit in a dump
Namworld: dub, 2538.7395 BTC is more than I make in a year.
Bugpowder: although coins will probably go up faster
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1day: 0.00449 / 0.00470376 / 0.0047888 (516619 shares, 2,430.06 BTC), 30day: 0.0014 / 0.00339243 / 0.0048 (13849441 shares, 46,983.26 BTC)
mircea_popescu: Wow, I just placed an order on bitmit last night and I now have "no permission" to view the order, after paying. Were my funds taken by the new owner or something?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2650 @ 0.00449 = 11.8985 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.48 = 0.96 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1day: 0.00063085 / 0.00065692 / 0.00066 (4741455 shares, 3,114.78 BTC), 30day: 0.0005119 / 0.00061448 / 0.00066 (56765738 shares, 34,881.43 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1450 @ 0.00466507 = 6.7644 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 360 @ 0.00467005 = 1.6812 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1800 @ 0.00478699 = 8.6166 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 336 @ 0.0047582 = 1.5988 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.48 = 4.8 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2100 @ 0.00477613 = 10.0299 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1300 @ 0.0047582 = 6.1857 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 8 @ 0.48 = 3.84 BTC [-]
smickles: nice to see more things in the ass
smickles: 22:04 <@assbot> [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 8 @ 0.48 = 3.84 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 296 @ 0.0047582 = 1.4084 BTC [-]
Anduck: mircea_popescu: u from wut country?
Anduck: i'm just telling irl friend about you and MPEX and how much one can make btc in a month by owning such exchange
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C120T] 1 @ 0.16091948 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P120T] 1 @ 0.0647318 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C130T] 1 @ 0.132 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P130T] 1 @ 0.09130116 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C140T] 1 @ 0.1 BTC [-]
Anduck: don't you own like 800k of S.MPOE?
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P140T] 1 @ 0.12379657 BTC [-]
Namworld: Mircea is not alone working on MPEx...
Anduck: Namworld: who coded mpe?
Namworld: He got a small team of unkown size
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1800 @ 0.00463954 = 8.3512 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: one of these days you should splurge 20 bitcoins' worth of reading and read the faq lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 4348 @ 0.00459059 = 19.9599 BTC [-]
Anduck: it might cause brain damage, though
Anduck: how many mpex-like exchanges there is?
Anduck: is mpex just another brick in the wall?
mircea_popescu: there's about half a dozen, but mpex has 9x% of the volume
Anduck: which was bigger at the end of glbse, mpex or glbse?
Anduck: (btw, nobody was enough as to notice my PF-references??)
Anduck: is it S.DICE that makes it bigger, only?
Anduck: mircea_popescu: s.mpoe wouldnt be without S.DICE...
smickles: mircea_popescu: how about those mpex futures
Anduck: there wouldnt be S.MPOE if there was no S.DICE, right, mircea_popescu?
smickles: not all that popular, it seems
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C120T] 1 @ 0.16089199 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P120T] 1 @ 0.06470431 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: actually mpex trade record was sometime in september, just about when glbse was crashing
smickles: mircea_popescu: a problem with them is that btc are expected to rise, so buying those futures is like cashing out of btc
smickles: if the options were cheaper, it might work
smickles: as if you could pull that off tho
mircea_popescu: the real macro problem here is that because btc and fiat are so badly decoupled
mircea_popescu: i guess in a backwards way the futures uptake is a measure of btc/fiat decouplement.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 650 @ 0.00461461 = 2.9995 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 350 @ 0.00459059 = 1.6067 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2300 @ 0.00468211 = 10.7689 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1986 @ 0.00459059 = 9.1169 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9750 @ 0.0006446 = 6.2849 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 156750 @ 0.00066 = 103.455 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1689 @ 0.00449001 = 7.5836 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: beats working. Dealmaking is exciting and fun, and working is
kakobrekla: grubby. Running anything is primarily an enormous amount of
kakobrekla: grubby detail work . . . dealmaking is romantic, sexy. That's
kakobrekla: why you have deals that make no sense."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3442 @ 0.00449001 = 15.4546 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla that's why you have a bunch of sitcom people doing "entrepreneurship" rutines these days.
mod6: jurov: pass me a glo stick
kakobrekla: btw, that quote is from Buffets shareholder letter
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1900 @ 0.00450904 = 8.5672 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 314 @ 0.0045325 = 1.4232 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1508 @ 0.00457957 = 6.906 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1day: 0.00449 / 0.00469837 / 0.0047888 (544375 shares, 2,557.68 BTC), 30day: 0.0014 / 0.0033951 / 0.0048 (13880020 shares, 47,124.18 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 239 @ 0.00468211 = 1.119 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1361 @ 0.00472449 = 6.43 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: The BIGGEST NEWS at BFL @ CES is.... Android mining software
Bugpowder: Looks like their mini rig SC demo is gettin 980MH/s
mircea_popescu: Bitcoin Flakes Laboratories consist of a solitary man with a messy apartment which may or may not contain a chicken.
kakobrekla: lol wtf are they gonna resell rooted nexuses
mircea_popescu: i would guess the battery cost would make phone mining impossible
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 50 @ 0.48 = 24 BTC [-]
jurov: they can mine while charging
Anduck: why they dont use some cheap chinese tabs...
jurov: or decommissioned 386's
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3907 @ 0.00458881 = 17.9285 BTC [-]
Anduck: they could even resell them with permission as a part of their own product
error3477: wtf... [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 50 @ 0.48 = 24 BTC [-]
jurov: error3477 that's their passthrough 1000 S.DICE:1
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2975 @ 0.00472449 = 14.0554 BTC [+]
jurov: no sry, it's 100:1
jurov: when assbot will report sdice pt's from btct&bitfunder...now that will be hilarious
jurov: S.DICE to rule them all, S.DICE to find them, S.DICE to bring them all and in the darkness bind them
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2900 @ 0.00466745 = 13.5356 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 64 @ 0.00472449 = 0.3024 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 4936 @ 0.00478699 = 23.6286 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1200 @ 0.00466745 = 5.6009 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 349 @ 0.00466042 = 1.6265 BTC [-]
dub: wats with the hashrate variance on that BFL 'roid
dub: high ambient at CES making it throttle
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2400 @ 0.00466042 = 11.185 BTC [-]
JWU42: they have a working prototype at CES?
dub: they have an android bfgminer skin
dub: and a rig chassis with a nexus 7 on the front
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.48 = 2.4 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 900 @ 0.00478696 = 4.3083 BTC [+]
gigavps: this bASIC drama is a bit overwhelming
JWU42: just starting idling in there
Anduck: okay i ask this again: who
Anduck: who's first shipping asics out or mining with them?
Anduck: ASICs are never coming..?
Anduck: hopefully.. but who realistically?
Anduck: i got no rigs ordered from anywhere
Anduck: except i got a few asicminer shares
gigavps: avalon is now saying they don't know how much is going to ship before cny
gigavps: asicminer still has a month to get theirs up
gigavps: basic is under the bus with all of their customers upset
Anduck: but u gotta admit that the notification was shiit
Anduck: i think asicminer 'll be first
Anduck: atleast theyve gave pics of some chips
Anduck: (might be asic, might be not)
mircea_popescu: cause at least they don't have a bunch of customers pissy
dub: somebody in #bitcoin a few hours ago said they got an email from BFL yesterday quoting a march ship
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu just like you have an "exchange" with "shareholders"
mircea_popescu: teh ppl with asicminer shares get pissed off what are they gonna do ? sell on forum ?
dub: prolly not, he named himself after his fav food
Namworld: hey gigavps, how long till your lawyer answers?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 354 @ 0.00473087 = 1.6747 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2496 @ 0.00476298 = 11.8884 BTC [+]
dub: I havent looked and don't have keys handy, is coinbr letting us place bitbet orders for the IPO?
gribble: smickles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 hours, 8 minutes, and 33 seconds ago: <smickles> as if you could pull that off tho
jurov: dub, if you want to fund, hurry.
jurov: i'll go to sleep, then before i wake up, mircea will go to sleep, etc.
dub: jurov: still 2 days away from IPO no?
jurov: yeash, we'll manage to get the funds in place till that
assbot: [MPEX:S.BVPS] 1day: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 30day: 0.00200003 / 0.0034158 / 0.0067 (14758 shares, 50.41 BTC)
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller a little more complex system, it's in teh contract.
dub: I take it the third comment is suggesting if MPOE is goes so does btc
mircea_popescu: dub i like the odds tho. it's like... 300:1 but "we win nothing"
dub: dude that captcha is HARD
dub: roman numerals, what is this, junior school
Anduck: why is there no clear odds?
Anduck: u win ur bet 1.54 times
Anduck: it doesnt say clearly how much you win if you bet x amount
Anduck: there's no multiplier!!!
Anduck: should state like Yes: 1.35, No: 1.679whatevr
mircea_popescu: i can't believe people's reaction is "we should be stolen from".
mircea_popescu: dude. the absence of a bookie means you're not being fucked in the ass.
dub: I demand an assfucking!
dub: let me click right on that
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 754 @ 0.00476298 = 3.5913 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 736 @ 0.00478696 = 3.5232 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1100 @ 0.00467325 = 5.1406 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 222 @ 0.00467325 = 1.0375 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2400 @ 0.00065877 = 1.581 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1500 @ 0.00478696 = 7.1804 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 400 @ 0.00478247 = 1.913 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1051 @ 0.00471275 = 4.9531 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 383 @ 0.00467325 = 1.7899 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 376 @ 0.00467325 = 1.7571 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1043 @ 0.00466765 = 4.8684 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 31 @ 0.00466042 = 0.1445 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: mpex safety announcement : mpex uses no ruby on rails or anything else at all.
dub: vim: the one true CMS
mircea_popescu: update their systems as soon as possible to versions 3.2.11, 3.1.10, 3.0.19, or 2.3.15
dub: fuck this si some mind numbing shit
dub: building network records
gribble: Ukto was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 1 hour, 2 minutes, and 18 seconds ago: <Ukto> I was actually just thinking about contacting you
smickles: heh, thestringpuller has been replaced by ;;seen-bot
kakobrekla: to whoever might be interested, you can now search bitbet by bitcoin address, and mix that with keywords etc
Ukto: thestringpuller: havent had a chance to test
Ukto: my computer tried to die
Ukto: it will take me a few days to test
Ukto: i think it will take at least 10hrs of play to get to disc2
smickles: Ukto: the original baldur's gate?
smickles: there were 5 or 6 disks on that game
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 13.80302, Best ask: 13.82999, Bid-ask spread: 0.02697, Last trade: 13.83000, 24 hour volume: 39611.17893164, 24 hour low: 13.55011, 24 hour high: 13.87998, 24 hour vwap: 13.73806
smickles: agreed, I find myself going back to it from time to time
Ukto: hadntl played bg in a long time
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1236 @ 0.00466572 = 5.7668 BTC [+]
Namworld: baldur's gate is nice. So is FF7
mircea_popescu: Not really. They're not at the LVCC, but at the Sands Convention Centre. That's like half an hour away from the "real" CES.
mircea_popescu: "What makes it possible to buy drugs with Tide is not because Tide is useful as a detergent. It’s because drug dealers and users have agreed that it is currency."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1079 @ 0.0046899 = 5.0604 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 588 @ 0.00469194 = 2.7589 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 380 @ 0.00469194 = 1.7829 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 400 @ 0.00469194 = 1.8768 BTC [+]
gribble: 1 BTC = 13.75002 U.S. dollars = 10.5227061 Euros
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 800 @ 0.00466572 = 3.7326 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1150 @ 0.00468285 = 5.3853 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: yeah, that entire article is full of shit
Diablo-D3: its the only one left on the market that they havent raped the forumula to
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 264 @ 0.00466572 = 1.2318 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 308 @ 0.00466042 = 1.4354 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.00065877 = 3.4915 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 563 @ 0.00466042 = 2.6238 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 237 @ 0.00465713 = 1.1037 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 900 @ 0.00468285 = 4.2146 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 650 @ 0.00466274 = 3.0308 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 800 @ 0.00466274 = 3.7302 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 350 @ 0.00465822 = 1.6304 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 450 @ 0.00465713 = 2.0957 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 50 @ 0.00468285 = 0.2341 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 450 @ 0.00468405 = 2.1078 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 282 @ 0.00469194 = 1.3231 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1620 @ 0.00471475 = 7.6379 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: However, recent evidence suggests that Duqu may have been written in Object Oriented C (OO C) and compiled in Microsoft Visual Studio 2008.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1277 @ 0.00465713 = 5.9472 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 236 @ 0.00465713 = 1.0991 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1070 @ 0.0046549 = 4.9807 BTC [-]
Namworld: I have to learn to stop clicking on polimedia links.
Namworld: I don't know why but I can never read anything.
mircea_popescu: "If there were more robust security, in the bit coin infrastructure. I'd consider it, but as its setup now, not very likely. "
mircea_popescu: "Bitcoins, in theory, could become the next universal currency. However, they are a pain to obtain (if you're not buying them outright) and the security model could use some work."
Namworld: "the security model" could use some work.
JohnGalt2: yeah those morons want centralized shit and to reverse transactions. Because that's what they used to and they gave all their responsibilities to nanny governments
mircea_popescu: this very entrenched western notion that everyone's entitled to an opinion.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 330 @ 0.00471475 = 1.5559 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 682 @ 0.00472303 = 3.2211 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 188 @ 0.00473903 = 0.8909 BTC [+]
Namworld: Someone should post something.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1312 @ 0.00473903 = 6.2176 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 650 @ 0.00474657 = 3.0853 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 38 @ 0.00474845 = 0.1804 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: im gonna open a chocholate beer i think
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9292 @ 0.00064183 = 5.9639 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4354 @ 0.00063645 = 2.7711 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1681 @ 0.0006363 = 1.0696 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1300 @ 0.00471394 = 6.1281 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 700 @ 0.00468492 = 3.2794 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1200 @ 0.00468424 = 5.6211 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2300 @ 0.0046549 = 10.7063 BTC [-]
Namworld: Ok, well maybe we need to get some "stupidized" bitcoin explanation
Namworld: A bitcoin for dummies kind of thing...
Namworld: Well because it needs to be super short for the short attention span of people inquiring about Bitcoins.
Namworld: Well although I guess we already have that.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 710 @ 0.00474845 = 3.3714 BTC [+]
Graet: we will get them whether they want opr not
JohnGalt2: because we want the stupid people money
Graet: most of them dont really understand how fiat or credit cards actually "work" but use them daily, but feel they need to know every intracacy of bitcoin before using it
Namworld: We don't want them, we want the business. Why is apple making so much money? For selling easy to use and elegant products. And they milk their customer base as much as possible.
mircea_popescu: Graet yes, we will get them either way. they're worthless. why bother ?
Namworld: They don't need to even know that much about Bitcoin.
Graet: thats what i said Namworld ;)
mircea_popescu: we are exactly diametrically opposed in every single aspect
mircea_popescu: simple example : satoshi is dead, btc benefits from it. jobs is dead, apple is doomed.
JohnGalt2: if btc benefits from a dead satoshi, then let's kill him?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00474564 = 4.7456 BTC [-]
Namworld: Probably not that great a comparison. But they don't need to know that much about it. If they didn't have such misconception of Bitcoins, they wouldn't oppose using it and could use a third party processor. Yes, there's still the payment processor, but there's less fees and it doesn't support the archaic closed credit card/banking system.
mircea_popescu: JohnGalt2 im just making the point that in the sense jobs is dead (ie, no longer driving apple) so is satoshi
mircea_popescu: Namworld their misconceptions are for the greater good.
mircea_popescu: their business is very expensive. rape-them-in-the-ass corps like banks etc are very good at keeping their idiocy expensiveness low while turning a buck
Namworld: What impact does it make that they'd use Bitcoins?
mircea_popescu: but the effort and expertise involved in doing this are much more than what's needed to make asics
JohnGalt2: Namworld: A lot of the stupid people don't want to have fancy internet money without having a possibility to reverse transactions
JohnGalt2: They're not used it to it because of their nanny governments
mircea_popescu: it costs to supply their needs more than they are capable of paying.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 902 @ 0.00474845 = 4.2831 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 700 @ 0.00475265 = 3.3269 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.00475518 = 2.3776 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2274 @ 0.00477726 = 10.8635 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: why do you think banks wouldn't take most poor people's accounts if they weren't legally forced to ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 35624 @ 0.00478695 = 170.5303 BTC [+]
Namworld: I don't see that argument as valid. As the supplier, you set the price and service provided for it.
JohnGalt2: I don't think every user needs to understand how bitcoin works entirely. I don't, I'm not interested in the IT stuff, I'm interested in the moneyz stuf
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1day: 0.00449 / 0.004709 / 0.004787 (583698 shares, 2,748.64 BTC), 30day: 0.0014 / 0.00340446 / 0.0048 (13963747 shares, 47,539.11 BTC)
Namworld: That you take bitcoins or not, your local government could force you to provide services regardless.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 13.70001, Best ask: 13.72855, Bid-ask spread: 0.02854, Last trade: 13.70000, 24 hour volume: 32942.91842052, 24 hour low: 13.61100, 24 hour high: 13.87998, 24 hour vwap: 13.76016
kakobrekla: most of people driving cars dont know how internal combustion works.
kakobrekla: its same with anything thats more than a stick and a stone and many people use
Namworld: I'm not talking about internet only. Just various other services.
mircea_popescu: point remains. we don't want the average joe and his 3-9 dollar transaction.
mircea_popescu: nobody does eitgher, but that's besides the point. we don't,.
Namworld: What if I sell 3-9 dollars thing?
kakobrekla: i dont care if joe comes or not, i just know he doenst have to know how it works to use it
JohnGalt2: Yes, we do want Joe with his 3-9 dollarz. Bitcoin needs growth, maybe he'll buy more bitcoins after that
mircea_popescu: because, Namworld, the costs of administering this sort of business exceed your profits from doing it.
kakobrekla: in RL the biggest cost of small bills are the billing itself
mircea_popescu: it doesn't really depend. we have centuries of accumulated experience in trade. by now things are pretty well known
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 400 @ 0.00478695 = 1.9148 BTC [+]
Namworld: But it does not exceed the costs... otherwise capitalism wouldn't work because pretty much nothing brings any profit?
Bugpowder: Details 2013-01-09 01:51:31 lessthan 16000 de2012c9 3148068f 1HbHbFK CONFIRMED 435.00000000 LOSE 2.17450000 41970 Details 2013-01-09 01:50:43 lessthan 16000 d463f567 faa9a2d8 19LQ1zn CONFIRMED 435.00000000 LOSE 2.17450000 53146 Details 2013-01-09 01:49:33 lessthan 16000 f3d916d3 c4273fff 1Bw9MTr CONFIRMED 435.00000000 LOSE 2.17450000 52002 Details 2013-01-09 01:48:04 lessthan 16000 881eda89 5a2d111b 1Fh2Rjd CONFIRMED 327.680
Namworld: Well than all consumerism in america is unprofitable if the 3-9 dollar transaction exceeds profits.
Namworld: That bottle of Coke that costs 10 cent to make is not profitable to sell under 1$ and Coke doesn't earn any revenue.
mircea_popescu: the 3-9 transactions work on an economy of scale model
mircea_popescu: if you aggregate one billion of them you can squeeze a little profit
mircea_popescu: but you lack all the many tools that the banks use to turn this green.
Namworld: and Bitcoin is designed to further help the profit margin. The bitcoin is designed to facilitate micro-transactions.
mircea_popescu: the fact that it is designed to do it does not mean you are the one to do it.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 150 @ 0.00474564 = 0.7118 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: that is true, yet i have seen bitcoin margins so ridiculusly high, you dont need volume
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 291 @ 0.00467378 = 1.3601 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 556 @ 0.0046549 = 2.5881 BTC [-]
Namworld: For which transaction fees would be too large for 1-5$ transactions.
kakobrekla: why are the margins like they are, thats another question
mircea_popescu: the fact that asic fab plants are designed to make custom chips
mircea_popescu: in principle, for every degree of magnitude the transaction goes down, your fixed costs go up one and a half.
mircea_popescu: you need to be a multi-billion corp to process sub 10 dollar transactions effectually.
mircea_popescu: note, im not saying that by 2050 or w/e all these fabulous economies of scale baked in by design won't be working full bore
mircea_popescu: all im saying is that the average small biz does not find itself in a position to do this.
mircea_popescu: 90%+ of all small businesses that tried bitcoin discovered this on their own timeand dime
mircea_popescu: this obviously is unavoidable, seeing how they couldn't afford to hire me to tell them this, and wouldn't have made sense of it anyway.
Namworld: Well then we also don't need small gamblers on SatoshiDice or BitVPS is not profitable with it's sub 10 dollar plans. So are small sellers accepting bitcoins and etc, online or not.
Bugpowder: S.DICE benefits from small gamblers
mircea_popescu: Namworld the hosting industry may be the one single place where my above judgements may be shown mistaken
kakobrekla: Buglouse blockchain suffers from small gambers on sd
Bugpowder: and incremental transaction costs are near zero
mircea_popescu: and s.dice takes small gamblers because it's very easy to provide the service to them.
Namworld: Well it's indeed quite mostly automation and all online.
JohnGalt: 3-9$ transactions would work fine for small takeaway or coffee shops
mircea_popescu: no gambler can pick up the phone and complain about damaged deliveries.
Namworld: But that's exactly the problem that would get solved without such opposition. Bitcoin could get lower transaction costs with easier availability through more demand/offer.
mircea_popescu: JohnGalt it has been proven not to work > 20 times so far.
Namworld: using phones to pay in bitcoins wuld be feasible for a much lower fee than the credit card conglomerate/payment processors are trying to offer.
Namworld: Which would allow even small shop to process smaller transactions with more profitability.
Namworld: Agreed that it's not currently feasible.
mircea_popescu: it doesn't matter what the payment "costs" in your estimation.
mircea_popescu: what matters is how much dealing with people ACTUALLY costs.
Namworld: Dealing with someone who enters and at the register pays for something is fast and inexpensive...
mircea_popescu: that further means you will be spending your time doing the impossible.
mircea_popescu: such as, for instance, explaining to those idiots on that article quoted why they're wrong
mircea_popescu: this feat costs exponentially more the dumber they are.
kakobrekla: >>See that picture ? The poor schmucks in that picture are likely more intelligent, more dilligent and generally better human beings than Gobry. Unfortunately for them, they didn’t have the obscene good fortune of being born in this part of the world. As a result, they’re dicking around packing mud while this worthless fuckwit goes about farting self-delusions of “strategic global
Bugpowder: was from one guy starting with a 0.01BTC bet on less than 16000, and doubling it every loss
Namworld: Yes. But as far as I know most most brick and mortar business have to do that bitcoin or not and while not all manage to succeed at it, many remain in business, wether small or large.
mircea_popescu: there's a reason for chains and franchises and payment processors being centralised
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu are those chaps unfortunate or stupid?
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla the problem with macroeconomy is that those terms aren't distinct.
mircea_popescu: think in terms of girl looking for a husband. does she care if he;'s lucky or smart ?
Namworld: The reason is that it's more cost effective and branding brings clients.
mircea_popescu: no namworld. the reason is that people can't afford to stay in business
mircea_popescu: under the crushing pressure of the huge costs of the 3-9 dollars transaction.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 900 @ 0.0046549 = 4.1894 BTC [-]
Namworld: but those costs are very close for a chain convenience store or a personally owned one, for example... there's plenty of non-affiliated small businesses handling small transactions left.
mircea_popescu: go try and complain to your phone company, as a fuine example.
Namworld: Well I can't speak for Romania. But I see small businesses staying around and in all apparence, doing well.
mircea_popescu: and even those have been taking a beating of horror past 10-20 years.
kakobrekla: small businesses are small businesses cause they arent large businesses
Namworld: Just as I see small providers competing with larger corps with better services. They still turn a profit and stick around.
mircea_popescu: small businesses are either a) going bankrupt (happens to 90% ish of them) or else in a new niche.
Namworld: It's harder and there's less margins. It's just not impossible.
mircea_popescu: im sorry, you must be from an alternate universe. why would i be doing something at a competitive disadvantage ?
Namworld: Because if you work for the corporation, you get paid even less.
Namworld: Your margins are lower for the business, but the profit is better for the owner. As for employees, they're probably paid a similar pay.
Namworld: Well there's incentive as to create and keep the small business running as long as that advantage for the owner exists.
mircea_popescu: in general it's irrational to expend your resources at a comparative disadvantage.
Namworld: That you have a 20% margin and your large competitor has 30% matters not if you get enough sales at 20% that you get a nice yearly earning.
Namworld: The owners just has to work for it. But I think that's a work/reward ratio that's still attractive.
Bugpowder: the more profitable one will crush you
mircea_popescu: they might destroy you even if you have 10x their margins
mircea_popescu: but to go into this when they hold the upper hand is folly.
Namworld: It is folly, maybe. Many fails on that path. Most small businesses go bankrupt indeed. But some succeed.
Namworld: That this percentage is quite low matters not. It remains an incentive to exploit any opportunity.
Namworld: Bitcoins could help by making small transactions more accessible at lower costs.
mircea_popescu: they will make more expensive customers accessible,w hich will sink you.
Namworld: Well if it hasn't sunk small convenience stores and shops/restaurants, and still don't, I don't see why that would change anything.
Namworld: They already cater to the most "expensive" customers.
mircea_popescu: the most expensive customer in the world is the guy buying a 3-9 dollar trinket over the internet.
Namworld: Well I don't purport bitcoins would be good for users buying online for small amounts.
Namworld: I say they would in lieu of credit card for small transaction in shops.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 675 @ 0.00475997 = 3.213 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 525 @ 0.00478695 = 2.5131 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: merchant wants ensured funds, customer wants reversible transaction and balance protection
mircea_popescu: cc companies offer all these, and rely on the state to police it all.
mircea_popescu: bitcoin has not the subsidy of the state, and can't offer either safety for the merchant or reversibility for the customer.
mircea_popescu: bitcoin exists so a guy in china can be paid for 10 containers of tvs
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 890 @ 0.00478695 = 4.2604 BTC [+]
Namworld: Well agreed that as a vehicle for transfer of value for large transactions, bitcoins would be ideal.
mircea_popescu: once it becomes the standard there it will trickle down
Namworld: Well I'm not saying right away bitcoins should be used in shops...
mircea_popescu: and keep fucking over small business owners and customers.
Namworld: I don't believe we're anywhere near that level.
Namworld: I'm just saying misconception and bad press hinders bitcoins adoption and that they would prove useful given the right tools.
mircea_popescu: obviously once we build scale and capital and knowhow we'll be able to dislodge larger and larger chunks
mircea_popescu: but for now the focus on small busionesses is simply the tell-talle effect of incompetence and impotence in the bitcoin camp.
mircea_popescu: people don't know the people they should be talking to, don't know how to find them, don't dare approach them
Namworld: Ah. I merely wanted that misconception be cleared so there's less opposition. Better public view/demand for something increase the chance the people that matter will hear about, either through family or other connections.
mircea_popescu: just as it was best for mpex that all the glbse idjits hated it
Namworld: I'm not sure what advantage that has.
mircea_popescu: keeps the expensive people out and so saves our resources.
Namworld: They can't pay the entry fee anyway...
Namworld: If they want something they can't, they talk more about it than something they'd dismiss.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 937 @ 0.0046549 = 4.3616 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 113 @ 0.00464997 = 0.5254 BTC [-]
Namworld: Which can attracts the attention of the people you want.
mircea_popescu: well bitcoin's problem is that it doesn't have who to put an entrance fee.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1318 @ 0.00464997 = 6.1287 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1400 @ 0.00478699 = 6.7018 BTC [+]
Namworld: You allow withdrawals as low as 0.0005 BTC? Isn't that catering to small transactions?
Namworld: I think I could hardly bother with anything less than 1 BTC.
Namworld: Oh, I'm sorry for the misunderstanding, I probably hallucinated my previous withdrawed bitcoins. Have a good day sir.
Namworld: But, in all seriousness, I just made a 40 BTC withdrawal request.
Namworld: It seems someone is selling my debt under par value and I wish to purchase it.
Namworld: The contract says upon request I'll pay par value and the email is right there along the contract but no one seems to bother requesting. Quite odd.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 450 @ 0.00478378 = 2.1527 BTC [-]
Namworld: I've had the notice before you notified here. I do like the confirmation speed.
Namworld: Thank you for the prompt service.
Namworld: Well, now I even get to know who put those under par on the market...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1689 @ 0.00478699 = 8.0852 BTC [+]
Namworld: Okay... they manage 1 billion... that website is so basic... They probably pay a premium for the website and they manage to screw up the contact us link...
Namworld: Things get misaligned. Seems like no one thought of the poor contact page.
Namworld: Well the contact page from either sub-section works. At least.
Namworld: Just not from the main page =/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00476739 = 4.7674 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00476739 = 4.7674 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 983 @ 0.00476739 = 4.6863 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 17 @ 0.00477127 = 0.0811 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 483 @ 0.00477127 = 2.3045 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 700 @ 0.00478628 = 3.3504 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2426 @ 0.00478919 = 11.6186 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1day: 0.00449 / 0.00468334 / 0.00478919 (362534 shares, 1,697.87 BTC), 30day: 0.0014 / 0.00341561 / 0.0048 (14083889 shares, 48,105.09 BTC)
jurov: Diablo-D3, do you watch KHL? we should set up some bets, too
jurov: i don't watch it much, but i saw todays' match in a gym so it occurred it to me
jurov: continental hockey league
jurov: ex-USSR + czechoslovakia
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1900 @ 0.00478919 = 9.0995 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 5000 @ 0.00478919 = 23.946 BTC [+]
mod6: the NHL is back from its lockout too fwiw. Just in time for BitBet :]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1200 @ 0.00476061 = 5.7127 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1087 @ 0.00478919 = 5.2058 BTC [+]
dub: how do you get to the market on bitfunder
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3800 @ 0.00476061 = 18.0903 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 653 @ 0.0047606 = 3.1087 BTC [-]
jurov: flowers for mpoe-pr, what else :)
jcpham: poor thing. no one pays her attention it seems
mod6: i thought it was a good round up
jcpham: i hope she doesn't scare journalists away
mod6: someone needs to set these guys straight. and she's been spot on for over a year.
mircea_popescu: moreover. if you scare some dood away, could he have been a journalist ?
dub: im sure I saw a market page on bitfunder yesterday
dub: or do I need more coffee
jurov: dub, why? yes there's more stuff there now.
dub: all I see is an asset list
jurov: you think there was more yest?
dub: the asset list is the market page? its just a list of btc addresses with stock balances
dub: I must be mistaking it with another site
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 850 @ 0.00477962 = 4.0627 BTC [+]
dub: nearly positivie it was bitfunder
dub: maybe its a browser problem
dub: are there any sites not in the topic?
topace: kakobrekla: assbot isnt showing havelock trades
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 150 @ 0.00477962 = 0.7169 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 350 @ 0.0047606 = 1.6662 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1015 @ 0.00478699 = 4.8588 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 35 @ 0.00478919 = 0.1676 BTC [+]
dub: pretty sure I looked at it last night
dub: but I can only find news|asset list|t&c
dub: if it is there, its very well hidden
dub: yeah tbqh accurate or not its hard to see how the post would produce anything but negative PR
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1337 @ 0.00478919 = 6.4031 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: "Can someone with a seat on the board say if they're getting more update than that ?
mircea_popescu: Nope, so far board members do not have more info than what is provided in this thread."
dub: mircea_popescu: the feet kissing post
dub: its seldom productive to rub peoples faces in their own shit, expecially a bunch of nobodies
mircea_popescu: here it's important, i think, because otherwise the flavour of the entire thing slowly turns to shit.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 230 @ 0.0047606 = 1.0949 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 620 @ 0.0047341 = 2.9351 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: "Chinese new year or not this a bad time of year to rely on devices that rely so heavily on parts from countries that celebrate the near years and the up coming spring festival."
mircea_popescu: pity asicminer didn't have its shares up, it'd have made a killing.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 180 @ 0.0047341 = 0.8521 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 612 @ 0.00470933 = 2.8821 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 746 @ 0.00470933 = 3.5132 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 200 @ 0.00470766 = 0.9415 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 862 @ 0.00470766 = 4.058 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 438 @ 0.00478919 = 2.0977 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 4350 @ 0.00478919 = 20.833 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: everything is under control, dont panic.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1100 @ 0.00478919 = 5.2681 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: o wait, i guess that bitfinex stolen code thing also ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [test] 1 @ 0.00000001 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 9 @ 0.5 = 4.5 BTC [+]
gribble: Nick 'Namworld', with hostmask 'Namworld!~BTC-Minin@modemcable075.132-23-96.mc.videotron.ca', is identified as user Namworld, with GPG key id F2758D83EEEDE453, key fingerprint F12DE6B4E1EF26F5768BE918F2758D83EEEDE453, and bitcoin address 1Namjies9JeJ4ugCzjkAj6dbaWrtjAFKCk
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.49 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 9 @ 0.5 = 4.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.49 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 9 @ 0.5 = 4.5 BTC [+]
gribble: Time since last block: 1 hour and 23 seconds
gribble: Current Blocks: 215901 | Current Difficulty: 3249549.5844872 | Next Difficulty At Block: 217727 | Next Difficulty In: 1826 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 6 days, 17 hours, 11 minutes, and 14 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 3021412.00645230 | Estimated Percent Change: -7.02059076507
gribble: Estimated percent change in difficulty this period | -7.02059076507 % based on data since last change | -5.1399053661 % based on data for last three days
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3000 @ 0.00478919 = 14.3676 BTC [+]
smickles: it's too early to tell on the next diff, isn't it?
smickles: kakobrekla: 21:51 -!- assbot [~assbot@78.46.215.65] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
kakobrekla: im doing some changes as we speak smickles
smickles: kakobrekla: cool, just thought i'd let you know :)
smickles: Bugpowder: they are actually shipping now?
gigavps: their last post seemed to be prepping for less than stellar shipping schedule
gigavps: bASIC is now telling their customers to go fuck themselves regarding getting their btc back
gigavps: without it being in their terms of service
gigavps: these guys are worse than BFL
smickles: so, still no mpoe.etf shareholder info from nefario
dub: im still waiting for btc :)
Bugpowder: they should change the countdown ticker on their website.
Bugpowder: If they were a stock I would panic sell
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 13.77001, Best ask: 13.85000, Bid-ask spread: 0.07999, Last trade: 13.77001, 24 hour volume: 27803.13160059, 24 hour low: 13.62000, 24 hour high: 13.85000, 24 hour vwap: 13.73971
smickles: assbot is down for now Bugpowder
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder well people who are stockholders ("preorder" hiolders) are panic selling
gribble: Time since last block: 1 hour, 30 minutes, and 40 seconds
FabianB: someone turned off some asics ;)
gribble: Current Blocks: 215901 | Current Difficulty: 3249549.5844872 | Next Difficulty At Block: 217727 | Next Difficulty In: 1826 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 6 days, 17 hours, 11 minutes, and 14 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 3021412.00645230 | Estimated Percent Change: -7.02059076507
dub: bitcoin broken, time to sell
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 200 @ 0.00477206 = 0.9544 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1373 @ 0.00470939 = 6.466 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3627 @ 0.00478919 = 17.3704 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1200 @ 0.00478919 = 5.747 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1639 @ 0.00467711 = 7.6658 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 206 @ 0.0046657 = 0.9611 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3839 @ 0.00478919 = 18.3857 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1250 @ 0.0047892 = 5.9865 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2687 @ 0.00478945 = 12.8693 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2224 @ 0.00479003 = 10.653 BTC [+]
smickles: wow, i've made roughly a 50% gain on s.dice
gribble: Time since last block: 1 hour, 36 minutes, and 18 seconds
smickles: kakobrekla: on hour isn't unheard of tho
smickles: have there been a couple in a row of 1 hr?
smickles: Height Age Transactions Total Sent Relayed By Size (kB)
smickles: 215901 1 hour 37 minutes 148 23,672.61 BTC 87.106.47.100 49.79
smickles: 215900 2 hours 26 minutes 150 4,012.25 BTC 50BTC 92.95
kakobrekla: last block on blockchain info i see is 901
smickles: hmm, last block my client has is 901
kakobrekla: according to blockchain that block was 1h 30min ago
dub: I should probably upgrade
dub: "errors" : "WARNING: Displayed transactions may not be correct! You may need to upgrade, or other nodes may need to upgrade."
kakobrekla: pigeons what was that python version of blockchain again?
Bugpowder: its about 0.5^9 chance per block to go at least 1hr 30m
gribble: Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number.
gribble: Time since last block: 1 minute and 6 seconds
Bugpowder: as soon as one of the whales goes on another bender.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00063002 = 3.1501 BTC [+]
smickles: 22:26 < kakobrekla> we have a block << this happened right after I fired up my cpuminer
smickles: total sent, 58785, then 2min later, 14525
smickles: clearly 50btc was just holding the blocks it found for an extra hour or so
FabianB: why would that make sense to hold them back?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00479002 = 4.79 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 976 @ 0.00479003 = 4.6751 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1600 @ 0.00479223 = 7.6676 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 274 @ 0.00479253 = 1.3132 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1100 @ 0.00473131 = 5.2044 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1200 @ 0.00470315 = 5.6438 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 764 @ 0.00479253 = 3.6615 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: anyone here have California home price sales data?
smickles: Bugpowder: I was just looking at an index indicating they were rising
Bugpowder: most previous RE bubbles were 7 years peak to trough
smickles: and that a large rental agency rushed to finialize 2.8 billion (?) in purchases
Bugpowder: just trying to figure out the best way to compile data for a few areas of LA to test some price prediction software
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17300 @ 0.00063002 = 10.8993 BTC [+]
dub: right so bitfunder does have asset pages
dub: just no index of or links to them
dub: not visibly at any rate
dub: intuitivately you can go to the 'assets list' page to find the name then type /asset/'NAME'
dub: oh cool, maybe a link to that somewhere
dub: 'bitfunder' pic in the top left corner?
dub: I don't see any logos
dub: can you maybe screenshot with a big red circle around it? clearly I am malfunctioning
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 876 @ 0.00479252 = 4.1982 BTC [-]
dub: maybe you have to be logged in
dub: well its not there for me :/
dub: is it geoblocked to 'murica and eastern yurup?
dub: I select all'd and don't see a hidden element, nor is firebug showing any failed calls
dub: wow works on my phone
markedathome: I'm in chrome, and I don't see the view market link. however in the source to /assetlist I can see a href=/market (line 92)
dub: could be my transproxy
mircea_popescu: so the guy who lied about having 1k basics on backorder
mircea_popescu: "Not yet :-) Maybe we can save bASIC somehow ... we still work on that :-) I hope in 1 week we will know how we stand in this project."
dub: but it worked from home which is also behind it
Bugpowder: safari 6.0.2 with no account worked
markedathome: so is bASIC bitcoinasics.com, or is that a different one? and is or isn't it being sold?
Bugpowder: never send money to people over the internet who write in broken engrish
dub: well there is a superceeding rule
dub: never deal with chinese.
Bugpowder: S.DICE is underpriced on bitfunder
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1424 @ 0.0006339 = 0.9027 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5438 @ 0.00063874 = 3.4735 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1338 @ 0.00064713 = 0.8659 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder i expect them to be underpriced on all the pt's because of the cost of getting shares sent to mpex accts
FabianB: it was 48 on bitfunder though before it got there on mpex i think
FabianB: just lower volume, so higher volatility
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 124 @ 0.00479252 = 0.5943 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 163 @ 0.00479253 = 0.7812 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: other than that, i expect spreads to also be wider, obviously, and volatilty higher.
Bugpowder: so, whats the timetable on selectable decay?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 949 @ 0.00479253 = 4.5481 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 951 @ 0.00479599 = 4.561 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: Would be great to have by Jan 20th
Bugpowder: When superbowl teams will be known
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 249 @ 0.00479599 = 1.1942 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 151 @ 0.00479784 = 0.7245 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1450 @ 0.00475049 = 6.8882 BTC [-]
jurov: thestringpuller, ask on freelancer.com
jurov: why exactly? fixed width? well, it isn't many things...
thestringpuller: that and mobile need special arrangement for one handedness
jurov: website one handedness? that's rather new term for me
jurov: but i'm uncool dork sticking to phones with qwerty keyboard anyway
jurov: already seen some full of something blogger proclaim their timely death
jurov: so you are trading on mpex while driving? i should ban you before mircea does :)
thestringpuller: and no I don't trade while drving, but if I needed to I couldn't
jurov: anyway. now that thing started to at least partially fund its development, things should be moving
assbot: [MPEX:O.BTCUSD.C140T] 1day: 0.0164898 / 0.08556389 / 0.09707624 (7 shares, 0.60 BTC), 30day: 0.01359389 / 0.03076661 / 0.19999999 (1136 shares, 34.95 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00477588 = 4.7759 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 242 @ 0.00475049 = 1.1496 BTC [-]
jurov: and today i finally tidied up after the bitvps mess
assbot: [MPEX:S.BVPS] 1day: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 30day: 0.00200003 / 0.0034158 / 0.0067 (14758 shares, 50.41 BTC)
jurov: it would, if namjies wouldn't buy it all out
jurov: oh, and it got shiny new ssl certificate... some folks warned me that it wouldn't work on xp or android
jurov: but as it hear you complaining about layout instead, all seems well :)
mod6: I've been around, day job is killing me
mod6: its waaaaay too much work for one person.
mod6: Hehe, you wanna take over?
mod6: I want it to get finished, I just wish I could get it done.
mod6: My day job is basically 3 sr. dev jobs rolled into one. It didn't go as planned, we were supposed to make a lot more money and have a staff by now to alivate the pressure
mircea_popescu: "march seems like a long way away but its really not and besides i was not going to set another possibly uni obtainable date and than fall short."
mircea_popescu: This is an ironclad guaranteed shipping date and I give my personal word and reputation on this date.
mod6: and... its nuts, can't catch a break on anything. I want to do bitotter full time, but if I did that, I'd be out on the street.
mod6: and I've already been there, done that, so ... whatever
jurov: they don't pay enough for these 3 sr. dev jobs?
mod6: I dont drive... but thats where the idea came from.
mod6: dude, no. im getting ripped of MAJOR league.
mod6: see, i get a base, but I'm supposed to make some more off the sale of the equity or whatever.
jurov: can't you tell you are leaving? it worked for me (except i was leaving regardless of money)
mod6: im actually pretty poor.
mod6: the crash wiped me out
mod6: and now i'm pissed off, so here i am :)
mod6: but.. in the mean time, I still gotta generate worthless $$ so I can pay the rent and the power and the internet
jurov: you dodged my question :)
mod6: yeah, i screamed at these guys... for 18 months.
mod6: im stuck for the time being.
jurov: between screaming and calmly announcing i'm outta here is big difference
jurov: in worst case, they'll hire you back
mod6: well, im describing it poorly. its my problem. i've told these people off a lot, but the money keeps coming in, and there arn't a lot of other options for a guy like me.
mod6: its either this or walmart.
mod6: which i did, for 9 months after the crash.
mod6: but I'd rather revolt than work there another single day.
mod6: i dunno. its a big problem.
mircea_popescu: as long as you keep working things will eventually settle.
mircea_popescu: about a third managed to dig themselves back out, the younger ones mostly.
mod6: I'm neary back on my feet, but the amt of $ is small, and it hardly covers the rising costs of shit.
mod6: which is why I cant drive or even own a car.
mod6: omg thats such a long story. i haven't owned a car since 2007
mod6: I guess you're not missing anything.
mod6: i mainly walk every where I go these days.
jurov: mod6, actually, if you're behaving so desperately towards your boss too, no wonder they undervalue you...
mod6: sometimes my gf drives me, but she hates carting me around. f
mod6: jurov: well, its not desperation really. its that im stubborn when I feel like I'm being taken for a ride.
mod6: no one likes to be ripped off, yet, I'm being ripped off with out much to do about it.
jurov: i don't get it. if you really do the work of 3 seniors, it's not like they can find a replacement in a week
mod6: I dont think they could easily replace me.
jurov: so you do have something to bargain over, no?
mod6: Yeah, but after 18 months of trying to get them to the table, all I've received is some Warrents.
mod6: for one of the orgs, the other two are now one, as one of them was absorbed by the other.
mod6: yeah, its not too bad if we ever do something right and get it to the market... but thats a few years off.
mod6: its just hard because I've got no help. And I've got two 65+ year old guys who are supposed to help with "support", but lol.
mod6: I've spent more time talking about what DNS is and how it works ... omg
mod6: yeah, lots of headhunters call me up... talk to at least 2 per week. no one has anything thats more than a 6 mo. contract...
mod6: which is fine, but its usually not worth the money.
mod6: google called me directly... tried to get me to move to SF.
mod6: the cocksuckers didn't even offer to pay for my move.
mod6: what a disappointment.
jurov: looool, if google did call me, i'd move there. on my own expense
jurov: now i won't consider it, too. they missed their chances :P
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 849 @ 0.00479784 = 4.0734 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2083 @ 0.0047979 = 9.994 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2418 @ 0.0048 = 11.6064 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: so s.dice cleared about what, 3k or so this month so far ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 981 @ 0.00478066 = 4.6898 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5762 @ 0.00064713 = 3.7288 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5400 @ 0.00064896 = 3.5044 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7550 @ 0.00065477 = 4.9435 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22300 @ 0.00065998 = 14.7176 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6090 @ 0.00065999 = 4.0193 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 252898 @ 0.00066 = 166.9127 BTC [+]
jurov: yup, beautiful spread. would launch the bot if there were more trades
jurov: *must enable trading while driving*
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1091 @ 0.00478066 = 5.2157 BTC [-]
mod6: Well aside from not wanting to be a cog in the wheel of Google, I never want to live in California.
mod6: Especially not now.
jurov: if it's so much worse than whatever you have now...
mod6: Thats just it... sit here and suck on it, or move out there and be surrounded by Californians.
mod6: trying to get me to go to Yoga and drink a fucking vegtible smoothie.
jurov: that's the spirit, indeed
mod6: Anyway, I think I'll just have to switch it up this year perhaps. If I can find the right fit, that would be nice.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 215 @ 0.00478066 = 1.0278 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1222 @ 0.00477618 = 5.8365 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2008 @ 0.00475049 = 9.539 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 5 @ 0.00474048 = 0.0237 BTC [-]
mod6: I really just want to do BitOTTer full time. Hopefully that'll be sooner rather than later.
jurov: business model? donations?
mod6: Now its just hard because I get like 69 minutes here and there to dive into it. Makes it tough.
mod6: Well, there is a model, kind of, that I've been kicking around. I've thought about the donation thing -- if donations were accepted, they could go straight to the developers who help.
mod6: But I'm not sure about that... I don't like the idea of someone bitching about it here or on the boards or whatever.
mod6: "I SENT IN .1 BTC 3 MONTHS AGO, WHERE IS MY APP!!!"
mod6: fuck that nonsense.
mod6: I really care about how well it works, and if it is well received by the community. I just gotta get these loose ends wrapped up.
jurov: would advise to rethink that
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1347 @ 0.00477154 = 6.4273 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 642 @ 0.00478603 = 3.0726 BTC [+]
jurov: no, the things you care about
jurov: i knew for certain coinbr pricing won't be "well received by the community"
mod6: well, maybe I don't exactly care what the community says exactly. I do care that the users have a good experience and it doesn't fuck up their account at MPEx or allow for loss of private key.
mod6: so far, all seems fine. just need to get this encryption stuff wrapped up, then testing.
mod6: The encryption stuff has been a nightmare.
mod6: I thought it would be /way/ easier to do this.
mod6: but there are issues with the bouncycastle/spongycastle
mod6: I'm working through them, but lack of time has slowed me down a lot.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 317 @ 0.00478603 = 1.5172 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 5883 @ 0.0048 = 28.2384 BTC [+]
mod6: but anyway, I'm just gonna keep working at it.
mod6: good things will happen. I'm pretty good at getting this stuff figured out, its just a matter of time.
mod6: its hard to stay positive these days... but BTC and MPEx keep me going :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 695 @ 0.00474048 = 3.2946 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1055 @ 0.00471985 = 4.9794 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 245 @ 0.00471985 = 1.1564 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1059 @ 0.0047081 = 4.9859 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 896 @ 0.00470316 = 4.214 BTC [-]
jurov: looks like someone has got insider info about upcoming MPBOR
jurov: CoinBr.MPBPT-O indicates 20% lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 117500 @ 0.00066 = 77.55 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: "please leave your number with Dave so I can call you because those other numbers are no longer working"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1600 @ 0.00477096 = 7.6335 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 600 @ 0.00474602 = 2.8476 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: yes I had a few drinks before I posted that post (last night) - I was fucking heart broken, some of you look at my like im a fucking scammer and it kills me - I helped start some of the infrastructure Bitcoin runs on today, and have set many Bitcoin firsts
mircea_popescu: just how many of these original idiots are left i wonder.
mircea_popescu: But please understand I tried the best at the best of my ability and I can't take any of this anymore. I am not the right man for this job. Your new ASIAN benefactors will be online soon to greet you all
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 295 @ 0.0048 = 1.416 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 766 @ 0.00474602 = 3.6355 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1362 @ 0.0047325 = 6.4457 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1772 @ 0.00472643 = 8.3752 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: so anyway, did cablepair announce the azns yet ? or the 8th tomorrow hasn't come so far ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 260000 @ 0.00066 = 171.6 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: >R the ASIANS gonna add clock buffers???
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 252 @ 0.00477203 = 1.2026 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 104 @ 0.00470316 = 0.4891 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 148 @ 0.00470315 = 0.6961 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1275 @ 0.00469395 = 5.9848 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.00469395 = 2.347 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1275 @ 0.00469395 = 5.9848 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1700 @ 0.00468978 = 7.9726 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 25 @ 0.00467679 = 0.1169 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1650 @ 0.00479729 = 7.9155 BTC [+]
dub: I just calmly told old employer they didnt value me enough
dub: they said ok and did nothing for another couple of months, so I calmly resigned. They shat brix, offered a decent retention package but no real improvement
dub: so I left and got hired immediately by a customer for a shitload more
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C110T] 1000 @ 0.29995139 = 299.9514 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C120T] 1 @ 0.19693531 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C120T] 999 @ 0.2416106 = 241.369 BTC [+]
dub: its not all bad, the old job I worked from home 90% of the time and since home is near the beach I 'worked' from the beach a fair bit
dub: have run own business before and that wasnt much fun
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1150 @ 0.00467679 = 5.3783 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2025 @ 0.00467679 = 9.4705 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 625 @ 0.00467652 = 2.9228 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.00476977 = 2.3849 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C120T] 1000 @ 0.24148842 = 241.4884 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C110T] 1000 @ 0.29984697 = 299.847 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1300 @ 0.0047285 = 6.1471 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1200 @ 0.00476977 = 5.7237 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 549 @ 0.00472827 = 2.5958 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2451 @ 0.00467399 = 11.4559 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2213 @ 0.00476486 = 10.5446 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1085 @ 0.00469672 = 5.0959 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1172 @ 0.00472033 = 5.5322 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 87 @ 0.00476486 = 0.4145 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 141 @ 0.00479139 = 0.6756 BTC [+]
dub: dude stop reading fox
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1100 @ 0.00479139 = 5.2705 BTC [+]
dub: next you'll be linking infowars
dub: its the stupid network
dub: another religion for banjo playing hillbillies
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 15 @ 0.00469672 = 0.0705 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 299 @ 0.00467399 = 1.3975 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 754 @ 0.00466988 = 3.5211 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 825 @ 0.0046657 = 3.8492 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 657 @ 0.00466144 = 3.0626 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 643 @ 0.00466144 = 2.9973 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 457 @ 0.00465261 = 2.1262 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: A new analysis of the American Freshman Survey, which has accumulated data for the past 47 years from 9 million young adults, reveals that college students are more likely than ever to call themselves gifted and driven to succeed, even though their test scores and time spent studying are decreasing.
assbot: Provide exchange and ticker.
assbot: Provide exchange and ticker.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 59 @ 0.00479139 = 0.2827 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1391 @ 0.00479569 = 6.6708 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00459207 / 0.00473849 / 0.0048 (298121 shares, 1,412.65 BTC), 1W: 0.00353735 / 0.00430793 / 0.0048 (2130686 shares, 9,178.86 BTC), 1M: 0.0014 / 0.00342682 / 0.0048 (14196612 shares, 48,649.34 BTC)
assbot: [HAVELOCK:SDICE] 1D: 0.48000000 / 0.483246445498 / 0.50000000 (422 shares, 203.93000000 BTC), 1W: 0.37000000 / 0.447561927377 / 0.62000000 (2947 shares, 1318.96499998 BTC), 1M: 0.37000000 / 0.447561927377 / 0.62000000 (2947 shares, 1318.96499998 BTC),
kakobrekla: you can use H or HL or HAVELOCK / M or MP or MPEX
assbot: [HAVELOCK:SDICE] 1D: 0.48000000 / 0.483246445498 / 0.50000000 (422 shares, 203.93000000 BTC), 1W: 0.37000000 / 0.447561927377 / 0.62000000 (2947 shares, 1318.96499998 BTC), 1M: 0.37000000 / 0.447561927377 / 0.62000000 (2947 shares, 1318.96499998 BTC),
assbot: Shit Tyrone, get it together!
assbot: Shit Tyrone, get it together!
assbot: [HAVELOCK:SDICE] 1D: 0.48000000 / 0.483246445498 / 0.50000000 (422 shares, 203.93000000 BTC), 1W: 0.37000000 / 0.447561927377 / 0.62000000 (2947 shares, 1318.96499998 BTC), 1M: 0.37000000 / 0.447561927377 / 0.62000000 (2947 shares, 1318.96499998 BTC),
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00459207 / 0.00473849 / 0.0048 (298121 shares, 1,412.65 BTC), 1W: 0.00353735 / 0.00430793 / 0.0048 (2130686 shares, 9,178.86 BTC), 1M: 0.0014 / 0.00342682 / 0.0048 (14196612 shares, 48,649.34 BTC)
kakobrekla: i just input some code and give it a go
mircea_popescu: "This data is not unexpected. I have been writing a great deal over the past few years about the toxic psychological impact of media and technology on children, adolescents and young adults, particularly as it regards turning them into faux celebrities—the equivalent of lead actors in their own fictionalized life stories."
dub: fox is not responsible for that
dub: they are just reporting subject matter that is relevant to their ageing hillbilly audience
dub: that guy, who incidentelly looks more like a rapist than any other person I have laid eyes on, has a point though
mircea_popescu: even the notion that someone looks like a rapist is a product of this imbecilic outgrowth of pop culture.
assbot: [HAVELOCK:SDICE] 1D: 0.48000000 / 0.483246445498 / 0.50000000 (422 shares, 203.93000000 BTC), 1W: 0.37000000 / 0.447561927377 / 0.62000000 (2947 shares, 1318.96499998 BTC), 1M: 0.37000000 / 0.447561927377 / 0.62000000 (2947 shares, 1318.96499998 BTC),
assbot: [HAVELOCK:SDICE] 1D: 0.48000000 / 0.483246445498 / 0.50000000 (422 shares, 203.93000000 BTC), 1W: 0.37000000 / 0.447561927377 / 0.62000000 (2947 shares, 1318.96499998 BTC), 1M: 0.37000000 / 0.447561927377 / 0.62000000 (2947 shares, 1318.96499998 BTC),
assbot: If the milk turns out to be sour, I aint the kinda pussy to drink it.
dub: people look like rapists because they are probably rapists
mircea_popescu: dub that's just a rehash of frenology, a thoroughly discredited load of bunk
dub: one rapey looking motherfucker
mircea_popescu: much like all the rest of kitsch-art, pseudo-science and fake exotism that makes up the pop.
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00459207 / 0.0047387 / 0.0048 (299349 shares, 1,418.53 BTC), 7D: 0.00353735 / 0.0043083 / 0.0048 (2132486 shares, 9,187.41 BTC), 30D: 0.0014 / 0.00342699 / 0.0048 (14198412 shares, 48,657.89 BTC)
dub: who incidentlayy commits what most civilised people would call rape on a regular basis
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1800 @ 0.00474875 = 8.5478 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 900 @ 0.00469603 = 4.2264 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1350 @ 0.00469603 = 6.3396 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 200 @ 0.00468597 = 0.9372 BTC [-]
pigeons: Ukto still sore over twatter?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 400 @ 0.00468622 = 1.8745 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCT:LTC-MINING] 1D: 0.4399 / 0.44 / 0.44 ( shares, BTC), 7D: na / 0.44 / na
mircea_popescu: pigeons im so glad i didn't list any of them asic ppls.
assbot: [BTCT:COGNITIVE] 1D: 0.41 / 0.4366 / 0.4977D: na / 0.49 / na
mircea_popescu: fucking undefensible strategic choice that pays out in the end.
Ukto: pigeons: more like butthurt
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1300 @ 0.00468622 = 6.0921 BTC [+]
Ukto: mp: wanna do an exchange war?
Ukto: call each other names in public
Ukto: make funny images about each other
Ukto: until someone posts a pic of us out drinking together @ the strip club
Ukto: u dont like nekid women?
Ukto: is it degrading to enjoy fine art there?
mircea_popescu: BREAKING : Josh found a crate of old high end ASICs by the grocery shop parking lot
mircea_popescu: BFL will be delivering boards with sanded off chips soon.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 400 @ 0.00469907 = 1.8796 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 153 @ 0.00469565 = 0.7184 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16601 @ 0.00065675 = 10.9027 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 200 @ 0.00468622 = 0.9372 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00468598 = 4.686 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 800 @ 0.00468597 = 3.7488 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 600 @ 0.00468597 = 2.8116 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 443 @ 0.00465261 = 2.0611 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 300 @ 0.00465197 = 1.3956 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 807 @ 0.00465182 = 3.754 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 157 @ 0.00465182 = 0.7303 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 943 @ 0.00465051 = 4.3854 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2350 @ 0.00467064 = 10.976 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 450 @ 0.00468243 = 2.1071 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2750 @ 0.00468243 = 12.8767 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 750 @ 0.00469414 = 3.5206 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 597 @ 0.00469565 = 2.8033 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 498 @ 0.00469907 = 2.3401 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1068 @ 0.00470391 = 5.0238 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1600 @ 0.00465051 = 7.4408 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 557 @ 0.00465051 = 2.5903 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 358 @ 0.00465038 = 1.6648 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1900 @ 0.00464902 = 8.8331 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 535 @ 0.00464584 = 2.4855 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15200 @ 0.00064067 = 9.7382 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11900 @ 0.00065021 = 7.7375 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1416 @ 0.00063363 = 0.8972 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1692 @ 0.00465337 = 7.8735 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 477 @ 0.00464584 = 2.2161 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 16 @ 0.00464552 = 0.0743 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 750 @ 0.00468668 = 3.515 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15744 @ 0.00065675 = 10.3399 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 450 @ 0.00468668 = 2.109 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 132 @ 0.00470391 = 0.6209 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 718 @ 0.00473944 = 3.4029 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00468724 = 4.6872 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 400 @ 0.00472331 = 1.8893 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1600 @ 0.00467892 = 7.4863 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1200 @ 0.00466683 = 5.6002 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1334 @ 0.00464552 = 6.1971 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 200 @ 0.00463933 = 0.9279 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 100 @ 0.00463903 = 0.4639 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1350 @ 0.00463903 = 6.2627 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1100 @ 0.00464125 = 5.1054 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1400 @ 0.00463903 = 6.4946 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1650 @ 0.00463434 = 7.6467 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 50 @ 0.00462257 = 0.2311 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 123 @ 0.00464125 = 0.5709 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 550 @ 0.00464214 = 2.5532 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 206 @ 0.00464409 = 0.9567 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1841 @ 0.00464409 = 8.5498 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.00462257 = 2.3113 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 82 @ 0.00462029 = 0.3789 BTC [-]
Supa: WTS ASUS M4A87TD/USB3 + Athlon II X3 445 + 8 GB RAM + 320 GB HD + EXTRAS for $200 on PayPal or 14 Bitcoins or 2500 Litecoins
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 750 @ 0.00462029 = 3.4652 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2650 @ 0.00464409 = 12.3068 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 769 @ 0.00464409 = 3.5713 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 180 @ 0.00468482 = 0.8433 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 318 @ 0.00462029 = 1.4693 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 182 @ 0.00461504 = 0.8399 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1150 @ 0.00461504 = 5.3073 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 320 @ 0.00468482 = 1.4991 BTC [+]
Sertuerner: Hey guys, anybody know where I can buy pirate bonds?
dub: fuck sake the client is peice of shit
dub: bitcoin it sucks ass
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 512 @ 0.00469031 = 2.4014 BTC [+]
dub: its just eaten my fucking db
dub: so I have no bitcoins
dub: until I'm synced some time next week
Sertuerner: It doesn't take that long to get synched :P
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 964 @ 0.00468718 = 4.5184 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 336 @ 0.00468096 = 1.5728 BTC [-]
dub: cool, stuck at "blocks" : 500,
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 900 @ 0.00469031 = 4.2213 BTC [+]
Sertuerner: So, anybody knows where I can buy one of those pirate bonds?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2639 @ 0.00468096 = 12.3531 BTC [-]
jurov: Sertuerner why would you want pirate bonds?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2200 @ 0.00461504 = 10.1531 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 411 @ 0.00465106 = 1.9116 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1139 @ 0.00469031 = 5.3423 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 68 @ 0.00461504 = 0.3138 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1282 @ 0.00461332 = 5.9143 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1400 @ 0.00464627 = 6.5048 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 449 @ 0.00469031 = 2.1059 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 781 @ 0.00469234 = 3.6647 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 400 @ 0.00467639 = 1.8706 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 650 @ 0.00467276 = 3.0373 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18768 @ 0.00063363 = 11.892 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8700 @ 0.00063002 = 5.4812 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13032 @ 0.00063001 = 8.2103 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 554 @ 0.00469234 = 2.5996 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1550 @ 0.00469362 = 7.2751 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 496 @ 0.00471599 = 2.3391 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 150 @ 0.00467276 = 0.7009 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1538 @ 0.00463804 = 7.1333 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1062 @ 0.00461516 = 4.9013 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1154 @ 0.00471599 = 5.4423 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1045 @ 0.00472252 = 4.935 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2200 @ 0.00469515 = 10.3293 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 600 @ 0.00467818 = 2.8069 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 450 @ 0.00467818 = 2.1052 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 743 @ 0.00467818 = 3.4759 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 521 @ 0.00461516 = 2.4045 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 450 @ 0.00468816 = 2.1097 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 650 @ 0.00468098 = 3.0426 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 150 @ 0.00468098 = 0.7021 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1650 @ 0.00462295 = 7.6279 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 302 @ 0.00472252 = 1.4262 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 495 @ 0.00473615 = 2.3444 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 782 @ 0.00473944 = 3.7062 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 321 @ 0.00474875 = 1.5243 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 779 @ 0.00474875 = 3.6993 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1321 @ 0.00475012 = 6.2749 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 541 @ 0.0046903 = 2.5375 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1808 @ 0.00475027 = 8.5885 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1100 @ 0.00469833 = 5.1682 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1250 @ 0.00465766 = 5.8221 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 530 @ 0.00465766 = 2.4686 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 720 @ 0.00461516 = 3.3229 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8968 @ 0.00063001 = 5.6499 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4910 @ 0.00063 = 3.0933 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 510 @ 0.0006295 = 0.321 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 400 @ 0.0006295 = 0.2518 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.0006294 = 2.5176 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1500 @ 0.0006293 = 0.944 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28428 @ 0.00062927 = 17.8889 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17800 @ 0.00064292 = 11.444 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 383 @ 0.00461516 = 1.7676 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1600 @ 0.00461435 = 7.383 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 617 @ 0.00461332 = 2.8464 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 21 @ 0.00461332 = 0.0969 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1029 @ 0.00461329 = 4.7471 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 476 @ 0.00461329 = 2.1959 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 195 @ 0.00461329 = 0.8996 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.00461321 = 2.3066 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1286 @ 0.00461227 = 5.9314 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1200 @ 0.00461194 = 5.5343 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1628 @ 0.00461043 = 7.5058 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 941 @ 0.00460851 = 4.3366 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 13.87401, Best ask: 13.94994, Bid-ask spread: 0.07593, Last trade: 13.87350, 24 hour volume: 29908.71166561, 24 hour low: 13.65180, 24 hour high: 14.00000, 24 hour vwap: 13.85230
assbot: Provide exchange and ticker.
assbot: Provide exchange and ticker.
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00459207 / 0.0047097 / 0.0048 (287563 shares, 1,354.34 BTC), 7D: 0.00360414 / 0.00432982 / 0.0048 (2210634 shares, 9,571.67 BTC), 30D: 0.0014 / 0.00343545 / 0.0048 (14293412 shares, 49,104.41 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 450 @ 0.00463599 = 2.0862 BTC [+]
azx: is S.DICE PE around 7.4?
azx: is this high for something like that?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12700 @ 0.00065629 = 8.3349 BTC [+]
jurov: azx: there isn't anything much to compare to
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1950 @ 0.00468492 = 9.1356 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: I think its a real swedish talkshow
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2150 @ 0.00065473 = 1.4077 BTC [-]
azx: abracadabra: i think the original is about this guy's health problems or something like that
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1200 @ 0.00472984 = 5.6758 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 245 @ 0.00469116 = 1.1493 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 455 @ 0.00465313 = 2.1172 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 6095 @ 0.00465313 = 28.3608 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16150 @ 0.00062927 = 10.1627 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 59 @ 0.00460851 = 0.2719 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 791 @ 0.00460838 = 3.6452 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 350 @ 0.00461332 = 1.6147 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 921 @ 0.00469088 = 4.3203 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1100 @ 0.00461332 = 5.0747 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1800 @ 0.00460838 = 8.2951 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 579 @ 0.00469088 = 2.716 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1796 @ 0.00472263 = 8.4818 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1394 @ 0.00473591 = 6.6019 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1231 @ 0.00474435 = 5.8403 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 559 @ 0.00460838 = 2.5761 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2041 @ 0.004606 = 9.4008 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1596 @ 0.004606 = 7.3512 BTC [-]
topace: doubt it, that 5000 shares was me :p
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00459207 / 0.00470281 / 0.0048 (296240 shares, 1,393.16 BTC), 7D: 0.00360414 / 0.00433372 / 0.0048 (2234446 shares, 9,683.48 BTC), 30D: 0.0014 / 0.00343756 / 0.0048 (14318024 shares, 49,219.12 BTC)
kakobrekla: or else ill be doing 3+ requests each time trying to guess which exchange should i take ze data from
kakobrekla: you can censor just the selected lines
topace: !ticker havelock sdice
assbot: [HAVELOCK:SDICE] 1D: 0.48000000 / 0.483824289406 / 0.50000000 (387 shares, 187.24000000 BTC), 7D: 0.37000000 / 0.447719743063 / 0.62000000 (2958 shares, 1324.35499998 BTC), 30D: 0.37000000 / 0.447719743063 / 0.62000000 (2958 shares, 1324.35499998 BTC),
assbot: If the milk turns out to be sour, I aint the kinda pussy to drink it.
assbot: [HAVELOCK:SDICE] 1D: 0.48000000 / 0.483824289406 / 0.50000000 (387 shares, 187.24000000 BTC), 7D: 0.37000000 / 0.447719743063 / 0.62000000 (2958 shares, 1324.35499998 BTC), 30D: 0.37000000 / 0.447719743063 / 0.62000000 (2958 shares, 1324.35499998 BTC),
topace: just rounding the vwap
topace: !ticker havelock sdice
assbot: [HAVELOCK:SDICE] 1D: 0.48000000 / 0.48382429 / 0.50000000 (387 shares, 187.24000000 BTC), 7D: 0.37000000 / 0.44771974 / 0.62000000 (2958 shares, 1324.35499998 BTC), 30D: 0.37000000 / 0.44771974 / 0.62000000 (2958 shares, 1324.35499998 BTC),
topace: h, hl and havelock all work? thats great :)
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00459207 / 0.00470294 / 0.0048 (294040 shares, 1,382.85 BTC), 7D: 0.00360414 / 0.004334 / 0.0048 (2233496 shares, 9,679.98 BTC), 30D: 0.0014 / 0.00343756 / 0.0048 (14318024 shares, 49,219.12 BTC)
assbot: If the milk turns out to be sour, I aint the kinda pussy to drink it.
assbot: If the milk turns out to be sour, I aint the kinda pussy to drink it.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 531 @ 0.004606 = 2.4458 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1881 @ 0.00460465 = 8.6613 BTC [-]
jurov: ;;ticker glbse gsdpt
gribble: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg] [--currency XXX]) -- Return pretty-printed mtgox ticker. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure that the three letter code you enter is a valid currency (1 more message)
jurov: !ticker glbse gsdpt
assbot: If the milk turns out to be sour, I aint the kinda pussy to drink it.
assbot: If the milk turns out to be sour, I aint the kinda pussy to drink it.
assbot: [HAVELOCK:HIM] 1D: / 0 / (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 13.60000000 / 13.725 / 13.85000000 (2 shares, 27.45000000 BTC), 30D: 13.50000000 / 13.71 / 13.89000000 (4 shares, 54.84000000 BTC),
topace: kakobrekla: im okay if you want to take out the 7D so its the same as mpex (just 1D and 30D) or maybe mpex should add 7D :p
assbot: [HAVELOCK:KCIM] 1D: 0.90000000 / 0.94125 / 0.99900000 (12 shares, 11.29500000 BTC), 7D: 0.62500000 / 0.92744898 / 1.00000000 (98 shares, 90.89000000 BTC), 30D: 0.50000000 / 0.95215385 / 1.00000000 (195 shares, 185.67000000 BTC),
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.49 = 1.47 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 13.98100, Best ask: 13.98101, Bid-ask spread: 0.00001, Last trade: 14.08900, 24 hour volume: 34079.24822671, 24 hour low: 13.65999, 24 hour high: 14.08900, 24 hour vwap: 13.88504
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 150 @ 0.004743 = 0.7115 BTC [+]
topace: "72th : initial PicoStock offering"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.49 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 685 @ 0.004743 = 3.249 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: bitinstant should get their shit together
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1045 @ 0.00473235 = 4.9453 BTC [-]
topace: yes i misunderstood you, sorry :p
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu, so i flip some money 2 days ago
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1205 @ 0.00473235 = 5.7025 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 14.05001, Best ask: 14.10000, Bid-ask spread: 0.04999, Last trade: 14.05000, 24 hour volume: 34922.38151352, 24 hour low: 13.65999, 24 hour high: 14.10000, 24 hour vwap: 13.89273
Sertuerner: Any of you guys invested some in ESECURITYSABTC on btct.co?
Sertuerner: A Bond, pays 1.4% weekly, funds the purchase of servers of the company issuing it
Sertuerner: Dividends are 30% of the server profit, the company is legit and the guy issuing it is indeed part of the company
Sertuerner: But 1.4% seems still a bit too good to be true
Sertuerner: "Dividends Terms: 30% of the severs income in USD will be distribued monthly. 70%
Sertuerner: are held by the issuer for maintenance, bandwitch cost, company cost and some
jurov: DDoS "protection", perhaps?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 5000 @ 0.00460466 = 23.0233 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 19 @ 0.00460465 = 0.0875 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1081 @ 0.00460282 = 4.9756 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: Well, BitVPS has had months of a 4% / mo div
mircea_popescu: yes but i mean, paus 1.4% weekly. end of story. what dividends ?
Sertuerner: So you guys figure it leans more on the legit side with ESECURITYSABTC?
jcpham: ian<insert anything here>
mircea_popescu: pretty much any btc bond outside of mpoe's are nonsense.
jurov: Sertuerner, i'd ask for some endorsements from existing customers, for a start
Bugpowder: if you have a floating rate based on profits, and you have an insane month, seems possible
jcpham: it was less than $14 yesterday
Sertuerner: Well, the bond isn't nearly as advertised as the last ponzies I saw
mircea_popescu: in fairness, the only other bond that was a bond in btc was yochdog
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1259 @ 0.00460282 = 5.795 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: SP500 can move that much in a session
Bugpowder: I don't understand it, and I don't want to try
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 300 @ 0.00460282 = 1.3808 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: If it doesn't make sense to mp, I'm not interested.
mircea_popescu: oddly i don't know anyone who owns (or admits to owning) nok
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 660 @ 0.00460282 = 3.0379 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 440 @ 0.00460245 = 2.0251 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.00460057 = 2.3003 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.004599 = 4.599 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 600 @ 0.00459856 = 2.7591 BTC [-]
Sertuerner: Okay, I'll run this 1.4%/w bond by the board later today, let's see if they can find something fishy
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 14.07002, Best ask: 14.09000, Bid-ask spread: 0.01998, Last trade: 14.09000, 24 hour volume: 35929.09864850, 24 hour low: 13.66000, 24 hour high: 14.15000, 24 hour vwap: 13.90986
Korbman: happy to see we're breaking the $14 mark...haven't done that in a while
Bugpowder: well if it stays over it for more than a few hours, It will be ther first time since Aug 2011.
jcpham: has it been since August 2011?
jcpham: i thought we peaked around 15 again after pirate left
jcpham: hours are like days to me sometimes
Bugpowder: actually we peaked over 15 right BEFORE pirate left
jcpham: before, after. MNW/ ponzi boat
Bugpowder: the crash happened about 5 minutes after the BST closing forum post I
jcpham: there was a lot going on
Bugpowder: I wus watching, catching the falling knife
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1800 @ 0.00463688 = 8.3464 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 200 @ 0.00470236 = 0.9405 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2599 @ 0.00459856 = 11.9517 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1800 @ 0.00459702 = 8.2746 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 369 @ 0.00459654 = 1.6961 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2854 @ 0.00459401 = 13.1113 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 800 @ 0.0045931 = 3.6745 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 250 @ 0.00459208 = 1.148 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1092 @ 0.00459207 = 5.0145 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 5121 @ 0.00458976 = 23.5042 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1854 @ 0.00458909 = 8.5082 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1250 @ 0.00458857 = 5.7357 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2088 @ 0.00458358 = 9.5705 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2150 @ 0.00458307 = 9.8536 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1050 @ 0.00457981 = 4.8088 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2453 @ 0.00457901 = 11.2323 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1650 @ 0.00457809 = 7.5538 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1981 @ 0.00457559 = 9.0642 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 950 @ 0.00457454 = 4.3458 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1500 @ 0.00457426 = 6.8614 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2150 @ 0.00457422 = 9.8346 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1650 @ 0.00457332 = 7.546 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1298 @ 0.00457248 = 5.9351 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1900 @ 0.00457145 = 8.6858 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1384 @ 0.00457112 = 6.3264 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1250 @ 0.00457072 = 5.7134 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1976 @ 0.00457045 = 9.0312 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1381 @ 0.0045687 = 6.3094 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: but anyway : it'd seem bitbet just paid its first referral comissions!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1250 @ 0.00473711 = 5.9214 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1413 @ 0.004743 = 6.7019 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 19 @ 0.00464527 = 0.0883 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 14.15068, Best ask: 14.17018, Bid-ask spread: 0.01950, Last trade: 14.17017, 24 hour volume: 37546.03361238, 24 hour low: 13.69100, 24 hour high: 14.17018, 24 hour vwap: 13.92522
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 14.15000, Best ask: 14.18900, Bid-ask spread: 0.03900, Last trade: 14.18900, 24 hour volume: 37580.20459013, 24 hour low: 13.69100, 24 hour high: 14.18900, 24 hour vwap: 13.92545
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 14.10000, Best ask: 14.18000, Bid-ask spread: 0.08000, Last trade: 14.19900, 24 hour volume: 37912.02384168, 24 hour low: 13.69100, 24 hour high: 14.19900, 24 hour vwap: 13.92810
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1200 @ 0.004743 = 5.6916 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2103 @ 0.00464527 = 9.769 BTC [-]
jurov: btw, i placed hockey bet yest, can't find it, it was not approved
kakobrekla: KHL - HC Slovan Bratislava will beat HC Lev Praha
kakobrekla: i dunno, mp does this approving thingy
jurov: just yest i sold a chunk on bitstamp... for $13.50 :/
Bugpowder: If I had >10,000 coins I would sell some
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1084 @ 0.004743 = 5.1414 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1150 @ 0.00464528 = 5.3421 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: then I bought it back the next day
Bugpowder: Unless I somehow acquire >$200,000 worth of coins, then I will take a little off the table
kakobrekla: well i been living from selling coin for over a year now
Bugpowder: but I don't want to pay cap gains on it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1088 @ 0.00471738 = 5.1325 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1450 @ 0.00466444 = 6.7634 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1496 @ 0.00464528 = 6.9493 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.48 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 14.23227, Best ask: 14.26703, Bid-ask spread: 0.03476, Last trade: 14.26703, 24 hour volume: 38839.82278349, 24 hour low: 13.70001, 24 hour high: 14.28800, 24 hour vwap: 13.93873
jurov: apparently a blip, someone just wanted to buy 4k in one go
jurov: mircea_popescu, and can you say something about the disapproved (or still pending) bet?
jurov: KHL - HC Slovan Bratislava will beat HC Lev Praha
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5346 @ 0.00065196 = 3.4854 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21950 @ 0.00065219 = 14.3156 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3333 @ 0.00065629 = 2.1874 BTC [+]
jurov: thx! will try to stir up #bitcoin.cz nao
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00062928 = 0.6293 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2700 @ 0.00456725 = 12.3316 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: error3477 If 2MM share order at .001 shows up in the next 2 minutes... I'm comin' for you.
dub: mircea_popescu: that domain is innacurate, the auther needs coffee
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1100 @ 0.00456725 = 5.024 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2000 @ 0.00456689 = 9.1338 BTC [-]
Namworld: Ok, I'm standing on the edge of my seat, waiting for the IPO.
error3477: I'm too high or it's a 100btc ipo ?
Bugpowder: the first block is priced at .1BTC for 10,000 share
Bugpowder: Namworld, you might want to get a drink... we are still 103 minutes away
Namworld: I haven't heard mircea tell the exact time.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1148 @ 0.00457447 = 5.2515 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 168 @ 0.00456689 = 0.7672 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 184 @ 0.0045663 = 0.8402 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.00062769 = 3.264 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1348 @ 0.0045663 = 6.1554 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 800 @ 0.00456573 = 3.6526 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 602 @ 0.00456513 = 2.7482 BTC [-]
Namworld: Ah, I was hoping it would be GMT
Anduck: really, _really_, you say bitbet.us is worth 1400 usd?
gribble: Error: unexpected EOF while parsing (<string>, line 1)
Bugpowder: if the contract is stated correctly
Bugpowder: so there are rounding effects that magnify
Bugpowder: maybe an ANONYMOUS INVESTOR will emerge!
jurov: Bugpowder, what it they're rounding up?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 940 @ 0.00463117 = 4.3533 BTC [+]
Namworld: Would take 70'000'000 BTC in debt
jurov: no that's 7 million...
mircea_popescu: of course, it's 10k shares at 0.07 so that's 7btc total.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 898 @ 0.00456513 = 4.0995 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 863 @ 0.00456409 = 3.9388 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 139 @ 0.00456388 = 0.6344 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: If every block sold at the ask the sale proceeds would be 24000.4168
Anduck: when does S.MPOE pay divs?
jurov: Anduck, usually at caturday after last friday of the month
Bugpowder: Slashdot commenters are worse than reddit these days
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 380 @ 0.00463117 = 1.7598 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 298 @ 0.00468145 = 1.3951 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: This is not a bad point "Sounds like a dumb idea, until you realize that Chuck E. Cheese and similar businesses have, for decades, been using a similar tactic to avoid running afoul of gambling laws: You're not playing for gifts or money, you're playing for worthless tokens!"
Anduck: i received some btc.. but no idea why
Bugpowder: I got 16BTC that just showed up one day
Anduck: but i think it was divs
Anduck: well i think this is legit and someone sent it on purpose
Bugpowder: figured it was Nefario fucking up again
Anduck: but i just cant remember what
Bugpowder: God damn it, who do I email for some credits
Anduck: REALLY THIS IS .... SHIIT
Anduck: can i search the site with my addr?
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla geniously implemented that "useless" feature
Anduck: mircea_popescu: i've made 2 bets with my address
Bugpowder: Shoulda added 50 BTC to over 14.17
Namworld: Can't you at least make public announcement not require credits? Such as MPOE statements and such?
Namworld: I can understand for the various articles to read. I don't see why announcements should be limited.
jurov: i use this. with noscript, ofc.
kakobrekla: Anduck pm me the addy if ya want i can double check
Bugpowder: I just made like 35000 trilema credits
Bugpowder: email me the deposit address. I want credits.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 14.02859, Best ask: 14.12999, Bid-ask spread: 0.10140, Last trade: 14.12999, 24 hour volume: 52066.63099603, 24 hour low: 13.75001, 24 hour high: 14.32000, 24 hour vwap: 14.03725
jurov: ..till mircea starts to ask google for payment
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 426 @ 0.00469697 = 2.0009 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2400 @ 0.00469313 = 11.2635 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: i think this is called making bitcoinz hand over fist.
dub: "blocks" : 166185, nope
Namworld: hmm... what is this 7.5 BTC outlay?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1300 @ 0.00456388 = 5.933 BTC [-]
Namworld: That means bets under a 10 BTC total are a loss
mircea_popescu: at most house loses .9 btc per bet if the odds are split 9:1 and the unlikely side prevails.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1716 @ 0.00464427 = 7.9696 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 484 @ 0.00470668 = 2.278 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: I am freaking stoked for the variable decay
Bugpowder: Going to market make for NFL bets next round. Hopefully the shallower decay curve will encourage more voting due to better EV throughout the betting period
Bugpowder: The cool thing about variable delay is that the decay basically functions as a vig for the early bettors (like the proposer)
Bugpowder: What is the optimal decay rate for a single event at a scheduled time in the future
mircea_popescu: i was just about typing i'll send you a modest btc sponsorship
mircea_popescu: but 20 btc ain't modest! it's like over 9 thousand hashes!
Bugpowder: starting tomorrow I am going to be spending a lot of time on a startup idea
mircea_popescu: i doubt anyone cnat raed well enough to actually copy your shit.
Bugpowder: so a whitepaper on bitbet might not be in the cards
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 683 @ 0.00456388 = 3.1171 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: It is beneficial for the proposer to place as much capital as possible on the bet
Bugpowder: with any time decay, you get free odds
Anduck: yeah it was a bet i got the btc parts from =D
Bugpowder: and you want to minimize the amount the odds change when other people bet, to encourage them from making bigger bets
Bugpowder: bigger bets = bigger wins and bigger profits for bitbet
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder re the vig thing : it's not that simple. on one hand it will have to cover btc free rate
mircea_popescu: on the other, if it's too large people wil ljust skip the bet.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 170 @ 0.00456388 = 0.7759 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 996 @ 0.00456311 = 4.5449 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1816 @ 0.00470668 = 8.5473 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 634 @ 0.00471508 = 2.9894 BTC [+]
dub: jcpham: how much does your power cost?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 400 @ 0.00471508 = 1.886 BTC [+]
dub: jcpham: trap is the new dubstep
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1200 @ 0.00457039 = 5.4845 BTC [-]
dub: I predict it will last about as long
dub: dj dub's acid test of genre longevity: if I can mix it flawlessly without the use of ears, watching the waveform in serato only, its doomed
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1006 @ 0.00457039 = 4.5978 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1044 @ 0.00456311 = 4.7639 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: "* I have taken the unusual step in this case of not linking to this racist lunatic's foul-mouthed outpourings which I've had the misfortune of stumbling across previously."
dub: powering my GPUs costs more than that
jurov: top 10 ideas with highest buoyancy as teh manager say
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 460 @ 0.00456311 = 2.099 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 272 @ 0.00456208 = 1.2409 BTC [-]
mod6: ^^^ what dubstep sounds like
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16100 @ 0.00063493 = 10.2224 BTC [+]
Namworld: Hmm... 1200 BTC profit in a year estimate? Decent.
Namworld: I grossly rounded the number but eh
mircea_popescu: i woulsdn't put much weight on 5 days extrapolarted to 1 year
Namworld: I'd expect it to be lower. Maybe 300-600.
Namworld: Hmm. Because I don't see that much demand for event betting.
mircea_popescu: well, in simple terms : it has half the fee of s.dice and about twice the fun
Namworld: Well, gamblers are often impatient... hence why they gamble instead of buying a S.DICE share... they want to win right away, get more.
Namworld: Well, for sport events, there is a lot of demand.
Namworld: I just don't see much demand for that elsewhere either in bitcoin, at least for now.
tzui: betsofbitco.in failed so far
tzui: are you the lead developer of bitbet?
Namworld: I'm sure mircea/kako could even get sections with default bets for every match for certain sport events and other enat features rolled out.
tzui: that is why bitbet has such a great design
mircea_popescu: Namworld possibly but i'd rather it be done by people.
tzui: bitbet needs an entertaiment category
tzui: either mircea is manipulating or there are some big time idiots bidding
tzui: some buys don't make any sense there are huge gaps
jurov: *makes extra backup*
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1100 @ 0.00456955 = 5.0265 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1528 @ 0.00456208 = 6.9709 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 54 @ 0.00456198 = 0.2463 BTC [-]
jurov: not animated. you have to refresh
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.00055 = 5.5 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.00055 = 5.5 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.00055 = 5.5 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.00055 = 5.5 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.00055 = 5.5 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 4500 @ 0.00055 = 2.475 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 5500 @ 0.0005 = 2.75 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.0005 = 5 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.0005 = 5 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.0005 = 5 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.0005 = 5 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.0005 = 5 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.0005 = 5 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.0005 = 5 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.0005 = 5 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 4500 @ 0.0005 = 2.25 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 5500 @ 0.0005 = 2.75 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.0005 = 5 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.0005 = 5 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.0005 = 5 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.0005 = 5 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 9500 @ 0.0005 = 4.75 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 500 @ 0.000337 = 0.1685 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.000337 = 3.37 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.000337 = 3.37 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.000337 = 3.37 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.000337 = 3.37 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.000337 = 3.37 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.000337 = 3.37 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.000337 = 3.37 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.000337 = 3.37 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.000337 = 3.37 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.000337 = 3.37 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.000337 = 3.37 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.000337 = 3.37 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.000337 = 3.37 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.000337 = 3.37 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.000337 = 3.37 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.000337 = 3.37 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.000337 = 3.37 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.000337 = 3.37 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.000337 = 3.37 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.000337 = 3.37 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.000337 = 3.37 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.000337 = 3.37 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.000337 = 3.37 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.000337 = 3.37 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.0004529 = 4.529 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.0004529 = 4.529 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.0004529 = 4.529 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.0004529 = 4.529 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.0004529 = 4.529 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.0004529 = 4.529 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.0004529 = 4.529 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.0004529 = 4.529 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.0004529 = 4.529 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.0004529 = 4.529 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.0004529 = 4.529 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.0004529 = 4.529 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.0004529 = 4.529 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.0004529 = 4.529 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.0004529 = 4.529 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.0004529 = 4.529 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 2347 @ 0.0035 = 8.2145 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 7653 @ 0.0004529 = 3.466 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.0004529 = 4.529 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.0004529 = 4.529 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.0004529 = 4.529 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.0004529 = 4.529 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.0004529 = 4.529 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.0004529 = 4.529 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.0004529 = 4.529 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.0004529 = 4.529 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.0004529 = 4.529 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.0004529 = 4.529 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.0004529 = 4.529 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.0004529 = 4.529 BTC [-]
tzui: shit didn't get any
jurov: and get kicked cause of flookding, lol
Namworld: Way overpriced bids coming in.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 4646 @ 0.00045931 = 2.134 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.00047309 = 4.7309 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.00048729 = 4.8729 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.00050191 = 5.0191 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.00051697 = 5.1697 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.00053248 = 5.3248 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.00054846 = 5.4846 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.00056492 = 5.6492 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.00058187 = 5.8187 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.00059933 = 5.9933 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: btc-mining will never pay anything?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.00061731 = 6.1731 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 4000 @ 0.00063583 = 2.5433 BTC [+]
Namworld: If Amazingrando just disappeared, not likely =/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 6000 @ 0.00063583 = 3.815 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: I need a password that is easier to type
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.00065491 = 6.5491 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.00067456 = 6.7456 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.0006948 = 6.948 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.00071565 = 7.1565 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.00073712 = 7.3712 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.00075924 = 7.5924 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.00078202 = 7.8202 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.00080549 = 8.0549 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.00082966 = 8.2966 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.00085455 = 8.5455 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.00088019 = 8.8019 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.0009066 = 9.066 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.0009338 = 9.338 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.00096182 = 9.6182 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ok, so ipo results : 1420000 shares sold, 671.58363400 total shit
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.00099068 = 9.9068 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.00102041 = 10.2041 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.00105103 = 10.5103 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.00108257 = 10.8257 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.00111505 = 11.1505 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.00114851 = 11.4851 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.00118297 = 11.8297 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.00121846 = 12.1846 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.00125502 = 12.5502 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.00129268 = 12.9268 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.00133147 = 13.3147 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 8587 @ 0.00137142 = 11.7764 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1146 @ 0.00456198 = 5.228 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1204 @ 0.00456034 = 5.4906 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 1413 @ 0.00137142 = 1.9378 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.00141257 = 14.1257 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.00145495 = 14.5495 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.0014986 = 14.986 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.00154356 = 15.4356 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.00158987 = 15.8987 BTC [+]
Anduck: mircea_popescu: think.. really people pay 10k USD for bitbet shars I AM TRULY AMAZED NOW
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.00163757 = 16.3757 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 3014 @ 0.0016867 = 5.0837 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 6986 @ 0.0016867 = 11.7833 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.00173731 = 17.3731 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.00178943 = 17.8943 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 3696 @ 0.00184312 = 6.8122 BTC [+]
Anduck: Diablo-D3: i hope even you can see the NOSENSE AND STUPIDITY here, right???? right??? RIGHT???
Namworld: well darn... some people... 0.0018, really?
Anduck: should've bought some for "cheap" and sell for 100x for stupid people
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 8000 @ 0.00175 = 14 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 20000 @ 0.00175 = 35 BTC [-]
tzui: ol I thought 0.0005 was expensive
Namworld: oh... I actually catched 20k shares at 0.0003
Anduck: mircea_popescu: people are stupid. gratz, you and mpex proved it ! =)
Anduck: Namworld: sell them supafast
dub: woah assbot outspammed supa
Namworld: could flip those for 35 BTC easily
Anduck: u can get even more, Namworld
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 7000 @ 0.00175 = 12.25 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 1740 @ 0.00175 = 3.045 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: It's very educational what happened here
Anduck: but really.. that's just nonsense
assbot: If the milk turns out to be sour, I aint the kinda pussy to drink it.
dub: how many shares IPOd?
mod6: !ticker MPEX S.BBET
assbot: If the milk turns out to be sour, I aint the kinda pussy to drink it.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 6853 @ 0.001 = 6.853 BTC [-]
Anduck: i can only say that people are truly stupid.
mircea_popescu: dude srsly, we get it. you were blown away by the market.
mircea_popescu: doesn't on the face of it mean anything other than you werw wrong.
Anduck: mircea_popescu: how much % of the bitbet you and kakobrekla still own after ipo?
jurov: *coinbr users are kindly asked to check their orders*
Anduck: and u sold like 17% of them..
Anduck: let's say u sold 20% of it
Anduck: and u got what, over 1000 btc?
Anduck: i mean what the duck people
Anduck: 14000 USD for selling _a little part_ of a just started betting site+?
assbot: Provide exchange and ticker.
mircea_popescu: Anduck with new sites what matters is who's starting them.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 14.06200, Best ask: 14.13899, Bid-ask spread: 0.07699, Last trade: 14.13899, 24 hour volume: 51724.88009833, 24 hour low: 13.77000, 24 hour high: 14.32000, 24 hour vwap: 14.04826
Anduck: mircea_popescu: people seem to overestimate the fees you get paid
mircea_popescu: what do you think, "everyone's a people so nobody should get 1k" ?
mircea_popescu: Diablo-D3 yea, somebody won like 10btc cause of it too.
Anduck: well i just mean that...
Anduck: nice business there, mp and kako
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 60000 @ 0.001 = 60 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 12962 @ 0.001 = 12.962 BTC [-]
Anduck: sell a just started, not proved to make any money service, and if it did, it would be <10btc/mo -sell a little part of it, for 20000 usd
Anduck: i am amazed if you make over 10 btc this month in fees.
Anduck: anyway, you will keep 80% of the _PROFIT_ yourselves
Anduck: and 20% to the shares.. shares that seem to value over 20000 usd overall
dub: I am consitently amazed that you are able to remember to keep breathing let alone connect to IRC
assbot: If the milk turns out to be sour, I aint the kinda pussy to drink it.
assbot: If the milk turns out to be sour, I aint the kinda pussy to drink it.
lyspooner: how are those cme-based futures' volumes on mpex
assbot: [MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0.000337 / 0.00062553 / 0.0035 (1880251 shares, 1,176.16 BTC), 7D: 0.000337 / 0.00062553 / 0.0035 (1880251 shares, 1,176.16 BTC), 30D: 0.000337 / 0.00062553 / 0.0035 (1880251 shares, 1,176.16 BTC)
lyspooner: i read the (new) article about how awesome mpex is
Anduck: mircea_popescu: how much of S.BBET got sold there?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 7038 @ 0.0006 = 4.2228 BTC [-]
lyspooner: it's totally awesome and like provably awesome too
lyspooner: he's like "it's possibly not awesome" and you were like "nope, totally awesome"
mircea_popescu: wait till he realises s.mpoe makes me worth like 600k btc
Anduck: mircea_popescu: when will you be aged 40 and turn pir...pir.... you know.
lyspooner: the "share of m3" argument might hold water
Namworld: Well damn, I only made 10 BTC off of this IPO
Anduck: but for reelzz, grats mp
jurov: fucking can't believe it...apparently coinbr *did* manage to correctly split the carnage between 6 users and dozen orders
Anduck: i cant believe my eyes really
Bugpowder: mircea_popescu Not sure about that
mircea_popescu: (didn't take a second, either, they just all came the same second)
dub: I hit trilema from corp, shows 4 credits, I go back and theres none
Bugpowder: stuff was filling more slowly than that based on my page refreshes
dub: assuming corp security weenies are following my links :)
Anduck: people will be so mad when they realize they bought the shares 1000x over real price :D
Anduck: mircea_popescu: how much proportion of S.BBET got sold there?
Anduck: don't you do it in some kind of waves or something?
Anduck: and this was the first one
Namworld: with 30% sold. The remaining 10k asks are what's left of 3 million shares IPO
jurov: btw, was there any bet wrt IPO?
Bugpowder: Weird... There average price I paid, after profit taking for my current shares is within 0.2% of the mean price
mod6: there you go Anduck
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder ok. that's the sort of shit im talking about.
Bugpowder: ;;calc (325 -(.0006*117493+84))/272460
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 696 @ 0.00458832 = 3.1935 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1396 @ 0.00456034 = 6.3662 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 208 @ 0.00455909 = 0.9483 BTC [-]
jurov: !ticker MPEX S.BBET
assbot: [MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0.000337 / 0.00062543 / 0.0035 (1887289 shares, 1,180.38 BTC), 7D: 0.000337 / 0.00062543 / 0.0035 (1887289 shares, 1,180.38 BTC), 30D: 0.000337 / 0.00062543 / 0.0035 (1887289 shares, 1,180.38 BTC)
jurov: so 0.00062543 is overall avg price?
Bugpowder: there was profit taking after the run up though
Anduck: that was a nice example of how to do profit when ipo happens
Anduck: remember when FB IPOed? price went _down_
mircea_popescu: Anduck, sometimes prices go up, sometimes they go down. it's the nature of this beast.
Bugpowder: this is a much better valuation method though
Bugpowder: this will be an very interesting case study
Anduck: mircea_popescu: is there a c++ server running mpex or just php + db?
tzui: mircea_popescu will you lower the ask price if no one buys?
Bugpowder: I'm very interested in optimization algorithims
Bugpowder: particularly in markets that are very inefficient
dub: everyone get off the internet
dub: the stupid has reached critical mass
Anduck: why should they be legall..
dub: I want anyone that agrees with that dead, immediately
Anduck: " The hacking collective doesn’t consider DDoS as a form of attack and equates it to hitting the ‘refresh’ button on a webpage."
Anduck: that guy is trolling or something
Anduck: but hey mircea_popescu wanna answer my question about mpex?
mircea_popescu: you'll have to dig through old documentations/discussions.
Anduck: so there aint a simple answer?
mod6: take some time, read the faq?
Anduck: wasnt in the faq if i remember correctly.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3200 @ 0.00459323 = 14.6983 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 650 @ 0.00462031 = 3.0032 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 850 @ 0.0046641 = 3.9645 BTC [+]
mod6: oh, i thought you said before that it was tldr
jurov: Anduck, if you open and fund a coinbr account, i may be persuaded to explain
jurov: asa1024 *hint* affiliate *hint*
Anduck: S.DICE makes most of the whole bitcoin transactions, they make huge profits in a month
Anduck: + there already exists services like bitbet.us and they've not succeeded very well after start
mircea_popescu: part of that because people know they've got mpex backing them.
Anduck: succeeding meaning generating good profit
Anduck: whats the estimated profit of bitbet / mo?
Anduck: you must have done some kind of estimates..?
dub: MP is currently summoning bitches to casually whip while he strokes his beard and ruminates over his success
jurov: "Spoiler: It's not going to beat betsofbitco.in" haha btctalk delivers
Bugpowder: Anduck betsofbitcoin sucks because they don't have variable time decay and they don't have any big bettors setting odds lines with their own capital. Bitbet will have both.
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder there's more but those two can be enough for now i guess
mircea_popescu: "Let's see how well it does after the hype has cooled down."
Anduck: >1100 btc for <20% of bitbet.
Anduck: jurov: i am pretty sure bitbet will atleast be a very good competitor
Anduck: good hype there, yes..
mircea_popescu: add up the bets made in the past week, see what 80% is on bitbet.
Anduck: it's like some real world companies.. people praise them like gods and _really_ they just poop in the customers heads
mircea_popescu: and hype is a matter of repeating dubious/false claims through many channels.
mircea_popescu: not a matter of people discussing facts in their out of the world irc channel.
Anduck: duhh.. thats not the definition of hype
Anduck: UD tells it the best way: '
Anduck: A fad. A clever marketing strategy which a product is advertized as the thing everyone must have, to the point where people begin to feel they need to consume it.'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2000 @ 0.0046641 = 9.3282 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 20 @ 0.00471508 = 0.0943 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 130 @ 0.00471751 = 0.6133 BTC [+]
Anduck: i don't think it's really about advertising about it or not
Anduck: it's "from the owner of mpex" - that's enough to grow up a hype
dub: please stop talking to this waste of oxygen
jurov: dear folks, no sweat
mircea_popescu: dub the disadvantage of news getting out : the forum moves to irc
mircea_popescu: "from the owner of mpex" is fact, not hype in this case.
Anduck: but it _grows_ the hype for bitbet
Anduck: how is that relevant to this subject?
mircea_popescu: because you are making mistakes consistent with an intellectual age of about fifteen,
mircea_popescu: and i'd like to know if you're a healthy young human or a mentally retarded one.
Anduck: please tell me in pm about my mistakes
Anduck: i think mircea popescu thinks hype means something else than it means
Namworld: A fact, such as a celebrity endorsing a product, can create a lot of hype for a product...
mircea_popescu: the sentence correctly is "the fact of a celebrity hyping a product adds to hype'
Anduck: maybe i should quit this conversation before i get accusated of being mentally retarded again
mod6: or end up featured in another trilima article
Namworld: Endorsing is not the same as hyping.
mircea_popescu: Namworld fact remains, falsehood does not stem from truth.
assbot: [BTCTC] [TEST.ONE] 4321 @ 123.12345678 = 532016.4567 BTC
Anduck: mod6: i wouldn't mind in this case
Namworld: It's but one definition of hype.
mircea_popescu: it's funny, cause i'm currently embroiled in an equally amusing debate with some guy on the forum.
Namworld: Hype can also be the interest arising from the advertising and facts regarding a new product.
mircea_popescu: Namworld i guess it could be. the astute observer might notice that i in general deal in anti-hype
assbot: [BTCTC] [TEST-TWO] 4321 @ 123.12345678 = 532016.4567 BTC
jurov: !ticker btctc test-two
assbot: If the milk turns out to be sour, I aint the kinda pussy to drink it.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 77 @ 0.00471751 = 0.3632 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1200 @ 0.00473752 = 5.685 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 234 @ 0.00474435 = 1.1102 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 700 @ 0.00474687 = 3.3228 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 192 @ 0.00475027 = 0.9121 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1097 @ 0.00475357 = 5.2147 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 14.06000, Best ask: 14.13597, Bid-ask spread: 0.07597, Last trade: 14.06000, 24 hour volume: 51252.60596179, 24 hour low: 13.77000, 24 hour high: 14.32000, 24 hour vwap: 14.05461
assbot: [BTCT:LTC-MINING] 1D: 0.4399 / 0.44 / 0.44 (5 shares, 2.2 BTC), 7D: 0.411 / 0.44 / 0.4503 (20 shares, 8.9 BTC), 30D: 0.3801 / 0.56 / 0.89 (34 shares, 18.9 BTC)
mircea_popescu: "bitcoin collapses on news of oversubscribed s.bbet ipo"
Bugpowder: too bad tehre were no props on the # of ipo blocks sold
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 1 @ 0.1575 BTC
assbot: [BTCT:BTC-TRADING-PT] 1D: 0.1575 / 0.1575 / 0.1575 (1 shares, 0.2 BTC), 7D: 0.1387 / 0.14 / 0.1575 (190 shares, 27.0 BTC), 30D: 0.125 / 0.14 / 0.1689 (426 shares, 58.6 BTC)
burnside: thanks for the assist kakobrekla, that was a trade on the site, works great
Bugpowder: too expensive to manipulate though
mircea_popescu: you know, sooner or later you'll meet the nasty problem of having to set a standard.
mircea_popescu: but i know i sure as heck don't want to have mpex trades stream in the same place with that dood's imaginary 1k basic "mining corp"
Anduck: maybe u should make another channel for mpex-only stream?
burnside: heh, meant inside the pico code block :P
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell bugpowder btw you were right, my bad. a bunch of models were discussed and i forgot that in the end i decided the blocks go +1s each
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 20 @ 0.0098 = 0.196 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 103 @ 0.00475357 = 0.4896 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.00475404 = 2.377 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2235 @ 0.00475426 = 10.6258 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 466 @ 0.00475538 = 2.216 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 346 @ 0.00475665 = 1.6458 BTC [+]
assbot: If the milk turns out to be sour, I aint the kinda pussy to drink it.
assbot: [BTCT:BTC-BOND] 1D: 0.0097 / 0.0097 / 0.0098 (43 shares, 0.4 BTC), 7D: 0.009 / 0.01 / 0.01 (5370 shares, 50.6 BTC), 30D: 0.008 / 0.01 / 0.011 (8094 shares, 74.9 BTC)
Namworld: Well I offer to repay them 0.01 BTC on demand.
Namworld: and if someone puts them low on the ask, I buy them at a discount.
Namworld: Yes, I was saying this the other day.
Namworld: The 40 BTC withdrawal was for that. It was going as low as 0.009
Namworld: No one ever used the email to request to redeem yet. Not once.
mircea_popescu: 189bxJPdjZj7rZtqFBAdMsHbnkdm3U3Wz5 ahaha jurov, the impressionist painter.
mircea_popescu: Namworld i guess that shows how well read contracts are.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1337 @ 0.00470857 = 6.2954 BTC [-]
Namworld: I see the same thing everywhere... people complaining of being scammed for clicking on a button confirming a fee. People confirming a service without even checking the pricing. People complaining of not being warned of something they couldn't do or would be charged for that is written clearly in instructions.
Namworld: They just go click click click I want this now.
dub: I sale betting to you
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 7 @ 0.745 = 5.215 BTC
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 3 @ 0.75 = 2.25 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: dub im currently getting about one "premium stock exchange domain" offered a week
mircea_popescu: tldr : fake exchange manipulates prices. "tech error" blamed.
dub: lame, on call for the first time in 6 months or so
dub: I propose a standard of variable sized ascii penises
dub: optionally rainbow colored
dub: // 7 KARMA WILL GET YOU
dub: \ \ MEANWHILE THIS GAY ASCII DICK
dub: _\ \__ MAKES GOOD COMPANY
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 4250 @ 0.00461194 = 19.6007 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 442 @ 0.00455909 = 2.0151 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2582 @ 0.00455832 = 11.7696 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 118 @ 0.00455832 = 0.5379 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 643 @ 0.00455708 = 2.9302 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3359 @ 0.00455708 = 15.3072 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1600 @ 0.00455673 = 7.2908 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.00455613 = 2.2781 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1400 @ 0.00455395 = 6.3755 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 700 @ 0.00455109 = 3.1858 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 550 @ 0.00455034 = 2.5027 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2130 @ 0.00454938 = 9.6902 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: >I'm not worried about myself, I know math. I'm worried about grandmas who spent their whole lives doing money transactions to 2 decimal places.
dub: haha I hate tuxblackedo but he comes with teh funny at times
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 720 @ 0.00454938 = 3.2756 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1150 @ 0.00454814 = 5.2304 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2000 @ 0.00454736 = 9.0947 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 130 @ 0.00454491 = 0.5908 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-MINING] 1 @ 0.05 BTC
Namworld: Look, BTC-MINING started trading =/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3900 @ 0.00461687 = 18.0058 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1200 @ 0.00469636 = 5.6356 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: i installed some personality into assbot
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3370 @ 0.00454491 = 15.3163 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1100 @ 0.00454234 = 4.9966 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 230 @ 0.00454216 = 1.0447 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 570 @ 0.00454216 = 2.589 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2280 @ 0.00453528 = 10.3404 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0.000337 / 0.00062543 / 0.0035 (1887289 shares, 1,180.38 BTC), 7D: 0.000337 / 0.00062543 / 0.0035 (1887289 shares, 1,180.38 BTC), 30D: 0.000337 / 0.00062543 / 0.0035 (1887289 shares, 1,180.38 BTC)
Bugpowder: I don't think it really went off there
mircea_popescu: and i think coinbr does show it, that's why the horiz lines
Bugpowder: fat finger order combined with someone reselling before the IPO gap formed?
Bugpowder: The orange horizontal line does not extend to the edge of the plot in coinbr
mircea_popescu: but i noticed twitter cut off trades after the first ~100
Bugpowder: I am so bummed I did not make anything on the IPO yet
Bugpowder: I am going to look at my Vanguard account and try to cheer up
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3147 @ 0.00453433 = 14.2695 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2153 @ 0.00453373 = 9.7611 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: then bought everything from 45-100
mircea_popescu: ya passowrds can quickly become an issue in situations like this.
Bugpowder: I should have pyMPEX to just accept my creditials automattically or something
Bugpowder: mircea_popescu Did you read the Peter Thiel class notes from the Stanford startup course?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 47 @ 0.00453373 = 0.2131 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1150 @ 0.00453336 = 5.2134 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 803 @ 0.00453297 = 3.64 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 4150 @ 0.00457397 = 18.982 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1 @ 0.00063493 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: In most prior human societies, people made money by taking it from others. The industrial revolution wrought a paradigm shift in which people make money through trade, not plunder.
mircea_popescu: obviously in the next paragraph it falls wholesale into futurism.
mircea_popescu: lemme tell you a big secret pretty much any scholar knows :
mircea_popescu: you couldn't prove this by just talking to the people.
mircea_popescu: but on this simple "i'm from the future so i'm so much better" paradigm you'd do jack shit.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1 @ 0.00063493 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: most people in most times traded for the simple reason that fighting is so fucking dangerous.
Bugpowder: Section IV on is good. Also Class 3 and 4 are very interesting
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 863 @ 0.00469636 = 4.053 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 887 @ 0.00472982 = 4.1954 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 13.5 BTC
asa1024: is this the personality that you added to assbot?
Namworld: Havelock and BTCT.co trades are reported here like MPEx now
kakobrekla: no, the personality has not been discovered yet
kakobrekla: anyway, 0.1337 to whoever finds where is it comming from.
assbot: [MPEX] [TEST] 987654321 @ 1.23456789 = 1219326311.1264 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1 @ 0.00063493 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1 @ 0.00063493 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1 @ 0.00062769 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1 @ 0.00063493 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1 @ 0.00063493 BTC [+]
Namworld: Breaking News: In an unexpected turn of events, MPEx is the host of a record breaking trade totaling over the total amount of bitcoins in existance. In other news, a 1 cm asteroid is heading toward Earth, which might just kill everyone in an fiery apocalyptic scenario, as rendered by our artists in the following video...
mircea_popescu: the above were tests related to switching to new assapi
mircea_popescu: which has occured smoothly and now we're on teh new interface.
Namworld: Is it the most impossibly complex to use API, plus you have to interact with it in Morse code?
Namworld: Well assbot and his api doesn't desrve its name
Namworld: You can't call it assbot with its "ass"api if it's not being an ass, requiring very complex commands plus it has to be in Morse code.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1250 @ 0.00472571 = 5.9071 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 250 @ 0.00472982 = 1.1825 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1358 @ 0.00469654 = 6.3779 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 840 @ 0.00472982 = 3.973 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 468 @ 0.00475665 = 2.2261 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1400 @ 0.00466298 = 6.5282 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 233 @ 0.00460859 = 1.0738 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1700 @ 0.00460859 = 7.8346 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P200T] 1000 @ 0.55700982 = 557.0098 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P190T] 1000 @ 0.47889506 = 478.8951 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 50000 @ 0.00149 = 74.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 20000 @ 0.00169 = 33.8 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 6304 @ 0.00184312 = 11.619 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.00189842 = 18.9842 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.00195538 = 19.5538 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0.000337 / 0.00067495 / 0.0035 (1983593 shares, 1,338.84 BTC), 7D: 0.000337 / 0.00067495 / 0.0035 (1983593 shares, 1,338.84 BTC), 30D: 0.000337 / 0.00067495 / 0.0035 (1983593 shares, 1,338.84 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2596 @ 0.00063493 = 1.6483 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9889 @ 0.00063734 = 6.3027 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19427 @ 0.00064096 = 12.4519 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7013 @ 0.00064793 = 4.5439 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20329 @ 0.00065153 = 13.245 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21529 @ 0.00065605 = 14.1241 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2217 @ 0.00065629 = 1.455 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28355 @ 0.00065675 = 18.6221 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11320 @ 0.00065997 = 7.4709 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8968 @ 0.00065998 = 5.9187 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00065999 = 0.66 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21732 @ 0.00065999 = 14.3429 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45625 @ 0.00066 = 30.1125 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 7 @ 0.46 = 3.22 BTC
assbot: [MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0.000337 / 0.00067662 / 0.0035 (1986093 shares, 1,343.84 BTC), 7D: 0.000337 / 0.00067662 / 0.0035 (1986093 shares, 1,343.84 BTC), 30D: 0.000337 / 0.00067662 / 0.0035 (1986093 shares, 1,343.84 BTC)
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 1 @ 0.74 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: well honestly fuck this, i didn't even get to buy shares
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 2 @ 0.72 = 1.44 BTC [-]
Anduck: why people try to make those ID's so COOL ???
Namworld: Wanted to buy yourself a personal stack of your own stock?
Namworld: thought it wouldn't raise to that point so fast? I didn't either =/
Namworld: I thought people would buy more progressively as BitBet shows it can bring a cashflow.
Namworld: Too many orders coming in last moment
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 900 @ 0.00463951 = 4.1756 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: while the blocks were still popping off
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3850 @ 0.004765 = 18.3453 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: I wonder how much of this is that there is more capital available than viable securities to invest in...
mircea_popescu: not same second as i erroneously indicated at the time
Bugpowder: and placed a buy order for up to 100000
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 21998 @ 0.004765 = 104.8205 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1073 @ 0.00476524 = 5.1131 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2100 @ 0.00476551 = 10.0076 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 508 @ 0.00476576 = 2.421 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 265 @ 0.00476624 = 1.2631 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1349 @ 0.00476669 = 6.4303 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 626 @ 0.0047679 = 2.9847 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1100 @ 0.0047681 = 5.2449 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 5650 @ 0.00476816 = 26.9401 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2600 @ 0.00477036 = 12.4029 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1150 @ 0.0047705 = 5.4861 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 750 @ 0.00477212 = 3.5791 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2050 @ 0.0047744 = 9.7875 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2108 @ 0.00477495 = 10.0656 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1600 @ 0.00477596 = 7.6415 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1650 @ 0.00477701 = 7.8821 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 6150 @ 0.00477767 = 29.3827 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2900 @ 0.00477977 = 13.8613 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2700 @ 0.00478012 = 12.9063 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1050 @ 0.00478558 = 5.0249 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1550 @ 0.00478566 = 7.4178 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 400 @ 0.00478655 = 1.9146 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1050 @ 0.00478722 = 5.0266 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1400 @ 0.00478844 = 6.7038 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2900 @ 0.0047894 = 13.8893 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 352 @ 0.00478999 = 1.6861 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2400 @ 0.00479245 = 11.5019 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2800 @ 0.00479292 = 13.4202 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1371 @ 0.00479303 = 6.5712 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2200 @ 0.00479344 = 10.5456 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 609 @ 0.00479569 = 2.9206 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 150 @ 0.00479729 = 0.7196 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 77441 @ 0.0048 = 371.7168 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: I picked the wrong morning to reduce S.DICE exposure to 1000 coins :-P
assbot: Provide exchange and ticker.
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00453297 / 0.00470258 / 0.0048 (383687 shares, 1,804.32 BTC), 7D: 0.00382726 / 0.00464745 / 0.0048 (1905911 shares, 8,857.63 BTC), 30D: 0.0014 / 0.00347773 / 0.0048 (14777786 shares, 51,393.26 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0.000337 / 0.00067662 / 0.0035 (1986093 shares, 1,343.84 BTC), 7D: 0.000337 / 0.00067662 / 0.0035 (1986093 shares, 1,343.84 BTC), 30D: 0.000337 / 0.00067662 / 0.0035 (1986093 shares, 1,343.84 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0.000337 / 0.00067662 / 0.0035 (1986093 shares, 1,343.84 BTC), 7D: 0.000337 / 0.00067662 / 0.0035 (1986093 shares, 1,343.84 BTC), 30D: 0.000337 / 0.00067662 / 0.0035 (1986093 shares, 1,343.84 BTC)
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 14.18263, Best ask: 14.23000, Bid-ask spread: 0.04737, Last trade: 14.18263, 24 hour volume: 36797.61600636, 24 hour low: 13.87150, 24 hour high: 14.29999, 24 hour vwap: 14.09426
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 1000 @ 0.002 = 2 BTC [+]
Namworld: well, both are appropriate I guess...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 3000 @ 0.002 = 6 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1850 @ 0.00472828 = 8.7473 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0.000337 / 0.00067928 / 0.0035 (1990093 shares, 1,351.84 BTC), 7D: 0.000337 / 0.00067928 / 0.0035 (1990093 shares, 1,351.84 BTC), 30D: 0.000337 / 0.00067928 / 0.0035 (1990093 shares, 1,351.84 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2821 @ 0.00470237 = 13.2654 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 1000 @ 0.002 = 2 BTC [+]
Namworld: 0.002 values BitBet at 20 000 BTC
Namworld: To get that on 1% fee, it would require 2 000 000 in bets. I'd have though people would wait to get more reports/info on advertising revenue and other variables.
mircea_popescu: dude lay off. there's no start-up in this world valued under 1mn
mircea_popescu: what, just because this is a public venue and graham does his shit behind closed doors i have to be stuck with all the unwashed public ?!
Namworld: The first block for 0.00001 or 100 BTC valuation was underpriced.
Namworld: But people overbought BBET at 0.002 BTC
Bugpowder: that block sold for at least 55000
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2200 @ 0.00464742 = 10.2243 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 950 @ 0.00456242 = 4.3343 BTC [-]
Namworld: Even when accounting potential growth, it's high as heck.
Bugpowder: Namworld correction, people are RIGHT NOW "overbuying" at 0.002
mircea_popescu: so, the part where the 1k block was undervalued is a fact : it sold for 35x that.
Namworld: Well 35x that was nicely priced in my opinion. 3500 BTC valuation.
Bugpowder: high bid was at least 55000 at the open
mircea_popescu: well would have had to Bugpowder seeing how there's no sales under 35 on record ?
Bugpowder: I think someone placed an even higher one right before the open
Namworld: I had 500k just over the 1 million at 27000
Namworld: then poof, tons of bids over it
mircea_popescu: im not so ok seeing how i sold 8% of a company for like 500 btc.
Bugpowder: you should have done an angle round first
mircea_popescu: figured, well fuck it, these fud idiots will prolly burn it into the ground, i buy it all out and we go from there.
Namworld: so you'd basically pay the price to get 100% on those shares + half of sales proceed...
Namworld: and kako gets the other half... or whatever the ratio is.
mircea_popescu: We sadly need to announce that our wallet has been compromised thus DO NOT send any further funds to any of the coin wallets, BTC, DVC, LTC, etc. We will setup a new wallet and reset all the addresses. This will most likely take the whole weekend.
topace: idiots using ruby on rails
topace: "i dont know how to make a site, so ill quick prototype a site with ror and then launch it live"
mircea_popescu: even send the girl to warn those bitcoinica redux idiot
JWU_42: security through obscurity ?
topace: security through 1994 web dev skillz
topace: err sorry web _design_ skillz
topace: i have no problems with the functionality :)
mircea_popescu: topace security through not running ANY code that's unread.
mircea_popescu: you know ? absolute minimum requirement for any level of security whatsoever,
topace: havelock doesnt use any outside libraries
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 879 @ 0.00465808 = 4.0945 BTC [+]
JWU_42: someone said it was a RoR exploit
topace: i saw another bitcoin site pop up using drupal and just laughed, just waiting to get hacked, i know cavirtex uses django too, not too sure about its security vulns.. but using any sort of framework tha tother people wrote, and trusting it blindly, is a _bad_ idea
mircea_popescu: topace especially because they wrote it for an entirely different purpose.
mircea_popescu: the django devs didn't proceed with "let us write code that shall be used to handle btc payments"
mircea_popescu: it was more like "let's write some stuff so all these idiots quit programming in myspace"
JWU_42: yeah - that is what I heard
JWU_42: so not sure if people are guessing based on the RoR news or what
mircea_popescu: yeah. me either. would be nice if the peeps would make more useful posts announcing stuff
mircea_popescu: you should read cablepair's stuff sometime. two pages, nothing there.
jurov: it's in python but not from google
Bugpowder: "All else equal, having 1% of a company is better than having 0.5%. But the 100th employee at Google did much better than the average venture-backed CEO did in the last decade. "
jurov: btw, PHP had 15 "code execution" type vulns. python 0.
mircea_popescu: jurov php is used about 10`000 more than python for web apps.
mircea_popescu: which is the average between 0 and 1 multiplied with 10k
jurov: 10000 times more? sauce?
jurov: i don't get the idea, sry. in all programming langs popularity reviews py is not so far behind
mircea_popescu: crawl the web, count by domain whether it runs py or php
mircea_popescu: asking people whether they can name python ? of fucking course they can.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 25 @ 0.48 = 12 BTC [-]
jurov: php is just so much more visible cause everyone leaves the .php extension visible
jurov: surely someone did the crawl but can't find anything like it
mircea_popescu: thing is, if pphp extension is visible that is all we need.
mircea_popescu: cause you can own php once it's there, makes no diff if used much or not.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, this isn't an indictment of python in any way
jurov: TIOBE counts search engine queries, py has 4.173% ,PHP 5.546%.
mircea_popescu: just illustrating how risk assesments are carried out.
mircea_popescu: how often something is used also matters, simple reported vuln count by itself is meaningless.
jurov: i agree PHP is used much more.
jurov: but from my own experience, python makes it harder to open a gaping hole
jurov: php feels like hack on hack
jurov: at least you didn't go with microsoft. cause ITS TEH STANDARD
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 14.17214, Best ask: 14.21998, Bid-ask spread: 0.04784, Last trade: 14.17214, 24 hour volume: 33873.76920876, 24 hour low: 13.87150, 24 hour high: 14.26133, 24 hour vwap: 14.08706
jurov: ah those damn stereotypes
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1700 @ 0.00471799 = 8.0206 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: that graph shows php to be slightly faster, with a huge berth.
mircea_popescu: most php code runs faster than most py code simply because most programmers are idiots.
jurov: it not about me wanting to evangelize python
jurov: i just wonder - am i the only one who tries to find out some real numbers when talking about programming langs?
mircea_popescu: especially because the topic is so complex real numbers can not be found./
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 771 @ 0.00471799 = 3.6376 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 279 @ 0.00456242 = 1.2729 BTC [-]
jurov: so we shall stick to vague impressions. i see.
jurov: lol, again my damn numbers
jurov: mircea, notice the map
jurov: no i was talking about trilema
jurov: what you did in dec 2009?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2364 @ 0.00472325 = 11.1658 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 15 @ 0.48 = 7.2 BTC [-]
chippewa: mircea_popescu: Hi , do you know if there any way to move S.DICE stocks to another mpex account?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2900 @ 0.004583 = 13.2907 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 21 @ 0.33 = 6.93 BTC
Namworld: mircea, if you look at searched term, most of the searches for MPEx is for another kind of MPEx.
Namworld: So searches for your actually exchange might be on the rise, but represent a fraction of all stuff tagged with the acronym MPEX searched for.
Namworld: I wonder how much of those searches are for the actual exchange tho
gribble: Error: "bc,bollocks" is not a valid command.
dub: bitcoin: a little boy waits
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1600 @ 0.00456242 = 7.2999 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2917 @ 0.00456242 = 13.3086 BTC [-]
gribble: smickles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 2 hours, 25 minutes, and 27 seconds ago: <smickles> ;;ticker
jcpham: i bet a monster ate him
jcpham: probably a flying spaghetti monster if I had to guess
jcpham: so i waited 8 months to register some new gpu's
jcpham: which had 2 year warranties
jcpham: i've had to RMA one and now another card twice
jcpham: I'm wondering how long this warranty lasts
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 750 @ 0.00456937 = 3.427 BTC [+]
dub: I rma'd a few cards before I learned not to run fans >80%
dub: they never even looked at receipts, so used to dishing out new ones
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 20 @ 0.48 = 9.6 BTC [-]
dub: its like a vidya game with no steam
dub: ships by boat in three weeks
jcpham: i am steam account without
dub: if steam worked on bitcoin blockchain the next version would be out before the game downloaded
jcpham: i just used my leftover amazon balance to buy sex toys
dub: as long as theres a rubber fist
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1500 @ 0.00456937 = 6.8541 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 900 @ 0.00458215 = 4.1239 BTC [+]
dub: as a present for my boss
jcpham: $100 goes a long way on amazon
jcpham: i have a whole box of dildos coming
dub: just dont mistake them for your parachute bag
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.48 = 2.4 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00458215 = 4.5822 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 350 @ 0.00458215 = 1.6038 BTC [+]
dub: etf is wrong with his phone?
dub: is he shooting that on a nokia?
jcpham: micon is numer one troll
dub: he's a pretty shit troll tbh
dub: theres really no point in letting gingers live, we should help evolution along and just exterimate them now
topace: tim minchin - prejudice
mircea_popescu: <dub> etf is wrong with his phone? << he was ranting about his speen
jcpham: inaba is pretty ruthless to him
jcpham: i'm not sure if i would be nice, depends on what was cut out of the video
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 14.25010, Best ask: 14.33899, Bid-ask spread: 0.08889, Last trade: 14.25003, 24 hour volume: 31113.16064086, 24 hour low: 13.91001, 24 hour high: 14.34999, 24 hour vwap: 14.13473
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 9 @ 0.48 = 4.32 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: "Epic video on the way. BFL a total scam, they act exactly as scammers would and I will show you a perfect side-by-side comparison of how a real business would look at CES vs. a total, utter scam."
mircea_popescu: should be a bet on how long the bitpay people continue to carry bfl & btcmag
mircea_popescu: i don't trust wireless. consequently all my stuff is wired.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1003 @ 0.00456243 = 4.5761 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 303 @ 0.00456242 = 1.3824 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 350 @ 0.00458215 = 1.6038 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 91 @ 0.004583 = 0.4171 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 633 @ 0.00465845 = 2.9488 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3426 @ 0.00465845 = 15.9598 BTC [+]
dub: mircea_popescu: odds are against
dub: not sure how it works if mum is similarly afflicted
dub: gingervitis is a recessive mutation
dub: oslt, soon to be extinct
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 174 @ 0.00470334 = 0.8184 BTC [+]
dub: soul stealing fireboxen
dub: jcpham: I think inaba said it was teh second day in a row he had shown up to troll them and was there last year
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 900 @ 0.00456242 = 4.1062 BTC [-]
gribble: smickles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 4 hours, 56 minutes, and 19 seconds ago: <smickles> ;;ticker
StarenseN: hi, can someone explain me the purpose of the bot's orders that sell 0.01 btc to the bid price after each buying ?
StarenseN: that lowers the price but i still don't figure out if it's a bullish or bearish purpose
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: convert the bot to cuda and use monte carlo
mircea_popescu: StarenseN it'd seem the bot influences the last sell signal
StarenseN: ok but is it bullish (price seems lower to buyers) or bearish purpose (to lower the price each time it's possible) ? i can't figure it out
StarenseN: and maybe that technic has a name ?
pigeons: it's bearish except when its bullish
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: www.nvidia.com/object/computational_finance.html
StarenseN: i'd like to get rid off these ridicult amount of orders that monitor wrongly the price on my software sierra chart, do you think it's possible ?
StarenseN: to remove the input of orders @ 0.01btc
jurov: no, he's the bitcoin's conscience
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1150 @ 0.00456242 = 5.2468 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3550 @ 0.00063367 = 2.2495 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6767 @ 0.00063471 = 4.2951 BTC [+]
jurov: "Since MPEx discountinued withdrawals, I do what I can."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 512 @ 0.00456242 = 2.336 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1750 @ 0.00458146 = 8.0176 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 479 @ 0.00456242 = 2.1854 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 221 @ 0.00456241 = 1.0083 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5243 @ 0.00063471 = 3.3278 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5500 @ 0.00063774 = 3.5076 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1200 @ 0.00458146 = 5.4978 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1129 @ 0.00456241 = 5.151 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1571 @ 0.00455779 = 7.1603 BTC [-]
gribble: mod6 was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 0 hours, 9 minutes, and 49 seconds ago: <mod6> or end up featured in another trilima article
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 400 @ 0.00455779 = 1.8231 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: I was originally dead set against bitfunder, and planned to claim my shares at btct. the more I see look at each one, i see that btct is a bunch of drama.
mircea_popescu: all over the place people using it to post msgs against each other, vote each other. first I was checking the website alot, to see what was there. then as things grew, so did the drama, I got tired of trying to use the votes as a usefull reference. almost all traded assets have some kind of negative mark, mud slung in their face, and its like getting opinionated scammer votes to me.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: do any of the stocks on MPEx have voting rights?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 252 @ 0.00455779 = 1.1486 BTC [-]
jcpham: So BFL and youtube videos...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1802 @ 0.00063395 = 1.1424 BTC [-]
jcpham: I'm thinking surely someone must've known it was micon
jcpham: Massive unmitigated facepalm
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1267 @ 0.00455779 = 5.7747 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2391 @ 0.00455779 = 10.8977 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2309 @ 0.00455778 = 10.5239 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00457666 = 4.5767 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 941 @ 0.00455778 = 4.2889 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 753 @ 0.00455121 = 3.4271 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 50 @ 0.1432 = 7.16 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 197 @ 0.00455121 = 0.8966 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 503 @ 0.00454943 = 2.2884 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 509 @ 0.00455183 = 2.3169 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 541 @ 0.00457666 = 2.476 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 232 @ 0.00457666 = 1.0618 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 526 @ 0.00458146 = 2.4098 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2050 @ 0.00065179 = 1.3362 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 429 @ 0.00460966 = 1.9775 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 617 @ 0.00462397 = 2.853 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 450 @ 0.00462397 = 2.0808 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 0.999 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.48 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 305 @ 0.00459284 = 1.4008 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 1 @ 0.74 BTC [+]
gribble: Time since last block: 37 minutes and 1 second
Bugpowder_: mircea_popescu Awesome! Can't wait to throw up some serious coin on the next round. Maybe we will get some real sports bettors going now
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 387 @ 0.00459284 = 1.7774 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1413 @ 0.00456449 = 6.4496 BTC [-]
gribble: Error: "bc;stats" is not a valid command.
gribble: Error: "bc" is not a valid command.
gribble: Error: "blarch" is not a valid command.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.48 = 0.96 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 900 @ 0.00456449 = 4.108 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 473 @ 0.00462397 = 2.1871 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1427 @ 0.00462511 = 6.6 BTC [+]
Ukto: whats all this about CES ?
Ukto: i saw a random comment that josh@bfl showed up at CED with a couple android devices and a box of fans. x.x
Ukto: wtf did I miss? lol
kakobrekla: you cant say its just a box of fans ya know
Ukto: i dont know anyhting
Ukto: just saw someones comment
Ukto: what, did he show up with a unit, witih fans, and no board?
kakobrekla: that video.. embarasing and hard to watch
Ukto: yeh good enough then hehe
Ukto: i have a petty big card up my sleave atm
Ukto: hoping to pull it on everyone in about a week
Ukto: tat wil make ppl flip with impressiveness. :P
Ukto: might even be beneficial to you
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 787 @ 0.00456449 = 3.5923 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 875 @ 0.00456032 = 3.9903 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 320 @ 0.00456032 = 1.4593 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.00462511 = 2.3126 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 855 @ 0.00462511 = 3.9545 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1045 @ 0.00465713 = 4.8667 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 367 @ 0.00465713 = 1.7092 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 360 @ 0.00465881 = 1.6772 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 884 @ 0.00465881 = 4.1184 BTC [+]
Ukto: i havent had a chance to play to disc 2 yet
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 105 @ 0.00456032 = 0.4788 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 245 @ 0.00454943 = 1.1146 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1687 @ 0.00454943 = 7.6749 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1615 @ 0.0045661 = 7.3743 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.48 = 2.4 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 266 @ 0.0045661 = 1.2146 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 356 @ 0.00465881 = 1.6585 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2950 @ 0.00065179 = 1.9228 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10300 @ 0.0006518 = 6.7135 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1259 @ 0.00467034 = 5.88 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 541 @ 0.00468259 = 2.5333 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00465503 = 4.655 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 750 @ 0.00463405 = 3.4755 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 800 @ 0.00468259 = 3.7461 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 315 @ 0.00468259 = 1.475 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 104 @ 0.00468676 = 0.4874 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.48 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 40 @ 0.48 = 19.2 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10650 @ 0.00065304 = 6.9549 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1050 @ 0.00463405 = 4.8658 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.00463406 = 2.317 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 700 @ 0.00463405 = 3.2438 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 150 @ 0.00462783 = 0.6942 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 450 @ 0.00468383 = 2.1077 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 226 @ 0.00462783 = 1.0459 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 224 @ 0.00460126 = 1.0307 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 150 @ 0.00468383 = 0.7026 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1600 @ 0.00468385 = 7.4942 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 50 @ 0.00468676 = 0.2343 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 593 @ 0.00468676 = 2.7792 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5100 @ 0.00065304 = 3.3305 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00064675 = 6.5969 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7400 @ 0.00064537 = 4.7757 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 253 @ 0.00468676 = 1.1858 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 697 @ 0.00470237 = 3.2776 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 600 @ 0.00470237 = 2.8214 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 203 @ 0.00470237 = 0.9546 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 406 @ 0.00470807 = 1.9115 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 800 @ 0.00464993 = 3.7199 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 200 @ 0.0046461 = 0.9292 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1657 @ 0.00469177 = 7.7743 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 393 @ 0.00469177 = 1.8439 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 300 @ 0.0046461 = 1.3938 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1226 @ 0.00460126 = 5.6411 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 667 @ 0.00457452 = 3.0512 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 148 @ 0.002 = 0.296 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00454863 / 0.00471763 / 0.0048 (310974 shares, 1,467.06 BTC), 7D: 0.00428 / 0.00465741 / 0.0048 (1920758 shares, 8,945.76 BTC), 30D: 0.0014 / 0.00348807 / 0.0048 (14415063 shares, 50,280.85 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 800 @ 0.0045939 = 3.6751 BTC [+]
Schadenfreude: mircea, you dabble in rl-stock, in particular that of pharmaceutical concerns like bayer, novartis, pfizer etc.?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 800 @ 0.0045939 = 3.6751 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 200 @ 0.00459751 = 0.9195 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.00459751 = 2.2988 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 974 @ 0.00459751 = 4.478 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 600 @ 0.00457452 = 2.7447 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 453 @ 0.00457452 = 2.0723 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 74 @ 0.00456456 = 0.3378 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1300 @ 0.00456456 = 5.9339 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.00458264 = 2.2913 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 26 @ 0.00456456 = 0.1187 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 952 @ 0.00455323 = 4.3347 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 522 @ 0.00454914 = 2.3747 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1007 @ 0.00459751 = 4.6297 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 450 @ 0.00462303 = 2.0804 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 435 @ 0.00467307 = 2.0328 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00454915 = 4.5492 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 200 @ 0.00454914 = 0.9098 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1150 @ 0.00454914 = 5.2315 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 600 @ 0.00461263 = 2.7676 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 450 @ 0.00465244 = 2.0936 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1289 @ 0.00064537 = 0.8319 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 511 @ 0.00062772 = 0.3208 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 1 @ 0.0065 BTC
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.007 BTC [-]
pigeons: what does 1 GSDPT = in S.DICE?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 93 @ 0.00454914 = 0.4231 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 826 @ 0.00454863 = 3.7572 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 368 @ 0.00454712 = 1.6733 BTC [-]
FabianB: new main menu on bitfunder :)
gribble: Time since last block: 33 minutes and 45 seconds
FabianB: Ukto: but would be nice if ballance is always visible
Ukto: i have no idea what you are talking about LOL
FabianB: u didnt change the layout?
Ukto: it looks the same to me ?
Ukto: i wanna see what your talking about
Ukto: the only changes I have made in a week is the transfer tab, and bold to normal on the market pge
FabianB: just need to find that screenshot tool, wait
Ukto: press the 'print screen' button
Ukto: should still be able to use print screen
Ukto: will copy the desktop to clipboard
Ukto: to paste into photshop or something
FabianB: now need somewhere to post it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 32 @ 0.00454712 = 0.1455 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 300 @ 0.00454415 = 1.3632 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 903 @ 0.00454181 = 4.1013 BTC [-]
FabianB: is that just me and my browser?
Ukto: expand the width of the window
Ukto: thats ment more for mobile phones etc
Ukto: to click to expand the menu
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 576 @ 0.00454181 = 2.6161 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 74 @ 0.00453569 = 0.3356 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 601 @ 0.00457149 = 2.7475 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 427 @ 0.00457149 = 1.952 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 173 @ 0.0045737 = 0.7913 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 100 @ 0.007 = 0.7 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 436 @ 0.0045737 = 1.9941 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 664 @ 0.00465244 = 3.0892 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 136 @ 0.00465244 = 0.6327 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 64 @ 0.00467307 = 0.2991 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1310 @ 0.00467307 = 6.1217 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 290 @ 0.0046746 = 1.3556 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1449 @ 0.0046746 = 6.7735 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 451 @ 0.00468023 = 2.1108 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 11 @ 0.48 = 5.28 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 912 @ 0.00453569 = 4.1365 BTC [-]
pigeons: i think satoshi dice passthroughs have jumped the shark
FabianB_: Ukto: where can we tip you to consider using assbot ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 907 @ 0.00458755 = 4.1609 BTC [+]
FabianB_: mircea_popescu: he's mad because he implemented the twitter interface first and then got told it's not current anymore i think
pigeons: obviously people will see a bf trade stream by, decide the price is interesting and they should go trade or make an account = profit
pigeons: the Foundation has decreed that from now on BFL, BTC Mag, and Bitpay ARE = "Bitcoin"
mircea_popescu: you should instead contribute to that person's 1050 btc fund
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8250 @ 0.0006578 = 5.4269 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 250 @ 0.00458755 = 1.1469 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 914 @ 0.00453569 = 4.1456 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 558 @ 0.00453301 = 2.5294 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 884 @ 0.00453301 = 4.0072 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 299 @ 0.00458755 = 1.3717 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 649 @ 0.00468023 = 3.0375 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 852 @ 0.00468482 = 3.9915 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 602 @ 0.00453485 = 2.73 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 426 @ 0.00453485 = 1.9318 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3574 @ 0.00454341 = 16.2381 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 200 @ 0.00454189 = 0.9084 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 400 @ 0.00454279 = 1.8171 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: so i got Critticall workin on my forex data, this is the most awesome shit ive seen.
assbot: Provide exchange and ticker.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 14.13148, Best ask: 14.16500, Bid-ask spread: 0.03352, Last trade: 14.13148, 24 hour volume: 47145.03484939, 24 hour low: 13.95000, 24 hour high: 14.34999, 24 hour vwap: 14.15034
Schadenfreude: So, when will the BTC-USD rally crash again in your opinion?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 149 @ 0.00453303 = 0.6754 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1251 @ 0.00453301 = 5.6708 BTC [-]
Anduck: Schadenfreude: what rally?
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 14.21501, Best ask: 14.22600, Bid-ask spread: 0.01099, Last trade: 14.21501, 24 hour volume: 42917.05982446, 24 hour low: 13.95000, 24 hour high: 14.34999, 24 hour vwap: 14.14843
Schadenfreude: I sold some spare BTC and will prolly buy some again when it drops 5% orso
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1400 @ 0.00462102 = 6.4694 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 4 @ 0.33 = 1.32 BTC
Schadenfreude: Meh, mining bonds/stocks aren't too bad - early on.
mircea_popescu: Please note: Cryptobill should not be considered a secure method of transferring a significant amount of BTC. Since, according to the Federal Reserve, the life span of a US dollar bill is less than five years, it is also not recommended to use Cryptobill to store bitcoins for a significant length of time. Administrators of Cryptobill.com reserve the right to import BTC left at addresses for more than five years.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1184 @ 0.00462102 = 5.4713 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1176 @ 0.00462102 = 5.4343 BTC [+]
jurov: markedathome, +1. it made me preemptively confirm the details on #bitvps. also, 'merican date format (but am perhaps accustomed already).
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1100 @ 0.00460762 = 5.0684 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00460762 = 4.6076 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 386 @ 0.00458667 = 1.7705 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 350 @ 0.00458667 = 1.6053 BTC [-]
Ukto: wtf is cryptobills ?
Ukto: there is an irc user "weex"
Ukto: i wouldnt ut up a site that.. err n/m
Ukto: i have something far better
FabianB_: a bitfunder assbot connection.. can we bribe you Ukto ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 650 @ 0.00462102 = 3.0037 BTC [+]
FabianB_: well, in case it generates too much traffic you could open it for active coinbr accounts only :)
jurov: no, in fact i plan to put ads there.
FabianB_: yeah, the more mpex grows, u'll be the bitcoincharts of mpex
jurov: in fact, if anyone would be so bright and came up with sound business model, i'm sure we could do some contract for running it
jurov: but sadly, that's scarce commodity in this community
jurov: cause i'm lazy. let someone other maintain it, i'll just milk
Ukto: FabianB_: as I have todl the otherw
Ukto: once i get done wiht a big thing right now
Ukto: that I am trying to get launched
Ukto: you will get assbot
Ukto: as a weexchagne user
Ukto: i think you will be happy with this. :
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3293 @ 0.0006592 = 2.1707 BTC [+]
jurov: everything online afaik
Schadenfreude: Might try it out once I converted a bit of spare cash into BTC later
Schadenfreude: S.DICE seems tempting, dividend wise, don't know about any other MPEX-asset
assbot: Did you kill the white man who killed you?
jurov: !ticker glbse milk
assbot: You cannot stop the clouds by the building of a ship.
kakobrekla: 0.1337 btc to whoever figues out where it comes from
kakobrekla: Schadenfreude, sent, now go spend it on hookers and blow on coinbr
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu, you are missing out, go watch dead man
mircea_popescu: last film i watched i nearly ended up beating innocent girls
Schadenfreude: Ah, I assume the movie portrays commies as the good guys?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 850 @ 0.00461252 = 3.9206 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 538 @ 0.00462102 = 2.4861 BTC [+]
Schadenfreude: I like the way Caucescau~ was dealt with in Romania
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 103 @ 0.00460688 = 0.4745 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1100 @ 0.00460688 = 5.0676 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1391 @ 0.00462102 = 6.4278 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 97 @ 0.00460688 = 0.4469 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 847 @ 0.00458667 = 3.8849 BTC [-]
jurov: It is purely internal, to wit, the fact that you are worthless as a human being, have no point in this world and your opinions do not matter.
jurov: i mean, the rest of reply is fine, i like mpoe-pr. but i don't see any useful purpose to such statements
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1817 @ 0.00458667 = 8.334 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 83 @ 0.00458437 = 0.3805 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 4167 @ 0.00462102 = 19.2558 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 300 @ 0.00457025 = 1.3711 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 189 @ 0.00453297 = 0.8567 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1400 @ 0.0045328 = 6.3459 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1200 @ 0.00453124 = 5.4375 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 611 @ 0.0045308 = 2.7683 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1200 @ 0.00462102 = 5.5452 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 750 @ 0.00462102 = 3.4658 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 300 @ 0.00462102 = 1.3863 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 5 @ 0.3299 = 1.6495 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 3 @ 0.33 = 0.99 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 308 @ 0.00455423 = 1.4027 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 342 @ 0.00453081 = 1.5495 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.48 = 0.96 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 658 @ 0.00453081 = 2.9813 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 189 @ 0.0045308 = 0.8563 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 653 @ 0.00453006 = 2.9581 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: buyers are still overbidding one another in the S.BBET post-IPO period. Now 100001 bit
assbot: [MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0.002 / 0.002 / 0.002 (148 shares, 0.30 BTC), 7D: 0.000337 / 0.00068004 / 0.0035 (1991241 shares, 1,354.13 BTC), 30D: 0.000337 / 0.00068004 / 0.0035 (1991241 shares, 1,354.13 BTC)
assbot: [HAVELOCK:SDICE] 1D: 0.48000000 / 0.48 / 0.48000000 (64 shares, 30.72000000 BTC), 7D: 0.47500000 / 0.48099029 / 0.50999999 (1853 shares, 891.27499998 BTC), 30D: 0.37000000 / 0.44956487 / 0.62000000 (3137 shares, 1410.28499998 BTC)
Bugpowder: Trying to get some real estate data for an idea I'm working on... looked up the founder of property shark.com and he is now in Cluj
kakobrekla: time one times one times two times one
mircea_popescu: anyway, romania real estate is fucked, whatever he asks for offer half.
dub: neat, ff has blocked java?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 431 @ 0.00457266 = 1.9708 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 297 @ 0.00453006 = 1.3454 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 24 @ 0.00452995 = 0.1087 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: no I'm thinking of doing price optimization for US luxury RE
Bugpowder: I think we can develop an algorithm that destroys zillow
Bugpowder: If it works, I'm sure many people will want to
Bugpowder: monte carlo does not take much power dude
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1476 @ 0.00452995 = 6.6862 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1250 @ 0.00452938 = 5.6617 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 174 @ 0.0045293 = 0.7881 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: mircea_popescu, if your exchange has the capital to support a $1BB market cap, then we can talk
Bugpowder: when I have something more than a napkin sketch
mircea_popescu: by this time next year mpex will have many times the total BTC M3 in mkt cap
mircea_popescu: and a good chunk of btc trade to fiat will be winding and unwinding of mpex positions
mircea_popescu: with s.mpoe acting as a sort of bitcoin federal reserve notes
mircea_popescu: (inelastic commodity overpriced through reservation demand)
mircea_popescu: yes thestringpuller . nominal 21mn, actualised like 12.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 726 @ 0.0045293 = 3.2883 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1050 @ 0.00452833 = 4.7547 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 900 @ 0.00452616 = 4.0735 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 424 @ 0.0045252 = 1.9187 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.0045252 / 0.0045811 / 0.00470807 (166931 shares, 764.73 BTC), 7D: 0.00430002 / 0.00467389 / 0.0048 (1865198 shares, 8,717.74 BTC), 30D: 0.0014 / 0.00349631 / 0.0048 (14501819 shares, 50,702.91 BTC)
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 14.19002, Best ask: 14.23699, Bid-ask spread: 0.04697, Last trade: 14.19002, 24 hour volume: 26935.14538155, 24 hour low: 13.97500, 24 hour high: 14.33800, 24 hour vwap: 14.16725
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1500 @ 0.00457307 = 6.8596 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 45 @ 0.00457307 = 0.2058 BTC [+]
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: 15:39 < mircea_popescu> with s.mpoe acting as a sort of bitcoin federal reserve notes <-- careful making statements like that, unless you are deliberately trying to make a target of yourself.
mircea_popescu: in truth, i'm a better target than most btc people, someone will have to be a target for the common good, what am i to do ?
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: "TIL since 1950, every US shooting which has killed three or more people (except for the Congresswoman Gifford shooting) has taken place in areas where citizens are not allowed to carry guns."
mircea_popescu: and the congresswoman shooting was so clearly a statal political assasination it bleeds.
mircea_popescu: til : according to sillypedia, the us and canada both are failed states.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1450 @ 0.00462102 = 6.7005 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 316 @ 0.00461956 = 1.4598 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: >offtopic - i am curious though how mpex has killed off the stupid bullshit prices of mining 'stocks' 'bonds' whatever you wanna callem when mpex primarily has its own asset, two gambling assets, and hosting company, and no miners? again, nothing aginst the type/quality/number of assets on mpex, just comparing types.. are you meaning overall btc price adjustments? i think the impressive
kakobrekla: pricing for stocks issued on mpex have done some pretty neat things esp. for each other, just not sure how it effects other types of 'assets' on other markets. not trying to be rude, just want your thoughts on it in a conversely manner.
dub: using IE like a boss
Bugpowder: I feel like making a little graphic for people
Bugpowder: there is no embedded graphics on the forum right?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.48 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: how does a cinema opening up run the old cafe's out of business ? well... cause the kids go to the cinema instead.
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder i rtell you this much, if you make a whatever killer and don't list it i'll be heartbroken
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 176 @ 0.0045252 = 0.7964 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 224 @ 0.00452444 = 1.0135 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: mircea_popescu If my thing works, it will probably be acquired before it can go public. Think mint.com. 3 years after it was founded, Intuit bought it for $170MM
Bugpowder: Baltimore is definitley going to cover now
Bugpowder: Flacco threw that 60 yeards in the air, in 0F weather.
Bugpowder: I don't think anyone thought he could throw the ball so far
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 550 @ 0.00455459 = 2.505 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: automatically links to all your accounts
Bugpowder: I just use matlab for anything real
Bugpowder: and pretty good revenue model with targeted ads
thestringpuller: so I can push data in and have a pretty graphic come out the other end
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 800 @ 0.00452444 = 3.6196 BTC [-]
gribble: smickles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 days, 6 hours, 53 minutes, and 23 seconds ago: <smickles> ;;ticker
Bugpowder: man S.DICE is getting pounded tonight
mircea_popescu: if this won't sink the entire copyright thing i don't know what will.
Bugpowder: Wellcome, HHMI, NIH are requiring everything be posted to open access server within 6 months of publication
TradeFortress: Probably because I unsubb'd from a lot of the spammy ones
Bugpowder: I only see it if I'm not logged in
Ukto: so he martyr'd himself
Ukto: dont take (younger?) people to fed court over downloading BOOKS
Ukto: and thretening with years in prison and fines
Ukto: mircea_popescu: from the topic i think were on the same page
Ukto: you know, i write a program, and want to be paid for it, do ihave to right to put someone i prison for years because they wanted to use it?
Ukto: sure i want to get paid for my work.. but at what expense?
Bugpowder: JSTOR isn't paying the authors of the work
Ukto: the government killed him. with their inadequat copyright system
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 16 @ 0.00455459 = 0.0729 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 484 @ 0.00459701 = 2.225 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: some asswipe can burn themselves with mcdo coffee and get a ton in civil
Bugpowder: most of these journals charge to publish in them
Ukto: mircea_popescu: actually i believe that they settled. they didnt "win"
mircea_popescu: i wanna see jstor hauled off to jail like, completely. charged with murder 1, let the judge decide.
Ukto: no precident was made. on the mcd coffee
mircea_popescu: how many people work for them ? a coupla hundred ? should make a nice trial.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 550 @ 0.00452444 = 2.4884 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: There is some value that top journals like Nature provide, via good editorial staff, reviewers, etc, and its reasonable that they have the right to charge for access to the papers, for a time long enough to encourage revenue from the 'professionals' but short enough so that the public can access publicly funded research for free.
Bugpowder: most of the shit on JSTOR is old though
Bugpowder: like I bet the mean age is 30 years old
Bugpowder: After 3-6 months, that shit should be public
Bugpowder: if your business model doesn't allow it, then let google do it for you
mircea_popescu: if your "business model" doesn't allow it you'ren ot in business
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 14.27395, Best ask: 14.29500, Bid-ask spread: 0.02105, Last trade: 14.27395, 24 hour volume: 26689.26805920, 24 hour low: 13.97500, 24 hour high: 14.33800, 24 hour vwap: 14.16793
Bugpowder: So. What do you think the next trade of S.BBET will go off at?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 731 @ 0.00452444 = 3.3074 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: “There are only two options to deal with the debt limit: Congress can pay its bills or it can fail to act and put the nation into default," Carney said.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 14.27391, Best ask: 14.27395, Bid-ask spread: 0.00004, Last trade: 14.27396, 24 hour volume: 26546.17593283, 24 hour low: 13.97500, 24 hour high: 14.33800, 24 hour vwap: 14.16749
mircea_popescu: "When congressional Republicans played politics with this issue last time, putting us at the edge of default, it was a blow to our economic recovery, causing our nation’s credit rating to be downgraded. The president and the American people won’t tolerate congressional Republicans holding the American economy hostage again simply so they can force disastrous cuts to Medicare and other programs the middle class dep
mircea_popescu: end on while protecting the wealthy. Congress needs to do its job.”
mircea_popescu: since when the fuck does the president "tolerate" congress
Bugpowder: All spending bills must originate in the house
Bugpowder: I just keep seeing my bitcoin investments increasing exponentially in $ terms
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder back in like august i wrote a piece about "how do the jooz make money"
mircea_popescu: showing sometyhing like in april 1bn s.mpoe x 9k satoshi x 5 usd per btc x 3 ron / usd = x
mircea_popescu: and then in august 1bn x 27k satoshi x 11 usd/btc x 3.5 ron/ usd = many times x
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 14.20001, Best ask: 14.27000, Bid-ask spread: 0.06999, Last trade: 14.20001, 24 hour volume: 26605.19759356, 24 hour low: 13.97500, 24 hour high: 14.33800, 24 hour vwap: 14.16738
mircea_popescu: Lukas met with Tom yesterday to discuss the transfer of ownership. We followed up that meeting with a request to meet in the evening so that we could provide a cash-out offer. He declined the meeting and let us know that we could meet today.
mircea_popescu: Today, he has not responded to any of our attempts to contact him. No one was at home, his was not at his office. At this time, Tom's whereabouts are unknown to us.
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C140T] 5 @ 0.14775821 = 0.7388 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: With regard to BTC refunds, I have sent all refund requests to Tom for processing. I have also processed all credit card refund requests at this time. I can't guarantee that the funds were there to back these refunds - I have no way to know this, and Tom never confirmed having done the bank transfer. At this point, if you are thinking of sending me a refund request, I recommend you do a chargeback instead.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 700 @ 0.00455927 = 3.1915 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 35 @ 0.42 = 14.7 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder not a scam to start with, just some dumbass sering the bfl scam and thinking why not me
Bugpowder: I think we finally found an exchange that is uglier than MPEX
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 1 @ 0.0063 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 1 @ 0.0064 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 1 @ 0.0068 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: Send the corresponding amount in uncolored bitcoins to 1FL8nGQzRF6j39566viJQ12KnYeBY9kurm
mircea_popescu: Notify us on notification11122@dudmail.com and include the address where you want to receive the colored coins.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 1000 @ 0.002 = 2 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: nervous about regret selling at .002
mircea_popescu: if the forum ppl hear about this buying 6 selling 20 they may have a stroke
mircea_popescu: Ive been in talks with members from the Bitcoin community and thank God
mircea_popescu: it Looks more like the Bitcoin community itself will be buying this company - not some un-known asian company
mircea_popescu: the mob running las vegas in the 70s is nowherhe near as incompetent
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 550 @ 0.00455927 = 2.5076 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 639 @ 0.00459701 = 2.9375 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 1000 @ 0.002 = 2 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: he's part of the people getting fucked in the ass (tm)
mircea_popescu: this is how these scams unwind, pirate ruined a bunch of names which hung on to him for no reason
mircea_popescu: other than the sickly desire of attention social media builds in kids.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 127 @ 0.00459701 = 0.5838 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 899 @ 0.00462102 = 4.1543 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.41 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 10 @ 0.4009 = 4.009 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: These new people have a few things the project can really use: active involvement with Bitcoin, technical expertise, connections, experience, money. No its not any of our competitors. You will learn who the players are only when the deal is done and everything is nailed down.
mircea_popescu: Due to the delay with chip fab, the new team believes we *must* provide proof-of-tech. Tomorrow I will post up a hard date by which we will deliver a video showing a hashing unit. This will not be a production unit, but it will show that the hard work has been done (the chips work, the PCB design is complete).
mircea_popescu: so tom is walking away but the chips work abnd the pcb is complete.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1200 @ 0.00452787 = 5.4334 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1577 @ 0.00462102 = 7.2873 BTC [+]
Ukto: mircea_popescu: well it makes sense.
Ukto: you work on a project
Ukto: get it to a succesful place, then dissapear.
mircea_popescu: just like bfl, the chips are ready no wait we're redoing the design
Ukto: although.. even if bfl was a long con.. by now ppl have probably stopped putting money in I would think
Ukto: showing up with a box of fans and nothing at a convention.. at least it shows they are not just taking and runing and afraid of saying 'i havenothing to show at the moment' and scaring off possible investors
Ukto: from one point of view
kakobrekla: haha some fun bets on bitbet just poped
mircea_popescu: in fact, i think the girl's june date is just about like she said september about pirate at the outer edge
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3318 @ 0.00462102 = 15.3325 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 888 @ 0.00462103 = 4.1035 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1850 @ 0.00462556 = 8.5573 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2950 @ 0.00462874 = 13.6548 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 700 @ 0.00463215 = 3.2425 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1550 @ 0.00463678 = 7.187 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1276 @ 0.0046371 = 5.9169 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2900 @ 0.0046373 = 13.4482 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3400 @ 0.00464814 = 15.8037 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 300 @ 0.00465244 = 1.3957 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1450 @ 0.00465486 = 6.7495 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 650 @ 0.00466218 = 3.0304 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1250 @ 0.00466792 = 5.8349 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 950 @ 0.00466833 = 4.4349 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1450 @ 0.00467187 = 6.7742 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00467874 = 4.6787 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 348 @ 0.00468482 = 1.6303 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 300 @ 0.00468761 = 1.4063 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 650 @ 0.00469235 = 3.05 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 550 @ 0.00469341 = 2.5814 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1750 @ 0.00470507 = 8.2339 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1144 @ 0.00470807 = 5.386 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 400 @ 0.00471703 = 1.8868 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1250 @ 0.00472245 = 5.9031 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1300 @ 0.00472495 = 6.1424 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1700 @ 0.00472684 = 8.0356 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1220 @ 0.00472805 = 5.7682 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 919 @ 0.00472828 = 4.3453 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: people need to learn to fund the fucking proposal
assbot: Provide exchange and ticker.
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00452444 / 0.00459854 / 0.00472828 (192194 shares, 883.81 BTC), 7D: 0.00430002 / 0.00467394 / 0.0048 (1909355 shares, 8,924.22 BTC), 30D: 0.0014 / 0.00350031 / 0.0048 (14545216 shares, 50,912.81 BTC)
Bugpowder: "some fun bets on bitbet just poped"
Bugpowder: put 5 down on both sides and collect bank
assbot: [MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0.002 / 0.002 / 0.002 (2148 shares, 4.30 BTC), 7D: 0.000337 / 0.00068136 / 0.0035 (1993241 shares, 1,358.13 BTC), 30D: 0.000337 / 0.00068136 / 0.0035 (1993241 shares, 1,358.13 BTC)
mircea_popescu: i guess for many peoples it's an income thing, propose a bet, get it accepted, make some .btc
Bugpowder: how much do you make by doing that?
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 14.17001, Best ask: 14.19000, Bid-ask spread: 0.01999, Last trade: 14.17001, 24 hour volume: 24989.69632575, 24 hour low: 13.97500, 24 hour high: 14.33800, 24 hour vwap: 14.16527
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 600 @ 0.00469469 = 2.8168 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.00452444 = 2.2622 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: kakobrekla: heh, ever since that new federal law, yes it is
Diablo-D3: (even though you cant huff canned air)
Diablo-D3: I used to get a six pack of canned air for 12 dollars
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2150 @ 0.00452444 = 9.7275 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: I quit buying canned air, I use an air compressor now
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1212 @ 0.00452444 = 5.4836 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3788 @ 0.00452443 = 17.1385 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 4 @ 0.73 = 2.92 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: and avalon wont be shipping until late feb
mircea_popescu: so far we have a list of 4-5 scams of which one blew and the motherlode is blowing
kakobrekla: asic miner will make lots of coin prolly
Bugpowder: I have seen no evidence that asicminer has working asices
mircea_popescu: well, they were supposed to be ready in a week 10 days ago
mircea_popescu: and i guess the sending prototypes to community was silently dropped
gribble: Current Blocks: 216319 | Current Difficulty: 3249549.5844872 | Next Difficulty At Block: 217727 | Next Difficulty In: 1408 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 23 hours, 36 minutes, and 32 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 2896792.17443539 | Estimated Percent Change: -10.8555786234
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.476 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: at this rate I might actually take the time to claim my gigamining shares
mircea_popescu: Coinster.info is a new search engine, the world's first specifically for crypto-currencies like Bitcoin. However, giving users a search engine isn't the main goal. Coinster is meant to be a connection platform, with emphasis on connecting people locally to trade goods and services.
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-GOLD] 1 @ 0.0396 BTC
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 9 @ 0.0069 = 0.0621 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: I tried to make it as accurate as possible
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1900 @ 0.00452443 = 8.5964 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: I have probably officially lost my office NFL pool.
Bugpowder: hopefully I can make up for the losses with coin wins.
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.01 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 5 @ 0.476 = 2.38 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 300 @ 0.00452443 = 1.3573 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1012 @ 0.00452443 = 4.5787 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 650 @ 0.00452105 = 2.9387 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1693 @ 0.00451817 = 7.6493 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LTC-MINING] 5 @ 0.44 = 2.2 BTC
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 44 @ 0.0068 = 0.2992 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 502 @ 0.00456647 = 2.2924 BTC [+]
Ukto: speaking of jiggamining
Ukto: mircea_popescu: did you ever figure out the whole PT stuff for that?
Ukto: or just left it as it was for now?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 598 @ 0.00458615 = 2.7425 BTC [+]
Ukto: its still at the not claiming point right?
Ukto: or did you guys work that out
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.476 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 2 @ 0.73 = 1.46 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 602 @ 0.00456741 = 2.7496 BTC [-]
mod6: how's it goin tonight -assets?
mod6: and.. i even saw a post on btctalk from usagi!
mod6: well, whomever it was posted it with usagi's account
Namworld: Also, what about basic? As for Usagi, I'm pretty unmoved. He started getting active again and paying some BTC on his stocks. That's at least some more I'll be getting back.
Diablo-D3: well, sadly, DMC's dividend was paid to him
mod6: oh that one got some attention quick!
mod6: i was just reading about the btcfpga stuff.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1047 @ 0.00461927 = 4.8364 BTC [+]
mod6: ya.. i was wonderin if it would go the same as BFL
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 15 @ 0.3206 = 4.809 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 15 @ 0.3205 = 4.8075 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 35 @ 0.3204 = 11.214 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 35 @ 0.3202 = 11.207 BTC [-]
mod6: ya, there you have it i guess.
Diablo-D3: its going down harder than... YOUR MOM.
assbot: Yeah. No damn tobacco, that's for sure.
assbot: I cooked, I cleaned, and I sewed, and I have a right to get--
assbot: [BTCT:BASIC-MINING] 1D: 0.3202 / 0.3218 / 0.33 (117 shares, 37.6 BTC), 7D: 0.3105 / 0.33 / 0.33 (379 shares, 123.8 BTC), 30D: 0.3105 / 0.33 / 0.33 (1163 shares, 382.4 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX:S.BVPS] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: / / ( shares, BTC), 30D: 0.00200003 / 0.0033336 / 0.0067 (13238 shares, 44.13 BTC)
mod6: Namworld says he's gonna do it.
mod6: that was to thestringpuller's q
mod6: and they have colored monthly statements going forward.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 850 @ 0.00470763 = 4.0015 BTC [+]
mod6: and iirc there are still >100 active vps'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 3000 @ 0.002 = 6 BTC [+]
mod6: yeah, it really narrowed quick after that stock dump lol
thestringpuller: Network Difficulty under 20 million for 2 months...isn't that like a futures?
Namworld: Indeed. But that goes with expenses. Seems like we'll have a lot of expenses in the following months.
mod6: sorry, got cornfused.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7700 @ 0.0006458 = 4.9727 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 641 @ 0.00470763 = 3.0176 BTC [+]
mod6: ok sweet. darn you 'nobootwait' flag!
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.0069 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.007 BTC [+]
mod6: ok nice, now i've got my new vols attached finally.
mod6: /dev/xvdf 197G 188M 187G 1% /mnt/extVol
mod6: kinda new to this AWS stuff
mod6: time for a lunch break
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 859 @ 0.00462544 = 3.9733 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1400 @ 0.00463298 = 6.4862 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 73 @ 0.00464434 = 0.339 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 14.20001, Best ask: 14.26321, Bid-ask spread: 0.06320, Last trade: 14.20001, 24 hour volume: 17059.92244125, 24 hour low: 13.97500, 24 hour high: 14.31173, 24 hour vwap: 14.13523
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 400 @ 0.00462763 = 1.8511 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 670 @ 0.00063814 = 0.4276 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 700 @ 0.000631 = 0.4417 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7343 @ 0.00063 = 4.6261 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 327 @ 0.00464434 = 1.5187 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 1 @ 0.72 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 1 @ 0.7 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 479 @ 0.01 = 4.79 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 21 @ 0.01 = 0.21 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 200 @ 0.00472828 = 0.9457 BTC [+]
Namworld: BTC-BOND, always a nice choice
Schadenfreude: Figured it's the safest one - 0.03% no matter what and you're plausible
Schadenfreude: Unlike the guy from ESECURITYSABTC - 1.3% a week ontop of being afiliated with a company that hosts HYIP scams for a living
Namworld: It's not ridiculous if he funds servers with the funds... but I don't see why anyone would borrow at that rate.
Schadenfreude: With you... 10% a year, a borrower can live with that and it's above inflation for me, but 70%?!
Namworld: Well the server will save you a lot in monthly rent of server.
Namworld: Usually will save you more than the server cost within a year.
Namworld: But again, still very high... why would anyone borrow at those rates?
Namworld: If they can borrow for much cheaper...
Schadenfreude: I emailed him, he replies from admin@koddos.com, company exists and operates, but those rates...
Schadenfreude: It's the main reason I haven't invested anything significant in him yet
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 873 @ 0.00467921 = 4.085 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 243 @ 0.00467684 = 1.1365 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 57 @ 0.00472828 = 0.2695 BTC [+]
Schadenfreude: And I'm trying to get to the bottom of the ESECURITYSABTC bond
Schadenfreude: If it proves to be legit, there are enough bonds left to invest, if not, it'll be hopefully gone
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 508 @ 0.00472828 = 2.402 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 342 @ 0.00472867 = 1.6172 BTC [+]
Schadenfreude: MPEX itself isn't that bad, its PR-chick is terrible at PR tho
Schadenfreude: I mean MPEX is great for some corporate guy or banker to get into BTC, because that kind of setup is familiar to him
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 650 @ 0.00464027 = 3.0162 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 100 @ 0.00464027 = 0.464 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1250 @ 0.0046402 = 5.8003 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 358 @ 0.00472867 = 1.6929 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 592 @ 0.00472883 = 2.7995 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 779 @ 0.0046402 = 3.6147 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 78 @ 0.007 = 0.546 BTC [+]
FabianB_: Current weight: 78`758 ( from 100`000 to 90`000 ) <-- how can that be kakobrekla ?
markedathome: OOI whatever happened to the glbse prediction market?
mircea_popescu: The problem with prediction markets is the market maker. If it is automated like the one that is on the GLBSE prediction market now then it will eventually lose money. That model is only used by places that don't use real money.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 184 @ 0.00474447 = 0.873 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 748 @ 0.00474535 = 3.5495 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: thestringpuller It's not over yet...
jurov: yes, pirate...maybe it's that time of year again
mircea_popescu: someone should start a poll "Who do we hate more, Inaba or MPOE-PR"
FabianB: i think that pirateat40 had the same ip/isp as someone who just joined
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: is a grumpy old man who yells at kids to get off his yard
FabianB: 17:54 -!- pirateat40 [~m@178.115.249.183.wireless.dyn.drei.com] has joined #bitcoin-assets
FabianB: 17:55 -!- Schadenfreude [~m@178.115.249.183.wireless.dyn.drei.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
FabianB: 17:56 < pirateat40> sup guise, anyone up for a lucrative investment?
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: why have you not gotten into currency exchange?
FabianB: maybe only if the RON were internationally widely used currency
mircea_popescu: the ron actually is pretty strong, as far as eu currencies go.
mircea_popescu: it isn't however the policy of the nbr to make it an intl reserve at all, and we're friends so, i wouldn't expose it in btc trade.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 125 @ 0.002 = 0.25 BTC [+]
FabianB: it's probably not hard for romanians to send RON converted to EUR to one of the EUR exchanges, is it?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BVPS] 40 @ 0.00635541 = 0.2542 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40 @ 0.00063268 = 0.0253 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: it's a tiny currency backed by a lot of gold and the world's best (currenly) nat'l bank governor.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 52 @ 0.00472283 = 0.2456 BTC [-]
FabianB: but probably interesting if eur/us want to do business in romania
mircea_popescu: interesting if eur/us wants money the eur/us can't steal
FabianB: romania never considered the euro?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 355 @ 0.00063268 = 0.2246 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: were you asking me why mining doesn't happen or why i don;t do it ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 898 @ 0.00472283 = 4.2411 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 352 @ 0.00474535 = 1.6704 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: you said it has no competitive advantage could you elaborate?
jurov: but there's enough time, maybe she can make a little effort in meantime
dub: there are two taakis presenting
jurov: and i'm looking into something more succinct
mircea_popescu: jurov just ftr, MPEx doesn't care if you buldgeon people into a pulp.
jurov: someone should arrange a cagefight match. or mudfight. with full bitbet coverage.
Diablo-D3: Im just confused at why they did what they did
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 100 @ 0.00474535 = 0.4745 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1200 @ 0.00474591 = 5.6951 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: yeah, but why intentionally give up so much money?
Diablo-D3: same goes with nefario and the rest
jurov: in other news, i was being asked wrt usign coinbr to do mpex passthroughs on ltcglobal
jurov: "starting off with 5 BTC worth of each"
jurov: i was being all polite and professional... but 5BTC, orly?
dub: thats like trillions of ltc tho rite?
jurov: plus, for it to be set up properly, they have to vote about it
thestringpuller: EskimoBob: what is your deal with being an uninformed troll?
dub: its a disgrace to trolling
jurov: anyway my deal with mpex is implementing frontend to functions that mpex later deprecates
jurov: first STAT, then WITHDRAW
jurov: and judging from today's unhappenings, DEPOSIT is next
jurov: at least stat was superseded with statjson, to give some credit
thestringpuller: EskimoBob: Did MPOE-PR piss you off so much that you want to go to thermonuclear war with MPEX?
thestringpuller: it seems all you deep seeded hatred for MPEX is due to MPOE-PR
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 265 @ 0.00474591 = 1.2577 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 600 @ 0.00474912 = 2.8495 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2000 @ 0.00474965 = 9.4993 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 149 @ 0.00474969 = 0.7077 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: man, Ill pay her 1.1 a day to quit mpoe-pr and do dmc-pr
Diablo-D3: EskimoBob: and afaik shes fucking the boss anyhow
dub: she gets paid while she's getting paid
mircea_popescu: <Diablo-D3> man, Ill pay her 1.1 a day to quit mpoe-pr and do dmc-pr << now that's nice.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1315 @ 0.00474969 = 6.2458 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 501 @ 0.00475053 = 2.38 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1521 @ 0.00475127 = 7.2267 BTC [+]
jurov: ROTA vs. The Human Dildo
dub: Human Dildo II: Deep seeding
dub: there was edward penis hands
jurov: eskimo, srs. can't you fap outside this channel?
jurov: we're tired of wiping that shit
thestringpuller: This site is currently in beta. Nothing is verified. Everything is virtual. Do your homework. Watch out for scams. Be diligent.
kakobrekla: >In Debian project parlance, the term stable means that the software is no longer under active development or widespread use and that the authors are long dead
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 617 @ 0.00469701 = 2.8981 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: kakobreakla I posted a varient NFL bet with shallow decay, I think it will perform better than the existing one. Please approve. Big funding already sent
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 0.9 BTC [-]
Schadenfreude: I thought something more classic, like Busson or Bolgar
Schadenfreude: Well, he wanted to duel so why not do it semi-properly, at least
kakobrekla: Dammit now i gotta watch it till the end again.
Schadenfreude: Kakobrekla, ever seen The Student from Prague or Der Untertan?
kakobrekla: ill check it out if you think its worthy
Schadenfreude: If you find an english translation for them, they're pretty good
dub: from the 'overheard in goldman sachs elevator' twitter feed - The most and least successful people all share the same trait: thinking they.re never wrong.
dub: EskimoBob: where do you fall?
dub: #1: A chick I banged once and haven't seen since just added me on LinkedIn. #2: She wants you to give her 'the business' again.
Schadenfreude: Most successful people wouldn't be successful if they didn't *accurately* gauge their abbilities
mircea_popescu: I’m 19th century sexy – pale skin and a fat ass, and fortunately, a fatter wallet.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 40 @ 0.00457135 = 0.1829 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1185 @ 0.00454328 = 5.3838 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 10 @ 0.325 = 3.25 BTC [+]
Namworld: Well, considering the large amount of preorders and that they pulled off making an FPGA... I know making an ASIC is incredibly harder and expensive.
Namworld: But if one is to deliver ASICs, that would be BFL.
Namworld: Although I seriously doubt their specs
Namworld: But they had enough funds to get an ASIC developed.
kakobrekla: i know for 2 more people that have enough funds, without taking preorders in the public
mircea_popescu: Namworld i don't think a couple million is enough funds
kakobrekla: >>the difference is pretty high and so risks of failure - 150nm - $80k, 130nm - $200k, 90nm - $400k, 65nm - $800k - to get sample round. but with 90nm - it is 120 TH/s just in single engineering shot.
kakobrekla: >>physical verification (i.e. I give to physical verification engineer design + test vectors) - is about $30k and 1 month delay - but that dramatically reduces failure chances.
mircea_popescu: yes. here's the thing : i was for a time working with a printing business.
mircea_popescu: every given run cost between 20k and i think at most i ever signed off on a 95k typo bill.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: how much was the printing firms start up costs, and how long have they been in operation?
mircea_popescu: and the great advantage of the printing business is that you don't need to pay the author at all.
mircea_popescu: he's happy with 50 cents per copy and his name on the cover.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller it was small, i wasn't there when it started up and it meanwhile folded
kakobrekla: final installation w power w cooling w/o case is extra 2$ per W
mircea_popescu: so now here's the thing : your 500-1mn per wafer run costs are correct,
mircea_popescu: but they're also 10 to 1% of the actual cost of delivering a finished product.
dub: for superior thermal profile
dub: or is it how you attach your clock registers
kakobrekla: registers will be added in the next fail
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu note the hot glue errywhere
dub: I actually dont have a problem with that
dub: those fuckers would have wiggled free eventually
jurov: or a reason to get a cat
dub: we could have got a rabbit to pick glbse stocks for a fund and see if it did better than usagi
kakobrekla: thestringpuller, i was helping fizzisist at the start with fpga, then i was workin with bitfury for a while to get his last batch out and now im also working for ET/TML in a way
jurov: rather a hamster, less space/upkeep
dub: of course we'd run out fo LSD
mircea_popescu: then i got to the table. deprived's fund made 20% in an interval ltc/btc went in his favour 50%
jurov: yea, brace ur. exactly this thing is going to invest into mpex and operate a pt ;)
dub: hard to take srsly, all this detailed info and analysis about enough money to buy mcdonalds
dub: fear not, he has withdrawn half the balance from such and such exchange to secure a badly cooked steak against further loss
pigeons: i made enough money to buy mcdonalds but i pissed it away so fast
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00454329 = 4.5433 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 115 @ 0.00454328 = 0.5225 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 985 @ 0.00453792 = 4.4699 BTC [-]
pigeons: remember kids, "if you don't believe in BFL, then you don't believe in bitcoin."
mircea_popescu: if the troop of "financiers" acting up on glbse had followed the same route
dub: it seems like masturbation more than anything
dub: he could make more money WORKING at mcdonalds
dub: than writing all this forum fluff
jurov: oh he actually announced the passthrough below the last results
jurov: specifically states he needs to "cover 0.09 BTC/month brokerage fee"
jurov: yea that will be tough
dub: might need to go to the tooth fairy for a loan
pigeons: i remember when i found out my parents are the tooth fairy. i still don't know how they afford to buy every kid's teeth and how they sneak into the bedrooms and get back
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 4 @ 0.011 = 0.044 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 650 @ 0.00453792 = 2.9496 BTC [-]
pigeons: "I believe so much in bitcoin that I wear this fucking button each day" --micon
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1300 @ 0.00457753 = 5.9508 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 254 @ 0.00459432 = 1.167 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 165 @ 0.00453792 = 0.7488 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 384 @ 0.00452778 = 1.7387 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1763 @ 0.00452146 = 7.9713 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C120T] 800 @ 0.15603262 = 124.8261 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C120T] 200 @ 0.15603262 = 31.2065 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C110T] 720 @ 0.21996239 = 158.3729 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: >>Inaba, According to a couple of your posts in the BFL forums, there was going to be some kind of announcement from BFL, either today or tomorrow which should add some clarity to the current situation. Is this still true?
kakobrekla: >Yep, I've been working on it this afternoon. It's almost done and will be posted soon. I've tried to answer all the questions that have been asked so far and I don't think I've missed anything.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1432 @ 0.00452471 = 6.4794 BTC [+]
TradeFortress: If you want to get the returns of MPOE bonds without actually buying them, PM me
JWU42: "Update should be within the hour. Tomorrow some packaged chips should be shipping back to assembly to test some rigs is my bet."
JWU42: just pasting what I saw in their forums
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 429 @ 0.00459432 = 1.971 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1721 @ 0.0046512 = 8.0047 BTC [+]
jurov: TradeFortress,gonna buy MPBPT ? :D
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 400 @ 0.0046512 = 1.8605 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: mircea, you put another 325 down on the BFL shipping?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1268 @ 0.00453512 = 5.7505 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1032 @ 0.00452146 = 4.6661 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2000 @ 0.00453244 = 9.0649 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 605 @ 0.00452146 = 2.7355 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2 @ 0.00451817 = 0.009 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2856 @ 0.00451808 = 12.9036 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: oh, is that people sending in bets directly from the MPEX account?
Bugpowder: How does that work. 1Fx3N is the MPEX deposit address
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.475 BTC [-]
assbot: I cooked, I cleaned, and I sewed, and I have a right to get--
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 844 @ 0.00451808 = 3.8133 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 806 @ 0.00451757 = 3.6412 BTC [-]
assbot: Provide exchange and ticker.
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00451757 / 0.00463652 / 0.00475127 (129250 shares, 599.27 BTC), 7D: 0.004312 / 0.00467992 / 0.0048 (1917772 shares, 8,975.02 BTC), 30D: 0.0014 / 0.00353248 / 0.0048 (11823034 shares, 41,764.64 BTC)
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 14.15001, Best ask: 14.23299, Bid-ask spread: 0.08298, Last trade: 14.15001, 24 hour volume: 38939.12902034, 24 hour low: 13.94896, 24 hour high: 14.31480, 24 hour vwap: 14.10660
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 14.27000, Best ask: 14.27018, Bid-ask spread: 0.00018, Last trade: 14.27000, 24 hour volume: 40264.04375136, 24 hour low: 13.94896, 24 hour high: 14.31480, 24 hour vwap: 14.11130
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 650 @ 0.00456584 = 2.9678 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 94 @ 0.00451757 = 0.4247 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1117 @ 0.00451713 = 5.0456 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1035 @ 0.00451663 = 4.6747 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 286 @ 0.00451516 = 1.2913 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 68 @ 0.00451039 = 0.3067 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1282 @ 0.00451039 = 5.7823 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1665 @ 0.00450947 = 7.5083 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 53 @ 0.00450832 = 0.2389 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: kakobrekla, the closing times for the bets I posted are off. Closing happens at the start of the day not the end of the day, so now all my bets are closing Friday night instead of Sat.
Bugpowder: despite my setting of the closing day to 12-20
kakobrekla: i can change that if it needs to be, no bets yet confirmed on em
Bugpowder: ok... Yeah, originally you said it was end of day, but when I set it up last week, I saw it was start of day. Thats why I shifted the resolution time to the 22nd, to try to catch it at 24:00 of the 19th / 0:00 of the 20th
Bugpowder: i thought I did 2 days before 22nd
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1347 @ 0.00450832 = 6.0727 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 953 @ 0.00450698 = 4.2952 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: the unix time stamp is the same on proposal than on bet in the db
kakobrekla: now its possibly something else is wrong
Bugpowder: also my txn's confirmed with the last block
kakobrekla: possibly the bet approve team changed the date
Bugpowder: " When we announced the delay last month, we decided to go back and switch from our QFN package to a flip chip BGA (FCBGA) package. " I knew the chip bonding was going to be a problem. looks like it is
Bugpowder: "Originally, we were at about .8w per GH (Yes, we built 20% into our announcements) and we are estimating that it's possible that a worst case scenario would lead to a bit under 1.2w per GH. "
kakobrekla: tell me now if you want me to do +1 day
Bugpowder: I want it to end on the morning of the game
dub: what is the picture of in that post?
dub: needs login to enlarge
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1100 @ 0.00456584 = 5.0224 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 400 @ 0.00464467 = 1.8579 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 240 @ 0.0046512 = 1.1163 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1350 @ 0.0046593 = 6.2901 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: now we jusss need some coin down on that shizz
Bugpowder: "Week of February 10th We implement the 1/3 shipping plan en mass 1/3 of our assembled units will go to new orders in FIFO 1/3 of our assembled units will go to upgrade orders 1/3 will be randomly selected from both groups"
Bugpowder: Please let this drive more betting on the YES side
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 700 @ 0.00468357 = 3.2785 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1371 @ 0.0046876 = 6.4267 BTC [+]
pigeons: oh sorry, none of you were in any of those thirds
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 838 @ 0.0046876 = 3.9282 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: I think bitbet now officially has more bTC outstanding than betsofbitcoin
Namworld: Anyone in here can loan about 100 BTC through BTC-BOND?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 200 @ 0.00469855 = 0.9397 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13105 @ 0.00063268 = 8.2913 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3000 @ 0.00064579 = 1.9374 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16495 @ 0.0006458 = 10.6525 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1487 @ 0.00469837 = 6.9865 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 62 @ 0.00469621 = 0.2912 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 392 @ 0.0046593 = 1.8264 BTC [-]
dub: kakobrekla cant get none unless you got buns hun
kakobrekla: >>>1/3 of our assembled units will go to new orders in FIFO 1/3 of our assembled units will go to upgrade orders 1/3 will be randomly selected from both groups"
kakobrekla: how is randomly selecting between 2 1/3 any other than 2x 1/2
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00452109 = 4.5211 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 507 @ 0.00450698 = 2.285 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 406 @ 0.00450698 = 1.8298 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1294 @ 0.00450501 = 5.8295 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 606 @ 0.00450501 = 2.73 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 110 @ 0.00450374 = 0.4954 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.01 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 859 @ 0.00450374 = 3.8687 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 800 @ 0.00450356 = 3.6028 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.004502 = 2.251 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 975 @ 0.00450129 = 4.3888 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 295 @ 0.00452109 = 1.3337 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 816 @ 0.00456769 = 3.7272 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 14.23001, Best ask: 14.29099, Bid-ask spread: 0.06098, Last trade: 14.28998, 24 hour volume: 40998.52702455, 24 hour low: 13.94896, 24 hour high: 14.31480, 24 hour vwap: 14.11527
gribble: Current Blocks: 216450 | Current Difficulty: 3249549.5844872 | Next Difficulty At Block: 217727 | Next Difficulty In: 1277 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 22 hours, 1 minute, and 7 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 2910803.38168369 | Estimated Percent Change: -10.4244047981
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1982 @ 0.00456769 = 9.0532 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1900 @ 0.00468288 = 8.8975 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 900 @ 0.00469855 = 4.2287 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1150 @ 0.00470673 = 5.4127 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1200 @ 0.00470687 = 5.6482 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 550 @ 0.00472364 = 2.598 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1900 @ 0.00472602 = 8.9794 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 916 @ 0.0046023 = 4.2157 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00062773 = 0.6277 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13300 @ 0.00062772 = 8.3487 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2000 @ 0.00471295 = 9.4259 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1100 @ 0.00471127 = 5.1824 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P130T] 10 @ 0.08799123 = 0.8799 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2000 @ 0.00472601 = 9.452 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 5000 @ 0.00472602 = 23.6301 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1750 @ 0.00471127 = 8.2447 BTC [-]
TradeFortress: difficulty is set to retarget still in a while, so the diffficulty is higher than it should be
TradeFortress: btw, if you're interested in insuring MPOE bonds and get some nice profit, let me know
gribble: Error: "bc,difchange" is not a valid command.
gribble: Estimated percent change in difficulty this period | -10.7363427947 % based on data since last change | -13.141668681 % based on data for last three days
pigeons: what does "insuring MPOE bonds" mean TradeFortress ?
TradeFortress: pigeons: it means that you cover MPOE losses if that happens, in exchange for taking a large cut of the returns
pigeons: of you want someone to go in with you on that, ok
pigeons: I'm doing the CoinBr.MBPT thing
Namworld: Anyone got BTCT.co/Bitfunder/Cryptostock things? I feel like shorting stuff.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 300 @ 0.00471127 = 1.4134 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1168 @ 0.00468137 = 5.4678 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.33 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2465 @ 0.00470045 = 11.5866 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1103 @ 0.00472602 = 5.2128 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1182 @ 0.00475 = 5.6145 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1450 @ 0.0047146 = 6.8362 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller not really, that's from like luxor cca 2004
mircea_popescu: <Bugpowder> How does that work. 1Fx3N is the MPEX deposit address << what's the problem ? you can put any addy you want in ther withdraw field
mircea_popescu: "Originally, we were at about .8w per GH (Yes, we built 20% into our announcements << that'd be 25% neh ?
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1000 @ 0.01 = 10 BTC [-]
Namworld: Someone felt like lending me some funds
Schadenfreude: Namworld, you can always up it to say... 0.05% or 0.1%/day and perhaps more people will buy <g>
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 650 @ 0.0047146 = 3.0645 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 50 @ 0.00472297 = 0.2361 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11139 @ 0.0006368 = 7.0933 BTC [+]
Namworld: I once was at 0.5% weekly, which is not too far to 0.1%... too costly.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 900 @ 0.00472297 = 4.2507 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 7 @ 0.7894 = 5.5258 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 4750 @ 0.00468939 = 22.2746 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 932 @ 0.00468137 = 4.363 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 810 @ 0.00466556 = 3.7791 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 743 @ 0.00466053 = 3.4628 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 50 @ 0.00472297 = 0.2361 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 950 @ 0.00473096 = 4.4944 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 900 @ 0.00471904 = 4.2471 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 400 @ 0.00473096 = 1.8924 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00064579 = 3.229 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9462 @ 0.0006458 = 6.1106 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6170 @ 0.00065288 = 4.0283 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7202 @ 0.0006529 = 4.7022 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4468 @ 0.00065516 = 2.9273 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2153 @ 0.00065996 = 1.4209 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6300 @ 0.00065996 = 4.1577 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3700 @ 0.00065997 = 2.4419 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00065998 = 0.66 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.00065999 = 4.6199 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8000 @ 0.00065999 = 5.2799 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4939545 @ 0.00066 = 3260.0997 BTC [+]
azx: what is the source of income for MPOE?
azx: And those options are derivatives of what?
Namworld: so it basically goes long and short on BTC/USD at the same time. With an extra margin.
azx: or what is the underlying stuff
azx: OK, I see. So everyone buying those must be most of the time on the looser side?
Namworld: I suppose. Although they might be hedging.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 150000 @ 0.0018 = 270 BTC [-]
azx: BBET, this is something new
mircea_popescu: but in general the thing with options is most expire worthless.
markedathome: bbet is bitbet.us, which launched a week or two ago
markedathome: nice -->> [08:42:02] <@assbot> [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4939545 @ 0.00066 = 3260.0997 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00062772 / 0.00065956 / 0.00066 (5075034 shares, 3,347.30 BTC), 7D: 0.00062769 / 0.0006573 / 0.00066 (11526130 shares, 7,576.16 BTC), 30D: 0.00058738 / 0.00063499 / 0.00066 (47141395 shares, 29,934.58 BTC)
azx: better how? Looks like same stuff
mircea_popescu: yes well, superficially everything looks like the same stuff.
azx: so how it's better then? :)
Diablo-D3: doesnt that mean they're like a year behind?
Diablo-D3: I seem to remember a date before that
mircea_popescu: anyway, it's funny... i have so many bets about diff staying low through jan and feb
Diablo-D3: asicminer is going to be getting the boards back soon
mircea_popescu: i could probably live all this spring only by cashing out what i made out of the poor performance of asic manufacturers
Namworld: doesn't it normally show paid dividends?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1194 @ 0.00466053 = 5.5647 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 656 @ 0.00465944 = 3.0566 BTC [-]
Namworld: Well 50 BTC "dividend" on BitVPS
Namworld: It's actually the sale proceeds.
mircea_popescu: S.BVPS paid a total dividend of 50.00000000 BTC to 500`000 outstanding shares. #dividend #bitcoin #btc #stocks
azx: BitVPS is still in business?
Namworld: he can't sell his majority stake, but needed to quit. So he liquidated. Every share has right to part of that.
Namworld: But the contract has a special clause where each previous shareholder keeps 1 share after the transfer.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1344 @ 0.00465944 = 6.2623 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 732 @ 0.00463695 = 3.3942 BTC [-]
Namworld: Well should get published soon, so it will be official. You can review it then.
azx: Namworld: they are still in business?
Namworld: yes... Me, arij and phungus have been managing it for about a month.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1579 @ 0.00463695 = 7.3217 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 4150 @ 0.00461007 = 19.1318 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 934 @ 0.0046023 = 4.2985 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 787 @ 0.00459318 = 3.6148 BTC [-]
azx: mircea_popescu: what is your involvement in all this?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2213 @ 0.00459318 = 10.1647 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2 @ 0.00458415 = 0.0092 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 924 @ 0.00457255 = 4.225 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2700 @ 0.00456985 = 12.3386 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1859 @ 0.00456655 = 8.4892 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1400 @ 0.00463745 = 6.4924 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 10 @ 0.7894 = 7.894 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 1 @ 0.7894 BTC [+]
jurov: Yes, you are right mpex.co appears to be Offline!
jurov: mircea_popescu, mpex.co is not even DNS resolving ?!
Namworld: Attempt to appease the mighty Internet Gods by uploading a ritual dance to youtube... or by burning some servers in sacrifice.
Namworld: Not going to help one bit, but at least it might be fun. =/
Namworld: Ah well, that's sad. Guess I'll have to wait until tomorrow to complete my orders.
jurov: ;;ident Schadenfreude
gribble: Nick 'Schadenfreude', with hostmask 'Schadenfreude!~m@178.115.248.26.wireless.dyn.drei.com', is not identified.
jurov: Iirc he connected from similar ip
jurov: and your nick is so fitting atm
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.01 BTC [-]
Schadenfreude: I don't think there's any mechanism in place to prevent me from taking various nicknames : p
pirateat40: and as I can have multiple clients open at once
pirateat40: though routing it through TOR would've made for ultimate trolling
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 12 @ 0.7894 = 9.4728 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 40 @ 0.01 = 0.4 BTC [-]
jurov: .. or by burning some bitches in sacrifice, lol
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.01 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: you need to cut the line until the botnet stops requesting a dns request
thestringpuller: either that or have a red phone to your isp to pull a kill switch on the bad requests
gribble: smickles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 10 hours, 27 minutes, and 17 seconds ago: <smickles> ;;ticker
mircea_popescu: working on an actually pretty obnoxiously clever solution
mircea_popescu: i will be building and releasing a huge list of free hosts for mpex
mircea_popescu: the one disadvantage is all the cruft freehosts add to the page, so pympex will need a few cosmetic changes
Ukto: mircea_popescu: setup a vm or something somewhere. amazon.. put it behind cloudflare
Ukto: as a backup location
Ukto: and be done with it
mircea_popescu: i will just make one fucking trillion free host proxies.
kakobrekla: i thought mp was alergic on cloudflare
kakobrekla: Bugpowder, mircea will explain it for ya
Bugpowder: Just trying to understand the process, and what resolved vs. closed me. Resolved not linked to payout?
mircea_popescu: resolved means one of the two sides was selected. payments to winning side are due and being processed
mircea_popescu: because of security procedures in place this processing may take a (short) interval.
Schadenfreude: Neotrix is affiliated with Koddos, which apparently offers DDOS protection too
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 14.15003, Best ask: 14.22849, Bid-ask spread: 0.07846, Last trade: 14.15003, 24 hour volume: 27519.20464813, 24 hour low: 13.94896, 24 hour high: 14.30000, 24 hour vwap: 14.12675
mircea_popescu: i don't want ddos protection at all. i want basically a tiny vm to run a php mpex proxy
jurov: Luceo does hosting too
Schadenfreude: Try bitcointalk, somebody ought to accept BTC for some hosting
jurov: mircea, you did not restart twitter/assapi yet? and rss/json output scriptslike mktdepth.php hang
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00062772 / 0.00065959 / 0.00066 (5069495 shares, 3,343.84 BTC), 7D: 0.00062769 / 0.00065737 / 0.00066 (11476109 shares, 7,544.08 BTC), 30D: 0.00058738 / 0.000635 / 0.00066 (46830971 shares, 29,737.79 BTC)
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.01 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 25 @ 0.7894 = 19.735 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 4 @ 0.7895 = 3.158 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 3 @ 0.799 = 2.397 BTC [+]
JWU_42: not so sure about that stock
JWU_42: with the whole USD to BTC conversion
JWU_42: of profits to dividends
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 14 @ 0.475 = 6.65 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.48 BTC [+]
jurov: and now we know mircea's ip addy.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell bugpowder the transactions in question had been sent ~15 hours ago. they failed to propagate for some reason tho. all should be well nao
jurov: things i had no time to do till now
jurov: like actual affiliate credit payouts :/
jurov: some ppl can expect a nice little surprise later today
assbot: Provide exchange and ticker.
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00062772 / 0.00065956 / 0.00066 (5074495 shares, 3,346.98 BTC), 7D: 0.00062769 / 0.00065738 / 0.00066 (11455209 shares, 7,530.44 BTC), 30D: 0.00058738 / 0.000635 / 0.00066 (46751688 shares, 29,687.66 BTC)
Korbman: gigavps: how fast will you be hashing once gigamining is all set up with ASICs?
gigavps: as fast as humanly possible
gigavps: all of the pieces are in place
jcpham: guess who is on the phone with mastercard
jcpham: guess who had 3 bASIC ordered
Korbman: lol that's not a number ;)
gigavps: Korbman any gigaminer that signs the new contract for Teramining will be able to be privy to all information regarding VPS' strategies
gigavps: because there is a NDA included in the contract
jcpham: i'm sortof scared though
jcpham: because i'm talking to paypal because it's a paypal mastercard
Korbman: Ha, I figured I'd ask anyway
jcpham: paypal asked what it is
jcpham: "experimental cryptographic hardware
jcpham: that's was difficult to dance around
jcpham: never said the word bitcoin on chargeback dispute for btcfpga.com
pigeons: so basic isn't doing striaght up refunds, you have to chargeback?
jcpham: 6 months ago i would have let it play out
jcpham: now i'm not patient enough for fail boats
jcpham: gigavps gets the reference
jcpham: bitcoin is full shinking ship fail boats
mircea_popescu: We're sorry, but that is an invalid password. Valid passwords can contain only numbers, characters, and underscores.
gigavps: i had a site limit me to 16 characters
Korbman: because an AR-15 fires a projectile, whereas a car, knife, or hammer does not
Korbman: hahah I suppose that's true...though I'd say the effective range varies greatly
Schadenfreude: I assume a semi-auto rifle is a lot more useful for self defence than any other object in that img
jcpham: 1 of Spartacus Blown Medium Realistic Glass Dildo, Clear [ASIN: B006U1Z6UW]
jcpham: ------------- Begin message -------------
jcpham: We are sorry to inform you that we no longer have this item in stock, and we apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused
jcpham: that was going to be the centerpiece of the whole room
Korbman: just hope it doesn't break...
jcpham: I was going to glue it to my neighbors house
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 7 @ 0.48 = 3.36 BTC [+]
jcpham: or possibly put it at the top of a radio tower
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 25 @ 0.485 = 12.125 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 23 @ 0.485 = 11.155 BTC [+]
jurov: lol thestringpusher
Korbman: I admit I haven't really looked at it that much though
gigavps: can anyone tell me what the blue parts are, there are 16 of them
Schadenfreude: Is it likely for the the BTC price to fall in the next two weeks? Not much, but to about $13
Schadenfreude: I'm sitting on some cash which would best be put to work as BTC, but I'm afraid I'll lose 5-10% on a price drop
Korbman: You could hedge it a bit...buy 1/3 of your bitcoins now, another 1/3 next week, and 1/3 a week after that.
Schadenfreude: Well, buying now would be bad if the price dropped 5-10% again in the next time
mircea_popescu: if btc is going up to infinity, then infinity minus 5% is not materially different
mircea_popescu: if btc is not going up to infinity it's not worth buying in the first place.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 16 @ 0.489 = 7.824 BTC [+]
Korbman: that's why you buy both times...buying now at $14.20, then again at $14 would give you an average of $14.10 ...if it goes above that you make a profit
Korbman: it's just trying to figure out when it's going to go up that's the hard part
mircea_popescu: someone who spent 35k to buy 1k btc at 35 and kept them has 1k btc.
Korbman: I suppose it depends if you're looking for short term or long term gains
mircea_popescu: someone who bought 1k btc at .5 and invested it with pirate...
Korbman: ...early has 1k+(1.07^4 weeks)
Schadenfreude: And if somebody invested with pirate and got out in time...
Korbman: sorry, should read "*" not "+"
Korbman: and it's for 4 weeks...I figured a month would be fine
Korbman: 1310btc if you invested early with pirate
Schadenfreude: mp, how many % of your money did you convert to BTC? Curious how confident you are with it
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00062772 / 0.00065962 / 0.00066 (5065195 shares, 3,341.14 BTC), 7D: 0.00062769 / 0.00065738 / 0.00066 (11455209 shares, 7,530.44 BTC), 30D: 0.00058738 / 0.00063503 / 0.00066 (46620168 shares, 29,605.34 BTC)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 21 @ 0.48 = 10.08 BTC [-]
topace: and a working ssl cert :p
OgNasty: Thanks for the advice. A logo wasn't a big concern obviously and the ssl cert works fine, it just is private. ;)
topace: assbot isnt announcing mpex trades
OgNasty: Concerns were speed and functionality. :)
gigavps: lol, mircea_popescu is talking about design
gigavps: those who own 1998 looking websites should not cast stones!
OgNasty: gigavps I had a chuckle at that as well.
smickles: jebus fuck, when did bitbet get an over 1kbtc bet going
smickles: mircea_popescu: ya know, i was coding an mpex android client for myself, I couldn't find which font that 'M' is
smickles: i ended up using comic sans, 'cause it looks close
smickles: lets see, what did I actually use...
smickles: quick, someone give me a bunch of btc to pipe into my bot!
mircea_popescu: "Late in 1993 I sold 10 million shares of Cap Cities at $63; at year-end 1994, the price was $85 1/4. (The difference is $222.5 million for those of you who wish to avoid the pain of calculating the damage yourself.) When we purchased the stock at $17.25 in 1986, I told you that I had previously sold our Cap Cities holdings at $4.30 per share during 1978-80, and added that I was at a loss to explain my earlier behavior
smickles: "One bot, for instance, asked no less than 720 times for the same order to be cancelled, because it wasn’t getting the one response it was expecting." um...
smickles: would that happen to be order 5228684
smickles: I told you that I had some 'optimization' to do
jurov: particularly, inserting sleep statements.
smickles: it's just something like half a second currently
jurov: lol...examining the situation every 10-20s is good enough
jurov: i tell you, at least some of these ninjas who issued orders mid-BBET-IPO actually did it via coinbr
jurov: and even for that it wasn;t necessary to hit it every half second
mircea_popescu: actually i think next ipo in that style will be +3 seconds rather than +!
mircea_popescu: When Richard Branson, the wealthy owner of Virgin Atlantic
mircea_popescu: Airways, was asked how to become a millionaire, he had a quick
mircea_popescu: answer: "There's really nothing to it. Start as a billionaire and then
smickles: "Well, I'll tell you one thing. Having a kid ended my addiction to being a recreational asswipe and made me seriously consider stopping that professionally."
kakobrekla: that bfl core pic is not for flip-chip design but for wirebond
smickles: EskimoBob: actually, I just made it up
smickles: I thought it sounded better as an unattributed quote
smickles: clearly, i'm a literary genious because it brought an excellent image to your mind
jcpham: anything new and awesome happening on the bitcointalk forums?
jcpham: i'm so out of touch...
smickles: EskimoBob: well, i meant from an artistic point of view
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 14.25004, Best ask: 14.29000, Bid-ask spread: 0.03996, Last trade: 14.25004, 24 hour volume: 22752.84667883, 24 hour low: 14.06541, 24 hour high: 14.34600, 24 hour vwap: 14.22608
jcpham: i hope someone took pictures/sideway video
jcpham: nothink like portrait-video
mircea_popescu: i like portrait video. it's like .. it gives the art depth man
jcpham: my keyboarding is fail
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 3 @ 0.01 = 0.03 BTC [-]
smickles: jurov: "Does it mean that, for example pyMPEx will come bundled with fall back list of proxies to send requests to in case of mpex.co is unreachable?" I could do that if you wanted
smickles: i was also thinking of adding the option to specify a keyring to use
jurov: i know, i want to finish at least something of this i have here first
jurov: just realized that i added file logging of every command and decrypted output for future reference..
jurov: very useful, but never pushed that, shame on me
smickles: heh, same here, but i've done it in another module
Dishwasha: This may sound like a naive question, but how would a person go about becoming a bitcoin exchange? Particularly to only process bitcoin transfers?
Dishwasha: Is the idea to create a network with 6+ other exchanges and submit transaction to them and once at least 6 are confirmed the transaction is complete?
Namworld: only process bitcoin transfers? Everyone can already transfer bitcoins =/
Namworld: No, bitcoins don't work like that.
Dishwasha: Namworld: But the idea would be that I want my service to receive the transaction confirmation as quickly as possible.
FabianB: Dishwasha: bitcoin is peer2peer
Dishwasha: Yeah, I get that. But there's no reason why you can't control which peers you communicate with.
Namworld: But which peers you communicate with doesn't change anything.
Namworld: Unless they form a closed network willingly.
Dishwasha: But it can change how quickly a transaction takes to process.
Dishwasha: Namworld: Yes, you can pay for better bandwidth, etc.
Namworld: But then they're excluded from the bitcoin system.
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P140T] 2 @ 0.01029943 = 0.0206 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P150T] 1 @ 0.06193501 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P130T] 1 @ 0.00800002 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C130T] 1 @ 0.09478131 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C160T] 1 @ 0.00862926 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P160T] 1 @ 0.13193935 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00064735 = 3.2368 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14774 @ 0.00064736 = 9.5641 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33107 @ 0.00065772 = 21.7751 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25000 @ 0.00065998 = 16.4995 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3300 @ 0.00065999 = 2.178 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68819 @ 0.00066 = 45.4205 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C060T] 500 @ 0.70576158 = 352.8808 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.00064223 = 5.9727 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P170T] 820 @ 0.29190365 = 239.361 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P160T] 777 @ 0.22544062 = 175.1674 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11750 @ 0.00066 = 7.755 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P150T] 614 @ 0.16607911 = 101.9726 BTC [+]
mod6: fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu SupaDupaJenkins
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P140T] 563 @ 0.11587618 = 65.2383 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1250 @ 0.00464142 = 5.8018 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.00462545 = 2.3127 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1377 @ 0.00457353 = 6.2978 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1303 @ 0.00456874 = 5.9531 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 320 @ 0.0045637 = 1.4604 BTC [-]
Graet: supa forgot to take the meds again?
mircea_popescu: there should be a bet : does bfl deliver before pirate pays ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1800 @ 0.00460592 = 8.2907 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 554 @ 0.00464529 = 2.5735 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30000 @ 0.00065999 = 19.7997 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.00066 = 2.112 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GOLD] 1 @ 1.2225 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1535 @ 0.00464529 = 7.1305 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 373 @ 0.0046499 = 1.7344 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1159 @ 0.00459038 = 5.3203 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 4425 @ 0.0046176 = 20.4329 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 5200 @ 0.0046176 = 24.0115 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1350 @ 0.0046176 = 6.2338 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 477 @ 0.0046499 = 2.218 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2000 @ 0.00466753 = 9.3351 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 45 @ 0.00467388 = 0.2103 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1255 @ 0.00467388 = 5.8657 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2000 @ 0.00467449 = 9.349 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3061 @ 0.0046745 = 14.3086 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3557 @ 0.00467895 = 16.643 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1547 @ 0.00469829 = 7.2683 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 550 @ 0.00470319 = 2.5868 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 312 @ 0.00470361 = 1.4675 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 813 @ 0.00470385 = 3.8242 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2745 @ 0.00470449 = 12.9138 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2660 @ 0.00470703 = 12.5207 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2111 @ 0.00471062 = 9.9441 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1654 @ 0.00471497 = 7.7986 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2300 @ 0.00471641 = 10.8477 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1717 @ 0.00472014 = 8.1045 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 763 @ 0.00473096 = 3.6097 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1550 @ 0.00473389 = 7.3375 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 4094 @ 0.00473804 = 19.3975 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3000 @ 0.00473838 = 14.2151 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3650 @ 0.00474089 = 17.3042 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 8950 @ 0.00474097 = 42.4317 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1711 @ 0.00474221 = 8.1139 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00449034 / 0.00461379 / 0.00474221 (341542 shares, 1,575.81 BTC), 7D: 0.00449 / 0.00467079 / 0.0048 (2142353 shares, 10,006.48 BTC), 30D: 0.0014 / 0.00356887 / 0.0048 (12139615 shares, 43,324.81 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 978 @ 0.00467269 = 4.5699 BTC [-]
mod6: crap, i hate it when my ssh sessions timeout
mircea_popescu: Bridge is such a sensational game that I wouldn't mind being in jail if I had three cellmates who were decent players and who were willing to keep the game going twenty-four hours a day.
mod6: well, not thats its a bad thing, but it happens enough to get annoying on this aws shit where im in and out all the time.
mod6: haha, never played. i like spades, poker and cribbage.
azx: 24/7 same game? LOL, this will become a real hell fast
mod6: yeah, i thought the minimum age was like 200
mircea_popescu: mod6 the minimum age for men is 50. the maximum age for women is 32.
mod6: too much table talk
mod6: with out the table talk
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1848 @ 0.00467269 = 8.6351 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2000 @ 0.00472961 = 9.4592 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 650 @ 0.00472962 = 3.0743 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P160T] 1000 @ 0.22917485 = 229.1749 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: "Henderson Brothers, Inc., the specialist in our shares, is the oldest continuing specialist firm on the Exchange; its progenitor, William Thomas Henderson, bought his seat for $500 on September 8, 1861."
mircea_popescu: next time anyone whines about "500 dollars" im showing them this.
mod6: haha. well, that'd be like 50000 now.
mod6: with 100% devaluation
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 700 @ 0.00467269 = 3.2709 BTC [-]
azx: mod6: Total inflation from January 1914 to January 2012 is 2,166.65%
azx: you have to search for something that has 1860 data too
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1901 @ 0.00472962 = 8.991 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 689 @ 0.00474221 = 3.2674 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.00474275 = 2.3714 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2404 @ 0.00474803 = 11.4143 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1856 @ 0.00475 = 8.816 BTC [+]
azx: in last 12 years USD has lost 33%!
azx: look at the inflation for your lifetime ... ouch
mod6: haha, you gotta go back to 1980 for me
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1124 @ 0.00467269 = 5.2521 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 576 @ 0.00467146 = 2.6908 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3450 @ 0.00475 = 16.3875 BTC [+]
azx: go argue with that site :) I do not run it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3724 @ 0.00467146 = 17.3965 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 526 @ 0.00464864 = 2.4452 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2572 @ 0.00472961 = 12.1646 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 428 @ 0.00472961 = 2.0243 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2022 @ 0.00474624 = 9.5969 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 883 @ 0.00464865 = 4.1048 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 117 @ 0.00464865 = 0.5439 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1683 @ 0.00464864 = 7.8237 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1200 @ 0.00474582 = 5.695 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2650 @ 0.00474623 = 12.5775 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1578 @ 0.00464864 = 7.3356 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 422 @ 0.00464694 = 1.961 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 600 @ 0.00474623 = 2.8477 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 310 @ 0.00468133 = 1.4512 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 720 @ 0.00464865 = 3.347 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1050 @ 0.0046577 = 4.8906 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2500 @ 0.00472514 = 11.8129 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 62 @ 0.00464694 = 0.2881 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 488 @ 0.00462601 = 2.2575 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 1475 @ 0.0018 = 2.655 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1300 @ 0.00473225 = 6.1519 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 694 @ 0.00473625 = 3.287 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 2 @ 0.0097 = 0.0194 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3600 @ 0.00462602 = 16.6537 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.00469986 = 2.3499 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 306 @ 0.00473625 = 1.4493 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 964 @ 0.00473626 = 4.5658 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1678 @ 0.00474733 = 7.966 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 6852 @ 0.00475 = 32.547 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1950 @ 0.00475 = 9.2625 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1400 @ 0.00462602 = 6.4764 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 50 @ 0.00462601 = 0.2313 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1550 @ 0.00470296 = 7.2896 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.459 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1700 @ 0.00464849 = 7.9024 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1500 @ 0.00065999 = 0.99 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 594 @ 0.00470296 = 2.7936 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1606 @ 0.00475 = 7.6285 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 500 @ 0.0018 = 0.9 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2600 @ 0.00475 = 12.35 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1200 @ 0.00470168 = 5.642 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 504 @ 0.00475 = 2.394 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3596 @ 0.00475035 = 17.0823 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2050 @ 0.00474024 = 9.7175 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1685 @ 0.00475035 = 8.0043 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1250 @ 0.00470168 = 5.8771 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2450 @ 0.00469426 = 11.5009 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 700 @ 0.00466466 = 3.2653 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 15 @ 0.79 = 11.85 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2000 @ 0.00465654 = 9.3131 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 250 @ 0.00464849 = 1.1621 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1987 @ 0.00462601 = 9.1919 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3200 @ 0.00465654 = 14.9009 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 586 @ 0.00465654 = 2.7287 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 349 @ 0.00465654 = 1.6251 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 651 @ 0.00472886 = 3.0785 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1775 @ 0.00462601 = 8.2112 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1425 @ 0.00462128 = 6.5853 BTC [-]
jurov: pirate uses coinbr, who wudda say :P
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.00462803 = 2.314 BTC [+]
Schadenfreude: might invest more if mpex stocks don't implode or somebody hacks coinbr into oblivion by next month
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 2 @ 0.79 = 1.58 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1825 @ 0.00462128 = 8.4338 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 10 @ 0.8399 = 8.399 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 2 @ 0.8399 = 1.6798 BTC [+]
Schadenfreude: Bad idea since they're bought back at about 0.7 BTC value
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1475 @ 0.00461846 = 6.8122 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 842 @ 0.00462803 = 3.8968 BTC [+]
Schadenfreude: So if neotrix buys them back within 10~ weeks, those people are screwed
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1407 @ 0.00462803 = 6.5116 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2200 @ 0.00471664 = 10.3766 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 400 @ 0.00475035 = 1.9001 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2918 @ 0.00475035 = 13.8615 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2701 @ 0.00475035 = 12.8307 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 422 @ 0.00475112 = 2.005 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 14.20001, Best ask: 14.24998, Bid-ask spread: 0.04997, Last trade: 14.20001, 24 hour volume: 46208.66766734, 24 hour low: 13.99178, 24 hour high: 14.47899, 24 hour vwap: 14.20296
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.007 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 3 @ 0.01 = 0.03 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 650 @ 0.00475 = 3.0875 BTC [-]
assbot: Provide exchange and ticker.
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00449034 / 0.00463912 / 0.00475112 (403600 shares, 1,872.35 BTC), 7D: 0.00449 / 0.00467182 / 0.0048 (2204987 shares, 10,301.32 BTC), 30D: 0.0014 / 0.00358016 / 0.0048 (12255882 shares, 43,878.11 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0.0018 / 0.0018 / 0.0018 (18545 shares, 33.38 BTC), 7D: 0.000337 / 0.00077036 / 0.0035 (2164911 shares, 1,667.76 BTC), 30D: 0.000337 / 0.00077036 / 0.0035 (2164911 shares, 1,667.76 BTC)
azx: Bugpowder: can you /msg assbot ?
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 3 @ 0.007 = 0.021 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: doesn't everyone want to know the latest :-P
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3450 @ 0.00475 = 16.3875 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 646 @ 0.00471499 = 3.0459 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 554 @ 0.0046176 = 2.5582 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 250 @ 0.004749 = 1.1873 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3700 @ 0.00475 = 17.575 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26550 @ 0.00065957 = 17.5116 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2150 @ 0.00065459 = 1.4074 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1118 @ 0.00474416 = 5.304 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2132 @ 0.00475 = 10.127 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 10 @ 0.79 = 7.9 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2300 @ 0.0047083 = 10.8291 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1355 @ 0.00475 = 6.4363 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2619 @ 0.00475 = 12.4403 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00468567 = 4.6857 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1219 @ 0.00462626 = 5.6394 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3000 @ 0.00471633 = 14.149 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1281 @ 0.00462626 = 5.9262 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 219 @ 0.00462 = 1.0118 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1640 @ 0.00468138 = 7.6775 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1700 @ 0.00471633 = 8.0178 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17680 @ 0.00065999 = 11.6686 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0.0018 / 0.0018 / 0.0018 (18545 shares, 33.38 BTC), 7D: 0.000337 / 0.00077036 / 0.0035 (2164911 shares, 1,667.76 BTC), 30D: 0.000337 / 0.00077036 / 0.0035 (2164911 shares, 1,667.76 BTC)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 18 @ 0.48 = 8.64 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2260 @ 0.00469924 = 10.6203 BTC [-]
jcpham: so let's say I wanted to buy a few thousand shares of S.BBET
Schadenfreude: If you don't want to spend more than 100BTC on the venture I'd recommend the mpex broker
Bugpowder: type this into your terminal ./mpex.py 'BUY|S.BBET|21142|175000'
Korbman: Ha, I haven't seen that infographic in ages
jcpham: you need at least 10k bitcoin for pizza iirc
Schadenfreude: $140k? but I like my pizza without gold and diamonds
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 650 @ 0.00462633 = 3.0071 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1950 @ 0.00462633 = 9.0213 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 40 @ 0.00463293 = 0.1853 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.48 = 4.8 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 393 @ 0.0046823 = 1.8401 BTC [+]
jcpham: i'm so on the fence with ripple
jcpham: no comment. i lose all visionary-ness on ripple
kakobrekla: assbot, bitbet and the rest of the world will return when the hdd od the server is changed, thanks for your patience
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.48 = 4.8 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 331 @ 0.0046339 = 1.5338 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.00466725 = 2.3336 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2002 @ 0.00467104 = 9.3514 BTC [+]
assbot: Have you got any tobacco?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 181 @ 0.00462 = 0.8362 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2600 @ 0.00461845 = 12.008 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 119 @ 0.0046176 = 0.5495 BTC [-]
azx: "kakobrekla | assbot, bitbet and the rest of the world will return when the hdd od the server is changed, thanks for"
jurov: azx, kako runs teh matrix
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 34 @ 0.48 = 16.32 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 9 @ 0.48 = 4.32 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 600 @ 0.00461761 = 2.7706 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 400 @ 0.00461761 = 1.847 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 702 @ 0.0046176 = 3.2416 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1777 @ 0.00461332 = 8.1979 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3400 @ 0.00461115 = 15.6779 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 721 @ 0.00460415 = 3.3196 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.0047 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.0047 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.0046 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.48 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 9 @ 0.48 = 4.32 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00463612 = 4.6361 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2200 @ 0.00463611 = 10.1994 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2307 @ 0.00460415 = 10.6218 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 24 @ 0.0046 = 0.1104 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 350 @ 0.0044 = 1.54 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2613 @ 0.00464951 = 12.1492 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 337 @ 0.00460415 = 1.5516 BTC [-]
Schadenfreude: I'll dump some at 0.00472+, daytrading is kinda fun
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 298 @ 0.00467104 = 1.392 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 88 @ 0.0046823 = 0.412 BTC [+]
Korbman: Daytrading has a hell of a rush
kakobrekla: here assbot, you been up for weeks, have a line.
Schadenfreude: you'd be better off with modafinil for the staying awake part
kakobrekla: but does that make them feel better too?
Korbman: I wish I had that stuff when I worked both a night shift and day shift at two different jobs in college
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 706 @ 0.00460415 = 3.2505 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 94 @ 0.00459983 = 0.4324 BTC [-]
Korbman: there's only so much coffee and energy drinks you can consume before tiredness still takes over
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 151 @ 0.48 = 72.48 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 19 @ 0.0046823 = 0.089 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2150 @ 0.00471633 = 10.1401 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2552 @ 0.00472657 = 12.0622 BTC [+]
Schadenfreude: Amphetamines are the choice for being focused, motivated and awake longer
Schadenfreude: It's meh, caffeine tends to produce a nasty tolerance pretty fast
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2406 @ 0.00459983 = 11.0672 BTC [-]
Korbman: True, but that shit is dangerous if you mismeasure it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 294 @ 0.00459927 = 1.3522 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: i used it a few years back for a while
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2036 @ 0.00472657 = 9.6233 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 164 @ 0.00473843 = 0.7771 BTC [+]
Schadenfreude: I hate the fact, that I have to go through caffeine withdrawals after a major exam
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 436 @ 0.00473843 = 2.066 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 614 @ 0.00474899 = 2.9159 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 36 @ 0.00474899 = 0.171 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 219 @ 0.004749 = 1.04 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1849 @ 0.00475 = 8.7828 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 181 @ 0.004749 = 0.8596 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2019 @ 0.00475 = 9.5903 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: not as 'fun' but effective for focus
Bugpowder: when you absolutely need to focus for 12 hours.
Schadenfreude: I only use caffeine and piracetam if I must learn hard
Schadenfreude: Poppy tea orso after a passed exam is a different matter. Thank god for greyzone laws on dried poppies here
Korbman: "The tea is consumed for its narcotic, analgesic, and anti-diarrheal effects"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1232 @ 0.00469621 = 5.7857 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 300 @ 0.00469621 = 1.4089 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.48 = 4.8 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2000 @ 0.00472154 = 9.4431 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 658 @ 0.00473 = 3.1123 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 358 @ 0.00473 = 1.6933 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1747 @ 0.0047419 = 8.2841 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: yeah you get hooked on it in about 2 weeks
kakobrekla: it makes more sense to go on and off it
kakobrekla: thestrin1puller, everything in moderation, even moderation
Schadenfreude: Yea, but I meant the kind with terrible headaches and feeling tired for a couple of days, since I don't drink coffee if I don't have to
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1495 @ 0.0047419 = 7.0891 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3018 @ 0.00469621 = 14.1732 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2932 @ 0.0046825 = 13.7291 BTC [-]
jcpham: i go through withdrawals fairly regularly
jcpham: caffeine and nicotine both
jcpham: i binge on both of those and then will go back to cold turkey
Schadenfreude: Same with nicotine, it's just that I'm exposed to caffeine for about 3 weeks on occasion so it's a tad harder
jcpham: i used to be seriously dependent on both fentanyl and oxycodone a few years back
jcpham: so i'll smoke like a pack or two in a night
jcpham: and then days of feeling like crap
assbot: [BTCT:GSDPT] 1D: 0.0044 / 0.0044 / 0.007 (381 shares, 1.7 BTC), 7D: 0.0042 / 0.01 / 0.0075 (655 shares, 3.6 BTC), 30D: 0.0042 / 0.01 / 0.0075 (655 shares, 3.6 BTC)
jcpham: i do that pretty regularly, the nicotine withdrawal feeling
jcpham: fentanyl is worse than heroin i hear
jcpham: fentanyl was like 2 full weeks of the trainspotting scene
mod6: well, fentanyl is like 100x
jcpham: i'm pretty sure i flew to Des Moines to install some servers during my narcotics detox
jcpham: the pain was exquisite
Schadenfreude: Poppy pods are great to enjoy, but awful if you get addicted to them
jcpham: 50 micrograms every 48 hours
mircea_popescu: Schadenfreude, Bugpowder did you two see my latest production ?
jcpham: damn mircea_popescu you make friends
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1818 @ 0.0046825 = 8.5128 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 525 @ 0.00466414 = 2.4487 BTC [-]
jcpham: look i can re-arrange it
mircea_popescu: i have this advantage that i get high on my own neurotransmitters, as my sister put it. of course everyone wants to be friends with me.
jcpham: damn you, mircea_popescu, make friends
jcpham: where do i throw my money?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2226 @ 0.00475 = 10.5735 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 174 @ 0.00475094 = 0.8267 BTC [+]
mod6: i've got it somewhere...
Bugpowder: jcpham There are a variety of good options
kakobrekla: well i must say i admire your humble expectations.
kakobrekla: 19:10.07 ( EskimoBob ) it's gone! and everyone got their coin back. better than expected.
Bugpowder: jcpham, Hard to say which security will do the best in the coming months, depends on the revenue growth. So just buy a little of S.MPOE, S.BVPS, S.DICE and S.BBET
mod6: EskimoBob: just thought i had it handy. :3
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2250 @ 0.00466414 = 10.4943 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: some will go up, some might go down
Bugpowder: Well, I'm basically doing that for my friends
Bugpowder: well, people that actually set it up more official than a google doc
kakobrekla: EskimoBob wtf were you doing on glbse if that outcome came over your expectations'
Bugpowder: Let me dry my tears with all these extra bitcoins I made this month
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.459 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.459 = 0.918 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 5 @ 0.46 = 2.3 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: so now we need eskimobob english to english translator?
Bugpowder: well, that went ok for me, although it would have been nice if the asset prices hadn't crashed as people were racing to the exits.
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.476 = 0.952 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P160T] 1000 @ 0.22458623 = 224.5862 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: shoulda got out as soon as that youtube video of him at the conference got out
Bugpowder: "Have you actually talked to a lawyer? I think maybe you should, very soon!"
gribble: smickles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 15 hours, 4 minutes, and 47 seconds ago: <smickles> well, so far i'm doing alright, and this is the test month
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 6826 @ 0.00475094 = 32.4299 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1224 @ 0.00475101 = 5.8152 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: you certanly dont give that impression here :)
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P160T] 1000 @ 0.22453777 = 224.5378 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.48 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P150T] 1000 @ 0.16451239 = 164.5124 BTC [-]
assbot: Provide exchange and ticker.
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00449034 / 0.00465126 / 0.00475112 (494978 shares, 2,302.28 BTC), 7D: 0.00449 / 0.00466409 / 0.0048 (2057653 shares, 9,597.09 BTC), 30D: 0.0014 / 0.0035971 / 0.0048 (12252072 shares, 44,072.03 BTC)
assbot: [HAVELOCK:SDICE] 1D: 0.48000000 / 0.48049655 / 0.48900000 (290 shares, 139.34400000 BTC), 7D: 0.47500000 / 0.48166574 / 0.50000000 (1080 shares, 520.19900000 BTC), 30D: 0.37000000 / 0.45280971 / 0.62000000 (3500 shares, 1584.83399998 BTC)
mircea_popescu: if there were a box into which i could go "hey, there was this graph like so and so somewhere"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2450 @ 0.00466415 = 11.4272 BTC [-]
mod6: i think they just kinda reinvented the EFnet sex chart
mod6: but not ascii heheheh
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12047 @ 0.00066 = 7.951 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: I totally agree with this statement "It is, I submit, a lot easier to be a star in BTC than it is in fiat, simply because so many more intelligent people (that aren’t computer programmers!) are involved with the latter as opposed to the former."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3350 @ 0.00467416 = 15.6584 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3096 @ 0.00475101 = 14.7091 BTC [+]
mod6: haha, "only 23 years old"
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P160T] 1000 @ 0.22443673 = 224.4367 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P150T] 1000 @ 0.16440693 = 164.4069 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: mircea_popescu You are wrong about buffet.
Bugpowder: He is currently up big on his short put contracts
Bugpowder: Closed some of them for 50% profit already
Bugpowder: using black-scholes valuation modes
Bugpowder: which, not sure if its really the right model for those long dated things
mircea_popescu: seeing what he thinks of price-based evaluation models lol
Namworld: Anyone got BTCT.co/BitFunder/Cryptostock stuff? Looking for things to short.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.48 = 0.96 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: I hope the options buyer keeps buying the puts
mod6: it seems hard to find a lot of downside at this stage of the game
Bugpowder: I made puts but the buyer isn't buying anymore
Bugpowder: Is that 2% fee on the total deposit?
assbot: Hell, ain't we about more fucked than a whore at closin' time, huh?
mod6: need the T|N on the end there thestringpuller
assbot: [MPEX:O.BTCUSD.P140T] 1D: 0.01029943 / 0.11550245 / 0.11587618 (565 shares, 65.26 BTC), 7D: 0.01029943 / 0.11470805 / 0.12379657 (572 shares, 65.61 BTC), 30D: 0.01029943 / 0.10639863 / 0.168 (3678 shares, 391.33 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX:O.BTCUSD.C140T] 1D: 0.10808014 / 0.10808014 / 0.10808014 (10 shares, 1.08 BTC), 7D: 0.0164898 / 0.10950172 / 0.14775821 (23 shares, 2.52 BTC), 30D: 0.01359389 / 0.02685208 / 0.19999999 (1051 shares, 28.22 BTC)
mod6: i feel like it really wants to break out here... im a cash buyer for sure at $10, but i've been really wanting to grab some more quick before it hits 20
mod6: im not saying anything in particular about his position
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3680 @ 0.00475101 = 17.4837 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 870 @ 0.00475103 = 4.1334 BTC [+]
mod6: i feel like that was kinda concervitive. i think we might add another zero to the end of that before too long here.
mod6: maybe so... the asics are a huge let down so far.
dub: this is getting silly
mod6: i was even hoping to get a few of these going in '13 also (asics)
mod6: i didnt pre-order anything, because I'm a wait and see type usually...
mod6: But, I am hopful that someone will put together an orginization that can turn out a stable asic product this year.
Bugpowder: I think BFL is going to eventually ship. The scam is collecting money a year or more before they actually ship
Bugpowder: i KNEW they were going to have issues with the packaging
mod6: I have no idea who, or what, but I remain hopful that someone can turn these things out efficiantly and have them be reliable.
kakobrekla: the pic that bfl showed is not a flipchip
mircea_popescu: <mod6> i didnt pre-order anything, because I'm a wait and see type usuall << seriously wise in this case
dub: EskimoBob: like make pottery cups?
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 5 @ 0.0047 = 0.0235 BTC [+]
mod6: yeah, im more interested in the asics for personal btc mining and some research
dub: dude everyone has made a pottery cup when they were 4-5 years old
mod6: I have this dream to build a really extensive elastic asic network
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 876 @ 0.00475103 = 4.1619 BTC [+]
mod6: anyway, a long ways off. i want to see what I can build with these things.
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 10 @ 0.44 = 4.4 BTC [-]
mod6: along with some rasberry pi's
mod6: god my spelling is bad.
dub: no thats a stupid word
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 33 @ 0.3299 = 10.8867 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 2 @ 0.33 = 0.66 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.48 = 1.92 BTC [-]
dub: also, isnt want you can build with a sha2 hashing asic fairly limited, to hashign sha2?
mod6: well, i believe that with the asic you can program the array anyway you wish really...
mod6: and i was thinking if it was something like UCS, but instead of just CPUs, it could be large cards of FPGAs
dub: mod6: not afaik, you're thinking fpga?
mod6: and in a distributed network you could have a cloud of fpga's
mircea_popescu: those things may be used to possibly fold, for instance, but only if you do some transforms on the fold problem to make it like a hash
mod6: im talking about the same thing as the guy was trying to sell from BTC FPGA
mod6: sorry, im wicked tired
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2600 @ 0.00475103 = 12.3527 BTC [+]
mod6: anyway, was a dream I had this morning
mircea_popescu: mod6 due to painfully obvious market inefficiency i would say by the time 3rd generation asics are here
mircea_popescu: we will be awash in useless chips to do any research w/e
mod6: hmm.. yeah, we'll just have to see what these guys can come up with
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3100 @ 0.00471726 = 14.6235 BTC [-]
mod6: so, ok yeah. i see that they are different from this chart
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2100 @ 0.00472941 = 9.9318 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1400 @ 0.00471726 = 6.6042 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2654 @ 0.00475103 = 12.6092 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1196 @ 0.00475106 = 5.6823 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 750 @ 0.00471726 = 3.5379 BTC [-]
dub: fpga has is an array of various logic units that can operate in a number of ways, you give it a program of sorts telling it what you want them to behave and route between each other
thestringpuller: did you ever find out if it was a dns attack or direct to your ip?
mod6: i was thinking with the way that the fpga could be reprogrammed on the fly, it could be used in an elastic environment
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller it took out the entire gold network at gnax atlanta.
dub: asic is bascially taking that 'program' and building somethign specific for it
dub: hence the Feild Programable and Application Specific portions
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 1 @ 0.79 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C120T] 500 @ 0.2328178 = 116.4089 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C130T] 750 @ 0.17610041 = 132.0753 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 750 @ 0.00474618 = 3.5596 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3000 @ 0.00471726 = 14.1518 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11450 @ 0.00065936 = 7.5497 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 734 @ 0.00471726 = 3.4625 BTC [-]
dub: mircea_popescu: did the dos come with an extortion attempt or anything?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1600 @ 0.00474093 = 7.5855 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BVPS] 156 @ 0.00635539 = 0.9914 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2500 @ 0.00471726 = 11.7932 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 5 @ 0.4111 = 2.0555 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 13 @ 0.411 = 5.343 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 15 @ 0.33 = 4.95 BTC [+]
Namworld: ... I want to short some of these...
Korbman: gah, I'm sooo bored at work today
Namworld: Sure no one has something they'd lend for a fee?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1616 @ 0.00471726 = 7.6231 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 384 @ 0.00471725 = 1.8114 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 450 @ 0.00474093 = 2.1334 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 450 @ 0.0047 = 2.115 BTC [+]
jcpham: i have no choice but continue to mine & hoard
jcpham: i set my pool payout address to 1Dice because i can
jurov: looks like mpoe-pr has heard my plea for succinct sample of her personality
jcpham: one big house of cards
jcpham: you can thank me later for propping it up
mircea_popescu: "Another delay we've had to endure is the fact that we have effectively tied the ASIC teams payment to the success of the chip. If the chip were to be a failure they don't get paid... so they have incentive to get it right but that has made them very cautious and slow to approve final masks"
mircea_popescu: i never heard of engineers working on that sort of retainer.
Korbman: I know some lawyers that do
Korbman: especially if they know they have a solid case
Korbman: there are plenty of blue collar jobs that use the same system, particularly in agriculture
Bugpowder: it is way more lucrative than hourly
Bugpowder: if you have the right case pipeline
Korbman: and if you're a fast and accurate worker, you can surpass hourly workers regularly
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 116 @ 0.00471725 = 0.5472 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2767 @ 0.00470902 = 13.0299 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 900 @ 0.00466459 = 4.1981 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 179 @ 0.00466414 = 0.8349 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: In my limited experience with silicon mfg contracting, you send a detailed spec sheet. If they don't meet the spec, they don't get paid.
Bugpowder: Of course, there is a discussion about the spec
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder and yes some lawyers do, but only when they make more that way
mircea_popescu: which is moot since he;'s arguing it as a cost reduction measure
mircea_popescu: in general you should be able to borrow to pay a fixed retainer rather than have to offer the laywer a % as in personal injury cases
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 350 @ 0.00466414 = 1.6324 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 196 @ 0.00466414 = 0.9142 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 264 @ 0.00465692 = 1.2294 BTC [-]
Namworld: Hmm, looks like Gigavps has actually started paying people...
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 1 @ 0.79 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 50 @ 0.00474093 = 0.237 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2179 @ 0.00475106 = 10.3526 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.48 = 4.8 BTC [-]
dub: mircea_popescu: doesn't sound far fetched at all
Namworld: I suppose you're still not going to claim them tho? =/
dub: a contract with the manufacturer that they don't get paid if its not delivered
mircea_popescu: dub manufacturer yes. the thread looks like it's about the desginer team.
mircea_popescu: Namworld you think 50 btc or w/e it is changes my mind about stuff like submitting us taxids ?!
dub: lots of things I work on are more punitive, ie we start paying penalties for late delivery as well as not getting paid
Namworld: It doesn't require US tax ID but eh
dub: im talking things that need design/build to be delivered
dub: similar situation, customer wants x to do y in z, a project arises to achieve it funded by the promise of its success
dub: failure is a, not uncommon, calculated risk
dub: one spectacular project failure in recent years resulted in a $50m writeoff
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1550 @ 0.00475106 = 7.3641 BTC [+]
dub: just what was spent on land/kit/ip for a build out before deciding it wasn't going to return capital
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3075 @ 0.00475106 = 14.6095 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 71 @ 0.00475111 = 0.3373 BTC [+]
Namworld: That wasted money would have been better spent on my little selfish person... 50 million...
dub: its pocket change really
dub: that was just a pilot for what would have cost a billion+
Namworld: They should run a pilot project on wether if they give me 50 million, I'll have 50 million.
mircea_popescu: they're still falling over each other with this non-bitcoin online payments thing ?
jcpham: but with a new carriage compnay though
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1900 @ 0.00475111 = 9.0271 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: would kick all ass too. if i was ceo of bmw i'd totally do that
mircea_popescu: unveil a horsedrawn carriage at the 2013 whatever expo
dub: I'd scrap all the BMWs and resell toyota
dub: thats because you have never driven a car
mircea_popescu: in fact i've never bought anything other than germanz.
jcpham: if you own a horse and a plow you can probably grow your own food to
jcpham: or grow lots of your own food
jcpham: i'd drive the carriage
jurov: i've seen them firsthand on vienna pride 2012.. lovely
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 77 @ 0.01 = 0.77 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 200 @ 0.00470888 = 0.9418 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [SYNERGY] 1 @ 0.13 BTC
assbot: [BTCTC] [SYNERGY] 1 @ 0.1613 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: so a week or so ago - was it a week jurov ? - i was dealing with people rounding off the last two digits
kakobrekla: i dunno who is the attention whore on that last pic
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 578 @ 0.00468969 = 2.7106 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2418 @ 0.00466509 = 11.2802 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 619 @ 0.00465692 = 2.8826 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 8 @ 0.79 = 6.32 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: yeah pregenerated disposable addys ftw
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2300 @ 0.00470888 = 10.8304 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1483 @ 0.00475108 = 7.0459 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2200 @ 0.00475108 = 10.4524 BTC [+]
jurov: yes, noreadingfags
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 117 @ 0.00465692 = 0.5449 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1100 @ 0.00463 = 5.093 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 483 @ 0.00462501 = 2.2339 BTC [-]
Schadenfreude: Half negress posing as soldier, what's so special about it?
mircea_popescu: special ? nothing's special, what are you, a romantic ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 450 @ 0.00470759 = 2.1184 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 727 @ 0.00475101 = 3.454 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3066 @ 0.00471989 = 14.4712 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2817 @ 0.00470759 = 13.2613 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: this is funny, my book is almost equally divided calls/puts.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2233 @ 0.00470759 = 10.512 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 4850 @ 0.0046602 = 22.602 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 14.29004, Best ask: 14.34998, Bid-ask spread: 0.05994, Last trade: 14.29004, 24 hour volume: 51477.40480267, 24 hour low: 13.99178, 24 hour high: 14.47899, 24 hour vwap: 14.20207
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 822 @ 0.0046602 = 3.8307 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3567 @ 0.00467875 = 16.6891 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3150 @ 0.00463188 = 14.5904 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1350 @ 0.00462501 = 6.2438 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 417 @ 0.00462501 = 1.9286 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1183 @ 0.00462455 = 5.4708 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1200 @ 0.00463216 = 5.5586 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3450 @ 0.00462455 = 15.9547 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2100 @ 0.00463216 = 9.7275 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1900 @ 0.00463216 = 8.8011 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 77 @ 0.0047 = 0.3619 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 18 @ 0.33 = 5.94 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2200 @ 0.0046278 = 10.1812 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 550 @ 0.00463216 = 2.5477 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2048 @ 0.00463483 = 9.4921 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2 @ 0.00463807 = 0.0093 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 432 @ 0.00462458 = 1.9978 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2086 @ 0.00462455 = 9.6468 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00449484 / 0.00467464 / 0.00475112 (528892 shares, 2,472.38 BTC), 7D: 0.00449034 / 0.00466731 / 0.0048 (1978804 shares, 9,235.70 BTC), 30D: 0.0014 / 0.00361629 / 0.0048 (11800824 shares, 42,675.25 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00063095 / 0.00065714 / 0.00066 (348511 shares, 229.02 BTC), 7D: 0.00062769 / 0.00065782 / 0.00066 (6823379 shares, 4,488.62 BTC), 30D: 0.00058738 / 0.00063615 / 0.00066 (43800018 shares, 27,863.71 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 432 @ 0.00463803 = 2.0036 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 8676 @ 0.00463807 = 40.2399 BTC [+]
gribble: use the 'gentime' command instead
gribble: The average time to generate a block at 135.0 Mhps, given difficulty of 3249549.58449, is 3 years, 14 weeks, 3 days, 13 hours, 56 minutes, and 48 seconds
gribble: The average time to generate a block at 135000.0 Mhps, given difficulty of 3249549.58449, is 1 day, 4 hours, 43 minutes, and 4 seconds
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.00463806 = 2.319 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 200 @ 0.00463807 = 0.9276 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 598 @ 0.0099 = 5.9202 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 432 @ 0.00463086 = 2.0005 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2218 @ 0.00463081 = 10.2711 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 432 @ 0.00463802 = 2.0036 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 568 @ 0.00463806 = 2.6344 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 432 @ 0.00463082 = 2.0005 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 932 @ 0.00463081 = 4.3159 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 231 @ 0.00462455 = 1.0683 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 60 @ 0.00462455 = 0.2775 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 645 @ 0.00462281 = 2.9817 BTC [-]
pigeons: just pasted from the forum
mircea_popescu: that looks like one of the nicer spots, towards the park.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 432 @ 0.00462286 = 1.9971 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 868 @ 0.00462281 = 4.0126 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 432 @ 0.00463802 = 2.0036 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 182 @ 0.00463806 = 0.8441 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1654 @ 0.00463807 = 7.6714 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 8 @ 0.79 = 6.32 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 10 @ 0.84 = 8.4 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 2 @ 0.849 = 1.698 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 2 @ 0.0047 = 0.0094 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 432 @ 0.00463804 = 2.0036 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 168 @ 0.00463807 = 0.7792 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1200 @ 0.00466124 = 5.5935 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1088 @ 0.00466698 = 5.0777 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1049 @ 0.00466698 = 4.8957 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 333 @ 0.00467875 = 1.558 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 518 @ 0.00469272 = 2.4308 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2800 @ 0.00469272 = 13.1396 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 432 @ 0.00463464 = 2.0022 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1468 @ 0.00463459 = 6.8036 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 432 @ 0.00463462 = 2.0022 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 432 @ 0.0046346 = 2.0021 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 582 @ 0.00463459 = 2.6973 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 4 @ 0.00462285 = 0.0185 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 432 @ 0.0046229 = 1.9971 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 861 @ 0.00462285 = 3.9803 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1537 @ 0.00462281 = 7.1053 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 370 @ 0.00461942 = 1.7092 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2050 @ 0.00463655 = 9.5049 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2880 @ 0.00461942 = 13.3039 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2270 @ 0.00461489 = 10.4758 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 432 @ 0.0046927 = 2.0272 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3678 @ 0.00469272 = 17.2598 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 705 @ 0.004695 = 3.31 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 432 @ 0.0046149 = 1.9936 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 930 @ 0.00461489 = 4.2918 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 88 @ 0.00460968 = 0.4057 BTC [-]
gribble: Current Blocks: 216716 | Current Difficulty: 3249549.5844872 | Next Difficulty At Block: 217727 | Next Difficulty In: 1011 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 17 hours, 21 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 2958271.49649687 | Estimated Percent Change: -8.96364497347
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1931 @ 0.00460968 = 8.9013 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 4069 @ 0.00460366 = 18.7323 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1470 @ 0.00459927 = 6.7609 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 726 @ 0.0006546 = 0.4752 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29110 @ 0.00065459 = 19.0551 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4264 @ 0.00065363 = 2.7871 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1824 @ 0.00459927 = 8.3891 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 510 @ 0.00465394 = 2.3735 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 432 @ 0.0046543 = 2.0107 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 432 @ 0.0046543 = 2.0107 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1800 @ 0.00465431 = 8.3778 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 624 @ 0.00465996 = 2.9078 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 545 @ 0.004695 = 2.5588 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1500 @ 0.00470171 = 7.0526 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 698 @ 0.00470707 = 3.2855 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1100 @ 0.00460113 = 5.0612 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1200 @ 0.00465223 = 5.5827 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 427 @ 0.00470707 = 2.0099 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1467 @ 0.00471289 = 6.9138 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 432 @ 0.00459928 = 1.9869 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1384 @ 0.00459927 = 6.3654 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1082 @ 0.00459916 = 4.9763 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 600 @ 0.00459239 = 2.7554 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 172 @ 0.00459179 = 0.7898 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 432 @ 0.0046523 = 2.0098 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 618 @ 0.00465229 = 2.8751 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1182 @ 0.00465229 = 5.499 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2118 @ 0.00459179 = 9.7254 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 432 @ 0.00471286 = 2.036 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1568 @ 0.00471289 = 7.3898 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.0047 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 432 @ 0.00471284 = 2.0359 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 432 @ 0.00471286 = 2.036 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 432 @ 0.00471286 = 2.036 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1240 @ 0.00471289 = 5.844 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1414 @ 0.00471489 = 6.6669 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2000 @ 0.00471489 = 9.4298 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 432 @ 0.00469631 = 2.0288 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 168 @ 0.00469628 = 0.789 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 432 @ 0.00471487 = 2.0368 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 636 @ 0.00471489 = 2.9987 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2900 @ 0.00472584 = 13.7049 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 600 @ 0.00473143 = 2.8389 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 432 @ 0.00469633 = 2.0288 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2382 @ 0.00469628 = 11.1865 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.41 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 10 @ 0.41 = 4.1 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.4061 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 13 @ 0.406 = 5.278 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 6 @ 0.403 = 2.418 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.449 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 336 @ 0.0046911 = 1.5762 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00471486 = 4.7149 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1364 @ 0.00473143 = 6.4537 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 432 @ 0.00464762 = 2.0078 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 432 @ 0.00464762 = 2.0078 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1236 @ 0.00464758 = 5.7444 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 3 @ 0.301 = 0.903 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 40 @ 0.3 = 12 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19850 @ 0.00065364 = 12.9748 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27836 @ 0.00065363 = 18.1944 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6414 @ 0.00065135 = 4.1778 BTC [-]
pigeons: mircea_popescu is trying to push Namjiies into using the rota one way or another ;)
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 1 @ 0.006 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 33 @ 0.3299 = 10.8867 BTC [+]
Namworld: no... I wanted to stick around but eh
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 432 @ 0.0047077 = 2.0337 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2100 @ 0.00470774 = 9.8863 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2700 @ 0.0047133 = 12.7259 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3436 @ 0.00473143 = 16.2572 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1580 @ 0.00473148 = 7.4757 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 4000 @ 0.00474996 = 18.9998 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 5670 @ 0.00474999 = 26.9324 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3670 @ 0.00475002 = 17.4326 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 9990 @ 0.00475009 = 47.4534 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 373 @ 0.00475101 = 1.7721 BTC [+]
Namworld: My copartners weren't too enthusiastic. I managed to convince them on a new contract, but we're real turtles
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3317 @ 0.00475108 = 15.7593 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3029 @ 0.00475111 = 14.3911 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 4328 @ 0.00475112 = 20.5628 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 4027 @ 0.00475112 = 19.1328 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 229 @ 0.00475127 = 1.088 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2200 @ 0.00475193 = 10.4542 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00475247 = 4.7525 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1700 @ 0.00475614 = 8.0854 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1585 @ 0.00475625 = 7.5387 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3006 @ 0.00475847 = 14.304 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1050 @ 0.00475908 = 4.997 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 4450 @ 0.00475914 = 21.1782 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 20000 @ 0.00476 = 95.2 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3800 @ 0.00476002 = 18.0881 BTC [+]
Namworld: Well with rg's previous violations too, no financial statements plus neglect.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 5200 @ 0.0047614 = 24.7593 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3300 @ 0.00476203 = 15.7147 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1855 @ 0.00476745 = 8.8436 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 7187 @ 0.00476839 = 34.2704 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 350 @ 0.00476914 = 1.6692 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 4050 @ 0.00477094 = 19.3223 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2950 @ 0.00477199 = 14.0774 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1056 @ 0.00477363 = 5.041 BTC [+]
Namworld: Guess we're not up to MPEx's standards.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1700 @ 0.00477406 = 8.1159 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 529 @ 0.00477469 = 2.5258 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1938 @ 0.00477525 = 9.2544 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1650 @ 0.00477533 = 7.8793 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1400 @ 0.00477577 = 6.6861 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1200 @ 0.00477619 = 5.7314 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2782 @ 0.00477922 = 13.2958 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1250 @ 0.00477933 = 5.9742 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1200 @ 0.00478196 = 5.7384 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1224 @ 0.00478275 = 5.8541 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3550 @ 0.00478339 = 16.981 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1550 @ 0.0047848 = 7.4164 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2050 @ 0.00478494 = 9.8091 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 850 @ 0.00478529 = 4.0675 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 4700 @ 0.00478529 = 22.4909 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1366 @ 0.0047853 = 6.5367 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1370 @ 0.0047887 = 6.5605 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1089 @ 0.00479075 = 5.2171 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1405 @ 0.00479079 = 6.7311 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 739 @ 0.00479383 = 3.5426 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3800 @ 0.00479515 = 18.2216 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 163 @ 0.00479613 = 0.7818 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 4532 @ 0.00479624 = 21.7366 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1800 @ 0.00479836 = 8.637 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2150 @ 0.00479859 = 10.317 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 4071 @ 0.00479887 = 19.5362 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3300 @ 0.00479891 = 15.8364 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2504 @ 0.00479944 = 12.0178 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 249513 @ 0.0048 = 1197.6624 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2100 @ 0.00480255 = 10.0854 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1100 @ 0.00480415 = 5.2846 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 823 @ 0.00480454 = 3.9541 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1126 @ 0.00480477 = 5.4102 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 770 @ 0.00480607 = 3.7007 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3332 @ 0.00480648 = 16.0152 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2100 @ 0.00480769 = 10.0961 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3500 @ 0.00480771 = 16.827 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1068 @ 0.00480836 = 5.1353 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2184 @ 0.00480844 = 10.5016 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2203 @ 0.0048088 = 10.5938 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 550 @ 0.00480882 = 2.6449 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2350 @ 0.00480946 = 11.3022 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 4350 @ 0.00480947 = 20.9212 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 600 @ 0.00481158 = 2.8869 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2600 @ 0.00481168 = 12.5104 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2000 @ 0.00481194 = 9.6239 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2500 @ 0.00481305 = 12.0326 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1400 @ 0.00481453 = 6.7403 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 350 @ 0.0048158 = 1.6855 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 650 @ 0.00481605 = 3.1304 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3819 @ 0.00481704 = 18.3963 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1606 @ 0.0048176 = 7.7371 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.00481882 = 2.4094 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 5550 @ 0.00481908 = 26.7459 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3143 @ 0.0048201 = 15.1496 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2750 @ 0.00482146 = 13.259 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3600 @ 0.00482248 = 17.3609 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2656 @ 0.00482339 = 12.8109 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2676 @ 0.00482662 = 12.916 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 4996 @ 0.00483162 = 24.1388 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1550 @ 0.00483188 = 7.4894 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 4600 @ 0.00483298 = 22.2317 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2900 @ 0.00483332 = 14.0166 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2400 @ 0.00483545 = 11.6051 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 603 @ 0.00483635 = 2.9163 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 5000 @ 0.00483632 = 24.1816 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 432 @ 0.00483634 = 2.0893 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1097 @ 0.00483635 = 5.3055 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1606 @ 0.00483735 = 7.7688 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 572 @ 0.00483826 = 2.7675 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 4900 @ 0.00483927 = 23.7124 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 200 @ 0.00483967 = 0.9679 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2300 @ 0.0048409 = 11.1341 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2900 @ 0.00484094 = 14.0387 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 993 @ 0.00484477 = 4.8109 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.0045637 / 0.00474129 / 0.00484477 (1020519 shares, 4,838.58 BTC), 7D: 0.00449034 / 0.00469048 / 0.00484477 (2519971 shares, 11,819.89 BTC), 30D: 0.0014 / 0.00367557 / 0.00484477 (12302512 shares, 45,218.75 BTC)
Namworld: I purchased for like 3% of that
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 869 @ 0.00482809 = 4.1956 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: i mean i recall 18s flashing at some point, bu that'd be 35%
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 431 @ 0.00484468 = 2.0881 BTC [+]
Namworld: I mean I bought 3% of what what just sold (100/3000)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00065472 = 0.6547 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17550 @ 0.00065473 = 11.4905 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18294 @ 0.00065928 = 12.0609 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22256 @ 0.00066 = 14.689 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1200 @ 0.00468878 = 5.6265 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00467321 = 4.6732 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 432 @ 0.0046732 = 2.0188 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1074 @ 0.00467318 = 5.019 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 432 @ 0.00467319 = 2.0188 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2318 @ 0.00467318 = 10.8324 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2115 @ 0.00467318 = 9.8838 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 493 @ 0.00467318 = 2.3039 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1400 @ 0.00467314 = 6.5424 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.00466677 = 2.3334 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1464 @ 0.00464758 = 6.8041 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1843 @ 0.00463134 = 8.5356 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 635 @ 0.00468499 = 2.975 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 432 @ 0.00468874 = 2.0255 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1783 @ 0.00468878 = 8.3601 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4333 @ 0.00066 = 2.8598 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8517 @ 0.00066182 = 5.6367 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 432 @ 0.00463139 = 2.0008 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1518 @ 0.00463134 = 7.0304 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 3 @ 0.3 = 0.9 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 432 @ 0.00466308 = 2.0145 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 842 @ 0.0046631 = 3.9263 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1231 @ 0.0046631 = 5.7403 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 669 @ 0.00468878 = 3.1368 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 432 @ 0.00468877 = 2.0255 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 598 @ 0.00468878 = 2.8039 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 300 @ 0.00469826 = 1.4095 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 840 @ 0.00470414 = 3.9515 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 250 @ 0.00468876 = 1.1722 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 10 @ 0.00470414 = 0.047 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1140 @ 0.00471199 = 5.3717 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 250 @ 0.00465778 = 1.1644 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 432 @ 0.00465777 = 2.0122 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2468 @ 0.00465776 = 11.4954 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 432 @ 0.00471196 = 2.0356 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1093 @ 0.00471199 = 5.1502 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 60 @ 0.00475 = 0.285 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2800 @ 0.00477384 = 13.3668 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1300 @ 0.00476791 = 6.1983 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2750 @ 0.00477384 = 13.1281 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2155 @ 0.00477384 = 10.2876 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1379 @ 0.00478897 = 6.604 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.01 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 366 @ 0.00478897 = 1.7528 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1900 @ 0.00478897 = 9.099 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 50 @ 0.00476791 = 0.2384 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 550 @ 0.00476541 = 2.621 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 505 @ 0.00478897 = 2.4184 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 695 @ 0.00479038 = 3.3293 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1455 @ 0.00479038 = 6.97 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3400 @ 0.00481849 = 16.3829 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2545 @ 0.00483033 = 12.2932 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1400 @ 0.00478117 = 6.6936 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 165 @ 0.00476541 = 0.7863 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 495 @ 0.00467781 = 2.3155 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 432 @ 0.00467785 = 2.0208 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 779 @ 0.00467781 = 3.644 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 39 @ 0.00465776 = 0.1817 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 432 @ 0.00465777 = 2.0122 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 426 @ 0.00465776 = 1.9842 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 1 @ 0.849 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 432 @ 0.00468166 = 2.0225 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2767 @ 0.00468168 = 12.9542 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2218 @ 0.00468607 = 10.3937 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 4 @ 0.0073 = 0.0292 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1300 @ 0.00480297 = 6.2439 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 471 @ 0.00470726 = 2.2171 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1110 @ 0.00465777 = 5.1701 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 719 @ 0.00465776 = 3.3489 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 400 @ 0.00474762 = 1.899 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 432 @ 0.00478485 = 2.0671 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1918 @ 0.00478489 = 9.1774 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00474761 = 4.7476 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 536 @ 0.00478489 = 2.5647 BTC [+]
xza: looks like mpex lost another stock and this time it's S.BVPS
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.00479479 = 2.3974 BTC [+]
xza: lol @ "mpex is like a fart in a small room"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1850 @ 0.00479479 = 8.8704 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 3 @ 0.32 = 0.96 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 7 @ 0.33 = 2.31 BTC [+]
xza: I this one going to be just deleted or will there be some type of buyback by BVPS new owners?
gribble: Namworld was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 5 hours and 58 seconds ago: <Namworld> I mean I bought 3% of what what just sold (100/3000)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00483029 = 4.8303 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1110 @ 0.0048303 = 5.3616 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1690 @ 0.00483033 = 8.1633 BTC [+]
pigeons: namworld said something like, "well i would have liked to have stayed [on mpex]"
pigeons: so basically, delisted & deleted, yeah
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 100 @ 0.0047 = 0.47 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1392 @ 0.00483033 = 6.7238 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 808 @ 0.00483414 = 3.906 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 1 @ 0.85 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 414 @ 0.00479479 = 1.985 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LTC-MINING] 1 @ 0.4489 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1015 @ 0.00473864 = 4.8097 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [SYNERGY] 1 @ 0.17 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00473864 = 4.7386 BTC [-]
pigeons: well, i don't think that's likely any time soon ;)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 432 @ 0.00466092 = 2.0135 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1140 @ 0.00466088 = 5.3134 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2028 @ 0.00466087 = 9.4522 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 432 @ 0.00466088 = 2.0135 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1468 @ 0.00466087 = 6.8422 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3850 @ 0.00466087 = 17.9443 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 432 @ 0.00466269 = 2.0143 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 472 @ 0.0046627 = 2.2008 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1700 @ 0.00471288 = 8.0119 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 321 @ 0.00473864 = 1.5211 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 432 @ 0.00477105 = 2.0611 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1950 @ 0.00480079 = 9.3615 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 800 @ 0.00477105 = 3.8168 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1050 @ 0.00480163 = 5.0417 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10700 @ 0.00065135 = 6.9694 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 250 @ 0.00480163 = 1.2004 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1140 @ 0.00483413 = 5.5109 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1460 @ 0.00483414 = 7.0578 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 182 @ 0.00483414 = 0.8798 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1786 @ 0.00483969 = 8.6437 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00484467 = 4.8447 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 6000 @ 0.00484471 = 29.0683 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1407 @ 0.00484477 = 6.8166 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 6500 @ 0.0048463 = 31.501 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1594 @ 0.00484657 = 7.7254 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 450 @ 0.00484813 = 2.1817 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3000 @ 0.00484969 = 14.5491 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1042 @ 0.00485024 = 5.054 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2000 @ 0.00485041 = 9.7008 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1300 @ 0.00485166 = 6.3072 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1350 @ 0.0048524 = 6.5507 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2639 @ 0.00485503 = 12.8124 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1800 @ 0.00485543 = 8.7398 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 600 @ 0.00485809 = 2.9149 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2150 @ 0.00485842 = 10.4456 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1950 @ 0.00485909 = 9.4752 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1999 @ 0.00486072 = 9.7166 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1100 @ 0.00486132 = 5.3475 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1762 @ 0.00486381 = 8.57 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 900 @ 0.00486496 = 4.3785 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2050 @ 0.00486548 = 9.9742 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1400 @ 0.00486597 = 6.8124 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3800 @ 0.00486909 = 18.5025 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 281 @ 0.00487219 = 1.3691 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 300 @ 0.00487709 = 1.4631 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00487737 = 4.8774 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1700 @ 0.00487916 = 8.2946 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 4500 @ 0.00488299 = 21.9735 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1600 @ 0.00488501 = 7.816 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2150 @ 0.00488596 = 10.5048 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 831 @ 0.00488796 = 4.0619 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1700 @ 0.00489217 = 8.3167 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1678 @ 0.00489501 = 8.2138 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 200 @ 0.00490112 = 0.9802 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1392 @ 0.00490169 = 6.8232 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1850 @ 0.00490463 = 9.0736 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1477 @ 0.00490471 = 7.2443 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 6400 @ 0.00491218 = 31.438 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1717 @ 0.00491791 = 8.4441 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 850 @ 0.00492349 = 4.185 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1800 @ 0.00496217 = 8.9319 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2899 @ 0.00496697 = 14.3992 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00459179 / 0.00476033 / 0.00496697 (999144 shares, 4,756.26 BTC), 7D: 0.00449034 / 0.00469691 / 0.00496697 (2656795 shares, 12,478.73 BTC), 30D: 0.0014 / 0.00369229 / 0.00496697 (12482087 shares, 46,087.58 BTC)
Schadenfreude: So people buy up everything below a certain price and sell for an inflated price since nobody can't undercut them? This is better than video games
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1600 @ 0.00498009 = 7.9681 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1049 @ 0.00511655 = 5.3673 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1200 @ 0.00517869 = 6.2144 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 151 @ 0.0052 = 0.7852 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1405 @ 0.00477105 = 6.7033 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1170 @ 0.00466088 = 5.4532 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 654 @ 0.00466087 = 3.0482 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00465781 = 4.6578 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2348 @ 0.00465776 = 10.9364 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 800 @ 0.00465771 = 3.7262 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3398 @ 0.00465496 = 15.8176 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1354 @ 0.00464553 = 6.29 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3800 @ 0.00464286 = 17.6429 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1197 @ 0.00463134 = 5.5437 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1544 @ 0.0046212 = 7.1351 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 800 @ 0.00462007 = 3.6961 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 60 @ 0.00462007 = 0.2772 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: then people sell for a deflated price
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2400 @ 0.00460781 = 11.0587 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1211 @ 0.00460739 = 5.5795 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 6300 @ 0.0046006 = 28.9838 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1006 @ 0.00459645 = 4.624 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 10 @ 0.00459179 = 0.0459 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 4441 @ 0.00459038 = 20.3859 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 8650 @ 0.00458829 = 39.6887 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 918 @ 0.00458368 = 4.2078 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2850 @ 0.00458256 = 13.0603 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1200 @ 0.00458093 = 5.4971 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 4527 @ 0.00457702 = 20.7202 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3000 @ 0.00457629 = 13.7289 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.00457596 = 2.288 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3000 @ 0.00457533 = 13.726 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2600 @ 0.00457532 = 11.8958 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1900 @ 0.00457478 = 8.6921 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2207 @ 0.00457186 = 10.0901 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1600 @ 0.00456414 = 7.3026 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2125 @ 0.0045637 = 9.6979 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1850 @ 0.00456194 = 8.4396 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1400 @ 0.00455617 = 6.3786 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1200 @ 0.00455456 = 5.4655 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3300 @ 0.00455309 = 15.0252 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2500 @ 0.00455263 = 11.3816 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.00455239 = 2.2762 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 4266 @ 0.00455073 = 19.4134 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 8800 @ 0.00455006 = 40.0405 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 4750 @ 0.00454746 = 21.6004 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1308 @ 0.00454703 = 5.9475 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 14.48503, Best ask: 14.50000, Bid-ask spread: 0.01497, Last trade: 14.48503, 24 hour volume: 35761.68913453, 24 hour low: 14.15850, 24 hour high: 14.50000, 24 hour vwap: 14.33216
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3340 @ 0.00479994 = 16.0318 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 60 @ 0.00473687 = 0.2842 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 432 @ 0.00473688 = 2.0463 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1006 @ 0.00473687 = 4.7653 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.00480643 = 2.4032 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK:SDICE] 1D: 0.48000000 / 0.48 / 0.48000000 (251 shares, 120.48000000 BTC), 7D: 0.47500000 / 0.4819037 / 0.50000000 (945 shares, 455.39900000 BTC), 30D: 0.37000000 / 0.45293345 / 0.62000000 (3516 shares, 1592.51399998 BTC)
assbot: Did you kill the white man who killed you?
assbot: I prepared your canoe with cedar boughs.
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00454703 / 0.00474688 / 0.0052 (1089738 shares, 5,172.86 BTC), 7D: 0.00449034 / 0.00469333 / 0.0052 (2750047 shares, 12,906.88 BTC), 30D: 0.0014 / 0.00370038 / 0.0052 (12586674 shares, 46,575.50 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1050 @ 0.00480643 = 5.0468 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 850 @ 0.00473687 = 4.0263 BTC [-]
jurov: thestringpuller, namworld+arij+phungus
topace: oh wow the 0.0048 wall dissappeared
Bugpowder: yeah its amazing what happens when you forget a zero
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 432 @ 0.00484313 = 2.0922 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1170 @ 0.00484315 = 5.6665 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2250 @ 0.00484316 = 10.8971 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1400 @ 0.00500243 = 7.0034 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 4000 @ 0.00511056 = 20.4422 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 695 @ 0.00511057 = 3.5518 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: I just realized the massive dump after it was me missing a zero
Bugpowder: at least it was only 100,000 shares
topace: well seems to be trading higher now anyways
topace: you spooked the market
topace: you can sell them at a profit
Schadenfreude: And I thought you were one of the crazy people buying everything up until they have a monopoly and then selling for insane prices
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 53 @ 0.0052 = 0.2756 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: jurov: do you still use BitVps? They should just run openstack like rackspace and become BitCloud
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00454703 / 0.00474916 / 0.0052 (1101638 shares, 5,231.86 BTC), 7D: 0.00449034 / 0.00469447 / 0.0052 (2759747 shares, 12,955.57 BTC), 30D: 0.0014 / 0.00370156 / 0.0052 (12598574 shares, 46,634.50 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX:S.BVPS] 1D: 0.00635539 / 0.00635539 / 0.00635539 (156 shares, 0.99 BTC), 7D: 0.00635539 / 0.00635539 / 0.00635541 (196 shares, 1.25 BTC), 30D: 0.00200003 / 0.00337645 / 0.00635541 (13429 shares, 45.34 BTC)
Bugpowder: gotta stop trading while distracted with a baby
Bugpowder: I'm like... damn that is weird price action following a big buy...
Bugpowder: I think I just need to turn it off for a while
jurov: Bugpowder, time to fund development of a usable mpex desktop app, no?
Bugpowder: It's not like this shit doesnt happen everyday
jurov: pympex does not show you "btc total"
jurov: that would perhaps have alerted you
Bugpowder: a confirmation step would be great actually
topace: anything thats an order of magnitude out of the expected range should throw a big warning :p
Bugpowder: Well if anyone that bought shares in that dump would like to sell them back to me for a reasonable profit, I have thrown up some bids :-)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1752 @ 0.00477623 = 8.368 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 19 @ 0.48 = 9.12 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: Actually, it would be trivial to add a sanity check to the pyMPEX script.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 0.95 BTC [+]
jurov: Bugpowder, I'll do it in a while.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 432 @ 0.00474004 = 2.0477 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 890 @ 0.00474 = 4.2186 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: This might be my first down day in USD terms since Dec 23rd
Bugpowder: I bet that buyout of the 48 wall happend when a mini-whale was on a losing streak
Bugpowder: I think S.DICE is destined to go up until Erik puts another IPO wall up
Bugpowder: slowly removing avabilable shares from MPEX
Bugpowder: dice expected profits is 1.9% of bet volume
Bugpowder: sdice never pays a negative dividend
Bugpowder: but the dividends will go in a whole
Bugpowder: if there was negative return in a month
thestringpuller: like the month the mpoe bot was subjected to inside trading
Bugpowder: dividend is calculated based on total profits since last payout. no payout if no dividend
xza: thestringpuller: hwo do you know it's not happening every day? (inside trading)
xza: examine your ignore list EskimoBob :)
xza: mpoe is a really strange name
gigavps: i hope everyone is having a lovely day
gigavps: i'm in shorts and a teeshirt
xza: -12C but will be -28C on weekend
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 14.45001, Best ask: 14.47999, Bid-ask spread: 0.02998, Last trade: 14.47999, 24 hour volume: 38390.50736602, 24 hour low: 14.15850, 24 hour high: 14.51000, 24 hour vwap: 14.35733
jcpham: waiting on the repairman
jcpham: compressor sounds like seized motor
jcpham: high-side of compessor is burning to touch
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 9590 @ 0.00474 = 45.4566 BTC [-]
jcpham: gigavps does it ever get cold their
jcpham: i've never been to florida in the winter iirc
gigavps: it got into the 50s a couple weeks ago
gigavps: but i could go swimming on a day like today
jcpham: sucks because most of my bad weather comes from that direction
jcpham: cold front, warm front
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 432 @ 0.00474637 = 2.0504 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2550 @ 0.00474639 = 12.1033 BTC [+]
gigavps: EskimoBob that is redonkulous
gigavps: no wonder you have Eskimo in your handle
gigavps: and here i thought you were being cheeky
Bugpowder: you are in some nice a mild climate compared to there
gigavps: Bugpowder you talkin to me?
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 3 @ 0.01 = 0.03 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3400 @ 0.00482168 = 16.3937 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 18 @ 0.00475777 = 0.0856 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 432 @ 0.00474004 = 2.0477 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 450 @ 0.00474 = 2.133 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 432 @ 0.00475788 = 2.0554 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1500 @ 0.00475792 = 7.1369 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1300 @ 0.00482168 = 6.2682 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1624 @ 0.00482656 = 7.8383 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P150T] 100 @ 0.0975 = 9.75 BTC [-]
Schadenfreude: jurov: I canceled on of my coinbr orders, its status is 'manual' with the btc not credited yet, what's up with that?
jurov: Schadenfreude, looking into that...
Ukto: manual? did you read it? :P j/k
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 68 @ 0.00475797 = 0.3235 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 652 @ 0.00475237 = 3.0985 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 530 @ 0.00474 = 2.5122 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 301 @ 0.00482656 = 1.4528 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1841 @ 0.00484562 = 8.9208 BTC [+]
jurov: 'manual' means there's snafu and admin should fix it (we get a notification, too)
jurov: sometimes that monkey we have here for matching mpex orders just gives up :P
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 14.51471, Best ask: 14.54000, Bid-ask spread: 0.02529, Last trade: 14.54000, 24 hour volume: 37409.22540529, 24 hour low: 14.15850, 24 hour high: 14.54000, 24 hour vwap: 14.37244
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 525 @ 0.00478213 = 2.5106 BTC [-]
jurov: very quick version, it asks confirmation for all commands, with BUY/SELL/WITHDRAW shows also BTC amount
Bugpowder: sweet. I will incorporate into my version
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 14.52202, Best ask: 14.59900, Bid-ask spread: 0.07698, Last trade: 14.59900, 24 hour volume: 38173.79747892, 24 hour low: 14.15850, 24 hour high: 14.59900, 24 hour vwap: 14.37755
smickles: thestringpuller: yes, i'm here. I'll be filing for licenses soon :D
jurov: added few more goodies to pimpex - option to use gpg- agent, option to disable prompt
smickles: thestringpuller: yes, I believe I can legally begin doing business once I get a city business license :D
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00065412 = 3.2706 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00065413 = 0.6541 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3800 @ 0.00065414 = 2.4857 BTC [+]
jurov: Bugpowder, is it okay? my addy: 1D7JQMhZ3R1uqpcwkSH7RmradQLNZHUuSV
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 432 @ 0.00474002 = 2.0477 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2400 @ 0.00474001 = 11.376 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 368 @ 0.00474 = 1.7443 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12186 @ 0.00065135 = 7.9374 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11564 @ 0.00064635 = 7.4744 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 6 @ 0.33 = 1.98 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 432 @ 0.00474968 = 2.0519 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1568 @ 0.00474971 = 7.4475 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16219 @ 0.00064635 = 10.4832 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: "Merchant shipping in the 1600's was quite profitable you could make 300% on your investment..._if_...the boat came back..." - OH in lecture today.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2250 @ 0.00474971 = 10.6868 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21050 @ 0.00065414 = 13.7696 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15708 @ 0.00065438 = 10.279 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3242 @ 0.00066181 = 2.1456 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3094 @ 0.00474971 = 14.6956 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1225 @ 0.00476367 = 5.8355 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.48 = 2.4 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 259 @ 0.00484562 = 1.255 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1050 @ 0.00485855 = 5.1015 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 589 @ 0.00489624 = 2.8839 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [SYNERGY] 5 @ 0.17 = 0.85 BTC [+]
jurov: added gpg-agent support and rudimentary logging
jurov: it remembers the gpg password for you
jurov: so you don't have to type it every time
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3561 @ 0.0047584 = 16.9447 BTC [-]
jurov: 1D7JQMhZ3R1uqpcwkSH7RmradQLNZHUuSV
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 600 @ 0.00494808 = 2.9688 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 976 @ 0.00494809 = 4.8293 BTC [+]
Namworld: fuck... and no one port it to Windows
Bugpowder: jurov fixed pympex so I don't do that again
jurov: Bugpowder, didn't you say 5BTC?
gribble: You have not yet rated user Bugpowder
jurov: ;;rate Bugpowder 1 funded pyMPEx development
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user Bugpowder has been recorded.
Azelphur: jurov: oh hey cool, you've added support for using the agent so people don' thave to type the password every time
Azelphur: didn't know the library supported that :D
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2050 @ 0.00490557 = 10.0564 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 150 @ 0.0048777 = 0.7317 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1800 @ 0.0048777 = 8.7799 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 200 @ 0.00486436 = 0.9729 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 9 @ 0.95 = 8.55 BTC [+]
smickles: quick, someone send a test email to smickles@smickles.com
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1424 @ 0.00494809 = 7.0461 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 576 @ 0.0049481 = 2.8501 BTC [+]
Namworld: argh, I can't get that damn thing ported to windows or python on windows either
Namworld: I can't get python gpg specifically. Says python installation is not found in registry
smickles: kakobrekla: thanks, it worked :D
jurov: Execute 'WITHDRAW|test|5000000000', 5E+1BTC (y/n)? lol the formatting needs some fix
gigavps: Namworld it's official, VPS has its first Teraminer
gigavps: according to the new contract / terms
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2700 @ 0.00490863 = 13.2533 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3450 @ 0.0049481 = 17.0709 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2200 @ 0.00486436 = 10.7016 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 401 @ 0.0048577 = 1.9479 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 72 @ 0.0049481 = 0.3563 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3078 @ 0.00496329 = 15.277 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2633 @ 0.00496329 = 13.0683 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2240 @ 0.00497373 = 11.1412 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00498008 = 4.9801 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1100 @ 0.00498009 = 5.4781 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 60 @ 0.00499 = 0.2994 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 21 @ 0.95 = 19.95 BTC [+]
jurov: pushed fix for these pesky decimals, you can apply if you want
jurov: perhaps floats would be enough for this. but i'm used to avoid them like plague :D
jurov: jcpham, how? got milk?
Namworld: damn python gpg doesn't want to install... wtf
Namworld: ok, pyMPEx is just unusable on Windows
jurov: try the perl one :D
Namworld: does it have the same features?
Namworld: and why would perl work anyway
jurov: never tried it and looks likethe link is dead... mod6, you around?
jurov: maybe someone should get angry and write it straight in C/C++ ...
jurov: the only truly multiplatform lang
Namworld: I can't import installed modules on windows...
smickles: EskimoBob: G.SDICE should trade at a 5% discount to S.DICE
smickles: so if there is a way to move it form deadterra to mpex, prolly for a fee
smickles: i feel like it's fairly well spot on at bitfunder if deadterra were to charge a 1% fee to transfer out of the passthru
smickles: about 0.0000344 per share if i'm doing it correctly
smickles: oh wait, i think i was off my a digit
pigeons: mommy he's an angry eskimo!
Namworld: Seems like you're not happy about S.BVPS being delisted?
Namworld: Is what caused it to be delisted.
kakobrekla: EskimoBob, seems everything that is crap you own a few shares.
jcpham: can someone link me to the original contract
Namworld: To start with, lack of financial statements I suppose. Then rg selling his interest in BitVPS
jcpham: i suspected this might happen tbh
jcpham: i haven't read the contract in many months
Namworld: I don't see why everyone would be fucked... or how halting trades would change anything.
jcpham: so you do not like mircea_popescu
Namworld: A list of key+shares will be given to rg
Namworld: He can pass that to us and we'll take care of it from then on.
Namworld: rg is gone, he just gave BitVPS away to me, arij and phungus
Namworld: But we still talk a bit with him from time to time.
jcpham: because it is profitable
jcpham: It isn't his agreement to honor
Namworld: We might just do that or relist. Or both, depending on what each holder wants.
Namworld: Buyback some, relist the rest.
jcpham: i'm glad you are taking care of it Namworld
jcpham: i'd like to see bitvps succeed
Namworld: I'll have to be discuss with arij & phungus
Namworld: I'll make an announcement for now.
jcpham: You forget that the pornographer Mircea Popescu is friend with the rapist, check before posting.
jcpham: ^ these forum quotes are harsh man
jcpham: it's also a robot chicken referece if you are unfamiliar
Namworld: Okay, it's whatever you want it to be then
dub: or a friendly eskimo with tourettes
Namworld: Plus since everyone using MPEx already use gpg, signing to confirm their key shouldn't be a problem either
dub: I think possibly alcoholic eskimo
dub: its a little sad tbh
dub: all that quality usagi trolling, now he's regressed into a rambling paranoid old lunatic barking at traffic
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.00503208 = 2.516 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 200 @ 0.00503208 = 1.0064 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1700 @ 0.00503209 = 8.5546 BTC [+]
dub: ah the age old classic 'i know you are you said you are' touche
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 645 @ 0.00500542 = 3.2285 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 522 @ 0.00503209 = 2.6268 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00505291 = 5.0529 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1428 @ 0.0050749 = 7.247 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [SYNERGY] 5 @ 0.17 = 0.85 BTC [+]
dub: heh micon is like a slightly smarter version of EskimoBob
gigavps: dub i wouldn't give micon so much credit
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1353 @ 0.0050205 = 6.7927 BTC [-]
dub: ciuciu is apparently waiting for pirate to pay out before he refunds his 'investors'
mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> EskimoBob, seems everything that is crap you own a few shares. << virtuaally lol
mircea_popescu: <jcpham> i'm glad you are taking care of it Namworld << to his credit he did buy a bunch of shares while they were trying to acquire.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3272 @ 0.0050749 = 16.6051 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 278 @ 0.00509359 = 1.416 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 5622 @ 0.00509359 = 28.6362 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1282 @ 0.00510357 = 6.5428 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00512318 = 5.1232 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 947 @ 0.00512319 = 4.8517 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 450 @ 0.0051247 = 2.3061 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 699 @ 0.0051655 = 3.6107 BTC [+]
jcpham: it seems to me the new bitvps owners are at least attempting to rectify the situation
jcpham: although contractually i'd say they have none
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 50 @ 0.0051655 = 0.2583 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1899 @ 0.00517905 = 9.835 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 451 @ 0.00519571 = 2.3433 BTC [+]
jcpham: or my non-professional opinion is that rg's name is on the contract
assbot: Provide exchange and ticker.
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00454703 / 0.00476762 / 0.0052 (1079068 shares, 5,144.59 BTC), 7D: 0.00449034 / 0.00470128 / 0.0052 (2783896 shares, 13,087.89 BTC), 30D: 0.0014 / 0.00371882 / 0.0052 (11843686 shares, 44,044.55 BTC)
jurov: jcpham, how exactly do they attempt?
jurov: namworld came here only after i got to #bitvps and told them their PR is fail
jcpham: if they are considering or entertaining the idea
jcpham: that's close to an attempt
jurov: i seriously suspect they're completely inept in this
jcpham: they probably need help tbh
mircea_popescu: jurov i don't imagine they really groked the complexities of running a public company going in
jcpham: i mentioned it some time ago
jcpham: the complications at least
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3000 @ 0.00516915 = 15.5075 BTC [-]
jcpham: specifically the mpex contract
mircea_popescu: i honestly thought that the listing is probably bvps' largest asset. there is such a thing as a reverse ipo for instance.
Bugpowder: I new something was wrong when they delayed the divvy
jcpham: i do not know the particulars but it does no one is doing the accounting
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder actually the 14th extra dividend was in fact acquisition cash payment as per the contract
jcpham: in which case mircea_popescu really should delist
jcpham: this isn't te real world
Bugpowder: started thinking... hmm... isn't this a company run by a 22 year old
jcpham: i mean i get it that you want it to be
Bugpowder: maybe I should move to the bluechips
jcpham: it would be great if it were
mircea_popescu: the problem here is that you never really know what to do. i mean, if you insta-wipe any company that's late with divs/misses a report date you will end up causing a lot of grief for legitimate shareholders
mircea_popescu: if you don't, there's always going to be this lead-up string. first it misses X. then a little more. then a little more still.
nyRednek: mircea_popescu, that would be a sign of a failing company, no?
jcpham: i never actually used the word imaginary...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 99 @ 0.00519571 = 0.5144 BTC [+]
nyRednek: mircea_popescu, either way, if the asset was lagging in that manner, it doesn't seem like a sound investment
nyRednek: mircea_popescu, at least not until it catches up and starts posting prompt reports
mircea_popescu: which opens up another can of worms : it was a realtively small asset (3k mkt cap or so)
mircea_popescu: not allowing them creates this very unfair field for many people.
nyRednek: wait, we can buy securities here?
assbot: !ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO)
Bugpowder: let bitfunder do the OTTBB style companies
dub: personally I wouldnt touch a vps/hosting startup with EskimoBob's
dub: nothing to be made in that market
mircea_popescu: Buglouse in april there wasn;t someone like mpex to create a downmarket for the half dozen or so smaller exchanges
mircea_popescu: but yes, i am creating the solutions, just, it's a little slow.
dub: take a look at WHT, the margins are tiny
dub: sure accepting bitcoin is somethign different but just stick a bitpay checkout on any of the thousands of reseller options
mircea_popescu: but i don't think it's really the exchange's job to do that sort of filtering.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3350 @ 0.00066181 = 2.2171 BTC [+]
dub: actually building it, just because you know linux and stuff, is silly
nyRednek: mircea_popescu, is mpex your site?
nyRednek: mircea_popescu, you might want to get someone with web design experience on staff...it's not exactly navigable or pleasing to the eye
nyRednek: mircea_popescu, this is my first day seeing it
mircea_popescu: i can appreicate that. but it's been in business for a while you realise.
nyRednek: mircea_popescu, i still recommend you pay someone to make it useable
mircea_popescu: problem is, this is my first day seeing you. why does your recommendation carry weight with me ?
nyRednek: because i'm a potential customer, maybe? because i'm not going to spend a dime buying stocks on a site that looks like it was thrown together in one's sleep?
jcpham: i think the brokerage avenue solves the issue of ui nicely
nyRednek: jcpham, hence the problem...that brokerage shouldn't be needed for a professional-looking site
mircea_popescu: nyRednek are you trying to resolve a problem of credibility or a problem of usability ?
jcpham: the exchange can operate however it likes
jcpham: it is up to you play by the rules of the exchange
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1939 @ 0.00526607 = 10.2109 BTC [+]
jcpham: not the other way around
dub: voteban EskimoBob tbh
jcpham: the brokerage can cater to you
Bugpowder_: Still haven't got all the shares back I dumped
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 14.65000, Best ask: 14.71899, Bid-ask spread: 0.06899, Last trade: 14.73000, 24 hour volume: 39680.96425134, 24 hour low: 14.21001, 24 hour high: 14.73000, 24 hour vwap: 14.45482
jcpham: don't get me wrong i'd like a pretty mpex
mircea_popescu: nyRednek well, maybe you should treat them separately. for what it's worth, what you call "pleasing to the eye" is, both for good theoretical reasons and proven through practice on record, a sign of poor credibility.
jcpham: but it is not a requirement by any means
mircea_popescu: this is like, s.mpoe sort of performance wtf. UNFAIR COMPETITION
nyRednek: or just dump any securities i have that may be anyway linked with that exchange, considering that the site looks like it's run as a scam
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1150 @ 0.00509371 = 5.8578 BTC [-]
jcpham: nyRednek i see your point
mircea_popescu: nyRednek the site that "looks like it's run like a scam" is older than most btc scams.
jcpham: time is the only indicator i have as a metric for scams
jcpham: mpex is doing good on the time metric
nyRednek: jcpham, how long has it been around?
dub: nyRednek: considering the ease of throwing up a wordpress/bootstrap/lameCMSoftheweek its pretty hard to spot a scam on website appearance
mircea_popescu: the options page has been trading since august 2011. the exchange was beta'd in februyary 2012
jcpham: so closer to 18 months now
jcpham: did i just get called a shill
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 14000 @ 0.00150005 = 21.0007 BTC [-]
nyRednek: EskimoBob, i actually trust jcpham's opinion, considering his activity in OTC
jcpham: who the fuck is @ in this channel
dub: don't shills generally get paid, hint hint mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: jcpham kakobrekla. but srsly, what's the point of kicking people ?
jcpham: i'll be rich i tell you
jcpham: the real truth is that i'm an independent third party in this matter
jcpham: i sit in this channel for a reason though
dub: EskimoBob: wipe your chin dear the froth is goign to break your keyboard
nyRednek: jcpham, so if i buy stuff, i'll probably go the brokerage route...i can't make heads or tails of the main site
jcpham: the faq used to have instructions
nyRednek: i was only remotely interested in mpex for satoshi dice stock
jcpham: nyRednek opening an accounts costs 30btc iirc
jcpham: but the short story is that i do not believe mircea_popescu to be a scammer
dub: if he is its the longest con in bitcoin
jcpham: i wouldn't go out of my way to make introductions with strangers if i thought he was ripping people off
jurov: nyRednek: you are welcome on coinbr, the fees are explained right on frontpage (if you care to read, ofc)
mircea_popescu: dub their first product announcement was spring 2012 neh ?
jcpham: delivered by october iirc
jurov: nyRednek: but now doesn't look like the best time to buy s.dice
jcpham: minirgs took about 6 months to materialize
jcpham: seems like it was 90 days past
dub: I want to say there were taking preorders for fpgas in '11
nyRednek: jurov, stock price is irrelevant to me, btw...i'm looking for divident percentage...and i can't really afford to play with pepsico and ge atm
jcpham: i remember they were 90 days late because i was in #eligius when luke-jr had a dev unit
mircea_popescu: nyRednek cost basis still matters. if you buy it at 75 you'll get about half what the ipo people got.
jcpham: oh crap i highlighted him
Bugpowder_: nyRednek capital appreciation or depreciation is likely to be more than the dividend
nyRednek: mircea_popescu, true...i was looking, and it's still 0.3% dividend atm
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder_ course, value investing theory says that doesn't matter if you're liquid
nyRednek: mircea_popescu, pepsico paid out 14% this year
jcpham: the kids want the mountain dews
Luke-Jr: EskimoBob: gigavps wasn't behind the mpex "stock" IIRC
nyRednek: much better than bonds are doing atm
Luke-Jr: jcpham: problem? <trollface.jpg>
jcpham: i knew you'd come if i highlighted you
mircea_popescu: On the positive side, dollar denominated securities of all sorts are slated to raise indefinitely, much past the point where a freshly printed thousand dollar bill won’t suffice to pay for one of the two freshly baked loaves of bread in all of Manhattan.
Bugpowder: Bet volume is track at around 400,000 this month
nyRednek: mircea_popescu, at the same time, those securities are rising faster than inflation
Luke-Jr: EskimoBob: as I understand it, mircea_popescu created a phony stock to resell GLBSE shares, then forfeited those GLBSE shares for some reason at the expense of all the MPEX phony-stock holder
Bugpowder: ;;calc 400000*.019/100000000/.0048
Bugpowder: So we are looking at an EV of around 1.6% dividend / month based on current share price
mircea_popescu: i'm just one of the however many people not interested to deal with the newly created contract device.
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder is jan = dec actual growth in the gambling market ?
Bugpowder: 1 or 2 big whales made up most of the betting volume last month, they haven't been seen seriously betting since the second.
Bugpowder: There has been some organic growth in a varitey of mini-whales though
mircea_popescu: Luke-Jr i can appreciate he has no other way forward, but that still does exactly nothing for me.
nyRednek: Bugpowder, so s.dice is yours?
Luke-Jr: mircea_popescu: AFAIK you just have to provide gigavps with evidence you're the shareholder in question.
mircea_popescu: Luke-Jr not like this wasn't discussed to the end about two months ago.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 300 @ 0.00521877 = 1.5656 BTC [+]
Luke-Jr: mircea_popescu: whatever, if you claim there's a mistake in what I said, then explain
Luke-Jr: mircea_popescu: the point is you promised dividends from gigavps to people, then went back on it
mircea_popescu: Luke-Jr the promise was i will distribute anything gigavps sends.
mircea_popescu: i don't care what extra performance he needs, for whatever reason.
mircea_popescu: for that matter, it was clear the bonds won't be "upgrading", either, and this long before the glbse implosion.
Luke-Jr: mircea_popescu: do you seriously expect that to hold up in court?
Luke-Jr: mircea_popescu: I know they don't care about technicalities
dub: he's been there to get his kids back from CPS and his wife out of the lunatic asylum
Luke-Jr: a court that rules on a technicality is an incompetent court
Ukto: oh, i had no meaning whatsoever in that
mircea_popescu: Luke-Jr yes, well, what your standards for courtly competence are may differ from what the courts actually do.
Ukto: Also, different courts, yes. what country? what level?
mircea_popescu: all law is basically one huge technicality, for that matter.
Ukto: here, a JP court does not follow technicallities. the judges are not lawyers.
Ukto: they just listen to two sides and make a decision
Ukto: generally for smaller things under 10k
Ukto: its the "community" court basically
mircea_popescu: but seriously, i'm all for it, i don't see why this needs the drama attached.
mircea_popescu: anyone feels they were damaged by me or mpex there's the rota, he can sue
Namworld: They'd use the legal system over the rota if anyone was going to do this.
Luke-Jr: "I'll rob a bank. If they don't like it, they can sue."
Ukto: not sure why.. in what way.. but that made me giggle.
mircea_popescu: Namworld i doubt anyone would use the legal system seeing how there's not enough to pay for a lawyer's initial retainer in dispute.
nyRednek: jcpham, can we /msg for a moment?
Ukto: nyRednek: sounds kinky
Namworld: yes, the low amounts involved is an issue.
mircea_popescu: actually i imagine the reason nobody actually sued with the rota is that nobody has enough shares that they value enough btc to bother.
nyRednek: Ukto, not exactly, just a little normative speech
mircea_popescu: of course, things may be changing there, what did you pay gigavps, like .1 per share ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1177 @ 0.00525452 = 6.1846 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 973 @ 0.00525471 = 5.1128 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: missing payout is around .12 right now
mircea_popescu: yeah. i guess if nobody sues now they might once (if ?) bfl delivers
Luke-Jr: mircea_popescu: just because you can get away with something, doesn't mean you should do it.
Namworld: so far... it's technically still accruing 0.005xxxxx per week.
mircea_popescu: if not then either... then maybe if btc goes super high
Luke-Jr: mircea_popescu: and yes, what you've done is basically stealing.
mircea_popescu: Luke-Jr you're obviously entitled to whatever construction you want on the facts.
nyRednek: Luke-Jr, the problem, if this person is in romania, prosecution is going to be nigh impossible
Bugpowder: dunno if $73 is enough to mail my ID somewhere
Bugpowder: Coulda paid off jurov for that I guess
Ukto: nyRednek: I am no longer alone... you use nigh also :~D
mircea_popescu: nyRednek prosecution is going to be nigh on impossible for the relatively simple reason that there's not a case.
nyRednek: i think i'm just going to be converting my btc into cash...traditional securities provide better payout and are more...secure
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2300 @ 0.00521877 = 12.0032 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: well they don't provide a better payout
nyRednek: mircea_popescu, were you to appear in manhattan, the argument whether a case exists would become more interesting
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 297 @ 0.00521877 = 1.55 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.00525471 = 2.6274 BTC [+]
Luke-Jr: mircea_popescu: Erik would probably end up in jail.
mircea_popescu: nyRednek only if you could convince some ambulance chaser that i'm really rich enough to take your "case" on %
mircea_popescu: in the unwarranted hope i'll settle. which i won't, so that's moot.
nyRednek: mircea_popescu, well, what i just saw described is securities fraud...one wouldn't need to find a serpentine lawyer to deal with such
mircea_popescu: nyRednek i don't think you're at all qualified to discuss the topic.
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder i imagine he can't now, seeing how he wasn't there at the time and prolly doesn't have a copy.
Bugpowder: I probably lost more on F.GIGA.ETF then everyone else put together
Luke-Jr: Bugpowder: just because it's in a contract doesn't make it legal
mircea_popescu: it's funny, cause actually mpoe/mpex largest loss was the ~4k btc in august
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 577 @ 0.00525471 = 3.032 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 250 @ 0.0052977 = 1.3244 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: nyRednek, just my personal BTC performance chart
Bugpowder: mostly due to stock price appreciation
nyRednek: Buglouse, again, looks like a ponzi started paying
Bugpowder: not ponzi, just supply and demand imbalance
Bugpowder: which we are seeing RIGHT NOW with S.DICE
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder no, seriously, it looks totally like a ponzi
nyRednek: mircea_popescu, that's what it looked like to me
mircea_popescu: i think the problem with btc finance is that people have a crazy time curve.
Luke-Jr: guess it'll take Erik's arrest to crash S.DICE :/
mircea_popescu: then that sold out, little by little, now they pay 50 ?! 60 ?
mircea_popescu: nyRednek it looks the same to me too. it's what it looks like.
mircea_popescu: Luke-Jr pestering erik atm is the single most damaging thing that can happen to bitcoin.
Luke-Jr: Bugpowder: it's more of an inevitable certainty than a risk, really
Bugpowder: passthru's are removing stock from the market
Luke-Jr: mircea_popescu: no, Erik is damaging to bitcoin
mircea_popescu: Luke-Jr i don't mean the imaginary bitcoin you jack off to.
Bugpowder: Luke-Jr I wouldn't say inevitable. but definitely possible
Luke-Jr: Bugpowder: he's in New York. running an online gambling site. openly. as he writes anti-government rants.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 300 @ 0.00569016 = 1.707 BTC [+]
Luke-Jr: Bugpowder: how is that NOT inevitable?
nyRednek: Luke-Jr, oh, he's going to prison
nyRednek: Luke-Jr, not a question of if, but when
smickles: really? satoshidice isn't a 'merican company?
Luke-Jr: mircea_popescu: I'm pretty sure you're the minority anarchist nutcase.
smickles: why would the operator go to prison?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00569016 = 5.6902 BTC [+]
nyRednek: smickles, promoting gambling is a federal offense
mircea_popescu: Luke-Jr that certainty is easy to reach if you stick to people who agree with you.
Luke-Jr: Bugpowder: which is why Linden Labs had to remove all random from Second Life
nyRednek: smickles, doesn't matter where the company is based
smickles: Luke-Jr: but satoshidice is registered in ireland or something like that
Luke-Jr: smickles: I doubt anyone cares.
nyRednek: smickles, doesn't matter if the online gambling is legal in jurisdiction that it is based in
Bugpowder: I love how the price keeps going up during this discussion
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.00569016 = 2.8451 BTC [+]
nyRednek: smickles, if an american promotes online gambling in any way, it is a federal offense
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00454703 / 0.00477482 / 0.00569016 (1080790 shares, 5,160.58 BTC), 7D: 0.00449034 / 0.0047035 / 0.00569016 (2770063 shares, 13,029.00 BTC), 30D: 0.0014 / 0.0037207 / 0.00569016 (11858048 shares, 44,120.28 BTC)
mircea_popescu: nyRednek do you really think anyone cares what the us thinks about anything ?
nyRednek: mircea_popescu, well, american residents should
smickles: nyRednek: can you point me to that law pleas :)
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder he's confused. there's the using banking for gambling federal thing.
Bugpowder: The NY dude that got arrested recently was state
Luke-Jr: nyRednek: so like, if I tell people about other not-DDoSing-Bitcoin gambling sites to use instead of SD, I'm in trouble? :o
mircea_popescu: Luke-Jr not rly. but you won't go anywhere. the model works like this because it's sound like this.
mircea_popescu: you coder people, instead of arguing with your implicit boss, should just stfu and go to work
nyRednek: a guy was arrested recently who just sold software to gambling sites
mircea_popescu: nyRednek that was the most embarrasing botched conspiracy to pervert the course of justice ever
mircea_popescu: it wouldn't surprise me if the das involved end up in jail.
nyRednek: mircea_popescu, it doesn't work that way here
smickles: no link or code # for the law?
Bugpowder: inden_Lab_Official:Policy_Regarding_Wagering_in_Second_Life
nyRednek: mircea_popescu, i've been on the receiving end of ill-executed criminal justice efforts
Luke-Jr: Bugpowder: FBI basically forced that FWIW
mircea_popescu: eyah, well, that may not give you the best perspective i guess.
smickles: also, arrested/shut down != illegal
mircea_popescu: not particularly hard a thing to do, but certainly exhilirating in any case.
nyRednek: mircea_popescu, any attorney who acts "in good faith" is covered under sovereign immunity
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13900 @ 0.00065568 = 9.114 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.00065423 = 3.402 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 83 @ 0.00569017 = 0.4723 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 200 @ 0.00569016 = 1.138 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.00539589 = 2.6979 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 217 @ 0.00539588 = 1.1709 BTC [-]
nyRednek: "in good faith" is hard to disprove
mircea_popescu: threatening a honest citizen with unwarranted prosecution if he refuses to break the law will be a tough sell as good faith.
nyRednek: mircea_popescu, and is generally established by affidavit
mircea_popescu: anyway. that arrest is possibly the worst setback for gambling prosecution in the past year or two.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1650 @ 0.00546657 = 9.0198 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: I cornered the market this morning
nyRednek: yeah, dumping s.dice through my proxy, as well...give it an hour and it'll be a little lower
smickles: nyRednek: did you mean 31 USC section 5361ish?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.005807 = 2.9035 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3100 @ 0.0058077 = 18.0039 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 6400 @ 0.00598999 = 38.3359 BTC [+]
smickles: nyRednek: i'm looking thru it again, but that doesn't make it illegal to promote gambling
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10750 @ 0.00065423 = 7.033 BTC [-]
smickles: nyRednek: it makes it illeagal to accept money for online gambling, it seems
Luke-Jr: mircea_popescu: j/w, but why do you care about what contracts say at all?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4950 @ 0.00064989 = 3.217 BTC [-]
smickles: and is the only federal online gambling law i've yet read
nyRednek: smickles, current prosecution is going after software vendors who code software used by online gambling sites
smickles: nyRednek: not under that law, i'm sure
Luke-Jr: I'm not curious enough to read that long thing
Luke-Jr: which seems to be focussed on more than just the question
smickles: can you help me find the law that those people are breaking?
nyRednek: smickles, i'll look, it might actually be in the new york code
mircea_popescu: smickles his generalisation is unwarranted. one particular da's dirty got blown in the open is all.
nyRednek: cause it's being prosecuted here in NY
smickles: nyRednek: wait, NY is shutting down an AZ company?
smickles: why don't they just keep doing business
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mircea_popescu: smickles i presume cause nobody wants to do business with them anymore because nobody's sure if they have or haven't backdoored
dub: since when has law been a basis for the justice system anyway?
smickles: mircea_popescu: the article i just skimmed said that the ny judge 'shut them down'
dub: next you'll tell me there are constitutional rights or something euqlly crazy
mircea_popescu: dub yes, you have the right to free rectal examinations with any airline ticked bought.
mircea_popescu: has anyone noticed the big move today, ie germany taking its gold back from ny ?
nyRednek: smickles, i was assuming it was a federal law, as well, due to the interstate nature of the order
dub: gold, pff, call me when they take the palladium
nyRednek: well, gold is worth more than platinum atm, so...yeah
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11474 @ 0.00066181 = 7.5936 BTC [+]
dub: palladium is the new hotness with the hookers and blow set
mircea_popescu: "o, sorry, i has no marketable skills other than selling you ppl's bitcoinz. pls to take me back"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11934 @ 0.00066181 = 7.898 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1533 @ 0.00066182 = 1.0146 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: in six months muppets a la eskimoblob will be all pleased to interact and exchange opinions and pats on the back
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 933 @ 0.00066525 = 0.6207 BTC [+]
dub: PH has been posting around under ppt-pr
smickles: nyRednek: so it's ny pen. law 225.10
mircea_popescu: That brings me to the final point. I initially intended to teach the community a lesson about trust, I did not expect anyone to really take the bets and thus I did not expect to keep any profits. As the bets grew though, I was tempted with greed and I fell into a trap.
nyRednek: smickles, right...looks like that's the search warrant
mircea_popescu: fucking ridiculous narrative. from 1910 onwards, the same soup of the puritan-contrite criminal
Bugpowder_: he should probably be arrested under ny pen. law 225.10
JWU_42: after seeing the delisting announcement
gribble: Successfully removed your rating for rg.
smickles: mircea_popescu: did rg actually release his keys?
mircea_popescu: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:f3a98fc18f7f44dfc4e108c87e1cfd5aa354d8f1497ec4c17d11c7e2
gribble: You are now authenticated for user mircea_popescu with key 8A736F0E2FB7B452
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 3 @ 0.43 = 1.29 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ;;rate rg -1 from what I understand person no longer has sole control of private key.
☟︎ gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user rg has changed from 3 to -1.
smickles: mircea_popescu: he'd have to have, for arji and them to pay divs, right?
smickles: ;;rate rg -10 gave away his private keys
gribble: Error: For identification purposes, you must be identified via GPG to use the rating system.
mircea_popescu: smickles mind that the system dioes not actually verify ownership
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BVPS] 9761 @ 0.00130005 = 12.6898 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BVPS] 739 @ 0.0002 = 0.1478 BTC [-]
Bugpowder_: was waiting to see if the .0002 would get hit
Bugpowder_: just like to see the last gasp of a dying creature
assbot: [MPEX:S.BVPS] 1D: 0.0002 / 0.00122262 / 0.00130005 (10500 shares, 12.84 BTC), 7D: 0.0002 / 0.00131668 / 0.00635541 (10696 shares, 14.08 BTC), 30D: 0.0002 / 0.00243135 / 0.00635541 (23929 shares, 58.18 BTC)
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-GOLD] 1 @ 0.0433 BTC [+]
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smickles: arij: how were ya'll able to pay s.bvps dividends?
smickles: well, at all. I mean how were you able to run the command on mpex?
smickles: it's something that just recently poped on my interest meter
mircea_popescu: ny has some funny class e felonies. "Promoting a suicide attempt". "Stalking in the second degree". "Abortion in the second degree". "Female genital mutilation". "Substitution of children". "Computer trespass". "Welfare fraud in the fourth degree".
dub: substitution of children?
mircea_popescu: Rent gouging, Unlawfully concealing a will, Unlawful possession of personal identification information in the second degree
arij: Nam was taking care of that, I've never personally used mpex
mircea_popescu: Rewarding official misconduct in the second degree. like what, voting ?
Namworld: smickles: rg gave his gpg keys
dub: theres some bylaw in our capital that hotels must provide horse tethering facilities
jcpham: that means he has no interest in WoT
gribble: (eauth <nick>) -- Initiate authentication for user <nick>. You must have registered a GPG key with the bot for this to work. You will be given a link to a page which contains a one time password encrypted with your key. Decrypt, and use the 'everify' command with it. Your passphrase will expire in 10 minutes.
smickles: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:8926d9daa6911895a4b7dfc67516b590f01432eae6b601b77780a3c8
gribble: You are now authenticated for user smickles with key EA62D7CEB2450C3F
mod6: err, sorry. what keys were given out? i've been ill so im just trying to catch up
jcpham: the private key to his gpg identity
smickles: ;;rate rg -10 gave away his private key
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user rg has changed from 2 to -10.
nyRednek: so which security is he running?
arij: He can easily verify his identity and get a new gpg key
smickles: Namworld, arij i'd like you know that I don't fault you guys for using the keys tho
arij: No need to neg rate :/
jcpham: sad news though about thgpg key
jcpham: he was in -otc the other day
mircea_popescu: i guess people just don't realise that's the absolute limit of what you can't do.
jcpham: i bought some silver from grubles
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gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of -5 for user rg has been recorded.
mod6: That's the first neg rating i've given out. I'd like to hear from rg about all of this though.
dub: I doubt he gives a shit
smickles: the whole idea of using gpg with the wot revolved around contracts, if he gave his personal signing ability to someone else, i can't be sure that any contract I sign with that key has ever been "real"
mod6: without that, we're lost
Namworld: He gave it strictly on account he had to leave BitVPS to someone else.
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jcpham: no one is blaming you guys
jcpham: rg should've known better or known the ramications
jcpham: should the WoT discover this
smickles: mircea_popescu: couldn't the account priviges have been transferred?
mod6: did he just hand it over so you could access his mpex account with the remaining shares?
mircea_popescu: smickles no. that's the entire idea of mpex. that you can't just pass things around.
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P130T] 1 @ 0.03844519 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: you make a company, it's yours. shareholders can't kick you out. you can't "sell" your interest.
mircea_popescu: company may be acquired, sure, but as a corp merger or somesuch.
mod6: ahh. he should have just used PUSH and he could have avoided a lot of issues
mircea_popescu: mod6 basically he decided he'll do something that couldn't be done contractually
mircea_popescu: which is possibly the only part i'd complain about it. not like im not fucking here all the rtime
mod6: yeah, everything that happened wasn't really allowed by the contract
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18050 @ 0.00064635 = 11.6666 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: so just how fucking hard it is to go /query mircea_popescu hey dude here's what i want to do, does it work how should i do it
mod6: right. everytime i have a question or something, you're there pretty quick to help
mod6: i don't know what the problem was there
mircea_popescu: i imagine a large part of the problem was that bvps suddenly seemed very small, in btc terms
smickles: nyRednek: in order for that software dev to be convicted, the code he wrote would have to be 'bookmaking' (in the gambling sense ) software
smickles: apparently, reciving gambled money is promoting gambling in the first degree
Bugpowder_: he made a tool that allows others to run a site
smickles: i wonder if that means that any shareholder of S.DICE is breaking this law
Bugpowder_: most people don't want to take the risk
smickles: also, did you notice that not talking to the cops can get you convicted of murder?
smickles: well, it's up to the supreme court anyway
nyRednek: smickles, one or the other, i'm not following the case as closely as i should, tbh
smickles: boils down to a cop saying "hey, your not under arrest, but is it possible that those shotgunshells at the murder scene are yours?"
smickles: you don't answer, your're a murder
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nyRednek: Bugpowder_, new york jurors don't have as much reasonable doubt as one should, tbh
smickles: the bs is they say it's not covered by the 5th b/c he wasn't under arrest YET
dub: this is why we don't live in 'murica
mircea_popescu: i guess that's why they like a lot of them "low information voters" around.
nyRednek: smickles, also, in indiana, cops don't have to knock and announce before executing a search warrant
smickles: now i'm spooked by the last time I was pulled over, and didn't say a wort to the cop
dub: lol what did you do?
smickles: nyRednek: in missouri they come in and shoot your pomeranian
nyRednek: smickles, the best vague answer, "i don't know what you're talking about, officer"
dub: smickles: yeah what did you do during the interaction
dub: you just handed over ID and pretended to be mute?
smickles: dub: politely smiled and let him talk
mircea_popescu: i wonder what sort of misdemeanor it is if you just jack off while the cop tries to talk to you
nyRednek: mircea_popescu, that's disorderly conduct
jcpham: public indecency i suppose
dub: mircea_popescu: rape no doubt
mircea_popescu: nyRednek i would have imagined not speaking english is disorderly conduct
smickles: dub: he claimed that I had a tail light out, it wasn't true, so he gave me an 'unwritten warning'
jcpham: definitely rape if semen touches the cop
nyRednek: well, in NYC, it's disorderly conduct...it's assaulting an officer if semen touches
dub: mircea_popescu: unlicensed sperm odnation
nyRednek: same as spitting on a cop...assault
jcpham: maybe the clothes is just sexual assault
jcpham: i think ejaculating on an officer might be felony territory
smickles: WTF is this zamboni game on google?!?
nyRednek: felonious assault of an officer
nyRednek: same as screaming, "i'm gonna fuck you up, piggy"
mircea_popescu: the lonious assault of an officer if you play that shit too loud
dub: smickles: I asked my canukistani friend if it signified anything, apparently not
nyRednek: mircea_popescu, threatening has always been assault
nyRednek: mircea_popescu, when you strike, it's battery
smickles: it has to be an earnest threat to be assult tho
jcpham: like if i threaten to kill you i need to own a weapon first?
jcpham: or the threat of death is enough
smickles: which is usually illegal now too (bullying)
nyRednek: jcpham, threat of death is enough for assault, terroristic threatening
nyRednek: smickles, that was a stupid law that apportioned activity that was already covered by the penal code
jcpham: but what if i have down's syndrome and i'm not actually a threat
smickles: jcpham: well, as I understand it, you can threaten to kill all you want if its a joke, but proving it's a joke can be tricky in some situations
nyRednek: redundant sections of the penal code should be excised
jcpham: i've never made a death threat that i know of
smickles: nyRednek: you suffer from the is/ought distinction
smickles: jcpham: you threatent to pay me once, i've got it in writing
nyRednek: redundant sections of law in general need to be excised, at all levels
smickles: iirc, you made good on the threat too :P
mircea_popescu: that's how i'd have it. you want to make a new law ? gotta wipe old one first, make space.
nyRednek: mircea_popescu, maybe not fifty pages, but less than a full library of volumes
jcpham: all lwas ought to fit in 640k of RAM
mircea_popescu: so that highschoolers can be required to know the whole law by heard
smickles: mircea_popescu: then law will grow at a rate = to compression tech
nyRednek: hell, definitions don't fit in 50 pages
smickles: noone yet congratulated me on my creation of another person :|
nyRednek: hell, the 1783 treaty of paris didn't fit in 50 pages
nyRednek: smickles, i've done it a few times, you have my sympathies
mircea_popescu: if ignorance of the law is no defence then the law fits in 64kb
smickles: the next real person should be coming around may
mircea_popescu: let people add to the 64kb through private contract if they want to.
smickles: and a cigar would be in order if all goes well
nyRednek: oh, contract law is an entirely new matter
nyRednek: case law being precedent set by court rulings as to the proper interpretation of law
nyRednek: many of our legal conventions are handed down by precedent
smickles: that the first interpretation should necessarily affect any following
nyRednek: unless you live under napoleonic code, which throws legal precedent out the window
smickles: mircea_popescu: that's romania, right?
nyRednek: smickles, but, in reality, the english system follows the construct of legal precedent
nyRednek: smickles, otherwise, we'd have no interpreted right to privacy
mircea_popescu: but there's still a version of precedent used, just... differently.
jcpham: smickles you got your license on my birthday
jcpham: you don't have to thank me though
smickles: jcpham: It will foever be known as jcpham day in the company by-laws
smickles: also, there's no business license yet, the company had to be formed before it could see one of those
nyRednek: sorry, it was row v wade, 1973
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smickles: nyRednek: that's privacy extending from property rights tho, isn't it?
nyRednek: smickles, the 14th amendment was referenced, so maybe not
nyRednek: the 14th amendment deals mainly with citizenship
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smickles: "nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law"
smickles: it specifically says property tho
smickles: mircea_popescu: the department of homland security suggests that you uninstall and not use java
mircea_popescu: why thanks very much to the dept of who the fuck asked them
smickles: nyRednek: so my view of it from that perspective is that you only have privacy in so much as the state isn't allowed to do things why render your ownership of property meaningless
mircea_popescu: are they coming up with those booklets on spouse selection already ?
jcpham: oh wait i can select another spouse
jcpham: or an additional spouse
jcpham: do i get to share than revenue stream also?
nyRednek: smickles, also, katz v united states, 1967
nyRednek: regarding unwarranted wiretapping
nyRednek: referencing 4th and 5th amendments
nyRednek: smickles, also, right to privacy preventing illegal search/seizure, and self-incrimination
nyRednek: smickles, i'm thinking it's more the liberty thing...the state is depriving you of liberty by snooping on you(privacy is a safeguard of free speech)
nyRednek: the security issues regarding java have been many, so i tend to agree with OHS on this one
mircea_popescu: nyRednek the point is the homeland security thing has no business discussing this, or pretty much any other matter.
mircea_popescu: their job is pretty much getting tsa dismantled already and then going away in the sunset.
nyRednek: mircea_popescu, OSA is a large and wide-reaching organization...this is very much their business
mircea_popescu: right, it works in practice as a sort of soviet commisariat of the people's soviets bla bla
nyRednek: tsa is just one of their subordinate agencies
mircea_popescu: but it's mandate legally is exactly that : to dismantle the tsa and go away.
nyRednek: the fbi is another of their subordinate agencies
nyRednek: its mandate is much more than dismantle tsa
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mircea_popescu: really sad to watch (from a safe distance, blesfully) what's happening to that country.
nyRednek: here's the sad thing to watch...the US is the world's largest economy...if it falls, how well do you think the EU or the PRC will do in the ashes?
nyRednek: i mean the ashes of what used to be the US's GDP
mircea_popescu: the delusions to the contrary are actually part of the "sad".
nyRednek: the US has the world's largest GDP, and nations such as PRC depend on consumption by US
dub: does dhs know that java is patched?
dub: or is it a case of sun fucked up one too many times and are written off
nyRednek: mircea_popescu, actually, producers need consumers to buy products
mircea_popescu: and isn't dhs the dept of welfare i mean human services ?
nyRednek: mircea_popescu, it's backwards to think otherwise
iz: dub: it's not really patched
iz: so far they have released 2 different "patches" that "fix" the same vuln, but not really
nyRednek: mircea_popescu, let's put it this way, kodak failed because...?
nyRednek: mircea_popescu, they produced a lot of film and cameras...
nyRednek: mircea_popescu, that's not true
iz: also, if you consider the EU as it's own entity, it's got greater GDP than USA, right?
jcpham: kodak is a much more interesting beast
mircea_popescu: if you make a huge company "producing" "art" you will fail too
iz: nyRednek: look at the numbers for 2011
nyRednek: iz, well, as of 2010 it wasn't, let me check
mircea_popescu: and for that matter, i too can write 10000000000000000 dollah on pieces of paper and trade it back and forth with the girls
nyRednek: iz, by 2.6 quadrillion, yep, the EU has surpassed the US
nyRednek: iz, you're right...well, the SECOND largest world economy
iz: mircea_popescu: great, maybe finally we won't be too big to fail
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iz: and we can pull an iceland
nyRednek: guys, let me know when mircea_popescu stops talking out of its ass so i can unignore
mircea_popescu: i'd be willing to take bets that by 2015 the us economy will actually be smaller than germany's economy.
iz: mircea_popescu: yeah, cuz the germans use metric and the us doesn't :b
mircea_popescu: but i am kinda amused at the newb krugerite coming here and giving me advice about mpex and then getting offended when i don't happen to share his ignorance of economy.
mircea_popescu: this incidentally is exactly why i wouldn't buy the whole us for five bitcoins right now : pretty much made up entirely of this sort of stupid.
mircea_popescu: sure, there's exception. too much molasses around them to have a chance.
nyRednek: iz, as far as it goes, though, one of the top four players fall, the whole world suffers...
dub: literally pocket change
kakobrekla: the more the world goes to shit, the better for bitcoin
nyRednek: so the us dollar and the euro are pretty critical to gobal economic health
iz: yeah, i'd tend to agree
iz: that's why iceland was able to do what they did.. just ignore all the debt, right?
iz: because they weren't in the top 3-4, they can do that and everyone else just absorbs the costs
mircea_popescu: and people didn;t want to argue with them for the obvious reason of publicity.
iz: i hate it when ppl try to argue with me that the US should have just followed iceland's lead and let all the banks fail instead of bailing them out
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mircea_popescu: i can see why they tried, at the time, and why they couldn't stop, after they tried.
iz: really? well, it seems to me like that's something that only countries w/ small economies can do
mircea_popescu: so it's not really a "should have". more like a, that'd have been retrospectively the correct path
iz: because someone has to foot the bill
iz: and it ends up being all the other contries that participate in the world economy, right?
mircea_popescu: it's just ego. no us politician can actually man up and say "listen, we fucked up. we were wriong.
mircea_popescu: welfare does not work, what we were trying to build doesn't work
iz: if the biggest country tries to do this, they rest of they can't absorb that much loss that quickly
mircea_popescu: and if given a chance you will steal and idle rather than do somethinguseful
mircea_popescu: and in any case you're too stupid by now to do anything useful anyway"
mircea_popescu: salaries go back to the economically warranted 5-600 usd a year
mircea_popescu: rents go back towhat they are in the 3rd world and so on.
jcpham: no way the gubment can code this well this fast
iz: mircea_popescu: i think it would affect the world economy too much
jcpham: that page is fucking sick though
iz: iceland could get away w/ it b/c they were small
dub: protip: the "world eceomony" has like 10 years left anyway
iz: i don't understand why you say there isn't a "too much"
dub: after that its back to eating each other
mircea_popescu: there is literally no limit to human suffering and hardship. none.
mircea_popescu: so, let it go back to where it has to go, rather than try and pretend for a coupl;a more years
iz: if a country wants to say "we fucked up, but we aren't going to pay our debts.. everyone else just absorb those costs and we're going to start over.. like country bankruptcy
dub: MIT forcast it in the '70s and we have been tracking perfectly
iz: is that what iceland did too?
iz: i thought they just said we don't owe anything
iz: sorry for investing all your money in our banks
iz: but you guys all lost out too
iz: and we're starting over now
iz: we all lost, but it happens.. restart now
iz: is my understanding incorrect re: iceland?
mircea_popescu: as far as i understand, the iceland thing was simply : banks are a private issue, the state does not back banks. figure it out.
iz: that's what i thought also
iz: so yeah.. i think they can only get away with that because they were so small relative to the rest of the world economy
mircea_popescu: they can get away with it because the gap between their real gdp and their nominal gdp was small
iz: if one of the largest world economies tried to do what iceland did, i think it would cause worldwide economical harm
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16596 @ 0.00066525 = 11.0405 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: it would just force a much more unpalatable "taking down a notch"
iz: hmm.. okay, i think i'm understanding what you're saying
mircea_popescu: the average american citizen uses up about 20k worth of resources a year.
mircea_popescu: if you stop pretending like what they're doing is useful,
dub: is that like maff and fings
mircea_popescu: you're forced to adjust their income to the real level.
mircea_popescu: making us average salari about 400 bucks ? a year that is.
dub: nyRednek: chinese factory workers are used to losing all their miney overnight though
mircea_popescu: now, the average american trying to live on 400 bucks a year would be a funny sight indeed.
dub: drastic reduction in the number of americans would go a long way to solving the problem
iz: but how would the us maintain their obesity record?
dub: you're only delaying it as of now
mircea_popescu: now, understandably the political decision was made that this wouldn't be acceptable. but this is a purely internal affair of the us. i can sorta see why they thought this too :
mircea_popescu: if they keep it going for just a little longer the top people can finish getting out
dub: nyRednek: the problem with your economy not actually being one
dub: nyRednek: sorry I thought that was the subject
mircea_popescu: but otherwise, it's the same as any imploding rogue state.
iz: hunting w/ automatic assult rifles
dub: nyRednek: no, not actually being an economy
iz: real answer though, as a hunter you realize there's not enough animals to sustain the population
dub: its a sick joke/debt ponzi
iz: maybe hunting the most dangerous game for soylent green
iz: nyRednek: can't hunt the animals that aren't there because they've already been over hunted
dub: nyRednek also nailed the actual problem
iz: yeah, the real problem with food is water and ancient aquifirs
iz: ah yes... the prized nosegopher
kakobrekla: >> Unluckily, as you could guess, hosting company decided to terminate my account as it is not just worth for them anymore.
dub: mircea_popescu: lol 'derp'
dub: turns out bitcoiners don't spend money (because mom doesn't give them enough)
kakobrekla: i dunno what the deal was but it ready just wrong
kakobrekla: i have a friend with a whole bladecenter intalled for some tiny change cause hosting co made a lousy contract
mircea_popescu: "There are many options. Delisting and telling everyone to just fuck off is exactly what can be expected form a narcissistic fucktard like Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: Why not halt the trading for start and provide a way to work this out between investors and those thieving scumbags at BitVPS."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17400 @ 0.00066525 = 11.5754 BTC [+]
jurov: lol, bitvps kicked coinurl
jurov: yes, they were in the same datacenter as me, same balckout
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 8750 @ 0.0047 = 41.125 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: meh srsly you get a top notch root server for 50euros a month
jurov: sorry i mixed it up
jurov: it was operationfabulous , another ad network
jurov: yes, something called trilema
jurov: you know that thing with porn syndication
jurov: that's the bitcoin press :P
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 613 @ 0.0047 = 2.8811 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 14.64351, Best ask: 14.69999, Bid-ask spread: 0.05648, Last trade: 14.69999, 24 hour volume: 45851.62111428, 24 hour low: 14.21001, 24 hour high: 14.75000, 24 hour vwap: 14.52390
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 7 @ 0.43 = 3.01 BTC [-]
gribble: There are currently 49313.389 bitcoins offered at or under 25.0 USD, worth 878896.357055 USD in total.
jcpham: not a lot of volume to 25
gribble: There are currently 97005.469 bitcoins demanded at or over 10.0 USD, worth 1252122.45239 USD in total.
jcpham: i doubt it'll happen but that's interesting
jcpham: i expected more when i picked an arbitrarily high number
jcpham: i like dwolla at first, now meh
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.43 = 0.86 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9293 @ 0.00065893 = 6.1234 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6183 @ 0.00065305 = 4.0378 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 25 @ 0.0064 = 0.16 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: i suppose they periodicly audit make sure no ex-linode employe is running a promiscuous sniffer anywhere on their network.
mircea_popescu: anyway. anyone here want to pick up that coinurl thing and run it sanely ?
thestringpuller: jcpham: that looks just like simplepay or what was doing with the
https curl command
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 420 @ 0.01 = 4.2 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: with a laboratory user test to evaluate whether PGP 5.0
mircea_popescu: achieve effective electronic mail security. The analysis
mircea_popescu: found a number of user interface design flaws that may
mircea_popescu: demonstrated that when our test participants were given
mircea_popescu: Alma Whitten / Carnegie Mellon University. Why Johnny Can’t Encrypt:A Usability Evaluation of PGP 5.0
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 851 @ 0.00538507 = 4.5827 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00539131 = 5.3913 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14717 @ 0.00065305 = 9.6109 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4383 @ 0.00065302 = 2.8622 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: "You guys are fantastic. You documentation is clear. The fact that you all live on the IRC channels makes obtaining information and help super simple."
mircea_popescu: im going to go troll balanced payments irc channel nao
thestringpuller: Each of Balanced.s customers is a potential Bitcoin merchant. Zaarly is using Balanced to provide payments handling for its peer-to-peer task market. Instead of Zaarly having to build its own, it can used Balanced.s API. With Bitcoin there is a little different flow. You can.t pull funds from a Bitcoin user. Bitcoin is push only. But Balanced also handles the payout component. And that is a push transaction. Bal
thestringpuller: But Balanced shows what is needed by the marketplace . a path that a Bitcoin variant could follow. Balanced is offered in the U.S. only. A bitcoin-variant could operate globally.
mircea_popescu: so basically... "we don't know, and don't wanna talk about it"
mircea_popescu: i'm sorry, but on the balance of this assesment balancedpayments is worth ~0, inflation adjusted.
mircea_popescu: look at me ma, i'm on an obscure start-up site! it won't go anywhere!
dub: good arb op there eh?
dub: [21:19] <bitcoinRT> Jan17 02:18:34 mtgox x194 3,924.8646 @ 14.83496831 USD
dub: [21:19] <bitcoinRT> Jan17 02:18:34 mtgox x229 3,999.9658 @ 14.42321997 AUD
thestringpuller: ;;later tell Bugpowder looks like people are putting basic point spread bets on bitbet now
dub: websocket pipe whatever
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 14.78900, Best ask: 14.84339, Bid-ask spread: 0.05439, Last trade: 14.78900, 24 hour volume: 48112.84457123, 24 hour low: 14.21001, 24 hour high: 14.92000, 24 hour vwap: 14.57203
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 250 @ 0.00574528 = 1.4363 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller there have been like... i think a dozen since the ipo
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 14.90001, Best ask: 14.91999, Bid-ask spread: 0.01998, Last trade: 14.91999, 24 hour volume: 48305.04798786, 24 hour low: 14.21001, 24 hour high: 14.92000, 24 hour vwap: 14.57849
gribble: There are currently 7912.5205 bitcoins offered at or under 15.0 USD, worth 118573.407675 USD in total.
gribble: There are currently 0 bitcoins demanded at or over 14.9 USD, worth 0.0 USD in total.
gribble: There are currently 180.31955 bitcoins demanded at or over 14.8 USD, worth 2674.22552159 USD in total.
gribble: There are currently 23.426751 bitcoins demanded at or over 14.85 USD, worth 349.058673438 USD in total.
kakobrekla: weekly forecast bet can be resolved early :)
kakobrekla: bbet ran out of shares so they went for second best
mircea_popescu: seems in bitcoin demand is a sharply increasing inverse of supply.
mircea_popescu: in retrospect maybe not surprising, given the nature of the btc game.
kakobrekla: inverse supply you mean all the scams or the block reward drop?
kakobrekla: isnt this same case as producers and consumers
mircea_popescu: sorta like childrend and toys. when nobody is playing nobody else wants to play. as toys become unavailable the desire to play increases
mircea_popescu: i guess it's like producers and consumers in a strange market
mircea_popescu: lol she in demand when you want her and idle otherwise ?
kakobrekla: yeah fuckin hoarding non-toy-sharing kids
error4733: if SD up to 0.006 and btc hit 15$ i almost double my invest in 2 weeks
mircea_popescu: error4733 someone was publishing his portofolio graph earlier and it looked quite exponential
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 14.91002, Best ask: 14.92000, Bid-ask spread: 0.00998, Last trade: 14.91002, 24 hour volume: 47727.52297059, 24 hour low: 14.21001, 24 hour high: 14.92000, 24 hour vwap: 14.58642
Diablo-D3: the market needs to pause for awhile to keep us at this level
Diablo-D3: I dont want to see another $30 spike and crash
Diablo-D3: thats not useful for the longterm viability of bitcoins
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C110T] 1000 @ 0.31226848 = 312.2685 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C120T] 1000 @ 0.24364587 = 243.6459 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: theres no reason that cant be repeated
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: well, I'd like to see us at $100 perm
Diablo-D3: well, what Im saying is, we need a firm foundation to continue building on
error4733: well i have a bet wit ha friend, BTC double this year
Diablo-D3: because we'll likely see a $28 high
Diablo-D3: but a 50/50 chance of $28 or higher becoming the new norm
error4733: mircea_popescu : u think $100 can be possible until the end of the year ?
error4733: so the usage will increase for 500% with the same supply ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1845 @ 0.00066525 = 1.2274 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: error4733 once people will come to terms with the failure of "asic projects"
Diablo-D3: you're in #bitcoin-assets and dont know we've already had publicly owned companies?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4698 @ 0.00066544 = 3.1262 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: (which is what they should have done in the first place)
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: except both avalon and asicminer should be done soon
Diablo-D3: was it a scam or did they just fail?
mircea_popescu: i don't think it was started as a scam. just, no skills.
error4733: maybe BFL but all the others as well ?
Diablo-D3: its the outright scams I think we need to deal with
error4733: how many dev in the world work on this tech
mircea_popescu: i don't think anyone actually has the resources to do asics. people like to dream, and then they sometimes get confused.
mircea_popescu: error4733 maybe half a dozen on the core and a few hundred on peripherals ?
Diablo-D3: error4733: on what tech? chip design in general?
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: doing asics is easy
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: it just costs money
Diablo-D3: remember, neither asicminer nor avalon made their sha256 cores
Diablo-D3: they used existing ones and spammed it on the chip
smickles: nyRednek: mpbor isn't really a bond tho
Diablo-D3: they just had to have the output cascade designed right
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: yes, those fucking design tools are blaaaaaargh
mircea_popescu: right. the problem with the "spam a core on chip" approach is that design cost is minimal
Diablo-D3: and what we're looking at IS the prototype
mircea_popescu: meanwhile i've been asking questions, i know of a case where they did 54 prototypes
Diablo-D3: asicminer already said their chips passed functionality tests
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 14.81200, Best ask: 14.89900, Bid-ask spread: 0.08700, Last trade: 14.89959, 24 hour volume: 47066.51104494, 24 hour low: 14.21404, 24 hour high: 14.92000, 24 hour vwap: 14.59850
Diablo-D3: so hopefully at least one of the 4 wins
mircea_popescu: as either cost of asic or losses from asic become monetized btc will have to go up
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6002 @ 0.00066544 = 3.994 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9354 @ 0.00066568 = 6.2268 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: look at the silicon valley for example
Diablo-D3: one of the biggest startup communities in the world
mircea_popescu: i think "the milk was spilleD" is more apt a comparison but anyway :p
Diablo-D3: but it produces an amazingly thriving economy
Diablo-D3: even when the companies fail, it produces more economic output than went in
mircea_popescu: the thing is we need to move away from cablepair and lambert type of failures to more economically tolerable types of failure
Diablo-D3: failure to mvp instead of outright scam or just wishful thinking
Diablo-D3: basic is more than wishful thinking but below mvp
mircea_popescu: to our advantage the silicon valley world is slowly moving towards a pure circus act.
Diablo-D3: nyRednek: I tried getting a company to take off
Diablo-D3: my first attempt was a failure because the stock exchange owner backstabbed everyone
Diablo-D3: nyRednek: so Im in the middle of cleaning that up and going for another attempt
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: before I click, is that pro pg or anti pg?
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: pg isnt the big bad though
mircea_popescu: tho it's a moot point, it just documents their most recent blunder
Diablo-D3: although I wish people would quit worshipping him
Diablo-D3: the problem with the silicon valley atm is the mvp achievements
Diablo-D3: whoever produces the smallest lightest easiest mvp wins
mircea_popescu: in their constant quest for "insight" about companies they kept going into sidechannels
mircea_popescu: by now all they're doing is comparing which "team" has the weirdest approach to stand-up
Diablo-D3: they're starting to feedback into themselves weirdly
Diablo-D3: like, whowever has the most unique weirdest circus act wins
mircea_popescu: i don't pick girls by the criterion "largest tit most exposed"
Diablo-D3: its like a competition of The Aristocrats
Diablo-D3: there are companies that hold massive assets that have pretty shitty cash flow
Diablo-D3: they're not horrible companies, just maybe mediocre corporate leadership
Bugpowder: nyRednek Be careful, if you hang out here much longer you will end up owning some bitcoin securities
Diablo-D3: the cash flow is positive, dont get me wrong, its just not that far from zero
Diablo-D3: constant cashflow is better than large profits
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: btw, what do you mean studying?
Bugpowder: I can hire an awesome pakistani programmer
Bugpowder: and you get screen caps every 10 minutes
Bugpowder: yeah I could pay less but this is a bit tricky job
Bugpowder: from things that require mouseover ajax calls
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: its not like securities are a new thing for me
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: Ive been laughing at wall street since I was a kid
Diablo-D3: it never made sense to me because it all looked like a giant ponzi
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: and over the past, oh, 5 years or so, Ive learned why it never made sense, it really is just a giant scam
Diablo-D3: its been kinda scammy since the 70s
Diablo-D3: and various long term shit has been going on since before ww2
Diablo-D3: there was lots of money to be made from that
mircea_popescu: for some reason it's easier for me to pick companies that will fail than ones that will succeed.
Diablo-D3: I know people who made money during the bubble, and then lost it when it popped; made it and kept it; and then made it DURING the pop
Diablo-D3: I have trouble picking companies that will fail
Diablo-D3: I think my selection criteria of safe bets is too conservative
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: like I said, I had lots of community help on that one
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: everyone got to walk away with a sore asshole after the GLBSE bust
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder to this day i didn't understand what microstrategy was making.
Bugpowder: Like using algorithms to optimize internal shit
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder no, srsly ? using algorithms to optimize internal shit ?
Diablo-D3: as a programmer and as someone who views both the law and business as domain specific languages, thats insane
Diablo-D3: yeah, when you lose 15 billion, the money didnt even really exist
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: back me up about the insanity part
mircea_popescu: Diablo-D3 i dunno either way. i still don't really comprehend what they did.
mircea_popescu: it's somewhere between "dressing up mathlab for idiots" and "conversations with aliens and spirits of the departed"
Diablo-D3: yes, but both of those ARE valid business models
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.421 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.42 = 0.84 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 20 @ 0.411 = 8.22 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.411 = 0.822 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.4459 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8400 @ 0.00066568 = 5.5917 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22000 @ 0.00066568 = 14.645 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: Anyone else notice that there has be some semi-whale like action on s.dice tonight?
error4733: good, SD run under EV for one week
Bugpowder: yeah, SDICE up 1300 in the last 100 bets over 10
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C120T] 1000 @ 0.24450216 = 244.5022 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C110T] 1000 @ 0.31321887 = 313.2189 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 14.85109, Best ask: 14.89897, Bid-ask spread: 0.04788, Last trade: 14.89897, 24 hour volume: 45268.43294958, 24 hour low: 14.35600, 24 hour high: 14.92000, 24 hour vwap: 14.62078
assbot: I don't give a shit who saw what and who did what or who did who.
assbot: Um, shouldn't you be with your own tribe or somethin'?
assbot: [MPEX:O.BTCUSD.C110T] 1D: 0.31226848 / 0.31274367 / 0.31321887 (2000 shares, 625.49 BTC), 7D: 0.21996239 / 0.28818392 / 0.31321887 (2720 shares, 783.86 BTC), 30D: 0.16843117 / 0.25993706 / 0.31321887 (10665 shares, 2,772.23 BTC)
Bugpowder: error4733 on my google doc importer
Bugpowder: in the first cell of a google spreadsheet
Bugpowder: then you can build your own analysis around it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9646 @ 0.00066568 = 6.4211 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7700 @ 0.00066642 = 5.1314 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 254 @ 0.0006698 = 0.1701 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4206 @ 0.00066482 = 2.7962 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3594 @ 0.00065882 = 2.3678 BTC [-]
error4733: @bug : ok and ? some manip to do ?
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 14.85001, Best ask: 14.87999, Bid-ask spread: 0.02998, Last trade: 14.88000, 24 hour volume: 43785.59666564, 24 hour low: 14.42508, 24 hour high: 14.92000, 24 hour vwap: 14.66609
Diablo-D3: awaaaaaaaaAAaaaaAAAaaaAAaaAAAAAAAaaAAAAAAaaaAAaaAAaAAAy we gooooo
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 400 @ 0.005879 = 2.3516 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1811 @ 0.00066217 = 1.1992 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8350 @ 0.00066194 = 5.5272 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7139 @ 0.00065987 = 4.7108 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18208 @ 0.00065987 = 12.0149 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5392 @ 0.00065943 = 3.5556 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8858 @ 0.00065943 = 5.8412 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12042 @ 0.0006592 = 7.9381 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 14.85117, Best ask: 14.91196, Bid-ask spread: 0.06079, Last trade: 14.91196, 24 hour volume: 46332.20423688, 24 hour low: 14.45000, 24 hour high: 14.92000, 24 hour vwap: 14.70084
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14650 @ 0.0006592 = 9.6573 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.00579708 = 2.8985 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 176 @ 0.00573305 = 1.009 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9278 @ 0.00066312 = 6.1524 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21150 @ 0.00066541 = 14.0734 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20509 @ 0.00066974 = 13.7357 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13868 @ 0.00067027 = 9.2953 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17250 @ 0.00067029 = 11.5625 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5750 @ 0.0006714 = 3.8606 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20450 @ 0.00067238 = 13.7502 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75000 @ 0.0006725 = 50.4375 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8674 @ 0.00067289 = 5.8366 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18071 @ 0.00067375 = 12.1753 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00473687 / 0.00503935 / 0.00598999 (145350 shares, 732.47 BTC), 7D: 0.00449034 / 0.00471101 / 0.00598999 (2616031 shares, 12,324.15 BTC), 30D: 0.0014 / 0.00372409 / 0.00598999 (11740066 shares, 43,721.16 BTC)
Bugpowder: US jobless aid applications fall to 5-year low
Bugpowder: SP500 is gonna blow thru the 5 year high today
mircea_popescu: yes but that just means chronical unemployment is becoming unamangeable
mircea_popescu: other than govt and high skilled tech jobs there's no hiring.
mircea_popescu: govt is a pointless expense and high skilled techs have no business playing the employee anwyay
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 201 @ 0.00150005 = 0.3015 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: The C140Ts are the ugly duckling of the MPOE
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7100 @ 0.0006647 = 4.7194 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: arent the strike price options the highes leverage usually?
Bugpowder: I dunno how the spread effects that
Bugpowder: more likely people are non-rational
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 14.95895, Best ask: 14.96000, Bid-ask spread: 0.00105, Last trade: 14.95895, 24 hour volume: 45073.86760974, 24 hour low: 14.45000, 24 hour high: 14.97000, 24 hour vwap: 14.72695
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00565991 = 5.6599 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2274 @ 0.00565992 = 12.8707 BTC [+]
pigeons: i don't know what's going on with this dice price
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00064635 / 0.00066278 / 0.00067375 (780682 shares, 517.43 BTC), 7D: 0.00062769 / 0.00065893 / 0.00067375 (6816444 shares, 4,491.59 BTC), 30D: 0.00058738 / 0.00063911 / 0.00067375 (39841651 shares, 25,463.37 BTC)
pigeons: ok i don't know is going on with the demand for this dice
Bugpowder: What if the world economy had 1 company that made money
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14000 @ 0.0006647 = 9.3058 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10450 @ 0.00067375 = 7.0407 BTC [+]
pigeons: dusplays a qr code for that
pigeons: also released a WP plugin so download this content via bitcoincapcha
pigeons: one day someone will think of a use haha
mircea_popescu: i know there's people who use them to pass mpex stuff from cold to hot machine
kakobrekla: we are excluding thoese two people from the study
kakobrekla: pizzaman1337 i code and i code and i code
pizzaman1337: kakobrekla: do you profit and profit and profit too?
kakobrekla: i have some interesting stuff that im testing now
pizzaman1337: I'll be back to bit4x in a month or two probably, busy at the moment with other stuff
kakobrekla: accually i know the person who made it :)
mircea_popescu: Amazon Kindles today already track bookmark usage patterns which they relay back to Amazon on via its wireless Whispernet.
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: erm? its just cloud sync
Diablo-D3: then load up it on a different device
Diablo-D3: and continue reading where I left off
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3000 @ 0.00067374 = 2.0212 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: its where multiple devices share the same state
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7679 @ 0.00067375 = 5.1737 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19089 @ 0.00067389 = 12.8639 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: EskimoBob: amazon has yet to enforce it on anyone
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8900 @ 0.00067439 = 6.0021 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: they cant seem to make a working DRM
pigeons: i think the funny thing is one of the first books amazon literally took back after publisher isses even after folks had paid for it was "1984"
mircea_popescu: this crap needs to die. apple, amazon, the whole shebang.
mircea_popescu: electronic devices where the buyer isn't the root user should be illegal.
mircea_popescu: making them illegal will pretty much be mpex's largest lobby effort in the future, im pretty sure.
pigeons: funnier that that is i've literally often encountered people who actually think apple is like a humanitarian organization
mircea_popescu: ya, sure, in the sense the dutch slave transporters were humanitarians
pigeons: oh shit mpex gonna get political, sell sell
mircea_popescu: i never heard of a company that size which managed to avoid getting political.
pigeons: bfl is bigger and they ain't political </troll>
Diablo-D3: [09:54:49] <pigeons> i think the funny thing is one of the first books amazon literally took back after publisher isses even after folks had paid for it was "1984"
Diablo-D3: they also said thats not happening again
Diablo-D3: they amended the licensing agreement with all the publishers that if they have to do that: too fucking bad
Diablo-D3: the reason 1984 was recalled was because the publisher apparently didnt have the rights to publish it as an ebook
Diablo-D3: and amazon ended up replacing it anyhow
Diablo-D3: the problem was people lost any bookmarks and notes on the title
Diablo-D3: due to how amazon stores data in the kindle software
Diablo-D3: I mean, at least Amazon fixed it and put it place that it cant happen again
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8850 @ 0.00067615 = 5.9839 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: pigeons: is it still pr if they actually fix it?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100 @ 0.00067827 = 0.0678 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: Diablo-D3 quoth mpoe-pr : "pr is being right. packaging is secondary."
pigeons: or i'll kick you in the GoMaD_s
mircea_popescu: i guess she'd have been taken out and shot if she worked for anyone else
pigeons: Korbman: keep buying those S.DICE
Korbman: I'd love to. Anybody want to give me money?
pigeons: pigeon pass through only 4%, pm
kakobrekla: ill pass you through PPT (no association with pirate) for 4.20% only
Korbman: what's with all the .net, .split quits?
Korbman: I'm not familiar with that one
pigeons: it's the way the IRC protocol/network works
mircea_popescu: clients connect to servers. servers sometimes lose connections to each other
mircea_popescu: clients on either side of this split see clients on the other side as netsplit.
pigeons: that server and the users connected aren't reachable termporarily
pigeons: so terryww you manually joined a different server? Korbman was asking about netsplits
mircea_popescu: pigeons you can pick the server if you want to, just bypass the dns
Korbman: Googling helped as well of course
pigeons: yeah, i was demoing for Korbman how most will rejoin when the server sees the other servers, but terry was different
Korbman: I imagine the other two will pop back soon as well
mircea_popescu: what happened here was that their server died, and this was reported first to the irc network and then to the clients linked to it.
mircea_popescu: they just saw their connection die and reloaded, ending up back on
mircea_popescu: "Unless I misunderstand something, having 1gb blocks would pose significant problems for pretty much all miners, and would not be necessarily trivial to handle on asics designed with 1mb/block assumptions in mind."
kakobrekla: would need to check what comes out the GBH or whatever is called protocol
Schadenfreude: GBH? I only know GHB, it's an easy entry synthesis, kinda babby's first home-made drug
mircea_popescu: that's a good comparison i thought. bw is an important limiting factor for miners.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.5 = 1.5 BTC [+]
topace_: with stratum bandwidth isnt an issue
topace_: i have 25GH running and it uses less than a 28.8 modem
Diablo-D3: heh, I should add stratum to diablominer
assbot: [BTCTC] [GOLD] 1 @ 1.1893 BTC [-]
Korbman: T1 is slow as shit, so probably
Diablo-D3: my DSL is approximately two those.
Diablo-D3: because all we had was dialup, and we didnt even have 56k yet
Diablo-D3: I started with 2400, then had 14.4, then had 33.6, then 56k for awhile
mircea_popescu: topace_ now multiply that 1.5 mbps with 100 because 2.5th won't be too rare by the time blocks are 1gb
Diablo-D3: and then I had 768k dsl and now 3mbps
Diablo-D3: and soon as fairpoint gets done raping verizon's dead corpse, Ill get 15
Korbman: when I was a kid I was happy to have 28.8 ..then we moved up to 56 and damn it was "fast"
Diablo-D3: 2 days to download an episode of anime
Korbman: and then I went straight from that to 1mbps cable and shit my pants
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 10 @ 0.1435 = 1.435 BTC [-]
Korbman: now I'm on 25mbps and I think it's too slow sometimes :P
jcpham: i wikipedia stalked your country i think
jcpham: now i forget everything i learned
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: i stole some code from work to help with the endeavor
assbot: Provide exchange and ticker.
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00064635 / 0.0006636 / 0.00067827 (852750 shares, 565.89 BTC), 7D: 0.00062769 / 0.00065914 / 0.00067827 (6872362 shares, 4,529.89 BTC), 30D: 0.00058998 / 0.00063929 / 0.00067827 (39819121 shares, 25,456.12 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX:O.BTCUSD.C140T] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.10808014 / 0.12130616 / 0.14775821 (15 shares, 1.82 BTC), 30D: 0.01359389 / 0.02685208 / 0.19999999 (1051 shares, 28.22 BTC)
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 14.87203, Best ask: 14.98901, Bid-ask spread: 0.11698, Last trade: 14.87001, 24 hour volume: 47086.67851179, 24 hour low: 14.45900, 24 hour high: 14.99002, 24 hour vwap: 14.76172
topace_: no, the difficulty for stratum will just go up
topace_: right now each block i submit to the pool is worth 16 shares
topace_: with 2.5TH, each block i submit will be worth like, 64 shares
topace_: it'll still try to submit x blocks every x minutes
mircea_popescu: i dunno, you actually have to somehow get the data you're hashing
kakobrekla: i got rid of all my gear except for single moded ztex runing 260mhash, ill just put it on solo and check in 10 years
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 90 @ 0.1435 = 12.915 BTC [-]
topace_: yea but the hash string is a short piece of text
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.00587899 = 2.9395 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.509 = 2.545 BTC [+]
Korbman: So the reality is, even at a TH/s bandwidth shouldn't be an issue?
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla> i got rid of all my gear except for single moded ztex runing 260mhash, ill just put it on solo and check in 10 years << tbh, if i mined i'd solo too.
Korbman: that's what I presumed, but I wasn't sure the exact amount of data consumed per, say, 1GH/s
mircea_popescu: Korbman there are two factors here : hash speed and average block size.
mircea_popescu: the ideea is that both will go up by degrees of magnitude (like, one or two every year)
mircea_popescu: and the question is, are there asumptions baked in (or even burned into silicon)
mircea_popescu: i have no clue about mining, but i've managed projects before and i'm inclined to suspect that probably there are.
jcpham: i'm going to keep mining as long as the orphanage is paying my power bill
pigeons: mircea_popescu: the other, non bfl asic manufacturers have mentioned that their devices are agnostic to bitcoin mining, only for sha-256 hashing and i think even agnosting to the 2x256 thing and all that detail stuff being handled in host controller software
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.51 = 2.55 BTC [+]
pigeons: but if big blocks like that, bfl has to rewrite their tablet software!
pigeons: anyway, see, if they were a scam, why even write that in the first place!
pigeons: who is this Shavers guy BFL hired for marketing?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 50 @ 0.515 = 25.75 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 8 @ 0.52 = 4.16 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.5275 = 2.6375 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.52999999 = 5.3 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.55 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 30 @ 0.55 = 16.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 8 @ 0.58 = 4.64 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 9 @ 0.58 = 5.22 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2000 @ 0.00067826 = 1.3565 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4550 @ 0.00067827 = 3.0861 BTC [+]
Korbman: damn...glad to see I'm still holding my shares of SDICE bought at .37 :P
assbot: [HAVELOCK:SDICE] 1D: 0.48000000 / 0.52973776 / 0.58000000 (143 shares, 75.75249990 BTC), 7D: 0.47500000 / 0.49032197 / 0.58000000 (719 shares, 352.54149990 BTC), 30D: 0.37000000 / 0.45605941 / 0.62000000 (3678 shares, 1677.38649988 BTC)
topace_: we'll see what happens on next dividend
topace_: i think a lot of people foolishly think that the crazy up luck month of december will continue
jurov: got announcements from amir/genjix:
jurov: I know how to format Sunday. Some of you will also know how to format
jurov: Sunday night events. I think we should definitely do it that way.
jurov: It's cold outside so we'll do it inside instead.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 14.90004, Best ask: 15.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.09996, Last trade: 14.90004, 24 hour volume: 48207.48847395, 24 hour low: 14.45900, 24 hour high: 15.00000, 24 hour vwap: 14.77713
jcpham: We have good news we have had a new shipment come in yesterday and were able to ship it to you.
jcpham: 15.15 the kids are bidding
mircea_popescu: <topace_> i think a lot of people foolishly think that the crazy up luck month of december will continue << actually december wasn't much off ev was it ?
jcpham: <amphipod> +Jan17 16:49:36 bitstamp 10.0000 @ 15.01 USD
jcpham: <amphipod> +Jan17 18:49:30 cbx 5.5012 @ 14.31 USD
jcpham: <amphipod> +Jan17 16:49:53 mtgox 0.2500 @ 15.15029 USD
jcpham: <amphipod> +Jan17 16:49:58 bitme 5.2000 @ 15.29 USD
jcpham: <amphipod> +Jan17 18:49:53 cbx 0.1366 @ 14.31 USD
jcpham: * i2pRelay (~i2prelay@gateway/tor-sasl/i2prelay) has joined #bitcoin-market
jcpham: <amphipod> +Jan17 16:50:22 btcn 1.0000 @ 91.98 CNY
jcpham: <amphipod> +Jan17 16:50:22 mtgox x23 24.6047 @ 15.16041205 USD
jurov: mircea, dunno, perhaps some anarchist thing
jcpham: it's every exchange too not just gox
smickles: damn mircea_popescu, who do you think will be chosen as judges
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C140T] 110 @ 0.1385 = 15.235 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C140T] 510 @ 0.1409839 = 71.9018 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: smickles well i have no idea, seeing how neither party gave any input. random pick
jcpham: i was at home yesterday
jcpham: that client is the suck
jcpham: yes where can ireadup on the particulars
jcpham: also it looks like this dispute is against mpex et al.
smickles: maybe i shouldn't start discussing details in case i'm chosen as a judge
jcpham: i think you are correct. no cross- talk
jcpham: but i would like any and al details to the particulars
jcpham: the sum of 130.04256216 mistakenly sent 130.00 BTC instead."
jcpham: is all i have deciphered thus far
jcpham: so it's a ssimple as someone not follwing the rules
jcpham: i assume mpex to be automated
jurov: did he at least send the additional 0.04256216?
jcpham: if it was mine it would be automated
jurov: i would, and then i'd argue it was nowhere sait it must be sent at once :P
smickles: jcpham: deposits arn't automated
smickles: well, I can't wait to see the argments presented
jcpham: iirc the mpex faq had some such statement about incorrect amounts
smickles: and I wonder if i'll be chosen as a judge or not
jurov: lol, there's a nice public note on blockchain.info.. did not knew this is possible
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 25 @ 0.00594222 = 0.1486 BTC [+]
jurov: or grep "Public Note:"
smickles: i think it's stuff you can put in the tx
jurov: no you can't put stuff like this into tx
smickles: use bitcoind help sendtoaddress
jurov: he mush have associated it some other way
jcpham: i'm thinking blockchain wallet
smickles: 1there are coinbase fields for [comment] and [comment-to]
jcpham: if it was in the tranasaction then the transaction isn't amistake
jcpham: so that idea negates the claim
jcpham: If bitcointalk wasn't such a toxic waste dump I'd suggest someone curate this information ina thread
jcpham: i'm fine i have my own notes
smickles: and they use OP_DROP to put the message in
mircea_popescu: smickles so basically, it's not a signature or anything ?
smickles: mircea_popescu: if it's in the tx, it is signed by the sender
mircea_popescu: problem is, the addies that signed are not the addies that sent the 130
smickles: what are you saying it's not proof of? it looks like a message they put up when decided to sue mpex
jcpham: i assume the message was added after the fact and blochain.info allows something special
mircea_popescu: smickles it's not proof that the same person actually sent the 130
jcpham: it appears that way from the information i am reading
mircea_popescu: understand, anyone watching mpex addy can claim any rounded sums
jcpham: so now there is the issue of ownership
jcpham: how does one prove ownership
mircea_popescu: either sign with the addy or show the deposit slip issued by mpex.
jcpham: we know who or where the current owner is, but can the previous owner prove ownership
smickles: i don't think the message could be added after the fact, it's in the tx afaik, however, the tx with the message was made on this past 17th, and isn't the 130 btc in question
smickles: so what are you guys on about?
topace_: heh this is gonna crash hard
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 15.29900, Best ask: 15.29980, Bid-ask spread: 0.00080, Last trade: 15.29900, 24 hour volume: 51318.02221687, 24 hour low: 14.45900, 24 hour high: 15.29990, 24 hour vwap: 14.82395
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 548 @ 0.00594222 = 3.2563 BTC [+]
smickles: people freaking out about the state of the world and going to bitcoin would be interesting
smickles: jcpham: did you see what i declared as my company's themesong?
jcpham: i never listened to it
smickles: ah well, i suppose it's not really important
jcpham: i saw the link but got busy
jurov: smickles. the message was certainly NOT in the tx. it looks like was just slapped on some other unrelated tx using blockchain.info
jcpham: the plaintiff will need to prove ownership. i don't see where that has been performed yet.
jcpham: maybe i've missed something
smickles: jurov: that's what i'm saying, the message is on an unrelated tx
jcpham: from the same address for a token amount
jcpham: however this doesn't prove an identity or ownership
jurov: OK, being "in" and "on" is quite a difference :)
Tritonio: hae you people seen the amazingrando scam accusation? How big was his mining op?
smickles: jurov: well, i wasn't making the distinction there, maybe out of my own ignorrance, but i saw a statement by piuk that those blockchian messags are in txns via OP_DROP
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 1 @ 0.8001 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 1 @ 0.8 BTC [-]
jurov: on polimedia.us/btcf is registration disabled or i'm blind?
jurov: in just got idea... saw some people advertising their forum, can't remember
jurov: i'd like to have some support topic for coinbr
jurov: where i could be admin ... i don't want btctalk
mircea_popescu: jurov forum was more a joke thing. it was never open registration, so it wouldn't make too good a support venue
jurov: and don't want to install/maintain more stuff on the vps just for that
jurov: mircea yes, but there were some other ppl that looked serious :)
smickles: jurov: yeah, you could only get membership on that forum if you had significant -otc trust with mircea, or even better L2 trust to mircea
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 82 @ 0.00594222 = 0.4873 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 918 @ 0.00595019 = 5.4623 BTC [+]
jurov: ;;gettrust mircea_popescu
jurov: or it was meant the otther way around?
jurov: ;;gettrust mircea_popescu jurov
mircea_popescu: i kinda forgot all about it lol. soon after glbse imploded and etc
Tatsuya: nice - any plans/chance you guys might post / give access to bet databases for running statistical analyses?
Tatsuya: That's what I meant, but yeah ok
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24900 @ 0.00067576 = 16.8264 BTC [-]
smickles: couldn't you construct that yourself?
Tatsuya: One thing that would be nice for the site, though, would be to see not just the BTC ratio, but also the user ratio
smickles: they're more like waves that have particle-like properties tho
smickles: er, i mean to say, you can't really say that a givin bet was done by a specific user
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11546 @ 0.00067576 = 7.8023 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 608 @ 0.00067576 = 0.4109 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8092 @ 0.00067575 = 5.4682 BTC [-]
Korbman: why the hell is blockchain.info showing up in spanish to me now...
Korbman: lol it was english this morning
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 482 @ 0.00595019 = 2.868 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 950 @ 0.00598578 = 5.6865 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 318 @ 0.00598999 = 1.9048 BTC [+]
Tatsuya: mircea_popescu, yup - that! better to gauge the riskyness of the best looking @ sample size - I know you list the individual bets, but tallying is a pain
Tatsuya: on top of the BTC no/yes in red/blue, also show # of users no/yes in red/blue
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 1 @ 0.7801 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 1 @ 0.78 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: i think that would be too crowded, perhaps we could place that info someplace else
Tatsuya: sure - just some way that's easier than counting the bets by hand
smickles: heh, add an "all the stats on this bet that you could ever want" link
Tatsuya: It's just for when - let's say you have a bet that's 100 BTC vs 100 BTC. It could be that just one person but in a 100 BTC 'no' bet and 1000 people put in 0.1 BTC bets. which would be an entirely different betting situation than 100 people betting 0.5 BTC 'yes' and 100 people betting 0.5 BTC 'no'
smickles: mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: don't for get the unicorn to leprechaun ratio
mircea_popescu: yeah. course you can sorta gauge that from the betlist
smickles: i say you can't, unique btc addys are easy to come by
smickles: low enough effort that you can't discount the possibility of a troll
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 125 @ 0.00598999 = 0.7487 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5785 @ 0.00067575 = 3.9092 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6615 @ 0.00067519 = 4.4664 BTC [-]
Tatsuya: there could still be statistical ways of detecting the probability of a troll vs not a troll
Tatsuya: I just want to get Bayesian all up on this data
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8694 @ 0.00067827 = 5.8969 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3106 @ 0.00067874 = 2.1082 BTC [+]
dub: so I never synced past "blocks" : 191463,
dub: been on that block for days
dub: wonder how many people just give up on bitcoin because of this
dub: I'd guess maybe >50%
Bugpowder: OK that is about enough bitcoin price raise for this month thank you very much
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 1 @ 0.76 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LTC-MINING] 2 @ 0.41 = 0.82 BTC [-]
gribble: There are currently 26018.869 bitcoins offered at or under 20.0 USD, worth 462205.640168 USD in total.
gribble: There are currently 0 bitcoins offered at or under 15.0 USD, worth 0.0 USD in total.
gribble: There are currently 19450.404 bitcoins offered at or under 19.0 USD, worth 331657.94613 USD in total.
gribble: There are currently 8987.8874 bitcoins offered at or under 16.9 USD, worth 145203.270584 USD in total.
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00064635 / 0.00066602 / 0.00067874 (838877 shares, 558.72 BTC), 7D: 0.00062769 / 0.00065943 / 0.00067874 (6900079 shares, 4,550.16 BTC), 30D: 0.00059238 / 0.00063945 / 0.00067874 (39816563 shares, 25,460.78 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.0048577 / 0.00529282 / 0.00598999 (83611 shares, 442.54 BTC), 7D: 0.00449034 / 0.00471824 / 0.00598999 (2501791 shares, 11,804.07 BTC), 30D: 0.0014 / 0.00372541 / 0.00598999 (11744538 shares, 43,753.22 BTC)
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 15.47100, Best ask: 15.58111, Bid-ask spread: 0.11011, Last trade: 15.47101, 24 hour volume: 55890.61316392, 24 hour low: 14.46811, 24 hour high: 15.58900, 24 hour vwap: 14.91688
mircea_popescu: all the theoreticians of btc as commodity will have a serious problem explaining this so far pretty consistent behaviour
gribble: There are currently 73086.439 bitcoins demanded at or over 12.0 USD, worth 1001985.33423 USD in total.
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C160T] 1000 @ 0.07214377 = 72.1438 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 75 @ 0.00598999 = 0.4492 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 200 @ 0.00598999 = 1.198 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [CREATE] 10 @ 0.04 = 0.4 BTC
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 15.61901, Best ask: 15.68000, Bid-ask spread: 0.06099, Last trade: 15.61901, 24 hour volume: 56166.81154533, 24 hour low: 14.47027, 24 hour high: 15.68000, 24 hour vwap: 14.93915
Bugpowder: Yeah I am short a fair number of calls
Bugpowder: by next Friday anything is possible
pigeons: this rvm stuff reminds me of the same retardedness as windows SxS
mircea_popescu: i guess im the first bitcoin person to be worth > 10mn.
Bugpowder: It could be be a painful month for MPORB or a great one.
assbot: [BTCTC] [CREATE] 124 @ 0.04 = 4.96 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 200 @ 0.00598999 = 1.198 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1524 @ 0.00593682 = 9.0477 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1126 @ 0.00581826 = 6.5514 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 15.36587, Best ask: 15.36588, Bid-ask spread: 0.00001, Last trade: 15.36588, 24 hour volume: 58349.69576818, 24 hour low: 14.50622, 24 hour high: 15.68000, 24 hour vwap: 14.96194
mircea_popescu: well,. this is too much excitement for me. anyone care rto recomend a movie ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 100 @ 0.00576441 = 0.5764 BTC [-]
dub: is that you EskimoBob?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6658 @ 0.00067874 = 4.5191 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3600 @ 0.00067882 = 2.4438 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11250 @ 0.00067928 = 7.6419 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17892 @ 0.00067983 = 12.1635 BTC [+]
dub: sounds retarded enough to be EskimoBob
pigeons: CREATE is matthew from "red star mining", quite an interesting fellow, with some idea to sell 3d printing services of some kind and not really make any money from it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 100 @ 0.00598999 = 0.599 BTC [+]
dub: yes, 'interesting' is one word
dub: or dumber than a box of hammers
dub: would you download a tank?
mircea_popescu: if i could download a tank i wouldn't download boobs...
dub: yeah, take boobs by force with your new tank
pigeons: no you cannot download a nitrous tank mp
dub: 'Romainian village raped at tank-point'
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.58 = 2.9 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 17 @ 0.58 = 9.86 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.5875 = 1.175 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4441 @ 0.00067983 = 3.0191 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16406 @ 0.00067998 = 11.1558 BTC [+]
Ukto: yeah we had light snow over night liek 2 nights in a row
jcpham: i opened my window to watch it
Ukto: just enough to whiten things
kakobrekla: unbelivalbe what kind of garbage asset people come up with
Ukto: kakobrekla: which one now?
Ukto: its more of a crowdfunding
Ukto: would work better in my new stuff thats comming up
assbot: [BTCTC] [MININGCO.ETF] 50 @ 0.5 = 25 BTC
jurov: they were helpful and quick, i have own board with admin rights
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1900 @ 0.00067519 = 1.2829 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 15 @ 0.33 = 4.95 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [CREATE] 1 @ 0.04 BTC
jurov: 14 guests viewing this board? lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25500 @ 0.00067519 = 17.2173 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 15 @ 0.33 = 4.95 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18772 @ 0.00067519 = 12.6747 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 12 @ 0.421 = 5.052 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.421 = 0.842 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 50 @ 0.00598999 = 0.2995 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00067519 = 7.3596 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11113 @ 0.00067519 = 7.5034 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4737 @ 0.00066769 = 3.1628 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 50 @ 0.00598998 = 0.2995 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 50 @ 0.00598998 = 0.2995 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 15.50001, Best ask: 15.54987, Bid-ask spread: 0.04986, Last trade: 15.50001, 24 hour volume: 67571.97026330, 24 hour low: 14.60030, 24 hour high: 15.68000, 24 hour vwap: 15.06797
dub: i don't grok CREATE at all
dub: seems to just be a free printer for Garr
mircea_popescu: dub let's face it, pretending like we're doing finance is cool.
dub: well it is finance, like getting 'finance' from an appliance store, right? only not having to pay it back
dub: he could print a free DIY lobotomy tool for anyone that invests
mircea_popescu: and "invests"... well... kids wanna have fun on the interwebs. why not ?
Namworld: He should have made a bond like BTC-BOND
dub: its shaped like a pencil, you hold it up to an eye and slam your face into the desk
mircea_popescu: 2.4k of which 800 due ? or 2.4k capital of which 800 writeoff ?
Namworld: 2.4k out of which I own 770 personally.
mircea_popescu: so he owes 2369 btc to btc-mining of which 770 are your share ?
Namworld: He's more than late. He hasn't been answering my PMs ever since he said he stopped GPU mining and said he'd be back when BFL would ship because he spent everything on that.
gigavps: Namworld he's still mining
gigavps: i'm have 14 machines in WA
Namworld: Yeah. If you have his contact info, I wouldn't mind.
mircea_popescu: so the guy with the 130 btc sent it off blockchain wallet ;/
mircea_popescu: if there a way for a user to prove he owns a blockchain address ?
jcpham: mircea_popescu in the original terms/faq/whatever for mpex, didn't you have some wordage saying something about incorrect amount being sent to you would be kept
jcpham: or has that changed now with rota
Namworld: mircea: you can sign message with your blockchain.info addresses.
jcpham: i seem to recall wordage somehwere along those lines
mircea_popescu: jcpham it was always the case, but i mostly hold it as a reserve to protect against rampant idiocy.
mircea_popescu: otherwise, people should have equitable remedy if they're reasonable i think
dub: ;;getrating amazingrando
mircea_popescu: this guy is kinda noobish, i think detailed explanation would help him a lot.
Namworld: There should be an option somewhere.
Namworld: Some people claimed with a blockchain address signing a message.
Namworld: No, I was told how but I don't remember
dub: [16:46] <mircea_popescu> if there a way for a user to prove he owns a blockchain address ?
Namworld: Should be in one of the dropdown menu when logged in.
jcpham: the most prolific investor in bitcoin
mircea_popescu: ya well, the dude fucked up. to be fair pretty much anyone in bitcoin has serious self image issues, so.
pigeons: i'm roger ver, respect my authorital!
pigeons: but i want to write country songs, all the ones i threw away for being too obvious are now #1 hits
pigeons: yer lovin made me as sick as a dog, so i'm sickin my dog on you
jurov: if not else, at least i know now what "fiduciary" means :P
mircea_popescu: "Alright, the contract has been revised, and I'm ready to list the shares. There's a BTC-TC database error preventing me from viewing the issuing account's portfolio, so as soon as Burnside fixes that the shares will be listed."
mircea_popescu: thanks to whoever linked that, a thoroughly entertaining read.
mircea_popescu: i guess someone selling shares in his ex wife is imminent.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 15.50001, Best ask: 15.54999, Bid-ask spread: 0.04998, Last trade: 15.50001, 24 hour volume: 68141.94352689, 24 hour low: 14.60030, 24 hour high: 15.68000, 24 hour vwap: 15.07886
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P150T] 10 @ 0.10411595 = 1.0412 BTC [+]
markedathome: pigeons: just imagine a richard cheese version
jcpham: once they start breathing in each others' faces
pigeons: did they take viagra first?
pigeons: today i'm watching videos. i don't do it often
mircea_popescu: guys i have started a project on ltc-global to get some funding for buying the whole coinurl project and bring it back to live
mircea_popescu: there's some sort of rule of management decay at work.
mircea_popescu: like, zhou tong was incompetent. when reality confronted him, he sold out to... bitcoin consultancy. even more incompetent than him, but more numerous.
pigeons: let me know if you want more
jcpham: i want that time back pigeons
jcpham: i'm sending you a bill for that
pigeons: i waited till the guy with the usa flag dew rap started singing really high
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 700 @ 0.00598998 = 4.193 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 492 @ 0.00598999 = 2.9471 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 100 @ 0.00598999 = 0.599 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2000 @ 0.00067997 = 1.3599 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2094 @ 0.00067998 = 1.4239 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13407 @ 0.00067999 = 9.1166 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16516 @ 0.00067999 = 11.2307 BTC [+]
dub: how does it go? never attribute to malice..
dub: occams electric shaver oslt
jurov: mkt cap ~8 BTC , price ~0.006 BTC
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 2 @ 0.0064 = 0.0128 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: after the "sell shares in 3d printer" thing i'm satisfied lol
dub: think there is room in the marketz for a 'buy dub a GT86' sekuritai?
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 3 @ 0.3299 = 0.9897 BTC [-]
dub: I'll promise to take people for a drive if they knock on my door
dub: but I will need to issue more shares when I get speeding tickets
dub: I was thinking i0coin
mircea_popescu: they're cheaper and more convenient than wearing glasses
Rassah: Was driving from work. No driving and IRCing allowed
Rassah: So couldn't say hi earlier
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5150 @ 0.00067289 = 3.4654 BTC [-]
dub: who is getting sued?
Rassah: And we've discussed stuff, and I think have our next step
Rassah: Should we post what we need on the blog?
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: footnotes are very much underappreciated. zooko does some great footnotes, but uses them mostly for URL citation-style stuff.
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: I saw that and realised I've been doing online posts all wrong. lol
mircea_popescu: markedathome it's a secret davinci-esque code of hermetic mystery.
Bugpowder: btw, the ponzi plot is looking fantastic today
Rassah: Oh, looks like there are some new posts already. Well, added one more
markedathome: i know db has announced the title of the new book. which apparently took 30 secs to solve.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11962 @ 0.00067289 = 8.0491 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1313 @ 0.00066769 = 0.8767 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1700 @ 0.00066494 = 1.1304 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00066311 = 6.6311 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1125 @ 0.00066193 = 0.7447 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: srsly, this bitcoin funny money thing is liek, almost irl
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 15.55001, Best ask: 15.63899, Bid-ask spread: 0.08898, Last trade: 15.55001, 24 hour volume: 65081.75412806, 24 hour low: 14.60030, 24 hour high: 15.68000, 24 hour vwap: 15.13187
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 15.55003, Best ask: 15.64787, Bid-ask spread: 0.09784, Last trade: 15.63787, 24 hour volume: 64306.40430631, 24 hour low: 14.60030, 24 hour high: 15.68000, 24 hour vwap: 15.13821
jurov: <rg> i just fired 3 people
jurov: lol he couldn't do such in bitvps
mircea_popescu: you hear that Bugpowder ? unemployment figures set to raise next q.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 15.60001, Best ask: 15.64732, Bid-ask spread: 0.04731, Last trade: 15.60001, 24 hour volume: 64247.08016946, 24 hour low: 14.63000, 24 hour high: 15.69999, 24 hour vwap: 15.15619
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 15.60001, Best ask: 15.64732, Bid-ask spread: 0.04731, Last trade: 15.60001, 24 hour volume: 64247.08016946, 24 hour low: 14.63000, 24 hour high: 15.69999, 24 hour vwap: 15.15619
mircea_popescu: clark is if i recall corectly your own computer making the requests.
assbot: The vision of Christ that thou dost see ... is my vision's greatest enemy.
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00065302 / 0.00066948 / 0.00067999 (895716 shares, 599.67 BTC), 7D: 0.00062769 / 0.00066001 / 0.00067999 (7069765 shares, 4,666.17 BTC), 30D: 0.000612 / 0.00063987 / 0.00067999 (39759591 shares, 25,441.14 BTC)
mod6: yeah, its been since august of 11 since the last time it was here.
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.3299 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 34 @ 0.3299 = 11.2166 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 15.55001, Best ask: 15.61183, Bid-ask spread: 0.06182, Last trade: 15.55001, 24 hour volume: 64376.35373078, 24 hour low: 14.63000, 24 hour high: 15.69999, 24 hour vwap: 15.15862
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 8 @ 0.33 = 2.64 BTC [+]
mod6: it chewed through that 1500 quick
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 200 @ 0.00595623 = 1.1912 BTC [-]
mod6: about 1200 sold down to 15.45, but its bouncin back up
kakobrekla: I'm not the law, but I represent justice, wearing fake ces badge wherever i can.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 15.60000, Best ask: 15.63373, Bid-ask spread: 0.03373, Last trade: 15.60000, 24 hour volume: 65938.68516129, 24 hour low: 14.63000, 24 hour high: 15.69999, 24 hour vwap: 15.16893
mod6: just hit 15.70 on gox
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 15.59000, Best ask: 15.71999, Bid-ask spread: 0.12999, Last trade: 15.59000, 24 hour volume: 66620.50423114, 24 hour low: 14.63000, 24 hour high: 15.71999, 24 hour vwap: 15.17564
mod6: its all in the timing :/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.00067862 = 3.5288 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9500 @ 0.00067694 = 6.4309 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1900 @ 0.00067694 = 1.2862 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11965 @ 0.00066884 = 8.0027 BTC [-]
dub: btw rg changed his WoT key
jurov: no he gave the old one away with bitvps
jurov: drawing the ire of #bitcoin-assets dwellers
jurov: one doesn't just give gpg key to others
jurov: why no? namworld did say they used it to pay divs, no?
pigeons: you're right, you don't give away your key, you work something out
jurov: rg has some explaining to do in #otc when he comes back from shower.. if he'lll bother at all
jurov: nobody seems to know what happened around bitvps
jurov: but i'm off... nite
dub: I guess one problem is that people who trust rg don't know that they now need to trust other people
dub: the fact that rg trusts them is not really relevant
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 200 @ 0.00595623 = 1.1912 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11700 @ 0.00067375 = 7.8829 BTC [+]
smickles: jcpham was appointed as the third? mircea_popescu when do argumets start?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3033 @ 0.00066884 = 2.0286 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18650 @ 0.00066884 = 12.4739 BTC [-]
Rassah: I'm still a bit confused as to the reason this even went to the rota
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12952 @ 0.00066884 = 8.6628 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4314 @ 0.00066249 = 2.858 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10484 @ 0.00067999 = 7.129 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11586 @ 0.00068 = 7.8785 BTC [+]
pigeons: the buyers and the sellers aren't too close on that S.BVPS
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 15.74226, Best ask: 15.88987, Bid-ask spread: 0.14761, Last trade: 15.88989, 24 hour volume: 67768.21255602, 24 hour low: 14.63000, 24 hour high: 15.88990, 24 hour vwap: 15.21111
OgNasty: mircea_popescu: Thank you. Any other suggestions?
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 2 @ 0.7032 = 1.4064 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 22 @ 0.7 = 15.4 BTC [-]
OgNasty: Charts will be coming soon...
OgNasty: If only I could get NastyFans broadcast via @assbot...
OgNasty: I don't have the answer to that question.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 30 @ 0.7 = 21 BTC [-]
smickles: lol: "Fixing it now is better than fixing it later." garnered: "Go f*ck yourself now is better than go f*ck yourself later."
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 50 @ 0.7 = 35 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: but Do you know what hardware and tech the military has?
mircea_popescu: i once had sex with this chick that was also a marine.
smickles: mircea_popescu: apparently they are afraid that they have stuff which is one quadtrillion times better than the theorhetical computing power of the entire planet
smickles: answer me this: how can a subset be larger than the whole?
smickles: mircea_popescu: what about her calves? musta been huge!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3950 @ 0.00066249 = 2.6168 BTC [-]
OgNasty: No @assbot for NastyFans. :( DENIED
OgNasty: Off to the Laker game. Have a good night all.
assbot: It's so strange that you don't remember any of your poetry.
assbot: Are you sure you have no tobacco?
assbot: The round stones beneath the earth... have spoken through the fire.
assbot: [MPEX:O.BTCUSD.C150T] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.07071277 / 0.07071277 / 0.07071277 (1 shares, 0.07 BTC), 30D: 0.01498159 / 0.0227757 / 0.17406879 (913 shares, 20.79 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX:O.BTCUSD.C140T] 1D: 0.1385 / 0.1405432 / 0.1409839 (620 shares, 87.14 BTC), 7D: 0.10808014 / 0.14008878 / 0.14775821 (635 shares, 88.96 BTC), 30D: 0.01359389 / 0.0690355 / 0.19999999 (1671 shares, 115.36 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C150T] 1 @ 0.07778404 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C140T] 10 @ 0.13757515 = 1.3758 BTC [-]
assbot: Have you got any tobacco?
assbot: The eagle never lost so much time as when he submitted to learn from the crow.
assbot: Shit. You ain't even old enough to smoke.
assbot: The eagle never lost so much time as when he submitted to learn from the crow.
smickles: clearly, that was assbot's conception
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 165 @ 0.00066249 = 0.1093 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11706 @ 0.00066193 = 7.7486 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2829 @ 0.00066 = 1.8671 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 400 @ 0.00587453 = 2.3498 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11400 @ 0.00066422 = 7.5721 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00066 = 6.204 BTC [-]
assbot: Quest for vision is a great blessing.
gribble: (everify <otp>) -- Verify the latest encrypt-authentication request by providing your decrypted one-time password. If verified, you'll be authenticated for the duration of the bot's or your IRC session on channel (whichever is shorter).
gribble: (eauth <nick>) -- Initiate authentication for user <nick>. You must have registered a GPG key with the bot for this to work. You will be given a link to a page which contains a one time password encrypted with your key. Decrypt, and use the 'everify' command with it. Your passphrase will expire in 10 minutes.
kakobrekla: i end up writing js in mql and python in php
gribble: (everify <otp>) -- Verify the latest encrypt-authentication request by providing your decrypted one-time password. If verified, you'll be authenticated for the duration of the bot's or your IRC session on channel (whichever is shorter).
thestringpuller: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:855535b1193e66576780bc7ba4adc284748055c9d43638c764230208
gribble: Error: In order to authenticate, you must be present in one of the following channels: #bitcoin-otc;#bitcoin-otc-foyer;#bitcoin-otc-ru;#bitcoin-otc-eu;#bitcoin-otc-uk;#bitcoin-otc-bans
gribble: Error: That operation cannot be done in a channel.
kakobrekla: someone raise their hand or its you thestringpuller
gribble: Error: That operation cannot be done in a channel.
smickles: thestringpuller: it's ";;ident <nick>"
gribble: Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-98-185.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net', is identified as user thestringpuller, with GPG key id 0FF2943DA179E169, key fingerprint 6ACE36E786F39A4ADC4506DE0FF2943DA179E169, and bitcoin address None
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BVPS] 156 @ 0.00040004 = 0.0624 BTC [+]
Namworld: Who sells those at those prices anyway?
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 216 @ 0.0049 = 1.0584 BTC [-]
Ukto: thestringpuller: hey
Ukto: I still havent had a chance to do much with teh ff7 disc2
Ukto: i cant just stick it in the system and "test" it
Ukto: it requests to insert disc 1. i would have to play thru disc one. not that i am unwilling. i just havent had anytime for games.
Ukto: Namworld: what rate?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4771 @ 0.00066 = 3.1489 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22935 @ 0.00065988 = 15.1343 BTC [-]
Namworld: You can offer. Not sure just how much I can pay.
Namworld: But I'm buying for my personal stake.
smickles: so is s.bvps going to the pink sheets, or privatizing?
mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> :amazed: << i would expect anyone cancelling an order would put a little in
smickles: "So lets ballpark it to say ~50,000 brand new nuclear reactors constructed and running continually to power nothing but this non-existent alien tech perfect computer for the next 10,000 years .... and it would still only have less than a 10% chance of brute forcing a Bitcoin address."
mircea_popescu: "Just realized that 30btc is an actual fee. I'm not able to pay that much just to set up an account. Sorry for the trouble."
mircea_popescu: one of these nice exchanges had better started advertising soon
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 13 @ 0.59 = 7.67 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.5925 = 1.7775 BTC [+]
smickles: mircea_popescu: why do people think they arn't supposed to pay the fee?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21600 @ 0.00066265 = 14.3132 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10650 @ 0.00066422 = 7.0739 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2656 @ 0.00066608 = 1.7691 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13742 @ 0.00066755 = 9.1735 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.00066908 = 2.877 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1082 @ 0.00067161 = 0.7267 BTC [+]
gribble: Time since last block: 2 minutes and 4 seconds
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1825 @ 0.00586004 = 10.6946 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1163 @ 0.00577278 = 6.7137 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2349 @ 0.00575741 = 13.5242 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.0057507 = 5.7507 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1917 @ 0.00573653 = 10.9969 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1746 @ 0.00562305 = 9.8178 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 2000 @ 0.00100008 = 2.0002 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 65000 @ 0.00100007 = 65.0046 BTC [-]
Namworld: smickles: we have to decide on that.
Namworld: We might relist or do a buyback.
Namworld: All I can say for now is that I don't personally intend to drop shareholders and rg asked us to keep everyone.
Namworld: We have to buy servers, we don't want to keep renting them. So we might not be able to do a buyback right away.
Namworld: I'll make a statement once we decide.
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P200T] 120 @ 0.31068697 = 37.2824 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P200T] 30 @ 0.31068697 = 9.3206 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P200T] 8 @ 0.31068697 = 2.4855 BTC [-]
smickles: ok, so my bot basically went long at 13.92, good move?
Bugpowder: smickles was that your bot selling 1 C150T for under exercise?
gribble: There are currently 8261.7695 bitcoins offered at or under 16.98 USD, worth 134515.212674 USD in total.
gribble: There are currently 23799.02 bitcoins offered at or under 19.98 USD, worth 417539.998424 USD in total.
smickles: in the beginning when I was testing the selling part, i had it just selling into mpoebot
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 15.73125, Best ask: 15.73999, Bid-ask spread: 0.00874, Last trade: 15.73999, 24 hour volume: 67109.92386210, 24 hour low: 14.63000, 24 hour high: 15.98500, 24 hour vwap: 15.30923
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P200T] 180 @ 0.31068697 = 55.9237 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P200T] 40 @ 0.31068697 = 12.4275 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P200T] 2 @ 0.31068697 = 0.6214 BTC [-]
smickles: but the pattern of the amounts
smickles: it's like it doesn't expect to sell all of them
mircea_popescu: looks more like it mkopts more out of the proceeds for the sale
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P180T] 1000 @ 0.25592664 = 255.9266 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P170T] 1000 @ 0.19327969 = 193.2797 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P160T] 1000 @ 0.13797862 = 137.9786 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11600 @ 0.00066953 = 7.7665 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25501 @ 0.00066953 = 17.0737 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2165 @ 0.00065988 = 1.4286 BTC [-]
smickles: shouldn't getting margin be more cost effective?
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 23 @ 0.3299 = 7.5877 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 2 @ 0.33 = 0.66 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: anyway, this was enough excitement for one day. stay out of trouble all!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 911 @ 0.00067348 = 0.6135 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1529 @ 0.00067498 = 1.032 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19860 @ 0.00067874 = 13.4798 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 15.61873, Best ask: 15.62000, Bid-ask spread: 0.00127, Last trade: 15.62000, 24 hour volume: 71327.19256529, 24 hour low: 14.75000, 24 hour high: 15.98500, 24 hour vwap: 15.40766
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18800 @ 0.00067874 = 12.7603 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5445 @ 0.00067874 = 3.6957 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.00067999 = 4.0799 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8805 @ 0.00067999 = 5.9873 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8528 @ 0.00067999 = 5.799 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53922 @ 0.00068 = 36.667 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 20 @ 0.33 = 6.6 BTC [+]
assbot: It's so strange that you don't remember any of your poetry.
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00562305 / 0.00581963 / 0.00598999 (25440 shares, 148.05 BTC), 7D: 0.00449034 / 0.00473285 / 0.00598999 (2353905 shares, 11,140.70 BTC), 30D: 0.0014 / 0.00372888 / 0.00598999 (11724917 shares, 43,720.82 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13548 @ 0.00067978 = 9.2097 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: connection graph of coin spends in the chain?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58723 @ 0.00068 = 39.9316 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12975 @ 0.00068 = 8.823 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 100 @ 0.00588706 = 0.5887 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1333 @ 0.00588707 = 7.8475 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4252 @ 0.00067978 = 2.8904 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1548 @ 0.00067149 = 1.0395 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2556 @ 0.00067149 = 1.7163 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10344 @ 0.00066997 = 6.9302 BTC [-]
markedathome: number of times bfl has slipped their shipping date
markedathome: user to btcfpga bitcoin payments and reversals?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.00582625 = 2.9131 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 700 @ 0.00580536 = 4.0638 BTC [-]
markedathome: one of the glbse stocks dividends? the gap being the october-late dec?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2000 @ 0.00569484 = 11.3897 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25177 @ 0.00067607 = 17.0214 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23523 @ 0.00068 = 15.9956 BTC [+]
gribble: Time since last block: 12 minutes and 13 seconds
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9050 @ 0.00067375 = 6.0974 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20800 @ 0.00067354 = 14.0096 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2450 @ 0.00066997 = 1.6414 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5550 @ 0.00067579 = 3.7506 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19906 @ 0.00066997 = 13.3364 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8867 @ 0.00066909 = 5.9328 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3451 @ 0.00066909 = 2.309 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10982 @ 0.00066909 = 7.3479 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3718 @ 0.00066312 = 2.4655 BTC [-]
jago25_98: Where can I get an intro to how bitcoin assets work... feel a bit skeptical
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5882 @ 0.00066312 = 3.9005 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6768 @ 0.00066081 = 4.4724 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 75 @ 0.0063 = 0.4725 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3650 @ 0.00067579 = 2.4666 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3650 @ 0.00067777 = 2.4739 BTC [+]
Ukto: how it works? weusecoins.org? :P
Ukto: you seen that video ?
Ukto: not the most detailed granted
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1300 @ 0.00573103 = 7.4503 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19850 @ 0.00067777 = 13.4537 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2500 @ 0.00067874 = 1.6969 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 350 @ 0.00068 = 0.238 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00067999 = 0.68 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16859 @ 0.00068 = 11.4641 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00067999 = 0.68 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11041 @ 0.00068 = 7.5079 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2500 @ 0.00067163 = 1.6791 BTC [-]
Schadenfreude: I like how the speculation moved to S.MPOE after the price jumped on S.DICE
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3213 @ 0.00066815 = 2.1468 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19700 @ 0.00067163 = 13.2311 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11972 @ 0.00068 = 8.141 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.0006592 / 0.00067222 / 0.00068 (1713736 shares, 1,152.02 BTC), 7D: 0.00062772 / 0.00066182 / 0.00068 (7984446 shares, 5,284.29 BTC), 30D: 0.000612 / 0.0006408 / 0.00068 (40520553 shares, 25,965.93 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00562305 / 0.00580999 / 0.00598999 (30973 shares, 179.95 BTC), 7D: 0.00449034 / 0.00473568 / 0.00598999 (2338118 shares, 11,072.60 BTC), 30D: 0.0014 / 0.00372991 / 0.00598999 (11730850 shares, 43,755.07 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1400 @ 0.00569484 = 7.9728 BTC [-]
jago25_98: I know bitcoin very well, but not sure how the various assets are enforced
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 15.61700, Best ask: 15.62000, Bid-ask spread: 0.00300, Last trade: 15.59001, 24 hour volume: 77117.60812390, 24 hour low: 14.84978, 24 hour high: 15.98500, 24 hour vwap: 15.46155
jago25_98: mircea_popescu: I guess the question is... if I buy stock... how do I know it's not a scam. Perhaps I need to read how the normal stock market works first
mircea_popescu: so basically we went up a whole dollar because somebody wanted 20k of bitcoins to keep on top of the ~50k being dicked around back and forth every given day
mircea_popescu: mpex has signed contracts, the first step is to read those. then you evaluate the owner, the business, investing is a process
jago25_98: I need some sort of begineers guide
mircea_popescu: but ultimately you never know with certainty it won't ever blow up
mircea_popescu: hence the word firm. it comes from medieval italian for signature (firma)
jago25_98: So main difference to a major stock exchange is that the price is denominated in BTC. There's nothing new
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 500 @ 0.00067999 = 0.34 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24296 @ 0.00068 = 16.5213 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 3 @ 0.33 = 0.99 BTC [+]
jurov: like what? satoshi came out, intends to fund space colonization?
mircea_popescu: how would that be new ? it still would be... his signature.
thestringpuller: i would say mpex stocks are as reputable as traditional stocks due to the amount of trust that goes into it
thestringpuller: with each new scam mpex's trust (as well as the others) goes up
azx: lol, how did you come up with that?
azx: thestringpuller: how did you come up with that? -> "i would say mpex stocks are as reputable as traditional stocks due to the amount of trust that goes into it "
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23440 @ 0.00068 = 15.9392 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: MPEX stocks are just a speculative risk / reward play. Risks are much higher than an SP500 stock, rewards are much higher too, so far at least.
azx: "thestringpuller | with each new scam mpex's trust (as well as the others) goes up "
mircea_popescu: "Update: rumors of bASIC’s demise have been, at least for now, grossly exaggerated." gotta love the bitcoin rag, such reliable reporting.
pigeons: I am sorry I let you down I really am and I hope the Asians took good care of you.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, i am really flabbergasted at everyone's use of qfn for asic chips.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21200 @ 0.00068 = 14.416 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: what the fuck was going on in their heads ? qfn is for chips that never do any work like ever.
pigeons: yeah but doesn't unicorn blood only work with qfn
mircea_popescu: "Not surprisingly I have a lot of new refund mail - please understand that it takes a lot of time to work through them - no response doesn't mean I'm ignoring you. I'm also not going to work a whole lot today, as I have some life things to attend to."
mircea_popescu: "Hi everybody - I just wanted you to know that I'm getting your mails - but I can't personally respond to all of them in good time, so I'm posting here. I've had a major personal upset that has tied me up for two days, so I haven't done the refunds as quickly as you'd like."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 900 @ 0.00068 = 0.612 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20100 @ 0.00067278 = 13.5229 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13600 @ 0.00068 = 9.248 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 300 @ 0.00569484 = 1.7085 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00568477 = 5.6848 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2850 @ 0.00567915 = 16.1856 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23550 @ 0.00067448 = 15.884 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29550 @ 0.00067448 = 19.9309 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29150 @ 0.00067278 = 19.6115 BTC [-]
gribble: You are identified as user thestringpuller, with GPG key id 0FF2943DA179E169, key fingerprint 6ACE36E786F39A4ADC4506DE0FF2943DA179E169, and bitcoin address None
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14345 @ 0.00067278 = 9.651 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3241 @ 0.00066815 = 2.1655 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: azx: as I said with each scam makes reputable people look more reputable...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12319 @ 0.00067802 = 8.3525 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5584 @ 0.00067802 = 3.7861 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2247 @ 0.00067802 = 1.5235 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10853 @ 0.0006792 = 7.3714 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5246 @ 0.00066815 = 3.5051 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1604 @ 0.00066814 = 1.0717 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17646 @ 0.00066814 = 11.79 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4511 @ 0.00066791 = 3.0129 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2393 @ 0.00066697 = 1.5961 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.00067652 = 2.3002 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16400 @ 0.00067652 = 11.0949 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 500 @ 0.00129998 = 0.65 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.0053624 = 2.6812 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3700 @ 0.00067652 = 2.5031 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4900 @ 0.00066697 = 3.2682 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2047 @ 0.0006792 = 1.3903 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10253 @ 0.00068 = 6.972 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.0053624 = 2.6812 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12757 @ 0.00066697 = 8.5085 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 343 @ 0.00066696 = 0.2288 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 15.61550, Best ask: 15.69299, Bid-ask spread: 0.07749, Last trade: 15.69399, 24 hour volume: 74631.17637130, 24 hour low: 14.86861, 24 hour high: 15.98500, 24 hour vwap: 15.51891
Korbman: damn, that's impressive...I wonder how long it'll hold
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 1 @ 0.7699 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 1 @ 0.77 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 200 @ 0.0053624 = 1.0725 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 2 @ 0.78 = 1.56 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15742 @ 0.00067543 = 10.6326 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 1 @ 0.8 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 2 @ 0.8899 = 1.7798 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 50 @ 0.8899 = 44.495 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 51 @ 0.8995 = 45.8745 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 4 @ 0.9 = 3.6 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.0052 = 2.6 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2350 @ 0.00519852 = 12.2165 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.00515816 = 2.5791 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8500 @ 0.00067269 = 5.7179 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17100 @ 0.00067052 = 11.4659 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1900 @ 0.00066696 = 1.2672 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2000 @ 0.00067269 = 1.3454 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00067543 = 6.349 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16523 @ 0.00068 = 11.2356 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 200 @ 0.0053624 = 1.0725 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1500 @ 0.0053624 = 8.0436 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13492 @ 0.00068 = 9.1746 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1100 @ 0.00067839 = 0.7462 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30700 @ 0.00067035 = 20.5797 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17100 @ 0.00066696 = 11.405 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 15.70001, Best ask: 15.74999, Bid-ask spread: 0.04998, Last trade: 15.70001, 24 hour volume: 69292.11059501, 24 hour low: 15.20000, 24 hour high: 15.98500, 24 hour vwap: 15.58173
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 400 @ 0.0053624 = 2.145 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11350 @ 0.00068 = 7.718 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 98 @ 0.0053624 = 0.5255 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.575 = 2.875 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.33 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 15.70002, Best ask: 15.78999, Bid-ask spread: 0.08997, Last trade: 15.70002, 24 hour volume: 68639.23158158, 24 hour low: 15.20000, 24 hour high: 15.98500, 24 hour vwap: 15.59218
jurov: thestringpuller, you should have withdrawn everything to the last satoshi... then the account is considered inactive
jurov: now either i'll add complications to accomodate you, or it will automatically subtract monthly fee till all the crumbs are wiped
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 15.75001, Best ask: 15.80000, Bid-ask spread: 0.04999, Last trade: 15.75001, 24 hour volume: 67569.84455962, 24 hour low: 15.20000, 24 hour high: 15.98500, 24 hour vwap: 15.59871
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 200 @ 0.00545797 = 1.0916 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 735 @ 0.00545796 = 4.0116 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3167 @ 0.00067507 = 2.1379 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16100 @ 0.00067137 = 10.8091 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2400 @ 0.00067112 = 1.6107 BTC [-]
jurov: ;;tell assbot !ticker
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19578 @ 0.00067112 = 13.1392 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1807 @ 0.00066696 = 1.2052 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11115 @ 0.00066495 = 7.3909 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9933 @ 0.00067168 = 6.6718 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2606 @ 0.00068 = 1.7721 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 15.76001, Best ask: 15.79989, Bid-ask spread: 0.03988, Last trade: 15.71616, 24 hour volume: 64511.61661050, 24 hour low: 15.20000, 24 hour high: 15.98500, 24 hour vwap: 15.61656
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3285 @ 0.00066495 = 2.1844 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7407 @ 0.0006633 = 4.9131 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14150 @ 0.0006633 = 9.3857 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 756 @ 0.0006633 = 0.5015 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00066159 = 6.6159 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4244 @ 0.00066158 = 2.8077 BTC [-]
jcpham: first miner on the moon
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 15.66113, Best ask: 15.70998, Bid-ask spread: 0.04885, Last trade: 15.70998, 24 hour volume: 62158.54979153, 24 hour low: 15.20000, 24 hour high: 15.98500, 24 hour vwap: 15.62612
markedathome: suprised no one has put a single up on a helium balloon and sent it NEO.
smickles: jcpham: that sounds awesome, and doable. send the data, via laser to those mirrors, up there and back
smickles: i mean, it would count if you used a custom miner to send the getwork to the moon and back to your compy, right?
smickles: a good thing to sacrifice to be the first moon miner :D
markedathome: I'll have to ask Wallace about that. He might have some ideas on crackers and Wensleydale. Or a nice bit of cheddar.
jcpham: seriously....if we mine all the cheese from the moon, then what
jurov: lol actually 2 days ago local newspaper did send balloon to stratosphere... with cheese dumplings sample attached
mircea_popescu: feel free to bother the start-up/entrepreneurial crowd with that one :D
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8930 @ 0.00067837 = 6.0578 BTC [+]
jurov: better stress tolerance? actually need less to be happy? citation needed
jcpham: i hate businesses also.
jurov: and employment is slavery, too.
mircea_popescu: the best way is being rich through inheritance i tell you.
Namworld: Well... free money is always nice.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3983 @ 0.00067797 = 2.7004 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6019 @ 0.00066267 = 3.9886 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4241 @ 0.00066267 = 2.8104 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8456 @ 0.00066158 = 5.5943 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8403 @ 0.00066151 = 5.5587 BTC [-]
Namworld: It would be my opinion that any large sum inherited should not be touched but invested. And at maximum, only take earnings above inflation rate for personal use.
jurov: Namworld, similarly like "inherited" mpex listed business, no?
Ukto: jcpham: I have 4 babys
Namworld: That's not really inherited...
Ukto: technically 5 babys
Namworld: Inherited would imply it's all mine.
Ukto: hate inheritence tax
Namworld: Can the gov finally make it's system fully digital? Valid for almost any government in the world.
Namworld: The system is ineficient and always rely on paper... It's expensive and time consuming to maintain...
Ukto: alsomst used the 1st...
Ukto: but thought better of it
mircea_popescu: "o ease the point into a "low information voter" sort of mental context, think of it in terms of television"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 800 @ 0.00553918 = 4.4313 BTC [+]
jcpham: i've basically overtaken anyone that might provide me with some nest egg or inheritance
jcpham: probably in the last 5 years or so
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 29 @ 0.549 = 15.921 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.545 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.545 = 5.45 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2300 @ 0.00067201 = 1.5456 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3500 @ 0.00066441 = 2.3254 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6647 @ 0.00066325 = 4.4086 BTC [-]
afk_afk001: hopefully, he is never going to contaminate the gene pool :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4900 @ 0.00067201 = 3.2928 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1070 @ 0.00067837 = 0.7259 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2630 @ 0.00067838 = 1.7841 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: i guess im the only person that's not really worried about that ?
Namworld: Although I would say more bitcoins is better.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11753 @ 0.00066325 = 7.7952 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15297 @ 0.00066151 = 10.1191 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14446 @ 0.00066151 = 9.5562 BTC [-]
jurov: you crashed bitcointalk again
jurov: theymos should raise money for phat pipe and moar serverz...and then vanish :P
mircea_popescu: lol doens't have like 5k or something already collected ?
jurov: just loaded...I calculate again and again and still I have not enaugh bitcoins...orly?
jurov: mircea, this is what worries you? "If Bitcoin grows too quickly - too many great minds might be idling around on beaches and frolicking with hookers n blow instead of building great things"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3081 @ 0.00066151 = 2.0381 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9182 @ 0.00066081 = 6.0676 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6921 @ 0.00066078 = 4.5733 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6601 @ 0.0006595 = 4.3534 BTC [-]
jurov: btw, on the topic on "over average minds" today's dilbert is spot on
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6906 @ 0.00067268 = 4.6455 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 7 @ 0.579 = 4.053 BTC [+]
Namworld: top 110%... is that 10% out of the range of the normal population? Aka in the -10%?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13935 @ 0.00067268 = 9.3738 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.579 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13965 @ 0.00067332 = 9.4029 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 185 @ 0.0006655 = 0.1231 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1850 @ 0.0055361 = 10.2418 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.579 = 5.79 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1023 @ 0.0055361 = 5.6634 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1288 @ 0.0055824 = 7.1901 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 965 @ 0.00562288 = 5.4261 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00067415 = 2.913 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5800 @ 0.00067426 = 3.9107 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12379 @ 0.00067838 = 8.3977 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00066563 = 2.8762 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5379 @ 0.0006655 = 3.5797 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00067814 = 2.9302 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3241 @ 0.00067838 = 2.1986 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20493 @ 0.00068 = 13.9352 BTC [+]
jurov: obviously, money = filth.
gribble: Error: "tickee" is not a valid command.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 15.74001, Best ask: 15.75000, Bid-ask spread: 0.00999, Last trade: 15.74001, 24 hour volume: 58044.24259200, 24 hour low: 15.41000, 24 hour high: 15.98500, 24 hour vwap: 15.67347
gribble: smickles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 35 minutes and 32 seconds ago: <smickles> topace?
mod6: hey whats up thestringpuller
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00066575 = 2.8767 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00066561 = 2.8761 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13486 @ 0.0006655 = 8.9749 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 722 @ 0.0006643 = 0.4796 BTC [-]
jurov: yup barebackbot is on it again :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00066446 = 2.8711 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19979 @ 0.0006643 = 13.272 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19000 @ 0.000665 = 12.635 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2850 @ 0.0006643 = 1.8933 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16799 @ 0.0006643 = 11.1596 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.00065996 = 5.4117 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12499 @ 0.0006595 = 8.2431 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7257 @ 0.00065898 = 4.7822 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7369 @ 0.00065898 = 4.856 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1219 @ 0.0006589 = 0.8032 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.525 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.481 = 4.81 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.4249 BTC [+]
jurov: and protective eyewear/gloves, ofc
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3900 @ 0.00067671 = 2.6392 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: what happend to bitmit or that ebay like bitcoin site
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12421 @ 0.00066857 = 8.3043 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14879 @ 0.0006589 = 9.8038 BTC [-]
jurov: just another drama material
jurov: original owner silently sold it, it was discovered only cause new owner doesn't speak german
jurov: and in meantime there were some offers to sell bitmit that were later retracted (decoys, perhaps?)
mircea_popescu: jurov a i recall that, they put it up for sale cause "legal concerns" on the site itself
mircea_popescu: then it mysteriouslydidn't make the unspecified reserve
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 421 @ 0.00067671 = 0.2849 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14579 @ 0.00067703 = 9.8704 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00067462 = 2.915 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8400 @ 0.0006745 = 5.6658 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11250 @ 0.0006745 = 7.5881 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9621 @ 0.00066399 = 6.3882 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3650 @ 0.00067436 = 2.4614 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00066399 = 6.6399 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 671 @ 0.00067436 = 0.4525 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7479 @ 0.00067459 = 5.0453 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1950 @ 0.00547355 = 10.6734 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00066418 = 2.8699 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7579 @ 0.00066399 = 5.0324 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5100 @ 0.00066336 = 3.3831 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00067437 = 2.914 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10450 @ 0.00067459 = 7.0495 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3934 @ 0.00067703 = 2.6634 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2995 @ 0.00067838 = 2.0317 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 953 @ 0.00545796 = 5.2014 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1700 @ 0.00540345 = 9.1859 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 200 @ 0.00528914 = 1.0578 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3749 @ 0.00528913 = 19.8289 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 398 @ 0.00521638 = 2.0761 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 102 @ 0.00521638 = 0.5321 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1476 @ 0.00521636 = 7.6993 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 422 @ 0.00515816 = 2.1767 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: >>people were crossing out the "V" on the wristband so that it read "LIE STRONG"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00067808 = 2.93 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2279 @ 0.00067838 = 1.546 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00067824 = 2.9307 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6979 @ 0.00067838 = 4.7344 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3047 @ 0.00067838 = 2.067 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11903 @ 0.00067999 = 8.0939 BTC [+]
Namworld: Is there anything MPOE-PR doesn't or cannot chew on?
Namworld: Well at least they could afford to do a proffesional design like SatoshiDice... but what about the coding?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2100 @ 0.00546512 = 11.4768 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 223 @ 0.00547355 = 1.2206 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: but what im worried about is some guy with 7 posts
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16097 @ 0.00067999 = 10.9458 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16203 @ 0.00068 = 11.018 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla how many bet sites since the bitbet ipo ? 11 ?
mircea_popescu: Namworld people need to start coming to terms with the fact that coding doesn't matter.
mircea_popescu: it's like a "new car company" came to the car show on the strength of "there exists gasoline"
mircea_popescu: sure there's gasoline. it's a commodity. widely available, not too expensive.
kakobrekla: well, having your site not fall to pieces is a good first step ya know
mircea_popescu: "hi, i'd like to marry your daughter" "what can you tell me about yourself ?" "i have a penis"
kakobrekla: "hi, i'd like to marry your daughter" "what can you tell me about yourself ?" "im missing an arm, both legs and half of my head"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3100 @ 0.00547355 = 16.968 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: o, it's not even a bet site, it's a dice site. nice going lol.
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.4249 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.425 BTC [+]
Namworld: mircea: all betting games are a consented self-scamming.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1200 @ 0.00535586 = 6.427 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: sorta like marriage. you know it doesn't end well statistically and do it anyway.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21657 @ 0.00068 = 14.7268 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: too bad bitbet only allows for 1 year bets
thestringpuller: sorta like marriage. you know it doesn't end well statistically and do it anyway. << what about when it does?
smickles: it's only statistically b/c we don't yet know the fundamental nature of reality
smickles: i just love how, if you get into fine enough detail, particles, waves, atoms, none of those are practical models of reality
Bugpowder_: in the science fiction hall of fame Volume I
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16443 @ 0.00067848 = 11.1562 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: I purchased bad in a very large amount and would be very generous with any recovery.
mircea_popescu: they know better than anyone, all the way to the wall.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12076 @ 0.00067848 = 8.1933 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3024 @ 0.00067423 = 2.0389 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.55 = 1.1 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 15 @ 0.565 = 8.475 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26650 @ 0.00068 = 18.122 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00068 = 4.624 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00067453 = 2.9146 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4730 @ 0.00067423 = 3.1891 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00067977 = 2.9373 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 629 @ 0.00068 = 0.4277 BTC [+]
mod6: gotta love the melvins
mircea_popescu: "We took multiple 20k+ refunds left and right without batting and eye lash because we believe in this project and we know we will be releasing our bASIC Bitcoin mining units sooner than everyone else, especially our good friends BFL."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12100 @ 0.00068 = 8.228 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: [02:15:36] <EskimoBob> Diablo-D3: any good news regarding DMC?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.0006775 = 2.9275 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 279 @ 0.00067725 = 0.189 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.0006775 = 2.9275 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1479 @ 0.00067725 = 1.0017 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 15.39001, Best ask: 15.46999, Bid-ask spread: 0.07998, Last trade: 15.39001, 24 hour volume: 60508.16264848, 24 hour low: 15.25000, 24 hour high: 15.94390, 24 hour vwap: 15.58379
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23494 @ 0.00067756 = 15.9186 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4328 @ 0.00067926 = 2.9398 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 250 @ 0.00129998 = 0.325 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13741 @ 0.00067725 = 9.3061 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2759 @ 0.00067423 = 1.8602 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 1 @ 0.88 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4137 @ 0.00067423 = 2.7893 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3300 @ 0.00067074 = 2.2134 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34500 @ 0.00066658 = 22.997 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19692 @ 0.00066529 = 13.1009 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26200 @ 0.00066385 = 17.3929 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15471 @ 0.00066362 = 10.2669 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00066372 = 2.8679 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6637 @ 0.00066362 = 4.4044 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2250 @ 0.00066336 = 1.4926 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9396 @ 0.00066319 = 6.2313 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11977 @ 0.00066319 = 7.943 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10700 @ 0.000661 = 7.0727 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GOLD] 1 @ 1.1227 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 908 @ 0.00535392 = 4.8614 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 361 @ 0.00515816 = 1.8621 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1300 @ 0.00514107 = 6.6834 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00491501 = 4.915 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 5000 @ 0.004915 = 24.575 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 10000 @ 0.00491 = 49.1 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.0049 = 4.9 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 440 @ 0.00478099 = 2.1036 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 600 @ 0.00474002 = 2.844 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.00473693 = 2.3685 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1100 @ 0.00454709 = 5.0018 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 4000 @ 0.00454708 = 18.1883 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00066073 = 6.7394 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21700 @ 0.00065983 = 14.3183 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1626 @ 0.0006589 = 1.0714 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3856 @ 0.00066073 = 2.5478 BTC [+]
Jewish_James: can someone explain to me how the winnings are calculated at bitbet?
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C060T] 500 @ 0.61599036 = 307.9952 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C100T] 615 @ 0.35798393 = 220.1601 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C110T] 1000 @ 0.29348232 = 293.4823 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C120T] 1000 @ 0.22898071 = 228.9807 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: Jewish_James the side that prevails splits up the bets of the side that lost.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15144 @ 0.00066363 = 10.05 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24700 @ 0.00065817 = 16.2568 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21982 @ 0.00065758 = 14.4549 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13396 @ 0.00065697 = 8.8008 BTC [-]
Jewish_James: most of the propositions are very one-sided, so say you pick the favored choice , does everyone have to make equal sized bets, or could someone bet a huge amount and greatly reduce the winnings for everyone else if that side wins
Jewish_James: I guess a better question is how are your winnings calculated?
Namworld: The earnings are proportional to bet amount multiplied by "weight". Usually the more time passes, the less weight bets have.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13650 @ 0.00067036 = 9.1504 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.52 = 1.04 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.51 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.5 = 5 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 10 @ 0.41 = 4.1 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6350 @ 0.00067036 = 4.2568 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.0048 = 4.8 BTC [+]
Jewish_James: so im assuming the weight number a percentage? I'm trying to figure out the payout formula including the 1% fee and preventing the house from gambling its own money which i assume it doesn't do
Jewish_James: no, just doing other things and i havent got the payouts calculated correctly
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8900 @ 0.00067036 = 5.9662 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9552 @ 0.000657 = 6.2757 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.000657 = 6.4386 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: if you bet very late and the odds are very low you can end up paying a little like that.
mircea_popescu: if you put the 100th btc in late enough you might not actually win enough of the 1btc to make up for the 1% you'll be charged
FabianB: ic, its 1% of the bet size
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9148 @ 0.000657 = 6.0102 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4719 @ 0.00065697 = 3.1002 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.000671 = 2.8994 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9900 @ 0.00067109 = 6.6438 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7879 @ 0.00067432 = 5.313 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.51 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.00065715 = 2.8257 BTC [-]
pigeons: people who use ruby never had computers with no disk space
pigeons: well they really do think its a neat idea, and you won't be able to convince them otherwise until they turn 13 at least
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.0006576 = 4.4717 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23500 @ 0.00066014 = 15.5133 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14000 @ 0.00066014 = 9.242 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21 @ 0.00065715 = 0.0138 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2000 @ 0.000657 = 1.314 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2356 @ 0.00065697 = 1.5478 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16916 @ 0.00065603 = 11.0974 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 577 @ 0.00494481 = 2.8532 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5750 @ 0.00065603 = 3.7722 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00065994 = 2.8516 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5829 @ 0.00066014 = 3.848 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00065607 = 2.8349 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4979 @ 0.00065603 = 3.2664 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5550 @ 0.00065589 = 3.6402 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00065864 = 2.846 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7129 @ 0.00065867 = 4.6957 BTC [+]
pigeons: kinda busy, get back as soon as i can
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00065595 = 2.8344 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15350 @ 0.00065591 = 10.0682 BTC [-]
pigeons: my computer is 2/3 between debian unstable to experimental downgrade to unstable. the version of libc i last installed bitcoin against is no longer on my machine
pigeons: does it verify for you mircea_popescu ?
pigeons: im verifying this out in the public, openly
pigeons: blockchain.info probably implements signing different than the reference client, i know armory does also
pigeons: lets see how far i get without a login
pigeons: password: rogersmommaisahoyo
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12550 @ 0.00065589 = 8.2314 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1714 @ 0.00065514 = 1.1229 BTC [-]
pigeons: ooh now this is a smooth platform mircea_popescu
pigeons: integrated "satoshidice" button under "games" right in the wallet
pigeons: ok receive money -> other actions -> verify message
pigeons: message has the wrong length, need a <cr> or something somewhere
pigeons: Error Verifying MessageSignature has the wrong length
pigeons: ah i see HBNlxhUDnEKbMl1p082ergE+ekRZINRmr12/DpZQy0sODhxGTE40HukSnPL+mQDDy8yg+bjQblA+NsJe
pigeons: but when you view the source of the double cherry reticulated lorry award for shitty html you get
pigeons: HBNlxhUDnEKbMl1p082ergE+ekRZINRmr12/DpZQy0sODhxGTE40HukSnPL+mQDDy8yg+bjQblA+NsJeI3XyoEs=
pigeons: Message Successfully Verified
pigeons: yeah of course the site works with whatever browser you use
pigeons: let me review that original transaction confirm we are talking about the correct address in question
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 2 @ 0.01 = 0.02 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [MININGCO.ETF] 2 @ 0.5 = 1 BTC
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.33 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8600 @ 0.00065514 = 5.6342 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: March may seem a long time away as we all have ASIC blue balls right now, but its really not that far away, and I salute and congratulate all of you who have had the testicular fortitude to stick it out with us because you my friends will receive the ultimate reward. Sure Avalon may get some units out before the Chinese new year but that is sure to be a very limited number. On the other hand our assembly house has an u
mircea_popescu: nlimited assembly capacity and as soon as the Chinese new year ends we will have 16,000 freshly fabbed and packaged ASIC chips and we will be assembling those PCB's at FULL CAPACITY !We will be shipping ALL CURRENT ORDERS IN THE MONTH OF MARCH AND WE STILL HAVE ROOM FOR MORE ORDERS SO Get IN WHILE YOU STILL CAN! I stake my personal name and word on that.
Ukto: thats the same guy that did icarus and lancelot?
pigeons: no nzhang is with avalon i thought, and this says "sure avalon may getsome out before us"
pigeons: sounds braggadacious enough to be inabfl
pigeons: WE STILL HAVE ROOM FOR MORE ORDERS SO Get IN WHILE YOU STILL CAN! I stake my personal name and word on that.
pigeons: well mircea_popescu, what's the correct answer?
Ukto: Possibly questionable
Ukto: he claims to have history
pigeons: that's like worse than "bankroll my poker game"
Ukto: of doing things for btc for ppl for a year
Ukto: But I havent heard of it
pigeons: cause at least in poker you control more variables
pigeons: WE STILL HAVE ROOM FOR MORE ORDERS SO Get IN WHILE YOU STILL CAN! I stake my personal name and word on that.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12686 @ 0.00065514 = 8.3111 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8100 @ 0.00065483 = 5.3041 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00065421 = 6.5421 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26500 @ 0.0006542 = 17.3363 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8514 @ 0.00065414 = 5.5693 BTC [-]
Ukto: i sent him a msg that he needs to be alot more explicit
Ukto: i think thats why he ahsnt made forum posting
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 70 @ 0.1435 = 10.045 BTC [-]
Ukto: i think bfl started a "war" with their asic announce
Ukto: then the others swalled and followed suite
Ukto: and reality is none of them are actually ready
Ukto: or were anwhere near when they announced
Ukto: and inserted foot in mouth
Ukto: the closest we have see for sure, is asicminers chips
Ukto: at least that seems realistic, but as of this point I am not questioning friedcat
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4060 @ 0.00065591 = 2.663 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24790 @ 0.00065624 = 16.2682 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19386 @ 0.00065414 = 12.6812 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4164 @ 0.0006539 = 2.7228 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1873 @ 0.0006539 = 1.2248 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23500 @ 0.00065308 = 15.3474 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 327 @ 0.00065279 = 0.2135 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2500 @ 0.0049475 = 12.3688 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5841 @ 0.00065279 = 3.8129 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7800 @ 0.00065193 = 5.0851 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6709 @ 0.00065104 = 4.3678 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23200 @ 0.00065624 = 15.2248 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7600 @ 0.00065624 = 4.9874 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25 @ 0.00065624 = 0.0164 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 94 @ 0.0067 = 0.6298 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 499 @ 0.0072 = 3.5928 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 180 @ 0.0075 = 1.35 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 15.30001, Best ask: 15.34759, Bid-ask spread: 0.04758, Last trade: 15.30001, 24 hour volume: 47116.38437355, 24 hour low: 15.25000, 24 hour high: 15.84304, 24 hour vwap: 15.54929
Ukto: i only 'saw' them in the pics
Ukto: as i said, from what can be seen
pigeons: so one else even has that though
Bugpowder: ;;gpg everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:d0815ec0bd1b03121c4b135e2613d39aa80cd5ff766dffe906dc1b8b
gribble: Error: In order to authenticate, you must be present in one of the following channels: #bitcoin-otc;#bitcoin-otc-foyer;#bitcoin-otc-ru;#bitcoin-otc-eu;#bitcoin-otc-uk;#bitcoin-otc-bans
mircea_popescu: then again asicminer has the advantage that it could be run as a ponzi for quite a while.
mircea_popescu: they've discreetely skipped the "samples to community" part, the "we have the chips, they're hashing, just a few" story can be strung till july.
mircea_popescu: but in all fairness, there's no actual proof this has anything akin to the color of truth. fact is we don't know.
Bugpowder: This guy just blew his wad on S.DICE
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.00065624 = 2.8218 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: its weird, S.DICE sells off a bit AFTER the whales show up?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18100 @ 0.00065174 = 11.7965 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 991 @ 0.00065104 = 0.6452 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00065103 = 6.5103 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6009 @ 0.00065102 = 3.912 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19535 @ 0.00065624 = 12.8196 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1965 @ 0.00065704 = 1.2911 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 89 @ 0.00525532 = 0.4677 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 15.33000, Best ask: 15.34760, Bid-ask spread: 0.01760, Last trade: 15.34760, 24 hour volume: 47649.20971090, 24 hour low: 15.25000, 24 hour high: 15.84304, 24 hour vwap: 15.54152
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26091 @ 0.00065102 = 16.9858 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1069 @ 0.00065096 = 0.6959 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00065698 = 2.8388 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14135 @ 0.00065704 = 9.2873 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17298 @ 0.00065867 = 11.3937 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3636 @ 0.00065889 = 2.3957 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28521 @ 0.00066014 = 18.8279 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17971 @ 0.00066199 = 11.8966 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28374 @ 0.00066244 = 18.7961 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23950 @ 0.00066291 = 15.8767 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23283 @ 0.00066334 = 15.4445 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17100 @ 0.00066418 = 11.3575 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7183 @ 0.00066443 = 4.7726 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 665 @ 0.00067432 = 0.4484 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3063 @ 0.00067482 = 2.067 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4562 @ 0.00067482 = 3.0785 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9738 @ 0.00067483 = 6.5715 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22775 @ 0.00067483 = 15.3693 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 1 @ 0.8959 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 2 @ 0.33 = 0.66 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 320 @ 0.0075 = 2.4 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00065343 = 2.8235 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10711 @ 0.00065334 = 6.9979 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 65 @ 0.0076 = 0.494 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 7 @ 0.0076 = 0.0532 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 18 @ 0.33 = 5.94 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 15 @ 0.338 = 5.07 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.00066963 = 4.6874 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2600 @ 0.00066963 = 1.741 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00066617 = 4.53 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00067465 = 2.9152 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8560 @ 0.00067483 = 5.7765 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00067388 = 2.9118 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6929 @ 0.00067363 = 4.6676 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 5 @ 0.0076 = 0.038 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23071 @ 0.00067363 = 15.5413 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2029 @ 0.00066617 = 1.3517 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 7 @ 0.339 = 2.373 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00067472 = 2.9155 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18379 @ 0.00067483 = 12.4027 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 2 @ 0.0095 = 0.019 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 15 @ 0.0096 = 0.144 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 1 @ 0.0096 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16500 @ 0.00064778 = 10.6884 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.01 BTC [+]
Namworld: I don't know, but I just got .01 btc... It does sound good.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 150 @ 0.00494 = 0.741 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 550 @ 0.00493999 = 2.717 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3184 @ 0.00507063 = 16.1449 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.00514651 = 2.5733 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1316 @ 0.00525531 = 6.916 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3008 @ 0.00525531 = 15.808 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 992 @ 0.00525532 = 5.2133 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 400 @ 0.00525532 = 2.1021 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 15.57000, Best ask: 15.61499, Bid-ask spread: 0.04499, Last trade: 15.57000, 24 hour volume: 20902.91243534, 24 hour low: 15.27001, 24 hour high: 15.61500, 24 hour vwap: 15.47657
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00454708 / 0.00500362 / 0.00535392 (55566 shares, 278.03 BTC), 7D: 0.00449034 / 0.00477018 / 0.00598999 (1986599 shares, 9,476.44 BTC), 30D: 0.0014 / 0.0037446 / 0.00598999 (11157599 shares, 41,780.77 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00064121 / 0.00065882 / 0.00068 (2098853 shares, 1,382.77 BTC), 7D: 0.00062772 / 0.0006624 / 0.00068 (11115137 shares, 7,362.68 BTC), 30D: 0.000612 / 0.00064431 / 0.00068 (40468984 shares, 26,074.72 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 240 @ 0.00525532 = 1.2613 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8395 @ 0.00064778 = 5.4381 BTC [-]
Namworld: Would be better with automated bets for all events
mircea_popescu: Chilca it's a general/personal blog but it has some dedicated bitcoin/mpex/rota categories.
Namworld: eh, I don't know, what purpose would it serve to the creator?
mircea_popescu: "Hey! Java still rules and will exist long after c# is gone..."
mircea_popescu: Namworld is it supposed to be useful or not useful, this thing you propose ?
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: the odds are based on the total pot for a bet right?
thestringpuller: it's as ingenius as the futures on the network difficulty...
thestringpuller: the simplest ideas are the most powerful when implemented correctly: "fundamentals are the key to winning the game, not showmanship"
thestringpuller: "you know you've done things right, when people think you haven't done anything at all"
Namworld: mircea: If done by bitbet for bitbet, it's supposed to help in that bets for sporting events are readily available.
Namworld: Plus they can probably be awarded without any further work if automated.
Namworld: Don't they have feeds for that?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00065465 = 2.8287 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7279 @ 0.00065485 = 4.7667 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: Namworld and if done by a third party, it allows them to make whatever money is t obe made in that market.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: then why not better organize the bets as bitbet grows...
mircea_popescu: there are categories atm, and a search. but in general... yea
thestringpuller: sports bets will likely account for a large part of bitbets bottom line
thestringpuller: since it circumvents the legality of sports gambling in many places
thestringpuller: for now but that's not replicable...wait until baseball season
thestringpuller: it's also going to be pretty awesome if BFL fails to deliver, such bad press...
mircea_popescu: even money so far on it. actually no, looky, yes prevails. lol.
thestringpuller: why has no one secured legitimate funding and business planning for ASIC development?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7247 @ 0.00065485 = 4.7457 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14900 @ 0.00065711 = 9.7909 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9051 @ 0.00065797 = 5.9553 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller probably because the scammers active have managed to suck up most of the capital available for that.
thestringpuller: yet VC's have sunk 4.5 million into various btc businesses...
mircea_popescu: everyone else had angel funding (mtgox, bitinstant etc)
thestringpuller: bitpay is on the list now (even though that was angel funding)
thestringpuller: i guess my question is why have Coinbase and others successfully acquired funding and formed what seems to be "profitable businesses" yet these hardware manufacturers make AAPL's first office (Job's adoptive mom's garage) look like a better option for hardware fabrication...
mircea_popescu: if it doesn't say it's either angel capital or pr (ie, fake)
mircea_popescu: inaba is some bfl spokesperson. tho he's never been oficially credentialed afaik (unlike mpoe-pr)
mircea_popescu: so basically, he's mostly just another forum loudmouth.
thestringpuller: "Before his arrest in New Zealand, he was the world's number one-ranked Modern Warfare 3 player out of more than 15 million online players."
mod6: people are pretty srs about their video games
mod6: have you ever seen these bro's play golden tee?
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: so...btc-zon [done] ; btc-betting [done] ; btc-lottery [done]
thestringpuller: mpoe-pr: " there's so much to do and so few people capable of doing it in Bitcoin that if your plan makes sense and you seem even remotely competent everyone else who is competent will breathe a sigh of relief."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00064782 = 2.7992 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3197 @ 0.00064778 = 2.071 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8482 @ 0.00064565 = 5.4764 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5136 @ 0.00064565 = 3.3161 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11029 @ 0.00064519 = 7.1158 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00501039 = 5.0104 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2900 @ 0.00501038 = 14.5301 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 990 @ 0.00493999 = 4.8906 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12171 @ 0.00064519 = 7.8526 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: leotreasure the "modern money theory" idiots are getting pretty despreate by now eh ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4900 @ 0.00064125 = 3.1421 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8650 @ 0.00064125 = 5.5468 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 250 @ 0.00063997 = 0.16 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1750 @ 0.0048811 = 8.5419 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17496 @ 0.0006418 = 11.2289 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1504 @ 0.00064029 = 0.963 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 8 @ 0.006 = 0.048 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 2 @ 0.006 = 0.012 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8300 @ 0.00064189 = 5.3277 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6132 @ 0.00064029 = 3.9263 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23950 @ 0.00063997 = 15.3273 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26950 @ 0.00063985 = 17.244 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1779 @ 0.00481977 = 8.5744 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 800 @ 0.00492685 = 3.9415 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 4346 @ 0.00525494 = 22.838 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3900 @ 0.00063899 = 2.4921 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8900 @ 0.00063886 = 5.6859 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23601 @ 0.00064189 = 15.1492 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5899 @ 0.00064189 = 3.7865 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5051 @ 0.00064342 = 3.2499 BTC [+]
Schadenfreude: I can tell from the pixels and from the 'pirate@40' on the guys hat
Schadenfreude: More important is, will your exchange host his IPO?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5716 @ 0.00063886 = 3.6517 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7864 @ 0.00063853 = 5.0214 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8600 @ 0.00063842 = 5.4904 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4870 @ 0.00063778 = 3.106 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14030 @ 0.00063778 = 8.9481 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7773 @ 0.00063757 = 4.9558 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00063738 = 6.9474 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10597 @ 0.00063733 = 6.7538 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11178 @ 0.00064342 = 7.1921 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5239 @ 0.00064688 = 3.389 BTC [+]
Jackmaninov: Anyone else having issue logging into Bitfunder? I keep getting "Google 2-Factor incorrect or not provided" despite putting in my code...
Ukto: servers are ntp synced properly
Jackmaninov: I was just able to log in; don't think I was having a time sync issue on my phone... Hmm
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2861 @ 0.00063733 = 1.8234 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21000 @ 0.00063731 = 13.3835 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20036 @ 0.00063594 = 12.7417 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6164 @ 0.00063594 = 3.9199 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5586 @ 0.00063543 = 3.5495 BTC [-]
jurov: hi, i fail to see a point?
jurov: it's a bit longer, but perfect otherwise.
jurov: clear context, opinion about "securities", contempt for idiots
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 700 @ 0.01 = 7 BTC [+]
Ukto: >,> *kicks a puppy to the side*
jurov: someone should list porn studio on btct. or boob enhancement
mircea_popescu: jurov actually there's a large contingent of people who are doing dubious porn
jurov: yea i know about girlsgonebitcoin... but they need to institutionalize
mircea_popescu: So paypal have now closed ALL of my accounts. Including ones that arent even associated with paheal in any way. This is very unfortunate as it effects every aspect of the running of the site. We recieve our advertising money via paypal and pay the server bills via paypal too.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9114 @ 0.00063543 = 5.7913 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2200 @ 0.00063413 = 1.3951 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12901 @ 0.00063288 = 8.1648 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5885 @ 0.00063222 = 3.7206 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 266 @ 0.00525494 = 1.3978 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1134 @ 0.00525495 = 5.9591 BTC [+]
markedathome: mircea_popescu: your site, or are you quoting?
markedathome: booo --- avalon-asics.com is now into -1 / -1 / -1 / -33...
gribble: Current Blocks: 217281 | Current Difficulty: 3249549.5844872 | Next Difficulty At Block: 217727 | Next Difficulty In: 446 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 9 hours, 46 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 2932431.99782366 | Estimated Percent Change: -9.75881667347
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20964 @ 0.00064293 = 13.4784 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1036 @ 0.00064688 = 0.6702 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: because that's exactly how you ship something like that.
markedathome: now we need tracking number to jgarzik so that we can see a countdown to delivery, then a countdown to unboxing vid, countdown to powerup and mining vid, then countdown to teardown and post of BOM
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9425 @ 0.00064688 = 6.0968 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5825 @ 0.00064749 = 3.7716 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1400 @ 0.00518191 = 7.2547 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2100 @ 0.00518191 = 10.882 BTC [-]
jurov: thestringpuller, you should also properly banish him in the end of seance
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14362 @ 0.00064489 = 9.2619 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: a little longer than 50ms on mpex, but that's the general idea.
jurov: yeah..."Your order could not be canceled at this time"
jurov: when i saw that response from mpex i was like wat?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5401 @ 0.00064749 = 3.4971 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00064749 = 8.7411 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25102 @ 0.00064621 = 16.2212 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9298 @ 0.0006458 = 6.0046 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1740 @ 0.0006458 = 1.1237 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15850 @ 0.00064376 = 10.2036 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00481977 / 0.00513077 / 0.00525532 (43896 shares, 225.22 BTC), 7D: 0.00449034 / 0.00477603 / 0.00598999 (1968947 shares, 9,403.76 BTC), 30D: 0.0014 / 0.00374694 / 0.00598999 (11171304 shares, 41,858.22 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17500 @ 0.00063314 = 11.08 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6715 @ 0.00063222 = 4.2454 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1385 @ 0.00063178 = 0.875 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5665 @ 0.00063178 = 3.579 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16950 @ 0.00063131 = 10.7007 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 950 @ 0.00062783 = 0.5964 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4535 @ 0.00062776 = 2.8469 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 2000 @ 0.00100009 = 2.0002 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 8000 @ 0.00100008 = 8.0006 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25000 @ 0.00063865 = 15.9663 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5465 @ 0.00062776 = 3.4307 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2000 @ 0.0006277 = 1.2554 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2600 @ 0.00062636 = 1.6285 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5535 @ 0.00062626 = 3.4663 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3300 @ 0.00062626 = 2.0667 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 2 @ 0.0085 = 0.017 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3100 @ 0.00505276 = 15.6636 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1188 @ 0.00062626 = 0.744 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 600 @ 0.0051797 = 3.1078 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4027 @ 0.00062626 = 2.5219 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 323 @ 0.000626 = 0.2022 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00481977 / 0.0051263 / 0.00525532 (47596 shares, 243.99 BTC), 7D: 0.00449034 / 0.00477662 / 0.00598999 (1971963 shares, 9,419.32 BTC), 30D: 0.0014 / 0.00374737 / 0.00598999 (11175004 shares, 41,876.99 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22000 @ 0.00063123 = 13.8871 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33565 @ 0.000626 = 21.0117 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2513 @ 0.00062544 = 1.5717 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1837 @ 0.00062544 = 1.1489 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10400 @ 0.00062297 = 6.4789 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19924 @ 0.00062068 = 12.3664 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.4189 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00063095 = 2.7263 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17300 @ 0.00063123 = 10.9203 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8500 @ 0.00063239 = 5.3753 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30415 @ 0.00063865 = 19.4245 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00063539 = 2.7455 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20579 @ 0.00063563 = 13.0806 BTC [+]
jcpham: hi guys my son has been sick for a few days
jcpham: the case was discussed and iassume handled
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00062907 = 2.7182 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46500 @ 0.00062892 = 29.2448 BTC [-]
jcpham: i'll be at the computer for about 5-6 hours and reachable
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.41 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.41 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.39 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 13.1 BTC [-]
jurov: <assbot> sup bitches' ... lol someone figured the assapi entrypoint?
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00062068 / 0.00064355 / 0.00066183 (1525055 shares, 981.45 BTC), 7D: 0.00062068 / 0.00066069 / 0.00068 (11958837 shares, 7,901.16 BTC), 30D: 0.000612 / 0.00064448 / 0.00068 (40838665 shares, 26,319.74 BTC)
jurov: still better than overhyped mugs
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 15.68000, Best ask: 15.69000, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 15.68000, 24 hour volume: 26331.65039030, 24 hour low: 15.48512, 24 hour high: 15.89000, 24 hour vwap: 15.69493
Diablo-D3: avalon hasnt even shipped yet have they?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11110 @ 0.0006227 = 6.9182 BTC [-]
Tritonio: Did BFL push the date back further?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.58 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.58 = 5.8 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: heh, friedcat is shipping a unit to me
Diablo-D3: at least we can prove those exist, even if the other three are failures
Diablo-D3: the chips have already been sent off to the board fabber to be mounted along with the rest of the components
Diablo-D3: like, first week of feb, maybe second
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 9 @ 0.58 = 5.22 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.58 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 150 @ 0.00497115 = 0.7457 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1200 @ 0.00497114 = 5.9654 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 694 @ 0.00492404 = 3.4173 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 656 @ 0.004901 = 3.2151 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 300 @ 0.00516344 = 1.549 BTC [+]
markedathome: they say they've shipped, to jgarzik and bitcoin foundation. just needs one of them to confirm. Unknown how many other orders have been shipped.
markedathome: I'd like to know if fizzisist is doing an asic
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1150 @ 0.00516344 = 5.938 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 534 @ 0.0051819 = 2.7671 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 216 @ 0.00522625 = 1.1289 BTC [+]
markedathome: a shame, seems to be a decent board maker, along with nghzang. ztex a close third.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90 @ 0.0006227 = 0.056 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00062101 = 2.6834 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 744 @ 0.00062068 = 0.4618 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12598 @ 0.00061858 = 7.7929 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: man... wish i had some free capital for those S.MPOE shares
kakobrekla: lol my father just called, "son, 10k eur. buy. now."
kakobrekla: he liquidated some stocks and wants to put some something in b.
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00481977 / 0.00510583 / 0.00525532 (44472 shares, 227.07 BTC), 7D: 0.00449034 / 0.00477805 / 0.00598999 (1962226 shares, 9,375.62 BTC), 30D: 0.0014 / 0.00374799 / 0.00598999 (11176625 shares, 41,889.98 BTC)
Bugpowder: I am getting a lot of interest from friends
Bugpowder: getting to be a significant amount of coins people want me to manage.
thestringpuller: mircea popescu give bugpowder money on my behalf so he can buy me some mpoe
Bugpowder: actually I've been meaning to ask about margin
mircea_popescu: jcpham no, not handled. you still have to say hi, and then enter your judgement
markedathome: oh dear me, this has been a weird weekend. There appears to be a certain delta flight with an inflight entertainment in the form of a model, a webcam, and an egg.
mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> lol my father just called, "son, 10k eur. buy. now." << haha cool
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00481977 / 0.00510583 / 0.00525532 (44472 shares, 227.07 BTC), 7D: 0.00449034 / 0.00477811 / 0.00598999 (1959497 shares, 9,362.70 BTC), 30D: 0.0014 / 0.00374799 / 0.00598999 (11176625 shares, 41,889.98 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3600 @ 0.00522625 = 18.8145 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: hopefully many people are saying that this weekend
dub: I herd asic are shipping, time to panic sell
Bugpowder: if people are that stupid, they deserve to lose their coins
Bugpowder: So does avalon open the second round of orders before anyone actually gets their delivery ???
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 15.64105, Best ask: 15.72499, Bid-ask spread: 0.08394, Last trade: 15.64105, 24 hour volume: 25222.05976602, 24 hour low: 15.51000, 24 hour high: 15.89000, 24 hour vwap: 15.70664
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.579 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: more like price stuck in a boring channel for literally HOURS
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.00062068 = 1.9862 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5752 @ 0.00061858 = 3.5581 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3750 @ 0.00061824 = 2.3184 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7556 @ 0.00061614 = 4.6556 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: hehe historic lows are 0.00002858 my fine feathered friend.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 15.66001, Best ask: 15.74900, Bid-ask spread: 0.08899, Last trade: 15.74900, 24 hour volume: 25213.40463004, 24 hour low: 15.51000, 24 hour high: 15.89000, 24 hour vwap: 15.70686
thestringpuller: people are likely dumping inventory to possibly sell options or something
Bugpowder: someone is gonna figure that one out
Bugpowder: JUST one 10,000 BTC buy is all I ask lord
gribble: There are currently 9850.6022 bitcoins offered at or under 16.44 USD, worth 157653.528739 USD in total.
dub: sell down to $10 nao
dub: or baby jesus masturbates a kitten
gribble: There are currently 10108.685 bitcoins demanded at or over 15.27 USD, worth 156379.594459 USD in total.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1624 @ 0.00062068 = 1.008 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10050 @ 0.00062068 = 6.2378 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [MININGCO.ETF] 4 @ 0.5 = 2 BTC
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 15.75000, Best ask: 15.76990, Bid-ask spread: 0.01990, Last trade: 15.71001, 24 hour volume: 25039.11971422, 24 hour low: 15.51000, 24 hour high: 15.89000, 24 hour vwap: 15.70869
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12044 @ 0.00061614 = 7.4208 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 906 @ 0.00061534 = 0.5575 BTC [-]
pigeons: WE STILL HAVE ROOM FOR MORE ORDERS SO Get IN WHILE YOU STILL CAN! I stake my personal name and word on that.
Azelphur: does that mean we get to call ourselves pigeons if you don't deliver
pigeons: and no, not if i don't deliver
pigeons: if we don't have room for more orders
jurov: coinbr finally passed a test by correctly processing simultaneous new orders with same mpsic/price
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13300 @ 0.00062068 = 8.255 BTC [+]
FabianB: jurov: :) approve my latest fund so i can put more orders :)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 9 @ 0.55 = 4.95 BTC [-]
jurov: FabianB, it waits till mircea accepts it
jurov: i rather won't do fractional reserve. not even for friends ;)
FabianB: jurov: didn't know you already forwarded it to mpex
jurov: thestringpusher, why do you think?
thestringpuller: when I have money to hire a sock puppet that is what he/she'll be called
jurov: i do unit test. just left some unlikely scenarios for later, cause i'm lazy.
jurov: now they become more and more likely
FabianB: mircea_popescu: yeah, no-one expected that
FabianB: pirates seem to have high volatility in elections
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 178 @ 0.00062068 = 0.1105 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2000 @ 0.00062084 = 1.2417 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2300 @ 0.00062385 = 1.4349 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7368 @ 0.0006246 = 4.6021 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2854 @ 0.00062622 = 1.7872 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P140T] 563 @ 0.018824 = 10.5979 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P150T] 1000 @ 0.03626506 = 36.2651 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P160T] 1000 @ 0.06205928 = 62.0593 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P180T] 1000 @ 0.14987357 = 149.8736 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P170T] 1000 @ 0.09597135 = 95.9714 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: ya someone is writing contracts to the bot from inventory the dumped from mpoe
thestringpuller: my how I love MPEX, it was like yesterday you were just a baby
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6286 @ 0.00062622 = 3.9364 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: the price go back up though because so many people want to buy
smickles: < thestringpuller> smickles is havin' internets trouble << more like bitvps is
jurov: thestringpuller, not yet. the mpoe order book still looks scary
Anduck: that pic is not taken off avalon miner
mircea_popescu: Jan 20 22:21:50 <thestringpuller> push them to smickles
mircea_popescu: Jan 20 22:22:01 <mircea_popescu> i can see because of some pixels
mircea_popescu: ;;later bugpowder what did you want to ask about margin ? i missed it at the time, luckily someone mentioned avalon fake pic and i had to dig through logs.
gribble: Error: The "Later" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "bugpowder" in it. Try "list Later" to see the commands in the "Later" plugin.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25600 @ 0.00062622 = 16.0312 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell bugpowder what did you want to ask about margin ? i missed it at the time, luckily someone mentioned avalon fake pic and i had to dig through logs.
mircea_popescu: you'd think people give it better chances of survival than 2 out of 3 ?
jurov: don't you plan assbot or gribble bbet plugin?
jurov: !bet "Milos Zeman"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24100 @ 0.00062622 = 15.0919 BTC [+]
assbot: what do you want anyway, search?
assbot: I don't know those people, and they don't look very friendly.
jurov: !sudo make bitbet interface
smickles_: anyone wanna bet if I last more than 2 min. this time?
jcpham: i imagine a mtgox "out of business" would mostly be a united states vs. mtgox thing
smickles_: thestringpuller: notice I didn't even finish that line b/f it dropped
assbot: You know, I've had it up to here with this Indian malarkey.
jcpham: smickles which datacenter is that vps in
jcpham: switzerland doesn't seem to have that problem fwiw
kakobrekla: no but srsly thestringpuller it has nothing to do with you
kakobrekla: thestringpuller, i just dont approve or resolve bets so i dont get in a way of person that does that
jurov: already contacted them? go to #bitvps
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 650 @ 0.00515772 = 3.3525 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller what's your hurry, not like it hits 100 today.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 52 @ 0.00522625 = 0.2718 BTC [+]
assbot: I prepared your canoe with cedar boughs.
assbot: [MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0.00100008 / 0.00100596 / 0.00129998 (10200 shares, 10.26 BTC), 7D: 0.00100007 / 0.00154533 / 0.0018 (260946 shares, 403.25 BTC), 30D: 0.000337 / 0.00078306 / 0.0035 (2257312 shares, 1,767.63 BTC)
dub: I prepared my canoe with sonar yesterday
dub: going to lay waste to some fish this arfternoon
assbot: Yes smickles__, I'm smart like that.
jurov: wait till it starts asking for help
gribble: You have not yet rated user assbot
jurov: ;;rate assbot -10 scammer
gribble: Error: For identification purposes, you must be identified via GPG to use the rating system.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3250 @ 0.00525495 = 17.0786 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 18 @ 0.339 = 6.102 BTC [+]
jurov: ;;getrating assbot
gribble: This user has not yet been rated. WARNING: Currently not authenticated.
jurov: is he old enough for toilet training?
mircea_popescu: smickles is like, on dial-up. and some friendly 70yo neighbour keeps picking up the receiver.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24000 @ 0.00062532 = 15.0077 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12376 @ 0.00062149 = 7.6916 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 117 @ 0.0085 = 0.9945 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2300 @ 0.00062149 = 1.4294 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P170T] 820 @ 0.09472763 = 77.6767 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P160T] 1000 @ 0.06097484 = 60.9748 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P150T] 1000 @ 0.03541299 = 35.413 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1815 @ 0.00062045 = 1.1261 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8884 @ 0.00062249 = 5.5302 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25414 @ 0.00062277 = 15.8271 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32090 @ 0.00062388 = 20.0203 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3190 @ 0.000625 = 1.9938 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3643 @ 0.000625 = 2.2769 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9311 @ 0.00062507 = 5.82 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1373 @ 0.00061743 = 0.8477 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6831 @ 0.00061058 = 4.1709 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2496 @ 0.00060969 = 1.5218 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19189 @ 0.00062507 = 11.9945 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6206 @ 0.00062622 = 3.8863 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15000 @ 0.00062649 = 9.3974 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21100 @ 0.00062886 = 13.2689 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.00063047 = 3.2784 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5605 @ 0.0006312 = 3.5379 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1600 @ 0.00525495 = 8.4079 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6383 @ 0.00061811 = 3.9454 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5517 @ 0.00061811 = 3.4101 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9491 @ 0.00061522 = 5.8391 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7320 @ 0.00060969 = 4.4629 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C200T] 15 @ 0.05139051 = 0.7709 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5450 @ 0.00060969 = 3.3228 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4100 @ 0.00060969 = 2.4997 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00481977 / 0.00513888 / 0.00525495 (42792 shares, 219.90 BTC), 7D: 0.00449034 / 0.00478954 / 0.00598999 (1891602 shares, 9,059.91 BTC), 30D: 0.0032 / 0.00414851 / 0.00598999 (9437928 shares, 39,153.42 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2506 @ 0.00060969 = 1.5279 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8350 @ 0.00060884 = 5.0838 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1644 @ 0.00060756 = 0.9988 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12756 @ 0.00060756 = 7.75 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4409 @ 0.00060731 = 2.6776 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12423 @ 0.00060731 = 7.5446 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2827 @ 0.00060336 = 1.7057 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4436 @ 0.00060336 = 2.6765 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.405 = 0.81 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 5 @ 0.4 = 2 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10787 @ 0.00060336 = 6.5084 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2800 @ 0.00060287 = 1.688 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41300 @ 0.0006017 = 24.8502 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10263 @ 0.00060168 = 6.175 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 300 @ 0.00518427 = 1.5553 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2116 @ 0.00525495 = 11.1195 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6050 @ 0.00061091 = 3.696 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6792 @ 0.00061091 = 4.1493 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11708 @ 0.00061091 = 7.1525 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5192 @ 0.00061096 = 3.1721 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1661 @ 0.00060168 = 0.9994 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3846 @ 0.00060168 = 2.3141 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 0.999 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1500 @ 0.00060344 = 0.9052 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15400 @ 0.00060344 = 9.293 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 475 @ 0.00060168 = 0.2858 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8250 @ 0.00060146 = 4.962 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7975 @ 0.00060122 = 4.7947 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.00060123 = 5.5914 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 250 @ 0.00060123 = 0.1503 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8397 @ 0.00060122 = 5.0484 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16000 @ 0.00060262 = 9.6419 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5079 @ 0.00060122 = 3.0536 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 432 @ 0.0053219 = 2.2991 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8100 @ 0.00060122 = 4.8699 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15000 @ 0.00060123 = 9.0185 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1250 @ 0.00060122 = 0.7515 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.00060262 = 4.3991 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4700 @ 0.00060262 = 2.8323 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8400 @ 0.00060344 = 5.0689 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3579 @ 0.00060893 = 2.1794 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1500 @ 0.00530239 = 7.9536 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 247 @ 0.00530238 = 1.3097 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 309 @ 0.00525 = 1.6223 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: Infiniti Poker Set to Go Live in February: Will Use Bitcoins for Americans
kakobrekla: “Because we’re using Bitcoin, we’re not using U.S. banks—it’s all peer-to-peer,” Hajduk told BusinessWeek.com in regard to fears over potentially breaking current US laws. “I don’t believe we’ll be doing anything wrong.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 578 @ 0.00060122 = 0.3475 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14222 @ 0.0006011 = 8.5488 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 6 @ 0.0055 = 0.033 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 420 @ 0.00525 = 2.205 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 852 @ 0.00524149 = 4.4657 BTC [-]
jurov: thestringpuller, sry i usually don't respond to summons at 04:29 CET
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 16.40637, Best ask: 16.53418, Bid-ask spread: 0.12781, Last trade: 16.39526, 24 hour volume: 36457.34278264, 24 hour low: 15.63412, 24 hour high: 16.70000, 24 hour vwap: 15.99778
kakobrekla: lol i just realized, i have a single customer that is larger than whole 1Broker
jurov: hehe yes it happens :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24991 @ 0.00060232 = 15.0526 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6600 @ 0.00060738 = 4.0087 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 10 @ 0.72 = 7.2 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2809 @ 0.00060804 = 1.708 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3306 @ 0.0006011 = 1.9872 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6600 @ 0.00060071 = 3.9647 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7200 @ 0.00060061 = 4.3244 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5435 @ 0.00060008 = 3.2614 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11015 @ 0.00060008 = 6.6099 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8685 @ 0.0006 = 5.211 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.57 = 1.14 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20750 @ 0.0006 = 12.45 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 884 @ 0.0053 = 4.6852 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7800 @ 0.00060893 = 4.7497 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 16.10000, Best ask: 16.10997, Bid-ask spread: 0.00997, Last trade: 16.10000, 24 hour volume: 44684.00628135, 24 hour low: 15.63412, 24 hour high: 16.70000, 24 hour vwap: 16.08003
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.00060419 = 4.2293 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3135 @ 0.00060223 = 1.888 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11244 @ 0.0006 = 6.7464 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.004901 / 0.00517549 / 0.0053219 (39777 shares, 205.87 BTC), 7D: 0.00449034 / 0.00479683 / 0.00598999 (1839870 shares, 8,825.55 BTC), 30D: 0.0032 / 0.00414935 / 0.00598999 (9444988 shares, 39,190.63 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24150 @ 0.0006 = 14.49 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15490 @ 0.00060419 = 9.3589 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18800 @ 0.0006 = 11.28 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 16.36843, Best ask: 16.45598, Bid-ask spread: 0.08755, Last trade: 16.45598, 24 hour volume: 46012.49478065, 24 hour low: 15.63412, 24 hour high: 16.70000, 24 hour vwap: 16.09633
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1650 @ 0.0052699 = 8.6953 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 16.49001, Best ask: 16.49100, Bid-ask spread: 0.00099, Last trade: 16.49000, 24 hour volume: 46183.98018035, 24 hour low: 15.63412, 24 hour high: 16.70000, 24 hour vwap: 16.09854
gribble: There are currently 0 bitcoins demanded at or over 16.45 USD, worth 0.0 USD in total.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 16.56000, Best ask: 16.60000, Bid-ask spread: 0.04000, Last trade: 16.60000, 24 hour volume: 46667.37538040, 24 hour low: 15.63412, 24 hour high: 16.70000, 24 hour vwap: 16.10462
Bugpowder: If it can break thru 17... game over man
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 69 @ 0.0052699 = 0.3636 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 310 @ 0.00524149 = 1.6249 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2600 @ 0.00523251 = 13.6045 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 221 @ 0.00521186 = 1.1518 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1435 @ 0.00060419 = 0.867 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37533 @ 0.00060893 = 22.855 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.39 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.3508 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 10 @ 0.3501 = 3.501 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 3 @ 0.3301 = 0.9903 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BVPS] 1270 @ 0.0013 = 1.651 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9850 @ 0.00060298 = 5.9394 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 200 @ 0.00060142 = 0.1203 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4850 @ 0.00060142 = 2.9169 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14867 @ 0.0006 = 8.9202 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2129 @ 0.00521186 = 11.096 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 867 @ 0.00520934 = 4.5165 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8800 @ 0.00060472 = 5.3215 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1504 @ 0.0006 = 0.9024 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3595 @ 0.00059978 = 2.1562 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1565 @ 0.00059978 = 0.9387 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 116 @ 0.0053 = 0.6148 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 93 @ 0.0053219 = 0.4949 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1991 @ 0.00533151 = 10.615 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6050 @ 0.00059978 = 3.6287 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 16.73735, Best ask: 16.84332, Bid-ask spread: 0.10597, Last trade: 16.73533, 24 hour volume: 52756.17100206, 24 hour low: 15.63412, 24 hour high: 16.98000, 24 hour vwap: 16.18763
Korbman: Wait..what? I looked just the other day and it was $15.70...now you're trying to tell me we're reaching $17?
assbot: [BTCTC] [GOLD] 1 @ 1.05 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16188 @ 0.00060893 = 9.8574 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 408 @ 0.00061096 = 0.2493 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6672 @ 0.00061217 = 4.0844 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 16.78819, Best ask: 16.94860, Bid-ask spread: 0.16041, Last trade: 16.94859, 24 hour volume: 53194.02273291, 24 hour low: 15.63412, 24 hour high: 16.98000, 24 hour vwap: 16.19784
Bugpowder: I doubt we break thru 17. Asks are evaporating now
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6238 @ 0.00059978 = 3.7414 BTC [-]
Korbman: I didn't think we'd get this high to begin with (at least not as quickly)...so it doesn't surprise me the bids are slowing down
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1363 @ 0.00520934 = 7.1003 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: well some of the bids got impatient, and just went for the ask instead
Bugpowder: Still tons of support at 15.60 and 16.10
Bugpowder: The MPOE market bot is undervaluing the calls right now too... 70 cent difference between vwap and current
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 81 @ 0.0085 = 0.6885 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 993 @ 0.00517224 = 5.136 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 145 @ 0.0089 = 1.2905 BTC [+]
JWU_42: walls are forming at 17
JWU_42: and not much to take us back to 16.50
Bugpowder: But my C160Ts really want us to be at 18.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12550 @ 0.00059978 = 7.5272 BTC [-]
jurov: but why s.mpoe shareholders had to chose this time to cash out
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 244 @ 0.00517224 = 1.262 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: cause MPOE is gonna have a bad week if the price keeps going up (I guess)
jcpham: looks like it will not stop any time soon
jcpham: the bulls want to break every piece of china in the shop.
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 10 @ 0.1432 = 1.432 BTC [-]
jurov: if it goes only up, it won't be such a bit problem, maybe bonds pay only a half of MPBOR
jurov: but if it decides to swing to, say, 13, now that would be a problem
jurov: mircea, bitcoinica is shipping
jurov: ..er...mixed that up :/
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 16.75000, Best ask: 16.77669, Bid-ask spread: 0.02669, Last trade: 16.75000, 24 hour volume: 54418.34696679, 24 hour low: 15.63412, 24 hour high: 16.98000, 24 hour vwap: 16.21918
jcpham: 2 units shipped over the weekend: one to jgarzik, one to bitcoin foundation
jcpham: i assume 300 more to random miners
jcpham: not yet to my knowlege
jcpham: i think i deserve the 140BTC or so
jcpham: i've been thinking on it
jcpham: i only need to convince one other judge of the same
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 3 @ 0.4 = 1.2 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: R Company Sales/mth $ Profit/yr BTC Profit/yr Industry link
jcpham: EskimoBob go fuck yourself that was a joke
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6450 @ 0.00060007 = 3.8705 BTC [+]
jcpham: mircea_popescu in the last post it looks like the signature line is cut off:
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 10 @ 0.1432 = 1.432 BTC [-]
jcpham: line starts like: HBNlxhUDnEKbMl1p082ergE+ekRZINRmr12/DpZQy0sODhxGTE40HukSnPL+mQDDy8yg+bjQb
mircea_popescu: Signature: HBNlxhUDnEKbMl1p082ergE+ekRZINRmr12/DpZQy0sODhxGTE40HukSnPL+mQDDy8yg+bjQblA+NsJeI3XyoEs=
jcpham: I believe I need to verify that. thanks
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17867 @ 0.00060823 = 10.8672 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2700 @ 0.00060823 = 1.6422 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.00060823 = 2.6154 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1950 @ 0.00060558 = 1.1809 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22552 @ 0.00059978 = 13.5262 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3498 @ 0.00059924 = 2.0961 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P160T] 777 @ 0.04160326 = 32.3257 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14500 @ 0.00059924 = 8.689 BTC [-]
pigeons: EskimoBob: i nominated jcpham because he would be less likely to be viewed as a sock puppet than kako who is a business partner of mp and i know smickles has done deals with him too
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6152 @ 0.00059924 = 3.6865 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27628 @ 0.00059908 = 16.5514 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18900 @ 0.00059845 = 11.3107 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10670 @ 0.0005984 = 6.3849 BTC [-]
pigeons: EskimoBob: and jcpham is talking about convincing one other judge to rule against MP, which doesnt seem to need any convincing anytwasy
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 10 @ 0.0055 = 0.055 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 1 @ 0.1432 BTC [-]
jcpham: mircea_popescu the rota has decided to rip you off
jcpham: i hope you are happy :)
Bugpowder: I estimate Mtgox only makes 100,000 BTC /year
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 756 @ 0.0052 = 3.9312 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 244 @ 0.00516178 = 1.2595 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11900 @ 0.0005984 = 7.121 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 122 @ 0.00060823 = 0.0742 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8667 @ 0.00061217 = 5.3057 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3388 @ 0.00061302 = 2.0769 BTC [+]
jcpham: mircea_popescu does payment for the rota come from the fees paid by the claimant and defendant (you)
jcpham: or was this the intention or not
jcpham: we are unsure if we should we should pay ourselves from the fees
jcpham: which might seem greedy but i'll ask it
mircea_popescu: the prevailing party gets up to 10 btc back (depending what % of their claim is granted)
jcpham: are we to judge our own dsalary is my question
mircea_popescu: the losing party gets nothing. the judges get 3 btc each.
Bugpowder: How much of their $50,000 / month operating costs is salaries to the owner
Bugpowder: They say their server costs are $5,000 / mo
Bugpowder: where is the other $45k / mo going?
Bugpowder: They pay out the revenue to employee salary most likely
Bugpowder: Angel should not have more than 20% equity
Bugpowder: I started paying attention to btc when it hit $7 the first time
Bugpowder: Only had a gox account for about a year
mircea_popescu: well anyway, originalyl site started by some guy in the us
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 98 @ 0.0089 = 0.8722 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6265 @ 0.00060205 = 3.7718 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 14 @ 0.009 = 0.126 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5685 @ 0.0005984 = 3.4019 BTC [-]
jurov_: mircea_popescu, primitive as opposed to what ?
jurov_: to the wannabe Rule Of Law irl?
mircea_popescu: jurov_ relationships based on tribal structures rather than flow of capital, law and ownership
jurov: and how would that happen? as long as majority of players are anonymous, there is no real incentive to follow the law
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22500 @ 0.0005984 = 13.464 BTC [-]
jurov: i tried to reconcile that when i thought about the gpg story, but no. people just are dishonorable thieves when they can.
mircea_popescu: for most of history people could be dishonorable thieves and mostly were not.
mircea_popescu: i think this is a convenient statal lie, to justify the historically incredible levels of taxation.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1017 @ 0.00060205 = 0.6123 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8217 @ 0.00060947 = 5.008 BTC [+]
jurov: then why the first reaction to state failure is often looting?
jurov: don't know if it's true but i heard in romania even central heating equipment was stolen in some places
jurov: when communist regime fell
mircea_popescu: for the same reason takling away the prop of a tree leads to tree colapsing
mircea_popescu: this doesn't prove trees can't grow on their own trunks
jurov: i don't see how the argument relates.. it was not like something completely vital was removed during the '89 revolution
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 600 @ 0.00533727 = 3.2024 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: something completely vital was removed for the red decades
mircea_popescu: once the ersatz collapsed the impression was that there's something missing.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7667 @ 0.00060947 = 4.6728 BTC [+]
jurov: lol, show me any significant group of people that can exist outside of state without "impression that there's something missing"
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 4 @ 0.34 = 1.36 BTC [+]
jurov: yes, provided there are no armed groups roaming the landscape
jurov: last 60 years in europe are an exception in this regard
jurov: you mean in america?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2150 @ 0.0005984 = 1.2866 BTC [-]
jurov: good example. it mostly appeared to work cause there was no competition for food/land...
jurov: but maybe at expense to slaves/natives
jurov: i don't know 'merica history, dunno how many people were actually violently killed there
jurov: just got the feeling that ability to call 911 was welcomed even there
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.00059841 = 3.5905 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15650 @ 0.0005984 = 9.365 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.53 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: what do you think made barbed wire such a commercial success
jurov: barbed wire? used in american old west? you lost me again
dub: missed the start of this conversation
dub: but the problem with humans is we are naturally peices of shit
jurov: i'd say yurp built on competition for food and land... when it got unbearable, everyone went to us since it was supposedly much better there
dub: once you put enough of us in close proximity we will rob rape and kill each other
jcpham: especially if food is in short supply
dub: which means you need some policing which implies a state
jcpham: if you force me to live in close proximity with people
jcpham: i would probably attempt to dominate my peers or control them
jcpham: C cup and larger against that wall
jcpham: strong men over here against this wall
dub: well, _you_ would because of your conditioning, that success must be at teh expense of your peers
jcpham: everyone would be a resource for me to assign
dub: even without our existing societal fuck up, humans cannot coexist en masse
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.3999 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: jcpham the dispute of cattle vs farm was settled by barbed wire
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 4 @ 0.4 = 1.6 BTC [+]
jcpham: the 'ol fence trick, eh?
jcpham: round 'em up and stick them in a fence?
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 2 @ 0.34 = 0.68 BTC [+]
jurov: anyway, i think when i'd pick random person that lived 60 to 6000 years ago and explained about how oppressive is the modern state i currently live in
jurov: i'd get unbelieving stare, perhaps
jurov: not that it can't be improved... but removing it completely, srsly?
jcpham: removing a lot of these societal structures implies a lot of death
mircea_popescu: listen, killing someione is not the trivial matter it appears to be in video games.
mircea_popescu: even if given free reign to kill anyone at any time most people couldn't be arsed.
jurov: lol, maybe he'd agree that inability to treat wives as property is kinda oppressing :DDD
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C140T] 5 @ 0.15725077 = 0.7863 BTC [+]
jcpham: i mean death as in people who cannot provide for themselves
jcpham: without society and technology
jcpham: and who will surely waste away or be overtaken by others
pigeons: well, or else people who want to help "people who cannot provide for themselves" won't have GovCo in the way and can help them
jcpham: if we all were required to produce something to be usefull, many of us might be in trouble
jcpham: assume you have an alotment of fresh air
jcpham: that costs some personal production
jcpham: you want to breathe, contribute.
jcpham: i'm telling you fresh water futures and clean air
jcpham: someone will mop up one day
pigeons: first we need to get rid of that meddling lorax
jurov: jcpham, funnily enough that was a communist idea that everyone must be employed and producing
jcpham: i somewhat agree with it
dub: the hilarious thing about libertarians and anti-state crowd
jcpham: the worls is full of producers and consumers
jcpham: consumers far far far outweigh producers
dub: is the root of it is they think that because they are a beautiful and unique snowflake they will somehow do a better job than 'the state'
dub: when its that inherently selfish nature of humanity that is the reason we need it
mircea_popescu: after all, they're smart enough to have figured it out first!
jcpham: i agree that i am an entirely selfish human
jcpham: much more so now that i have a fmily
dub: its a human trait, you don't own it you selfish bastard
dub: I AM THE ONLY SELFISH ONE< YOU WILL DIE NOW
jcpham: how can we bet on this now?
jcpham: can we make a selfishness bet
dub: I have a good one, by 2050 there will be less than half as many humans as today
dub: that wil prove it nicely
dub: and if we are around to collect, well we already won so we wont need to
mircea_popescu: i will personally impregnate a billionty womenz to win this bet.
iz: dub: ever heard of the prisoner's dilemma?
iz: in a non-zero sum game, the "selfish" move also helps everyone else
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1750 @ 0.0053558 = 9.3727 BTC [+]
iz: it means that hurting your opponent doesn't help you.. that's non-zero sum
mircea_popescu: jcpham pigeons i hope you realise the net result of this will simply be me putting it in the faq that i will keep all misrouted funds and fu.
iz: games like chess or checkers, are zero sum, where hurting your opponent directly helps you
iz: it's not above zero, below zero, or zero
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2075 @ 0.0053558 = 11.1133 BTC [+]
jcpham: mircea_popescu is our judgement not "fair"
mircea_popescu: it's particularly dumb, in that it allows idiots to extract money from me now.
jcpham: 9 to judges leaving 11
jcpham: fair is to split the 11btc
assbot: [BTCTC] [MININGCO.ETF] 2 @ 0.5 = 1 BTC
jcpham: now you can just tell everyone the orta sucks
jcpham: we are all just scamsters
jcpham: i'd also be willing to forego payment to make the situation "correct"
jcpham: didn't seem like an avaialble option though
mircea_popescu: you just allocated the cost of fucking up to me, and i'm not the one who fucked up.
jcpham: that's just me i'm speaking for
jcpham: if you send me a bill for your losses i can make payments until you recover fully
mod6: this is the dumbest ruling in virtual case law
mircea_popescu: i guess it at least proves they be independent ninnies.
jcpham: i think mre preparation or organization is required
mod6: you guys need to think about what you're doing
mircea_popescu: dawg, independence is this concept whereby people think autonomously
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.00534198 = 2.671 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 850 @ 0.00534197 = 4.5407 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1446 @ 0.00524041 = 7.5776 BTC [-]
jcpham: i suppose it is too late now
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9684 @ 0.00060947 = 5.9021 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11366 @ 0.00060971 = 6.93 BTC [+]
jurov: whatever. i was organizing international summercamp, bank asked us the fee to sort out payments with incomplete info
jurov: i doubt if i'd get anything if we sued
mircea_popescu: right. cause the bank won't do the insane sort of shit i do
mod6: what a bunch of asshats
jcpham: fwiw i started to penalize you both equally
mod6: omfg why did you ask to do this?!?!?!
jcpham: jesus told me to apply
jcpham: why are you upset mod6
mircea_popescu: ima hold rota entrance exams, consisting of reciting cicero and laurian in latin
jcpham: mircea_popescu will keep the funds in the future
jcpham: so he won't even need the rota
jcpham: seems like a win-win for a few btc
jcpham: sortof an early precednet
jcpham: hopefully I won'r be nominated anymore because i'm just insane
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10284 @ 0.00060971 = 6.2703 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4766 @ 0.00061235 = 2.9185 BTC [+]
jurov: bah, "judges" nobody asked about the "mispaid/rounded orders create significant overhead"?
jurov: like, is it so significant as to justfy keeping whole amount?
jurov: occupy? now it's clear to me.
jcpham: occupy movement..... huh
jurov: jcpham, do ask, i'm curious. maybe the overhead includes doing something interesting with the bitches
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7785 @ 0.00060287 = 4.6933 BTC [-]
mod6: (11:25) < mircea_popescu> ima hold rota entrance exams, consisting of reciting cicero and laurian in latin
mod6: otherwise this just creates way more problems then it solves
mod6: we can't have these dunderhead rulings being created when people have no idea what they're even doing
mircea_popescu: <mod6> otherwise this just creates way more problems then it solves << i am grasped by sudden terror at the realisation of that, yes.
mod6: rip it up and start again
mod6: im srsly irk'd by this
mod6: the plaintiff fucked up. his funds should be returned minus fees. nothing more.
dub: who initiated the rota action?
mod6: nothing less. this is idiotic.
pigeons: yeah i wanted punititve damages against mircea_popescu for wasting our time, using the rota as a promotion, and forcing customers to sue him just to get typical service
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 934 @ 0.00061235 = 0.5719 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16495 @ 0.00061302 = 10.1118 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: pigeons yeah well, you sorta misunderstand what this is all for.
mod6: i really thought the court was a great idea, actually. now i just see that we don't have the foresight/legal wisdom to carry it out
mod6: this is more important then that is
mod6: that still will be over in the not too distant future, this is the future
jcpham: what good is talking going to do now
jcpham: if i'm not allowed to change anything
jcpham: i mean, I don't like the format myself
jcpham: the blog posting and whatnjot
dub: sorry why was the rota engaged?
dub: dude sent wrong amount, it seemed like mircea_popescu was trying to help him sort it out
jcpham: i'm not feeling mad, I'm feeling as if I disappointed someone
dub: did he then demand rota justice or did mircea_popescu
jcpham: regardless, someone was going to get disappointed
pigeons: it was engaged because instead of mircea_popescu just being a normal human, he used a customer service case to not fix the issue so he could force his customer to sue him to get justice, just so he could promote his rota
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jcpham: which is fine by me and we obviously did a bad job
jurov: like, it's totally the mission of a judge to please everyone
jcpham: so what's the point now? to learn from it
jcpham: FWIW i 'm not seeing any volunteers
jcpham: you have about 11 months to get your shit together
dub: its obviously the guys fault but forcing the rota to deal with it is not good for either rota or mpex imo
pigeons: if you are going to make a point that people can use your rota and it is a good alternative dispute method, forcing the issue on something like this when you just should have credited the dide without all the hassle is shitty
mircea_popescu: pigeons i should have credited the dude w/o the hassle ?
jurov: pigeons, it would be good if you included the reasoning in your judgement
mircea_popescu: he's absolutely the last guy who sends ANY ammt to mpex and gets crtedited.
pigeons: my reasoning was included,
pigeons: "MPex does disclaim responsibility for customer errors in depositing, but correcting this error is a reasonable part of fiduciary duty."
jcpham: the problem is the fees, not the deposit
jcpham: that's where the uncertainty is
jcpham: to me, the fee is negligible given the deposit amount
pigeons: i wanted to include that i thought the rota was a good idea and didnt expect mircea_popescu would pt barnum it
jcpham: but i see now it is not negligble at al
jcpham: the fee is just a bonus
jcpham: we're talking about .00005 at max bitcoin transaction
mircea_popescu: pigeons the reason nobody was using it was (i understand now) the justified fear that people are not equipped to judge.
jcpham: in fees for the 130 btc
mircea_popescu: sadly this was proven true, luckily it was proven true on a modest case of little import.
jcpham: for all the ORTA fees are just icing on the cake
dub: so does MP get the neg rating?
jcpham: the 20 btc in fees is icing on the cake for someone
dub: or just the 100btc loss
pigeons: jcpham: explain the fees thing
jcpham: so we think or we know it was his funds and we decide to return the funds
jcpham: straight away once that decision is made, the fess are what decides everything
pigeons: i know it says dont fuck up your deposits, and im careful cause i know mircea_popescu will keep it, but if he's gonna use this to try to push his rota, well fact is it is a breach of fiduciary duty it is totally reasonable to fix this when shown proof
jcpham: also the whole fiduciary duty claim is only relevant given non-refund
mircea_popescu: but i'm not happy with how it works, so i won't do it in the future.
dub: mircea_popescu: what changed?
jcpham: so assume we determine the funds to be his, and we also determine that funds will be returned, there is no breach
dub: about considering refunding him if/when shown proof
mircea_popescu: dub historically if you sent the wrong amt you're fucked.
pigeons: mircea_popescu could have settled with the guy then there was no breach
mircea_popescu: it failed to work, so i'm going back to what historically worked very well.
dub: mircea_popescu: I don't understand how the rota could change that, its your policy
pigeons: but mircea_popescu forced him to sue cause mircea_popescu wanted to promote his rota, and we are his pawns in that
dub: the rota is a binary decision maker, not a policy generating device
jcpham: mircea_popescu did wences ask for his money back
jcpham: i assumed that he DID NOT
jcpham: i'm not discussing this anymore
pigeons: we are a cheap customer service department for him
dub: I don;t understand how it went from trying to help the guy to rota
jurov: pigeons, did you ask about logs between mircea and wences? to confirm if mircea forced him to sue ?
jurov: or it's just your assumption?
jcpham: now i know that i need to interrogate everyone
pigeons: jurov: i asked mircea_popescu
pigeons: it is also in the comments on the general rota post
pigeons: changing the policy via the rota?
jcpham: it was understanding that the parties didn't try to resolve it amicably - straight to rota, no discussion
jcpham: now that i know discussion came before the rota case
pigeons: no, mircea_popescu coached wences on how to format his claim
jcpham: i'm much more firm in my decison
jcpham: fucking precedent or not
pigeons: i didnt mind the keep your money policy too much but he made him bring this case, and no way i can find that it is reasonable in this instance
dub: it makes no sense if that is true
pigeons: mircea_popescu: the problem is this isn't an organic dispute, you would have paid the guy, but you decided if you made him go through the rota you would get publicity for it
pigeons: ok then the rota did its job
dub: mircea_popescu: it says in your sumbission that you would be prepared to pay him
pigeons: i thought mircea_popescu's submission was an offer to settle without going through this, but when i spoke with him he said no
mircea_popescu: next time someone tries that i'll just ignore it and that's the end of that story.
mircea_popescu: basically yay rota, it managed to lock itself out of pretty much the only subject matter anyone thought it worthy of considering
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dub: mircea_popescu: that doesnt make an sense, your policy is that he would not be refunded, why would that change during a rota case?
mircea_popescu: not entirely sure if that means it'll just die in a corner somewhere, but seems quite likely.
pigeons: if rota decided with what you agreed, you would have made it policy
pigeons: and used the rota to back your policy
dub: I think this is actually a win for mircea_popescu
pigeons: but since it decided against you it isnt good policy what the rota decides
jcpham: i can't see how it can be a loss
mircea_popescu: pigeons if it made a reasonable decision it might have i nthe future had more important stuff brought before it.
pigeons: of course its a win, he either didnt have to pay, or else his rota gets promted and he pays what he owed
mircea_popescu: hard enough to push the concept as it is, even if we were to believe judges are marginally qualified and someqwhat sane
mircea_popescu: if we don't believe either of those it's a dead sell, no matter how hard i push it
dub: if the guy had been forced to use the rota and lost, incurring further cost it would be even more of a joke
pigeons: well it won't be very useful if its only used for what you bring forward to it
dub: wtf is an mpex custoemr service dispute doing in rota
mircea_popescu: what did you expect, to start by considering a five million btc case ?
pigeons: dub: actually, the reason is so he can promote his rota
dub: pigeons: then your decision is double wrong
mircea_popescu: no. the reason is so that you people can show you can judge.
jcpham: the only thing i can possibly imagine that we did wrong was split the fees incorrectly
jcpham: no one will convince me otherwise
dub: pigeons: 1) because the policy 'wences' agreed to by using mpex is clear and you ruled against that. 2) mpex would have looked a lot worse having forced the use of rota then winning
mircea_popescu: jcpham that's pretty much it. you allocated the cost of fucking up to the party that didn't fuck up.
pigeons: could not make someone pay to get justice
dub: I think you caused this by using the rota for something so trivial tbh
pigeons: i am very upset this was a rota case
dub: next rota case, should I have cornflakes or museli for breakfast
dub: so does mircea_popescu get neg rated?
dub: that is what the whole thing is about right? judges donate their reputation to uphold the reputation of others
pigeons: dub: he does if he fails to make good on the judgement
jcpham: a tx fee and a lot less time could have resolved this
pigeons: something small like customer service?
dub: mircea_popescu: nah, its a dumb thing for the rota
mircea_popescu: you're not part of the scotus, just yet. so, you know, little room to thumb nose.
dub: look at the notes in the comments, you are agreeing to reimburse him
dub: so he got his money back, good result?
jcpham: there is an idea that the fees represent
dub: why is the rulling against you a problem if thats what the rota is for, processing your customer service enquiries
mircea_popescu: dub because now any of the judges can start spamming my address with 100 btc payments
jcpham: apparently we shit on that idea
pigeons: it shows that if you expect service from mircea_popescu you better pay to sue him and win
dub: so you wanted to win, then pay him back?
jcpham: 1) if the claimant paid the funds
jcpham: 2) if the claimant can prove ownership of said funds
pigeons: mp paid 9 btc to get his rota promoted and scare people into being more careful depositing because of raised awareness of the hassle of errors
dub: mircea_popescu: you appear to agree to return the funds or are at least satisfied with his signing of the message, if you had won the case would have looked even more retarded
mircea_popescu: pigeons what happens now if you send 100.0 btc, sue, get back 100 + 10 fee + 3 for judging it ?
pigeons: i dont know mircea_popescu that isnt clear to me
pigeons: where does the 3 come from
pigeons: we thought it came from the looser's 10
mircea_popescu: two parties to any trial. each contributes 10 btc, for a total of 20.
dub: either mpex policy is 'you fuckup the deposit you lose it, no question' or 'don't fuckup but we may be able to fix it'
jcpham: as i understand it: each case will have at least 20 btc in fess paid
mircea_popescu: 3 judges to any trial, each gets 3 btc, for a total of 9.
pigeons: ok, winner gets his 10 back then that leaves 1
jcpham: 3 judges at 3btc apiece leaves 11BTC to split in every case
mircea_popescu: the winner gets a fraction of 10 btc = to the % he's allocated.
pigeons: i would have charged you more than 140 if i could have
pigeons: 130 + 10 fees you caused him to incur
mircea_popescu: you know, money isn't soemthing to be redistributed to the needy. or do you ?
jcpham: in my mind it takes little to no effort to refund someone
jcpham: how much effort is actually required
pigeons: he isnt needy, its his money
mircea_popescu: pigeons what happens now if you send 100.0 btc, sue, get back 100 + 10 fee + 3 for judging it ? <<< this.
jcpham: i know 4 other people who can do the same
dub: mircea_popescu: you should have thought about it before using a court to settle stupid shit
pigeons: you owed him 130, the fees were to be allocated, since you caused the fees, you pay them not him
dub: he got the same amount back that he spent, you lost the case, you incur charges
mircea_popescu: pigeons i didn't "cause" him to send rounded numbers dood.
pigeons: no way you get anything of the fees when you could have settled it without rota
pigeons: you didnt cause it, it is reasonable that you credit him
mircea_popescu: yeah, well, i guess this shows why the random person, even if well meaning, can not be a judge.
pigeons: you did cause the rounded anyway, by your retarted one address deposit system
jcpham: you guys should make bets on rota disputes from now
jcpham: maybe you can clean up
mircea_popescu: the fact that all btc goes to the same address means nobody's deposits or withdrawals can be traced.
mod6: (12:18) < pigeons> you did cause the rounded anyway, by your retarted one address deposit system << this is amazing
mod6: are you guys IT people?
mod6: what do you guys do for a living?
dub: at first glance this seems open and shut, he failed to utilise mpex per teh conditions he agreed to, he loses
pigeons: it wasnt a case against the breach of conditions
dub: but in the 'case notes' there is some arbitaration and an inferred agreement to refund, so a win for the claimant is the intuitive result
pigeons: it was breach of fiduciary duty, which he did breach cause he failed to take a reasonable action
pigeons: i asked prior about that inferred agreement and mp said it wasnt what it appeared to us
pigeons: but yeah sure looks like one to me too
jcpham: still need rassah's ruling
pigeons: wow the fact that you actually expected to win is shocking
mod6: its not about who won the case. its about the damn ruling.
mod6: jesus fucking christ.
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mod6: i feel like im taking crazy pills
pigeons: why didnt you just pay him instead of making us go through this if you expected him to win?
pigeons: why would the system award you anything for acting in bad faith
mircea_popescu: pigeons so that you may prove yourselves as actually takeable seriously as judges
Namworld: So... can I use the rota for the unclaimed giga.etf case? =P
pigeons: well maybe we showed that, if we shilled we sure wouldnt have and you sure wouldnt have gotten any cases
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pigeons: well cause you think its an error doesnt make it so
pigeons: you lost, you caused the process by not settling beforehand, so you pay the fees
pigeons: dont they still have to win?
dub: its easy for you to fix though, just make the rule hard and fast, no refunds
dub: its in the ToS, deal with it
jurov: mircea i don't understand one thing. why you can't just set a hefty fee for resolving mistakes?
pigeons: it was a rule, but mp told him to go to rota
dub: I think the rota did mpex a favour ruling this way
jurov: oh, so better take everything. i see.
pigeons: its not fair, guy had to go through all this just to get his shit back
mircea_popescu: dude i dunno, seriously, mail your house keys to some random address
mircea_popescu: for the tiome you couldn't go inside cause you didn't have your keys or w/e
pigeons: its the argument he gave to the deposit command
mircea_popescu: why hasn't this lively debate take place in teh comment section ?!
jurov: mircea, so if i mail the keys, they get to keep the house? is it what you're saying?
pigeons: cause no one wants to email you to get credits to read a web page
pigeons: nope i can only see this one page
mircea_popescu: dude... comments are always and in all circumstancess visible.
jcpham: i think if you want to preserve this in posterity for all to comment on, it needs to be moved elsewhere
jcpham: it's very personal right now
dub: lets all agree it was a fuckup and forget about it
pigeons: nope we all think we are right
dub: maybe there will be a real case for the rota one day but it now seems unlikely
jcpham: hopefully the next judges will nt be so biased
mircea_popescu: i doubt it has any relevance to anyone other than the ppl involved tho
jurov: <jurov> mircea, so if i mismail the keys, they get to keep the house? is it what you're saying?
mircea_popescu: i think for everyone else its "o, that thing that couldn't have worked didn't ? o wow."
dub: mircea_popescu - the first person to create his own justice system, and the first to destroy his own justice system
jurov: ^ can you at least reply to this?
mircea_popescu: jurov no, you may ask for the keys back, and even get them
jcpham: metaphorically, wences got back his own keys plus a nother set of keys to another house?
jurov: but in this case it's like they told me they're moving into the house, it's reasonable
mircea_popescu: this is literally "he should get the keys, the stamps for having asked and if we could we'd have given him all paid tow weeks vacation to boot"
dub: courts award costs to the winner, fyi
dub: the idea is teh winner goes away without having lost money
pigeons: markedathome: he paid 140 130 +10 fees
dub: markedathome: he paid a 10btc fee to use the rota
jcpham: the only other option i would've entertained was for both parties to lose
dub: to an outsider reading that blog post it actually look slike the rota worked fine
pigeons: should all be done in irc and log posted
dub: aside from mircea_popescu taxing himself 10btc to handly a customer service case
dub: then, he might have paid someone 10 btc to handle it
mircea_popescu: dub it reads like mp taxing himself to create the system, and paying people to be idiots and subvert deposit process.
dub: 10btc is pretty cheap for 3 judges
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dub: even internet judges
dub: mircea_popescu: you eveil, evil state you
markedathome: what would the difference have been with something like judge.me?
mircea_popescu: basically this is a ruling saying "it is right and proper for people to disregard instructions and send anything they want to mpex"
jcpham: i do not agree with that
pigeons: no but it happens, especially with the weird deposit system
jcpham: i see your point, but based on the details of this case
pigeons: and when it does happen, and you've shown mpex that you made it error, they dont fix it, hence the rota decision
jurov: no. it is ruling saying "it is improper for mpex to keep everything if user makes a mistake"
jcpham: especially if the user sends the correct deposit
pigeons: mistakes dont happen mircea_popescu ?
markedathome: mircea_popescu: maybe offer, 1) anonymous deposit - lose at risk even with signed / authenticated ownership
mircea_popescu: not by those who we identify as "the man" in our misguided quest for social justice.
pigeons: mircea_popescu: actually, it was reasonable in this case to resolve his mistake, that was the ruling
dub: no, its a ruling saying 'if you are going to enter into arbitration regarding incorrect depost amounts, do that privately'
mircea_popescu: if that actually is the case, i should certainly dissolve it.
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dub: in a real court if you forced a case to be raised, then during the hearing capitualted to the other party, the court would probably impose an additional fine on you for wasting its time
mircea_popescu: no but wtf bs is this, "We are too good for the case at hand"
mircea_popescu: dub the idea here is to create a new system, not to rehash the old.
pigeons: dub: that is exactly how i felt
mircea_popescu: the entire point is to have voluntary courts, which is to say, courts which can be relied on to be fair. by both parties.
dub: well then the rota wasn't what I and apparently others thought
jcpham: fairness is a relative term
pigeons: it was fair to both parties, wences was made whole, mp lost nothing other than the fees
mircea_popescu: jcpham in no interpretation of fairness can you promote a judgement based on one single party's pov.
dub: I understand how mircea_popescu feels though
pigeons: mircea_popescu: that's absolutely the issue
dub: I took a guy to court for selling me a boat that leaked, the ruled in his favour because we didnt have anything about it not leaking in a contract
pigeons: any judgement involving mircea_popescu keeping something would have had to show he was being reasonable, and he wasn't
jcpham: i'd like to know where the original wording is.....
jurov: if i'd have a policy saying to clients "if you make a mistake, screw you" and there's no real reason why it has to be so, it's only reasonable the court would say "screw your policy"
jcpham: the orginal wording were it says mpex keeps funds mistakenly sent or incorrect in size
mircea_popescu: jurov no, it's not. the court isn't above the contract
mircea_popescu: again, this isn't fiat world and socialist government imposing it.
jcpham: i know it is somewhere
jcpham: because i remember readin it
mircea_popescu: DEPOSIT|{sum}, where the sum is an integer, written in BTC (note that you can not deposit less than 10 BTC). You will be quoted an exact sum, which you must send to the exchange address (1Fx3N5iFPDQxUKhhmDJqCMmi3U8Y7gSncx). Don't round anything, the decimals are there to identify you as the beneficiary. You will be credited the full amount.
pigeons: i thought about giving it to mp since he does say he keeps errors, but in law that wont hold up, thats not reasonable
jurov: the court isn't above the contract... who decided, you?
jurov: rota just decided else
pigeons: even if a contract spells that and this happened a court rules this way
jcpham: yes but i thought there was wording that said something along the lines of "if it is wrong, you do not get it back"
jcpham: which is a customer service nightmare
jcpham: if you relegate me to customer service, I'm going to serve your customers
mircea_popescu: turns out this banal case was actually incredibly fucking intricate huh.
jcpham: i wouldn't think so either
jcpham: i think everyone had the best intentions
mircea_popescu: but i squarely don't see how anyone would ever consider responding to a case, ever.
mircea_popescu: i mean, why ? run the risk of purely unilateral sidetaking... to what avail ? makes no sense.
jcpham: the next case may be unilateral against the claimant
pigeons: yeah you always run the risk of unilateral sidetaking
jcpham: the fees are the only way you have been harmed
pigeons: this was just clearcut mircea_popescu you owed him the money, he won, loser pays fees
jcpham: it seems the real precedent is the loser pays the fees
jcpham: but i don't like the winner/loser description
jcpham: it wasn't necessary to frame this case this way imho
pigeons: if another case it works out differently fine, that doesnt have to be a precedent, but in this case the fees were clearly incurred by mircea_popescu being unwilling to work out the issue despite having the facts beforehand
mircea_popescu: pigeons except the loser is the party that made no mistake.
jcpham: the implication is that the "mistake" was not returning the funds
jcpham: as quickly as possible
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jcpham: if the guy hadn't send the correct amount
jcpham: i can see him not getting his money back
pigeons: its pretty well established in law actually that you don't pay for mistakes
mircea_popescu: the court can't substitute its own moral judgements for the contract between the parties.
pigeons: he fulfilled his contract, sent the money, but he made a mistake
pigeons: you had the obligation to fix that for him
pigeons: well then how come you lost?
jcpham: i would seem that due to the lack of rules, the rota can make all sorts of WILDLY INACCURATE decisions
mircea_popescu: reading the above, i now regred i didn't more clearly stress the supremacy of contract point
mircea_popescu: i can clearly see in retrospect how this "obvious" point was only obvious to me.
pigeons: no but even a written contract saying that mistakes in deposits are kept would have resulted the same
pigeons: because the intent of the contract is obviously what's material
jcpham: i'm still looking for the actual wording on MPEX (now)
jcpham: where it says incorrect deposits are kept
jcpham: because this fact was discussed
pigeons: i knew this was policy, but in this particular case, it was reasonable that mircea_popescu credit the amount showed to have been sent
mircea_popescu: what's unreasonable tho, is to expect me to pay the costs of doing so.
markedathome: the /faq.html entry for DEPOSIT{sum} I thought would have had the same text as that of the command (in fact all of the commands should)
pigeons: which costs, your time was unavoidable here, but you didnt have to pay the fees if you settled before rota
jcpham: to be even more specific mircea_popescu
jcpham: I thought you had specifcs, like
jcpham: there was a sentence saying you didn't return deposits that were wrong
mircea_popescu: pigeons why would i "settle before the rota" ? what bs is that?
pigeons: because you had all the info we had
pigeons: why should this have gone to rota?
jcpham: i would like to re-read it if it still there
pigeons: only reason (other than bad faith wanting to promote rota) would be you didnt want to pay
mircea_popescu: Before sending the sum quoted you have to send an email containing at the very least the address you want benefits (through either the later exercise or sale of your contracts) forwarded to and the sum quoted to you. This allows you to be identified. If you fail to do this it may be impossible to ever identify you as the owner of the respective contracts/bitcoins, and so they may be forever lost.
pigeons: it shouldnt have gone to rota because he made it clear to you he paid the money
jcpham: i suggest a new irc channel for this discussion should it arise again
jcpham: possibly a new forum format
pigeons: im not doing a forum, but an irc channel agreed
jcpham: other than mircea_popescu's blog
pigeons: i cant read his blog it asks for a fee
jcpham: i'm dependant on google translate
jcpham: sorry i didn't know you switched
jcpham: but the case is in english
markedathome: rota peeps - faq q24, whilst not strictly mentioning deposits, isn't this also relevant?
mircea_popescu: 23. What will you do about stolen coins ? How will you help the rightful owner ?
mircea_popescu: By defition the rightful owner of any coins is "he who can send them". If you take issue with that, please stick to fiat. You are not ready for Bitcoin yet.
jcpham: my bad for not disabling google translate
mircea_popescu: thios was proofed like 8 times. STILL SPELLING ERRORS IN IT OMG
jcpham: Q23 was addressed markedathome
jcpham: it was never at question who the present owner of the 130 btc was
jcpham: the question was past ownership and fiduciary responsibility
jcpham: throwing the term "fiduciary responsibility" changes things
markedathome: I thought it was with two deposits of 130btc and only one order, along with not being able to sign with the originating key.
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jcpham: we had him sign from blockchain
mircea_popescu: DEPOSIT|{sum}, where the sum is an integer, written in BTC (note that you can not deposit less than 10 BTC). You will be quoted an exact sum, which you must send to the exchange address (1Fx3N5iFPDQxUKhhmDJqCMmi3U8Y7gSncx). Don't round anything, the decimals are there to identify you as the beneficiary. You will be credited the full amount. Incoming Bitcoin that doesn't exactly match a quoted sum will be simply kept, r
mircea_popescu: eported as profits and distributed to MPEx shareholders.
jcpham: and it has now been re-added
jcpham: i have the type of memory where i read things and usually cannot forget them
jcpham: that sentence was there at one point in time
jcpham: a similarly worded sentence
jcpham: it would've been the first incarnation of any site you debuted
jcpham: because i read it then
markedathome: jcpham: the q5 syntax deposit doesn't have that addition, the output of the command did.
jcpham: i think if you go out of your way to make that sentence known
jcpham: not to me, not searchable in the faq to the public
jcpham: i was peronally aware of the idea of it, yes
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 134 @ 0.00061495 = 0.0824 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26149 @ 0.00061508 = 16.0837 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: Jan 05 22:13:53 <mircea_popescu> BUT! FOR SRS! I AM KEEPING ROUNDED SUMS! NOOBS BEWARE!
markedathome: doesn't have mpex deposit so would be difficult to find?
jcpham: oh my bad for missing that sentence on January 5th at 10pm
markedathome: I think that it does show that the rota needs to have area of jusrisdiction and contracts specifically stated, either in the case, the rota site/faq and in nominating the selection of the judges
mircea_popescu: yeah but a large part of the appeal was the philosophical purity of its general open nature
mircea_popescu: once you start trying to prop things with fiat-type arches you'll collapse in fiat mess.
markedathome: then isn't that the jurisdiction, and should be used as the basis? and if so which if any of the ruling matched?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14300 @ 0.00061132 = 8.7419 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 450 @ 0.00061109 = 0.275 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.5231 = 1.0462 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17313 @ 0.00061508 = 10.6489 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.52 = 1.56 BTC [-]
dub: mircea_popescu: just because it didn't go your way doesn't mean that didnt happen
dub: philosophical purity
mircea_popescu: well obviously a one case of anything is about as meaningless as any other one case of something else
mircea_popescu: for that matter, expectign people to be thrown in a pond supposed to be above and beyond the collected wisdom of a good third of all humans that ever lived is also a bit off.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6038 @ 0.00061508 = 3.7139 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10962 @ 0.00061536 = 6.7456 BTC [+]
dub: again because the 'wisdom' does not suit you, its not invalid
dub: the judges ruled that their time was wasted with triviality
dub: sure it is, they do in 'fiat' courts every day
dub: in fact, judges do whatever it is they feel like, by exposing your internal process to a court of judges you accepted that
mircea_popescu: ahaha! wait, wait. these verdicts, they fail to include payment addresses.
mircea_popescu: jcpham someone will sooner or later have to lift the messy rock of btc courts.
mircea_popescu: it's going to be messy, and it's going to be a waste of everyone's time.
Namworld: So, can I use the rota for GIGA.ETF...
Namworld: I don't know. Who's in the rota? How do I start anything?
Namworld: I'll try and find the link I guess
mircea_popescu: normally i would have loved to say yes, but under the circumstances i don't see myself signing.
mircea_popescu: bullshit "claimant is always right and mp is annoying and rich" judgements i don't need a court for, they're a dime a dozen.
jcpham: the judgement wasn't bullshit
jcpham: it makes you look like a fucking angel
mircea_popescu: hey, you judge the case, i judge your judgement. seems logical neh ?
mircea_popescu: that's the first roll. iirc there's a link to the very short contitution in it
jcpham: the link is in there to the proposal
jcpham: still like that word with the a-
pigeons: wow great contract on that one
jcpham: you know i had too google the correct spelling of it
jcpham: when i intentiaonally mispelled it
mircea_popescu: If any votes are held on the underlieing asset then (if practical) a motion will
jcpham: fwiw i have 0 business relationship with any asset or exchange
jcpham: or any other rota member
pigeons: except i pay you to clean my house topless
jurov: lol i realized i can't enter rota even if i wanted
jurov: i'd rule "let mircea screw them, so they prefer coinbr"
jcpham: i cannot benefit from any of this
jcpham: in any way that i'm aware of
dub: you can benefit of the peoples love
jcpham: can i do the queen victoria wave
jcpham: all my assets defuncted themselves
dub: all judges should submit photo wearing silly wig
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.01 BTC [+]
dub: and optionally, gavel in pooper
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 118 @ 0.00061536 = 0.0726 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5382 @ 0.00061577 = 3.3141 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 16.59819, Best ask: 16.61113, Bid-ask spread: 0.01294, Last trade: 16.56000, 24 hour volume: 59746.03234632, 24 hour low: 15.63412, 24 hour high: 16.98000, 24 hour vwap: 16.33564
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11933 @ 0.00061577 = 7.348 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9533 @ 0.00061607 = 5.873 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17819 @ 0.00061634 = 10.9826 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5150 @ 0.00061664 = 3.1757 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5465 @ 0.00061701 = 3.372 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 100 @ 0.01 = 1 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.0005984 / 0.000611 / 0.0006312 (1842132 shares, 1,125.55 BTC), 7D: 0.0005984 / 0.00065049 / 0.00068 (8831436 shares, 5,744.80 BTC), 30D: 0.0005984 / 0.00064537 / 0.00068 (38743215 shares, 25,004.04 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13069 @ 0.00061466 = 8.033 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 16.75201, Best ask: 16.83000, Bid-ask spread: 0.07799, Last trade: 16.75201, 24 hour volume: 61105.12354761, 24 hour low: 15.63412, 24 hour high: 16.98000, 24 hour vwap: 16.35490
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 281 @ 0.00061466 = 0.1727 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19150 @ 0.00061109 = 11.7024 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5330 @ 0.00061 = 3.2513 BTC [-]
gribble: 206.241.0.249 -
http://webchat.freenode.net (cef100f9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.241.0.249) has been on server rowling.freenode.net since 02:06 PM, January 21, 2013 (idle for 56 seconds) and is on #bitcoin-assets.
gribble: Nick 'Bugpowder', with hostmask 'Bugpowder!cef100f9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.241.0.249', is not identified.
assbot: [BTCTC] [SYNERGY] 1 @ 0.1101 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [SYNERGY] 5 @ 0.11 = 0.55 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [SYNERGY] 2 @ 0.1002 = 0.2004 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: ;;gpg everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:2af6c752ee03725e9cd95f947a421ec295b32d320671c8ed12788e38
gribble: Error: In order to authenticate, you must be present in one of the following channels: #bitcoin-otc;#bitcoin-otc-foyer;#bitcoin-otc-ru;#bitcoin-otc-eu;#bitcoin-otc-uk;#bitcoin-otc-bans
pizzaman1337: what do you think it'll reach before it crashes?
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 16.75001, Best ask: 16.79999, Bid-ask spread: 0.04998, Last trade: 16.75001, 24 hour volume: 61150.26465286, 24 hour low: 15.63412, 24 hour high: 16.98000, 24 hour vwap: 16.35861
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 4 @ 0.4 = 1.6 BTC [+]
Namworld: It raise, raise, raise. Everyone panic buys... suddenly a big roller says "Time to cash in" and sells 300k bitcoins.
Namworld: All the little buyers lose confidence
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17350 @ 0.00061633 = 10.6933 BTC [+]
gribble: Time since last block: 44 minutes and 39 seconds
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4496 @ 0.00061348 = 2.7582 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.53 = 1.59 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.545 = 5.45 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.56 = 1.12 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4557 @ 0.00061 = 2.7798 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7689 @ 0.00060859 = 4.6794 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3954 @ 0.00060287 = 2.3837 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.56 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 175 @ 0.01 = 1.75 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14404 @ 0.00061105 = 8.8016 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11946 @ 0.00061276 = 7.32 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1354 @ 0.00060358 = 0.8172 BTC [-]
gribble: Current Blocks: 217484 | Current Difficulty: 3249549.5844872 | Next Difficulty At Block: 217727 | Next Difficulty In: 243 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 20 hours, 24 minutes, and 54 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 2952678.64006960 | Estimated Percent Change: -9.1357567164
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2649 @ 0.00061295 = 1.6237 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 461 @ 0.00060287 = 0.2779 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18000 @ 0.00060124 = 10.8223 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6685 @ 0.00060072 = 4.0158 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7515 @ 0.00060072 = 4.5144 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18959 @ 0.00060065 = 11.3877 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7800 @ 0.00060199 = 4.6955 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: jurov: "Obama Begins Inauguration Festivities With Ceremonial Drone Flyover"
dub: third judge weighs in on the rota decision
dub: a better result for mp
mod6: yeah. that looks like what I was thinking it should be there abouts
dub: heh trend once again blocking buttcointalk
dub: The latest tests indicate that this URL contains malicious software or could defraud visitors.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4041 @ 0.00060065 = 2.4272 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15849 @ 0.00059969 = 9.5045 BTC [-]
mod6: i was actually thinking like 1% so like 128.7
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 2 @ 0.009 = 0.018 BTC [+]
mod6: !ticker mpex s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.0005984 / 0.0006098 / 0.0006312 (1887780 shares, 1,151.18 BTC), 7D: 0.0005984 / 0.00064965 / 0.00068 (9003906 shares, 5,849.43 BTC), 30D: 0.0005984 / 0.00064526 / 0.00068 (38827780 shares, 25,054.16 BTC)
pigeons: yeah record lows are about 100 times lower
mod6: and recently there has been a lot of buying
mod6: wasn't there like a block of 10`000`000 at .00062 and .00064 and .00066?
mod6: anyway, ups and downs right?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1400 @ 0.00527831 = 7.3896 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2850 @ 0.00527441 = 15.0321 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 704 @ 0.00524041 = 3.6892 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 511 @ 0.0051752 = 2.6445 BTC [-]
jcpham: mircea_popescu i've thought about this more and i think you should simply monetize mistakes
jcpham: make it your perogative to have the first say on refunds and charge a fee
jcpham: to whatever degree makes the mistake fun for you
jcpham: 10btc for any returned funds isn't complex
jcpham: i would. it would be what i'd gain from this
jcpham: the right to profit from any and all refunds
mircea_popescu: A novel attack against bitcoin What if someone were to put illegal information into the blockchain itself? Top secret information or magnet links for example.
mircea_popescu: what if someone were to put a novel in the blockchain ?
jcpham: can information be illegal
jcpham: a blog post denouncing the rota an implementation of the new returned funds fee to protect yourself should suffice ;)
mircea_popescu: so far i'm out what, 150btcs in salaries + all the promotional effort, to make someting
mircea_popescu: and the solution proposed is to tear it down and make something else, this time carefulyl curatedf from the general community ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26800 @ 0.00060199 = 16.1333 BTC [+]
jcpham: it was not my intention to shit on you
jcpham: lots of places charge a fee to return money
jcpham: penalize the act of return
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22208 @ 0.00060199 = 13.369 BTC [+]
jcpham: it's like bouncing a check and i think you should insulate yourself from it
mircea_popescu: i'm just gonna insist that peeps step up, take btc seriously etc.
mircea_popescu: but the bounced cheque comparison is possibly valuable. i don't imagine anyone with a bounced cheque failed to argue he made a mistake
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26400 @ 0.00060172 = 15.8854 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1251 @ 0.00059969 = 0.7502 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3199 @ 0.00059945 = 1.9176 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19642 @ 0.00060199 = 11.8243 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13176 @ 0.00061402 = 8.0903 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1682 @ 0.00061633 = 1.0367 BTC [+]
jcpham: i think it is a good argument to have and you should have first choice in returning funds
jcpham: and, if it is your intention to make mistakes punitive in nature
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 230 @ 0.00100006 = 0.23 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.4 = 0.8 BTC [+]
smickles: jcpham: so you guys got that wences btc signature to verify?
pigeons: yes i used blockchain.info
smickles: musta been a newline issue for me
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.0006036 = 6.7 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 300 @ 0.01 = 3 BTC [+]
pigeons: inaba says, "If they are going to take several weeks to ship a mere 300 units, only the first few people will ever see a ROI on their units. "
pigeons: presumably somehow bfl customers are fine
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 16.83431, Best ask: 16.90000, Bid-ask spread: 0.06569, Last trade: 16.83431, 24 hour volume: 53490.63449020, 24 hour low: 15.87500, 24 hour high: 16.98000, 24 hour vwap: 16.55290
dub: the alternative, everyone gets one and nobody recoups
Bugpowder: its going to be nobody or everybody
Bugpowder: nobody is going to make any money on asics
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13644 @ 0.0006036 = 8.2355 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7096 @ 0.00061557 = 4.3681 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14300 @ 0.00061557 = 8.8027 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: Sometimes it feels like this wall will NEVER come down... -Berlin, December 1961. Also, tonight looking at clark moody
mircea_popescu: buffett has a very nice piece explaining the economics of capital intensive businesses
mircea_popescu: But the promised benefits from these textile investments were
mircea_popescu: illusory. Many of our competitors, both domestic and foreign,
mircea_popescu: were stepping up to the same kind of expenditures and, once
mircea_popescu: enough companies did so, their reduced costs became the baseline
mircea_popescu: for reduced prices industrywide. Viewed individually, each com-
mircea_popescu: pany's capital investment decision appeared cost-effective and ra-
mircea_popescu: tional; viewed collectively, the decisions neutralized each other and
mircea_popescu: were irrational Gust as happens when each person watching a
mircea_popescu: parade decides he can see a little better if he stands on tiptoes).
mircea_popescu: After each round of investment, all the players had more money in
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.00059946 = 4.1962 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9371 @ 0.00059945 = 5.6174 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: The basic economic ideas of supply and demand are useful in thinking about capturing value. The common insight is that market equilibrium is where supply and demand intersect. When you analyze a business under this framework, you get one of two options: perfect competition or monopoly.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8000 @ 0.00060528 = 4.8422 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 2 @ 0.34 = 0.68 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7086 @ 0.00060433 = 4.2823 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34341 @ 0.00060528 = 20.7859 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1400 @ 0.00530232 = 7.4232 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6973 @ 0.00060528 = 4.2206 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10227 @ 0.00060629 = 6.2005 BTC [+]
gribble: Nick 'mircea_popescu', with hostmask 'mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu', is not identified.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 241 @ 0.00530232 = 1.2779 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2059 @ 0.00534347 = 11.0022 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:adf2d557a738009c9237a79f6f8a8e12147b116ae1b36e362323a298
gribble: You are now authenticated for user mircea_popescu with key 8A736F0E2FB7B452
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user pigeons has changed from 3 to -1.
Namworld: You should simply not accept rota for such cases.
Namworld: But you may want to be forgiving in specific cases. Example: amount looks almost accurate.
Namworld: Where two numbers are reversed or one was missing.
Namworld: An occasional typo can popup, which doesn't mean the person didn't read the instructions.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33600 @ 0.0006 = 20.16 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ya well what can i say. bitcoin stuff needs certainties.
Namworld: No sane jurisdiction allows people to keep funds that were mis-sent/mis-placed to top it.
Namworld: Irreversible? Maybe. Technically if someone hands you six 20 bills instead of 5 for a 100 payment, it's also irreversible if the other person doesn't hand it over. Both would require forcing the other party to give it back.
mircea_popescu: myeah. absent the possibility of a legal system it'll be interesting how that'll work.
mircea_popescu: i guess smarter people will find a solution at some point.
mircea_popescu: but yes, this IS horrible news for bitcoin in general.
Namworld: But the fact the usual can hardly not be legally enforced is no reason to not try to apply them. So long as the legislation in question makes sense.
Namworld: It seems to me misplaced/mis-sent funds would apply.
mircea_popescu: i'm really not open to publicly discussing mpex policies anymore. they are what they are and that's that.
Namworld: I like discussing such things tho
Namworld: I'll have to find something else to spend my idle time.
Namworld: We're pretty much done for today @ BitVPS
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1014 @ 0.00060629 = 0.6148 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27486 @ 0.00060749 = 16.6975 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: i'd have liked it too, but it's just not practical. mtgox keeps people's money fgor months/takes whatever out of it/etc,
mircea_popescu: they piss on the public and guess what ? i'm the one idiot discussing it, so im the only idiot getting it in the teeth.
mircea_popescu: well... there's limits to being an idiot. it's actually much cheaper to be mtgox.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1432 @ 0.00060749 = 0.8699 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7668 @ 0.00060834 = 4.6648 BTC [+]
Namworld: I'll assume MtGox did that too considering the context
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20082 @ 0.00060834 = 12.2167 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5950 @ 0.00060873 = 3.6219 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 438 @ 0.00060979 = 0.2671 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8800 @ 0.00060734 = 5.3446 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16400 @ 0.0006 = 9.84 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15625 @ 0.00059754 = 9.3366 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 428 @ 0.00523613 = 2.2411 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5475 @ 0.00059754 = 3.2715 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5505 @ 0.00059599 = 3.2809 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8900 @ 0.00059597 = 5.3041 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8355 @ 0.00059541 = 4.9747 BTC [-]
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: Awww.. :-( So what makes you think there was collaboration going on?
mircea_popescu: that doesn't change the fact that if i let things stand i can wake up tomorrow to 5000 fresh cases.
dub: explain again how they get more than they put in?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00517521 = 5.1752 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1389 @ 0.0051752 = 7.1884 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2500 @ 0.0051751 = 12.9378 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1882 @ 0.00516178 = 9.7145 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3000 @ 0.00514265 = 15.428 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2981 @ 0.00512168 = 15.2677 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1400 @ 0.00511613 = 7.1626 BTC [-]
dub: well yeah teh judges can game it
dub: mircea_popescu: s/passive/losing
mircea_popescu: passive party can never be held to pay more than it received.
mircea_popescu: well if passive = losing then you have an extraction engine going
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: Why was there even a "suit"? Why couldn't you just settle prior to the case and give him back his money?
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic because i'm the sort of idiot who tries to build people and institutions.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9050 @ 0.00061514 = 5.567 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12950 @ 0.00060874 = 7.8832 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 17.20002, Best ask: 17.22569, Bid-ask spread: 0.02567, Last trade: 17.22570, 24 hour volume: 60692.49067912, 24 hour low: 16.49111, 24 hour high: 17.59000, 24 hour vwap: 16.93719
assbot: [HAVELOCK:SDICE] 1D: 0.51000000 / 0.52959158 / 0.56000000 (95 shares, 50.31120000 BTC), 7D: 0.48000000 / 0.52212476 / 0.62000000 (719 shares, 375.40769990 BTC), 30D: 0.37000000 / 0.46375606 / 0.62000000 (3994 shares, 1852.24169988 BTC)
assbot: The vision of Christ that thou dost see ... is my vision's greatest enemy.
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00507549 / 0.0052209 / 0.0053558 (49853 shares, 260.28 BTC), 7D: 0.00454703 / 0.00485844 / 0.00598999 (1457136 shares, 7,079.42 BTC), 30D: 0.00325183 / 0.00415694 / 0.00598999 (9482976 shares, 39,420.23 BTC)
Korbman: seems to be pretty on par so far
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.3799 = 0.7598 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9424 @ 0.00061464 = 5.7924 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: im looking into which media ill choose for propagating bets
turbo_ac100: anyway I really like bbet. and more so than betsofbitco.in ;)
turbo_ac100: Yeah I'm buying shares passthrough on litecoinglobal right now
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11500 @ 0.00061938 = 7.1229 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6477 @ 0.00062613 = 4.0554 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15073 @ 0.00062676 = 9.4472 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13564 @ 0.00062739 = 8.5099 BTC [+]
turbo_ac100: Well, where I normally read news is RSS and to a lesser degree twitter. So for me it would add one extra source of news inlet.
jcpham: if anyone killed your baby mircea_popescu i did
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 190 @ 0.00521999 = 0.9918 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 1 @ 0.13 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 3 @ 0.0055 = 0.0165 BTC [-]
jurov: wonders any bitcoin ponzi will return 4.5%
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 17.33000, Best ask: 17.33997, Bid-ask spread: 0.00997, Last trade: 17.33997, 24 hour volume: 56259.11066762, 24 hour low: 16.51001, 24 hour high: 17.59000, 24 hour vwap: 16.96477
jcpham: 24 hour gox volume seems to hold from day to day too
smickles: the last time this happened, there was some horrible news brewing that crashed the rally
smickles: it's close to an identical rise on the chart too
mircea_popescu: well i guess we have bfl as a potential... tho i doubt they'll announce anything.
smickles: a bunch of the 'technicals' are different tho
smickles: but i bring it up because that was a bad news event on a significant (relatively) quick rise
smickles: what was the final precursor last time? a bunch of puts bought, calls sold?
mircea_popescu: there was large open call interest since early days of month
mircea_popescu: then calls sold as the drop happened and puts covered/going long
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00062885 = 6.8545 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14400 @ 0.00062885 = 9.0554 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9000 @ 0.00062885 = 5.6597 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 17.39501, Best ask: 17.39900, Bid-ask spread: 0.00399, Last trade: 17.39900, 24 hour volume: 56302.89909831, 24 hour low: 16.51001, 24 hour high: 17.59000, 24 hour vwap: 16.97526
pigeons: Now I withdrew from mtgox a long time ago \ Don't you see how late they're reactin' \ They only come and they come when they wanna
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22683 @ 0.00062875 = 14.2619 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8517 @ 0.00062066 = 5.2862 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3867 @ 0.00062885 = 2.4318 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16883 @ 0.00062913 = 10.6216 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5450 @ 0.00062913 = 3.4288 BTC [+]
Korbman: Not yet...I figured people would start getting them next week, though it depends on how they shipped
jurov: not even tracking numbers available
jurov: lol, DIY kit would be better
Korbman: I've got mixed feeling about a giant 400w steel box running only 66GH/s..
Korbman: I suppose that's the result of 110nm processes
mircea_popescu: Korbman you'd prefer a fan box running inaba's hot air ?
Korbman: Ha, for the sake of argument let's pretend everyone ships
mircea_popescu: that box actually looks like the custom power unit i had for my old z80
Diablo-D3: 110nm is too low for original ones though
Diablo-D3: they're very popular for 8 bit microcontrollers
Korbman: early Z80 was 4 micrometers
Diablo-D3: its a 8080 clone with 8086ish features tacked on
mircea_popescu: anyway, this was like 1988 and shit, not the early zilogs
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: btw, I think they still make 6502s too
mircea_popescu: i wonder if bfl next step, after tackling the android miner market, is to make z80 miner software.
jurov: so, asics scams may burst the upcoming bubble
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37833 @ 0.00062066 = 23.4814 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: if it was late 80s, it could have been 1000nm
Diablo-D3: 350 didnt become into existence until 1995
Diablo-D3: 1500 came into existence in 1982, 1000 in 1985, 800 in 1989
Diablo-D3: which means orginal z80s and 6502s and whatnot would have been that size
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: he only gets it right for original gen ones
Diablo-D3: you didnt have an original gen one
jurov: seems nothign is inside
jurov: okay, now calibrate youe eyes and try to look between its blades
Diablo-D3: I thought you meant an empty fan slot
Korbman: don't thank me, thank google haha
Diablo-D3: wikipedia has an entire article on the fab process
kakobrekla: if micon is in the wiki, fab process will be too.
Diablo-D3: well Ive never came across it before
Diablo-D3: well, it depends how well packed they make that
Diablo-D3: jurov: btw, that might not be empty
jurov: at least why there is so much light? looks like whole rear side isn't there
Diablo-D3: well, if its an empty psu slot, you know how big atx slots are
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11550 @ 0.00061521 = 7.1057 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19050 @ 0.00061505 = 11.7167 BTC [-]
jcpham: i bet a pre-order one in the next round
Korbman: but look at how the light reflects in on the furthest fan as well
Korbman: the case doesn't seem to have a backing
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.5499998 BTC [-]
Korbman: BFL pulled the same empty case stunt, and I don't really care that it's empty to begin with. It's just there to try and appease some of the people looking for pics
mircea_popescu: im not entirely sure what'd appease them. maybe one of those go-pro cams attached to an employee's head
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6819 @ 0.00061592 = 4.2 BTC [+]
Korbman: ha, probably not even that
mircea_popescu: cause it wouldn't work in the toilet, right ? so it'd be clearly shenanigans there.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 17.37001, Best ask: 17.44300, Bid-ask spread: 0.07299, Last trade: 17.37001, 24 hour volume: 56123.22404659, 24 hour low: 16.51001, 24 hour high: 17.59000, 24 hour vwap: 17.01255
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2621 @ 0.00521998 = 13.6816 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 4 @ 0.0052 = 0.0208 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 5 @ 0.0051 = 0.0255 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 10 @ 0.005 = 0.05 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.0049 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 9 @ 0.0049 = 0.0441 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 10 @ 0.0049 = 0.049 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 10 @ 0.0048 = 0.048 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 451 @ 0.0046 = 2.0746 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28781 @ 0.00061592 = 17.7268 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8100 @ 0.00061505 = 4.9819 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 376 @ 0.00061464 = 0.2311 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22599 @ 0.0006141 = 13.878 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11900 @ 0.00060874 = 7.244 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3652 @ 0.00060809 = 2.2207 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2748 @ 0.00060809 = 1.671 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12300 @ 0.00060807 = 7.4793 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14212 @ 0.00060796 = 8.6403 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8590 @ 0.00060483 = 5.1955 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: Operating expenses were minimal in 2012 and the company also paid monthly bitcoin dividends to ‘public’ shareholders which represent 10% of the total 100,000,000 outstanding shares. To invest in the operator and bet on the house, SatoshiDice shares are traded on the MPEx bitcoin stock exchange under ticker symbol S.DICE (see August 19th, 2012 Prospectus). At the current exchange rate of $17.00 per BTC, SatoshiDice
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9450 @ 0.00061878 = 5.8475 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34100 @ 0.00061925 = 21.1164 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2200 @ 0.00521998 = 11.484 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8565 @ 0.00060483 = 5.1804 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13235 @ 0.00060413 = 7.9957 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23050 @ 0.00060702 = 13.9918 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2341 @ 0.00521997 = 12.2199 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28736 @ 0.00060702 = 17.4433 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11550 @ 0.00060783 = 7.0204 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40670 @ 0.00060702 = 24.6875 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3881 @ 0.00060413 = 2.3446 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3652 @ 0.00060354 = 2.2041 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 17.50000, Best ask: 17.50001, Bid-ask spread: 0.00001, Last trade: 17.56066, 24 hour volume: 57362.31021214, 24 hour low: 16.51001, 24 hour high: 17.59000, 24 hour vwap: 17.04055
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22250 @ 0.00060354 = 13.4288 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 84 @ 0.009 = 0.756 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 100 @ 0.0091 = 0.91 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 100 @ 0.0092 = 0.92 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 22 @ 0.0092 = 0.2024 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6343 @ 0.00060658 = 3.8475 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4650 @ 0.00060783 = 2.8264 BTC [+]
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: You should file for a change of venue next time. #bitcoin-court! :-)
mircea_popescu: i think i'm done with experiments in the people range.
mircea_popescu: i think the best way forward is if one of the lawschools does a summer project for this
mircea_popescu: it's just not practical to conscript people off the street for playing the legal scholar.
midnightmagic: Actually, that's exactly what happens with justices of the peace.
midnightmagic: Arbitration and Mediation, conflict resolution, are all handled by people who two warring parties trust.
mircea_popescu: this wasn't supposed to be neither arbitration nor mediation tho.
midnightmagic: It is less.. what legal authority could it have possibly exerted?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3357 @ 0.00060886 = 2.0439 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00060355 = 3.0178 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3198 @ 0.00060354 = 1.9301 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6345 @ 0.00060335 = 3.8283 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8655 @ 0.00061156 = 5.2931 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: well, to trust someone means to believe they act in a certain way.
mircea_popescu: i can currently make no prediction whatever. that means no trust.
jcpham: ;;rated mircea_popescu
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midnightmagic: Did you go into the "suit" believing people would decide to let you keep the overage?
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midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: Perhaps I am misunderstanding. Someone accidentally sent you too much bitcoin, right?
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: You told them to sue you for it in court?
jcpham: and then sent 10 more btc
jcpham: and then sent he correct amount
mircea_popescu: a. no. i specifically went into the suit as an alternative to the "i simply keep it" rule in force.
mircea_popescu: so no. if anything, i went into the suit so as NOT to have to keep it.
mircea_popescu: the judges ruled that anyone can take any ammount of money from mpex at any time at their option.
jcpham: we ruled he pay the fee
jcpham: if a rota member tries it and i'm nominated i'm going to take their funds
jcpham: and suggest they be replaced
midnightmagic: Here's how I understand it. The judges get paid a fee. 3 x 3 BTC (for three judges.) Everything else ended up with its rightful owner, correct?
jcpham: maybe in this future case that doesn't exist
jcpham: but not in the case that just transpired
jcpham: also fuck you for still talking about this
mircea_popescu: im not even, midnightmagic is as usual late to the parties lol
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic there's 130 btc that was missent. this was returned.
mircea_popescu: there's 10 btc paid by the op and 10 btc paid by mpex. out of these 20, judges get 9, prevailing party gets 10.
dub: thats the way you designed it
midnightmagic: Nobody's really giving me a straight answer. Perhaps it only seems like I'm late because I have to wring the truth out of people.
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic what srsly ? what straight answer is missing ?
dub: midnightmagic: sounds like you had it right
jcpham: i provided good suggestion to avoid this edge-case
midnightmagic: "the judges ruled that anyone can take any ammount of money from mpex at any time at their option." <-- this is the same, logically, as A-> ? ->C. I'm just trying to find the progression.
jcpham: an edgecase of honest people
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic but have you read the description of the problem ?
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: I thought I had. And then to get confirmation I've been asking people, and nobody, yourself included, can tell me why you're so upset.
dub: mircea_popescu: if you had stuck to your rule I'd side with you, but you changed your mind after making him use the rota
dub: or at least thats what it looks like
dub: the "I keep it" rule
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: The pigeons negrating wasn't the actions of a man who's upset?
mircea_popescu: well i guess it depends. dead babies are supposed to be funny.
midnightmagic: Usually funny dead babies are accompanied by a punchline.
midnightmagic: Actually finding dead babies in a trash can? Not so much..
jcpham: i bet eskimobob is orgasming
midnightmagic: It *sounds* as though you discovered a hole in the logic of the case, in that there's no real way to determine judge and party collusion.
dub: jcpham: without doubt he's been slojacking fro the last 24 hours
mircea_popescu: the problem is the judges (unwittingly, i am sure) indemnified the active party
pigeons: that's ridiculous, there is no whole, if mircea_popescu is afraid of losing court fees he can just credit the original deposit
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: Okay, okay. So what were you *hoping* for out of the case? That the judges wouldn't take their fees and all the money gets split evenly so nobody's out?
mircea_popescu: more generally, the rota can never work, in practice, because normal, honest, well meaning people have no way to reliably avoid falling in such tarpits.
dub: midnightmagic: I get that he was hoping to win and then benevolently refund the other guy
mircea_popescu: im not hoping for anything. teh case is resolved, it has shown the system to not be workable, that's what it is.
dub: mircea_popescu: why did you enter into arbitration during the case then?
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: What result *would* have made you say, "the system works"
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic the thing suggested in my argument, ie, 92.x% award. person gets his 130, has to pay fee.
dub: mircea_popescu: sure you did, you asked him to prove that the txn was his by signing somethign with the key
pigeons: mircea_popescu: people aren't so much criticizing you as trying to understand your thinking
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: The whole fee? Like the judges fee?
dub: mircea_popescu: well to onlookers such as myself thats exactly what it is
mircea_popescu: dub i do not know why. i was being stewardly, i guess. trying to help the person along, because otherwise
jcpham: i provided excellent suggestions on how to avoid this and i think mircea_popescu has sufficiently CYA'd for the next case of mistaken funds
mircea_popescu: if i just said "fiogure it out" i doubt he;d have ever found his way rthrough in time
jcpham: no there is just drama
jcpham: i'm going to go kill myself now
dub: mircea_popescu: one of the key aspects of legality is intent, you actions inferred the intent to refund him
Bugpowder: I just assumed this was all an MP scheme to get the Rota off the ground and produce credibility that MP was not pulling the strings.
midnightmagic: Okay, then let me answer your earlier criticism: I am not late to the party after all. :-) Thank you. I'm just trying to understand.
mircea_popescu: dub there's no discussion of intent of deeds and acts made during trial.
dub: mircea_popescu: if you actually re-read teh comments with a neutral eye, it actually looks like the rota worked perfectly
pigeons: him spelling all that out made me feel why didn't he just go ahead and refund in the first place
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder not exactly a scheme, and not to that, no. it was more of a, let them drive see what they do.
pigeons: yeah i htink mircea_popescu is pretending to be upset to make people more likely to see oh the rota isnt biased to mpex, let's use it
mircea_popescu: i will be extremely surprised if anyone actually uses it.
pigeons: no one would ever have used it had you won
jcpham: i can only imagine how bad it'll be when an actual mistake is made
jcpham: i wish your glass were half full on this
midnightmagic: alright, my curiosity is satisfied. Thanks mircea_popescu. I'm sorry I keep persisting beyond the point normal people would.
pigeons: you're not the only one confused midnightmagic
jcpham: but in a decisive way.
jcpham: i rarely second guess myself
midnightmagic: It's too bad you're deciding to simply keep misspent bitcoins now, though.
pigeons: you second guess having the prevailing plantiff's fees returned?
jcpham: i second guess a normal decison that makes sense
jcpham: we should came up with some crazy ruling
jcpham: and kept all the coins
jcpham: i'd feel a lot better about that today
midnightmagic: Okay, lunchtime. :) brb soon as the sante fe rice my wife made is nuked!
dub: I too am excited about lunch
mircea_popescu: the old "is it better to have tried and failed or to not have tried at all" discussion huh.
dub: raw fish slain by my own hand
mircea_popescu: im excited about watching a film, so we reconvene once everyone's deexcited lol
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 100 @ 0.0088 = 0.88 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 59 @ 0.0089 = 0.5251 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21839 @ 0.00061156 = 13.3559 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11606 @ 0.00061894 = 7.1834 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16700 @ 0.00061925 = 10.3415 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20567 @ 0.00061941 = 12.7394 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.00062078 = 3.7247 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16488 @ 0.00062092 = 10.2377 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2550 @ 0.00517014 = 13.1839 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 450 @ 0.0051843 = 2.3329 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 20 @ 0.548 = 10.96 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 11 @ 0.548 = 6.028 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 7 @ 0.549999 = 3.85 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 450 @ 0.0051843 = 2.3329 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1550 @ 0.00521997 = 8.091 BTC [+]
dub: typically there is pr0n in google images for santa fe rice
dub: looks pretty good though, the food that is
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 20 @ 0.548 = 10.96 BTC [-]
dub: kinda like a beaner pilaf
jurov: so, beware the hole in mpex foyer everyone :D
Bugpowder: "Altogether, Avalon’s first batch is expected to contribute a total of 18 TH/s to the Bitcoin network – about eighty percent of the network’s entire hash power at the time of Avalon’s shipping."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13212 @ 0.00062092 = 8.2036 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: some real cat and mouse shit going on with the bid/asks right now
dub: jurov: thats fine imo, we're in the wild west, there is no low requiring fenced holes
dub: jurov: if a shop wants to make it very dangerous to go in and buy something, while its at odds with having customers, I don't have a problem with it
dub: jurov: at any rate its good for coinbr!
jurov: i don't want to argue about it. just that i found the whole philosophy of placing pitfalls without a good reason just cause this is free country ... er.. lacking
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5688 @ 0.00062267 = 3.5417 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15212 @ 0.00060309 = 9.1742 BTC [-]
dub: well theres certainly a questionable service paradigm there, if the aim is bringing in more business
dub: but thats not unexpected here
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11815 @ 0.00062269 = 7.3571 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK:SDICE] 1D: 0.51000000 / 0.53911573 / 0.56000000 (114 shares, 61.45919280 BTC), 7D: 0.48000000 / 0.54273436 / 0.62000000 (547 shares, 296.87569270 BTC), 30D: 0.37000000 / 0.46498635 / 0.62000000 (4053 shares, 1884.58969268 BTC)
jurov: and it isn't necessarily good for coinbr..next time some lunatic decides to call statjson 10x in second and mircea decides to add a fee to it
jurov: or otherwise drop a hammer
dub: yes but thats not a new problem
jurov: ofc. but such kind of "solutions" unnerves me.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6127 @ 0.00062913 = 3.8547 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8395 @ 0.00062971 = 5.2864 BTC [+]
dub: I'm not even sure how to send an exact amount of bitcoins myself
dub: doesn't seem to be any way to reliably predict the fee
jurov: do you use a client that subtracts the fee from sent amount? O_o
dub: I use bitcoind which I thing does that yes
jurov: you do sendtoaddress <address> 0.12345678
jurov: and it does send it exactly
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 13 @ 0.54999979 = 7.15 BTC [+]
dub: righto, I am mistaken
dub: (sure I've hit this problem before but I don't have access to txn history at the moment
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.5499998 = 2.2 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.555 = 1.665 BTC [+]
jurov: and if you have less than 0.12345678 + fee in the wallet it disallows you to send anything
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5285 @ 0.0006228 = 3.2915 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19307 @ 0.0006174 = 11.9201 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8575 @ 0.0006105 = 5.235 BTC [-]
dub: unsure where I got this misconception from, but I've been overpaying people to compensate for a while :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 5000 @ 0.00521996 = 26.0998 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 5 @ 0.6985 = 3.4925 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 13 @ 0.53 = 6.89 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 7 @ 0.53 = 3.71 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 4 @ 0.34 = 1.36 BTC [+]
Namworld: Anyone would be willing to lend some BTCTC assets? I'm looking into short selling
kakobrekla: are you trying to pull mp on someone else
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9602 @ 0.00062015 = 5.9547 BTC [+]
Namworld: Well I'd probably offer better terms than you on contracts.
mircea_popescu: actually i imagine that'll become quite the lucrative market in the future.
mircea_popescu: prolly end up more or less standardized by practice etc.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 17 @ 0.53000001 = 9.01 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: Is anyone else watching the MONSTER betting that has been going on all day on SDice?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1855 @ 0.00062971 = 1.1681 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10524 @ 0.00062988 = 6.6289 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 10000 @ 0.00521995 = 52.1995 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 5000 @ 0.00521996 = 26.0998 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3550 @ 0.00523288 = 18.5767 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 10000 @ 0.005235 = 52.35 BTC [+]
Namworld: Oh, you wanted to sell your stocks, I get it now ; P
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 17.30001, Best ask: 17.38900, Bid-ask spread: 0.08899, Last trade: 17.48000, 24 hour volume: 61713.28463152, 24 hour low: 16.51001, 24 hour high: 17.59000, 24 hour vwap: 17.10409
Namworld: Seems like the earnings are still low for the month
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11648 @ 0.00062015 = 7.2235 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18352 @ 0.0006195 = 11.3691 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 7500 @ 0.00528204 = 39.6153 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3421 @ 0.00529131 = 18.1016 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2748 @ 0.0006195 = 1.7024 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 6479 @ 0.00529131 = 34.2824 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 4300 @ 0.00529249 = 22.7577 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 141 @ 0.00534347 = 0.7534 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2080 @ 0.00534611 = 11.1199 BTC [+]
Namworld: Enough that there will be a ~500 BTC dividend this month, so far
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8372 @ 0.00061258 = 5.1285 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: which was already sdice catching up
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 120 @ 0.00534611 = 0.6415 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 57 @ 0.00535581 = 0.3053 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: which puts us at 14,000 for the month
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 634 @ 0.00538043 = 3.4112 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 4940 @ 0.00579999 = 28.652 BTC [+]
Namworld: We're closer to 6... more like 2.33%
Bugpowder: Could be up another 10k in a few hours
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.53 = 5.3 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.53 = 1.59 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 7 @ 0.52 = 3.64 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 3000 @ 0.0054 = 16.2 BTC [+]
Namworld: Well darn... I'd need someone to loan me some funds then...
midnightmagic: dub: What the heck porn are you talking about? I went to go look, but.. only saw food. And my safesearch is off..?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17950 @ 0.0006105 = 10.9585 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7330 @ 0.00061258 = 4.4902 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5120 @ 0.00061636 = 3.1558 BTC [+]
dub: midnightmagic: safesearch on, logged out, on a machine that has never searched for porn
dub: midnightmagic: you know google 'bubbles' results based on a bunch of shit right?
dub: I guess either my coworkers or fellow countrymen in general are dirty bastards
dub: hrm safesearch is off, wtf
dub: google doesnt support hyperlinks so..
dub: its a set of tits in some kind of artsy soft focus carry on
dub: a few hits for some kind of rodent as well
Namworld: Is he stubbornly adhering to his rules & contracts? (regardless of legality)
dub: thebutterzone is retarded
dub: how the fuck can you draw any relationship between that post and randomly receiving btc yourself
jcpham: what is he talking about
jcpham: i'm guessing he received 519.704 BTC from MPEX
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 10 @ 0.34 = 3.4 BTC [+]
mod6: no no, i think he did actually just randomly receive the btc from somewhere. at least iirc from reading otc
assbot: [BTCTC] [MININGCO.ETF] 5 @ 0.5 = 2.5 BTC
Bugpowder: Satoshi Dice up another 1000 in the last 10 minutes
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 3 @ 0.3799 = 1.1397 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: I think we are now at ~15,000 profit for the month
Namworld: If I mashup the recent talking, you're all suggesting I should hack satoshidice.com and replace betting addresses with some of my own and somehow "randomly receive BTC from somewhere"?
dub: only if you dig a big hole first
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8211 @ 0.0006105 = 5.0128 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00060764 = 5.7118 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [MININGCO.ETF] 2 @ 0.5 = 1 BTC
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 10 @ 0.34 = 3.4 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16300 @ 0.00060731 = 9.8992 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00507549 / 0.00525598 / 0.00579999 (109410 shares, 575.06 BTC), 7D: 0.00454703 / 0.00489723 / 0.00598999 (1391696 shares, 6,815.47 BTC), 30D: 0.00332178 / 0.0041661 / 0.00598999 (9555800 shares, 39,810.47 BTC)
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 5 @ 0.38 = 1.9 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P150T] 614 @ 0.00703848 = 4.3216 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P160T] 1000 @ 0.01758122 = 17.5812 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C110T] 1000 @ 0.35779533 = 357.7953 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C120T] 1000 @ 0.29914036 = 299.1404 BTC [+]
markedathome: jcpham: thebutterzone got some btc sent to him around christmas/new years. at the same time other people in #bitcoin-otc were allegedly being given various sums from someone ranging up to about 200-300btc
markedathome: he posted in bitcointalk but no one owned up to sending it, either on purpose or in error. How he then got to the rota, I haven't a clue.
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 6 @ 0.34 = 2.04 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 10 @ 0.38 = 3.8 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.01 BTC [+]
FabianB: mircea_popescu: it is utf-8 though if the copy&paste error is fixed
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00059541 / 0.00061157 / 0.00062988 (2609382 shares, 1,595.84 BTC), 7D: 0.00059541 / 0.00064102 / 0.00068 (11134418 shares, 7,137.43 BTC), 30D: 0.00059541 / 0.00064462 / 0.00068 (39225798 shares, 25,285.89 BTC)
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 17.36002, Best ask: 17.40000, Bid-ask spread: 0.03998, Last trade: 17.36002, 24 hour volume: 59877.57089900, 24 hour low: 16.65000, 24 hour high: 17.59000, 24 hour vwap: 17.13945
FabianB: mircea_popescu: nope, that's not the problem, there are some escape characters in the html tags
thestringpuller: wow bitcoin is in headlines no wonder: First up is the venerable SatoshiDice, which is the leading bitcoin gambling site in terms of amount wagered. Responsible for more than 50% of daily network volume on the Bitcoin blockchain, SatoshiDice reported first year earnings from wagering at an impressive .33,310.
FabianB: i found/replaced them with an editor, after that works fine here
Bugpowder: And January earnings of 15,000 to date
thestringpuller: "To invest in the operator and bet on the house, SatoshiDice shares are traded on the MPEx bitcoin stock exchange under ticker symbol S.DICE (see August 19th, 2012 Prospectus). At the current exchange rate of $17.00 per BTC, SatoshiDice is a company valued at $8.9 million."
FabianB: mircea_popescu: jup, looks much better and readable now :)
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 4 @ 0.38 = 1.52 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 5 @ 0.34 = 1.7 BTC [+]
gribble: smickles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 7 hours, 17 minutes, and 15 seconds ago: <smickles> what was the final precursor last time? a bunch of puts bought, calls sold?
FabianB: mircea_popescu: i know some chinese, but not enought to verify if it's a good translation
Namworld: 15000 BTC earnings? Looking good.
Bugpowder: they have been killing it in the last few hours
FabianB: mircea_popescu: but your new sentence is missing (the red one from yesterday)
mircea_popescu: FabianB o shit. ya, translator was at work on old version obviously ><
Namworld: I'll wait for the next report from dooglus
Bugpowder: the addressess still have over 10,000 left in them though
FabianB: mircea_popescu: shouldn't be a problem for him to add this one sentence
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39 @ 0.00060764 = 0.0237 BTC [+]
FabianB: mircea_popescu: looks like the translater offers chinese support for mpex in the faq
FabianB: mircea_popescu: i'm german
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 300 @ 0.00541028 = 1.6231 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: i don't have an account. and besides, i'd prefer ppl from teh community
kakobrekla: the bad part about is keeping all the langs updated later on
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 23 @ 0.00541028 = 0.1244 BTC [-]
dub: mircea_popescu: amir knows esperanto
FabianB: i can try to find the time on weekend
mircea_popescu: FabianB don't feel pressured, it's purely an "if anyone wants to" thing
FabianB: i wouldn't want to offer support, like the chinese guy ;)
FabianB: (i don't even have an account, only using coinbr)
mircea_popescu: german isn't quite the unbridgeable cultural and linguistic gap like chinese is, so i don't imagine it'd make so much sense
error4733: Bugpowder : thanks for the SD sheet ! What a nice surprise today ! +8K
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C100T] 510 @ 0.41713552 = 212.7391 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16400 @ 0.00061105 = 10.0212 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: but anyway, it's funny, i think they translated "dear lord" as "dear king"
FabianB: mircea_popescu: lol, did you run it through google translate backwards?
mircea_popescu: i'll end up with manga fanshit, whereby a dog asks a princess what this is a kingdog ?!
Bugpowder: seriously though... How does the dude that just lost $200,000 on Satoshi Dice today feel right now.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18380 @ 0.00061586 = 11.3195 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2852 @ 0.00061636 = 1.7579 BTC [+]
mod6: Bugpowder: but maybe he made 225,000 yesterday!
dub: Bugpowder: probably like a dude that hat $200k to lose, indiferent
thestringpuller: Bugpowder: did smickles confirm the receipt of those shares?
error4733: like my grand father say : day loss, eve gain
Bugpowder: dub, yeah prob gonna take it out on a hired lady.
mircea_popescu: my 1st is "The 60 Day Plan: How to Get Sexy by New Year's Eve ".
Bugpowder: "Standings mechanics - EVElopedia - EVElopedia - EVE Online"
thestringpuller: Standings mechanics - EVElopedia - EVElopedia - EVE Online
mod6: anyway, yeah losses suck, but who's to say that's not his dip in his martingale chart
error4733: sorry for the bad translation, sound's better in french :(
mod6: ahh. well, im not saying you're incorrect.
error4733: if you lose todat that mean you will win tmrw...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16550 @ 0.00061241 = 10.1354 BTC [-]
Chilca: but they don't have S.DICE
Namworld: MPEx has less features and a high fee, but functions more like a stock exchange, not a brokerage platform.
Namworld: The transactions are much more secure.
Namworld: coinbr.com is a broker for MPEx
Namworld: You can trade S.DICE/S.MPOE on it
Namworld: but they charge a bit more fees
error4733: i'll pay the MPEx fees with the S.DICE div from jan
Namworld: Are you already on any platform at all?
pigeons: i'm glad we are more accesaible and this channel is getting more blind members
Namworld: The owner is a bit stubborn tho
Chilca: I see coinbr and they have a very nice UI.
Chilca: I'm sorry, coinbr doesn't have a nice UI.
Chilca: btct.co has a nice one
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 64 @ 0.00526527 = 0.337 BTC [-]
Namworld: yeah. Different kind of stuff on it however.
Namworld: S.BVPS will be moving from MPEx to BTCT.co
Namworld: We're getting delisted from MPEx
Namworld: Previous owner of BitVPS did something not respecting the contract on MPEx (Selling his whole stake in BitVPS)
Chilca: Namworld: you are the owner of BitVPS?
Chilca: are you guys using openstack?
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 17.10000, Best ask: 17.15000, Bid-ask spread: 0.05000, Last trade: 17.10000, 24 hour volume: 64871.93999072, 24 hour low: 16.65000, 24 hour high: 17.59000, 24 hour vwap: 17.20845
gribble: There are currently 3619.4082 bitcoins demanded at or over 17.0 USD, worth 61628.2957349 USD in total.
gribble: There are currently 20232.644 bitcoins offered at or under 18.0 USD, worth 355737.861722 USD in total.
gribble: There are currently 42445.625 bitcoins demanded at or over 15.0 USD, worth 684798.563041 USD in total.
gribble: There are currently 39413.116 bitcoins offered at or under 20.0 USD, worth 726890.468085 USD in total.
gribble: There are currently 27597.151 bitcoins demanded at or over 16.0 USD, worth 455044.787176 USD in total.
Bugpowder: still firing bets off at 4000 a shot
Bugpowder: with them going out over the course of 2-3 minutes
assbot: !ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO)
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00507549 / 0.00525447 / 0.00579999 (110702 shares, 581.68 BTC), 7D: 0.00454703 / 0.00492216 / 0.00598999 (1282457 shares, 6,312.47 BTC), 30D: 0.00332178 / 0.00416702 / 0.00598999 (9563029 shares, 39,849.40 BTC)
Chilca: mircea_popescu: you know me!!
Chilca: mircea_popescu: I love the girls too
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4100 @ 0.00061195 = 2.509 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18414 @ 0.00061195 = 11.2684 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9595 @ 0.00061584 = 5.909 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 991 @ 0.00061636 = 0.6108 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 636 @ 0.00513446 = 3.2655 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8423 @ 0.00060442 = 5.091 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8500 @ 0.00060309 = 5.1263 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4177 @ 0.00060424 = 2.5239 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.00060843 = 4.4415 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1418 @ 0.00061636 = 0.874 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00527971 = 5.2797 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 921 @ 0.00524349 = 4.8293 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6550 @ 0.00061954 = 4.058 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11800 @ 0.00061954 = 7.3106 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 8 @ 0.3684 = 2.9472 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.35 BTC [-]
Namworld: I would take it, but I hardly post enough...
dust-otc: I would do PR for asic companies
Namworld: I'm reading it now... I can see this
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9058 @ 0.00061754 = 5.5937 BTC [-]
Namworld: by reading the link, I thought old style pr was something else.
Namworld: As in, not wildly going around the forum like a rabid dog denigrating everything (regardless if deserved) and thus get visibility.
Namworld: Most of her post seems to be witch-hunting some random schmucks taking on a project too large for them and shooting them down.
Namworld: Or criticizing people or stuff.
Namworld: Well I guess on the visibility level, that does attract a lot of eyeballs.
mircea_popescu: this != denigrating everything (regardless if deserved)
mircea_popescu: neither as far as denigration goes, nor as far as deserved goes.
Namworld: Not what everyone seems to believes
Namworld: She might often be right in her predictions. It's still shooting down stuff on assumptions.
mircea_popescu: even her recent crusade against bfl (who aren't poor schmucks) seems to have been on the spot
Namworld: But she can't always be right.
Namworld: Yeah. But denigrating can mean simply attacking the reputation of someone or belittling them. She does that alot.
Namworld: Especially for some "developers" not fit for making the service they offer and etc.
Namworld: But she seems to be a quick shot.
Namworld: Anyway, not what traditional PR account do.
Namworld: Those mostly answer questions, talk about the merits of the business and mostly doesn't care about whatever drama or stuff happening around them.
Namworld: I just didn't get that from just reading the words from the link.
Namworld: Going to be hard to get mentionned in major news outlets.
Namworld: But feasible along some other bitcoin news.
Namworld: They talked of BFL, they talked of SilkRoad, they talked of BitPay
Namworld: Anyway. Got to go back to updating stuff for BitVPS
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12450 @ 0.00061754 = 7.6884 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10150 @ 0.00061851 = 6.2779 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9183 @ 0.00061754 = 5.6709 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4467 @ 0.00061323 = 2.7393 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4500 @ 0.00061323 = 2.7595 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3133 @ 0.00061323 = 1.9212 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12617 @ 0.0006093 = 7.6875 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2312 @ 0.00061607 = 1.4244 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 307 @ 0.00061851 = 0.1899 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5033 @ 0.0006093 = 3.0666 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4367 @ 0.00060856 = 2.6576 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7543 @ 0.00061851 = 4.6654 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2830 @ 0.00061874 = 1.751 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25300 @ 0.00061855 = 15.6493 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 300 @ 0.00061034 = 0.1831 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15874 @ 0.00061034 = 9.6885 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14026 @ 0.00060856 = 8.5357 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7670 @ 0.00060856 = 4.6677 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7371 @ 0.00060823 = 4.4833 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 843 @ 0.00524349 = 4.4203 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 300 @ 0.00513129 = 1.5394 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1457 @ 0.0051312 = 7.4762 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2929 @ 0.00060823 = 1.7815 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5250 @ 0.00060684 = 3.1859 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22943 @ 0.00060474 = 13.8745 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3188 @ 0.00060309 = 1.9227 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13212 @ 0.00060288 = 7.9653 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20600 @ 0.00060288 = 12.4193 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3188 @ 0.00060288 = 1.922 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1912 @ 0.00060278 = 1.1525 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23708 @ 0.00060278 = 14.2907 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7250 @ 0.00060262 = 4.369 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16375 @ 0.00060224 = 9.8617 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22767 @ 0.00060224 = 13.7112 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11697 @ 0.00060474 = 7.0736 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10481 @ 0.00060474 = 6.3383 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12130 @ 0.00060902 = 7.3874 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8600 @ 0.00060057 = 5.1649 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15100 @ 0.00060648 = 9.1578 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.00060902 = 3.6541 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11000 @ 0.00060902 = 6.6992 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1153 @ 0.00060057 = 0.6925 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16700 @ 0.00060042 = 10.027 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19147 @ 0.00059937 = 11.4761 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P160T] 1000 @ 0.01310272 = 13.1027 BTC [-]
Namworld: Just done fixing BitVPS billing... well most of it... still working on that
jurov: hey... so... you misbilled me or?
Namworld: No, but it concerns you and everyone
Namworld: Basically, there's no way to automatically update the price for everyone.
Namworld: and all price are based on fixed USD
Namworld: So we're switching everyone to USD pricing.
jurov: i herd they are moving to btct
Namworld: That way, everyone always pays the exact price based on MtGox
jurov: heh, good luck with burnside.
jurov: i just have some own experience with him
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2644 @ 0.00525465 = 13.8933 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3164 @ 0.00527971 = 16.705 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2000 @ 0.00532851 = 10.657 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: "I work in fraud investigation and forensic accounting. People bring me crazy stories all the time. One such story was from a contractor who was hired to put in ventilation to a building for a bunch of servers. The owner later bragged about how he was stealing/counter fitting bitcoins and selling them. I have no idea how this all works but my advice is the same as Wulfar's, stay away from it"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 900 @ 0.00536067 = 4.8246 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 300 @ 0.0053929 = 1.6179 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 6000 @ 0.00539293 = 32.3576 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 377 @ 0.00541028 = 2.0397 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 5060 @ 0.00579999 = 29.3479 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 10000 @ 0.00579999 = 57.9999 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 10000 @ 0.0058 = 58 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 4900 @ 0.0059 = 28.91 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00595622 = 5.9562 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 8651 @ 0.00599 = 51.8195 BTC [+]
Namworld: jurov seems to indicate he has some bad experience with burnside
jurov: not really bad... just annoying stuff on teh forums, got called borderline scammer
jurov: without real reason, he did not even try coinbr afaik
jurov: Ukto had it similar. So i avoid btct and ltccc
jurov: ic. some fleas think they are dogs
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.00059938 = 4.1957 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00059938 = 0.5994 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11300 @ 0.00059937 = 6.7729 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: Re: customer deposts: I can't give you guys coins that I don't have, but I will likely be paying users out of pocket for this in a manner that is affordable. The way the site was set up before, apparently, advertisers were not allowed to withdrawal at all. I want to change things like this to allow that sort of functionality but I am not going to be able to do that especially if you guys try to all withdrawal at once
mircea_popescu: , it's just not going to be feasible, and if giantdragon still had the site, apparently, he wouldn't have paid advertiser balances out anyway. Advertisers would use their balances for advertising, and the publishers had the ability to be paid out. If a publisher has a balance and the amount requested for withdrawal is reasonable, I'll just pay it out of pocket, but it's not like I have a massive bitcoin balance to be
mircea_popescu: paying out of. I have a very little amount of bitcoin, and after buying coinurl the amount is laughable but if the total amount of publisher withdrawals is a few BTC a week or something then I can make that happen. Be reasonable, be patient, and this transition will be pretty seamless.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13020 @ 0.00060902 = 7.9294 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8000 @ 0.00061221 = 4.8977 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6380 @ 0.00061306 = 3.9113 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6732 @ 0.00061306 = 4.1271 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11644 @ 0.00060252 = 7.0157 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: over 100k bet in the last 17 hours
Bugpowder: dice up about 10k for the month I think
Bugpowder: yeah the last burst of 4,000 bet was 8 minutes ago
Bugpowder: haven't included it yet actually :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4250 @ 0.00061306 = 2.6055 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.0051312 / 0.00543782 / 0.00599 (145859 shares, 793.16 BTC), 7D: 0.00454703 / 0.00511 / 0.00599 (711971 shares, 3,638.17 BTC), 30D: 0.00343244 / 0.00417666 / 0.00599 (9620260 shares, 40,180.62 BTC)
Namworld: I'll keep updated with dooglus next update
Namworld: Actually... they lose 1.9%, of which a good part goes to shareholders...
Namworld: But IPO is already finished...
Namworld: 10 million shares sold, all that was issued on MPEx...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18056 @ 0.00060252 = 10.8791 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16185 @ 0.00059937 = 9.7008 BTC [-]
Namworld: Ok, he made a lot of money on the IPO.
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C140T] 620 @ 0.18660466 = 115.6949 BTC [+]
Namworld: I don't see why it would go on. Still people betting large sums
Namworld: Why would evoorhee be betting now?
Namworld: Yeah, but 90% is not issued on MPEx
Namworld: Would have kept 100% of SatoshiDice
Namworld: Even if he sold at 0.004, that's only 40000 BTC for the 10 million shares.
Namworld: That's 2-3 year earnings if we keep getting 1000 BTC+ per month in dividends
mircea_popescu: Namworld that's a problem, really. pretty much nobody wants to list for that reason
Namworld: Assuming betting doesn't stop.
Namworld: I issued loan bonds. I pay 10.95% per year on BTC debt. People still loan me funds.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28562 @ 0.00059937 = 17.1192 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 471 @ 0.00059928 = 0.2823 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11467 @ 0.00059858 = 6.8639 BTC [-]
Namworld: Still... I think it was a bad deal for evoorhees to IPO
Namworld: ... find me one godlike stock which gains 100% in 2-3 years...
Namworld: He did not... but he lose longterm.
Namworld: He'd get more long term just keeping 100%
Namworld: I'd be surprised SatoshiDice would get closed/outranked.
Namworld: Well I try to avoid such drama.
Namworld: Actually I don't even really try. My threads tend to be dramaless.
Namworld: It's almost just me posting updates every month or two
Namworld: Well 40000BTC is a neat cushion
Namworld: Well I didn't do it... and in that case, it financed rg's business actually, funds were needed.
Namworld: Plus I wouldn't have bought shares or known rg at all without the IPO.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 250 @ 0.001139 = 0.2848 BTC [+]
Namworld: Which means rg wouldn't have invited me to take over BitVPS with arij and phungus
Namworld: So I suppose I don't regret the IPO.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18393 @ 0.00061283 = 11.2718 BTC [+]
Namworld: Well for SatoshiDice, the coins were not needed.
Namworld: I'd have taken the risk and just get all for myself.
Namworld: If my business ends up earning nothing, well so be it...
Namworld: Either some shareholders lose, or I lose...
Namworld: I'd chose all the risks, all the rewards
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.00598998 = 2.995 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00598999 = 5.99 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 800 @ 0.00599 = 4.792 BTC [+]
Namworld: He already got a massive earning BTC business
Namworld: So I'd have put the coins on some stock of fiat stock exchange.
Namworld: Anyway, 8:47 am... I need sleep.
Namworld: Was up all night working on BitVPS
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 350 @ 0.001139 = 0.3987 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1833 @ 0.00059858 = 1.0972 BTC [-]
jurov: Namworld, if you ran sdice privately, how would you cover 2k loss like one in november?
jurov: you can get 2k just by issuing bonds?
jurov: or you'd have to lower the bet limit considerably
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 549 @ 0.00599 = 3.2885 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1800 @ 0.00599355 = 10.7884 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13633 @ 0.00059657 = 8.133 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27800 @ 0.00059617 = 16.5735 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8785 @ 0.00059592 = 5.2352 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 300 @ 0.001139 = 0.3417 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9350 @ 0.00059673 = 5.5794 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20215 @ 0.00059592 = 12.0465 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8802 @ 0.00059485 = 5.2359 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 833 @ 0.00059445 = 0.4952 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: wow money is being taken out of mpex and placed into s.dice
jurov: or s.bbet... and coinbr users match each other's orders, causing new bugs to pop up
jurov: doh, making my own exchange would be easier than this
thestringpuller: BBET is more profitable to run bets on as a business than investing in the stock
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7600 @ 0.00059673 = 4.5351 BTC [+]
pigeons: well you can use the rota but even if you pay the judges and neg rate them for ruling you should return someone else's funds you may still lose
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2717 @ 0.00059673 = 1.6213 BTC [+]
jcpham: the rota was used improperly for a moral judgement
jcpham: it's mircea_popescu discretion toreturn funds
jcpham: the blockchain predetermined it. he asked the rota to make a moral decision
jurov: jcpham, can't get over it?
jurov: lol i told mircea maybe first rota case will be about "mpoe-pr is public nuisance" cause it falls into its scope
jurov: was not so far from truth
jcpham: the choices were a) yes return the money b) no do not
jcpham: but what happened was door number three
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2500 @ 0.00614098 = 15.3525 BTC [+]
jcpham: and behind door number three are 3 strangers making moral decisions
jcpham: let's be clear: the blockchain is in fact permanent imho
jcpham: it isn't decision to reverse blockchain transactions
jcpham: the person who....requested all of this.....either directly or indirectly....and their reaction
jcpham: indecision is the lack of action
pigeons: mircea_popescu directly told wences to use the rota instead of settling it
jcpham: i'm not upset. i just think it should be made the clear the rota shouldn't be deciding moral debates about customer service
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2634 @ 0.00061283 = 1.6142 BTC [+]
pigeons: actually that was a common legal issue and it is ALWAYS resolved that no matter the afreement if you can fix a problem like that easily you are required
jcpham: EskimoBob_afk i think you may be a larger fanboi than me
jcpham: i don't play well with others
imsaguy: EskimoBob_afk is clearly a liar.
imsaguy: Unless he now types using psychokinesis
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21200 @ 0.00061092 = 12.9515 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6855 @ 0.00060879 = 4.1733 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31700 @ 0.00060444 = 19.1607 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5049 @ 0.00060444 = 3.0518 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5323 @ 0.00061283 = 3.2621 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9428 @ 0.00061306 = 5.7799 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 10 @ 0.0059 = 0.059 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 17.30000, Best ask: 17.30077, Bid-ask spread: 0.00077, Last trade: 17.30000, 24 hour volume: 54870.17966918, 24 hour low: 16.80155, 24 hour high: 17.58890, 24 hour vwap: 17.21227
Bugpowder: 17.25 and 17.30 walls just got bot
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15309 @ 0.00060438 = 9.2525 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6900 @ 0.00060438 = 4.1702 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 17.29900, Best ask: 17.34999, Bid-ask spread: 0.05099, Last trade: 17.29900, 24 hour volume: 54137.88100753, 24 hour low: 16.80155, 24 hour high: 17.58890, 24 hour vwap: 17.21015
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 851 @ 0.00600303 = 5.1086 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 349 @ 0.00595519 = 2.0784 BTC [-]
assbot: Shit. You ain't even old enough to smoke.
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00059445 / 0.00060973 / 0.00062988 (2042391 shares, 1,245.32 BTC), 7D: 0.00059445 / 0.00063728 / 0.00068 (12240334 shares, 7,800.57 BTC), 30D: 0.00059445 / 0.00064382 / 0.00068 (39855484 shares, 25,659.87 BTC)
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 14 @ 0.0089 = 0.1246 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 59 @ 0.0089 = 0.5251 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 38 @ 0.009 = 0.342 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: ;;later tell Namworld I need an emergency VPS, possible NS hosting/transfer
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4650 @ 0.00060433 = 2.8101 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C120T] 1000 @ 0.30282548 = 302.8255 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C110T] 1000 @ 0.36117336 = 361.1734 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C130T] 1000 @ 0.24447761 = 244.4776 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 17.40102, Best ask: 17.47277, Bid-ask spread: 0.07175, Last trade: 17.40102, 24 hour volume: 53901.83917218, 24 hour low: 16.80155, 24 hour high: 17.58890, 24 hour vwap: 17.20956
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8791 @ 0.00060438 = 5.3131 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18350 @ 0.00060884 = 11.1722 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29600 @ 0.00061236 = 18.1259 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1160 @ 0.00061306 = 0.7111 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1699 @ 0.00061405 = 1.0433 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.533 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1300 @ 0.00614 = 7.982 BTC [+]
gribble: smickles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 1 hour, 14 minutes, and 54 seconds ago: <smickles> what was the final precursor last time? a bunch of puts bought, calls sold?
Ukto: did you really want me to play through to disc 2 on ff7? :/
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C120T] 1000 @ 0.30241793 = 302.4179 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C130T] 1000 @ 0.24403609 = 244.0361 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C110T] 1000 @ 0.36079977 = 360.7998 BTC [-]
Ukto: I am seriously ocncerned about the scratces tho
jcpham: it will be difficult to stop for sure
jcpham: if people keep sending coins to gox to sell, that is
jcpham: what would be even more interesting is if the asks got even shallower
jcpham: nad gox starts to dry up
mircea_popescu: what people don't realise is that btc is a lot like s.dice
jcpham: the bulls have taken over gox
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller anything wioth fixed supply. people think btc "is money" thus fully inflationary bs fiat.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: those people need to watch the introductory video
mircea_popescu: there's levels. on some intellectual level they get it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8550 @ 0.00061327 = 5.2435 BTC [-]
jcpham: i was going to make that point also
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8177 @ 0.00061405 = 5.0211 BTC [+]
jcpham: gold is ancient as space and time itself almost
jcpham: in terms of human perseption
thestringpuller: helium is more rare than gold but tghat isnt truly my point
jcpham: yeah but we waste helium and talk funny
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8796 @ 0.00060598 = 5.3302 BTC [-]
jcpham: i'd waste gold if it made me talk funny
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.0051312 / 0.00548008 / 0.00614098 (153015 shares, 838.54 BTC), 7D: 0.00454708 / 0.00530983 / 0.00614098 (481678 shares, 2,557.63 BTC), 30D: 0.00343244 / 0.00417854 / 0.00614098 (9629909 shares, 40,238.99 BTC)
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 17.31862, Best ask: 17.33000, Bid-ask spread: 0.01138, Last trade: 17.33000, 24 hour volume: 53588.45314260, 24 hour low: 16.80155, 24 hour high: 17.58890, 24 hour vwap: 17.20807
assbot: [HAVELOCK:SDICE] 1D: 0.51000001 / 0.53671746 / 0.55500000 (177 shares, 94.99898964 BTC), 7D: 0.48000000 / 0.54341709 / 0.62000000 (637 shares, 346.15668934 BTC), 30D: 0.37000000 / 0.46687217 / 0.62000000 (4172 shares, 1947.79068932 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX:O.BTCUSD.C170T] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: / / ( shares, BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 9 @ 0.53999999 = 4.86 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 108 @ 0.00602995 = 0.6512 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2300 @ 0.00602994 = 13.8689 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 851 @ 0.00595519 = 5.0679 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1741 @ 0.00592487 = 10.3152 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.54 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [MININGCO.ETF] 2 @ 0.5 = 1 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2200 @ 0.00061253 = 1.3476 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19450 @ 0.00061405 = 11.9433 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7004 @ 0.00060598 = 4.2443 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7392 @ 0.00060433 = 4.4672 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5058 @ 0.00060433 = 3.0567 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12349 @ 0.0006033 = 7.4502 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4743 @ 0.00060084 = 2.8498 BTC [-]
jurov: *reads scrollback* oh, there will be supply... when most scams decide to close and sell
jurov: or vice versa hehe
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.00060085 = 12.017 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 457 @ 0.00060084 = 0.2746 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2593 @ 0.00059517 = 1.5433 BTC [-]
gribble: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg] [--currency XXX]) -- Return pretty-printed mtgox ticker. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure that the three letter code you enter is a valid currency (1 more message)
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.0051312 / 0.00550902 / 0.00614098 (150853 shares, 831.05 BTC), 7D: 0.00454708 / 0.00533426 / 0.00614098 (471074 shares, 2,512.83 BTC), 30D: 0.00343244 / 0.00417947 / 0.00614098 (9634909 shares, 40,268.90 BTC)
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 17.33904, Best ask: 17.41799, Bid-ask spread: 0.07895, Last trade: 17.33904, 24 hour volume: 52619.42457762, 24 hour low: 16.80155, 24 hour high: 17.58890, 24 hour vwap: 17.19969
JWU_42: maybe that has something to do with Gox
JWU_42: buying up BTC to bet on SD
jurov: does anyone know how much all the asic companies raised? it's pirate-level or less?
jcpham: see i understand bit-pay as a payment processor that acts in fiat
jcpham: after the BFL asic announcement, they were seeking buyers off the exchange
jcpham: if they have the financial fiat backing to process directly in fiat
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15279 @ 0.00061064 = 9.33 BTC [+]
jcpham: and then simply hold the btc
jcpham: or sell it, or have fun with walls
jcpham: that makes bit-pay a goliath
mircea_popescu: depends if you count btc or usd and how narrow you cap things
mircea_popescu: jcpham if they try to play the market uninsured they are doomed.
jcpham: its a risky proposition for sure
mircea_popescu: moreover, any random geek things two things of himself
mircea_popescu: that he can code a clone to X and that he can "play the market".
jcpham: i just wonder who's in control of those coins and how they make it back to market
mircea_popescu: i like to imagine they just process and that way they'll live forever.
mircea_popescu: tho you have a point, a bfl-bitpay tandem collapse is certainly conceivable.
jcpham: they have taken in a lot of coins
jcpham: i can't imagine any entity with more to dispose of
jcpham: well of course you might
mircea_popescu: hm so that post pays off, i have like 3 ppl wantign the job already
burnside: didn't mean to come across like such a dick on your coinbr thread
jurov: it actually began elsewhere.. but okay, you're welcome
burnside: i'd just been attacked by mpoe-pr over security issues, and it came up that mpex if you lose your key you're f'd.
burnside: not so much lose actually, if someone else gets your key, you're f'd.
burnside: I realized that for you to trade live, you have to keep that key on the server.
burnside: and then I realized that there was a brokerage doing just that.
burnside: anyway, long story short, combination frustration with mpoe-pr and worried about another big btc compromise, I asked questions publicly that I should have asked privately.
jurov: actually it was fine... until that name calling :D
burnside: I'm convinced now that you've taken every precaution you can, and will eventually likely be using coinbr.
dub: thanks for the valuable insight bob
jurov: eskimo,seems you do it for free instead, and poorly... i rather like her professional job
jurov: you should hire someone
burnside: back to my day job. later all.
dub: I think there is an awful lot that you do not understand
dub: your scope seems to be limited to smoking crack and making mud pies
dub: or art or whatever you call that
jurov: Some of the debris came down among the spectators, killing three and injuring several more. Crush was immediately fired from the Katy railroad. In light of a lack of negative publicity, however, he was rehired the next day.
dub: Now the biggest risks have gone so please expect the enjoying of both short-term and long-term profits of us in the next years. And also thanks for your patience.
gribble: Current Blocks: 217732 | Current Difficulty: 2968775.3320751 | Next Difficulty At Block: 219743 | Next Difficulty In: 2011 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 weeks, 3 days, 3 hours, 50 minutes, and 18 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 2145071.19164676 | Estimated Percent Change: -27.745586927
jurov: there are people who abhor profits, and need to be told otherwise, you know
dub: I shill for mpex derp
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100 @ 0.0006106 = 0.0611 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.575 = 2.875 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.589 = 2.945 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 42 @ 0.0089 = 0.3738 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 62 @ 0.009 = 0.558 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 8 @ 0.009 = 0.072 BTC [+]
dub: the old someone got into my account excuse eh
mircea_popescu: what was all that bullshit with "old money" and "will deliver" and "your friend" etc
gigavps: pretty sure they are on track to deliver
dub: have they performed the order selection clusterfuckover process yet?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15000 @ 0.00060815 = 9.1223 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: dub what do you figure they get sued for first, order selection or equity ?
dub: good, I'll assume the lack of contact with return instructions doesn't (yet) mean my sub 100 order is worthless
dub: mircea_popescu: no clue
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10600 @ 0.00061064 = 6.4728 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 700 @ 0.00595587 = 4.1691 BTC [+]
gigavps: but knowing BFL, they'll probably have another delay
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7600 @ 0.00061064 = 4.6409 BTC [+]
dub: my only hope is that someone shoots inaba in the face
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 896 @ 0.00060815 = 0.5449 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11337 @ 0.00060757 = 6.888 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: since its my proposition, its the only right thing to do - bet
gigavps: mircea_popescu, i'm balls deep
gigavps: not sure how you hedge balls deep
mircea_popescu: im curious how much of the yes are ppl who refunded / how much of no are ppl who stuck with their order
mircea_popescu: so hedging, as opposed to people just speculating with no skin in the game
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 11 @ 0.551 = 6.061 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: funny those morons on the forum still struggling to make the 20btc bfl bet after what a week
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2130 @ 0.00595587 = 12.686 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 247 @ 0.00060715 = 0.15 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6003 @ 0.00060835 = 3.6519 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 5 @ 0.34 = 1.7 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: it;s not. no asics in the history of bitcoin mining will be worth as much as that 1st batch
mircea_popescu: if they can't turn a profit then, they can never turn a profit.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9450 @ 0.00060835 = 5.7489 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 170 @ 0.00595587 = 1.0125 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1400 @ 0.00600715 = 8.41 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8883 @ 0.00060835 = 5.404 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9320 @ 0.00061064 = 5.6912 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 94 @ 0.00611858 = 0.5751 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 3 @ 0.009 = 0.027 BTC [+]
markedathome: mircea_popescu: did you ever post what that image was?
markedathome: the one that you were going to pay 0,1334 btc for (and which the vertical was time)
mircea_popescu: markedathome a, no. nobody guessed, so i guess i might let the secret out
Bugpowder: Now over 200,000 bet in the last 26 hours on S.DICE
Bugpowder: there was organic growth of miniwhales
Bugpowder: in between the massive binge at the start of the month and now
Bugpowder: the question is what happens when this whale blows his whole wad
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 17.49501, Best ask: 17.49510, Bid-ask spread: 0.00009, Last trade: 17.49501, 24 hour volume: 49777.38979188, 24 hour low: 16.80155, 24 hour high: 17.49501, 24 hour vwap: 17.19659
Bugpowder: which I estimate currently to be 30,000 BTC in the addresses that have flashed
mircea_popescu: i wonder how much of the buy pressure is ppl wanting btc to sd
gribble: There are currently 20627.928 bitcoins offered at or under 19.0 USD, worth 371592.589557 USD in total.
Namworld: Considering 1.9% loss average... you don't need too much to make a huge amount of bets
gribble: There are currently 23352.431 bitcoins offered at or under 19.5 USD, worth 424184.625256 USD in total.
gribble: There are currently 33143.873 bitcoins offered at or under 20.0 USD, worth 618445.377545 USD in total.
Bugpowder: you can't come back once you blow the wad
jcpham: when i was younger i had this real flashy uncle
Bugpowder: and then a new set start betting with the same pattern
jcpham: he was always on the hustle
jcpham: this christmas i whispered bitcoin in his ear
jcpham: and told him to trust me
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 0.91 BTC [-]
jcpham: i'm not real close with family
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22850 @ 0.00060567 = 13.8396 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2500 @ 0.00060557 = 1.5139 BTC [-]
Namworld: For one whale for which variance takes a bit, another should win extra from variance, on average. So should even out.
Namworld: All will always tend to 1.9% loss per bet.
Bugpowder: That address that busted out, is actually at the top of the leaderboard
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2100 @ 0.0060583 = 12.7224 BTC [-]
Namworld: With 100k BTC, I could make 5 million in bets...
Namworld: Assuming I don't have good/bad streaks
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20667 @ 0.00061064 = 12.6201 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: I wonder if this is all one person, or 2-3 people
Namworld: I guess people want to sell for USD before it pops back down
mircea_popescu: Namworld yeah, i bet you buncha ppl are o wow, its 17, let's sell
Bugpowder: dude I would be pouring money into MPEX to buy puts if I though the price was going to drop
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 17.49850, Best ask: 17.49990, Bid-ask spread: 0.00140, Last trade: 17.49850, 24 hour volume: 49824.23889575, 24 hour low: 16.80155, 24 hour high: 17.49990, 24 hour vwap: 17.19784
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder yup puts much more efficient way to benefit from dip, but... i doubt any dips soon
Bugpowder: can the bulls break thru in time to make my 160s profitable
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P160T] 1000 @ 0.01059014 = 10.5901 BTC [-]
gribble: Error: "bc;24hrpc" is not a valid command.
mircea_popescu: dude, i wish to see the day when btc shares jump 34% over a .4% improvement of profit
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1600 @ 0.00061064 = 0.977 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: It was obvious short as soon as maps fucked up
Bugpowder: that error makes people switch out of autobuy mode
Bugpowder: and consider samsung or other phones
Bugpowder: Doog has a special edition of the SD charts up
thestringpuller: what is the general borrowing rate these days for AAPL stock?
Bugpowder: hopefully we will see some upwards movement in the stock price now
Bugpowder: that the pretty graphics are helping the slow bus riders
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11878 @ 0.00061064 = 7.2532 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8424 @ 0.00061405 = 5.1728 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8008 @ 0.00061411 = 4.9178 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C110T] 425 @ 0.36042575 = 153.1809 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.54 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.00609999 = 3.05 BTC [+]
Namworld: Sounds like it's time o beat June 2011 record... it's just a few thousand BTCs away.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 18.15101, Best ask: 18.22999, Bid-ask spread: 0.07898, Last trade: 18.22999, 24 hour volume: 60278.80134135, 24 hour low: 16.80155, 24 hour high: 18.29413, 24 hour vwap: 17.43627
Bugpowder: let's send clark moody another btctip
Namworld: lol... the wall gets eaten like nothing
gribble: There are currently 47109.215 bitcoins offered at or under 40.0 USD, worth 1164362.98611 USD in total.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19876 @ 0.0006117 = 12.1581 BTC [+]
Namworld: or MPOE might have a poor month
gribble: There are currently 47109.215 bitcoins offered at or under 40.0 USD, worth 1164362.98611 USD in total.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 18.15507, Best ask: 18.29412, Bid-ask spread: 0.13905, Last trade: 18.28501, 24 hour volume: 61945.37777144, 24 hour low: 16.80155, 24 hour high: 18.29413, 24 hour vwap: 17.46963
gribble: There are currently 3398.7406 bitcoins demanded at or over 18.0 USD, worth 61271.7364514 USD in total.
jcpham: we're off to the races
gribble: There are currently 5220.8083 bitcoins offered at or under 19.0 USD, worth 97652.0922263 USD in total.
Namworld: 4k BTC just got eaten at 18.28
jcpham: sustained 20 dollar weekend
Namworld: Seems like alot of activity on SD aaannnd lots of BTC being bought.
Namworld: At this rate SD will own 90% of all bitcoins
mircea_popescu: no see, the beaurty of it ? they distribute it back out
mircea_popescu: on one hand, bettor knows sd can raise *any* sum to pay out.
mircea_popescu: on the other hand, btc it makes as profit is not retained but pumped back out, so it never chokes the market
gribble: Error: "ask" is not a valid command.
gribble: There are currently 3361.8272 bitcoins offered at or under 18.9 USD, worth 62355.6748158 USD in total.
gribble: There are currently 45338.516 bitcoins offered at or under 40.0 USD, worth 1131983.60822 USD in total.
jcpham: wired uk re-ran the forbes article
Namworld: I'm watching the 40 USD/BTC mark
Bugpowder: asks is out of sync with clarkmoody
Namworld: oh yeah... you'll need to open more option choices, mircea
jcpham: well i guess they got their info from ars
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6500 @ 0.00059943 = 3.8963 BTC [-]
jcpham: bu it reads like the forbes article if you ask me
jcpham: they all regurgitate the same info
jcpham: the article presses the physical casinos
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1045 @ 0.00059943 = 0.6264 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5633 @ 0.00059897 = 3.374 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00558478 = 5.5848 BTC [-]
gribble: There are currently 44530.428 bitcoins offered at or under 40.0 USD, worth 1117547.30645 USD in total.
Namworld: keeps going down a thousand or 2 every few minutes
Namworld: I'd like to see the record broken
Namworld: Would probably tumble down afterward
Bugpowder: QQQ is down 1.5% AH just due to the drop in APPL share value AH
gribble: There are currently 84574.66 bitcoins demanded at or over 13.0 USD, worth 1333995.0604 USD in total.
gribble: There are currently 48697.266 bitcoins offered at or under 99.0 USD, worth 1393283.24391 USD in total.
Bugpowder: Thought this might happen when half the 18.01 bidwall disappeared
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 18.30001, Best ask: 18.80000, Bid-ask spread: 0.49999, Last trade: 18.80000, 24 hour volume: 64138.46494394, 24 hour low: 16.80155, 24 hour high: 18.80000, 24 hour vwap: 17.51189
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 18.30101, Best ask: 18.34768, Bid-ask spread: 0.04667, Last trade: 18.34768, 24 hour volume: 64163.91848394, 24 hour low: 16.80155, 24 hour high: 18.80000, 24 hour vwap: 17.51222
Bugpowder: trades are still going off on clarkmoody
Namworld: that's because all the asks have been eaten
Bugpowder: That was exactly HALF the bid wall at 18.01
Namworld: now it's getting a real buying frenzy
jcpham: it looks like the rocket
Bugpowder: 20 is not a point of stability dude
mircea_popescu: basically wtf, i can't add option lines as fast as the market moves
Bugpowder: well.... you can add them tomorrow
jcpham: i thought it would slow down since it is getting late
jcpham: this must be a differnet hemisphere
gribble: There are currently 2432.2725 bitcoins offered at or under 19.0 USD, worth 46000.0249847 USD in total.
Namworld: I just soldmy 20k S.DICE to buy calls...
gribble: There are currently 612.68654 bitcoins offered at or under 18.9 USD, worth 11454.7319722 USD in total.
jcpham: all the coins are just being sucked up
Namworld: Can't cash it out... otherwise I'd have purchased more calls...
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 18.53598, Best ask: 18.58998, Bid-ask spread: 0.05400, Last trade: 18.53598, 24 hour volume: 66488.29922688, 24 hour low: 16.80155, 24 hour high: 19.00000, 24 hour vwap: 17.56372
Namworld: It's going to be a bad month for MPOE if the frenzy doesn't stop soon.
mircea_popescu: the thing that's most worrisome is that the volume is appalingly low.
mircea_popescu: price movement like this w/o like 2-500k of btc traded ?
gribble: There are currently 26176.486 bitcoins offered at or under 25.0 USD, worth 560171.712749 USD in total.
gribble: There are currently 61802.524 bitcoins offered at or under 200.0 USD, worth 3080707.99888 USD in total.
gribble: There are currently 41578.264 bitcoins offered at or under 50.0 USD, worth 1093314.0675 USD in total.
mircea_popescu: basically the buyers were liek, o, no need to buy this.
gribble: There are currently 3150.0805 bitcoins offered at or under 19.5 USD, worth 60569.8808214 USD in total.
mircea_popescu: sellers were like, fuck this with reward halving im not selling
mircea_popescu: and well... this actually reminds me of the chernobyl nuclear accident
gribble: There are currently 41578.264 bitcoins offered at or under 50.0 USD, worth 1093314.0675 USD in total.
gribble: There are currently 32352.721 bitcoins offered at or under 30.0 USD, worth 739001.016505 USD in total.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11152 @ 0.00060096 = 6.7019 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3676 @ 0.00059897 = 2.2018 BTC [-]
gribble: There are currently 3303.8523 bitcoins demanded at or over 18.0 USD, worth 60034.255995 USD in total.
mircea_popescu: if it fucks up i *may* stop trade and rollback, so fair warning
Namworld: As long as it's only past this moment...
Namworld: You can roll that back all you want
mircea_popescu: i had it tested past few days on test system but you know how it is...
Namworld: I mean I already bought options prior to you rolling 20-35 out
Namworld: So I hardly care about that 20-35 options being rolled back
Bugpowder: MPOE only has asks over 21 no bids
mircea_popescu: here's to me hoping i won't be adding another 5000 db lines tomorrow lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 400 @ 0.00558478 = 2.2339 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder yeah, it doesn't have itams. will get them after tomorrow.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 18.51620, Best ask: 18.66893, Bid-ask spread: 0.15273, Last trade: 18.66894, 24 hour volume: 68145.34624156, 24 hour low: 16.80155, 24 hour high: 19.00000, 24 hour vwap: 17.59925
Bugpowder: clark moody always barfs about 340 users
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 18.70355, Best ask: 18.80000, Bid-ask spread: 0.09645, Last trade: 18.80000, 24 hour volume: 69541.42671625, 24 hour low: 16.80155, 24 hour high: 19.00000, 24 hour vwap: 17.62273
Bugpowder: but all the asks would ahve been cleaned out to 19
Bugpowder: and they were only cleand to 18.80
Bugpowder: I can't tell what is happening without the dings
Namworld: more accurate, refreshes often
Namworld: The askwall at 20 is under 20k BTC now
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00059897 = 8.0861 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: hey.... that order I placed 6 months ago to sell at 20
Bugpowder: now that we are getting close, I'm gonna raise the price.
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C170T] 1000 @ 0.06560548 = 65.6055 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C180T] 1000 @ 0.05290351 = 52.9035 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C190T] 1000 @ 0.05290351 = 52.9035 BTC [+]
Namworld: Not sure I'd have bought those C190T...
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C200T] 1000 @ 0.05290351 = 52.9035 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: the 160s are the best priced actually
Namworld: I bought 1800 C170T earlier...
Namworld: Instead of C160, they were better priced but I'd have gotten less
Bugpowder: I bot 1000 C160 last thursday on the first candle
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C170T] 1000 @ 0.07060548 = 70.6055 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C180T] 1000 @ 0.05560548 = 55.6055 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C190T] 1000 @ 0.05560548 = 55.6055 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C200T] 1000 @ 0.05560548 = 55.6055 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: Namworld well if you look at it, the whole set is 200 btc. liek a sdice bet
Namworld: What if he also wants to buy lots of BTC with cash?
Bugpowder: All this AND S.DICE is now up 15k.
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P330T] 1000 @ 0.87869415 = 878.6942 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P340T] 1000 @ 0.93571518 = 935.7152 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P350T] 1000 @ 0.99273622 = 992.7362 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2698 @ 0.00060096 = 1.6214 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11802 @ 0.00060395 = 7.1278 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C200T] 5 @ 0.05560548 = 0.278 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: MPBOR gonna have a high % this month
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 18.52651, Best ask: 18.66998, Bid-ask spread: 0.14347, Last trade: 18.68888, 24 hour volume: 68734.46498675, 24 hour low: 16.80155, 24 hour high: 19.00000, 24 hour vwap: 17.65469
Namworld: If it goes down back even 2-3 BTC, that seller will bite his fingers
Namworld: Mine is too. If average price doesn't go and stay at 18 or over, I lose some or all my 100 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 88 @ 0.00575 = 0.506 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1362 @ 0.00576956 = 7.8581 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: i guess it all depends if one major holder decides to take 18 and exit
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C170T] 1000 @ 0.07060548 = 70.6055 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C180T] 1000 @ 0.05560548 = 55.6055 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C190T] 1000 @ 0.05560548 = 55.6055 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C200T] 1000 @ 0.05560548 = 55.6055 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P330T] 1000 @ 0.87549036 = 875.4904 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P340T] 1000 @ 0.93241431 = 932.4143 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P350T] 1000 @ 0.98933826 = 989.3383 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C200T] 5 @ 0.05560548 = 0.278 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: this is certainly going to be record option volume month
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 18.53259, Best ask: 18.65989, Bid-ask spread: 0.12730, Last trade: 18.53258, 24 hour volume: 71118.31556065, 24 hour low: 16.80155, 24 hour high: 19.00000, 24 hour vwap: 17.68502
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.00060395 = 6.7038 BTC [+]
jcpham: sortof ridiculous to predict
mircea_popescu: truth is tho, there's an asymmetry at work. if price goes up it's much easier to add btc to exchangesd to quench it
mircea_popescu: than if it goes down and you have to send wires and wait for a week
mircea_popescu: so upswings more likely to be accurate than downswings
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 18.53261, Best ask: 18.55000, Bid-ask spread: 0.01739, Last trade: 18.59997, 24 hour volume: 71460.90656065, 24 hour low: 16.80155, 24 hour high: 19.00000, 24 hour vwap: 17.69050
Bugpowder: I usually got mine next day with gox
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder i dunno i never did it myself. sorta guessing
Bugpowder: I was never able to withdraw successfully
dust-otc: wires take ~3 days international
Bugpowder: they wouldn't wire the money to that account
Bugpowder: and I changed my mind and rebought with the money I wanted to withdraw
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 18.55000, Best ask: 18.63493, Bid-ask spread: 0.08493, Last trade: 18.55000, 24 hour volume: 71498.59656065, 24 hour low: 16.80155, 24 hour high: 19.00000, 24 hour vwap: 17.69095
gribble: There are currently 17129.008 bitcoins offered at or under 20.0 USD, worth 334360.435189 USD in total.
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C170T] 1000 @ 0.07060548 = 70.6055 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C180T] 1000 @ 0.05560548 = 55.6055 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C190T] 1000 @ 0.05560548 = 55.6055 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C200T] 1000 @ 0.05560548 = 55.6055 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: at least we know which way the well funded buyer wants the price to move
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P330T] 1000 @ 0.87442485 = 874.4249 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P340T] 1000 @ 0.93131651 = 931.3165 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P350T] 1000 @ 0.98820817 = 988.2082 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 18.53503, Best ask: 18.59997, Bid-ask spread: 0.06494, Last trade: 18.53503, 24 hour volume: 71924.62261705, 24 hour low: 16.80155, 24 hour high: 19.00000, 24 hour vwap: 17.69668
mircea_popescu: basically people have been adding ~7-8k of notional btc exposure every 10 minutes
mircea_popescu: if these trades unwound there it'd have pushed volume over 100k i guess
jcpham: not really a bad thing if you ask me
jcpham: something should slow those trades a bit when it gets like that
jcpham: it's like you said you can feed it coins and control the rise
jcpham: or maybe you can't anymore...
jcpham: followed bya week of wild
mircea_popescu: and even if i were, fuck me if i'd sell btc in a blowup
Bugpowder: who wants to sell at 20 with a decent shot at 50
mircea_popescu: anyway, if anyone cares max pain is like 17.8 or some shit
jcpham: nd what di we start the day at14?
jcpham: something like that i where i started keeping track
jcpham: my days are running together
gribble: Error: "bc;24hprc" is not a valid command.
jcpham: it's thursday though, right
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C170T] 1000 @ 0.07060548 = 70.6055 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C180T] 1000 @ 0.05560548 = 55.6055 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C190T] 1000 @ 0.05560548 = 55.6055 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C200T] 1000 @ 0.05560548 = 55.6055 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C200T] 4 @ 0.05560548 = 0.2224 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: how can someone with so many coins be so bad at math?
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P330T] 1000 @ 0.8680571 = 868.0571 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P340T] 1000 @ 0.9247558 = 924.7558 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P350T] 1000 @ 0.9814545 = 981.4545 BTC [-]
Namworld: Maybe he just has so much coins, he just HAS to buy these calls/sell these puts
Namworld: then he buys a large stack on MtGox
Bugpowder: if he has 30,000BTC he can afford the 160s
Namworld: He might want quantity over current value
Bugpowder: he could have 30,000 BTC worth of currency to make plays on Gox too
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 27 @ 0.56000001 = 15.12 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: makes sense to spend 50 per call rather than 100 per call.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2685 @ 0.00059897 = 1.6082 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13915 @ 0.00059725 = 8.3107 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C170T] 1000 @ 0.07060548 = 70.6055 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C180T] 1000 @ 0.05560548 = 55.6055 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C190T] 1000 @ 0.05560548 = 55.6055 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C200T] 1000 @ 0.05560548 = 55.6055 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: moreover, if he's for whatever reason short usd, like having taken in btc obligations and usd assets
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P330T] 1000 @ 0.8680571 = 868.0571 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P340T] 1000 @ 0.9247558 = 924.7558 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P350T] 1000 @ 0.9814545 = 981.4545 BTC [-]
Namworld: mircea, should be getting tempting for you to crash MtGox price...
mod6: im starting to wonder if someones bot went on derp mode
mircea_popescu: i kinda like this "s.mpoe worth 600k btc x 50 a pop" business
Namworld: But seems like MPOE will have a bad month. I think people mostly got calls
Namworld: Well, always the next month to earn it back if it doesn't go down soon.
Bugpowder: MPOE averages at 12% return a month
Bugpowder: sometimes you gotta have a bad month
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 18.50713, Best ask: 18.56289, Bid-ask spread: 0.05576, Last trade: 18.56299, 24 hour volume: 69393.03593511, 24 hour low: 16.80155, 24 hour high: 19.00000, 24 hour vwap: 17.73777
gribble: There are currently 17210.139 bitcoins offered at or under 20.0 USD, worth 335788.636849 USD in total.
mod6: i think everyone is just resetting their bids, etc.
mod6: yeah, floor @ 18.50, but might kick back into gear later
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C180T] 1000 @ 0.05560548 = 55.6055 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C190T] 1000 @ 0.05560548 = 55.6055 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C200T] 1000 @ 0.05560548 = 55.6055 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P330T] 1000 @ 0.86700001 = 867 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P340T] 1000 @ 0.92366667 = 923.6667 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P350T] 1000 @ 0.98033334 = 980.3333 BTC [-]
mod6: i think the 1695 wall @ 18.56 is about to fall here...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9950 @ 0.00059982 = 5.9682 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7789 @ 0.00060197 = 4.6887 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C180T] 1000 @ 0.05560548 = 55.6055 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C190T] 1000 @ 0.05560548 = 55.6055 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C200T] 1000 @ 0.05560548 = 55.6055 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 18.48982, Best ask: 18.65502, Bid-ask spread: 0.16520, Last trade: 18.65503, 24 hour volume: 69401.90200137, 24 hour low: 16.80155, 24 hour high: 19.00000, 24 hour vwap: 17.76489
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P330T] 1000 @ 0.8659441 = 865.9441 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P340T] 1000 @ 0.92257877 = 922.5788 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P350T] 1000 @ 0.97921344 = 979.2134 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5810 @ 0.00059725 = 3.47 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10590 @ 0.00059639 = 6.3158 BTC [-]
Namworld: but mostly nothing seems to be happening
mod6: gotta reshuffle before the next leg up :
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00569482 = 5.6948 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2100 @ 0.00568117 = 11.9305 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1100 @ 0.00561477 = 6.1762 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1700 @ 0.0054503 = 9.2655 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 148 @ 0.0054045 = 0.7999 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.00536136 = 2.6807 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 300 @ 0.00531943 = 1.5958 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 217 @ 0.00531943 = 1.1543 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1619 @ 0.00531942 = 8.6121 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 10000 @ 0.0053 = 53 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 10000 @ 0.00525003 = 52.5003 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 15000 @ 0.00525002 = 78.7503 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2350 @ 0.00523421 = 12.3004 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 20000 @ 0.00515 = 103 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 543 @ 0.0051312 = 2.7862 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00513118 = 5.1312 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 50000 @ 0.005 = 250 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2314 @ 0.004901 = 11.3409 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 32 @ 0.00455003 = 0.1456 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1100 @ 0.00430001 = 4.73 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1592 @ 0.00360676 = 5.742 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1800 @ 0.00319 = 5.742 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 900 @ 0.00180002 = 1.62 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 250000 @ 0.0018 = 450 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 4160 @ 0.0014 = 5.824 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 10 @ 0.001 = 0.01 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C180T] 1000 @ 0.05560548 = 55.6055 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C190T] 1000 @ 0.05560548 = 55.6055 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C200T] 985 @ 0.05560548 = 54.7714 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 15000 @ 0.00085848 = 12.8772 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00085848 / 0.00346605 / 0.00614098 (510717 shares, 1,770.17 BTC), 7D: 0.00085848 / 0.0041628 / 0.00614098 (831795 shares, 3,462.60 BTC), 30D: 0.00085848 / 0.00413204 / 0.00614098 (10072631 shares, 41,620.58 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P330T] 1000 @ 0.8659441 = 865.9441 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P340T] 1000 @ 0.92257877 = 922.5788 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P350T] 1000 @ 0.97921344 = 979.2134 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 4109 @ 0.00576956 = 23.7071 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2500 @ 0.00587903 = 14.6976 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1350 @ 0.00592581 = 7.9998 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 10000 @ 0.00609998 = 60.9998 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 4500 @ 0.00609999 = 27.45 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2828 @ 0.00610559 = 17.2666 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 6200 @ 0.00614 = 38.068 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2000 @ 0.006199 = 12.398 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 440 @ 0.00619997 = 2.728 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 10000 @ 0.00619998 = 61.9998 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 10000 @ 0.00619999 = 61.9999 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1259 @ 0.00623784 = 7.8534 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 10000 @ 0.00639999 = 63.9999 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 20000 @ 0.00648999 = 129.7998 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 10000 @ 0.00649 = 64.9 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 10000 @ 0.00659999 = 65.9999 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 10000 @ 0.00679999 = 67.9999 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1658 @ 0.0068 = 11.2744 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 8881 @ 0.00699 = 62.0782 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: and the chinese just announced they're moving the yuan on gold standard.
mircea_popescu: Namworld i seriously would prefer a world run by china to a world run by the us.
Namworld: I prefer a world run by neither
lautaro: Hahahaha! You have not dealt much with the chinese, just wait
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 18.46013, Best ask: 18.58879, Bid-ask spread: 0.12866, Last trade: 18.60000, 24 hour volume: 68374.97603495, 24 hour low: 16.80155, 24 hour high: 19.00000, 24 hour vwap: 17.78022
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00085848 / 0.0040434 / 0.00699 (636442 shares, 2,573.39 BTC), 7D: 0.00085848 / 0.00445507 / 0.00699 (957520 shares, 4,265.82 BTC), 30D: 0.00085848 / 0.00415986 / 0.00699 (10198356 shares, 42,423.80 BTC)
assbot: [HAVELOCK:SDICE] 1D: 0.53000000 / 0.56207879 / 0.58900000 (165 shares, 92.74300018 BTC), 7D: 0.48100000 / 0.54793774 / 0.62000000 (792 shares, 433.96668952 BTC), 30D: 0.37000000 / 0.47047986 / 0.62000000 (4336 shares, 2040.00068950 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13290 @ 0.00059639 = 7.926 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8610 @ 0.00059613 = 5.1327 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 27 @ 0.009 = 0.243 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P330T] 1000 @ 0.8659441 = 865.9441 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 80 @ 0.009 = 0.72 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P340T] 1000 @ 0.92257877 = 922.5788 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P350T] 1000 @ 0.97921344 = 979.2134 BTC [-]
mod6: haha, just a few hours ago
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 1 @ 0.0068 BTC [-]
Namworld: Now would someone be nice enough to loan me some assets on BTCT.co?
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 2 @ 0.0067 = 0.0134 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 18.49144, Best ask: 18.58700, Bid-ask spread: 0.09556, Last trade: 18.58699, 24 hour volume: 68970.80981326, 24 hour low: 16.80155, 24 hour high: 19.00000, 24 hour vwap: 17.79120
Bugpowder: now I have the capital for the calls
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15200 @ 0.00060197 = 9.1499 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: the stink bid strategy works again
Namworld: Someone probably reversed price and amount on that S.DICE. Wanted to sell 50000 @ 500000 for example but sold 500 000 at 50000 and ate all the bids.
mircea_popescu: <assbot> [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1800 @ 0.00319 = 5.742 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: <assbot> [MPEX] [S.DICE] 900 @ 0.00180002 = 1.62 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: <assbot> [MPEX] [S.DICE] 250000 @ 0.0018 = 450 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: <assbot> [MPEX] [S.DICE] 4160 @ 0.0014 = 5.824 BTC [-]
Namworld: Same stupid shit happened on GLBSE, except almost daily.
Bugpowder: This is why I paid jurov to code the confirmation warning into pyMPEX
Bugpowder: now it tells me the total BTC before being sold
Bugpowder: and never was able to buy back all teh shares
mircea_popescu: if this is what happened someone's axing his computar right about now
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00085848 / 0.0040434 / 0.00699 (636442 shares, 2,573.39 BTC), 7D: 0.00085848 / 0.00445404 / 0.00699 (956758 shares, 4,261.44 BTC), 30D: 0.00085848 / 0.00415986 / 0.00699 (10198356 shares, 42,423.80 BTC)
Bugpowder: not using that vwap for my current valuation
Namworld: Ah, and to say I removed my bids for S.DICE at around 0.0018
Namworld: I could have 60k S.DICE right now. At the expense of someone else, of course
dust-otc: i read it as "usagi-ing that shit" for a day
Namworld: down then 20 seconds after, up
mod6: after the dump there was ~500`000 @ .00085848 for about 30 seconds
Namworld: Probably someone going holy fucking shit @&*$@* dumb me fuckin @$@#...
mod6: then the buy for 15`000, then the rest was pulled
mod6: and then someone bought hard
mod6: i couldn't hardly believe my eyes, was O.O
Namworld: yeah, definitly someone interchanging price and amount to sell
Namworld: Want to sell a bit at high price, sold a lot at low price
Namworld: a small error can cost a lot when placing a trade order
Namworld: Biggest I made was a 50 BTC loss
Bugpowder: my better than ponzi portfolio performance continues up parabolically
mircea_popescu: <Namworld> a small error can cost a lot when placing a trade order << it's the nature of the beast. talking directly into the pit, results follow
Namworld: Ok, I'll give you 1 BTC and come back next year for my 200 000 BTC
mircea_popescu: did you make enough for a russian mail order bride yet ?
Bugpowder: I was just talking to her about this topic
Bugpowder: I will trade or sell coins and buy a Tesla model S
Namworld: 25k for a good one. But you can get as low as $2000, but the girl might have a pronounced Adam's apple. I recommend not being a cheapskate.
mircea_popescu: ye see this here car ? i bought myselv this here car on internet funny money
mircea_popescu: and i pay for the electricity throuygh mining for lulz
Bugpowder: Maybe Elon will trade me one for bitcoins.
mircea_popescu: Namworld i dunno dood, that murmansk miner didn't sound like he'd ask for 25k
Namworld: yeah, totally making prices up anyway
Bugpowder: that guy has enough capital to move the market
Bugpowder: thats at least 60,000 BTC in deposits
Namworld: I lost the opportunity of cheap S.DICE
Namworld: Because I bought 1800 calls at 17
Namworld: Would have loved to catch those cheap S.DICE
Bugpowder: the current great idea is rarely the best
Namworld: Eh, you can't have capital in escrow on everything
Namworld: Well you can, but only by spreading what you have available
Namworld: I sunk about 450 BTC in S.BVPS
Bugpowder: This guy buys 30,000 calls, shorts 27,000 puts 16 hours before opex
Namworld: I had a large order for lowball S.DICE before
Bugpowder: I think he is going to make a play to push the price
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 18.34886, Best ask: 18.47000, Bid-ask spread: 0.12114, Last trade: 18.47776, 24 hour volume: 69656.34524887, 24 hour low: 16.80155, 24 hour high: 19.00000, 24 hour vwap: 17.82456
Bugpowder: because they went off at the same time
mircea_popescu: rally looks well spent actually. maybe in a few hours it starts over
mircea_popescu: imo it's obviously two diff guys. other than very diff economics involved, one put in a calls order and left
Namworld: that explains why options are no longer sold...
mircea_popescu: it originally had 5k of any option, but then i expanded hiom to 8k
Bugpowder: if he put up a simlar bid on the 160s id be tempted to cash it.
Bugpowder: they must know something is coming
mircea_popescu: so they went fuck it, lose some coins, not lose the house
mircea_popescu: whereas the puts are speculative, expects price increase
mircea_popescu: but there's no way t oexplain why he only bought the cheap ones and all of them
mod6: be right back in 15 minutes
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20318 @ 0.00059855 = 12.1613 BTC [-]
mod6: Namworld: lot of action tonight
Namworld: I'm pissed at Amazingrando tho
Namworld: I could have had 770 BTC extra on orders...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6518 @ 0.00059855 = 3.9013 BTC [-]
Namworld: Would definitly have caught lots of S.DICE
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15000 @ 0.00059855 = 8.9783 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1900 @ 0.00059867 = 1.1375 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24711 @ 0.00060197 = 14.8753 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13800 @ 0.00060365 = 8.3304 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2764 @ 0.00060395 = 1.6693 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10994 @ 0.00060696 = 6.6729 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18250 @ 0.00059907 = 10.933 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3869 @ 0.00060412 = 2.3373 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5832 @ 0.00059855 = 3.4907 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2606 @ 0.00060696 = 1.5817 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12044 @ 0.00060961 = 7.3421 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2822 @ 0.00060786 = 1.7154 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11348 @ 0.00060961 = 6.9179 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 8 @ 0.56000001 = 4.48 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1158 @ 0.00060961 = 0.7059 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4325 @ 0.00061136 = 2.6441 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1128 @ 0.00060786 = 0.6857 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7600 @ 0.00060676 = 4.6114 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5632 @ 0.00059855 = 3.371 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6440 @ 0.00059805 = 3.8514 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12900 @ 0.00061136 = 7.8865 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8610 @ 0.00059805 = 5.1492 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7818 @ 0.00059686 = 4.6663 BTC [-]
markedathome: I saw, are we heading up with the arrival of asics "confirmed", or will it spike with the actual delivery?
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.0061 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12783 @ 0.00061136 = 7.815 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1017 @ 0.00061137 = 0.6218 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12600 @ 0.00060731 = 7.6521 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8705 @ 0.00060687 = 5.2828 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 1 @ 0.7469 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 1 @ 0.747 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5750 @ 0.00061137 = 3.5154 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4450 @ 0.00061137 = 2.7206 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4104 @ 0.0006069 = 2.4907 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7050 @ 0.00060579 = 4.2708 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 600 @ 0.0061225 = 3.6735 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 1 @ 0.76 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3703 @ 0.00060292 = 2.2326 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10353 @ 0.00061137 = 6.3295 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13133 @ 0.00061148 = 8.0306 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2214 @ 0.00061155 = 1.354 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 400 @ 0.0061 = 2.44 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2000 @ 0.0062 = 12.4 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1586 @ 0.00061155 = 0.9699 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24 @ 0.0006117 = 0.0147 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19390 @ 0.00061269 = 11.8801 BTC [+]
azx: are people running away from mpex?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8949 @ 0.0006138 = 5.4929 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4173 @ 0.00061461 = 2.5648 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1177 @ 0.00061461 = 0.7234 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14996 @ 0.00061857 = 9.2761 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8427 @ 0.00061947 = 5.2203 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7200 @ 0.00061947 = 4.4602 BTC [+]
jurov: first i was liek "fine mircea added C350Ts"
jurov: then as i read further.... O.o
jurov: why not add 400, 450 & 500 preemptively? at least for next month :D
jurov: azx: no, just cashing out of s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12255 @ 0.00061939 = 7.5906 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1823 @ 0.00061947 = 1.1293 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12250 @ 0.00061961 = 7.5902 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3513 @ 0.00061987 = 2.1776 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12214 @ 0.00062104 = 7.5854 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6888 @ 0.00062123 = 4.279 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00062148 = 3.1074 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14700 @ 0.00062149 = 9.1359 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62 @ 0.00062217 = 0.0386 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 219 @ 0.00629498 = 1.3786 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 18.44022, Best ask: 18.47841, Bid-ask spread: 0.03819, Last trade: 18.44022, 24 hour volume: 75519.29148676, 24 hour low: 17.05000, 24 hour high: 19.00000, 24 hour vwap: 17.99835
gribble: Error: "bc,24hpric" is not a valid command.
gribble: Error: "bc,vwap" is not a valid command.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.588 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5874 @ 0.00061939 = 3.6383 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 410 @ 0.00629498 = 2.5809 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1650 @ 0.00633755 = 10.457 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1234 @ 0.00633881 = 7.8221 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10338 @ 0.00062217 = 6.432 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11540 @ 0.00062241 = 7.1826 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 11 @ 0.588 = 6.468 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.58889999 = 5.889 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.589 = 5.89 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17060 @ 0.00062241 = 10.6183 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9140 @ 0.00062318 = 5.6959 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3175 @ 0.00062318 = 1.9786 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3575 @ 0.00062348 = 2.2289 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10125 @ 0.00062348 = 6.3127 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3286 @ 0.00062361 = 2.0492 BTC [+]
gribble: There are currently 44128.376 bitcoins offered at or under 40.0 USD, worth 1010511.53039 USD in total.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 18.48000, Best ask: 18.50000, Bid-ask spread: 0.02000, Last trade: 18.50000, 24 hour volume: 76763.96484102, 24 hour low: 17.10004, 24 hour high: 19.00000, 24 hour vwap: 18.01526
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C200N] 5 @ 0.19895192 = 0.9948 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1214 @ 0.00062361 = 0.7571 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14646 @ 0.00062363 = 9.1337 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6738 @ 0.00061939 = 4.1734 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2200 @ 0.00061935 = 1.3626 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14062 @ 0.00061112 = 8.5936 BTC [-]
gribble: There are currently 0 bitcoins demanded at or over 20.0 USD, worth 0.0 USD in total.
gribble: There are currently 6778.2965 bitcoins demanded at or over 18.0 USD, worth 122876.220554 USD in total.
gribble: There are currently 20896.425 bitcoins offered at or under 20.0 USD, worth 406395.170917 USD in total.
gribble: There are currently 20896.425 bitcoins offered at or under 20.0 USD, worth 406395.170917 USD in total.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00062362 = 6.2362 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9104 @ 0.00062363 = 5.6775 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13353 @ 0.00062412 = 8.3339 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12900 @ 0.00062431 = 8.0536 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4875 @ 0.00062453 = 3.0446 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3284 @ 0.00061112 = 2.0069 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8266 @ 0.00061072 = 5.0482 BTC [-]
assbot: !ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 100 @ 0.00626855 = 0.6269 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 18.57001, Best ask: 18.59000, Bid-ask spread: 0.01999, Last trade: 18.59000, 24 hour volume: 78383.80738228, 24 hour low: 17.20000, 24 hour high: 19.00000, 24 hour vwap: 18.05618
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00061527 = 5.7835 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6987 @ 0.00062453 = 4.3636 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11150 @ 0.00061072 = 6.8095 BTC [-]
pigeons: so what happened to matthew_'s "CREATE" asset? I don't see it on btct.co. Moderators nixed it?
gribble: Namworld was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 hours, 55 minutes, and 7 seconds ago: <Namworld> Would definitly have caught lots of S.DICE
pigeons: thestringpuller: it was supposed to be somebody wanted to raise the money to buy a 3d printer via shares and had some wishful model of earning repayment
pigeons: "COINURL-UPAGAIN" from ltc-global
jcpham: spam my links for free coins yo
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 688 @ 0.00062453 = 0.4297 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11268 @ 0.00062484 = 7.0407 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28550 @ 0.00062491 = 17.8412 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6794 @ 0.00062535 = 4.2486 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK:SDICE] 1D: 0.53000000 / 0.56613659 / 0.58900000 (205 shares, 116.05800016 BTC), 7D: 0.48100000 / 0.54961742 / 0.62000000 (832 shares, 457.28168950 BTC), 30D: 0.37000000 / 0.47150724 / 0.62000000 (4376 shares, 2063.31568948 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1045 @ 0.00617711 = 6.4551 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3311 @ 0.00061072 = 2.0221 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 0.98911 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5141 @ 0.00062088 = 3.1919 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.6 = 3 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14619 @ 0.0006225 = 9.1003 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8731 @ 0.00062535 = 5.4599 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 949 @ 0.00611028 = 5.7987 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 151 @ 0.00608472 = 0.9188 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9275 @ 0.00062535 = 5.8001 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5655 @ 0.00062771 = 3.5497 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3540 @ 0.00062088 = 2.1979 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1809 @ 0.00061072 = 1.1048 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 35 @ 0.6 = 21 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 24 @ 0.59 = 14.16 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00085848 / 0.00388862 / 0.00699 (580455 shares, 2,257.17 BTC), 7D: 0.00085848 / 0.00446314 / 0.00699 (960166 shares, 4,285.36 BTC), 30D: 0.00085848 / 0.00416201 / 0.00699 (10201064 shares, 42,456.94 BTC)
jcpham: i have deposits piling up taking up space
mircea_popescu: deadweasek dun worry, late bets will be simply refunded.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 18.65001, Best ask: 18.72819, Bid-ask spread: 0.07818, Last trade: 18.75000, 24 hour volume: 80260.71643879, 24 hour low: 17.20270, 24 hour high: 19.00000, 24 hour vwap: 18.09495
jcpham: gott aget it out of the bank account at some point in time
deadweasek: wait, what? I was reading that how bitcoin dies blog post.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 18.65001, Best ask: 18.69980, Bid-ask spread: 0.04979, Last trade: 18.75000, 24 hour volume: 80238.59030408, 24 hour low: 17.20270, 24 hour high: 19.00000, 24 hour vwap: 18.09525
mircea_popescu: dasher Any ideas why this bet is still open? << dun worry, late bets will be simply refunded.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 26 @ 0.59 = 15.34 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00085848 / 0.00388862 / 0.00699 (580455 shares, 2,257.17 BTC), 7D: 0.00085848 / 0.00446314 / 0.00699 (960166 shares, 4,285.36 BTC), 30D: 0.00085848 / 0.00416201 / 0.00699 (10201064 shares, 42,456.94 BTC)
dasher: Nope Mircea - the other one along the same lines has closed.. so _shrugs_
dasher: heh - just looking to reroll winnings into other bets :)
topace: was quite the night for s.dice i see
topace: someone fuck up their order?
topace: do price|amount instead of amount|price
topace: i benefited, i had 10000 bid at 0.52, whoop
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 18.75000, Best ask: 18.79990, Bid-ask spread: 0.04990, Last trade: 18.79990, 24 hour volume: 79765.51885946, 24 hour low: 17.20270, 24 hour high: 19.00000, 24 hour vwap: 18.11603
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00062455 = 5.8708 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 500 @ 0.00062683 = 0.3134 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4450 @ 0.00061338 = 2.7295 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3600 @ 0.00061072 = 2.1986 BTC [-]
deadweasek: idiot here --> on the bitcoinity.org/markets site, do the green bid bars and red ask bars mean something more when they cross the midline?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2614 @ 0.00061072 = 1.5964 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17986 @ 0.00060917 = 10.9565 BTC [-]
deadweasek: left Y axis goes from zero to 7000, right Y axis goes from 10k to -10k .... trying to sort that one out. Left Y axis is volume, but the bars don't start at the bottom.
deadweasek: bah, it's not like this market is predictable.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 18.70381, Best ask: 18.83999, Bid-ask spread: 0.13618, Last trade: 18.84000, 24 hour volume: 78585.09866303, 24 hour low: 17.25201, 24 hour high: 19.00000, 24 hour vwap: 18.14858
topace: deadweasek: volume weighted average price
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 467 @ 0.00060917 = 0.2845 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3047 @ 0.0006084 = 1.8538 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12546 @ 0.00060745 = 7.6211 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 18.72801, Best ask: 18.78999, Bid-ask spread: 0.06198, Last trade: 18.72752, 24 hour volume: 78333.41354544, 24 hour low: 17.25201, 24 hour high: 19.00000, 24 hour vwap: 18.15736
mircea_popescu: im suing Bugpowder for emotional distress because i was all hopeful and shit and he mislead my feelings
deadweasek: how bitcoin dies -- i hope people get to the comments.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1849 @ 0.00608472 = 11.2506 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1269 @ 0.00605027 = 7.6778 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3450 @ 0.00604854 = 20.8675 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: i had an exchange with the guy where he was explaining to me why mpex doesn't work
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5515 @ 0.00062771 = 3.4618 BTC [+]
jurov: just reading trilema...so coinurl was sold, like, domain, code,everything... but without any btc balances? that's genial
jurov: i'm totally selling coinbr in such manner, anyone?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.58 BTC [-]
jurov: 1btc, bah. i'll rathher put it to bitmit
mircea_popescu: Dude, seriously, enough with this bullshit. Nobody cares about the US. Literally, nobody.
mircea_popescu: If tomorrow some douche in the colonies "unseals" - heh, aren't we uppity & pretentious all of a sudden, unsealing shit and whatnot - whatever the hell he pleases it's going to make the proverbial sound of the tree falling in the empty forest.
mircea_popescu: All this aside, if you ever get some Bitcoin together to put in the general vicinty of your disproportionately large mouth, you know where to buy the PUTs.
mircea_popescu: so the question is, does mr smartass buy the puts nao.
mircea_popescu: jurov lol myeah. those doods are incredible, seriously.
mircea_popescu: that mclovin character was running memcached as a process from a memcache user and didn't then know what he's running.
mircea_popescu: or why "niothing happens". or why cpu is at 2% but the server crawls.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 50 @ 0.58 = 29 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 19.01000, Best ask: 19.01098, Bid-ask spread: 0.00098, Last trade: 19.01000, 24 hour volume: 82712.54948507, 24 hour low: 17.25201, 24 hour high: 19.01000, 24 hour vwap: 18.20757
mircea_popescu: i just realised that mpex is actually likely to survive longer than the us federal government.
jurov: ^^^ eskimobob, you don't have anything to say about that??
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 19.02240, Best ask: 19.03475, Bid-ask spread: 0.01235, Last trade: 19.02240, 24 hour volume: 82880.87173367, 24 hour low: 17.25201, 24 hour high: 19.04000, 24 hour vwap: 18.21658
dasher: humm.. it's still open & accepting bets...
deadweasek: there must be some tech startup who just sold his company to google getting in on bitcoin. Maybe he's gonna pump it up and dump it all?
kakobrekla: dasher, it will be handled now and be late bets will be reveresd
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00085848 / 0.00390866 / 0.00699 (585823 shares, 2,289.78 BTC), 7D: 0.00085848 / 0.00447325 / 0.00699 (966234 shares, 4,322.21 BTC), 30D: 0.00085848 / 0.00416323 / 0.00699 (10207632 shares, 42,496.73 BTC)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.575 = 2.875 BTC [-]
gribble: There are currently 8.2829881 bitcoins demanded at or over 19.0 USD, worth 157.738160861 USD in total.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.561 = 5.61 BTC [-]
gribble: There are currently 8588.2369 bitcoins demanded at or over 18.0 USD, worth 158032.392631 USD in total.
gribble: There are currently 3632.5744 bitcoins demanded at or over 18.5 USD, worth 68002.9997632 USD in total.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.56000001 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.56000001 = 2.8 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 6 @ 0.516 = 3.096 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23200 @ 0.00062151 = 14.419 BTC [-]
gribble: There are currently 40126.935 bitcoins offered at or under 99.0 USD, worth 1137303.98882 USD in total.
mircea_popescu: so in the end what's the story with basic, did they refund or didn't they refund ?
mircea_popescu: a, so it's not done yet ? i had the notion from reading tom's drivel that it's 90% done three days ago
kakobrekla: so they decided they wont go fwd with it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.00062151 = 3.7291 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1090 @ 0.00062563 = 0.6819 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: and just return the money to whoever was left
pigeons: ok he erased the post where he was selling his fpga chips off
mircea_popescu: I have the list of BTC Refunds and should be making those today.
mircea_popescu: All other CC orders will automatically be refunded today.
mircea_popescu: according to eskimoblob i run the entire world by now.
mircea_popescu: anyway, back to tom : "this forum will be locked from this point forward - if I need to tell you anything else I will post again otherwise you will not hear from me - your refund will come automatically and theres no reason for communication."
kakobrekla: put me in charge of ministry of sillywalks pls
kakobrekla: i have been developing this walk since the high school
jcpham: basic got chargeback'd
mircea_popescu: It's not particularly silly, is it? I mean, the right leg isn't silly at all and the left leg merely does a forward aerial half turn every alternate step.
jcpham: fuck them and their payment processor
jcpham: i paid with 120 days of credit card window goodness
mircea_popescu: i srsly don't understand ppl trying to push bitcoin for retail.
mircea_popescu: i don't how how i'd sell a small merchant on taking btc. it makes no business sense at all.
jcpham: buying computer hardware, of all things
mircea_popescu: but hey, i prefer to think the retaul btc people just know shit better than me.
assbot: [HAVELOCK:SDICE] 1D: 0.51600000 / 0.57404839 / 0.60000000 (372 shares, 213.54600022 BTC), 7D: 0.48100000 / 0.55883394 / 0.62000000 (866 shares, 483.95018966 BTC), 30D: 0.37000000 / 0.47564628 / 0.62000000 (4544 shares, 2161.33668954 BTC)
deadweasek: what do you think the psychological reaction will be IF we hit 20?
jcpham: i get the idea of retail bitcoin
jcpham: but pre-ordering computer hardware with it
mircea_popescu: jcpham it's not really hardware in any way. it's more like verysoft ware.
jcpham: but it comes in plastic case so we can call it hardware
jcpham: moore's law should apply to it
mircea_popescu: deadweasek i just meant, the only effect of btc going over 20 will be a buncha people posting more on forum
jcpham: which means you shouldn't spend deflationary money on thing governed by Moore
mircea_popescu: but he's this italian comedy guy. unfortunate accountant.
mircea_popescu: one time he goes on a trip with the megadirettore generale who's an invederate gambler
mircea_popescu: and ends up drinking galons of the world's most carbonated mineral water because the director guy thinks fantozzi has to keep doing what he was doing when the director got good cards. for hours.
jurov: and let it better be sante fe rice !
gribble: There are currently 12905.743 bitcoins offered at or under 20.0 USD, worth 254721.219965 USD in total.
deadweasek: where can I find a long list of all trades / price / volume that updates?
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 19.01879, Best ask: 19.05000, Bid-ask spread: 0.03121, Last trade: 19.01879, 24 hour volume: 87334.42598055, 24 hour low: 17.25201, 24 hour high: 19.18999, 24 hour vwap: 18.26906
gribble: There are currently 114.58398 bitcoins demanded at or over 18.9 USD, worth 2168.8533383 USD in total.
gribble: There are currently 0 bitcoins offered at or under 18.9 USD, worth 0.0 USD in total.
gribble: There are currently 9.7825458 bitcoins offered at or under 18.9 USD, worth 184.890114864 USD in total.
gribble: There are currently 4182.6565 bitcoins offered at or under 19.5 USD, worth 80674.7192724 USD in total.
gribble: There are currently 1948.0083 bitcoins demanded at or over 18.5 USD, worth 36316.6269025 USD in total.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 18.69115, Best ask: 18.70000, Bid-ask spread: 0.00885, Last trade: 18.70000, 24 hour volume: 89489.10759434, 24 hour low: 17.25201, 24 hour high: 19.18999, 24 hour vwap: 18.28997
gribble: Current Blocks: 217868 | Current Difficulty: 2968775.3320751 | Next Difficulty At Block: 219743 | Next Difficulty In: 1875 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 15 hours, 7 minutes, and 30 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 3082762.10767147 | Estimated Percent Change: 3.83952178411
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 4 @ 1 = 4 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 2 @ 1 = 2 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: the good news is that the selloff actually drives the 24hprc up
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.516 = 2.064 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.515 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.481 = 4.81 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: any trade that goes off over 24hprc I am happy with
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 8 @ 0.48 = 3.84 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 18.29000, Best ask: 18.30000, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 18.30000, 24 hour volume: 95033.95842525, 24 hour low: 17.25201, 24 hour high: 19.18999, 24 hour vwap: 18.30738
gribble: Nick 'smickles', with hostmask 'smickles!~smickles@67.222.146.32', is not identified.
Korbman: it was bound to happen eventually
Korbman: I was expecting a $1 plummet the other day, but looks like today was the day instead
Korbman: and now a wall is beginning to develop
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 18.31000, Best ask: 18.41000, Bid-ask spread: 0.10000, Last trade: 18.41000, 24 hour volume: 95812.05183024, 24 hour low: 17.25201, 24 hour high: 19.18999, 24 hour vwap: 18.30787
Bugpowder: the guy that bot the C180,190,200s is feeling sad
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder if he overhedged yes. otherwise he's prolly going sigh of relief
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8492 @ 0.00062563 = 5.3128 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 1 @ 0.0085 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 220 @ 0.007 = 1.54 BTC [-]
gribble: Error: "ask" is not a valid command.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 18.58724, Best ask: 18.60670, Bid-ask spread: 0.01946, Last trade: 18.61215, 24 hour volume: 98078.71436442, 24 hour low: 17.25201, 24 hour high: 19.18999, 24 hour vwap: 18.30869
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 18.62001, Best ask: 18.74899, Bid-ask spread: 0.12898, Last trade: 18.74899, 24 hour volume: 99276.17262119, 24 hour low: 17.25201, 24 hour high: 19.18999, 24 hour vwap: 18.31400
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P330T] 1000 @ 0.8076674 = 807.6674 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P340T] 1000 @ 0.86253611 = 862.5361 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P350T] 1000 @ 0.91740482 = 917.4048 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.48 = 1.44 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: hey is the 2% mkopt fee on the deposit or the sale price?
Chilca: HI, I'm trying to understand how to install gribble, does anybody has experience?
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C120T] 900 @ 0.34565429 = 311.0889 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: you mean install as in run the bot yourself on a vps ?
Chilca: I see that, and I'm looking into the source code now
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C200T] 440 @ 0.05560548 = 24.4664 BTC [+]
gribble: There are currently 1738.429 bitcoins demanded at or over 18.5 USD, worth 32321.7429128 USD in total.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4839 @ 0.00061831 = 2.992 BTC [-]
gribble: There are currently 209.75996 bitcoins offered at or under 18.9 USD, worth 3964.05008153 USD in total.
assbot: !ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 48 @ 0.48 = 23.04 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C200T] 28 @ 0.05560548 = 1.557 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 18.71106, Best ask: 18.80000, Bid-ask spread: 0.08894, Last trade: 18.80000, 24 hour volume: 100285.46180228, 24 hour low: 17.25201, 24 hour high: 19.18999, 24 hour vwap: 18.32253
Bugpowder: protip : anyone that is sitting with lots of BTC in their account should probably sell short the C200Ts
Bugpowder: at these are 95% chance going to expire worthless
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 18.64001, Best ask: 18.72405, Bid-ask spread: 0.08404, Last trade: 18.72405, 24 hour volume: 100798.71042195, 24 hour low: 17.25201, 24 hour high: 19.18999, 24 hour vwap: 18.32833
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11300 @ 0.00062218 = 7.0306 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5629 @ 0.00062563 = 3.5217 BTC [+]
gribble: There are currently 46311.125 bitcoins offered at or under 35.0 USD, worth 1175233.51427 USD in total.
deadweasek: i'm clapping my hands as fast as i can
mircea_popescu: it's easy to tell, cause bot stops quoting in the last 24 hours
gribble: There are currently 14737.674 bitcoins offered at or under 20.0 USD, worth 289424.291591 USD in total.
mircea_popescu: assbot> [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C200T] 28 @ 0.05560548 = 1.557 BTC [+] < that ?
Namworld: Not sure people buying C200T calls are getting a good deal...
deadweasel: which bot stopped quoting in last 24 hours?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 550 @ 0.00598118 = 3.2896 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 18.49451, Best ask: 18.50000, Bid-ask spread: 0.00549, Last trade: 18.50773, 24 hour volume: 101961.40270952, 24 hour low: 17.25201, 24 hour high: 19.18999, 24 hour vwap: 18.33730
gribble: There are currently 0 bitcoins demanded at or over 18.5 USD, worth 0.0 USD in total.
gribble: There are currently 7572.9213 bitcoins demanded at or over 18.0 USD, worth 137390.190975 USD in total.
gribble: There are currently 3490.0446 bitcoins offered at or under 18.5 USD, worth 64216.8212472 USD in total.
gribble: There are currently 3130.1004 bitcoins demanded at or over 18.2 USD, worth 57108.4266494 USD in total.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22100 @ 0.00062144 = 13.7338 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3911 @ 0.00061831 = 2.4182 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9100 @ 0.00061744 = 5.6187 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.00061489 = 3.4434 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4789 @ 0.00061474 = 2.944 BTC [-]
nanotube: ;;whatis #supybot installguide
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4961 @ 0.00061474 = 3.0497 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 17.75000, Best ask: 18.20000, Bid-ask spread: 0.45000, Last trade: 18.20000, 24 hour volume: 110245.87360784, 24 hour low: 17.25201, 24 hour high: 19.18999, 24 hour vwap: 18.32315
Namworld: thestringpuller: We still accept BitPay, or on request direct BTC payment
mod6: 6168 sold, now @ 17.85
deadweasel: i vunder vhat zee ruzzians vill do tonight?
Namworld: The combination of puts/calls make 17.75 the worst price for BTC to end at?
gribble: There are currently 2.7014995 bitcoins demanded at or over 18.0 USD, worth 49.0104492962 USD in total.
mircea_popescu: Namworld i haven't calced it exactly but i guess around the 17.8
gribble: There are currently 0 bitcoins offered at or under 17.75 USD, worth 0.0 USD in total.
gribble: There are currently 0 bitcoins offered at or under 18.0 USD, worth 0.0 USD in total.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 17.80000, Best ask: 17.80212, Bid-ask spread: 0.00212, Last trade: 17.80212, 24 hour volume: 110717.50956619, 24 hour low: 17.25201, 24 hour high: 19.18999, 24 hour vwap: 18.32198
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15834 @ 0.0006144 = 9.7284 BTC [-]
Namworld: Someone just sold a few thousands, nothing big
Namworld: You can see the line back up in price is very thin
Namworld: I don't think it will end on "max pain"
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 18.00519, Best ask: 18.01000, Bid-ask spread: 0.00481, Last trade: 18.01000, 24 hour volume: 111696.06234082, 24 hour low: 17.25201, 24 hour high: 19.18999, 24 hour vwap: 18.31988
gribble: There are currently 2802.5713 bitcoins offered at or under 19.0 USD, worth 51995.2367015 USD in total.
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00085848 / 0.00388776 / 0.00699 (580073 shares, 2,255.19 BTC), 7D: 0.00085848 / 0.00446834 / 0.00699 (963061 shares, 4,303.29 BTC), 30D: 0.00085848 / 0.00416332 / 0.00699 (10208182 shares, 42,500.02 BTC)
gribble: There are currently 924.42797 bitcoins demanded at or over 18.0 USD, worth 16639.9980641 USD in total.
Namworld: Yup, we're trending back toward 19
Namworld: I doubt that's conclusive of anything. Those who have bitcoins probably already know where to sell them.
Namworld: Whereas the bitcoinless might be clueless about where to buy them.
kakobrekla: at the place where they bought them :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9250 @ 0.00061531 = 5.6916 BTC [+]
deadweasel: i just thought it was interesting. graphs are pretty. I'll be your blonde for the day.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8589 @ 0.00062563 = 5.3735 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3261 @ 0.00062594 = 2.0412 BTC [+]
gribble: There are currently 19030.797 bitcoins offered at or under 20.0 USD, worth 368929.2886 USD in total.
gribble: There are currently 51898.3 bitcoins offered at or under 35.0 USD, worth 1279317.19633 USD in total.
gribble: There are currently 37989.235 bitcoins offered at or under 30.0 USD, worth 836972.731819 USD in total.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 18.01111, Best ask: 18.08999, Bid-ask spread: 0.07888, Last trade: 18.09000, 24 hour volume: 114500.07664483, 24 hour low: 17.25201, 24 hour high: 19.18999, 24 hour vwap: 18.31550
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13989 @ 0.00062594 = 8.7563 BTC [+]
mod6: 5000 sold down to $17.32
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C160T] 1000 @ 0.12701747 = 127.0175 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 17.25500, Best ask: 17.80000, Bid-ask spread: 0.54500, Last trade: 17.80000, 24 hour volume: 120690.48492288, 24 hour low: 17.25201, 24 hour high: 19.18999, 24 hour vwap: 18.28021
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C160T] 1000 @ 0.12558065 = 125.5807 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P200T] 380 @ 0.11898031 = 45.2125 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P190T] 1000 @ 0.06416795 = 64.168 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C170T] 1000 @ 0.07074194 = 70.7419 BTC [+]
Namworld: Interesting... significant raise in asks
gribble: There are currently 28544.302 bitcoins offered at or under 20.0 USD, worth 544085.645737 USD in total.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 17.58265, Best ask: 17.70000, Bid-ask spread: 0.11735, Last trade: 17.70000, 24 hour volume: 121181.30061837, 24 hour low: 17.25201, 24 hour high: 19.18999, 24 hour vwap: 18.27707
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P200T] 620 @ 0.11898031 = 73.7678 BTC [-]
gribble: There are currently 33198.198 bitcoins offered at or under 20.0 USD, worth 629272.33256 USD in total.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 17.35400, Best ask: 17.58265, Bid-ask spread: 0.22865, Last trade: 17.58265, 24 hour volume: 121527.61952533, 24 hour low: 17.25201, 24 hour high: 19.18999, 24 hour vwap: 18.27448
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 17.35000, Best ask: 17.58165, Bid-ask spread: 0.23165, Last trade: 17.58165, 24 hour volume: 121535.07032037, 24 hour low: 17.25201, 24 hour high: 19.18999, 24 hour vwap: 18.27443
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P190T] 1000 @ 0.0650654 = 65.0654 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C170T] 834 @ 0.06972141 = 58.1477 BTC [-]
gribble: There are currently 33200.54 bitcoins offered at or under 20.0 USD, worth 630008.064237 USD in total.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 17.45798, Best ask: 17.58165, Bid-ask spread: 0.12367, Last trade: 17.58165, 24 hour volume: 121465.95922053, 24 hour low: 17.25201, 24 hour high: 19.18999, 24 hour vwap: 18.27491
dub: goxlive working for anyone?
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 17.55475, Best ask: 17.58165, Bid-ask spread: 0.02690, Last trade: 17.58165, 24 hour volume: 121466.86376050, 24 hour low: 17.25201, 24 hour high: 19.18999, 24 hour vwap: 18.27491
dub: moody is dropping the socket for me
dub: dude we want moar afk from him
Namworld: Well anyway, I cashed out my calls.
Namworld: It's swinging wildly and I'm not sure what direction it's going to take
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C160T] 400 @ 0.12462015 = 49.8481 BTC [-]
mod6: i think it just needs to re-group and restack the bid side
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P180T] 5 @ 0.01714312 = 0.0857 BTC [-]
mod6: lots more selling, dudes need to take some profits before next leg up i guess.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 16.90000, Best ask: 17.04931, Bid-ask spread: 0.14931, Last trade: 17.04931, 24 hour volume: 128741.64517108, 24 hour low: 16.90000, 24 hour high: 19.18999, 24 hour vwap: 18.20612
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P190T] 700 @ 0.06803599 = 47.6252 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 16.90000, Best ask: 17.04931, Bid-ask spread: 0.14931, Last trade: 17.04931, 24 hour volume: 128662.61322857, 24 hour low: 16.90000, 24 hour high: 19.18999, 24 hour vwap: 18.20661
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11411 @ 0.00062641 = 7.148 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7089 @ 0.00062294 = 4.416 BTC [-]
Namworld: actually each time there's a raise in BTC price, it ends up with a few days where it skyrockets before falling wildly.
dub: rather than ticker every 9 seconds, you could join -markets or -rt
kakobrekla: [20:51:08] Kyklos Trader: is that moron of s3052
kakobrekla: [20:51:13] Kyklos Trader: he probably sent a sell warning
kakobrekla: [20:51:18] Kyklos Trader: and all his stupid customers selling
Namworld: Although nothing says history will repeat itself...
deadweasel: 'analyst' selling 'analyses' on bitcointalk
dub: pied piper of speculation forum
mod6: oh, the guy with the charts for sale?
dub: jcpham: cocain is a helluva drug
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 16.95000, Best ask: 17.04831, Bid-ask spread: 0.09831, Last trade: 16.95000, 24 hour volume: 128417.99846413, 24 hour low: 16.90000, 24 hour high: 19.18999, 24 hour vwap: 18.20810
dub: 14:53] --- kakobrekla [~T42@89-212-41-49.static.t-2.net] has joined #bitcoin-analysis
dub: [14:53] --- kakobrekla has left #bitcoin-analysis []
dub: missed opportunity there!
Namworld: Damn Mr. officer, I didn't know!
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 16.95000, Best ask: 17.03000, Bid-ask spread: 0.08000, Last trade: 17.03000, 24 hour volume: 128420.24466504, 24 hour low: 16.90000, 24 hour high: 19.18999, 24 hour vwap: 18.20805
assbot: [HAVELOCK:SDICE] 1D: 0.48000000 / 0.55930046 / 0.60000000 (436 shares, 243.85500031 BTC), 7D: 0.48000000 / 0.55210064 / 0.62000000 (916 shares, 505.72418966 BTC), 30D: 0.37000000 / 0.47575697 / 0.62000000 (4618 shares, 2197.04568954 BTC)
Namworld: Okay, it would have worked a bit better if I had said under 16...
Namworld: I wasn't answering to mircea =/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1728 @ 0.00062771 = 1.0847 BTC [+]
smickles: my bot put in a sell@market right at the fucking peak
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13700 @ 0.00062933 = 8.6218 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3122 @ 0.00063031 = 1.9678 BTC [+]
dub: I think the little gox engine that could, in fact couldnt
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P190T] 1000 @ 0.06897496 = 68.975 BTC [+]
smickles: Bugpowder: but it sold when there were bids at ~19.19
Namworld: Why does BTC price always slowly walk up to the cliff then do a a rocket launch before diving into the ocean?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15561 @ 0.00062294 = 9.6936 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 116 @ 0.00061531 = 0.0714 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6323 @ 0.00061382 = 3.8812 BTC [-]
mod6: it builds and builds, and then just about every time someone comes in and flushes about 100,000 to take profits
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7878 @ 0.00063031 = 4.9656 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11648 @ 0.0006308 = 7.3476 BTC [+]
deadweasel: is it actually possible to know it's a single person?
mod6: its hard to say. im sure its not though.
deadweasel: i would tend to agree, but I just assume.
deadweasel: feels like some rich mofos have their hands in it now.
deadweasel: course i have no skills so I just trade on feelings
deadweasel: feeeeeeelings, nothing but feeeeeeelings
Namworld: the BTC market is probably being played...
Namworld: for those who get paid for service and immediatly cash out tho, no problem
mod6: maybe so... but someday these $4-6 swings won't be as meaningful. think of the gold price, moves up and down sometimes $100 per day.
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P330T] 1000 @ 0.99330402 = 993.304 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P340T] 1000 @ 1.06037384 = 1060.3738 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P350T] 1000 @ 1.12744366 = 1127.4437 BTC [+]
jcpham: buyers at 19 crying in -otc
mircea_popescu: ok so guy bought for what, like 900ish, covering for 1kish, that's 100 btc each line for mpoe
Bugpowder: cover the 27000 contracts of exposure
mod6: he would have been dancing if the price had shot to $50 though
Namworld: Well looks like a good month for MPOE coming up in the end
mircea_popescu: let everyone know : adding more options is serving your shareholders.
Namworld: Well the options are well priced...
mircea_popescu: Namworld it was ahead a coupla k's, prolly like >5k this month.
Namworld: When I trade them, I wait for high volatility and trade them live and stick around.
Namworld: Because current trading is often 1-2 USD different than average and average moves fast
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P330T] 1000 @ 1.0006288 = 1000.6288 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P340T] 1000 @ 1.06792058 = 1067.9206 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P350T] 1000 @ 1.13521236 = 1135.2124 BTC [+]
dub: <DeLorean731> it's like there's another pirate scheme or something d:
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P190T] 816 @ 0.07206487 = 58.8049 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P180T] 1 @ 0.01966399 BTC [+]
gribble: There are currently 0 bitcoins offered at or under 16.0 USD, worth 0.0 USD in total.
gribble: There are currently 6592.124 bitcoins demanded at or over 16.0 USD, worth 106482.868699 USD in total.
dub: I think bitcoiners are actually goldfish
Namworld: woohoo... I want me some cheap bitcoins!
gribble: There are currently 81945.176 bitcoins demanded at or over 10.0 USD, worth 1077575.27046 USD in total.
mod6: you better believe that if it hits $10, i'll be running to the store to get MPs
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.464 = 4.64 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.464 = 1.392 BTC [-]
mod6: 0 degrees or not! lol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 9 @ 0.463 = 4.167 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29571 @ 0.0006308 = 18.6534 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9321 @ 0.00063116 = 5.883 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.0006332 = 3.166 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5758 @ 0.00063393 = 3.6502 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17627 @ 0.00063554 = 11.2027 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.0006363 = 3.1815 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13400 @ 0.00063696 = 8.5353 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32468 @ 0.00063718 = 20.688 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52038 @ 0.00064091 = 33.3517 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6050 @ 0.00064327 = 3.8918 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3850 @ 0.00064454 = 2.4815 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4900 @ 0.00067924 = 3.3283 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7800 @ 0.00067925 = 5.2982 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.0006796 = 2.1747 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.00067997 = 13.5994 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9000 @ 0.00067998 = 6.1198 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40500 @ 0.00067999 = 27.5396 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 334517 @ 0.00068 = 227.4716 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.463 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 8 @ 0.4625 = 3.7 BTC [-]
mod6: maybe i'll touch 200DMA and go back...
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P330T] 1000 @ 1.00308118 = 1003.0812 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P340T] 1000 @ 1.07044727 = 1070.4473 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P350T] 1000 @ 1.13781337 = 1137.8134 BTC [+]
Namworld: The person who sold tons of put is going to hurt...
Bugpowder: he better cover before the bot turns off
Bugpowder: Namworld thats what you are watching
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C170T] 1000 @ 0.06147599 = 61.476 BTC [-]
mod6: options expiration -- end of month, bot closes
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C180T] 1000 @ 0.02486174 = 24.8617 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: what broke it was what, a 10k sale ? pff, that's what, nothing.
dub: someone trying to get some more cheap
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P180T] 1 @ 0.02000254 BTC [+]
Namworld: After all those puts/calls were sold/bought
Namworld: You have the money for that...
smickles: well, the theory of my bot seems to be perfect, it bought in at 13.9ish, tried to sell at 19.19
mod6: someone is back in for 3k @ 15.75
mod6: or maybe 5000, 3000 remain on the bidside
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 15.95000, Best ask: 16.20000, Bid-ask spread: 0.25000, Last trade: 16.20000, 24 hour volume: 146598.15832893, 24 hour low: 15.75210, 24 hour high: 19.18999, 24 hour vwap: 17.97952
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C180T] 1000 @ 0.02233941 = 22.3394 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P330T] 1000 @ 1.01666667 = 1016.6667 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P340T] 1000 @ 1.08444445 = 1084.4445 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P350T] 1000 @ 1.15222223 = 1152.2222 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.4625 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.44 = 1.32 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C170T] 1 @ 0.05729813 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C170T] 999 @ 0.05572223 = 55.6665 BTC [-]
Namworld: MtGox is having a hard time keeping up
smickles: it's taking a few minutes to get order results
deadweasel: did you write your own bot or is there an open source one?
dub: heh goxline just randomly loaded for the first time today
Namworld: Wall at 16 forming (on the ask side!)
dub: with the greenline covering the 1 in 15, did a double take
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P330T] 1000 @ 1.02164811 = 1021.6481 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P340T] 1000 @ 1.08957684 = 1089.5768 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P350T] 1000 @ 1.15750557 = 1157.5056 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C180T] 1000 @ 0.02132762 = 21.3276 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C170T] 1000 @ 0.05361248 = 53.6125 BTC [-]
deadweasel: is there such thing as an open source bot for trading?
smickles: deadweasel: ya, there are a couple of old ones, iirc
smickles: also, one of the first bots i made may as well be open source
smickles: the guy who was selling it for me ended up cheating me out of btc from sales, and also started giving to code away
smickles: ask that inba guy from bfl or rg, they should have a copy of it
dub: how much for your new one? :)
smickles: this bot is probably not ready for prime time, and i'm working on something else right now
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5907 @ 0.00066289 = 3.9157 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19289 @ 0.00065263 = 12.5886 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2604 @ 0.00064913 = 1.6903 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C180T] 7 @ 0.00950861 = 0.0666 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P330T] 1000 @ 1.0279062 = 1027.9062 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P340T] 1000 @ 1.09602457 = 1096.0246 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P350T] 1000 @ 1.16414294 = 1164.1429 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C170T] 1000 @ 0.05096204 = 50.962 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C180T] 993 @ 0.02012899 = 19.9881 BTC [+]
jurov: didn't mircea ran out of funds yest? or someone else is selling?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.00067999 = 13.5998 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9222340 @ 0.00068 = 6271.1912 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19300 @ 0.00068773 = 13.2732 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8550 @ 0.00068976 = 5.8974 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 729810 @ 0.0007 = 510.867 BTC [+]
jurov: we know nao where mircea got funds
Namworld: looks like it's always safest betting on the house
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00059613 / 0.00067017 / 0.0007 (12528519 shares, 8,396.32 BTC), 7D: 0.00059445 / 0.00065297 / 0.0007 (23984391 shares, 15,661.25 BTC), 30D: 0.00059445 / 0.00065046 / 0.0007 (51436785 shares, 33,457.73 BTC)
Namworld: You should donate it my way, of course. The hookers & blows foundation.
smickles: lol, send it to the NoAgenda guys
jurov: bah. just play sdice
Namworld: according to reviews by myself.
smickles: yeah, all on the least likely winner
mircea_popescu: "mpex owner sells 7k btc worth of shares, puts it all on < 1000, wins, drives s.dice out of business. s,mpoe shares collapse. win."
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P330T] 1000 @ 1.03041923 = 1030.4192 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P340T] 1000 @ 1.09861376 = 1098.6138 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P350T] 1000 @ 1.16680828 = 1166.8083 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C180T] 1000 @ 0.01961092 = 19.6109 BTC [-]
jurov: loool maybe the guys who bought MPBPT at 120% base value knew something
mircea_popescu: has this been liek the most exciting day of the year ?
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C170T] 1000 @ 0.04989771 = 49.8977 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 16.55000, Best ask: 16.75000, Bid-ask spread: 0.20000, Last trade: 16.75000, 24 hour volume: 155025.93930585, 24 hour low: 15.61010, 24 hour high: 19.18999, 24 hour vwap: 17.86152
Namworld: So far, most exciting day of the year
kakobrekla: 22:06.42 ( thestringpuller ) finally stable <- 12 minutes after major drop lol
Namworld: nah... it just stopped for a few minutes...
dub: this is actually -otc
dub: any movement at all is either a rally or crash
Namworld: the rally or crash of some guy with a small wallet
smickles: lol, what would -otc look like if your total btc worth was in place of your nick
dub: well yeah, when mom gives you $5/week pocket money
dub: kakobrekla: I get $10 but I have to mow the lawn and take out hte trash
dub: and tidy my room every day
smickles: btw, did anyone else notice the guy wondering what was up with his SD bet,
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P330T] 1000 @ 1.03293789 = 1032.9379 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P340T] 1000 @ 1.10120873 = 1101.2087 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P350T] 1000 @ 1.16947958 = 1169.4796 BTC [+]
jurov_3720: ugly... and would need to be changed often
smickles: and complained that it didn't get confirmed quickly
smickles: peeps said he should've used a .0005 fee
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C180T] 1000 @ 0.01910662 = 19.1066 BTC [-]
smickles: he said that he couldn't afford it
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C170T] 1000 @ 0.04883101 = 48.831 BTC [-]
smickles: Who can afford the electricity of running a computer, or the cost of traveling to the library to a public computer and can't afford 0.0005 btc?
dub: dude sold his baseball cards to buy that bet
smickles: last that I read, it hadn't processed on SD yet
smickles: this must not be an english speaking company
dub: pic of slipper on head
dub: mircea_popescu: make it 0.000001 and you've got a deal
dub: its all I can afoord after buying in at 19.19
kakobrekla: if so, someone must have leaked the pics on the torrents
dub: you know fart porn exists right?
mircea_popescu: dub actyally a few years ago some dood was sent to jale
mircea_popescu: because he and a coworker (female) played around with compressed air
smickles: Why do people think that glbse has given out all shareholder info?
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P330T] 1000 @ 1.03546219 = 1035.4622 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P340T] 1000 @ 1.10380953 = 1103.8095 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P350T] 1000 @ 1.17215687 = 1172.1569 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5500 @ 0.0006537 = 3.5954 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C180T] 1000 @ 0.01860172 = 18.6017 BTC [-]
dub: [16:19] <smickles> Why do people think that glbse has given out all shareholder info?
dub: [16:19] <mircea_popescu> exploded colon
dub: best out of context answer of the day
jcpham: compressed air on the skin is bad ju-ju
JWU_42: what a ride on gox today
jcpham: my sho class teacher taught me that in 5th grade
JWU_42: kept seeing my sells go off every .1 BTC up to 19.29 IIRC
Namworld: smickles: It has for at least all the assets I've known...
JWU_42: then see down to 15.75
jcpham: my shop teacher was like
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4850 @ 0.00065336 = 3.1688 BTC [-]
jcpham: no air hoses in vaginas
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1800 @ 0.00605813 = 10.9046 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 105 @ 0.00616081 = 0.6469 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00620779 = 6.2078 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1200 @ 0.0062078 = 7.4494 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1600 @ 0.00629237 = 10.0678 BTC [+]
dub: you went to a coed school, how middle class
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1468 @ 0.00630989 = 9.2629 BTC [+]
smickles: Namworld: it hasn't for mpoe.etf
smickles: and I have about 40 btc to distribute to people
smickles: (as much as I would love to just keep it)
dub: jcpham: I thought so
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 956 @ 0.00630989 = 6.0323 BTC [+]
mod6: its where they go to learn with all the other banker's kids
dub: we had the catholic girls school up the road
dub: and as we know, catholic school girls rule
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P330T] 1000 @ 1.03799215 = 1037.9922 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P340T] 1000 @ 1.10641616 = 1106.4162 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P350T] 1000 @ 1.17484016 = 1174.8402 BTC [+]
mod6: except they don't like abortions :<
smickles: *their parents don't like abortions
jurov: ;;calc 75000*0.002
jurov: lol, i did not meant it that way, just curious
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00064913 = 2.5965 BTC [-]
Namworld: But yeah, it's like a stock exchange
Namworld: Low fees for people with a direct trading spot
mircea_popescu: one of these days it's gonna be securities volume > currency exchange volume
jurov: do you have some projections? in 2012 volume was steady 50-100K/mo
jurov: and i doubt such whale ops as today will be a rule
kakobrekla: in RL, forex is much larger than stocks
mircea_popescu: and if you shed the notional and compare actual trades...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6946 @ 0.00064913 = 4.5089 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7004 @ 0.00064736 = 4.5341 BTC [-]
jurov: i guess forex profitablility for more and more traders will sink below inflation soon.. and then mayhem ensues
mircea_popescu: moreover the thing with forex is, you trade on huge leverage
mircea_popescu: what's the fair measure of the trade volume ? 100 bux ? or 10k ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4096 @ 0.00064736 = 2.6516 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17054 @ 0.00064672 = 11.0292 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: same goes for mpex, you do offer margin and stuff
kakobrekla: well, you can trade shares with margin in rl?
mircea_popescu: ya but not quite the same. 2-4x on stocks, 10-50x on forex
mircea_popescu: then again... derivatives, do you count them as forex or as securities ?
jurov: hm, CFDs require only 3%-15% margin
topace: mircea_popescu: process my deposit first! :p
mircea_popescu: i gotta, cause if not those ppl are capable of buying his pt to like .8
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00085848 / 0.00390419 / 0.00699 (583708 shares, 2,278.91 BTC), 7D: 0.00085848 / 0.00447834 / 0.00699 (967990 shares, 4,334.99 BTC), 30D: 0.00085848 / 0.00416496 / 0.00699 (10216311 shares, 42,550.59 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00085848 / 0.00381004 / 0.00699 (551781 shares, 2,102.31 BTC), 7D: 0.00085848 / 0.00447518 / 0.00699 (962889 shares, 4,309.11 BTC), 30D: 0.00085848 / 0.00416676 / 0.00699 (10220055 shares, 42,584.56 BTC)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 3 @ 0.98911 = 2.9673 BTC [-]
Namworld: Should I fund the development a software for MPEx with a GUI?
Namworld: seems like command line is sometimes too slow when you want to trade fast
kakobrekla: cause its super awesome, fast, cross platorm, etc etc ?
Namworld: but what about using the user's gpg certificate...
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 399 @ 0.0063 = 2.5137 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5400 @ 0.00063261 = 3.4161 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2100 @ 0.0006331 = 1.3295 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: Namworld :" the blockchain people have some method of using a javascript that allows the user to handle his addresses
mircea_popescu: the same principle could be used with certs too im sure.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11330 @ 0.0006331 = 7.173 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1370 @ 0.00063769 = 0.8736 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6147 @ 0.00063046 = 3.8754 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15461 @ 0.00062765 = 9.7041 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26366 @ 0.00062555 = 16.4933 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8418 @ 0.000624 = 5.2528 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4200 @ 0.00062167 = 2.611 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11550 @ 0.00062105 = 7.1731 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2858 @ 0.00062071 = 1.774 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00059613 / 0.00067264 / 0.0007 (12311765 shares, 8,281.44 BTC), 7D: 0.00059445 / 0.00065233 / 0.0007 (23989321 shares, 15,649.06 BTC), 30D: 0.00059445 / 0.00065039 / 0.0007 (51770531 shares, 33,671.44 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00085848 / 0.00381004 / 0.00699 (551781 shares, 2,102.31 BTC), 7D: 0.00085848 / 0.00447518 / 0.00699 (962889 shares, 4,309.11 BTC), 30D: 0.00085848 / 0.00416676 / 0.00699 (10220055 shares, 42,584.56 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00063769 = 3.1885 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: if experience is any guide adding a confirm screen will be valuable.
mircea_popescu: i don't understand all the other kids managing their in house programming staff to do anything and everything.
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C160T] 3 @ 0.08860882 = 0.2658 BTC [-]
Namworld: I'd outsource the development...
mircea_popescu: contrary to what people think, management is the largest cost of doing business
Namworld: But in javascript... just get a field for user private certificate and some input field for the string.
Namworld: sign, encrypt, post, read reply, decrypt, display
Namworld: I'll do the styling myself and market it.
sgnb: try mega's stuff ;-)
Namworld: if it's javascript, anyone can review the code themselve/take it to put it on their own server/etc
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C160T] 1 @ 0.0726088 BTC [-]
Namworld: and verify it only posts to mpex.co
sgnb: Namworld: javascript doesn't imply reviewability
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6450 @ 0.00063192 = 4.0759 BTC [-]
sgnb: I heard that about Germans recently
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C160N] 3 @ 0.28263961 = 0.8479 BTC [+]
sgnb: actually, I think programming big stuff in Javascript is stupid
sgnb: (compared to programming in a saner language and compile it to Javascript)
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P160N] 3 @ 0.18767611 = 0.563 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: i think by all definitions this would be small stuff tho
sgnb: is there an openpgp library out there?
Namworld: and possibly just use dropdowns and aggregate each value in the string
sgnb: (I mean, JS library)
Namworld: adding the " | | | " around each input
Namworld: It's really just a quick use form for MPEx
sgnb: then, ok, it should be really simple
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C170N] 3 @ 0.24953651 = 0.7486 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P170N] 3 @ 0.22492555 = 0.6748 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14308 @ 0.00062071 = 8.8811 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2100 @ 0.00062848 = 1.3198 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C160T] 1 @ 0.07244845 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C160T] 1 @ 0.07260014 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2500 @ 0.00062071 = 1.5518 BTC [-]
mod6: 111111 222222 333333 444444 555555 666666
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5181 @ 0.0006209 = 3.2169 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10519 @ 0.00062071 = 6.5292 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 700 @ 0.00616081 = 4.3126 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 550 @ 0.00621929 = 3.4206 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 621 @ 0.00627457 = 3.8965 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1539 @ 0.00632181 = 9.7293 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 5000 @ 0.0063388 = 31.694 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 5634 @ 0.00635807 = 35.8214 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1810 @ 0.00635808 = 11.5081 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5750 @ 0.00062323 = 3.5836 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4125 @ 0.00062071 = 2.5604 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 900 @ 0.000616 = 0.5544 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5075 @ 0.000615 = 3.1211 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7900 @ 0.000615 = 4.8585 BTC [-]
jurov: ;;later tell MadSweeney had any problems with exercise? looks like you didn't do anything
jurov: everyone - if you buy options with coinbr, exercise link will show right on the dashboard.,
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1900 @ 0.000615 = 1.1685 BTC [-]
jurov: uh oh, javascript pgp? what did the world come to?
jurov: use generically named textarea like "password" for gpg private key.
jurov: watch the browser to autosuggest it everywhere
Namworld: well you just don't have use a generic named textarea...
jurov: looks like i have to add auth to mpexagent and convert it to self-containing exe to prevent such insanity
jurov: then you'll just jsonrpc call it and gpg key will stay safer
mircea_popescu: <jurov> watch the browser to autosuggest it everywhere lolz
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 680 @ 0.00063769 = 0.4336 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6970 @ 0.0006403 = 4.4629 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 3 @ 0.34 = 1.02 BTC [+]
jurov: Namworld, that was just the first idea what could go wrong. Of many.
mircea_popescu: Catalan parliament approves declaration of state sovereignty
Namworld: You can bet such large amounts?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9350 @ 0.00062707 = 5.8631 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 450 @ 0.00063282 = 0.2848 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 10101 @ 0.00635808 = 64.223 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 508 @ 0.00643207 = 3.2675 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 125 @ 0.0064867 = 0.8108 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3000 @ 0.0065 = 19.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2044 @ 0.00654688 = 13.3818 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1119 @ 0.00699 = 7.8218 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 110 @ 0.00699 = 0.7689 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 125 @ 0.000615 = 0.0769 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7725 @ 0.000614 = 4.7432 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2275 @ 0.000614 = 1.3969 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1575 @ 0.00061382 = 0.9668 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2987 @ 0.00062661 = 1.8717 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 213 @ 0.00062661 = 0.1335 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4163 @ 0.0006348 = 2.6427 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10600 @ 0.00062023 = 6.5744 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2100 @ 0.00061382 = 1.289 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1000 @ 0.0064 = 6.4 BTC [+]
jurov: Namworld, since mpexagent is done with twisted engine, it should be trivial to add some file serving
jurov: so user basically starts it, puts gpg passphrase into popup window
jurov: the passphrase will be entered outside browser and only once
jurov: can't be simpler that that, while keeping reasonable safety
jurov: i'll look into it next week
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13000 @ 0.00062345 = 8.1049 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1450 @ 0.00061743 = 0.8953 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: fucking bane of urls, i have to type the whoel thing all the time
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8150 @ 0.00061743 = 5.0321 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2500 @ 0.00062575 = 1.5644 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.00063118 = 3.5346 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 600 @ 0.00636679 = 3.8201 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 28 @ 0.34 = 9.52 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4100 @ 0.00063118 = 2.5878 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5837 @ 0.0006348 = 3.7053 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 263 @ 0.0006403 = 0.1684 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 566 @ 0.00636679 = 3.6036 BTC [-]
gribble: There are currently 2007.564 bitcoins demanded at or over 16.5 USD, worth 33464.9531412 USD in total.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6514 @ 0.00062512 = 4.072 BTC [-]
gribble: smickles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 12 hours, 13 minutes, and 29 seconds ago: <smickles> i sold at 19, gox turned it into 16
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 17.19700, Best ask: 17.20000, Bid-ask spread: 0.00300, Last trade: 17.20000, 24 hour volume: 166494.43264560, 24 hour low: 15.38613, 24 hour high: 19.18999, 24 hour vwap: 17.09456
gribble: Error: "bc,24hrpc" is not a valid command.
gribble: Error: "bc" is not a valid command.
gribble: Error: "bc,24hrcp" is not a valid command.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3000 @ 0.00062553 = 1.8766 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18868 @ 0.00062 = 11.6982 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7150 @ 0.00061906 = 4.4263 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2529 @ 0.00061898 = 1.5654 BTC [-]
gribble: bugpowder was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 11 hours, 41 minutes, and 43 seconds ago: <Bugpowder> I predict 24hprc at opex will be $16.20
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 993 @ 0.00654141 = 6.4956 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.00062705 = 6.9603 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4900 @ 0.00062963 = 3.0852 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 300 @ 0.0010499 = 0.315 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1987 @ 0.00654141 = 12.9978 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 972 @ 0.00061898 = 0.6016 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5728 @ 0.00061753 = 3.5372 BTC [-]
gribble: smickles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 13 hours, 14 minutes, and 19 seconds ago: <smickles> i sold at 19, gox turned it into 16
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 838 @ 0.00061754 = 0.5175 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2062 @ 0.00061753 = 1.2733 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: bah all these people offering me stock tips, warning about my failed ach transfers, wanting me in their linkedin networks and whatnot.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.57 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: they can add me on linked, i have you quoted there.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5850 @ 0.0006276 = 3.6715 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1750 @ 0.00062963 = 1.1019 BTC [+]
jcpham: i deleted my linked in account
jcpham: well it wouldn't be aremote file inclusion with a path like that
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2500 @ 0.00061797 = 1.5449 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 450 @ 0.00061753 = 0.2779 BTC [-]
deadweasel: what is with the wackly price range on Bitcoin 24? Buy: $25 Sell: $16.5 I see the sell price being manipulated often too, especially late novermber early december. Sell price dropping sometimes to $1, $3, $7, $10
Diablo-D3: DeaDTerra: you cant yet until the exchange is up
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 0.99999999 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4960 @ 0.00061753 = 3.0629 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1040 @ 0.0006175 = 0.6422 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4050 @ 0.00062963 = 2.55 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 14 @ 0.56899999 = 7.966 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 17.30000, Best ask: 17.39900, Bid-ask spread: 0.09900, Last trade: 17.39900, 24 hour volume: 165052.52438769, 24 hour low: 15.38613, 24 hour high: 19.18999, 24 hour vwap: 17.04471
Namworld: just exercised my puts, more profit
Namworld: pretty much almost exactly 100% profit
mircea_popescu: calling the top/bottom like that is a sure path to riches.
mircea_popescu: "Hi Monster Tent, thank you for allowing me to answer this question today."
Namworld: Of course... but with high volatility, the average price is often much higher or lower than the average used
Namworld: So you know which side the average is more likely to go. You start winning if the price stays the same
Namworld: That's certainly an improvement of odds. But the same high volatility is what could get you =/
Namworld: i did not really call the top/bottom either.
Namworld: I exercise after the fact. The average moves slowly.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 30 @ 0.00654141 = 0.1962 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C160N] 3 @ 0.26379201 = 0.7914 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 17.52251, Best ask: 17.59999, Bid-ask spread: 0.07748, Last trade: 17.61000, 24 hour volume: 161095.15098185, 24 hour low: 15.38613, 24 hour high: 19.18999, 24 hour vwap: 16.97983
Namworld: I usually can't help but stick around when I have something going on with money on the line.
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00061382 / 0.0006764 / 0.0007 (11630051 shares, 7,866.59 BTC), 7D: 0.00059445 / 0.0006509 / 0.0007 (23088165 shares, 15,028.31 BTC), 30D: 0.00059445 / 0.00065031 / 0.0007 (51767859 shares, 33,665.41 BTC)
thestringpuller: XD congrats mircea ipo phase 2 is now over, what are you going to do now? Disney World?
thestringpuller: my question for you is how do you fight off regulation if it comes?
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00598118 / 0.00635118 / 0.00699 (54282 shares, 344.76 BTC), 7D: 0.00085848 / 0.00452853 / 0.00699 (982193 shares, 4,447.89 BTC), 30D: 0.00085848 / 0.00417522 / 0.00699 (10255161 shares, 42,817.64 BTC)
deadweasel: whatever country does, there's 250 more that haven't yet.
deadweasel: as they do, it will go underground, no?
deadweasel: i've never bet @ bitbet. do you just send money to an address and it returns it or not?
dasher: When you bet you can pick the return type - a specified addy or the sending addy
mircea_popescu: dasher : 9093b44f3300f0a89938ccbfcbe1139673c572c4d9011c124a83ad4137a59233
dasher: Search that page for the payout amount of 0.10673077 Mircea
dasher: ah - it rolled into the same payment :duh:
mircea_popescu: yes if you make multiple bets on the same side for the same bet
mircea_popescu: this is better because it lowers your wallet fragmentation
deadweasel: my worked blocked blockchain.info since yesterday
deadweasel: URL:
http://blockchain.info/ URL Categories: Reputation: Medium Risk Media Type: Client IP: 10.9.7.4 Rule Name: IDEXX-Default Catch All Proxy Name: wme-swg1
deadweasel: with a link to the employe computer handbook
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 50 @ 0.34 = 17 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: deadweasel: no, doesnt have the hair to the side for Zorg
kakobrekla: is that the same suit as in that camel/egypt pic
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1300 @ 0.00062963 = 0.8185 BTC [+]
deadweasel: great translation google: Faced with some people who think and man becomes a true gibbon, throwing feces around the world.
jcpham: what the crap is a gibbon throwing feces
mircea_popescu: quote the original sentence an' i'll trnalsate for ya.
jcpham: nah i read it and understood the context
jcpham: you have haters and drama in your blog-ville
mircea_popescu: romania pretty much consists of a buncha kids trying to make ends meet on +-5k a year
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 100 @ 0.0086 = 0.86 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 5 @ 0.09 = 0.45 BTC
jcpham: must be all those fancy gold chains you wear
thestringpuller: Ever seen the South Park episode about the romanian quintuplets?
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 4 @ 0.0163 = 0.0652 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 14 @ 0.0163 = 0.2282 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: people don't talk by having the upper half of their head move
jcpham: now that sounds like fun
Diablo-D3: I thought that was a goal in portal 1
jcpham: man if i had a portal gun the things i could do
kakobrekla: you could do things like you do in Postal
deadweasel: it just so happens I'm selling a portal gun for 500btc, you pay now!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8841 @ 0.00063172 = 5.585 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1493 @ 0.0006329 = 0.9449 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: " They claim to have snuffed out as many as 50 cameras since the game began a few weeks ago."
kakobrekla: we had a simmilar occurance a few weeks ago
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller in the great european tradition, i am european only when it's convenient to be so.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 17.57934, Best ask: 17.67700, Bid-ask spread: 0.09766, Last trade: 17.56491, 24 hour volume: 150106.82667480, 24 hour low: 15.38613, 24 hour high: 18.89998, 24 hour vwap: 16.82826
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C170N] 3 @ 0.23108932 = 0.6933 BTC [-]
assbot: The round stones beneath the earth... have spoken through the fire.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10902 @ 0.00063144 = 6.884 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: i guess im trying to raise awarance :)
kakobrekla: the only movie i repeat to watch really
jcpham: i do not believe i have watched that
mircea_popescu: "We are sorry to shareholders that we are now >2-month delayed against the original plan. (Late Dec. against Late Oct. to get the chips, plus 4-5 weeks against 2-3 weeks to fully deploy). The status are resulted in by a mix of our optimistic projection, our conservative action and our un-developed relation in the electric manufacturing field."
kakobrekla: neil young made the soundtrack recoding live while watching the movie
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 0.9892 BTC [-]
jcpham: thnaks kakobrekla this sounds interesting
jcpham: bASIC was dead 2 weekends ago when Graet email ozcoin miners
jcpham: the forum is slow to respond
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1000 @ 0.01 = 10 BTC [+]
Namworld: Well if anyone is interested, there's 3 increased coupons on BTC-BOND for the next 3 days
Namworld: Well looks like someone noticed already
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 3 @ 0.98911 = 2.9673 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.569 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 9 @ 0.57 = 5.13 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 20 @ 0.57 = 11.4 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.575 = 2.3 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5707 @ 0.0006329 = 3.612 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6550 @ 0.00063318 = 4.1473 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2043 @ 0.00063364 = 1.2945 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 5 @ 0.0067 = 0.0335 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 5 @ 0.0097 = 0.0485 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 10 @ 0.0097 = 0.097 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 11 @ 0.0097 = 0.1067 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 16.79719, Best ask: 16.80000, Bid-ask spread: 0.00281, Last trade: 16.80000, 24 hour volume: 142013.99203525, 24 hour low: 15.38613, 24 hour high: 18.25000, 24 hour vwap: 16.69648
assbot: [HAVELOCK:SDICE] 1D: 0.44000000 / 0.53724797 / 0.57500000 (123 shares, 66.08149986 BTC), 7D: 0.44000000 / 0.54953918 / 0.62000000 (1013 shares, 556.68318952 BTC), 30D: 0.37000000 / 0.47735229 / 0.62000000 (4741 shares, 2263.12718940 BTC)
topace: not much, i think i had 10000 bid listed at 0.52 or something
topace: wish i had some lower bids in :p
topace: havelock has 345,000 shares -- getting up there
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3570 @ 0.00063144 = 2.2542 BTC [-]
Namworld: I wish I had known and taken the 500k at 0.0008
Namworld: I was making almost as much on GLBSE stocks volatility...
Namworld: But close to pirate at 7% per week
Namworld: I was close to doubling my amount every 3 months
Namworld: tho by the end the volume on GLBSE was limiting me.
mircea_popescu: yes, the thing with btc securities is, trading fees very small, volatility kinda high
mircea_popescu: if you know what you're doing it should make decent returns
mircea_popescu: course it will crowd in time, as people start grasping it
Namworld: Well anyway, I'm taking off. Back in about 30 minutes
jurov: Namworld, you should prolly open investment fund in bitfunder or so
Namworld: I had a 200% loan value in assets guarantee
Namworld: I was forced to remove it and reduce interest for anyone transfering to BTCT.co
Namworld: Where were my 200% in GLBSE assets? All gone. I'm slowly getting money back
Namworld: Plus I felt I was guaranteeing too much interest
Namworld: jurov: no fund when I can borrow at 10.95% per year =/
jurov: lol, i can borrow at 0% for 3 weeks :P
Namworld: I lost lots of money selling my puts
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 17.01651, Best ask: 17.05000, Bid-ask spread: 0.03349, Last trade: 16.85900, 24 hour volume: 141238.37356347, 24 hour low: 15.38613, 24 hour high: 18.25000, 24 hour vwap: 16.68190
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 6 @ 0.575 = 3.45 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 15 @ 0.595 = 8.925 BTC [+]
pigeons: i am making a killing? either you sold and made one, or you have paper
vector_: anyone invested with bitfunder?
pigeons: Mk Cap: 2,537 i'm thinking that's shares?
assbot: [MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0.0010499 / 0.00111197 / 0.001139 (989 shares, 1.10 BTC), 7D: 0.00100006 / 0.00102592 / 0.00129998 (23060 shares, 23.66 BTC), 30D: 0.000337 / 0.00078442 / 0.0035 (2269672 shares, 1,780.38 BTC)
mircea_popescu: someone should point out to deprived it;s spelled underlying
mircea_popescu: relevance to this pass-through will be the number of S-Dice shares listed as
mircea_popescu: held by LTC-ATF (which will always be at least as large as the number of
jcpham: sanity requires that i down-vote all passthroughs
jurov: maybe you remember i was reporting here when he started it and worried about covering coinbr fees
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100 @ 0.00063145 = 0.0631 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6450 @ 0.00063144 = 4.0728 BTC [-]
jurov: i was curious recetly, computed total mkt cap of litecoin in btc
Namworld: I saw when I woke up price go over the average and exercised. I totally forgot the 19 USD/BTC trades were about to go out of the 24h period.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 17.35114, Best ask: 17.35243, Bid-ask spread: 0.00129, Last trade: 17.35113, 24 hour volume: 132205.38784117, 24 hour low: 15.38613, 24 hour high: 17.79700, 24 hour vwap: 16.60856
jurov: ;;calc 0.00369*284627*50
Namworld: I exercised 3 hours ago at 17.01 for 212.
Namworld: If I had waited for the high trade to expires and exercised at the low 16.60, would have gotten 262.55421096 BTC instead
Namworld: Well yes, but that would have required to outmatch the large trades at ~18.5-19 USD that were about to expire
Namworld: I haven't slept much... making stupid mistakes.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 494 @ 0.00063364 = 0.313 BTC [+]
Namworld: Yet I have to watch my trades. A bit annoying.
Namworld: At least I'm more than decently in the green
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.0006346 = 4.6326 BTC [+]
Namworld: I forgot to wait for the 19 USD trades to expire... but now it's done.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8251 @ 0.00063605 = 5.248 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21000 @ 0.00063606 = 13.3573 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9097 @ 0.00063759 = 5.8002 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5017 @ 0.0006403 = 3.2124 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16150 @ 0.00064112 = 10.3541 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8280 @ 0.00064174 = 5.3136 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.00064267 = 4.4987 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7200 @ 0.0006432 = 4.631 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8650 @ 0.00064447 = 5.5747 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11879 @ 0.00064523 = 7.6647 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5980 @ 0.00064531 = 3.859 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4150 @ 0.00064663 = 2.6835 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6250 @ 0.0006482 = 4.0513 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32693 @ 0.00064857 = 21.2037 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7800 @ 0.00065519 = 5.1105 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15500 @ 0.00065552 = 10.1606 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43993 @ 0.00065576 = 28.8488 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41100 @ 0.00065764 = 27.029 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21300 @ 0.0006595 = 14.0474 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22250 @ 0.0006725 = 14.9631 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18525 @ 0.00067525 = 12.509 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14400 @ 0.00068233 = 9.8256 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39400 @ 0.00068745 = 27.0855 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.00649884 = 3.2494 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2990 @ 0.00654141 = 19.5588 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1610 @ 0.00654142 = 10.5317 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 300 @ 0.00656628 = 1.9699 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 300 @ 0.0010499 = 0.315 BTC [-]
jurov: ^^ bane of everyone who listed their btc addy in btctalk profile
Bugpowder_: missed the bottom by 0.1 BTC :( lost 22BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00064895 = 1.5218 BTC [-]
Namworld: Pretty much the same as me. Could have made 150%
jurov: Right now it scrapes Bitcoin-OTC and BitcoinTalk forum signatures to initially seed the labels... oh beware :D
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16300 @ 0.00069998 = 11.4097 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 300 @ 0.00636682 = 1.91 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 242 @ 0.00636679 = 1.5408 BTC [-]
Bugpowder_: I will update it once the opex happens
Bugpowder_: If I put open orders on the N contracts do they stay open when the N rolls to T?
RonnieS: Hi all. Not quite sure I understand the weight on bitbet. Can someone msg me the calc to find how much I COULD win, based on weight. Thx :)
Namworld: kakobrekla, some question for you I guess
Namworld: he vectored into an exponanial function shape and was propulsed into space
Namworld: He's going faster and faster with time passing by and should exceed the speed of light soon.
Bugpowder_: people moving out of bonds into the market?
mircea_popescu: RonnieS it just works like it generally does with betting.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7063 @ 0.00068512 = 4.839 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: out of a pool of 3 the 1 with full weight wins 2x more than the 1 witgh half weight
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 638 @ 0.00635543 = 4.0548 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 20 @ 0.00635543 = 0.1271 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6651 @ 0.00068326 = 4.5444 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C170N] 3 @ 0.14496282 = 0.4349 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C160N] 6 @ 0.16945017 = 1.0167 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P160N] 3 @ 0.13518966 = 0.4056 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P170N] 3 @ 0.16277102 = 0.4883 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 25 @ 0.01 = 0.25 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 5 @ 0.13 = 0.65 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 100 @ 0.0202 = 2.02 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 100 @ 0.0201 = 2.01 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 40 @ 0.02 = 0.8 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 100 @ 0.0087 = 0.87 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2655 @ 0.00068326 = 1.8141 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8195 @ 0.00067873 = 5.5622 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 100 @ 0.0088 = 0.88 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 130 @ 0.00067873 = 0.0882 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 524 @ 0.00067125 = 0.3517 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6303 @ 0.00066887 = 4.2159 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: All of the S.DICE whales have a similar visualizer chart
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.595 = 5.95 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: Is the drake dog;leominer address a mixing service?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.599 = 5.99 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 7 @ 0.62 = 4.34 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 100 @ 0.0089 = 0.89 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 29 @ 0.01 = 0.29 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 150 @ 0.009 = 1.35 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 17.33512, Best ask: 17.47562, Bid-ask spread: 0.14050, Last trade: 17.33310, 24 hour volume: 86322.83896858, 24 hour low: 15.38613, 24 hour high: 17.79700, 24 hour vwap: 16.67646
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 17.35330, Best ask: 17.49695, Bid-ask spread: 0.14365, Last trade: 17.34522, 24 hour volume: 85549.80223109, 24 hour low: 15.38613, 24 hour high: 17.79700, 24 hour vwap: 16.67057
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1644 @ 0.00068512 = 1.1263 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 675 @ 0.00634 = 4.2795 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 75 @ 0.00631463 = 0.4736 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 22 @ 0.01 = 0.22 BTC [+]
jcpham: sounds like agood idea except i doubt he'd have you as a guest EskimoBob_afk
jcpham: it isn't wise to judge a culture you know anything about
jcpham: i know nothing of romanian culture
jcpham: although iirc mp is more international than romanian
jcpham: i actually didn't imply that you knew nothing
jcpham: make sure to get a full body shot of mpoe-pr if you go
jcpham: i think mpoe-pr might be transexual
jcpham: make sure to get an angle under the chin
jcpham: i figured a full body shot would expose the bulge
kakobrekla: jesus fuck all that sexy ladies jack off to to sleep is you?!?
jcpham: but you have so many more options with a transexual
mircea_popescu: jcpham from what i understand, the problem chiefly is that so do they.
kakobrekla: i dont see anything 'lunatic' on that pic
jcpham: EskimoBob_afk i sound like a lunatic irl
jcpham: i try to on the internet too
jcpham: sometimes it doesn't translate well...
kakobrekla: EskimoBob_afk, not really, i think 'love' is a bag of horse shit but thats beside the point.
kakobrekla: yes i have over 9000 tonnes and only vagina i ever saw was my mothers when i was born
jcpham: it's rosy red-pal and her 5 sisters. sheesh
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4036 @ 0.0006875 = 2.7748 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 10 @ 0.01 = 0.1 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [MININGCO.ETF] 6 @ 0.54 = 3.24 BTC [+]
JWU42: jcpham: can you set a ban on JWU42`*!*@* in bitcoin-otc
JWU42: third or fourth time soeone has been playing games with my handle and trying to scam folks
jcpham: it's done. not sure if one of the other ops will remove it or not
jcpham: i'm sort of just flying blind
jcpham: yeah EskimoBob_not_so come over to #bitcoin-otc so i can kick you
jcpham: it won't hurt i promise
JWU42: or better yet - why do you think I haven't
JWU42: easier to ban that nick
jcpham: it's someone squatting
JWU42: EskimoBob_not_so: learn to read you shithead
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6626 @ 0.0006875 = 4.5554 BTC [+]
JWU42: they are using JWU42`
jcpham: but then they'll just use another char
JWU42: jcpham: yep - probably so
mircea_popescu: jee whiz, i wonder how many people pretended to be me in -otc so far
jcpham: EskimoBob_not_so it's a coomon scam in -otc
jcpham: it fools noobs pretty well
kakobrekla: same question goes to you EskimoBob_not_so
jurov: it's not about feelings... he has to wipe stuff after you again
kakobrekla: its what you are good at and i guess for.
jurov: kakobrekla, please lay down on the couch and feel comfortably
jurov: pls point me to the funny line of yours? i don't see any
kakobrekla: so nobody is a non-idiot here according to you?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1450 @ 0.00068533 = 0.9937 BTC [-]
jurov: kako, calm down.... let's wait till he comes to romania and sells himself to slavery for some btc
kakobrekla: i just wanna know why he eskimo like the company of idiots
jurov: oh, maybe you mean these voices of his?
jurov: you did not respond.. why do you enjoy associating with idiots like us?
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 17.33266, Best ask: 17.45000, Bid-ask spread: 0.11734, Last trade: 17.33266, 24 hour volume: 80695.71849538, 24 hour low: 15.38613, 24 hour high: 17.79700, 24 hour vwap: 16.65655
assbot: I haven't understood a single word you've said since I met you, not one single word.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 17.33271, Best ask: 17.44999, Bid-ask spread: 0.11728, Last trade: 17.33266, 24 hour volume: 80695.71849538, 24 hour low: 15.38613, 24 hour high: 17.79700, 24 hour vwap: 16.65655
gribble: There are currently 0.99202 bitcoins demanded at or over 17.33271 USD, worth 17.2610301936 USD in total.
jurov: Nuff said. <assbot> I haven't understood a single word you've said since I met you, not one single word.
gribble: There are currently 2575.4113 bitcoins demanded at or over 17.0 USD, worth 44124.7036667 USD in total.
gribble: There are currently 35308190 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 2549019.46181 USD in total.
gribble: There are currently 0 bitcoins offered at or under 0.0 USD, worth 0.0 USD in total.
gribble: There are currently 93675.646 bitcoins offered at or under 1e+13 USD, worth 2.8030813218e+12 USD in total.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10088 @ 0.0006875 = 6.9355 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2762 @ 0.00068768 = 1.8994 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2383 @ 0.00068768 = 1.6387 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3601 @ 0.000688 = 2.4775 BTC [+]
jurov: so, what is teh mpbor?
MadSweeney: is there an advantage of buying puts or calls now rather than later?
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 10 @ 0.34 = 3.4 BTC [+]
jurov: none other than price
jurov: so, you had these puts on coinbr? sadly, they expired worthless
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 500 @ 0.01 = 5 BTC [+]
jurov: you could have bought next month ones (if they were available)
jurov: i got some C200Ns... were more expensive and need btcusd to go 25 but i a month, it may happen
mircea_popescu: from now on i'm going to publish early sat, corrections etc if need be, make payments next day.
jurov: so , provisional mpbor 9.99% ftw
mircea_popescu: im getting like 4k in interest and like 4k in dividends.
mircea_popescu: its really fascinating : s.mpoe and s.dice were priced equal by the mkt this month
mircea_popescu: (the 6k that doesn't go to shareholders in mpoe's case as cash is in fact going to them as security : unlike s.dice, s.mpoe can't make a loss)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8800 @ 0.00065865 = 5.7961 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.0006552 = 6.421 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 200 @ 0.00065274 = 0.1305 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28617 @ 0.00065865 = 18.8486 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1601 @ 0.00065965 = 1.0561 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22300 @ 0.00066435 = 14.815 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17233 @ 0.00067412 = 11.6171 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7652 @ 0.00067851 = 5.192 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90543 @ 0.00068325 = 61.8635 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2301 @ 0.000688 = 1.5831 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.00068847 = 2.9604 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13453 @ 0.00069125 = 9.2994 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 17.15003, Best ask: 17.20000, Bid-ask spread: 0.04997, Last trade: 17.15003, 24 hour volume: 79377.81011270, 24 hour low: 15.38613, 24 hour high: 17.79700, 24 hour vwap: 16.67744
mircea_popescu: what i don't understand is : were you underwater till dec ?
mircea_popescu: is the rougher line left an indication of less trading activity ?
Bugpowder_: a lot easier making money without HFT and hegies trying to rape you
Bugpowder_: if EskimoBob is my trading competition, I'm feeling good
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6300 @ 0.00067994 = 4.2836 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9522 @ 0.00069125 = 6.5821 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2450 @ 0.00069228 = 1.6961 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8793 @ 0.0006925 = 6.0892 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: i am actually already preparing for that sweet moment when joe wallstreet discovers btc for reals
mircea_popescu: and then discovers that a) mpex already owns it and b) it doesn't really allow hft
mircea_popescu: the qty of butthurt shall put two year's worth of btctalk.org to shame
mircea_popescu: i'll bet you dollars to rials that 99.x% of all the currently active smartasses can't actually trade with their own head.
mircea_popescu: sure, as long as they're using the computer and _EVERYONE ELSE ALSO IS_ it "works".
mircea_popescu: but god it will be a riot when it's back to pen and paper.
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 11 @ 0.0067 = 0.0737 BTC [+]
jurov: twas very nice start for MPBPT :)
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 2 @ 0.01 = 0.02 BTC [+]
jurov: lol actually mpex *can* be traded with computer. they just have to rethink the strategies
mircea_popescu: it will be a truely pitched battle. technical, prolly legal too.
jurov: perhaps you'll have to move to some jurisdiction without that fiduciary responsibility hassle
jurov: build some space station, maybe?
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00061382 / 0.00065565 / 0.0007 (1481411 shares, 971.29 BTC), 7D: 0.00059445 / 0.00065129 / 0.0007 (23480449 shares, 15,292.65 BTC), 30D: 0.00059445 / 0.00065074 / 0.0007 (52359799 shares, 34,073.00 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 900 @ 0.00661654 = 5.9549 BTC [+]
assbot: Have you got any tobacco?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5 @ 0.0007 = 0.0035 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23400 @ 0.0007 = 16.38 BTC [+]
Bugpowder_: that's why I exercised early and bot 500k of S.MPOE
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14000 @ 0.00069235 = 9.6929 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4750 @ 0.00068719 = 3.2642 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12502 @ 0.0007 = 8.7514 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17300 @ 0.0007 = 12.11 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4800 @ 0.0007 = 3.36 BTC [+]
Bugpowder_: The next great 10% trade for me is coming soon
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6950 @ 0.00068952 = 4.7922 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8468 @ 0.00069197 = 5.8596 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71 @ 0.00069409 = 0.0493 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3561 @ 0.00069732 = 2.4832 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2150 @ 0.00643878 = 13.8434 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5250 @ 0.00069642 = 3.6562 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18560 @ 0.00069642 = 12.9256 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 600 @ 0.00654062 = 3.9244 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1580 @ 0.00657713 = 10.3919 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19200 @ 0.00068898 = 13.2284 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.59 = 1.18 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 40 @ 0.6099999 = 24.4 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.62 = 1.86 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.625 = 6.25 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 670 @ 0.00664351 = 4.4512 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.635 = 6.35 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 20 @ 0.64 = 12.8 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8550 @ 0.00069636 = 5.9539 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.00069631 = 5.0831 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.000697 = 6.97 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 673 @ 0.00069732 = 0.4693 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.65 = 6.5 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: S.MPOE paid a total dividend of 2`531.16646003 BTC to 500`000`000 outstanding shares. #dividend #bitcoin #btc #stocks
FabianB: first div announcement with its new api?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2333 @ 0.00659999 = 15.3978 BTC [-]
jurov: oh lol so i actually paid first :DDDD
jurov: you're on bitfunder?
FabianB: jurov: btw. y do i still have 200?
jurov: i can issue 100k shares, no prob
jurov: oh you mean -O. no that was liquidated
jurov: to reinvest, buy MPBPT-E
jurov: or, there will me fresh March offering of -O later
FabianB: i know, just wondering why O is still in my assets in bitfunder
jurov: ah so. Ukto said he said he disabled it completely, but he did not reset it yet
FabianB: will think about reinvesting, dunno where yet though
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 980 @ 0.00659999 = 6.468 BTC [-]
jurov: mpex dividend distributed to coinbr users, too
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1453 @ 0.00659999 = 9.5898 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.00069631 = 4.1779 BTC [-]
jurov: oh i got it already
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3649 @ 0.00068898 = 2.5141 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3469 @ 0.0006885 = 2.3884 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2550 @ 0.00068796 = 1.7543 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3232 @ 0.00068433 = 2.2118 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100 @ 0.00069574 = 0.0696 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7500 @ 0.00069644 = 5.2233 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: jurov "Noticed a few trades of CoinBr.MPBPT-O at 0.12" heh.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9700 @ 0.00068634 = 6.6575 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2950 @ 0.00068634 = 2.0247 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2050 @ 0.00068634 = 1.407 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5543 @ 0.00068433 = 3.7932 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7657 @ 0.00068403 = 5.2376 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 4890 @ 0.0065857 = 32.2041 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12150 @ 0.00069003 = 8.3839 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21950 @ 0.00068943 = 15.133 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1300 @ 0.00659999 = 8.58 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12850 @ 0.00069003 = 8.8669 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00069004 = 6.7624 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1000 @ 0.01 = 10 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7475 @ 0.00069004 = 5.158 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20800 @ 0.00069004 = 14.3528 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 4 @ 0.01 = 0.04 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 748 @ 0.0065857 = 4.9261 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 252 @ 0.0064388 = 1.6226 BTC [-]
gribble: Error: "ANSWER" is not a valid command.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19650 @ 0.00069004 = 13.5593 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.00068943 = 3.8608 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12800 @ 0.00068943 = 8.8247 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15827 @ 0.00068798 = 10.8887 BTC [-]
leotreasure: :) lots of betting action still on the blockchain
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1033 @ 0.01 = 10.33 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8573 @ 0.00068798 = 5.8981 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 193 @ 0.00068403 = 0.132 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21234 @ 0.00068373 = 14.5183 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3766 @ 0.00068373 = 2.5749 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1984 @ 0.00068084 = 1.3508 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3610 @ 0.00659999 = 23.826 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1470 @ 0.00661549 = 9.7248 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 5000 @ 0.0066442 = 33.221 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1074 @ 0.00664421 = 7.1359 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.00671202 = 3.356 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1370 @ 0.00673092 = 9.2214 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 700 @ 0.00675475 = 4.7283 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2709 @ 0.00675754 = 18.3062 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 300 @ 0.0067687 = 2.0306 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1200 @ 0.00682498 = 8.19 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00698 = 6.98 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2411 @ 0.00699711 = 16.87 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 10900 @ 0.0069999 = 76.2989 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 10000 @ 0.0070999 = 70.999 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 10000 @ 0.0072999 = 72.999 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 10000 @ 0.0073899 = 73.899 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 50000 @ 0.00739 = 369.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3000 @ 0.00739 = 22.17 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 10000 @ 0.00749 = 74.9 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1324 @ 0.0075 = 9.93 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00623493 / 0.00701656 / 0.0075 (175719 shares, 1,232.94 BTC), 7D: 0.00085848 / 0.00489105 / 0.0075 (1102184 shares, 5,390.84 BTC), 30D: 0.00085848 / 0.00422307 / 0.0075 (10417761 shares, 43,994.98 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1200 @ 0.00702613 = 8.4314 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15000 @ 0.00068929 = 10.3394 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7675 @ 0.00069004 = 5.2961 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 458 @ 0.00069573 = 0.3186 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 6058 @ 0.00702613 = 42.5643 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 250 @ 0.0067 = 1.675 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1300 @ 0.00068084 = 0.8851 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9900 @ 0.00068084 = 6.7403 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 500 @ 0.0068 = 3.4 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8900 @ 0.00068437 = 6.0909 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6382 @ 0.00068084 = 4.3451 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16319 @ 0.00068057 = 11.1062 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1719 @ 0.00705615 = 12.1295 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: oh ive got one down there for sure
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15600 @ 0.00068166 = 10.6339 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 131 @ 0.00068057 = 0.0892 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3362 @ 0.00068013 = 2.2866 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: but at least I can cancel all orders in a single keystroke
Bugpowder: and do market analysis and place a bunch as well
Bugpowder: I need to integrated it with the finance package
Bugpowder: It's like taking way to long to track all my positions by hand
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2133 @ 0.00068437 = 1.4598 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15467 @ 0.00068472 = 10.5906 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00068013 = 6.9373 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: if they cant write a trading script on their own...
Bugpowder: maybe they are bad at the only thing they are good at
mircea_popescu: well let's see... there's fewer spots more prestigious than the mpex faq, they're not in there for having written a mathlab script
mircea_popescu: so i guess either too stupid to code or too stupid to know what to pick to code.
Bugpowder: What's the total user base of MPEX now?
Bugpowder: or if the market competition heats up
mircea_popescu: no cause information wants to be free and 30 btc is too much
Bugpowder: I was gonna pay smickles 30 btc to code the bot
Bugpowder: but then I wrote most of it last night
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 5000 @ 0.001139 = 5.695 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: I didn't realize how easy it would be
Bugpowder: and regexp is my wary acquaintance.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00749898 = 7.499 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.007499 = 7.499 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3300 @ 0.0075 = 24.75 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00721288 = 7.2129 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2409 @ 0.00749999 = 18.0675 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 468 @ 0.00068472 = 0.3204 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13000 @ 0.00069043 = 8.9756 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3765 @ 0.00069573 = 2.6194 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: so funny how real businesses create value much faster than a ponzi
kakobrekla: yeah deflation makes it impossible to go broke
mircea_popescu: you know i've not met a girl that didn't in what, 20 years by now.
kakobrekla: unfortunatley bitcoin community is testosterone powered
Bugpowder: it does not appeal to women in general
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00726698 = 7.267 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00749998 = 7.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 738 @ 0.00749999 = 5.535 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.0006873 = 4.8111 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2800 @ 0.00068731 = 1.9245 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2250 @ 0.00069573 = 1.5654 BTC [+]
pigeons: this dice price is a little high i think
kakobrekla: at this rate, bbet will be a good deal soon! lulz
Bugpowder: I think S.DICE price will float around 2% dividend EV
Bugpowder: its a number people can understand
Bugpowder: it think profit is acutally around 17k
Bugpowder: ;;calc 600000*.019/100000000/.0075
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21700 @ 0.00068013 = 14.7588 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: all my shares got bot this morining tho
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14750 @ 0.00068013 = 10.0319 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: based on historical price / dividend yield
pigeons: i just hate to pay so much for something that cost me half that a few days ago
Bugpowder: BUT, much less regulatory risk there
Bugpowder: S.DICE cost .0009 a few days ago for a lucky someone
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.00069573 = 4.8701 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: Hey I wish I had my shares back too
Bugpowder: but I'm not upset about getting out at .007-.0075
mircea_popescu: as i always say, options mm-ing is the only business in the world where if you don't have customers you're depressed and if you do have them you're worried.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15988 @ 0.00068013 = 10.8739 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26100 @ 0.00068012 = 17.7511 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18872 @ 0.00068001 = 12.8331 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17800 @ 0.00067851 = 12.0775 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16600 @ 0.00067717 = 11.241 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4640 @ 0.0006766 = 3.1394 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.00749998 = 3.75 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 6853 @ 0.00749999 = 51.3974 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1647 @ 0.0075 = 12.3525 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11531 @ 0.0006766 = 7.8019 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32050 @ 0.00067567 = 21.6552 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: hopefully this will cause a panic sell
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6419 @ 0.00067517 = 4.3339 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 4500 @ 0.0075 = 33.75 BTC [+]
StarenseN: i'm surprised that the betting script is down aswell
Bugpowder: it would hilarous if I got out the morning it shut down, at the all time high
StarenseN: because the adresses and algorithm linked doesn't need a front-end website
pigeons: oh so its down, down, not just the web site
StarenseN: it'd be intelligent to separate and 2 differents servers the script and the website
pigeons: do they have a freenode channel?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00721288 = 7.2129 BTC [-]
StarenseN: Bugpowder do you hold some assets or only speculating S.DICE shares ?
mircea_popescu: <StarenseN> i'm surprised that the betting script is down aswell
Bugpowder: StarenseN I just hang out here all day and have no assets
StarenseN: mircea_popescu are you sure, when i look to blockchain, adresses refund immediately
mircea_popescu: c9e35452e695c96648a1834844e64d88720724a55aab66b257fccbbfc826e7a6 my bet
mircea_popescu: e39cb60a469a05ffa14c84cb48949332592548d7ad9c7cdbabb102f85a4b09b7
StarenseN: your bet : e39cb60a469a05ffa14c84cb48949332592548d7ad9c7cdbabb102f85a4b09b7 on blockchain
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.0006883 = 4.6804 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: someone gave the addy earlier, should be kinda high odds to win
StarenseN: how high do you think it will rise :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.00749999 = 3.75 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1350 @ 0.0075 = 10.125 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18100 @ 0.00067517 = 12.2206 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: maybe I should code up the fabulous tulip site
StarenseN: the funniest part is the one with the beacon
StarenseN: people had troubles for less than that
mircea_popescu: anyway, this is back before "the muslims" were "rioting" because "some film".
mircea_popescu: apparently it wasn't exactly the film, now was it, seeing how if anyone ever gave a shit there'd be much better films to be had.
kakobrekla: only thing that boggles me is why would you make a open fire inside the house
StarenseN: It's sad that people care about religions
mircea_popescu: people don't give a shit about religions any more than they give a shit about all the rest of the meaningless drivel they use to complain about.
mircea_popescu: you think neighbours calling the police actualyl care about the music ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12050 @ 0.0006883 = 8.294 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 130 @ 0.00068883 = 0.0895 BTC [+]
StarenseN: but it's true that the video is wired and sad
StarenseN: but as i can read, he's keen to do his actual business
StarenseN: but all the ego stuff sometimes are borderline
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12200 @ 0.00068614 = 8.3709 BTC [-]
pigeons: nice to see you repaying usagi
mircea_popescu: jesus what's with the bot names. ass bot, bug bot, do you people hate your bots ?
mircea_popescu: old options trading page was called Mircea Popescu Options Emporium
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6670 @ 0.00068883 = 4.5945 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46530 @ 0.00068927 = 32.0717 BTC [+]
pigeons: smickles: what will you charge to cook i mean do EskimoBob's books?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 8 @ 0.645 = 5.16 BTC [-]
pigeons: you did kill the litecoin price eventually
pigeons: cashing out to buy the kiln
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 7 @ 0.6699999 = 4.69 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.0006878 = 2.9575 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14200 @ 0.00068725 = 9.759 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10470 @ 0.00068927 = 7.2167 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15330 @ 0.00068943 = 10.569 BTC [+]
smickles: pigeons: the cost of a bag of coal and one of those stick lighters, plus 2 btc/hr while they burn
smickles: ya know, I could probably go double uber and do bo
smickles: er, * bookkeeping 'by hand' in sed
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.0006175 / 0.00067994 / 0.0007 (2582876 shares, 1,756.21 BTC), 7D: 0.00059445 / 0.00065297 / 0.0007 (23780105 shares, 15,527.87 BTC), 30D: 0.00059445 / 0.00065195 / 0.0007 (53329141 shares, 34,768.04 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00623493 / 0.00708425 / 0.0075 (209513 shares, 1,484.24 BTC), 7D: 0.00085848 / 0.00497091 / 0.0075 (1136369 shares, 5,648.80 BTC), 30D: 0.00085848 / 0.00423412 / 0.0075 (10454535 shares, 44,265.77 BTC)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.6699999 = 2.01 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 7 @ 0.67 = 4.69 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.67 = 1.34 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.67 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.68 = 3.4 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.7 = 2.8 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 6 @ 0.7 = 4.2 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.7 = 1.4 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4050 @ 0.00068943 = 2.7922 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK:SDICE] 1D: 0.55000001 / 0.60657376 / 0.70000000 (305 shares, 185.00499530 BTC), 7D: 0.44000000 / 0.56411554 / 0.70000000 (1170 shares, 660.01518496 BTC), 30D: 0.37000000 / 0.48434718 / 0.70000000 (4998 shares, 2420.76718484 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 198 @ 0.00721288 = 1.4282 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1200 @ 0.00068725 = 0.8247 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4100 @ 0.00068614 = 2.8132 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14436 @ 0.00068166 = 9.8404 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1614 @ 0.00067517 = 1.0897 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 6 @ 0.7 = 4.2 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 300 @ 0.00067905 = 0.2037 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00067905 = 6.3831 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.78 = 7.8 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 15 @ 0.79 = 11.85 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.79 = 7.9 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.79 = 3.16 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.78 = 7.8 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: "Ovulatory cycle effects on tip earnings by lap dancers: economic evidence for human estrus?"
Bugpowder: I think the gem is going over 100 by monday
Bugpowder: people are going to hit it pretty fast for now
mircea_popescu: A mixed-model analysis of 296 work shifts (representing about 5300 lap dances) showed an interaction between cycle phase and hormonal contraception use. Normally cycling participants earned about US$335 per 5-h shift during estrus, US$260 per shift during the luteal phase, and US$185 per shift during menstruation. By contrast, participants using contraceptive pills showed no estrous earnings peak.
gribble: Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number.
Bugpowder: but the knowledge of it is growing
Schadenfreude: meh, they tried to prove that men can detect on a subconcious level the cycle phase of women
mircea_popescu: and in general men's ability to detect it is a good indiator of mens ability to get laid.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 50 @ 0.79 = 39.5 BTC [+]
Schadenfreude: pretty much every kind of research except for political bs like manipulating data to prove an agenda pays off in the long term, knowledge is useful
mircea_popescu: Schadenfreude it being useful is not in discussion tho. it being useful enough to justify the costs is.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 31 @ 0.79 = 24.49 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.8 = 8 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9094 @ 0.00067905 = 6.1753 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1606 @ 0.00068943 = 1.1072 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.0242 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 100 @ 0.0241 = 2.41 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 86 @ 0.0241 = 2.0726 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 100 @ 0.024 = 2.4 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17985 @ 0.00068943 = 12.3994 BTC [+]
Schadenfreude: was it tax money or money actually earned by a university with tuition fees etc?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20450 @ 0.00068943 = 14.0988 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: there's no actual private university in the us. there's just different types of graft financing.
Schadenfreude: though really, aslong as upto 80% of people's income are being taxed away under various pretenses, where that money goes to isn't that important
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3117 @ 0.00067517 = 2.1045 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19233 @ 0.00067389 = 12.9609 BTC [-]
Schadenfreude: it's like somebody complaining that a mugger gambles the money away he robbed instead of buying food for it
mircea_popescu: I'm calling it now and you can count on this : When everything Bitcoin related will go big, Mircea, MPEX and Satoshi Dice won't. Stop worrying , it is a non-issue.
mircea_popescu: this socialist delusion is possibly the most amusing thing i've ever seen
mircea_popescu: no, i mean that every single idiot no matter how irrelevant, marginal or outright stupid
mircea_popescu: wields with conviction the almighty weapon of universal agreement with himself.
mircea_popescu: "everyone i know things i'm right, for any values of everyone = 0, which is how many people i know"
Schadenfreude: normal idiots doing this are annoying, politicians voted in by those idiots using the same terminology to push for insane laws, now that's different
Schadenfreude: how obama surrounded himself with children announcing his insane ideas or gun control while his own kids are protected by armed guard 24/7
mircea_popescu: they're not annoying, it's what they do. a cow chewing cud is not annoying.
mircea_popescu: what are annoying are the people who know better but prefer to "be polite"
Schadenfreude: what do you expect? '68 came, everybody's the same and has a right not to get their feelings hurt
mircea_popescu: i hurt feelings as if they were fish roe at a japanese restaurant
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13664 @ 0.00068943 = 9.4204 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12286 @ 0.00069078 = 8.4869 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4441 @ 0.00067389 = 2.9927 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18594 @ 0.000673 = 12.5138 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3826 @ 0.0006864 = 2.6262 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3274 @ 0.00069078 = 2.2616 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3650 @ 0.000673 = 2.4565 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6356 @ 0.000673 = 4.2776 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19750 @ 0.00067292 = 13.2902 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1194 @ 0.00067155 = 0.8018 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13900 @ 0.00068151 = 9.473 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 950 @ 0.00739837 = 7.0285 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1190 @ 0.0075 = 8.925 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 50 @ 0.00729868 = 0.3649 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6940 @ 0.00069078 = 4.794 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2260 @ 0.0006941 = 1.5687 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.34 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.79 = 2.37 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15003 @ 0.00068455 = 10.2703 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 500 @ 0.00068151 = 0.3408 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22534 @ 0.00067155 = 15.1327 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 1300 @ 0.001139 = 1.4807 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0.0010499 / 0.00113009 / 0.001139 (7000 shares, 7.91 BTC), 7D: 0.00100006 / 0.00104808 / 0.00129998 (29810 shares, 31.24 BTC), 30D: 0.000337 / 0.00078548 / 0.0035 (2276672 shares, 1,788.29 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6950 @ 0.0006761 = 4.6989 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41 @ 0.00067155 = 0.0275 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17400 @ 0.00067117 = 11.6784 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3259 @ 0.00067069 = 2.1858 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: check out that guy, bet 5 cents on zeman came out like 600%
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10800 @ 0.00067069 = 7.2435 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9700 @ 0.00067069 = 6.5057 BTC [-]
jurov: visited parents today, watched him being funny together
jurov: we'll certainly hear more from him... untill they keep him under drugs :D
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.0589 BTC [+]
markedathome: [16:53:14] <@assbot> [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.0242 BTC [+]
markedathome: [16:53:37] <@assbot> [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 100 @ 0.0241 = 2.41 BTC [-]
markedathome: [16:53:39] <@assbot> [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 86 @ 0.0241 = 2.0726 BTC [-]
markedathome: [16:53:51] <@assbot> [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 100 @ 0.024 = 2.4 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 691 @ 0.00067069 = 0.4634 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6183 @ 0.0006705 = 4.1457 BTC [-]
JWU42: markedathome: that is the first one since then
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15950 @ 0.0006761 = 10.7838 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17900 @ 0.0006705 = 12.002 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18300 @ 0.0006705 = 12.2702 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 10 @ 0.3302 = 3.302 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2687 @ 0.0006705 = 1.8016 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22750 @ 0.00066999 = 15.2423 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17800 @ 0.00066963 = 11.9194 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16513 @ 0.00066956 = 11.0564 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 5 @ 0.34 = 1.7 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 5 @ 0.344 = 1.72 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18191 @ 0.00066956 = 12.18 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8100 @ 0.00066933 = 5.4216 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17413 @ 0.00066827 = 11.6366 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10412 @ 0.00066811 = 6.9564 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3484 @ 0.00066723 = 2.3246 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.0589 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21600 @ 0.0006761 = 14.6038 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16400 @ 0.00067932 = 11.1408 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 500 @ 0.00067791 = 0.339 BTC [-]
jurov: mircea_popescu, buying of february bonds is open till today midnight UTC? Ukto tries hard to confuse me :D
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1150 @ 0.0073451 = 8.4469 BTC [+]
jurov: oh, wasn't it 24 hours?
jurov: okay. now, when we sent 100 BTC and 888 satoshi in 1st jan
jurov: we should have received 9.99 BTC back, no?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.7777777 = 2.3333 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00623493 / 0.00711679 / 0.0075 (208579 shares, 1,484.41 BTC), 7D: 0.00085848 / 0.00498425 / 0.0075 (1128924 shares, 5,626.85 BTC), 30D: 0.00085848 / 0.00423684 / 0.0075 (10455136 shares, 44,296.82 BTC)
Bowjob: Did we ever find out who the unlucky sap was that sold 500k S.Dice @ 0.0018?
Bowjob: I'm sure he has a bitcointalk name. He must be having a rough time right now still..
Bugpowder: one day soon, I will master regular expressions
evoorhees: silly fool doesn't realize a ddos against SD doesn't work
mircea_popescu: this was pretty high bw, so it finally made move to the proxy system
mircea_popescu: it's funny just how many problems bitcoin resolves. there's not that many internet businesses which can build themselves ddos immunity.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla well no, blockchain affords erik teh immunitah
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10845 @ 0.00068459 = 7.4244 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1301 @ 0.00733653 = 9.5448 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.0073451 = 3.6726 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 400 @ 0.00741643 = 2.9666 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 599 @ 0.00745 = 4.4626 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13295 @ 0.00068459 = 9.1016 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12581 @ 0.00068592 = 8.6296 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4228 @ 0.00066955 = 2.8309 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9057 @ 0.00066476 = 6.0207 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12074 @ 0.00066305 = 8.0057 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 141 @ 0.00066298 = 0.0935 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2742 @ 0.00745 = 20.4279 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: I really think the gem is going to hit 1000BTC in a week
Bugpowder: everything we know about the bitcoin community supports this
mircea_popescu: can't do that sorta thing, cause site op can just put 1k in and whoop.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla no it's not. biggest fish allows the poor to play.
mircea_popescu: this one is self limiting, as price goes up the sorts of ppl who'd like to play can't anymore.
Bugpowder: in bitcoin world has this idea been implemented
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder not afaik. but i still don't see it's an idea :p
Bugpowder: there are people betting 4000 btc at a time on s.dice
Bugpowder: do not underestimate the idiocy of bitcoiners
gribble: Nick 'Bugpowder', with hostmask 'Bugpowder!47ab6a02@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.171.106.2', is not identified.
mircea_popescu: i think few people just yet realise how to use bbet for hedging
mircea_popescu: like, refund your bfl order, are worried they may ship ? put a yes on that bet, get a little back.
Bugpowder: regular expression extraction of data is truly an exercise in aligning the precision of what you think you are saying with what you actually are saing
smickles: Bugpowder: do you need the regex to break down option mpsics?
smickles: one sec, i'll post the one i use
Bugpowder: need to parse the orders into cells
Bugpowder: but it's probably not as pretty as it should be
smickles: are you not using a json parser for that?
smickles: or look at jurov's mpexagent on github
smickles: he has the parser for a regular stat
smickles: mircea_popescu: you should expect no less of me :D
smickles: ther's a 'd' in the middle of the boobs too
mircea_popescu: in retrospect i shoulda made this stuff a lot more complicated
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 111 @ 0.001139 = 0.1264 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: <smickles> STATJSON <Bugpowder> fuuuuck <smickles> rtfm << mwahaha.
mircea_popescu: that precious moment when one realises he's been climbing the wrong hill for the past two days
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 500 @ 0.0014 = 0.7 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: ie openOrders.names = regexp(tmp{1}, '[OSX][A-Z0-9\.]*(?! : B)','match')'
smickles: remember how someone said something like, 'if i seem great, it's only b/c i have stood on the shoulders of giants'
smickles: that applies to code too (sometimes)
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.01 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: owner gets to borrow the last deposit
kakobrekla: i should exclude usefullness factor when i contemplate my next projects
Bugpowder: the math woks out such that the owner takes 55% of the final deposit in cume fees
kakobrekla: "For personal reasons, I do not browse the web from my computer.
kakobrekla: (I also have not net connection much of the time.) To look
kakobrekla: at page I send mail to a demon which runs wget and mails the
kakobrekla: page back to me. It is very efficient use of my time, but it
kakobrekla: is slow in real time." - Richard Stallman
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3719 @ 0.00068592 = 2.5509 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5871 @ 0.00068857 = 4.0426 BTC [+]
smickles: this section of code (which i am refactoring) is like that first stalker (sc2 unit) warped in which somehow lasts through 45 minutes of engagements, only to fall to the last zergling b/f the other guy gg's
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1650 @ 0.00735221 = 12.1311 BTC [-]
jcpham: 04:37:20 up 467 days, 4:00, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
jcpham: i'm calling that router stable
jcpham: i'm going tostart using those firewall things one day
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8410 @ 0.0006859 = 5.7684 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22558 @ 0.00067662 = 15.2632 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8242 @ 0.00067062 = 5.5273 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6090 @ 0.00068132 = 4.1492 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 457 @ 0.00068857 = 0.3147 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2570 @ 0.0006921 = 1.7787 BTC [+]
smickles: hmm, do I shoot for the balmer peak, or not?
smickles: i am on a puzzler of a problem to solve
smickles: "Called the Ballmer Peak, it was discovered by Microsoft in the late 80's. The cause is unknown, but somehow a blood alcohol content between 0.129% and 0.138% confers superhuman programming ability"
smickles: I'm sure it's just confirmation bias, but I believe it's true based on first hand expiremental evidence
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5958 @ 0.00067062 = 3.9956 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17842 @ 0.00066577 = 11.8787 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4200 @ 0.0006921 = 2.9068 BTC [+]
smickles: SOEBOT refactored and online :)
smickles: it would have if you discounted the initial testing of the short calls
smickles: plus, with the spot on move of the other one during that rise to 19, I actually came out ahead overall
smickles: oh, and you could add in the mpbor returns
smickles: yeah, all mpex related thingies were nice this month :)
mircea_popescu: i can tell by the feverish pitch forum hate is reaching.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4303 @ 0.00068585 = 2.9512 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23690 @ 0.00068554 = 16.2404 BTC [-]
smickles: heh, mpex's volume 'musta burned a few butts
smickles: average tx, 22 btc. mircea_popescu what sort of average is that?
smickles: woah, s.bbet's chart looks like a lognormal distribution
mircea_popescu: smickles totally. im so infatuated with that ipo system...
mircea_popescu: it's an entire topic in finance this, how to best do ipos
mircea_popescu: they're normally a very wasteful endeavour, economically.
smickles: well, i meant the price chart just happens to look like a lognormal distribution
smickles: mircea_popescu: what do you see as the goal of an ipo?
smickles: bring as much money to the company as possible?
mircea_popescu: market price of asset to touch real price of asset as soon as possible.
mircea_popescu: the faster the 0-infinity window is closed the better.
smickles: so you think the method is supressing the share price?
smickles: I mean to get at why you're inf...oh, i read that as infuriated
mircea_popescu: if a company is oversold on ipo that's usually a very bad thing for the company.
mircea_popescu: it's not immediately obvious, but it ruins it more often than not.
gribble: Time since last block: 31 minutes and 11 seconds
mircea_popescu: smickles hey, any way you could recompile the windows/macosx binaries for pympex ?
smickles: mircea_popescu: i've never done that sort of thing, the mac machine i have access too is too old and depreciated, and the windows macine i have access to is annoyingly slow and I don't want to use it.
evoorhees: hey guys... 1 btc for anyone who can help me with python/mpex.py issue
evoorhees: I'm trying mpex.py STAT command, and it's not working
jcpham: help mr. voorhees out smickles
Bugpowder: I had to change to code to specify the key
Bugpowder: if your default key is not the mpex one
smickles: that warning means that the data from mpex wasn't signed by mpex
evoorhees: yeah I do now... had to reformat computer so I'm going through process again
mircea_popescu: evoorhees look in mpex.py, does the 10th or so line read
gribble: Nick 'evoorhees', with hostmask 'evoorhees!~evoorhees@ool-45738bde.dyn.optonline.net', is not identified.
smickles: if you are getting a signed response, and that warning happens, something fishy is going on
smickles: either mpex is signing with the wrong key, or someone else is signing it
smickles: but, are you actually getting a signed response?
mircea_popescu: evoorhees you should try going through the thing by hand.
smickles: is there any output after the warning lines?
mircea_popescu: clearsign a stat, then encrypt it, then paste iti nto the site
evoorhees: yeah smickles, it says "SyntaxError: invalid syntax"
smickles: what is mpex retruning to you that causes a syntax error?
smickles: 'cause after that warning, there rest of the code is basically if reply == '': return none
mod6: doesn't it just work like: mpex.py "STAT"
mod6: and maybe since you just re-installed, make sure that all is well with the mpex public key on the keyring...
smickles: and it's not returning nothing b/c it would've printed "couldn't decode <bla bla bla>
evoorhees: and I get further in the process, but still an error
smickles: mpex-bin may have the old address coded in
mircea_popescu: evoorhees mod6 has a point. are you signing with the right key ?
smickles: evoorhees: did it work when you did it mannually?
mircea_popescu: a different one might have been picked as tghe default
smickles: mircea_popescu: it would've given a different error
evoorhees: I've tried signing with both of the email keys I use
mircea_popescu: if all else fails email me a clearsigned STAT and i'll have it looked at from this end
smickles: oh, the newer one has a logger
smickles: evoorhees: try with the '-l' option
evoorhees: mircea I have no idea what you're talking about :)
evoorhees: now... when I downloaded the "mpex.py" file, do I need to put it anywhere?
smickles: you can run it from that folder, or you can grab the setup file and install it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22558 @ 0.00066577 = 15.0184 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2090 @ 0.00066298 = 1.3856 BTC [-]
smickles: prolly easier just to run it from the folder
gribble: Nick 'evoorhees', with hostmask 'evoorhees!~evoorhees@ool-45738bde.dyn.optonline.net', is not identified.
jcpham: no offense but i'd be careful about what information i'd give out
mod6: smickles: is it ./ on windows?
mod6: the windows part has me geeked out... I'm not even sure how to execute gpg on windows lol
mircea_popescu: smickles do they use " or ' on win ? i recall jurov established the right one
evoorhees: can't bloody copy text from the cmd prompt
smickles: ugg, i dunno, I prefer an OS which allows either mircea_popescu
mod6: i would say to also check that key ring to make sure that you see this keyid for mpex: 9214FC6BF1B69921 -- in unix its `gpg --list-keys --keyid-format=long`
mircea_popescu: lol evoorhees sounds like he's in the middle of a real battle there.
evoorhees: C:\Python27>python mpex.py -1-"STAT"
evoorhees: Traceback (most recent call last):
evoorhees: File "mpex.py", line 3, in <module>
evoorhees: ImportError: No module named gnupg
jcpham: i wouldn't want someone to be impersonating him
jcpham: nd you guys give him too much info somehow
jcpham: and allow it to get worse
smickles: mircea_popescu: jurov funded by bugpowder iirc
jcpham: impersonator could be gathering intel
smickles: well, the way things are going, it might be illegal to know how to use pympex, and this "evoorhees" is a fed :o
jcpham: if i come in here one day asking questions and i'm not auth'd
evoorhees: I uninstalled it, went back to 2.7, and then added gnupg
mircea_popescu: jcpham but i mean tech questions ? why not ? public knowledge, or should be.
smickles: I'm not sure if pympex is python3 compatible
evoorhees: yeah.... see that's a problem if the link on the site takes you to python download page and 3.3 is at the top
mircea_popescu: and i guess this should be fixed, yeah. confuses ppls.
mircea_popescu: gave a moment's pause there cause wtf, someone is signing as mpex wioth the wrong key ?!
mircea_popescu: what sort of uber rootkit you'd have to have on your system for that 1...
jcpham: well let's say eric's pc is exploited and the people don't know how to use mpex
jcpham: and they want to cause havok
jcpham: but they don't have a clue what to do
evoorhees: hey jcpham... how do I "authenticate"?
mircea_popescu: so basically "what if erik is kidnapped by 6 buxom airheads"
gribble: Error: This nick is not registered. Please register.
gribble: Error: Could not find a pending authentication request from your hostmask. Either it expired, or you changed hostmask, or you haven't made one.
jcpham: i'm just saying, i've seen him authenticate
evoorhees: ;;everify -----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE-----
gribble: (everify <otp>) -- Verify the latest encrypt-authentication request by providing your decrypted one-time password. If verified, you'll be authenticated for the duration of the bot's or your IRC session on channel (whichever is shorter).
evoorhees: hQEMA2r98eA5gHNkAQf9EM5TP/idfBexaM+7rOSFc14wlqtB06D+HwgKRAxDbBxQ
evoorhees: fQCbVfwIqvs1D+EDd2WU3wWusGLzqUr8RPNwVKTR20yD43U8jHSHDgIWS+9UYYSh
evoorhees: y8QbU933JftsTLrab6k+saCaWhYSVv+cKXE4TWrk/gF7TU6hBXYwOmsmALCw/sGE
evoorhees: psyrM0FqdIzSNgnN104l5OUwBrBu2It5h7VETP6r2PeFeNFCTsZFViUYEd79fk9a
evoorhees: 1esQ5K3C1pFcqOderp4NmBeUWnOOaVsrnozCOkms9Aq97RoE4gZKkkbzZBz0Bl+6
evoorhees: ss2yCm5NfCDOEftngH+Ht0WxVR85xMik4Heg80YoPdKIAfISkZremhvmJVPrl2ql
evoorhees: jlbLoz1JHBEmbASsS1q5KnNd+RixpMjnLj0tXbzudqOwMdSJcL27VyDNeiLbb0wm
evoorhees: C0z8Pv/WBVMwh7MBBCZS0QMEd2cVnL6D+qFfwTUnD+XORSEsw3RPWRT8X7LhdHcZ
evoorhees: elSjlp+xedJV5YhK4P2vF9cgdWW/GuQyCA==
mod6: you need to decrypt that message with GnuPG (gpg)
mircea_popescu: smickles any idea why pyumpex doesn't work in py 3.3 btw ?
jcpham: ;;everify the decrypted response string
gribble: (everify <otp>) -- Verify the latest encrypt-authentication request by providing your decrypted one-time password. If verified, you'll be authenticated for the duration of the bot's or your IRC session on channel (whichever is shorter).
mod6: the decrypted message itself is the one time password to auth with gribble
smickles: mircea_popescu: different syntax
jcpham: it's identity verification through public/private keys
mod6: evoorhees: not in the least, actually.
evoorhees: no... bitcoin is just a bit complicated
smickles: mircea_popescu: it is, actually, there are 2to3 scripts
jcpham: you can use bitcoin address to identify with gribble also
mircea_popescu: you know that word keeps cropping up... somebody was calling me obtuse on my blog the other day
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17400 @ 0.00066298 = 11.5359 BTC [-]
jcpham: gribble verifies your key, we're all on the up and up
smickles: evoorhees: how did you auth before?
evoorhees: yeah but you don't need to be pasting and calling up commands and going through fifteen steps to use bitcoin
jcpham: i have my auth scripted
jcpham: minus being prompted for a password
evoorhees: see that sentence right there jcpham "i have my auth scripted"... wtf does that mean?
mircea_popescu: evoorhees he has a script that does the authing for yu. what you're doing now manually.
smickles: it means he has a program do it for him
jcpham: i don't mean to be a dick, i really don't
jcpham: i'd hate to see some one impersoante you
mod6: hmmm.. pic with shoe on head?
mircea_popescu: you just start gpg and paste the content of gribble's link in there
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.3004 = 0.6008 BTC [-]
smickles: how did he get this thing registered, if he can't auth now?
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, "Sacred Ritual class next weekend in Portland, accepting bitcoin"
evoorhees: I mean... all this stuff, how it works now, is great for hackers and tech people, but unfortunately the world will not be using privacy and ITsec when they work like this
mircea_popescu: smickles i think he did it the normal way but meanwhile lost the hang of it
evoorhees: maybe it's good that the avg govt worker doesn't know how to use this stuff
smickles: ya know, an iPhone app could be written to do all this for people
smickles: well, i have an mpex for android
mircea_popescu: once mod6 figures out how to store keys safely and gets iphone mpex tool
mod6: im getting there :)
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, how's it going ? xmas is here soon... :D
smickles: mircea_popescu: actualy, that short story I wrote
mod6: ikr... man, workin constantly doing this other stuff. but trying to wrap that stuff up so I can work on bitotter more
smickles: involved just such a program to make it easy to gpg, contract, bitcoin, all that as verbs
mod6: smickles: apple is well, what it is i guess. but they pulled their bitcoin related apps didn't they?!
gribble: Nick 'mircea_popescu', with hostmask 'mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu', is not identified.
mod6: so piss on apple until they get with the program
mircea_popescu: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:003377ad48763577a9ee8486e79ff52d5114852b7abc858643b8167b
gribble: Error: In order to authenticate, you must be present in one of the following channels: #bitcoin-otc;#bitcoin-otc-foyer;#bitcoin-otc-ru;#bitcoin-otc-eu;#bitcoin-otc-uk;#bitcoin-otc-bans
mod6: thats why android first :)
smickles: contracts were as easy as speaking "I agree to send 1 btc to the indicated address in exchange for a ride to wal-mart" to your phone
mircea_popescu: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:003377ad48763577a9ee8486e79ff52d5114852b7abc858643b8167b
gribble: You are now authenticated for user mircea_popescu with key 8A736F0E2FB7B452
gribble: Nick 'mircea_popescu', with hostmask 'mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu', is identified as user mircea_popescu, with GPG key id 8A736F0E2FB7B452, key fingerprint 6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452, and bitcoin address None
gribble: Nick 'mod6', with hostmask 'mod6!fb699aa74e@rider.us', is identified as user mod6, with GPG key id D655A630A13E8C69, key fingerprint AD7EA6BB386273FCAA5AE7ABD655A630A13E8C69, and bitcoin address None
smickles: the program would fill in the address based on your contacts list,
smickles: fool proof, unless you had your phone stolen w/o any lockscreen security
mircea_popescu: i think they're gonna start making selfdestruct phones
mircea_popescu: phone identifies your touch, if tyouched by anyone else it explodes.
smickles: apple is encrypted to the point that it doesn't matter if you password it
gribble: Error: This nick is not registered. Please register.
smickles: well, just for the hell of it, i'd have it shoot razorwire out ot their eyes
smickles: the first place where I lived on my own, I setup razorwire traps on the inside of all entrances. an unauthorized person would have 3 lengths of razorwire wrapped around them
smickles: simple too. cinderblock, razorwire, rope, pully
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 600 @ 0.00735041 = 4.4102 BTC [-]
mod6: that's some kinda security, be glad you didn't have a fire and have to use the window ;)
smickles: mircea_popescu: this was at a time when i liven in a place where the police had a tendancy to raid 'the wrong house'
smickles: mod6: actually, going out wouldn't set it off
smickles: and the tucson police are awesome, I don't hardly ever see them, so i think there arn't many of them 'per capita'.
mod6: but the tpd never fucked with me too hard
mod6: but the county boys were always giving me a run for my money
smickles: i'm told that the low crime in my area is unrelated to the low amt of police
smickles: mod6: might just be my neighborhood
mod6: tucson is really just patchy like that. some spots awesome, some spots not quite as awesome
mod6: i gotta take a vacation one of these days and go see my friends down there
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3319 @ 0.00066298 = 2.2004 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22881 @ 0.00066287 = 15.1671 BTC [-]
mod6: i miss the weather and the sunsets. :P
mod6: minneapolis is like an icebox
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3321 @ 0.00066287 = 2.2014 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18800 @ 0.00066281 = 12.4608 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.0006627 = 6.627 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1929 @ 0.00066269 = 1.2783 BTC [-]
mod6: jcpham: you can't ever be too paranoid
mod6: its good to watch this kinda stuff
mod6: did he ever get auth'd?
mod6: smickles: have you been up to flagstaff yet?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11424 @ 0.0006668 = 7.6175 BTC [+]
gribble: Time since last block: 5 minutes and 2 seconds
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17400 @ 0.00066631 = 11.5938 BTC [-]
mod6: well, i suppose i better try to finish up that aws stuff. i'll bbs :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20550 @ 0.0006668 = 13.7027 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4500 @ 0.00066631 = 2.9984 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15750 @ 0.00066269 = 10.4374 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2521 @ 0.00066269 = 1.6706 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19979 @ 0.0006622 = 13.2301 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 250 @ 0.00735041 = 1.8376 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3276 @ 0.0006668 = 2.1844 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9092 @ 0.00066762 = 6.07 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22750 @ 0.0006622 = 15.0651 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10227 @ 0.0006622 = 6.7723 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3173 @ 0.00066179 = 2.0999 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23926 @ 0.00066516 = 15.9146 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16919 @ 0.00066392 = 11.2329 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7127 @ 0.00066179 = 4.7166 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23500 @ 0.00066135 = 15.5417 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77880 @ 0.00066059 = 51.4467 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2088 @ 0.00066033 = 1.3788 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2800 @ 0.00066621 = 1.8654 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2300 @ 0.00738484 = 16.9851 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14912 @ 0.00066033 = 9.8468 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9888 @ 0.0006582 = 6.5083 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 5 @ 0.989 = 4.945 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41793 @ 0.0006582 = 27.5082 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20100 @ 0.0006582 = 13.2298 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13800 @ 0.0006582 = 9.0832 BTC [-]
jurov: smickles, mpex.py -l - DISABLES logging. read teh help...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 779 @ 0.00066621 = 0.519 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8008 @ 0.00066762 = 5.3463 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25163 @ 0.00066794 = 16.8074 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3937 @ 0.00066794 = 2.6297 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4015 @ 0.0006681 = 2.6824 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5685 @ 0.0006681 = 3.7981 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8700 @ 0.00066822 = 5.8135 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15615 @ 0.00066836 = 10.4364 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14555 @ 0.00066005 = 9.607 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13975 @ 0.00066836 = 9.3403 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 900 @ 0.00066836 = 0.6015 BTC [+]
jurov: yes, it works as usual it just won't output anything to log file if you pass -l -
jurov: if you don't pass -l parameter it logs to ./mpex.log
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3145 @ 0.00066775 = 2.1001 BTC [-]
jurov: any other value is considered log path/filename to be used instead of mpex.log
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16340 @ 0.00066743 = 10.9058 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17400 @ 0.00066743 = 11.6133 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4550 @ 0.00066305 = 3.0169 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.8 = 1.6 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.0064388 / 0.00723965 / 0.0075 (188520 shares, 1,364.82 BTC), 7D: 0.00085848 / 0.00500419 / 0.0075 (1115361 shares, 5,581.48 BTC), 30D: 0.00085848 / 0.00424022 / 0.0075 (10461746 shares, 44,360.19 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8819 @ 0.0006582 = 5.8047 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14250 @ 0.00065675 = 9.3587 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5931 @ 0.00065616 = 3.8917 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 50 @ 0.00738484 = 0.3692 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1550 @ 0.00738465 = 11.4462 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1050 @ 0.007323 = 7.6892 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8019 @ 0.00065616 = 5.2617 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13400 @ 0.00065588 = 8.7888 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20450 @ 0.00065586 = 13.4123 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2281 @ 0.00065558 = 1.4954 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3800 @ 0.00745 = 28.31 BTC [+]
gribble: Nick 'bitcoin5411', with hostmask 'bitcoin5411!~bitcoin54@190.244.81.62', is not identified.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 7 @ 0.00729616 = 0.0511 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 80 @ 0.00725542 = 0.5804 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1513 @ 0.00725541 = 10.9774 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 79 @ 0.00725541 = 0.5732 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2122 @ 0.00723577 = 15.3543 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 149 @ 0.00722182 = 1.0761 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9341 @ 0.00065596 = 6.1273 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7759 @ 0.00065704 = 5.098 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16100 @ 0.00065558 = 10.5548 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.0569 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.057 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11826 @ 0.00065704 = 7.7702 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21700 @ 0.0006593 = 14.3068 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5470 @ 0.00066305 = 3.6269 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4850 @ 0.00066305 = 3.2158 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 661 @ 0.00066305 = 0.4383 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15239 @ 0.00066636 = 10.1547 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16850 @ 0.00065587 = 11.0514 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10319 @ 0.00065558 = 6.7649 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1181 @ 0.00065493 = 0.7735 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 18000 @ 0.001139 = 20.502 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16000 @ 0.00065703 = 10.5125 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5950 @ 0.00066033 = 3.929 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9050 @ 0.00066033 = 5.976 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4511 @ 0.00066636 = 3.0059 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5339 @ 0.00066679 = 3.56 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 561 @ 0.00066679 = 0.3741 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5255 @ 0.00066743 = 3.5073 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1900 @ 0.00066465 = 1.2628 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10486 @ 0.00065544 = 6.8729 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: i have two brothers, ~22 and ~21 years younger than me
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11181 @ 0.00066038 = 7.3837 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 4 @ 0.3004 = 1.2016 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.3004 = 0.6008 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 11 @ 0.3003 = 3.3033 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 5 @ 0.3 = 1.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 10 @ 0.3 = 3 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LTC-MINING] 1 @ 0.3501 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3258 @ 0.00066038 = 2.1515 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5614 @ 0.00065544 = 3.6796 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 619 @ 0.00065493 = 0.4054 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6418 @ 0.00065437 = 4.1997 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2282 @ 0.00065437 = 1.4933 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.0006542 = 3.0093 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11918 @ 0.00065401 = 7.7945 BTC [-]
gribble: Nick 'mircea_popescu', with hostmask 'mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu', is not identified.
mircea_popescu: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:de790257e5a4b9d6efd7aae3ee154d1d499018b75cdb32a818f57b8f
gribble: You are now authenticated for user mircea_popescu with key 8A736F0E2FB7B452
mircea_popescu: ;;rate bugpowder 3 I'd be very much surprised if he ran off with your coins.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user bugpowder has changed from 1 to 3.
gribble: Successfully removed your rating for pigeons.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user rdponticelli has changed from 2 to 1.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user rdponticelli has changed from 1 to 2.
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P160T] 3 @ 0.1755816 = 0.5267 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P160T] 2 @ 0.17513865 = 0.3503 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P160T] 1 @ 0.17510239 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2532 @ 0.00065401 = 1.656 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 350 @ 0.00065316 = 0.2286 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20673 @ 0.00065315 = 13.5026 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6356 @ 0.00065303 = 4.1507 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.00065297 = 2.2201 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8900 @ 0.00065261 = 5.8082 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00745 = 7.45 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10566 @ 0.00065107 = 6.8792 BTC [-]
gribble: smickles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 8 hours, 32 minutes, and 35 seconds ago: <smickles> mod6: might just be my neighborhood
gribble: mod6 was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 7 hours, 52 minutes, and 16 seconds ago: <mod6> well, i suppose i better try to finish up that aws stuff. i'll bbs :)
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 100 @ 0.0087 = 0.87 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 17.70005, Best ask: 17.70404, Bid-ask spread: 0.00399, Last trade: 17.70000, 24 hour volume: 32922.39363327, 24 hour low: 16.80000, 24 hour high: 17.99999, 24 hour vwap: 17.45621
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 100 @ 0.0088 = 0.88 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C180T] 1 @ 0.21048121 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P160T] 1 @ 0.17271225 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 27 @ 0.0089 = 0.2403 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1400 @ 0.00745 = 10.43 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C180T] 1 @ 0.2195444 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P160T] 1 @ 0.18446008 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P160T] 1 @ 0.17267589 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C180T] 1 @ 0.21039942 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11936 @ 0.00065131 = 7.774 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15834 @ 0.00065107 = 10.309 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34900 @ 0.00065076 = 22.7115 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8784 @ 0.00065009 = 5.7104 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P160T] 1 @ 0.17263946 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P160T] 1 @ 0.18578383 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C180T] 1 @ 0.21057661 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P160T] 1 @ 0.17228919 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5003 @ 0.00065131 = 3.2585 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12197 @ 0.0006601 = 8.0512 BTC [+]
jurov: Greets from unsystem
jurov: quite a mess, 100ppl in small room
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10420 @ 0.0006601 = 6.8782 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12454 @ 0.00066096 = 8.2316 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 350 @ 0.00066435 = 0.2325 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 224 @ 0.00066436 = 0.1488 BTC [+]
jurov: frank braun dude talking about red pill with covered mouth
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1600 @ 0.00745 = 11.92 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P160T] 1 @ 0.17132517 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: the reason stocks go up at the end of the month is because of dividends
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 218 @ 0.00745 = 1.6241 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C180T] 1 @ 0.21131361 BTC [+]
assbot: The eagle never lost so much time as when he submitted to learn from the crow.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 17.86000, Best ask: 17.86999, Bid-ask spread: 0.00999, Last trade: 17.86000, 24 hour volume: 34294.32645943, 24 hour low: 16.80000, 24 hour high: 17.99999, 24 hour vwap: 17.48678
Diablo-D3: jesus christ we're going back up again
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00065009 / 0.00067014 / 0.0006941 (2679116 shares, 1,795.39 BTC), 7D: 0.00059445 / 0.00065507 / 0.0007 (24905979 shares, 16,315.34 BTC), 30D: 0.00059445 / 0.00065322 / 0.0007 (54291563 shares, 35,464.78 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P160T] 1 @ 0.17097757 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C180T] 1 @ 0.21152998 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C170T] 3 @ 0.23838039 = 0.7151 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P160T] 3 @ 0.17097757 = 0.5129 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C170T] 1 @ 0.23509237 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 17.69753, Best ask: 17.70000, Bid-ask spread: 0.00247, Last trade: 17.70000, 24 hour volume: 34557.18061017, 24 hour low: 16.83255, 24 hour high: 17.99999, 24 hour vwap: 17.49307
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 17.68501, Best ask: 17.70000, Bid-ask spread: 0.01499, Last trade: 17.70000, 24 hour volume: 34594.12117077, 24 hour low: 16.83255, 24 hour high: 17.99999, 24 hour vwap: 17.49381
FabianB: jurov: you're just attending or also presenting coinbr?
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P160T] 3 @ 0.17094214 = 0.5128 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 12 @ 0.0097 = 0.1164 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C180T] 1 @ 0.21149215 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C170T] 1 @ 0.23939225 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P160T] 3 @ 0.17090276 = 0.5127 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C170T] 1 @ 0.2392789 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C180T] 1 @ 0.21107001 BTC [-]
jurov: I'm presenting. Dunno when,it's quite a mess.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17500 @ 0.00066436 = 11.6263 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P160T] 3 @ 0.17086708 = 0.5126 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C170T] 1 @ 0.2392789 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C180T] 1 @ 0.21107001 BTC [-]
smickles: < mod6> smickles: have you been up to flagstaff yet? << I've visited there years ago, but not since I moved out here.
smickles: < jurov> smickles, mpex.py -l - DISABLES logging. read teh help... << I know, but I suspected the syntax error came from the logger at the time.
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C170T] 1 @ 0.2392789 BTC [-]
smickles: < mircea_popescu> that your bot smickles ? << could be
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P160T] 3 @ 0.1916273 = 0.5749 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 365 @ 0.00742893 = 2.7116 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P160T] 3 @ 0.1708275 = 0.5125 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C170T] 1 @ 0.2392789 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C180T] 1 @ 0.21107001 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14150 @ 0.00065333 = 9.2446 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1550 @ 0.00065089 = 1.0089 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P160T] 3 @ 0.17017824 = 0.5105 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: someone sent me an email which literalyl reads "gpg --armor --output pubkey.txt -- export <their name>"
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C170T] 1 @ 0.2392789 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C180T] 1 @ 0.21107001 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: i mean... the people sending the key and then being shocked and appaled that yes there's a reg fee i get daily nowadays and am starting to get used to.
evoorhees: mircea - how many mpex account holders are there?
smickles: lol, mircea_popescu, what did that person think would happen?
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P160T] 3 @ 0.17044449 = 0.5113 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C170T] 1 @ 0.2392789 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9276 @ 0.00066436 = 6.1626 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10434 @ 0.00066537 = 6.9425 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C170T] 1 @ 0.2392789 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P160T] 3 @ 0.19310956 = 0.5793 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C180T] 1 @ 0.21107001 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P160T] 3 @ 0.17040888 = 0.5112 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C170T] 1 @ 0.2392789 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C180T] 1 @ 0.21150956 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13966 @ 0.00066537 = 9.2926 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6660 @ 0.00066743 = 4.4451 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 639 @ 0.00066836 = 0.4271 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11285 @ 0.00066858 = 7.5449 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P160T] 3 @ 0.17036906 = 0.5111 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C170T] 1 @ 0.23978863 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.00066858 = 5.4824 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6900 @ 0.00066858 = 4.6132 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P160T] 3 @ 0.17033275 = 0.511 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C170T] 3 @ 0.23931001 = 0.7179 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C180T] 1 @ 0.21104493 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C190T] 3 @ 0.1881489 = 0.5644 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P160T] 3 @ 0.17029694 = 0.5109 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C170T] 3 @ 0.23931001 = 0.7179 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P170T] 2 @ 0.20621262 = 0.4124 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C180T] 3 @ 0.21104493 = 0.6331 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C190T] 3 @ 0.1881489 = 0.5644 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P160T] 3 @ 0.16995044 = 0.5099 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C170T] 3 @ 0.23931001 = 0.7179 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P170T] 3 @ 0.20579993 = 0.6174 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C180T] 3 @ 0.21104493 = 0.6331 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P180T] 2 @ 0.24718085 = 0.4944 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P160T] 3 @ 0.16991446 = 0.5097 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C170T] 3 @ 0.23931001 = 0.7179 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P170T] 3 @ 0.20576257 = 0.6173 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: i don't get this tho, why get 3 on this tick and 3 on the next tick
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C180T] 3 @ 0.21104493 = 0.6331 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P180T] 1 @ 0.2471424 BTC [-]
smickles: the amount is calculated from a few inputs, it starts out as max(int(((mpexbtc / range_) / 2) / SATOSHI), 1) and is lowered by some other variables
smickles: so those other variables are limiting the amount, and as these options are bought the limiting factors are raised a little
smickles: and they're hard limits that I can't do much about right now
mircea_popescu: but listen. what has materially changed from a tick to the next to make another increment worth buying, when it wasn't before ?
smickles: heh, how much usd I know I have
mircea_popescu: just... from a very fundamental perspective it seems amiss.
smickles: but listen, the thing isn't optimized, there's room for improvement in many areas and I know it
smickles: right now, it's easisist for me to take this 'one small step at a time' approach
mircea_popescu: im not saying it's evil or anything, just thowing 2cents.
smickles: oh don't get me wrong, it's a good 2 cents, and I knew it before you said it
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P160T] 3 @ 0.1698747 = 0.5096 BTC [-]
smickles: EskimoBob: I should be able to answer a simple accounting question :)
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C170T] 3 @ 0.23931001 = 0.7179 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P170T] 3 @ 0.2057213 = 0.6172 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17600 @ 0.0006649 = 11.7022 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C180T] 2 @ 0.21104493 = 0.4221 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P180T] 2 @ 0.24709992 = 0.4942 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P160T] 3 @ 0.16984047 = 0.5095 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C170T] 3 @ 0.23931001 = 0.7179 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P170T] 1 @ 0.20568576 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.00065132 = 2.2145 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7350 @ 0.00065132 = 4.7872 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5523 @ 0.00065089 = 3.5949 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 370 @ 0.0006501 = 0.2405 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10257 @ 0.00065009 = 6.668 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23500 @ 0.00065445 = 15.3796 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 5 @ 0.3 = 1.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 15 @ 0.3 = 4.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.3 = 0.6 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17204 @ 0.00065627 = 11.2905 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11956 @ 0.000651 = 7.7834 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22800 @ 0.00064714 = 14.7548 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1950 @ 0.00064 = 1.248 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24700 @ 0.00064 = 15.808 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7770 @ 0.00064 = 4.9728 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19150 @ 0.00063948 = 12.246 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13080 @ 0.00063915 = 8.3601 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23250 @ 0.00065009 = 15.1146 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 13 @ 0.13 = 1.69 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 300 @ 0.00726989 = 2.181 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13324 @ 0.00065009 = 8.6618 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5800 @ 0.00063915 = 3.7071 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 10 @ 0.3399 = 3.399 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30129 @ 0.0006443 = 19.4121 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3421 @ 0.00063915 = 2.1865 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1632 @ 0.00726989 = 11.8645 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4408 @ 0.00064847 = 2.8585 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 292 @ 0.00063932 = 0.1867 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17851 @ 0.00063932 = 11.4125 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 17 @ 0.3399 = 5.7783 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 3 @ 0.34 = 1.02 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10866 @ 0.00065009 = 7.0639 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1534 @ 0.00065787 = 1.0092 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8807 @ 0.00063932 = 5.6305 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1393 @ 0.00063915 = 0.8903 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1207 @ 0.00728138 = 8.7886 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12600 @ 0.00063915 = 8.0533 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19366 @ 0.00065787 = 12.7403 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19000 @ 0.00065822 = 12.5062 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1834 @ 0.00065823 = 1.2072 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 17.92002, Best ask: 17.95000, Bid-ask spread: 0.02998, Last trade: 17.92001, 24 hour volume: 24197.67894909, 24 hour low: 17.21000, 24 hour high: 18.00000, 24 hour vwap: 17.77575
smickles: ah finally, proper accounting for soebot
smickles: i have income statements, balance sheets, cash flow, equity, the works
mircea_popescu: have some examples. i bet you 90% of the people who are or are considering issuing "an asset" have never seen a set of gaap statements
mircea_popescu: and since pretty much everyone is a 20something male geek, they learn by example rather than by description.
smickles: heh, i used gnucash for this. it makes proper gaap statements as far as i can tell
mircea_popescu: did they eventually resolve the debate of what btc should be called ?
smickles: i don't think so, i had to use XXX
assbot: Aren't those tins of tobacco right there behind you?
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00722182 / 0.007425 / 0.00749999 (112051 shares, 831.98 BTC), 7D: 0.00085848 / 0.00522291 / 0.0075 (1190995 shares, 6,220.47 BTC), 30D: 0.00085848 / 0.00427442 / 0.0075 (10554315 shares, 45,113.65 BTC)
Anduck: fu assbot u know what i meant
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14850 @ 0.00064792 = 9.6216 BTC [-]
assbot: the ass is dead, long live the ass!
azx: lol, I almost clicked that link
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1907 @ 0.0073551 = 14.0262 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 450 @ 0.00745535 = 3.3549 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 17643 @ 0.00749999 = 132.3223 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20453 @ 0.00063915 = 13.0725 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7147 @ 0.00063885 = 4.5659 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1423 @ 0.00737302 = 10.4918 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7950 @ 0.00064313 = 5.1129 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4350 @ 0.00064313 = 2.7976 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8893 @ 0.0006401 = 5.6924 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14853 @ 0.00063885 = 9.4888 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13804 @ 0.00063857 = 8.8148 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8096 @ 0.00063857 = 5.1699 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23317 @ 0.00063839 = 14.8853 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1800 @ 0.00749999 = 13.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14850 @ 0.00064427 = 9.5674 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4200 @ 0.00064427 = 2.7059 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8000 @ 0.00065228 = 5.2182 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6283 @ 0.00063839 = 4.011 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1767 @ 0.00063831 = 1.1279 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12526 @ 0.00065254 = 8.1737 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4074 @ 0.00065823 = 2.6816 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18109 @ 0.00064378 = 11.6582 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1091 @ 0.00065823 = 0.7181 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14283 @ 0.00063831 = 9.117 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 680 @ 0.00063725 = 0.4333 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21466 @ 0.00065182 = 13.992 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 1 @ 0.82 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.34 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 1 @ 0.71 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 20 @ 0.7003 = 14.006 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 20 @ 0.7002 = 14.004 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 9 @ 0.7 = 6.3 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6139 @ 0.00065823 = 4.0409 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2911 @ 0.00065999 = 1.9212 BTC [+]
jurov: "As we move forward into a world ever-filling with computers and networks, the success of Bitcoin, much like the Internet itself, liset in the actions of the people who will continue to use it and promote it and to fight on its behalf in doing so. They may take our lives, but they can never take our Bitcoin."
jurov: ^^ bitcoin tabloid #6, page 57
jurov: lmao yes mikhail alisie boasted they put it on the table next to cosmopolitan and circlejerk ensued "yeah, it feels similar"
jurov: had to scan it in. definitely cosmopolitan material
jurov: i misspelled his name?
jurov: you want *that* drivel scanned?
jurov: but it's like 3 pages :/
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.0074 BTC [-]
jurov: nuff fun. back to work.
kakobrekla: would be funny if i couldnt catch up to it.
assbot: [BTCTC] [LTC-MINING] 1 @ 0.49 BTC [+]
jurov: uh, postgres? i like it, but i'd rather use that opportunity to dive into knuth and other less known data structures
jurov: or just use files on reiser4 :D
jurov: but i'm serious with the reiser4 . i heard some were using it to store deserialized xml, myself was taken aback how fast it accesses gentoo portage compared to anything else
jurov: so sad reiser was such a maniac otherwise
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1419 @ 0.00065999 = 0.9365 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1781 @ 0.00066028 = 1.176 BTC [+]
DeadWeasel: never knew that existed. is there a history for price and number of purchases?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9050 @ 0.00065746 = 5.95 BTC [-]
DeadWeasel: what an odd idea. never know when the next buyer is going to arrive though.
jurov: they heard mircea wondering what to do of these 7kbtc he suddenly got on thursday
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 2 @ 0.0099 = 0.0198 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: its very difficult to get your bid in before someone else bids.
azx: jurov: reiser4 is super when you have loads of tiny files in huge piles
jurov: azx, i know. and many storage problems can be implemented in that way.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 18.12000, Best ask: 18.25000, Bid-ask spread: 0.13000, Last trade: 18.25000, 24 hour volume: 31140.10147696, 24 hour low: 17.45000, 24 hour high: 18.25000, 24 hour vwap: 17.92591
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6500 @ 0.00066029 = 4.2919 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00722786 / 0.00744254 / 0.00749999 (122574 shares, 912.26 BTC), 7D: 0.00085848 / 0.00526603 / 0.0075 (1205508 shares, 6,348.25 BTC), 30D: 0.00085848 / 0.0042815 / 0.0075 (10577036 shares, 45,285.60 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2267 @ 0.00066029 = 1.4969 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8050 @ 0.00066127 = 5.3232 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17450 @ 0.00066411 = 11.5887 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1650 @ 0.000665 = 1.0973 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 550 @ 0.00743189 = 4.0875 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 4450 @ 0.00745017 = 33.1533 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 50 @ 0.8 = 40 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27050 @ 0.0006627 = 17.926 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6158 @ 0.000665 = 4.0951 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK:SDICE] 1D: 0.79900000 / 0.8 / 0.81000000 (69 shares, 55.20000000 BTC), 7D: 0.44000000 / 0.60774289 / 0.81000000 (1369 shares, 832.00001806 BTC), 30D: 0.37000000 / 0.49998681 / 0.81000000 (5268 shares, 2633.93051794 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2000 @ 0.00745016 = 14.9003 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.00745017 = 3.7251 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2393 @ 0.00066355 = 1.5879 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00722786 / 0.00744277 / 0.00749999 (127674 shares, 950.25 BTC), 7D: 0.00085848 / 0.00527973 / 0.0075 (1204612 shares, 6,360.04 BTC), 30D: 0.00085848 / 0.00428374 / 0.0075 (10584536 shares, 45,341.47 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57 @ 0.00066355 = 0.0378 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4775 @ 0.0006627 = 3.1644 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 18.22130, Best ask: 18.22401, Bid-ask spread: 0.00271, Last trade: 18.22130, 24 hour volume: 32164.29648754, 24 hour low: 17.60000, 24 hour high: 18.25000, 24 hour vwap: 17.99353
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 280 @ 0.0015 = 0.42 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10250 @ 0.00066025 = 6.7676 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24566 @ 0.00065746 = 16.1512 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31568 @ 0.00065746 = 20.7547 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2232 @ 0.00065236 = 1.4561 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9850 @ 0.00065236 = 6.4257 BTC [-]
Korbman: kakobrekla: that article is a bit disconcerning
Korbman: I'd like to think Bitcoin is gaining traction, but not nearly enough to undermine a bank
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2268 @ 0.00066028 = 1.4975 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9700 @ 0.00066159 = 6.4174 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1232 @ 0.00066499 = 0.8193 BTC [+]
jurov: other opinion. quite saner.
jcpham: poking a stick at the gubment
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 18.23500, Best ask: 18.29800, Bid-ask spread: 0.06300, Last trade: 18.23500, 24 hour volume: 32801.03890254, 24 hour low: 17.60000, 24 hour high: 18.29800, 24 hour vwap: 18.01947
Bugpowder: are we going to seriously challenge $20 again
gribble: There are currently 37282.992 bitcoins offered at or under 20.0 USD, worth 710857.914524 USD in total.
gribble: There are currently 17502.231 bitcoins demanded at or over 17.0 USD, worth 305581.921765 USD in total.
gribble: There are currently 1048.9977 bitcoins demanded at or over 18.0 USD, worth 18980.1324954 USD in total.
Bugpowder: I am feeling better about drunken purchse of 4,000 calls on Sat night at the ask.
Bugpowder: and the bot hasn't yet caught up to the rise in price.
Bugpowder: just keep them up just under mope bot
Bugpowder: someone will probably buy them eventually
Bugpowder: Over 100k bet on S.DICE since the last doog post
Bugpowder: 1 million in bets might be in play this month
awkorama: does anyone know whether there is a full credit market somewhere in bitcoin ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24700 @ 0.00065395 = 16.1526 BTC [-]
jurov: awkorama, hello, what do you mean?
awkorama: some exchange, where I can trade credit derivatives
awkorama: mainly credit default swaps that is
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00722786 / 0.0074427 / 0.00749999 (125491 shares, 933.99 BTC), 7D: 0.00085848 / 0.00528 / 0.0075 (1201012 shares, 6,341.35 BTC), 30D: 0.00085848 / 0.00428374 / 0.0075 (10584536 shares, 45,341.47 BTC)
jurov: dunno.. and bitcoin defaulted loans are usually worthless
awkorama: well they wouldn't be if there was protection to buy
DeadWeasel: sounds like a business opportunity for you awkorama
jurov: i mean, it's impossible to price such a thing reasonably.. but if you can yes it's opportunity
awkorama: demand and supply is enough for pricing I suppose
awkorama: and I don't know what the difference would be, trading CDS's on public corporation (e.g. IBM) or on S.DICE.. same thing really
DeadWeasel: i loathe things I don't understand. Credit Default Swaps are one of those things (there are many).
awkorama: DeadWeasel: do you understand shorting ?
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 18.42990, Best ask: 18.44997, Bid-ask spread: 0.02007, Last trade: 18.45000, 24 hour volume: 37939.91168858, 24 hour low: 17.60000, 24 hour high: 18.45000, 24 hour vwap: 18.06613
Bugpowder: counterparty risk in bitcoin world is astronomical
Bugpowder: people have made reinsurance and default insurance funds
Bugpowder: or so ineptly run so as to approximate scams (usagi for example)
awkorama: i understand that otc cds market would not work, that's why exchange + clearing house that is (more trusted) is required
awkorama: that would escro the collateral
DeadWeasel: thx for link. figured it would be more complicated.
awkorama: sorry, what does that idiom mean?
DeadWeasel: after checking the wiki, it is not an apt metaphor.
jurov: awkorama, actually do you see any two parties atm where cds would work?
jurov: i mean in bitcoinland
awkorama: somebody wanting to short s.dice
awkorama: vs. someone trying to invest in it indirectly
jurov: smickles already offers s.dice for shorting
jurov: now if he wanted to use cds to insure the loan, how would he go about it?
awkorama: in the event of default (determined by the exchange on objective conditions) he would receive the principal
jurov: yes. but how would you price the cds (if you were selling them)? that would be insane
awkorama: mainly using the interest rate + research on the reference entity
jurov: in a situation like... on btcjam is only some 78% loans paid. and they ask personal info to eventually recover these loans later
jurov: we don't have much personal info between us
awkorama: well then that protection would be bloody expensive
awkorama: because the loan itself is risky
jurov: mircea already did experiment with CDOs, and it didn't go well exactly cause of this
awkorama: 78% is a bad overall rate, I give you that
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17429 @ 0.00065149 = 11.3548 BTC [-]
awkorama: but in theory CDS's should help here, cause they generally increase liquidity of debt
jurov: one can't just transplant real life financials here, just reinvent them. I think MPOE was so successful cause it is basically short-term. It loans every month anew.
awkorama: meaning, if I lend someone 100BTC today and tommorow I don't feel like having such big exposure to him anymore, I can just insure some part of that debt
jurov: the mpoe contract is clear and for the issuer has incentive to stick to it
awkorama: how do these options btw work on MPEx, is the seller required to pay collateral (since he has potential unlimited loss) ?
Bugpowder: btc = $0, who cares about being down Inf bitcoins
jurov: that is not exactly explained in the faq
Bugpowder: the collateral reqs on the SPLIT order are a bit harsh. I think you should get 100 of each side for 100BTC, cause if one side goes to max, the other side is a zero.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2500 @ 0.00065395 = 1.6349 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7700 @ 0.00066499 = 5.1204 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: "Each CALL requires 1 BTC of collateral irrespective of strike. Each PUT requires an amount of collateral equal to strike / spot BTC ."
jurov: i mean the reasoning behind that isn't there
Bugpowder: lim of (x-s)/x as x -> Inf is pretty clear
Bugpowder: why u don't need Inf colateral for the puts is not explained
Bugpowder: nor is the puts equation correct in the faq it seems
Bugpowder: I always get less puts then I think I'm gonna get
jurov: i think cause btc can go 50% up and then 50% down in one month
jurov: oh and there's a mention of Mircea Popescu
jurov: they cite your article "The Reason Why Bitcoin Securities Can't be regulated by the SEC"
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 18.30000, Best ask: 18.42591, Bid-ask spread: 0.12591, Last trade: 18.30000, 24 hour volume: 39943.63867461, 24 hour low: 17.61001, 24 hour high: 18.45000, 24 hour vwap: 18.09211
mircea_popescu: <awkorama> some exchange, where I can trade credit derivatives << explain.
awkorama: mircea_popescu: I already kind of did, is there anything that you don't understand from the conversation that followed my initial question ?
mircea_popescu: i don't see that any of that pertains to credit derivatives tho.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17300 @ 0.00065149 = 11.2708 BTC [-]
jurov: it's in Bitcoin and the Law article, btcmag #6, not signed
awkorama: by credit derivatives I mainly meant various CDS contracts, I am not really interested in CDO's or CDO^2's
awkorama: well you can have CDS on equity as well
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11068 @ 0.00066499 = 7.3601 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14192 @ 0.000665 = 9.4377 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2250 @ 0.00066582 = 1.4981 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9683 @ 0.00066591 = 6.448 BTC [+]
awkorama: because what I feel strongly in the bitcoin world is that it is hard to trust anyone, so spreading the risk is the next logical step
Bugpowder_: it was fun exiting each tranche before it exploded
Ukto: i cant post asks for more shares than I have
Bugpowder_: So I am curious. What is the rationale for having the collateral requirements so high for split orders. Since one side is a zero if the other side goes up, shouldn't a reasonable deposit for 50 calls and ~50 puts be 50BTC instead of 100BTC?
mircea_popescu: Ukto that sounds like the very definition of "they allow naked shorting"
Ukto: i ment to say yes earlier
Ukto: not sure wtf i was typing
Bugpowder_: to prevent catastropic loss from a spike than crash?
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder_ something like that. you're thinking "momentarily one is zero" this is true, but whiplash could make someone lose on both ends
Bugpowder_: I guess I just wish it wouldn't charge me for the deposit until the created contracts sold.
jurov: not exactly nice to read, they seem to used anti-OCR background :P
Bugpowder_: well I tried to withdraw 100BTC from MPEX on Saturday to buy the gem, but never got my withdrawl
Bugpowder_: maybe I placed some buy orders after that
jurov: it looks much better... but the halftoning clashes with my scanner
jurov: Reproduction without writtenm permission is strictly prohibited.
Bugpowder_: seriously, what did the website owner THINK was gonna happen with the gem
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder_ its one of two things : either a scam to sell a worthless site to some dumbass "investor" (which is what i suspect, he;'s been buying his own gem)
Bugpowder: everything about the bitcoin world suggests that the price would rapidly go to 1000BTC+
mircea_popescu: or else what the forum says, ie, he's passing the buck and then new owner dissapears, a la tom's azns
Bugpowder: Starting to look a lot like last thursday
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 15 @ 0.3351 = 5.0265 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 10 @ 0.333 = 3.33 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 18.32401, Best ask: 18.39988, Bid-ask spread: 0.07587, Last trade: 18.32401, 24 hour volume: 40611.11390206, 24 hour low: 17.67720, 24 hour high: 18.45000, 24 hour vwap: 18.10523
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20500 @ 0.00065149 = 13.3555 BTC [-]
JWU_42: <+amphipod> Jan28 19:17:19 mtgox x194 4,003.9372 @ 18.49732098 USD
mircea_popescu: JWU_42 i dunno how to read that, is it 4k btc in 194 diff orders ?
JWU_42: well - 194 different asks IIRC
gribble: Error: "ask" is not a valid command.
gribble: There are currently 28609.726 bitcoins offered at or under 20.0 USD, worth 551692.514158 USD in total.
Bugpowder_: that is down from over 40,000 a few hours ago
gribble: There are currently 11455.979 bitcoins offered at or under 19.0 USD, worth 215539.007546 USD in total.
mircea_popescu: jurov i wonder if i get a complimentary mag since i'm being quited in it :D
mircea_popescu: “I think the ECB obviously is concerned, and it’s not reputational,” said Steve Hanke, a professor at Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore
mircea_popescu: what the fuck does that mean and when did they start doing the whole university thing in baltimore.
mircea_popescu: the curse of bitcoin : it can't get any coverage unless it's either a) completely clueless or else b) incredibly fanboish
mircea_popescu: it seems there can't be someone who gets it and doesn't care.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11600 @ 0.00065424 = 7.5892 BTC [+]
Bowjob: Whoa. 3 new dice winners
Bowjob: I mean on the leaderboards
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1500 @ 0.0074 = 11.1 BTC [-]
jurov: would the SPLIT on O.BTCUSD.P160T for 2BTC make 1 put option or none?
jurov: what's the formula?
jurov: bugpowder has just complained bout it, too
jurov: strike/current would be 16/18 , that means collateral below 1BTC?
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 18.50501, Best ask: 18.60708, Bid-ask spread: 0.10207, Last trade: 18.50501, 24 hour volume: 47219.24403078, 24 hour low: 17.67720, 24 hour high: 18.63895, 24 hour vwap: 18.16932
Ukto: its been over a decade since i dod stock market stuffs.. if i have $10k in an eTrade account or w/e, and and put up a bid for a total of $10k on something that sits on the books, I can't just place another bid p to $10k for another asset, right?
pigeons: they copied the way bitfunder does it
Ukto: you mean, Bitfunder does it the "normal" way
mircea_popescu: Ukto it's been debated in the forum numerous times. people who know better figure "it helps liquidity"
dub: dun worri, glbse 3 will have it
Ukto: on btct, I can fill my account with 100btc, put up to 100btc orders on each asset, and withdraw the 100btc
Ukto: and then its a complete, lie
mircea_popescu: dub speaking of which, what's happening to nefario's comeback thing ?
dub: not heard anything about it
Ukto: Regardless of 'pumping the numbers', i think traders have a right to knwo that a bid is actually backed, and not just a fake number on the books.
Ukto: I just cant bring myself to knowingly allow lies and inaccuracy on my system.
Ukto: I will be letting Deprived know that it just wont be happening.
gribble: Time since last block: 33 minutes and 12 seconds
mircea_popescu: on btct, I can fill my account with 100btc, put up to 100btc orders on each asset, and withdraw the 100btc << this is pretty rich tho
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1600 @ 0.00065424 = 1.0468 BTC [+]
dub: someone should rinse/repeat that and make a trillion btc wall
Ukto: dub: you coudl do it with muliple accounts
Ukto: tho that would be obvious and burnside would prolly ban you for it. at least.. those accounts
jurov: or just match orders on one popular asset and closely watch the orderbook of others
dub: that dude is retarded
mircea_popescu: he has a point, we really ought to discourage that sort of shit
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18880 @ 0.00065424 = 12.3521 BTC [+]
DeadWeasel: If you had gold, what would you do with it?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 770 @ 0.00065424 = 0.5038 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9351 @ 0.00065534 = 6.1281 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2779 @ 0.00066591 = 1.8506 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C180T] 5 @ 0.22362465 = 1.1181 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 18.70001, Best ask: 18.74988, Bid-ask spread: 0.04987, Last trade: 18.70001, 24 hour volume: 51140.36456515, 24 hour low: 17.67720, 24 hour high: 18.75000, 24 hour vwap: 18.22004
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C190T] 10 @ 0.19810428 = 1.981 BTC [+]
DeadWeasel: but it's in another state in a deposit box dammit
mircea_popescu: "Chart Of The Day: Is The ECB Responsible For The Second Coming Of BitCoin? | Zero Hedge:
Korbman: Anybody find it odd that Avalon has sort of..disappeared? Website and all..
mircea_popescu: here's bitcoin. let us try and pin some irrelevant fiat idiocy to it because it's not possible for fiat to be irrelevant
Korbman: mircea_popescu: haha yeah, I figured as much
dub: inb4 chinese new year relic collector
mircea_popescu: this bet. still not resolved. specifically for that reason.
Diablo-D3: and then I wont share the photos because Ill be too busy being rich
dub: take pic in front of your DC with windmills in the background
smickles: < Bugpowder> I always get less puts then I think I'm gonna get< that's b/c there is a volatility secret sauce in the calc
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00722786 / 0.0074427 / 0.00749999 (125491 shares, 933.99 BTC), 7D: 0.00085848 / 0.0052797 / 0.0075 (1193791 shares, 6,302.87 BTC), 30D: 0.00085848 / 0.00428374 / 0.0075 (10584536 shares, 45,341.47 BTC)
mircea_popescu: 150% monthly gains. this is the stuff legends are made out of.
mircea_popescu: the 10k btc pizza and the 150% a month s.dice investment.
smickles: if it was on large volume, it'd sound like the beginning of the rothschilds
smickles: really? something like 400 million dollars?
smickles: if i recally the story of nathan r. correctly
mircea_popescu: large as in "large number of blowjobs" not as in "large number of private jets"
smickles: I do prefer to think in terms of % anyway
smickles: heh, i'm up 2500% since june 2011
gribble: There are currently 25617.646 bitcoins offered at or under 20.0 USD, worth 496507.979567 USD in total.
gribble: There are currently 32872.269 bitcoins offered at or under 22.0 USD, worth 648012.998936 USD in total.
assbot: [HAVELOCK:SDICE] 1D: 0.80000000 / 0.80016949 / 0.81000000 (59 shares, 47.21000000 BTC), 7D: 0.44000000 / 0.61008278 / 0.81000000 (1329 shares, 810.80001806 BTC), 30D: 0.37000000 / 0.49998681 / 0.81000000 (5268 shares, 2633.93051794 BTC)
assbot: Hell, ain't we about more fucked than a whore at closin' time, huh?
assbot: You had the last Philistine. This one's mine.
dub: that johnniewalker video is wtf
assbot: [BTCT:GSDPT] 1D: 0.0072 / 0.0074 / 0.0075 (2385 shares, 17.6 BTC), 7D: 0.0046 / 0.01 / 0.0075 (16823 shares, 106.4 BTC), 30D: 0.0042 / 0.01 / 0.0075 (27927 shares, 159.5 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2850 @ 0.00065149 = 1.8567 BTC [-]
assbot: Have you got any tobacco?
assbot: Aren't those tins of tobacco right there behind you?
assbot: !ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO)
jurov: sry, Ukto had to code MPBPT stuff like deissuing shares/freezing assets
jurov: when he finishes "nuke the asset" button i'll release him
jurov: i suspect i'm quite a headache for him with that monthly revolving
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 2 @ 0.0261 = 0.0522 BTC [+]
gribble: There are currently 7831.5312 bitcoins offered at or under 19.0 USD, worth 148281.124239 USD in total.
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 8 @ 0.0099 = 0.0792 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1249 @ 0.007395 = 9.2364 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 18.75212, Best ask: 18.79998, Bid-ask spread: 0.04786, Last trade: 18.75215, 24 hour volume: 52294.18354101, 24 hour low: 17.75000, 24 hour high: 18.80000, 24 hour vwap: 18.25176
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20039 @ 0.00066591 = 13.3442 BTC [+]
jurov: Diablo-D3 since you're getting teh asic, care to buy some X.IDIFF.MAR ?
gribble: There are currently 0 bitcoins offered at or under 18.0 USD, worth 0.0 USD in total.
gribble: There are currently 11782.413 bitcoins demanded at or over 18.0 USD, worth 214619.864681 USD in total.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 642 @ 0.007395 = 4.7476 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 40 @ 0.0074 = 0.296 BTC [-]
gribble: There are currently 11396.816 bitcoins offered at or under 19.2 USD, worth 216605.517169 USD in total.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.0006537 = 0.6537 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11550 @ 0.00065369 = 7.5501 BTC [-]
jurov: another gem: www.btchyip.com 0.30 % daily
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 18.78001, Best ask: 18.81997, Bid-ask spread: 0.03996, Last trade: 18.78001, 24 hour volume: 52827.67385708, 24 hour low: 17.75000, 24 hour high: 18.85000, 24 hour vwap: 18.26568
gribble: There are currently 6900.5812 bitcoins offered at or under 19.0 USD, worth 130674.028466 USD in total.
DeadWeasel_: crap, i left my IRC on at work, I'm not gonna get banned or booted am i?
DeadWeasel_: i have no idea, haven't used IRC in 7 years, just got back in for bitcoin
DeadWeasel_: bitcoin-bots banned me for somereason. only connected once, didn't say anything. weird.
smickles: always a wise choice to rtfm :D
jurov: this btc tabloid is hilarious: "GLBSE went from being a scam-ridden backwater to the home of hundreds of thousands of dollars' worth of investment funds."
jborkl: What does a proper buy order look like?
Bugpowder_: just make sure you dont swap the positions of # of shares and price of shares...
jurov: jborkl, if you use pympex, -h shows an example ,too. with proper quotes.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 5900 @ 0.007395 = 43.6305 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 18.80999, Best ask: 18.81000, Bid-ask spread: 0.00001, Last trade: 18.80999, 24 hour volume: 53584.25565676, 24 hour low: 17.75000, 24 hour high: 18.85000, 24 hour vwap: 18.27732
jurov: 32 would be ok. cause bitbet :P
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6970 @ 0.00065766 = 4.5839 BTC [+]
Bugpowder_: I would be ok with 37, because Tesla model S
Bugpowder_: There has not been a single big dump in this rally
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 4000 @ 0.00139 = 5.56 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3719 @ 0.00065766 = 2.4458 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11650 @ 0.00065393 = 7.6183 BTC [-]
Bugpowder_: I bought like 5 pounds of coffee off him
assbot: [MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0.001139 / 0.00123697 / 0.0015 (11280 shares, 13.95 BTC), 7D: 0.00100006 / 0.00116432 / 0.0015 (44010 shares, 51.24 BTC), 30D: 0.000337 / 0.00079135 / 0.0035 (2311563 shares, 1,829.26 BTC)
dub: my t, v, c, h and possibly other keys don't work in outlook
gribble: There are currently 6540.5084 bitcoins offered at or under 19.0 USD, worth 123910.430553 USD in total.
gribble: There are currently 23987.436 bitcoins offered at or under 20.0 USD, worth 465955.615851 USD in total.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 200 @ 0.00737304 = 1.4746 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 750 @ 0.00737303 = 5.5298 BTC [-]
gribble: There are currently 29960.301 bitcoins demanded at or over 17.0 USD, worth 531395.791806 USD in total.
DeadWeasel_: we used to worry about lag because of headshots. now it's sniping for $$$. long live Quake.
gribble: There are currently 53877.097 bitcoins offered at or under 37.0 USD, worth 1290692.2985 USD in total.
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 168 @ 0.0261 = 4.3848 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 100 @ 0.026 = 2.6 BTC [-]
Bugpowder_: I like to see that as the number of asks go down, the number of bids > 18 keeps going up. Organic bidding rather than impatient bidwalls
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 18.86001, Best ask: 18.87054, Bid-ask spread: 0.01053, Last trade: 18.87054, 24 hour volume: 55495.39610726, 24 hour low: 17.75000, 24 hour high: 18.88000, 24 hour vwap: 18.30617
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 72 @ 0.0089 = 0.6408 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 40 @ 0.009 = 0.36 BTC [+]
DeadWeasel_: how many of you are self-taught traders? you know, without an education in finance, etc?
Bugpowder_: I think losing money trading is the best education for finance.
mircea_popescu: "value of engineer tracks total value of broken equipment"
mircea_popescu: btw Bugpowder_ saw quite a scene today sitting in the cab waiting for girls to drag in the shopping
mircea_popescu: tabby cat running down the street chased by bigger black cat
mircea_popescu: which caught up with it, went on top of it and snapped it's neck
mircea_popescu: that dude was like a fucking assasin, took like .3 seconds flat to do it too
mircea_popescu: better not be hittin' on that cat's bitchez or else he waits on a tree branch above your doorway
DeadWeasel_: so your technology skills are self-taught I assume?
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.0324 BTC [+]
DeadWeasel_: i'm asking these questions, trying to motivate myself to learn to trade some bitcoin assets. i believe in this as crucial piece of the freedom triangle that is humanities future. also, I guess I'm greedy. I want more than I have.
DeadWeasel_: it doesn't seem so, just kinda scary. If I did so, I'd have to wager at least half my savings. as you can guess by the requirements, that is very small.
DeadWeasel_: but I bet on gold, made 2x, selling that, want to go all BTC. all in.
mircea_popescu: DeadWeasel_ why'd you have to wager half your savings ?!
DeadWeasel_: because my saving is awfully small. i've no debt, but not a big cushion either. long story
DeadWeasel_: I am enjoying it. just watching BTC go up and up and up, then way down, then up, the down again, then up alittle. then way up.
smickles: < kakobrekla> i can kick a few so we are under 94. << lol, such a gossip
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 18.75000, Best ask: 18.75960, Bid-ask spread: 0.00960, Last trade: 18.75960, 24 hour volume: 56923.28708903, 24 hour low: 17.75000, 24 hour high: 18.88000, 24 hour vwap: 18.32505
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.007395 = 3.6975 BTC [+]
mod6: 1867 bid @ 18.7 && 1128 asked @ 18.9
mod6: now only 600 @ 18.9
smickles: it's like just reading the name draws a wince out of me
dub: you rounded an mpex deposit?
mod6: i think it may still have some legs...
smickles: i'm considering switching to gnucash from pen and paper, but it only goes to 6 decimals. /me tests using satoshi for everthing
smickles: bah, it forces commas at intervals of 3
mod6: seporators are no matter!
smickles: they bother me when they are there, more than when they arn't
mod6: mpex forced me to learn sat. nat.
mod6: err, satoshi notation
iz: gnucash is pretty good
smickles: lol, i was googling sat. nat.... hopeless
smickles: iz: i've only found issues with securities as liabilities and that it doesn't directly or easily support bitcoin
smickles: for somereason, if i tell it that I have S.DICE on account for THATGUY, it thinks I sold the S.DICE
smickles: mod6: did you learn your sat.nat. with commas every 3 places?
smickles: i didn't, and having them there is annoying
mod6: well, i personally wasn't used to the idea of 2500 sat. as 0.00002500 -- but yeah, i can do without the seperators
mod6: mpex forced me to strictly examine every order's sat value closely
iz: smickles: ah yeah... well, you could get someone to patch it or contrib to it
mod6: but im better for this nao :)
smickles: iz: i think there are patches out there already
smickles: but, it would be easier to stay with my distro's package manager
dub: omg bitcoin broken, panic sell
gribble: There are currently 4983.2012 bitcoins offered at or under 19.0 USD, worth 94441.1376911 USD in total.
smickles: lol, don't use the same random number over and over again
smickles: mircea_popescu: the forced commas are annoying
smickles: 2205644893 is mangled into 2,205,644,893
smickles: 22,0564,4893 would be much nicer
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1900 @ 0.00065393 = 1.2425 BTC [-]
smickles: mircea_popescu: is that not the reason the dev teams always says to use a unique addy for every tx?
mircea_popescu: this is unrelated, the problem is same random number used with diff transactions
kakobrekla: something that normally does not happen
iz: the page says it was a hardware bitcoin wallet
iz: so i assume it was some custom btc client, not the official client
mircea_popescu: afaik the recomendation for ew addy each time is anonimity and some vague "maybe someone cracks the digest"
dub: yes, they're talkign about it in -dev and its come up elsewhere in broken implementations
mircea_popescu: iz it wouldn't surprise me if it were an old client. who knows
dub: <tcatm> lianj: These are from a hardware wallet called bitcoincard(.org) with little entropy.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10138 @ 0.00065393 = 6.6295 BTC [-]
dub: (tcatm is the author)
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.01 BTC [+]
dub: hrmf, this channel used to be cool, edgy and underground
dub: now its all mainstream
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.00065602 = 3.4769 BTC [+]
jcpham: I may have mentioned the channel publicly
iz: mentioned the channel at an indie rock concert you rode your fixie bike to
jcpham: dub let's leave. you go first
dub: yes but only 7 people have read that
mircea_popescu: back when glbse was still going my customers used to read my faq ;/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2500 @ 0.00066274 = 1.6569 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 19.13001, Best ask: 19.19999, Bid-ask spread: 0.06998, Last trade: 19.13001, 24 hour volume: 76946.58851986, 24 hour low: 17.86173, 24 hour high: 19.30000, 24 hour vwap: 18.58421
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 300 @ 0.007395 = 2.2185 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5465 @ 0.00066274 = 3.6219 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2850 @ 0.00066546 = 1.8966 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2400 @ 0.00066572 = 1.5977 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 579 @ 0.00066599 = 0.3856 BTC [+]
topace: hey mircea_popescu, you can ignore my deposit for 112, im dyslexic or need coffee.. it should have been 121 which i did a few seconds later, and sent it properly. :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7150 @ 0.00065556 = 4.6873 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6999 @ 0.00064828 = 4.5373 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 1 @ 0.7101 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 1 @ 0.71 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 41 @ 0.7011 = 28.7451 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 61 @ 0.00728138 = 0.4442 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1955 @ 0.00064828 = 1.2674 BTC [-]
topace: yea havelock sdice passthru hit 0.80
assbot: [HAVELOCK:SDICE] 1D: 0.74000000 / 0.773125 / 0.80000000 (184 shares, 142.25500030 BTC), 7D: 0.44000000 / 0.62780101 / 0.81000000 (1408 shares, 883.94381836 BTC), 30D: 0.37000000 / 0.50651342 / 0.81000000 (5402 shares, 2736.18551824 BTC)
topace: i should go home, its 3.22am
topace: and im still at the office
topace: and i have to be back for a server delivery at 9am
topace: becauase if im not here at 9am, thats when purolator will come
topace: if i am here, they'll be here around 2 in the afternoon
mircea_popescu: you need either a. install a bed or b. chain a girly to the coatrack
topace: soon as i get the mining equipment out of my boardroom, i could sleep on the couch
topace: but that rooms too cold now to sleep there... (the window is open, to keep the mining equipment cool)
topace: and it has a 3200 CFM fan blowing air in :p
topace: cheap cooling in canada in the winter months :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12700 @ 0.0006498 = 8.2525 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12082 @ 0.00064501 = 7.793 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20554 @ 0.00064437 = 13.2444 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4514 @ 0.00064421 = 2.908 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 100 @ 0.00727383 = 0.7274 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 450 @ 0.00725575 = 3.2651 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2550 @ 0.00064989 = 1.6572 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11634 @ 0.00064421 = 7.4947 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 300 @ 0.00722215 = 2.1666 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C160T] 1 @ 0.19941025 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 900 @ 0.00720244 = 6.4822 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P160T] 1 @ 0.08536952 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 250 @ 0.00722215 = 1.8055 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 760 @ 0.0074 = 5.624 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2400 @ 0.00064989 = 1.5597 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22455 @ 0.00064989 = 14.5933 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4953 @ 0.00064989 = 3.2189 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5850 @ 0.00064989 = 3.8019 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9600 @ 0.00064989 = 6.2389 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 100 @ 0.00720244 = 0.7202 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 550 @ 0.00717887 = 3.9484 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 200 @ 0.0071638 = 1.4328 BTC [-]
gribble: There are currently 1957.6893 bitcoins demanded at or over 19.0 USD, worth 37414.8275541 USD in total.
gribble: There are currently 43682.557 bitcoins offered at or under 32.0 USD, worth 1057083.08203 USD in total.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2492 @ 0.00064989 = 1.6195 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6352 @ 0.00065585 = 4.166 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.00066255 = 2.849 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8500 @ 0.00066503 = 5.6528 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 421 @ 0.00066599 = 0.2804 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3051 @ 0.00066703 = 2.0351 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 300 @ 0.00722215 = 2.1666 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 550 @ 0.00714694 = 3.9308 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 19.27520, Best ask: 19.31625, Bid-ask spread: 0.04105, Last trade: 19.35000, 24 hour volume: 82461.46947858, 24 hour low: 17.90100, 24 hour high: 19.78000, 24 hour vwap: 18.75037
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4950 @ 0.00064702 = 3.2027 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 100 @ 0.00722215 = 0.7222 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1289 @ 0.00727383 = 9.376 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 511 @ 0.007395 = 3.7788 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4235 @ 0.00064927 = 2.7497 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1595 @ 0.00064702 = 1.032 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6900 @ 0.00065586 = 4.5254 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00066507 = 2.6603 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1500 @ 0.00064702 = 0.9705 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13627 @ 0.00066541 = 9.0675 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6400 @ 0.00066541 = 4.2586 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 18.77100, Best ask: 18.89974, Bid-ask spread: 0.12874, Last trade: 18.89974, 24 hour volume: 92919.30661248, 24 hour low: 17.90100, 24 hour high: 19.78000, 24 hour vwap: 18.78229
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla i got as far as to where some dood walks in and kills the ho atop him
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu ill pay you 1btc to finish it :)
Bugpowder: it appears some asshole decided to sell 10,000 BTC at 19.75
Bugpowder: MPEX options did not quench this rally
Bugpowder: this one isn't sure what she wants to do.
Bugpowder: also on the 1D chart, it looks like a straight line up
Bugpowder: which my TA skillz says is like totally going to 50
Bugpowder: ponzichart is a little fucked up due to the valuation of these calls
mircea_popescu: that ? isn't that supposed to be a gravestone, ie, end of trend ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2267 @ 0.00064702 = 1.4668 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: assuming midmarket valuation of the calls
Bugpowder: just wait till the price goes to @&
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3800 @ 0.00066541 = 2.5286 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 33 @ 0.03 = 0.99 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8750 @ 0.00065229 = 5.7075 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6238 @ 0.0006509 = 4.0603 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8350 @ 0.0006509 = 5.435 BTC [-]
gribble: There are currently 0 bitcoins demanded at or over 19.0 USD, worth 0.0 USD in total.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 169 @ 0.007395 = 1.2498 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 20 @ 0.0074 = 0.148 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 18.90010, Best ask: 18.98979, Bid-ask spread: 0.08969, Last trade: 18.98979, 24 hour volume: 93620.39733442, 24 hour low: 17.90100, 24 hour high: 19.78000, 24 hour vwap: 18.79166
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9222 @ 0.00064702 = 5.9668 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 18.95000, Best ask: 18.98978, Bid-ask spread: 0.03978, Last trade: 18.95000, 24 hour volume: 92611.87472610, 24 hour low: 17.90100, 24 hour high: 19.78000, 24 hour vwap: 18.79870
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5400 @ 0.00064702 = 3.4939 BTC [-]
jurov: DeadWeasel, i just called ticker. do you have me on ignore? :DDD
DeadWeasel: no sorry, i was registering my nick, text cleared it all off, didn't see it
DeadWeasel: trying to get my IRC feet back under me.
gribble: There are currently 216.72419 bitcoins demanded at or over 19.0 USD, worth 4117.75965731 USD in total.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1800 @ 0.0006509 = 1.1716 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 100 @ 0.027 = 2.7 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66 @ 0.00064702 = 0.0427 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9905 @ 0.00064701 = 6.4086 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 966 @ 0.026 = 25.116 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 14 @ 0.77999999 = 10.92 BTC [-]
gribble: There are currently 708.80583 bitcoins demanded at or over 19.0 USD, worth 13486.4642488 USD in total.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2300 @ 0.00064701 = 1.4881 BTC [-]
topace: avalon really is looking more like a scam isnt it
topace: "yay we shipped! but, you might not get it for a few months, we cant do anything about shipping times"
topace: "now pre-order our next batch before you get the current ones"
topace: i just dont understand WHY they couldnt release a simple video of their units hashing away
topace: well, i do, becuase they dont exist...
topace: i think BFL will deliver in april
kakobrekla: im in contact with 2 different asic devs and none of them has even announced anything, yet i know one was ahead of bfl
mircea_popescu: " Only Bitcoin will allow us to move half a million USD in a few hours into places they are suppose to go to."
topace: "places they are supposed to go" -- aka "into our scam artist pockets before they catch the next plane to south america"
mircea_popescu: "How else did you expect us to produce a functional ASIC unit in the same length of time a competitor has been delayed?"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 976 @ 0.00064701 = 0.6315 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11074 @ 0.00064666 = 7.1611 BTC [-]
azx: if BFL is not delivering, what about those other guys?
mircea_popescu: basic basically admitted they were... lieing about everything.
mircea_popescu: avalon seems pretty much a scam on the strength of this latest move.
azx: let me look up his name. there was a thread how they delivered a ASIC and one gets shipped to BTC foundation and so on
mircea_popescu: i guess there's also the asicminer ppl. tho they're about three weeks late on their revised estimates without a good reason by now/
azx: avalon was a scam too?
azx: I guess anything to do with mining turns out to be a scam sooner or later
mircea_popescu: azx that's what we're discussing. avalon's most recent announcement.
pizzaman1337: mircea_popescu: do you live off of income from your bitcoin activities?
pizzaman1337: what do you do for a living? if you don't mind me asking
gribble: (asks [--over] <pricetarget>) -- Calculate the amount of bitcoins for sale at or under <pricetarget>. If '--over' option is given, find coins or at or over <pricetarget>.
azx: " Avalon need the money before this weekend starts " - lol
gribble: There are currently 9992.735 bitcoins offered at or under 20.0 USD, worth 199300.135435 USD in total.
pizzaman1337: mircea_popescu: I'm guessing you did financial stuff?
gribble: There are currently 18004.054 bitcoins demanded at or over 18.0 USD, worth 331312.635666 USD in total.
dust-otc: mircea_popescu: want to bet that Avalon is a scam?
gribble: smickles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 10 hours, 3 minutes, and 26 seconds ago: <smickles> oh, and it's payably only via bitcoin now
azx: pizzaman1337: read the forums :)
dust-otc: Even odds, Avalon delivers a working ASIC unit by Mar. 1
dust-otc: I don't like the variable odds
dust-otc: and the BFL bet is terribly worded
dust-otc: mircea_popescu: with the terms I listed, i'm willing to bet up to 100btc
dust-otc: so it might be worth your time to keep track of
dust-otc: that they aren't a scam, which requires that they ship, even if slightly delayed/ out of spec
mircea_popescu: dust-otc well... im not sure i want even odds on that, and i'm not sure "a unit" means anything in this context.
mircea_popescu: how about deliver 80% of their first batch by mar 1st. 240 units or w/e it was.
DeadWeasel: Yes, I'll have 14 units of ASICs please.
mircea_popescu: and i can't bring myself to throw 100 btc on this either, im not invested in them either way
mircea_popescu: more of a sporting interest for me than anything else.
dust-otc: I admit that it is possible that Avalon/BFL are scams, especially BFL, but I don't think it is likely
dust-otc: and yet many people seem very sure they are scams
mircea_popescu: their latest move makes it pretty convincing in my eyes.
jurov: yes, really, is it so hard to produce convincing multimedia evidence?
dust-otc: Everyone is getting mad that avalon is taking orders for a 2nd batch before they shipped the first, and yet BFL has been doing this all along
mircea_popescu: the problem with "are scams" arguments in btc is that the chances of it becoming purely semantinc are so high. most are idiots rather than scammers i guess.
dust-otc: jurov: true, they really should post proof
jcpham: and it just keeps going
topace: im okay with them being scams, my fpga's keep plugging along
mircea_popescu: yeah i think fpgas will turn out to be the best investments ever.
topace: the longer asics are delayed, the more moneys worth i get from the fpgas
jcpham: woohoo avalon batch #2
azx: jcpham: So, we have a problem. Avalon need the money before this weekend starts to place orders for the parts. :)
topace: yup more than 100% paid off
topace: and if htey actually do ship asics, each one is worth its trade in value back to them too
jcpham: i like how the price is going up making my gpus seem less crazy
azx: mircea_popescu: you did finance? What exactly?
mircea_popescu: jcpham i suspect the more efficient gpus are atm the baseline
dust-otc: I really should try to fix up some of my gpus
dust-otc: mining is getting fairly profitable again
jcpham: diff rose, price rose, diff dropped, price dropped
jcpham: now the diff is rising again
jcpham: guess what happens next
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 19.39000, Best ask: 19.39224, Bid-ask spread: 0.00224, Last trade: 19.38924, 24 hour volume: 102254.25858682, 24 hour low: 17.90100, 24 hour high: 19.80000, 24 hour vwap: 18.88041
jcpham: ;;calc 102254*[ticker --avg]
jcpham: ;;calc 102254*[ticker --avg]*.0005
azx: "pizzaman1337 | mircea_popescu: I'm guessing you did financial stuff?" - mircea_popescu | in a sense, yeah.
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu its daily 100mhash revenue
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 430 @ 0.007395 = 3.1799 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1353 @ 0.007395 = 10.0054 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4050 @ 0.0006509 = 2.6361 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6212 @ 0.0006509 = 4.0434 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2304 @ 0.00065185 = 1.5019 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 925 @ 0.00064666 = 0.5982 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4525 @ 0.00064421 = 2.9151 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.0006438 = 6.438 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8900 @ 0.00064372 = 5.7291 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5900 @ 0.0006437 = 3.7978 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1574 @ 0.0006437 = 1.0132 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1926 @ 0.00064358 = 1.2395 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.00064358 = 3.604 BTC [-]
gribble: There are currently 0 bitcoins offered at or under 19.0 USD, worth 0.0 USD in total.
gribble: There are currently 46192.853 bitcoins offered at or under 32.0 USD, worth 1106817.5498 USD in total.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 604 @ 0.00737556 = 4.4548 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5004 @ 0.00064358 = 3.2205 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7840 @ 0.00064239 = 5.0363 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00065165 = 2.8158 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9742 @ 0.00065185 = 6.3503 BTC [+]
gribble: There are currently 1491.2595 bitcoins demanded at or over 19.0 USD, worth 28499.0119229 USD in total.
gribble: There are currently 38880.635 bitcoins offered at or under 30.0 USD, worth 870816.70782 USD in total.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 17 @ 0.77999999 = 13.26 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.78 = 2.34 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: wait, why are you getting different answers than me
Diablo-D3: [11:08:14] <Diablo-D3> ;;bids 19.33
Diablo-D3: [11:08:18] <gribble> There are currently 43.917217 bitcoins demanded at or over 19.33 USD, worth 849.358102304 USD in total.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 196 @ 0.00737236 = 1.445 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 104 @ 0.007395 = 0.7691 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 51989 @ 0.007395 = 384.4587 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P200T] 815 @ 0.25823903 = 210.4648 BTC [+]
DrufferS: www.btctoys.com if someone fancies sex toys and other stuff like that...just got my order:D:D
Bugpowder: damn. I thought someone just sold me some puts
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2394 @ 0.00065167 = 1.5601 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8250 @ 0.00064972 = 5.3602 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 400 @ 0.00065167 = 0.2607 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: also the dude should get a domain like 15Kpizza.com or smth
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1527 @ 0.00065167 = 0.9951 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1654 @ 0.00065185 = 1.0782 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2419 @ 0.00065289 = 1.5793 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3050 @ 0.00064972 = 1.9816 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.0006427 = 0.6427 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: kakobrekla: mircea_popescu is too old to understand cultural references
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5650 @ 0.00065021 = 3.6737 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1650 @ 0.00065281 = 1.0771 BTC [+]
gribble: There are currently 48702.375 bitcoins offered at or under 32.0 USD, worth 1158562.45361 USD in total.
gribble: There are currently 36814.212 bitcoins demanded at or over 17.0 USD, worth 662237.029233 USD in total.
gribble: There are currently 0 bitcoins offered at or under 18.0 USD, worth 0.0 USD in total.
gribble: There are currently 0 bitcoins offered at or under 19.0 USD, worth 0.0 USD in total.
gribble: There are currently 15030.94 bitcoins offered at or under 20.0 USD, worth 298647.633689 USD in total.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2671 @ 0.00065281 = 1.7437 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10029 @ 0.00065289 = 6.5478 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: ;;later tell Namworld send me an email later if I am not around so that I can get in touch with you about the vps, I wrote up everything this morning. send me a message
DeadWeasel: are there "mutual funds" for bitcoin assets?
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: will there ever be a limited number of seats to mpex?
kakobrekla: most of them are accually mutual scams
DeadWeasel: seems like the best way to get us ignorant folk into the game. but maybe ignorant folk in the asset game is a bad thing. i don't know.
mircea_popescu: we don't yet have the infrastructure to support naive investment,
mircea_popescu: and for that matter naive investment doesn't work too well in fiat anyway.
mircea_popescu: "Asking for up to 5btc loan- returning 3%/day in a 2-4 weeks"
burnside: willing to answer any Q's regarding how btct.co actually functions
topace: hmm assbot isnt announcing
jurov: burnside, you seem to take it rather personally
topace: mpex also isnt processing trades
topace: i placed an order, its not in my STAT and it hasnt been executed
mod6: did you get a receipt for your order?
topace: it'd be nice if the BUY response provided the order id
topace: Your order to BUY 3500 S.DICE @0.00750000BTC each has been received and will be processed.
jurov: topace, it may take 20 seconds for order to surface
topace: its been over a minute
mod6: do you have enough in your account to cover the trade?
burnside: jurov, yeah, I do. I don't have a pr person to set ppl straight like MP, gotta do it myself. :(
topace: there was also a trade on havelock that wasnt announced by assbot
mod6: arnt you the guy who sent the rounded btc to mircea_popescu?
jurov: burnside, i mean what is it good for - if after having argument on irc, i'll to go to btctalk and announce there "look he said this, he is a liar, etc"
topace: mircea_popescu: problems?
burnside: well, it'd be one thing if I were here and it were an argument. :)
burnside: or if he'd pm'd and said, "hey, I think there might be a hole"
burnside: as I've done for him a couple of times.
burnside: he's been on the exchange long enough to know it doesn't work like that.
burnside: he's intentionally doing that.
burnside: and it's not the first time...
mod6: OH. i see what your issue is topace
mod6: there are asks below the amount you put in
mod6: if you want to buy 3500 @ market rate just do: "BUY|S.DICE|3500"
topace: the new pympex requires the 4th parameter
topace: for the confirmation calculation
mod6: they're doing it wrong then
topace: but you can place a bid higher
Bugpowder: you should never use a market order, ever
mod6: look at the bid/ask list
topace: i placed a BID for 3500 at 750000
topace: that should get filled
mod6: highest bid: .00728868 for 800
topace: there's asks at 729764
mod6: lwest ask: .00729764 for 1341
topace: rightm so a bid at 750000 should eat up the asks at 0.00729764 and 0.00739500
topace: so, im back to where i was, there's SOMETHING WRONG with the site :p
topace: my order says it was placed
topace: but its not in my order book
mod6: look how many are offfered @ .00749999
topace: i placed a BID at 750000
mod6: you couldn't cover the trade
Bugpowder: if you can cover the trade it adjusts the number of shares
topace: mircea_popescu: ahh, k, see, i new there was a problem :p
Bugpowder: I have locked myself out of my account like that before.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1341 @ 0.00729764 = 9.7861 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2159 @ 0.007395 = 15.9658 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: did u reorder it or was it just delayed
mircea_popescu: <topace> it'd be nice if the BUY response provided the order id << the webserver does not know what ids the orders will end up with.
mircea_popescu: <Bugpowder> you should never use a market order, ever << why not ?
topace: so the webserver just forwards the request on
Bugpowder: dangerous in fast moving environment though
Bugpowder: you never know if some dude has placed a big order in front of you
Bugpowder: and blasts away the shares you thought you were buying
Bugpowder: then you end up buying S.DICE at .01 for example
mircea_popescu: limit order guarantees price, doesn't guarantee execution
mircea_popescu: market order guarantees execution, doesn't guarantee price
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9100 @ 0.00065289 = 5.9413 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1524 @ 0.00065289 = 0.995 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3676 @ 0.00065373 = 2.4031 BTC [+]
burnside: seems like it. he has an account on the system, it's easy to see how it works.
burnside: I know he understands it under the hood, he coded the same stuff.
mircea_popescu: i'll tell you something tho, it's good that you changed the way 7day etc volume is presented
burnside: yeah, that was some good input from you guys
burnside: I still don't like it much, but it's better than it was
mircea_popescu: also a point : () is traditionally notation for negative figures
burnside: yeah, one of the reasons I don't like it much.
burnside: I'm not sure what to do with it. I tried <sub> and <sup> variations, etc.
burnside: that's a good call, will give it a shot.
mircea_popescu: and tot volume is glbse bullshit. either 30 day or 1 year
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 2 @ 0.3399 = 0.6798 BTC [-]
burnside: that's a good point. I had it in there before I had 30d available, kind of as a sign of "seniority".
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.34 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3321 @ 0.0006427 = 2.1344 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6360 @ 0.00064239 = 4.0856 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8816 @ 0.00064194 = 5.6593 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12623 @ 0.00064175 = 8.1008 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8875 @ 0.00064129 = 5.6914 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9500 @ 0.00064011 = 6.081 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12550 @ 0.00063952 = 8.026 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10083 @ 0.00063945 = 6.4476 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9900 @ 0.00063765 = 6.3127 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7684 @ 0.00063755 = 4.8989 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.0006373 = 6.373 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25162 @ 0.00063728 = 16.0352 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9950 @ 0.00063715 = 6.3396 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2101 @ 0.00063681 = 1.3379 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4621 @ 0.00063663 = 2.9419 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18945 @ 0.00063637 = 12.056 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4186 @ 0.00063567 = 2.6609 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16997 @ 0.0006356 = 10.8033 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12619 @ 0.00063517 = 8.0152 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12049 @ 0.00063511 = 7.6524 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6200 @ 0.00063443 = 3.9335 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2831 @ 0.00063414 = 1.7953 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4277 @ 0.00063378 = 2.7107 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8010 @ 0.00063369 = 5.0759 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2340 @ 0.00063335 = 1.482 BTC [-]
jurov: dangerous indeed :)
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00063335 / 0.0006497 / 0.00066703 (1105501 shares, 718.25 BTC), 7D: 0.00059445 / 0.00066286 / 0.0007 (23174858 shares, 15,361.69 BTC), 30D: 0.00059445 / 0.00065485 / 0.0007 (51526236 shares, 33,742.24 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.0006337 = 2.7382 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4029 @ 0.0006335 = 2.5524 BTC [-]
burnside: well, one of the key things I don't want are the ponzi kind of things to take off, so tot volume on those just ends up being a promotion...
mircea_popescu: judging by the recent experience of the gem thingee, btc market is a lot more mature.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13627 @ 0.00063351 = 8.6328 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [X.IDIFF.MAR] 20 @ 0.089 = 1.78 BTC [+]
jurov: i'm tryting to do something w/them
mircea_popescu: they should be pretty straightforward, i have no idea why people don't use them a lot more.
jurov: yes, just that trying anything beyond MAR is is just insane
mircea_popescu: if you actually have a mining farm active you can calculate both the volume and the price at which you should be buying to make a profit.
jurov: whether i do or not, the collateral requirement causes it to be unattractive. compared to what else can be done with the cash
Bugpowder: I was thinking of covering my short 20 MARs
mircea_popescu: if you have a lot of btc it makes sense to sell some, maybe
jurov: ic. ust that someone has to offer them
mircea_popescu: one can put a bid in whether someone offers any or not
mircea_popescu: i'd go as far as to say it's financially irresponsible for any large-ish mining operation to not hedge diff
mircea_popescu: but then again i guess miners aren't (yet) too sophisticated, financially.
jurov: perhaps someone can write article to btcmag with all the scenarios ELI5
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.35 = 0.7 BTC [+]
jurov: i can try ask if they'll pay me for that :p
Namworld: pirate paid for some rum to the waiter.
jurov: i heard at least some ppl from mag got paid veeery nicely :D
Namworld: relaxing on a chair on a tropical island
mircea_popescu: jurov you know this reminds me of that joke, someone asks henry miller what sort of writing pays the best
jurov: okay. but really, couldn't be the futures covered by S.MPOE for example?
jurov: when i do MKFUT, instead of bitcoins, mpex would get equivalent value in S.MPOE from my acct into escrow
mircea_popescu: the complexities of automated actuarial calculation tho...
mircea_popescu: seems more logical to either sell the stock or else pledge it as collateral/repo it with someone who specializes in this
jurov: same as you computed the mkt cap: qty*price :D
mircea_popescu: im sure someone would be willing to issue short term loans against mpex assets.
kakobrekla: shit, it has been done with glbse assets
jurov: quite an idea. i can perhaps plunder smickles' short offering to cover IDIFFs
mircea_popescu: mpex actually has all the infrastructure in place, with the signed pushes
mircea_popescu: you can do quite advanced banking stuff on what mpex offers as is,
mircea_popescu: i'd wager you can implement almost all currently used wall street contract types
jurov: infrastructure is there. waiting for people
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.0006534 = 2.8233 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1124 @ 0.00065373 = 0.7348 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 800 @ 0.00065374 = 0.523 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5693 @ 0.00065412 = 3.7239 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00714694 / 0.00738203 / 0.007395 (85953 shares, 634.51 BTC), 7D: 0.00085848 / 0.00542827 / 0.0075 (1238556 shares, 6,723.23 BTC), 30D: 0.00085848 / 0.00431147 / 0.0075 (10632030 shares, 45,839.74 BTC)
smickles: ;;rate mircea_popescu 4 runs MPEx. If he scams us, it's probably a good time to shot bitcoin.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user mircea_popescu has changed from 3 to 4.
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 200 @ 0.0075 = 1.5 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: wait. so if i keep going i benefit bitcoin through developing finance + paying mpoe-pr to aggravate forum people
burnside: mp, the bold volume bit looks good. thx for that.
mircea_popescu: and if i run off i benefit bitcoin through decreased coin supply ?
jcpham: fresh water speculation
jcpham: been saying it for years
jcpham: air and water futures will one day rule the markets
Diablo-D3: is start buying water and air rights
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11750 @ 0.00065254 = 7.6673 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00065403 = 2.8261 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6579 @ 0.00065412 = 4.3035 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4200 @ 0.00065483 = 2.7503 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3150 @ 0.00065483 = 2.0627 BTC [+]
smickles: < Diablo-D3> is start buying water and air rights << iirc, in 'merica those don't technically exist
Diablo-D3: then the rich shouldnt be able to have them either
Diablo-D3: you cant own something that doesnt exist, they put you in the insane asylum for talk like that
DeadWeasel: water rights exist. There are places where it's illegal to collect rainwater
Diablo-D3: DeadWeasel: yes, and those terrorist nations should be ended
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2900 @ 0.00065035 = 1.886 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1612 @ 0.00064706 = 1.0431 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2709 @ 0.00064706 = 1.7529 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2891 @ 0.00064693 = 1.8703 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.0006547 = 2.829 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1479 @ 0.00065483 = 0.9685 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.0261 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 34 @ 0.026 = 0.884 BTC [-]
dub: I thought water rights were a huge deal in some states
Diablo-D3: yes, its a huge deal because no one has any
dub: you have people diverting whole rivers, wasting the water because if they don't take it they'll lose the rights they bought off indians
Schadenfreude: Coinbr checks withdrawal requests manually before accepting them, me likey
Diablo-D3: its not as clever as you think it is
Schadenfreude: ah, I thought it's a safety feature, not a feat of laziness
smickles: dub: are you sure they don't just have the right to the land, and if the river moves off the land, that's why they lost it
dub: pretty sure it was all about water
dub: was on some natgeo docu
dub: focused on nevada iirc
smickles: hmm, i wonder what I was thinking of then
dub: we have some interesting wine country where irrigation water comes from races built by 19th century gold miners
dub: the races start in snow melts and run accross many properties but are owned by the property they terminate on, and that owner has the right to do any kind of remedial works onthe other properties to ensure the supply
jurov: lol, feat of laziness ;)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 842 @ 0.00735836 = 6.1957 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: dub: so I'd destroy them if they were on my property
dub: some are little more than a 1m wide trench but worth untold millions in the wine prudction they enable
Diablo-D3: and then shoot anyone who trespasses on my property
dub: Diablo-D3: then I would show up on your property with the police and a lot of earthworking equipment to restore the damage
Diablo-D3: and you would be shot for trespassing
jurov: in 16th century before steam engine invetion, rain actually powered water pumps in gold mines
dub: tearing up your vinyard in the process if you want to be a cunt about it
Diablo-D3: fucking druggies, just kill them all
dub: thiung is, because we are not Diablo-D3 everyone just gets on with shit and cooperates
dub: its the ~american dream
mircea_popescu: i guess this is why Diablo-D3 doesn't have a propertah
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 890 @ 0.0006471 = 0.5759 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2610 @ 0.00064709 = 1.6889 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: in the US, you cannot own property
smickles: Diablo-D3: you can, but no one will sell it to you
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1711 @ 0.00064709 = 1.1072 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6837 @ 0.00064693 = 4.4231 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00065475 = 2.8292 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4771 @ 0.00065483 = 3.1242 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2008 @ 0.00065546 = 1.3162 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00065525 = 2.8313 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 279 @ 0.00065546 = 0.1829 BTC [+]
jborkl: For 1 million I can make you a picture with words in it too
jcpham: it looks like the avlon unit comes pre-flashes with openwrt
jcpham: i see 69 GH/s in cgminer do 800+ shares/min
jcpham: that's not a minirig and it isn't GPU's
jcpham: see i'm not even paying attention
dub: so they are stand alone? no host machine required?
jcpham: i've heard that from the beginning
jcpham: i didn't believe it though
jcpham: wrt makes sense. running cgminer on wrt has been avaialbe for a long time
dub: wattage is accurately reported as 'higher than 400w'
jcpham: if definitely isn't leading the power consumption race
dub: typical chinese, 'of course i lied, lol'
jcpham: but out of the box ready to mine with software is a game changer
mircea_popescu: jcpham someone was opining that they got 300 chips of which 10 work
jcpham: i haven't read ny of the forum fud
jcpham: surrounding any of the asic stuff
dub: I burnt out on it pretty quick
dub: >9000 troll to 1 usefull post
dub: you should resell those
jcpham: i'm not even interested in digests
dub: make some more money out of your girl
jcpham: -otc is getting or is like that now too
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 13.8 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: "ASIC's are not a natural technological generation leap like going from CPU to GPU was. ASIC's are simply specialized processing units made specifically for Bitcoin. Which i do not beleive is following the original intentions of Satoshi, for many reasons."
mircea_popescu: "Would it be even remotely possible to force the change in sha256 bitcoin algorith to something else that asic and fpga devices couldnt compute?
mircea_popescu: We started off with a bitcoin that anyone could use and now were forced to buy stuff we dont really want.
mircea_popescu: I realise that there are some ppl that allready invested in asic and fpga, but ton off ppl are unsatisfied with this.
mircea_popescu: Do U think btc should move away from sha256 and let "normal" people the chance ?"
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 112 @ 0.0089 = 0.9968 BTC [-]
jurov: they'll rather whine instead of improving litecoin
jcpham: where did that text come from
jcpham: mircea_popescu but 16 posts means he learned a lot about the bitty coins
mircea_popescu: chinese scammer impersonating or actualy avalon guy scamming ?
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 798 @ 0.01 = 7.98 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.0075 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 258 @ 0.00730771 = 1.8854 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 300 @ 0.00734366 = 2.2031 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6992 @ 0.00065546 = 4.583 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4088 @ 0.00065567 = 2.6804 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: anyone here can give me some data on mining implements ?
Bugpowder: So are the taking the second order money before anyone confirms receiving a functional unit?
gribble: The bot responds when you start a line with the ! character. A good starting point for exploring the bot is the !facts command. You can also visit the bot's website for a list of help topics and documentation:
http://gribble.sourceforge.net/ assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5750 @ 0.00064923 = 3.7331 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00064699 = 2.7956 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5379 @ 0.00064693 = 3.4798 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.025 BTC [-]
Ukto: Namworld: btw, I think those bonus divs were a great use of the pre-timed payouts to get some sales. I think it helped alot for getting shares out. :)
gribble: use the 'gentime' command instead
gribble: The average time to generate a block at 185000.0 Mhps, given difficulty of 2968775.33208, is 19 hours, 8 minutes, and 44 seconds
Namworld: yeah. Well I had indeed made great profit trading options...
Namworld: Bonuses I give on BTC-BOND are a very small fraction of what I make.
Ukto: and its not required, so its pretty cool :)
Ukto: reminds me of when I had my JAH shares on glbse, and rasta paid divs nightly, even though he only had to paid weekly.
burnside: Ukto, just so we're clear. Anytime you post something that is incorrect, wrong, or misleading, I'm going to post a follow up with the truth. If that bothers you, I'm sorry, but it has to be done. If you don't want to be called a liar, then don't say definitively that something is true when it is not.
Ukto: ah, how about a rebuttle where the statement was?
Ukto: A bit overkill for forums isnt it?
Ukto: for something that to this moment looks to be ture?
Ukto: still have no idea what asking about outstanding shares has to do with lieing or fud
Ukto: unless your whole goal is to troll and try to make me look bad ?
burnside: How could it look to be true that the order book is not backed? Orders you cannot afford get canceled... the functionality is plain and simple. And, you did not even try it?
burnside: The looking bad part I think you accomplish just fine on your own.
Ukto: i cant force wsomeone to buy my shares.
Ukto: so if I have 20btc, and put 6 5btc bids on assets
Ukto: which ones get canceled?
burnside: you can't put 6 4 btc bids with 20 btc...
pigeons: the question is when do orders you can't afford get cancelled
Ukto: you reserves are per asset
Ukto: or did deprived lie?
burnside: across assets, sure, but not on the same asset
Ukto: i never said same asset
Ukto: so lets go back to $20
burnside: yes, the rest of how it works has been beaten to death
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 200 @ 0.01 = 2 BTC [+]
Ukto: one 5btc order clears
pigeons: ok it cancelled other orders
Ukto: are all teh rest canceled?
Ukto: pigeons: all of them ?
pigeons: it isn't transparent how it chose
burnside: ahh, good question. on the bids side your highest bids get canceled.
Ukto: ahh, and its instant?
Ukto: apparently from the sound of pigeons
burnside: it's part of the order process
burnside: and not all of them, just the ones you can no longer afford
pigeons: when it accepts your order it cancells others for insufficient funds
Ukto: yup, thats cool and nice to know
pigeons: just don't accept the order
Ukto: but not what I was going on about. :)
Ukto: I was saying that in my opinion i feel its a lie to show X btc worth on the books when its not actually there
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 4100 @ 0.007395 = 30.3195 BTC [+]
Ukto: and can be abused for pumping
Ukto: whcih is why the major stock exchange do not do it
burnside: I thought about that pigeons, but that's a ui issue where I decided that the order they're placing should rank higher than orders they already had. (what they want to do NOW outranks what they wanted to do yesterday.)
Namworld: How is it a lie? all bids on the book can be filled right away
pigeons: sometimes you guestimate, if it lets me do it i mathjed right, not here ;)
Namworld: It can just removes demand on other assets at the same time.
Ukto: Namworld: so all 6 of my 5btc pids could instnatly be filled even tho I have 20btc?
pigeons: its not fake cause it cancels immediately i agree, but also i dont think its user friendly, shouldnt accept the order
Ukto: so say I am dumping my shares of all my assets
TradeFortress: inb4 race attack causes account balance to go negative
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5950 @ 0.00065006 = 3.8679 BTC [+]
burnside: locking on the backend would essentially work such that only your first 20btc of bids would go through
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1464 @ 0.00064716 = 0.9474 BTC [-]
Ukto: i look, and see hey, if i sell 500 share sof each asset, i should get X
Ukto: i start with asset A
Ukto: and now low and behold
Ukto: the books are dramatically changed
Ukto: and now I cant get what I expected
Ukto: because it wasnt actually there
Ukto: you could play games
Ukto: and say its no diff than a bot auto moving orders
Ukto: but there is a level of expectancy
Ukto: so that is my opinion
burnside: that's always the case though, on a larger exchange the books are always changing.
Ukto: as a trader, I like to know that the books are there
burnside: it's accurate as of when you load the book
Ukto: and that my own actions are not damanging other possible actions
Namworld: yeah. Orderbook is true only for the asset you're currently looking at... I don't see the problem with bids on other assets disappearing upon filling that orderbook
Ukto: Namworld: that is true.
Ukto: thus it is my opinion
Namworld: It only prevents evaluating all orderbooks at once
Ukto: and how I feel about it. :)
Namworld: but evaluating one individually will always show an accurate orderbook and that's all I care about.
burnside: we don't make any claims anywhere for "XX in bids are up across the whole exchange RIGHT NOW"
Ukto: I think, also to some degree, it misrepresents market size as well
pigeons: i just spent 2 btc on btc-bond to learn how this works
burnside: heh, thanks pigeons, we need the volume!
Namworld: It works by giving you 0.0006 BTC daily
burnside: errr, assbot has been pretty quiet tho
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9900 @ 0.0006543 = 6.4776 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00065561 = 2.8329 BTC [+]
Ukto: So in the end, I told the truth, that you can set bids on a per asset basis, right?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 928 @ 0.00065567 = 0.6085 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6515 @ 0.00065602 = 4.274 BTC [+]
burnside: no, you lied. you stated unequivocally that you could place 100 btc bids on all assets, withdraw 100 btc, and all your bids would remain.
Ukto: and I put in my reubutle it was based on what I could see
Ukto: and what your system showed
Ukto: which you stated was accurate
burnside: [12:05] <Ukto> on btct, I can fill my account with 100btc, put up to 100btc orders on each asset, and withdraw the 100btc
burnside: [12:05] <Ukto> and then its a complete, lie
burnside: [12:06] <Ukto> Regardless of 'pumping the numbers', i think traders have a right to knwo that a bid is actually backed, and not just a fake number on the books.
burnside: as of the time you load the book
Ukto: on a per asset basis
Ukto: when looking at the overall market page
Ukto: When you withdraw or transfer it cancels your orders you can no longer afford. Plain. Simple. Effective. I even have a display on the withdrawal page clearly showing the maximum you can withdraw without orders getting canceled -- AND, this behavior has been discussed to death in the btct/litecoinglobal threads.
burnside: I don't say anything about bid depth or order depth on the market.
Ukto: Clearly, plain and simple.. wow... that must be the cause of the problem right there.
Ukto: I have 35.5 btc in my account, I have a 35btc order up for a security right now.
Ukto: The withdraw page clearly, plainly, and simply says I have 35.5btc available to withdraw. No further details.
Ukto: you state current bid price
Ukto: which if one of those is touched, could drasticlly change others
Ukto: thats not here nor there
Ukto: we all have our diff opinions on it
burnside: "No further details" is another piece of FUD. right below the max withdraw: "On the Order Book: YY BTC (not on the order book: XX-YY BTC)"
Ukto: the word max is not on my page
Ukto: nothing about a max
Ukto: it just give sme a balance
burnside: you have to set a withdrawal address before withdrawal is even available...
Ukto: nothing about order cancelation
Ukto: it doesnt say its not available
Ukto: sorry if the site is confusing
burnside: obviously any withdrawal is unavailable until you set an address, it says it in plain english...
burnside: "Withdrawal becomes available once you have set your withdrawal address"
Ukto: glad it will be an option
Ukto: i'll take my 35btc. ;)
Ukto: as i said, I was talking
Ukto: with a couple people
Ukto: if it was someone else
Ukto: would you have taken it to the forums
Ukto: and called them a liar?
Ukto: for making a simple mistake?
Ukto: because there is no documentation anywhere on yoru site
Ukto: you are picking on me specifically
Ukto: to lower my credibility.
Ukto: so just stop. k? :)
burnside: I'll be honest, I hold you to a higher standard. There was no simple mistake. What you stated was not true and you stated it clearly, intentionally, and in a way that damages the company.
Ukto: soudns liek things you have done on teh forums
Ukto: guess were both the same. :)
Ukto: except I was just talking with a few friends
Ukto: where you have gone out of your way to make false assertions
burnside: that may be, but I don't think so. I haven't made anything up about BitFunder and stated it as fact.
Ukto: then you really dont realize when you make false assertions ?
Ukto: this is really a matter of not thinking things through ?
Ukto: or cecking facts before making statements?
Ukto: Apparently that was me when just talking on irc
Ukto: as I clicked through things
Ukto: trying to udnerstand something that was not documented
burnside: I've made lots of mistakes, mostly in terms of getting sucked into petty bickering.
Ukto: but your the one who continues it
Ukto: and the puts it out for EVERYONE to see
burnside: I think we've come full circle: [15:00] <burnside> Ukto, just so we're clear. Anytime you post something that is incorrect, wrong, or misleading, I'm going to post a follow up with the truth. If that bothers you, I'm sorry, but it has to be done. If you don't want to be called a liar, then don't say definitively that something is true when it is not.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2857 @ 0.00064716 = 1.8489 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 293 @ 0.00064693 = 0.1896 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8650 @ 0.00064434 = 5.5735 BTC [-]
Ukto: Alright, so from now on when I ask any questions about your site which does some very unconvential things w/o any supportive documentation, i will create a new irc user
Ukto: so you dont have to hold it to your high standards
Ukto: and expectancy to be able to read your mind
Namworld: Ukto, put a withdrawal address and check the form that appears...
Ukto: and do everything you expect them to do
Ukto: Namworld: yes, i see that now
Namworld: and take a screenshot again...
Ukto: Namworld: as I said, I was just ahving a discussion here on irc
Ukto: if you for example or someone else had said
Ukto: "hey, actually it should cancel"\
Ukto: "should show a max withdraw"
Ukto: i would have said "oh, let me check"
Ukto: just like when you answered my question about outstanding shares
burnside: this is a public chan, just as public as the forums. if you want the privacy (and to spread the FUD privately) you can pm anyone you want about it.
Ukto: burnside: you should post a live irc log on btct
Ukto: i will get you a list of all bitcoin related channels
Ukto: so you can monitor them all
Ukto: and even the ones on all the other networks
Ukto: so you can critisize any and all users
Ukto: that make a simple misudnerstanding of your site
Ukto: you admitted it yourself, youy hold me in higher regards and expectancies
Ukto: but I am no different then another btct user
Ukto: i look for the same documentation to yoru custom stuff
Ukto: i use the same interface
Ukto: i get confused just as easily as others would
Ukto: as Namworld said, he had to spend nearly $40 to understnad your system
burnside: There's no confusion in stating as fact something that is not true, nor possible.
Ukto: i dont know whats possible
Ukto: where is it in the faq?
Ukto: I should have wrote "could"
Ukto: and over dramatizing something
Ukto: you wanna defend yourself, then defend yourself to the people that i outright lied to
Ukto: you dont have to go "WOH IS ME" to the whole world
Namworld: [18:31] <Ukto> as Namworld said, he had to spend nearly $40 to understnad your system
burnside: I'd rather not end up with all this attention. But I can't leave other users confused based on posts of a competing exchange operator. You of all people should be able to wrap your brain around that.
burnside: I think it was pigeons that said that he'd spent 2 BTC making trades to test Ukto's statements.
Ukto: might have been, will scroll back up
Ukto: Namworld: sorry if i misread that :)
Ukto: yeah, it was. [17:14] <pigeons> i just spent 2 btc on btc-bond to learn how this works
dub: this just in, IRC is srs bzns
error4733: hey, totally off topic, a friend made some wallet with old audio tape, i found this awesome, so i share ;)
dub: looks like two iphone cases stuck together
Ukto: I bet they would sell like hotcakes
Ukto: wonder if hw would consider marketing em? :)
Ukto: i think teens would like em
Ukto: mid/late teens, mebbe early 20s
dub: I think you mean 'hipsters'
Ukto: esp. if you can "build your own" selecinting diff tapes, colors etc on the site
kakobrekla: the result of that would be a bunch of ugly wallets
duketogo: the tapes will all have to be bands that "nobody has heard about"
Ukto: duketogo: you think so? :/
Ukto: I figured if they actually bought the tapes and had receipts
Ukto: and just destroyed them it was fair game
Ukto: rather than making fake dupes
kakobrekla: resell the case to one party and the music rights to another
Ukto: kakobrekla: not sure end users can just split the rights like that tho :/
dub: I thought duketogo was talking about the hipsters desire to be original by listening to obscure shit
error4733: maybe put the music in a usb stick and you sell with the wallet
duketogo: aye, the hipster will not want to be seen with a tape wallet featuring a band that had any kind of commercial success ;)
dub: preferrably put a small amount of explosives in there instead of a usb stick to incinerate the hipster
error4733: and yes obv he want marketing em but the prob is the production
dub: the other problem of course is what a hipster needs a wallet for?
dub: money? mom buys everythign
error4733: i got one but i'm not a fking hipsters
kakobrekla: i got one too, if we are talking about moms.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00064455 = 2.7851 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3579 @ 0.00064434 = 2.3061 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: >>its also a good game choice I think as its not totally trivial to create a bot for it.
dub: hehe Challenge Accepted
Namworld: fuck... can someone make me an uber competent bot?
kakobrekla: like one that makes you breakfast and gives head?
mircea_popescu: everyone that comprehends mining plz to read and comment
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.0073845 = 3.6923 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.00064667 = 2.0693 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: anyone got anything good to watch for reccomendation
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00064461 = 2.7854 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5271 @ 0.00064434 = 3.3963 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6900 @ 0.00064374 = 4.4418 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1850 @ 0.00063666 = 1.1778 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12058 @ 0.00063598 = 7.6686 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: bah i stay up to write docs for miners, ppl sell mpoe. THIS IS THE THANKS I GET!
smickles: don't look at me, i just leveraged long
assbot: I cooked, I cleaned, and I sewed, and I have a right to get--
smickles: i might be shadow-banned on reddit?
smickles: kakobrekla: linked to blocked content?
smickles: mircea_popescu: that's just it, direct links work, but check the /r/bitcoin page or the /r/bitcoin/new
kakobrekla: i guess you could replace -- with 'shit'.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1700 @ 0.00732036 = 12.4446 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 150 @ 0.007395 = 1.1093 BTC [+]
dub: might be blocked in 'murica, cuts a little close to home
assbot: It's so strange that you don't remember any of your poetry.
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00711564 / 0.00735027 / 0.007395 (85447 shares, 628.06 BTC), 7D: 0.00085848 / 0.00547144 / 0.0075 (1181450 shares, 6,464.24 BTC), 30D: 0.00085848 / 0.00440993 / 0.0075 (9302204 shares, 41,022.10 BTC)
Bowjob: I find it a bit strange that mpex dice shares haven't lost value while Havelock's are a bit down
Bowjob: I'd imagine with dice shares would plummet now that the whale got 9k in 1 day.
Bowjob: Well, im still figuring out if dice is up or down, looks like the whale is still playing
mircea_popescu: listen, most people with that sort of nonsense outlook aren't on mpex
assbot: [HAVELOCK:SDICE] 1D: 0.69500000 / 0.7513125 / 0.78000000 (80 shares, 60.10499969 BTC), 7D: 0.44000000 / 0.64762229 / 0.81000000 (1311 shares, 849.03282861 BTC), 30D: 0.37000000 / 0.51008583 / 0.81000000 (5482 shares, 2796.29051793 BTC)
mircea_popescu: was up cause of lack of asks, prolly relaxed a little once owner bought a little more s.dice and put it on offer
maximian: bowjob: s.dice is practically brand new and is just getting going - its big earning days are still ahead of us. Variances like a 9k loss to a whale are meaningless if you're in for the long term.
mircea_popescu: actually i imagine the largest single factor affecting price is people's judgement of how likely a sale to a large player is.
maximian: I do anticipate that - it makes sense
mircea_popescu: stuff like the recent online casinos opening btc to the us is prolly more pressure than whether someone makles or loses 10k
mircea_popescu: course, this is all speculation about what people may be speculating about lol.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10850 @ 0.00065466 = 7.1031 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00064931 = 2.8057 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66 @ 0.00064918 = 0.0428 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13800 @ 0.0006485 = 8.9493 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.0006456 = 2.7896 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11200 @ 0.00064528 = 7.2271 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1735 @ 0.00064423 = 1.1177 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00064457 = 2.7852 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3725 @ 0.00064423 = 2.3998 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14500 @ 0.00064423 = 9.3413 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3540 @ 0.00064423 = 2.2806 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6597 @ 0.00064187 = 4.2344 BTC [-]
Graet: i'll read it laterm kids dinner time mircea_popescu
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4400 @ 0.00064187 = 2.8242 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 712 @ 0.00734477 = 5.2295 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24 @ 0.00064187 = 0.0154 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3036 @ 0.00064169 = 1.9482 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00064744 = 2.7976 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9163 @ 0.00064755 = 5.9335 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11516 @ 0.00064855 = 7.4687 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.0006483 = 2.8013 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 934 @ 0.00064855 = 0.6057 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10645 @ 0.00065454 = 6.9676 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 450 @ 0.00730215 = 3.286 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00064199 = 2.774 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11879 @ 0.00064169 = 7.6226 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 950 @ 0.00064636 = 0.614 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3850 @ 0.00064199 = 2.4717 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00065438 = 2.8276 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11479 @ 0.00065454 = 7.5135 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.0006543 = 2.8272 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15179 @ 0.00065454 = 9.9353 BTC [+]
jurov: hi mircea_popescu, got a question about x.idiffs
jurov: how do i know how much is the cover?
jurov: when i buy some and difficulty rises, when they'll go *poof*?
kakobrekla: i showed that xdiff thingie to a guy with ~300ghash
jurov: nobody likes it, cause of above uncertainty
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 2000 @ 0.0075 = 15 BTC [+]
jurov: practically every time you do MKFUT, collateral changes, not even saying anything about next quarters
jurov: and buyers don't know what to expect, let's have practical example
jurov: i have sold 20x x.idiff.mar to bugpowder fellow for 1.7711 BTC
jurov: but the cover is actually less, am searching how much it was
jurov: (if i inderstand idiffs correctly)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2753 @ 0.00065454 = 1.8019 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9104 @ 0.00065471 = 5.9605 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11170 @ 0.00066438 = 7.4211 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6950 @ 0.00066563 = 4.6261 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 211 @ 0.00066576 = 0.1405 BTC [+]
jurov: hmm, stat says IMMCover is 1.95470556 so it's a bit more... but still we don't know how much cover others provided
jurov: would you buy future for 1.7BTC that's covered only up to 1.95 ? i doubt
jurov: poor bugpowder, first that s.dice blunder, then this :DDD
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 471 @ 0.00064199 = 0.3024 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4585 @ 0.00064169 = 2.9421 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.00064149 = 3.5923 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5844 @ 0.00064143 = 3.7485 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.6120002 = 6.12 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.612 = 6.12 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.611 = 2.444 BTC [-]
gesell: based on the S.DICE betcount total on Jan 1 and current count I'm seeing a %14 increase in dividends. It's a simplistic calculation. Match what everyone else thinks or does someone have something more sound?
malaimo: if you have a look at the statistical analysis thread over at bitcointalk.org you can see that yesterday was a very bad day for s.dice
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.5611 = 1.1222 BTC [-]
malaimo: but I guess if you consider regression to the mean satoshidice will be fine...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1945 @ 0.00734477 = 14.2856 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10700 @ 0.00064685 = 6.9213 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00064175 = 2.773 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3579 @ 0.00064143 = 2.2957 BTC [-]
markedathome: clearly, dooglus is trying to out mircea_popescu as the mystery player, why else can I get "MPEX pay SDICE with SMPOE" out of the addresses listed in #782
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00066275 = 2.8637 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9150 @ 0.00066278 = 6.0644 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.0006635 = 2.867 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15479 @ 0.00066381 = 10.2751 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2808 @ 0.00066287 = 1.8613 BTC [-]
jurov: no, he's buying twelve pound solid bricks of crystal meth
jurov: (see second recent trilema article)
DeadWeasel: i'm pretty sure he's transporting them as 12" crystal meth dildos to get past customs.
jurov: If nobody is to be routinely told exactly what a worthless, pointless accidental and undesired item they are then certainly nobody’s to be told they’re welcome to dream into one palm, piss in the other and see which feels warmer to the touch.
jurov: and he calls someone snide. yeah.
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 100 @ 0.009 = 0.9 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 11 @ 0.0091 = 0.1001 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2279 @ 0.00066381 = 1.5128 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14849 @ 0.00066576 = 9.8859 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1722 @ 0.00066577 = 1.1465 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.00066577 = 3.9946 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7900 @ 0.00066577 = 5.2596 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1513 @ 0.00066287 = 1.0029 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16737 @ 0.00066282 = 11.0936 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 19.45001, Best ask: 19.52026, Bid-ask spread: 0.07025, Last trade: 19.42100, 24 hour volume: 53313.83367467, 24 hour low: 18.70000, 24 hour high: 19.80000, 24 hour vwap: 19.35731
gribble: There are currently 35300.69 bitcoins offered at or under 29.0 USD, worth 746476.392038 USD in total.
gribble: There are currently 35300.69 bitcoins offered at or under 29.0 USD, worth 746476.392038 USD in total.
gribble: There are currently 17178.888 bitcoins offered at or under 20.0 USD, worth 340747.595972 USD in total.
gribble: There are currently 4392.8697 bitcoins demanded at or over 19.0 USD, worth 84249.722342 USD in total.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10300 @ 0.00066282 = 6.827 BTC [-]
gribble: Error: "bc,24" is not a valid command.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5900 @ 0.00066328 = 3.9134 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00066542 = 2.8753 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12679 @ 0.00066577 = 8.4413 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2223 @ 0.00730522 = 16.2395 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 550 @ 0.00734477 = 4.0396 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8550 @ 0.00066577 = 5.6923 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.645 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 149 @ 0.00066577 = 0.0992 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11651 @ 0.00066664 = 7.767 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: knock 3 times and the door to $20 opens?
jurov: yeah, rally right after i sold some...but i can't wait longer
jurov: oh Bugpowder you weren;t around when i discussed the mpex idiffs ?
jurov: so, unless mircea corrects me, it comes out they are covered only up to 2.9x current difficulty
jurov: so these i made only up to 9 M
jurov: so basically you bought futures for 1.7BTC that are covered only up to 1.95
Bugpowder: I've had a long discussion wiht mp about this
jurov: okay. but overall i'm correct?
Bugpowder: and when the 9 threshold is hit, the expiry is spread across both sets of sold futures
jurov: but the cover averages over all idiff shares, no?
jurov: so i diluted it in fact
Bugpowder: what the actual distribution of 27 and 9s is
jurov: yes, there is no way to know what the cover is. well, i got an idea how to fix it
jurov: CoinBr.IDiff will come to bitfunder soon ;D
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00066302 = 2.8649 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7146 @ 0.00066282 = 4.7365 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 242 @ 0.00734477 = 1.7774 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 8 @ 0.3001 = 2.4008 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 5 @ 0.3001 = 1.5005 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 7 @ 0.3 = 2.1 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 4 @ 0.0238 = 0.0952 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 12 @ 0.0237 = 0.2844 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00066642 = 2.8796 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2979 @ 0.00066657 = 1.9857 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6576 @ 0.00066657 = 4.3834 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 300 @ 0.00734477 = 2.2034 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 400 @ 0.00734477 = 2.9379 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C190T] 10 @ 0.21604376 = 2.1604 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 400 @ 0.00734477 = 2.9379 BTC [+]
jurov: i'm going to improve idiff futures ;)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 300 @ 0.00734477 = 2.2034 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: markedathome I seriously have played a grand total of maybe 3 btc on s.dice.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 19.42769, Best ask: 19.54999, Bid-ask spread: 0.12230, Last trade: 19.42769, 24 hour volume: 50009.52094866, 24 hour low: 18.70000, 24 hour high: 19.63999, 24 hour vwap: 19.35837
gribble: There are currently 14954.611 bitcoins offered at or under 20.0 USD, worth 297782.475441 USD in total.
markedathome: mircea_popescu: i just thought it was funny that I could get those words out of the way the addresses were arranged.
gribble: (bids [--under] <pricetarget>) -- Calculate the amount of bitcoin demanded at or over <pricetarget>. If '--under' option is given, find coins or at or under <pricetarget>.
gribble: There are currently 5527.276 bitcoins demanded at or over 19.0 USD, worth 105766.29329 USD in total.
mircea_popescu: markedathome i guess by now pretty much everything's somewhat connected to mpex
markedathome: doesn't really matter, you could make any sequence of chars out of something if you look hard enough. took me a while to get smpoe
mircea_popescu: there's this kaballah thing where they look for the nth letters sort of thing
mircea_popescu: jurov the collateral is 2.9x the current diff per set, so march are currently about .1 ad june about .3
jurov: yes, but the buyer doesn't know where it is exactly. especially if previous quarters are mixed in
mircea_popescu: buyer knows it's not going to be less than 2.9x whatever quarter he buys in
jurov: it can be anywhere from (lowest difficulty in this quarter)*2.9 and more
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 400 @ 0.00734477 = 2.9379 BTC [+]
jurov: we'll see how it goes after we open it. just that i think that buying future at 0.075 , while expected cover may be 0.0095 or maybe more isn't so attractive
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.00731818 = 3.6591 BTC [-]
jurov: it's lowest price offered to date. and seems nobody will sell it for less.
mircea_popescu: and for that matter i dunno if i'd buy at 7.5mn. what, diff doubles in the next six weeks ?
jurov: well, remains to be seen if it actually trades at such price
mircea_popescu: i think like 20 sold or something, but that's really nothing.
jurov: yes, i experimentally sold 20 at 0.89
mircea_popescu: i'd imagine at a bare minimum there should be 50% coverage which would put the volume in the 100k range per month or somrthing
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31595 @ 0.00066657 = 21.0603 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5899 @ 0.00066664 = 3.9325 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 370 @ 0.00066731 = 0.2469 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.00066849 = 2.1392 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2874 @ 0.00066915 = 1.9231 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 19.46042, Best ask: 19.60448, Bid-ask spread: 0.14406, Last trade: 19.46042, 24 hour volume: 49860.53894881, 24 hour low: 18.70000, 24 hour high: 19.63999, 24 hour vwap: 19.35926
jurov: zimbabwe has $247 in bank... wanna buy?
jurov: they should kick mugabe and move to bitcoin
jurov: and list on mpex, if you allow them lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00066493 = 2.8732 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22185 @ 0.00066467 = 14.7457 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1707 @ 0.00066282 = 1.1314 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15537 @ 0.00066045 = 10.2614 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2350 @ 0.00065833 = 1.5471 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: the thing is, they're not smart enough to do any of tham.
DeadWeasel: can't run a country on volatility like this. maybe later.
DeadWeasel: when I can afford my own atoll in the south pacific, i'll run my country on BTC.
mircea_popescu: DeadWeasel btc is not particularly volatile for that purpose.
jurov: would be infinitely better than their current $
mircea_popescu: most national currencies are worse than btc in that perspective.
DeadWeasel: true, they can't even control it as is.
mircea_popescu: do you think the greek drachma would have ONLY dropped 90% recently ?
mircea_popescu: for that matter, once things blow over do you suppose the usd will only drop 90% ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 200 @ 0.00734477 = 1.469 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 19.63201, Best ask: 19.70472, Bid-ask spread: 0.07271, Last trade: 19.63201, 24 hour volume: 49943.54713803, 24 hour low: 18.70000, 24 hour high: 19.70323, 24 hour vwap: 19.36427
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00066882 = 2.89 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4026 @ 0.00066915 = 2.694 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12850 @ 0.00066938 = 8.6015 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1253 @ 0.00066967 = 0.8391 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: why do women fuck better when they have real high heels on ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 300 @ 0.00731819 = 2.1955 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 300 @ 0.00731818 = 2.1955 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1100 @ 0.00730522 = 8.0357 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00066777 = 2.8854 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 517 @ 0.00066756 = 0.3451 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8583 @ 0.00066756 = 5.7297 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2373 @ 0.00066704 = 1.5829 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4844 @ 0.00066565 = 3.2244 BTC [-]
smickles: mircea_popescu: if women fuck better in highheels, I'm willing to bet that it's just a (possibly localized) social phenomenon
jcpham: my data doesn't support that hypothesis
smickles: 10 btc, It's probably just a coincidence that it's high heels, could've been converse allstars
smickles: we could probably setup a double blind crossover trial
mircea_popescu: smickles well if we just kidnap test subjects off the street its unethical and if i let you bring your own you'll cheat.
smickles: that's why it needs to be double blind
smickles: you hire impartial subject, and impartial observers
smickles: how do human trials of drugs find subjects?
smickles: or, you're saying that only sexworkers would apply?
mircea_popescu: ya but drug stuff objectively interacts with the subjects
kakobrekla: seems to me usagi has an answer to everything always just before he quits.
mircea_popescu: im saying that whoever will apply fails to represent the entire set adequately
smickles: that's were statistics come in
smickles: you'd have to have a large enough set of subjects
mircea_popescu: smickles i doubt statistics can help, because the sample is selected
smickles: and make sure they don't know whats being tested
mircea_popescu: smickles you're gonna hire people to fuck without telling them ?
smickles: naw, they know generally what they are going to do
midnightmagic: dub: What's confusing about combining monies to obscure their sources and screw up crappy "taint" analyses?
midnightmagic: IMO, it is ethical to point out, publically, serious flaws in the way information is presented to the public.
smickles: but neither the observers or the subjects know what we're trying to test
mircea_popescu: smickles then they're only representing that subsection of the population who'll generally do that.
mircea_popescu: Zimbabwe, the country that's home to some of the world's largest platinum and diamond reserves, literally has the same financial standing as a 14-year-old girl after a really good birthday party.
smickles: mircea_popescu: then we could structure it in a way that we have people in situations where the might likely have sex without being prompted, it would make it larger, take longer and be more expensive
mircea_popescu: smickles sounds like a plan. now we know what's with all the cctv
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: A little while ago, dub was saying he doesn't understand gmaxwell's mixer thing. It's not really a mixer, it's guaranteed to be essentially impossible to disentangle those sorts of transactions due to the fungibility of bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: o, that thing where he's trying to create a trail showing himself to be rich ?
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: right. but it has other uses, too.
mircea_popescu: yeah. like, for instance, privately convincing some naive people with a lot of money that you matter.
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: It is cryptographically secure; and, actually, gmaxwell is taking a bit of a risk doing it.
midnightmagic: no, it's mocking two things: 1) rich-lists, 2) taint analyses.
mircea_popescu: send your btc to mpex, withdraw it, end of story. it's as anon as it will ever get.
mircea_popescu: how are you going to disentangle btc that went through the same address ?
midnightmagic: We go to your house with a large lead pipe and start hitting you with it until you tell us.
midnightmagic: Figuratively of course; or apply legal pressure so it's not worth it to keep it secret.
mircea_popescu: i know nothing at all. you can create a gpg sig right now as 34jk5hty895ytg9g4t
smickles: mircea_popescu: the trail is by txid, addresses are just incidental
mircea_popescu: what do i know ? that it's really 34jk5hty895ytg9g4t's btc ?
midnightmagic: hrm. maybe I've misapprehended how you operate MPEX. I've never logged in.
midnightmagic: well, in that case, at the very least, there's a trust thing which can't be cryptographically avoided, unless you are doing multisig similar to what gmaxwell is.
mircea_popescu: sending to 1Fx3N5iFPDQxUKhhmDJqCMmi3U8Y7gSncx and then withdrawing has the certain advantage that you're actually in a pool of 10's of k's of btc,
midnightmagic: if I deposit 500,000 bitcoin to you, what happens if you decide to keep it?
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic deposit it over 500 transactions, what diff does it make to you ?
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: Presumably you could, if you wanted, just decide to keep it.
smickles: mircea_popescu: I believe it's more accurate to say that control of coins goes from one txid to another, rather than one address to another. the fact that it's known which address is associated with wich txid at this time is incidental
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic you don't send the 5th 1k block till you got the 4th to your addy
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: But it would be an advantage to join with all those people and withdraw, you are correct.
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic im just saying, if i were a scammer trying to part some fiat ivnestors from their money, i'd do the exact thing he's doing.
mircea_popescu: not meaning by this he is a scammer, i still think he's an idiot
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: The mathematics of it makes it impossible.
mircea_popescu: he just goes to buffett and proves to him that he owns address X
midnightmagic: it's impossible, he doesn't have sole signing authority of a multisig.
mircea_popescu: buffett has a dim understanding of taint and blockchain and doesn't read the forum
mircea_popescu: thus believes this guy actually has a billionty bitcoinz
midnightmagic: how does he prove to buffett that he "owns" the address from which the money came from? he can't.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 456 @ 0.00066565 = 0.3035 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7344 @ 0.00066502 = 4.8839 BTC [-]
midnightmagic: Okay, from the top. When someone tries to figure out a particular identity, they use the method as described in the identifying mechanisms presented at 28c3 in germany: transactions "prove" that the person who "owns" the inputs is the same person.
midnightmagic: This method can be used to collect a pile of individual txn and "collapse" all the addresses into one entity.
midnightmagic: They're different addresses though. So gmaxwell comes along and offers to join his own money into a multisig *transaction* which has an output of some other, new addresses.
midnightmagic: Now, the old methjod of collapsing identity fails. *but* individual addresses still remain the property of the original people.
midnightmagic: and *actual coinage* never actually goes through gmaxwell's hands.
midnightmagic: there's no way of "proving" that the money is in an address that gmaxwell can use to spend.
mircea_popescu: the entire process actually involves an address of gmaxwell into what'd be a single collapsed identity.
midnightmagic: so he couldn't go to buffett and prove he owns the coins without lying to him and claiming that "that one txn right there proves i could have controlled x money" because he can't forge the signature of the address from the bigspender.
midnightmagic: because I've already done it with him a bunch of times, so lemme go check and see whether it's the same thing.
mircea_popescu: dude, it's simple. currently people think they can group addies into wallets
mircea_popescu: gmaxwell is trying to collect a number of addies in varying wallets into single such collapsed presumed wallets
mircea_popescu: but it may well be to show someone who doesn't read the forum that he has a huge wallet.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1491 @ 0.00730522 = 10.8921 BTC [-]
midnightmagic: What would need to happen would be that someone would have to take the word of a totally untrusted third-party who says, "well look here, this is all from the same person"
midnightmagic: but this is the naive viewpoint, because identity collapsing could just be limited to txn which involve limited outputs.
mircea_popescu: There's addresses a1-an, b1-bn, ... x1-xn belonging to wallets A, B, ... X. Through tx collapse one can extract out of the blockchain what appear like wallets A', B', ... X'. These wallets will contain a number of addresses, which may or may not coincide with the proper a1-an set for A. In general it's safe to asume that A != A', but it may also be the case that A ~= A'.
midnightmagic: At any rate, there's no way to prove to buffett that he specifically had *control* of the coins.
midnightmagic: the spends go to completely unrelated addresses, which the end-user should be careful not to mix in terms of spending, with the input addresses.
midnightmagic: hrm. i'd have to think about it some more to agree with your statement. there's a large hand-wavey part wrapped up in the identity collapse.
mircea_popescu: well yeah. but it yields somehow some sort of A' approximation
midnightmagic: Also, when you use ~=, do you mean "approximately equals"?
mircea_popescu: in the sense that [1, 9, b] approximately equals the set of prime numbers.
gribble: There are currently 14208.378 bitcoins offered at or under 20.0 USD, worth 283035.775173 USD in total.
midnightmagic: I interpret the ~= to mean that some addresses overlap or can be related to the addresses prior, but that's what I say can't be related unless the owner of the outputs of the transactions signs a non-multisig transaction that requires A' *and* A addresses together in a single-output txn, *and* we assume that people would automatically steal from one another if they could.
dub: midnightmagic: I thought gmaxwell was generally against coin mixing, he railled aganst gpumax for that reason unless I am forgetful
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic what difference does all that make tho ?
midnightmagic: dub: Actually, he railed against gpumax because gpumax appeared to be a coin laundry that the participants were unaware of. (exchanging dirty for pristine at a premium.)
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: It means that gmaxwell can't prove to buffett that he owns those coins; and that his purpose isn't to put on a tweed coat and a bowler's hat and smoke a pipe and say he's rich.
mircea_popescu: im trying to construct the logic of this here, stay with the step we're on
dub: midnightmagic: so what he's doing isn't making laundry of btc unnecessary?
midnightmagic: lol but we can't move on without detailing the method of identity collapse.
midnightmagic: dub: What he's doing involves two or three (or more) parties who are taking an enormous risk that the outputs won't be used for nefarious purposes.
mircea_popescu: makes no difference. for all we care it can be throwing darts.
dub: its all about fungibility thought right?
dub: which is the aim of money laundering
midnightmagic: because you are formalizing something based on hand-wavey identity collapse methods which transactions like gmaxwell's proposed txn are being designed specifically to foil.
approxprime: dub: i thought gmax didn't like gpumax b/c it gave financial incentive to undermine the mineing network
dub: smickles: idk, I thought it was the laundry aspect
dub: anyway, my confusion was teh apparent about face
mircea_popescu: dude, if i say "a car will move items around the surface of the earth" a discussion of combustion engines is out of place
midnightmagic: smickles: I'm not really sure how it could except by tipping someone over 50%. pirate claimed on many occasions that gpumax often had > 50% of the hashrate but he was being responsible wiht it.
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: Hey man that's a false analogy. But if you want to rhetorically accept the "identity collapse" thing, fine. Go on then and make your point, I'll listen.
mircea_popescu: so, accepting that however flawed, nonsensical or poiintless, some sort of method makes A' out of perceived interractions in the blockchain
mircea_popescu: gmaxwell proposes to deliberately add together a3, b9, c4, f12 etc
dub: sorry, whats the difference between "identity colapse" and "money laundering"?
mircea_popescu: so as to carefully construct something that by that however flawerd, nonsensical etc method WOULD APPEAR to be a single wallet, call it G
midnightmagic: dub: One of them is a forensic analysis of transactions to determine likely owners, and the other is an attempt to use transactions to foil the methods of determining owners.
dub: midnightmagic: lol but the end result is the same no?
mircea_popescu: publicly, we have the result that indeed the method is discredited.
mircea_popescu: privately, however, if some idiot doesn;'t know about all this, we have what may be construed as a very fat wallet G
mircea_popescu: which gmaxwell can :"prove" he owns by signing with his own address
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: By the methods of identity collapse as they stand, yes, it comingles wallets and makes A B C D ... X all appear to be G
mircea_popescu: my point is entirely that some naive party may actually be thus fooled.
midnightmagic: he couldn't prove he owned them because he could prove he was able to make *all* of the signatures in the multisig. only a fraction of them.
midnightmagic: Either you or I could go prove to a naive party that we own all the bticoins in the world right now.
mircea_popescu: well yes, but this is a little more ellaborate than just "it's based on math"
mircea_popescu: now, again, im not saying this is what gmaxwell is doing
mircea_popescu: all im saying is i wouldn't participate inter alia because i have not any way of knowing this isn't the case.
midnightmagic: Cryptographic proof would require gmaxwell produce sigs which show he was the owner of *all* the inputs to the transaction.
midnightmagic: I would offer that people who would believe gmaxwell's partial multisig signatures means he owned millions of dollars maybe aren't the sort of people you want to be getting into bed in business with anyway.
mircea_popescu: people who have money are usually old. people who grok technology are usually young.
midnightmagic: I love that guy. He looks like the Architect from the Matrix.
mircea_popescu: buncha niggers got uppity, kicked out the white "opressors"
midnightmagic: Don't super-rich people usually rely on other people to tell them what's going on?
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic yeah. problem is sometimes these people are experts a la taaki.
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic right. stealing farmer's farms because they're white wasn't brutal.
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: Calling them names isn't helpful given the brutal oppression involved.
mircea_popescu: the civilisation of the human race is a work of opression. our problem is that we've stopped doing it.
mircea_popescu: "IRISVALE HALT, Zimbabwe, Jan. 17 (UPI) -- Residents of a Zimbabwe village said they've "cleansed" a medical clinic of goblins but nurses who fled the clinic are still too afraid to come back to work."
midnightmagic: i'm gonna have to back slowly away from this conversation now..
mircea_popescu: you seriously see a problem with smacking the "residents" of the hut agglomeration across the skull
smickles: i suspect the (language used in)zimbabwe to english transation which results in goblin, starts with ginger
smickles: that they arn't seriously talike about goblins
dub: thats the seat of the 'raping virgiins cures your aids' wisdom
midnightmagic: is the goblin cleanse involving people getting the shit kicked out of them?
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic i wonder how they pronounce salem in khosa
dub: unfortunately I think the reality is that our species needs quite a bit of die-back and the natural place for this to occur is the third world
midnightmagic: I see a problem with the notion that white people are blameless and that civilising people requires brutal murderous oppression.
midnightmagic: All it needs is a strong science-based education and it just naturally follows.
smickles: mircea_popescu: the only thing i have against gingers is that there is more humor revolving around gingers than mutt-american
mircea_popescu: ever since you bleedin' hearts took out the beatings nothing gets done anymore.
smickles: i don't hold that against them tho
mircea_popescu: anyway. so is zimbabwe becoming the first extrateritorial province of china ?
DeadWeasel: don't they own the majority of America's debt too?
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 19.65807, Best ask: 19.68000, Bid-ask spread: 0.02193, Last trade: 19.68000, 24 hour volume: 49442.39791191, 24 hour low: 18.70000, 24 hour high: 19.73800, 24 hour vwap: 19.37328
midnightmagic: americans seem to be more willing to just inflate their currency rather than let the chinese dominate foreign debt as much as they were.
mircea_popescu: yeah but i suspect the chinese are about a degree of magnitude more competent with infiltration
dub: <midnightmagic> All it needs is a strong science-based education and it just naturally follows.
dub: that is some religion level disconnect
dub: mircea_popescu: MAFF
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00066935 = 2.8923 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4100 @ 0.00066967 = 2.7456 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4079 @ 0.00067234 = 2.7425 BTC [+]
midnightmagic: dub: So.. I guess.. that is some religion-level context elimination
mircea_popescu: if you're going to make better people by educating them
dub: EskimoBob: stop talking to yourself crazy person, everyone else tuned you out a long time ago
midnightmagic: vitriolic people who aren't angry usually have scarier problems?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1800 @ 0.00730522 = 13.1494 BTC [-]
dub: I'd be out the door quick smart
dub: fuck work or whatever else he's doing
Bugpowder: every moment he delays is money out of his pocket
dub: boss: I've got the shits, bye
mircea_popescu: wasn't someone posting a supposed cgiminer screenshot earlier ?
dub: mircea_popescu: wizkid was trolling
jcpham: no way i'm giving that guy money
jcpham: i rememeber all his spew on the foum after pirate ditched
jcpham: he was going to "help out"
mircea_popescu: what, apprehend the evil doers and restore peace and justice
mircea_popescu: tom green is like gengis khan. somehow he's managed to have like 200 million kids.
smickles: lol, so he raised the 15million or so usd to start a credit union?
dub: I don't think he's in the US
mircea_popescu: has some funny site run off a sort of blogspot free hoster
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2385 @ 0.00066502 = 1.5861 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10450 @ 0.00066216 = 6.9196 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9350 @ 0.00065909 = 6.1625 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 85 @ 0.0075 = 0.6375 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 100 @ 0.0075 = 0.75 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: and theres some reference to having to do it in sweden somewhere
dub: they inevitably will
mircea_popescu: should have made a credit union instead of an accounting firm
DeadWeasel: it does. it's so easy it almost jumps out of my wallet.
smickles: § 54‑50. Number of incorporators; capital stock.
smickles: Any number of persons, resident freeholders of the State, not less than 15, may associate to establish an association on the terms and conditions and subject to the liabilities hereinafter prescribed. The aggregate amount of the capital stock of any such association shall not be less than twenty thousand dollars ($20,000). Such association shall mean a corporation organized under the laws of the State for the purpose of making loans upon agricultu
smickles: well, it's a little easer than arizona
smickles: but NC requires 15 peeps and 20kusd
smickles: and if he just meets the minimus, it severely limits what he can do in his operations
jborkl: Wait, I don't see the point of what he is doing. If you need to exchange there is GOX and if someone needs a loan they just go scam off the lending forum right?
smickles: mircea_popescu: actually, it changed in 1981
smickles: and an additional 75000 to be held has proof they can pay their expenses for the first year
dub: the internet might be about to have a bad day
smickles: all funds have to be withdrawable in us legal tender if requested
smickles: the administrator of it has to have a net worth of >=1.5 million usd
smickles: it needs a permanent capital reserver of no less than 500000 in addition to all this other stuff
dub: EskimoBob logic 101: 1) call eveyone names and generally make a cunt out of yourself 2) ask them to break teh law for you
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 1 @ 0.008 BTC [-]
smickles: EskimoBob: rather than circumventing local law, why don't you get the law changed?
smickles: heh, i'm sure it take longer than that, but lowering taxes ought to be popular enough
smickles: and there is probably an organization already trying to acheive the same goal
rng29a: how long does it take before a bet appears on bitbet ?
smickles: if you ain't co.ukian, i'm sure they could put you in touch with your country's similar organization
smickles: heh, an excellent reason why you should pay the vat
zerokwel: whats the point in being in politics they all as bad as each other
jcpham: smickles the credit union is Sweeeeeeeeeedish
jcpham: he complies with all Sweeeeden laws
dub: rape capital of the world
Bugpowder: wow. S.DICE over 1,100,000 BTC bet this month
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 0.9789 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 5 @ 0.95 = 4.75 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: They shipped it with a chinese power cable?
Namworld: hmm... S.DICE profits went down like hell...
Bugpowder: nobody talks about the variance when S.DICE outperforms
Bugpowder: >7000 bids over 19, >30000 bids over 18, 13000 bids below 20. I think tonight is the night
Namworld: We're not at 21k profit tho =P
Bugpowder: if your vision is only till the end of the month, disappointment is understandable
Bugpowder: If your vision is for a few months from now... that growth rate and EV return should support a higher share valuation
Namworld: It's mostly fueled by some large "whale"
Namworld: who knows when it will go away
Namworld: I prefer seeing lots of smaller gamblers growth.
Bugpowder: yes, and we have seen smaller gamblers growth too
Bugpowder: look at the betting thats going on in the 5-20 BTC range
Bugpowder: some other players that were not around last month
Namworld: I wouldn't include the whale in the valuation of S.DICE
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 700 @ 0.00734477 = 5.1413 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: There is the question of what happens if he 'runs out' of coins. Can he get more? I think that some of the whale addresses only started betting when the other ones ran out of coins.
Bugpowder: Which would imply to me that there may be other whale address out there.
Bugpowder: I didn't realize that 1Di6ux came back from the dead!
gesell: wtf, is that a USB to serial card or something like that on the avalon?
gesell: Namworld: where did you see S.DICE profs, did they give earnings?
Namworld: douglus regularly makes new graphs
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P180T] 9 @ 0.10792579 = 0.9713 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P190T] 6 @ 0.12950674 = 0.777 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: THis address topped up the 1Di6ux address with a 4104 BTC deposit after it ran dry... 1B5h9sf6xNLYGa3NBk48hwYbxyNZ22PRJk
mircea_popescu: <Bugpowder> nobody talks about the variance when S.DICE outperforms << i do lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7588 @ 0.00066522 = 5.0477 BTC [+]
rng29a: mircea_popescu: thanks, blockchain.info showed 2 already, but my bet appeared shortly after that
StarenseN: will asics affect the market prices ?
Bugpowder: it will cause X.IDIFF.MAR to rocket higher. BUY NOW!
mircea_popescu: prolly not the exchange rate. asics capital costs are already paid by buyers, maintenance is low
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder even if the avaolon full 1st batch is delivered and works it still won't push diff up by 100% right ?
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P180T] 2 @ 0.10792579 = 0.2159 BTC [-]
StarenseN: is it possible that the first ASICS will drain more BTC/day before the next difficulty adjustment ?
StarenseN: when is the next difficulty adjustement ?
StarenseN: in that way the market can fluctuate a bit
mircea_popescu: StarenseN the way it works is that diff is recalculated every 2k blocks
Bugpowder: less than a week if asics make a difference
mircea_popescu: if you double output you will do the 2k blocks in a week instead of two
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00066522 = 4.5235 BTC [+]
gribble: Current Blocks: 218801 | Current Difficulty: 2968775.3320750743 | Next Difficulty At Block: 219743 | Next Difficulty In: 942 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 7 hours, 43 minutes, and 53 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 3094501.22024 | Estimated Percent Change: 4.23494
StarenseN: ok difficulty is block based and not time based
rng29a: indirectly also time based, if the hashrate doesn't change too much
StarenseN: I where about the enter the market within the hour but now just break to see what will happen
mircea_popescu: StarenseN the entire point of ther blockchain is to offer a distributed time
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C200T] 1 @ 0.1923428 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C180T] 3 @ 0.18916129 = 0.5675 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 19.75001, Best ask: 19.77991, Bid-ask spread: 0.02990, Last trade: 19.73005, 24 hour volume: 45557.23653876, 24 hour low: 19.14901, 24 hour high: 19.78990, 24 hour vwap: 19.46727
jurov: did soebot some asic-related prediction? :P
smickles: um, no, I think it has made a prediction about a shortterm top
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7587 @ 0.00066432 = 5.0402 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9080 @ 0.0006575 = 5.9701 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8742 @ 0.00065749 = 5.7478 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38491 @ 0.00065564 = 25.2362 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.007249 / 0.00733239 / 0.00739499 (50021 shares, 366.77 BTC), 7D: 0.00598118 / 0.00715475 / 0.0075 (593129 shares, 4,243.69 BTC), 30D: 0.00085848 / 0.00473414 / 0.0075 (6562260 shares, 31,066.70 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 225 @ 0.007249 = 1.631 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 975 @ 0.00720955 = 7.0293 BTC [-]
error4734: 60btc last month for hosting/tech expenses
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11161 @ 0.00066954 = 7.4727 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10379 @ 0.00067194 = 6.9741 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11000 @ 0.00067282 = 7.401 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: originally oil cost something in the neighbourhood of nothing to extract.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6795 @ 0.00067387 = 4.5789 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00065744 = 2.8408 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11087 @ 0.00065723 = 7.2867 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20474 @ 0.00065723 = 13.4561 BTC [-]
Bowjob: oh man, just reach 20 dollar!!
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 19.86000, Best ask: 19.86998, Bid-ask spread: 0.00998, Last trade: 19.86998, 24 hour volume: 44185.78098282, 24 hour low: 19.15000, 24 hour high: 19.95000, 24 hour vwap: 19.61874
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00066046 = 2.8538 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17579 @ 0.00066064 = 11.6134 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00065754 = 2.8412 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6839 @ 0.00065723 = 4.4948 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8540 @ 0.00065564 = 5.5992 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1502 @ 0.00721632 = 10.8389 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 125 @ 0.00720955 = 0.9012 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1624 @ 0.0071864 = 11.6707 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 700 @ 0.00718003 = 5.026 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1100 @ 0.00715088 = 7.866 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 4111 @ 0.007141 = 29.3567 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 800 @ 0.00711538 = 5.6923 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 200 @ 0.00708676 = 1.4174 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00705654 = 7.0565 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 800 @ 0.00704966 = 5.6397 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00066059 = 2.8544 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2126 @ 0.00066064 = 1.4045 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18300 @ 0.00066705 = 12.207 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.0006748 = 2.9158 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8452 @ 0.00067504 = 5.7054 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 19.86000, Best ask: 19.89599, Bid-ask spread: 0.03599, Last trade: 19.86000, 24 hour volume: 44661.58410082, 24 hour low: 19.15000, 24 hour high: 19.95000, 24 hour vwap: 19.62249
assbot: I don't give a shit who saw what and who did what or who did who.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 19.86000, Best ask: 19.89599, Bid-ask spread: 0.03599, Last trade: 19.86000, 24 hour volume: 44780.72310082, 24 hour low: 19.15000, 24 hour high: 19.95000, 24 hour vwap: 19.62312
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7200 @ 0.00067504 = 4.8603 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: i wonder how much cheaper the huge aluminum box was than a normal closer fitting one
Bowjob: ah.. the money printing machine
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 19.90011, Best ask: 19.95000, Bid-ask spread: 0.04989, Last trade: 19.90000, 24 hour volume: 45453.09821842, 24 hour low: 19.15000, 24 hour high: 19.95000, 24 hour vwap: 19.62967
mircea_popescu: "i am short 20 Bitcoins to buy one of the second batch. Okay. I could go satoshidice: either i have enough or nothing"
Bowjob: I imagine my bitcoins fighting a war right now. They need to take prisoners in order to become stronger
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1020 @ 0.00067504 = 0.6885 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15330 @ 0.00067528 = 10.352 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00066785 = 2.8858 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5229 @ 0.00066754 = 3.4906 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 19.91010, Best ask: 19.91898, Bid-ask spread: 0.00888, Last trade: 19.90011, 24 hour volume: 45077.52674878, 24 hour low: 19.15000, 24 hour high: 19.95000, 24 hour vwap: 19.63169
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8754 @ 0.00066754 = 5.8436 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 19.90021, Best ask: 19.96799, Bid-ask spread: 0.06778, Last trade: 19.90021, 24 hour volume: 46055.45217062, 24 hour low: 19.15000, 24 hour high: 19.97000, 24 hour vwap: 19.64007
dust-otc: my widget said 20.0 due to rounding and I got excited
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8650 @ 0.00066988 = 5.7945 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2450 @ 0.00066766 = 1.6358 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3441 @ 0.00067517 = 2.3233 BTC [+]
Namworld: I require a large margin for options...
markedathome: tip, tip, tip, tip -> 08:51:48] <@bitcoinRT> Jan31 08:49:23 | Bid: 19.9999 | Ask: 19.99999 | Last: 19.9999 | Volume: 48530
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 19.99993, Best ask: 20.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.00007, Last trade: 20.00000, 24 hour volume: 50335.70604699, 24 hour low: 19.15000, 24 hour high: 20.00000, 24 hour vwap: 19.67112
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1850 @ 0.00066814 = 1.2361 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 880 @ 0.00067517 = 0.5941 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4482 @ 0.00067528 = 3.0266 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.0006754 = 6.754 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6488 @ 0.0006755 = 4.3826 BTC [+]
Namworld: the calls have an incredibly large "fee"
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 19.86000, Best ask: 20.21525, Bid-ask spread: 0.35525, Last trade: 20.21525, 24 hour volume: 51992.74198755, 24 hour low: 19.18697, 24 hour high: 20.39999, 24 hour vwap: 19.72306
Bowjob: Mhm, I'm wondering what will happen to the price once the rest of the Asics ship?
Bowjob: down? up? I'm confused
mircea_popescu: maximian wasn't thinking before, isn't thinking now. no cost to him :p
maximian: True. I always laugh when people make predictions like that with such conviction.
Bowjob: I wish I had a bit more conviction.. I'm so indecisive when it comes to BTC :/
mircea_popescu: as far as i can see any investing of bitcoins in fiat is very risky, speculative and dangerous.
Namworld: I only see one mention in the FAQ and it's unrelated
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1250 @ 0.00708833 = 8.8604 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1800 @ 0.00705352 = 12.6963 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.00691 = 3.455 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.0069 = 6.9 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 750 @ 0.00684879 = 5.1366 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2000 @ 0.0063 = 12.6 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 5000 @ 0.006 = 30 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2000 @ 0.00598119 = 11.9624 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 700 @ 0.00534524 = 3.7417 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: Namworld twas explained on the forum, do you want me to dig it up ?
Namworld: I'll need to put that in my bookmarks
Bowjob: Roaring 20s people. hopefully we don't crash in '29
Namworld: If only it was near the end of the month for option
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 1 @ 0.1267 BTC [-]
Namworld: lower costs, better opportunity
Namworld: ah, so if our is included, we automatically get the highest interest
Namworld: yes, we all need a lot of capital for options
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18700 @ 0.00066954 = 12.5204 BTC [-]
BUgpowder: [23:48] <BUgpowder> 4 hours left [23:48] <BUgpowder> before $20.01
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 20.13002, Best ask: 20.21999, Bid-ask spread: 0.08997, Last trade: 20.12001, 24 hour volume: 51901.07197290, 24 hour low: 19.19000, 24 hour high: 20.39999, 24 hour vwap: 19.73854
gesell: beh, who bet on the over 20 before feb 3rd bitbet?
mjrIII: i was curious about that
mjrIII: how does one exercise options on mPex
mjrIII: if you get the position through a broker
Namworld: get an MPEx account while they're cheap
mjrIII: ok, you just ask them to exercise or you get auto-exercised at the end of the month?
mjrIII: and yes, i would really like to
mircea_popescu: srsly. they started as 20 btc back when a btc was 3 bux
BUgpowder: the bot almost always pays more than the exercise price
BUgpowder: but the bot disappears in the last 24hr
mjrIII: and then would send it to me?
mircea_popescu: but yes, it's rare that you can't just sell for the same effect
mircea_popescu: <mjrIII> and then would send it to me? << i should hope so.
mjrIII: but the options...those are on the currency or on the equities you list on mpex?
Namworld: Mention this key for 5 BTC free: F12DE6B4E1EF26F5768BE918F2758D83EEEDE453
gribble: There are currently 22412.467 bitcoins offered at or under 30.0 USD, worth 549385.972055 USD in total.
gribble: There are currently 16596.262 bitcoins demanded at or over 19.0 USD, worth 322265.253218 USD in total.
gribble: There are currently 1025.417 bitcoins demanded at or over 20.0 USD, worth 20592.1874072 USD in total.
mjrIII: is an option to buy bitcoins at $20 USD at any point before the last Friday in Feb?
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 20.50010, Best ask: 20.51998, Bid-ask spread: 0.01988, Last trade: 20.50010, 24 hour volume: 53226.06221217, 24 hour low: 19.19000, 24 hour high: 20.52000, 24 hour vwap: 19.75578
Namworld: Options don't work like that on MPEx
mjrIII: thanks mircea so each option contract is for one bitcoin not lots of 100...
Bowjob: Someone stop it! Lemme dump 2k fiat first :/
mjrIII: I really love mpex by the way...
Bowjob: mp, i thought of US govt trying to do an investigation on mpex, then they read the FAQ. They read, "Yes, this is dog." then they just leave
mjrIII: but one question, how do you clear the options trades? if I have the option to buy at $20 USD, don't I have to send mpex/broker USD...how can you do this through mpex? hold on i will read the faq again
BUgpowder: so divide the strike - current price
Bowjob: S.Dice went down steeply
mjrIII: good time to get in :)
Bowjob: there's such a huge gap, 0.72-0.49
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19900 @ 0.00066954 = 13.3238 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00066766 = 2.885 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5547 @ 0.00066754 = 3.7028 BTC [-]
BUgpowder: god this is all going EXACTLY how I imagined it would happen
Bowjob: i wanna win the guess the prize contest
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00066953 = 2.893 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2200 @ 0.00066954 = 1.473 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16679 @ 0.00067347 = 11.2328 BTC [+]
Jackmaninov: Bowjob: there was no one bidding yesterday
Jackmaninov: Bowjob: no one really bids at all, hence the 0.0008 fat finger a few days back
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00066763 = 2.8848 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2924 @ 0.00066754 = 1.9519 BTC [-]
mjrIII: i hate how slow real world finance is
mjrIII: but if anyone is using bitfloor, i suggest you check out the orders on their books :)
mircea_popescu: mjrIII bitfloor is a bitcoinica clone running stolen code
mircea_popescu: i'd rather hope nobody is foolish enough to be using it.
mjrIII: sorry what is bitcoinica?
mircea_popescu: (in fact we kinda know nobody is foolish enough to be using it seeing how the recent ruby on rails vulnerability caused them no damage)
mjrIII: last night the consensus seemed to be they were ok
mircea_popescu: i dunno what "consensus" that is. but no, not ok in any estimation.
gesell: whats the state of S.DICE. Is he going to break even this month? (what I thought I was seeing from the bitcointalk thread). Why the dumping of stock?
Bowjob: No one has crashed Havelock yet
gesell: mircea_popescu: btw do you block access to your blog from certain IP's? when im on from home (which is via a proxy at all times, out of my control) I cant get to your blog. but now, i can (in a different location atm)
gesell: anyway, i read that whole thread
mircea_popescu: yeh. maybe some ppl want to send money to china and so they're selling stuff
gesell: yeah from home im going through ipreditor.se, huge proxy
gesell: we are all teh spammer
gesell: is there any historical data on mpex? graphs are nice but no x,y ticks
Bowjob: Anyone wanna buy S.dice shares at havelock?
mjrIII: mp: what do you recommend for getting btc for usd
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00067333 = 2.9095 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6948 @ 0.00067347 = 4.6793 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3481 @ 0.0006755 = 2.3514 BTC [+]
mjrIII: bitfloor was going to be my preferred option
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8564 @ 0.0006755 = 5.785 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9438 @ 0.00067553 = 6.3757 BTC [+]
gesell: some copumpkin of iphone dev team?
mircea_popescu: gesell all the trades are fed here via assbot and to twitter
mircea_popescu: bitfloor has that entire issue with negative equity atm.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00067042 = 2.8969 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12100 @ 0.00067026 = 8.1101 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1079 @ 0.00066754 = 0.7203 BTC [-]
mjrIII: yeah i heard a little about that, but i heard also that people did get bitcoins
mjrIII: i loved the fact that they offer liquidity rebates
mjrIII: someone literally told me last night, that besides the security issue, they have been fine
mircea_popescu: lol ok, besides the security issue they have been fine.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12659 @ 0.00066754 = 8.4504 BTC [-]
mjrIII: ie. they still owe him money, but they have been good to work with
mjrIII: i don't want to take any usd out, just bitcoins
mircea_popescu: if you're in and out quick enough you'll prolly be ok.
mjrIII: well, thats the other thing...i like the fact i can use ING p2p
mjrIII: i just really did not want to go through mt. gox
mjrIII: but i will look into bitcoin-central.net
mjrIII: i am assuming yurp is europe right?
mjrIII: i didn't get to go to davos this year lol
mircea_popescu: other than otc they're the only ones i ever used. not really much of an expert in tradsing btc for fiat.
mjrIII: **that was sarcasm in case anyone thinks i am a rich a$$hole**
mjrIII: well, until my FPGA mining comes on line, I need to get in now
mjrIII: see if i can get a spot on mpex :)
gesell: mircea_popescu: is there a log of assbot logs of bits on this channel? just curious how one would build and analyze historical data on their own
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12125 @ 0.00066754 = 8.0939 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: gesell well im sure some people are running loggers that are interested.
mircea_popescu: jurov is maintaining live.coinbr.com which does some graphing with trades
gesell: anyone know a website with the ticker price in the title of the page, so that i can just open a tab and look at the tab instead of opening pages or spreadsheets?
topace: ticker for what? btc/usd? mtgoxlive.com puts the price in thte <title>
gesell: mircea_popescu: yeah noticed his graphs.fairnough. just was wondering the state of things for getting data. == log this chan. tis okay
gesell: just in the title of the page (constantly changing)
topace: yea mtgoxlive.com does it in the title
mjrIII: it live updates in the title
mjrIII: only mt gox data though...love the interface wish it had more markets
gesell: oh man, in chrome wherever the BTC/USD prices is on the title its off the tab screen so
gesell: maybe i wasnt clear, im looking for the BTC/USD to show up just in the title of the webpage (<title>$19.25</title>)
mjrIII: shows up right in the tab bar
gesell: mircea_popescu: ooh, rss. thanks. that's a bit easier
mjrIII: thanks everyone, i gotta run but i'll be on later
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16900 @ 0.00066964 = 11.3169 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2992 @ 0.0006752 = 2.0202 BTC [+]
gesell: mjrIII: the clarkmoody title doesnt have the USD/BTC price ("<title>Bitcoin Data Platform | Clark Moody Design</title>")
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3100 @ 0.00066964 = 2.0759 BTC [-]
maximian: mircea_popescu: did something just change on mpex? pympex is broken.
maximian: looks like messages are being wrapped in HTML, which I don't recall happening before
maximian: <title>MPEx, the Bitcoin securities exchange.</title></head><body>-----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE-----
markedathome: gesell: moody does have last price in the title, but only when a trade has occurred. It starts off with what you posted, then becomes "(20.60002) Bitcoin Data..."
mircea_popescu: and yes, website was changed to add qty@lastprice to security pages
gesell: markedathome: thanks. not seeing that happening for me yet though
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 20.50002, Best ask: 20.52000, Bid-ask spread: 0.01998, Last trade: 20.50002, 24 hour volume: 55471.73385830, 24 hour low: 19.19000, 24 hour high: 20.75000, 24 hour vwap: 19.81501
jurov: hi all... what did i woke up to?
gesell: markedathome: yeah, chrome. notice it works fine in safari for example
markedathome: jurov: asics online and hashing by jgarzik, btc up 1$
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 450 @ 0.00726822 = 3.2707 BTC [+]
gesell: markedathome: or something is wrong with my crhome perhaps
gesell: markedathome: refreshed, now it is working
Namworld: can I have a free test account for my tool development, mircea?
Namworld: or do you have any special test command that is accepted from any gpg key?
Namworld: like TEST and it replies SUCESS from any key, regardless if registered or not?
Namworld: Seems like it would be practical
mircea_popescu: Namworld for one, it'd allow you to test if keys are registered.
mjr_: whats the command for 30 day 7 day 24 hour
mjr_: also, has anyone else seen the spike in blocks/hour?
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00064143 / 0.00066461 / 0.00067553 (1562895 shares, 1,038.72 BTC), 7D: 0.00060745 / 0.00067011 / 0.0007 (22383448 shares, 14,999.46 BTC), 30D: 0.00059445 / 0.0006563 / 0.0007 (49537424 shares, 32,511.86 BTC)
gribble: Time since last block: 5 minutes and 39 seconds
mjr_: or people cranking gpu's in expectation of asics coming lol
gribble: Time since last block: 7 minutes and 20 seconds
mjr_: yeah, just curious because of the whole avalon thing
mjr_: !ticker [MPEX:USDBTC]
assbot: Hell, ain't we about more fucked than a whore at closin' time, huh?
mjr_: exchange rate command?
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 20.65901, Best ask: 20.67000, Bid-ask spread: 0.01099, Last trade: 20.65900, 24 hour volume: 56676.40231858, 24 hour low: 19.19000, 24 hour high: 20.75000, 24 hour vwap: 19.83916
mjr_: so is there a way to get exchange rate for 1d/7d/30d ?
Namworld: keeps saying it cannot be done at this time and to try again later
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1329 @ 0.0006752 = 0.8973 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1662 @ 0.00067553 = 1.1227 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7009 @ 0.00067692 = 4.7445 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 300 @ 0.00739499 = 2.2185 BTC [+]
jurov: Namworld, me too. get used to it :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15450 @ 0.00067691 = 10.4583 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00739499 = 7.395 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00067157 = 2.9019 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7503 @ 0.00067138 = 5.0374 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10497 @ 0.00067138 = 7.0475 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5900 @ 0.00066972 = 3.9513 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1853 @ 0.00066964 = 1.2408 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00067667 = 0.6767 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 347 @ 0.00066964 = 0.2324 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6186 @ 0.00066754 = 4.1294 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00066703 = 0.667 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3567 @ 0.00066703 = 2.3793 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 883 @ 0.00067667 = 0.5975 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00067667 = 0.6767 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6984 @ 0.00067472 = 4.7122 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: gesell i guess what started things was the dwindling supply of bitcoins due to reward halving a month or so ago
gesell: mircea_popescu: so to me there is a lot of new activity from current and established users putting more of the weight into the play
mircea_popescu: buyers msitakenly figured they can delay inversting indefintiely
mircea_popescu: once the bitcoins available for sale dried up panic gripped.
gesell: mircea_popescu: is that a pattern you think would repeat in 4 years at the next halving?
gesell: why, becaue people will be aware of the behavior?
mircea_popescu: as in, the fact that some bloke heard about it first is more important than the fact that he's smart or rich.
mircea_popescu: that is changing already and in fact the random nobody will not exist in 2017.
gesell: its changing in what way, financial services (such as mpex)?
gesell: who is the antithesis to the random bloke here
mircea_popescu: well, just, the btcs are naturally leaching towards the richer and the smarter.
mircea_popescu: that's the effect of free markets, they marginalize the common man.
gesell: due to financial services? what is "smarter" in this case?
mircea_popescu: but a simple contrast : dude hears about bitcoin and instead of going on holiday buys himself miningrigs.
mircea_popescu: now, once reward halving was pinned down, the smart bought. the stupid didn't buy, because they were mommentum trading and the mommentum wasn't moving.
gesell: do you think that "smarter" will require collectivism for more impact? uncompressing that: it seems that in brick and mortar finance the bigger fish execute with greater advantage. Would this wind up being true in Bitcoin in the future: those with greater BTC are "smarter"?
mircea_popescu: by now mommentum is moving and they're maybe buying, but the rule is quite simple : by the time the stupid gets onboard the ship is already sinking.
mircea_popescu: i don't think there's any requirement for collectivism. in fact, the main seductive guile of btc to me is how prettily it completely decouples success from any sort of collective action whatsoever.
gesell: maybe i dont have my thoughts clear. im more wondering if we will start to see the little guy (even if smart in finance) feeling he can do nothing in BTC markets because he will always be out smarted by those (even with the same understanding as him in finance) that have more BTC to play
mircea_popescu: as best i can guess the effect you describe is a result of the regulatory interplay in fiat.
gesell: it is attractive that a lot of the regulatory weight in fiat is taken out of the picture
gesell: so i also feel this huge weight lifted
gesell: but wondering if im getting too far ahead of my self with optimism
mircea_popescu: exactly. that weight mostly consists in making it impossible for someone to dominate just because they're big.
gesell: and that perhaps tradition tricks of the trade will game this market as well
mircea_popescu: irl a well run bank can't compete with a "too big to fail" bank
gesell: and on that note, is sdice too big to fail (in the bitcoin world)?
mircea_popescu: there is this very loud but imo stupid group who claim that btc is inherently unsustainable because "they are finance experts and know how to break it"
mircea_popescu: to my eyes it's much akin to the 16 yo kid that "knows hax"
gesell: wait that is close to home. how is it like a 16yo that knows hax?
mircea_popescu: heh. if indeed they could "own" bitcoin through their superior trading skills they'd be doing it, neh ?
gesell: (i mean wtf was all that huge option btc stuff going on at mpex in the chat log you put up on your blog)
mircea_popescu: that was, as best i can guess, someone insuring a large btc obligation (via the calls) and someone trying to mommentum trade (short puts)
mircea_popescu: mind that the only one time someone came close to "owning" anything was august, and if that's the case the wisdom was insider information, not smarts.
mircea_popescu: other than that, the january people kinda got it on the chin, bot made 10k
gesell: beh, wish i understood typical finance more (slow going) but interesting read
mircea_popescu: if you look at the graphs, was a large chunk of btc sold off
mircea_popescu: the grapewine abuz with the theory that that's the plan, crash btc price to rebuy cheap
gesell: doesnt seem to me that this could not happen again, or many times
mircea_popescu: the many idiots with large btc holdings obtained just for being here early are now mostly bankrupt
gesell: perhaps the last ponzi (you mean pirate) but one could still game perception to swing price (if they a legitimate, non ponzi share of perceptional influance)
gesell: and use this advantage to sell high, buy low
gesell: or deal with puts, calls, etc
gesell: avalon could have just added a month delay perhaps
mircea_popescu: if you believe in markets as the ultimate allocator of resources, then that person's gain would always be smaller than the global benefit
mircea_popescu: tbh i doubt avalon turning out to be a scam tomorrow would do anything to the price.
gesell: just because there are other asics in the pipe
mircea_popescu: if all of them, bfl, avalon, asicminer, etc go the way of basic
mircea_popescu: i mean sure ppl would get excited, but so what of it ? fpga ss till hash
gesell: but some could still be something one could game if they had insider information
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.00067192 = 3.494 BTC [-]
gesell: could someone use the blockchain to sell widgets locally? That is, I sell two types of widgests: WidgetA for 1btc and WidgetB for 2btc. You want to buy WidgetA. You send 1btc to 1WidgetA1234560abcdeff rx with a message embedded where where you want it shipped. I mean, couldnt this be a service to kill silkroad?
pigeons: explain how the "with a message embedded where where you want it shipped" works
gesell: you can embed a message in the 1btc send
pigeons: what is an example method to embed the message
kakobreklaa: "send me <drugs> to my <home address>. ktnxbai"
gesell: encrypted(send me <widget> to my <homeaddr>)
pigeons: yeah what encoding method are you using to embed this message in a transaction?
kakobreklaa: the other thing is, how am i going to leave feedback?
gesell: from here you can also build the protocol ontop of the blockchain to exchange keys
kakobreklaa: sending some more coins with a note 'scam'
gesell: and yeah, you might even offer optional escrow and reputational services
pigeons: oh building a protocol on top of, yeah, see namecoin, colored coins, etc
gesell: yeah i know namecoin. learning about colored coins
gesell: a general reputation api/protocol on the block chain letting widget providers pick their reputation provider would be wicked
gesell: yeah i hear the question. im sure it might be. dont want to contemplate it
gesell: yeah havent looked into the technical details of how ripple uses the blockchain. but the p2p concept is clear. but its more about the 6 degrees social aspect
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3000 @ 0.00066957 = 2.0087 BTC [-]
pigeons: ripple doesn't use the bitcoin blockchain, but it has its own blockchain called the "ledger"
pigeons: but yes you choose which issuers to deal with and how to value them versus other issuers in ripple
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15314 @ 0.00066957 = 10.2538 BTC [-]
gesell: the advantage of using The blockchain as apposed to a new one is that you can use blockchain.info for all sorts of purposes (finding WidgedA sellers, checking reputation) and its a little harder to kill blockchain.info which has plenty of legal use, than specialwidgetsellerblockchain.info. So you could basically do silkroad without Tor
gesell: or at least, Tor is optional then
pigeons: satoshi said he prefers new blockchains for this sort of stuff
gesell: yeah well sdice told satoshi to fuck off so
pigeons: yeah what a slap, use his name for cred too !
gesell: satoshi for pres 2016, lulzsec for VP
gesell: kakobreklaa: what would be like torrent?
gesell: kakobreklaa: a seperate blockchain for widget selling?
gesell: kakobreklaa: or using the existing one
kakobreklaa: if youd kill blockchain.info, 10 more would pop up, same as with torrent sites
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1650 @ 0.00739499 = 12.2017 BTC [+]
gesell: i know but somehow i think if you kill the special widget blockchain front end (widgetblockchain.info) it would take a while to adjust.
pigeons: blockchain.info is slick, but i hate it when people think it is "official" or the only one
gesell: im trying to liberate subversive services from the Tor only option
gesell: i dont want to use use the or a blockchain as a database but also use it as the means for discovery of services, as well as the store and discovery for reputation
gesell: would be ellegant to have all of that information in the same protocol that exchanges wealth for purchase
pigeons: looks like colored coins is your best bet for that, but i still don't think the bitcoin blockchain is the best place
gesell: thanks for the rebase. time to dig into colored coin again
mircea_popescu: gesell currently the prtoblem with bitcoin is that ther blocks are too small to contain the transactions
mircea_popescu: im pretty sure your bloatyblocks with messages in them would get dropped a liot.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8936 @ 0.00066957 = 5.9833 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10300 @ 0.00067202 = 6.9218 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 314 @ 0.00067342 = 0.2115 BTC [+]
gesell: "As was widely suspected in the case of GLBSE and eventually turned out correct, the lack of track record and regulatory compliance exacerbate the risk of unclean shutdown, throwing asset issuers and holders to limbo."
gesell: anyone have a good reference on the history of GLBSE and its closure?
pigeons: gesell: its been done to death
gesell: in specific that point about "regultory compliance" id like to uncompress
pigeons: nefario is asked questions about regulation at a conference in london, he says "who cares, can't get me"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8802 @ 0.00067342 = 5.9274 BTC [+]
gribble: There are currently 0 bitcoins offered at or under 20.0 USD, worth 0.0 USD in total.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1438 @ 0.0006769 = 0.9734 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 360 @ 0.00067691 = 0.2437 BTC [+]
pigeons: 2 weeks later he says black helicopters are after him and he shuts everything down
gribble: There are currently 4974.838 bitcoins offered at or under 21.0 USD, worth 104084.623608 USD in total.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.00066942 = 7.4306 BTC [-]
gesell: pigeons: black helicopters always get the best of us
pigeons: this was a few weeks after the SEC was investigating "bitcoin denominated securites"
pigeons: and they seemed more interested in glbse when interviewing folks than in pirateat40
gesell: yeah and everyone knows the SEC loves some black helicopters
pigeons: but there is no indication that there was any contact even with nefario by them
mircea_popescu: guy just had a bad trip, ended up convinced "they're after him"
gesell: author of colored coin argues for using bitcoin blockchain is better than deploying a new chain due to security of pooled hashrate. other options given are subject to the long tail of adoption. also, still going through it, appears to focus on tie tokens to assets. the asset of a widgetA isnt so important to me as the reputation of the source (rx addr) for widgetA. So I have to contemplate how to use colored coin for reputation. but ignorin
pigeons: there is some discussion on the ripple list last couple days on this, with intended application of seller reviews
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 10 @ 0.0234 = 0.234 BTC [-]
gesell: pigeons: will check it out. thanks
gesell: ripple threat on bitcointalk or somewhere else?
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 29 @ 0.0233 = 0.6757 BTC [-]
jurov: mjrIII, btw i just added calculator to coinbr options exercise screen, if you have bought any options you can click on Exercise and see the estimated yield.
jurov: <mircea_popescu> [11:04:46] mjrIII bitfloor is a bitcoinica clone running stolen code <<< you confuse it with bitfinex, no?
pigeons: also see proposed OTC WoT v2 from #bitcoin-wot and privwiki.dreamhosters.com/wiki/Distributed_Web_of_Trust_Proposal_2
gesell: (the bible talks about a 1000 year reign of peace and tranquility. I wonder if in the end we will realize this is dependent on the dificulting of factoring 'n' into p and q)
mircea_popescu: and unrelatedly : anyone starting any sort of business and naming it bit* bitcoin* or *coin IS AN IDIOT
mircea_popescu: i can't fucking keep track of them anymore, it's all a blur. plus when i go to type into the url bar i have to type an entire word!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10600 @ 0.00067228 = 7.1262 BTC [+]
gesell: thanks mircea_popescu and pigeons
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24200 @ 0.00067228 = 16.2692 BTC [+]
mjr_: in the analogy of bitcoin as cash...
mjr_: if your harddrive crashes
mjr_: you have destroyed currency...
mjr_: in other words, there are bitcoins which can never be spent at this point correct?
pigeons: yes, i've contributed to them
mjr_: equivalent to gold in sunken pirate ships?
pigeons: in your imagination, sure why not
pigeons: yeah easier to find the gold than the chance of guessing the key
mjr_: my point was not to try and find this
mjr_: but in how it would affect the scarcity of bitcoins
mjr_: since everyone and there mom throws around the 21 million number
mjr_: just curious what effect if any that would have
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2383 @ 0.00066942 = 1.5952 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10867 @ 0.00066624 = 7.24 BTC [-]
kakobreklaa: so loosing a million coins out of 20 wont do much
jurov: lol i realized if some tards succeed to get btc recognized as currency, they can be prosecuted for debasement whenever their hdd crashes without backups
mjr_: joker style...it's about sending a message <takes hammer to hard drive>
mjr_: jurov: you mean debasement as in melting down US coins? Cuz you are actually increasing the average value i would imagine
jurov: yes, i mean it as law understands it
mjr_: some men just want to see the world burn
mjr_: so frustrated with banking right now
mjr_: 2 days to link account, 2 days to transfer
error4733: +9K since the last dooglus update for S.DICE. 20K for January
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6433 @ 0.00066624 = 4.2859 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3951 @ 0.00066611 = 2.6318 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9812 @ 0.00066611 = 6.5359 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4088 @ 0.00066566 = 2.7212 BTC [-]
error4733: 8h if you want a piece of dividends !! 10K S.DICE = 2BTC @15h15UTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 200 @ 0.007261 = 1.4522 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 300 @ 0.00726 = 2.178 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1255 @ 0.00705825 = 8.8581 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1145 @ 0.00705422 = 8.0771 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: <mjr_> since everyone and there mom throws around the 21 million number << that number will be reached sometime in 2150
mircea_popescu: tho life expectancy has been mostly growing faster than my age for the past decades.
pigeons: what is the bitbet.us link to if mircea_popescu lives to 2150?
jurov: i suspect not very high. over time there will be enough ppl willing to assassinate him
mircea_popescu: actually teh number of people willing to assasinate me is probably towards the lowest historical point atm
mircea_popescu: im only pissing off a buncha pasty ass computer geeks currently.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00066748 = 3.0704 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 15 @ 0.3351 = 5.0265 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 2 @ 0.3301 = 0.6602 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.33 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 5 @ 0.33 = 1.65 BTC [-]
pigeons: hmm i wonder is BASIC-MINING intended to mine with bASICs
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 3 @ 0.3399 = 1.0197 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.34 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18100 @ 0.00066748 = 12.0814 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00066748 = 6.6748 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4887 @ 0.00066566 = 3.2531 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.00066478 = 3.7228 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 89 @ 0.0091 = 0.8099 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 20 @ 0.0092 = 0.184 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3908 @ 0.00066401 = 2.595 BTC [-]
gesell: mircea_popescu: how often does the mpex RSS update. not showing a lot of recent trades
gesell: no i meant is there a delay from the values showing up here and showing up on the rss
mircea_popescu: at least hacven't received any complaints on the matter so far.
kakobreklaa: which remembers me i promissed some dude ill add it to bitbet
jurov: well, live.coinbr uses rss. but so far i did not notice missing trades there
jurov: btw, is the assapi public? i mean, mpex side of it
kakobreklaa: exchanges get access to url to push trades in
jurov: hmmm.. and when assbot fails,are they queued?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7600 @ 0.00066401 = 5.0465 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 6 @ 0.759 = 4.554 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2443 @ 0.00066401 = 1.6222 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7307 @ 0.00066383 = 4.8506 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5613 @ 0.00066432 = 3.7288 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5087 @ 0.00066748 = 3.3955 BTC [+]
pizzaman1337: mircea_popescu: I have a present for you in your mailbox :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4400 @ 0.00066383 = 2.9209 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12053 @ 0.00066748 = 8.0451 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 760 @ 0.00067067 = 0.5097 BTC [+]
gesell: i want to understand, but cant. not that im complaining
smickles: it's like the market was brainwashed with the phrase 'another day, another dollar'
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 20.85001, Best ask: 20.90999, Bid-ask spread: 0.05998, Last trade: 20.85001, 24 hour volume: 67820.77842782, 24 hour low: 19.39660, 24 hour high: 20.97000, 24 hour vwap: 20.09227
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 20.95000, Best ask: 21.00110, Bid-ask spread: 0.05110, Last trade: 21.00111, 24 hour volume: 70551.15359422, 24 hour low: 19.39660, 24 hour high: 21.00111, 24 hour vwap: 20.12700
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.749 = 3.745 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 200 @ 0.00705423 = 1.4108 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 155 @ 0.00705422 = 1.0934 BTC [-]
smickles: mircea_popescu: you really like to use those charts now, eh?
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 21.22165, Best ask: 21.26343, Bid-ask spread: 0.04178, Last trade: 21.26343, 24 hour volume: 71060.56862533, 24 hour low: 19.40450, 24 hour high: 21.26343, 24 hour vwap: 20.14486
smickles: mircea_popescu: oh, i was confused. I thought that blockchain chart was one of those thinkercharts you used earlier
smickles: oh, hey. is ther rota dead to the point that it shouldn't be mentioned in new contracts as the dispute resolution method?
mircea_popescu: smickles well it's only dead to the point that i wouldn't currently trust it with a case involving my or mpex's interests
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5400 @ 0.00066486 = 3.5902 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4473 @ 0.00066912 = 2.993 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77 @ 0.00066951 = 0.0516 BTC [+]
smickles: so if it's at or near 30 tomorror, probaby time to buy some puts or somehting
BingoBongo: Well, Thursday was the day last week for a spike followed by "This is moving too fast" sobriety
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 20.80001, Best ask: 20.88000, Bid-ask spread: 0.07999, Last trade: 20.90996, 24 hour volume: 72209.06640419, 24 hour low: 19.40450, 24 hour high: 21.30000, 24 hour vwap: 20.22626
thestringpuller: i read in fortune in 2011: we dont know of it is a bubble until it pops
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller by the time you're buying it it will be
smickles: thestringpuller: generally, you cut losses and let profits ride, that's why, when you suspect a bubble, you don't sell all. you hedge your position
smickles: essentially, weaken future potential profits in order to preserver the current ones
gesell: mircea_popescu: do you see any new companies coming into the mpex fold? also i assume you just avoid including all the miner pools, correct?
gesell: by coming into the fold i mean, ipos
mircea_popescu: in practice, good companies with revenue and market don't much want to list because why share your profits
mircea_popescu: and also why put up with idiots a la PsychoticBoy eskimoblob etc filling up the forum with nonsense
gesell: to support bitcoin, aggressive expansion (advertising)
gesell: pizzaman1337: to cover their risks, and expansion
mircea_popescu: pizzaman1337 well, for multiplereasons. there's a lot of benefit to being listed as a dice site
smickles: lol, that image.. the "why did I get this?" link
mircea_popescu: because you can very convincingly argue you can afford to pay wins
PsychoticBoy: <mircea_popescu> and also why put up with idiots a la PsychoticBoy eskimoblob etc filling up the forum with nonsense<< LOL
gesell: mircea_popescu: is any part of the process and application for ipos public, posted as news, by you or them? or is it pretty much until it happens. i mean, even knowing when a new company will release ipos there might be a nice way to get an alert
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11350 @ 0.00066951 = 7.5989 BTC [+]
DeadWeasel: I don't think bitcoin needs 'aggressive expansion'.
gesell: mircea_popescu: yeah that is the means for exploring signing up with you. im just curious if investors can get a headsup when this starts, or at least when its going to happen. rather than just refreshing the mpex website all the time
mircea_popescu: gesell in general ipos are announced in advance. were you around during the bbet ipo ?
gesell: no, i wasnt. left the scene for a while until dec last year
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12423 @ 0.00066951 = 8.3173 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2177 @ 0.00067067 = 1.46 BTC [+]
gesell: where do you anounce, on blog (with a certain category i can monitor) or here, or twitter, or?
mircea_popescu: ok, so, site was opened for beta, it was announced it will ipo in 5 days,
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4956 @ 0.00066707 = 3.306 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11050 @ 0.00066656 = 7.3655 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3494 @ 0.00066647 = 2.3286 BTC [-]
gesell: where was it announced, blog and mpex site, that all?
mircea_popescu: in general i'll say something here and mpoe-pr will make an announcement on forum
gesell: sorry to get specific but id just like to monitor the progress
mircea_popescu: course people are allowed to announce their ipo wherever they want
smickles: aslo, it shows up on mpex.co, but you're unable to trade it
gesell: im just assuming there will be a day im not so active with bct and might only monitor once a month
gesell: but there are certain things id like to know right away
gesell: such as new companies going public'ish
mircea_popescu: well, if anyone actually starts a real analyst service for btc finance
mircea_popescu: it really boggles me that this isn't moving, the need for btc finance news is marked and yet... crckets
gesell: someone should just grab googles and others from the forum and cuddle them for a while, until eventually having such a service
gesell: goodles, whatever his name is
gesell: the couple pay for btc financial analysis services seem like crap, that are out there at the moment
DeadWeasel: problem is the forum isn't good new with so much trolling, and google pickups are too sparse. but in time news should pick up enough.
mircea_popescu: DeadWeasel i imagine something like a blog would be great.
smickles: 't need to provide the service
smickles: just build the organization which pays the the people who do
mircea_popescu: i think tbh, most people on mpex are btc addicts, reading it all multiple times a day
smickles: how hard is it to receive btc payments and pay employees/contractors/freelancers?
DeadWeasel: that would fit the definition of blog. trolling and updated every 3 days or less
gesell: smickles: a spreadsheet?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11150 @ 0.00066647 = 7.4311 BTC [-]
smickles: gesell: how much would you pay for a subscription to 'btc finance'
gesell: mircea_popescu: yeah feels like a lot of day traders around (or that type of fervant observation)
mircea_popescu: gesell i suppose the alternative would be to just invest in a fund, and let the manager worry about daily news
mircea_popescu: of course, due to the idiocy that was glbse, it will be a little while yet before people trust such funds
gesell: smickles: i'd expect it to cover options, dirivitives, cover some hot topics ("why 21 without huge influx of new users?", with data) and have code to pwn blockchain analysis. I'd pay a BTC a month at the moment
gesell: and im sure those with more money in the market would pay a lot more
gesell: also, consider that your "experts" will get requests from big players. you will note on the sdice analysis thread mr sdice asked two people for help in analysis privately
gesell: so you'll have consultancy on the side
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 4450 @ 0.00651702 = 29.0007 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1550 @ 0.00651712 = 10.1015 BTC [+]
smickles: ok, who would be willing to write these articles for .3 btc per article?
gesell: i think you just find the people doing it and pay them a little to do it as a collective. you guide them in how to give enough information publicly but have more privately. for example dougles could put half the detail he does on his analysis of sdice and still provide huge value publicly and the rest privately
mircea_popescu: i doubt you could get him to go for a scheme like that
gesell: for example, was thinking about this today
gesell: the analysis sdice is nice but i'd like to see someone reverse engineer the blockchain to try to determine the PRNG sdice is depending on, then explore potential weaknesses or just confirm there are none. Maybe show where in the history the PRNG changed. but thats more hacker type of analysis
gesell: to me they all mix though
smickles: yeah, thing about dooglas, anyone could do that. so if you put up a pay wall, someone else will run the script publically
gesell: psuedo-number-random-generator
gesell: i dont know the internals yet but i assume the calculations on winning nubmers depend on some randomness
smickles: well, i have a hunch I could produce 1 article per day, if only I had the writers
mircea_popescu: "Pastebin dump of a letter from SEC sent to several people who ran "funds" on GLBSE. Forum statements about people calling the attorney on the letter and providing statements. Not clear if it was just elaborate trolling..."
gesell: im also assuming a PRNG is involved (/dev/random, etc)
mircea_popescu: the randomness for s.dice is provided by the blockchain itself.
gesell: yeah and extrapolate back to where bitcoin depends on a PRNG
Bugpowder: S.DICE back over 20,000 for the month
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 49 @ 0.0069328 = 0.3397 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: smickles there were rumours of some actual glbse investigation, i was never able to obtain anything whatsoever
gribble: There are currently 0 bitcoins offered at or under 20.46 USD, worth 0.0 USD in total.
gribble: There are currently 530.07335 bitcoins offered at or under 21.46 USD, worth 11327.2941393 USD in total.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1 @ 0.00724211 BTC [+]
smickles: Bugpowder: would you write articles about the btc finance world for a starting wage of .3 btc per article?
smickles: you'd get raises proportional to the # of subscribers :D
jurov: bugpowder, i can throw in another 0.3
smickles: jurov: you can be a subscriber, i'm the boss here
gesell: mircea_popescu: yeah i guess i should understand how sdice works
mircea_popescu: everyone wants to be an entrepreneur, nobody wants to do any work anymore
smickles: btw jurov, would you write articles for .3 btc each starting out ?
jurov: maaybe somethign short. when i'm in mood
smickles: it doesn't have to be long, just newsworthy or quality information
gesell: I'll retweet Bugpowder for 0.03btc
pigeons: i pastebinned the letter i got from the sec, i verified it was from the sec, i know lots of people who talked with the sec and they wanted to know, "how did you get your glbse account?" "who promotes glbse?" etc
smickles: ok, what about 2.1 BTC per article?
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 499 @ 0.01 = 4.99 BTC [+]
jurov: 2.1BTC is much fairer game
mircea_popescu: honestly, i think the only way that idea will work is owner-operated
Bugpowder: yeah you want to make money on the back end too
mircea_popescu: don't tell me ruby is blown wide open twice in three weeks
gesell: yeah this is in yaml JSON processing, and we know btc looooves them some JSON
DeadWeasel: and those are the KNOWN vulnerabilities
mircea_popescu: anyway, vircurex/cryptostocks got owned, bitfinex escaped through global disinterest.
jurov: gesell, what about php :D
mircea_popescu: there's plenty more on ruby. glbse escaped through being already dead.
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 100 @ 0.0075 = 0.75 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 25 @ 0.0265 = 0.6625 BTC [+]
smickles: well, 10 subscribers per writer at 1btc per subscription means 1 article per week per writer. writers paid 2.1 btc per article, and a decent rake for the operator
gesell: (ruby, pyton, whitespace)?
DeadWeasel: owner operated with ad rev is your best bet
jurov: these "technical anal" dudes get paid quite nicely i heard
gesell: whats technical anal? and ill try to avoid all the puns that come to mind
smickles: DeadWeasel: i think you're wrong, a few people have already said that they'd pay 1 btc per month
smickles: gesell: technical analysis applied to bitcoin
jurov: many of them have closed paid newsletter
gesell: i really find that site stupid
gesell: it states the obvious and draws sime lines
gribble: Current Blocks: 211512 | Current Difficulty: 3438908.9601591 | Next Difficulty At Block: 211679 | Next Difficulty In: 167 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 2 hours, 15 minutes, and 22 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 3385331.85509049 | Estimated Percent Change: -1.557968114
jurov: and ddif goes down. yea.
mircea_popescu: bitcoincharts reports Difficulty 2968775 Estimated 3111301 in 800 blks
smickles: 1btc per month, news and research on all the 'bitcoin assets'
jurov: i can write funny summary of happenings between ukto and burnside :D
jurov: including the aftermath, they tend to come to me separately for a cookie and soothing word
smickles: I think i can get dooglus to present information tailored to shareholders, rather than just the curious
smickles: *shareholders and potential investors, that is
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 21.25025, Best ask: 21.38000, Bid-ask spread: 0.12975, Last trade: 21.25000, 24 hour volume: 80777.74688070, 24 hour low: 19.42552, 24 hour high: 21.43000, 24 hour vwap: 20.34921
gesell: does anyone know if exchanges operate their own bots. ive noticed bots responding to bids with <500ms delay to my bids on one exchange
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5106 @ 0.00066647 = 3.403 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00066384 = 2.8685 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4297 @ 0.00066383 = 2.8525 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7102 @ 0.00066299 = 4.7086 BTC [-]
gesell: smickles: throw into it your monitoring of this channel and mpex. get share holder info automated where possible, have an article every month... a couple other pretty graphs. and your done
gesell: for instance, historical data of mpex might be usefull and not provided anywhere yet
gesell: mircea_popescu: bitcoin-24
gesell: smickles: most of it could be public. for instance mircea's insight on pirate insider trading. but you could have comments to that private to subscribers
gesell: already with that you provide a nice community
gesell: smickles: mircea_popescu might even help you by giving you a dump of the historical trades ;)
gesell: bitcoin-24 is very close to mtgox price
jurov: i'll write a book "MPEx: The Missing Manual" and sell it for 10BTC. dead trees only.
gesell: they take no cover for trades
gesell: bitcoin-24 is only based on donations atm
gesell: scary as sht from the security perspective. but then again, maybe they their money by cherry picking trades via the backend and bots
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2926 @ 0.00066299 = 1.9399 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2772 @ 0.00066299 = 1.8378 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5650 @ 0.00066144 = 3.7371 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4378 @ 0.00066042 = 2.8913 BTC [-]
DeadWeasel: I'll OCR that shit and sell it for 5BTC, of course I'll only sell one before it's a torrent, and we're both screwed.
DeadWeasel: How about someone writes a guide on how to handle their taxes when they have BTC?
gesell: then ill take the torrent, cut it up into tweet size segments, and embed it in the blockchain
gesell: man that message feature for the chain is gonna be a disaster some day
gesell: then again, maybe its exactly what moorse law needed
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00065258 / 0.0006662 / 0.00067692 (1721184 shares, 1,146.66 BTC), 7D: 0.00061382 / 0.00067113 / 0.0007 (22322554 shares, 14,981.48 BTC), 30D: 0.00059445 / 0.00065641 / 0.0007 (49935623 shares, 32,778.42 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20122 @ 0.00066042 = 13.289 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 283 @ 0.00065946 = 0.1866 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4100 @ 0.00065946 = 2.7038 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: jeez negative q4 gdp. they're fucked over there aren't they.
DeadWeasel: can anybody point me to a guide on how to pay taxes on my BTCs? Do I need to?
jurov: your computed catched that bitcoin malware
DeadWeasel: you don't pay taxes when you buy whatever it is to play farmville, right?
JohnGalt1337: dunno about us tax code, but you have to tax any income but from games it is usally too small
JohnGalt1337: if it's under 20k you have it's meh, over that ask some tax advisor
DeadWeasel: and it's not income until you sell it, right?
JohnGalt1337: that's for sure, some countries may have fictive income
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 7 @ 0.0217 = 0.1519 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 171 @ 0.0216 = 3.6936 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 10 @ 0.0215 = 0.215 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.0213 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.021 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 150 @ 0.0202 = 3.03 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 50 @ 0.0201 = 1.005 BTC [-]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.0006596 = 2.8501 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 879 @ 0.00065946 = 0.5797 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1241 @ 0.00668864 = 8.3006 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 59 @ 0.00665746 = 0.3928 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C190T] 5 @ 0.20602845 = 1.0301 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C180T] 5 @ 0.23256963 = 1.1628 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C160T] 5 @ 0.29273405 = 1.4637 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11788 @ 0.00065946 = 7.7737 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6363 @ 0.00065883 = 4.1921 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 2 @ 0.0074 = 0.0148 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3937 @ 0.00065883 = 2.5938 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13450 @ 0.00065725 = 8.84 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14184 @ 0.00065669 = 9.3145 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2829 @ 0.00065564 = 1.8548 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2394 @ 0.00066117 = 1.5828 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5142 @ 0.00066223 = 3.4052 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2900 @ 0.00066591 = 1.9311 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 554 @ 0.00067067 = 0.3716 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00067103 = 2.8995 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4839 @ 0.00067104 = 3.2472 BTC [+]
kakobreklaa: maybe they are having a drink with tom somewhere
imsaguy: You know who else was always cocky with the clients? Pirate and that ended well.
mircea_popescu: i had just about zero faith in any of them people producing working asic miners.
mircea_popescu: course, it's still not cut and dried, the recent uptick in hashrate may well be people putting old gpus online cause of price increase
imsaguy: price increase>difficulty increase
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3100 @ 0.00067103 = 2.0802 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: i imagine with btc over 20 pretty much everyone turned on everything they could.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 21.19101, Best ask: 21.24999, Bid-ask spread: 0.05898, Last trade: 21.29900, 24 hour volume: 88825.09670330, 24 hour low: 19.51123, 24 hour high: 21.43000, 24 hour vwap: 20.45318
gribble: 1 BTC = 21.29900 U.S. dollars = 15.7188192 Euros
jurov: just 0.04 from that bitbet bid... as if exactly calculated to keep the suspense
jurov: (disclosure: I have bet No)
Bugpowder: DeadWeasel, IANAL but a conservative position would be that any dividends or payments to you in bitcoin is considered income at the current exchange rate and should be reported. Any price gains in bitcoin holdings would be treated as capital gains upon sale of the coins
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder the btc graph is copying your portofolio graph
imsaguy: Where's the short squeeze when you need it?
imsaguy: mircea_popescu, you know as well as I do, that things won't run away forever
imsaguy: at some point, there is always a ceiling
imsaguy: well, given your track record with asics, that means nothing.
imsaguy: jcpham, I'm pretty long ;)
jcpham: that's what the the ladies say about me too
jcpham: you can squueze my shorts
jcpham: i'll make a video for you
jcpham: showing my shorts be squoze
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6106 @ 0.00067089 = 4.0965 BTC [-]
DeadWeasel: Bugpowder: that's what I expect. Fortunately I've realized no gains as I've sold nothing. I only hold BTCs, not assets, I'm here trying to figure out if I want to.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 700 @ 0.00689774 = 4.8284 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1100 @ 0.00693297 = 7.6263 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 300 @ 0.00698411 = 2.0952 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15450 @ 0.00067089 = 10.3653 BTC [-]
gribble: There are currently 20903.827 bitcoins offered at or under 25.0 USD, worth 479496.181721 USD in total.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 21.10002, Best ask: 21.21999, Bid-ask spread: 0.11997, Last trade: 21.21999, 24 hour volume: 89530.44568844, 24 hour low: 19.51123, 24 hour high: 21.43000, 24 hour vwap: 20.47918
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5577 @ 0.00067089 = 3.7416 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16300 @ 0.00067104 = 10.938 BTC [+]
mod6: It looks like it might run up to $25 though. The word is out on coinz though. My buddies keep blowing up my phone "OMG MOD6 MAKE US POKER SITE NOW!!!111"
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 100 @ 0.0074 = 0.74 BTC [-]
mod6: I mean these guys are not IT people or anything, just poker guys who are dying to play online again.
mod6: gonna just have to get some seed money maybe to hire d00dz to help me with dev. or clone myself 69 times.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6311 @ 0.00067104 = 4.2349 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21689 @ 0.00067228 = 14.5811 BTC [+]
mod6: ya! i told 'em about seals with clubs
mod6: haha. i dunno. i liked seals with clubs.
mod6: i played there a few times when coins were like $3
mod6: just checkin it out... you know?
awkorama: mod6> so you are putting together an it team for poker site?
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 30 @ 0.0091 = 0.273 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1551 @ 0.00067089 = 1.0406 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3299 @ 0.00066114 = 2.1811 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1221 @ 0.00067224 = 0.8208 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6824 @ 0.00067228 = 4.5876 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 800 @ 0.0068976 = 5.5181 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 200 @ 0.00724211 = 1.4484 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: micon is marginally relevant. i mean, he's the site's stuffie. who cares whart he does ?
mircea_popescu: i'm just guessing it's a waste of effort to reimplement something that already exists and works.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.69 = 1.38 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 6 @ 0.685 = 4.11 BTC [-]
rng29a: mircea_popescu: it's very slow today
mod6: awkorama: well, I guess im gonna be meeting with some of these guys to see if they wanna put their money where their mouth is.
mod6: I'll let yall know what's up, I'm certainly gonna need dev help.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 672 @ 0.00683849 = 4.5955 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 3 @ 0.3299 = 0.9897 BTC [+]
mod6: Well, from what it sounds like, they want something similar to Pokerstars
mod6: These guys were told about btc and poker a while ago but they blew it off. Now they want to get their foot in the door.
mircea_popescu: i wouldn't mind listing a poker site if it were any good.
dub: hehe you're asking for it
mod6: well, these guys already have a firm foothold in legal gambling here in mn anyway.
mod6: so... im not sure. gotta talk to 'em and see what makes sense. I think they're starting to see that BTC is the way of the future. Imagine all of the old ladies and their iPad's playing slots at home...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14800 @ 0.00067228 = 9.9497 BTC [+]
mod6: ding ding ding ding ding
mod6: but yeah, I'll really need the help with some of this stuff if they're serious. I'll let you guys know more when I do :)
dub: what we need is a big hack, gox would do
error4734: something big is going on for hacking in BTC !
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1281 @ 0.00668006 = 8.5572 BTC [-]
mod6: well, hacks come and go. they're there to remind us to secure our BTC properly, right?
error4734: it's good is just for small change
mod6: I thought it was gonna be the asics too.
mircea_popescu: we need a strategic diversion before they blow up as scams
dub: im guessing its evorhees getting gitmo'd
dub: him or that mircea_popescu guy
mod6: let us srsly hope not.
mircea_popescu: bah. why doesn't anyone think erik is mpoe-pr instead!
error4734: srsly, how much beer do you drink before writting this FAQ ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8300 @ 0.00066191 = 5.4939 BTC [-]
jurov: apparently im using blockchain.info too much.. they just shown me windows xp boot gif instead
error4734: but tmrw if some1 want to put 2M$ on table, idk if he'll thinks like me
mircea_popescu: if he doesn't he's free to go get himself scammed and learn the hard way.
jurov: he can use coinbr, then :DDD
dub: do you even faq bro?
jurov: yes. much better one then btctalk
jurov: but they came late i think
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 21.09991, Best ask: 21.16990, Bid-ask spread: 0.06999, Last trade: 21.09991, 24 hour volume: 88274.64269609, 24 hour low: 19.51123, 24 hour high: 21.43000, 24 hour vwap: 20.53304
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.65 = 1.95 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100 @ 0.00066191 = 0.0662 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2811 @ 0.00067228 = 1.8898 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11850 @ 0.00067411 = 7.9882 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8509 @ 0.00067487 = 5.7425 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30 @ 0.00067507 = 0.0203 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1514 @ 0.00666937 = 10.0974 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 886 @ 0.00669921 = 5.9355 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1238 @ 0.00678949 = 8.4054 BTC [+]
burnside: <jurov> i can write funny summary of happenings between ukto and burnside :D
burnside: we'll be best friends some day.
Ukto: mircea_popescu: married w/ kids. so prolly not
mircea_popescu: sounds like something that'd make a good luis de funes comedy by now.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12600 @ 0.00067507 = 8.5059 BTC [+]
burnside: yeah, I love the bitfunder charts
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C190T] 1 @ 0.16602013 BTC [-]
burnside: I used that same engine for charts on a previous project
burnside: I was graphing the weighted price per Mh on several of the leading mining assets on GLBSE using it
burnside: got frustrated with a few things, went a different direction for btct
burnside: might end up going back, it'd be an easy swap
burnside: right now? just because there are higher priority (read: more fun) things to work on
Ukto: stupid carriers using stupid equipment
Ukto: trying to turn up another gige, and their brocade XMR is being stupid over port negotiation
burnside: we've had good luck with brocade, but don't use them for transit, only internal switching and load balancing
Ukto: one gige on one module/port is fine. they just shippd a newer model card out for our latest gige, and it wont turn up. apparently there is a firmware bug effecting the newer card.
Ukto: which means HE.net has to do a full firmware upgrade on that core router
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2118 @ 0.00067507 = 1.4298 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15532 @ 0.00067536 = 10.4897 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C190T] 1 @ 0.16599164 BTC [-]
Ukto: I told them "that, or just overnight another older module"
Ukto: spent the last week trying to get this port up, to be told its our side the entire time, yet the port works fine with L3/GBLX, nLayer, Equinix's switching fabric, and our own internal stuff.
Ukto: Configing cisco is not hard. speed neg, or noneg.
Ukto: They have a rock solid network
Bowjob: No, I mean the profits.
Bowjob: that whale got slaughtered
burnside: I love their free ipv6 tunneling service
Ukto: Besides, being a firmware issue, I can understand their expectancy the issue being on my side
Ukto: same for brocade, simple commands to configure a port.
burnside: yeah, not the behavior you'd expect for sure, definitely not something you'd think would require firmware updates
Ukto: wtf. did gox just frop from 21.14 to 20.82? x.x
Ukto: hopefully it will last
Ukto: burnside: besides, if its the carrier the cusomer chooses to pay for, I am happy making money on it. ;)
Ukto: EskimoBob: did you know you can drag-zoom on the graphs? ;)
Diablo-D3: Ukto: he.net sucks dongs sometimes, btw
Ukto: Diablo-D3: depends on where I think
Ukto: my HE stuff in Armster and euro work just as good as in dallas
Ukto: Diablo-D3: Equinix, in all locations
Ukto: well, all my locaitons
Ukto: not in all of theirs lol
burnside: yeah, if the customer wants cheap bandwidth, no reason to not give it to 'em. better to keep 'em happy and take a cut.
kakobreklaa: >>Yeah. The BTC-sphere is like in the meatspace: you may be punished just for pennies, but if you scam really big time you become Too Big To Jail. Learn the lesson and don't trust anyone ever more, especially the big fat fishes with super-hero rep.
Ukto: i hate having to pay $200 to have them do a hard loopback in other countries jsut to test a fiber
kakobreklaa: fuck i need to scam one or two to lower my rating
kakobreklaa: cant get any biz with perfect grade anymore!
Diablo-D3: kakobreklaa: I dont trust anyone, to be honest
Diablo-D3: no investing in other bitcoin companies
Diablo-D3: not even asicminer, the only successful bitcoin company ever
Diablo-D3: kakobreklaa: trusting me isnt the issue
Ukto: other companies non-bitcoin related can be just as bad
Diablo-D3: kakobreklaa: hell, Im paying out of my own pocket to deal with this shit, and Im permabroke
Ukto: the only think you can trust a bank to do, is win
kakobreklaa: and how much did it cost you out of your pocket so far?
Diablo-D3: EskimoBob_afk: because I usually dont take programming jobs
kakobreklaa: its preety hard to go broke with a deflationary bitcoin
jcpham: how are you today EskimoBob_afk
Diablo-D3: kakobreklaa: I have about 240 btc in my wallet thus far
jurov: kakobreklaa i can re-rate you for the fsa stuff, no problem
jcpham: damn Diablo-D3 is ballin'
Diablo-D3: kakobreklaa: which is better than the 0 that nefario left us.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.00066923 = 2.1415 BTC [-]
kakobreklaa: Diablo-D3 how much did it cost you from your own pocket?
Ukto: my 7yr old son just came to me takling about plant vs zombies. and says "I wanna be a game designer when I grow up. You know what game I wanna make? Plant vs zombies 2"
Ukto: I simply told him its already in the works
Ukto: his response was "Poopies!"
Diablo-D3: kakobreklaa: I could sell the 240 btc and not have to worry about money for awhile.
kakobreklaa: Ukto i thought it would be : "how about 3?"
kakobreklaa: that you are paying out of your pocket not to be a fuckin scammer
Diablo-D3: kakobreklaa: it means the 240 btc are out of my own pocket and will be spent on DMC.
Ukto: PotsiRewards: whats up with the nick?
Ukto: its the cousin of a ponzi
Ukto: same thing, just diff clothes :P
jurov: lmao i already got several times my initial btc investment back...
Diablo-D3: kakobreklaa: and remember, I also burned the shares I had in DMC as well
Ukto: burnside: do you think the avalons will start to make a dent in the mining assets value?
Ukto: good enough for me, whre do I invest?
burnside: Ukto, I'm it will. I'm not sure how much, but the assets that don't have asic plans are going to get kind of ugly
PotsieRewards: throw your money at the screen and watch it fall back in your lap
Ukto: PotsieRewards: 1 sec
Ukto: WOOH, I just made $500!
pigeons: I am Mr. Messan Johnson Esq from Lome Togo. My new company very trust #1
dub: mircea_popescu: is it in a tube? :)
Ukto: Bowjob: was a jooke about throwing money at the screen
Diablo-D3: kakobreklaa: I mean, you can say what you want, but at least Im trying to fix it the best I can
dub: ;;google FRAENC pate
kakobreklaa: hey im just trying to grasp whats happening
dub: my google bubble returns a bunch of crypto related links
mircea_popescu: they don't look young enough t obe adopted PotsieRewards
Diablo-D3: kakobreklaa: the short of it is nefario in league with people issuing fake mining bonds to steal money from investors
dub: nothing pate related at all
Diablo-D3: kakobreklaa: DMC was renting mining power from these people
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3445 @ 0.00067536 = 2.3266 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14150 @ 0.00067596 = 9.5648 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20058 @ 0.00067626 = 13.5644 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6056 @ 0.0006769 = 4.0993 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2991 @ 0.00067691 = 2.0246 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: kakobreklaa: until we could afford to build the DC and install our own mining hardware
Diablo-D3: kakobreklaa: when glbse collapsed, two of these investments seem to have just walked away
Ukto: Fusion energy is the way to go
Diablo-D3: kakobreklaa: the third is asicminer which has not yet paid dividends yet (they should begin mining first week of feb)
Diablo-D3: Ukto: solar and wind IS fusion energy.
Diablo-D3: Ukto: why build fusion reactors when we're in orbit around a gigantic fusion reactor
pigeons: what are the 2 that walked away
Ukto: I was working on a way to collect head from my DC and transform it into energy
error4733: massive lobbing try to keep this idea true
Diablo-D3: kakobreklaa: and its not, its just that most people, such as yourself, simply does not understand solar
burnside: DC pumps out a ton of heat. I wish I could just pump it to local houses or something, sell it somehow.
Diablo-D3: burnside: a DC doesnt NEED to pump out a lot of heat
kakobreklaa: Diablo-D3 i installed about 1 megawatt of solar power plants
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1550 @ 0.00665746 = 10.3191 BTC [-]
pigeons: Diablo-D3: is this the same btc-mining that is now on btct.co?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1800 @ 0.00673464 = 12.1224 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 152 @ 0.00678949 = 1.032 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: pigeons: yes, the same one namworld manages
burnside: Diablo-D3, it does when a bunch of the boxes are mining coins. ;)
burnside: We're actually pretty green. We cool with outside air 80% of the year
pigeons: what does namworld say about that? is he paying dividends over on btct?
Diablo-D3: burnside: DMC's DC was specializing in high density compute, bitcoin doesnt quite fit that definition
Diablo-D3: pigeons: amazingrando basically fucked him and everyone else
Ukto: burnside: I ran dual redundant 400kva liebert ups at my last facility, had redundant megawatt feeds comming in. our usage peaked at about .7mw
Ukto: so we generated a lot of heat. ;)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3250 @ 0.00067421 = 2.1912 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: pigeons: theres no dividends to pay because amazingrando isnt paying them out
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6199 @ 0.00067691 = 4.1962 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3251 @ 0.00067709 = 2.2012 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: burnside, Ukto: dmc was going to be doing rack densities of 25-30kw per rack.
Ukto: I designed a custom "green" handler for the heat. setup the heat flow to vent the heat out of the building, and in winter, sucked in cold air from the other side
Diablo-D3: Ukto: thats called an air economizer, btw
Ukto: let me tell you, it cut down my chilled water bill like mad ;)
Ukto: building was a little annoyed tho
burnside: We had to do a custom gig too, the economizer unit for our air handler was going to be 10x what we could build ourselves.
Ukto: cause while I pushed my hot air out, and had my air handlers for the chilled water, I was sucking cold air in from the building. :P
Ukto: their engineer gave us permission. LOL
Diablo-D3: Ukto: DMC was going to use a combination of air economizers and in row water chilling using hot aisle containment
Ukto: Diablo-D3: honestly its overkill
burnside: haha, that's awesome. feeding on the building hvac?
Diablo-D3: and then use on-site vertical geothermal pumps to pull up extra cold water
Ukto: I was using the badass APC cabinets
Ukto: and was talking with them about doing door based chilled cooling units
Diablo-D3: Ukto: btw, what I said isnt overkill when you're doing 25-30kw per rack
Diablo-D3: the industry average is 2-4kw per rack, never filled to max
Ukto: what are you putting in the cabinets
Diablo-D3: but most likely tightly packed blades and thumpers
Ukto: and your charging them $10~15k ?
Diablo-D3: Ukto: probably $20k-$25k with all the power you need
Ukto: lemme tell you, i had to push hard to get a good deal out of equix for it
Diablo-D3: Ukto: Im being lazy, whats that in watts
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 200 @ 0.00706606 = 1.4132 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: you're only using that in the whole rack? wtf
Diablo-D3: Ukto: btw, since the DC is in maine and we get ice cold weather 3 months of the year, and pretty chilly weather 6 months of the year
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13599 @ 0.00067709 = 9.2077 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3701 @ 0.00067745 = 2.5072 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: it could be up to 3 months of AC not running
Diablo-D3: just air economization and thats it
Diablo-D3: Ukto: okay so, 4.8kw _the whole rack_ and its all blades top to bottom?
Ukto: The cab has 4 30amp 240v circuits
burnside: I wish we'd built out like that
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6191 @ 0.00067745 = 4.1941 BTC [+]
Ukto: ppl who dont use 240v loose money
burnside: 10 yrs ago we thought 4x20A 120v per rack was insane
Ukto: so much more efficient
burnside: we're having to redo a lot of it now
Ukto: my site used to allow up to 4x 30amp 240v primary
Ukto: an 50ton leibert air handlers for chilled water lining the walls
Ukto: save money by controling air needs
Ukto: if only half your facility is in use
Ukto: you use dampers to control airflow, and only put perpherated tiles where you need them
Ukto: if your pressure drops, you need to turn another unit on.
burnside: we did some math and didn't think the perforated tiles had enough surface area to cool the higher heat racks
Ukto: depends on design and use
Ukto: as I said, I was talking to APC abotu chilled cab doors
Ukto: and decided to do bottom tile-fed vented distributed doors
Ukto: that I had custom made
Ukto: so air was fed via the bottom cold side of the cabinet
Ukto: into a thin airshaft that ran up the door with air vents
Diablo-D3: [05:02:11] <Ukto> an 50ton leibert air handlers for chilled water lining the walls
Diablo-D3: its so goddamned fucking inefficient
Diablo-D3: use hot aisle containment with in row chillers
burnside: what's the temperature differential between the bottom of the rack and the top?
Ukto: hence why I changed things
Diablo-D3: hot air goes right into the cooling units
Diablo-D3: burnside: a lot if you're doing shit wrong
Ukto: burnside: front side was a reverse design with intake fans
Ukto: so most heat was quickly removed and replaced with cold
burnside: I mean on the cold side, with it coming from the bottom up, did you see a wide swing in the intake temp on the servers at the top of the rack?
Ukto: even the heavy loaded cabs maintained a high of 80degrees
Ukto: it wasnt that bad, about 4 degrees
Ukto: there were fans in the intake door at 2points
Ukto: so air would amke it all the way up
Diablo-D3: Ukto: btw, the cab mounted chillers I dont like
Ukto: this was optional to the customer
Ukto: they could choose to use the flow doors for free
Diablo-D3: they're too expensive and they're not redundant enough
Ukto: (which they always did)
Ukto: but the had to plug the fans into their own power
Ukto: never a had a customer who didnt want/use em lol
Diablo-D3: if you're using in row cooling, if one of that row's chillers dies, the other take up the slack
Ukto: Diablo-D3: umm, the system was fully redundant
Ukto: since I was basically n+3 units
Ukto: and you maintain pressure for the whole floor
Diablo-D3: Ukto: I dunno, all the chillers Ive seen that replace the backdoors are still just one chiller unit
Ukto: this wasnt a chllder door
Ukto: i had custom doors machined
burnside: I think Diablo was referring to the APC units you decided not to use
Ukto: ah yeah, it was somethign they were talking about back in.. 2008?
Diablo-D3: burnside: I said in row, not In-Row(tm)
Diablo-D3: yes, APC calls their in row shit In-Row(tm) its annoying
Ukto: not sure if they made them public, but were offered at enterprise levels
Diablo-D3: they do make shit that glues to their APC cabs though
Diablo-D3: back door and front door replacements that force feeds the rack
Diablo-D3: but it still takes up room in the goddamned row, its not a backdoor chiller assembly
Diablo-D3: its like a single rack hot aisle containment
burnside: I get the feeling that those get used a lot more at small business setups where they end up with a rack of gear in a 4'x4' closet.
Ukto: it contains the hot air
Ukto: and when I asked about it
Ukto: they said your supporsed to contain, and colelct the hot air
Ukto: on a per hot isle basis
Diablo-D3: hot air containment works wonders, but that is NOT how its done
Diablo-D3: we were going to have raised floors too, but only for the water
Diablo-D3: outside air vent shit and electricity and net was going to be overhead
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 257 @ 0.00706606 = 1.816 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17953 @ 0.00067098 = 12.0461 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5197 @ 0.00067098 = 3.4871 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11151 @ 0.00066923 = 7.4626 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9702 @ 0.00066627 = 6.4642 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 343 @ 0.00706606 = 2.4237 BTC [+]
Bowjob: would you guys say that s.dice is still a good investment @ 0.007xx
jcpham: i wouldn't know Bowjob i do not gamble
jcpham: god punishes wicked sinner gamblers
assbot: No darn tobacco, thats for sure.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 540 @ 0.00724211 = 3.9107 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9550 @ 0.00067317 = 6.4288 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16300 @ 0.00067317 = 10.9727 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 850 @ 0.00067066 = 0.5701 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1104 @ 0.00067044 = 0.7402 BTC [-]
assbot: !ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO)
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00534524 / 0.00699327 / 0.00739499 (89508 shares, 625.95 BTC), 7D: 0.00534524 / 0.00715946 / 0.0075 (624824 shares, 4,473.41 BTC), 30D: 0.00085848 / 0.00475863 / 0.0075 (6578516 shares, 31,304.74 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 373 @ 0.00066987 = 0.2499 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BVPS] 17 @ 0.01499991 = 0.255 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 748 @ 0.00066627 = 0.4984 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2050 @ 0.00066426 = 1.3617 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1134 @ 0.00066322 = 0.7521 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 35 @ 0.00724211 = 0.2535 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 157 @ 0.001599 = 0.251 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2200 @ 0.00066322 = 1.4591 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00066987 = 2.6795 BTC [+]
Namworld: How many shares did ASICMINER sell?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9539 @ 0.00066322 = 6.3265 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4823 @ 0.00066987 = 3.2308 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6100 @ 0.00067317 = 4.1063 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1994 @ 0.00067706 = 1.3501 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00534524 / 0.00698411 / 0.00739499 (87243 shares, 609.31 BTC), 7D: 0.00534524 / 0.00716125 / 0.0075 (623659 shares, 4,466.18 BTC), 30D: 0.00085848 / 0.00476381 / 0.0075 (6548683 shares, 31,196.73 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5160 @ 0.00067204 = 3.4677 BTC [-]
gribble: There are currently 21301.298 bitcoins demanded at or over 19.0 USD, worth 421722.684703 USD in total.
gribble: There are currently 2446.5034 bitcoins offered at or under 21.0 USD, worth 51124.3598663 USD in total.
gribble: There are currently 0 bitcoins offered at or under 20.0 USD, worth 0.0 USD in total.
gribble: There are currently 10170.349 bitcoins demanded at or over 20.0 USD, worth 205310.829868 USD in total.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 674 @ 0.00724211 = 4.8812 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 926 @ 0.00727013 = 6.7321 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4100 @ 0.00067678 = 2.7748 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7035 @ 0.00067204 = 4.7278 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 20.55104, Best ask: 20.69999, Bid-ask spread: 0.14895, Last trade: 20.70000, 24 hour volume: 99996.90950064, 24 hour low: 19.51123, 24 hour high: 21.43000, 24 hour vwap: 20.58455
error4733: Bitcoin is to fiat what kryptonite is to superman.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 205 @ 0.00067204 = 0.1378 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3977 @ 0.00066322 = 2.6376 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1757 @ 0.00066159 = 1.1624 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.01 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23382 @ 0.00067686 = 15.8263 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13556 @ 0.00067706 = 9.1782 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6258 @ 0.00067745 = 4.2395 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.000678 = 6.78 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7504 @ 0.00067812 = 5.0886 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [SYNERGY] 2 @ 0.13 = 0.26 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [SYNERGY] 1 @ 0.1102 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [SYNERGY] 1 @ 0.1101 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [SYNERGY] 10 @ 0.11 = 1.1 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7723 @ 0.00067604 = 5.2211 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6818 @ 0.00067604 = 4.6092 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11632 @ 0.00066147 = 7.6942 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8450 @ 0.00066438 = 5.614 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.29 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 4 @ 0.2802 = 1.1208 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 8 @ 0.28 = 2.24 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.2639 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.25 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 12 @ 0.2402 = 2.8824 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 25 @ 0.2401 = 6.0025 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: <Namworld> How many shares did ASICMINER sell? 20k of 40k total issued
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13250 @ 0.00066438 = 8.803 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2650 @ 0.00066228 = 1.755 BTC [-]
Namworld: If only GLBSE hadn't been closed
Namworld: I lended them for shorting, and the shorting contract specified if shares weren't trading at the time of expiry, I'd be paid a 1 BTC compensation instead of getting shares.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13050 @ 0.00066228 = 8.6428 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2768 @ 0.00066147 = 1.8309 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5982 @ 0.00066127 = 3.9557 BTC [-]
Namworld: and yeah, so ASICMINER never started being traded again after GLBSE closed, they were not reissued
Namworld: So shares could not be bought back for me
gribble: Next Price Estimate: 22.823889 | Next Price In About 3 days, 1 hour, 40 minutes, and 4 seconds
smickles: you nethash is bigger than mine :o
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.705 = 2.115 BTC [+]
Ukto: no one wants to sell their asicmining shares
Ukto: I have asked around
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00534524 / 0.00698261 / 0.00739499 (87093 shares, 608.14 BTC), 7D: 0.00534524 / 0.0071615 / 0.0075 (625259 shares, 4,477.80 BTC), 30D: 0.00085848 / 0.00476452 / 0.0075 (6549766 shares, 31,206.53 BTC)
Ukto: no, bitcoind foundation has one too
Ukto: charles / yankee of bitinstnat was there and saw/played with it in person
mircea_popescu: Ukto pity they STILL haven't gotten with the program and listed
Ukto: but yeah there it is :)
Ukto: they have a special one with an xtra asic module
Ukto: Anyone wanna sell ASICMINING shares? pm me :)
Ukto: as doubtful as it is
smickles: I think owning one of those is outside of their misson statement
smickles: or, at least, their 3 primary objectives
Namworld: I technically should have 827 shares left of ASICMINER
smickles: I took: < Ukto> no, bitcoind foundation has one too " to mean that they owned one
Ukto: have one in their posestion, not sure if they paid for it
smickles: all i see is a long list with polimeda at the top, and no understanding to be had
smickles: it looks like he's bragging about something
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5400 @ 0.00066488 = 3.5904 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4800 @ 0.00066979 = 3.215 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00066276 = 2.8638 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9650 @ 0.00066268 = 6.3949 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 979 @ 0.00066127 = 0.6474 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4239 @ 0.00066127 = 2.8031 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 661 @ 0.00066115 = 0.437 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 1 @ 0.1175 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 1 @ 0.1174 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GOLD] 1 @ 0.8304 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.705 = 2.115 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 85 @ 0.1172 = 9.962 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 3 @ 0.1171 = 0.3513 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [MININGCO.ETF] 1 @ 0.5198 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00066133 = 2.8576 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19100 @ 0.00066131 = 12.631 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2343 @ 0.00066114 = 1.5491 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LTC-MINING] 1 @ 0.4 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00066961 = 2.8934 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14088 @ 0.00066979 = 9.436 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-MINING] 1 @ 0.4999 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3660 @ 0.00066132 = 2.4204 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12390 @ 0.00066114 = 8.1915 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5550 @ 0.00066024 = 3.6643 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.3399 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [SYNERGY] 1 @ 0.12 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.707 = 2.828 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1763 @ 0.00066979 = 1.1808 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00067811 = 2.9301 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2116 @ 0.00067812 = 1.4349 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-GOLD] 1 @ 0.0321 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2180 @ 0.00067812 = 1.4783 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00067821 = 2.9305 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11832 @ 0.00067822 = 8.0247 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2367 @ 0.00067863 = 1.6063 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.0239 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 124 @ 0.00727013 = 0.9015 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 700 @ 0.00066033 = 0.4622 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8490 @ 0.00067863 = 5.7616 BTC [+]
Ukto: working on one of the various evil schemes. ;)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.707 = 1.414 BTC [+]
Ukto: If its not evil, it just cant be good. ;)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.708 = 2.124 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.71 = 7.1 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 27 @ 0.725 = 19.575 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13543 @ 0.00067863 = 9.1907 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9957 @ 0.00067913 = 6.7621 BTC [+]
Ukto: I prefer playing sith when playing star wars. ;)
Ukto: its just more.. fun
evoorhees: I could never play evil in the video games, I always felt guilty
Namworld: I'm having fun with google spreadsheets and JSON
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.000669 = 2.8907 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19429 @ 0.00066879 = 12.9939 BTC [-]
Namworld: fetching all sorts of data automatically
Namworld: I'll have an auto-updating summary of my holdings and their value
Namworld: Sadly, MPEx has no JSON api I think
mircea_popescu: <evoorhees> I could never play evil in the video games, I always felt guilty << whoa!
Diablo-D3: Namworld: did you ever talk to amazingrando?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1071 @ 0.00066879 = 0.7163 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2416 @ 0.00066025 = 1.5952 BTC [-]
Namworld: I added him 2 days ago on skype, no news yet
mircea_popescu: the girl has meanwhile managed to open a rift with hearn too.
mircea_popescu: i wonder how long before the bitcoin coder & geek community gets together a possee and comes to hang me.
Namworld: Anyone interested in a release of javascript functions for Google Spreadsheets?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1176 @ 0.00067913 = 0.7987 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00067916 = 2.9347 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8000 @ 0.00067917 = 5.4334 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1903 @ 0.00067981 = 1.2937 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00067562 = 2.9194 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4217 @ 0.00067538 = 2.8481 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00067549 = 2.9188 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14583 @ 0.00067538 = 9.8491 BTC [-]