tmsr - Log 2013-01-11

Bugpowder: This is not a bad point "Sounds like a dumb idea, until you realize that Chuck E. Cheese and similar businesses have, for decades, been using a similar tactic to avoid running afoul of gambling laws: You're not playing for gifts or money, you're playing for worthless tokens!"

Anduck: i received some btc.. but no idea why

Bugpowder: how much Anduck?

Anduck: <1btc

Bugpowder: I got 16BTC that just showed up one day

Anduck: but i think it was divs

Anduck: or somethign

Anduck: aight

Bugpowder: From and unknown address

Anduck: well i think this is legit and someone sent it on purpose

Bugpowder: figured it was Nefario fucking up again

Anduck: but i just cant remember what

mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2013/sbbet-its-happening/

mircea_popescu: last minute release.

mircea_popescu: some financials etc.

mircea_popescu: Anduck maybe you bet ?

Bugpowder: God damn it, who do I email for some credits

mircea_popescu: ahaha

mircea_popescu: me.

Anduck: mircea_popescu: maybe

Anduck: i did bet

Anduck: but no idea on what

Anduck: and how much

mircea_popescu: so check the resolved bets lol

Anduck: REALLY THIS IS .... SHIIT

Anduck: ok

mircea_popescu: and you can search the site for the addy

Anduck: can i search the site with my addr?

Anduck: ahh, nice

mircea_popescu: kakobrekla geniously implemented that "useless" feature

mircea_popescu: which i realise actually kicks ass.

Bugpowder: Easiest 2.5 BTC I ever made

Anduck: mircea_popescu: i've made 2 bets with my address

Anduck: search only shows 1

Namworld: fuck

Bugpowder: Shoulda added 50 BTC to over 14.17

Namworld: I still can't read dammit

mircea_popescu: Namworld proxy ? fix browser ?

mircea_popescu: teh possibilities!

mircea_popescu: Anduck oh ?!

Namworld: Can't you at least make public announcement not require credits? Such as MPOE statements and such?

Anduck: let me double check

mircea_popescu: sure i can. i just don't want to.

Namworld: I can understand for the various articles to read. I don't see why announcements should be limited.

jurov: namworld: http://www.proxies.by/cgi-proxy.htm

dub: way

dub: wat*

dub: no httpd logs?

mircea_popescu: well, they're not

jurov: i use this. with noscript, ofc.

dub: the fuck

kakobrekla: Anduck pm me the addy if ya want i can double check

Bugpowder: I just made like 35000 trilema credits

mircea_popescu: unless you're an avid readed of teh site, that is.

mircea_popescu: Bugpowder omg hax ?!

Bugpowder: naw

Bugpowder: over 14.17

Bugpowder: +2.54 BTC

mircea_popescu: lol. wd.

Bugpowder: #WINNING

Bugpowder: email me the deposit address. I want credits.

Namworld: I'll use Google as a proxy

Bugpowder: ;;ticker

gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 14.02859, Best ask: 14.12999, Bid-ask spread: 0.10140, Last trade: 14.12999, 24 hour volume: 52066.63099603, 24 hour low: 13.75001, 24 hour high: 14.32000, 24 hour vwap: 14.03725

jurov: ..till mircea starts to ask google for payment

Bugpowder: ;;calc 1/14.03

gribble: 0.0712758374911

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 426 @ 0.00469697 = 2.0009 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2400 @ 0.00469313 = 11.2635 BTC [-]

mircea_popescu: i think this is called making bitcoinz hand over fist.

dub: "blocks" : 166185, nope

mircea_popescu: hm ?

Namworld: hmm... what is this 7.5 BTC outlay?

mircea_popescu: each bet receives .1 btc from the house.

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1300 @ 0.00456388 = 5.933 BTC [-]

Namworld: oh

Namworld: That means bets under a 10 BTC total are a loss

mircea_popescu: well no, cause house can't lose BOTH ends of a bet.

mircea_popescu: at most house loses .9 btc per bet if the odds are split 9:1 and the unlikely side prevails.

mircea_popescu: but in general cost per bet should be < .5

mircea_popescu: we;ll have better data after some months obviously.

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1716 @ 0.00464427 = 7.9696 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 484 @ 0.00470668 = 2.278 BTC [+]

Namworld: oh, the .1 is bet on one side

mircea_popescu: no, the .1 is total.

mircea_popescu: split accordsing to some evaluation of odds.

mircea_popescu: the proposer gets the smaller side.

mircea_popescu: and my .9 btc above should have been 0.09

Bugpowder: I am freaking stoked for the variable decay

mircea_popescu: and cost 0.05

mircea_popescu: Bugpowder :D

Namworld: oh, I see

Bugpowder: Going to market make for NFL bets next round. Hopefully the shallower decay curve will encourage more voting due to better EV throughout the betting period

Bugpowder: The cool thing about variable delay is that the decay basically functions as a vig for the early bettors (like the proposer)

mircea_popescu: kinda the idea of decay in the first place.

Bugpowder: What is the optimal decay rate for a single event at a scheduled time in the future

mircea_popescu: :D

mircea_popescu: you should write a bitbet white paper.

Bugpowder: I will for 20 BTC

mircea_popescu: hm

Bugpowder: actually no

mircea_popescu: i was just about typing i'll send you a modest btc sponsorship

mircea_popescu: but 20 btc ain't modest! it's like over 9 thousand hashes!

Bugpowder: WEll

Bugpowder: I dunno

mircea_popescu: lol

Bugpowder: starting tomorrow I am going to be spending a lot of time on a startup idea

mircea_popescu: i doubt anyone cnat raed well enough to actually copy your shit.

Bugpowder: so a whitepaper on bitbet might not be in the cards

mircea_popescu: a well.

Bugpowder: BUt there are some simple point

Bugpowder: points

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 683 @ 0.00456388 = 3.1171 BTC [-]

Bugpowder: It is beneficial for the proposer to place as much capital as possible on the bet

Bugpowder: to encourage betting

mircea_popescu: not really.

mircea_popescu: if he places 21 mn capital he just killed betting.

Bugpowder: heh

mircea_popescu: but you see my point.

mircea_popescu: there's an optimum.

Bugpowder: with any time decay, you get free odds

Bugpowder: err

Bugpowder: free vig

Anduck: yeah it was a bet i got the btc parts from =D

Bugpowder: and you want to minimize the amount the odds change when other people bet, to encourage them from making bigger bets

Bugpowder: bigger bets = bigger wins and bigger profits for bitbet

jcpham: http://jcph.am/2013/01/10/mining-interlude/

mircea_popescu: this in principle is true

mircea_popescu: Bugpowder re the vig thing : it's not that simple. on one hand it will have to cover btc free rate

mircea_popescu: on the other, if it's too large people wil ljust skip the bet.

mircea_popescu: so it's a balancing act.

Bugpowder: exactly

mircea_popescu: Denver Broncos over Baltimore Ravens really is 1:3 ?~

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 170 @ 0.00456388 = 0.7759 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 996 @ 0.00456311 = 4.5449 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1816 @ 0.00470668 = 8.5473 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 634 @ 0.00471508 = 2.9894 BTC [+]

dub: jcpham: how much does your power cost?

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 400 @ 0.00471508 = 1.886 BTC [+]

Namworld: Mine costs 0.075 CAD per kwh

dub: nice

Namworld: I don't mine however =/

dub: jcpham: trap is the new dubstep

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1200 @ 0.00457039 = 5.4845 BTC [-]

dub: I predict it will last about as long

dub: ie, 13 seconds

dub: dj dub's acid test of genre longevity: if I can mix it flawlessly without the use of ears, watching the waveform in serato only, its doomed

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1006 @ 0.00457039 = 4.5978 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1044 @ 0.00456311 = 4.7639 BTC [-]

mircea_popescu: "* I have taken the unusual step in this case of not linking to this racist lunatic's foul-mouthed outpourings which I've had the misfortune of stumbling across previously."

mircea_popescu: ahaha!

mircea_popescu: people love trilema.

mircea_popescu: $217.28 monthly minus power. Facepalm.

mircea_popescu: lol poor jcpham

dub: powering my GPUs costs more than that

dub: for like 1.5GH

thestringpuller: i was told at work today airbnb is on the up and up

thestringpuller: your old friend mircea_popescu

mircea_popescu: yea, sure.

thestringpuller: they being my bosses, said it was on some top 10 list

thestringpuller: along with dropbox

thestringpuller: lol

jurov: top 10 ideas with highest buoyancy as teh manager say

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 460 @ 0.00456311 = 2.099 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 272 @ 0.00456208 = 1.2409 BTC [-]

mircea_popescu: o i see

mircea_popescu: well then it must indeed be a real business.

mircea_popescu: liek, you know, dubstep

mod6: WOMP WOMP WOMP

mod6: ^^^ what dubstep sounds like

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16100 @ 0.00063493 = 10.2224 BTC [+]

Namworld: Hmm... 1200 BTC profit in a year estimate? Decent.

Namworld: I grossly rounded the number but eh

Namworld: More like 1300

mircea_popescu: i woulsdn't put much weight on 5 days extrapolarted to 1 year

Namworld: yeah, me neither.

Namworld: I'd expect it to be lower. Maybe 300-600.

mircea_popescu: or why not 300-600k

Namworld: Hmm. Because I don't see that much demand for event betting.

mircea_popescu: o rly.

mircea_popescu: well, in simple terms : it has half the fee of s.dice and about twice the fun

mircea_popescu: betting is huge business, 500k btc is nothing.

mircea_popescu: so... yeah. that figure's mostly meaningless.

Namworld: Well, gamblers are often impatient... hence why they gamble instead of buying a S.DICE share... they want to win right away, get more.

mircea_popescu: sure.

Namworld: Well, for sport events, there is a lot of demand.

Namworld: I just don't see much demand for that elsewhere either in bitcoin, at least for now.

tzui: betsofbitco.in failed so far

mircea_popescu: tzui management problems.

tzui: are you the lead developer of bitbet?

mircea_popescu: no.

Namworld: I'm sure mircea/kako could even get sections with default bets for every match for certain sport events and other enat features rolled out.

tzui: that is why bitbet has such a great design

midnightmagic: http://bit.ly/UOPcS4 lol

midnightmagic: ZOMG GLOWING ASTEROID

mircea_popescu: Namworld possibly but i'd rather it be done by people.

mircea_popescu: same model that pushed mpex.

mircea_popescu: midnightmagic coming right at ya ?

tzui: bitbet needs an entertaiment category

Namworld: Hmm... 8 minutes before IPO

mircea_popescu: tzui likely ya

tzui: either mircea is manipulating or there are some big time idiots bidding

mircea_popescu: can't say i haven't heard that before.

mircea_popescu: entertainment added too.

Namworld: the 1.8 million is 500 BTC =/

tzui: lol

tzui: S.DICE IPO

Bugpowder: 4 minutes?

Namworld: yeah

mircea_popescu: im kind of excited, see if this fucks up lol

Bugpowder: lol

tzui: some buys don't make any sense there are huge gaps

jurov: *makes extra backup*

kakobrekla: http://live.coinbr.com/?mpsic=S.BBET

kakobrekla: how 'live' is this?

kakobrekla: is it live live?

mircea_popescu: it should be

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1100 @ 0.00456955 = 5.0265 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1528 @ 0.00456208 = 6.9709 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 54 @ 0.00456198 = 0.2463 BTC [-]

jurov: not animated. you have to refresh

kakobrekla: stop teasin assbot

mircea_popescu: lmao

assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.00055 = 5.5 BTC

assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 4500 @ 0.00055 = 2.475 BTC

assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 5500 @ 0.0005 = 2.75 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.0005 = 5 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 4500 @ 0.0005 = 2.25 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 5500 @ 0.0005 = 2.75 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.0005 = 5 BTC [-]

tzui: lol

assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.0005 = 5 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 9500 @ 0.0005 = 4.75 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 500 @ 0.000337 = 0.1685 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.000337 = 3.37 BTC [-]

mircea_popescu: o hello

assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.000337 = 3.37 BTC [-]

mod6: here they come!

assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.000337 = 3.37 BTC [-]

Anduck: soo it started?

assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.000337 = 3.37 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.0004529 = 4.529 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 2347 @ 0.0035 = 8.2145 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 7653 @ 0.0004529 = 3.466 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.0004529 = 4.529 BTC [-]

mircea_popescu: mmm

mircea_popescu: i guess twitter crapped out ?

tzui: shit didn't get any

mircea_popescu: 0.00034174 10`000

mircea_popescu: 64`147 0.00033800

mircea_popescu: gap.

kakobrekla: ya well should have used asspost api

mircea_popescu: heh i guess so. next on the list, that.

jurov: and get kicked cause of flookding, lol

Namworld: well didn't get anything =/

Namworld: Way overpriced bids coming in.

assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 4646 @ 0.00045931 = 2.134 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.00047309 = 4.7309 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.00048729 = 4.8729 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.00050191 = 5.0191 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.00051697 = 5.1697 BTC [+]

kakobrekla: o i got something

assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.00053248 = 5.3248 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.00054846 = 5.4846 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.00056492 = 5.6492 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.00058187 = 5.8187 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.00059933 = 5.9933 BTC [+]

Bugpowder: got i suc

Bugpowder: god i suck

Diablo-D3: so

Diablo-D3: btc-mining will never pay anything?

assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.00061731 = 6.1731 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 4000 @ 0.00063583 = 2.5433 BTC [+]

Namworld: If Amazingrando just disappeared, not likely =/

Diablo-D3: goddamnit man.

mircea_popescu: Bugpowder what happened ?

assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 6000 @ 0.00063583 = 3.815 BTC [+]

Bugpowder: I need a password that is easier to type

assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.00065491 = 6.5491 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.00067456 = 6.7456 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.0006948 = 6.948 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.00071565 = 7.1565 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.00073712 = 7.3712 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.00075924 = 7.5924 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.00078202 = 7.8202 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.00080549 = 8.0549 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.00082966 = 8.2966 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.00085455 = 8.5455 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.00088019 = 8.8019 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.0009066 = 9.066 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.0009338 = 9.338 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.00096182 = 9.6182 BTC [+]

mircea_popescu: ok, so ipo results : 1420000 shares sold, 671.58363400 total shit

assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.00099068 = 9.9068 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.00102041 = 10.2041 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.00105103 = 10.5103 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.00108257 = 10.8257 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.00111505 = 11.1505 BTC [+]

mircea_popescu: i was just doing the sumups lol

assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.00114851 = 11.4851 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.00118297 = 11.8297 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.00121846 = 12.1846 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.00125502 = 12.5502 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.00129268 = 12.9268 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.00133147 = 13.3147 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 8587 @ 0.00137142 = 11.7764 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1146 @ 0.00456198 = 5.228 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1204 @ 0.00456034 = 5.4906 BTC [-]

mircea_popescu: whoa

assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 1413 @ 0.00137142 = 1.9378 BTC [+]

mircea_popescu: o sdice. lol.

assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.00141257 = 14.1257 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.00145495 = 14.5495 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.0014986 = 14.986 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.00154356 = 15.4356 BTC [+]

Diablo-D3: lol

dub: its this still IPO?

assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.00158987 = 15.8987 BTC [+]

Anduck: mircea_popescu: think.. really people pay 10k USD for bitbet shars I AM TRULY AMAZED NOW

assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.00163757 = 16.3757 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 3014 @ 0.0016867 = 5.0837 BTC [+]

mircea_popescu: Anduck you fail to grasp the power of mpex.

assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 6986 @ 0.0016867 = 11.7833 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.00173731 = 17.3731 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.00178943 = 17.8943 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 3696 @ 0.00184312 = 6.8122 BTC [+]

Anduck: Diablo-D3: i hope even you can see the NOSENSE AND STUPIDITY here, right???? right??? RIGHT???

Namworld: well darn... some people... 0.0018, really?

Anduck: indeed..

Anduck: really???

mircea_popescu: ok if everyone's done moving i can make the reports ?

Anduck: should've bought some for "cheap" and sell for 100x for stupid people

Bugpowder: lol

assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 8000 @ 0.00175 = 14 BTC [-]

Bugpowder: I'd wait a bit

mircea_popescu: 1`032.04540552 btc, o fuck me

Bugpowder: lol

Bugpowder: YES

assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 20000 @ 0.00175 = 35 BTC [-]

tzui: ol I thought 0.0005 was expensive

mircea_popescu: wait. what ?!

mircea_popescu: o, profit taking

Anduck: tzui: it is, very

mircea_popescu: dude this ipo will go down in history.

Bugpowder: this is fun

Namworld: oh... I actually catched 20k shares at 0.0003

Namworld: for 7 BTC

Anduck: mircea_popescu: people are stupid. gratz, you and mpex proved it ! =)

Bugpowder: we should do this every day

Anduck: Namworld: sell them supafast

dub: woah assbot outspammed supa

Namworld: could flip those for 35 BTC easily

Anduck: do it man xD

mircea_popescu: lol dub

Anduck: u can get even more, Namworld

assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 7000 @ 0.00175 = 12.25 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 1740 @ 0.00175 = 3.045 BTC [-]

Bugpowder: It's very educational what happened here

mircea_popescu: mkay, fuck this, im doing the math.

Bugpowder: everyone tried to sandbag

Bugpowder: but when the market went up

Bugpowder: mob buy panic

Bugpowder: and....

mircea_popescu: 1`096.34040552 btc total, 1800436 share count

Bugpowder: the mob might be right

mircea_popescu: ;;calc 1096.34040552 / 1800436

gribble: 0.000608930506566

Anduck: but really.. that's just nonsense

kakobrekla: !ticker m s.bbet

assbot: If the milk turns out to be sour, I aint the kinda pussy to drink it.

mircea_popescu: a-ha!

kakobrekla: i cant even use my own shitz

dub: how many shares IPOd?

mod6: haha

lyspooner: what's this bbet thing

Anduck: i mean

mircea_popescu: http://live.coinbr.com/?mpsic=S.BBET

mircea_popescu: check it

mod6: !ticker MPEX S.BBET

mircea_popescu: dub 3mn

assbot: If the milk turns out to be sour, I aint the kinda pussy to drink it.

assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 6853 @ 0.001 = 6.853 BTC [-]

mircea_popescu: lyspooner http://mpex.co/?mpsic=S.BBET

Anduck: i can only say that people are truly stupid.

Bugpowder: 1.77MM

mircea_popescu: dude srsly, we get it. you were blown away by the market.

Bugpowder: sold thru

mircea_popescu: doesn't on the face of it mean anything other than you werw wrong.

tzui: 16btc profit:)

Anduck: mircea_popescu: how much % of the bitbet you and kakobrekla still own after ipo?

lyspooner: tldr me now

jurov: *coinbr users are kindly asked to check their orders*

mircea_popescu: lyspooner new parimutuel site.

mircea_popescu: Anduck about 83%

Anduck: yeah

mircea_popescu: 82% something like that

Anduck: and u sold like 17% of them..

Anduck: let's say u sold 20% of it

Namworld: each 10k block is like 0.1%

mircea_popescu: Bugpowder was saying 17.7

Anduck: and u got what, over 1000 btc?

mircea_popescu: like 1k yeas

Anduck: i mean what the duck people

Bugpowder: 177 blocks sold

Anduck: :D

Bugpowder: fuck I should have bid .6

Anduck: 14000 USD for selling _a little part_ of a just started betting site+?

Bugpowder: insteday of niping

Bugpowder: well

Diablo-D3: !ticker

assbot: Provide exchange and ticker.

Diablo-D3: grr

mircea_popescu: Anduck with new sites what matters is who's starting them.

Diablo-D3: ;;ticker

gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 14.06200, Best ask: 14.13899, Bid-ask spread: 0.07699, Last trade: 14.13899, 24 hour volume: 51724.88009833, 24 hour low: 13.77000, 24 hour high: 14.32000, 24 hour vwap: 14.04826

Bugpowder: VCs fund on the basis of the team

Diablo-D3: oh hey, we finally hit 14?

mircea_popescu: lol beat you to it.

Bugpowder: mircea_popescu EXACTLY

Anduck: mircea_popescu: people seem to overestimate the fees you get paid

Bugpowder: and the profit potential

Anduck: Diablo-D3: yes

mircea_popescu: no, you seem to overestimate the normalisation.

mircea_popescu: what do you think, "everyone's a people so nobody should get 1k" ?

mircea_popescu: Diablo-D3 yea, somebody won like 10btc cause of it too.

Diablo-D3: I think Ill sell when it hits 15

dub: sell nao

dub: all the coins

Anduck: well i just mean that...

Anduck: nice business there, mp and kako

Anduck: xD

mircea_popescu: hopefully.

assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 60000 @ 0.001 = 60 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 12962 @ 0.001 = 12.962 BTC [-]

Anduck: sell a just started, not proved to make any money service, and if it did, it would be <10btc/mo -sell a little part of it, for 20000 usd

mircea_popescu: lol

Anduck: i am amazed if you make over 10 btc this month in fees.

Anduck: really.

Anduck: anyway, you will keep 80% of the _PROFIT_ yourselves

Anduck: and 20% to the shares.. shares that seem to value over 20000 usd overall

mircea_popescu: Anduck it already made like 30.

dub: I am consitently amazed that you are able to remember to keep breathing let alone connect to IRC

Anduck: duh

Anduck: well

lyspooner: where's mpbor at the moment

Bugpowder: !ticker MPEX SBBET

assbot: If the milk turns out to be sour, I aint the kinda pussy to drink it.

Bugpowder: !ticker MPEX S.BBET

assbot: If the milk turns out to be sour, I aint the kinda pussy to drink it.

mircea_popescu: lyspooner a shade under 5

kakobrekla: its not in the json

kakobrekla: i think

mircea_popescu: hum

kakobrekla: nope

kakobrekla: missing

lyspooner: how are those cme-based futures' volumes on mpex

lyspooner: link me up

mircea_popescu: lyspooner pretty much dry.

mircea_popescu: !ticker MPEX S.BBET

assbot: [MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0.000337 / 0.00062553 / 0.0035 (1880251 shares, 1,176.16 BTC), 7D: 0.000337 / 0.00062553 / 0.0035 (1880251 shares, 1,176.16 BTC), 30D: 0.000337 / 0.00062553 / 0.0035 (1880251 shares, 1,176.16 BTC)

mircea_popescu: there we go

Anduck: :D

Anduck: lol'd

lyspooner: i read the (new) article about how awesome mpex is

Anduck: mircea_popescu: how much of S.BBET got sold there?

assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 7038 @ 0.0006 = 4.2228 BTC [-]

lyspooner: it's totally awesome and like provably awesome too

Bugpowder: LOL

Namworld: Back down it goes.

mircea_popescu: lyspooner lol which one

mircea_popescu: i do those like weekly

Namworld: Ok, sold all my shares =/

lyspooner: the one where you excerpt anduck

mircea_popescu: now i gotta google this

lyspooner: he's like "it's possibly not awesome" and you were like "nope, totally awesome"

mircea_popescu: o o o this.

mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2012/is-smpoe-really-worth-that-much/

mircea_popescu: totally forgoat.

lyspooner: yeah that one

Anduck: lyspooner: duh

mircea_popescu: wait till he realises s.mpoe makes me worth like 600k btc

Anduck: :D

Anduck: mircea_popescu: when will you be aged 40 and turn pir...pir.... you know.

lyspooner: the "share of m3" argument might hold water

Namworld: Well damn, I only made 10 BTC off of this IPO

Anduck: but for reelzz, grats mp

Anduck: well done

jurov: fucking can't believe it...apparently coinbr *did* manage to correctly split the carnage between 6 users and dozen orders

mircea_popescu: omfg ?

mircea_popescu: jurov im in the same boat.

mircea_popescu: i can;'t believe this worked lol

mircea_popescu: apparently mpex can handle 300 orders in a second.

Anduck: i cant believe my eyes really

dub: interesting

mircea_popescu: i guess all that hardware does something

Anduck: hmmm

Bugpowder: mircea_popescu Not sure about that

mircea_popescu: (didn't take a second, either, they just all came the same second)

dub: I hit trilema from corp, shows 4 credits, I go back and theres none

Bugpowder: stuff was filling more slowly than that based on my page refreshes

dub: assuming corp security weenies are following my links :)

mircea_popescu: Bugpowder the webserver dun worry me so much

mircea_popescu: it's the trade engine that's the point of it all

Bugpowder: yeah

Bugpowder: well

mircea_popescu: dub likely.

Bugpowder: ok

Bugpowder: nice spread though

Bugpowder: righ tnow

mircea_popescu: lol

mircea_popescu: yeah

Anduck: yep

Anduck: people will be so mad when they realize they bought the shares 1000x over real price :D

mircea_popescu: you should probably warn them.

Namworld: and bids are gone =P

Namworld: mostly

Anduck: mircea_popescu: how much proportion of S.BBET got sold there?

Anduck: don't you do it in some kind of waves or something?

Anduck: and this was the first one

mircea_popescu: mnope.

Namworld: no, this was the only wave

Anduck: ahh

Namworld: with 30% sold. The remaining 10k asks are what's left of 3 million shares IPO

Namworld: on 10 million

jurov: btw, was there any bet wrt IPO?

Anduck: guess not

Bugpowder: Weird... There average price I paid, after profit taking for my current shares is within 0.2% of the mean price

mod6: http://youtu.be/2Mr4mjeZ2ko

mod6: there you go Anduck

mircea_popescu: Bugpowder ok. that's the sort of shit im talking about.

mircea_popescu: that. price formation ? mobs are stupid ?

mircea_popescu: riddle me that coherence.

Bugpowder: ;;calc (325 -(.0006*117493+84))/272460

gribble: 0.000625795346106

Bugpowder: thats my ave price

Anduck: mod6: xD

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 696 @ 0.00458832 = 3.1935 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1396 @ 0.00456034 = 6.3662 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 208 @ 0.00455909 = 0.9483 BTC [-]

jurov: !ticker MPEX S.BBET

assbot: [MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0.000337 / 0.00062543 / 0.0035 (1887289 shares, 1,180.38 BTC), 7D: 0.000337 / 0.00062543 / 0.0035 (1887289 shares, 1,180.38 BTC), 30D: 0.000337 / 0.00062543 / 0.0035 (1887289 shares, 1,180.38 BTC)

jurov: so 0.00062543 is overall avg price?

mod6: so far

Namworld: looks like it

Bugpowder: amazing

Bugpowder: there was profit taking after the run up though

Anduck: that was a nice example of how to do profit when ipo happens

mircea_popescu: ;;calc 0.000625795346106/0.0006254

gribble: 1.00063214919

mircea_popescu: three sigs

jurov: announced on btctalk: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=135834.0

Anduck: remember when FB IPOed? price went _down_

mircea_popescu: lol this guy is struck

mircea_popescu: Anduck, sometimes prices go up, sometimes they go down. it's the nature of this beast.

Bugpowder: this is a much better valuation method though

Bugpowder: not guessing

mircea_popescu: than fb ? yes, i think it is.

mircea_popescu: ALSO my system didn't go down

mircea_popescu: unlike nasdaq.

Bugpowder: does anyone else use this idea?

mircea_popescu: not afaik.

mircea_popescu: far as i know i invented it.

mircea_popescu: hance mpipo

Bugpowder: I may start a finance blog

Anduck: huh

Bugpowder: this will be an very interesting case study

Anduck: btw

Anduck: mircea_popescu: is there a c++ server running mpex or just php + db?

Anduck: or something else

mircea_popescu: Bugpowder by all means.

mircea_popescu: someone should.

tzui: mircea_popescu will you lower the ask price if no one buys?

mircea_popescu: nope.

mircea_popescu: it's set in the contract.

Bugpowder: I'm very interested in optimization algorithims

Bugpowder: particularly in markets that are very inefficient

mircea_popescu: me too.

dub: ok

Bugpowder: liek IPO pricing

dub: everyone get off the internet

mircea_popescu: fu dub

dub: the stupid has reached critical mass

dub: http://paritynews.com/government/item/552-anonymous-files-petition-to-make-ddos-legal-form-of-protest

mircea_popescu: ahaha

Anduck: xD

dub: game over man

Anduck: why should they be legall..

dub: I want anyone that agrees with that dead, immediately

Anduck: ahh

Anduck: " The hacking collective doesn’t consider DDoS as a form of attack and equates it to hitting the ‘refresh’ button on a webpage."

Anduck: that guy is trolling or something

Anduck: but hey mircea_popescu wanna answer my question about mpex?

mircea_popescu: not rly.

mircea_popescu: you'll have to dig through old documentations/discussions.

Anduck: so there aint a simple answer?

Anduck: wut

Anduck: :_:

mod6: take some time, read the faq?

Anduck: wasnt in the faq if i remember correctly.

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3200 @ 0.00459323 = 14.6983 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 650 @ 0.00462031 = 3.0032 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 850 @ 0.0046641 = 3.9645 BTC [+]

mod6: oh, i thought you said before that it was tldr

jurov: Anduck, if you open and fund a coinbr account, i may be persuaded to explain

Anduck: let me check coinbr

mircea_popescu: lol

asa1024: COINBR ROCKS!!!

Anduck: uhhh

jurov: asa1024 *hint* affiliate *hint*

asa1024: doh

asa1024: lol

mircea_popescu: i don't get it... mpex got what, 30k for sdice ?

mircea_popescu: why shouldn't it get 1k for bbet

Anduck: S.DICE makes most of the whole bitcoin transactions, they make huge profits in a month

Anduck: _huge_

mircea_popescu: heh.

Anduck: + there already exists services like bitbet.us and they've not succeeded very well after start

mircea_popescu: part of that because people know they've got mpex backing them.

Anduck: succeeding meaning generating good profit

mircea_popescu: same thing here. being on mpex means a lot.

Anduck: hmmm

Anduck: whats the estimated profit of bitbet / mo?

mircea_popescu: no estimate.

Anduck: you must have done some kind of estimates..?

Namworld: No estimate...

mircea_popescu: ahh this was so nice.

mircea_popescu: quite the afterglow, sort of like good wine.

mod6: :)

dub: like fine mdma

mod6: haha

dub: MP is currently summoning bitches to casually whip while he strokes his beard and ruminates over his success

jurov: rofl

mod6: :D

mod6: i know i would

dub: heh http://imgur.com/lb14X

mod6: ahh walmart

jurov: "Spoiler: It's not going to beat betsofbitco.in" haha btctalk delivers

Bugpowder: Anduck betsofbitcoin sucks because they don't have variable time decay and they don't have any big bettors setting odds lines with their own capital. Bitbet will have both.

Anduck: right

Anduck: ok

Anduck: time will show

mircea_popescu: Bugpowder there's more but those two can be enough for now i guess

mircea_popescu: "Let's see how well it does after the hype has cooled down."

mircea_popescu: what hype ?!

Anduck: the hype

mircea_popescu: like ?

Anduck: >1100 btc for <20% of bitbet.

Anduck: jurov: i am pretty sure bitbet will atleast be a very good competitor

mircea_popescu: competitor ?

mircea_popescu: puhleaze.

Anduck: =P

Anduck: good hype there, yes..

mircea_popescu: no, that is a statement of fact.

mircea_popescu: add up the bets made in the past week, see what 80% is on bitbet.

mircea_popescu: there's no competition in those terms.

Anduck: it's like some real world companies.. people praise them like gods and _really_ they just poop in the customers heads

mircea_popescu: and hype is a matter of repeating dubious/false claims through many channels.

mircea_popescu: not a matter of people discussing facts in their out of the world irc channel.

Anduck: duhh.. thats not the definition of hype

Anduck: UD tells it the best way: '

Anduck: A fad. A clever marketing strategy which a product is advertized as the thing everyone must have, to the point where people begin to feel they need to consume it.'

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2000 @ 0.0046641 = 9.3282 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 20 @ 0.00471508 = 0.0943 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 130 @ 0.00471751 = 0.6133 BTC [+]

mircea_popescu: right.

mircea_popescu: where pray tell was bbet advertised ?

Anduck: wut?

Anduck: i don't think it's really about advertising about it or not

Anduck: it's "from the owner of mpex" - that's enough to grow up a hype

Anduck: right?

dub: please stop talking to this waste of oxygen

jurov: dear folks, no sweat

mircea_popescu: dub the disadvantage of news getting out : the forum moves to irc

mircea_popescu: "from the owner of mpex" is fact, not hype in this case.

Anduck: it is a fact, yes

Anduck: but it _grows_ the hype for bitbet

mircea_popescu: ...

Anduck: also a fact

mircea_popescu: how old are you Anduck ?

Anduck: how is that relevant to this subject?

mircea_popescu: because you are making mistakes consistent with an intellectual age of about fifteen,

mircea_popescu: and i'd like to know if you're a healthy young human or a mentally retarded one.

Anduck: please tell me in pm about my mistakes

mircea_popescu: fact can not add to hype.

Namworld: How not? O.o

mircea_popescu: the old story of know the tree by its fruit.

mircea_popescu: if fact can add to hype then there's no fact.

Anduck: i think mircea popescu thinks hype means something else than it means

Namworld: A fact, such as a celebrity endorsing a product, can create a lot of hype for a product...

mircea_popescu: it's no the fact that creates the hype.

Anduck: ...

Anduck: alright

mircea_popescu: "endorsing" is the weasel word in there.

mircea_popescu: the sentence correctly is "the fact of a celebrity hyping a product adds to hype'

mircea_popescu: that's true.

mircea_popescu: simply being the thing they use does not.

Anduck: maybe i should quit this conversation before i get accusated of being mentally retarded again

mod6: or end up featured in another trilima article

mircea_popescu: now that's unlikely.

Namworld: Endorsing is not the same as hyping.

mircea_popescu: Namworld fact remains, falsehood does not stem from truth.

mircea_popescu: the key element of hype is falsehood.

mircea_popescu: (the other one is repetition)

Namworld: Hype is not falsehood.

mircea_popescu: if presented as fact it is.

assbot: [BTCTC] [TEST.ONE] 4321 @ 123.12345678 = 532016.4567 BTC

Anduck: mod6: i wouldn't mind in this case

Namworld: It's but one definition of hype.

mircea_popescu: it's funny, cause i'm currently embroiled in an equally amusing debate with some guy on the forum.

Namworld: Hype can also be the interest arising from the advertising and facts regarding a new product.

mircea_popescu: that was about the definition of fiat.

Anduck: ...

Anduck: blah blah blah

mircea_popescu: Namworld i guess it could be. the astute observer might notice that i in general deal in anti-hype

mircea_popescu: works pretty well in btc so far.

assbot: [BTCTC] [TEST-TWO] 4321 @ 123.12345678 = 532016.4567 BTC

jurov: !ticker btctc test-two

assbot: If the milk turns out to be sour, I aint the kinda pussy to drink it.

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 77 @ 0.00471751 = 0.3632 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1200 @ 0.00473752 = 5.685 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 234 @ 0.00474435 = 1.1102 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 700 @ 0.00474687 = 3.3228 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 192 @ 0.00475027 = 0.9121 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1097 @ 0.00475357 = 5.2147 BTC [+]

Bugpowder: ;;ticker

gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 14.06000, Best ask: 14.13597, Bid-ask spread: 0.07597, Last trade: 14.06000, 24 hour volume: 51252.60596179, 24 hour low: 13.77000, 24 hour high: 14.32000, 24 hour vwap: 14.05461

kakobrekla: !ticker bt ltc-mining

assbot: [BTCT:LTC-MINING] 1D: 0.4399 / 0.44 / 0.44 (5 shares, 2.2 BTC), 7D: 0.411 / 0.44 / 0.4503 (20 shares, 8.9 BTC), 30D: 0.3801 / 0.56 / 0.89 (34 shares, 18.9 BTC)

mircea_popescu: "bitcoin collapses on news of oversubscribed s.bbet ipo"

mircea_popescu: now that's hype :D

Anduck: thats fud

mircea_popescu: lol i like someone put a 5mn share wall at 2500

mircea_popescu: stuff like that has happened before...

Bugpowder: too bad tehre were no props on the # of ipo blocks sold

Bugpowder: that would ahve been funnny

mircea_popescu: ya srsly.

assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 1 @ 0.1575 BTC

mircea_popescu: kinda too easy to manipulate tho i guess

burnside: !ticker bt btc-trading-pt

assbot: [BTCT:BTC-TRADING-PT] 1D: 0.1575 / 0.1575 / 0.1575 (1 shares, 0.2 BTC), 7D: 0.1387 / 0.14 / 0.1575 (190 shares, 27.0 BTC), 30D: 0.125 / 0.14 / 0.1689 (426 shares, 58.6 BTC)

burnside: big bucksssss

mircea_popescu: o hey

burnside: thanks for the assist kakobrekla, that was a trade on the site, works great

kakobrekla: welcome burnside

Bugpowder: too expensive to manipulate though

mircea_popescu: that'd depend on the bet i reckno

mircea_popescu: so Ukto the only one left ?

kakobrekla: and pico!

kakobrekla: ;>

mircea_popescu: ugh

mircea_popescu: you know, sooner or later you'll meet the nasty problem of having to set a standard.

mircea_popescu: better be prepared.

kakobrekla: how about volume

mircea_popescu: pico can claim 1bn volume, nobody'd know

mircea_popescu: havelock has had what today, 100 btc ? 10 ?

kakobrekla: hehe

kakobrekla: dunno

mircea_popescu: yeah. me either.

mircea_popescu: but i know i sure as heck don't want to have mpex trades stream in the same place with that dood's imaginary 1k basic "mining corp"

kakobrekla: lulz

mircea_popescu: maybe case by case basis works

burnside: if (vol > 2) exit;

kakobrekla: hm

Anduck: maybe u should make another channel for mpex-only stream?

kakobrekla: that would exit everything but pico

burnside: heh, meant inside the pico code block :P

Anduck: xD

mircea_popescu: ;;later tell bugpowder btw you were right, my bad. a bunch of models were discussed and i forgot that in the end i decided the blocks go +1s each

gribble: The operation succeeded.

Namworld: hey burnside, I'll pm you

assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 20 @ 0.0098 = 0.196 BTC

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 103 @ 0.00475357 = 0.4896 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.00475404 = 2.377 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2235 @ 0.00475426 = 10.6258 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 466 @ 0.00475538 = 2.216 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 346 @ 0.00475665 = 1.6458 BTC [+]

Namworld: BTC-BOND!

mircea_popescu: o hey!

mircea_popescu: wd.

mircea_popescu: !ticker b btc-bond

assbot: If the milk turns out to be sour, I aint the kinda pussy to drink it.

mircea_popescu: !ticker btc btc-bond

assbot: [BTCT:BTC-BOND] 1D: 0.0097 / 0.0097 / 0.0098 (43 shares, 0.4 BTC), 7D: 0.009 / 0.01 / 0.01 (5370 shares, 50.6 BTC), 30D: 0.008 / 0.01 / 0.011 (8094 shares, 74.9 BTC)

Namworld: Yeah, not really big.

mircea_popescu: seems very stable.

Namworld: Well I offer to repay them 0.01 BTC on demand.

mircea_popescu: a

mircea_popescu: odd that it trades for undet then ?!

Namworld: and if someone puts them low on the ask, I buy them at a discount.

Namworld: Yes, I was saying this the other day.

mircea_popescu: i see now lol

Namworld: The 40 BTC withdrawal was for that. It was going as low as 0.009

Namworld: 10% off =/

mircea_popescu: i guess people are still muchly dicking about

Namworld: No one ever used the email to request to redeem yet. Not once.

mircea_popescu: 189bxJPdjZj7rZtqFBAdMsHbnkdm3U3Wz5 ahaha jurov, the impressionist painter.

Namworld: Looks like it.

mircea_popescu: Namworld i guess that shows how well read contracts are.

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1337 @ 0.00470857 = 6.2954 BTC [-]

Namworld: I see the same thing everywhere... people complaining of being scammed for clicking on a button confirming a fee. People confirming a service without even checking the pricing. People complaining of not being warned of something they couldn't do or would be charged for that is written clearly in instructions.

Namworld: They just go click click click I want this now.

kakobrekla: I want a cigar.

kakobrekla: Now.

error3477: i have a cigar

error3477: now

kakobrekla: ill have coffee instead

kakobrekla: now

error3477: it's cold

error3477: f*

mircea_popescu: colf ?

mircea_popescu: fold ?

mircea_popescu: ft's ?

mircea_popescu: omfg i must knowf

kakobrekla: if's cold.

mircea_popescu: it'f

kakobrekla: ur breaking my parser

mircea_popescu: https://betbybitcoin.com/en/top

mircea_popescu: lol that didn't take long ?

dub: I sale betting to you

dub: velly chep

assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 7 @ 0.745 = 5.215 BTC

assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 3 @ 0.75 = 2.25 BTC [+]

kakobrekla: dub :DD

kakobrekla: accually not that cheap

kakobrekla: Owner's fee 10.00 %

mircea_popescu: dub im currently getting about one "premium stock exchange domain" offered a week

dub: wat

kakobrekla: whatever da fuck that means

mircea_popescu: i imagine it's bound to go up

mircea_popescu: pigeons https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=135395.0

mircea_popescu: your kinda biz

mircea_popescu: meanwhile irl : http://www.batstrading.com/alerts/

mircea_popescu: tldr : fake exchange manipulates prices. "tech error" blamed.

dub: lame, on call for the first time in 6 months or so

kakobrekla: OMG fuckin rainbow bitcoin https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=135848.msg1447186#msg1447186

dub: nice answer

dub: I propose a standard of variable sized ascii penises

dub: optionally rainbow colored

kakobrekla: :DD

kakobrekla: i got a black one

kakobrekla: no racism.

dub: ___

dub: // 7 KARMA WILL GET YOU

dub: (_,_/\

dub: \ \ MEANWHILE THIS GAY ASCII DICK

dub: \ \

dub: _\ \__ MAKES GOOD COMPANY

dub: ( \ )

dub: \___\___/

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 4250 @ 0.00461194 = 19.6007 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 442 @ 0.00455909 = 2.0151 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2582 @ 0.00455832 = 11.7696 BTC [-]

kakobrekla: burnside in between.

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 118 @ 0.00455832 = 0.5379 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 643 @ 0.00455708 = 2.9302 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3359 @ 0.00455708 = 15.3072 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1600 @ 0.00455673 = 7.2908 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.00455613 = 2.2781 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1400 @ 0.00455395 = 6.3755 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 700 @ 0.00455109 = 3.1858 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 550 @ 0.00455034 = 2.5027 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2130 @ 0.00454938 = 9.6902 BTC [-]

kakobrekla: >I'm not worried about myself, I know math. I'm worried about grandmas who spent their whole lives doing money transactions to 2 decimal places.

kakobrekla: omg.

kakobrekla: i cant even...

dub: haha I hate tuxblackedo but he comes with teh funny at times

dub: http://i.qkme.me/3sirj9.jpg

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 720 @ 0.00454938 = 3.2756 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1150 @ 0.00454814 = 5.2304 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2000 @ 0.00454736 = 9.0947 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 130 @ 0.00454491 = 0.5908 BTC [-]

assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-MINING] 1 @ 0.05 BTC

Namworld: Look, BTC-MINING started trading =/

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3900 @ 0.00461687 = 18.0058 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1200 @ 0.00469636 = 5.6356 BTC [+]

dub: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ERE4uiufqE

kakobrekla: i installed some personality into assbot

mircea_popescu: retardas galore

mircea_popescu: dub why ya hate the man ?

mircea_popescu: he wrote php dns

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3370 @ 0.00454491 = 15.3163 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1100 @ 0.00454234 = 4.9966 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 230 @ 0.00454216 = 1.0447 BTC [-]

dub: he wrote what?

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 570 @ 0.00454216 = 2.589 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2280 @ 0.00453528 = 10.3404 BTC [-]

Bugpowder: !ticker MPEX S.BBET

Bugpowder: How did a share go off at .0035?

mircea_popescu: Buglouse out of order reporting ?

mircea_popescu: dub a dns server in php

Bugpowder: I don't think it really went off there

Bugpowder: coinbr doesn't show it

mircea_popescu: o think it must be some twitter thing

kakobrekla: err twitter thing in the json api?

mircea_popescu: no i mean the placing of it in the printout

mircea_popescu: there was in fact a 2347 * 350000

mircea_popescu: and i think coinbr does show it, that's why the horiz lines

Bugpowder: hmm

Bugpowder: fat finger order combined with someone reselling before the IPO gap formed?

Bugpowder: NOP

Bugpowder: The orange horizontal line does not extend to the edge of the plot in coinbr

Bugpowder: it stops around .00184

Bugpowder: the last IPO block to go

mircea_popescu: hm

mircea_popescu: Bugpowder i imagine someone put an order at 350000

mircea_popescu: when they meant to put it in at 35000

mircea_popescu: and that's all it took.

mircea_popescu: next block on sale hit that (partially)

Bugpowder: yah

Bugpowder: though why is it not on coinbr

mircea_popescu: now that i don't know.

mircea_popescu: but i noticed twitter cut off trades after the first ~100

Bugpowder: I am so bummed I did not make anything on the IPO yet

mircea_popescu: http://www.batstrading.com/alerts/ still in shock over this one

mircea_popescu: lol didn't you say you took some profits ?

Bugpowder: I am going to look at my Vanguard account and try to cheer up

Bugpowder: Well yes

Bugpowder: I got shut out on my bids

Bugpowder: kept miss typing my password

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3147 @ 0.00453433 = 14.2695 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2153 @ 0.00453373 = 9.7611 BTC [-]

Bugpowder: then bought everything from 45-100

Bugpowder: then sold 30k @ 175

Bugpowder: SP500 5 year high?

mircea_popescu: ya passowrds can quickly become an issue in situations like this.

Bugpowder: I should have pyMPEX to just accept my creditials automattically or something

Bugpowder: mircea_popescu Did you read the Peter Thiel class notes from the Stanford startup course?

mircea_popescu: nope.

Bugpowder: They are pretty good. (I think) http://blakemasters.com/peter-thiels-cs183-startup

Bugpowder: http://betsofbitco.in needs to break out of the BFL and Bitcoin betting rut.

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 47 @ 0.00453373 = 0.2131 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1150 @ 0.00453336 = 5.2134 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 803 @ 0.00453297 = 3.64 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 4150 @ 0.00457397 = 18.982 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1 @ 0.00063493 BTC [+]

mircea_popescu: In most prior human societies, people made money by taking it from others. The industrial revolution wrought a paradigm shift in which people make money through trade, not plunder.

mircea_popescu: that's the sort of thing i don't like to see.

mircea_popescu: millitant inculture.

Bugpowder: lol

mircea_popescu: obviously in the next paragraph it falls wholesale into futurism.

mircea_popescu: a well.

Bugpowder: skip ahead then

mircea_popescu: lemme tell you a big secret pretty much any scholar knows :

mircea_popescu: if you were to wake up in 12 ad rome tomorrow morning

mircea_popescu: you couldn't prove this by just talking to the people.

mircea_popescu: i mean, sure, they'd be speaking latin.

mircea_popescu: but on this simple "i'm from the future so i'm so much better" paradigm you'd do jack shit.

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1 @ 0.00063493 BTC [+]

mircea_popescu: most people in most times traded for the simple reason that fighting is so fucking dangerous.

Bugpowder: Section IV on is good. Also Class 3 and 4 are very interesting

mircea_popescu: most animals don;'t actually fight either

mircea_popescu: they just dance

Bugpowder: yea

assbot: [MPEX] [] @ BTC

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 863 @ 0.00469636 = 4.053 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 887 @ 0.00472982 = 4.1954 BTC [+]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 13.5 BTC

asa1024: havelock?

asa1024: is this the personality that you added to assbot?

Namworld: Havelock and BTCT.co trades are reported here like MPEx now

kakobrekla: no, the personality has not been discovered yet

kakobrekla: anyway, 0.1337 to whoever finds where is it comming from.

kakobrekla: btc that is

kakobrekla: :)

assbot: [MPEX] [TEST] 987654321 @ 1.23456789 = 1219326311.1264 BTC

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1 @ 0.00063493 BTC [+]

mircea_popescu: aha.

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1 @ 0.00062769 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1 @ 0.00063493 BTC [+]

Namworld: Breaking News: In an unexpected turn of events, MPEx is the host of a record breaking trade totaling over the total amount of bitcoins in existance. In other news, a 1 cm asteroid is heading toward Earth, which might just kill everyone in an fiery apocalyptic scenario, as rendered by our artists in the following video...

mircea_popescu: lol

mircea_popescu: the above were tests related to switching to new assapi

Namworld: Hmm, nice name. ass-API

mircea_popescu: which has occured smoothly and now we're on teh new interface.

Namworld: Is it the most impossibly complex to use API, plus you have to interact with it in Morse code?

Namworld: Hence "ass"api

mircea_popescu: not rly.

mircea_popescu: its just very sikrit

Namworld: Well assbot and his api doesn't desrve its name

kakobrekla: whats wrong?

Namworld: You can't call it assbot with its "ass"api if it's not being an ass, requiring very complex commands plus it has to be in Morse code.

mircea_popescu: ass in the other sense.

kakobrekla: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2mC04Rt35U#t=30

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1250 @ 0.00472571 = 5.9071 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 250 @ 0.00472982 = 1.1825 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1358 @ 0.00469654 = 6.3779 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 840 @ 0.00472982 = 3.973 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 468 @ 0.00475665 = 2.2261 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1400 @ 0.00466298 = 6.5282 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 233 @ 0.00460859 = 1.0738 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1700 @ 0.00460859 = 7.8346 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P200T] 1000 @ 0.55700982 = 557.0098 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P190T] 1000 @ 0.47889506 = 478.8951 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 50000 @ 0.00149 = 74.5 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 20000 @ 0.00169 = 33.8 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 6304 @ 0.00184312 = 11.619 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.00189842 = 18.9842 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10000 @ 0.00195538 = 19.5538 BTC [+]

mircea_popescu: !ticker m s.bbet

assbot: [MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0.000337 / 0.00067495 / 0.0035 (1983593 shares, 1,338.84 BTC), 7D: 0.000337 / 0.00067495 / 0.0035 (1983593 shares, 1,338.84 BTC), 30D: 0.000337 / 0.00067495 / 0.0035 (1983593 shares, 1,338.84 BTC)

mircea_popescu: fuck off by a bitcoin!

Namworld: eh

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2596 @ 0.00063493 = 1.6483 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9889 @ 0.00063734 = 6.3027 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19427 @ 0.00064096 = 12.4519 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7013 @ 0.00064793 = 4.5439 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20329 @ 0.00065153 = 13.245 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21529 @ 0.00065605 = 14.1241 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2217 @ 0.00065629 = 1.455 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28355 @ 0.00065675 = 18.6221 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11320 @ 0.00065997 = 7.4709 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8968 @ 0.00065998 = 5.9187 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00065999 = 0.66 BTC [+]

mircea_popescu: obviously i meant fuck! off by a bitcoin!

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21732 @ 0.00065999 = 14.3429 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45625 @ 0.00066 = 30.1125 BTC [+]

assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 7 @ 0.46 = 3.22 BTC

mircea_popescu: anyway this is all too much excitement for one day.

mircea_popescu: catch you all later.

mircea_popescu: !ticker m s.bbet

assbot: [MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0.000337 / 0.00067662 / 0.0035 (1986093 shares, 1,343.84 BTC), 7D: 0.000337 / 0.00067662 / 0.0035 (1986093 shares, 1,343.84 BTC), 30D: 0.000337 / 0.00067662 / 0.0035 (1986093 shares, 1,343.84 BTC)

mircea_popescu: awww, no collapse ?

Namworld: nope

assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 1 @ 0.74 BTC [-]

mircea_popescu: well honestly fuck this, i didn't even get to buy shares

assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 2 @ 0.72 = 1.44 BTC [-]

Anduck: why people try to make those ID's so COOL ???

Anduck: "cool"

Namworld: mircea_popescu: whut? eheh

Namworld: Wanted to buy yourself a personal stack of your own stock?

mircea_popescu: well sure.

Namworld: Fine enough

mircea_popescu: i just wasn't prepared for 60s

Namworld: thought it wouldn't raise to that point so fast? I didn't either =/

Namworld: I thought people would buy more progressively as BitBet shows it can bring a cashflow.

Namworld: Too many orders coming in last moment

mircea_popescu: right.

Namworld: Literally last minute =/

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 900 @ 0.00463951 = 4.1756 BTC [-]

mircea_popescu: or second

Bugpowder: Or after the last second

Bugpowder: while the blocks were still popping off

Bugpowder: Sold some at 200000 now ;)

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3850 @ 0.004765 = 18.3453 BTC [+]

Bugpowder: I wonder how much of this is that there is more capital available than viable securities to invest in...

mircea_popescu: Bugpowder blocks came up +1 seconds each

mircea_popescu: not same second as i erroneously indicated at the time

Bugpowder: yes

Bugpowder: I got ur message

Bugpowder: I saw it

mircea_popescu: a ok

Bugpowder: and placed a buy order for up to 100000

mircea_popescu: so yeah. this quite deliberately actually

mircea_popescu: to allow for the exact sort of thing

Bugpowder: yeah its better that way actaully

mircea_popescu: then i promptly forgot all about it

mircea_popescu: i know lol

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 21998 @ 0.004765 = 104.8205 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1073 @ 0.00476524 = 5.1131 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2100 @ 0.00476551 = 10.0076 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 508 @ 0.00476576 = 2.421 BTC [+]

Bugpowder: wow

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 265 @ 0.00476624 = 1.2631 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1349 @ 0.00476669 = 6.4303 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 626 @ 0.0047679 = 2.9847 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1100 @ 0.0047681 = 5.2449 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 5650 @ 0.00476816 = 26.9401 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2600 @ 0.00477036 = 12.4029 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1150 @ 0.0047705 = 5.4861 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 750 @ 0.00477212 = 3.5791 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2050 @ 0.0047744 = 9.7875 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2108 @ 0.00477495 = 10.0656 BTC [+]

mircea_popescu: o hey some movement

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1600 @ 0.00477596 = 7.6415 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1650 @ 0.00477701 = 7.8821 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 6150 @ 0.00477767 = 29.3827 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2900 @ 0.00477977 = 13.8613 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2700 @ 0.00478012 = 12.9063 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1050 @ 0.00478558 = 5.0249 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1550 @ 0.00478566 = 7.4178 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 400 @ 0.00478655 = 1.9146 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1050 @ 0.00478722 = 5.0266 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1400 @ 0.00478844 = 6.7038 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2900 @ 0.0047894 = 13.8893 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 352 @ 0.00478999 = 1.6861 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2400 @ 0.00479245 = 11.5019 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2800 @ 0.00479292 = 13.4202 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1371 @ 0.00479303 = 6.5712 BTC [+]

Bugpowder: will the 480000 go?

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2200 @ 0.00479344 = 10.5456 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 609 @ 0.00479569 = 2.9206 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 150 @ 0.00479729 = 0.7196 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 77441 @ 0.0048 = 371.7168 BTC [+]

Namworld: nope

Bugpowder: not bad

mircea_popescu: part of them

Bugpowder: I picked the wrong morning to reduce S.DICE exposure to 1000 coins :-P

Bugpowder: or maybe the right morning

mircea_popescu: :p

Bugpowder: how much was that?

mircea_popescu: like 500 ?

Bugpowder: 800

Bugpowder: maybe

Bugpowder: about 750

Bugpowder: looks like

mircea_popescu: a ok

Bugpowder: !ticker S.DICE

assbot: Provide exchange and ticker.

Bugpowder: !ticker MPEX S.DICE

assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00453297 / 0.00470258 / 0.0048 (383687 shares, 1,804.32 BTC), 7D: 0.00382726 / 0.00464745 / 0.0048 (1905911 shares, 8,857.63 BTC), 30D: 0.0014 / 0.00347773 / 0.0048 (14777786 shares, 51,393.26 BTC)

Bugpowder: !ticker MPEX S.BBET

mircea_popescu: you can do

mircea_popescu: !ticker m s.bbet

Bugpowder: ah

Bugpowder: ;;ticker

gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 14.18263, Best ask: 14.23000, Bid-ask spread: 0.04737, Last trade: 14.18263, 24 hour volume: 36797.61600636, 24 hour low: 13.87150, 24 hour high: 14.29999, 24 hour vwap: 14.09426

mircea_popescu: so over 14

assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 1000 @ 0.002 = 2 BTC [+]

Namworld: Too damn expansive...

Namworld: expensive*

Namworld: well, both are appropriate I guess...

assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 3000 @ 0.002 = 6 BTC [+]

Bugpowder: !ticker MPEX S.BBET

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1850 @ 0.00472828 = 8.7473 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0.000337 / 0.00067928 / 0.0035 (1990093 shares, 1,351.84 BTC), 7D: 0.000337 / 0.00067928 / 0.0035 (1990093 shares, 1,351.84 BTC), 30D: 0.000337 / 0.00067928 / 0.0035 (1990093 shares, 1,351.84 BTC)

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2821 @ 0.00470237 = 13.2654 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 1000 @ 0.002 = 2 BTC [+]

mircea_popescu: so did btcforum go away ?

Namworld: 0.002 values BitBet at 20 000 BTC

mircea_popescu: yeah

Anduck: yeah

Anduck: _sick stupid_

Namworld: To get that on 1% fee, it would require 2 000 000 in bets. I'd have though people would wait to get more reports/info on advertising revenue and other variables.

mircea_popescu: dude lay off. there's no start-up in this world valued under 1mn

mircea_popescu: 20k btc is way under that. 75% discount or some shit.

mircea_popescu: go tell me about airbnb instead

mircea_popescu: what, just because this is a public venue and graham does his shit behind closed doors i have to be stuck with all the unwashed public ?!

Namworld: The first block for 0.00001 or 100 BTC valuation was underpriced.

mircea_popescu: seems that way.

Namworld: But people overbought BBET at 0.002 BTC

Bugpowder: that block sold for at least 55000

Bugpowder: maybe higher

mircea_popescu: 35000 i think

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2200 @ 0.00464742 = 10.2243 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 950 @ 0.00456242 = 4.3343 BTC [-]

Namworld: Even when accounting potential growth, it's high as heck.

Bugpowder: Namworld correction, people are RIGHT NOW "overbuying" at 0.002

mircea_popescu: so, the part where the 1k block was undervalued is a fact : it sold for 35x that.

mircea_popescu: the part where people overbought is speculation

mircea_popescu: i thought they overbought yest at 150

Bugpowder: the first block sold for 35??

Namworld: Well 35x that was nicely priced in my opinion. 3500 BTC valuation.

Bugpowder: high bid was at least 55000 at the open

mircea_popescu: well would have had to Bugpowder seeing how there's no sales under 35 on record ?

mircea_popescu: o right you are.

mircea_popescu: i was just going by the min/max

Bugpowder: I think someone placed an even higher one right before the open

mircea_popescu: but yeah. 55 or something yeah

Bugpowder: and it sold though down to 35

mircea_popescu: yeah.

Bugpowder: I had 1,000,000 at 33000

Bugpowder: :(

Namworld: I had 500k just over the 1 million at 27000

Namworld: then poof, tons of bids over it

mircea_popescu: i had some bids in too, but i never got anything.

mircea_popescu: so i guess we're three pods in a piggy.

Bugpowder: i'm ok

Bugpowder: people keep buying my 200 ask :)

Bugpowder: thinking of raising it to 250

Bugpowder: before it sells through

mircea_popescu: im not so ok seeing how i sold 8% of a company for like 500 btc.

mircea_popescu: but a well!

Bugpowder: you should have done an angle round first

Bugpowder: Class 6

Bugpowder: angel

mircea_popescu: ya well i wanted to try this thing out.

mircea_popescu: figured, well fuck it, these fud idiots will prolly burn it into the ground, i buy it all out and we go from there.

mircea_popescu: seems forum != mpex.

mircea_popescu: duh, in retrospect.

Namworld: so you'd basically pay the price to get 100% on those shares + half of sales proceed...

Namworld: and kako gets the other half... or whatever the ratio is.

mircea_popescu: sure.

mircea_popescu: Today at 12:24:00 PM #1

mircea_popescu: We sadly need to announce that our wallet has been compromised thus DO NOT send any further funds to any of the coin wallets, BTC, DVC, LTC, etc. We will setup a new wallet and reset all the addresses. This will most likely take the whole weekend.

mircea_popescu: duh

mircea_popescu: CRYPTOSTOCKS !!! IMPORTANT

Bugpowder: VICUREX

Bugpowder: are these the same thing?

mircea_popescu: yes

Bugpowder: oh

Bugpowder: ok

topace: idiots using ruby on rails

mircea_popescu: jesus fuck the warnings were all over the place

topace: "i dont know how to make a site, so ill quick prototype a site with ror and then launch it live"

mircea_popescu: even send the girl to warn those bitcoinica redux idiot

mircea_popescu: s

mircea_popescu: didn't want to carpetbomb everyone.

mircea_popescu: "o no, why is MPEx not more like modern!!1" pssshhhh

JWU_42: security through obscurity ?

JWU_42: =)~

topace: security through 1994 web dev skillz

topace: err sorry web _design_ skillz

topace: i have no problems with the functionality :)

mircea_popescu: topace security through not running ANY code that's unread.

mircea_popescu: you know ? absolute minimum requirement for any level of security whatsoever,

mircea_popescu: "each line of code was read"

topace: indeed

mircea_popescu: right.

topace: havelock doesnt use any outside libraries

topace: or frameworks

topace: its all internal

mircea_popescu: well people on ror probably do. i would guess. dunno.

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 879 @ 0.00465808 = 4.0945 BTC [+]

mircea_popescu: maybe they did read it , audited it all etc.

JWU_42: someone said it was a RoR exploit

JWU_42: no clue

mircea_popescu: JWU_42 ror was blown right wide open 2 days ago.

topace: i saw another bitcoin site pop up using drupal and just laughed, just waiting to get hacked, i know cavirtex uses django too, not too sure about its security vulns.. but using any sort of framework tha tother people wrote, and trusting it blindly, is a _bad_ idea

mircea_popescu: to go with the java exploit last year

mircea_popescu: (and a new one just announced)

mircea_popescu: topace especially because they wrote it for an entirely different purpose.

mircea_popescu: the django devs didn't proceed with "let us write code that shall be used to handle btc payments"

mircea_popescu: it was more like "let's write some stuff so all these idiots quit programming in myspace"

topace: haha

JWU_42: yeah - that is what I heard

JWU_42: so not sure if people are guessing based on the RoR news or what

mircea_popescu: o you mean re cryptostocks ?

JWU_42: yes

mircea_popescu: yeah. me either. would be nice if the peeps would make more useful posts announcing stuff

mircea_popescu: you should read cablepair's stuff sometime. two pages, nothing there.

mircea_popescu: that idiot with the "small majority" what's his name

mircea_popescu: at least he explained intelligibly what had happened.

mircea_popescu: jurov what obscure stuff do you use ?

jurov: turbogears

jurov: http://www.cvedetails.com/vendor/11207/Turbogears.html

mircea_popescu: that's the google python thing ?

jurov: it's in python but not from google

Bugpowder: "All else equal, having 1% of a company is better than having 0.5%. But the 100th employee at Google did much better than the average venture-backed CEO did in the last decade. "

jurov: btw, PHP had 15 "code execution" type vulns. python 0.

jurov: in last 4 years

jurov: java had 3

jurov: interesting

mircea_popescu: Bugpowder good point there

mircea_popescu: jurov php is used about 10`000 more than python for web apps.

mircea_popescu: consequently, the figures to compare are 15 with 5000

mircea_popescu: which is the average between 0 and 1 multiplied with 10k

jurov: 10000 times more? sauce?

mircea_popescu: no sauce, but you get the idea.

jurov: i don't get the idea, sry. in all programming langs popularity reviews py is not so far behind

mircea_popescu: crawl the web, count by domain whether it runs py or php

mircea_popescu: "popularity reviews", what's that ?

mircea_popescu: asking people whether they can name python ? of fucking course they can.

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 25 @ 0.48 = 12 BTC [-]

jurov: php is just so much more visible cause everyone leaves the .php extension visible

jurov: surely someone did the crawl but can't find anything like it

mircea_popescu: maybe that's true

mircea_popescu: thing is, if pphp extension is visible that is all we need.

mircea_popescu: cause you can own php once it's there, makes no diff if used much or not.

mircea_popescu: but anyway, this isn't an indictment of python in any way

jurov: TIOBE counts search engine queries, py has 4.173% ,PHP 5.546%.

mircea_popescu: just illustrating how risk assesments are carried out.

mircea_popescu: how often something is used also matters, simple reported vuln count by itself is meaningless.

jurov: i agree PHP is used much more.

jurov: but from my own experience, python makes it harder to open a gaping hole

jurov: php feels like hack on hack

mircea_popescu: so then go with python, i see no problem there.

mircea_popescu: educated guesses is how we stay afloat.

jurov: at least you didn't go with microsoft. cause ITS TEH STANDARD

jurov: :D

mircea_popescu: me ?! lol

thestringpuller: php is unmaintainable

thestringpuller: python runs slow

thestringpuller: take your pick

thestringpuller: ;;ticker

gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 14.17214, Best ask: 14.21998, Bid-ask spread: 0.04784, Last trade: 14.17214, 24 hour volume: 33873.76920876, 24 hour low: 13.87150, 24 hour high: 14.26133, 24 hour vwap: 14.08706

jurov: ah those damn stereotypes

jurov: http://benchmarksgame.alioth.debian.org/u32/which-programs-are-fastest.php lists php with score 40.89 , py 53.43

jurov: not so bad

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1700 @ 0.00471799 = 8.0206 BTC [+]

mircea_popescu: that graph shows php to be slightly faster, with a huge berth.

mircea_popescu: most php code runs faster than most py code simply because most programmers are idiots.

jurov: it not about me wanting to evangelize python

jurov: i just wonder - am i the only one who tries to find out some real numbers when talking about programming langs?

mircea_popescu: yes.

mircea_popescu: especially because the topic is so complex real numbers can not be found./

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 771 @ 0.00471799 = 3.6376 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 279 @ 0.00456242 = 1.2729 BTC [-]

jurov: so we shall stick to vague impressions. i see.

mircea_popescu: hey, it worked fine for the past 50 years

mircea_popescu: by now it's tradition

jurov: haha

mircea_popescu: Most Online Today: 1828

mircea_popescu: did bitcoin catch some big news or something ?

jurov: http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=buy%20bitcoins&cmpt=q almost all time high

jurov: lol, again my damn numbers

mircea_popescu: i think you weigh about the same as a duck.

mircea_popescu: http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=trilema&cmpt=q

mircea_popescu: haha cool.

jurov: mircea, notice the map

mircea_popescu: http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=mpex&cmpt=q

mircea_popescu: ahahaha!

mircea_popescu: SELL OUT!!1

mircea_popescu: jurov re bitcoin : of course it's heaviest in yupr :D

jurov: no i was talking about trilema

jurov: http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=mircea%20popescu&cmpt=q

jurov: what you did in dec 2009?

mircea_popescu: launched it.

mircea_popescu: no wait that was 31 dec 2008

mircea_popescu: hm

mircea_popescu: i have no idea. maybe some political stuff.

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2364 @ 0.00472325 = 11.1658 BTC [+]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 15 @ 0.48 = 7.2 BTC [-]

chippewa: mircea_popescu: Hi , do you know if there any way to move S.DICE stocks to another mpex account?

mircea_popescu: PUSH

mircea_popescu: it's documented in the faq.

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2900 @ 0.004583 = 13.2907 BTC [-]

assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 21 @ 0.33 = 6.93 BTC

Namworld: mircea, if you look at searched term, most of the searches for MPEx is for another kind of MPEx.

mircea_popescu: Namworld i know, was just poking fun

Namworld: So searches for your actually exchange might be on the rise, but represent a fraction of all stuff tagged with the acronym MPEX searched for.

Namworld: I wonder how much of those searches are for the actual exchange tho

mircea_popescu: i don't tbh

dub: ;;bc,blocks

gribble: 216160

mircea_popescu: ;;bc,bollocks

gribble: Error: "bc,bollocks" is not a valid command.

mircea_popescu: sorry, it had to be done.

dub: "blocks" : 187949,

dub: bitcoin: a little boy waits

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1600 @ 0.00456242 = 7.2999 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2917 @ 0.00456242 = 13.3086 BTC [-]

thestringpuller: ;;seen smickles

gribble: smickles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 2 hours, 25 minutes, and 27 seconds ago: <smickles> ;;ticker

jcpham: smickitysmickles

mircea_popescu: hey, that's actually a long time for hi,

mircea_popescu: him*

jcpham: i bet a monster ate him

mircea_popescu: ya, aged 2

jcpham: probably a flying spaghetti monster if I had to guess

jcpham: oh even deadlier

jcpham: so i waited 8 months to register some new gpu's

jcpham: which had 2 year warranties

jcpham: i've had to RMA one and now another card twice

jcpham: I'm wondering how long this warranty lasts

mircea_popescu: till the end of rma

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 750 @ 0.00456937 = 3.427 BTC [+]

dub: I rma'd a few cards before I learned not to run fans >80%

thestringpuller: Bitcoin: The Video Game

dub: they never even looked at receipts, so used to dishing out new ones

thestringpuller: who would buy it?

mircea_popescu: if blizzard publishes it, many peopkle.

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 20 @ 0.48 = 9.6 BTC [-]

dub: its like a vidya game with no steam

dub: ships by boat in three weeks

jcpham: i am steam account without

dub: old school

dub: if steam worked on bitcoin blockchain the next version would be out before the game downloaded

mircea_popescu: if steam used btc i might give it a try.

jcpham: i just used my leftover amazon balance to buy sex toys

jcpham: am i ok?

JWU_42: sure

jcpham: it felt normal

JWU_42: if you say so

dub: as long as theres a rubber fist

jcpham: i almost got that

jcpham: i saw the rubber fist

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1500 @ 0.00456937 = 6.8541 BTC [+]

dub: I bought one

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 900 @ 0.00458215 = 4.1239 BTC [+]

dub: as a present for my boss

jcpham: $100 goes a long way on amazon

jcpham: let me tell you

dub: cost like $300

jcpham: i have a whole box of dildos coming

dub: just dont mistake them for your parachute bag

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.48 = 2.4 BTC [-]

dub: (ref http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1092633/)

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00458215 = 4.5822 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 350 @ 0.00458215 = 1.6038 BTC [+]

jcpham: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlWrmIqGs3Y

dub: etf is wrong with his phone?

dub: wtf*

dub: is he shooting that on a nokia?

jcpham: micon is numer one troll

dub: he's a pretty shit troll tbh

dub: also ginger

dub: theres really no point in letting gingers live, we should help evolution along and just exterimate them now

jcpham: haha

topace: tim minchin - prejudice

topace: ?

topace: oh its quitting time

topace: im outta here

mircea_popescu: <dub> etf is wrong with his phone? << he was ranting about his speen

mircea_popescu: cause of that phone

mircea_popescu: also, he proposes his anamicon daughter (a ginger ?)

mircea_popescu: will lead all of bitcoin

jcpham: inaba is pretty ruthless to him

jcpham: i'm not sure if i would be nice, depends on what was cut out of the video