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jurov: another gem: www.btchyip.com 0.30 % daily
jurov: ;;calc 1.003**30
gribble: 1.09402687487
mircea_popescu: lol.
mircea_popescu: srsly, less than mpoe bnonds ?!
DeadWease: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 18.78001, Best ask: 18.81997, Bid-ask spread: 0.03996, Last trade: 18.78001, 24 hour volume: 52827.67385708, 24 hour low: 17.75000, 24 hour high: 18.85000, 24 hour vwap: 18.26568
smickles: ;;asks 19
gribble: There are currently 6900.5812 bitcoins offered at or under 19.0 USD, worth 130674.028466 USD in total.
DeadWeasel_: crap, i left my IRC on at work, I'm not gonna get banned or booted am i?
smickles: why would you?
smickles: and why don't you ghost it
DeadWeasel_: i have no idea, haven't used IRC in 7 years, just got back in for bitcoin
DeadWeasel_: bitcoin-bots banned me for somereason. only connected once, didn't say anything. weird.
smickles: /msg nickserv help ghost
smickles: DeadWeasel_: ^^
smickles: :)
DeadWeasel_: wow, thanks.
DeadWeasel_: i'll rtfm next time.
smickles: always a wise choice to rtfm :D
DeadWeasel_: too many fm!
DeadWeasel_: slow and steady I guess
jurov: this btc tabloid is hilarious: "GLBSE went from being a scam-ridden backwater to the home of hundreds of thousands of dollars' worth of investment funds."
jborkl: What does a proper buy order look like?
mircea_popescu: jurov can they name one of them funds ?!
mircea_popescu: jborkl BUY|S.DICE|100|100 for instance
jborkl: thank you
Bugpowder_: just make sure you dont swap the positions of # of shares and price of shares...
Bugpowder_: heheh
Bugpowder_: 1000 bidwall at 18.75 now
Bugpowder_: yesss
jurov: jborkl, if you use pympex, -h shows an example ,too. with proper quotes.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 5900 @ 0.007395 = 43.6305 BTC [-]
Bugpowder_: looks like it worked!
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 18.80999, Best ask: 18.81000, Bid-ask spread: 0.00001, Last trade: 18.80999, 24 hour volume: 53584.25565676, 24 hour low: 17.75000, 24 hour high: 18.85000, 24 hour vwap: 18.27732
mircea_popescu: teh sweet.
Bugpowder_: Please go to 50
Bugpowder_: I have so many calls
mircea_popescu: lolz
mircea_popescu: i think 50 may be a little much.
Bugpowder_: like
dub: yes 50
dub: then, 1
Bugpowder_: yes 50!
Bugpowder_: why not!
dub: because bitcoin
jurov: 32 would be ok. cause bitbet :P
mircea_popescu: lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6970 @ 0.00065766 = 4.5839 BTC [+]
Bugpowder_: I would be ok with 37, because Tesla model S
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: what if 17 bugsy
Bugpowder_: BITCAR
Bugpowder_: uhhh
Bugpowder_: 17?
Bugpowder_: uhhh
Bugpowder_: then I'm back to Jan 14th 2013
mircea_popescu: 17 is a good number.
Bugpowder_: prime
mircea_popescu: im fucking a 17yo chick, she's juicy...
mircea_popescu: 37 is a little stringy.
Bugpowder_: There has not been a single big dump in this rally
Bugpowder_: not even a 5k one
mircea_popescu: i haven't really been watching
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 4000 @ 0.00139 = 5.56 BTC [-]
Bugpowder_: just look at clark moody
Bugpowder_: all the tall bars are green
DeadWeasel_: they're waiting for 19.16 again
DeadWeasel_: or not
DeadWeasel_: i have no idear
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3719 @ 0.00065766 = 2.4458 BTC [+]
DeadWeasel_: just another redneck on the interwebz
Bugpowder_: last be drop was Firday night
DeadWeasel_: was a weird weekend, no drop.
DeadWeasel_: shocked on on sunday morning
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11650 @ 0.00065393 = 7.6183 BTC [-]
Bugpowder_: that bitbrew guy must be so happy
mircea_popescu: bitbrew ?!
Bugpowder_: I bought like 5 pounds of coffee off him
mircea_popescu: !ticker m s.bbet
assbot: [MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0.001139 / 0.00123697 / 0.0015 (11280 shares, 13.95 BTC), 7D: 0.00100006 / 0.00116432 / 0.0015 (44010 shares, 51.24 BTC), 30D: 0.000337 / 0.00079135 / 0.0035 (2311563 shares, 1,829.26 BTC)
Bugpowder_: at 3BTC / lb
mircea_popescu: not bad
Bugpowder_: it seemed cheap at the time
dub: I love m$
dub: my t, v, c, h and possibly other keys don't work in outlook
mircea_popescu: 18 letters should be enough for anyone.
Bugpowder_: booyah
Bugpowder_: ;;asks 19
gribble: There are currently 6540.5084 bitcoins offered at or under 19.0 USD, worth 123910.430553 USD in total.
Bugpowder_: lag
DeadWeasel_: ;;asks 20
gribble: There are currently 23987.436 bitcoins offered at or under 20.0 USD, worth 465955.615851 USD in total.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 200 @ 0.00737304 = 1.4746 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 750 @ 0.00737303 = 5.5298 BTC [-]
Bugpowder_: the asks are still lagged
thestringpuller: ;;bids 17
gribble: There are currently 29960.301 bitcoins demanded at or over 17.0 USD, worth 531395.791806 USD in total.
Bugpowder_: should be 5403 below 19
DeadWeasel_: we used to worry about lag because of headshots. now it's sniping for $$$. long live Quake.
Bugpowder_: ;;asks 37
gribble: There are currently 53877.097 bitcoins offered at or under 37.0 USD, worth 1290692.2985 USD in total.
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 168 @ 0.0261 = 4.3848 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 100 @ 0.026 = 2.6 BTC [-]
Bugpowder_: I like to see that as the number of asks go down, the number of bids > 18 keeps going up. Organic bidding rather than impatient bidwalls
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 18.86001, Best ask: 18.87054, Bid-ask spread: 0.01053, Last trade: 18.87054, 24 hour volume: 55495.39610726, 24 hour low: 17.75000, 24 hour high: 18.88000, 24 hour vwap: 18.30617
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 72 @ 0.0089 = 0.6408 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 40 @ 0.009 = 0.36 BTC [+]
DeadWeasel_: how many of you are self-taught traders? you know, without an education in finance, etc?
mircea_popescu: my degrees are in philosophy&anthropology
Bugpowder_: neuroscience
Bugpowder_: I think losing money trading is the best education for finance.
mircea_popescu: "value of engineer tracks total value of broken equipment"
mircea_popescu: btw Bugpowder_ saw quite a scene today sitting in the cab waiting for girls to drag in the shopping
mircea_popescu: tabby cat running down the street chased by bigger black cat
mircea_popescu: which caught up with it, went on top of it and snapped it's neck
mircea_popescu: tabby went into tremors, peed and died.
Bugpowder_: hoo my
Bugpowder_: r u scarred 4 lyfe?
mircea_popescu: that dude was like a fucking assasin, took like .3 seconds flat to do it too
mircea_popescu: no, but [one of] the girls were
DeadWeasel_: jesus christ. cats are learning kung fu.
mircea_popescu: driver thought someone hit the cat with a car
DeadWeasel_: but it was just ninja cat.
mircea_popescu: for srs.
thestringpuller: Bugpowder_: are phf
DeadWeasel_: damn. tabby walked down the wrong alley.
thestringpuller: phd*
DeadWeasel_: nice.
mircea_popescu: better not be hittin' on that cat's bitchez or else he waits on a tree branch above your doorway
DeadWeasel_: so your technology skills are self-taught I assume?
Bugpowder_: yea
Bugpowder_: shit
Bugpowder_: just got reviews for paper back
mircea_popescu: FLUNKED
DeadWeasel_: !!
DeadWeasel_: ouch
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.0324 BTC [+]
DeadWeasel_: i'm asking these questions, trying to motivate myself to learn to trade some bitcoin assets. i believe in this as crucial piece of the freedom triangle that is humanities future. also, I guess I'm greedy. I want more than I have.
Bugpowder_: Its not that bad actually
DeadWeasel_: it doesn't seem so, just kinda scary. If I did so, I'd have to wager at least half my savings. as you can guess by the requirements, that is very small.
DeadWeasel_: but I bet on gold, made 2x, selling that, want to go all BTC. all in.
mircea_popescu: DeadWeasel_ why'd you have to wager half your savings ?!
DeadWeasel_: because my saving is awfully small. i've no debt, but not a big cushion either. long story
DeadWeasel_: not for 94+ IRC people
mircea_popescu: it's bitcoin dood, it has 8 decimals
mircea_popescu: you can trade on one cent
DeadWeasel_: post registration, anyhow.
kakobrekla: i can kick a few so we are under 94.
DeadWeasel_: or passthrough
DeadWeasel_: but third party is.... too many parties.
mircea_popescu: o, you mean mpex reg ?
DeadWeasel_: yeah.
mircea_popescu: well at any rate why do anything scary ?
mircea_popescu: relax, enjoy it.
DeadWeasel_: I am enjoying it. just watching BTC go up and up and up, then way down, then up, the down again, then up alittle. then way up.
smickles: < kakobrekla> i can kick a few so we are under 94. << lol, such a gossip
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 18.75000, Best ask: 18.75960, Bid-ask spread: 0.00960, Last trade: 18.75960, 24 hour volume: 56923.28708903, 24 hour low: 17.75000, 24 hour high: 18.88000, 24 hour vwap: 18.32505
Bugpowder_: The rally is over ;(
mircea_popescu: nothing lasts forever
mircea_popescu: perhaps with the exception of a good orgasm
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.007395 = 3.6975 BTC [+]
mod6: 1867 bid @ 18.7 && 1128 asked @ 18.9
smickles: wences
mod6: now only 600 @ 18.9
mircea_popescu: winces you mean ?
smickles: it's like just reading the name draws a wince out of me
mod6: haha
dub: you rounded an mpex deposit?
mod6: i think it may still have some legs...
mod6: haha dub
smickles: why round any bitcoin amount?
mircea_popescu: srsly.
mircea_popescu: round rump good, round bitcoin bad
mircea_popescu: the rrg-rbb rule.
kakobrekla: i round everything to 21mil
smickles: i'm considering switching to gnucash from pen and paper, but it only goes to 6 decimals. /me tests using satoshi for everthing
smickles: bah, it forces commas at intervals of 3
smickles: i want at intervals of 4!
mod6: seporators are no matter!
mod6: ;)
smickles: they bother me when they are there, more than when they arn't
mod6: mpex forced me to learn sat. nat.
smickles: wth is sat. nat.?
mod6: err, satoshi notation
iz: gnucash is pretty good
smickles: lol, i was googling sat. nat.... hopeless
mod6: sorry.
mod6: :/
smickles: iz: i've only found issues with securities as liabilities and that it doesn't directly or easily support bitcoin
smickles: for somereason, if i tell it that I have S.DICE on account for THATGUY, it thinks I sold the S.DICE
smickles: @.@
smickles: mod6: did you learn your sat.nat. with commas every 3 places?
smickles: i didn't, and having them there is annoying
mod6: well, i personally wasn't used to the idea of 2500 sat. as 0.00002500 -- but yeah, i can do without the seperators
mod6: mpex forced me to strictly examine every order's sat value closely
iz: smickles: ah yeah... well, you could get someone to patch it or contrib to it
mod6: but im better for this nao :)
smickles: iz: i think there are patches out there already
smickles: but, it would be easier to stay with my distro's package manager
dub: omg bitcoin broken, panic sell
dub: http://www.nilsschneider.net/2013/01/28/recovering-bitcoin-private-keys.html
jcpham: hax
iz: lol, nice
pizzaman1337: dang
Bugpowder_: ;;asks 19
gribble: There are currently 4983.2012 bitcoins offered at or under 19.0 USD, worth 94441.1376911 USD in total.
Bugpowder_: ooooo yaaaa
smickles: lol, don't use the same random number over and over again
kakobrekla: http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/random_number.png
smickles: :)
smickles: kakobrekla: http://digitaloffense.net/tools/debian-openssl/pmeo9hcjp7aw9.jpg
mircea_popescu: smickles why not simply use satoshi as unit ?
kakobrekla: :)
smickles: mircea_popescu: the forced commas are annoying
mircea_popescu: yeah, ` much nicer.
smickles: 2205644893 is mangled into 2,205,644,893
smickles: 22,0564,4893 would be much nicer
mircea_popescu: gnoobs.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1900 @ 0.00065393 = 1.2425 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: dub ouch that actually is an issue
smickles: mircea_popescu: is that not the reason the dev teams always says to use a unique addy for every tx?
mircea_popescu: not afaik
mircea_popescu: this is unrelated, the problem is same random number used with diff transactions
kakobrekla: something that normally does not happen
kakobrekla: and according to spec it should not?
iz: the page says it was a hardware bitcoin wallet
mircea_popescu: yeah
iz: so i assume it was some custom btc client, not the official client
mircea_popescu: afaik the recomendation for ew addy each time is anonimity and some vague "maybe someone cracks the digest"
dub: yes, they're talkign about it in -dev and its come up elsewhere in broken implementations
mircea_popescu: iz it wouldn't surprise me if it were an old client. who knows
iz: yeah
dub: <tcatm> lianj: These are from a hardware wallet called bitcoincard(.org) with little entropy.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10138 @ 0.00065393 = 6.6295 BTC [-]
dub: (tcatm is the author)
mircea_popescu: tcatm = niels ?!
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.01 BTC [+]
dub: yes
mircea_popescu: had no idea.
dub: hrmf, this channel used to be cool, edgy and underground
dub: now its all mainstream
mircea_popescu: fu dub
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.00065602 = 3.4769 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: you;re the only mainstream guy here
jcpham: I may have mentioned the channel publicly
mircea_popescu: well it's in my faq
iz: mentioned the channel at an indie rock concert you rode your fixie bike to
jcpham: dub let's leave. you go first
dub: yes but only 7 people have read that
mircea_popescu: back when glbse was still going my customers used to read my faq ;/
mircea_popescu: anyways, im off. prop the btc up!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2500 @ 0.00066274 = 1.6569 BTC [+]
fancypants: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 19.13001, Best ask: 19.19999, Bid-ask spread: 0.06998, Last trade: 19.13001, 24 hour volume: 76946.58851986, 24 hour low: 17.86173, 24 hour high: 19.30000, 24 hour vwap: 18.58421
mircea_popescu: o hey 19s
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=139649.0
mircea_popescu: and in more serious news, http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-01-28/labor-minister-says-france-totally-bankrupt
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 300 @ 0.007395 = 2.2185 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5465 @ 0.00066274 = 3.6219 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2850 @ 0.00066546 = 1.8966 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2400 @ 0.00066572 = 1.5977 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 579 @ 0.00066599 = 0.3856 BTC [+]
topace: hey mircea_popescu, you can ignore my deposit for 112, im dyslexic or need coffee.. it should have been 121 which i did a few seconds later, and sent it properly. :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7150 @ 0.00065556 = 4.6873 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6999 @ 0.00064828 = 4.5373 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 1 @ 0.7101 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 1 @ 0.71 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 41 @ 0.7011 = 28.7451 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 61 @ 0.00728138 = 0.4442 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1955 @ 0.00064828 = 1.2674 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: topace no biggy
mircea_popescu: i'll just ignore both :D
topace: lol, thats no good :p
mircea_popescu: hehe. o waity, you were trading 8s yest huh
topace: yea havelock sdice passthru hit 0.80
topace: !ticker h sdice
assbot: [HAVELOCK:SDICE] 1D: 0.74000000 / 0.773125 / 0.80000000 (184 shares, 142.25500030 BTC), 7D: 0.44000000 / 0.62780101 / 0.81000000 (1408 shares, 883.94381836 BTC), 30D: 0.37000000 / 0.50651342 / 0.81000000 (5402 shares, 2736.18551824 BTC)
topace: 0.81 even :p
mircea_popescu: deposit queue flushed ftr.
topace: whoop thx
topace: i should go home, its 3.22am
topace: and im still at the office
topace: and i have to be back for a server delivery at 9am
topace: :(
topace: becauase if im not here at 9am, thats when purolator will come
topace: if i am here, they'll be here around 2 in the afternoon
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: you need either a. install a bed or b. chain a girly to the coatrack
topace: lol yea
topace: soon as i get the mining equipment out of my boardroom, i could sleep on the couch
topace: but that rooms too cold now to sleep there... (the window is open, to keep the mining equipment cool)
topace: and its -15C outside
mircea_popescu: lol
topace: and it has a 3200 CFM fan blowing air in :p
mircea_popescu: i never got into mining
topace: cheap cooling in canada in the winter months :)
mircea_popescu: i bet
mircea_popescu: melting the ice caps
topace: k im out
topace: ttyl
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12700 @ 0.0006498 = 8.2525 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12082 @ 0.00064501 = 7.793 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20554 @ 0.00064437 = 13.2444 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4514 @ 0.00064421 = 2.908 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 100 @ 0.00727383 = 0.7274 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 450 @ 0.00725575 = 3.2651 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2550 @ 0.00064989 = 1.6572 BTC [+]
dub: ffs
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11634 @ 0.00064421 = 7.4947 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 300 @ 0.00722215 = 2.1666 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: still going up huh
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C160T] 1 @ 0.19941025 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 900 @ 0.00720244 = 6.4822 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P160T] 1 @ 0.08536952 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 250 @ 0.00722215 = 1.8055 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 760 @ 0.0074 = 5.624 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2400 @ 0.00064989 = 1.5597 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22455 @ 0.00064989 = 14.5933 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4953 @ 0.00064989 = 3.2189 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5850 @ 0.00064989 = 3.8019 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9600 @ 0.00064989 = 6.2389 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 100 @ 0.00720244 = 0.7202 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 550 @ 0.00717887 = 3.9484 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 200 @ 0.0071638 = 1.4328 BTC [-]
DeadWease: ;;bids 19
gribble: There are currently 1957.6893 bitcoins demanded at or over 19.0 USD, worth 37414.8275541 USD in total.
DeadWease: ;;asks 32
gribble: There are currently 43682.557 bitcoins offered at or under 32.0 USD, worth 1057083.08203 USD in total.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2492 @ 0.00064989 = 1.6195 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6352 @ 0.00065585 = 4.166 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.00066255 = 2.849 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8500 @ 0.00066503 = 5.6528 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 421 @ 0.00066599 = 0.2804 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3051 @ 0.00066703 = 2.0351 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 300 @ 0.00722215 = 2.1666 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 550 @ 0.00714694 = 3.9308 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 19.27520, Best ask: 19.31625, Bid-ask spread: 0.04105, Last trade: 19.35000, 24 hour volume: 82461.46947858, 24 hour low: 17.90100, 24 hour high: 19.78000, 24 hour vwap: 18.75037
DeadWease: /nick deadweasel
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4950 @ 0.00064702 = 3.2027 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 100 @ 0.00722215 = 0.7222 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1289 @ 0.00727383 = 9.376 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 511 @ 0.007395 = 3.7788 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4235 @ 0.00064927 = 2.7497 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1595 @ 0.00064702 = 1.032 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6900 @ 0.00065586 = 4.5254 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00066507 = 2.6603 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1500 @ 0.00064702 = 0.9705 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13627 @ 0.00066541 = 9.0675 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6400 @ 0.00066541 = 4.2586 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: o o, seems we going down
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 18.77100, Best ask: 18.89974, Bid-ask spread: 0.12874, Last trade: 18.89974, 24 hour volume: 92919.30661248, 24 hour low: 17.90100, 24 hour high: 19.78000, 24 hour vwap: 18.78229
kakobrekla: so sad.
mircea_popescu: o ?
kakobrekla: i always say dat
kakobrekla: up or down.
kakobrekla: :)
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: that's because you're not old enough to smoke.
kakobrekla: rofl
kakobrekla: did you come to that part btw
kakobrekla: or finished before it
SomeoneWeird: lol mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla i got as far as to where some dood walks in and kills the ho atop him
mircea_popescu: SomeoneWeird :p
Bugpowder: STAY STRONG
Bugpowder: LONG AND STRONG
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu ill pay you 1btc to finish it :)
mircea_popescu: o hallo bugsy. how's teh 50s ?
Bugpowder: well
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla lol ok. i'll put it on the bj list
Bugpowder: it appears some asshole decided to sell 10,000 BTC at 19.75
Bugpowder: MPEX options did not quench this rally
mircea_popescu: all rallies eventually get it in the ass.
mircea_popescu: they're sluts.
Bugpowder: this one isn't sure what she wants to do.
mircea_popescu: so uncommon, that.
Bugpowder: also on the 1D chart, it looks like a straight line up
mircea_popescu: o ya
mircea_popescu: where's your ponzichart ?
Bugpowder: which my TA skillz says is like totally going to 50
Bugpowder: ponzichart is a little fucked up due to the valuation of these calls
mircea_popescu: http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/chart.png?width=940&m=mtgoxUSD&SubmitButton=Draw&r=60&i=&c=0&s=&e=&Prev=&Next=&t=S&b=&a1=&m1=10&a2=&m2=25&x=0&i1=&i2=&i3=&i4=&v=1&cv=0&ps=0&l=0&p=0&
mircea_popescu: that ? isn't that supposed to be a gravestone, ie, end of trend ?
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder do share.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2267 @ 0.00064702 = 1.4668 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: also, this http://polimedia.us/dtng/c/src/135946401856.jpg
Bugpowder: http://imgur.com/a/EsExY
Bugpowder: assuming midmarket valuation of the calls
Bugpowder: I made an account and an album!
mircea_popescu: haha
mircea_popescu: the Ponzi Album
mircea_popescu: anyway, it deponzified a little.
Bugpowder: just wait till the price goes to @&
Bugpowder: 27
Bugpowder: baby poking at the keyboard
Bugpowder: dont sell my calls baby!
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: baby sells your calls at market and your sdice at 18
Bugpowder: matlab is in control now
Bugpowder: except when it crashes
Bugpowder: still working out the kinks
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3800 @ 0.00066541 = 2.5286 BTC [+]
Schadenfreude: Technische Universität Wien? not bad
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 33 @ 0.03 = 0.99 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8750 @ 0.00065229 = 5.7075 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: what's that ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6238 @ 0.0006509 = 4.0603 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8350 @ 0.0006509 = 5.435 BTC [-]
DeadWeasek: ;;bids 19
gribble: There are currently 0 bitcoins demanded at or over 19.0 USD, worth 0.0 USD in total.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 169 @ 0.007395 = 1.2498 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 20 @ 0.0074 = 0.148 BTC [-]
jurov: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 18.90010, Best ask: 18.98979, Bid-ask spread: 0.08969, Last trade: 18.98979, 24 hour volume: 93620.39733442, 24 hour low: 17.90100, 24 hour high: 19.78000, 24 hour vwap: 18.79166
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9222 @ 0.00064702 = 5.9668 BTC [-]
DeadWeasel: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 18.95000, Best ask: 18.98978, Bid-ask spread: 0.03978, Last trade: 18.95000, 24 hour volume: 92611.87472610, 24 hour low: 17.90100, 24 hour high: 19.78000, 24 hour vwap: 18.79870
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5400 @ 0.00064702 = 3.4939 BTC [-]
jurov: DeadWeasel, i just called ticker. do you have me on ignore? :DDD
DeadWeasel: no sorry, i was registering my nick, text cleared it all off, didn't see it
DeadWeasel: trying to get my IRC feet back under me.
kakobrekla: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=139704.msg1487845;topicseen#msg1487845
jurov: DeadWeasel, np
DeadWeasel: ;;bids 19
gribble: There are currently 216.72419 bitcoins demanded at or over 19.0 USD, worth 4117.75965731 USD in total.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1800 @ 0.0006509 = 1.1716 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 100 @ 0.027 = 2.7 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66 @ 0.00064702 = 0.0427 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9905 @ 0.00064701 = 6.4086 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 966 @ 0.026 = 25.116 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 14 @ 0.77999999 = 10.92 BTC [-]
DeadWeasel: ;;bids 19
gribble: There are currently 708.80583 bitcoins demanded at or over 19.0 USD, worth 13486.4642488 USD in total.
DeadWeasel: ;;bc,24hprc
gribble: 18.78
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla and so it begins.
mircea_popescu: Bitcoin Only, no refunds etc.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2300 @ 0.00064701 = 1.4881 BTC [-]
topace: avalon really is looking more like a scam isnt it
topace: "yay we shipped! but, you might not get it for a few months, we cant do anything about shipping times"
topace: "now pre-order our next batch before you get the current ones"
topace: i just dont understand WHY they couldnt release a simple video of their units hashing away
topace: well, i do, becuase they dont exist...
mircea_popescu: yeah.
mircea_popescu: no asics this year.
kakobrekla: prolly wrong.
mircea_popescu: you think ?
topace: i think BFL will deliver in april
topace: maybe march
kakobrekla: im in contact with 2 different asic devs and none of them has even announced anything, yet i know one was ahead of bfl
mircea_popescu: " Only Bitcoin will allow us to move half a million USD in a few hours into places they are suppose to go to."
mircea_popescu: this is particularly stupid.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla maybe. asics are a hard problem tho.
topace: "places they are supposed to go" -- aka "into our scam artist pockets before they catch the next plane to south america"
mircea_popescu: "How else did you expect us to produce a functional ASIC unit in the same length of time a competitor has been delayed?"
mircea_popescu: i wonder if this sounded better in chinese.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 976 @ 0.00064701 = 0.6315 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11074 @ 0.00064666 = 7.1611 BTC [-]
azx: if BFL is not delivering, what about those other guys?
mircea_popescu: basic basically admitted they were... lieing about everything.
mircea_popescu: avalon seems pretty much a scam on the strength of this latest move.
mircea_popescu: what other guys ?
azx: let me look up his name. there was a thread how they delivered a ASIC and one gets shipped to BTC foundation and so on
mircea_popescu: this is it.
mircea_popescu: avalon
mircea_popescu: i guess there's also the asicminer ppl. tho they're about three weeks late on their revised estimates without a good reason by now/
azx: avalon was a scam too?
azx: I guess anything to do with mining turns out to be a scam sooner or later
mircea_popescu: azx that's what we're discussing. avalon's most recent announcement.
azx: i was afk. url
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=139704.msg1487845;topicseen#msg1487845
topace: jesus $19.79
mircea_popescu: im curious if it can cross the psychological 20
pizzaman1337: mircea_popescu: do you live off of income from your bitcoin activities?
mircea_popescu: nope.
pizzaman1337: do you ever convert your BTC to fiat?
mircea_popescu: rarely if at all.
pizzaman1337: what do you do for a living? if you don't mind me asking
mircea_popescu: i retired back in 2004
thestringpuller: ;;asks
gribble: (asks [--over] <pricetarget>) -- Calculate the amount of bitcoins for sale at or under <pricetarget>. If '--over' option is given, find coins or at or over <pricetarget>.
azx: " Avalon need the money before this weekend starts " - lol
thestringpuller: ;;asks 20
gribble: There are currently 9992.735 bitcoins offered at or under 20.0 USD, worth 199300.135435 USD in total.
pizzaman1337: mircea_popescu: I'm guessing you did financial stuff?
mircea_popescu: in a sense, yeah.
thestringpuller: ;;bids 18
gribble: There are currently 18004.054 bitcoins demanded at or over 18.0 USD, worth 331312.635666 USD in total.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: is a romanian mobster
mircea_popescu: there's a romanian mob now ?
dust-otc: mircea_popescu: want to bet that Avalon is a scam?
thestringpuller: ;;seen smickles
gribble: smickles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 10 hours, 3 minutes, and 26 seconds ago: <smickles> oh, and it's payably only via bitcoin now
jurov: dust-otc: http://bitbet.us/bet/34/an-asic-unit-from-either-bfl-avalon-or/
mircea_popescu: dust-otc how do we bet ?
azx: pizzaman1337: read the forums :)
dust-otc: Even odds, Avalon delivers a working ASIC unit by Mar. 1
dust-otc: if not, they are a scam
mircea_popescu: dust-otc why not bitbet ?
dust-otc: I don't like the variable odds
dust-otc: more counterparty risk
mircea_popescu: i don't like the having to keep track of private beds
mircea_popescu: i already have a list and it's on my nerves ;/
dust-otc: and the BFL bet is terribly worded
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=139704.msg1487970#msg1487970 lol the girl at ther finest.
dust-otc: mircea_popescu: with the terms I listed, i'm willing to bet up to 100btc
mircea_popescu: that they ship ?
dust-otc: so it might be worth your time to keep track of
azx: what girl?
dust-otc: that they aren't a scam, which requires that they ship, even if slightly delayed/ out of spec
mircea_popescu: dust-otc well... im not sure i want even odds on that, and i'm not sure "a unit" means anything in this context.
mircea_popescu: how about deliver 80% of their first batch by mar 1st. 240 units or w/e it was.
DeadWeasel: Yes, I'll have 14 units of ASICs please.
mircea_popescu: and i can't bring myself to throw 100 btc on this either, im not invested in them either way
mircea_popescu: more of a sporting interest for me than anything else.
dust-otc: I admit that it is possible that Avalon/BFL are scams, especially BFL, but I don't think it is likely
dust-otc: and yet many people seem very sure they are scams
mircea_popescu: their latest move makes it pretty convincing in my eyes.
jurov: yes, really, is it so hard to produce convincing multimedia evidence?
dust-otc: Everyone is getting mad that avalon is taking orders for a 2nd batch before they shipped the first, and yet BFL has been doing this all along
dust-otc: 2nd, 3rd, .. Nth batches
mircea_popescu: the problem with "are scams" arguments in btc is that the chances of it becoming purely semantinc are so high. most are idiots rather than scammers i guess.
dust-otc: jurov: true, they really should post proof
jcpham: and it just keeps going
topace: im okay with them being scams, my fpga's keep plugging along
topace: making 100+BTC/month
mircea_popescu: yeah i think fpgas will turn out to be the best investments ever.
topace: the longer asics are delayed, the more moneys worth i get from the fpgas
mircea_popescu: yours paid for themselves already ?
jcpham: woohoo avalon batch #2
dust-otc: topace: BFL or others?
azx: jcpham: So, we have a problem. Avalon need the money before this weekend starts to place orders for the parts. :)
topace: yup more than 100% paid off
topace: mostly BFL
mircea_popescu: yeah. you too ka risk but it paid off.
topace: and if htey actually do ship asics, each one is worth its trade in value back to them too
mircea_popescu: i contemplated it at the time but preferred to pass.
jcpham: i like how the price is going up making my gpus seem less crazy
azx: mircea_popescu: you did finance? What exactly?
mircea_popescu: jcpham i suspect the more efficient gpus are atm the baseline
dust-otc: I really should try to fix up some of my gpus
dust-otc: mining is getting fairly profitable again
jcpham: diff rose, price rose, diff dropped, price dropped
jcpham: now the diff is rising again
jcpham: guess what happens next
kakobrekla: mining profitability http://smpake.com/etc/btc/charts.php
mircea_popescu: azx i've never commented on that topic.
jcpham: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 19.39000, Best ask: 19.39224, Bid-ask spread: 0.00224, Last trade: 19.38924, 24 hour volume: 102254.25858682, 24 hour low: 17.90100, 24 hour high: 19.80000, 24 hour vwap: 18.88041
jcpham: ;;calc 102254*[ticker --avg]
gribble: 1930597.44414
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla is that gross revenue ?
jcpham: ;;calc 102254*[ticker --avg]*.0005
gribble: 965.30536858
kakobrekla: >>http://smpake.com/etc/btc/charts.php
kakobrekla: eh
jcpham: what is gox's fee
jcpham: .005
jcpham: or .0005
azx: "pizzaman1337 | mircea_popescu: I'm guessing you did financial stuff?" - mircea_popescu | in a sense, yeah.
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu its daily 100mhash revenue
azx: just curious
mircea_popescu: as in, expected btc mined ?
kakobrekla: ya
kakobrekla: isnt it clear?
mircea_popescu: was curious if any cost of wattage substracted
kakobrekla: nope
mircea_popescu: what's that for 100mh on gpus, like 10-15 cents ?
kakobrekla: dunno
kakobrekla: im out of gpus for long time
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 430 @ 0.007395 = 3.1799 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1353 @ 0.007395 = 10.0054 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4050 @ 0.0006509 = 2.6361 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6212 @ 0.0006509 = 4.0434 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2304 @ 0.00065185 = 1.5019 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 925 @ 0.00064666 = 0.5982 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4525 @ 0.00064421 = 2.9151 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.0006438 = 6.438 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8900 @ 0.00064372 = 5.7291 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5900 @ 0.0006437 = 3.7978 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1574 @ 0.0006437 = 1.0132 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1926 @ 0.00064358 = 1.2395 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.00064358 = 3.604 BTC [-]
DeadWeasel: ;;asks 19
gribble: There are currently 0 bitcoins offered at or under 19.0 USD, worth 0.0 USD in total.
DeadWeasel: ;;asks 32
gribble: There are currently 46192.853 bitcoins offered at or under 32.0 USD, worth 1106817.5498 USD in total.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 604 @ 0.00737556 = 4.4548 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: A graphics update!
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder haha you mean mpex ?
Bugpowder: it IS easier to view
mircea_popescu: yeah. the reverse color nonsense had to go
kakobrekla: https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/6974317568/hAD51E1D3/
mircea_popescu: ahahaah
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5004 @ 0.00064358 = 3.2205 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7840 @ 0.00064239 = 5.0363 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00065165 = 2.8158 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9742 @ 0.00065185 = 6.3503 BTC [+]
DeadWeasel: ;; bids 19
gribble: There are currently 1491.2595 bitcoins demanded at or over 19.0 USD, worth 28499.0119229 USD in total.
DeadWeasel: asks 30
DeadWeasel: ;;asks 30
gribble: There are currently 38880.635 bitcoins offered at or under 30.0 USD, worth 870816.70782 USD in total.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 17 @ 0.77999999 = 13.26 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.78 = 2.34 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: wait, why are you getting different answers than me
Diablo-D3: [11:08:14] <Diablo-D3> ;;bids 19.33
Diablo-D3: [11:08:18] <gribble> There are currently 43.917217 bitcoins demanded at or over 19.33 USD, worth 849.358102304 USD in total.
Diablo-D3: oh, you went from 19
Diablo-D3: hrm
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 196 @ 0.00737236 = 1.445 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 104 @ 0.007395 = 0.7691 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 51989 @ 0.007395 = 384.4587 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P200T] 815 @ 0.25823903 = 210.4648 BTC [+]
DrufferS: www.btctoys.com if someone fancies sex toys and other stuff like that...just got my order:D:D
Bugpowder: damn. I thought someone just sold me some puts
mircea_popescu: spamming this chan is becoming popular ;/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2394 @ 0.00065167 = 1.5601 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/01/29/should-you-be-concerned-about-obamas-new-sec-chairman-pick/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8250 @ 0.00064972 = 5.3602 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: new sec head. obama declares war on bitcoinz ?
Bugpowder: prob not
mircea_popescu: what;'s this, the 4th woman in a row ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 400 @ 0.00065167 = 0.2607 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=139415.msg1484896#msg1484896
kakobrekla: its over 9000 fyi.
kakobrekla: also the dude should get a domain like 15Kpizza.com or smth
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla over 10k is over 9k overmore.
kakobrekla: not the point
kakobrekla: the cultural reference is 9k
kakobrekla: like the volume and 11.
mircea_popescu: ya well...
mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CYaU3x_nRU
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1527 @ 0.00065167 = 0.9951 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1654 @ 0.00065185 = 1.0782 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2419 @ 0.00065289 = 1.5793 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3050 @ 0.00064972 = 1.9816 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.0006427 = 0.6427 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: kakobrekla: mircea_popescu is too old to understand cultural references
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5650 @ 0.00065021 = 3.6737 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1650 @ 0.00065281 = 1.0771 BTC [+]
DeadWeasel: ;;asks 32
gribble: There are currently 48702.375 bitcoins offered at or under 32.0 USD, worth 1158562.45361 USD in total.
thestringpuller: ;;bids 17
gribble: There are currently 36814.212 bitcoins demanded at or over 17.0 USD, worth 662237.029233 USD in total.
thestringpuller: ;;asks 18
gribble: There are currently 0 bitcoins offered at or under 18.0 USD, worth 0.0 USD in total.
thestringpuller: ;;asks 19
gribble: There are currently 0 bitcoins offered at or under 19.0 USD, worth 0.0 USD in total.
thestringpuller: ;;asks 20
gribble: There are currently 15030.94 bitcoins offered at or under 20.0 USD, worth 298647.633689 USD in total.
thestringpuller: geeeze
DeadWeasel: ;bids 18
Bugpowder: protip : "/msg gribble ;;bids 18"
thestringpuller: not this again
thestringpuller: XP
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2671 @ 0.00065281 = 1.7437 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10029 @ 0.00065289 = 6.5478 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: ls
thestringpuller: ;;later tell Namworld send me an email later if I am not around so that I can get in touch with you about the vps, I wrote up everything this morning. send me a message
gribble: The operation succeeded.
DeadWeasel: bugpowder: mind blown, thank you!
mircea_popescu: ahaha
Bugpowder: I used to be the same way :,-D
thestringpuller: the same way what?
DeadWeasel: gotta start somewhere.
DeadWeasel: ignorant IRC / gribble user. like me.
thestringpuller: lol
DeadWeasel: are there "mutual funds" for bitcoin assets?
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: will there ever be a limited number of seats to mpex?
kakobrekla: yeah
mircea_popescu: possibly.
kakobrekla: most of them are accually mutual scams
mircea_popescu: DeadWeasel we're not quite there yet.
DeadWeasel: seems like the best way to get us ignorant folk into the game. but maybe ignorant folk in the asset game is a bad thing. i don't know.
DeadWeasel: ok
mircea_popescu: it's a pretty bad thing, yes.
mircea_popescu: we don't yet have the infrastructure to support naive investment,
mircea_popescu: and for that matter naive investment doesn't work too well in fiat anyway.
mircea_popescu: "Asking for up to 5btc loan- returning 3%/day in a 2-4 weeks"
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 1.03 ** 365
gribble: 48482.7245275
mircea_popescu: could be worse...
DeadWeasel: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=139755.msg1488452#msg1488452
DeadWeasel: ha
jurov: ^^ Ukto
burnside: heh
burnside: willing to answer any Q's regarding how btct.co actually functions
topace: hmm assbot isnt announcing
jurov: burnside, you seem to take it rather personally
topace: mpex also isnt processing trades
topace: i placed an order, its not in my STAT and it hasnt been executed
mod6: did you get a receipt for your order?
topace: it'd be nice if the BUY response provided the order id
topace: Your order to BUY 3500 S.DICE @0.00750000BTC each has been received and will be processed.
jurov: topace, it may take 20 seconds for order to surface
topace: its been over a minute
mod6: do you have enough in your account to cover the trade?
topace: lol yes
topace: im not a newb here :p
mod6: ummm.
burnside: jurov, yeah, I do. I don't have a pr person to set ppl straight like MP, gotta do it myself. :(
topace: there was also a trade on havelock that wasnt announced by assbot
mod6: arnt you the guy who sent the rounded btc to mircea_popescu?
topace: lol no :p
mod6: hmm.
mod6: *shrug*
jurov: burnside, i mean what is it good for - if after having argument on irc, i'll to go to btctalk and announce there "look he said this, he is a liar, etc"
topace: mircea_popescu: problems?
burnside: well, it'd be one thing if I were here and it were an argument. :)
burnside: or if he'd pm'd and said, "hey, I think there might be a hole"
burnside: as I've done for him a couple of times.
burnside: he's been on the exchange long enough to know it doesn't work like that.
burnside: he's intentionally doing that.
burnside: and it's not the first time...
jurov: hm, i see
mod6: OH. i see what your issue is topace
mod6: there are asks below the amount you put in
mod6: if you want to buy 3500 @ market rate just do: "BUY|S.DICE|3500"
topace: the new pympex requires the 4th parameter
mod6: lol
topace: for the confirmation calculation
mod6: they're doing it wrong then
topace: but you can place a bid higher
Bugpowder: you should never use a market order, ever
mod6: look at the bid/ask list
mod6: nao
topace: i placed a BID for 3500 at 750000
topace: that should get filled
mod6: highest bid: .00728868 for 800
topace: there's asks at 729764
mod6: lwest ask: .00729764 for 1341
topace: and a lot at 739500
topace: rightm so a bid at 750000 should eat up the asks at 0.00729764 and 0.00739500
topace: so, im back to where i was, there's SOMETHING WRONG with the site :p
topace: my order says it was placed
topace: but its not in my order book
mod6: look how many are offfered @ .00749999
topace: SO?
mod6: 480`057
mod6: that is wy
topace: i placed a BID at 750000
Bugpowder: mod6
topace: BID
mod6: you couldn't cover the trade
Bugpowder: u are rong
mircea_popescu: topace the web servers are desynced atm
Bugpowder: if you can cover the trade it adjusts the number of shares
Bugpowder: to max you could buy
Bugpowder: cant
mircea_popescu: back soon.
topace: mircea_popescu: ahh, k, see, i new there was a problem :p
Bugpowder: I have locked myself out of my account like that before.
mod6: :/
mod6: well, sorry.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1341 @ 0.00729764 = 9.7861 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2159 @ 0.007395 = 15.9658 BTC [+]
topace: there it goes :p
Bugpowder: did u reorder it or was it just delayed
mircea_popescu: just delayed
mircea_popescu: <topace> it'd be nice if the BUY response provided the order id << the webserver does not know what ids the orders will end up with.
mircea_popescu: <Bugpowder> you should never use a market order, ever << why not ?
Bugpowder: ok u can use one
topace: ahh
topace: so the webserver just forwards the request on
topace: gotcha
Bugpowder: dangerous in fast moving environment though
Bugpowder: for example S.BBET IPO
Bugpowder: you never know if some dude has placed a big order in front of you
Bugpowder: and blasts away the shares you thought you were buying
Bugpowder: then you end up buying S.DICE at .01 for example
mircea_popescu: well yes Bugpowder. this is quantum finance.
mircea_popescu: limit order guarantees price, doesn't guarantee execution
mircea_popescu: market order guarantees execution, doesn't guarantee price
mircea_popescu: pick your poison
kakobrekla: crystal meth.
mircea_popescu: i wonder if they have crystal meth dildos on sr.
mircea_popescu: should be a killer product.
kakobrekla: would you list sr on mpex
mircea_popescu: mmm. kinda hard to verify their income huh
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9100 @ 0.00065289 = 5.9413 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1524 @ 0.00065289 = 0.995 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3676 @ 0.00065373 = 2.4031 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: lol burnside_afk and ukto having a misunderstanding ?
burnside: seems like it. he has an account on the system, it's easy to see how it works.
burnside: I know he understands it under the hood, he coded the same stuff.
mircea_popescu: i'll tell you something tho, it's good that you changed the way 7day etc volume is presented
mircea_popescu: the 7k@7k stuff was beyond confusing.
burnside: yeah, that was some good input from you guys
burnside: I still don't like it much, but it's better than it was
mircea_popescu: also a point : () is traditionally notation for negative figures
burnside: yeah, one of the reasons I don't like it much.
burnside: I'm not sure what to do with it. I tried <sub> and <sup> variations, etc.
mircea_popescu: heh. leave share count plain make btc sum bold
burnside: that's a good call, will give it a shot.
mircea_popescu: and tot volume is glbse bullshit. either 30 day or 1 year
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 2 @ 0.3399 = 0.6798 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: "total" is absolute nonsense
burnside: you mean the all time total?
mircea_popescu: "Tot Vol"
burnside: that's a good point. I had it in there before I had 30d available, kind of as a sign of "seniority".
mircea_popescu: ya but it leads to comparisons of unlike things
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.34 BTC [+]
burnside: very true, could be dangerous
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3321 @ 0.0006427 = 2.1344 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6360 @ 0.00064239 = 4.0856 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8816 @ 0.00064194 = 5.6593 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12623 @ 0.00064175 = 8.1008 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8875 @ 0.00064129 = 5.6914 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9500 @ 0.00064011 = 6.081 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12550 @ 0.00063952 = 8.026 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10083 @ 0.00063945 = 6.4476 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9900 @ 0.00063765 = 6.3127 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7684 @ 0.00063755 = 4.8989 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.0006373 = 6.373 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25162 @ 0.00063728 = 16.0352 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9950 @ 0.00063715 = 6.3396 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2101 @ 0.00063681 = 1.3379 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4621 @ 0.00063663 = 2.9419 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18945 @ 0.00063637 = 12.056 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4186 @ 0.00063567 = 2.6609 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16997 @ 0.0006356 = 10.8033 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12619 @ 0.00063517 = 8.0152 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12049 @ 0.00063511 = 7.6524 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6200 @ 0.00063443 = 3.9335 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2831 @ 0.00063414 = 1.7953 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4277 @ 0.00063378 = 2.7107 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8010 @ 0.00063369 = 5.0759 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2340 @ 0.00063335 = 1.482 BTC [-]
jurov: dangerous indeed :)
mircea_popescu: !ticker m s.mpoe
mircea_popescu: lol
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00063335 / 0.0006497 / 0.00066703 (1105501 shares, 718.25 BTC), 7D: 0.00059445 / 0.00066286 / 0.0007 (23174858 shares, 15,361.69 BTC), 30D: 0.00059445 / 0.00065485 / 0.0007 (51526236 shares, 33,742.24 BTC)
jurov: lol, good remark (when you see context) http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/17ga7r/longtime_bitcoin_users_what_was_it_like_after_the/c85kquc
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.0006337 = 2.7382 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4029 @ 0.0006335 = 2.5524 BTC [-]
burnside: well, one of the key things I don't want are the ponzi kind of things to take off, so tot volume on those just ends up being a promotion...
mircea_popescu: judging by the recent experience of the gem thingee, btc market is a lot more mature.
mircea_popescu: that thing'd have been so hot a coupla years ago...
mircea_popescu: lol jurov
mircea_popescu: queen of the snide
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13627 @ 0.00063351 = 8.6328 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [X.IDIFF.MAR] 20 @ 0.089 = 1.78 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: omfg. these actually trade ?!
jurov: i'm tryting to do something w/them
mircea_popescu: they should be pretty straightforward, i have no idea why people don't use them a lot more.
jurov: yes, just that trying anything beyond MAR is is just insane
mircea_popescu: not if you have the mining
mircea_popescu: if you actually have a mining farm active you can calculate both the volume and the price at which you should be buying to make a profit.
Bugpowder: it was a reasonable purchase
jurov: whether i do or not, the collateral requirement causes it to be unattractive. compared to what else can be done with the cash
Bugpowder: I was thinking of covering my short 20 MARs
mircea_popescu: triple by midmarch, i guess so
mircea_popescu: jurov if you have a mine you buy them not sell them
Bugpowder: but someone else got it I guess
mircea_popescu: if you have a lot of btc it makes sense to sell some, maybe
mircea_popescu: but the calculations are more complex.
jurov: ic. ust that someone has to offer them
mircea_popescu: one can put a bid in whether someone offers any or not
mircea_popescu: i'd go as far as to say it's financially irresponsible for any large-ish mining operation to not hedge diff
mircea_popescu: but then again i guess miners aren't (yet) too sophisticated, financially.
jurov: perhaps someone can write article to btcmag with all the scenarios ELI5
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.35 = 0.7 BTC [+]
jurov: i can try ask if they'll pay me for that :p
mircea_popescu: o, they pay ?!
kakobrekla: pirate paid.
mircea_popescu: cabfare or what did he payl ol
Namworld: pirate paid for some rum to the waiter.
jurov: i heard at least some ppl from mag got paid veeery nicely :D
Namworld: relaxing on a chair on a tropical island
mircea_popescu: jurov you know this reminds me of that joke, someone asks henry miller what sort of writing pays the best
mircea_popescu: "ransom notes"
jurov: okay. but really, couldn't be the futures covered by S.MPOE for example?
mircea_popescu: what do you mean ?
jurov: when i do MKFUT, instead of bitcoins, mpex would get equivalent value in S.MPOE from my acct into escrow
mircea_popescu: the complexities of automated actuarial calculation tho...
mircea_popescu: how much is stock worth ?
mircea_popescu: seems more logical to either sell the stock or else pledge it as collateral/repo it with someone who specializes in this
jurov: same as you computed the mkt cap: qty*price :D
mircea_popescu: im sure someone would be willing to issue short term loans against mpex assets.
kakobrekla: shit, it has been done with glbse assets
kakobrekla: why not mpex then :)
jurov: quite an idea. i can perhaps plunder smickles' short offering to cover IDIFFs
mircea_popescu: mpex actually has all the infrastructure in place, with the signed pushes
mircea_popescu: you can do quite advanced banking stuff on what mpex offers as is,
mircea_popescu: i'd wager you can implement almost all currently used wall street contract types
mircea_popescu: maybe except for some exoticas
mircea_popescu: exotics*
jurov: infrastructure is there. waiting for people
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.0006534 = 2.8233 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1124 @ 0.00065373 = 0.7348 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 800 @ 0.00065374 = 0.523 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5693 @ 0.00065412 = 3.7239 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: !ticker m s.dice
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00714694 / 0.00738203 / 0.007395 (85953 shares, 634.51 BTC), 7D: 0.00085848 / 0.00542827 / 0.0075 (1238556 shares, 6,723.23 BTC), 30D: 0.00085848 / 0.00431147 / 0.0075 (10632030 shares, 45,839.74 BTC)
smickles: ;;rate mircea_popescu 4 runs MPEx. If he scams us, it's probably a good time to shot bitcoin.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user mircea_popescu has changed from 3 to 4.
kakobrekla: hm
mircea_popescu: ya srsly.
kakobrekla: id go long-er if mp goes
kakobrekla: if i could.
mircea_popescu: whyssat ?
kakobrekla: cause you dont sell coins.
kakobrekla: :)
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 200 @ 0.0075 = 1.5 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ahaha
mircea_popescu: interesting point
mircea_popescu: wait. so if i keep going i benefit bitcoin through developing finance + paying mpoe-pr to aggravate forum people
burnside: mp, the bold volume bit looks good. thx for that.
mircea_popescu: and if i run off i benefit bitcoin through decreased coin supply ?
mircea_popescu: what am i, mafalda ?
mircea_popescu: burnside it does actually look good. cool.
DeadWeasel: run amok, you can't lose!
kakobrekla: yeah, well i guess the question is
kakobrekla: which one of those scenarios
kakobrekla: has bigger weight
mircea_popescu: maybe i could schroedingerize.
jcpham: http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/article38167.html
jcpham: fresh water speculation
jcpham: been saying it for years
mircea_popescu: "Global Elite Rush to Control Water Worldwide"
mircea_popescu: dude this global elite is like global whores.
mircea_popescu: what the fuck.
jcpham: air and water futures will one day rule the markets
Diablo-D3: so what people should do now
mircea_popescu: so buy mineral water
Diablo-D3: is start buying water and air rights
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11750 @ 0.00065254 = 7.6673 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00065403 = 2.8261 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6579 @ 0.00065412 = 4.3035 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4200 @ 0.00065483 = 2.7503 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3150 @ 0.00065483 = 2.0627 BTC [+]
smickles: < Diablo-D3> is start buying water and air rights << iirc, in 'merica those don't technically exist
Diablo-D3: then the rich shouldnt be able to have them either
Diablo-D3: you cant own something that doesnt exist, they put you in the insane asylum for talk like that
DeadWeasel: water rights exist. There are places where it's illegal to collect rainwater
Diablo-D3: DeadWeasel: yes, and those terrorist nations should be ended
DeadWeasel: http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2012/08/16/man-jailed-for-collecting-rainwater-in-illegal-reservoirs-on-his-property/
DeadWeasel: damn right
DeadWeasel: it's happening naturally.
thestringpuller: smickles:
thestringpuller: you around for a moment?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2900 @ 0.00065035 = 1.886 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1612 @ 0.00064706 = 1.0431 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2709 @ 0.00064706 = 1.7529 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2891 @ 0.00064693 = 1.8703 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.0006547 = 2.829 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1479 @ 0.00065483 = 0.9685 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.0261 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 34 @ 0.026 = 0.884 BTC [-]
dub: I thought water rights were a huge deal in some states
Diablo-D3: yes, its a huge deal because no one has any
dub: you have people diverting whole rivers, wasting the water because if they don't take it they'll lose the rights they bought off indians
Schadenfreude: Coinbr checks withdrawal requests manually before accepting them, me likey
Diablo-D3: Schadenfreude: no
Diablo-D3: coinbr PERFORMS them manually
Diablo-D3: its not as clever as you think it is
Schadenfreude: ah, I thought it's a safety feature, not a feat of laziness
Diablo-D3: its all about marketing
smickles: dub: are you sure they don't just have the right to the land, and if the river moves off the land, that's why they lost it
dub: pretty sure it was all about water
dub: was on some natgeo docu
dub: focused on nevada iirc
dub: http://water.nv.gov/waterrights/
smickles: hmm, i wonder what I was thinking of then
dub: we have some interesting wine country where irrigation water comes from races built by 19th century gold miners
dub: the races start in snow melts and run accross many properties but are owned by the property they terminate on, and that owner has the right to do any kind of remedial works onthe other properties to ensure the supply
jurov: lol, feat of laziness ;)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 842 @ 0.00735836 = 6.1957 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: dub: so I'd destroy them if they were on my property
dub: some are little more than a 1m wide trench but worth untold millions in the wine prudction they enable
Diablo-D3: and then shoot anyone who trespasses on my property
dub: Diablo-D3: then I would show up on your property with the police and a lot of earthworking equipment to restore the damage
Diablo-D3: and you would be shot for trespassing
jurov: in 16th century before steam engine invetion, rain actually powered water pumps in gold mines
dub: tearing up your vinyard in the process if you want to be a cunt about it
jurov: no rain = no gold
Diablo-D3: lol, why would I have a vinyard
Diablo-D3: Im not a druggy
Diablo-D3: fucking druggies, just kill them all
dub: thiung is, because we are not Diablo-D3 everyone just gets on with shit and cooperates
dub: its the ~american dream
dub: er !american dream
mircea_popescu: i guess this is why Diablo-D3 doesn't have a propertah
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 890 @ 0.0006471 = 0.5759 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2610 @ 0.00064709 = 1.6889 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: in the US, you cannot own property
mircea_popescu: well what do you want, alodial title ?
smickles: Diablo-D3: you can, but no one will sell it to you
mircea_popescu: heh, dumbass spell check doesn't know what alodial is
Lyspooner: hello friends
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1711 @ 0.00064709 = 1.1072 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6837 @ 0.00064693 = 4.4231 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: Lyspooner heya
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00065475 = 2.8292 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4771 @ 0.00065483 = 3.1242 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2008 @ 0.00065546 = 1.3162 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00065525 = 2.8313 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 279 @ 0.00065546 = 0.1829 BTC [+]
jcpham: <jgarzik> Avalon batch email: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=137534.msg1488869#msg1488869
jcpham: http://puu.sh/1UyQ8
mircea_popescu: so it hashes ?
jborkl: For 1 million I can make you a picture with words in it too
jcpham: ijs
jcpham: it looks like the avlon unit comes pre-flashes with openwrt
jcpham: if i had to guess
jcpham: i see 69 GH/s in cgminer do 800+ shares/min
jcpham: that's not a minirig and it isn't GPU's
dub: U is 968
jcpham: see i'm not even paying attention
dub: so they are stand alone? no host machine required?
jcpham: i've heard that from the beginning
jcpham: i didn't believe it though
jcpham: wrt makes sense. running cgminer on wrt has been avaialbe for a long time
dub: wattage is accurately reported as 'higher than 400w'
dub: (of course)
jcpham: if definitely isn't leading the power consumption race