jurov: another gem: www.btchyip.com 0.30 % daily
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 18.78001, Best ask: 18.81997, Bid-ask spread: 0.03996, Last trade: 18.78001, 24 hour volume: 52827.67385708, 24 hour low: 17.75000, 24 hour high: 18.85000, 24 hour vwap: 18.26568
gribble: There are currently 6900.5812 bitcoins offered at or under 19.0 USD, worth 130674.028466 USD in total.
DeadWeasel_: crap, i left my IRC on at work, I'm not gonna get banned or booted am i?
DeadWeasel_: i have no idea, haven't used IRC in 7 years, just got back in for bitcoin
DeadWeasel_: bitcoin-bots banned me for somereason. only connected once, didn't say anything. weird.
smickles: always a wise choice to rtfm :D
jurov: this btc tabloid is hilarious: "GLBSE went from being a scam-ridden backwater to the home of hundreds of thousands of dollars' worth of investment funds."
jborkl: What does a proper buy order look like?
Bugpowder_: just make sure you dont swap the positions of # of shares and price of shares...
jurov: jborkl, if you use pympex, -h shows an example ,too. with proper quotes.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 5900 @ 0.007395 = 43.6305 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 18.80999, Best ask: 18.81000, Bid-ask spread: 0.00001, Last trade: 18.80999, 24 hour volume: 53584.25565676, 24 hour low: 17.75000, 24 hour high: 18.85000, 24 hour vwap: 18.27732
jurov: 32 would be ok. cause bitbet :P
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6970 @ 0.00065766 = 4.5839 BTC [+]
Bugpowder_: I would be ok with 37, because Tesla model S
Bugpowder_: There has not been a single big dump in this rally
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 4000 @ 0.00139 = 5.56 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3719 @ 0.00065766 = 2.4458 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11650 @ 0.00065393 = 7.6183 BTC [-]
Bugpowder_: I bought like 5 pounds of coffee off him
assbot: [MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0.001139 / 0.00123697 / 0.0015 (11280 shares, 13.95 BTC), 7D: 0.00100006 / 0.00116432 / 0.0015 (44010 shares, 51.24 BTC), 30D: 0.000337 / 0.00079135 / 0.0035 (2311563 shares, 1,829.26 BTC)
dub: my t, v, c, h and possibly other keys don't work in outlook
gribble: There are currently 6540.5084 bitcoins offered at or under 19.0 USD, worth 123910.430553 USD in total.
gribble: There are currently 23987.436 bitcoins offered at or under 20.0 USD, worth 465955.615851 USD in total.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 200 @ 0.00737304 = 1.4746 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 750 @ 0.00737303 = 5.5298 BTC [-]
gribble: There are currently 29960.301 bitcoins demanded at or over 17.0 USD, worth 531395.791806 USD in total.
DeadWeasel_: we used to worry about lag because of headshots. now it's sniping for $$$. long live Quake.
gribble: There are currently 53877.097 bitcoins offered at or under 37.0 USD, worth 1290692.2985 USD in total.
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 168 @ 0.0261 = 4.3848 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 100 @ 0.026 = 2.6 BTC [-]
Bugpowder_: I like to see that as the number of asks go down, the number of bids > 18 keeps going up. Organic bidding rather than impatient bidwalls
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 18.86001, Best ask: 18.87054, Bid-ask spread: 0.01053, Last trade: 18.87054, 24 hour volume: 55495.39610726, 24 hour low: 17.75000, 24 hour high: 18.88000, 24 hour vwap: 18.30617
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 72 @ 0.0089 = 0.6408 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 40 @ 0.009 = 0.36 BTC [+]
DeadWeasel_: how many of you are self-taught traders? you know, without an education in finance, etc?
Bugpowder_: I think losing money trading is the best education for finance.
mircea_popescu: "value of engineer tracks total value of broken equipment"
mircea_popescu: btw Bugpowder_ saw quite a scene today sitting in the cab waiting for girls to drag in the shopping
mircea_popescu: tabby cat running down the street chased by bigger black cat
mircea_popescu: which caught up with it, went on top of it and snapped it's neck
mircea_popescu: that dude was like a fucking assasin, took like .3 seconds flat to do it too
mircea_popescu: better not be hittin' on that cat's bitchez or else he waits on a tree branch above your doorway
DeadWeasel_: so your technology skills are self-taught I assume?
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.0324 BTC [+]
DeadWeasel_: i'm asking these questions, trying to motivate myself to learn to trade some bitcoin assets. i believe in this as crucial piece of the freedom triangle that is humanities future. also, I guess I'm greedy. I want more than I have.
DeadWeasel_: it doesn't seem so, just kinda scary. If I did so, I'd have to wager at least half my savings. as you can guess by the requirements, that is very small.
DeadWeasel_: but I bet on gold, made 2x, selling that, want to go all BTC. all in.
mircea_popescu: DeadWeasel_ why'd you have to wager half your savings ?!
DeadWeasel_: because my saving is awfully small. i've no debt, but not a big cushion either. long story
DeadWeasel_: I am enjoying it. just watching BTC go up and up and up, then way down, then up, the down again, then up alittle. then way up.
smickles: < kakobrekla> i can kick a few so we are under 94. << lol, such a gossip
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 18.75000, Best ask: 18.75960, Bid-ask spread: 0.00960, Last trade: 18.75960, 24 hour volume: 56923.28708903, 24 hour low: 17.75000, 24 hour high: 18.88000, 24 hour vwap: 18.32505
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.007395 = 3.6975 BTC [+]
mod6: 1867 bid @ 18.7 && 1128 asked @ 18.9
mod6: now only 600 @ 18.9
smickles: it's like just reading the name draws a wince out of me
dub: you rounded an mpex deposit?
mod6: i think it may still have some legs...
smickles: i'm considering switching to gnucash from pen and paper, but it only goes to 6 decimals. /me tests using satoshi for everthing
smickles: bah, it forces commas at intervals of 3
mod6: seporators are no matter!
smickles: they bother me when they are there, more than when they arn't
mod6: mpex forced me to learn sat. nat.
mod6: err, satoshi notation
iz: gnucash is pretty good
smickles: lol, i was googling sat. nat.... hopeless
smickles: iz: i've only found issues with securities as liabilities and that it doesn't directly or easily support bitcoin
smickles: for somereason, if i tell it that I have S.DICE on account for THATGUY, it thinks I sold the S.DICE
smickles: mod6: did you learn your sat.nat. with commas every 3 places?
smickles: i didn't, and having them there is annoying
mod6: well, i personally wasn't used to the idea of 2500 sat. as 0.00002500 -- but yeah, i can do without the seperators
mod6: mpex forced me to strictly examine every order's sat value closely
iz: smickles: ah yeah... well, you could get someone to patch it or contrib to it
mod6: but im better for this nao :)
smickles: iz: i think there are patches out there already
smickles: but, it would be easier to stay with my distro's package manager
dub: omg bitcoin broken, panic sell
gribble: There are currently 4983.2012 bitcoins offered at or under 19.0 USD, worth 94441.1376911 USD in total.
smickles: lol, don't use the same random number over and over again
smickles: mircea_popescu: the forced commas are annoying
smickles: 2205644893 is mangled into 2,205,644,893
smickles: 22,0564,4893 would be much nicer
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1900 @ 0.00065393 = 1.2425 BTC [-]
smickles: mircea_popescu: is that not the reason the dev teams always says to use a unique addy for every tx?
mircea_popescu: this is unrelated, the problem is same random number used with diff transactions
kakobrekla: something that normally does not happen
iz: the page says it was a hardware bitcoin wallet
iz: so i assume it was some custom btc client, not the official client
mircea_popescu: afaik the recomendation for ew addy each time is anonimity and some vague "maybe someone cracks the digest"
dub: yes, they're talkign about it in -dev and its come up elsewhere in broken implementations
mircea_popescu: iz it wouldn't surprise me if it were an old client. who knows
dub: <tcatm> lianj: These are from a hardware wallet called bitcoincard(.org) with little entropy.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10138 @ 0.00065393 = 6.6295 BTC [-]
dub: (tcatm is the author)
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.01 BTC [+]
dub: hrmf, this channel used to be cool, edgy and underground
dub: now its all mainstream
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.00065602 = 3.4769 BTC [+]
jcpham: I may have mentioned the channel publicly
iz: mentioned the channel at an indie rock concert you rode your fixie bike to
jcpham: dub let's leave. you go first
dub: yes but only 7 people have read that
mircea_popescu: back when glbse was still going my customers used to read my faq ;/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2500 @ 0.00066274 = 1.6569 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 19.13001, Best ask: 19.19999, Bid-ask spread: 0.06998, Last trade: 19.13001, 24 hour volume: 76946.58851986, 24 hour low: 17.86173, 24 hour high: 19.30000, 24 hour vwap: 18.58421
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 300 @ 0.007395 = 2.2185 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5465 @ 0.00066274 = 3.6219 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2850 @ 0.00066546 = 1.8966 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2400 @ 0.00066572 = 1.5977 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 579 @ 0.00066599 = 0.3856 BTC [+]
topace: hey mircea_popescu, you can ignore my deposit for 112, im dyslexic or need coffee.. it should have been 121 which i did a few seconds later, and sent it properly. :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7150 @ 0.00065556 = 4.6873 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6999 @ 0.00064828 = 4.5373 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 1 @ 0.7101 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 1 @ 0.71 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 41 @ 0.7011 = 28.7451 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 61 @ 0.00728138 = 0.4442 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1955 @ 0.00064828 = 1.2674 BTC [-]
topace: yea havelock sdice passthru hit 0.80
assbot: [HAVELOCK:SDICE] 1D: 0.74000000 / 0.773125 / 0.80000000 (184 shares, 142.25500030 BTC), 7D: 0.44000000 / 0.62780101 / 0.81000000 (1408 shares, 883.94381836 BTC), 30D: 0.37000000 / 0.50651342 / 0.81000000 (5402 shares, 2736.18551824 BTC)
topace: i should go home, its 3.22am
topace: and im still at the office
topace: and i have to be back for a server delivery at 9am
topace: becauase if im not here at 9am, thats when purolator will come
topace: if i am here, they'll be here around 2 in the afternoon
mircea_popescu: you need either a. install a bed or b. chain a girly to the coatrack
topace: soon as i get the mining equipment out of my boardroom, i could sleep on the couch
topace: but that rooms too cold now to sleep there... (the window is open, to keep the mining equipment cool)
topace: and it has a 3200 CFM fan blowing air in :p
topace: cheap cooling in canada in the winter months :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12700 @ 0.0006498 = 8.2525 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12082 @ 0.00064501 = 7.793 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20554 @ 0.00064437 = 13.2444 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4514 @ 0.00064421 = 2.908 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 100 @ 0.00727383 = 0.7274 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 450 @ 0.00725575 = 3.2651 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2550 @ 0.00064989 = 1.6572 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11634 @ 0.00064421 = 7.4947 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 300 @ 0.00722215 = 2.1666 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C160T] 1 @ 0.19941025 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 900 @ 0.00720244 = 6.4822 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P160T] 1 @ 0.08536952 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 250 @ 0.00722215 = 1.8055 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 760 @ 0.0074 = 5.624 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2400 @ 0.00064989 = 1.5597 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22455 @ 0.00064989 = 14.5933 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4953 @ 0.00064989 = 3.2189 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5850 @ 0.00064989 = 3.8019 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9600 @ 0.00064989 = 6.2389 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 100 @ 0.00720244 = 0.7202 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 550 @ 0.00717887 = 3.9484 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 200 @ 0.0071638 = 1.4328 BTC [-]
gribble: There are currently 1957.6893 bitcoins demanded at or over 19.0 USD, worth 37414.8275541 USD in total.
gribble: There are currently 43682.557 bitcoins offered at or under 32.0 USD, worth 1057083.08203 USD in total.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2492 @ 0.00064989 = 1.6195 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6352 @ 0.00065585 = 4.166 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.00066255 = 2.849 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8500 @ 0.00066503 = 5.6528 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 421 @ 0.00066599 = 0.2804 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3051 @ 0.00066703 = 2.0351 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 300 @ 0.00722215 = 2.1666 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 550 @ 0.00714694 = 3.9308 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 19.27520, Best ask: 19.31625, Bid-ask spread: 0.04105, Last trade: 19.35000, 24 hour volume: 82461.46947858, 24 hour low: 17.90100, 24 hour high: 19.78000, 24 hour vwap: 18.75037
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4950 @ 0.00064702 = 3.2027 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 100 @ 0.00722215 = 0.7222 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1289 @ 0.00727383 = 9.376 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 511 @ 0.007395 = 3.7788 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4235 @ 0.00064927 = 2.7497 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1595 @ 0.00064702 = 1.032 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6900 @ 0.00065586 = 4.5254 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00066507 = 2.6603 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1500 @ 0.00064702 = 0.9705 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13627 @ 0.00066541 = 9.0675 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6400 @ 0.00066541 = 4.2586 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 18.77100, Best ask: 18.89974, Bid-ask spread: 0.12874, Last trade: 18.89974, 24 hour volume: 92919.30661248, 24 hour low: 17.90100, 24 hour high: 19.78000, 24 hour vwap: 18.78229
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla i got as far as to where some dood walks in and kills the ho atop him
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu ill pay you 1btc to finish it :)
Bugpowder: it appears some asshole decided to sell 10,000 BTC at 19.75
Bugpowder: MPEX options did not quench this rally
Bugpowder: this one isn't sure what she wants to do.
Bugpowder: also on the 1D chart, it looks like a straight line up
Bugpowder: which my TA skillz says is like totally going to 50
Bugpowder: ponzichart is a little fucked up due to the valuation of these calls
mircea_popescu: that ? isn't that supposed to be a gravestone, ie, end of trend ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2267 @ 0.00064702 = 1.4668 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: assuming midmarket valuation of the calls
Bugpowder: just wait till the price goes to @&
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3800 @ 0.00066541 = 2.5286 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 33 @ 0.03 = 0.99 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8750 @ 0.00065229 = 5.7075 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6238 @ 0.0006509 = 4.0603 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8350 @ 0.0006509 = 5.435 BTC [-]
gribble: There are currently 0 bitcoins demanded at or over 19.0 USD, worth 0.0 USD in total.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 169 @ 0.007395 = 1.2498 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 20 @ 0.0074 = 0.148 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 18.90010, Best ask: 18.98979, Bid-ask spread: 0.08969, Last trade: 18.98979, 24 hour volume: 93620.39733442, 24 hour low: 17.90100, 24 hour high: 19.78000, 24 hour vwap: 18.79166
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9222 @ 0.00064702 = 5.9668 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 18.95000, Best ask: 18.98978, Bid-ask spread: 0.03978, Last trade: 18.95000, 24 hour volume: 92611.87472610, 24 hour low: 17.90100, 24 hour high: 19.78000, 24 hour vwap: 18.79870
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5400 @ 0.00064702 = 3.4939 BTC [-]
jurov: DeadWeasel, i just called ticker. do you have me on ignore? :DDD
DeadWeasel: no sorry, i was registering my nick, text cleared it all off, didn't see it
DeadWeasel: trying to get my IRC feet back under me.
gribble: There are currently 216.72419 bitcoins demanded at or over 19.0 USD, worth 4117.75965731 USD in total.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1800 @ 0.0006509 = 1.1716 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 100 @ 0.027 = 2.7 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66 @ 0.00064702 = 0.0427 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9905 @ 0.00064701 = 6.4086 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 966 @ 0.026 = 25.116 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 14 @ 0.77999999 = 10.92 BTC [-]
gribble: There are currently 708.80583 bitcoins demanded at or over 19.0 USD, worth 13486.4642488 USD in total.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2300 @ 0.00064701 = 1.4881 BTC [-]
topace: avalon really is looking more like a scam isnt it
topace: "yay we shipped! but, you might not get it for a few months, we cant do anything about shipping times"
topace: "now pre-order our next batch before you get the current ones"
topace: i just dont understand WHY they couldnt release a simple video of their units hashing away
topace: well, i do, becuase they dont exist...
topace: i think BFL will deliver in april
kakobrekla: im in contact with 2 different asic devs and none of them has even announced anything, yet i know one was ahead of bfl
mircea_popescu: " Only Bitcoin will allow us to move half a million USD in a few hours into places they are suppose to go to."
topace: "places they are supposed to go" -- aka "into our scam artist pockets before they catch the next plane to south america"
mircea_popescu: "How else did you expect us to produce a functional ASIC unit in the same length of time a competitor has been delayed?"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 976 @ 0.00064701 = 0.6315 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11074 @ 0.00064666 = 7.1611 BTC [-]
azx: if BFL is not delivering, what about those other guys?
mircea_popescu: basic basically admitted they were... lieing about everything.
mircea_popescu: avalon seems pretty much a scam on the strength of this latest move.
azx: let me look up his name. there was a thread how they delivered a ASIC and one gets shipped to BTC foundation and so on
mircea_popescu: i guess there's also the asicminer ppl. tho they're about three weeks late on their revised estimates without a good reason by now/
azx: avalon was a scam too?
azx: I guess anything to do with mining turns out to be a scam sooner or later
mircea_popescu: azx that's what we're discussing. avalon's most recent announcement.
pizzaman1337: mircea_popescu: do you live off of income from your bitcoin activities?
pizzaman1337: what do you do for a living? if you don't mind me asking
gribble: (asks [--over] <pricetarget>) -- Calculate the amount of bitcoins for sale at or under <pricetarget>. If '--over' option is given, find coins or at or over <pricetarget>.
azx: " Avalon need the money before this weekend starts " - lol
gribble: There are currently 9992.735 bitcoins offered at or under 20.0 USD, worth 199300.135435 USD in total.
pizzaman1337: mircea_popescu: I'm guessing you did financial stuff?
gribble: There are currently 18004.054 bitcoins demanded at or over 18.0 USD, worth 331312.635666 USD in total.
dust-otc: mircea_popescu: want to bet that Avalon is a scam?
gribble: smickles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 10 hours, 3 minutes, and 26 seconds ago: <smickles> oh, and it's payably only via bitcoin now
azx: pizzaman1337: read the forums :)
dust-otc: Even odds, Avalon delivers a working ASIC unit by Mar. 1
dust-otc: I don't like the variable odds
dust-otc: and the BFL bet is terribly worded
dust-otc: mircea_popescu: with the terms I listed, i'm willing to bet up to 100btc
dust-otc: so it might be worth your time to keep track of
dust-otc: that they aren't a scam, which requires that they ship, even if slightly delayed/ out of spec
mircea_popescu: dust-otc well... im not sure i want even odds on that, and i'm not sure "a unit" means anything in this context.
mircea_popescu: how about deliver 80% of their first batch by mar 1st. 240 units or w/e it was.
DeadWeasel: Yes, I'll have 14 units of ASICs please.
mircea_popescu: and i can't bring myself to throw 100 btc on this either, im not invested in them either way
mircea_popescu: more of a sporting interest for me than anything else.
dust-otc: I admit that it is possible that Avalon/BFL are scams, especially BFL, but I don't think it is likely
dust-otc: and yet many people seem very sure they are scams
mircea_popescu: their latest move makes it pretty convincing in my eyes.
jurov: yes, really, is it so hard to produce convincing multimedia evidence?
dust-otc: Everyone is getting mad that avalon is taking orders for a 2nd batch before they shipped the first, and yet BFL has been doing this all along
mircea_popescu: the problem with "are scams" arguments in btc is that the chances of it becoming purely semantinc are so high. most are idiots rather than scammers i guess.
dust-otc: jurov: true, they really should post proof
jcpham: and it just keeps going
topace: im okay with them being scams, my fpga's keep plugging along
mircea_popescu: yeah i think fpgas will turn out to be the best investments ever.
topace: the longer asics are delayed, the more moneys worth i get from the fpgas
jcpham: woohoo avalon batch #2
azx: jcpham: So, we have a problem. Avalon need the money before this weekend starts to place orders for the parts. :)
topace: yup more than 100% paid off
topace: and if htey actually do ship asics, each one is worth its trade in value back to them too
jcpham: i like how the price is going up making my gpus seem less crazy
azx: mircea_popescu: you did finance? What exactly?
mircea_popescu: jcpham i suspect the more efficient gpus are atm the baseline
dust-otc: I really should try to fix up some of my gpus
dust-otc: mining is getting fairly profitable again
jcpham: diff rose, price rose, diff dropped, price dropped
jcpham: now the diff is rising again
jcpham: guess what happens next
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 19.39000, Best ask: 19.39224, Bid-ask spread: 0.00224, Last trade: 19.38924, 24 hour volume: 102254.25858682, 24 hour low: 17.90100, 24 hour high: 19.80000, 24 hour vwap: 18.88041
jcpham: ;;calc 102254*[ticker --avg]
jcpham: ;;calc 102254*[ticker --avg]*.0005
azx: "pizzaman1337 | mircea_popescu: I'm guessing you did financial stuff?" - mircea_popescu | in a sense, yeah.
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu its daily 100mhash revenue
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 430 @ 0.007395 = 3.1799 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1353 @ 0.007395 = 10.0054 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4050 @ 0.0006509 = 2.6361 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6212 @ 0.0006509 = 4.0434 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2304 @ 0.00065185 = 1.5019 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 925 @ 0.00064666 = 0.5982 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4525 @ 0.00064421 = 2.9151 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.0006438 = 6.438 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8900 @ 0.00064372 = 5.7291 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5900 @ 0.0006437 = 3.7978 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1574 @ 0.0006437 = 1.0132 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1926 @ 0.00064358 = 1.2395 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.00064358 = 3.604 BTC [-]
gribble: There are currently 0 bitcoins offered at or under 19.0 USD, worth 0.0 USD in total.
gribble: There are currently 46192.853 bitcoins offered at or under 32.0 USD, worth 1106817.5498 USD in total.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 604 @ 0.00737556 = 4.4548 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5004 @ 0.00064358 = 3.2205 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7840 @ 0.00064239 = 5.0363 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00065165 = 2.8158 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9742 @ 0.00065185 = 6.3503 BTC [+]
gribble: There are currently 1491.2595 bitcoins demanded at or over 19.0 USD, worth 28499.0119229 USD in total.
gribble: There are currently 38880.635 bitcoins offered at or under 30.0 USD, worth 870816.70782 USD in total.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 17 @ 0.77999999 = 13.26 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.78 = 2.34 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: wait, why are you getting different answers than me
Diablo-D3: [11:08:14] <Diablo-D3> ;;bids 19.33
Diablo-D3: [11:08:18] <gribble> There are currently 43.917217 bitcoins demanded at or over 19.33 USD, worth 849.358102304 USD in total.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 196 @ 0.00737236 = 1.445 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 104 @ 0.007395 = 0.7691 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 51989 @ 0.007395 = 384.4587 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P200T] 815 @ 0.25823903 = 210.4648 BTC [+]
DrufferS: www.btctoys.com if someone fancies sex toys and other stuff like that...just got my order:D:D
Bugpowder: damn. I thought someone just sold me some puts
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2394 @ 0.00065167 = 1.5601 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8250 @ 0.00064972 = 5.3602 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 400 @ 0.00065167 = 0.2607 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: also the dude should get a domain like 15Kpizza.com or smth
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1527 @ 0.00065167 = 0.9951 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1654 @ 0.00065185 = 1.0782 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2419 @ 0.00065289 = 1.5793 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3050 @ 0.00064972 = 1.9816 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.0006427 = 0.6427 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: kakobrekla: mircea_popescu is too old to understand cultural references
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5650 @ 0.00065021 = 3.6737 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1650 @ 0.00065281 = 1.0771 BTC [+]
gribble: There are currently 48702.375 bitcoins offered at or under 32.0 USD, worth 1158562.45361 USD in total.
gribble: There are currently 36814.212 bitcoins demanded at or over 17.0 USD, worth 662237.029233 USD in total.
gribble: There are currently 0 bitcoins offered at or under 18.0 USD, worth 0.0 USD in total.
gribble: There are currently 0 bitcoins offered at or under 19.0 USD, worth 0.0 USD in total.
gribble: There are currently 15030.94 bitcoins offered at or under 20.0 USD, worth 298647.633689 USD in total.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2671 @ 0.00065281 = 1.7437 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10029 @ 0.00065289 = 6.5478 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: ;;later tell Namworld send me an email later if I am not around so that I can get in touch with you about the vps, I wrote up everything this morning. send me a message
DeadWeasel: are there "mutual funds" for bitcoin assets?
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: will there ever be a limited number of seats to mpex?
kakobrekla: most of them are accually mutual scams
DeadWeasel: seems like the best way to get us ignorant folk into the game. but maybe ignorant folk in the asset game is a bad thing. i don't know.
mircea_popescu: we don't yet have the infrastructure to support naive investment,
mircea_popescu: and for that matter naive investment doesn't work too well in fiat anyway.
mircea_popescu: "Asking for up to 5btc loan- returning 3%/day in a 2-4 weeks"
burnside: willing to answer any Q's regarding how btct.co actually functions
topace: hmm assbot isnt announcing
jurov: burnside, you seem to take it rather personally
topace: mpex also isnt processing trades
topace: i placed an order, its not in my STAT and it hasnt been executed
mod6: did you get a receipt for your order?
topace: it'd be nice if the BUY response provided the order id
topace: Your order to BUY 3500 S.DICE @0.00750000BTC each has been received and will be processed.
jurov: topace, it may take 20 seconds for order to surface
topace: its been over a minute
mod6: do you have enough in your account to cover the trade?
burnside: jurov, yeah, I do. I don't have a pr person to set ppl straight like MP, gotta do it myself. :(
topace: there was also a trade on havelock that wasnt announced by assbot
mod6: arnt you the guy who sent the rounded btc to mircea_popescu?
jurov: burnside, i mean what is it good for - if after having argument on irc, i'll to go to btctalk and announce there "look he said this, he is a liar, etc"
topace: mircea_popescu: problems?
burnside: well, it'd be one thing if I were here and it were an argument. :)
burnside: or if he'd pm'd and said, "hey, I think there might be a hole"
burnside: as I've done for him a couple of times.
burnside: he's been on the exchange long enough to know it doesn't work like that.
burnside: he's intentionally doing that.
burnside: and it's not the first time...
mod6: OH. i see what your issue is topace
mod6: there are asks below the amount you put in
mod6: if you want to buy 3500 @ market rate just do: "BUY|S.DICE|3500"
topace: the new pympex requires the 4th parameter
topace: for the confirmation calculation
mod6: they're doing it wrong then
topace: but you can place a bid higher
Bugpowder: you should never use a market order, ever
mod6: look at the bid/ask list
topace: i placed a BID for 3500 at 750000
topace: that should get filled
mod6: highest bid: .00728868 for 800
topace: there's asks at 729764
mod6: lwest ask: .00729764 for 1341
topace: rightm so a bid at 750000 should eat up the asks at 0.00729764 and 0.00739500
topace: so, im back to where i was, there's SOMETHING WRONG with the site :p
topace: my order says it was placed
topace: but its not in my order book
mod6: look how many are offfered @ .00749999
topace: i placed a BID at 750000
mod6: you couldn't cover the trade
Bugpowder: if you can cover the trade it adjusts the number of shares
topace: mircea_popescu: ahh, k, see, i new there was a problem :p
Bugpowder: I have locked myself out of my account like that before.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1341 @ 0.00729764 = 9.7861 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2159 @ 0.007395 = 15.9658 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: did u reorder it or was it just delayed
mircea_popescu: <topace> it'd be nice if the BUY response provided the order id << the webserver does not know what ids the orders will end up with.
mircea_popescu: <Bugpowder> you should never use a market order, ever << why not ?
topace: so the webserver just forwards the request on
Bugpowder: dangerous in fast moving environment though
Bugpowder: you never know if some dude has placed a big order in front of you
Bugpowder: and blasts away the shares you thought you were buying
Bugpowder: then you end up buying S.DICE at .01 for example
mircea_popescu: limit order guarantees price, doesn't guarantee execution
mircea_popescu: market order guarantees execution, doesn't guarantee price
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9100 @ 0.00065289 = 5.9413 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1524 @ 0.00065289 = 0.995 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3676 @ 0.00065373 = 2.4031 BTC [+]
burnside: seems like it. he has an account on the system, it's easy to see how it works.
burnside: I know he understands it under the hood, he coded the same stuff.
mircea_popescu: i'll tell you something tho, it's good that you changed the way 7day etc volume is presented
burnside: yeah, that was some good input from you guys
burnside: I still don't like it much, but it's better than it was
mircea_popescu: also a point : () is traditionally notation for negative figures
burnside: yeah, one of the reasons I don't like it much.
burnside: I'm not sure what to do with it. I tried <sub> and <sup> variations, etc.
burnside: that's a good call, will give it a shot.
mircea_popescu: and tot volume is glbse bullshit. either 30 day or 1 year
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 2 @ 0.3399 = 0.6798 BTC [-]
burnside: that's a good point. I had it in there before I had 30d available, kind of as a sign of "seniority".
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.34 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3321 @ 0.0006427 = 2.1344 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6360 @ 0.00064239 = 4.0856 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8816 @ 0.00064194 = 5.6593 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12623 @ 0.00064175 = 8.1008 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8875 @ 0.00064129 = 5.6914 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9500 @ 0.00064011 = 6.081 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12550 @ 0.00063952 = 8.026 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10083 @ 0.00063945 = 6.4476 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9900 @ 0.00063765 = 6.3127 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7684 @ 0.00063755 = 4.8989 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.0006373 = 6.373 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25162 @ 0.00063728 = 16.0352 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9950 @ 0.00063715 = 6.3396 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2101 @ 0.00063681 = 1.3379 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4621 @ 0.00063663 = 2.9419 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18945 @ 0.00063637 = 12.056 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4186 @ 0.00063567 = 2.6609 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16997 @ 0.0006356 = 10.8033 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12619 @ 0.00063517 = 8.0152 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12049 @ 0.00063511 = 7.6524 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6200 @ 0.00063443 = 3.9335 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2831 @ 0.00063414 = 1.7953 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4277 @ 0.00063378 = 2.7107 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8010 @ 0.00063369 = 5.0759 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2340 @ 0.00063335 = 1.482 BTC [-]
jurov: dangerous indeed :)
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00063335 / 0.0006497 / 0.00066703 (1105501 shares, 718.25 BTC), 7D: 0.00059445 / 0.00066286 / 0.0007 (23174858 shares, 15,361.69 BTC), 30D: 0.00059445 / 0.00065485 / 0.0007 (51526236 shares, 33,742.24 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.0006337 = 2.7382 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4029 @ 0.0006335 = 2.5524 BTC [-]
burnside: well, one of the key things I don't want are the ponzi kind of things to take off, so tot volume on those just ends up being a promotion...
mircea_popescu: judging by the recent experience of the gem thingee, btc market is a lot more mature.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13627 @ 0.00063351 = 8.6328 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [X.IDIFF.MAR] 20 @ 0.089 = 1.78 BTC [+]
jurov: i'm tryting to do something w/them
mircea_popescu: they should be pretty straightforward, i have no idea why people don't use them a lot more.
jurov: yes, just that trying anything beyond MAR is is just insane
mircea_popescu: if you actually have a mining farm active you can calculate both the volume and the price at which you should be buying to make a profit.
jurov: whether i do or not, the collateral requirement causes it to be unattractive. compared to what else can be done with the cash
Bugpowder: I was thinking of covering my short 20 MARs
mircea_popescu: if you have a lot of btc it makes sense to sell some, maybe
jurov: ic. ust that someone has to offer them
mircea_popescu: one can put a bid in whether someone offers any or not
mircea_popescu: i'd go as far as to say it's financially irresponsible for any large-ish mining operation to not hedge diff
mircea_popescu: but then again i guess miners aren't (yet) too sophisticated, financially.
jurov: perhaps someone can write article to btcmag with all the scenarios ELI5
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.35 = 0.7 BTC [+]
jurov: i can try ask if they'll pay me for that :p
Namworld: pirate paid for some rum to the waiter.
jurov: i heard at least some ppl from mag got paid veeery nicely :D
Namworld: relaxing on a chair on a tropical island
mircea_popescu: jurov you know this reminds me of that joke, someone asks henry miller what sort of writing pays the best
jurov: okay. but really, couldn't be the futures covered by S.MPOE for example?
jurov: when i do MKFUT, instead of bitcoins, mpex would get equivalent value in S.MPOE from my acct into escrow
mircea_popescu: the complexities of automated actuarial calculation tho...
mircea_popescu: seems more logical to either sell the stock or else pledge it as collateral/repo it with someone who specializes in this
jurov: same as you computed the mkt cap: qty*price :D
mircea_popescu: im sure someone would be willing to issue short term loans against mpex assets.
kakobrekla: shit, it has been done with glbse assets
jurov: quite an idea. i can perhaps plunder smickles' short offering to cover IDIFFs
mircea_popescu: mpex actually has all the infrastructure in place, with the signed pushes
mircea_popescu: you can do quite advanced banking stuff on what mpex offers as is,
mircea_popescu: i'd wager you can implement almost all currently used wall street contract types
jurov: infrastructure is there. waiting for people
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.0006534 = 2.8233 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1124 @ 0.00065373 = 0.7348 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 800 @ 0.00065374 = 0.523 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5693 @ 0.00065412 = 3.7239 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00714694 / 0.00738203 / 0.007395 (85953 shares, 634.51 BTC), 7D: 0.00085848 / 0.00542827 / 0.0075 (1238556 shares, 6,723.23 BTC), 30D: 0.00085848 / 0.00431147 / 0.0075 (10632030 shares, 45,839.74 BTC)
smickles: ;;rate mircea_popescu 4 runs MPEx. If he scams us, it's probably a good time to shot bitcoin.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user mircea_popescu has changed from 3 to 4.
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 200 @ 0.0075 = 1.5 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: wait. so if i keep going i benefit bitcoin through developing finance + paying mpoe-pr to aggravate forum people
burnside: mp, the bold volume bit looks good. thx for that.
mircea_popescu: and if i run off i benefit bitcoin through decreased coin supply ?
jcpham: fresh water speculation
jcpham: been saying it for years
jcpham: air and water futures will one day rule the markets
Diablo-D3: is start buying water and air rights
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11750 @ 0.00065254 = 7.6673 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00065403 = 2.8261 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6579 @ 0.00065412 = 4.3035 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4200 @ 0.00065483 = 2.7503 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3150 @ 0.00065483 = 2.0627 BTC [+]
smickles: < Diablo-D3> is start buying water and air rights << iirc, in 'merica those don't technically exist
Diablo-D3: then the rich shouldnt be able to have them either
Diablo-D3: you cant own something that doesnt exist, they put you in the insane asylum for talk like that
DeadWeasel: water rights exist. There are places where it's illegal to collect rainwater
Diablo-D3: DeadWeasel: yes, and those terrorist nations should be ended
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2900 @ 0.00065035 = 1.886 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1612 @ 0.00064706 = 1.0431 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2709 @ 0.00064706 = 1.7529 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2891 @ 0.00064693 = 1.8703 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.0006547 = 2.829 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1479 @ 0.00065483 = 0.9685 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.0261 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 34 @ 0.026 = 0.884 BTC [-]
dub: I thought water rights were a huge deal in some states
Diablo-D3: yes, its a huge deal because no one has any
dub: you have people diverting whole rivers, wasting the water because if they don't take it they'll lose the rights they bought off indians
Schadenfreude: Coinbr checks withdrawal requests manually before accepting them, me likey
Diablo-D3: its not as clever as you think it is
Schadenfreude: ah, I thought it's a safety feature, not a feat of laziness
smickles: dub: are you sure they don't just have the right to the land, and if the river moves off the land, that's why they lost it
dub: pretty sure it was all about water
dub: was on some natgeo docu
dub: focused on nevada iirc
smickles: hmm, i wonder what I was thinking of then
dub: we have some interesting wine country where irrigation water comes from races built by 19th century gold miners
dub: the races start in snow melts and run accross many properties but are owned by the property they terminate on, and that owner has the right to do any kind of remedial works onthe other properties to ensure the supply
jurov: lol, feat of laziness ;)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 842 @ 0.00735836 = 6.1957 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: dub: so I'd destroy them if they were on my property
dub: some are little more than a 1m wide trench but worth untold millions in the wine prudction they enable
Diablo-D3: and then shoot anyone who trespasses on my property
dub: Diablo-D3: then I would show up on your property with the police and a lot of earthworking equipment to restore the damage
Diablo-D3: and you would be shot for trespassing
jurov: in 16th century before steam engine invetion, rain actually powered water pumps in gold mines
dub: tearing up your vinyard in the process if you want to be a cunt about it
Diablo-D3: fucking druggies, just kill them all
dub: thiung is, because we are not Diablo-D3 everyone just gets on with shit and cooperates
dub: its the ~american dream
mircea_popescu: i guess this is why Diablo-D3 doesn't have a propertah
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 890 @ 0.0006471 = 0.5759 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2610 @ 0.00064709 = 1.6889 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: in the US, you cannot own property
smickles: Diablo-D3: you can, but no one will sell it to you
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1711 @ 0.00064709 = 1.1072 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6837 @ 0.00064693 = 4.4231 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00065475 = 2.8292 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4771 @ 0.00065483 = 3.1242 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2008 @ 0.00065546 = 1.3162 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00065525 = 2.8313 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 279 @ 0.00065546 = 0.1829 BTC [+]
jborkl: For 1 million I can make you a picture with words in it too
jcpham: it looks like the avlon unit comes pre-flashes with openwrt
jcpham: i see 69 GH/s in cgminer do 800+ shares/min
jcpham: that's not a minirig and it isn't GPU's
jcpham: see i'm not even paying attention
dub: so they are stand alone? no host machine required?
jcpham: i've heard that from the beginning
jcpham: i didn't believe it though
jcpham: wrt makes sense. running cgminer on wrt has been avaialbe for a long time
dub: wattage is accurately reported as 'higher than 400w'
jcpham: if definitely isn't leading the power consumption race