mircea_popescu: but i guess there may be second-level delays due to chain parsing etc
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1day: 0.004312 / 0.00461688 / 0.0047888 (108318 shares, 500.09 BTC), 30day: 0.0014 / 0.00334312 / 0.0048 (13765692 shares, 46,020.49 BTC)
mircea_popescu: this is pretty good tho, bitbet seems stuck on 100 btc bet a day
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 13.51931, Best ask: 13.53998, Bid-ask spread: 0.02067, Last trade: 13.53998, 24 hour volume: 21012.52240497, 24 hour low: 13.40400, 24 hour high: 13.54999, 24 hour vwap: 13.49166
Bugpowder: I think the site can be a success with the right exposure and the right audience with enough coins and interest in the propositions
mircea_popescu: i guess i could do two-point linear three point polynomial four point spline
mircea_popescu: except i doubt there's five ppl in btc who could read and comprehend the faq for that in one pass.
Bugpowder: actually linear is probably ok for all events
Bugpowder: just have a selectable slope, i.e. final decay point
Bugpowder: 0 for events that could be triggered at any time (ie earthquake)
Bugpowder: I can see the utitility for things like earthwuake
Bugpowder: 85,000 for binary events taht occur once at a known time (sporting event)
Bugpowder: 85,000 / 2^(n-1) for sporting tournaments where n is the number of rounds and you are betting on the winner (maybe)
PsychoticBoy: 1 day shipping , new record, got the tracking code
PsychoticBoy: had one ordered on ebay before contacting BFL though
jcpham: i say a BFL single on ebay starting at 600 the other day
jcpham: why i was on ebay i shudder to remember
jcpham: <dub> don't make obama fire a tornado at you
PsychoticBoy: I oredered a new PSU, send them an email yesterday and they offered a new PSU for free and its already in the mail
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P140T] 96 @ 0.13595559 = 13.0517 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 13.50000, Best ask: 13.54467, Bid-ask spread: 0.04467, Last trade: 13.54467, 24 hour volume: 23705.29840652, 24 hour low: 13.40400, 24 hour high: 13.58900, 24 hour vwap: 13.49859
mircea_popescu: it occurs to me, the logical thing would be for someone with little capital but a journalism degree to start a bitcoin financials blog
mircea_popescu: just the tips he can pick up idling in this chan are enough to guarantee success.
Bugpowder: kalkobrekla was wrong about the bet closing time
dub: mircea_popescu: last I checked OneFixt was making fuck all doing that
dub: mircea_popescu: via IRC tho, not blawg
Bugpowder: " <Bugpowder> like start of the day or end of day midnight GMT [15:03] <Bugpowder> ? [15:03] <Bugpowder> 00:00 or 24:00 :) [15:04] <kakobrekla> end"
Bugpowder: actually it looks like its start of day, based on the cutoff times on the website.
Bugpowder: well atlanta is actually favored 3:2
Anduck: mircea_popescu: why not bet title in the uri?
kakobrekla: umm yeah bugpowder i checked b4 as i said
kakobrekla: but i forgot to tell you looks like its the start of that day that ends the bet
Anduck: mircea_popescu: fix it
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla ya but the idea is to not have to type it out
mircea_popescu: when i rightclick on a bet, i wanna copy the named url
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00471151 = 4.7115 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1823 @ 0.00471152 = 8.5891 BTC [+]
Anduck: u could see the bet from the URI itself!!!
Anduck: u dont need to open the link
Anduck: to see what the bet is for
kakobrekla: cause someone will want that juice in the url
mircea_popescu: Anduck you know, for this very valuable obvious observation you get 1 btc
mircea_popescu: pick a bet, put an addy in, paste where the btc should go and i'll send it
Anduck: mircea_popescu: thank you, i'll pick one! haha
Anduck: no way gavin is giving up yet
Anduck: accidently gave u my own address lol
Anduck: thanks, sent it to bet addr now
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2469 @ 0.00470145 = 11.6079 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C100T] 300 @ 0.36086651 = 108.26 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C120T] 800 @ 0.24098641 = 192.7891 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C110T] 500 @ 0.2969264 = 148.4632 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: 19:29.44 ( kakobrekla ) ;;later tell namworld PS, somebody please tell bitvps to fix their SSL certificate, I can't pay my bill with them until they do this. If they don't get their act together right-quick I'm dropping them from the signcryption network. I've been pestering them about this for two weeks now and am pretty unimpressed with the lack of any sort of response.
kakobrekla: 19:29.45 ( gribble ) The operation succeeded.
Ukto: this looks awfully familiar to another site i recently linked you
Ukto: is this the same site just redone ?
Ukto: or a diff site knocking them off
Ukto: i wann say it was called bitbet
Ukto: it worked teh exact same way
Ukto: too lazy to dig thru logs
kakobrekla: the only one that has simmilar system is betsofbitcoin
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00063604 = 6.3604 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6200 @ 0.00063603 = 3.9434 BTC [-]
Namworld: I never read the gribble window =/
Namworld: When I log in, I get auto-authed
Namworld: so the window flash anyway and I don't manually check it.
Namworld: I just assume it's my usual authing.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5900 @ 0.00064339 = 3.796 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00065038 = 6.5038 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 900 @ 0.00065039 = 0.5854 BTC [+]
Namworld: Why do you ask me to tell BitVPS something? I was not aware BitVPS was a person.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 901 @ 0.00463113 = 4.1726 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 530 @ 0.00463113 = 2.4545 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 550 @ 0.00464578 = 2.5552 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 719 @ 0.00471152 = 3.3876 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3642 @ 0.00063603 = 2.3164 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3435 @ 0.0006352 = 2.1819 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2397 @ 0.00464456 = 11.133 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22200 @ 0.00065039 = 14.4387 BTC [+]
PeterL: does S.MPOE or s.dice have a higher market cap?
pigeons: stupid hotel dns taking me to Midwest Photo EXchange
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1day: 0.0006352 / 0.00064186 / 0.00065144 (256905 shares, 164.90 BTC), 30day: 0.0005119 / 0.00060777 / 0.00066 (53942947 shares, 32,784.98 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1day: 0.004312 / 0.00463033 / 0.0047888 (110857 shares, 513.30 BTC), 30day: 0.0014 / 0.00334413 / 0.0048 (13774781 shares, 46,064.74 BTC)
Anduck: pigeons: try mpex.co, not com
pigeons: yeah tell my browser not to try .com when my dns doesnt answer for .co
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1996 @ 0.00464456 = 9.2705 BTC [-]
Anduck: then use polimedia.us/bitcoin/mpex.php
pigeons: which i don't get a dns response for
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.0046095 = 4.6095 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1100 @ 0.00460951 = 5.0705 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1234 @ 0.00460951 = 5.6881 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 158 @ 0.00471152 = 0.7444 BTC [+]
Namworld: Just wondering if it was you. I recall seeing you around the forums.
Namworld: This be a small community indeed.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10588 @ 0.00065038 = 6.8862 BTC [-]
Ukto: I was actually just thinking about contacting you
mircea_popescu: ok, so if anyone interested, bitbet advertising seems like a decent revenue stream too.
mircea_popescu: it works on a rotator model whereby people can send btc and figure proportionally with the total paid.
mircea_popescu: all revenue goes to 1CnqxD4NnRsukc1Ni2oZR3ERc2g2WVnqw so it can be easily audited
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1650 @ 0.00473622 = 7.8148 BTC [+]
pigeons: everything's working now, .ws too
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9412 @ 0.00065038 = 6.1214 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3070 @ 0.00065039 = 1.9967 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9918 @ 0.00065196 = 6.4661 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C130T] 54 @ 0.192 = 10.368 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C130T] 296 @ 0.19427821 = 57.5064 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00478879 = 4.7888 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1500 @ 0.0047888 = 7.1832 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 350 @ 0.00473622 = 1.6577 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 546 @ 0.00473621 = 2.586 BTC [-]
jcpham: you saw that touchdown?
jcpham: lacy walked in with the first td\
dub: after 25 ass slaps and only 487 minutes of advertising
jcpham: ncaa used to not be so bad
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 761 @ 0.00472911 = 3.5989 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00064354 = 3.2177 BTC [-]
jcpham: i may have to get off irc
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20392 @ 0.00064354 = 13.1231 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00064354 = 6.0493 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: dub i bet you the crack you buy for tide has tide in it.
abracadabra: if they review that and still call it a fumble
jcpham: i want t o design a sports book so bad
jcpham: that has vegas odds and such
jcpham: i just gave someone a million dollar idea
pigeons: oh shit, a million dollar idea? i've been waiting for one of those
pigeons: do dawg i heard you like tide in your crack
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 900 @ 0.00467825 = 4.2104 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1day: 0.004312 / 0.00464061 / 0.0047888 (117830 shares, 546.80 BTC), 30day: 0.0014 / 0.00334532 / 0.0048 (13784976 shares, 46,115.26 BTC)
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 13.59378, Best ask: 13.63974, Bid-ask spread: 0.04596, Last trade: 13.59377, 24 hour volume: 31951.91670253, 24 hour low: 13.40400, 24 hour high: 13.72999, 24 hour vwap: 13.53367
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12700 @ 0.00064354 = 8.173 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2000 @ 0.00457186 = 9.1437 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 242 @ 0.00457185 = 1.1064 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: as I said.... the people who say the most bullshit things get the most press, for a while
Bugpowder: The gov should just start mining coins
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1944 @ 0.0046308 = 9.0023 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 13.63401, Best ask: 13.64997, Bid-ask spread: 0.01596, Last trade: 13.63401, 24 hour volume: 31774.26076992, 24 hour low: 13.40400, 24 hour high: 13.72999, 24 hour vwap: 13.53397
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2450 @ 0.00460593 = 11.2845 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1346 @ 0.00457186 = 6.1537 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: Rep. Jerrold Nadler, D-N.Y., told Capital New York that the "out of the ordinary" idea could actually work.
mircea_popescu: "I'm being absolutely serious," he said. "It sounds silly, but it's absolutely legal."
mircea_popescu: dude... legal and works are motherfucking worlds apart
mircea_popescu: the best thing the us could do right now is simply have everyone everyone in washington that ever worked for the govt round up and shot
Bugpowder: just some ass that wants his name in print
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder no see, he;'s not just some ass, he's an elected rep.
mircea_popescu: "The likelihood of this happening is about as likely as the checkers scenario. But the argument in its favor is that minting a trillion-dollar coin is a commensurately ridiculous response to Congress refusing to pay debts it has already accumulated. "
mircea_popescu: this ain't at all the case. congress refusal to lift the ceiling for the 100th time is pretty much the only sane thing going on atm.
mircea_popescu: and specifically it was NOT congress that accumulated any debt. it was the obama lackeys
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1256 @ 0.0046308 = 5.8163 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.00465993 = 2.33 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: he has awife, she can work, i'd do 10 bux for a blowjob.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 44 @ 0.00467825 = 0.2058 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 13.68126, Best ask: 13.69898, Bid-ask spread: 0.01772, Last trade: 13.69899, 24 hour volume: 33966.24160877, 24 hour low: 13.40400, 24 hour high: 13.72999, 24 hour vwap: 13.54459
Bugpowder: These are the highest sports bets on betsofbitcoin
Bugpowder: this is the middle of the NFL playoffs
Bugpowder: there is over 1BB bet on the playoffs
mircea_popescu: tho, two years ago bitcoin couldn't hardly buy a pizza, so, it's a curve.
Bugpowder: betsofbitcoin had more NFL bets last year
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 13.68126, Best ask: 13.68501, Bid-ask spread: 0.00375, Last trade: 13.68125, 24 hour volume: 35430.52112454, 24 hour low: 13.40400, 24 hour high: 13.72999, 24 hour vwap: 13.55233
Bugpowder: since it has been goin up at least
Bugpowder: thats well above the recent average over a timescale of more than 2-3 hours
Bugpowder: now we just need the S.DICE whales to come back and shit will be rockin
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 13.63591, Best ask: 13.70999, Bid-ask spread: 0.07408, Last trade: 13.63590, 24 hour volume: 36239.15878320, 24 hour low: 13.40400, 24 hour high: 13.72999, 24 hour vwap: 13.55595
Bugpowder: Also... approaching the Dec 14th high
Bugpowder: after that, its a post-pirate high
Bugpowder: And that was basically an interday high
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11000 @ 0.00064312 = 7.0743 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5517 @ 0.00064311 = 3.548 BTC [-]
Dr-X: and hopefully the whale loses, I want dividends
Dr-X: there are no profits yet, revenue has been low, except me losing some coins :P
Bugpowder: its usually a week between appearances
Dr-X: I just dumped my shares on bitfunder, meh :P
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4731 @ 0.00064354 = 3.0446 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26769 @ 0.00064497 = 17.2652 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 802 @ 0.00461807 = 3.7037 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 198 @ 0.00457186 = 0.9052 BTC [-]
Dr-X: 1.9% profit is too low, stock price too high, price will fall when price to dollar goes up I think, I just had too many... :P
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3150 @ 0.00464989 = 14.6472 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 456 @ 0.00467825 = 2.1333 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 771 @ 0.00468222 = 3.61 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 5250 @ 0.0046881 = 24.6125 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 373 @ 0.00469803 = 1.7524 BTC [+]
gribble: Current Blocks: 215664 | Current Difficulty: 2979636.6169381 | Next Difficulty At Block: 215711 | Next Difficulty In: 47 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 7 hours, 22 minutes, and 35 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 3242850.21341859 | Estimated Percent Change: 8.83374821561
Dr-X: who wants to see me cry?
Dr-X: 20.01337666 WIN 39.16567812 22359 no one good :P
Dr-X: I basically just robbed myself
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 956 @ 0.00457186 = 4.3707 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1208 @ 0.00457185 = 5.5228 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1036 @ 0.00456935 = 4.7338 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 864 @ 0.00456935 = 3.9479 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 600 @ 0.00454441 = 2.7266 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 436 @ 0.00453597 = 1.9777 BTC [-]
Dr-X: 439.56800000 LOSE 2.19734000 38552
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 564 @ 0.00457522 = 2.5804 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1833 @ 0.00064311 = 1.1788 BTC [-]
leotreasure: anybody lost money or bitcoins in Crypto X Change on here?
jcpham: i also have never used them
jcpham: that's one moneth's mortgage
jcpham: 3300 might irritate me
jcpham: i live at the very top of a house of cards
mircea_popescu: you have no business keeping too much money on "exchanges"
mircea_popescu: jcpham now why'd you do that ? houses of cards are dafty.
jcpham: my whole country and culture does it
Dr-X: he could go to a country where suicide is covered by life insurance
Dr-X: in germany suicide is covered after 3 years, before that only if you're crazy
kakobrekla: the logo doesnt go over the banner anymore, no.
mircea_popescu: i kinda liked it myself, but... yeah. nothing to be done.
kakobrekla: to bet "Yes" on "Bitcoin below 13.00$ before January 15th, 2013 ".
kakobrekla: Your bet will appear in the confirmed bets list shortly after 1st confirmation.
Dr-X: Can I bet there without making an account?
Dr-X: cool, checking out the bets. I think I'm calling my relatives from the andromeda galaxy to visit me soon.
mircea_popescu: one day some of us were chatting and this girl said about her uncle or w/e that they're relatively related.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 550 @ 0.00471893 = 2.5954 BTC [+]
Dr-X: sort for market size would be nice
Dr-X: to see where's the money at
kakobrekla: i will add order by bets sum in teh order by field in the browse soonish
Dr-X: thx, yeah was searching for that ;)
kakobrekla: been buged about this for a couple of times now
Dr-X: yeah cool, just made a bet
Dr-X: yeah, just made more. I think I gave you 0.2 for the lulz :P
kakobrekla: submit a suggestion for a bet if you come up with something fresh
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1day: 0.004312 / 0.0046243 / 0.0047888 (134087 shares, 620.06 BTC), 30day: 0.0014 / 0.00334889 / 0.0048 (13823119 shares, 46,292.13 BTC)
Dr-X: australian open is soon, so maybe some tennis?
kakobrekla: that could work, especialy if its womens playing
Dr-X: 14th to 27th january australian open, but idk if you want too many sport bets
Dr-X: from what I see sport bets work better than those sily bets ;)
kakobrekla: perhaps tennis will get some traction too
Dr-X: yeah tennis is nice to bet on
Dr-X: only two outcomes, not like football
Dr-X: but idk how that works out with weigthed bets
kakobrekla: this weight system is getting reviewed
Dr-X: you just bet on both and trade on sport betting sites :P
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder they changed the lucky number thing for better dispersion
Bugpowder: glad they raised max bet to compensate
Bugpowder: I think you can still get some wild swings
Bugpowder: probably the variance goes down about 2-3x
Bugpowder: 414 max at < 1600 is pretty big number
Bugpowder: 414 max at < 16000 is pretty big number
Bugpowder: its the only place with a bankroll big enough for whales
mircea_popescu: <Bugpowder> its the only place with a bankroll big enough for whales << that's what i do.
Dr-X: if you look for ltc dices, the biggest one accepts 50 LTC lol.
Bugpowder: I really set the hook in my friend last night. Now he's thinking of rolling his 401k into self-directed IRA and putting it in bitcoins :)
mircea_popescu: the rationale being that 100k put into btc now will make you "just as rich" as 300k put into btc now.
Dr-X: you can burn your fingers with bitcoin, if you buying them with hard earned money
mircea_popescu: on the other hand, losing all your money is not the same as losing a third.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 712 @ 0.00471893 = 3.3599 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12700 @ 0.00063621 = 8.0799 BTC [-]
Namworld: If he puts it in SD, might not be such a bad deal. SD will probably remain a major Bitcoin betting site for a long time.
Namworld: Hmm... people are really overbidding on BBET.
Namworld: Where will be the cheap blocks D=
Namworld: and who buys 1.8 million BBET =P
Bugpowder: I think he will not roll it all in
Namworld: At that price for BBET, 10 million would cost 2775 BTC. BBET would need to get 277 500 BTC in bets to get that back in fees for dividends...
mircea_popescu: at the rate it;s going atm, it will do that in ~10 years
Bugpowder: Man, my matlab bet optimizer doesn't handle the time decay
Dr-X: and what happens if the bitcoin price in dollar rises? price of the stock goes down?
Namworld: Maybe either BitVPS or Namworld could sponsor an ad on BBET.
mircea_popescu: s,mpoe went up like 3000% while the btc went up like 300% in dollars.
mircea_popescu: Namworld not a bad idea. it's a pay as much as you want 30 days rotator deal.
Dr-X: so you're rich now, congratz :D
mircea_popescu: Dr-X they're purely btc businesses. the dollar don't enter into it.
Namworld: People seem to bet just as much BTC when it's 1$ per BTC or if it's 20$ per BTC
Dr-X: If I have 50 BTC and my goal is more money and more BTC what do I do?
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 13.68386, Best ask: 13.81000, Bid-ask spread: 0.12614, Last trade: 13.81000, 24 hour volume: 41310.15984901, 24 hour low: 13.40400, 24 hour high: 13.81000, 24 hour vwap: 13.59046
Dr-X: yeah, but my fear is that the price of the share will go down, when the price per btc goes up
Namworld: Hmm, than that makes it more USD safe, but you'd earn less if BTC prices rise.
Dr-X: how do value a company, it is worth 500k btc and 6,500,000 dollar (easier to calculate)
Bugpowder: It had $230,000 in profit last month
Namworld: Well I guess you'd value it on revenue.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 750 @ 0.00474805 = 3.561 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1350 @ 0.00476255 = 6.4294 BTC [+]
Dr-X: no growth assumed when the price per btc doubles it will be worth 250k btc and 6,500,000 dollarz?
mircea_popescu: i wonder how many irl businesses are still making profit
Bugpowder: mircea_popescu IRL corporations are actually making shitloads right now
Namworld: At least when excluding small businesses
Bugpowder: Corp balanace sheets are basically all time healthiest
Namworld: I'd be surprised if there was less than a million left...
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder not if you properly account for the currency risk
Bugpowder: except those with financial exposure
Dr-X: they do too, bank stocks are the best right now
Namworld: We're not in a catastrophic recession. Many businesses cut jobs or make less profits.
Namworld: But most shops, corp, etc you see all around still make a profit.
Bugpowder: SP500 earnings are very very high right now
mircea_popescu: no, they won't fail, they just poison the economy with worthless receipts
Dr-X: no they're not bankrupt, they have a shitload of own equity
mircea_popescu: basically this is exactly btc economy cca july : everyone's balance sheets were all time flush with cash
Bugpowder: the banks have a shitload of bad loans that are not being marked to market
Bugpowder: although much has be given to fed at par
mircea_popescu: plenty of dead walking, and it's impossible not to do business with them
mircea_popescu: i mean, i could do it in btc, cause it's small and people are idiots
mircea_popescu: irl i couldn't do it, and so i assume nobody else can either.
Bugpowder: Dude, China is still growing at 7%
mircea_popescu: they're getting riots almost on par with the us by now.
Dr-X: good fiat economy is bad for him :P
Namworld: But in Canada everything is fine.
mircea_popescu: Dr-X thing is i was of the same persuasion before discovering btc.
Dr-X: some bets on satoshi show up 3 times in recent
Namworld: Everything is always fine in Canada... nothing much happening. Just people saying "Eh?" all the time and mooses.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 4000 @ 0.00471893 = 18.8757 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: Compared to the race riots of the 60s and 70s, I think we are doing pretty damn well
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1838 @ 0.00471893 = 8.6734 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 162 @ 0.00469917 = 0.7613 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: Whole Foods opening stores in downtown Detroit yo
Bugpowder: China doing pretty well compared to 70s as well
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10020 @ 0.0006352 = 6.3647 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11600 @ 0.00063517 = 7.368 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00063412 = 6.468 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 280 @ 0.00063358 = 0.1774 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14352 @ 0.00063358 = 9.0931 BTC [-]
Namworld: Possible, my english might not be that good.
midnightmagic: Canada is not fine. The moron voting public voted in Harper based on promises of infrastructure investment which haven't materialized, and now we have a rapidly deteriorating legislature which consists of a bunch of idealogical idiots essentially ignoring the entire canadian public and dismantling some of our most cherished institutions and rights.
midnightmagic: Meanwhile, their own f*cking MPs are DM'ing people like myself and mocking us because we said they were going to be toast in the next election.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 800 @ 0.00469917 = 3.7593 BTC [-]
midnightmagic: I no longer have confidence, since making that statement, that my fellow voters are capable of a rational voting decision.
mircea_popescu: voters never are and never were capable of rational decision. that's not how voting works.
midnightmagic: It has in the past. Additionally, at least some people are voting with their ideals because Elizabeth May made it in.
mircea_popescu: for that matter, women don't pick men rationally either.
midnightmagic: now there's a true f'ing statement if i ever heard one.
mircea_popescu: voting is just a cheap method of statistically obtaining a call from the multitude.
mod6: people usually vote their wallets, and additionally always pick the precived winner before hand. voters don't like to vote for a loser, even if that candidate is more closely aligned with their political philosiphies.
midnightmagic: Here, each vote *used* to deliver some small amount of federal funding to the party voted for as a way of fostering independent third parties.
mircea_popescu: it's not rational, it's quite the opposite. but it has a historical record of conservation success.
midnightmagic: mod6: Apparently some of us do like to vote for a loser. Elizabeth May is in office. :)
midnightmagic: I saw her grand-daughters bare ass at a dinner once. she was wearing a mini-skirt and kept hugging people taller than she is.
mircea_popescu: sure. you can't eat with women you've seen the ass of ?
midnightmagic: Bare asses of unknown other people mean bare asses are sitting on the seats I sit in. It reminded me of how unhygienic being out for dinner is and I like to suspend my disbelief for a little while.
midnightmagic: Also it was classless for the grand-daughter of the leader of one of the main political parties in Canada to dress like that.
mod6: haha, wow. i probably wouldt have given it a second thought. i must be a savage.
midnightmagic: It either meant she was conscious of her dress choice, or not. If she wasn't, then it was uncomfortable watching her accidentally and apparently unconciously bare her ass seven or eight times.
mod6: people are just attention whores these das.
mircea_popescu: you actually care tghat you're sitting where some other chick sat ?!
midnightmagic: If she was, then.. why? Who's her audience? A bunch of stuffy people at a calm atmosphere restaurant where people are coming in from the cold (it was damn cold) and eating soup in their flannels?
mircea_popescu: her audience is simply the world. she's not old enough to know y'all aren't worth the trouble yet.
midnightmagic: Meanwhile, it was like none of the rest of her family noticed that they were making everyone uncomfortable.
midnightmagic: And in the sense that the leader of some political party has raised a family to be essentially unfettered, dress-wise.
mod6: Well, does anyone remember the bush daughters? LOL
mircea_popescu: im sure canada is just as classless as the rest of the world, that's what we have the internet for
midnightmagic: people used to punch out other people for being classless. manners made it around pretty good.
mircea_popescu: nobody punched anybody over class lol. at most they furrowed their brows and whined privately.
midnightmagic: no way. Not much earlier than my grandfather's era, ignoring someone who said hello to you was a punch-out-able offence.
mircea_popescu: but going around punching people is not too classy now is it.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1700 @ 0.00476255 = 8.0963 BTC [+]
midnightmagic: right. black eyes heal. Put the boxing gloves on and get your differences out in the open. Did you ever see the Mickey Mouse club episodes where they put two fighting boys in the ring together and let them duke it out?
mircea_popescu: but i know i resented at that age the implication of equality in this method
midnightmagic: And then my dad started telling me stories of grandpa.. :)
mircea_popescu: i always had my differences resolved by overwhelming forcve.
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: So! Got anything you're actively ranting about lately?
midnightmagic: Woops, "begging the question" doesn't mean "raising the question".
midnightmagic: We'll see what happens to sdice when asic are delivered.. :-)
midnightmagic: Redistribution of hashrate, in some cases to people who care what happens with the blockchain.
mircea_popescu: im not too concerned about miners deciding to ruin bitcoin.
mod6: its kinda like rg said once, if bitcoin can't handle the tx's from SD, then we should pack up and shut off the lights now.
mircea_popescu: the moment bitcoin is not transaction agnostic it might as well be dead.
mod6: but... that doesn't mean there couldn't be a better way to do it either.
midnightmagic: but sdice operates inside the txn space, which makes it easy to filter. If they operated the way everyone else normal does, and stopped doing those stupid micro-txn, then meh.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 300 @ 0.00476255 = 1.4288 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 700 @ 0.0047638 = 3.3347 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1159 @ 0.00476484 = 5.5224 BTC [+]
midnightmagic: it can. but there isn't enough incentive due to concentration of txn value. also, rg isn't really much of an authority :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1841 @ 0.00477167 = 8.7846 BTC [+]
mod6: midnightmagic: no. but he said it, and I agree :)
mircea_popescu: this is just posturing on the strength of the block reward being still large-ish
mod6: just giving credit where due, etc.
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: the value of keeping sdice txn in the blockchain is less than the value of keeping diffuse txn in the blockchain, including mixnets btw.
mircea_popescu: nobody's to evaluate the value of keeping a tx in the blockchain
mircea_popescu: but you're welcome to establish it through experience if simple theory doesn't cut it for ya.
midnightmagic: the exact standard has fees, and the code has anti-dust-spam exceptions in it. satoshi foresaw operations like sdice.
mod6: *whew* almost forgot that mtdew in the freezer
mircea_popescu: i guess at some point the split between the people who matter and the people who think they know better is inevitable
mircea_popescu: contrary to what the people who think they know better think, their fall into oblivion will be immediate.
midnightmagic: let other people who don't care, mine sdice txn, and take the hit to block propagation. the incentive is against including sdice txn in the blockchain.
mircea_popescu: the incentive really is against including miners who don't ihnclude transactions into bitcoin.
midnightmagic: that's not true. even miners who do *no* txn in their blocks are still burying txn in work.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 550 @ 0.00477167 = 2.6244 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: you'll at some point have to come to terms with the cold reality that about half of bitcoin's utility atm is s.dice
mircea_popescu: i know you like bitcoin in principle. but in practical terms, it's useless other than because its that thing where sdice happens.
mircea_popescu: "not including" the filling in the donut is pracrtically speaking not including yourself among the donut makers.
midnightmagic: lol hilarious analogy. But! Are they Tim Horton's doughnuts, or Krispy Kremes?
mircea_popescu: he's amusing to me because looky here : the consensus was that mining corps are the big deal.
mircea_popescu: out of nowhere comes this dood, and suddenly his corp is larger than all the asic producers together
mircea_popescu: completely blindsides market, it's hysterical to watch reactions etc.
mircea_popescu: well yes it was. glbse practically consisted of pirate passthroughs and mining farms.
midnightmagic: good lord no. ASIC producers are internally parasitic. The value derives from a parasitic self-consumption of economic worth.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3700 @ 0.00477167 = 17.6552 BTC [+]
midnightmagic: The value of mining is a finite value and can't exceed some fraction of the value of the bitcoin economy..
midnightmagic: It's cannibalizing some of its own worth in order to secure itself.
midnightmagic: "securing itself" includes disincentivizing b-s like the DDoS that sdice is. :-)
mircea_popescu: the bs going on currently is cannibalizing some of btc's perception for private gain
mircea_popescu: sorta like someone selling haagen dasz icecream made in nj as "classy" yurpean stuff.
midnightmagic: the funding for the research can't happen if selling bitcoin rewards doesn't support it though..
midnightmagic: yeah i don't understand that. there's a simple metric to finding the best ice cream in a store..
mircea_popescu: sure it can. research that's not justified economically happens all the time
mod6: lol: (23:44) < midnightmagic> weigh it and calculate density. <<< don't you just go by flavor?
midnightmagic: mod6: And no, I refuse to buy whipped-air ice cream. It's inferior quality.
midnightmagic: mod6: Notice they sell ice cream by volume. Which really cheeses me off. But the denser it is, the more cream:air ratio it has.
mod6: thats like an ICEE right?
midnightmagic: I make ice cream; I used to sell it by the tonne. 1 metric tonne every two weeks or so.
mod6: you make 1 metric ton of icecream per week?
mod6: hahah, do you run a ice cream parlor?
midnightmagic: No, I sold 1 metric tonne of ice cream every two weeks, scooped out by myself. I was very young.
midnightmagic: I make my own ice cream because so much of it sucks in the stores and nobody knows any different.
pigeons: i used to be a fax server when i was young
mod6: home made icecream is better if i recall, i haven't had it in about 25 years.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3850 @ 0.00469917 = 18.0918 BTC [-]
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: In the big 20L containers, if there's air in there it melts more rapidly and nobody will buy it.
midnightmagic: i miss access to those things. they're really great for berry picking.
mod6: this guy picks berries, makes 2 ton vats of ice cream and still finds time to hang in -assets!
mod6: well, actually, this year I did for the first time in many years. I was just thinking about that... kinda nice and quiet -- except for the damn bees.
mod6: I had a female prodding me to leave the house/computer and do some berry picking. worked out well, got some nice ones.
mod6: i did my best to look like i was enjoying myself actually.
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: You should come out and pick berries with me. It's like meditating, and at the end we make pie.
mircea_popescu: maybe after the collapse of the us i visit that corner of the world again
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2038 @ 0.00469917 = 9.5769 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 962 @ 0.00468133 = 4.5034 BTC [-]
mod6: Yeah. I'm hoping that comes soon, because shit is way too far out of wack over here.
mod6: It's hard to enjoy anything these days. Songs on the radio, tv shows, holidays... all seem to be overshaowed by the darkining war clouds.
mod6: na. i hate the east coast.
mod6: no offense east coast! lo
mod6: but im from Minnesota, and I spent a large amount of time in Arizona.
midnightmagic: mod6: Aw. I was going to ask if you've seen any wintergreens the last few years. I remember them being exceedingly rare.
mod6: Hmm, not sure what those are.
mod6: I've been to the east coast a number of times. The only thing I learned while there is everyone is a larger asshole than back home, and no one stops for red lights.
mod6: Oh, yeah. Those are good. :)
midnightmagic: mod6: That's a little like what the berries taste like.
mod6: ohh right on. here I just picked some rasberries. the apples wernt ready sadly.
midnightmagic: very very rare, they grow at the base of certain trees.
mod6: Wow, I had no idea.
mod6: Check this out: During the American Revolution, wintergreen leaves were used as a substitute for tea, which was scarce.
midnightmagic: delicious. if you ever get a chance, try one or two of the berries. transcendent flavour experience. :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 600 @ 0.00475368 = 2.8522 BTC [+]
mod6: this thing says its posion lol
mod6: Parts of plant are poisonous if ingested
mod6: One thing that I like about Canada: Formitable Hockey Players.
mod6: Every now and then I would have to travel to winnepeg to play the teams up there. Those guys were huge and almost as mean as me.
mod6: Always seems like the american teams we played were some real candyasses.
jurov: hi, brendio surfaced
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 900 @ 0.00464179 = 4.1776 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 196 @ 0.00464179 = 0.9098 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 250 @ 0.00467175 = 1.1679 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2000 @ 0.00467883 = 9.3577 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 811 @ 0.00468254 = 3.7975 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 13.73336, Best ask: 13.76960, Bid-ask spread: 0.03624, Last trade: 13.75950, 24 hour volume: 46393.77110328, 24 hour low: 13.40403, 24 hour high: 13.83000, 24 hour vwap: 13.62512
Anduck: hey mircea_popescu why dont bitbet just show how much the winning ratio for each bet is
Anduck: how the duck i decipher this?
Anduck: well maybe it should show that on the page, too..
Anduck: i've got no idea what i win if i bet 1 btc on a bet
Anduck: if it shows info like Weighted No: 534`511
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7200 @ 0.00064571 = 4.6491 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11400 @ 0.00064553 = 7.359 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: Nov 28 share price 0.88, Today 0.92
Bugpowder: My 'fund' share price Nov. 28 = 0.782
mircea_popescu: i should start a fund doing 3% off the top and 10% profit.
Bugpowder: My 'fund' share price today = 1.094
pigeons: who is giving him money? I doubt anyone
mircea_popescu: im not paying someone with no track record 3%, 2% or any %.
pigeons: He should start a S.DICE passthrough
Bugpowder: but 3/10 is not obscene, if he was running a decent fund
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 700 @ 0.00465113 = 3.2558 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: Someone should start a fund with the tagline "The SAC of Bitcoin"
pigeons: I bet people would feel happy to pay the 3% deposit fee and think they were getting away with not paying 30 BTC mpex registration
Anduck: pigeons: is that a joke?
Bugpowder: pigeons, actually that is why I take 2
topace: or you could just do it without a setup/deposit fee, like havelock investments :p
Anduck: how many here have actually paid the 30btc MPEX reg fee?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1941 @ 0.00453282 = 8.7982 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: If you have >500 BTC to invest, its not a big deal
Bugpowder: probably the average MPEX account has >500
Anduck: i am very doubtful on that _hundreds_ would've paid 30 btc mpex reg fee
Dr-X: I would charge people for this chat, so that the poor people stay out
mircea_popescu: Dr-X prolly public access to the trade chan is a thing of limited timespan
jurov: <mircea_popescu> ";;later tell namjies" - but he rebranded himself, will he get it still?
Anduck: sorry but where do i see the actual numbers of registred accounts, mircea_popescu?
mircea_popescu: its reported in the mpex statement as revenue from new accounts.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 549 @ 0.00455133 = 2.4987 BTC [+]
pigeons: again, has havelock ever shown a non-doctored statement yet?
Anduck: nov 12 seems to have had 240 from new accs, making it 8 new accounts, right?
pigeons: give your key id, both get 5 btc
mircea_popescu: new user names referrer by keyid, the both get 5 btc. tis in the faq.
pigeons: someone else mentioned it yesterday
mircea_popescu: it's starting to possibly dawn on people (one year later) that making 5 btc per signup is not at all a bad deal
topace: pigeons: what do you mean? havelock non doctored statement??
pigeons: topace: i mean that havelock cut out the gpg signature
topace: i'll give you one right now
pigeons: so we can't verify its authenticity
topace: pigeons: please verify
pigeons: gpg: Signature made Tue 08 Jan 2013 10:24:48 AM EST using DSA key ID F1B69921
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00063566 = 6.4837 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1702 @ 0.00064571 = 1.099 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8076 @ 0.00064708 = 5.2258 BTC [+]
topace: lol and now you know my s.bbet bid :p
topace: public offering that started this morning is half sold out too
topace: will bring us to 250,000 shares
pigeons: nice to hear from you topace i didnt know havelock was here
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20200 @ 0.00064886 = 13.107 BTC [+]
jurov: mircea_popescu, care to look on withdrawals?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15400 @ 0.00065195 = 10.04 BTC [+]
topace: oops sorry pigeons saw nothing after "pretty good response"
topace: yea, im surprised at the response
topace: but ill keep buying shares and issuing units on havelock if the demand is there
kakobrekla: 16:27.24 ( pigeons ) pretty good response
kakobrekla: 16:29.32 ( pigeons ) nice to hear from you topace i didnt know havelock was here
kakobrekla: 16:31.51 .•• topace ( ~kvirc@unaffiliated/topace ) has quit IRC ( Ping timeout: 246 seconds )
kakobrekla: 16:32.04 ( kakobrekla ) he quit on you.
kakobrekla: 16:32.49 ( @assbot ) [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20200 @ 0.00064886 = 13.107 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: 16:32.53 ( pigeons ) i have that effect
topace: aparently my office connection sucks today
topace: kakobrekla: mircea_popescu said there might be a possibility to interface with assbot for traders on havelock?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1650 @ 0.00467745 = 7.7178 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 700 @ 0.00458277 = 3.2079 BTC [-]
jurov: <pigeons> I bet people would feel happy to pay the 3% deposit fee and think they were getting away with not paying 30 BTC mpex registration
jurov: ^ what makes you so sure?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00065195 = 2.999 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7850 @ 0.00065196 = 5.1179 BTC [+]
jurov: oh, disregard that. even 1BTC/year for coinbr is too much to these. with burnside placed himself on prominent place.
jurov: and you next to him, ofc
jurov: what's unclear? there just seems to be a group of people unable to stomach mpex
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 36 @ 0.00468254 = 0.1686 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 378 @ 0.00473719 = 1.7907 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 86 @ 0.00474063 = 0.4077 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 949 @ 0.00470184 = 4.462 BTC [-]
topace: EskimoBob: you're more than welcome to use havelock investments :p
jurov: topace, don't dare to ask any fees, then :)
topace: for s.dice passthru its just a % of the dividends (5%)
topace: but no deposit/withdraw fees, no trade fees, no setup fees
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4700 @ 0.00064886 = 3.0496 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2000 @ 0.00474063 = 9.4813 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5849 @ 0.00065196 = 3.8133 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4401 @ 0.00065419 = 2.8791 BTC [+]
gigavps: never heard mpex called that before
gigavps: EskimoBob you are quite creative
Korbman: Ha, indeed..gave me some interesting visuals
Diablo-D3: mpex has two worthwhile stocks, mpex being one of them
gigavps: i love that EskimoBob follows up "sucking up as hard as you can" with a smiley face
gigavps: gives me warm fuzzies to know that EskimoBob's creativeness is not reserved just for the gigamining thread
jurov: they aren't gypsies, you missed in class when mircea explained teh pic
jurov: iirc, they were smuggling his luggage from or to guatemala
gigavps: EskimoBob what do you mean "handle the forums"
jurov: oh, no more withdrawals?
jurov: EskimoBob - you see what happens when you complain about withdrawal fee.
jurov: they'll get discontinued
gigavps: well, if i was only selling bull shit, i'm sure it would be a lot harder
gigavps: but there isn't much to telling the truth
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 167 @ 0.00474063 = 0.7917 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00474806 = 4.7481 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00475272 = 4.7527 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 833 @ 0.00475481 = 3.9608 BTC [+]
gigavps: Teramining contract is already created
Diablo-D3: speaking of legal, I wish we had a bitlawyer
Diablo-D3: EskimoBob: its not complicated or expensive in the US
Diablo-D3: although it depends which state you're incorporating in
Korbman: establishing a legal entity in the States isn't hard at all
Diablo-D3: I think we had this discussion before
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1950 @ 0.00472926 = 9.2221 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2475 @ 0.00475481 = 11.7682 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 11400 @ 0.00475485 = 54.2053 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2550 @ 0.00477418 = 12.1742 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 50000 @ 0.0047797 = 238.985 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2500 @ 0.00478065 = 11.9516 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: EskimoBob: it depends on the state
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 77075 @ 0.00478699 = 368.9573 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: EskimoBob: like, some states do not require the state to have a list of all investors, or even the company to have to make it public on request
Diablo-D3: I think its nevada that has that, but I could be wrong
Diablo-D3: Ukto: talk to nanotube to get your shit on assbot
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 181 @ 0.00472926 = 0.856 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: EskimoBob: it can be in some cases, yes
Korbman: contracts are important though
Korbman: still is...that's called a verbal contract
Diablo-D3: yes, but verbal contracts are hard to enforce
Korbman: unless you have a witness haha, but yeah for the most part they're a pain
Diablo-D3: there are very very very very few people I trust
Diablo-D3: and the very few I trust usually end up stabbing me in the back anyhow
Diablo-D3: so yes, the days of gentlemen are over.
Korbman: Ha, seems that way sometimes
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 5000 @ 0.00468872 = 23.4436 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3600 @ 0.00468872 = 16.8794 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: EskimoBob: ICBIT was told how to set up assbot ticker but it never went anywhere
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2415 @ 0.00472477 = 11.4103 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 5580 @ 0.00478699 = 26.7114 BTC [+]
Dr-X: no profits this month so far
thestringpuller: someone who wants to get exit the position and take his profits elsewhere will sell soon
Dr-X: the ipo was for 0.0037?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2800 @ 0.00478699 = 13.4036 BTC [+]
topace: wow we're up to that 125k ask wlal
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17502 @ 0.00064886 = 11.3563 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1450 @ 0.00478108 = 6.9326 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1670 @ 0.00478698 = 7.9943 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 530 @ 0.00478699 = 2.5371 BTC [+]
jcpham: but bank acount details in curl commands must be legit
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1385 @ 0.00478107 = 6.6218 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: y combinator is a startup incubator
thestringpuller: Are you on drugs Diablo-D3 ? "At Balanced Payments YC W2011"
Diablo-D3: you're implying I clicked the link
Diablo-D3: I still dont get why you're bringing YC up here
Diablo-D3: they were in the YC before the previous one
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5709 @ 0.00065419 = 3.7348 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 691 @ 0.00065576 = 0.4531 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1day: 0.004312 / 0.00469748 / 0.0047888 (397246 shares, 1,866.06 BTC), 30day: 0.0014 / 0.00337775 / 0.0048 (13703504 shares, 46,287.08 BTC)
jcpham: HN is has funny things
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller if you're looking at the net cashflow indicator for mpex it's unlikely a sellout is in the works
mircea_popescu: With four wrist and ankle restraints attached to nylon straps, this set is sure to produce a happy ending.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 4200 @ 0.00478107 = 20.0805 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu, the expert in bondage, has spoken
mircea_popescu: i prolly did tie more women up than teh average internet dood slept with
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 440 @ 0.00478698 = 2.1063 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 11219 @ 0.00478699 = 53.7052 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3621 @ 0.00478699 = 17.3337 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1day: 0.00436997 / 0.00471658 / 0.0047888 (387085 shares, 1,825.72 BTC), 30day: 0.0014 / 0.00337974 / 0.0048 (13712984 shares, 46,346.45 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3000 @ 0.00478699 = 14.361 BTC [+]
jcpham: i love reading about tide detergent theft
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3737 @ 0.00478699 = 17.889 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: "the voice dictation program on my ipad hears bitbet, writes "big butt""
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 580 @ 0.00478699 = 2.7765 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1300 @ 0.00478699 = 6.2231 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00064921 = 6.4921 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1850 @ 0.00478107 = 8.845 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3800 @ 0.00478699 = 18.1906 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2285 @ 0.00478107 = 10.9247 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 800 @ 0.00469696 = 3.7576 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 794 @ 0.00469615 = 3.7287 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3650 @ 0.00478699 = 17.4725 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1275 @ 0.00478699 = 6.1034 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 13.81370, Best ask: 13.84499, Bid-ask spread: 0.03129, Last trade: 13.80998, 24 hour volume: 46657.68368336, 24 hour low: 13.45315, 24 hour high: 13.84500, 24 hour vwap: 13.66023
gribble: smickles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 37 seconds ago: <smickles> rally time, eh?
smickles: heh, thestringpuller look 5 lines up
smickles: or 4, depending on how you count it
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 13.81371, Best ask: 13.84000, Bid-ask spread: 0.02629, Last trade: 13.81371, 24 hour volume: 46883.13203225, 24 hour low: 13.46000, 24 hour high: 13.85000, 24 hour vwap: 13.66531
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16000 @ 0.00064939 = 10.3902 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6559 @ 0.00064886 = 4.2559 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 13.82370, Best ask: 13.84899, Bid-ask spread: 0.02529, Last trade: 13.82370, 24 hour volume: 46826.34867111, 24 hour low: 13.46000, 24 hour high: 13.87000, 24 hour vwap: 13.66692
Bugpowder: 6 month high about to go down (13.88)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7043 @ 0.00064467 = 4.5404 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1224 @ 0.00469615 = 5.7481 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 469 @ 0.00478699 = 2.2451 BTC [+]
jurov: Bugpowder, or not. it's not so dramatic rise
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 990 @ 0.00478699 = 4.7391 BTC [+]
jurov: like, he's looking to gradually sell btct.. to whom? the community?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 4050 @ 0.00478699 = 19.3873 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13250 @ 0.00064237 = 8.5114 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3902 @ 0.00469616 = 18.3244 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P190T] 1000 @ 0.5417181 = 541.7181 BTC [+]
topace: kakobrekla: you there? check pm
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P200T] 1000 @ 0.62300558 = 623.0056 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2108 @ 0.00478699 = 10.091 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: jurov seems just "mpex rehash, except we can't call it that."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 750 @ 0.00478699 = 3.5902 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: I've been trying to buy and sell them
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P200T] 1000 @ 0.62177589 = 621.7759 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P190T] 1000 @ 0.54057549 = 540.5755 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.00064237 = 4.4966 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14300 @ 0.0006365 = 9.102 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P200T] 1000 @ 0.62173733 = 621.7373 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P190T] 1000 @ 0.54053461 = 540.5346 BTC [-]
dub: isn't BTCGOLD that asset name squatter guy?
dub: what does the CTG in BCB's tagline mean?
topace: glad i only have a few orders with them
dub: this is obviously not a german
mircea_popescu: so basically, bfl is in inaba mode, basic is wiped, asicminer claims to have chips
dub: that is straight chinglish
dub: also wah happen to kluge's scammer tag
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1050 @ 0.0006365 = 0.6683 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00063645 = 8.5921 BTC [-]
Anduck: whats the roblum with asicminer
jurov: worst possible way of announcing it
Anduck: do they have some kind of delay incomin?
mircea_popescu: Anduck not afaik. they however have a different model, whereby they don't deliver items
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3949 @ 0.00478699 = 18.9038 BTC [+]
Anduck: mircea_popescu: but they need to start mining!!
Namworld: I haven't seen Goat in forever.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 546 @ 0.00478699 = 2.6137 BTC [+]
dub: EskimoBob: substanciate that comment or entrench your reputation as a moron
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.49 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.49 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.49 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.49 BTC
Anduck: why isnt it S.DICE.....
mircea_popescu: Namworld im not implying anything. he just dissapeared
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 1 BTC
topace: that was the test one, lets see if a "live" one works
mircea_popescu: so who'd have thunk it, havelock beat everyone to it. Ukto you see that ?
topace: that took all of, umm... 7 minutes to implement
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 10500 @ 0.00478699 = 50.2634 BTC [+]
topace: kakobrekla: can you add the "= x BTC" calculation to the havelock one? same as for MPEX? or do you need me to post that through?
topace: (just for consistency)
kakobrekla: topace it will happen automagically if amount is > 1
kakobrekla: also the [+] and [-] will start to work
mircea_popescu: wait. you can't tell if someone on btctalk is retarded, that's what you're saying to me ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 4098 @ 0.00478699 = 19.6171 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: i think topace will expand the api first
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1500 @ 0.00478699 = 7.1805 BTC [+]
topace: i honestly dont fully undertsand the financials behind shorting, options, etc.
topace: ipo units arent in float until they are sold
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 863 @ 0.00477086 = 4.1173 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 337 @ 0.00470028 = 1.584 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: Units of the fund ARE convertible to shares on MPEX at 1 unit = 100 shares PUSHED to your MPEX account for a fixed fee of 10 BTC per transfer (fee subject to change). Contact us by email to initiate a transfer.
mircea_popescu: lolz. so basically, the only way it makes sense to get a push is if you own more shares on havelock than it'd make sense to own.
topace: if someone builds up slowly a lot on havelock and realizes they dont want to pay us the 5% of their dividend anymore, they can get us to move the shares to mpex
topace: if they're paying 30BTC to open a mpex account, they can pay 10btc for us to move their shares over
topace: obviously, its to discourage people from constantly moving shares, as that would be annoying as hell :)
topace: but its there as an option
topace: now to figure out why my ticker api is giving me nulls
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15856 @ 0.00064374 = 10.2071 BTC [+]
Namworld: Ok, imagine this: ASIC do ship
Anduck: gpu's will drop out of network
Anduck: (the ones who pay for electricity)
Namworld: Hmm. Cheap year for the used GPUs market.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1200 @ 0.00470028 = 5.6403 BTC [-]
topace: i wonder if the mvoe away from gpu's will hurt AMD/ATI's bottom line :p
Namworld: Well I think the chips were long sold when miners bought the cards from cards makers.
Namworld: and bought them because they were cheap.
Anduck: 5830's or 5850's were the best
Namworld: Might still have made more people buy the AMD/ATI newest card because of scarcity of older cards.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20994 @ 0.00064374 = 13.5147 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9198 @ 0.00064467 = 5.9297 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18254 @ 0.00065576 = 11.9702 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15117 @ 0.00065613 = 9.9187 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3762 @ 0.00065643 = 2.4695 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23300 @ 0.0006569 = 15.3058 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27700 @ 0.00065738 = 18.2094 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20100 @ 0.00065987 = 13.2634 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00065998 = 2.6399 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11000 @ 0.00065999 = 7.2599 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3846575 @ 0.00066 = 2538.7395 BTC [+]
Anduck: over 2500+ btc on S.MPOE
Namworld: Well such large trades have happened for S.DICE/S.MPOE before.
Namworld: I think that was one of your blocks mircea?
Namworld: Not bad? Still more than I make in a year.
Anduck: mircea_popescu: isn't it, then?
Namworld: Although mircea is not alone on MPEx.
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1day: 0.00063085 / 0.00065692 / 0.00066 (4741455 shares, 3,114.78 BTC), 30day: 0.0005119 / 0.00061439 / 0.00066 (56821188 shares, 34,910.39 BTC)
mircea_popescu: but no, s.dice has the record, i think it had 13k in one day or something like that
dub: more than you make in a year?
dub: thats like minimum wage
topace: on the ticker, whast the middle number? the average? day: 0.00063085 / 0.00065692 / 0.00066
topace: (trying to make my havelock ticker api provide the same stats)
mircea_popescu: topace isn't fascinating what stuff was going on in the folds of the interwebs.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3100 @ 0.00478699 = 14.8397 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1763 @ 0.00470028 = 8.2866 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 306 @ 0.00469615 = 1.437 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2450 @ 0.00468918 = 11.4885 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1300 @ 0.0046843 = 6.0896 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1269 @ 0.00467785 = 5.9362 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1900 @ 0.00467139 = 8.8756 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 5556 @ 0.00466476 = 25.9174 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3300 @ 0.00465281 = 15.3543 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1800 @ 0.00465075 = 8.3714 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 5100 @ 0.00462952 = 23.6106 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 300 @ 0.0045941 = 1.3782 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3089 @ 0.00458277 = 14.1562 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1876 @ 0.00453281 = 8.5036 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3127 @ 0.00453272 = 14.1738 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2550 @ 0.00452446 = 11.5374 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.00451308 = 2.2565 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1162 @ 0.0045121 = 5.2431 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00450869 = 4.5087 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3550 @ 0.00450124 = 15.9794 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 33102 @ 0.00449 = 148.628 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: LOVE when your bid is the last bid hit in a dump
Namworld: dub, 2538.7395 BTC is more than I make in a year.
Bugpowder: although coins will probably go up faster
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1day: 0.00449 / 0.00470376 / 0.0047888 (516619 shares, 2,430.06 BTC), 30day: 0.0014 / 0.00339243 / 0.0048 (13849441 shares, 46,983.26 BTC)
mircea_popescu: Wow, I just placed an order on bitmit last night and I now have "no permission" to view the order, after paying. Were my funds taken by the new owner or something?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2650 @ 0.00449 = 11.8985 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.48 = 0.96 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1day: 0.00063085 / 0.00065692 / 0.00066 (4741455 shares, 3,114.78 BTC), 30day: 0.0005119 / 0.00061448 / 0.00066 (56765738 shares, 34,881.43 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1450 @ 0.00466507 = 6.7644 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 360 @ 0.00467005 = 1.6812 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1800 @ 0.00478699 = 8.6166 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 336 @ 0.0047582 = 1.5988 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.48 = 4.8 BTC [-]