mircea_popescu: in the unwarranted hope i'll settle. which i won't, so that's moot.
nyRednek: mircea_popescu, well, what i just saw described is securities fraud...one wouldn't need to find a serpentine lawyer to deal with such
mircea_popescu: nyRednek i don't think you're at all qualified to discuss the topic.
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder i imagine he can't now, seeing how he wasn't there at the time and prolly doesn't have a copy.
Bugpowder: I probably lost more on F.GIGA.ETF then everyone else put together
Luke-Jr: Bugpowder: just because it's in a contract doesn't make it legal
mircea_popescu: it's funny, cause actually mpoe/mpex largest loss was the ~4k btc in august
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 577 @ 0.00525471 = 3.032 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 250 @ 0.0052977 = 1.3244 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: nyRednek, just my personal BTC performance chart
Bugpowder: mostly due to stock price appreciation
nyRednek: Buglouse, again, looks like a ponzi started paying
Bugpowder: not ponzi, just supply and demand imbalance
Bugpowder: which we are seeing RIGHT NOW with S.DICE
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder no, seriously, it looks totally like a ponzi
nyRednek: mircea_popescu, that's what it looked like to me
mircea_popescu: i think the problem with btc finance is that people have a crazy time curve.
Luke-Jr: guess it'll take Erik's arrest to crash S.DICE :/
mircea_popescu: then that sold out, little by little, now they pay 50 ?! 60 ?
mircea_popescu: nyRednek it looks the same to me too. it's what it looks like.
mircea_popescu: Luke-Jr pestering erik atm is the single most damaging thing that can happen to bitcoin.
Luke-Jr: Bugpowder: it's more of an inevitable certainty than a risk, really
Bugpowder: passthru's are removing stock from the market
Luke-Jr: mircea_popescu: no, Erik is damaging to bitcoin
mircea_popescu: Luke-Jr i don't mean the imaginary bitcoin you jack off to.
Bugpowder: Luke-Jr I wouldn't say inevitable. but definitely possible
Luke-Jr: Bugpowder: he's in New York. running an online gambling site. openly. as he writes anti-government rants.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 300 @ 0.00569016 = 1.707 BTC [+]
Luke-Jr: Bugpowder: how is that NOT inevitable?
nyRednek: Luke-Jr, oh, he's going to prison
nyRednek: Luke-Jr, not a question of if, but when
smickles: really? satoshidice isn't a 'merican company?
Luke-Jr: mircea_popescu: I'm pretty sure you're the minority anarchist nutcase.
smickles: why would the operator go to prison?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00569016 = 5.6902 BTC [+]
nyRednek: smickles, promoting gambling is a federal offense
mircea_popescu: Luke-Jr that certainty is easy to reach if you stick to people who agree with you.
Luke-Jr: Bugpowder: which is why Linden Labs had to remove all random from Second Life
nyRednek: smickles, doesn't matter where the company is based
smickles: Luke-Jr: but satoshidice is registered in ireland or something like that
Luke-Jr: smickles: I doubt anyone cares.
nyRednek: smickles, doesn't matter if the online gambling is legal in jurisdiction that it is based in
Bugpowder: I love how the price keeps going up during this discussion
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.00569016 = 2.8451 BTC [+]
nyRednek: smickles, if an american promotes online gambling in any way, it is a federal offense
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00454703 / 0.00477482 / 0.00569016 (1080790 shares, 5,160.58 BTC), 7D: 0.00449034 / 0.0047035 / 0.00569016 (2770063 shares, 13,029.00 BTC), 30D: 0.0014 / 0.0037207 / 0.00569016 (11858048 shares, 44,120.28 BTC)
mircea_popescu: nyRednek do you really think anyone cares what the us thinks about anything ?
nyRednek: mircea_popescu, well, american residents should
smickles: nyRednek: can you point me to that law pleas :)
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder he's confused. there's the using banking for gambling federal thing.
Bugpowder: The NY dude that got arrested recently was state
Luke-Jr: nyRednek: so like, if I tell people about other not-DDoSing-Bitcoin gambling sites to use instead of SD, I'm in trouble? :o
mircea_popescu: Luke-Jr not rly. but you won't go anywhere. the model works like this because it's sound like this.
mircea_popescu: you coder people, instead of arguing with your implicit boss, should just stfu and go to work
nyRednek: a guy was arrested recently who just sold software to gambling sites
mircea_popescu: nyRednek that was the most embarrasing botched conspiracy to pervert the course of justice ever
mircea_popescu: it wouldn't surprise me if the das involved end up in jail.
nyRednek: mircea_popescu, it doesn't work that way here
smickles: no link or code # for the law?
Bugpowder: inden_Lab_Official:Policy_Regarding_Wagering_in_Second_Life
nyRednek: mircea_popescu, i've been on the receiving end of ill-executed criminal justice efforts
Luke-Jr: Bugpowder: FBI basically forced that FWIW
mircea_popescu: eyah, well, that may not give you the best perspective i guess.
smickles: also, arrested/shut down != illegal
mircea_popescu: not particularly hard a thing to do, but certainly exhilirating in any case.
nyRednek: mircea_popescu, any attorney who acts "in good faith" is covered under sovereign immunity
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13900 @ 0.00065568 = 9.114 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.00065423 = 3.402 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 83 @ 0.00569017 = 0.4723 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 200 @ 0.00569016 = 1.138 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.00539589 = 2.6979 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 217 @ 0.00539588 = 1.1709 BTC [-]
nyRednek: "in good faith" is hard to disprove
mircea_popescu: threatening a honest citizen with unwarranted prosecution if he refuses to break the law will be a tough sell as good faith.
nyRednek: mircea_popescu, and is generally established by affidavit
mircea_popescu: anyway. that arrest is possibly the worst setback for gambling prosecution in the past year or two.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1650 @ 0.00546657 = 9.0198 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: I cornered the market this morning
nyRednek: yeah, dumping s.dice through my proxy, as well...give it an hour and it'll be a little lower
smickles: nyRednek: did you mean 31 USC section 5361ish?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.005807 = 2.9035 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3100 @ 0.0058077 = 18.0039 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 6400 @ 0.00598999 = 38.3359 BTC [+]
smickles: nyRednek: i'm looking thru it again, but that doesn't make it illegal to promote gambling
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10750 @ 0.00065423 = 7.033 BTC [-]
smickles: nyRednek: it makes it illeagal to accept money for online gambling, it seems
Luke-Jr: mircea_popescu: j/w, but why do you care about what contracts say at all?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4950 @ 0.00064989 = 3.217 BTC [-]
smickles: and is the only federal online gambling law i've yet read
nyRednek: smickles, current prosecution is going after software vendors who code software used by online gambling sites
smickles: nyRednek: not under that law, i'm sure
Luke-Jr: I'm not curious enough to read that long thing
Luke-Jr: which seems to be focussed on more than just the question
smickles: can you help me find the law that those people are breaking?
nyRednek: smickles, i'll look, it might actually be in the new york code
mircea_popescu: smickles his generalisation is unwarranted. one particular da's dirty got blown in the open is all.
nyRednek: cause it's being prosecuted here in NY
smickles: nyRednek: wait, NY is shutting down an AZ company?
smickles: why don't they just keep doing business
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00454703 / 0.00478731 / 0.00598999 (1087457 shares, 5,206.00 BTC), 7D: 0.00449034 / 0.00470862 / 0.00598999 (2782713 shares, 13,102.74 BTC), 30D: 0.0014 / 0.00372295 / 0.00598999 (11870698 shares, 44,194.02 BTC)
mircea_popescu: smickles i presume cause nobody wants to do business with them anymore because nobody's sure if they have or haven't backdoored
dub: since when has law been a basis for the justice system anyway?
smickles: mircea_popescu: the article i just skimmed said that the ny judge 'shut them down'
dub: next you'll tell me there are constitutional rights or something euqlly crazy
mircea_popescu: dub yes, you have the right to free rectal examinations with any airline ticked bought.
mircea_popescu: has anyone noticed the big move today, ie germany taking its gold back from ny ?
nyRednek: smickles, i was assuming it was a federal law, as well, due to the interstate nature of the order
dub: gold, pff, call me when they take the palladium
nyRednek: well, gold is worth more than platinum atm, so...yeah
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11510 @ 0.00066014 = 7.5982 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11474 @ 0.00066181 = 7.5936 BTC [+]
dub: palladium is the new hotness with the hookers and blow set
mircea_popescu: "o, sorry, i has no marketable skills other than selling you ppl's bitcoinz. pls to take me back"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11934 @ 0.00066181 = 7.898 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1533 @ 0.00066182 = 1.0146 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: in six months muppets a la eskimoblob will be all pleased to interact and exchange opinions and pats on the back
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 933 @ 0.00066525 = 0.6207 BTC [+]
dub: PH has been posting around under ppt-pr
smickles: nyRednek: so it's ny pen. law 225.10
mircea_popescu: That brings me to the final point. I initially intended to teach the community a lesson about trust, I did not expect anyone to really take the bets and thus I did not expect to keep any profits. As the bets grew though, I was tempted with greed and I fell into a trap.
nyRednek: smickles, right...looks like that's the search warrant
mircea_popescu: fucking ridiculous narrative. from 1910 onwards, the same soup of the puritan-contrite criminal
Bugpowder_: he should probably be arrested under ny pen. law 225.10
JWU_42: after seeing the delisting announcement
gribble: Successfully removed your rating for rg.
smickles: mircea_popescu: did rg actually release his keys?
mircea_popescu: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:f3a98fc18f7f44dfc4e108c87e1cfd5aa354d8f1497ec4c17d11c7e2
gribble: You are now authenticated for user mircea_popescu with key 8A736F0E2FB7B452
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 3 @ 0.43 = 1.29 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ;;rate rg -1 from what I understand person no longer has sole control of private key.
☟︎ gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user rg has changed from 3 to -1.
smickles: mircea_popescu: he'd have to have, for arji and them to pay divs, right?
smickles: ;;rate rg -10 gave away his private keys
gribble: Error: For identification purposes, you must be identified via GPG to use the rating system.
mircea_popescu: smickles mind that the system dioes not actually verify ownership
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BVPS] 9761 @ 0.00130005 = 12.6898 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BVPS] 739 @ 0.0002 = 0.1478 BTC [-]
Bugpowder_: was waiting to see if the .0002 would get hit
Bugpowder_: just like to see the last gasp of a dying creature
assbot: [MPEX:S.BVPS] 1D: 0.0002 / 0.00122262 / 0.00130005 (10500 shares, 12.84 BTC), 7D: 0.0002 / 0.00131668 / 0.00635541 (10696 shares, 14.08 BTC), 30D: 0.0002 / 0.00243135 / 0.00635541 (23929 shares, 58.18 BTC)
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-GOLD] 1 @ 0.0433 BTC [+]
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smickles: arij: how were ya'll able to pay s.bvps dividends?
smickles: well, at all. I mean how were you able to run the command on mpex?
smickles: it's something that just recently poped on my interest meter
mircea_popescu: ny has some funny class e felonies. "Promoting a suicide attempt". "Stalking in the second degree". "Abortion in the second degree". "Female genital mutilation". "Substitution of children". "Computer trespass". "Welfare fraud in the fourth degree".
dub: substitution of children?
mircea_popescu: Rent gouging, Unlawfully concealing a will, Unlawful possession of personal identification information in the second degree
arij: Nam was taking care of that, I've never personally used mpex
mircea_popescu: Rewarding official misconduct in the second degree. like what, voting ?
Namworld: smickles: rg gave his gpg keys
dub: theres some bylaw in our capital that hotels must provide horse tethering facilities
jcpham: that means he has no interest in WoT
gribble: (eauth <nick>) -- Initiate authentication for user <nick>. You must have registered a GPG key with the bot for this to work. You will be given a link to a page which contains a one time password encrypted with your key. Decrypt, and use the 'everify' command with it. Your passphrase will expire in 10 minutes.
smickles: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:8926d9daa6911895a4b7dfc67516b590f01432eae6b601b77780a3c8
gribble: You are now authenticated for user smickles with key EA62D7CEB2450C3F
mod6: err, sorry. what keys were given out? i've been ill so im just trying to catch up
jcpham: the private key to his gpg identity
smickles: ;;rate rg -10 gave away his private key
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user rg has changed from 2 to -10.
nyRednek: so which security is he running?
arij: He can easily verify his identity and get a new gpg key
smickles: Namworld, arij i'd like you know that I don't fault you guys for using the keys tho
arij: No need to neg rate :/
jcpham: sad news though about thgpg key
jcpham: he was in -otc the other day
mircea_popescu: i guess people just don't realise that's the absolute limit of what you can't do.
jcpham: i bought some silver from grubles
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 206 @ 0.00539588 = 1.1116 BTC [-]
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of -5 for user rg has been recorded.
mod6: That's the first neg rating i've given out. I'd like to hear from rg about all of this though.
dub: I doubt he gives a shit
smickles: the whole idea of using gpg with the wot revolved around contracts, if he gave his personal signing ability to someone else, i can't be sure that any contract I sign with that key has ever been "real"
mod6: without that, we're lost
Namworld: He gave it strictly on account he had to leave BitVPS to someone else.
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C130T] 1 @ 0.11872201 BTC [-]
jcpham: no one is blaming you guys
jcpham: rg should've known better or known the ramications
jcpham: should the WoT discover this
smickles: mircea_popescu: couldn't the account priviges have been transferred?
mod6: did he just hand it over so you could access his mpex account with the remaining shares?
mircea_popescu: smickles no. that's the entire idea of mpex. that you can't just pass things around.
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P130T] 1 @ 0.03844519 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: you make a company, it's yours. shareholders can't kick you out. you can't "sell" your interest.
mircea_popescu: company may be acquired, sure, but as a corp merger or somesuch.
mod6: ahh. he should have just used PUSH and he could have avoided a lot of issues
mircea_popescu: mod6 basically he decided he'll do something that couldn't be done contractually
mircea_popescu: which is possibly the only part i'd complain about it. not like im not fucking here all the rtime
mod6: yeah, everything that happened wasn't really allowed by the contract
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18050 @ 0.00064635 = 11.6666 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: so just how fucking hard it is to go /query mircea_popescu hey dude here's what i want to do, does it work how should i do it
mod6: right. everytime i have a question or something, you're there pretty quick to help
mod6: i don't know what the problem was there
mircea_popescu: i imagine a large part of the problem was that bvps suddenly seemed very small, in btc terms
smickles: nyRednek: in order for that software dev to be convicted, the code he wrote would have to be 'bookmaking' (in the gambling sense ) software
smickles: apparently, reciving gambled money is promoting gambling in the first degree
Bugpowder_: he made a tool that allows others to run a site
smickles: i wonder if that means that any shareholder of S.DICE is breaking this law
Bugpowder_: most people don't want to take the risk
smickles: also, did you notice that not talking to the cops can get you convicted of murder?
smickles: well, it's up to the supreme court anyway
nyRednek: smickles, one or the other, i'm not following the case as closely as i should, tbh
smickles: boils down to a cop saying "hey, your not under arrest, but is it possible that those shotgunshells at the murder scene are yours?"
smickles: you don't answer, your're a murder
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nyRednek: Bugpowder_, new york jurors don't have as much reasonable doubt as one should, tbh
smickles: the bs is they say it's not covered by the 5th b/c he wasn't under arrest YET
dub: this is why we don't live in 'murica
mircea_popescu: i guess that's why they like a lot of them "low information voters" around.
nyRednek: smickles, also, in indiana, cops don't have to knock and announce before executing a search warrant
smickles: now i'm spooked by the last time I was pulled over, and didn't say a wort to the cop
dub: lol what did you do?
smickles: nyRednek: in missouri they come in and shoot your pomeranian
nyRednek: smickles, the best vague answer, "i don't know what you're talking about, officer"
dub: smickles: yeah what did you do during the interaction
dub: you just handed over ID and pretended to be mute?
smickles: dub: politely smiled and let him talk
mircea_popescu: i wonder what sort of misdemeanor it is if you just jack off while the cop tries to talk to you
nyRednek: mircea_popescu, that's disorderly conduct
jcpham: public indecency i suppose
dub: mircea_popescu: rape no doubt
mircea_popescu: nyRednek i would have imagined not speaking english is disorderly conduct
smickles: dub: he claimed that I had a tail light out, it wasn't true, so he gave me an 'unwritten warning'
jcpham: definitely rape if semen touches the cop
nyRednek: well, in NYC, it's disorderly conduct...it's assaulting an officer if semen touches
dub: mircea_popescu: unlicensed sperm odnation
nyRednek: same as spitting on a cop...assault
jcpham: maybe the clothes is just sexual assault
jcpham: i think ejaculating on an officer might be felony territory
smickles: WTF is this zamboni game on google?!?
nyRednek: felonious assault of an officer
nyRednek: same as screaming, "i'm gonna fuck you up, piggy"
mircea_popescu: the lonious assault of an officer if you play that shit too loud
dub: smickles: I asked my canukistani friend if it signified anything, apparently not
nyRednek: mircea_popescu, threatening has always been assault
nyRednek: mircea_popescu, when you strike, it's battery
smickles: it has to be an earnest threat to be assult tho
jcpham: like if i threaten to kill you i need to own a weapon first?
jcpham: or the threat of death is enough
smickles: which is usually illegal now too (bullying)
nyRednek: jcpham, threat of death is enough for assault, terroristic threatening
nyRednek: smickles, that was a stupid law that apportioned activity that was already covered by the penal code
jcpham: but what if i have down's syndrome and i'm not actually a threat
smickles: jcpham: well, as I understand it, you can threaten to kill all you want if its a joke, but proving it's a joke can be tricky in some situations
nyRednek: redundant sections of the penal code should be excised
jcpham: i've never made a death threat that i know of
smickles: nyRednek: you suffer from the is/ought distinction
smickles: jcpham: you threatent to pay me once, i've got it in writing
nyRednek: redundant sections of law in general need to be excised, at all levels
smickles: iirc, you made good on the threat too :P
mircea_popescu: that's how i'd have it. you want to make a new law ? gotta wipe old one first, make space.
nyRednek: mircea_popescu, maybe not fifty pages, but less than a full library of volumes
jcpham: all lwas ought to fit in 640k of RAM
mircea_popescu: so that highschoolers can be required to know the whole law by heard
smickles: mircea_popescu: then law will grow at a rate = to compression tech
nyRednek: hell, definitions don't fit in 50 pages
smickles: noone yet congratulated me on my creation of another person :|
nyRednek: hell, the 1783 treaty of paris didn't fit in 50 pages
nyRednek: smickles, i've done it a few times, you have my sympathies
mircea_popescu: if ignorance of the law is no defence then the law fits in 64kb
smickles: the next real person should be coming around may
mircea_popescu: let people add to the 64kb through private contract if they want to.
smickles: and a cigar would be in order if all goes well
nyRednek: oh, contract law is an entirely new matter
nyRednek: case law being precedent set by court rulings as to the proper interpretation of law
nyRednek: many of our legal conventions are handed down by precedent
smickles: that the first interpretation should necessarily affect any following
nyRednek: unless you live under napoleonic code, which throws legal precedent out the window
smickles: mircea_popescu: that's romania, right?
nyRednek: smickles, but, in reality, the english system follows the construct of legal precedent
nyRednek: smickles, otherwise, we'd have no interpreted right to privacy
mircea_popescu: but there's still a version of precedent used, just... differently.
jcpham: smickles you got your license on my birthday
jcpham: you don't have to thank me though
smickles: jcpham: It will foever be known as jcpham day in the company by-laws
smickles: also, there's no business license yet, the company had to be formed before it could see one of those
nyRednek: sorry, it was row v wade, 1973
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smickles: nyRednek: that's privacy extending from property rights tho, isn't it?
nyRednek: smickles, the 14th amendment was referenced, so maybe not
nyRednek: the 14th amendment deals mainly with citizenship
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9075 @ 0.00066525 = 6.0371 BTC [+]
smickles: "nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law"
smickles: it specifically says property tho
smickles: mircea_popescu: the department of homland security suggests that you uninstall and not use java
mircea_popescu: why thanks very much to the dept of who the fuck asked them
smickles: nyRednek: so my view of it from that perspective is that you only have privacy in so much as the state isn't allowed to do things why render your ownership of property meaningless
mircea_popescu: are they coming up with those booklets on spouse selection already ?
jcpham: oh wait i can select another spouse
jcpham: or an additional spouse
jcpham: do i get to share than revenue stream also?
nyRednek: smickles, also, katz v united states, 1967
nyRednek: regarding unwarranted wiretapping
nyRednek: referencing 4th and 5th amendments
nyRednek: smickles, also, right to privacy preventing illegal search/seizure, and self-incrimination
nyRednek: smickles, i'm thinking it's more the liberty thing...the state is depriving you of liberty by snooping on you(privacy is a safeguard of free speech)
nyRednek: the security issues regarding java have been many, so i tend to agree with OHS on this one
mircea_popescu: nyRednek the point is the homeland security thing has no business discussing this, or pretty much any other matter.
mircea_popescu: their job is pretty much getting tsa dismantled already and then going away in the sunset.
nyRednek: mircea_popescu, OSA is a large and wide-reaching organization...this is very much their business
mircea_popescu: right, it works in practice as a sort of soviet commisariat of the people's soviets bla bla
nyRednek: tsa is just one of their subordinate agencies
mircea_popescu: but it's mandate legally is exactly that : to dismantle the tsa and go away.
nyRednek: the fbi is another of their subordinate agencies
nyRednek: its mandate is much more than dismantle tsa
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5843 @ 0.00066094 = 3.8619 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: really sad to watch (from a safe distance, blesfully) what's happening to that country.
nyRednek: here's the sad thing to watch...the US is the world's largest economy...if it falls, how well do you think the EU or the PRC will do in the ashes?
nyRednek: i mean the ashes of what used to be the US's GDP
mircea_popescu: the delusions to the contrary are actually part of the "sad".
nyRednek: the US has the world's largest GDP, and nations such as PRC depend on consumption by US
dub: does dhs know that java is patched?
dub: or is it a case of sun fucked up one too many times and are written off
nyRednek: mircea_popescu, actually, producers need consumers to buy products
mircea_popescu: and isn't dhs the dept of welfare i mean human services ?
nyRednek: mircea_popescu, it's backwards to think otherwise
iz: dub: it's not really patched
iz: so far they have released 2 different "patches" that "fix" the same vuln, but not really
nyRednek: mircea_popescu, let's put it this way, kodak failed because...?
nyRednek: mircea_popescu, they produced a lot of film and cameras...
nyRednek: mircea_popescu, that's not true
iz: also, if you consider the EU as it's own entity, it's got greater GDP than USA, right?
jcpham: kodak is a much more interesting beast
mircea_popescu: if you make a huge company "producing" "art" you will fail too
iz: nyRednek: look at the numbers for 2011
nyRednek: iz, well, as of 2010 it wasn't, let me check
mircea_popescu: and for that matter, i too can write 10000000000000000 dollah on pieces of paper and trade it back and forth with the girls
nyRednek: iz, by 2.6 quadrillion, yep, the EU has surpassed the US
nyRednek: iz, you're right...well, the SECOND largest world economy
iz: mircea_popescu: great, maybe finally we won't be too big to fail
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16951 @ 0.00066525 = 11.2767 BTC [+]
iz: and we can pull an iceland
nyRednek: guys, let me know when mircea_popescu stops talking out of its ass so i can unignore
mircea_popescu: i'd be willing to take bets that by 2015 the us economy will actually be smaller than germany's economy.
iz: mircea_popescu: yeah, cuz the germans use metric and the us doesn't :b
mircea_popescu: but i am kinda amused at the newb krugerite coming here and giving me advice about mpex and then getting offended when i don't happen to share his ignorance of economy.
mircea_popescu: this incidentally is exactly why i wouldn't buy the whole us for five bitcoins right now : pretty much made up entirely of this sort of stupid.
mircea_popescu: sure, there's exception. too much molasses around them to have a chance.
nyRednek: iz, as far as it goes, though, one of the top four players fall, the whole world suffers...
dub: literally pocket change
kakobrekla: the more the world goes to shit, the better for bitcoin
nyRednek: so the us dollar and the euro are pretty critical to gobal economic health
iz: yeah, i'd tend to agree
iz: that's why iceland was able to do what they did.. just ignore all the debt, right?
iz: because they weren't in the top 3-4, they can do that and everyone else just absorbs the costs
mircea_popescu: and people didn;t want to argue with them for the obvious reason of publicity.
iz: i hate it when ppl try to argue with me that the US should have just followed iceland's lead and let all the banks fail instead of bailing them out
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7268 @ 0.00066486 = 4.8322 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12807 @ 0.00065893 = 8.4389 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: i can see why they tried, at the time, and why they couldn't stop, after they tried.
iz: really? well, it seems to me like that's something that only countries w/ small economies can do
mircea_popescu: so it's not really a "should have". more like a, that'd have been retrospectively the correct path
iz: because someone has to foot the bill
iz: and it ends up being all the other contries that participate in the world economy, right?
mircea_popescu: it's just ego. no us politician can actually man up and say "listen, we fucked up. we were wriong.
mircea_popescu: welfare does not work, what we were trying to build doesn't work
iz: if the biggest country tries to do this, they rest of they can't absorb that much loss that quickly
mircea_popescu: and if given a chance you will steal and idle rather than do somethinguseful
mircea_popescu: and in any case you're too stupid by now to do anything useful anyway"
mircea_popescu: salaries go back to the economically warranted 5-600 usd a year
mircea_popescu: rents go back towhat they are in the 3rd world and so on.
jcpham: no way the gubment can code this well this fast
iz: mircea_popescu: i think it would affect the world economy too much
jcpham: that page is fucking sick though
iz: iceland could get away w/ it b/c they were small
dub: protip: the "world eceomony" has like 10 years left anyway
iz: i don't understand why you say there isn't a "too much"
dub: after that its back to eating each other
mircea_popescu: there is literally no limit to human suffering and hardship. none.
mircea_popescu: so, let it go back to where it has to go, rather than try and pretend for a coupl;a more years
iz: if a country wants to say "we fucked up, but we aren't going to pay our debts.. everyone else just absorb those costs and we're going to start over.. like country bankruptcy
dub: MIT forcast it in the '70s and we have been tracking perfectly
iz: is that what iceland did too?
iz: i thought they just said we don't owe anything
iz: sorry for investing all your money in our banks
iz: but you guys all lost out too
iz: and we're starting over now
iz: we all lost, but it happens.. restart now
iz: is my understanding incorrect re: iceland?
mircea_popescu: as far as i understand, the iceland thing was simply : banks are a private issue, the state does not back banks. figure it out.
iz: that's what i thought also
iz: so yeah.. i think they can only get away with that because they were so small relative to the rest of the world economy
mircea_popescu: they can get away with it because the gap between their real gdp and their nominal gdp was small
iz: if one of the largest world economies tried to do what iceland did, i think it would cause worldwide economical harm
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16596 @ 0.00066525 = 11.0405 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: it would just force a much more unpalatable "taking down a notch"
iz: hmm.. okay, i think i'm understanding what you're saying
mircea_popescu: the average american citizen uses up about 20k worth of resources a year.
mircea_popescu: if you stop pretending like what they're doing is useful,
dub: is that like maff and fings
mircea_popescu: you're forced to adjust their income to the real level.
mircea_popescu: making us average salari about 400 bucks ? a year that is.
dub: nyRednek: chinese factory workers are used to losing all their miney overnight though
mircea_popescu: now, the average american trying to live on 400 bucks a year would be a funny sight indeed.
dub: drastic reduction in the number of americans would go a long way to solving the problem
iz: but how would the us maintain their obesity record?
dub: you're only delaying it as of now
mircea_popescu: now, understandably the political decision was made that this wouldn't be acceptable. but this is a purely internal affair of the us. i can sorta see why they thought this too :
mircea_popescu: if they keep it going for just a little longer the top people can finish getting out
dub: nyRednek: the problem with your economy not actually being one
dub: nyRednek: sorry I thought that was the subject
mircea_popescu: but otherwise, it's the same as any imploding rogue state.
iz: hunting w/ automatic assult rifles
dub: nyRednek: no, not actually being an economy
iz: real answer though, as a hunter you realize there's not enough animals to sustain the population
dub: its a sick joke/debt ponzi
iz: maybe hunting the most dangerous game for soylent green
iz: nyRednek: can't hunt the animals that aren't there because they've already been over hunted
dub: nyRednek also nailed the actual problem
iz: yeah, the real problem with food is water and ancient aquifirs
iz: ah yes... the prized nosegopher
kakobrekla: >> Unluckily, as you could guess, hosting company decided to terminate my account as it is not just worth for them anymore.
dub: mircea_popescu: lol 'derp'
dub: turns out bitcoiners don't spend money (because mom doesn't give them enough)
kakobrekla: i dunno what the deal was but it ready just wrong
kakobrekla: i have a friend with a whole bladecenter intalled for some tiny change cause hosting co made a lousy contract
mircea_popescu: "There are many options. Delisting and telling everyone to just fuck off is exactly what can be expected form a narcissistic fucktard like Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: Why not halt the trading for start and provide a way to work this out between investors and those thieving scumbags at BitVPS."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17400 @ 0.00066525 = 11.5754 BTC [+]
jurov: lol, bitvps kicked coinurl
jurov: yes, they were in the same datacenter as me, same balckout
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 8750 @ 0.0047 = 41.125 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: meh srsly you get a top notch root server for 50euros a month
jurov: sorry i mixed it up
jurov: it was operationfabulous , another ad network
jurov: yes, something called trilema
jurov: you know that thing with porn syndication
jurov: that's the bitcoin press :P
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 613 @ 0.0047 = 2.8811 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 14.64351, Best ask: 14.69999, Bid-ask spread: 0.05648, Last trade: 14.69999, 24 hour volume: 45851.62111428, 24 hour low: 14.21001, 24 hour high: 14.75000, 24 hour vwap: 14.52390
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 7 @ 0.43 = 3.01 BTC [-]
gribble: There are currently 49313.389 bitcoins offered at or under 25.0 USD, worth 878896.357055 USD in total.
jcpham: not a lot of volume to 25
gribble: There are currently 97005.469 bitcoins demanded at or over 10.0 USD, worth 1252122.45239 USD in total.
jcpham: i doubt it'll happen but that's interesting
jcpham: i expected more when i picked an arbitrarily high number
jcpham: i like dwolla at first, now meh
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.43 = 0.86 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9293 @ 0.00065893 = 6.1234 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6183 @ 0.00065305 = 4.0378 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 25 @ 0.0064 = 0.16 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: i suppose they periodicly audit make sure no ex-linode employe is running a promiscuous sniffer anywhere on their network.
mircea_popescu: anyway. anyone here want to pick up that coinurl thing and run it sanely ?
thestringpuller: jcpham: that looks just like simplepay or what was doing with the
https curl command
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 420 @ 0.01 = 4.2 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: with a laboratory user test to evaluate whether PGP 5.0
mircea_popescu: achieve effective electronic mail security. The analysis
mircea_popescu: found a number of user interface design flaws that may
mircea_popescu: demonstrated that when our test participants were given
mircea_popescu: Alma Whitten / Carnegie Mellon University. Why Johnny Can’t Encrypt:A Usability Evaluation of PGP 5.0
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 851 @ 0.00538507 = 4.5827 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00539131 = 5.3913 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14717 @ 0.00065305 = 9.6109 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4383 @ 0.00065302 = 2.8622 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: "You guys are fantastic. You documentation is clear. The fact that you all live on the IRC channels makes obtaining information and help super simple."
mircea_popescu: im going to go troll balanced payments irc channel nao
thestringpuller: Each of Balanced.s customers is a potential Bitcoin merchant. Zaarly is using Balanced to provide payments handling for its peer-to-peer task market. Instead of Zaarly having to build its own, it can used Balanced.s API. With Bitcoin there is a little different flow. You can.t pull funds from a Bitcoin user. Bitcoin is push only. But Balanced also handles the payout component. And that is a push transaction. Bal
thestringpuller: But Balanced shows what is needed by the marketplace . a path that a Bitcoin variant could follow. Balanced is offered in the U.S. only. A bitcoin-variant could operate globally.
mircea_popescu: so basically... "we don't know, and don't wanna talk about it"
mircea_popescu: i'm sorry, but on the balance of this assesment balancedpayments is worth ~0, inflation adjusted.
mircea_popescu: look at me ma, i'm on an obscure start-up site! it won't go anywhere!
dub: good arb op there eh?
dub: [21:19] <bitcoinRT> Jan17 02:18:34 mtgox x194 3,924.8646 @ 14.83496831 USD
dub: [21:19] <bitcoinRT> Jan17 02:18:34 mtgox x229 3,999.9658 @ 14.42321997 AUD
thestringpuller: ;;later tell Bugpowder looks like people are putting basic point spread bets on bitbet now
dub: websocket pipe whatever
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 14.78900, Best ask: 14.84339, Bid-ask spread: 0.05439, Last trade: 14.78900, 24 hour volume: 48112.84457123, 24 hour low: 14.21001, 24 hour high: 14.92000, 24 hour vwap: 14.57203
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 250 @ 0.00574528 = 1.4363 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller there have been like... i think a dozen since the ipo
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 14.90001, Best ask: 14.91999, Bid-ask spread: 0.01998, Last trade: 14.91999, 24 hour volume: 48305.04798786, 24 hour low: 14.21001, 24 hour high: 14.92000, 24 hour vwap: 14.57849
gribble: There are currently 7912.5205 bitcoins offered at or under 15.0 USD, worth 118573.407675 USD in total.
gribble: There are currently 0 bitcoins demanded at or over 14.9 USD, worth 0.0 USD in total.
gribble: There are currently 180.31955 bitcoins demanded at or over 14.8 USD, worth 2674.22552159 USD in total.
gribble: There are currently 23.426751 bitcoins demanded at or over 14.85 USD, worth 349.058673438 USD in total.
kakobrekla: weekly forecast bet can be resolved early :)
kakobrekla: bbet ran out of shares so they went for second best
mircea_popescu: seems in bitcoin demand is a sharply increasing inverse of supply.
mircea_popescu: in retrospect maybe not surprising, given the nature of the btc game.
kakobrekla: inverse supply you mean all the scams or the block reward drop?
kakobrekla: isnt this same case as producers and consumers
mircea_popescu: sorta like childrend and toys. when nobody is playing nobody else wants to play. as toys become unavailable the desire to play increases
mircea_popescu: i guess it's like producers and consumers in a strange market
mircea_popescu: lol she in demand when you want her and idle otherwise ?
kakobrekla: yeah fuckin hoarding non-toy-sharing kids
error4733: if SD up to 0.006 and btc hit 15$ i almost double my invest in 2 weeks
mircea_popescu: error4733 someone was publishing his portofolio graph earlier and it looked quite exponential
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 14.91002, Best ask: 14.92000, Bid-ask spread: 0.00998, Last trade: 14.91002, 24 hour volume: 47727.52297059, 24 hour low: 14.21001, 24 hour high: 14.92000, 24 hour vwap: 14.58642
Diablo-D3: the market needs to pause for awhile to keep us at this level
Diablo-D3: I dont want to see another $30 spike and crash
Diablo-D3: thats not useful for the longterm viability of bitcoins
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C110T] 1000 @ 0.31226848 = 312.2685 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C120T] 1000 @ 0.24364587 = 243.6459 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: theres no reason that cant be repeated
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: well, I'd like to see us at $100 perm
Diablo-D3: well, what Im saying is, we need a firm foundation to continue building on
error4733: well i have a bet wit ha friend, BTC double this year
Diablo-D3: because we'll likely see a $28 high
Diablo-D3: but a 50/50 chance of $28 or higher becoming the new norm
error4733: mircea_popescu : u think $100 can be possible until the end of the year ?
error4733: so the usage will increase for 500% with the same supply ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1845 @ 0.00066525 = 1.2274 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: error4733 once people will come to terms with the failure of "asic projects"
Diablo-D3: you're in #bitcoin-assets and dont know we've already had publicly owned companies?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4698 @ 0.00066544 = 3.1262 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: (which is what they should have done in the first place)
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: except both avalon and asicminer should be done soon
Diablo-D3: was it a scam or did they just fail?
mircea_popescu: i don't think it was started as a scam. just, no skills.
error4733: maybe BFL but all the others as well ?
Diablo-D3: its the outright scams I think we need to deal with
error4733: how many dev in the world work on this tech
mircea_popescu: i don't think anyone actually has the resources to do asics. people like to dream, and then they sometimes get confused.
mircea_popescu: error4733 maybe half a dozen on the core and a few hundred on peripherals ?
Diablo-D3: error4733: on what tech? chip design in general?
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: doing asics is easy
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: it just costs money
Diablo-D3: remember, neither asicminer nor avalon made their sha256 cores
Diablo-D3: they used existing ones and spammed it on the chip
smickles: nyRednek: mpbor isn't really a bond tho
Diablo-D3: they just had to have the output cascade designed right
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: yes, those fucking design tools are blaaaaaargh
mircea_popescu: right. the problem with the "spam a core on chip" approach is that design cost is minimal
Diablo-D3: and what we're looking at IS the prototype
mircea_popescu: meanwhile i've been asking questions, i know of a case where they did 54 prototypes
Diablo-D3: asicminer already said their chips passed functionality tests
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 14.81200, Best ask: 14.89900, Bid-ask spread: 0.08700, Last trade: 14.89959, 24 hour volume: 47066.51104494, 24 hour low: 14.21404, 24 hour high: 14.92000, 24 hour vwap: 14.59850
Diablo-D3: so hopefully at least one of the 4 wins
mircea_popescu: as either cost of asic or losses from asic become monetized btc will have to go up
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6002 @ 0.00066544 = 3.994 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9354 @ 0.00066568 = 6.2268 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: look at the silicon valley for example
Diablo-D3: one of the biggest startup communities in the world
mircea_popescu: i think "the milk was spilleD" is more apt a comparison but anyway :p
Diablo-D3: but it produces an amazingly thriving economy
Diablo-D3: even when the companies fail, it produces more economic output than went in
mircea_popescu: the thing is we need to move away from cablepair and lambert type of failures to more economically tolerable types of failure
Diablo-D3: failure to mvp instead of outright scam or just wishful thinking
Diablo-D3: basic is more than wishful thinking but below mvp
mircea_popescu: to our advantage the silicon valley world is slowly moving towards a pure circus act.
Diablo-D3: nyRednek: I tried getting a company to take off
Diablo-D3: my first attempt was a failure because the stock exchange owner backstabbed everyone
Diablo-D3: nyRednek: so Im in the middle of cleaning that up and going for another attempt
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: before I click, is that pro pg or anti pg?
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: pg isnt the big bad though
mircea_popescu: tho it's a moot point, it just documents their most recent blunder
Diablo-D3: although I wish people would quit worshipping him
Diablo-D3: the problem with the silicon valley atm is the mvp achievements
Diablo-D3: whoever produces the smallest lightest easiest mvp wins
mircea_popescu: in their constant quest for "insight" about companies they kept going into sidechannels
mircea_popescu: by now all they're doing is comparing which "team" has the weirdest approach to stand-up
Diablo-D3: they're starting to feedback into themselves weirdly
Diablo-D3: like, whowever has the most unique weirdest circus act wins
mircea_popescu: i don't pick girls by the criterion "largest tit most exposed"
Diablo-D3: its like a competition of The Aristocrats
Diablo-D3: there are companies that hold massive assets that have pretty shitty cash flow
Diablo-D3: they're not horrible companies, just maybe mediocre corporate leadership
Bugpowder: nyRednek Be careful, if you hang out here much longer you will end up owning some bitcoin securities
Diablo-D3: the cash flow is positive, dont get me wrong, its just not that far from zero
Diablo-D3: constant cashflow is better than large profits
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: btw, what do you mean studying?
Bugpowder: I can hire an awesome pakistani programmer
Bugpowder: and you get screen caps every 10 minutes
Bugpowder: yeah I could pay less but this is a bit tricky job
Bugpowder: from things that require mouseover ajax calls
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: its not like securities are a new thing for me
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: Ive been laughing at wall street since I was a kid
Diablo-D3: it never made sense to me because it all looked like a giant ponzi
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: and over the past, oh, 5 years or so, Ive learned why it never made sense, it really is just a giant scam
Diablo-D3: its been kinda scammy since the 70s
Diablo-D3: and various long term shit has been going on since before ww2
Diablo-D3: there was lots of money to be made from that
mircea_popescu: for some reason it's easier for me to pick companies that will fail than ones that will succeed.
Diablo-D3: I know people who made money during the bubble, and then lost it when it popped; made it and kept it; and then made it DURING the pop
Diablo-D3: I have trouble picking companies that will fail
Diablo-D3: I think my selection criteria of safe bets is too conservative
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: like I said, I had lots of community help on that one
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: everyone got to walk away with a sore asshole after the GLBSE bust
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder to this day i didn't understand what microstrategy was making.
Bugpowder: Like using algorithms to optimize internal shit
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder no, srsly ? using algorithms to optimize internal shit ?
Diablo-D3: as a programmer and as someone who views both the law and business as domain specific languages, thats insane
Diablo-D3: yeah, when you lose 15 billion, the money didnt even really exist
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: back me up about the insanity part
mircea_popescu: Diablo-D3 i dunno either way. i still don't really comprehend what they did.
mircea_popescu: it's somewhere between "dressing up mathlab for idiots" and "conversations with aliens and spirits of the departed"
Diablo-D3: yes, but both of those ARE valid business models
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.421 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.42 = 0.84 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 20 @ 0.411 = 8.22 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.411 = 0.822 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.4459 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8400 @ 0.00066568 = 5.5917 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22000 @ 0.00066568 = 14.645 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: Anyone else notice that there has be some semi-whale like action on s.dice tonight?
error4733: good, SD run under EV for one week
Bugpowder: yeah, SDICE up 1300 in the last 100 bets over 10
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C120T] 1000 @ 0.24450216 = 244.5022 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C110T] 1000 @ 0.31321887 = 313.2189 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 14.85109, Best ask: 14.89897, Bid-ask spread: 0.04788, Last trade: 14.89897, 24 hour volume: 45268.43294958, 24 hour low: 14.35600, 24 hour high: 14.92000, 24 hour vwap: 14.62078
assbot: I don't give a shit who saw what and who did what or who did who.
assbot: Um, shouldn't you be with your own tribe or somethin'?
assbot: [MPEX:O.BTCUSD.C110T] 1D: 0.31226848 / 0.31274367 / 0.31321887 (2000 shares, 625.49 BTC), 7D: 0.21996239 / 0.28818392 / 0.31321887 (2720 shares, 783.86 BTC), 30D: 0.16843117 / 0.25993706 / 0.31321887 (10665 shares, 2,772.23 BTC)
Bugpowder: error4733 on my google doc importer
Bugpowder: in the first cell of a google spreadsheet
Bugpowder: then you can build your own analysis around it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9646 @ 0.00066568 = 6.4211 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7700 @ 0.00066642 = 5.1314 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 254 @ 0.0006698 = 0.1701 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4206 @ 0.00066482 = 2.7962 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3594 @ 0.00065882 = 2.3678 BTC [-]
error4733: @bug : ok and ? some manip to do ?
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 14.85001, Best ask: 14.87999, Bid-ask spread: 0.02998, Last trade: 14.88000, 24 hour volume: 43785.59666564, 24 hour low: 14.42508, 24 hour high: 14.92000, 24 hour vwap: 14.66609
Diablo-D3: awaaaaaaaaAAaaaaAAAaaaAAaaAAAAAAAaaAAAAAAaaaAAaaAAaAAAy we gooooo
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 400 @ 0.005879 = 2.3516 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1811 @ 0.00066217 = 1.1992 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8350 @ 0.00066194 = 5.5272 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7139 @ 0.00065987 = 4.7108 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18208 @ 0.00065987 = 12.0149 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5392 @ 0.00065943 = 3.5556 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8858 @ 0.00065943 = 5.8412 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12042 @ 0.0006592 = 7.9381 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 14.85117, Best ask: 14.91196, Bid-ask spread: 0.06079, Last trade: 14.91196, 24 hour volume: 46332.20423688, 24 hour low: 14.45000, 24 hour high: 14.92000, 24 hour vwap: 14.70084
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14650 @ 0.0006592 = 9.6573 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.00579708 = 2.8985 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 176 @ 0.00573305 = 1.009 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9278 @ 0.00066312 = 6.1524 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21150 @ 0.00066541 = 14.0734 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20509 @ 0.00066974 = 13.7357 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13868 @ 0.00067027 = 9.2953 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17250 @ 0.00067029 = 11.5625 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5750 @ 0.0006714 = 3.8606 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20450 @ 0.00067238 = 13.7502 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75000 @ 0.0006725 = 50.4375 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8674 @ 0.00067289 = 5.8366 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18071 @ 0.00067375 = 12.1753 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00473687 / 0.00503935 / 0.00598999 (145350 shares, 732.47 BTC), 7D: 0.00449034 / 0.00471101 / 0.00598999 (2616031 shares, 12,324.15 BTC), 30D: 0.0014 / 0.00372409 / 0.00598999 (11740066 shares, 43,721.16 BTC)
Bugpowder: US jobless aid applications fall to 5-year low
Bugpowder: SP500 is gonna blow thru the 5 year high today
mircea_popescu: yes but that just means chronical unemployment is becoming unamangeable
mircea_popescu: other than govt and high skilled tech jobs there's no hiring.
mircea_popescu: govt is a pointless expense and high skilled techs have no business playing the employee anwyay
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 201 @ 0.00150005 = 0.3015 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: The C140Ts are the ugly duckling of the MPOE
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7100 @ 0.0006647 = 4.7194 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: arent the strike price options the highes leverage usually?
Bugpowder: I dunno how the spread effects that
Bugpowder: more likely people are non-rational
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 14.95895, Best ask: 14.96000, Bid-ask spread: 0.00105, Last trade: 14.95895, 24 hour volume: 45073.86760974, 24 hour low: 14.45000, 24 hour high: 14.97000, 24 hour vwap: 14.72695
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00565991 = 5.6599 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2274 @ 0.00565992 = 12.8707 BTC [+]
pigeons: i don't know what's going on with this dice price
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00064635 / 0.00066278 / 0.00067375 (780682 shares, 517.43 BTC), 7D: 0.00062769 / 0.00065893 / 0.00067375 (6816444 shares, 4,491.59 BTC), 30D: 0.00058738 / 0.00063911 / 0.00067375 (39841651 shares, 25,463.37 BTC)
pigeons: ok i don't know is going on with the demand for this dice
Bugpowder: What if the world economy had 1 company that made money
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14000 @ 0.0006647 = 9.3058 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10450 @ 0.00067375 = 7.0407 BTC [+]
pigeons: dusplays a qr code for that
pigeons: also released a WP plugin so download this content via bitcoincapcha
pigeons: one day someone will think of a use haha
mircea_popescu: i know there's people who use them to pass mpex stuff from cold to hot machine
kakobrekla: we are excluding thoese two people from the study
kakobrekla: pizzaman1337 i code and i code and i code
pizzaman1337: kakobrekla: do you profit and profit and profit too?
kakobrekla: i have some interesting stuff that im testing now
pizzaman1337: I'll be back to bit4x in a month or two probably, busy at the moment with other stuff
kakobrekla: accually i know the person who made it :)
mircea_popescu: Amazon Kindles today already track bookmark usage patterns which they relay back to Amazon on via its wireless Whispernet.
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: erm? its just cloud sync
Diablo-D3: then load up it on a different device
Diablo-D3: and continue reading where I left off
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3000 @ 0.00067374 = 2.0212 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: its where multiple devices share the same state
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7679 @ 0.00067375 = 5.1737 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19089 @ 0.00067389 = 12.8639 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: EskimoBob: amazon has yet to enforce it on anyone
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8900 @ 0.00067439 = 6.0021 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: they cant seem to make a working DRM
pigeons: i think the funny thing is one of the first books amazon literally took back after publisher isses even after folks had paid for it was "1984"
mircea_popescu: this crap needs to die. apple, amazon, the whole shebang.
mircea_popescu: electronic devices where the buyer isn't the root user should be illegal.
mircea_popescu: making them illegal will pretty much be mpex's largest lobby effort in the future, im pretty sure.
pigeons: funnier that that is i've literally often encountered people who actually think apple is like a humanitarian organization
mircea_popescu: ya, sure, in the sense the dutch slave transporters were humanitarians
pigeons: oh shit mpex gonna get political, sell sell
mircea_popescu: i never heard of a company that size which managed to avoid getting political.
pigeons: bfl is bigger and they ain't political </troll>
Diablo-D3: [09:54:49] <pigeons> i think the funny thing is one of the first books amazon literally took back after publisher isses even after folks had paid for it was "1984"
Diablo-D3: they also said thats not happening again
Diablo-D3: they amended the licensing agreement with all the publishers that if they have to do that: too fucking bad
Diablo-D3: the reason 1984 was recalled was because the publisher apparently didnt have the rights to publish it as an ebook
Diablo-D3: and amazon ended up replacing it anyhow
Diablo-D3: the problem was people lost any bookmarks and notes on the title
Diablo-D3: due to how amazon stores data in the kindle software
Diablo-D3: I mean, at least Amazon fixed it and put it place that it cant happen again
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8850 @ 0.00067615 = 5.9839 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: pigeons: is it still pr if they actually fix it?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100 @ 0.00067827 = 0.0678 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: Diablo-D3 quoth mpoe-pr : "pr is being right. packaging is secondary."
pigeons: or i'll kick you in the GoMaD_s
mircea_popescu: i guess she'd have been taken out and shot if she worked for anyone else
pigeons: Korbman: keep buying those S.DICE
Korbman: I'd love to. Anybody want to give me money?
pigeons: pigeon pass through only 4%, pm
kakobrekla: ill pass you through PPT (no association with pirate) for 4.20% only
Korbman: what's with all the .net, .split quits?
Korbman: I'm not familiar with that one
pigeons: it's the way the IRC protocol/network works
mircea_popescu: clients connect to servers. servers sometimes lose connections to each other
mircea_popescu: clients on either side of this split see clients on the other side as netsplit.
pigeons: that server and the users connected aren't reachable termporarily
pigeons: so terryww you manually joined a different server? Korbman was asking about netsplits
mircea_popescu: pigeons you can pick the server if you want to, just bypass the dns
Korbman: Googling helped as well of course
pigeons: yeah, i was demoing for Korbman how most will rejoin when the server sees the other servers, but terry was different
Korbman: I imagine the other two will pop back soon as well
mircea_popescu: what happened here was that their server died, and this was reported first to the irc network and then to the clients linked to it.
mircea_popescu: they just saw their connection die and reloaded, ending up back on
mircea_popescu: "Unless I misunderstand something, having 1gb blocks would pose significant problems for pretty much all miners, and would not be necessarily trivial to handle on asics designed with 1mb/block assumptions in mind."
kakobrekla: would need to check what comes out the GBH or whatever is called protocol
Schadenfreude: GBH? I only know GHB, it's an easy entry synthesis, kinda babby's first home-made drug
mircea_popescu: that's a good comparison i thought. bw is an important limiting factor for miners.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.5 = 1.5 BTC [+]
topace_: with stratum bandwidth isnt an issue
topace_: i have 25GH running and it uses less than a 28.8 modem
Diablo-D3: heh, I should add stratum to diablominer
assbot: [BTCTC] [GOLD] 1 @ 1.1893 BTC [-]
Korbman: T1 is slow as shit, so probably
Diablo-D3: my DSL is approximately two those.
Diablo-D3: because all we had was dialup, and we didnt even have 56k yet
Diablo-D3: I started with 2400, then had 14.4, then had 33.6, then 56k for awhile
mircea_popescu: topace_ now multiply that 1.5 mbps with 100 because 2.5th won't be too rare by the time blocks are 1gb
Diablo-D3: and then I had 768k dsl and now 3mbps
Diablo-D3: and soon as fairpoint gets done raping verizon's dead corpse, Ill get 15
Korbman: when I was a kid I was happy to have 28.8 ..then we moved up to 56 and damn it was "fast"
Diablo-D3: 2 days to download an episode of anime
Korbman: and then I went straight from that to 1mbps cable and shit my pants
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 10 @ 0.1435 = 1.435 BTC [-]
Korbman: now I'm on 25mbps and I think it's too slow sometimes :P
jcpham: i wikipedia stalked your country i think
jcpham: now i forget everything i learned
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: i stole some code from work to help with the endeavor
assbot: Provide exchange and ticker.
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00064635 / 0.0006636 / 0.00067827 (852750 shares, 565.89 BTC), 7D: 0.00062769 / 0.00065914 / 0.00067827 (6872362 shares, 4,529.89 BTC), 30D: 0.00058998 / 0.00063929 / 0.00067827 (39819121 shares, 25,456.12 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX:O.BTCUSD.C140T] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.10808014 / 0.12130616 / 0.14775821 (15 shares, 1.82 BTC), 30D: 0.01359389 / 0.02685208 / 0.19999999 (1051 shares, 28.22 BTC)
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 14.87203, Best ask: 14.98901, Bid-ask spread: 0.11698, Last trade: 14.87001, 24 hour volume: 47086.67851179, 24 hour low: 14.45900, 24 hour high: 14.99002, 24 hour vwap: 14.76172
topace_: no, the difficulty for stratum will just go up
topace_: right now each block i submit to the pool is worth 16 shares
topace_: with 2.5TH, each block i submit will be worth like, 64 shares
topace_: it'll still try to submit x blocks every x minutes
mircea_popescu: i dunno, you actually have to somehow get the data you're hashing
kakobrekla: i got rid of all my gear except for single moded ztex runing 260mhash, ill just put it on solo and check in 10 years
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 90 @ 0.1435 = 12.915 BTC [-]
topace_: yea but the hash string is a short piece of text
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.00587899 = 2.9395 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.509 = 2.545 BTC [+]
Korbman: So the reality is, even at a TH/s bandwidth shouldn't be an issue?
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla> i got rid of all my gear except for single moded ztex runing 260mhash, ill just put it on solo and check in 10 years << tbh, if i mined i'd solo too.
Korbman: that's what I presumed, but I wasn't sure the exact amount of data consumed per, say, 1GH/s
mircea_popescu: Korbman there are two factors here : hash speed and average block size.
mircea_popescu: the ideea is that both will go up by degrees of magnitude (like, one or two every year)
mircea_popescu: and the question is, are there asumptions baked in (or even burned into silicon)
mircea_popescu: i have no clue about mining, but i've managed projects before and i'm inclined to suspect that probably there are.
jcpham: i'm going to keep mining as long as the orphanage is paying my power bill
pigeons: mircea_popescu: the other, non bfl asic manufacturers have mentioned that their devices are agnostic to bitcoin mining, only for sha-256 hashing and i think even agnosting to the 2x256 thing and all that detail stuff being handled in host controller software
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.51 = 2.55 BTC [+]
pigeons: but if big blocks like that, bfl has to rewrite their tablet software!
pigeons: anyway, see, if they were a scam, why even write that in the first place!
pigeons: who is this Shavers guy BFL hired for marketing?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 50 @ 0.515 = 25.75 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 8 @ 0.52 = 4.16 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.5275 = 2.6375 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.52999999 = 5.3 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.55 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 30 @ 0.55 = 16.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 8 @ 0.58 = 4.64 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 9 @ 0.58 = 5.22 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2000 @ 0.00067826 = 1.3565 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4550 @ 0.00067827 = 3.0861 BTC [+]
Korbman: damn...glad to see I'm still holding my shares of SDICE bought at .37 :P
assbot: [HAVELOCK:SDICE] 1D: 0.48000000 / 0.52973776 / 0.58000000 (143 shares, 75.75249990 BTC), 7D: 0.47500000 / 0.49032197 / 0.58000000 (719 shares, 352.54149990 BTC), 30D: 0.37000000 / 0.45605941 / 0.62000000 (3678 shares, 1677.38649988 BTC)
topace_: we'll see what happens on next dividend
topace_: i think a lot of people foolishly think that the crazy up luck month of december will continue
jurov: got announcements from amir/genjix:
jurov: I know how to format Sunday. Some of you will also know how to format
jurov: Sunday night events. I think we should definitely do it that way.
jurov: It's cold outside so we'll do it inside instead.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 14.90004, Best ask: 15.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.09996, Last trade: 14.90004, 24 hour volume: 48207.48847395, 24 hour low: 14.45900, 24 hour high: 15.00000, 24 hour vwap: 14.77713
jcpham: We have good news we have had a new shipment come in yesterday and were able to ship it to you.
jcpham: 15.15 the kids are bidding
mircea_popescu: <topace_> i think a lot of people foolishly think that the crazy up luck month of december will continue << actually december wasn't much off ev was it ?
jcpham: <amphipod> +Jan17 16:49:36 bitstamp 10.0000 @ 15.01 USD
jcpham: <amphipod> +Jan17 18:49:30 cbx 5.5012 @ 14.31 USD
jcpham: <amphipod> +Jan17 16:49:53 mtgox 0.2500 @ 15.15029 USD
jcpham: <amphipod> +Jan17 16:49:58 bitme 5.2000 @ 15.29 USD
jcpham: <amphipod> +Jan17 18:49:53 cbx 0.1366 @ 14.31 USD
jcpham: * i2pRelay (~i2prelay@gateway/tor-sasl/i2prelay) has joined #bitcoin-market
jcpham: <amphipod> +Jan17 16:50:22 btcn 1.0000 @ 91.98 CNY
jcpham: <amphipod> +Jan17 16:50:22 mtgox x23 24.6047 @ 15.16041205 USD
jurov: mircea, dunno, perhaps some anarchist thing
jcpham: it's every exchange too not just gox
smickles: damn mircea_popescu, who do you think will be chosen as judges
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C140T] 110 @ 0.1385 = 15.235 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C140T] 510 @ 0.1409839 = 71.9018 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: smickles well i have no idea, seeing how neither party gave any input. random pick
jcpham: i was at home yesterday
jcpham: that client is the suck
jcpham: yes where can ireadup on the particulars
jcpham: also it looks like this dispute is against mpex et al.
smickles: maybe i shouldn't start discussing details in case i'm chosen as a judge
jcpham: i think you are correct. no cross- talk
jcpham: but i would like any and al details to the particulars
jcpham: the sum of 130.04256216 mistakenly sent 130.00 BTC instead."
jcpham: is all i have deciphered thus far
jcpham: so it's a ssimple as someone not follwing the rules
jcpham: i assume mpex to be automated
jurov: did he at least send the additional 0.04256216?
jcpham: if it was mine it would be automated
jurov: i would, and then i'd argue it was nowhere sait it must be sent at once :P
smickles: jcpham: deposits arn't automated
smickles: well, I can't wait to see the argments presented
jcpham: iirc the mpex faq had some such statement about incorrect amounts
smickles: and I wonder if i'll be chosen as a judge or not
jurov: lol, there's a nice public note on blockchain.info.. did not knew this is possible
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 25 @ 0.00594222 = 0.1486 BTC [+]
jurov: or grep "Public Note:"
smickles: i think it's stuff you can put in the tx
jurov: no you can't put stuff like this into tx
smickles: use bitcoind help sendtoaddress
jurov: he mush have associated it some other way
jcpham: i'm thinking blockchain wallet
smickles: 1there are coinbase fields for [comment] and [comment-to]
jcpham: if it was in the tranasaction then the transaction isn't amistake
jcpham: so that idea negates the claim
jcpham: If bitcointalk wasn't such a toxic waste dump I'd suggest someone curate this information ina thread
jcpham: i'm fine i have my own notes
smickles: and they use OP_DROP to put the message in
mircea_popescu: smickles so basically, it's not a signature or anything ?
smickles: mircea_popescu: if it's in the tx, it is signed by the sender
mircea_popescu: problem is, the addies that signed are not the addies that sent the 130
smickles: what are you saying it's not proof of? it looks like a message they put up when decided to sue mpex
jcpham: i assume the message was added after the fact and blochain.info allows something special
mircea_popescu: smickles it's not proof that the same person actually sent the 130
jcpham: it appears that way from the information i am reading
mircea_popescu: understand, anyone watching mpex addy can claim any rounded sums
jcpham: so now there is the issue of ownership
jcpham: how does one prove ownership
mircea_popescu: either sign with the addy or show the deposit slip issued by mpex.
jcpham: we know who or where the current owner is, but can the previous owner prove ownership
smickles: i don't think the message could be added after the fact, it's in the tx afaik, however, the tx with the message was made on this past 17th, and isn't the 130 btc in question
smickles: so what are you guys on about?
topace_: heh this is gonna crash hard
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 15.29900, Best ask: 15.29980, Bid-ask spread: 0.00080, Last trade: 15.29900, 24 hour volume: 51318.02221687, 24 hour low: 14.45900, 24 hour high: 15.29990, 24 hour vwap: 14.82395
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 548 @ 0.00594222 = 3.2563 BTC [+]
smickles: people freaking out about the state of the world and going to bitcoin would be interesting
smickles: jcpham: did you see what i declared as my company's themesong?
jcpham: i never listened to it
smickles: ah well, i suppose it's not really important
jcpham: i saw the link but got busy
jurov: smickles. the message was certainly NOT in the tx. it looks like was just slapped on some other unrelated tx using blockchain.info
jcpham: the plaintiff will need to prove ownership. i don't see where that has been performed yet.
jcpham: maybe i've missed something
smickles: jurov: that's what i'm saying, the message is on an unrelated tx
jcpham: from the same address for a token amount
jcpham: however this doesn't prove an identity or ownership
jurov: OK, being "in" and "on" is quite a difference :)
Tritonio: hae you people seen the amazingrando scam accusation? How big was his mining op?
smickles: jurov: well, i wasn't making the distinction there, maybe out of my own ignorrance, but i saw a statement by piuk that those blockchian messags are in txns via OP_DROP
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 1 @ 0.8001 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 1 @ 0.8 BTC [-]
jurov: on polimedia.us/btcf is registration disabled or i'm blind?
jurov: in just got idea... saw some people advertising their forum, can't remember
jurov: i'd like to have some support topic for coinbr
jurov: where i could be admin ... i don't want btctalk
mircea_popescu: jurov forum was more a joke thing. it was never open registration, so it wouldn't make too good a support venue
jurov: and don't want to install/maintain more stuff on the vps just for that
jurov: mircea yes, but there were some other ppl that looked serious :)
smickles: jurov: yeah, you could only get membership on that forum if you had significant -otc trust with mircea, or even better L2 trust to mircea
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 82 @ 0.00594222 = 0.4873 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 918 @ 0.00595019 = 5.4623 BTC [+]
jurov: ;;gettrust mircea_popescu
jurov: or it was meant the otther way around?
jurov: ;;gettrust mircea_popescu jurov
mircea_popescu: i kinda forgot all about it lol. soon after glbse imploded and etc
Tatsuya: nice - any plans/chance you guys might post / give access to bet databases for running statistical analyses?
Tatsuya: That's what I meant, but yeah ok
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24900 @ 0.00067576 = 16.8264 BTC [-]
smickles: couldn't you construct that yourself?
Tatsuya: One thing that would be nice for the site, though, would be to see not just the BTC ratio, but also the user ratio
smickles: they're more like waves that have particle-like properties tho
smickles: er, i mean to say, you can't really say that a givin bet was done by a specific user
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11546 @ 0.00067576 = 7.8023 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 608 @ 0.00067576 = 0.4109 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8092 @ 0.00067575 = 5.4682 BTC [-]
Korbman: why the hell is blockchain.info showing up in spanish to me now...
Korbman: lol it was english this morning
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 482 @ 0.00595019 = 2.868 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 950 @ 0.00598578 = 5.6865 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 318 @ 0.00598999 = 1.9048 BTC [+]
Tatsuya: mircea_popescu, yup - that! better to gauge the riskyness of the best looking @ sample size - I know you list the individual bets, but tallying is a pain
Tatsuya: on top of the BTC no/yes in red/blue, also show # of users no/yes in red/blue
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 1 @ 0.7801 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 1 @ 0.78 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: i think that would be too crowded, perhaps we could place that info someplace else
Tatsuya: sure - just some way that's easier than counting the bets by hand
smickles: heh, add an "all the stats on this bet that you could ever want" link
Tatsuya: It's just for when - let's say you have a bet that's 100 BTC vs 100 BTC. It could be that just one person but in a 100 BTC 'no' bet and 1000 people put in 0.1 BTC bets. which would be an entirely different betting situation than 100 people betting 0.5 BTC 'yes' and 100 people betting 0.5 BTC 'no'
smickles: mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: don't for get the unicorn to leprechaun ratio
mircea_popescu: yeah. course you can sorta gauge that from the betlist
smickles: i say you can't, unique btc addys are easy to come by
smickles: low enough effort that you can't discount the possibility of a troll
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 125 @ 0.00598999 = 0.7487 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5785 @ 0.00067575 = 3.9092 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6615 @ 0.00067519 = 4.4664 BTC [-]
Tatsuya: there could still be statistical ways of detecting the probability of a troll vs not a troll
Tatsuya: I just want to get Bayesian all up on this data
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8694 @ 0.00067827 = 5.8969 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3106 @ 0.00067874 = 2.1082 BTC [+]
dub: so I never synced past "blocks" : 191463,
dub: been on that block for days
dub: wonder how many people just give up on bitcoin because of this
dub: I'd guess maybe >50%
Bugpowder: OK that is about enough bitcoin price raise for this month thank you very much
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 1 @ 0.76 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LTC-MINING] 2 @ 0.41 = 0.82 BTC [-]
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gribble: There are currently 0 bitcoins offered at or under 15.0 USD, worth 0.0 USD in total.
gribble: There are currently 19450.404 bitcoins offered at or under 19.0 USD, worth 331657.94613 USD in total.
gribble: There are currently 8987.8874 bitcoins offered at or under 16.9 USD, worth 145203.270584 USD in total.
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00064635 / 0.00066602 / 0.00067874 (838877 shares, 558.72 BTC), 7D: 0.00062769 / 0.00065943 / 0.00067874 (6900079 shares, 4,550.16 BTC), 30D: 0.00059238 / 0.00063945 / 0.00067874 (39816563 shares, 25,460.78 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.0048577 / 0.00529282 / 0.00598999 (83611 shares, 442.54 BTC), 7D: 0.00449034 / 0.00471824 / 0.00598999 (2501791 shares, 11,804.07 BTC), 30D: 0.0014 / 0.00372541 / 0.00598999 (11744538 shares, 43,753.22 BTC)
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 15.47100, Best ask: 15.58111, Bid-ask spread: 0.11011, Last trade: 15.47101, 24 hour volume: 55890.61316392, 24 hour low: 14.46811, 24 hour high: 15.58900, 24 hour vwap: 14.91688
mircea_popescu: all the theoreticians of btc as commodity will have a serious problem explaining this so far pretty consistent behaviour
gribble: There are currently 73086.439 bitcoins demanded at or over 12.0 USD, worth 1001985.33423 USD in total.
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C160T] 1000 @ 0.07214377 = 72.1438 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 75 @ 0.00598999 = 0.4492 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 200 @ 0.00598999 = 1.198 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [CREATE] 10 @ 0.04 = 0.4 BTC
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 15.61901, Best ask: 15.68000, Bid-ask spread: 0.06099, Last trade: 15.61901, 24 hour volume: 56166.81154533, 24 hour low: 14.47027, 24 hour high: 15.68000, 24 hour vwap: 14.93915
Bugpowder: Yeah I am short a fair number of calls
Bugpowder: by next Friday anything is possible
pigeons: this rvm stuff reminds me of the same retardedness as windows SxS
mircea_popescu: i guess im the first bitcoin person to be worth > 10mn.
Bugpowder: It could be be a painful month for MPORB or a great one.
assbot: [BTCTC] [CREATE] 124 @ 0.04 = 4.96 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 200 @ 0.00598999 = 1.198 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1524 @ 0.00593682 = 9.0477 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1126 @ 0.00581826 = 6.5514 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 15.36587, Best ask: 15.36588, Bid-ask spread: 0.00001, Last trade: 15.36588, 24 hour volume: 58349.69576818, 24 hour low: 14.50622, 24 hour high: 15.68000, 24 hour vwap: 14.96194
mircea_popescu: well,. this is too much excitement for me. anyone care rto recomend a movie ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 100 @ 0.00576441 = 0.5764 BTC [-]
dub: is that you EskimoBob?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6658 @ 0.00067874 = 4.5191 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3600 @ 0.00067882 = 2.4438 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11250 @ 0.00067928 = 7.6419 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17892 @ 0.00067983 = 12.1635 BTC [+]
dub: sounds retarded enough to be EskimoBob
pigeons: CREATE is matthew from "red star mining", quite an interesting fellow, with some idea to sell 3d printing services of some kind and not really make any money from it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 100 @ 0.00598999 = 0.599 BTC [+]
dub: yes, 'interesting' is one word
dub: or dumber than a box of hammers
dub: would you download a tank?
mircea_popescu: if i could download a tank i wouldn't download boobs...
dub: yeah, take boobs by force with your new tank
pigeons: no you cannot download a nitrous tank mp
dub: 'Romainian village raped at tank-point'
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.58 = 2.9 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 17 @ 0.58 = 9.86 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.5875 = 1.175 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4441 @ 0.00067983 = 3.0191 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16406 @ 0.00067998 = 11.1558 BTC [+]
Ukto: yeah we had light snow over night liek 2 nights in a row
jcpham: i opened my window to watch it
Ukto: just enough to whiten things
kakobrekla: unbelivalbe what kind of garbage asset people come up with
Ukto: kakobrekla: which one now?
Ukto: its more of a crowdfunding
Ukto: would work better in my new stuff thats comming up
assbot: [BTCTC] [MININGCO.ETF] 50 @ 0.5 = 25 BTC
jurov: they were helpful and quick, i have own board with admin rights
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1900 @ 0.00067519 = 1.2829 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 15 @ 0.33 = 4.95 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [CREATE] 1 @ 0.04 BTC
jurov: 14 guests viewing this board? lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25500 @ 0.00067519 = 17.2173 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 15 @ 0.33 = 4.95 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18772 @ 0.00067519 = 12.6747 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 12 @ 0.421 = 5.052 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.421 = 0.842 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 50 @ 0.00598999 = 0.2995 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00067519 = 7.3596 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11113 @ 0.00067519 = 7.5034 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4737 @ 0.00066769 = 3.1628 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 50 @ 0.00598998 = 0.2995 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 50 @ 0.00598998 = 0.2995 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 15.50001, Best ask: 15.54987, Bid-ask spread: 0.04986, Last trade: 15.50001, 24 hour volume: 67571.97026330, 24 hour low: 14.60030, 24 hour high: 15.68000, 24 hour vwap: 15.06797
dub: i don't grok CREATE at all
dub: seems to just be a free printer for Garr
mircea_popescu: dub let's face it, pretending like we're doing finance is cool.
dub: well it is finance, like getting 'finance' from an appliance store, right? only not having to pay it back
dub: he could print a free DIY lobotomy tool for anyone that invests
mircea_popescu: and "invests"... well... kids wanna have fun on the interwebs. why not ?
Namworld: He should have made a bond like BTC-BOND
dub: its shaped like a pencil, you hold it up to an eye and slam your face into the desk
mircea_popescu: 2.4k of which 800 due ? or 2.4k capital of which 800 writeoff ?
Namworld: 2.4k out of which I own 770 personally.
mircea_popescu: so he owes 2369 btc to btc-mining of which 770 are your share ?
Namworld: He's more than late. He hasn't been answering my PMs ever since he said he stopped GPU mining and said he'd be back when BFL would ship because he spent everything on that.
gigavps: Namworld he's still mining
gigavps: i'm have 14 machines in WA
Namworld: Yeah. If you have his contact info, I wouldn't mind.
mircea_popescu: so the guy with the 130 btc sent it off blockchain wallet ;/
mircea_popescu: if there a way for a user to prove he owns a blockchain address ?
jcpham: mircea_popescu in the original terms/faq/whatever for mpex, didn't you have some wordage saying something about incorrect amount being sent to you would be kept
jcpham: or has that changed now with rota
Namworld: mircea: you can sign message with your blockchain.info addresses.
jcpham: i seem to recall wordage somehwere along those lines
mircea_popescu: jcpham it was always the case, but i mostly hold it as a reserve to protect against rampant idiocy.
mircea_popescu: otherwise, people should have equitable remedy if they're reasonable i think
dub: ;;getrating amazingrando
mircea_popescu: this guy is kinda noobish, i think detailed explanation would help him a lot.
Namworld: There should be an option somewhere.
Namworld: Some people claimed with a blockchain address signing a message.
Namworld: No, I was told how but I don't remember
dub: [16:46] <mircea_popescu> if there a way for a user to prove he owns a blockchain address ?
Namworld: Should be in one of the dropdown menu when logged in.
jcpham: the most prolific investor in bitcoin
mircea_popescu: ya well, the dude fucked up. to be fair pretty much anyone in bitcoin has serious self image issues, so.
pigeons: i'm roger ver, respect my authorital!
pigeons: but i want to write country songs, all the ones i threw away for being too obvious are now #1 hits
pigeons: yer lovin made me as sick as a dog, so i'm sickin my dog on you
jurov: if not else, at least i know now what "fiduciary" means :P
mircea_popescu: "Alright, the contract has been revised, and I'm ready to list the shares. There's a BTC-TC database error preventing me from viewing the issuing account's portfolio, so as soon as Burnside fixes that the shares will be listed."