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mircea_popescu: in the unwarranted hope i'll settle. which i won't, so that's moot.
Bugpowder: nyRednek, fiat porfolio performance doesn't look like this, ever. http://i.imgur.com/idoM0.png
mircea_popescu: jesus.
mircea_popescu: you know what ? that looks like a ponzi.
nyRednek: mircea_popescu, well, what i just saw described is securities fraud...one wouldn't need to find a serpentine lawyer to deal with such
mircea_popescu: nyRednek i don't think you're at all qualified to discuss the topic.
Bugpowder: read the contract dude
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder i imagine he can't now, seeing how he wasn't there at the time and prolly doesn't have a copy.
Namworld: I have a copy
Namworld: It says almost nothing
mircea_popescu: someone shoul;d put a copy on pastebin or /we
Bugpowder: I probably lost more on F.GIGA.ETF then everyone else put together
Luke-Jr: Bugpowder: just because it's in a contract doesn't make it legal
smickles: http://trilema.com/2013/sbvps-delisting-notice/#footnote_3_45492 << woah, what?
nyRednek: Buglouse, ponzi scheme?
mircea_popescu: it's funny, cause actually mpoe/mpex largest loss was the ~4k btc in august
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 577 @ 0.00525471 = 3.032 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 250 @ 0.0052977 = 1.3244 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: smickles what's the q ?
Bugpowder: nyRednek, just my personal BTC performance chart
Bugpowder: mostly due to stock price appreciation
nyRednek: Buglouse, again, looks like a ponzi started paying
Bugpowder: missed a few opportunites
mircea_popescu: poor Buglouse.
nyRednek: Bugpowder, i mean
Bugpowder: not ponzi, just supply and demand imbalance
Bugpowder: which we are seeing RIGHT NOW with S.DICE
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder no, seriously, it looks totally like a ponzi
Bugpowder: http://live.coinbr.com/?mpsic=S.DICE
nyRednek: mircea_popescu, that's what it looked like to me
Bugpowder: It is unsustainable for sure
mircea_popescu: i think the problem with btc finance is that people have a crazy time curve.
mircea_popescu: nobody wanted to buy at 32 cause o, 10mn stocks.
Luke-Jr: guess it'll take Erik's arrest to crash S.DICE :/
mircea_popescu: then that sold out, little by little, now they pay 50 ?! 60 ?
Bugpowder: yeah
Bugpowder: that is the risk
mircea_popescu: nyRednek it looks the same to me too. it's what it looks like.
mircea_popescu: Luke-Jr pestering erik atm is the single most damaging thing that can happen to bitcoin.
Luke-Jr: Bugpowder: it's more of an inevitable certainty than a risk, really
Bugpowder: passthru's are removing stock from the market
Luke-Jr: mircea_popescu: no, Erik is damaging to bitcoin
mircea_popescu: Luke-Jr i don't mean the imaginary bitcoin you jack off to.
mircea_popescu: i mean the actual, useful thing.
Bugpowder: Luke-Jr I wouldn't say inevitable. but definitely possible
Luke-Jr: Bugpowder: he's in New York. running an online gambling site. openly. as he writes anti-government rants.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 300 @ 0.00569016 = 1.707 BTC [+]
Luke-Jr: Bugpowder: how is that NOT inevitable?
mircea_popescu: thought he was in nh
Bugpowder: WOW
nyRednek: Luke-Jr, oh, he's going to prison
nyRednek: Luke-Jr, not a question of if, but when
Bugpowder: its bitcoin
mircea_popescu: what's with you people and prison.
smickles: really? satoshidice isn't a 'merican company?
mircea_popescu: there's this penitentiary obsession in the us or what
Luke-Jr: mircea_popescu: I'm pretty sure you're the minority anarchist nutcase.
smickles: why would the operator go to prison?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00569016 = 5.6902 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: linden dollars are convertible
Luke-Jr: smickles: NY is America…
nyRednek: smickles, promoting gambling is a federal offense
mircea_popescu: Luke-Jr that certainty is easy to reach if you stick to people who agree with you.
Luke-Jr: Bugpowder: which is why Linden Labs had to remove all random from Second Life
nyRednek: smickles, doesn't matter where the company is based
smickles: Luke-Jr: but satoshidice is registered in ireland or something like that
Luke-Jr: smickles: I doubt anyone cares.
nyRednek: smickles, doesn't matter if the online gambling is legal in jurisdiction that it is based in
Bugpowder: I love how the price keeps going up during this discussion
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.00569016 = 2.8451 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: !ticker m s.dice
nyRednek: smickles, if an american promotes online gambling in any way, it is a federal offense
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00454703 / 0.00477482 / 0.00569016 (1080790 shares, 5,160.58 BTC), 7D: 0.00449034 / 0.0047035 / 0.00569016 (2770063 shares, 13,029.00 BTC), 30D: 0.0014 / 0.0037207 / 0.00569016 (11858048 shares, 44,120.28 BTC)
mircea_popescu: nyRednek do you really think anyone cares what the us thinks about anything ?
nyRednek: mircea_popescu, well, american residents should
smickles: nyRednek: can you point me to that law pleas :)
Luke-Jr: nyRednek: srsly?
Bugpowder: nyRednek, federal or state?
nyRednek: Bugpowder, federal
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder he's confused. there's the using banking for gambling federal thing.
Bugpowder: The NY dude that got arrested recently was state
Luke-Jr: nyRednek: so like, if I tell people about other not-DDoSing-Bitcoin gambling sites to use instead of SD, I'm in trouble? :o
nyRednek: Luke-Jr, maybe
mircea_popescu: Luke-Jr not rly. but you won't go anywhere. the model works like this because it's sound like this.
mircea_popescu: this is what bitcoin exists to do.
mircea_popescu: you coder people, instead of arguing with your implicit boss, should just stfu and go to work
nyRednek: a guy was arrested recently who just sold software to gambling sites
mircea_popescu: to make what needs to be done be done.
mircea_popescu: nyRednek that was the most embarrasing botched conspiracy to pervert the course of justice ever
mircea_popescu: it wouldn't surprise me if the das involved end up in jail.
Bugpowder: law I believe
nyRednek: mircea_popescu, it doesn't work that way here
smickles: no link or code # for the law?
Bugpowder: NY though
mircea_popescu: nyRednek how would you know how it works there ?
Bugpowder: inden_Lab_Official:Policy_Regarding_Wagering_in_Second_Life
Bugpowder: that was state
Bugpowder: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Linden_Lab_Official:Policy_Regarding_Wagering_in_Second_Life
Bugpowder: yeah
Bugpowder: oops
nyRednek: mircea_popescu, i've been on the receiving end of ill-executed criminal justice efforts
Luke-Jr: Bugpowder: FBI basically forced that FWIW
mircea_popescu: eyah, well, that may not give you the best perspective i guess.
nyRednek: mircea_popescu, and beat it
smickles: also, arrested/shut down != illegal
mircea_popescu: not particularly hard a thing to do, but certainly exhilirating in any case.
nyRednek: mircea_popescu, any attorney who acts "in good faith" is covered under sovereign immunity
mircea_popescu: if he acts in good faith
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13900 @ 0.00065568 = 9.114 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.00065423 = 3.402 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 83 @ 0.00569017 = 0.4723 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 200 @ 0.00569016 = 1.138 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.00539589 = 2.6979 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 217 @ 0.00539588 = 1.1709 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: DUMP
nyRednek: "in good faith" is hard to disprove
mircea_popescu: threatening a honest citizen with unwarranted prosecution if he refuses to break the law will be a tough sell as good faith.
mircea_popescu: and good faith is not always presumed.
nyRednek: mircea_popescu, and is generally established by affidavit
mircea_popescu: anyway. that arrest is possibly the worst setback for gambling prosecution in the past year or two.
mircea_popescu: wait.
mircea_popescu: it sold DOWN from 65 ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1650 @ 0.00546657 = 9.0198 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: motherfucker wow.
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder update in the ponzi graph ? lol
Bugpowder: naw it got fucked up
Bugpowder: I cornered the market this morning
Bugpowder: then fatfingered it all away
Bugpowder: not all
nyRednek: yeah, dumping s.dice through my proxy, as well...give it an hour and it'll be a little lower
Bugpowder: but a lot
smickles: nyRednek: did you mean 31 USC section 5361ish?
nyRednek: smickles, sounds right
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.005807 = 2.9035 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3100 @ 0.0058077 = 18.0039 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 6400 @ 0.00598999 = 38.3359 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: o-)
mircea_popescu: http://live.coinbr.com/?mpsic=S.DICE
mircea_popescu: that looks epic, srsly.
smickles: nyRednek: i'm looking thru it again, but that doesn't make it illegal to promote gambling
Bugpowder: so does this
Bugpowder: http://mpex.co/?mpsic=S.DICE
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder remember that 18 dump ?
Bugpowder: yah
mircea_popescu: man...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10750 @ 0.00065423 = 7.033 BTC [-]
smickles: nyRednek: it makes it illeagal to accept money for online gambling, it seems
Luke-Jr: mircea_popescu: j/w, but why do you care about what contracts say at all?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4950 @ 0.00064989 = 3.217 BTC [-]
smickles: and is the only federal online gambling law i've yet read
mircea_popescu: Luke-Jr http://trilema.com/2012/gpg-contracts/
mircea_popescu: it's an entire philosophy
nyRednek: smickles, current prosecution is going after software vendors who code software used by online gambling sites
Luke-Jr: mircea_popescu: tl;dr
mircea_popescu: well if you tl;dr you won't know.
smickles: nyRednek: not under that law, i'm sure
Luke-Jr: I'm not curious enough to read that long thing
Luke-Jr: which seems to be focussed on more than just the question
mircea_popescu: no biggy
smickles: can you help me find the law that those people are breaking?
nyRednek: smickles, i'll look, it might actually be in the new york code
mircea_popescu: smickles his generalisation is unwarranted. one particular da's dirty got blown in the open is all.
nyRednek: cause it's being prosecuted here in NY
Bugpowder_: yes
Bugpowder_: that is what i said
Bugpowder_: 5 minutes ago
smickles: nyRednek: wait, NY is shutting down an AZ company?
smickles: wtf?
smickles: why don't they just keep doing business
Bugpowder_: !ticker m s.dice
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00454703 / 0.00478731 / 0.00598999 (1087457 shares, 5,206.00 BTC), 7D: 0.00449034 / 0.00470862 / 0.00598999 (2782713 shares, 13,102.74 BTC), 30D: 0.0014 / 0.00372295 / 0.00598999 (11870698 shares, 44,194.02 BTC)
smickles: it'd have to be a federal law
mircea_popescu: smickles i presume cause nobody wants to do business with them anymore because nobody's sure if they have or haven't backdoored
dub: since when has law been a basis for the justice system anyway?
smickles: mircea_popescu: the article i just skimmed said that the ny judge 'shut them down'
smickles: 'legally'
mircea_popescu: um ?
dub: next you'll tell me there are constitutional rights or something euqlly crazy
mircea_popescu: dub yes, you have the right to free rectal examinations with any airline ticked bought.
mircea_popescu: think of the children.
dub: oh they were
mircea_popescu: has anyone noticed the big move today, ie germany taking its gold back from ny ?
nyRednek: smickles, i was assuming it was a federal law, as well, due to the interstate nature of the order
dub: gold, pff, call me when they take the palladium
mircea_popescu: why ?
dub: cheap pirate joke
nyRednek: well, gold is worth more than platinum atm, so...yeah
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11510 @ 0.00066014 = 7.5982 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11474 @ 0.00066181 = 7.5936 BTC [+]
dub: palladium is the new hotness with the hookers and blow set
mircea_popescu: "I've survived entirely on bitcoin for a whole year. " ☟︎
mircea_popescu: dude this is getting old.
mircea_popescu: bitcoin scammer runs off with w/e
mircea_popescu: then three, six months later is back
smickles: nyRednek: http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/threatlevel/2012/12/StuartIndictment_BillofParticulars.pdf
mircea_popescu: "o, sorry, i has no marketable skills other than selling you ppl's bitcoinz. pls to take me back"
mircea_popescu: what the fuck is this shit!
dub: its MNW
dub: enough said
mircea_popescu: lambert was here recently too
mircea_popescu: sorta smarmy on the forum, giving opinions
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11934 @ 0.00066181 = 7.898 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1533 @ 0.00066182 = 1.0146 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: in six months muppets a la eskimoblob will be all pleased to interact and exchange opinions and pats on the back
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 933 @ 0.00066525 = 0.6207 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ridiculous.
dub: PH has been posting around under ppt-pr
mircea_popescu: right.
mircea_popescu: it's like... pfff.
smickles: nyRednek: so it's ny pen. law 225.10
smickles: not federal law
mircea_popescu: That brings me to the final point. I initially intended to teach the community a lesson about trust, I did not expect anyone to really take the bets and thus I did not expect to keep any profits. As the bets grew though, I was tempted with greed and I fell into a trap.
nyRednek: smickles, right...looks like that's the search warrant
mircea_popescu: fucking ridiculous narrative. from 1910 onwards, the same soup of the puritan-contrite criminal
mircea_popescu: "o, i fell into a trap"
mircea_popescu: he fell into his mother.
Bugpowder_: he should probably be arrested under ny pen. law 225.10
JWU_42: had to down rate rg
JWU_42: after seeing the delisting announcement
mircea_popescu: that's a point
mircea_popescu: ;;eauth mircea_popescu
gribble: Request successful for user mircea_popescu, hostmask mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/8A736F0E2FB7B452
jcpham: ;;unrate rg
gribble: Successfully removed your rating for rg.
smickles: mircea_popescu: did rg actually release his keys?
mircea_popescu: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:f3a98fc18f7f44dfc4e108c87e1cfd5aa354d8f1497ec4c17d11c7e2
gribble: You are now authenticated for user mircea_popescu with key 8A736F0E2FB7B452
mircea_popescu: smickles from what i heard.
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 3 @ 0.43 = 1.29 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ;;rate rg -1 from what I understand person no longer has sole control of private key. ☟︎
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user rg has changed from 3 to -1.
smickles: mircea_popescu: he'd have to have, for arji and them to pay divs, right?
mircea_popescu: smickles logically, yes.
smickles: ;;rate rg -10 gave away his private keys
gribble: Error: For identification purposes, you must be identified via GPG to use the rating system.
mircea_popescu: smickles mind that the system dioes not actually verify ownership
mircea_popescu: it's not hard proof in that sense.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BVPS] 9761 @ 0.00130005 = 12.6898 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BVPS] 739 @ 0.0002 = 0.1478 BTC [-]
Bugpowder_: YAY1
mircea_popescu: what, you were buying ?
Bugpowder_: was waiting to see if the .0002 would get hit
Bugpowder_: f no
Bugpowder_: just like to see the last gasp of a dying creature
mircea_popescu: !ticker m s.bvps
assbot: [MPEX:S.BVPS] 1D: 0.0002 / 0.00122262 / 0.00130005 (10500 shares, 12.84 BTC), 7D: 0.0002 / 0.00131668 / 0.00635541 (10696 shares, 14.08 BTC), 30D: 0.0002 / 0.00243135 / 0.00635541 (23929 shares, 58.18 BTC)
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-GOLD] 1 @ 0.0433 BTC [+]
mod6: ;;unrate rg
gribble: Successfully removed your rating for rg.
smickles: arij: how were ya'll able to pay s.bvps dividends?
arij: For December?
smickles: well, at all. I mean how were you able to run the command on mpex?
smickles: it's something that just recently poped on my interest meter
mircea_popescu: ny has some funny class e felonies. "Promoting a suicide attempt". "Stalking in the second degree". "Abortion in the second degree". "Female genital mutilation". "Substitution of children". "Computer trespass". "Welfare fraud in the fourth degree".
mircea_popescu: etc
dub: substitution of children?
mircea_popescu: Rent gouging, Unlawfully concealing a will, Unlawful possession of personal identification information in the second degree
arij: Nam was taking care of that, I've never personally used mpex
mircea_popescu: Rewarding official misconduct in the second degree. like what, voting ?
Namworld: smickles: rg gave his gpg keys
mircea_popescu: http://ypdcrime.com/penal.law/e_felonies.htm list really kicks ass.
dub: theres some bylaw in our capital that hotels must provide horse tethering facilities
smickles: Namworld: ah, that's too bad
mircea_popescu: Unlawfully dealing with fireworks
jcpham: that means he has no interest in WoT
smickles: ;;eauth
gribble: (eauth <nick>) -- Initiate authentication for user <nick>. You must have registered a GPG key with the bot for this to work. You will be given a link to a page which contains a one time password encrypted with your key. Decrypt, and use the 'everify' command with it. Your passphrase will expire in 10 minutes.
smickles: ;;eauth smickles
gribble: Request successful for user smickles, hostmask smickles!~smickles@mostofmany.com. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/EA62D7CEB2450C3F
Namworld: He's gone gone
mircea_popescu: jcpham pretty crazy, isn't it.
mod6: what keys
jcpham: yes
smickles: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:8926d9daa6911895a4b7dfc67516b590f01432eae6b601b77780a3c8
gribble: You are now authenticated for user smickles with key EA62D7CEB2450C3F
mod6: err, sorry. what keys were given out? i've been ill so im just trying to catch up
jcpham: the private key to his gpg identity
mod6: wat
smickles: ;;rate rg -10 gave away his private key
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user rg has changed from 2 to -10.
nyRednek: ;;getrating rg
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. User rg, rated since Sun Jun 5 10:39:49 2011. Cumulative rating 321, from 159 total ratings. Received ratings: 156 positive, 3 negative. Sent ratings: 148 positive, 17 negative. Details: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=rg
mircea_popescu: nyRednek he was well known for a long time.
nyRednek: mircea_popescu, so it seems
nyRednek: so which security is he running?
arij: He can easily verify his identity and get a new gpg key
smickles: Namworld, arij i'd like you know that I don't fault you guys for using the keys tho
mircea_popescu: was, s.bvps
arij: No need to neg rate :/
jcpham: i unrate drama cases
jcpham: sad news though about thgpg key
jcpham: he was in -otc the other day
jcpham: grubles too
mircea_popescu: i guess people just don't realise that's the absolute limit of what you can't do.
mod6: yeah i saw that
jcpham: i bought some silver from grubles
jcpham: after i made him auth
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 206 @ 0.00539588 = 1.1116 BTC [-]
mod6: ;;rate rg -5 Gave away private key to WoT account. And this: http://trilema.com/2013/sbvps-delisting-notice
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of -5 for user rg has been recorded.
mod6: That's the first neg rating i've given out. I'd like to hear from rg about all of this though.
dub: I doubt he gives a shit
smickles: the whole idea of using gpg with the wot revolved around contracts, if he gave his personal signing ability to someone else, i can't be sure that any contract I sign with that key has ever been "real"
jcpham: right
mod6: totally
jcpham: big no-no
mircea_popescu: yeah, keeping private keys private is capital.
mod6: without that, we're lost
Namworld: He gave it strictly on account he had to leave BitVPS to someone else.
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C130T] 1 @ 0.11872201 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: Namworld i understand there's no ill will.
jcpham: no one is blaming you guys
jcpham: rg should've known better or known the ramications
arij: D:
jcpham: should the WoT discover this
smickles: mircea_popescu: couldn't the account priviges have been transferred?
mircea_popescu: jcpham or at least asked.
smickles: (to another key)
mod6: did he just hand it over so you could access his mpex account with the remaining shares?
mircea_popescu: smickles no. that's the entire idea of mpex. that you can't just pass things around.
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P130T] 1 @ 0.03844519 BTC [+]
Namworld: mod6, pretty much
mircea_popescu: you make a company, it's yours. shareholders can't kick you out. you can't "sell" your interest.
mircea_popescu: company may be acquired, sure, but as a corp merger or somesuch.
mod6: ahh. he should have just used PUSH and he could have avoided a lot of issues
Namworld: What about dividends?
mircea_popescu: mod6 basically he decided he'll do something that couldn't be done contractually
mircea_popescu: and just charged ahead with it.
mod6: :(
mircea_popescu: which is possibly the only part i'd complain about it. not like im not fucking here all the rtime
mircea_popescu: or i charge a bitcoin per line to advise or anything.
mod6: yeah, everything that happened wasn't really allowed by the contract
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18050 @ 0.00064635 = 11.6666 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: so just how fucking hard it is to go /query mircea_popescu hey dude here's what i want to do, does it work how should i do it
mod6: right. everytime i have a question or something, you're there pretty quick to help
mod6: i don't know what the problem was there
mircea_popescu: i imagine a large part of the problem was that bvps suddenly seemed very small, in btc terms
mircea_popescu: and so not really a priority or anything
smickles: nyRednek: in order for that software dev to be convicted, the code he wrote would have to be 'bookmaking' (in the gambling sense ) software
smickles: or
smickles: apparently, reciving gambled money is promoting gambling in the first degree
Bugpowder_: he made a tool that allows others to run a site
smickles: i wonder if that means that any shareholder of S.DICE is breaking this law
Bugpowder_: DA can charge
Bugpowder_: can he convict?
Bugpowder_: most people don't want to take the risk
Bugpowder_: of a fight
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder_ which is how the system works, over there.
smickles: also, did you notice that not talking to the cops can get you convicted of murder?
smickles: well, it's up to the supreme court anyway
mircea_popescu: o they picked it ?!
nyRednek: smickles, one or the other, i'm not following the case as closely as i should, tbh
smickles: boils down to a cop saying "hey, your not under arrest, but is it possible that those shotgunshells at the murder scene are yours?"
smickles: you don't answer, your're a murder
smickles: *er
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3944 @ 0.000647 = 2.5518 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: wtf bs is that ?
nyRednek: Bugpowder_, new york jurors don't have as much reasonable doubt as one should, tbh
smickles: the bs is they say it's not covered by the 5th b/c he wasn't under arrest YET
mircea_popescu: AHAHAHA
mircea_popescu: anyone actually takes that seriously ?
nyRednek: smickles, sounds about right
dub: this is why we don't live in 'murica
mircea_popescu: i guess that's why they like a lot of them "low information voters" around.
nyRednek: smickles, also, in indiana, cops don't have to knock and announce before executing a search warrant
smickles: now i'm spooked by the last time I was pulled over, and didn't say a wort to the cop
dub: lol what did you do?
smickles: nyRednek: in missouri they come in and shoot your pomeranian
mircea_popescu: he was transporting a 720lb torpedo
nyRednek: smickles, the best vague answer, "i don't know what you're talking about, officer"
mircea_popescu: atop his converted dodge
smickles: dub: I was driving
dub: smickles: yeah what did you do during the interaction
dub: you just handed over ID and pretended to be mute?
smickles: dub: politely smiled and let him talk
mircea_popescu: i wonder what sort of misdemeanor it is if you just jack off while the cop tries to talk to you
nyRednek: mircea_popescu, that's disorderly conduct
jcpham: public indecency i suppose
dub: mircea_popescu: rape no doubt
mircea_popescu: nyRednek i would have imagined not speaking english is disorderly conduct
smickles: dub: he claimed that I had a tail light out, it wasn't true, so he gave me an 'unwritten warning'
mircea_popescu: (or spanish)
jcpham: definitely rape if semen touches the cop
mircea_popescu: jcpham what if clothes but no cop ?
nyRednek: well, in NYC, it's disorderly conduct...it's assaulting an officer if semen touches
mircea_popescu: improper textile soiling in the 3rd degree ?
jcpham: clothes might count
dub: mircea_popescu: unlicensed sperm odnation
nyRednek: same as spitting on a cop...assault
dub: donation*
jcpham: maybe the clothes is just sexual assault
jcpham: i think ejaculating on an officer might be felony territory
smickles: WTF is this zamboni game on google?!?
mircea_popescu: i would guess it'd depend if they enjoyed it
jcpham: ha
nyRednek: felonious assault of an officer
nyRednek: same as screaming, "i'm gonna fuck you up, piggy"
mircea_popescu: the lonious assault of an officer if you play that shit too loud
dub: smickles: I asked my canukistani friend if it signified anything, apparently not
mircea_popescu: threatening is assault now ?
nyRednek: mircea_popescu, threatening has always been assault
dub: yeah
nyRednek: mircea_popescu, when you strike, it's battery
mircea_popescu: apprehension yeah
smickles: it has to be an earnest threat to be assult tho
mircea_popescu: right you are.
smickles: otherwise, it's bullying
jcpham: like if i threaten to kill you i need to own a weapon first?
jcpham: or the threat of death is enough
smickles: which is usually illegal now too (bullying)
jcpham: :-)
nyRednek: jcpham, threat of death is enough for assault, terroristic threatening
nyRednek: smickles, that was a stupid law that apportioned activity that was already covered by the penal code
jcpham: but what if i have down's syndrome and i'm not actually a threat
mircea_popescu: think of the children!
smickles: jcpham: well, as I understand it, you can threaten to kill all you want if its a joke, but proving it's a joke can be tricky in some situations
nyRednek: redundant sections of the penal code should be excised
jcpham: i've never made a death threat that i know of
smickles: nyRednek: you suffer from the is/ought distinction
smickles: jcpham: you threatent to pay me once, i've got it in writing
nyRednek: redundant sections of law in general need to be excised, at all levels
smickles: iirc, you made good on the threat too :P
jcpham: payment threats
mircea_popescu: nyRednek ideally, the law should fit in fifty pages.
mircea_popescu: that's how i'd have it. you want to make a new law ? gotta wipe old one first, make space.
mircea_popescu: you get 64kb.
nyRednek: mircea_popescu, maybe not fifty pages, but less than a full library of volumes
mircea_popescu: fifty pages
jcpham: all lwas ought to fit in 640k of RAM
mircea_popescu: so that highschoolers can be required to know the whole law by heard
mircea_popescu: or else not graduate.
smickles: mircea_popescu: then law will grow at a rate = to compression tech
mircea_popescu: compression is finite.
mircea_popescu: and also not allowed.
nyRednek: hell, definitions don't fit in 50 pages
mircea_popescu: 64kb of [azAz09.-]
mircea_popescu: nyRednek tough.
smickles: noone yet congratulated me on my creation of another person :|
mircea_popescu: o ?
mircea_popescu: congrats!
mircea_popescu: cigar or no cigar ?
nyRednek: hell, the 1783 treaty of paris didn't fit in 50 pages
mircea_popescu: nyRednek tough.
smickles: mircea_popescu: http://starpas.azcc.gov/scripts/cgiip.exe/WService=wsbroker1/names-detail.p?name-id=L18030781&type=L.L.C.
nyRednek: smickles, i've done it a few times, you have my sympathies
mircea_popescu: if ignorance of the law is no defence then the law fits in 64kb
mircea_popescu: smickles a hehe that kind. well grats nonetheless
smickles: :D
smickles: the next real person should be coming around may
mircea_popescu: let people add to the 64kb through private contract if they want to.
smickles: and a cigar would be in order if all goes well
nyRednek: oh, contract law is an entirely new matter
nyRednek: as is common law
nyRednek: and case law
nyRednek: case law being precedent set by court rulings as to the proper interpretation of law
smickles: i don't like that idea
nyRednek: smickles, which idea?
nyRednek: many of our legal conventions are handed down by precedent
smickles: that the first interpretation should necessarily affect any following
nyRednek: unless you live under napoleonic code, which throws legal precedent out the window
smickles: mircea_popescu: that's romania, right?
smickles: vampires and such
nyRednek: smickles, but, in reality, the english system follows the construct of legal precedent
nyRednek: smickles, otherwise, we'd have no interpreted right to privacy
mircea_popescu: most of europe, including romania yes.
mircea_popescu: but there's still a version of precedent used, just... differently.
jcpham: smickles you got your license on my birthday
jcpham: you don't have to thank me though
nyRednek: iirc, doe v bolton, 1973
smickles: jcpham: It will foever be known as jcpham day in the company by-laws
jcpham: hahaha
smickles: also, there's no business license yet, the company had to be formed before it could see one of those
smickles: there's a federal tax id tho
smickles: s/see/seek/
jcpham: cool beans
mod6: nice smickles!
mod6: (on the LLC)
nyRednek: sorry, it was row v wade, 1973
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mircea_popescu: heh you mean that wasn't just bait ?
smickles: mod6: thanks :)
smickles: nyRednek: that's privacy extending from property rights tho, isn't it?
nyRednek: smickles, i believe, so
nyRednek: smickles, the 14th amendment was referenced, so maybe not
nyRednek: the 14th amendment deals mainly with citizenship
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smickles: "nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law"
smickles: it specifically says property tho
mircea_popescu: http://i.imgur.com/3zWPK.jpg
mircea_popescu: this is rich
smickles: mircea_popescu: the department of homland security suggests that you uninstall and not use java
mircea_popescu: why thanks very much to the dept of who the fuck asked them
smickles: nyRednek: so my view of it from that perspective is that you only have privacy in so much as the state isn't allowed to do things why render your ownership of property meaningless
mircea_popescu: are they coming up with those booklets on spouse selection already ?
jcpham: oh wait i can select another spouse
jcpham: or an additional spouse
jcpham: do i get to share than revenue stream also?
nyRednek: smickles, also, katz v united states, 1967
nyRednek: regarding unwarranted wiretapping
nyRednek: referencing 4th and 5th amendments
mircea_popescu: jcpham surely
nyRednek: smickles, also, right to privacy preventing illegal search/seizure, and self-incrimination
nyRednek: smickles, i'm thinking it's more the liberty thing...the state is depriving you of liberty by snooping on you(privacy is a safeguard of free speech)
nyRednek: the security issues regarding java have been many, so i tend to agree with OHS on this one
mircea_popescu: nyRednek the point is the homeland security thing has no business discussing this, or pretty much any other matter.
mircea_popescu: their job is pretty much getting tsa dismantled already and then going away in the sunset.
nyRednek: mircea_popescu, OSA is a large and wide-reaching organization...this is very much their business
nyRednek: OHS, rather
nyRednek: too many three letter names
mircea_popescu: right, it works in practice as a sort of soviet commisariat of the people's soviets bla bla
nyRednek: tsa is just one of their subordinate agencies
mircea_popescu: but it's mandate legally is exactly that : to dismantle the tsa and go away.
nyRednek: the fbi is another of their subordinate agencies
nyRednek: so is ice
nyRednek: its mandate is much more than dismantle tsa
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mircea_popescu: really sad to watch (from a safe distance, blesfully) what's happening to that country.
nyRednek: here's the sad thing to watch...the US is the world's largest economy...if it falls, how well do you think the EU or the PRC will do in the ashes?
nyRednek: i mean the ashes of what used to be the US's GDP
mircea_popescu: it's neither the world's largest economy
mircea_popescu: nor actually providing anything of value
mircea_popescu: the world won't notice.
mircea_popescu: the delusions to the contrary are actually part of the "sad".
nyRednek: the US has the world's largest GDP, and nations such as PRC depend on consumption by US
dub: does dhs know that java is patched?
mircea_popescu: this is nonsense
mircea_popescu: no producer "depends" on consumption by anyone.
dub: or is it a case of sun fucked up one too many times and are written off
mircea_popescu: dub they just wish to opine.
thestringpuller: sun is dead
nyRednek: mircea_popescu, actually, producers need consumers to buy products
mircea_popescu: and isn't dhs the dept of welfare i mean human services ?
dub: oracle w/e
nyRednek: mircea_popescu, it's backwards to think otherwise
mircea_popescu: nyRednek that's nonsense. producers need noone
mircea_popescu: consumers need producers.
iz: dub: it's not really patched
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: comsumes women thus he needs mothers
iz: so far they have released 2 different "patches" that "fix" the same vuln, but not really
mircea_popescu: iz 3rds a charm
iz: haha
nyRednek: mircea_popescu, let's put it this way, kodak failed because...?
mircea_popescu: because it wasn't producing anything.
nyRednek: mircea_popescu, they produced a lot of film and cameras...
nyRednek: mircea_popescu, that's not true
mircea_popescu: no. they produced a lot of useless junk.
mircea_popescu: course it's true.
iz: also, if you consider the EU as it's own entity, it's got greater GDP than USA, right?
jcpham: kodak is a much more interesting beast
mircea_popescu: if you make a huge company "producing" "art" you will fail too
nyRednek: iz, not yet, it doesn't
iz: nyRednek: look at the numbers for 2011
mircea_popescu: iz if you discount imaginary/funny money
mircea_popescu: the us is about on par with pakistan atm.
mircea_popescu: per capita income in the 100-1000 range.
nyRednek: iz, well, as of 2010 it wasn't, let me check
mircea_popescu: and for that matter, i too can write 10000000000000000 dollah on pieces of paper and trade it back and forth with the girls
iz: nyRednek: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)
mircea_popescu: that won't make my harem the world's largest economy
iz: here's a listing per capita (for all ranges) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita
nyRednek: iz, by 2.6 quadrillion, yep, the EU has surpassed the US
nyRednek: iz, you're right...well, the SECOND largest world economy
iz: whoops, i meant this one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)_per_capita
mircea_popescu: soon to be the tenth.
iz: mircea_popescu: great, maybe finally we won't be too big to fail
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iz: and we can pull an iceland
nyRednek: guys, let me know when mircea_popescu stops talking out of its ass so i can unignore
mircea_popescu: i'd be willing to take bets that by 2015 the us economy will actually be smaller than germany's economy.
mircea_popescu: sadly there's no actual way to measure.
iz: mircea_popescu: yeah, cuz the germans use metric and the us doesn't :b
mircea_popescu: key element :D
mircea_popescu: but i am kinda amused at the newb krugerite coming here and giving me advice about mpex and then getting offended when i don't happen to share his ignorance of economy.
mircea_popescu: this incidentally is exactly why i wouldn't buy the whole us for five bitcoins right now : pretty much made up entirely of this sort of stupid.
mircea_popescu: sure, there's exception. too much molasses around them to have a chance.
thestringpuller: cynical much?
mircea_popescu: kinda, yeah.
nyRednek: sorry, 2.6 trillion
nyRednek: iz, as far as it goes, though, one of the top four players fall, the whole world suffers...
dub: literally pocket change
kakobrekla: the more the world goes to shit, the better for bitcoin
nyRednek: so the us dollar and the euro are pretty critical to gobal economic health
iz: yeah, i'd tend to agree
nyRednek: global
iz: that's why iceland was able to do what they did.. just ignore all the debt, right?
iz: because they weren't in the top 3-4, they can do that and everyone else just absorbs the costs
mircea_popescu: iz i guess mostly cause they were small.
iz: exactly
mircea_popescu: and people didn;t want to argue with them for the obvious reason of publicity.
mircea_popescu: ie, others may see they actually have a point.
iz: i hate it when ppl try to argue with me that the US should have just followed iceland's lead and let all the banks fail instead of bailing them out
mircea_popescu: why ?
mircea_popescu: i happen to think the same thing.
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mircea_popescu: course, this in retrospect.
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mircea_popescu: i can see why they tried, at the time, and why they couldn't stop, after they tried.
thestringpuller: too big to fail
iz: really? well, it seems to me like that's something that only countries w/ small economies can do
mircea_popescu: so it's not really a "should have". more like a, that'd have been retrospectively the correct path
mircea_popescu: iz why ?
iz: because someone has to foot the bill
iz: and it ends up being all the other contries that participate in the world economy, right?
mircea_popescu: it's just ego. no us politician can actually man up and say "listen, we fucked up. we were wriong.
mircea_popescu: welfare does not work, what we were trying to build doesn't work
mircea_popescu: you are all lazy bums and thieves,
iz: if the biggest country tries to do this, they rest of they can't absorb that much loss that quickly
mircea_popescu: and if given a chance you will steal and idle rather than do somethinguseful
mircea_popescu: and in any case you're too stupid by now to do anything useful anyway"
mircea_popescu: and that's that.
mircea_popescu: salaries go back to the economically warranted 5-600 usd a year
jcpham: http://www.whitehouse.gov/issues/preventing-gun-violence
jcpham: conspiracy
mircea_popescu: people learn to live off rice and beans
mircea_popescu: rents go back towhat they are in the 3rd world and so on.
jcpham: no way the gubment can code this well this fast
jcpham: conspiracy
iz: mircea_popescu: i think it would affect the world economy too much
jcpham: that page is fucking sick though
iz: iceland could get away w/ it b/c they were small
mircea_popescu: iz : there is no "too much". it is what it is.
dub: protip: the "world eceomony" has like 10 years left anyway
mircea_popescu: take the pill and pay the dues.
iz: i don't understand why you say there isn't a "too much"
mircea_popescu: because there isn't.
dub: after that its back to eating each other
mircea_popescu: there is literally no limit to human suffering and hardship. none.
mircea_popescu: so, let it go back to where it has to go, rather than try and pretend for a coupl;a more years
iz: if a country wants to say "we fucked up, but we aren't going to pay our debts.. everyone else just absorb those costs and we're going to start over.. like country bankruptcy
mircea_popescu: that's not the deal.
mircea_popescu: it's we fucked up, we own nothing now
mircea_popescu: maybe we'll just all become indentured servants
mircea_popescu: or just starve
dub: MIT forcast it in the '70s and we have been tracking perfectly
iz: is that what iceland did too?
mircea_popescu: we'll see how generous you are
iz: i thought they just said we don't owe anything
iz: sorry for investing all your money in our banks
iz: but you guys all lost out too
iz: and we're starting over now
mircea_popescu: the two aren't distinct really.
iz: we all lost, but it happens.. restart now
iz: is my understanding incorrect re: iceland?
mircea_popescu: i don't think so.
mircea_popescu: as far as i understand, the iceland thing was simply : banks are a private issue, the state does not back banks. figure it out.
iz: cool
iz: yeah
iz: that's what i thought also
mircea_popescu: ok. that doesn't translate to what you said
iz: so yeah.. i think they can only get away with that because they were so small relative to the rest of the world economy
mircea_popescu: they can get away with it because the gap between their real gdp and their nominal gdp was small
mircea_popescu: in the us the difference is more like 9x%
iz: if one of the largest world economies tried to do what iceland did, i think it would cause worldwide economical harm
mircea_popescu: no.
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mircea_popescu: it would just force a much more unpalatable "taking down a notch"
iz: hmm.. okay, i think i'm understanding what you're saying
mircea_popescu: here's the thing :
mircea_popescu: the average american citizen uses up about 20k worth of resources a year.
mircea_popescu: he produces something like 500 to 1k.
mircea_popescu: that's a 90ish % loss.
mircea_popescu: if you stop pretending like what they're doing is useful,
dub: is that like maff and fings
mircea_popescu: you're forced to adjust their income to the real level.
dub: this is bitcoin
mircea_popescu: making us average salari about 400 bucks ? a year that is.
dub: nyRednek: chinese factory workers are used to losing all their miney overnight though
dub: money*
mircea_popescu: now, the average american trying to live on 400 bucks a year would be a funny sight indeed.
mircea_popescu: but the world economy couldn't care less.
dub: nyRednek: good
dub: drastic reduction in the number of americans would go a long way to solving the problem
iz: but how would the us maintain their obesity record?
mircea_popescu: i don't see how. donner party patent method maybe ?
dub: you're only delaying it as of now
mircea_popescu: now, understandably the political decision was made that this wouldn't be acceptable. but this is a purely internal affair of the us. i can sorta see why they thought this too :
mircea_popescu: if they keep it going for just a little longer the top people can finish getting out
dub: nyRednek: the problem with your economy not actually being one
iz: haha
dub: nyRednek: sorry I thought that was the subject
mircea_popescu: but otherwise, it's the same as any imploding rogue state.
iz: hunting w/ automatic assult rifles
dub: nyRednek: no, not actually being an economy
iz: real answer though, as a hunter you realize there's not enough animals to sustain the population
dub: its a sick joke/debt ponzi
iz: maybe hunting the most dangerous game for soylent green
dub: iz nailed it
iz: nyRednek: can't hunt the animals that aren't there because they've already been over hunted
dub: nyRednek also nailed the actual problem
iz: yeah, the real problem with food is water and ancient aquifirs
iz: that's true
mircea_popescu: CoinURL ceases its operation
dub: whats coinurl?
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=136900.0
iz: ah yes... the prized nosegopher
iz: good eating
kakobrekla: >> Unluckily, as you could guess, hosting company decided to terminate my account as it is not just worth for them anymore.
kakobrekla: LOLWTF
kakobrekla: no, i could not guess THAT
dub: mircea_popescu: lol 'derp'
kakobrekla: commentig coinurl
dub: turns out bitcoiners don't spend money (because mom doesn't give them enough)
kakobrekla: i dunno what the deal was but it ready just wrong
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2012/coinurl-a-bitcoin-advertising-service/ for the lulz.
kakobrekla: i have a friend with a whole bladecenter intalled for some tiny change cause hosting co made a lousy contract
mircea_popescu: "There are many options. Delisting and telling everyone to just fuck off is exactly what can be expected form a narcissistic fucktard like Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: Why not halt the trading for start and provide a way to work this out between investors and those thieving scumbags at BitVPS."
mircea_popescu: this guy is kinda stupid is he ?!
dub: dude
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jurov: lol, bitvps kicked coinurl
kakobrekla: what
kakobrekla: lol r u srs
kakobrekla: you just dont do that.
mircea_popescu: jurov srsly ?!
jurov: yes, they were in the same datacenter as me, same balckout
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 8750 @ 0.0047 = 41.125 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: oh no bad bvps press
kakobrekla: meh srsly you get a top notch root server for 50euros a month
jurov: sorry i mixed it up
jurov: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=131922.msg1414370#msg1414370
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller there is btc press ?
jurov: it was operationfabulous , another ad network
jurov: yes, something called trilema
mircea_popescu: what ?
jurov: you know that thing with porn syndication
jurov: that's the bitcoin press :P
mircea_popescu: i heard that name somehow before!
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 613 @ 0.0047 = 2.8811 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 14.64351, Best ask: 14.69999, Bid-ask spread: 0.05648, Last trade: 14.69999, 24 hour volume: 45851.62111428, 24 hour low: 14.21001, 24 hour high: 14.75000, 24 hour vwap: 14.52390
mircea_popescu: o wow. 15 ?
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 7 @ 0.43 = 3.01 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/83/s-dice-down-to-0-003xx-per-share-feb-11/
mircea_popescu: this one looks sweet
mircea_popescu: hmm, anyone here with a btctc account ?
jcpham: ;;asks 25
gribble: There are currently 49313.389 bitcoins offered at or under 25.0 USD, worth 878896.357055 USD in total.
dub: time for a crash
jcpham: not a lot of volume to 25
mircea_popescu: ;;bids 10
gribble: There are currently 97005.469 bitcoins demanded at or over 10.0 USD, worth 1252122.45239 USD in total.
jcpham: i doubt it'll happen but that's interesting
mircea_popescu: i think a runup much more likely.
jcpham: oh yeah for sure
jcpham: i expected more when i picked an arbitrarily high number
mircea_popescu: ya seems incredibly sparse.
jcpham: http://blog.dwolla.com/person-to-person-for-banks-in-a-line-of-code/
jcpham: i like dwolla at first, now meh
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.43 = 0.86 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9293 @ 0.00065893 = 6.1234 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6183 @ 0.00065305 = 4.0378 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 25 @ 0.0064 = 0.16 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: sorta like linode.
mircea_popescu: so nobody has a btctc account ?
mircea_popescu: omfg are these people insane ? curl unencrypted ?
mircea_popescu: suppose i eavesdrop it and repeat.
kakobrekla: its a post over https
kakobrekla: not ideal
kakobrekla: but not plaintxt
mircea_popescu: well no, not plaintext but omfg
jcpham: cutting edge
mircea_popescu: i suppose they periodicly audit make sure no ex-linode employe is running a promiscuous sniffer anywhere on their network.
mircea_popescu: anyway. anyone here want to pick up that coinurl thing and run it sanely ?
thestringpuller: jcpham: that looks just like simplepay or what was doing with the https curl command
thestringpuller: *waves hand*
thestringpuller: i will buy it for 1 bitcoin
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 420 @ 0.01 = 4.2 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: "Our case
mircea_popescu: study used a cognitive walkthrough analysis together
mircea_popescu: with a laboratory user test to evaluate whether PGP 5.0
mircea_popescu: can be successfully used by cryptography novices to
mircea_popescu: achieve effective electronic mail security. The analysis
mircea_popescu: found a number of user interface design flaws that may
mircea_popescu: contribute to security failures, and the user test
mircea_popescu: demonstrated that when our test participants were given
mircea_popescu: 90 minutes in which to sign and encrypt a message
mircea_popescu: using PGP 5.0, the majority of them were unable to do
mircea_popescu: so successfully. "
kakobrekla: lol
mircea_popescu: my results are strangely better than that.
mircea_popescu: i guess self selected scope ?
kakobrekla: where is this from
mircea_popescu: a study im reading
mircea_popescu: Alma Whitten / Carnegie Mellon University. Why Johnny Can’t Encrypt:A Usability Evaluation of PGP 5.0
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 851 @ 0.00538507 = 4.5827 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00539131 = 5.3913 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: jcpham: Dwolla's code isn't this bad http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5026802
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14717 @ 0.00065305 = 9.6109 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4383 @ 0.00065302 = 2.8622 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: "You guys are fantastic. You documentation is clear. The fact that you all live on the IRC channels makes obtaining information and help super simple."
mircea_popescu: im going to go troll balanced payments irc channel nao
mircea_popescu: anyone with me ?
mircea_popescu: its #balanced ftr
thestringpuller: is having an irc channel the hip thing to do?
mircea_popescu: certainly.
kakobrekla: well, we have one.
thestringpuller: i thought it was about having a usenet group
thestringpuller: i thought that was the cool thing these days
thestringpuller: LOL
thestringpuller: 20:47 < ajsharp> i can't tell if you're trolling or not
mircea_popescu: i wasn't even ;/
thestringpuller: look at that guys: https://github.com/balanced/balanced-api/issues/204 they have someeone who wanted to add bitcoin
thestringpuller: Each of Balanced.s customers is a potential Bitcoin merchant. Zaarly is using Balanced to provide payments handling for its peer-to-peer task market. Instead of Zaarly having to build its own, it can used Balanced.s API. With Bitcoin there is a little different flow. You can.t pull funds from a Bitcoin user. Bitcoin is push only. But Balanced also handles the payout component. And that is a push transaction. Bal
thestringpuller: But Balanced shows what is needed by the marketplace . a path that a Bitcoin variant could follow. Balanced is offered in the U.S. only. A bitcoin-variant could operate globally.
mircea_popescu: so basically... "we don't know, and don't wanna talk about it"
mircea_popescu: a well.
thestringpuller: the github issue has some answers
mircea_popescu: im reading it nao
mircea_popescu: there's absolutel;y nothing there.
mircea_popescu: i'm sorry, but on the balance of this assesment balancedpayments is worth ~0, inflation adjusted.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: simple.com
dub: u gais are famous https://www.balancedpayments.com/help
mircea_popescu: look at me ma, i'm on an obscure start-up site! it won't go anywhere!
dub: good arb op there eh?
dub: [21:19] <bitcoinRT> Jan17 02:18:34 mtgox x194 3,924.8646 @ 14.83496831 USD
dub: [21:19] <bitcoinRT> Jan17 02:18:34 mtgox x229 3,999.9658 @ 14.42321997 AUD
mircea_popescu: what's bitcoinrt ?
thestringpuller: ;;later tell Bugpowder looks like people are putting basic point spread bets on bitbet now
gribble: The operation succeeded.
dub: gox ticker
dub: websocket pipe whatever
mircea_popescu: i guess, if anyone is ready to close aud-usd circuit
dub: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 14.78900, Best ask: 14.84339, Bid-ask spread: 0.05439, Last trade: 14.78900, 24 hour volume: 48112.84457123, 24 hour low: 14.21001, 24 hour high: 14.92000, 24 hour vwap: 14.57203
thestringpuller: http://blockbet.net - here come the pseudo-clones
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 250 @ 0.00574528 = 1.4363 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller there have been like... i think a dozen since the ipo
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 14.90001, Best ask: 14.91999, Bid-ask spread: 0.01998, Last trade: 14.91999, 24 hour volume: 48305.04798786, 24 hour low: 14.21001, 24 hour high: 14.92000, 24 hour vwap: 14.57849
mircea_popescu: definitely 15 tonight.
mircea_popescu: ;;asks 15
gribble: There are currently 7912.5205 bitcoins offered at or under 15.0 USD, worth 118573.407675 USD in total.
thestringpuller: ;;bids 14.90
gribble: There are currently 0 bitcoins demanded at or over 14.9 USD, worth 0.0 USD in total.
thestringpuller: ;;bids 14.80
gribble: There are currently 180.31955 bitcoins demanded at or over 14.8 USD, worth 2674.22552159 USD in total.
thestringpuller: ;;bids 14.85
gribble: There are currently 23.426751 bitcoins demanded at or over 14.85 USD, worth 349.058673438 USD in total.
kakobrekla: weekly forecast bet can be resolved early :)
mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/140/bitcoin-will-hit-15-before-february-1st/ ?
mircea_popescu: still not 15
kakobrekla: no, ziz one http://bitbet.us/bet/129/btc-usd-at-mtgox-will-stay-below-14-86-and/
kakobrekla: enky lost hehe
mircea_popescu: yee
error4733: any clue for the SD jump ?
kakobrekla: bbet ran out of shares so they went for second best
mircea_popescu: ahahaha
mircea_popescu: error4733 supply and demand i imagine.
mircea_popescu: seems in bitcoin demand is a sharply increasing inverse of supply.
mircea_popescu: in retrospect maybe not surprising, given the nature of the btc game.
kakobrekla: inverse supply you mean all the scams or the block reward drop?
kakobrekla: ;)
mircea_popescu: i mean the wider the supply, the lower the demand
mircea_popescu: but once supply dwindles demand explodes.
kakobrekla: isnt this same case as producers and consumers
mircea_popescu: sorta like childrend and toys. when nobody is playing nobody else wants to play. as toys become unavailable the desire to play increases
kakobrekla: :D
mircea_popescu: i guess it's like producers and consumers in a strange market
error4733: same for my wife
mircea_popescu: lol she in demand when you want her and idle otherwise ?
error4733: she's not involved
error4733: :D
mircea_popescu: :p
kakobrekla: yeah fuckin hoarding non-toy-sharing kids
error4733: if SD up to 0.006 and btc hit 15$ i almost double my invest in 2 weeks
error4733: insane
kakobrekla: dun worry is a ponzee
mircea_popescu: error4733 someone was publishing his portofolio graph earlier and it looked quite exponential
kakobrekla: also
kakobrekla: pirate paid
kakobrekla: yesterday!
mircea_popescu: whom ?
kakobrekla: aww cmon, recognize the meme
kakobrekla: :p
mircea_popescu: lol deadpan
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 14.91002, Best ask: 14.92000, Bid-ask spread: 0.00998, Last trade: 14.91002, 24 hour volume: 47727.52297059, 24 hour low: 14.21001, 24 hour high: 14.92000, 24 hour vwap: 14.58642
Diablo-D3: heh, we're reaching 15
mircea_popescu: 50 cents off the vwap, that's pretty strong action.
Diablo-D3: yeah
Diablo-D3: the market needs to pause for awhile to keep us at this level
Diablo-D3: I dont want to see another $30 spike and crash
Diablo-D3: thats not useful for the longterm viability of bitcoins
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C110T] 1000 @ 0.31226848 = 312.2685 BTC [+]
error4733: not the same input for this raise
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C120T] 1000 @ 0.24364587 = 243.6459 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: error4733: but it can be
Diablo-D3: the $30 spike was panic buying
Diablo-D3: theres no reason that cant be repeated
mircea_popescu: Diablo-D3 im not so sure it matters by now.
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: well, I'd like to see us at $100 perm
mircea_popescu: i think 2013 will prolly do that.
Diablo-D3: well, what Im saying is, we need a firm foundation to continue building on
error4733: well i have a bet wit ha friend, BTC double this year
error4733: 28$ before 1 JAN 2104
mircea_popescu: prolly pretty safe bet.
Diablo-D3: error4733: high or year end?
Diablo-D3: because we'll likely see a $28 high
Diablo-D3: but a 50/50 chance of $28 or higher becoming the new norm
error4733: no 28 or more stable price
error4733: more than 1 week
error4733: 95% risk is the user
error4733: mircea_popescu : u think $100 can be possible until the end of the year ?
mircea_popescu: i think it fairly likely.
Diablo-D3: nyRednek: we tried that
Diablo-D3: it didnt go well
error4733: so the usage will increase for 500% with the same supply ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1845 @ 0.00066525 = 1.2274 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: error4733 once people will come to terms with the failure of "asic projects"
mircea_popescu: they will cover buying bitcoin
Diablo-D3: you're in #bitcoin-assets and dont know we've already had publicly owned companies?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4698 @ 0.00066544 = 3.1262 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: (which is what they should have done in the first place)
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: except both avalon and asicminer should be done soon
error4733: *popcorn*
mircea_popescu: conspicuously absent from that list, bfl Diablo-D3 :p
Diablo-D3: Im surprised basic was a failure
Diablo-D3: was it a scam or did they just fail?
mircea_popescu: i'm not surprised
error4733: this ASIC epic fail
mircea_popescu: i don't think it was started as a scam. just, no skills.
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: so just fail
Diablo-D3: that sfine
error4733: maybe BFL but all the others as well ?
Diablo-D3: companies can fail
Diablo-D3: its the outright scams I think we need to deal with
Diablo-D3: like bfl
error4733: how many dev in the world work on this tech
mircea_popescu: i don't think anyone actually has the resources to do asics. people like to dream, and then they sometimes get confused.
mircea_popescu: error4733 maybe half a dozen on the core and a few hundred on peripherals ?
Diablo-D3: error4733: on what tech? chip design in general?
error4733: look good on paper
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: doing asics is easy
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: it just costs money
Diablo-D3: remember, neither asicminer nor avalon made their sha256 cores
Diablo-D3: they used existing ones and spammed it on the chip
mircea_popescu: yeah.
mircea_popescu: that's the way to go, at their level.
mircea_popescu: still, it has its problems.
Diablo-D3: it works mostly
smickles: nyRednek: mpbor isn't really a bond tho
Diablo-D3: they just had to have the output cascade designed right
mircea_popescu: depends what luck you have with resonance.
Diablo-D3: which really isnt that hard
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: yes, those fucking design tools are blaaaaaargh
mircea_popescu: right. the problem with the "spam a core on chip" approach is that design cost is minimal
mircea_popescu: prototype cost is huge
Diablo-D3: yeah
Diablo-D3: and what we're looking at IS the prototype
mircea_popescu: meanwhile i've been asking questions, i know of a case where they did 54 prototypes
mircea_popescu: before they got a set that was resonance free
mircea_popescu: then they re-ran it
mircea_popescu: AND IT DIDNT WORK
Diablo-D3: yeah, shit like that happens
error4733: :D
Diablo-D3: asicminer already said their chips passed functionality tests
smickles: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 14.81200, Best ask: 14.89900, Bid-ask spread: 0.08700, Last trade: 14.89959, 24 hour volume: 47066.51104494, 24 hour low: 14.21404, 24 hour high: 14.92000, 24 hour vwap: 14.59850
Diablo-D3: so hopefully at least one of the 4 wins
mircea_popescu: at any rate, from a purely macro perspective,
error4733: cant wait haha, this is huuuge
mircea_popescu: as either cost of asic or losses from asic become monetized btc will have to go up
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6002 @ 0.00066544 = 3.994 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9354 @ 0.00066568 = 6.2268 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: exactly
Diablo-D3: no matter what, the work was done
Diablo-D3: look at the silicon valley for example
Diablo-D3: one of the biggest startup communities in the world
Diablo-D3: if not THE biggest
mircea_popescu: i think "the milk was spilleD" is more apt a comparison but anyway :p
Diablo-D3: they fail more than not
Diablo-D3: but it produces an amazingly thriving economy
mircea_popescu: there's no problem with failure per se.
Diablo-D3: even when the companies fail, it produces more economic output than went in
mircea_popescu: the thing is we need to move away from cablepair and lambert type of failures to more economically tolerable types of failure
Diablo-D3: yeah
Diablo-D3: failure to mvp instead of outright scam or just wishful thinking
Diablo-D3: basic is more than wishful thinking but below mvp
Diablo-D3: imo anyways
mircea_popescu: to our advantage the silicon valley world is slowly moving towards a pure circus act.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2012/lets-have-fun-with-paul-graham/#comment-91400
mircea_popescu: look at that.
Garr255_Lappy: Check it out! Own a part of a 3d printer! CREATE on [BTC-TC] https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=136953.0
Diablo-D3: nyRednek: I tried getting a company to take off
Diablo-D3: my first attempt was a failure because the stock exchange owner backstabbed everyone
Diablo-D3: nyRednek: so Im in the middle of cleaning that up and going for another attempt
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: before I click, is that pro pg or anti pg?
mircea_popescu: anti.
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: pg isnt the big bad though
mircea_popescu: tho it's a moot point, it just documents their most recent blunder
Diablo-D3: although I wish people would quit worshipping him
mircea_popescu: i don't think he's the big bad either.
Diablo-D3: the problem with the silicon valley atm is the mvp achievements
mircea_popescu: the showmanship is the problem.
Diablo-D3: whoever produces the smallest lightest easiest mvp wins
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: exactly
mircea_popescu: in their constant quest for "insight" about companies they kept going into sidechannels
Diablo-D3: nyRednek: minimum viable product
mircea_popescu: by now all they're doing is comparing which "team" has the weirdest approach to stand-up
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: basically yes
mircea_popescu: ya well it's stupid.
Diablo-D3: they're starting to feedback into themselves weirdly
Diablo-D3: like, whowever has the most unique weirdest circus act wins
mircea_popescu: i don't pick girls by the criterion "largest tit most exposed"
Diablo-D3: its like a competition of The Aristocrats
mircea_popescu: if i did, i'd have an excuse. unlike them.
mircea_popescu: yeah.
Diablo-D3: nyRednek: nope
Diablo-D3: profit ISNT the number one goal
Diablo-D3: long term value is
mircea_popescu: jesus you've been studying ?
Diablo-D3: nyRednek: not always
Diablo-D3: there are companies that hold massive assets that have pretty shitty cash flow
Diablo-D3: they're not horrible companies, just maybe mediocre corporate leadership
Bugpowder: nyRednek Be careful, if you hang out here much longer you will end up owning some bitcoin securities
Diablo-D3: the cash flow is positive, dont get me wrong, its just not that far from zero
Diablo-D3: constant cashflow is better than large profits
smickles: hmm
Bugpowder: mmm the new pympex is great
Bugpowder: the interface I deserve
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: btw, what do you mean studying?
Bugpowder: lol
Bugpowder: elance is f'ing amazing
mircea_popescu: Diablo-D3 you know, books.
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder o ?
Bugpowder: I can hire an awesome pakistani programmer
Bugpowder: for $20/hr
Bugpowder: to do my bidding
mircea_popescu: cool huh.
mircea_popescu: better than webcams, imo.
Bugpowder: and you get screen caps every 10 minutes
Bugpowder: yeah I could pay less but this is a bit tricky job
mircea_popescu: incidentally, read the code
mircea_popescu: better discover keyloggers early than late.
Bugpowder: ha
Bugpowder: CSV isn't hiding much
Bugpowder: I just need data collected
mircea_popescu: a
Bugpowder: from things that require mouseover ajax calls
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: its not like securities are a new thing for me
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: Ive been laughing at wall street since I was a kid
Diablo-D3: it never made sense to me because it all looked like a giant ponzi
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: and over the past, oh, 5 years or so, Ive learned why it never made sense, it really is just a giant scam
mircea_popescu: well, it's a good point nonetheless.
mircea_popescu: it has been kinda scammy since about 2nd bush term.
Diablo-D3: its been kinda scammy since the 70s
Diablo-D3: before I was born
Diablo-D3: and various long term shit has been going on since before ww2
mircea_popescu: i kinda liked it in the 90s.
Diablo-D3: before the dotcom bust?
mircea_popescu: nah, late 90s
Diablo-D3: during the recovery?
mircea_popescu: during the bust.
Diablo-D3: ahh
Diablo-D3: there was lots of money to be made from that
mircea_popescu: for some reason it's easier for me to pick companies that will fail than ones that will succeed.
Diablo-D3: I know people who made money during the bubble, and then lost it when it popped; made it and kept it; and then made it DURING the pop
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: weird
mircea_popescu: possibly because i'm an asshole.
Diablo-D3: I have trouble picking companies that will fail
mircea_popescu: that's ok, you don't need to pick em, you make em :D
Diablo-D3: I think my selection criteria of safe bets is too conservative
Diablo-D3: hurrrrr
mircea_popescu: mwahaha'
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: like I said, I had lots of community help on that one
Bugpowder: bust started with MSTR
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: everyone got to walk away with a sore asshole after the GLBSE bust
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder to this day i didn't understand what microstrategy was making.
Bugpowder: business intelligence
Bugpowder: they are still around
Diablo-D3: what the fuck does that even mean
Bugpowder: pretty big
Bugpowder: Like using algorithms to optimize internal shit
Diablo-D3: thats insane
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder no, srsly ? using algorithms to optimize internal shit ?
Bugpowder: insane?
Diablo-D3: as a programmer and as someone who views both the law and business as domain specific languages, thats insane
Bugpowder: He lost 15 billion in the bust
Bugpowder: Sailor
Bugpowder: saylor
Diablo-D3: yeah, when you lose 15 billion, the money didnt even really exist
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: back me up about the insanity part
mircea_popescu: when you have 15bn you don't have that money.
mircea_popescu: Diablo-D3 i dunno either way. i still don't really comprehend what they did.
mircea_popescu: it's somewhere between "dressing up mathlab for idiots" and "conversations with aliens and spirits of the departed"
Diablo-D3: yes, but both of those ARE valid business models
mircea_popescu: well the aliens part at least.
mircea_popescu: VerizOrion
Bugpowder: still doing ok i guess
Bugpowder: http://fortunebrainstormtech.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/michael_saylor_yacht_friends.jpg
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder seems kinda crowded :D
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.421 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.42 = 0.84 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 20 @ 0.411 = 8.22 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.411 = 0.822 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.4459 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: so... nobody with a btctc account ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8400 @ 0.00066568 = 5.5917 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22000 @ 0.00066568 = 14.645 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: Anyone else notice that there has be some semi-whale like action on s.dice tonight?
Bugpowder: http://satoshidice.com/lookup.php?tx=&limit=100&min_bet=10&status=ALL
Bugpowder: couple 100s, a 250
mircea_popescu: semi-whale lol
mircea_popescu: what, only 100k bet or something ?
Bugpowder: nah
Bugpowder: nothing that big
error4733: good, SD run under EV for one week
Bugpowder: yeah, SDICE up 1300 in the last 100 bets over 10
error4733: wait
error4733: where do u see that
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C120T] 1000 @ 0.24450216 = 244.5022 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C110T] 1000 @ 0.31321887 = 313.2189 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 14.85109, Best ask: 14.89897, Bid-ask spread: 0.04788, Last trade: 14.89897, 24 hour volume: 45268.43294958, 24 hour low: 14.35600, 24 hour high: 14.92000, 24 hour vwap: 14.62078
mircea_popescu: !ticker m c11ot
assbot: I don't give a shit who saw what and who did what or who did who.
mircea_popescu: !ticker m c110t
assbot: Um, shouldn't you be with your own tribe or somethin'?
mircea_popescu: !ticker m o.btcusd.c110t
assbot: [MPEX:O.BTCUSD.C110T] 1D: 0.31226848 / 0.31274367 / 0.31321887 (2000 shares, 625.49 BTC), 7D: 0.21996239 / 0.28818392 / 0.31321887 (2720 shares, 783.86 BTC), 30D: 0.16843117 / 0.25993706 / 0.31321887 (10665 shares, 2,772.23 BTC)
Bugpowder: Please let this bill pass
Bugpowder: http://lofgren.house.gov/images/stories/pdf/draft%20lofgren%20bill%20to%20exclude%20terms%20of%20service%20violations%20from%20cfaa%20%20wre%20fraud%20011513.pdf
Bugpowder: error4733 on my google doc importer
Bugpowder: Try this line
Bugpowder: =ImportHtml("http://satoshidice.com/lookup.php?tx=&limit=1000&min_bet=10&status=ALL","table",0)
Bugpowder: in the first cell of a google spreadsheet
Bugpowder: then you can build your own analysis around it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9646 @ 0.00066568 = 6.4211 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7700 @ 0.00066642 = 5.1314 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 254 @ 0.0006698 = 0.1701 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4206 @ 0.00066482 = 2.7962 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3594 @ 0.00065882 = 2.3678 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder who sponsored that ?
Bugpowder: http://lofgren.house.gov
Bugpowder: "Aaron's law"
mircea_popescu: pretty good.
Bugpowder: Let the scraping commence!
Bugpowder: Repping silicon valley
error4733: @bug : ok and ? some manip to do ?
Bugpowder: dude
mircea_popescu: http://lofgren.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=771:rep-zoe-lofgren-asks-reddit-users-to-crowdsource-legislative-proposals-on-domain-name-seizures&catid=22:112th-news&Itemid=161
mircea_popescu: also
Bugpowder: you can work a spreadsheet
mircea_popescu: anyway, that's all for me. catch you all laters!
Bugpowder: me 2
Bugpowder: later
Bugpowder: the upstreak continues!
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 14.85001, Best ask: 14.87999, Bid-ask spread: 0.02998, Last trade: 14.88000, 24 hour volume: 43785.59666564, 24 hour low: 14.42508, 24 hour high: 14.92000, 24 hour vwap: 14.66609
Diablo-D3: awaaaaaaaaAAaaaaAAAaaaAAaaAAAAAAAaaAAAAAAaaaAAaaAAaAAAy we gooooo
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 400 @ 0.005879 = 2.3516 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: jcpham smickles check it out : i'm getting sued! 1st rota case http://trilema.com/2013/case-i-wences-vs-mpex-breach-of-fiduciary-duty/
Diablo-D3: lolwat
mircea_popescu: yeah
mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jsj-37UrxeM
mircea_popescu: welcome to the 90s all over again
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1811 @ 0.00066217 = 1.1992 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8350 @ 0.00066194 = 5.5272 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7139 @ 0.00065987 = 4.7108 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18208 @ 0.00065987 = 12.0149 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5392 @ 0.00065943 = 3.5556 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8858 @ 0.00065943 = 5.8412 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12042 @ 0.0006592 = 7.9381 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 14.85117, Best ask: 14.91196, Bid-ask spread: 0.06079, Last trade: 14.91196, 24 hour volume: 46332.20423688, 24 hour low: 14.45000, 24 hour high: 14.92000, 24 hour vwap: 14.70084
mircea_popescu: http://i.imgur.com/V1gyt.jpg
mircea_popescu: http://siliconangle.com/blog/2013/01/15/bitcoinstore-plans-to-take-on-the-world-of-online-electronics-retail-with-btc/
mircea_popescu: seems this one is happening.
mircea_popescu: cool.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14650 @ 0.0006592 = 9.6573 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.00579708 = 2.8985 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 176 @ 0.00573305 = 1.009 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9278 @ 0.00066312 = 6.1524 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21150 @ 0.00066541 = 14.0734 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20509 @ 0.00066974 = 13.7357 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13868 @ 0.00067027 = 9.2953 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17250 @ 0.00067029 = 11.5625 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5750 @ 0.0006714 = 3.8606 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20450 @ 0.00067238 = 13.7502 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75000 @ 0.0006725 = 50.4375 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8674 @ 0.00067289 = 5.8366 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18071 @ 0.00067375 = 12.1753 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: !ticker m s.dice
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00473687 / 0.00503935 / 0.00598999 (145350 shares, 732.47 BTC), 7D: 0.00449034 / 0.00471101 / 0.00598999 (2616031 shares, 12,324.15 BTC), 30D: 0.0014 / 0.00372409 / 0.00598999 (11740066 shares, 43,721.16 BTC)
Bugpowder: Whales have returned
Bugpowder: http://satoshidice.com/lookup.php?tx=&limit=1000&min_bet=10&status=ALL
mircea_popescu: WIN 1000.67350000
mircea_popescu: on less thn 16k
mircea_popescu: 800.03870000 less than 8 wow
Bugpowder: In other news
Bugpowder: US jobless aid applications fall to 5-year low
Bugpowder: SP500 is gonna blow thru the 5 year high today
mircea_popescu: that's pretty bad news innit.
Bugpowder: no, unemployment
Bugpowder: apps down to 5 year low
Bugpowder: 335k
mircea_popescu: yes but that just means chronical unemployment is becoming unamangeable
mircea_popescu: these aren't people who found jobs.
Bugpowder: heh
Bugpowder: well
Bugpowder: There is roll off issues
mircea_popescu: there is something else ?
Bugpowder: hiring
mircea_popescu: i have my doubts about that.
mircea_popescu: other than govt and high skilled tech jobs there's no hiring.
mircea_popescu: govt is a pointless expense and high skilled techs have no business playing the employee anwyay
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 201 @ 0.00150005 = 0.3015 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: The C140Ts are the ugly duckling of the MPOE
Bugpowder: y u no buy?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7100 @ 0.0006647 = 4.7194 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: kinda weird how that works
mircea_popescu: peak volume at 11/12
Bugpowder: yeah
Bugpowder: like
mircea_popescu: you'd expect it to be centered atm
mircea_popescu: not 2 under
Bugpowder: arent the strike price options the highes leverage usually?
mircea_popescu: yeah
Bugpowder: I dunno how the spread effects that
Bugpowder: affect
mircea_popescu: i wonder if i have a pricing issue
Bugpowder: more likely people are non-rational
Bugpowder: buyers
mircea_popescu: then again... maybe person isn't into leverage
mircea_popescu: but some sort of particular hedging ?
Bugpowder: heyo!
Bugpowder: ;;ticker
mircea_popescu: attention ladies making millions in btc : http://polimedia.us/dtng/c/src/135842974497.jpg
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 14.95895, Best ask: 14.96000, Bid-ask spread: 0.00105, Last trade: 14.95895, 24 hour volume: 45073.86760974, 24 hour low: 14.45000, 24 hour high: 14.97000, 24 hour vwap: 14.72695
mircea_popescu: always wear panties when helicoptering.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00565991 = 5.6599 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2274 @ 0.00565992 = 12.8707 BTC [+]
pigeons: i don't know what's going on with this dice price
pigeons: !ticker m S.MPOE
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00064635 / 0.00066278 / 0.00067375 (780682 shares, 517.43 BTC), 7D: 0.00062769 / 0.00065893 / 0.00067375 (6816444 shares, 4,491.59 BTC), 30D: 0.00058738 / 0.00063911 / 0.00067375 (39841651 shares, 25,463.37 BTC)
Bugpowder: supply and demand dude
Bugpowder: also whale betting has resumed
pigeons: ok i don't know is going on with the demand for this dice
mircea_popescu: welcome to the clu
mircea_popescu: b
Bugpowder: What if the world economy had 1 company that made money
Bugpowder: big money
mircea_popescu: o btw pigeons , 1st rota case.
pigeons: oh?
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2013/case-i-wences-vs-mpex-breach-of-fiduciary-duty/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14000 @ 0.0006647 = 9.3058 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10450 @ 0.00067375 = 7.0407 BTC [+]
pigeons: OK then.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: did you mess up a deposit?
mircea_popescu: the op ddi.
pigeons: https://bitcoincaptcha.com/
mircea_popescu: is it "pay some satoshi here to display page" ?
pigeons: yes
pigeons: dusplays a qr code for that
kakobrekla: btw
kakobrekla: anyone uses these codes oftenly?
pigeons: also released a WP plugin so download this content via bitcoincapcha
pigeons: no
kakobrekla: seems like a dead tech mostly
pigeons: one day someone will think of a use haha
kakobrekla: :D
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla you mean qr codes ?
kakobrekla: xs
kakobrekla: ya
mircea_popescu: yeah.
mircea_popescu: i know there's people who use them to pass mpex stuff from cold to hot machine
kakobrekla: we are excluding thoese two people from the study
mircea_popescu: like a dozen you hater you
kakobrekla: :D:D
mircea_popescu: and i also plan to trampstamp my hos with qr codes
mircea_popescu: so i can more effectually keep track
kakobrekla: lol
kakobrekla: they are valid until pussy smells
mircea_popescu: ;/
mircea_popescu: ruined my appetite.
kakobrekla: aw sorry
pizzaman1337: kakobrekla: how's your EA going?
kakobrekla: pizzaman1337 i code and i code and i code
pizzaman1337: kakobrekla: do you profit and profit and profit too?
kakobrekla: :D
kakobrekla: yeah
kakobrekla: well
kakobrekla: i have some interesting stuff that im testing now
kakobrekla: wasnt souch a good month so far
kakobrekla: a bunch of bad entry points
kakobrekla: i fix.
kakobrekla: ;)
pizzaman1337: cool
kakobrekla: im trying to use critticall now
pizzaman1337: I'll be back to bit4x in a month or two probably, busy at the moment with other stuff
pigeons: here, plug bitcoin into this http://www.kk.org/thetechnium/archives/2013/01/ill_pay_you_to.php
kakobrekla: http://critticall.com/
pizzaman1337: interesting
kakobrekla: accually i know the person who made it :)
mircea_popescu: Amazon Kindles today already track bookmark usage patterns which they relay back to Amazon on via its wireless Whispernet.
mircea_popescu: fuck that shit
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: erm? its just cloud sync
mircea_popescu: dude reading is private
mircea_popescu: i don't want some idiots counting my page turns.
Diablo-D3: then... dont use kindles?
mircea_popescu: i don't.
Diablo-D3: dude
Diablo-D3: I can pick up a kindle
Diablo-D3: read
Diablo-D3: turn it off
Diablo-D3: then load up it on a different device
Diablo-D3: and continue reading where I left off
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3000 @ 0.00067374 = 2.0212 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: so ?
Diablo-D3: thats what syncing is.
Diablo-D3: its where multiple devices share the same state
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7679 @ 0.00067375 = 5.1737 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: then we're talking of diff things.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19089 @ 0.00067389 = 12.8639 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: EskimoBob: amazon has yet to enforce it on anyone
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8900 @ 0.00067439 = 6.0021 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: they cant seem to make a working DRM
Diablo-D3: I dont think they want to
Diablo-D3: its not hard
pigeons: i think the funny thing is one of the first books amazon literally took back after publisher isses even after folks had paid for it was "1984"
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: also bullshit. what the fuck "take back"
mircea_popescu: this crap needs to die. apple, amazon, the whole shebang.
mircea_popescu: electronic devices where the buyer isn't the root user should be illegal.
mircea_popescu: making them illegal will pretty much be mpex's largest lobby effort in the future, im pretty sure.
pigeons: funnier that that is i've literally often encountered people who actually think apple is like a humanitarian organization
mircea_popescu: ya, sure, in the sense the dutch slave transporters were humanitarians
pigeons: oh shit mpex gonna get political, sell sell
mircea_popescu: i never heard of a company that size which managed to avoid getting political.
pigeons: bfl is bigger and they ain't political </troll>
Diablo-D3: [09:54:49] <pigeons> i think the funny thing is one of the first books amazon literally took back after publisher isses even after folks had paid for it was "1984"
Diablo-D3: they also said thats not happening again
mircea_popescu: pigeons give them a little lol
Diablo-D3: they amended the licensing agreement with all the publishers that if they have to do that: too fucking bad
pigeons: praise bezos
Diablo-D3: the reason 1984 was recalled was because the publisher apparently didnt have the rights to publish it as an ebook
Diablo-D3: and amazon ended up replacing it anyhow
mircea_popescu: no! rabble! RABBLE!
pigeons: still funny
Diablo-D3: the problem was people lost any bookmarks and notes on the title
Diablo-D3: due to how amazon stores data in the kindle software
Diablo-D3: I mean, at least Amazon fixed it and put it place that it cant happen again
pigeons: thanks amazon-pr
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8850 @ 0.00067615 = 5.9839 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: pigeons: is it still pr if they actually fix it?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100 @ 0.00067827 = 0.0678 BTC [+]
pigeons: yes
mircea_popescu: Diablo-D3 quoth mpoe-pr : "pr is being right. packaging is secondary."
pigeons: or i'll kick you in the GoMaD_s
mircea_popescu: i guess she'd have been taken out and shot if she worked for anyone else
pigeons: Korbman: keep buying those S.DICE
Korbman: I'd love to. Anybody want to give me money?
pigeons: apparantly
pigeons: pigeon pass through only 4%, pm
kakobrekla: ill pass you through PPT (no association with pirate) for 4.20% only
Korbman: what's with all the .net, .split quits?
Korbman: I'm not familiar with that one
pigeons: it's the way the IRC protocol/network works
mircea_popescu: clients connect to servers. servers sometimes lose connections to each other
mircea_popescu: clients on either side of this split see clients on the other side as netsplit.
pigeons: that server and the users connected aren't reachable termporarily
pigeons: so terryww you manually joined a different server? Korbman was asking about netsplits
terryww: pigeons, what?
SomeoneWeird: they probably just reconnected
mircea_popescu: pigeons you can pick the server if you want to, just bypass the dns
SomeoneWeird: (the servers)
Korbman: Got it
Korbman: Googling helped as well of course
pigeons: yeah, i was demoing for Korbman how most will rejoin when the server sees the other servers, but terry was different
Korbman: yup, topace is back
Korbman: I imagine the other two will pop back soon as well
mircea_popescu: what happened here was that their server died, and this was reported first to the irc network and then to the clients linked to it.
mircea_popescu: they just saw their connection die and reloaded, ending up back on
Korbman: indeed
mircea_popescu: someone that understands mining care to comment on
mircea_popescu: "Unless I misunderstand something, having 1gb blocks would pose significant problems for pretty much all miners, and would not be necessarily trivial to handle on asics designed with 1mb/block assumptions in mind."
mircea_popescu: ?
kakobrekla: would need to check what comes out the GBH or whatever is called protocol
Guest14444: im back yes?
Schadenfreude: GBH? I only know GHB, it's an easy entry synthesis, kinda babby's first home-made drug
topace_: grr
kakobrekla: a sry
topace_: what was that a netsplit?
kakobrekla: its GBT
kakobrekla: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Getblocktemplate
mircea_popescu: getblocktemplate
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=131035.0
kakobrekla: the problem is downloading this this
kakobrekla: nothing else really
mircea_popescu: that's a good comparison i thought. bw is an important limiting factor for miners.
kakobrekla: this this = this shit
mircea_popescu: yeah
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.5 = 1.5 BTC [+]
topace_: with stratum bandwidth isnt an issue
topace_: i have 25GH running and it uses less than a 28.8 modem
Diablo-D3: heh, I should add stratum to diablominer
Diablo-D3: but meh =/
mircea_popescu: topace_ on 1mb capped blocks.
mircea_popescu: if they were 1gb that'd be more than a t1 ?
assbot: [BTCTC] [GOLD] 1 @ 1.1893 BTC [-]
Korbman: T1 is slow as shit, so probably
Diablo-D3: T1 is 1.544mbps
Diablo-D3: my DSL is approximately two those.
Korbman: Indeed
Diablo-D3: you know, when I was a kid
Diablo-D3: I wanted a T1
Diablo-D3: because all we had was dialup, and we didnt even have 56k yet
Diablo-D3: I started with 2400, then had 14.4, then had 33.6, then 56k for awhile
mircea_popescu: topace_ now multiply that 1.5 mbps with 100 because 2.5th won't be too rare by the time blocks are 1gb
Diablo-D3: and then I had 768k dsl and now 3mbps
Diablo-D3: and soon as fairpoint gets done raping verizon's dead corpse, Ill get 15
Korbman: when I was a kid I was happy to have 28.8 ..then we moved up to 56 and damn it was "fast"
Diablo-D3: man, 56k was lol
Diablo-D3: 2 days to download an episode of anime
Diablo-D3: and it wasnt even good quality
Korbman: and then I went straight from that to 1mbps cable and shit my pants
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 10 @ 0.1435 = 1.435 BTC [-]
Korbman: now I'm on 25mbps and I think it's too slow sometimes :P
Korbman: Google Fiber please!
Korbman: haha
Diablo-D3: well, all I want is netflix in hd
mircea_popescu: you should all move to romania
mircea_popescu: best internet outside of azn.
jcpham: i wikipedia stalked your country i think
mircea_popescu: o?
jcpham: now i forget everything i learned
mircea_popescu: lol
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: i stole some code from work to help with the endeavor
thestringpuller: down with the banks!
thestringpuller: !ticker S.MPOE
assbot: Provide exchange and ticker.
thestringpuller: !ticker m S.MPOE
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00064635 / 0.0006636 / 0.00067827 (852750 shares, 565.89 BTC), 7D: 0.00062769 / 0.00065914 / 0.00067827 (6872362 shares, 4,529.89 BTC), 30D: 0.00058998 / 0.00063929 / 0.00067827 (39819121 shares, 25,456.12 BTC)
thestringpuller: !ticker m O.BTCUSD.C140T
assbot: [MPEX:O.BTCUSD.C140T] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.10808014 / 0.12130616 / 0.14775821 (15 shares, 1.82 BTC), 30D: 0.01359389 / 0.02685208 / 0.19999999 (1051 shares, 28.22 BTC)
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 14.87203, Best ask: 14.98901, Bid-ask spread: 0.11698, Last trade: 14.87001, 24 hour volume: 47086.67851179, 24 hour low: 14.45900, 24 hour high: 14.99002, 24 hour vwap: 14.76172
mircea_popescu: shit did it touch 15 ?
mircea_popescu: wow 14.99
thestringpuller: about to
thestringpuller: :)
topace_: no, the difficulty for stratum will just go up
topace_: right now each block i submit to the pool is worth 16 shares
topace_: with 2.5TH, each block i submit will be worth like, 64 shares
topace_: or whatever
topace_: it'll still try to submit x blocks every x minutes
mircea_popescu: hm
mircea_popescu: i dunno, you actually have to somehow get the data you're hashing
kakobrekla: i got rid of all my gear except for single moded ztex runing 260mhash, ill just put it on solo and check in 10 years
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 90 @ 0.1435 = 12.915 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: like playin a lottery i guess
topace_: yea but the hash string is a short piece of text
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.00587899 = 2.9395 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.509 = 2.545 BTC [+]
Korbman: So the reality is, even at a TH/s bandwidth shouldn't be an issue?
topace_: right
topace_: thats what stratum solves
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla> i got rid of all my gear except for single moded ztex runing 260mhash, ill just put it on solo and check in 10 years << tbh, if i mined i'd solo too.
Korbman: that's what I presumed, but I wasn't sure the exact amount of data consumed per, say, 1GH/s
Korbman: bandwidth* consumed
mircea_popescu: Korbman there are two factors here : hash speed and average block size.
mircea_popescu: the ideea is that both will go up by degrees of magnitude (like, one or two every year)
Korbman: Right
Korbman: makes sense
mircea_popescu: and the question is, are there asumptions baked in (or even burned into silicon)
mircea_popescu: that this may conflict with
mircea_popescu: i have no clue about mining, but i've managed projects before and i'm inclined to suspect that probably there are.
jcpham: i'm going to keep mining as long as the orphanage is paying my power bill
pigeons: mircea_popescu: the other, non bfl asic manufacturers have mentioned that their devices are agnostic to bitcoin mining, only for sha-256 hashing and i think even agnosting to the 2x256 thing and all that detail stuff being handled in host controller software
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.51 = 2.55 BTC [+]
pigeons: but if big blocks like that, bfl has to rewrite their tablet software!
pigeons: anyway, see, if they were a scam, why even write that in the first place!
pigeons: who is this Shavers guy BFL hired for marketing?
Korbman: lol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 50 @ 0.515 = 25.75 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 8 @ 0.52 = 4.16 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.5275 = 2.6375 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.52999999 = 5.3 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.55 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 30 @ 0.55 = 16.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 8 @ 0.58 = 4.64 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 9 @ 0.58 = 5.22 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2000 @ 0.00067826 = 1.3565 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4550 @ 0.00067827 = 3.0861 BTC [+]
Korbman: damn...glad to see I'm still holding my shares of SDICE bought at .37 :P
Korbman: 57% gain in 2 weeks
topace_: :)
topace_: !ticker h sdice
assbot: [HAVELOCK:SDICE] 1D: 0.48000000 / 0.52973776 / 0.58000000 (143 shares, 75.75249990 BTC), 7D: 0.47500000 / 0.49032197 / 0.58000000 (719 shares, 352.54149990 BTC), 30D: 0.37000000 / 0.45605941 / 0.62000000 (3678 shares, 1677.38649988 BTC)
topace_: we'll see what happens on next dividend
topace_: i think a lot of people foolishly think that the crazy up luck month of december will continue
Korbman: yup
jurov: got announcements from amir/genjix:
jurov: I know how to format Sunday. Some of you will also know how to format
jurov: Sunday night events. I think we should definitely do it that way.
jurov: It's cold outside so we'll do it inside instead.
jurov: like,wtf?
Korbman: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 14.90004, Best ask: 15.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.09996, Last trade: 14.90004, 24 hour volume: 48207.48847395, 24 hour low: 14.45900, 24 hour high: 15.00000, 24 hour vwap: 14.77713
Korbman: yay $15
jcpham: We have good news we have had a new shipment come in yesterday and were able to ship it to you.
jcpham: YAY
jcpham: fifteen
mircea_popescu: it hit ?
jcpham: over
mircea_popescu: pigeons aha
jcpham: 15.15 the kids are bidding
mircea_popescu: <topace_> i think a lot of people foolishly think that the crazy up luck month of december will continue << actually december wasn't much off ev was it ?
mircea_popescu: jurov what's it mean to format sunday ?
jcpham: <amphipod> +Jan17 16:49:36 bitstamp 10.0000 @ 15.01 USD
jcpham: <amphipod> +Jan17 18:49:30 cbx 5.5012 @ 14.31 USD
jcpham: <amphipod> +Jan17 16:49:53 mtgox 0.2500 @ 15.15029 USD
jcpham: <amphipod> +Jan17 16:49:58 bitme 5.2000 @ 15.29 USD
jcpham: <amphipod> +Jan17 18:49:53 cbx 0.1366 @ 14.31 USD
jcpham: * i2pRelay (~i2prelay@gateway/tor-sasl/i2prelay) has joined #bitcoin-market
jcpham: <amphipod> +Jan17 16:50:22 btcn 1.0000 @ 91.98 CNY
jcpham: <amphipod> +Jan17 16:50:22 mtgox x23 24.6047 @ 15.16041205 USD
jcpham: sorry for spam
jurov: mircea, dunno, perhaps some anarchist thing
mircea_popescu: lol
jcpham: it's every exchange too not just gox
jcpham: that's fun to see
mircea_popescu: well in other news i made myself chocolate
jcpham: haha
smickles: damn mircea_popescu, who do you think will be chosen as judges
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C140T] 110 @ 0.1385 = 15.235 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C140T] 510 @ 0.1409839 = 71.9018 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: smickles well i have no idea, seeing how neither party gave any input. random pick
jcpham: judges for what
jcpham: rota has to work?
smickles: yup
mircea_popescu: jcpham i hilited you like yest lol
jcpham: booo....free money
jcpham: i was at home yesterday
jcpham: that client is the suck
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2013/case-i-wences-vs-mpex-breach-of-fiduciary-duty/
jcpham: so which entity? k
smickles: so who is EF0641A7?
jcpham: yes where can ireadup on the particulars
smickles: (the signer of the claim)
jcpham: also it looks like this dispute is against mpex et al.
smickles: maybe i shouldn't start discussing details in case i'm chosen as a judge
jcpham: i think you are correct. no cross- talk
jcpham: but i would like any and al details to the particulars
jcpham: "for
jcpham: the sum of 130.04256216 mistakenly sent 130.00 BTC instead."
jcpham: is all i have deciphered thus far
mircea_popescu: well, dude sent round value
mircea_popescu: you can see it in the blockchain
mircea_popescu: now wants to claim it.
jcpham: so it's a ssimple as someone not follwing the rules
jcpham: i assume mpex to be automated
mircea_popescu: why do you assume that ?!
jurov: did he at least send the additional 0.04256216?
jcpham: if it was mine it would be automated
jurov: i would, and then i'd argue it was nowhere sait it must be sent at once :P
smickles: jcpham: deposits arn't automated
mircea_popescu: jurov that's a different transaction
mircea_popescu: happens to also be 130 btc
smickles: *fully
mircea_popescu: and yes it's said it has to be sent at once lol
smickles: well, I can't wait to see the argments presented
jcpham: iirc the mpex faq had some such statement about incorrect amounts
smickles: and I wonder if i'll be chosen as a judge or not
jurov: lol, there's a nice public note on blockchain.info.. did not knew this is possible
jcpham: very interesting
mircea_popescu: jurov whassat ?
jurov: go to http://blockchain.info/address/1Fx3N5iFPDQxUKhhmDJqCMmi3U8Y7gSncx
jurov: scroll down
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 25 @ 0.00594222 = 0.1486 BTC [+]
jurov: or grep "Public Note:"
mircea_popescu: da fuck !?
jcpham: mmmmhmmm
mircea_popescu: is that the result of him signing the message ?
smickles: i think it's stuff you can put in the tx
jcpham: i am actually unsure
mircea_popescu: me too.
jurov: no you can't put stuff like this into tx
smickles: use bitcoind help sendtoaddress
mircea_popescu: this will be an interesting case i think
jurov: he mush have associated it some other way
mircea_popescu: jurov iirc you can put it via blockchain
mircea_popescu: they add a little tag and keep a db
jcpham: i'm thinking blockchain wallet
mircea_popescu: tho i wouldn't sear to this
smickles: 1there are coinbase fields for [comment] and [comment-to]
jcpham: if it was in the tranasaction then the transaction isn't amistake
jcpham: so that idea negates the claim
mircea_popescu: that's a point...
smickles: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=40264.msg1158100#msg1158100
smickles: re blockchain notes
jcpham: If bitcointalk wasn't such a toxic waste dump I'd suggest someone curate this information ina thread
jcpham: i'm fine i have my own notes
mircea_popescu: jcpham do it on my forum
jcpham: and where is that
smickles: and they use OP_DROP to put the message in
mircea_popescu: http://polimedia.us/btcf/
smickles: oh lol, i forgot about that
mircea_popescu: smickles so basically, it's not a signature or anything ?
mircea_popescu: smickles i forgot about it too lol.
smickles: mircea_popescu: if it's in the tx, it is signed by the sender
smickles: it's one of the 'scripts'
mircea_popescu: problem is, the addies that signed are not the addies that sent the 130
mircea_popescu: so this isn't actually proof is it
smickles: what are you saying it's not proof of? it looks like a message they put up when decided to sue mpex
jcpham: i assume the message was added after the fact and blochain.info allows something special
mircea_popescu: smickles it's not proof that the same person actually sent the 130
jcpham: it appears that way from the information i am reading
mircea_popescu: understand, anyone watching mpex addy can claim any rounded sums
mircea_popescu: as far as i know.
jcpham: so now there is the issue of ownership
jcpham: how does one prove ownership
mircea_popescu: either sign with the addy or show the deposit slip issued by mpex.
jcpham: we know who or where the current owner is, but can the previous owner prove ownership
mircea_popescu: i would guess
mircea_popescu: or anything else the judges come up with
mircea_popescu: that's why they're there
smickles: i don't think the message could be added after the fact, it's in the tx afaik, however, the tx with the message was made on this past 17th, and isn't the 130 btc in question
smickles: so what are you guys on about?
JWU_42: 15.30
JWU_42: on Gox
JWU_42: =)
smickles: no wai
topace_: heh this is gonna crash hard
smickles: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 15.29900, Best ask: 15.29980, Bid-ask spread: 0.00080, Last trade: 15.29900, 24 hour volume: 51318.02221687, 24 hour low: 14.45900, 24 hour high: 15.29990, 24 hour vwap: 14.82395
jcpham: it's derping crazy
jcpham: the price, that ios
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 548 @ 0.00594222 = 3.2563 BTC [+]
smickles: people freaking out about the state of the world and going to bitcoin would be interesting
smickles: jcpham: did you see what i declared as my company's themesong?
jcpham: i never listened to it
smickles: ah well, i suppose it's not really important
mircea_popescu: whoa
jcpham: i saw the link but got busy
JWU_42: 15.32
jurov: smickles. the message was certainly NOT in the tx. it looks like was just slapped on some other unrelated tx using blockchain.info
JWU_42: heh
jcpham: the plaintiff will need to prove ownership. i don't see where that has been performed yet.
jcpham: maybe i've missed something
smickles: jurov: that's what i'm saying, the message is on an unrelated tx
jcpham: from the same address for a token amount
smickles: http://polimedia.us/btcf/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=17
smickles: canada's next
jcpham: however this doesn't prove an identity or ownership
jurov: OK, being "in" and "on" is quite a difference :)
Tritonio: hae you people seen the amazingrando scam accusation? How big was his mining op?
smickles: jurov: well, i wasn't making the distinction there, maybe out of my own ignorrance, but i saw a statement by piuk that those blockchian messags are in txns via OP_DROP
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 1 @ 0.8001 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 1 @ 0.8 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2013/case-i-wences-vs-mpex-breach-of-fiduciary-duty/
mircea_popescu: pigeons ^^ you're on.
smickles: oh my, progress
jurov: on polimedia.us/btcf is registration disabled or i'm blind?
mircea_popescu: jurov lemme check
mircea_popescu: umm i guess it is
mircea_popescu: Tritonio it was relatively large
jurov: in just got idea... saw some people advertising their forum, can't remember
mircea_popescu: i did not see the accusation tho. link ?
jurov: i'd like to have some support topic for coinbr
jurov: where i could be admin ... i don't want btctalk
mircea_popescu: jurov forum was more a joke thing. it was never open registration, so it wouldn't make too good a support venue
jurov: and don't want to install/maintain more stuff on the vps just for that
jurov: mircea yes, but there were some other ppl that looked serious :)
mircea_popescu: o ty :D
jurov: looks it was this one: http://www.bitcoinforum.com
smickles: jurov: yeah, you could only get membership on that forum if you had significant -otc trust with mircea, or even better L2 trust to mircea
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 82 @ 0.00594222 = 0.4873 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 918 @ 0.00595019 = 5.4623 BTC [+]
smickles: or something like that
jurov: ;;gettrust mircea_popescu
gribble: Trust relationship from user jurov to user mircea_popescu: Level 1: 4, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://serajewelks.bitcoin-otc.com/trustgraph.php?source=jurov&dest=mircea_popescu
jurov: or it was meant the otther way around?
jurov: ;;gettrust mircea_popescu jurov
gribble: Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user jurov: Level 1: 3, Level 2: 6 via 5 connections. Graph: http://serajewelks.bitcoin-otc.com/trustgraph.php?source=mircea_popescu&dest=jurov
mircea_popescu: im sure he'd have made it, but!
mircea_popescu: i kinda forgot all about it lol. soon after glbse imploded and etc
Tatsuya: who runs bitbet?
Tritonio: mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=136803.0
mircea_popescu: Tatsuya me and kakobrekla
mircea_popescu: o, yeah... pretty dubious stuff.
Tatsuya: nice - any plans/chance you guys might post / give access to bet databases for running statistical analyses?
mircea_popescu: Tatsuya post, as in free/public ? no.
Tatsuya: That's what I meant, but yeah ok
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24900 @ 0.00067576 = 16.8264 BTC [-]
smickles: couldn't you construct that yourself?
Tatsuya: One thing that would be nice for the site, though, would be to see not just the BTC ratio, but also the user ratio
smickles: they're more like waves that have particle-like properties tho
smickles: er, i mean to say, you can't really say that a givin bet was done by a specific user
thestringpuller: smickles you around for a bit?
smickles: thestringpuller: I can be
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11546 @ 0.00067576 = 7.8023 BTC [-]
jcpham: http://blockchain.info/address/1B5h9sf6xNLYGa3NBk48hwYbxyNZ22PRJk
jcpham: ^ check it out
mircea_popescu: Tatsuya what's the user ratio ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 608 @ 0.00067576 = 0.4109 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8092 @ 0.00067575 = 5.4682 BTC [-]
Korbman: why the hell is blockchain.info showing up in spanish to me now...
Korbman: lol it was english this morning
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 482 @ 0.00595019 = 2.868 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 950 @ 0.00598578 = 5.6865 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 318 @ 0.00598999 = 1.9048 BTC [+]
Tatsuya: mircea_popescu, yup - that! better to gauge the riskyness of the best looking @ sample size - I know you list the individual bets, but tallying is a pain
mircea_popescu: Tatsuya i'm sorry ?!
Tatsuya: oh sorry
Tatsuya: on top of the BTC no/yes in red/blue, also show # of users no/yes in red/blue
Tatsuya: for each of the bet posts
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 1 @ 0.7801 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 1 @ 0.78 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: i think that would be too crowded, perhaps we could place that info someplace else
Tatsuya: sure - just some way that's easier than counting the bets by hand
kakobrekla: k
kakobrekla: will be added soonish
mircea_popescu: oh yeah
mircea_popescu: it's aproblem cramming all that info in there
smickles: heh, add an "all the stats on this bet that you could ever want" link
mircea_popescu: lol
Tatsuya: It's just for when - let's say you have a bet that's 100 BTC vs 100 BTC. It could be that just one person but in a 100 BTC 'no' bet and 1000 people put in 0.1 BTC bets. which would be an entirely different betting situation than 100 people betting 0.5 BTC 'yes' and 100 people betting 0.5 BTC 'no'
Tatsuya: *put
smickles: mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: don't for get the unicorn to leprechaun ratio
mircea_popescu: yeah. course you can sorta gauge that from the betlist
smickles: i say you can't, unique btc addys are easy to come by
Tatsuya: oh good point
smickles: low enough effort that you can't discount the possibility of a troll
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 125 @ 0.00598999 = 0.7487 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5785 @ 0.00067575 = 3.9092 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6615 @ 0.00067519 = 4.4664 BTC [-]
Tatsuya: there could still be statistical ways of detecting the probability of a troll vs not a troll
Tatsuya: I just want to get Bayesian all up on this data
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8694 @ 0.00067827 = 5.8969 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3106 @ 0.00067874 = 2.1082 BTC [+]
dub: so I never synced past "blocks" : 191463,
dub: been on that block for days
mircea_popescu: are you enjoying it ?
dub: wonder how many people just give up on bitcoin because of this
dub: I'd guess maybe >50%
mircea_popescu: dub i imagine 80%
Bugpowder: OK that is about enough bitcoin price raise for this month thank you very much
mircea_popescu: lol was waiting for you to log
Bugpowder: well the C140Ts finally sold
Bugpowder: big surprise
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 1 @ 0.76 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LTC-MINING] 2 @ 0.41 = 0.82 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: Bitcoin Will Hit $15 Before February 1st
mircea_popescu: Bitcoin Will Hit $15 Before March 1st
mircea_popescu: etc.
Bugpowder: the ask sheet is just EMPTY
mircea_popescu: ;;asks 20
gribble: There are currently 26018.869 bitcoins offered at or under 20.0 USD, worth 462205.640168 USD in total.
mircea_popescu: ;;asks 15
mircea_popescu: umm nm
Bugpowder: ;;asks 19
gribble: There are currently 0 bitcoins offered at or under 15.0 USD, worth 0.0 USD in total.
gribble: There are currently 19450.404 bitcoins offered at or under 19.0 USD, worth 331657.94613 USD in total.
Bugpowder: ;;asks 16.9
gribble: There are currently 8987.8874 bitcoins offered at or under 16.9 USD, worth 145203.270584 USD in total.
jurov: !ticker m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00064635 / 0.00066602 / 0.00067874 (838877 shares, 558.72 BTC), 7D: 0.00062769 / 0.00065943 / 0.00067874 (6900079 shares, 4,550.16 BTC), 30D: 0.00059238 / 0.00063945 / 0.00067874 (39816563 shares, 25,460.78 BTC)
jurov: !ticker m s.dice
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.0048577 / 0.00529282 / 0.00598999 (83611 shares, 442.54 BTC), 7D: 0.00449034 / 0.00471824 / 0.00598999 (2501791 shares, 11,804.07 BTC), 30D: 0.0014 / 0.00372541 / 0.00598999 (11744538 shares, 43,753.22 BTC)
Bugpowder: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 15.47100, Best ask: 15.58111, Bid-ask spread: 0.11011, Last trade: 15.47101, 24 hour volume: 55890.61316392, 24 hour low: 14.46811, 24 hour high: 15.58900, 24 hour vwap: 14.91688
jurov: upward to 16!
mircea_popescu: quite remarkable that stocks don't selloff
mircea_popescu: all the theoreticians of btc as commodity will have a serious problem explaining this so far pretty consistent behaviour
dub: ;;bids 12
gribble: There are currently 73086.439 bitcoins demanded at or over 12.0 USD, worth 1001985.33423 USD in total.
dub: ^saturday
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C160T] 1000 @ 0.07214377 = 72.1438 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 75 @ 0.00598999 = 0.4492 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: btw, Bugpowder, can you ping rassah ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 200 @ 0.00598999 = 1.198 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: i'll send him an FB msge
mircea_popescu: danke
assbot: [BTCTC] [CREATE] 10 @ 0.04 = 0.4 BTC
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 15.61901, Best ask: 15.68000, Bid-ask spread: 0.06099, Last trade: 15.61901, 24 hour volume: 56166.81154533, 24 hour low: 14.47027, 24 hour high: 15.68000, 24 hour vwap: 14.93915
mircea_popescu: look at that go.
pigeons: shit
Bugpowder: how high does the parabola go
Bugpowder: Yeah I am short a fair number of calls
Bugpowder: uh oh
mircea_popescu: dude looking at the day graph
Bugpowder: TO 30!
mircea_popescu: that can literally go to 50
mircea_popescu: slow buildup on low volume, no spike no anything
Bugpowder: yeah
Bugpowder: by next Friday anything is possible
mircea_popescu: there's literally no ceiling visible.
pigeons: $100 by christmas
pigeons: ;)
pigeons: this rvm stuff reminds me of the same retardedness as windows SxS
mircea_popescu: i guess im the first bitcoin person to be worth > 10mn.
Bugpowder: It could be be a painful month for MPORB or a great one.
assbot: [BTCTC] [CREATE] 124 @ 0.04 = 4.96 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 200 @ 0.00598999 = 1.198 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1524 @ 0.00593682 = 9.0477 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1126 @ 0.00581826 = 6.5514 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 15.36587, Best ask: 15.36588, Bid-ask spread: 0.00001, Last trade: 15.36588, 24 hour volume: 58349.69576818, 24 hour low: 14.50622, 24 hour high: 15.68000, 24 hour vwap: 14.96194
mircea_popescu: aha!
mircea_popescu: well,. this is too much excitement for me. anyone care rto recomend a movie ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 100 @ 0.00576441 = 0.5764 BTC [-]
dub: CREATE?
dub: is that you EskimoBob?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6658 @ 0.00067874 = 4.5191 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3600 @ 0.00067882 = 2.4438 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11250 @ 0.00067928 = 7.6419 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17892 @ 0.00067983 = 12.1635 BTC [+]
dub: sounds retarded enough to be EskimoBob
pigeons: CREATE is matthew from "red star mining", quite an interesting fellow, with some idea to sell 3d printing services of some kind and not really make any money from it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 100 @ 0.00598999 = 0.599 BTC [+]
dub: yes, 'interesting' is one word
pigeons: nicer than schizophrenic
dub: or dumber than a box of hammers
mircea_popescu: can i print a tank yet?
dub: would you download a tank?
pigeons: yes a toy tank
mircea_popescu: if i could download a tank i wouldn't download boobs...
dub: yeah, take boobs by force with your new tank
pigeons: no you cannot download a nitrous tank mp
dub: 'Romainian village raped at tank-point'
mircea_popescu: lmao
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.58 = 2.9 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 17 @ 0.58 = 9.86 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.5875 = 1.175 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4441 @ 0.00067983 = 3.0191 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16406 @ 0.00067998 = 11.1558 BTC [+]
markedathome: hiya peeps.
markedathome: i thought create was garr255 (cognitive)?
Bugpowder: yea
markedathome: it is -> started by Garr255 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=136953.0
jcpham: it is snowing here
Ukto: you can haz it
jcpham: we never get snow
Ukto: yeah we had light snow over night liek 2 nights in a row
jcpham: i opened my window to watch it
Ukto: just enough to whiten things
kakobrekla: unbelivalbe what kind of garbage asset people come up with
Ukto: kakobrekla: which one now?
kakobrekla: marked link
Ukto: oh
Ukto: lol
Ukto: its more of a crowdfunding
Ukto: than an asset
Ukto: would work better in my new stuff thats comming up
assbot: [BTCTC] [MININGCO.ETF] 50 @ 0.5 = 25 BTC
Bugpowder: here come the asks
jurov: it's done: http://www.bitcoinforum.com/coinbr-com/
jurov: they were helpful and quick, i have own board with admin rights
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1900 @ 0.00067519 = 1.2829 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 15 @ 0.33 = 4.95 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: Ukto
thestringpuller: you got some splainin to do
assbot: [BTCTC] [CREATE] 1 @ 0.04 BTC
jurov: no idea why
jurov: 14 guests viewing this board? lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25500 @ 0.00067519 = 17.2173 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 15 @ 0.33 = 4.95 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18772 @ 0.00067519 = 12.6747 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 12 @ 0.421 = 5.052 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.421 = 0.842 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 50 @ 0.00598999 = 0.2995 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00067519 = 7.3596 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11113 @ 0.00067519 = 7.5034 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4737 @ 0.00066769 = 3.1628 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: jurov cool
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 50 @ 0.00598998 = 0.2995 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 50 @ 0.00598998 = 0.2995 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 15.50001, Best ask: 15.54987, Bid-ask spread: 0.04986, Last trade: 15.50001, 24 hour volume: 67571.97026330, 24 hour low: 14.60030, 24 hour high: 15.68000, 24 hour vwap: 15.06797
dub: i don't grok CREATE at all
dub: seems to just be a free printer for Garr
mircea_popescu: dub let's face it, pretending like we're doing finance is cool.
dub: well it is finance, like getting 'finance' from an appliance store, right? only not having to pay it back
mircea_popescu: yes and also all the chicks dig rich finance types.
mircea_popescu: course if he 3d printed lottery tickets
mircea_popescu: that'd be a true consolidated GLBSE legacy.
dub: he could print a free DIY lobotomy tool for anyone that invests
mircea_popescu: they wouldn't know how to use it
mircea_popescu: and "invests"... well... kids wanna have fun on the interwebs. why not ?
Namworld: He should have made a bond like BTC-BOND
dub: its shaped like a pencil, you hold it up to an eye and slam your face into the desk
mircea_popescu: Namworld were you invested with amazingrando btw ?
Namworld: Yeah
mircea_popescu: are you screwed ?
Namworld: He owes me 770 BTC
gigavps: :O
mircea_popescu: meh.
Namworld: 2369 BTC total
Namworld: for BTC-MINING
gigavps: still no response?
mircea_popescu: 2.4k of which 800 due ? or 2.4k capital of which 800 writeoff ?
Namworld: 2.4k out of which I own 770 personally.
gigavps: ouch
mircea_popescu: so he owes 2369 btc to btc-mining of which 770 are your share ?
Namworld: He's more than late. He hasn't been answering my PMs ever since he said he stopped GPU mining and said he'd be back when BFL would ship because he spent everything on that.
Namworld: mircea: correct
mircea_popescu: nasty.
gigavps: Namworld he's still mining
Namworld: ...
Namworld: yeah, he's at your facility
Namworld: right?
Namworld: shared place?
gigavps: http://bitminter.com/livestats/big
gigavps: i'm have 14 machines in WA
pigeons: rota!
mircea_popescu: lol srsly.
Namworld: Yeah. If you have his contact info, I wouldn't mind.
mircea_popescu: so the guy with the 130 btc sent it off blockchain wallet ;/
mircea_popescu: if there a way for a user to prove he owns a blockchain address ?
jcpham: mircea_popescu in the original terms/faq/whatever for mpex, didn't you have some wordage saying something about incorrect amount being sent to you would be kept
jcpham: or has that changed now with rota
Namworld: mircea: you can sign message with your blockchain.info addresses.
jcpham: i seem to recall wordage somehwere along those lines
mircea_popescu: jcpham it was always the case, but i mostly hold it as a reserve to protect against rampant idiocy.
Namworld: So should be fine.
jcpham: ic
mircea_popescu: otherwise, people should have equitable remedy if they're reasonable i think
mircea_popescu: Namworld o you can ? how ?
dub: ;;getrating amazingrando
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mircea_popescu: this guy is kinda noobish, i think detailed explanation would help him a lot.
Namworld: There should be an option somewhere.
mircea_popescu: (and i never used blockchain myself)
Namworld: Some people claimed with a blockchain address signing a message.
mircea_popescu: know who ?
Namworld: No, I was told how but I don't remember
dub: [16:46] <mircea_popescu> if there a way for a user to prove he owns a blockchain address ?
Namworld: Should be in one of the dropdown menu when logged in.
jcpham: i'd also like to know
dub: ask roger?
mircea_popescu: lol dub
mircea_popescu: you're possibly the best troll here you know that ?
jcpham: the most prolific investor in bitcoin
jcpham: that's the verbatim
gigavps: bitcoin jesus
mircea_popescu: ya well, the dude fucked up. to be fair pretty much anyone in bitcoin has serious self image issues, so.
pigeons: i'm roger ver, respect my authorital!
pigeons: but i want to write country songs, all the ones i threw away for being too obvious are now #1 hits
pigeons: like beer with jesus
jcpham: jesus and ipads
pigeons: yer lovin made me as sick as a dog, so i'm sickin my dog on you
jurov: if not else, at least i know now what "fiduciary" means :P
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: comes from fides, in latin. trust.
mircea_popescu: http://www.csun.edu/~hcfll004/fides.html
mircea_popescu: a good explanation.
mircea_popescu: "Alright, the contract has been revised, and I'm ready to list the shares. There's a BTC-TC database error preventing me from viewing the issuing account's portfolio, so as soon as Burnside fixes that the shares will be listed."