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lobbes: I tried to press on the first pass with asciilifeform_aggressive_pushgetblocks.vpatch, and it -seemed- to work. I essentially followed the trb how-to ONLINE build, but then downloaded the aggressive patch and seal from btcbase/patches
mod6: alright. looks to me like it got all the way through the deps builds, but for some reason puked when trying to build trb itself.
lobbes: yeah, I made sure gcc was 4. Actually, I have notes on the exact versions of all the packages listed in: http://thebitcoin.foundation/trb-howto.html
lobbes: i.e. not yet figured out trb, because I've been working on mp-wp migration
lobbes: oh no, that is trb
mod6: lobbes: did you ever figure out your trb issue that you ran into?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the only thing preventing trb on the existing pilotplant rockchippen is the small disk.
lobbes ended up getting a cheap dedi out in kansas or w/e for 25 bezzlebux. Soley for trb-ing. Drawback is it has hdd, but going to try and use the aggressive pushgetblocks patch. Seems like diana_coman had nice results with similar experimentation
lobbes: Phew. Now I can focus on getting trb node up this weekend (hit some barfs last night when building, will post details tonight). Also, logbot-based tickerbot is getting closer (tm) to existing  >> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-04#1809600 ☝︎
trinque: all I'm looking for from douchebag currently is a review of what ends up in the trb binary as a dep
trinque: but yes, point of me asking him for this was to get him to press a trb and investigate
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'd like to get a sense of what gets douchebag's pulse going, is all. cuz trb evidently doesnt
trinque: douchebag: if you had actually pressed trb this question would've been answered
asciilifeform: ~then~ builds trb.
asciilifeform: http://thebitcoin.foundation/trb-howto.html
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not only list, but full set of signed tarballs, on trb.org
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, afaik there isn't anywhere a complete list of specified versioning for trb, nor ever was.
asciilifeform: douchebag: pleeez consider at least attempting to read the trb materials at therealbitcoin.org ?
ben_vulpes: isn't he still on the hook for a trb dependency report?
mod6: I guess I need to noodle on this a while, and perhaps make a different example outside the context of trb.
asciilifeform: mod6: the included illustration was to the effect of 'what if trb had been made using this type of vtron, from genesis to present day' .
asciilifeform: mod6: the press (using ordinary v) creates a text file, 'trb'. which then is 'untarred', if you will, to 'makefiles' .
mod6: Simply because I didn't know that it was output to 'out/trb', and then I moved the dir to 'trb'. lol. So i tried to run the thing against a dir, not a crystal. Once I realized that, worked fine.
mod6: Next thing was that I got into some very small trouble with: ./txt2dir.py trb makefiles
asciilifeform: iirc this was a headache in early trb days
mircea_popescu: mod6, was a while ago. but anyway, nevermind, you'll do all this later. get tx tooling into trb, by all means.
mod6: fwiw, I did look for other appearences of the same bug in all of the trb source files, however, I didn't see one. Doesn't mean that they don't exist. I invite all to examine the source.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> hey mod6 how's your ada v coming along ? << Still stuck in the drawer. I haevn't even touched it since Q3 of 17. I'm distinctly intersted in rawtx tools getting into trb, currently.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-01 14:50 mod6: Did nasty things when I tried this with TRB.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-01 14:50 mod6: Did nasty things when I tried this with TRB.
mod6: (re: crystals) re-reading the email, it is jogging my memory that I didn't use the included trb files specifically. I recall screwing around and wiring in my vtron, as opposed to your vtron, then who knows. I probably did something dumb.
asciilifeform: and the 'tldr' of it is: if you download the patches/sigs in the example, and press to any particular one, you get a file 'trb', which, when put through included proggy 'txt2dir' results in a bitwise-correct (i.e. bit-identical to classical tree that we have for trb) press.
asciilifeform: ( if you grab the attachments of the ml post, and follow the instructions, you get bitwise-identical trb on every step of the ladder , vs the respective trb at that step in the orig tree . )
mod6: I'd have to go back an look, but I seem to recall trying to use it to create the trb patches, then inflate from those. and when I did, lotsa hunks/fuzz etc.
asciilifeform: mod6: considering that the example i gave ~is~ the totality of the trb tree, i'm a bit puzzled, what was it you tried ?
mod6: Did nasty things when I tried this with TRB. ☟︎☟︎
mod6: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2018-April/000298.html << Lords & Ladies of The Most Serene Republic, enclosed is a defect I found in existing TRB, it's analysis, and fix.
asciilifeform: in other quasi-noose, heathen node walker ( https://archive.li/FHKym today's snapshot ) reports 11 advertised trb nodez, with 9 of'em at tip-top of currentchain . iirc of the 9, 2 are actually 1 BingoBoingo box. still seems like 'aggression' worx pretty well.
mod6: <+trinque> mod6: I've got a sendrawtxn patch sitting over here << actually, i should mention that i /did/ create a trb sendrawtransaction (just this one rpc call) vpatch late last year, but never sent -- really wanted the rest of the gang 'create', 'sign', etc.
trinque: I don't expect to make that one mainline "trb" though, unless somewhere down the line somebody also breaks off script.cpp into a tx compiler, breaks off a signer, etc
trinque: (got the walletless patch too; trb node on pizarro is walletless)
trinque: got one that rips out the noui.h idiocy too, and a few others that need finishing before I fork a walletless trb
a111: Logged on 2018-04-21 22:00 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-21#1804340 << approximately none. trb ran without trusted node list for years.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-21 16:22 avgjoe: someone (not my server, but some other trb instance) is going to get from who these blocks?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-21#1804340 << approximately none. trb ran without trusted node list for years. ☝︎☟︎
avgjoe: someone (not my server, but some other trb instance) is going to get from who these blocks? ☟︎
avgjoe: ok, i just wanted to report my experience installing TRB. On debian stretch after installing all the dependencies listed on http://thebitcoin.foundation/trb-howto.html , i've modified on /etc/apt/sources.list the repo to the jessie one, then installed gcc and g++ 4.9, then reversed back to stretch
trinque: have you built your own trb node? used V? understood it? do you have a working gnat? built asciilifeform's ffa? built diana_coman's eucrypt? stood up a gentoo from scratch? fertile ground all over.
ascii_lander: ben_vulpes: absolutely unusable for trb, cannot (as presently configed) hold the bloxx
ben_vulpes: i will point out that this rockchip will be a poor production trb host; but will be a fine trb experimentation platform for trinque's audit
a111: Logged on 2018-04-03 18:23 mircea_popescu: douchebag i'll get you a sever once the pizarro folk unwrap their heads enough to actually have one on offer. so you can tinker on gentoo, trb etc and get out of the "vps" bs hell.
ascii_lander: there is not , in traditional trb, a 'talk to these N nodes' mode.
ascii_lander: current trb (not speaking of my 'wires' attempt) doesn't give you this behaviour
mircea_popescu: think about it, if 500 nodes want to talk to bbistan, each local trb will talk to 500/n
ascii_lander: trb lives and dies by i/o bw
ascii_lander: lobbes: iirc current trb won't even ever simult-connect to 2+ nodes nearby in ip space
lobbes: my aim is to have > 1 trb node in > 1 physical locations
ascii_lander: but 1) rockchip will prolly never be an idea trb box 2) wakeup folx installing 77th trb in the rack ! trb dun do much good with N nodez hanging off 1 fiber.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-17 01:12 lobbes: I'm probably too poor, but if it is in my range I'll most likely try and grab one for trb-ing
ascii_lander: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-17#1800708 << the stock disk is 128GB, lobbes , toosmall for trb ☝︎
deedbot: mod6 updated rating of pete_dushenski from 2 to 1 << Runs two TRB nodes. Has bitcoin related blog.
lobbes: my current trb box I'm planning to run at home is a mystery box someone gave me; troubleshooting all the hardware issues I keep uncovering are delaying things. Would be nice to have two eventually anyhow
lobbes: I'm probably too poor, but if it is in my range I'll most likely try and grab one for trb-ing ☟︎
nodehelp: is there a distro where trb generally 100% works on the first time?
mircea_popescu: consider also that especioally b is problematic as trb isn';t ~really~ intended to be used in a home environment ; and racked servers may not provide your video whatever.
mircea_popescu: afaik trb comes cli only ; you can add a gui but a) you'd have to write it and b) it'd necessarily introduce dependencies.
nodehelp: can i also ask: if i want to use trb i can only do it by commandline via bitcoind or there is a way to add a gui?
nodehelp: i'm not very expert, just trying to follow the script to install trb
mod6: In other tales from the TRB: I spent a solid chunk of time this weekend trying to backport all of the rpc rawtx functions from upstream prb. Just to see if it was workable, and an educational endevour. This is not going to be a thing. They change tons of baseclasses and introduce a variety of new ones. Going forward, I think these will just be reimplmented in a trb-fashion.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-10 15:44 david_francois: david_francois: yeah, i got a new server with a SSD raid, I'm planning on getting a update TRB node there, which should be more reliable
a111: Logged on 2018-04-10 15:35 BingoBoingo: david_francois: I noticed on of your trb nodes is perenially 100,000 blocks behind. Consider building a new bitcoind with either the asciilifeform or ben_vulpes aggression patches. Vastly improved sync behavior.
douchebag: trinque: In regards to trb deps
mircea_popescu: now, kako for all his weird was certainly technically competent, so it's not the case that "there lay a trb in the rain".
trinque: yeah, but I'm not extending people trb+linux+amd64 insurance
trinque: douchebag: asking you to review trb's deps wasn't idly selected
mod6: (trb that is)
BingoBoingo: Generally since aggression nodes began the trb ecosystem has been much more sync'd from my perch.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-04 22:56 asciilifeform: and this is true of pretty much any box that makes decent trb node (i.e. has sata3 + ssd )
a111: Logged on 2018-04-12 18:00 asciilifeform: it resembles 'nano ecc' which at 1 point asciilifeform tried to port to trb
trinque left an experimental walletless trb running on that box
asciilifeform: it resembles 'nano ecc' which at 1 point asciilifeform tried to port to trb ☟︎
mircea_popescu: running trb offers a firm guarantee that you will have your coins perpetually. running the various usg-sponsored "i can't believe it's not bitcoin" margerine offers a firm guarantee that a) any time you spend with them will be wasted on a long enough timeline and b) any resources you spend with them will be worthless on a long enough timeline. so bear that in mind.
avgjoe: i suppose that is a noob question, but if someone send me btc from a bech32 address to my trb legacy address, does the node ignore the tx?
avgjoe: interested in running trb
lobbes: ssd, for example, is pretty much necessary for trb nodes to not fall behind.
douchebag: trinque: I'm going to get a trb node setup when I get that server
trinque: also wasn't there a report on trb dependencies coming?
david_francois: david_francois: yeah, i got a new server with a SSD raid, I'm planning on getting a update TRB node there, which should be more reliable ☟︎
BingoBoingo: david_francois: I noticed on of your trb nodes is perenially 100,000 blocks behind. Consider building a new bitcoind with either the asciilifeform or ben_vulpes aggression patches. Vastly improved sync behavior. ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-04-05 16:36 asciilifeform: trinque: theoretically 'every private has a marshal's baton in his knapsack', but realistically it is not esp. likely that 'popping trb' had to wait for this 1 d00d to turn 19 or what he was.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-05 16:31 trinque wonders if douchebag realizes what useful work it'd be, to know how easily trb nodes can be popped, given that the wallet will of course have to be sitting right there, with same permissions, on same box, and etc
trinque: ftr if the report is "trb's deps are not susceptible to any known RCE" that'd be a fine thing to see written up too
asciilifeform: trinque: theoretically 'every private has a marshal's baton in his knapsack', but realistically it is not esp. likely that 'popping trb' had to wait for this 1 d00d to turn 19 or what he was. ☟︎
trinque: (and obviously, ~I do not use the trb wallet~)
trinque wonders if douchebag realizes what useful work it'd be, to know how easily trb nodes can be popped, given that the wallet will of course have to be sitting right there, with same permissions, on same box, and etc ☟︎
spyked: mircea_popescu: yeh I'm definitely considering that! the reason I've postponed getting an ARM board at all was the lack of a full-fledged SATA 3 port. I wanna get trb running on arm at some point among others.
mircea_popescu: the republic's de facto moving towards hardware specialization, there's on one hand the very heavy cpu machines (of which sha miners are a subset, phuctor is another, and so on), and then the sort of thing like this, typified by a trb node machine.
asciilifeform: (trb, buildroot-kernel, userlands)
asciilifeform: chipset is a 'rockchip', i ported trb to it in 2015 iirc.
mircea_popescu: douchebag alf lands in the oriental republic sometime mid month ; you'll get your login then, an' your first task will be to get trb up on it ; and the tasks 2 throught 999 will be to have fun.