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asciilifeform: for their part, the dope makers also drop the ball : it's perfectly possible to make a usable dope that does its thing and breaks down into unremarkables; the assassination poisons people had the right idea in the 1920s

mircea_popescu: iptomonede, opinii" but even manages to write a piece on the celebrated http://trilema.com/2011/romania-cea-de-basm-partea-i/ item (four years later) without somehow managing to at all EVEN MENTION let alone fucking address the whole reason public funds were even misdirected towards printing that (meanwhile melted down) piece of crap. ☟︎

mircea_popescu: but again, i've not sat down with maths for this, just first pass "you got any suspicions ?" thing.

asciilifeform: the four rivets also of interest, they're transparent at 35kV, but would like to know why they are there, do they actually hold down the lid, or is there also glue etc

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform at the present juncture i can't actually tell. it seems to (very slightly) slow down loops while performing merely slightly better than sjlj with no handlers set.

mircea_popescu: so sit down once and for all and write your equations towards usable form and there you go, math undergirth.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: these -- yes the 'fyootoor', in last decade they tore down good % of the town around here and built honest sovok-style communal-by-design flats

mircea_popescu: it's not even legal to take down ~illegal electricity connections~ they made, half the time.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform eh, it's self-limiting, if enough houses burn down it'll just be the new fashion. "this is how things ARE now" worked ok for new york in its slow descent to africa, what's to keep them.

asciilifeform: sorta why i ended up turning the squelch knob slightly down, and nao one can see rubbish grain photos etc. on asciilifeform's www.

mircea_popescu: funny how poorly the whole charade worked out. imagine if they came to you, you know, "here guy, you're the least informed dork in all of this obscure university's legal history dept, we'll promote you as the truly white black man! then you can go down in history as the most idiotic black man the soil ever produced, while we move on to different-but-same whiteboi wanking posts".

asciilifeform: 'Yesterday Fade wanted to know why Reuters and the Associated Press don't let their content stay on the web long. It's because they're old newspaper service organizations that want to charge for access to their archives. Places like Yahoo news subscribe to their content, then have to take it down after a couple weeks. It's funny that most of what future generations are going to know about 1995 onwards will be from archive.org and sim

mircea_popescu: whereas everyone else, traditionally, will just fucking permit themselves to be dragged down to the lowest common denominator rather than behead a misbehaving old hand.

mircea_popescu: "Because of the convenience of SourceForge, many Free Software developers have come to take this collection of features for granted, and would be reluctant to go back to the old way of doing things. Unfortunately, this means that when SourceForge itself takes a turn for the worse, it tends to pull Free Software developers down with it. "

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: phunphakt, in '07 asciilifeform naively tried to get a repo hosted there. was ~turned down~

mircea_popescu: "(People sent me bug reports about the 0.9.24 release. Yeah, that release contained a lot of code copied out of my tree into CVS, but the release was based on CVS, not on my tree.) By 2008 as CVS sank into obsolecense, TCC had clearly decided to go down with the ship. No matter how much work I put into my fork it would never eclipse the "official" tcc project (which could of course read my code to advance their tree)."

trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-20#1898077 << he's alive and well, sinfully busy atm helping me chase down some cash. sends his regards to the republic ☝︎

asciilifeform: Mocky: they forgo threading cuz on c machine you have exactly 3 options : a) forgo threading (i'ma not detail python's 'forgo threading and then lie about it' as separate variant, it is beneath contempt) b) sit down on unix's threads (pthread) c) implement own scheduler

BingoBoingo: Dead cop further down page than dead graffiti communist punk

mircea_popescu: hanbot write down the whole story as you go, but basically yes.

a111: Logged on 2019-01-16 02:24 mod6: This all started because we need a new door, it's old as shit, and all the weather stripping is bad, etc. So of course, this isn't std door size. So I paid some good money to have a custom one made to size. When the carp came out to install it, the first thing he did was pull off one piece of molding, and stuck his file down in the bottom area where that joist is located, and it pushed right through.

mircea_popescu: moreover -- b is actually a major spot of research, because we don't even exactly know WHAT we will set down as "must be / must not be".

asciilifeform maintains a kind of purgatory for these , in #a, and it is quite cheap on acct of the fact that usually only takes'em a coupla hrs to realize that no, this aint the fungal farm, fungal farm is three doors down, and then go to where their place is.

nicoleci: in latest http://trilema.com/2013/its-been-an-epic-few-days-what-happened/#selection-453.43-453.86 news, google plus is being shut down " due to low usage and challenges involved in maintaining a successful product".

asciilifeform: ( this is where i point out, that the fabled 'sane iron' isn't simply a purely aesthetic win to ticke asciilifeform's aestheticles, but in fact substantially cuts down on the complexity of ~all other sane items~ that are to stand on top of it )

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, but you see it as an improvement because you perceive it forces their hands down the right path, whether they want to or not. it's a rapeprovement.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so basically it all comes down to a gns absence issue ?

a111: Logged on 2014-01-16 04:40 asciilifeform: "Sewers caused all our troubles. The masses of this country are not like your Americans, nor even like the British. They are slave stock. They are good for nothing but slaves and only when they are used as slaves are they happy. But we, the decent people, made the mistake of giving them modern housing in the cities where we have our factories. We put sewers in these cities, sewers which extend right down to the

mircea_popescu: as per the "this is the shop where we don't have talapia. the shop where they don't have salmon is down the street"

mircea_popescu: cursory familiarity with the state of the computing stack (and, implicitly, the utter ridiculousness of any wasp-remnant notions of "the public oppionion" and "wouldn't permit" etc) would have saved that white haired tard a lot of unplesantness down in ecuador embassy.

asciilifeform: the electricals are exactly same as for the soldered-down crap

asciilifeform: 'hand me down' from elder.

asciilifeform: zcx hands-down moar compact

asciilifeform not yet burned down, but managed to overhead $box recently

mircea_popescu: talking of space heaters, inb4 her house burned down.

a111: Logged on 2019-02-14 07:40 diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-14#1896320 -> hm, trinque, do you suspect it's really just down to V version? I can easily re-run the thing with a V pressed to same node as yours to rule that out, if that's the case

asciilifeform: !!down drunk_foxx

BingoBoingo: But the issue down here is not "a heatpump", but this one specific size of heatpump that's the only option they know.

asciilifeform: funnily enuff, they're still gettable despite 30 yrs of 'biznis' melting'em down for au.

a111: Logged on 2019-02-14 07:49 diana_coman: according to docs, the mere presence of a handler of exception slows the whole things down when lj

diana_coman: according to docs, the mere presence of a handler of exception slows the whole things down when lj ☟︎

diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-14#1896320 -> hm, trinque, do you suspect it's really just down to V version? I can easily re-run the thing with a V pressed to same node as yours to rule that out, if that's the case ☝︎☟︎

diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-14#1896155 -> the point is that it's supposed to slow down the code *at all times* , not only /if it crashes; so no, I don't imagine anyone cares about *that* if the whole thing crashes ☝︎

mircea_popescu: well at least this discussion's narrowing down the paths issue

mod6: I'm not a "kernel hacker guy", so I've been down these roads based on trying to emulate what I see working in my other machines, and various online posts in teh gentoo forums and others.

a111: Logged on 2019-02-13 21:59 diana_coman: at least there are no more surprises of huge differences in timings; but I'd still test also with some exception handling since that's supposed to slow sjlj down

mod6: at least I could figure out wtf and try to pair it down later.

asciilifeform: the compiler can slim it down to just the return addr, but the latter goes always

asciilifeform: and not as if anyone was there to write down his 'fuck, really'

mircea_popescu: i suspect though that it's unlikely to really happen. yamamoto went down indignant like the anti-chucker "never ~really~ went down" etc.

asciilifeform: it's roughly like studying e.g. chechen. go an' pin down a live specimen.

mircea_popescu: this defecting "to the civil society" or w/e snowden tried blew up spectacularly, when it comes right down to it there's no civil society left in the socialist gulags.

diana_coman: at least there are no more surprises of huge differences in timings; but I'd still test also with some exception handling since that's supposed to slow sjlj down ☟︎

diana_coman goes to write this down properly alreayd

mircea_popescu: do me a favour first and let's nail the numbers down. so, for 1 to 100 if mod 2 results in the loop being run 50 times ? or 49 ?

a111: Logged on 2019-02-12 16:10 asciilifeform: in e.g. airplane, 'exception' should mean that the entire comp shuts down and transfers control to 1 of the hot spare duplicates.

asciilifeform: in e.g. airplane, 'exception' should mean that the entire comp shuts down and transfers control to 1 of the hot spare duplicates. ☟︎

mircea_popescu: and so on, this constant up AND DOWN the tree calling paradigm recreates c++, java and usg necessarily.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform afaik it actually slows down everything, exceptions or not. because jumps are slow.

mircea_popescu: bvt pretty sure the problem with sjlj is that it significantly slows down all code execution, even on code that raises no exceptions.

a111: Logged on 2018-10-26 02:14 asciilifeform: meanwhile, in gnat bugs : apparently ( and this is documented or mentioned nowhere ) : it is impossible to have a Ada.Finalization.Limited_Controlled type ANYWHERE inside a static library, unless it is generic all the way down (i.e. if the lib package is generic, any sub-packages must also be instantiated as generics )

mod6: It's strange because this particular box has like 10 USB ports on it. 2 in the front of the chassis, and like 8 in the back. I wonder if it's like a special add-on thing, I was going to take some pictures for you all, but I need to get down there and do that yet tonight.

BingoBoingo: trinque: deedbot appears down

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i dunlike shit urls anymoar than anyone else, it's down there on conveyor , somewhere below the various roaring fires

lobbes: And the utility of reporting applies to oneself too; even though my flailings in http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2019/01/initial-cuntoo-testing/ may not be of use to anyone else, -I- now have a ready history of wtf I was thinking/doing years down the line, from which to diff

diana_coman: k, I'll take it down and post it a bit later

mod6: well, I didn't want to send people down rabbit holes, but now im at the point where I think I can't get any further with out more help.

BingoBoingo recommends if one must have a drug induced break down the best place is in a public where the peers know your baseline

BingoBoingo: This of course ends in not being down with the clown because lil' debbie claims to be the ratchet, a claim contested by alicia all whatever the fuck

BingoBoingo: Today they are places you can plop down a US stick and plastic "habitation" without eating an insurance dick for risk on mine subsidence

BingoBoingo down was down with the clown but always got lost on the way to the gathering... Until it lost its appeal

BingoBoingo: Still, more grounded than SIU Department of Philosophy which followed my doubling down.

mircea_popescu: his escort bills went down to ~0, which more than compensated

BingoBoingo: Well, when you get vacation time whores are much easier (in theory) to find down here.

BingoBoingo: That's only somewhere between 4 to 7 air cooled VW Fuscas down here.

asciilifeform: 'won't commit to writing down an equation for love or money'

asciilifeform: to run with mircea_popescu's analogy, you want to birth the sons such that they go, when ordered, to the seppuku room, lay down the white sheet, and carefully dump out their guts into the provided pot; rather than having to chop'em up in yer living room, where they'll shit selves, thrash around breaking the fine china, and make whatever other mess.

mircea_popescu: if someone shuts down some procedure i didn't want shut down, i'll find them and kill them. and meanwhile, i can't have gord eating my sandwiches as a 28 yo "man".

a111: Logged on 2019-02-04 22:12 mircea_popescu: equiring more perl -- the perl programmer who veers off the road into the forest will get out of his car and cut down each and every tree that blocks his progress, then drive a few meters and repeat the whole process. whether he gets where he wanted to go or not is immaterial -- a perl programmer will happily keep moving forward and look busy. getting a perl programmer back on the road is a managerial responsibility, and it

BingoBoingo: They are "down a young male" in the same way Baltimore or Ferguson profess to be before they ritually burn so the big drug drop can make it in

mircea_popescu: how can anyone be "down a young male" ? that's what the fuck they're for, i'm not "down six boxes" because i got six boxes on atm.

BingoBoingo: Team puma is also down a young male after it aggressed against a jogger and got choked out this week. Not really qntra, but in the files for blogfodder.

BingoBoingo: 1 fire truck and 4 bombaderos on their motocicletas were on their way down the street when I finished my rubbernecking

a111: Logged on 2019-02-07 19:18 mircea_popescu: the high level i suppose is disputable ; but when getting down to practicals, i was still reading the bottom line on the eye chart at time-and-a-half the distance when we fitted bimbo for glasses.

mircea_popescu: the high level i suppose is disputable ; but when getting down to practicals, i was still reading the bottom line on the eye chart at time-and-a-half the distance when we fitted bimbo for glasses. ☟︎

diana_coman: heh, yes; he still gets caught at "run down chased by stuff and turn sharply left/right"

BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I am going to head down to the basement to put two old RK drives in dulap for zeroing and to retrieve the USB to SATA cable for zeroing the rust

mircea_popescu: people (the actual people, i mean) only started perceiving the need to ~even write down most of it~ sometime in the 90s.

trinque: whole point was to slim the thing down to minimal set that'll boot and compile w/e else you wanted

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sorta the point of nailing down cuntoo etc. to avoid the quite unpleasant 'hrm i need a box, lemme visit junkyard and see if they have pieces of old lada'

a111: Logged on 2018-09-25 00:32 asciilifeform: verisimilitude: i highly recommend it, right now you're in approx the position of that random fella who sat down in a cargo plane and took off on a lark

mircea_popescu: !!down verisimilitude

asciilifeform: this means no array concatenation, for instance; or any string ops that do not sit down in apriori known space.

asciilifeform: verisimilitude: there are other langs with strong typing, but afaik ada is the only 1 where a) with actual standard b) doesn't drag along a gargantuan runtime that won't sit down in small single-chip boxes etc

asciilifeform: !!down verisimilitude

mircea_popescu: equiring more perl -- the perl programmer who veers off the road into the forest will get out of his car and cut down each and every tree that blocks his progress, then drive a few meters and repeat the whole process. whether he gets where he wanted to go or not is immaterial -- a perl programmer will happily keep moving forward and look busy. getting a perl programmer back on the road is a managerial responsibility, and it ☟︎

mircea_popescu: and then when he gets to romanian he's gonna want fain backups, and conceivably, wtf was http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22dtng%22 and also, that one time when i sat down to read my collection of pif, what was in those large year-bound things, and could i perhaps dig up the "casino" roulette thing i made by hand to get all the other kids's turbo chewing gum "surprise" dollars, dms an' turk lyrasi

asciilifeform: http://loper-os.org/pub/mu/DERIVE.EXE , http://loper-os.org/pub/mu/mulisp.com << the latter is 'mulisp-87', there is also a '-90' that i was never able to track down.

mircea_popescu: and of course, all sort of forgotten lulz, like say "I says I feel O.K. and I ain't afraid to pitch against Johnson and I ain't afraid to hit against him neither. Then Weaver says Have you ever saw him work? Yes, I says, I seen him in Chi. Then Weaver says Well if you have saw him work and ain't afraid to hit against him I'll bet you would go down to Wall Street and holler Hurrah for Roosevelt. I says No I wouldn't do that bu

trinque: asciilifeform: the diff there contains only path weird, and I hazard a guess there's a difference in vdiff behavior. I used a vdiff pressed down to vtools_tempfile_standalone_notmp