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asciilifeform: phf: hrm i missed the http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-07#1907295 ln. on init. read. patients with this symptom have exceedingly poor prognosis (witness e.g. Framedragger , succumbed to torcancer year+ after init. remission..) but it aint like the triage queue is full , thought worth try. ☝︎
OriansJ: phf: I have always felt precise and clear communication can only occur when both parties are open to the expression to incomplete thoughts with the goal of synchronize understandings. Otherwise the communication style is forced into a form of data dumps with long load times and a general ineffectiveness of cooperation between individuals; particularly when the delta between individuals is large.
OriansJ: phf: short version SVG that only supports lines and text but not SVG Animation or any of the other fun extras. ☟︎
OriansJ: phf: well few people would understand that position; so I tend to express concepts in forms for general consumption. Even though it will result in loss of precision; as few people are technical enough to care about the details lost.
OriansJ: phf: I have no web browser on my regular machine nor any desire to add one.
OriansJ: phf: It is on a seperate machine; The svg subset that isn't turing complete is enabled and working.
OriansJ: phf: The choice of browser as per your previous comment
OriansJ: phf: the cost of trying to interact with those that don't share one's values; for the sake of hopefully learning something of value or finding a fruitful cooperation.
OriansJ: phf: Tor-browser paranoid mode for reference ☟︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2019-04-07 00:36 asciilifeform: ^ bug report to phf ^
asciilifeform: ^ bug report to phf ^ ☟︎
asciilifeform: ( phf's www engine, btw. all q's to him. )
lobbes: ^ fyi phf for future snarfage
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/patches/ffa_ch18_subroutines.kv << loox a++ . also ty phf.
asciilifeform: phf: pure gold, in fact. mega-find, phf.
asciilifeform: phf: the included items appear to be quite useful, also ty .
asciilifeform: phf: got it, thx. the linked piece already in log btw, phf excavated it last yr .
lobbesbot: phf: Sent 1 day, 16 hours, and 30 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> plox to snarf ch18, ty
asciilifeform: !Q later tell phf plox to snarf ch18, ty
asciilifeform: !Q later tell phf plox to snarf ch18, ty
asciilifeform: phf: i found & removed the last uniturd ( was in the manifest.txt , from the day i made it ) . this however means that there in fact lies a uniturd in the 18 patch ( the removal line , naturally . ) after this i expect no moar .
mircea_popescu: phf, on the other hand, re-rendering is not ~that~ expensive for text.
a111: Logged on 2019-03-25 12:37 mircea_popescu: phf, why does http://btcbase.org/patches/mp-wp_remove-tinymce-and-other-crud not look the same as http://btcbase.org/patches/mp-wp_html-comments-enabled ? i want ?inlinep=true FOREVAR!!!!
hanbot: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-25#1904731 << http://thewhet.net/2019/03/mp-wp-patch-for-enabling-html-comments/ ; updated phf billymg mircea_popescu et al. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, trinque BingoBoingo mod6 asciilifeform phf lobbes spyked ave1 : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/c0QfD/?raw=true ☟︎
hanbot: meanwhile billymg phf mircea_popescu et al my patch from last night needed a reground, sorry for the pain in the ass. http://thewhet.net/2019/03/mp-wp-patch-for-enabling-html-comments/
mircea_popescu: phf, and since i'm doing whining : can there be an alternate mode where lines are always interleaved, like in this beauty ? eg, http://btcbase.org/patches/mp-wp_add-footnotes-and-textselectionjs#selection-5661.0-5158.160 and http://btcbase.org/patches/mp-wp_add-footnotes-and-textselectionjs#selection-5335.0-5158.58 needn't appear that far apart (leaving asi
mircea_popescu: phf, why does http://btcbase.org/patches/mp-wp_remove-tinymce-and-other-crud not look the same as http://btcbase.org/patches/mp-wp_html-comments-enabled ? i want ?inlinep=true FOREVAR!!!! ☟︎
mircea_popescu: speaking of federation and stuff : hey spyked phf ben_vulpes : how much trouble would it be to log every channel in every network over 50 users ? item shouldn't be publicly exposed, but as a fullsearch query (say limited from l1). something like !Xircs "naked sluts" nin?s returning all the lines matching, in a paste encrypted to caller. ☟︎
billymg: i just took a closer look at the files on btcbase.org though and noticed that phf grabbed the old copies from my blog
mircea_popescu: phf, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/TaPSh/?raw=true
billymg: hanbot: phf: the patches and sigs for the mirrored mp-wp tree can be found here http://billymg.com/mp-wp-vtree/
hanbot: phf mp-wp patchset looks good, tyvm.
a111: Logged on 2019-03-19 19:48 phf: asciilifeform: some configuration of gnat refuses to compile utf source code, that's how i originally discovered it
asciilifeform: phf: do you have the anti-utfism patch for vdiff from earlier thrd, or do i need to bake one
asciilifeform: ohai diana_coman , phf
diana_coman: phf: I don't see there any sig from billymg for his patches though?
hanbot: billymg: these are the totality of your mp-wp patches, yes? http://billymg.com/2019/01/minor-mp-wp-patch-updates/ ; i don't recall anyone else having patches, please chime in if you do. meanwhile phf please add <--- to mp-wp tree, and i'ma solder these to the genesis after which danielpbarron i'd be happy to show you how to make a vpatch for your fix.
mircea_popescu: phf http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/nWipU/?raw=true
asciilifeform: ty phf
mircea_popescu: phf which ?
diana_coman: phf: thanks!
asciilifeform: phf: plox to say where
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/patches/ffa_ch17_peh.kv << a++ ty phf , worx
asciilifeform: ohai phf !
lobbesbot: phf: Sent 4 hours and 28 minutes ago: <mircea_popescu> hey! you've got both http://ossasepia.com/2019/03/15/eucrypt-chapter-16-bytestream-inputoutput-keccak/ and http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-05#1892960 pending.
lobbesbot: phf: Sent 1 day, 23 hours, and 4 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> plz snarf ch17 : http://www.loper-os.org/?p=3134 , ty
diana_coman: wb phf!
a111: Logged on 2019-02-05 18:46 phf: mircea_popescu: is the idea that message like logotron will render it as just "logotron" in html?
mircea_popescu: !Q later tell phf hey! you've got both http://ossasepia.com/2019/03/15/eucrypt-chapter-16-bytestream-inputoutput-keccak/ and http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-05#1892960 pending. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-02-05 18:46 phf: mircea_popescu: is the idea that message like logotron will render it as just "logotron" in html?
mircea_popescu: yeah, speaking of which : phf you've got both http://ossasepia.com/2019/03/15/eucrypt-chapter-16-bytestream-inputoutput-keccak/ and http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-05#1892960 pending. ☝︎
asciilifeform: hey phf! всплыть по рубку !
a111: 2019-03-10 <phf> ksum right now works for any sized file, because it goes the b) route: http://btcbase.org/patches/vtools_tempfile_standalone_notmp/tree/vtools/src/ksum.adb#L12
asciilifeform: !#seen phf
asciilifeform: !Q later tell phf plz snarf ch17 : http://www.loper-os.org/?p=3134 , ty
diana_coman: phf please snarf ^
mircea_popescu: as it's unclear from the logs whether phf actually has done this and not published it yet or not done it at all, diana_coman will release a third keccak, that should resolve both the above problem and the "everything is 8x because NIST idiots" thing blowing up vdiff's stack, hopefully later this week.
a111: Logged on 2019-03-10 19:56 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-10#1901200 << that is not at all the problem. i can read the file just fine, but as i do i feed chunks of it to keccak. keccak doesn't take char buffers, it wants "bitstream" i.e. arrays of bits, which means whatever char
a111: Logged on 2017-02-03 05:29 phf: my mom had one of those "papa escaped the purges by burning all paperwork but life got tough when they took our governess" piano teachers, who would lament about being forced to teach peasants and brown folk, not on racial grounds as much as "you have to have a bidet in your house for 3 generations, before you can touch a piano"
a111: Logged on 2019-03-12 18:43 hanbot: http://trilema.com/2019/the-freenode-issue/ << i'm for moving, seeing no compelling reason to stay. pinging asciilifeform ave1 ben_vulpes bingoboingo danielpbarron diana_coman lobbes mod6 phf spyked trinque for inputs.
mircea_popescu: anyways, imo the matter still stands. originally my idea was that phf will put up a drawing of a dwarf with a humongo hammer at the close of the 2nd chapter in the tmsr saga (as per last words of http://trilema.com/2019/the-freenode-issue/#comment-128287 ), but i guess instead it'll be a ... large spider ? wtf. ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2019-03-12 18:43 hanbot: http://trilema.com/2019/the-freenode-issue/ << i'm for moving, seeing no compelling reason to stay. pinging asciilifeform ave1 ben_vulpes bingoboingo danielpbarron diana_coman lobbes mod6 phf spyked trinque for inputs.
asciilifeform: hey phf do you know of a cl ircd ?
hanbot: http://trilema.com/2019/the-freenode-issue/ << i'm for moving, seeing no compelling reason to stay. pinging asciilifeform ave1 ben_vulpes bingoboingo danielpbarron diana_coman lobbes mod6 phf spyked trinque for inputs. ☟︎☟︎
deedbot: PeterL rated phf 1 << excellent log, vtools - btcbase.org/log barksinthewind.com
a111: Logged on 2019-03-10 20:00 phf: there are three possible solutions, a) make sure that stack is arbitrarily large b) feed keccak buffers no larger than some magic size c) rewrite keccak to operate on char arrays directly without the need for bitstream allocation
a111: Logged on 2019-03-10 19:44 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-10#1901176 << i'll put it to the top of the stack, i remember fixing it, but never completing the patch.
diana_coman: that seems to be at most at reading-chunk-from-file level which is not really related to keccak and not a problem if I understand correctly what phf says; specifically on one hand he said http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-10#1901225 and then option c from http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-10#1901236 ☝︎☝︎
mircea_popescu: phf pretty sure that's the wrong version of it ? iirc there was also a keccak that didn't explode ? diana_coman ?
lobbesbot: phf: Sent 2 hours ago: <asciilifeform> fughet for nao about http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-01#1899897 , but wouldja pleez fix vdiff ? and tell us what sorta swamp yer stuck in, what wouldja need to get to surface ?
a111: Logged on 2019-03-10 17:40 asciilifeform: i'd like to see phf come back to life and fix. failing this, 1 of us will have to
asciilifeform wonders if phf hung on waiting for asciilifeform to fix the mmap lib
a111: Logged on 2019-03-01 08:57 phf: asciilifeform: give me until end of march to resolve it one way or another, feel free to neg rate me then
asciilifeform: !Q later tell phf fughet for nao about http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-01#1899897 , but wouldja pleez fix vdiff ? and tell us what sorta swamp yer stuck in, what wouldja need to get to surface ? ☝︎
asciilifeform: i'd like to see phf come back to life and fix. failing this, 1 of us will have to ☟︎
asciilifeform: phf promised to fix, but then went on his ill-fated voyage
a111: Logged on 2018-10-20 01:44 asciilifeform: !Q later tell phf i found today that your keccak-vdiff is unable to eat a 40MB file ( dies politely with stack overflow )
mircea_popescu: phf ^ ?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes 's display not included i dunno why ; phf's not included for the stated reason, obscure cl machine ; lobbes 's not included because in order to be able to patch it, he had to fix various things first, you were here for the "techniocal debt" discussion last year.
mircea_popescu: not sure why phf hadn't, but possibly because it's a finnicky setup on a lispmachine he can't reproduce, ie, the "10 minutes" in that case'd have included a decade's worth of encuntoo-ating whatever cl pile he uses.
asciilifeform: i still wonder why phf and ben_vulpes didn't take a shot at genesising theirs ( asciilifeform , for instance, posted the phuctor frontend, fwliw )
a111: Logged on 2019-03-01 09:03 phf: this really has been a low priority item until i moved to russia, but now i'm stuck in secular hell, so this whole subject elicits only anger and i'd rather something good actually came out of it.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-17 15:50 mircea_popescu: some time to look at things and consider matters will be needed ; but i specifically want to hear something from asciilifeform ave1 bvt diana_coman phf spyked trinque
mircea_popescu: i see phf's having a blast tho!
a111: Logged on 2019-02-17 15:50 mircea_popescu: some time to look at things and consider matters will be needed ; but i specifically want to hear something from asciilifeform ave1 bvt diana_coman phf spyked trinque
lobbesbot: phf: Sent 1 day, 8 hours, and 12 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> i hate to become 'thread necromancer', but would really like a resolution of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-28#1875722 & the related quandaries some time before i die of old age. plox to comment.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-17 15:50 mircea_popescu: some time to look at things and consider matters will be needed ; but i specifically want to hear something from asciilifeform ave1 bvt diana_coman phf spyked trinque
a111: Logged on 2019-02-17 15:50 mircea_popescu: some time to look at things and consider matters will be needed ; but i specifically want to hear something from asciilifeform ave1 bvt diana_coman phf spyked trinque
a111: Logged on 2018-12-19 19:56 asciilifeform: phf: and wasn't 'week ago', but year + 3mo ago, when i took delivery of the 2 raw ivories.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-28 16:26 phf: asciilifeform: before you agree to a decap, give me some more time to get you the docs, maybe they'll be enough to get things going. i'd hate to lose an ivory to get some pretty but useless pictures, i'd rather it fry on a breadboard in the process of directed discovery
asciilifeform: !Q later tell phf i hate to become 'thread necromancer', but would really like a resolution of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-28#1875722 & the related quandaries some time before i die of old age. plox to comment. ☝︎
asciilifeform: hanbot: orig 'v' was an asciilifeform torture room item, but it was other folx who made it actually useful ( mircea_popescu -- conceived a philosophical foundation for it, conceptually; ben_vulpes -- documented; mod6 et al -- reimplemented , and filled missing pheature holes ; trb users -- battlefield-tested; phf -- keccakized; etc )
a111: Logged on 2019-02-24 08:16 hanbot: hey phf -- there's some shenanigans with your blog i think. http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/EVcgT/?raw=true
hanbot: hey phf -- there's some shenanigans with your blog i think. http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/EVcgT/?raw=true ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2019-02-14 23:52 asciilifeform: in ru there are some decent microscopists ( not the 1 phf went to, but apparently others. ) for instance, very recently found that К1801 ( sovok 'pdp-11' single-chip ) was ~not~ in fact a photoclone of dec's (only the early '80s demo ver was!) but , turns out, entirely indigenous orc design, with coupla x ~fewer~ transistors and yet faster max clock
asciilifeform: trinque: aah so mired in saecular matters, like phf
hanbot: right right, i mixed 'em up. and yeah, i'm planning on grabbing phf's keccak v.py in step 3, if only because i've seen diana_coman's pop up in cuntoo tests so i'd like to test the ver less traveled.
asciilifeform: both of'em use phf's keccakistic vdiff.
asciilifeform: hanbot: v.py actually exists in modern ( keccakistic ) incarnation -- there's 2 variants, largely identical , diana_coman's (the 1 i use now) and phf's (he had some incompatibility in his python iirc which required own variant)