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mircea_popescu: you need the following : a) an item which inputs lisp text and outputs opcodes ; b) and sits down on x86 bare metal. clearly to produce a running isntance of this item you will need a running instance of this item. nevertheless : you do not need c, nor any "bootstrapping" outside of this.

phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-17#1543401 << sbcl codebase ~is~ cmucl codebase, so all the same people who wrote above wrote majority of sbcl. newman's work in adding sane bootstrapping is reproducable by doing early diffs and perhaps should come as vpatch on top of cmucl since it's particularly clean. but here's the thing, the way cmucl does bootstrapping is borrowed directly from a lisp machine, and breaks down precisely because the ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2015-08-29 14:35 asciilifeform: turn it all the way down - you get a housewife

trinque: and yes, you can "go down a dangerous road" on them, and this is related to but not directly caused by dosage

ben_vulpes: !!down covertress

BingoBoingo: From herr vulpes link: "This is like a cross between a vice-grip and a crescent wrench. This is great for bath/kitchen plumbing when you need to remove stubborn fixtures and do not want to embed the channel lock/pipe wrench teeth into the chrome fixture and leave rough teeth marks on the smooth surface. The wrench locks down without marring the polished finish and it will not fall off if your hands are slippery wet. I also would like to

mircea_popescu: why pretend then. just have a honest interpreter written in c sit down and take your repl.

mircea_popescu: onsider it a crime that I squatted down and defecated on my victims -- that is really, if you'll excuse me, absurd. Defecation is an urge of nature and consequently can in no sense be criminal. All things considered, I do understand the misgivings of my defence counsel, but all the same I am hoping for a complete acquittal."

trinque: Therefore, under this system there should be no need to resort to hairy hacking when fundamental internal structures are to be changed, or to "compile it with itself a few times until things settle down". << what the fuck?

asciilifeform: trinque: nfi where, it is the fastest cl i've personally used, hands-down (hand-massaged certain items in it to beat the shit out of cpp original, even)

phf: (i'm using this "fuck you phf, love freenode" to upgrade the btcbase instance, so site is down for half hour or so)

deedbot: http://qntra.net/2016/09/alibaba-clamps-down-on-internal-theft/ << Qntra - Alibaba Clamps Down On Internal Theft

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-15#1542736 << it is a device that sits in sink trap and grinds down objects therein ☝︎

thestringpuller: so boil it down even more. write down who owes what after years of bar tab. send address, settle up.

asciilifeform: (per my estimate of the transistor count, i'd say that a 100% cycle-for-cycle clone could handily sit down in a $100 fpga and leave plenty of room for, e.g., modern colour vga, etc.)

phf: Framedragger: alf's archive link ~is~ bitsavers, it's just not like 1 pdf. it's about 200 of them, so you kind of need to narrow it down a bit

phf: Framedragger: entire set of symbolics documents is on the bitsavers, i can track down relevant bits for you, but it'll take a bit, since i was reading it on a lispm

asciilifeform: !~later tell mircea_popescu dulap is down and i have no idea why. dead ping.

a111: Logged on 2016-09-15 01:21 mod6: asciilifeform: anyway, don't mean to sound like a d. i think, lol, that I've come to the conclusion that I might have to make a special 'alf' version that is stripped down of all functionality that does any automatic fetching of source or seals.

mod6: asciilifeform: anyway, don't mean to sound like a d. i think, lol, that I've come to the conclusion that I might have to make a special 'alf' version that is stripped down of all functionality that does any automatic fetching of source or seals. ☟︎☟︎

asciilifeform: !~later tell mod6 i sat down to play with trinque's bots for kicks, and with your vtron, and noticed that the latter does not like to be 'init'-ed twice for 2 separate projects in one local dir. is this intentional ? and i still have problem grasping why we have the 'init' thing...

asciilifeform: 'Someone Is Learning How to Take Down the Internet' (schneier).

asciilifeform: and are all folk who climbed on the pig and then climbed down.

asciilifeform: just as left, right, up, down...

mircea_popescu: but in the 80 years hence, slowly wound down back to their hole.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'the cow barn looked great after the mansion next door was burned down by drunken sons of old man rockefeller'

mircea_popescu: da fuck i care that he feels equal to the plumber down the street and the banker two streets down and in the legobox that plays the role of his thinker they're "all the same" plastic figurines.

pete_dushenski: it came to me not in a dream but just as i was falling asleep. i didn't write the 'bot directory' idea down because... same reason einstein didn't carry notebook

mircea_popescu is very happy he sat down to try and pin down that spec.

asciilifeform: now one interesting scenario is if the flying machine dropped ~itself~ as a bomb, using propellers for course correction on the way down.

a111: Logged on 2015-02-14 05:25 asciilifeform: 'You can drop a mouse down a thousand-yard mine shaft; and, on arriving at the bottom, it gets a slight shock and walks away, provided that the ground is fairly soft. A rat is killed, a man is broken, a horse splashes.'

asciilifeform: btw if yer firing straight down, why not shotgun shell.

asciilifeform: ideally straight down.

asciilifeform: they don't scale down from that size.

asciilifeform: as a receiver it's pretty good (but no shortwave without a freq. down-converter, iirc)

ben_vulpes: one of the other things i had scribbled down is that asciilifeform wants a crypto-hard wall against "teh ddos", and mircea_popescu appears satisfied that uninformed idiots who can't find keys are enough of a pill against the ddos. i don't see how this is an improvement on the ip address, which the average netizen is entirely uncognizant of.

a111: Logged on 2016-09-11 15:14 Framedragger: [lol, massive outage of servers (http://gedimai.iv.lt/?id=493) - "we hereby inform that presently the majority of our network nodes are experiencing issues [read, are +/- down]; therefore the servers behind said nodes may be unreachable." i'll bitchslap them after they recover

Framedragger: mircea_popescu and everyone, so just in case it was unclear, everything to do with mkj.lt is down 'cause (apparently, as of now) the network is down. cause as of yet unknown, as they've confirmed when i called. the system also helpfully informs me that server is using 64.50 GB out of available 10.00 GB, and the free disk space available ("-54.50 GB") is less than the recommended free space amount. things shall be migrated, i will however wait fo

Framedragger: [lol, massive outage of servers (http://gedimai.iv.lt/?id=493) - "we hereby inform that presently the majority of our network nodes are experiencing issues [read, are +/- down]; therefore the servers behind said nodes may be unreachable." i'll bitchslap them after they recover ☟︎

Framedragger: so apparently the hosting provider which i've been paying since 2008 without sweat just went down. like, i can't load their homepage and client area. they better have a good explanation for entire cluster going down

asciilifeform: 'I do not know why Satoshi did not decide to include a transaction time stamp. It's only 4 bytes, and it is a valuable piece of information that people really need access to. For now, all you can do is use the timestamp of the block and hope that's close enough for government work. And by government work, I mean close enough for tax and accounting purposes. Since the value of bitcoin is very volatile and can go up and down by mas

ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-10#1538902 << you'll probably find this as useful as any other rodent carcass left on your pillow, but over the last 2 months i've racked my own metal, migrated out of virtualization to the new box, ported my blog to mp-wp, and stood the obvious tmsr services up on the new box (blog, paster, node). it doesn't look like much from the outside, but paying down debt of necessity ☝︎

asciilifeform: 'oops i meant - 'down' not 'drown' !'

ben_vulpes: i did eventually run the citation down, 'twas some less than thirty old men with beginning signs of alzheimers who realized they all had vasectomies

asciilifeform: because it, say, burns down at last.

pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-08#1537375 << there are a few references on contravex as well. eg. http://www.contravex.com/2014/11/24/bitcoin-year-in-review-2014-the-price-went-down-so-we-prepared-for-war/#footnote_8_1928 ☝︎

asciilifeform: ( down side is that it is too much like work )

mod6: <+mircea_popescu> http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160908/#1160 << so basically we got v running twice ? << yeah, which wont do. after my monologue earlier, I have a hunch that I might be able to get it down to a single press.

shinohai takes down the samovar to make tea for this discussion.

PeterL: Guy in prison uses a spoon to dig tunnel out, pops up in a playground, jumps up and down shouting "I'm free, I'm free." A little girl walks up to him and says "So what? I'm four!"

asciilifeform: in other olds, 'However, after two days of eating MealSquares, I was desperate for anything else. I wolfed down my tupperware of weird gruel almost immediately upon getting to the office on Wednesday morning. It was the opposite of the problem I'd had with the MealSquares, which took me so long to get down that I wasn't physically able to consume enough calories in one day to properly function.'

mircea_popescu: "Whilst the misguided follower climbs with pain mountains of whimseys, heaped in his own brain, stumbling from thought to thought, falls headlong down into doubt's boundless sea where, like to drown, books bear him up awhile, and make him try to swim with bladders of philosophy."

mircea_popescu: aand in other lelz, "I can't imagine any foreigner writing down 3 lines of non error text for my life of it. Greeks are not easy to be mastered and he is using them without a mistake. what is considered to be an exception even in between Greeks."

mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160908/from:333/to:333#333 << if you use special order gear the correct move is to put it in the last layer. not like YOUR ROUTER is going down. having the collection of pipes work on heathen hardware is fine ; and until and unless you actually replace all internet infrastructure with s.nsa gear, your sweat used here is sweat wasted.

BingoBoingo: And then goes down to back up blockchain and block index

ascii_zimbabwe: fiber dead. zoolag and asciilifeform down until tomorrow noon at earliest.

mircea_popescu: and why not ? the way these things work, "everyone knew" what the sa was up to. except, of course, for everyone, from pappen down.

asciilifeform falls down.

mircea_popescu: !!down alice_

BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> this happens, just like at your university, in the manner the elders decide. and not the manner the novice prefers. << Unless your university is new Social Justice Mizzou that wants to tear down the original Thomas Jefferson grave marker,

trinque: what, you need me to negrate you to make the point? calm down

phf: but there's a nifty way to bring down both bots, which i think i should fix asap

mircea_popescu: if someone shouts "down with the government" and then tries to grab a policeman's gun, he will be prosecuted ; and he will obviously claim "it's political". nevertheless...

BingoBoingo: !!down alice_

trinque: !!down alice_

ben_vulpes: in other news, the much-maligned littoral combat ships can't keep water out of their engine lube systems and so the surface force commander has ordered the entire 'fleet' stand down

asciilifeform pictures assemblage of bots carrying on here, long after we all went down in atomic dirigible crashes

mircea_popescu: the talking heads are 0cost faux people ; and most of their subject matter, from hussein bahamas down.

trinque: Framedragger: calm down

mircea_popescu: "no favoritism" they wanted ; and "equality" they wanted, and "down with corruption and old boys networks", they wanted.

pete_dushenski: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160906/from:45/to:45#45 << why wouldn't you still be welcome ? i dunno if i've been skimming the logs too lightly but i don't recall a part where mp said that having bots/services go down/be replaced meant out-and-out excommunication. afaik mike_c, for example, is still welcome.

phf: that is fair, but i'm not yet sure if it was cmucl networking stack not keeping up, or digitalocean being saturated. in either case it could've been brought down by increasing the number of attacking bots.

mircea_popescu: i nearly fell down

mircea_popescu: lol simmar down alfie.

mircea_popescu: -spb- [Global Notice] I'll be shutting services down in around ten minutes, for (hopefully) around ten minutes. If you'd like to grab ops in your channels just in case, now is the time to do it. Apologies for the inconvenience! << which opens the eternal dilemma - "is this going to be permanent and i'ma regret not opping ?"

mircea_popescu: "This faucet has A LOT of options. Since I don’t have time to write them all down I created a video explaining everything you need to know about the faucet" << this somehow made sense, to someone.

mircea_popescu: and to wash BingoBoingo 's heresies down, http://67.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_llcw0251Xc1qbznsao1_r1_1280.jpg

mircea_popescu: there's no meta-nsa, there's no anything. the dogvomit is dogvomit all the way down.

mircea_popescu: ah. toning it down from config dun help ?

shinohai: Come to Columbia with me thestringpuller, mebbe there is still a trilema girl down there you can hook up with

thestringpuller: Basically I go straight there after work, and drink with buddies until traffic dies down then it's like a chill 25 minute drive home instead of 40 minute to 1 hour drive.

boolcrap: what other fruit do you have down there

asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu colour me thick, but i still dun get why 'oh noez there'll be 2100000000000000 potentially-movable satoshis.' everybody still gets to sit down in 1MB block. so tx-ing will be eventually like what launching satellite to orbit is today - had better be worth the cost. but will still work quite the same.

pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2015/09/11/down-to-the-last-satoshi-now-with-bonus-poem/ << lol i even levitan'd it

asciilifeform falls down

mod6: oh, and with those turn of the century disks; after grinding them down with the sanding block -- they're like solid aluminum. so i cut them into tiny pieces with these:

mircea_popescu: in more down to earth americana, https://archive.is/N4JvF - blondy kidnapped, gang-raped, murdered and fed to gators. pretty girl, too.

asciilifeform: '- You're a great one for the fighting Bill, I know, but you can't fight forever. - I can go down doing it. - And you will. - What did you say? - I said, you're turning you back on the future. - Not our future.'

asciilifeform: but when g_l writes in that 'let's all bus in voters to the polls in shitsackistan' - i must confess, my ears sadly fall down.

asciilifeform: or do we now arbitrarily get to cut a problem down to where all of the actual moving parts are somehow 'elsewhere' ?

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform as ridiculous as it sounds, it's true. the world's upside down, i will not trust an "honest man" because, simply put, http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160830/from:256/to:256#256

asciilifeform: i'm willing to bet that if phf's creation were sat down on a reasonably ~sane~ lisp system, e.g., sbcl, it would run stably.

mircea_popescu: laugh all you want at the lamp shitstack, but you can't take down qtra via wget

mircea_popescu: woman "is liberated" so she should get job, right ? she should be respected, right ? he's a liberal, don't forget. he thinks the girls should flock to him because he exists, and because he "never agreed to" they not flocking to him. and similarly buildings - once he decided they should fall down, THEY SHOULD FALL DOWN.

asciilifeform: schmuck could have bit down, went to trade school, learned to be a demolitionist; or become fire inspector, learn how to arson properly; or programmer, and ...

mircea_popescu: he got the "rape" game down pat, does he ?

Framedragger: ;;later tell phf you may consider https://www.scaleway.com/pricing/ instead of digitalocean, or at least give it a try as one of them "bot mirrors" that you'd mentioned. there "BareMetal" (didn't try) and VPS (down below - works as advertised, no formal benchmarks tho). cheap.

Framedragger: i recognize the middle of the three cops there who is (of course) the dude who did the tazing. he tells the shouting poor fella to calm down and that "they will change their mind when this happens to them". then grunts something and is dissatisfied obviously.

BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The "Mission Accomplished" banner? 1 down 199 to go!