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BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Valgrind?
jurov: ben_vulpes: paste it?
ben_vulpes: oh sorry, too much brevity.
ben_vulpes: the compiler poops a binary onto disk.
jurov: lol
ben_vulpes: i have no idea what's actually *in* the thing.
Apocalyptic: poops a binary onto disk without anything on stdout or stderr ?
Apocalyptic: what compiler is this
ben_vulpes: no, it makes sensible output.
jurov: make can be set up to be silent
ben_vulpes: i can paste for you.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25400 @ 0.0007406 = 18.8112 BTC [+] {2}
jurov: i dont understand. it's not ./bitcoind but something other?
Apocalyptic: <jurov> make can be set up to be silent // sure, everthing can be
ben_vulpes: no it's fine absolutely fine everything is fine
ben_vulpes: (as fine as the cpp bitcoin turd can be)
jurov: oh you drama queen
Apocalyptic: heh
ben_vulpes: jurov: what was the stack smashing you were talking about recently?
ben_vulpes: -f-stack-protector?
jurov: oh that makes gcc to place a canary on the stack and crash if it's overwritten
jurov: *makes gcc to generate code to...
ben_vulpes: ah k
Apocalyptic: ben_vulpes, have you read the HARDENING section in the makefile ? I think there is one from 0.6.2, not sure before
ben_vulpes: kinda looks like that's in there already, jurov
ben_vulpes: HARDENING=fno-stack-protector -fstack-protector-all -Wstack-protector
ben_vulpes: xCXXFLAGS=....$(HARDENING)
jurov: mkay
jurov: In gcc 4.9, the new option -fstack-protector-strong is supported.
jurov: but you should be fine
ben_vulpes: 1 warning, but i think it's fine: https://www.refheap.com/92127
assbot: anonymous's paste: 92127
ben_vulpes doesn't actually know c - the horror!
jurov: ah, nothig that could not be fixed by rm -rf /
ben_vulpes: rm -rf / solves all problems
ben_vulpes: look ma, problems?
joecool: i like rm -fr /
jurov: "french cleaning"
BingoBoingo: i++ solves problems too...
ben_vulpes: ;;ud french cleaning
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pipe%20cleaning | The act of having sexual intercourse with a woman while she is having her period with the intention to help her "clean her pipe".
ben_vulpes: pwahahaha
joecool: rip fleanode
ben_vulpes: irc.serenissima.butts when
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BingoBoingo: !b 2 ✂︎
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00074064 = 9.9986 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4933 @ 0.00074064 = 3.6536 BTC [+]
ben_vulpes: can we start counting in years since the first coinbase yet? ☟︎
jurov: what is the "first coinbase"?
ben_vulpes: block zero
ben_vulpes: http://blockexplorer.com/block/000000000019d6689c085ae165831e934ff763ae46a2a6c172b3f1b60a8ce26f
assbot: Block 0 - Bitcoin Block Explorer
ben_vulpes: jan 3rd, 2009
ben_vulpes: puts us in the fifth year of our savior satoshi
ben_vulpes: !up KayTheFlower
ben_vulpes: say please and thank you
cazalla: http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2014/10/21/u-s-accidentally-delivered-weapons-to-the-islamic-state-by-airdrop-militants-allege/
assbot: U.S. accidentally delivered weapons to the Islamic State by airdrop, militants say - The Washington Post
KayTheFlower: yay
KayTheFlower: ben_vulpes, thank you
jurov: ;;blocks
gribble: 326384
jurov: ;;calc 326384/365/24/6
gribble: 6.2097412481
ben_vulpes: what d'you have for us, KayTheFlower?
KayTheFlower: idk
jurov: sixth year you heretic!
jurov: year has now 52560 blocks
TheNewDeal: asciilifeform how old are ye, if it's ok to ask?
ben_vulpes: ;;calc 2014 - 2009
gribble: 5
jurov: ben_vulpes is weak in the faith
Apocalyptic: ben_vulpes, yeah, but you start at year 1
ben_vulpes: "the first year"
ben_vulpes: year 0
ben_vulpes: i don't think these are exclusive
ben_vulpes: gotta wait for the shartup to come along claiming "zeroth best amazingth" i guess now
ben_vulpes: foomazingh
ben_vulpes: fooamazingh
ben_vulpes: foo\amazingh
Apocalyptic: they are not indeed
ben_vulpes: assbot must run on lisp machines
ben_vulpes: unhackable
jurov: 1 is the penultimate number
Apocalyptic: but it flaws your logic as has been demonstrated
ben_vulpes: ah jesus what happened to my maths
jurov: weak fith, as i said
jurov: *faith
jurov: repent!
ben_vulpes: i plead the fith
BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/hashtag/TwitterTorLockout?src=hash
assbot: Tweets over #TwitterTorLockout op Twitter.
jurov: http://www.portfolio.hu/en/economy/hungary_to_impose_internet_levy_in_2015_tax_plans_show.28561.html
assbot: PORTFOLIO.HU | Hungary to impose Internet levy in 2015, tax plans show
jurov: about half euro/GB
jurov: such progressive
Apocalyptic: heh
kakobrekla: yea, is not so bad here in somalia
jurov: the Internet tax is estimated to generate HUF 20 bn for the budget
jurov: ;;calc 20000000000/150
gribble: 133333333.333
jurov: 133 exabytes?
Apocalyptic: Orban is expecting the blocksize increase ofc
kakobrekla: log is back up and now works on a 30sec delay
jurov: to prevent naked boob sightings?
kakobrekla: its a different box
kakobrekla: also mirror coming possibly tomorrow
BingoBoingo: Beautiful
kakobrekla: or day after, ill be sorta away tomorro
ben_vulpes: oop kakobrekla making product mistakes
ben_vulpes: features
ben_vulpes: deadlines
ben_vulpes: commitments
kakobrekla: lol
jurov: kako ist the 0th bestest
ben_vulpes: no fith
BingoBoingo: condiments
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7100 @ 0.00074064 = 5.2585 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: !up paxtoncamaro91
ben_vulpes: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/10/21_instructions-on-building-bitcoin-053-from-source-on-debian-6-squeeze.html
assbot: Instructions on Building Bitcoin 0.5.3 from Source on Debian 6 (Squeeze)
decimation: kakobrekla: where in somalia do you live? the mog?
kakobrekla: its actually slovenia. i write somalia so mp doesnt get confused.
decimation: lol
asciilifeform: TheNewDeal: ~31
asciilifeform: TheNewDeal: why
TheNewDeal: just curious, was reading loper.os from 2009 and I'm trying to get an idea of author age
jurov: did you guess?
asciilifeform: TheNewDeal: what was your guess?
TheNewDeal: ahhh I hadn't formatted a guess!
TheNewDeal: should have questioned before revealing the answer
asciilifeform: lol
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: asciilifeform is old enought to come to his Loper position out of actual bitterness rather than n00b kid delusion, but still young enough to hope he has the decades to realize them.
BingoBoingo: My initial guess placed asciilifeform in his later 30's
asciilifeform: i've had folks write in who guess 50s or even more.
BingoBoingo: I saw them in your comments
jurov: over two decades of such bitterness? hard to imagine
decimation: asciilifeform: you were probably born about 30 years late
TheNewDeal: I wouldnt have been suprised if you said 50
RagnarDanneskjol: I'd bet 42-45
ben_vulpes: lol
ben_vulpes: guessing after the reveal
ben_vulpes: what is this, late bettor hour?
RagnarDanneskjol: ahh I missed it
asciilifeform: i think someone even asked before
kakobrekla: RagnarDanneskjol no refund.
RagnarDanneskjol: ha
jurov: hi othernubs`
jurov: got my torah suggestion?
othernubs`: asciilifeform, you want to include qt source code or leave it out?
BingoBoingo: !up reggiesells
othernubs`: jurov, nod
asciilifeform: othernubs`: out
mircea_popescu: kay the flower ?!
asciilifeform: othernubs`: wait 0.6 is qt already
BingoBoingo: Wait, there's two nubs nao?
asciilifeform: ?
jurov: so, openssl stays in :DDDD
othernubs`: is there an easy way you can tag which files you'd like?
asciilifeform: mebbe we ought to do 0.1 ?
othernubs`: asciilifeform, there's a /src/qt/ anyway
asciilifeform: when exactly did the worthwhile patches end...
asciilifeform digs through notes
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Maybe I recall wrong but I think the switch from wx widgets to Qt happened ~0.3.X-ish
othernubs`: github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/releases
kakobrekla: if its for masturbation only, then prolly 0.1 is a better call
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: depends
decimation: it would be useful if someone 'hardforked' 0.6 and maintained it
asciilifeform: decimation: i think mircea_popescu does?
kakobrekla: decimation 'hardfork' != 'hard print' :)
decimation: does he? is there a repo?
decimation: heh
asciilifeform doesn't recall seeing it, possibly he never bothered publishing
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ?
ben_vulpes: decimation: why 0.6?
decimation: ben_vulpes: I donno, I haven't looked into that in detail
decimation: I guess we want a version without idiotic patches
asciilifeform: which'd be the earliest that would interoperate with the majority of extant nodes?
ben_vulpes digs through notes as well
decimation: that's a good question, and should be answerable. Don't the clients identify with a string?
othernubs`: asciilifeform, looks like /src/qt has been there since late september 2011
decimation: it's not in 0.1
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The earliest is going to probably be 0.4 or late 0.3.x series
othernubs`: 0.4.0 does not have qt, 0.5.0 does
BingoBoingo: patches to the bdb conf because... Hearn sucks
othernubs`: it was merged just before 0.4.1
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu care to share your 0.6 patch set for the paper codex?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes: my 0.5.3 node hasn't barfed yet
BingoBoingo: othernubs`: qt not necessary to interact with majority of nodes
othernubs`: no, course not
asciilifeform never once in his life used the qt ver
othernubs`: you can build either bitcoin-qt or bitcoind with the same codebase
othernubs`: there's instructions for both
othernubs`: (see bitcoin-0.x.x/INSTALL)
asciilifeform: i'd sorta like all the gui-isms snipped
asciilifeform would do it himself but lazy, hence the impetus for the whole proposal
decimation: I like how the old releases are marked 'obsolete'
othernubs`: heh yeah
ben_vulpes: they're running out of levers to drive adoption otherwise
othernubs`: not deprecated ;p
othernubs`: OBSOLETE
decimation: which is why a hardfork with a different name is necessary, so the n00bs can be educated
asciilifeform: 'axe-time, sword-time, coming closer...'
othernubs`: 84% of user agents report 0.8.5 or newer
decimation: right but what percent of miners?
decimation: weighted by hash
decimation: !up paxtoncamaro91
decimation: !up ukyo
decimation: !up username0
TheNewDeal: ukyo
asciilifeform: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2014/10/how-to-start-war-and-lose-empire.html
assbot: ClubOrlov: How to start a war and lose an empire
othernubs`: decimation, no idea
asciilifeform: '...Obama is still more popular than Ebola, but not by much.'
mod6: ben_vulpes: thanks for putting that script together.
othernubs`: you tell me!
TheNewDeal: like the bitfunder ukyo?
ben_vulpes: decimation: how would one ever know?
ben_vulpes: mod6: glad you like it!
mod6: when it's ready are you gonna put it up on github or some place?
decimation: nothing other than voluntary disclosure I guess
ben_vulpes: what, is my personal site not adequate?
ben_vulpes: it's not meant for curl2sudo broheims
mod6: it's fine im sure. i'll look for the link. just saw the paste from before.
ben_vulpes: hehe
ben_vulpes: yeah, take a look
ben_vulpes: i'd love your code review as well sir
othernubs`: decimation, i'm actually having a hard time finding numbers on miner stats
mod6: ok np. i'll take a look
ben_vulpes: i think its sanely factored. far more so than pankakke's obfuscated bash competition entry.
BingoBoingo: <othernubs`> 84% of user agents report 0.8.5 or newer << Occasional 0.8.x node may be considered polite in allowing certain SPV clients connectivity.
othernubs`: ah, heh.
ben_vulpes: occasional 0.5.3 node may advertise itself as 0.9 for reasons of camoflauge
BingoBoingo: othernubs`> decimation, i'm actually having a hard time finding numbers on miner stats << Pool ops rarely run "stock" parts
othernubs`: ben_vulpes, but to what end
ben_vulpes: why so as to not get whacked
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17300 @ 0.00074064 = 12.8131 BTC [+]
ben_vulpes: nail that sticks up gets smacked down, as the nips say
asciilifeform: now if only someone of actual consequence were willing to share what he actually uses...
decimation: X-Rob: you are a miner right? what client do you run?
decimation: " The Americans invaded Afghanistan because the Taleban would not relinquish Osama Bin Laden (who was a CIA operative) unless Americans produced evidence implicating him in 9/11—which did not exist. " lol orlov
decimation: don't tell me orlov is a 'truther'
BingoBoingo: http://www.theangrypharmacist.com/archives/2014/10/norpocalypse.html
assbot: The Angry Pharmacist » Blog Archive » Norpocalypse
BingoBoingo: decimation: Well in the 80's Bin Laden was a CIA asset
asciilifeform doesn't buy even half of mr. bush & co.'s fairy tale either.
othernubs`: asciilifeform, you want the JSON code or no? i'd deem it crufty unless you particularly want it
asciilifeform: snipsnip.
asciilifeform: make sure result builds.
othernubs`: makefiles?
asciilifeform: yes
decimation: lol syntax highlight the m4
asciilifeform: result must not only build but actually function
asciilifeform: (e.g. multi-dest sends)
mircea_popescu: and now to logs.
BingoBoingo: othernubs`: What are your printing specs on this looking like?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22525 @ 0.00073982 = 16.6644 BTC [-]
mod6: any reason for deb 6 and not the latest?
othernubs`: BingoBoingo, i'm a few days away from even attempting to answer that
BingoBoingo: othernubs`: Mostly I'm just wondering about the sort of paper you are printing on.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14650 @ 0.00073912 = 10.8281 BTC [-]
ben_vulpes: https://github.com/istib/helm-aws << ahahahaha
assbot: istib/helm-aws GitHub
othernubs`: probably Cougar 65lb white
ben_vulpes: now that just goes too goddamn far i tell you
asciilifeform: ideally this should be precisely the kind of paper found in the 1st edition of kernighan & ritchie's 'c'.
ben_vulpes: configuring instances by hand is not allowed, emacs or no
othernubs`: depends on final page count
asciilifeform: 1978.
othernubs`: asciilifeform, /src/test/* ?
asciilifeform: nope
asciilifeform: just the pieces necessary for function.
othernubs`: barest bones, IOW
asciilifeform: barest that can walk.
othernubs`: 50MB windows install
asciilifeform: lol, was it really?
othernubs`: lel jk
decimation: 65 pound paper is pretty heavy isn't it?
othernubs`: ah, i can only test osx compile
othernubs`: decimation, it's not bad for large sheets. thinner paper rips
asciilifeform: k&r paper.
decimation: yeah I could see that
asciilifeform: glossy, indestructible.
othernubs`: right now i'm thinking like folio size, that may change
othernubs`: k&r paper, hm
asciilifeform: fixed font only, if that needed saying
othernubs`: natch
mod6: ben_vulpes: <+mod6> any reason for deb 6 and not the latest?
othernubs`: you have a preference for thicker or thinner?
othernubs`: say terminal vs courier new
ben_vulpes: mod6: it's what was in production during that 0.5.3 release
mod6: ah. ok.
othernubs`: asciilifeform, the library's closed, care to stab a guess at the paper weight in k&r?
mod6: im gonna build up a vm of this and give your script a try: debian-6.0.10-amd64-CD-1.iso
joecool: i have a copy of that around, is there a way to test?
othernubs` shrugs helplessly
ben_vulpes: mod6: i'd be thrilled if you'd test it for me. i've been testing it against an amazon image, but more eyes etc etc etc
ben_vulpes: pull the latest from cascadianhacker.com if you'd be so kind
othernubs`: you have any other paper of known make to compare it to?
mod6: yup, found it over here: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/10/21_instructions-on-building-bitcoin-053-from-source-on-debian-6-squeeze.html
assbot: Instructions on Building Bitcoin 0.5.3 from Source on Debian 6 (Squeeze)
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal: mircea_popescu was that AdamIRaway guy really a developer in the MMADX platform? << i have no idea. he said no. one of the guys he lists as associates was involved with it.
TheNewDeal: Gotcha, was curious why the connection was established
mod6: so far, looks ok. im nazi about some spacing, but it looks functional ;)
mod6: let you know more when I know more.
BingoBoingo thinks archival paper, /me thinks something like http://www.cometsupply.com/mp/EPSON+AMERICA/pm/EPSSP91203/r/ga/?gclid=CLX1_deXv8ECFcRcMgodfREAqA
decimation: ben_vulpes: that's a helpful blog (your summary of major changes)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19150 @ 0.00073526 = 14.0802 BTC [-] {2}
othernubs`: Cougar is acid-free archival quality ;)
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal well it;s in the log, but anyway, guy goes "we're doing x with a b c and d". since b worked on x' 5 years ago and x' went nowhere after initial enthusiasm, a reasonable probing.
mircea_popescu: decimation innit.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> glossy, indestructible. << long term problem with glossy paper is it tends to flake.. Not just ink, but white surface...
TheNewDeal: I am catching up the logs, which is why I brought it up
mircea_popescu: yeah maybe a good idea to use low acid paper
decimation: my good bible is printed on very thin but weirdly strong paper. thin paper is nice, in the sense that it tends to lie flat
mircea_popescu: decimation cotton paper. expensive.
othernubs`: BingoBoingo, asciilifeform the paper i've got in mind is almost precisely double the weight of standard white bond paper, acid-free, archival quality, semi-gloss finish, 98 brightness
mod6: i can't believe that pinwheel said he was still gonna hard-fork in the AMA (thx for readers digest qntra) even after this: http://trilema.com/2014/usgavin-the-lolcow/ | I suspect that he reads trilema too. lollerskates.
assbot: USGavin, the lolcow pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
decimation: yeah it wasn't cheap
othernubs`: decimation, mircea_popescu bibles are like fine cigarette papers, made from rice
mircea_popescu: nah, it's cotton/linen
mircea_popescu: ;;google india paper
gribble: India paper - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India_paper>; What is India Paper and How is it Used? - Desktop Publishing: <http://desktoppub.about.com/od/glossary/g/India-Paper.htm>; India Paper: <http://www.indiapaper.com/>
othernubs`: brb
BingoBoingo: othernubs`: Ah
mircea_popescu: mod6 the funny thign is that it'll fail, and he'll still bitch and pretend like he's involved in bitcoin
mircea_popescu: even after that
mircea_popescu: i mean, not like either him or hearn quit after the previous failed fork debacle.
mircea_popescu: and, exactly like described in the quoted thing, idiots and imbeciles on reddit will congratulate him for "having saved" bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: weird world, the us.
ben_vulpes: mod6: let me know what style inputs you have
mod6: yea! remember that?! he was all "NO ONE SEND ANY COINZ!!!111 ROLL BACK!"
othernubs`: india paper, how bout that!!
TheNewDeal: ping Ukyo
ben_vulpes: mod6: lol "functional" as in the programming style or "functional" in that "kinda sorta mebbe works"
othernubs`: anyway, OOTQ for this
mircea_popescu: othernubs` i was also briefly in publishing.
mod6 bangs head
mod6: ben_vulpes: in the sense that "this looks like it works" :}
othernubs`: mircea_popescu, so you're spilling your seekrit code fork or what?!
mircea_popescu: wait wut ?
BingoBoingo: !up moldysnizz
othernubs` scrolls up helplessly
othernubs`: check your ;;later tells
decimation: it also has nice smith-sewn double binding with soft leather
mircea_popescu: oh. no, i've not published a bitcoin fork.
othernubs`: not yet
BingoBoingo would like to see more books made of Tyvek and similar
mircea_popescu: the future's not ours to tell...
mod6: the only fork should be rolling back to pre-powerranger derpitude. too bad about atc tho.
othernubs`: well, if a mysterious manuscript shows up here...
othernubs`: mod6, 0.3.19 is last "satoshi code"
mod6: yeah, that was pre-DBD tho iirc.
mod6: bah *BDB
mircea_popescu: lol @the silbert thing and generally bitpay's derpage. seriously, they think they're going to compete with us as a closed source usg-agent ?
othernubs`: BingoBoingo, tyvek is possible with our setup, but golden-toilet-y
mircea_popescu: jesus the things hard drugs do to people.
BingoBoingo: othernubs`: Just think of all of that longetivity though...
othernubs`: pro inks on acid-free paper lasts quite a while too
BingoBoingo: braille punched out of teflon seems super from a machine readable perspective too.
othernubs`: tyvek would be great if you're installing it in an outdoor park
mod6: <+ben_vulpes> mod6: let me know what style inputs you have << once tested, will do!
ben_vulpes: functional inputs vastly more important though
mod6: it's trivial. you'll lul
joecool: othernubs`: could you do a building wrap with it?
BingoBoingo: othernubs`: Well.. you gotta think centuries instead of decades
mircea_popescu: omfg hussling the nubbin!
othernubs`: BingoBoingo, almost sounds like you're footing the bill :)
BingoBoingo: othernubs`: Well if you get this set up I may eventually want a copy.
mod6: me too
mod6: plzkthx
mod6: can you make one out of stone?
mod6 laughs
mircea_popescu: gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pipe%20cleaning | The act of having sexual intercourse with a woman while she is having her period with the intention to help her "clean her pipe". <<< actually, there's a special cannula procedure for this
assbot: Urban Dictionary: pipe cleaning
ben_vulpes: hussling? is this some odd mix of hassling and hustling?
mircea_popescu: ;;google Karman cannula
gribble: Karman cannula - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karman_cannula>; Karman's cannula and vacuum aspirator in gynecological practice.: <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2607982/>; Flexible Karman Cannulae - HPSRx: <http://www.hpsrx.com/assets/flexible_karman_cannulae.pdf>
othernubs`: so if we're going with 0.6.0, i'm gonna need to know what's required and what's not for a minimum build
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes no, it's the hustling of hussies.
othernubs`: if anyone's interested in being immortalized in the thank-yous, let me know
mircea_popescu: othernubs` sure, how's that go ?
ben_vulpes: yeah i'll take free credit for no work
othernubs`: heh
mircea_popescu: I READ THE LOG!!!
mircea_popescu: hater.
othernubs`: no free lunch
mircea_popescu: othernubs` well ?
othernubs`: i want a list of files req'd to build a minimal working install
othernubs`: all the news that's fit to print and none that's not
mircea_popescu: lmao @ hungary
mircea_popescu: everything thinks it's a country now.
asciilifeform: othernubs`: see ubiquitous 'lions book' that we're imitating: http://v6.cuzuco.com/v6.pdf ☟︎
asciilifeform: othernubs`: can we lift font there?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25600 @ 0.00073673 = 18.8603 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: what is this, late bettor hour? <<< asciilifeform will keep his bet now.
othernubs`: asciilifeform, yeah, no prob
mircea_popescu: decimation: it would be useful if someone 'hardforked' 0.6 and maintained it << quite.
mircea_popescu: and actually, i AM looking for binary maintainers for gentoo/debian(ubuntu)/windoze/etc for a bunch of code
mircea_popescu: namely, eulora, btc, there';s a lot of work to do, and it's paid.
mircea_popescu: so how about someone hit me up on it.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: pipe << popular in usa in certain circles, in the '70s, i'm told
mircea_popescu: after all, if usgavin wants a fork, he can have a fork, what's the big deal.
mircea_popescu: decimation: does he? is there a repo? << there's no repo.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: which'd be the earliest that would interoperate with the majority of extant nodes? << last hard fork was to .4, so technically anything. but i'd say a .6 something'd be the best choice.
mircea_popescu: decimation: which is why a hardfork with a different name is necessary, so the n00bs can be educated << no. the name is bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: usgavin can make usbitcoin, or they can have gavin & mike's extra special bitcoin-identical flavouring "i can't believe it's not blockchain"
decimation: heh yeah that's legit.
mircea_popescu: but the notion that .9 is "bitcoin" is laughable on its face.
decimation: over time the distros will be convinced
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25500 @ 0.00074018 = 18.8746 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: what's next, bitcoin foundation is not a scam parasitizing this space but an actual representative ?
othernubs`: if you're going 0.6 you might as well do 0.6.3
mircea_popescu: there's not enough lsd in the world...
mircea_popescu: and if anyone wants to start a .6 mine, i'll chip in.
mircea_popescu: decimation: rightbut what percent of miners? << better q, what % of coinbase :p
decimation: heh
othernubs`: asciilifeform, v6.pdf appears to be using straight-up courier bold for code
mircea_popescu: you know, just like, "what % of gas station are selling the new gas ?" "dunno, but what % of cars use it ?"
othernubs`: we'll need to put a color name on this
othernubs`: the ____ book
TheNewDeal: mircea_popescu: there's not enough lsd in the world... << agreed
asciilifeform: !s triple power over the forces of hell
assbot: 1 results for 'triple power over the forces of hell' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=triple+power+over+the+forces+of+hell
mircea_popescu: The Pink-Violet Book of Bitcoin ?
othernubs`: the blurple book
mircea_popescu: ahahhaha
asciilifeform: vomit book?
othernubs`: compact disc took most of the basic colors
mircea_popescu: The True Book of Bitcoin
Apocalyptic: <othernubs`> if you're going 0.6 you might as well do 0.6.3 // funny thing is, last commit on 0.6.3 is Jun 19, 2012
BingoBoingo: <othernubs`> compact disc took most of the basic colors << Oreilly and pick an animal
mircea_popescu: Bitcoin's Book of Jesus ?
asciilifeform: koraktor!
othernubs`: Apocalyptic, is that indeed funny?
asciilifeform: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koraktor
assbot: Koraktor Wikipedia
decimation: theres the rainbow series from nsa
BingoBoingo: <gribble> #21599 || publio || SELL 1.0 ATC @ 1000 Satoshi || None << Interesting
Apocalyptic: othernubs`, nevermind, was gonna compare to the last commit on 0.6.2 which somehow showed me to be in 2011
Apocalyptic: which is nonsense
othernubs`: grey book sounds serious enough and is underutilized
othernubs`: but then the cover has to be grey
Apocalyptic: I guess 0.6.3 should be ok
othernubs`: it seems to be mostly mac bugfixes
othernubs`: okay, informal name and cover art decided
othernubs`: the rest should come together quickly
othernubs`: anyone got that file list yet?
asciilifeform surprised how much interest from folks who aren't him
mircea_popescu: it's 3 in the morning and the log is 500 lines ya buncha chatterboxes.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you're among friends.
othernubs`: ^
mircea_popescu: also, nubs had decent success with the posters iirc
othernubs`: yep, the forums would eat this book
asciilifeform: who else, i wonder, wishes for one of these
mircea_popescu: which reminds me, The20YearIRCloud any renters yet ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform he's prollly going to sell a hundred, you kidding ?
asciilifeform: lol!
asciilifeform: noway
mircea_popescu: my bet is you'll end up with a free book and beer.
asciilifeform foretastes beer
othernubs`: are there any useful BIPs we're missing out on?
mircea_popescu: save it for the 2nd edition.
mircea_popescu: ;;ident othernubs`
gribble: Nick 'othernubs`', with hostmask 'othernubs`!~leel@stjhnf0157w-142163081094.dhcp-dynamic.FibreOP.nl.bellaliant.net', is identified as user 'othernubs`', with GPG key id F961A901022D2AFB, key fingerprint 66839483B86EB0955618740DF961A901022D2AFB, and bitcoin address None
mircea_popescu: ugh.
mircea_popescu: what happened there again ?
asciilifeform: where'd they put nubbins` ?
othernubs`: heh
othernubs`: can't go copying keys between machines
othernubs`: ;;gettrust nubbins` othernubs`
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask othernubs`!~leel@stjhnf0157w-142163081094.dhcp-dynamic.FibreOP.nl.bellaliant.net. Trust relationship from user nubbins` to user othernubs`: Level 1: 10, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=nubbins%60&dest=othernubs%60 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=othernubs%60 | Rated since: Mon Oct 20 00:55:51 2014
TheNewDeal: can you atleast give yourself a goddamn rating?
mircea_popescu: aok
Apocalyptic: btw mircea, just had a chance to read the usgavin trilema piece, it's stunning
mircea_popescu: !up dtr
dtr: hello
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic you know i got that from a number of ppl ? incl mpoe-pr
mircea_popescu: "gave me goosebumps it's so plainly vivid" she said
Apocalyptic: I saw her comment :)
mircea_popescu: dtr hi. who are you ?
othernubs`: TheNewDeal, how do you think ive had +v all day ;D
Apocalyptic: oh that I didn't know
dtr: i'm me, who are you
TheNewDeal: k, now give me one!
mircea_popescu: !down dtr
mircea_popescu: mkay.
othernubs`: so before i fully dive in here, is it worth asking what's the most recent acceptable version?
mircea_popescu: kinda what ben_vulpes' been working on neh ?
othernubs`: you'd be sad if you paid 1btc for a book that's got a shitty bug, or that's 1 release behind a major improvement
othernubs`: ben_vulpes, speaketh
mircea_popescu: the bug is not so much of a concern, nobody is typing the book into a machine.
mircea_popescu: and a pencil can fix it.
othernubs`: https://bitcoin.org/en/version-history
assbot: Bitcoin Core version history
mircea_popescu: anyway, the consensus seems to be 6.3 ?
asciilifeform: each of us, i suspect, has his own use for book.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> the bug is not so much of a concern, nobody is typing the book into a machine. << Wait, then what was the purpose again?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo crack heads ?
othernubs`: 0.6.3 seems to be the winner
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: don't confuse this item with phil z's pgp book
mircea_popescu: ;;google and he smithen them with the holy bible
gribble: Chuck Smith :: The Baptism of the Holy Spirit (Part ... - Blue Letter Bible: <https://www.blueletterbible.org/Comm/smith_chuck/HolySpirit/hs_05.cfm>; Prophecies in the Bible about Joseph Smith - Ensign Jan. 1989 ...: <https://www.lds.org/ensign/1989/01/prophecies-in-the-bible-about-joseph-smith?lang=eng>; Book of Mormon. A Scripture Testament of Jesus Christ | Mormon.org: (1 more message)
mod6: ben_vulpes's thing is gonna install 0.5.3
mod6: so maybe that version should be bumped up in there, unless I'm missing something.
mircea_popescu: or that.
TheNewDeal: RagnarDanneskjol how long back do these Azelphur logs go?
mircea_popescu: im pretty sure he was here in the first days.
othernubs`: 0.6.0 initial network synchronization is 5x faster than 0.5.3 ;)
asciilifeform: wasn't irc sync phased out then ?
decimation: "irc peer scanning disabled" in 0.6.0
othernubs`: ^
decimation: according to Mr. Vulpes
othernubs`: and .org
mircea_popescu: it wasn't terribly useful by then.
mircea_popescu: it was crucial originally, to ensure against an at the time unknown nsa.
othernubs`: brb fresh air
mircea_popescu: meanwhile it proved worthlessly inept, so whatevs.
asciilifeform: unknown!? lolechelon
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform back in 2010 ? yeah.
mircea_popescu: nobody really knew if they're any good or not.
decimation: sigh bitcoin uses boost
asciilifeform: didn't know this?
mircea_popescu: "At that time the stakes weren't very high yet. There was much noise around a fellow named Magnitsky, a corporate lawyer-crook who got caught and died in pretrial custody. He had been holding items for some bigger Western crooks, who were, of course, never apprehended. The Americans chose to treat this as a human rights violation and responded with the so-called “Magnitsky Act” which sanctioned certain Russian indi
mircea_popescu: viduals who were labeled as human rights violators. Russian legislators responded with the “Dima Yakovlev Bill,” named after a Russian orphan adopted by Americans who killed him by leaving him in a locked car for nine hours. This bill banned American orphan-killing fiends from adopting any more Russian orphans. It all amounted to a silly bit of melodrama."
mircea_popescu: this guy is so fucking nuts.
mircea_popescu: seriously, that's what happened there ? o.O
asciilifeform: the public face of what happened
asciilifeform: more or less as described.
mircea_popescu: guy made some allegations of theft, fraud and embezzelment, died in custody without having been charged, a week before the one year (seriously ?!?!?!) term he could be held without trial.
asciilifeform: had problems.
mircea_popescu: reading orlov is like reading j. fest v2.0
asciilifeform: ;;google ideas are soldiers
gribble: Care Packages For Soldiers: A Guide On What To Send: <http://www.thesoldiersfamily.com/>; CARE PACKAGE IDEAS | Gathering 4 Soldiers: <http://gathering4soldiers.wordpress.com/care-package-ideas/>; Carepackages for our Soldier on Pinterest: <http://www.pinterest.com/kmwillson/carepackages-for-our-soldier/>
asciilifeform: fail.
mircea_popescu: lmao
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform were you looking for "The American behavior throughout this succession of defeats has been remarkably consistent, with the constant element being their flat refusal to deal with reality in any way, shape or form." ? :D
mircea_popescu: that sounds about right.
asciilifeform: aha
mircea_popescu: seems the way current bureaucracies are interpreting the "ideas are soldiers" thing is very pedestrian seo : "narratives are soldiers"
mircea_popescu: well... narratives aren't soldiers, narratives are whores. substantially different.
undata: I hear a basket of american-flag cookies cures PTSD.
mircea_popescu: There were even some threats to cut Russia off from the SWIFT system, which would have made it quite difficult to transfer funds between Russia and the West, but what these threats did instead was to give Russia the impetus to introduce its own RUSSWIFT system, which will include even Iran, neutralizing future American efforts at imposing financial restrictions.
asciilifeform: undata: with or without wagner/cyanide ?
mircea_popescu: this, by the way, is factual, and incalculably fucking stupid.
undata: asciilifeform: no no, a kid rock album and beer.
decimation: mircea_popescu: stupid on whose part?
undata: how unamerican
othernubs`: asciilifeform, include INSTALL, README, doc/*, locale/*?
asciilifeform: zapzapzap
mircea_popescu: decimation the us. it literally killed aml bs.
asciilifeform: anyone care to see the turdlets in?
othernubs`: COPYING is required, and i'd suggest including doc/build-*.txt
mircea_popescu: i can now leisurely transfer moneyz from washington to tehran, just hop it off swift into russwift via the national network in any of two dozen different sattelite states.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: even plausible that usg permitted this to avoid hastening axe-time, sword-time, bitcoin-time
othernubs`: actually i may include doc/* as an addendum, it's only a few single pages
asciilifeform: crapolade - in, aye, as appendices
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah well, anything's plausible, but unforced mistakes are still stupid.
decimation: european banks hate aml because of the shit they have to go through for us clients
mircea_popescu: just, you know, us bureaucrats do not manage to comprehend they're nobody and need to stfu when actual people are talking.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12597 @ 0.00073744 = 9.2895 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: organisms with simple nervous systems, they are; while on the correct side of the tinted glass, will continue to think they are 'someone.'
mircea_popescu: there is no correct side of tinted glass.
mircea_popescu: once there's tinted glass, the war was lost.
decimation: somehow ever since the late 70's and early 80's when the aml stuff was made law, usg has gotten used to the idea that it can just make transacting money illegal as it wills
asciilifeform: correct side, conventionally, is the one with the chixxors & coke, rather than fleas and reddit
BingoBoingo: http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--o0Bf43ti--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/p2sdfkdazwigmabfmrzr.gif
mircea_popescu: decimation nothing's as readily persuasive as a mistake.
decimation: the problem is that it kinda worked for the backwater Caribbean drug runners it was intended to hurt
decimation: but in 1980 usg was a net trade creditor to the world
mircea_popescu: you recall chinese products in 1980 ?
decimation: they were shit, plastic gimmicks
mircea_popescu: so then.
mircea_popescu: yes, 1980 was before "everyone goes to college" and before "we'll outsource" and before all the rest of the crap.
decimation: now the us runs a net trade deficit of >500$bn per year
mircea_popescu: you mean 900
mircea_popescu: or was 900 the fiscal deficit
decimation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_trade_of_the_United_States
assbot: Foreign trade of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
mike_c: BingoBoingo: whoa. that looks disastrous at first
mircea_popescu: yeah, 900bn is the us budget shortfall
decimation: right, and of course these are only 'cashflow' numbers, not debt on the books
undata: 17.8 trillion total debt
decimation: http://www.usdebtclock.org/ depending on how you count there are about $100-$250 trillion in outstanding liabilities
assbot: U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time
mircea_popescu: "You'd think that Obama has already overplayed his hand, and should behave accordingly. His popularity at home is roughly the inverse of Putin's, which is to say, Obama is still more popular than Ebola, but not by much. He can't get anything at all done, no matter how pointless or futile, and his efforts to date, at home and abroad, have been pretty much a disaster. So what does this social worker turned national masco
mircea_popescu: t decide to do?" <<< ahahaah epic.
undata: and they have a fiddly definition of what counts as debt
mircea_popescu: dude, trust the enemy to give true to life portraits, it always works.
mircea_popescu: decimation nah, there's practically infinity outstanding.
decimation: right, like liberia saving to buy whatsapp
mircea_popescu: this for a number of reasons, chief among which : the reported figures doesn't and hasn't for decades included all sorts of figures.
undata: http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2014/01/17/you-think-the-deficit-is-bad-federal-unfunded-liabilities-exceed-127-trillion/
assbot: You Think The Deficit Is Bad? Federal Unfunded Liabilities Exceed $127 Trillion - Forbes
mircea_popescu: more importantly : if the various cds, swaps and futures unwind, that's a notional .5 to 100 quadrillion dollars gone
decimation: all of which are implicitly on usg's books, because too big to fail
mircea_popescu: exactly.
asciilifeform: at certain point, there is a phase change, and the debt is repayable only in: meat.
mircea_popescu: so quantifying it is pointless. it's never getting paid anyway.
mircea_popescu: like trying to evaluate the weight of the stone around a man's neck who's chained to the castle wall.
mircea_popescu: well, there's the castle, and the rock upon which it rests, and the province in which the rock lies...
asciilifeform: this is precisely what i mean when i say that one thing or another costs $maxint
asciilifeform: meaning, rigorously, that for all valid machine ints i, i <= $maxint
asciilifeform: 'Full fathom five thy father lies; of his bones are coral made; those are pearls that were his eyes...'
undata looks at the 11 dollar bill on his desk from the IRS
undata: yeah... that'll help
asciilifeform: donate btc for ze war effort!
mircea_popescu: "For example, it is known that after the end of World War II America's military planners were thinking of launching a nuclear strike against the USSR, and the only thing that held them back was the fact that they didn't have enough bombs, meaning that Russia would have taken over all of Europe before the effects of the nuclear strikes could have deterred them from doing so (Russia had no nuclear weapons at the time, bu
mircea_popescu: t lots of conventional forces right in the heart of Europe)."
mircea_popescu: this is total bs lol.
mircea_popescu: patton wanted to keep going. nobody else did.
decimation: so did most of the captured germans
asciilifeform: dulles
mod6: ben_vulpes: http://dpaste.com/01J9WVB
assbot: dpaste: 01J9WVB
undata: mod6: you need more sources in your sources.list
mircea_popescu: the Federal Reserve is fresh out of magic bullets and faces a choice between crashing the stock market and crashing the bond market. << this is exactly correct by the way.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you can tell me anything you wish, but he IS a kgb puppet. there's just no way he could have figured this one on his own.
mod6: perhaps the script should throw a line in /etc/apt/sources.list
mircea_popescu: it's correct, but too valuable for him. he was given notes.
undata: mod6: http://debgen.simplylinux.ch/
assbot: Debian Sources List Generator
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: no need for muppetry, i get same notes from ru armchair generals
undata: mod6: nah that wouldn't be general across distros
mircea_popescu: anyway, anyone want to bet on whether the stock or the bond market will take it in the ass ? thatr's the major debate in washnington atm. stocks are basically the young libtards, bonds the old ones.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: but i have about the same amount of use for the information as a chimp does for pentium
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anything can be obtained from "the internet". obviously. knowing what to obtain however...
asciilifeform: gotta speak languages.
asciilifeform: at minumum!
asciilifeform: *min
mircea_popescu: even so.
mircea_popescu: he doesn't have the specific knowledge ot discern.
asciilifeform: the folks in his wot - do.
TheNewDeal: http://bitbet.us/bet/1056/bitcoin-to-drop-under-200-before-december/#c4173 << check it out, they managed to break the urls. <<< happened a month earlier as well, no one bitched http://bitbet.us/bet/1046/gold-above-1200-on-november-1st/
assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin to drop under $200 before December :: 2.03 B (10%) on Yes, 17.33 B (90%) on No | closed 3 hours 46 minutes ago
assbot: BitBet - Gold above $1200 on November 1st :: 1.07 B (66%) on Yes, 0.54 B (34%) on No | closed 3 days 3 hours ago
mircea_popescu: anyway, fwiw, i'm convinced, he's gotta be.
asciilifeform: also if i recall he did a tour of duty in u.s. finance derpatronics industry
asciilifeform: and has contacts there.
mircea_popescu: as plausible as all that may be...
asciilifeform: if mr o is shilling, he's an uncommonly frugal and ascetic shill.
mircea_popescu: w. joyce was not particularly luxurious for that matter.
decimation: mircea_popescu: it strikes me that if rates are hiked both stocks and bonds would take a hit
mircea_popescu: decimation nah, they still have the ability to choose one.
decimation: well, I guess the law of bankruptcy handed down from the ancients is that debt is senior to equity
mircea_popescu: it's not a matter of bankruptcy anyway. so debt is senior to equity, facebook implodes leaving a 60 bn hole, what's going to be sold ? watsapp ?
decimation: heh yeah
decimation: and google space
mircea_popescu: five bux, which is a gross estimate of its actual net worth, won't make a difference.
mircea_popescu: no, the solution is purely monetary.
decimation: to paraphrase mr. yarvin, every asset must pass through the bitcoin-hole
mod6: http://dpaste.com/00YBNXZ
assbot: dpaste: 00YBNXZ
mircea_popescu: Financially, Russia's position is so solid that even the three Western credit ratings agencies don't have the gall to downgrade Russia's rating, sanctions notwithstanding. This is a country that is aggressively paying down its foreign debt, is running a record-high budget surplus, has a positive balance of payments, is piling up physical gold reserves, and not a month goes by that it doesn't sign a major international
mircea_popescu: trade deal (that circumvents the US dollar). In comparison, the US is a dead man walking: unless it can continue rolling over trillions of dollars in short-term debt every month at record-low interest rates, it won't be able to pay the interest on its debt or its bills.
mircea_popescu: this is also quite right. either russia or china can in fact raise interest rates causing a collapse.
mircea_popescu: which is actually the major bargaining chip with the eu, not stupid produce import bans
mircea_popescu: half a point could be enough.
decimation: yeah it was the sane move. russia has a sad economy but enormous natural reserves, they should price their money like kuwait
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00074064 = 7.5545 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: it's not THAT sad, not anymore.
mircea_popescu: russia moved from 1990 to 2010 about as much as china moved from 1980 to 2005.
decimation: for awhile they were under Portugal
mircea_popescu: see, these things happen but don't last.
mircea_popescu: romania was for a while on par with somalia.
mircea_popescu: but romania is white people, and somalia is black people.
kakobrekla: nah
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla not that somalia, the other somalia.
kakobrekla: a.
Apocalyptic: heh
decimation: lol. yeah according to idiowiki they are about #8 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28nominal%29
assbot: List of countries by GDP (nominal) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
mircea_popescu: this is no figure of speech either. in 1992ish, plenty of romanians working for the state made ~1.20 dollars a day
decimation: russia has lots of white people and lots of resources, asians too
ben_vulpes: <othernubs`> ben_vulpes, speaketh << nothing strictly necessary post 0.5.3
asciilifeform: 1.20 dollars a day << ehehehe - no. not comparable figure with usa 1.20/diem. ro didn't have to pay rent, had no ruinous tax, cheap non-synthetic food even in the depths of collapse
asciilifeform: no mandatory cars to maintain
ben_vulpes: although let's be clear, i was just browsing the release notes. if there were breaking changes merged in since then, this'd be a lulzy way to surface them.
asciilifeform: no confiscatory 'health care' ripoff
asciilifeform: i could go on.
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> anyway, the consensus seems to be 6.3 ? << i've yet to hear a compelling argument for anything past 0.5.3
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: let's put another way, lowest version you would be willing to use for daily life.
TheNewDeal: 0.6.3 is?
ben_vulpes: i'm transitioning backwards asciilifeform
ben_vulpes: i still depend on the qt client. need to come up with a workflow that works for the 0.5.3 client.
ben_vulpes: but i don't see any roadblocks at this time.
asciilifeform: i never really grasped what the gui was for
asciilifeform: even winblows user could handily pop the dos shell and 'bitcoind sendtoaddress .....'
ben_vulpes: well, consider all the things i've been unlearning
ben_vulpes: you: grew up on lisp machine lore
asciilifeform: nah
asciilifeform: dug it up after uni
asciilifeform: not even during.
ben_vulpes: i: solved quadratics by hand because programming solvers was taught to me to be cheating
asciilifeform also solved quadratics by hand because programming is a cheat
ben_vulpes: constraint problems, too?
asciilifeform: ruler, pencil
asciilifeform: not so odd.
ben_vulpes: not at all
ben_vulpes: but when you're taught that the right solution to all problems is to do it by hand, with the tools handed one by authority, unlearning that is hard
ben_vulpes: ergo, qt. at first, at least.
asciilifeform: this seems like a bind until you realize that what is taught now is 'solve with unicorn tears, milked out of your arse'
mod6: ben_vulpes: so the main issue was the deps so far. i went to the deb site and it gave me some to add to the sources.list, but didn't seem to help. i can try something different tomorrow if you have suggestions.
ben_vulpes: mod6: which deps?
othernubs`: so we'll split the difference between 0.5.3 and 0.6.3, go with 0.5.8
othernubs`: ;p
mod6: it's in the pastes.
ben_vulpes: aok
asciilifeform still puzzled that mircea_popescu won't pick a favourite here
asciilifeform: what's in his patches anyway.
asciilifeform: death ray plugin support?
othernubs`: maybe we start with defining what's in current that we don't want
asciilifeform: next we become great sculptors. we buy a mountain of marble, and decide what's in there that we don't want.
ben_vulpes: molding bullets...
othernubs`: heh
ben_vulpes: qt gets cut
othernubs`: well, bv says 0.5.3 is minimum that will work
ben_vulpes: wallet retardation gets cut or reimplemented non retardedly
asciilifeform: no cuts without which won't fly.
asciilifeform: picture it's being sent to the past, for your ascension to godhood
othernubs`: publishing job in danger of morphing into coding job
ben_vulpes: oh sorry
ben_vulpes: nubbins i was just opining
ben_vulpes: !
ben_vulpes: also also also also
ben_vulpes: getting command line functionality on os x has been a headache every time i tried it
ben_vulpes: another reason this damn platform's doomed
asciilifeform: wat.
asciilifeform: i thought it had normal posix
othernubs`: ^
asciilifeform owns one of these, treats it as a mildly retarded linux box with defective wm
asciilifeform blows dust off mac
ben_vulpes tries it again
asciilifeform begins to wonder if this escapade will end with him maintaining 0.wtf in some dark cloister, for food and water
othernubs`: install yr updates
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: what release are you targeting?
asciilifeform: that was the whole enigma
othernubs`: that's the question
ben_vulpes: i'm going for 0.5.3
asciilifeform: somebody mentioned slow sync
othernubs`: let's use 0.9
ben_vulpes: slow sync, myriad crapolade
asciilifeform: i was originally gonna ask for 0.1
ben_vulpes digs spare hdd out of closet for aux blockchain
othernubs`: let's get some big miners to give up their secret sauce
mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> <mircea_popescu> anyway, the consensus seems to be 6.3 ? << i've yet to hear a compelling argument for anything past 0.5.3 << ok, so 5.4
mircea_popescu: 5.3*
othernubs`: isanyone
othernubs`: ...is anyone able to express succinctly yet accurately why current release isn't okay?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: care to drop even a small hint of what you're using? gizmo of own authorship? it isn't like you keep it hotwalleted, anyway
Apocalyptic: othernubs`, you're seriously suggesting using the "current" release ?
othernubs`: he creates raw tx using node.js script and sends to network via blockchain.info broadcast
asciilifeform: using soviet mk-61 calculator.
mircea_popescu: <othernubs`> publishing job in danger of morphing into coding job <<< nubsy has antennae, and they're tuned for danger!
Apocalyptic: what's the issue with 0.5.3 ?
othernubs`: Apocalyptic, i'm attempting to guide the conversation towards stating what is and isn't desired in the codebase
asciilifeform: othernubs`: picture if you were sending the damn thing back in time, to blaise p. for implementation on a gigantic Pascaline, or herr babbage, etc
othernubs`: ostensibly later versions have more bugfixes and improvements but also more cruft and potentially introduced attack vectors
mircea_popescu: othernubs` you'll never get there. but anyway : 0.6.3 most recent acceptable ; 0.5.3 i guess, earliest acceptable.
mircea_popescu: pick among these according to which bias (early, late) you want
asciilifeform always imagined that a pascaline ought really to be something akin to a guillotine
asciilifeform: pick among << smallest!
asciilifeform: easy.
mircea_popescu: then .5.3
mircea_popescu: also easy.
mircea_popescu: how the fuck it is code never shrinks ?
asciilifeform: mine does.
othernubs`: feature spook
asciilifeform: and herr dr moldbuggr claims that he does
asciilifeform: ;;google kelvin versioning
gribble: Moron Lab: January 2010: <http://moronlab.blogspot.com/2010_01_01_archive.html>; wintersmith-kelvin - npm: <https://www.npmjs.org/package/wintersmith-kelvin>; Software Installation & System Requirements | Kelvin TOP-SET ...: <http://www.kelvintopset.com/software-installation-system-requirements>
asciilifeform: that.
mod6: so .6.3 fixes this: http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2012-3789
assbot: CVE -CVE-2012-3789
othernubs`: .7 prob fixes something else serious
asciilifeform: lol they assign cve for unknown gotcha through unknown mechanism!!?
mircea_popescu: 0.5.6rc3 works
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform remember this suspicion for later.
asciilifeform: 'the doctor saved the patient's ear, but did pluck out his eye i fear'
mod6: ascii: lol i guess so
othernubs`: " and 0.6.x before 0.6.3rc1"
othernubs`: so 0.6.3 affected
othernubs`: wait, no.
Apocalyptic: it's the other way around heh
mod6: also .6.2 fixes some portability issues apparently (FreeBSD): https://bitcoin.org/en/release/v0.6.2
assbot: Bitcoin-Qt version 0.6.2 released
Apocalyptic: that isn't critical imo
mod6: just putting it out there.
asciilifeform: this thing won't need bdb crapolade where it's going.
asciilifeform: but all the semantics of original must be preserved, to begin. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and check out the cve link for details, going straight to an unmaintained dump page.
mircea_popescu: pretty funny behaviour huh.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: typical, actually
mircea_popescu: no idea who/what it's supposed to help
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: incidentally, you probably know who 'mitre' is a shill for.
mircea_popescu: no idea.
asciilifeform: ahahaha
asciilifeform: 'nonprofit' that's 99% dhs, dod, nsa by weight
mircea_popescu: MITRE Partners with University System of Maryland to Operate New Cybersecurity R&D Center for the National Institute of Standards and Technology ?
asciilifeform: right here in town, yes
mircea_popescu: hey, more power to 'em.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski << http://trilema.com/2013/the-future-of-bitcoin-regulation/ tell garzik i said they missed the boat.
assbot: The future of Bitcoin regulation pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: a billion short a year late ? heh.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu lol will do. i remember that article well.
pete_dushenski: please to leave comment perhaps?
mircea_popescu: a quarter bn in 2014 ? seriously ? all into shit ?
mircea_popescu: he's gotta be kidding.
mircea_popescu: my twitter's dead and i don't feel like social media anyway
pete_dushenski: i meant on the blog.. but i see where you're going. i'll drop him a twit.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: what in place of bdb?
mircea_popescu: seems kinda redundant/spammy. next time.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: now is not the time, i actually suggested the project not imagining it would be picked up so quickly
pete_dushenski: mmok.
asciilifeform: i kinda want this for 6-9 mo. from now
ben_vulpes: i ain't picking up shit
ben_vulpes: just curious
asciilifeform: othernubs` picked up
ben_vulpes: ah.
othernubs`: ball, meet rotational displacement
artifexd: <mircea_popescu> how the fuck it is code never shrinks ? << Code does shrink sometimes. But not due to concentration on features or bugs. If it happens, it happens because the developer grows and improves. One of my favorite days was deleting 60k lines of code that I had written and replacing it with 100 lines. Simpler. Faster. Easier to understand.
mircea_popescu: !s 50 mn
assbot: 3 results for '50 mn' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=50+mn
undata: artifexd: it takes willingness to admit one's own stupidity
asciilifeform: code shrinks when a great fire is lit and all things that are vile and repugnant to the righteous are consumed in the flames.
asciilifeform: as it screams, its sins are expurgated
asciilifeform: !s best machine is no machine
assbot: 2 results for 'best machine is no machine' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=best+machine+is+no+machine
asciilifeform: 'the tastiest fish in all the seas is called kolbasa [sausage]' -- my grandfather
othernubs`: i have a turkey kolbasa in the fridge
ben_vulpes: i am considering bisecting the codebase for building on os x
ben_vulpes: i also think that building on os x is a bad idea
ben_vulpes: this is where docker starts coming in handy: instead of burning many hours on chasing down platform and architecture details to get the thing to work on os x, i'm leaning towards just running 0.5.3 in a VM.
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> 0.5.6rc3 works << enhanced sync speed?
mircea_popescu: doubt it.
mircea_popescu: but you don't want it to sync anyway, just feed it a preindexed chain.
asciilifeform: preindexed by what?
ben_vulpes: $ cp ~/.bitcoin ~/.bitcoin-test && ./ancient-bitcoind -datadir ~/.bitcoin-test ?
ben_vulpes: surely it's not that easy
asciilifeform: gotta sync
asciilifeform: picture it being sent to earth of the recent past, that had all but bitcoin.
ben_vulpes: your book, sure.
TheNewDeal: cant you download a torrent?
asciilifeform: torrent produced by what?
asciilifeform: and does it result in a new torrent, modified?
TheNewDeal: I've just seen up to block 315k on tpb, but wasn't sure what the file format was
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes you got no pre-hearn blockchain ?
asciilifeform: what's with this pecular preoccupation with strange half-bitcoins
ben_vulpes: no sir
ben_vulpes: check my arrival date in -assets
mircea_popescu: am i the only one ?!
ben_vulpes: quite likely.
asciilifeform: pre-hearn - what date
mircea_popescu: o.O
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform pre 7
asciilifeform: i've one going since 2011
asciilifeform: for whatever it's worth
mircea_popescu: about 30gb it's worth lol
asciilifeform thought blockchain was one for all of us, 'like victory'
mircea_popescu: it is, substantially, but it's indexed differently for the latecomers.
asciilifeform: any semantics not preserved ?
mircea_popescu: well, bdb stuff.
mircea_popescu: and i imagine they probably did all the shitting they can
mircea_popescu: how do you make a torrent anyway ?
ben_vulpes: http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=mircea_popescu&start=5000 << mthreat wouldja be so kind as to expand how far back the search goes?
assbot: Error - search.bicoin-assets.com
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i suppose "first otc rating" would be better way to go about it no ?
ben_vulpes: hm
ben_vulpes: well, first words in -assets as proxy for initial blockchain dl
asciilifeform: eh, i suspect that many of us had one long before other
othernubs`: well, i'm gonna sleep on it
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes anyway, i'll pass you a signed tarball tomorrow ?
othernubs`: nite
mircea_popescu: or what are your goals here.
ben_vulpes thinks
ben_vulpes: none that can't wait for the morrow
mircea_popescu: the ideal way would be for you to let the thing sync naturally
ben_vulpes: i agree, yeah.
mircea_popescu: it'll take a few weeks, but what's the rush, and this way you get an authenti ccopy.
ben_vulpes: mhm precisely.
ben_vulpes: i'm not concerned about the speed nearly as much as i am the thing working correctly with the network.
mircea_popescu: so then nm, let it buzz.
ben_vulpes: although if you'd be willing to share your tarball and a version number against which i could build that might show some interesting things on a block-by-block diffing
mircea_popescu: there is one caveat, specifically, that you must make a file named DB_CONFIG that contains a set_lg_dir database set_lk_max_locks 500000
mircea_popescu: or else it'll die once it reaches end of 2013
mircea_popescu: im not running stock, and what would it show ?
mircea_popescu: the client doesn't keep "blocks" exactly, it's messier
ben_vulpes: right.
ben_vulpes: so every blockchain could be a snowflake.
mircea_popescu: notrly, cause we know what's in the zero block
mircea_popescu: but every actual blockchain download is a snowflake
ben_vulpes: i'm thinking in terms of bits on disk
mircea_popescu: you can't mix and match blkxxxx from one install with another's.
ben_vulpes: but if you supply the entire datadir, you can boot one install with another's blockchain?
ben_vulpes: provided set_lk_max_locks type configs are in place?
mircea_popescu: yup.
ben_vulpes: hm.
mircea_popescu: the whole set of xxxx's and blkindex.dat
ben_vulpes: this has been educational indeed.
mircea_popescu: course, you would be relying on the verification done by the op
ben_vulpes: mhm.
mircea_popescu: but i have bootstrapped new nodes in this way
mircea_popescu: (it's actually the point of the torrent palliative back in the day)
ben_vulpes: should la serenissima publish a torrent?
mircea_popescu: anyway, to be perfectly fair : the bdb arrangement wasn't really tenable on the long haul. it had to be replaced with a better db.
mircea_popescu: the noobs aren't really capable of handling the sort of requirements to dld a full chain.
mircea_popescu: so that bitcoin split among a pro and a noob division is scarcely amazing.
pete_dushenski: https://twitter.com/Outsideness/status/524784098510786560 << best twitter comment in response to "adding value to bitcoin" piece. i'm flattered!
assbot: So are you ready to add value to Bitcoin? http://t.co/QWwe4MG8Ar
pete_dushenski: (i sound like a gangster-rapper in writing, apparently)
mircea_popescu: how's the anon onslaught ? you been made to repent yet ?
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu i'll repent by updating my "how to run a node" article with ben_vulpes' final work :)
ben_vulpes: gangster-rapper
pete_dushenski: and there hasn't been any anonslaught for the latest piece. but it's only been a few hours.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5023 @ 0.00074072 = 3.7206 BTC [+] {2}
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: a quarter bn in 2014 ? seriously ? all into shit ? << lol. tip of the derpberg.
thestringpuller: You didn't link the article on "the problem of too much money"
thestringpuller: ;;google site:trilema.com the problem of too much money
gribble: The problem of too much money pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/2012/the-problem-of-too-much-money/>; Let's dig a little deeper into this entire deflation “problem” pe Trilema ...: <http://trilema.com/lets-dig-a-little-deeper-into-this-entire-deflation-problem>; Money, fucking and lying pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2014 (1 more message)
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: this is also quite right. either russia or china can in fact raise interest rates causing a collapse. << their own rates? or just dump some us bonds and trigger us rate increase?
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller i'm well familiar with that one. i linked several other trilemas to make my case.
thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: if we were still on gold standard, China could just dump gold and cause a collapse
thestringpuller: seems pretty easy to do in the modern economy
pete_dushenski: but since we
pete_dushenski: 're not...
pete_dushenski: well, "we"
thestringpuller: bonds gold etc.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: romania was for a while on par with somalia. << but romania got "aid"
thestringpuller: I forgot jgarzik was an advocate of GPG in the web browser.
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller so ya, dump bonds = us raises rates to compete with market awash in dumped bonds.
thestringpuller: Kinda...scary...
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller this is the value of having a blog ;)
thestringpuller: "This engineer sees additional PGP problems: (1) ancient C codebase, and (2) lack of a usable lib."
thestringpuller: Aren't those good things?
thestringpuller: ancient C codebase == software that is more hardened over time
pete_dushenski: to quote mp: http://trilema.com/2014/a-conceit-or-the-importance-of-blogging/
assbot: A conceit, or the importance of blogging pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
thestringpuller: blogging is a muscle. probably why I write for qntra
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller good for la serenissima, bad for usderpcorps.
thestringpuller: "He's Canadian" << lol, the canadians brought us Degrassi and indie rock!
pete_dushenski: news is a different muscle, though still a muscle.
pete_dushenski: yes, yw.
pete_dushenski: meh "canadian"
thestringpuller: hmm. it's ashame all the power rangers are senile
pete_dushenski: mom was born in romania. dad's fam moved from ukraine barely a century ago. thus http://www.contravex.com/2014/08/17/who-are-we-not-nationals/
assbot: Who Are We? Not Nationals | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski
thestringpuller: Ah. oh yea I remember.
thestringpuller: Reminds me a lot of the theory of stateless armies.
thestringpuller: (more metal gear talk)
thestringpuller: of a theory*
pete_dushenski: mercs essentially.
thestringpuller: yessir
thestringpuller: so went to that kryptokit site
pete_dushenski: "will work for treasure"
thestringpuller: vitalik buterin is on the team? kinda figures "javascript in da browser"
RagnarDanneskjol: http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/markets/article-2270223/Private-security-group-Typhon-assembles-private-navy-protect-Indian-Ocean-shipping-Somali-pirates.html
assbot: Private security group Typhon assembles private navy to protect Indian Ocean shipping from Somali pirates | This is Money
pete_dushenski: RagnarDanneskjol heh
RagnarDanneskjol: I've recruited mercs for them - they're pretty badass
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller ya, everything vitalik and his co-derp anthony touch are utter nonsense.
thestringpuller: On a side note, I've noticed Roger Ver's bitcoinstore is not...around anymore?
thestringpuller: "Mission Accomplished! We failed but succeeded!"
pete_dushenski: anthony di iorio, very memorably (because i've never seen this before), replied to my gpg-gram... in plaintext. and it included my original email. in plaintext.
pete_dushenski: this was after anthony tried calling me several times, leaving voicemails about how he "didn't know i felt that way about ethereum" and shit.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12471 @ 0.00074123 = 9.2439 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: LOL
thestringpuller: "I don't know how to use GPG, so I'm gonna make my own."
thestringpuller: We saw how that worked out for usagi ~_~
thestringpuller: (in reference to insurance)
pete_dushenski: and i said we're doing pgp or irc. but he'd "lost his key" so had to make another...with kryptokit!
pete_dushenski: interestingly, kryptokit keys are only 2,047 instead of 2,048 rsa keys. odd, no?
thestringpuller: old pete_dushenski will one day think like Jeezy, "Seen't it all"
pete_dushenski: lol
pete_dushenski: it feels like bitcoin is accelerating that process!
pete_dushenski: or maybe it's just b-a.
ben_vulpes: it's a forging of some kind. trial by fire.
thestringpuller: dude this is so bad
thestringpuller: GPG in the browser?
pete_dushenski not complaining. doesn't mind a grey or two.
thestringpuller: this is as bad as that keybase.io
thestringpuller: not quite as bad as your private key isn't stored on some fuckers machine in his mom's basement
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes ow! it's hot in here!
RagnarDanneskjol: i use gpg in browser on airgapped device with wifi physically disabled.. b/c I actually understand java and can audit with my own eyes
thestringpuller: pete_dushenski> it feels like bitcoin is accelerating that process!
thestringpuller: ^ MP must say at least once a day, "i'm too old for this shit"
pete_dushenski: RagnarDanneskjol heh neat.
ben_vulpes: bawww really RagnarDanneskjol ?
RagnarDanneskjol: yup - i dum
ben_vulpes: you make the baby satoshi cry
ben_vulpes: that's a pretty funny self-indictment of javaland if you don't mind my saying so.
RagnarDanneskjol: yes yes
ben_vulpes: "i can read java and stuff, but can't handle cli programs"
ben_vulpes: nothing personal
ben_vulpes: 'cept for the rapier betwixt yer ribs
ben_vulpes: :P
RagnarDanneskjol: none taken - I know my security leaves much to be desired.. why I hired a fulltime tutor
pete_dushenski: en garde!
pete_dushenski: fulltime! like 40h/wk??
ben_vulpes: full time you say
ben_vulpes: lol i wish i had that kind of budget
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes patience.
RagnarDanneskjol: well - he's not just a tutor - he's building stuff too - talkin bout Azlph
thestringpuller: ;;later tell mircea_popescu I'm glad you can still be young at heart re: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-10-2014#882514 ☝︎
gribble: The operation succeeded.
thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: lol i wish i had that kind of budget << instead of paying for college pay for full time tutor for 4 years?
pete_dushenski: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/10/22/android_can_be_tricked_into_loading_malware_obfuscated_in_pngs/ << heh
assbot: NOT OK GOOGLE: Android images can conceal code The Register
pete_dushenski: "The researchers have found that it's possible to trick the Android app wrapping system so that an image can be wrapped up with malware, and delivered inside an innocuous wrapper app, which gets past both security apps and Google's Bouncer. The basis of the attack is a custom encryption package (which they dubbed AngeCrypt) that makes the malicious APK look like a valid PNG image file (other image formats work as
pete_dushenski: well)."
thestringpuller: lol soon there will be botnets on the phone
thestringpuller: hide yo data plan
pete_dushenski: hide yo wife.
RagnarDanneskjol: http://www.zdnet.com/android-botnet-poses-as-google-app-pilfers-email-and-sms-7000024495/
assbot: Android botnet poses as Google app, pilfers email and SMS | ZDNet
pete_dushenski: ya wasn't there a dogecoin mining botnet on android fones too?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10850 @ 0.00074128 = 8.0429 BTC [+]
RagnarDanneskjol: yeppers
pete_dushenski: !s dogecoin botnet
assbot: 0 results for 'dogecoin botnet' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=dogecoin+botnet
pete_dushenski: !dogecoin android
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-03-2014#587788 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 28-03-2014 00:41:08; ozbot: Researches find Android apps that covertly mine Dogecoin, one of them with more than a million downl
fluffypony: well
pete_dushenski: but of course smartphones are supersekure and everything and there's no way goog/aapl are letting those pesky feds get in the way.
pete_dushenski: "The FBI director James Comey's bid to have Congress kibosh default encryption appears to have publicly failed after senators said the proposal would be rejected." << uhuh
pete_dushenski: fluffypony hey man.
fluffypony: at least Reddit has its priorities straight
fluffypony: http://i.imgur.com/7t3Ow2A.png
fluffypony: Uncle Pete
fluffypony: pete_dushenski: I'm going to be in LA from next Tue till Nov 2nd, and then in Utah & Las Vegas from Nov 2nd to Nov 17th - any chance you're mosying on down in that vicinity?
cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/10/bitpay-to-assist-paydici-to-enable-bitcoin-based-recurring-billing/
assbot: BitPay To Assist Paydici To Enable Bitcoin Based Recurring Billing | Qntra.net
pete_dushenski: fluffypony hm did see that. afraid not. looks like i'll be in central canada around then...
fluffypony: o canada
fluffypony: famous around the world for its directional 2.4ghz FPV antennae
fluffypony: cazalla: it's obvious how they're going to do it...you just have to hand over your private keys and they'll totally handle the rest :-P
pete_dushenski: lol
pete_dushenski: like keybase for bitcoin!
fluffypony: exactly!
fluffypony: pete_dushenski: I kid you not about the antenna - this is pretty much the best FPV video receiver antenna on the market, and it's from True RC Canada: http://www.truerc.net/canada/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=30_32_40&products_id=217
assbot: 2.4GHz Gatling - $400.00 : Truerc Canada, Lipos, UHF and antennas for FPV!
fluffypony: it's also $400, so there's that
cazalla: fluffypony, hopefully they get back to me but not likely
pete_dushenski: fluffypony so a btc
fluffypony: pete_dushenski: at present value, yes :-P
pete_dushenski: cheaper than a canada goose down jacket and a bathtub full of maple syrup, i suppose.
fluffypony: lol
pete_dushenski: though i did get a pretty sweet arcteryx winter jacket at the end of last season that i'm looking forward to sporting.
ben_vulpes: https://medium.com/@abrkn/obtaining-and-offline-securing-ether-for-the-upcoming-ethereum-launch-157963b6a456 << so one actually downloads wallets from the etherfolk?
assbot: Obtaining and offline securing ether for the upcoming Ethereum launch Medium
fluffypony: I love Arc'teryx
fluffypony: one of my favourite manufacturers
fluffypony: I have Khard 45s that we use for our go bags
fluffypony: but I keep taking the packs out and using it for hikes and general travel
fluffypony: I should get another one
pete_dushenski: when i first saw this jacket in banff, btc was $350 so it was 2 btc so i balked.
pete_dushenski: went back to the store 5 months later and btc and the jacket's price had converged so it was only 1 btc. i went for it then :D
fluffypony: lol nice
pete_dushenski: i haven't tried their other equipment but it's priced to a point where i certainly have high expectations
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes as opposed to... lol crafting your own based on imaginary spec?
cazalla: good evening xinxi
ben_vulpes: dude
ben_vulpes: i'm too tired and too deep in unix horseshit to know what to say about ether anymore
cazalla: !up xinxi
xinxi: good evening cazalla
xinxi: oh, it should be afternoon.
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes say "no thanks!"
pete_dushenski: it's completely wild to see how much the bitcoin network hashrate fluctuates.
pete_dushenski: in the last 2 week alone it's ranged from 160ph to 370ph as per http://bitcoin.sipa.be
assbot: Bitcoin network graphs
pete_dushenski: bananas, son.
ben_vulpes: this suggests a novel attack vector: depress price strategically to drive miners out, drop large amounts of hashpower to rewrite blockchain.
ben_vulpes thinks
ben_vulpes: not that novel.
pete_dushenski: mhm.
ben_vulpes: now i want to see the power draw of the btc network.
pete_dushenski: the question is how much rewriting is possible?
pete_dushenski: and who's going to be duped by any transaction large enough for this strategy to pay off?
pete_dushenski: "here's 50,000 btc"
pete_dushenski: (waits 1 conf)
pete_dushenski: "perfect, we have a deal, here's your aircraft carrier."
pete_dushenski: s/aircraft carrier/personal jet.
pete_dushenski: and my eyes are calling it quits for tonight. bon soir tout le monde!
ben_vulpes: my brain's calling it quit
fluffypony: this is actually kinda cool: http://smartdecisionsint.com/products/cryptex
assbot: Cryptex USB flash drive, 16 Gb Smart Decisions International (SDI)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6350 @ 0.00074128 = 4.7071 BTC [+]
ben_vulpes: http://rajensanghvi.com/ << fuck yeah default wpengine template
assbot: rajensanghvi.com | startups, sales and inspiration.
ben_vulpes: fluffypony: now there's an interesting thing to put up someone's pooper
fluffypony: lol
ben_vulpes: looks like i could get it open in about a minute with a decent vise
ben_vulpes: plus a screwdriver. maybe.
ben_vulpes: but you know
ben_vulpes: neat keyfob i guess
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2095 @ 0.00074128 = 1.553 BTC [+]
ben_vulpes: using their considerable expertise in implementing a just-in-time (JIT) compiled version of the Ethereum virtual machine and making computationally-complex contracts a reasonably affordable possibility
ben_vulpes: WHY
ben_vulpes: okay who did this to me
ben_vulpes: who nerdsniped me with the etherscam again
ben_vulpes: fuck you medium
ben_vulpes: you're shitbanned
mircea_popescu: ^
mircea_popescu: medium is a turdy pos on the level of coindesk.
ben_vulpes: i
ben_vulpes: but
ben_vulpes: ether
ben_vulpes: anyways, here, ether wallet lulz: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/10/22_technical-flaws-in-early-ether-wallet-implementations.html
assbot: Technical Flaws in Early Ether Wallet Implementations
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes no dude, it's a pos libtard venue astroturfing the shit out of the internet.
mircea_popescu: its signal is exactly zero.
ben_vulpes: well it's cost the future one night of my time.
ben_vulpes: i *was* being productive and booting historical versions of bitcoin to run locally.
ben_vulpes: but noooo
ben_vulpes: i had to get scamsniped AGAIN.
ben_vulpes: taleb's really on to something with his noise suppression routine.
ben_vulpes: how though to reconcile noise suppression with -asset logreading...
ben_vulpes: thoughts for bed.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46492 @ 0.0007384 = 34.3297 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19758 @ 0.00073703 = 14.5622 BTC [-] {3}
gabriel_laddel: ;; later tell nubbins I'm not familiar with the btc codebase, but is there any reason not to include diffs from 5.3 to n.m in the appendix?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: ;;seen pigeons
gribble: pigeons was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 12 weeks, 2 days, 14 hours, 30 minutes, and 55 seconds ago: <pigeons> so far that seems accurate
thickasthieves: <+othernubs`> let's get some big miners to give up their secret sauce /// yknow a survey of large miners' and pools' sentiment on state of bitcoin dev, what versions they use, etc would be a great qntra article
mircea_popescu: hard to verify miners, easy to get a bunch of derps that love to talk. but yes, it would be.
thestringpuller: couldn't you just ask trustworthy miners like slush for the pool stats?
thestringpuller: or do people have their computers lie about the version of stuff they are running?
mircea_popescu: being a miner is notoriously a "nobody's business" type of affair. there's nothing to be gained really.
mircea_popescu: plenty to be lost.
mircea_popescu: miners willing to talk about their mining are either lying or motivated by something larger than their mining. which could be their own honesty, of course, but could just as well invalidate the entire premise identifying them as miners.
mircea_popescu: cazalla http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/10/20/no_chokey_for_flannery/ mebbe
assbot: 'LulzSec leader Aush0k' found to be naughty boy not worthy of jail The Register
mircea_popescu: help irritate asciilifeform's ideas about "can do anything"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9950 @ 0.00073633 = 7.3265 BTC [-]
thickasthieves: <+mircea_popescu> being a miner is notoriously a "nobody's business" type of affair. there's nothing to be gained really. /// well, what if we picture the future 10 years out? are representatives of large hash more communicative? or is there 'political' position on bitcoin technicals more known?
mircea_popescu: it's never going to be open.
thickasthieves: there/their
mircea_popescu: why would people in power talk to the public ?
mircea_popescu: the public is welcome to either start mining or stfu.
thickasthieves: so you think itll all just be a total mystery forever
mircea_popescu: only for the public.
thickasthieves: yeah, investigation would be interesting
mircea_popescu: there will be the occasional reports from retired people, obviously. but otherwise, bitcoin mining ~==== fiat espionage.
mircea_popescu: or w/e, "secret services"
thickasthieves: i remember bitfury was very defensive when i asked how much manufactured mining power they represented
mircea_popescu: i suppose the other similar thing is the networking cabal.
mircea_popescu: people may exchange info as to how much switching happens and where and how, on a "need to operate network" basis.
mircea_popescu: but you're not getting a report. nor is congress.
cazalla: mircea_popescu, i remember hearing about this kid, nfi if he actually was part of lulzsec or not
thestringpuller: tactical espionage action
mircea_popescu: cazalla seems not really. but the aussie "secret service" twerps are the better target there. i dun think anyone can point out to ANYTHING they ever achieved, since ww2 onward.
mircea_popescu: not ever. and yet...
cazalla: nah, secret police here are ASIO not AFP
mircea_popescu: there's at least half a dozen of various derp groups, and they're all wasting oxygen & public moneyz.
cazalla: given i live here, i have nothing but praise for all gov departments, advance australia fair
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski: it's completely wild to see how much the bitcoin network hashrate fluctuates. << you understand those aren't directly measured, but more like calculated after the fact ? it's normal variance, you're trying to guess how many times a coin is tossed by how many heads you see. well... ☟︎
mircea_popescu: cazalla haha that's a point.
thickasthieves: http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2014/10/21/sweden_s_military_calls_sub_breach_of_waters_fucked_up
assbot: Sweden's Military Calls Sub's Breach of Waters 'Fucked Up'
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: this suggests a novel attack vector: depress price strategically to drive miners out, <<< except miners don't go in and out with the price. the market is amortisation driven, they have the gear and have to use it, so they'll use it.
mircea_popescu: fx risk is handled like any fx risk (hedge and insure).
mircea_popescu: On Sunday, the Swedish media wound itself into a tizzy over a photograph of a man dressed in black wading into the water somewhere in the archipelago. The security services were dispatched to find the man, who turned out to be a pensioner named Ove, out doing some fishing. "I'm no spy, I'm a pensioner," he told Expressen. "You can tell that it's me [in the photo] by my straight jeans, and I usually have a backpack on."
mircea_popescu: how did that theory go... the ideal spy is an old guy with no social contacts ?
bounce: the sweedish sold off their sub hunting helos in 2008. bwahahahaha.
mircea_popescu: bounce sweden is kinda poor these days.
bounce: am I supposed to pity the fools now?
mircea_popescu: they let norway split...
mircea_popescu: birts have more sense with scotland
bounce: norway is doing pretty well, last I heard
mircea_popescu: while reserves last.
bounce: AIUI they potted up their north sea gas proceeds, instead of giving it all away to the unwashed masses. gives them a bit of playroom.
cazalla: thestringpuller: "He's Canadian" << lol, the canadians brought us Degrassi and indie rock! <<< fkn degrassi, to this day i remember claude offing himself in the toilets, i think i was like 10 or 12 and what is this
punkman: re: Norway http://qz.com/252753/norways-gargantuan-sovereign-wealth-fund-by-the-numbers/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3805 @ 0.00073927 = 2.8129 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17558 @ 0.00074135 = 13.0166 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22900 @ 0.00074149 = 16.9801 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11900 @ 0.00074005 = 8.8066 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23800 @ 0.0007416 = 17.6501 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25850 @ 0.00073987 = 19.1256 BTC [-] {2}
jurov: ;;isup log.bitcoin-assets.com
gribble: log.bitcoin-assets.com is down
RagnarDanneskjol: bollocks
davout: ohai
RagnarDanneskjol: hiya dav
jurov: hi davout
davout: hello !
jurov: davout any news? you said there's some stupid french law pending
davout: did i?
jurov: heh all is ok then
davout: not like laws are going to make it not ok anyway
kakobrekla: logs down, ddos up, mirror later
jurov: both logs and freenode are dos'd?
kakobrekla: freenode i dunno
jurov: usually when freenode has problems, it dumps me whole banlist for all channels, that happened 20 mins ago.
chetty wishes all these ddosers would find something productive to do with their time
jurov: you know, it is so much fun, feeling of power and whatnot
jurov: i don't know why i did not do more of it myself. only once tried SMB packed of death against neighbor's win machine flooding the ether with all kinds of windoze packets
jurov: got some qualms of remorse, did not continue down that path
kakobrekla: at least assbot is with us.
chetty: well even if ddos is your thing, power trip and all I can think of more interesting things to ddos
kakobrekla: i go for some hours. later
jurov: chetty go on. they're listening
bounce: jurov: like this? http://www.theregister.co.uk/Print/2014/10/17/france_anti_terror_law_war_vs_internet/
assbot: French 'terror law' declares WAR on the INTERNET itself, say digi-rights folks The Register
jurov: !s davout law
assbot: 28 results for 'davout law' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=davout+law
jurov: dunno what was then. maybe cia/kgb planted me false memories and whatnot
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.00073695 = 4.1269 BTC [-] {2}
jurov: wtf is "individual terrorist undertaking"?
jurov: thoughtcrime?
davout: ah this
davout: it's because the news is full of teens leaving france to go to syria for djihad and whatnot
bounce wishes the politicians would show some spine here. take their local passport, wave goodbye, declare them europe-wide persona non grata for all eternity. problem solved.
bounce: announce that loud and clear and everybody knows what the score is. "if you want to go there, you're dead to us."
davout: bounce why not simply not care about it? wanna go some ideological war somewhere else, well, have fun seeya later
davout: *wage
bounce: because the fucks come back all shell shocked and violent
davout: meh, let them
bounce: I don't care if maladjusted angry youths want to run away and make trouble in a war zone. I do care if they come back, recruit some more kids (to do the same), cause trouble, shoot some jews, what have you.
davout: i'd reckon most would get natural selection'd anyway
bounce: at the very least it ties up secret service manpower to keep an eye on them
davout: what are you gonna do? cage them?
bounce: no, they're spying on the returnees. already.
davout: no, i mean the would-be goers
bounce: I'd do exactly what I said I wanted the politicians to do: let the would-be goers go, at the price of persona non grata status.
jurov: !mpif
assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021818 B (Total: 477.11 B). Delta: -0.38 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.000195 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/denver-girls-skipped-school-alleged-attempt-join-isis-article-1.1982931
assbot: Three Denver girls who skipped school in alleged attempt to join ISIS under investigation - NY Daily News
othernubs`: anyone have logs
othernubs`: n/m back up
othernubs`: you guise and your arc'teryx
othernubs`: cazalla:thestringpuller: "He's Canadian" << lol, the canadians brought us Degrassi and indie rock! <<< fkn degrassi, to this day i remember claude offing himself in the toilets, i think i was like 10 or 12 and what is this <<< my sides / my youth
jurov: https://medium.com/the-os-fund/rewrite-the-os-68fb43ddc95f dem movers and shakers and twerkers
assbot: Rewrite the OS, Change the World The OS Fund Medium
jurov: i tweeted them stan's 7 laws but i doubt they'll catch on
bounce: medium.com is such a craphole. like wired, but pessimised for the tablet.
bounce: though that osfund.co website manages to fuck up harder. doesn't even render any content here, just the menu bar.
bounce: wants to change the world. picks sucky venue to promote broken website. makes a splash, it does.
jurov: if you want to get amused, actually read it
jurov: "Autonomous networks of drones are delivering critical supplies to rural African villages."
jurov: can't stop chuckling
othernubs`: i thought medium was the sort of site where literally anyone can publish?
bounce: started to scan it but it looked to be entirely fluff
asciilifeform: jurov: lol!
othernubs`: y'know, aside from the inevitble
othernubs`: ...keyboard issues, this xo-1 is actually a quite capable irc machine
asciilifeform: jurov: i almost think that scamatron was built as a deliberate attempt at personal insult for me
othernubs`: websites are a dice-roll but xchat and a couple terminal windows = no sweat
asciilifeform: that, or terry davis
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3100 @ 0.0007365 = 2.2832 BTC [-]
asciilifeform reads the actual ad and notices it's simply generic derp, nothing to do with operating systems in the conventional sense of the word
othernubs` notices that page 1 of the bookof bitcoin will be the entire contents of a file named COPYING
othernubs`: i think i'll gussy it up
jurov sues nubs for GPL violation
jurov: or you can print legalese in tiny font, as supposed to
othernubs`: with images! not chancing text!
asciilifeform: it was bsd afaik
othernubs`: *changing
othernubs`: jurov, i'm going the other way. make it a glorious proclamation
Apocalyptic: 1 page doesn't sound like a big deal
othernubs`: trumpets, cherubim, banners, etc
jurov: isStandard() should feature properly terrifying gargoyles
othernubs`: actually on the fence about illustrating the entire thing, with a slight lean towards 'yes'
asciilifeform: e.g., http://mith.ru/treasury/natio/ireland/kells071.htm
asciilifeform: illustrate in the margins.
asciilifeform: the best kind.
othernubs`: YEAH
othernubs`: book of kells
othernubs`: i don't even need to click that link
mod6: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/10/20_a-summary-of-changes-to-bitcoin-since-0321.html#fnr.20 << thanks for this write up, this would def. need to be patched in.
assbot: A summary of changes to Bitcoin since 0.3.21
mod6: at least, i'd like to have it. heh.
mod6: so yeah, maybe .5.3 is enough with a few patches added in like your notes say. good work!
ben_vulpes: didja get it running eventually?
Apocalyptic: ben_vulpes, that's a helpful commit summary, well done
jurov: so.. where is the evil in 0.9?
ben_vulpes: Apocalyptic: i have to clear up that it's not a *commit* summary but a changelog summary.
Apocalyptic: indeed, semantics
mod6: ben_vulpes: naw, gave up after the last paste I posted. i'd like to go further here, but need more time, and to somehow find the right source to add to sources.list so I can pull in the requirements correctly.
mod6: when testing this, i don't wanna to "hack" a bunch of stuff together. i'd like to do it in a linear manner so seeing what was required is simple. because I'm sure that I can just start pulling down packages on my own and get it to work. just was trying to keep it simple.
Apocalyptic: ben_vulpes, I guess the next would be to see if actually all the code changes reflect precisely what's been announced in the changelog, to ensure there is no stuff left out, intentionally or not
mod6: not sure if im making any sense.
Apocalyptic: *the next step
mod6: I might not be the right person to test this after all. *shrug*
Apocalyptic: which is a considerable amount of work
jurov: i'm able to do it..if anyone pays
ben_vulpes: mod6: plenty of sense. i was a little startled to see that your debian dist didn't come with sudo.
mod6: me too, that threw me off. but maybe i did something silly with the install by creating a root account? i'm not super clued on deb... but it asked me to make a root account first, then a user account. so that was kinda bizzare to me.
ben_vulpes: Apocalyptic: semantics indeed, but not the reddit-style attempted-argument-ender kind. rather the important kind that conveys significance.
mod6: so thought maybe it left off sudo because I created a root account. not sure.
ben_vulpes has no idea
Apocalyptic: ben_vulpes, absolutely, see my next line :)
ben_vulpes: still caffinating can't keep up already
ben_vulpes: Apocalyptic: indeed. piles of work.
bounce: mod6: what're you doing?
ben_vulpes: at this point i'm running the node stock to see what happens
mod6: bounce: just testing ben's script
mod6: created a vm of deb 6.0.10 or w/e and then just tried to run it directly without doing anything else.
mod6: and the apt-get lines in the start of the script failed because the sources.list didn't have the things it's looking for. so I manually added some more that I got from the deb source list thingy, but that didn't seem to help much. it's in the pastes, check the log.
thickasthieves: http://www.etftrends.com/2014/10/europe-listed-bitcoin-etf-in-the-works/
assbot: Europe-Listed Bitcoin ETF in the Works | ETF Trends
mod6: ben_vulpes: anyway, I'll play with it some more later today.
othernubs`: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/10/20_a-summary-of-changes-to-bitcoin-since-0321.html#fnr.20 << thanks for this write up, this would def. need to be patched in. <<< agreed, great writeup, altho evidence seems to point to 0.6.3 being the right choice ☟︎
assbot: A summary of changes to Bitcoin since 0.3.21
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11984 @ 0.0007365 = 8.8262 BTC [-]
othernubs`: you suggest importing most of the additions in 0.6.0, but 0.6.1-0.6.3 are all just bugfixes
othernubs`: including several osx-specific ones
othernubs`: parliament hill attack: 1 gunman dead after soldier shot at national war memorial
ben_vulpes: othernubs`: i'm not even sold on importprivkey
ben_vulpes: what's the use case there?
othernubs`: several shots fired inside parliament
othernubs`: holy shit brb
thickasthieves: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-29724907
assbot: BBC News - Shots fired inside Canada parliament
othernubs`: this is very bad
othernubs`: 3 different locations
mod6: <+ben_vulpes> othernubs`: i'm not even sold on importprivkey << how would you do this otherwise?
ben_vulpes: mod6: create an address and send coins to it?
Apocalyptic: it may be handy to generate a private key outside of the bitcoind mecanism
Apocalyptic: it you want to use it, gotta import it
ben_vulpes: mm.
othernubs`: all canadian forces bases closed to public access nationwide
mod6: and what if you already have a private key that you'd like to import from cold storage? how would you send coins to new said address?
othernubs`: bridges between ottawa and gatineau all shut down
Apocalyptic: wait they close bridges because of that ?
mod6: in other news... i think i fixed my deps problem.
mod6: :)
ben_vulpes: nice! care to share?
mod6: so the debian source list generator thingy didn't put it in there that i need lines that tell me to go to just "squeeze" itself, not just "squeeze-updates" or w/e. will paste.
jurov: othernubs`: did you close the US border, to stop the terrorists?
mod6: "Cloning into bitcoin ..."
othernubs`: it's the most open border in the world :/
mod6: "Checking out v0.5.3"
mod6: looks like there might be an issue with that sed command tho
PinkPosixPXE: if you dpaste/pastebin it, I can assist.
PinkPosixPXE: ^with sed
othernubs`: so how long are we gonna diddle around here before one of us forks 0.5.3 and starts selectively patching?
othernubs`: ;D
mats_cd03: you made isis mad othernubs`
mod6: awe shit. fuckin scrollback only set to 512 by default. gotta run this stuff again. one sec... working on it
ben_vulpes: it initially ended with :=0/d so as to rip the relevant line out. that'll still work.
mats_cd03: time for canada to become part of the caliphate
bounce: wasn't forking the point of the whole thing?
bounce: a list of CVEs and other security problems in bitcoin would be useful
bounce: probably would need to take the full tree and look at the diffs, backport the useful stuff and leave the cruft
mike_c: polish the turd?
bounce: no, not quite
bounce: the usg unfunded liabilities problem is mainly pensions, no?
mod6: so keep in mind that a lot of these packages got pulled successfully the first time. this is the second running after i bumped up the scrollback limit on the term:
mod6: http://dpaste.com/1EHBRNF
assbot: dpaste: 1EHBRNF
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes btw, if oyu're going to maintain this, change satoshi's warn key.
mod6: Thanks PinkPosixPXE
mircea_popescu: <othernubs`> so how long are we gonna diddle around here before one of us forks 0.5.3 and starts selectively patching? << not long.
mircea_popescu: <othernubs`> all canadian forces bases closed to public access nationwide << russians finally invading ?
mike_c: isn't somebody making a good alternative implementation? why take 0.5.3 as the b-a client.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: ISIS invading, hell of a thing to wake up to.
mircea_popescu: mike_c because gavin wants a fork
mats_cd03: nice knowing you, canada
mircea_popescu: and in general, when little bitches are asking for a thrashing, it's a good idea to give them a thrasing.
othernubs`: ;;google globe footage captures shoot out in parliament building site:youtube.com
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othernubs`: too recent i guess,
mircea_popescu: othernubs` https://www.google.com/search?q=bridges+between+ottawa+and+gatineau+all+shut+down&complete=0&prmd=ivns&source=lnms&tbm=nws << totally.
assbot: bridges between ottawa and gatineau all shut down - Google Search
mircea_popescu: all they got is "How to Be a Devils Fan In Ottawa -- 2014-15 Edition" and "Tune in TONIGHT for "MAKERS: Women in War""
mircea_popescu: as if.
othernubs`: http://youtu.be/XrGqoISd-do
assbot: Globe footage captures shooting in Parliament building - YouTube
mircea_popescu: o hey.
mircea_popescu: sooo.... why military bases then ?
othernubs`: first shot took down a canadian soldier at the nat'l war memorial
mircea_popescu: what's a "police sweep"
Apocalyptic: <mircea_popescu> sooo.... why military bases then ? // didn't get that either
mircea_popescu: dude these schmucks are not trained or something ?
mircea_popescu: is THAT what you do when shots fired ?
mthreat: mircea_popescu: http://imgur.com/a/QdiNV
assbot: Hack - Imgur
bounce: dunno. police pretending to be militaree is all the rage now. has been for a while.
mircea_popescu: mthreat ahahah win.
mircea_popescu: bounce even police tho. it's a basic fucking thing, what is this bullshit "i'ma lower my back in a crouch so as to reduce mobility and improve exposure"
mircea_popescu: for crying out loud. throwing like a girl, but for guns.
thickasthieves: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrGqoISd-do&list=UUsZYUb8C_19bWOCKF9jRwSg
assbot: Globe footage captures shooting in Parliament building - YouTube
mircea_popescu: i suppose asking the brave&bold to crawl for two hundred yards is way too much huh.
bounce: not everybody has the guts to walk in rod straight with a campaign hat instead of a helmet and going "I love the smell of napalm in the morning", you know.
othernubs`: maybe i should submit a bitbet about the war measures act being enabled again
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20406 @ 0.00073761 = 15.0517 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: bounce and whoever does won't have em for long, you know ?
mircea_popescu: othernubs` sounds legit.
mircea_popescu: http://i.imgur.com/gF4DefU.jpg << the best part is where it says "pantalla tactil" and "together we work for you"
bounce: which is why they like their guns at the ready and their own profile minimised
mircea_popescu: seriously, that's not how it's done. these little bitches would get massacred if anyone seriously went at them.
assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2XFHE5K.txt )
BingoBoingo: !b 3 ✂︎
bounce: they're police wannabe soldiers, not actual combat vets
mircea_popescu: shocking video, anyway.
bounce: so why is this assad character so completely reviled, beyond resisting the arab spring thing?
BingoBoingo: http://www.allaccess.com/net-news/archive/story/134690/it-was-three-stannard-stations-hit-by-apparent-cry
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mircea_popescu: bounce he broke the us' back in the middle east.
mircea_popescu: remember that humiliating "chemical weapons" thing ?
bounce: not that that wouldn't have happened a bit later anyway, with the sharia-huggers
mircea_popescu: that was the first of since then numerous times putin shoved his cock in obama's butt.
BingoBoingo: bounce: He married a white girl is as far as I can tell.
mircea_popescu: he's not much more middleeastern-y-er than obam.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller: On a side note, I've noticed Roger Ver's bitcoinstore is not...around anymore? << well it wasn't really making all that much.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski: anthony di iorio, very memorably (because i've never seen this before), replied to my gpg-gram... in plaintext. and it included my original email. in plaintext. <<< ahahahh.this is like, what, built from the ground up with derpidity in mind ?
mircea_popescu: lmao.
bounce: stupid s/w and clueless user. it's what you get when most of the userbase is clueless: the writers of mailclients will also be clueless.
mircea_popescu: o so basically the idea is, client autodecrypted and then appended it to email history as per usual ?
thickasthieves: http://www.blockstream.com/sidechains.pdf
mircea_popescu: i suppose it's a good filter for the killfile.
bounce: dunno what happened. any user-agent headers in the original?
mircea_popescu: good q.
bounce has way too much to read. *sigh*
mircea_popescu: "339,192 US rank. This site reaches over 858 monthly people" << holy shit, it's not fucking possible that 1k people reading you on a monthly basis puts you in the top 300k sites on the internets.
bounce: them 'merkins really can't keep their fingers out of anything and they manage to fsck up everywhere. not a new observation, but it hasn't ceased to be painfully true either.
mircea_popescu: cazalla BingoBoingo : didja see quantcast's "affinity index" ? wired.com 32.7x reddit.com 26.2x zerohedge.com 26.1x theverge.com 20.8x wsj.com 19.3x. made to own, that thing.
BingoBoingo: Yeah
mircea_popescu: $depth S.QNTR
empyex: mircea_popescu: Want a bash? http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=38 Or use a valid MPSIC!
bounce: mind the "us" part. that's only some large fraction of 310M people. there's at least as many people online in china, and europe again, and so on.
mircea_popescu: bounce but 1k ? it's like... anything is seen by a thousand people in a month.
mircea_popescu: it's thirty a day for crissakes
bounce: you got the same numbers but for log.bitcoin-assets.com, just for comparison?
bounce: though that'd be the wrong thing to compare with. the other 'bitcoin'-news services would be better to compare with
mod6: ok ben_vulpes: works! http://dpaste.com/3RHJW3S
assbot: dpaste: 3RHJW3S
mircea_popescu: anyway, i was saying earlier i love varnish ? pre varnish, 89,441 pages, 207,229 hits. post varnish ? 58,692pages 58,707 hits. saved 100k hits or so.
mircea_popescu: bounce nah, qntra is the only thing on quantcast.
mircea_popescu: i am serious, there's just no way to run a web server w/o it.
mod6: there was 2 very minor changes to your sed command in there that PinkPosixPXE helped me with. needs to be: sed -i 's/USE_UPNP:=0/USE_UPNP=/1'
mod6: I'll paste the entire thing, just a sec.
BingoBoingo: http://www.computerhistory.org/_static/atchm/xerox-alto-source-code/ << Looky
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jurov: http://www.kommersant.ru/doc/2595277 << putin already saving oil companies from pension funds? happens rather quickly
assbot: -
mod6: ben_vulpes: http://dpaste.com/0BX9YV5
assbot: dpaste: 0BX9YV5
mircea_popescu: mod6 ben_vulpes would you two be interested in cochairing an ACTUAL bitcoin foundation ? dedicated to ~actually~ maintaining the bitcoin core etc ?
mod6: it'd be an honor, Sir.
mircea_popescu: draft a charter, then it gets gpg signed and that's it ? i'd donate
mircea_popescu: prolly not teh only one.
jurov: what about Chief Scientist and 5 econ muppets positions?
mircea_popescu: jurov none of that, i'm thinking more of, have two co-chairs, then when one wants to go out they vote unanimously to add a third, and after 6 months the retiring one can leave.
mircea_popescu: stable indefinitely like that.
jurov: i see. deaths are to be announced 6 moths prior, too.
thickasthieves: i had same idea this morning actually
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves good for you :)
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TheNewDeal: Ooo can I be fundraising chair?
TheNewDeal: I'll pledge a donation :D
mircea_popescu: jurov well, ideally people on death's door aren't in the chair position.
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal i dun thyink so. you see, it's by doing shit.
TheNewDeal: securing finances is just part of the mo?
mircea_popescu: notrly.
mircea_popescu: i think that'd be the other one.
jurov: ok srs. mod6 is a C++ programmer? or do you have any?
TheNewDeal: ooo the scamcoin foundation?
thickasthieves: should also require signed, narrated gpg for all distributions of funds
mircea_popescu: they can hire/work with whoever the fuck they want.
thickasthieves: run it totally transparently
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves absolutely.
mod6: i've done a fair amount of C++ in the past. a lot more C though, I must admit.
mircea_popescu: hire people like eulora hires people, on gpg contract.
mats_cd03: this sounds like something i want to be involved in ☟︎
mircea_popescu: cool!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17388 @ 0.00073629 = 12.8026 BTC [-]
bounce: mod6: what'd you work on?
jurov: where do you accept patches? i have one pending (for multiple walletsw)
jurov: it's against 0.8, tho
mircea_popescu: well once they actually get the charter signerd i suppose there's going to be a geethoob
jurov: and i was told the code was refactored quite
bounce: they're starting to bitch about browser versions
mircea_popescu: jurov not unfixable, that.
mircea_popescu: how, they ?
mircea_popescu: who*
bounce: perhaps not a good idea to rely on them. then again, hosting a git repo isn't exactly difficult.
jurov: bluematt iirc
mod6: bounce: noting in C++ that i can point to right this minute in OS space. Mostly C stuff is out there... my freebsd port I created is in C.
jurov: what about boost?
mircea_popescu: ah git. well u dunno man, that's why there's foundation chairs. sort this shit out.
bounce: what'd you port then?
mod6: oh a million years ago i created a port called 'destroy'
mod6: but been a freebsd guy for a long time, helped out on a lot of various things.
mod6: in user & kern
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5254 @ 0.00073885 = 3.8819 BTC [+]
mod6 fbsd since 4.2, obsd since 2.6
bounce: freebsd 4 best freebsd
mod6: ^
thestringpuller: you don't know if you're on death's door if you get assinated
thestringpuller: assassinated*
thestringpuller: wow
bounce: twice the ass
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller yeah, okay, if anyone gets ass-assinated we'll ad-hoc it k ?
mircea_popescu: no point in having pre-compiled code in case of exceptions. pre-compiled is for non exceptional stuff.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13750 @ 0.00074037 = 10.1801 BTC [+] {2}
bounce: do we have sources on us vs ru jet fighter quality other than herr orlov?
mircea_popescu: me ?
bounce: how'd that go? o_O
mircea_popescu: tis in the logs, i wonder how it's keyed
mircea_popescu: !s sukhoi
assbot: 1 results for 'sukhoi' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=sukhoi
mircea_popescu: a there we go. cool!
othernubs`: mircea_popescu> draft a charter, then it gets gpg signed and that's it ? i'd donate <<< me too
othernubs`: a single distro shames us all
mircea_popescu: especially a shitty one run in circles through featuritis swamp by idiots
othernubs`: SatoshiCore: don't run with the chumps
mircea_popescu: cazalla by the way, intel sez that the reason you've not heard from sgornick nor will you is that the guy meanwhile figured out i'm involved, and doesn't like me either because i said nigger or cunt at some point in the past.
mircea_popescu: othernubs` there's really no cause to fork the name too. let the gavin-mike-dorkteam run into obscurity and that's that.
bounce: ;;seen mistere
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othernubs`: yeah fair enough
mircea_popescu: this is bitcoin. that some other derps are calling their derpage bitcoin too... well who cares.
othernubs`: shit, drop the core and just call it Bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: the us congress calls itself sovereign. anyone can call anything
RagnarDanneskjol: spkg of name *motion to rename 'ACTUAL bitcoin foundation' to homebrew bitcoin club
othernubs`: aye
mircea_popescu: ;;ud spkg
gribble: Google found nothing.
RagnarDanneskjol: speaking
mircea_popescu: hardly. it'd be the bitcoin foundation. because it's what it is.
mircea_popescu: some other scamthing notwithstanding.
jurov regs therealbitcoinfoundation.org
mircea_popescu: bitcoin.foundation too ?
RagnarDanneskjol: ugh
jurov: taken
othernubs`: heh
mircea_popescu: which is my fucking point. this "name and logo" approach to "ideas" is for the birds.
mircea_popescu: what the fuck does it need a website for even.
jurov: it'll just be project on github?
BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2014/10/bitfury-capital-announces-investment-in-gocoin/
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mircea_popescu: if they even decide to use github
othernubs`: mod6 ben_vulpes put this book thing to rest once and for all; merge useful changes from 0.6.3 into 0.5.3 and call that your baseline
othernubs`: we'll publish the goddamn thing
othernubs`: sanity prevails
jurov: will be hosted on an obscure ipv6 addy :DDD
mircea_popescu: othernubs` "Bitcoin, the definitive edition" ?
mircea_popescu: jurov can be foundation.bitcoin-assets.com
mircea_popescu: or whatevs.
othernubs`: Bitcoin v6
othernubs`: canadian forces warning personnel not to wear their uniforms off-base?!
othernubs`: what madness is this
jurov: btcfoundation.org is regged to some "Matthew Campbell","Bryan Thomas Campbell Foundation", Scottsdale, US
othernubs`: soldier gets shot, solution is for all other soldiers to get naked
othernubs`: jurov, the basdard
Apocalyptic: that's a weird announcement to make...
othernubs`: truly bizarre
mod6: <+othernubs`> mod6 ben_vulpes put this book thing to rest once and for all; merge useful changes from 0.6.3 into 0.5.3 and call that your baseline << agreed.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19850 @ 0.00073584 = 14.6064 BTC [-] {2}
othernubs`: i'd recommend the next few minor releases merge as many non-crufty fixes from core as possible, but that's just one man's opinion
othernubs`: copy the cream, chuck the crap ☟︎
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8800 @ 0.00073506 = 6.4685 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker
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asciilifeform: maintain << i will, sure. if someone actually wants this.
asciilifeform: mainly because this involves virtually no work.
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BingoBoingo: !b 2 ✂︎
othernubs`: heh
othernubs`: asciilifeform, you okay with yr manuscript elucidating the forthcoming Real Bitcoin 0.6?
jurov: heh..wait till they break boost compat
asciilifeform: my manuscript, lol!?
bounce: how much boost is in there anyway?
othernubs`: ;D
asciilifeform: i'll breathe on it and bless it, promise.
othernubs`: calling it a book seems to boorish at this point
othernubs`: *too
othernubs`: these rubber keys..
othernubs`: can't wait to see the charter
asciilifeform: i refuse to build the winblows gui ver., though.
asciilifeform: (all others - sure, fuk, why not)
mike_c: charter ideas: 1) maintain a workable core with no shit in it. 2) specify bitcoin 3) write a new implementation because you can't polish a turd.
othernubs`: i don't think gui should be a priority, at all.
mod6: these are good ideas mike_c.
mod6: othernubs`: *nod*
othernubs`: i'll donate 1btc specifically to guarantee no gui for 0.6-0.7
mod6: gotta make it work, before we make it pretty right
othernubs`: ^
bounce: a workable api would be nice. the current js stuff is... er, open for improvement.
othernubs`: heh
othernubs`: bitcoinjs is actually not bad
othernubs`: but you're right
asciilifeform: donate... to guarantee no gui << Deal!! pay to xxxxx....
othernubs`: let others extend. i don't want gpg to incorporate curl libs so it can automatically grab otps from gribs
bounce: it's quite a lot useless if you're trying to build scripts with it, unless they're browser-based in some way
othernubs`: i don't want real bitcoin to come default w/ candy
othernubs`: bounce, node.js runtime
asciilifeform: and, naturally, replicable build setup (i'd suggest 'qemu' image. easy.)
othernubs`: open a bash prompt and type node wallet.js or w/e
bounce: yeah, that's the point. useless on the cli, where you'd throw awk at it instead.
othernubs`: !up omg_hax
asciilifeform: no, that's braindamaged. qemu image - complete minimal bsd with all components, boots up (emulated) on any arch from any culture. ☟︎
jurov: well.. seems like we need to draft a roadmap
jurov: and if without gui, then it should work fine on cygwin, no?
jurov: qemu has poor i/o perf
asciilifeform: forget maps - if someone actually wants this, no joke, i'll simply crap it out. just say where we'll keep it.
bounce: no usage, no manpage, unobvious naming.
asciilifeform: poor i/o performance << not for using!! for building.
bounce: oh, and deceptive. recall that shop that relied on its "accounting" features, then found out the hard way they're useless for keeping track of accounts?
bounce: they got derided for that, but really, the feature shouldn't have been in there in the first place. that, or something that actually did what it said it'd do.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20900 @ 0.00074076 = 15.4819 BTC [+] {3}
asciilifeform: 'qemu' is simply a machine emulator (x86, mips, sparc, a few others) - we can use another if someone has a good reason to dislike qemu
bounce: how available is it?
asciilifeform: eveveryone please try to grasp why i suggest emulator. this gives a complete self-contained block of bits which reliably builds the apparatus. no external anything, ever.
The20YearIRCloud: mircea_popescu: - I've passed out a few, not to all tenants though due to the baby being born on last rent cycle
asciilifeform: available << gpl2
bounce: the problem with that is that the emulator itself should be widely available too.
BingoBoingo: qemu is available just about anywhere
mircea_popescu: <othernubs`> can't wait to see the charter << me2
jurov: i am fine with qemu... but... it builds and then what?
jurov: you have to feed it a blockchain to avoid endless waiting?
mircea_popescu: othernubs`> i don't think gui should be a priority, at all. << prolly not. if they kill the qt branch it would be no loss anyway
asciilifeform: plus, a snapshot of ordinary x86 bsd install 'for qemu' could be booted on a physical machine. the suggested distribution mechanism is just a way to keep the thing reliably portable without having folks dependency-hunt.
bounce: the bitcoin source is actually reasonably portable and doesn't depend on "helpful" stuff like cmake
mircea_popescu: othernubs`> let others extend. i don't want gpg to incorporate curl libs so it can automatically grab otps from gribs << EXACTLY. do one thing, do it well.
bounce: probably should do multiple image formats for the time being though
asciilifeform: it builds and then what << damned if i know. then, folks who actually use bitcoin for something, can, presumably, use this one if they so wish
mircea_popescu: all this non-unix bs, "gotta make an application to join curl and awk EACH WAY THEY COULD BE JOINED". for fiddy billion "different" aps.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the term you're looking for is 'non-orthogonality' - ancient lament on my site
bounce: one thing that would be useful but is probably not that trivial to implement is a way to split keeping the chain and keeping the keys
mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud o happy bday.
ben_vulpes: mod6, othernubs`: i'm behind on logs, but this is amenable.
ben_vulpes: ugh amenable
ben_vulpes: it's fine and great i mean to say
The20YearIRCloud: mircea_popescu: thanks, although you're a few weeks late :D
othernubs`: copacetic
jurov: bounce this is nowallet=1 parameter since 0.9
mircea_popescu: <jurov> and if without gui, then it should work fine on cygwin, no? << probably.
asciilifeform: so does someone actually want this for anything? and othernubs has a tree up for comment?
mircea_popescu: <bounce> oh, and deceptive. recall that shop that relied on its "accounting" features, then found out the hard way they're useless for keeping track of accounts? << yeah and definitely must fix, but that'll be hard to do on the first pass. an excellent thing to do for first revision tho, take out "labels" implement accounts correctly (or merge coin control in, either way)
bounce: so how do the wallets relying on it then ascertain the validity of the chain that instance serves?
mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> qemu is available just about anywhere << this is true.
mircea_popescu: <jurov> you have to feed it a blockchain to avoid endless waiting? << not like we can't keep an official copy for bootstrapping, or else people who have the patience can just make their own
bounce: it's still going to be a bitch for shops that're running, say, xen or vmware or whatnot.
mircea_popescu: <bounce> the bitcoin source is actually reasonably portable and doesn't depend on "helpful" stuff like cmake << also true.
jurov: you can run qemu under xen and whatnot fine
mircea_popescu: ^
bounce: though boost is a right pain and bloody big.
asciilifeform: even contemplating basic auditability requires a 'capsule' that does not need to milk anything (save mains current) from the outside world, during build setup
mircea_popescu: which is another very valid 2nd step, audit the motherucker.
asciilifeform: hence emulator with expected 'gcc', known libs, etc
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes mod6 so draft a charter, then we can bitch at it.
othernubs`: yeah, that's valid
jurov: how it is better as distributing signed binaries?
othernubs`: ^ also valid
mircea_popescu: true.
asciilifeform: how it is better as distributing signed binaries? << iron correspondence btween claimed source and claimed binaries. only one way to achieve this reliably - the one suggested above.
othernubs`: maybe it's fair to put the burden of the system's basic integrity on the user
ben_vulpes: i've never written a charter, are there good examples out there?
mircea_popescu: and since we're doing this : asciilifeform the one thing you'd be most halpful with would be, look into the god damned rand code/crypto uses thereof.
othernubs`: boot up a vm!
mircea_popescu: there HAVE been cases where bitcoin used shitty entropy.
asciilifeform: vm << no vm. known emulated cpu for known state, always.
jurov: yes, you can make the qemu image available for reproducible builds, but dunno if to advertise as sop for everyone
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> ben_vulpes mod6 so draft a charter, then we can bitch at it. << okay :)
mircea_popescu: jurov b-a is not for everyone.
ben_vulpes: http://www.nhplace.com/kent/CL/x3j13-sd-05.html
assbot: X3J13 Charter
asciilifeform: qemu only for builders / paranoiacs. ordinary mortals can use the resulting binaries.
mod6: <+ben_vulpes> i've never written a charter, are there good examples out there? << me either, but we can work on it. no sweat.
asciilifeform: i'll happily take a weekend off to read the rng gibblets, once you lot draft a proclamation of Giving A Fuck
othernubs`: if you guys need assistance editing it, i may be of some help
BingoBoingo: I have a feeling the great use of Deedbot will be proclamations of giving a fuck.
asciilifeform: oh and yes, i'll crap out a qemu (or bochs - does anyone prefer bochs?) image.
othernubs`: highest grade i ever got in a math degree was 98% in a technical writing course ;0
jurov: vakgrind can use either?
jurov: *valgrind
mircea_popescu: <mod6> <+ben_vulpes> i've never written a charter, are there good examples out there? << me either, but we can work on it. no sweat. << you've read plenty of mpex contracts, good enough. keep it direct, plain and simp,le.
othernubs`: qemu sounds like a start
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hopefully that's done by fri.
mike_c: <+ben_vulpes> http://www.nhplace.com/kent/CL/x3j13-sd-05.html << this seems like a good, simple, plain example.
asciilifeform: valgrind << will run inside. it attaches to a process. if you want out-of-band (say, kernel diddling) both emulators present 'gdb' interface to the outside, stop cpu, play
mircea_popescu: certainly the cl is a good antecessor.
bounce: redo the whole thing in cl in a night already
mod6: mircea_popescu: ok thanks, good point.
mircea_popescu: except it should be explicitly exclusive rather than inclusive. "We will NOT work with unqualified third parties, which is to say parties that have not satisfied their log reading and wot presence prequalifications." ☟︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: care to upload a favourite and signed openbsd installer? then we roll tonight.
mod6: we'll draft up something, probably have something for all to look at by end of tomorrow or friday? hope that's not too long.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i rarely if at all run openbsd tho ?
mircea_popescu: mod6 if it's by friday it's perfect.
mod6: ok. sounds good. we'll dig in. :)
mircea_popescu: if lenin were alive today lenin would be begging us to let him in this chan.
asciilifeform: who has the bitcoind tree? othernubs?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you mean the source tarballs ?
asciilifeform: deturdified src
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes prolly.
mircea_popescu: punkman yeah speaking of all this comotion, any chance we get the deedbot up by fri ?
mircea_popescu: !up FabianB
asciilifeform: redo the whole thing in cl in a night already << ask me again in peacetime
jurov just snatched therealbitcoin.org/.com . we'll see. ☟︎
bounce: can throw a git repo at it for starters
mircea_popescu: can';t hurt.
jurov: just http for now?
bounce: why not
mircea_popescu: https is about as useful as tits on a boar.
bounce: though no, best put a ssh thingy for commit on it
jurov: yes, ssh i meant
mircea_popescu: gpg commits!
mircea_popescu: get everyone used to checking sigs.
mircea_popescu: nonw of this ssh bs
mircea_popescu: none*
jurov: via irc bots! bring the noize!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i rarely if at all run openbsd tho << now we know, he has personal os and btc apparatus! with alien technology.
bounce: no idea how that works. you'd have to have git check against valid gpg sigs from blessed keys or something?
asciilifeform: gpg commits << yay! somebody Gets It
mircea_popescu: jurov might be a good idea via bots, so people can commit from here directly, but even w/o that : a contrib that is signed is signed permanently.
mircea_popescu: a contrib that is submitted via ssh WAS, maybe, perhaps, signed at some point.
bounce: no real point trying to go through bots when git can do it right away
jurov: i have to look into how signed commits are done
mircea_popescu: bounce only because people see it in the logs.
mircea_popescu: jurov it can just be wrapped in gpg --clearsign you know ?
bounce: you can have git trigger a log whatnot and feed that to the other end of a bot
mircea_popescu: certainly.
jurov: mircea_popescu: but iirc it signs the diff, not just commit message
asciilifeform: how to do signed commits << the barbarian way. everyone who read a patch file (yes) and is willing to sign under it, signs. this gets posted. whoever wants, can apply the patches to get a merged turdball.
punkman: mircea_popescu: yeah should be up by friday
mircea_popescu: i have no idea, never looked that closely.
mircea_popescu: !up Plaxant
BingoBoingo: !up Plaxant
mircea_popescu: too slow bingo
mircea_popescu: punkman ideal.
BingoBoingo: Yeah, I'm slowing in my old age
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> how to do signed commits << the barbarian way. everyone who read a patch file (yes) and is willing to sign under it, signs. this gets posted. whoever wants, can apply the patches to get a merged turdball. << i think this is exactly how it should go. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: we need to create that "have read" accounting scheme i was talking about weeks ago.
mircea_popescu: there's no other way to trust software.
kakobrekla: (while pretending you can run 'safe' sw)
asciilifeform: this is all quite trivial, so far (until someone starts insisting on actual work)
mircea_popescu: it's one thing to trust this rnd function because asciilifeform and 25 others signed on reading it. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: it's another to trust it because asciilifeform commited it, and therefore perhaps read it, and it's open source so therefore "billions of eye pairs"
asciilifeform: !s eyes flies
assbot: 4 results for 'eyes flies' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=eyes+flies
kakobrekla: meant doesnt mean shit
kakobrekla: meat*
mircea_popescu: depends how long it has in the sun
kakobrekla: anyway, some years at the future
kakobrekla: all will be same, just you will be pissed at other people
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla bitbet ?
kakobrekla: only goes 1year
mircea_popescu: so then say this again later we see ? :D
kakobrekla: anytime
asciilifeform: incidentally, reserving signature for 'i approve this message' is braindamaged. should sign with comments like 'this line is ok unless goldbach's conjecture is proven false, then yer phucked' etc.
mircea_popescu: ;;ident kakobrekla
gribble: Nick 'kakobrekla', with hostmask 'kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla', is not identified.
mircea_popescu: ha! SCAEM
kakobrekla: sec
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform commenting the source code is never a bad idea.
mircea_popescu: commenting it to show when it won't work rather than "what you imagine it does" is even more useful.
kakobrekla: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:29b32a6e9c213016f07aaf303a9adac1b91adf57541c8ff3d298f2fc
gribble: You are now authenticated for user kakobrekla with key 27AF75321F2489E8
mircea_popescu: people need a lot more negativity in their life to be happy and productive and members of society.
asciilifeform: ^^^^
Plaxant: mircea_popescu agree, if you have no negativity in your life you skate and just don't care about doing better.
Plaxant: it's like trying to eliminate stress, never going to happen.
asciilifeform: and why did this have to wait for crackpot to ask for a printed satoshi turd, i wonder.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11150 @ 0.00073623 = 8.209 BTC [-]
bounce: I'd probably want a mailinglist to toss patches around, though
asciilifeform: bounce: toss them around by carrier pigeon or catapult if you like. if they're signed, they're signed.
kakobrekla: yeah well i wonder why is anyone still connected to irc being all idealistic and shit
[]bot: Bet created: "Light Sweet Crude Oil (WTI) Feb 2015 to drop under $70 before 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1059/
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: why is anyone still connected to irc << priced pigeons lately?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12250 @ 0.00073501 = 9.0039 BTC [-] {3}
jurov: i vote for patch delivery via ICBMs
kakobrekla: pigeons are more idealistic?!
asciilifeform: submarine.
kakobrekla: so, my point did not get across?
asciilifeform: ;;google RFC 1149
gribble: RFC 1149 - Standard for the transmission of IP datagrams on avian ...: <https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1149>; IP over Avian Carriers (1149) - Wikipedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_over_Avian_Carriers>; RFC1149 avia - Internet FAQ Archives: <http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1149.html>
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform cause it's how things run in this life.
mircea_popescu: never underestimate the importance of crackpot demands.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla didn't, no. you're too dry for this language :)
thickasthieves: "US will monitor travelers for three weeks when arriving from Ebola-stricken countries" it begins...
bounce: *nobody able to discern any change*
mircea_popescu: !up bradedwards
kakobrekla: ircing on a broken sw stack running on a broken hw stack
kakobrekla: weird some nuke doesnt go off when i do !up
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla yet./
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: lol. if all the hatemail i got, on this specific theme, were to be printed, it would be as tall as my leg.
bradedwards: Hey room, I was told about you all by a friend of mine Mitch Callahan. He showed me Qntra, and I like your approach. Less corporate news, more honest. Less polished, mroe of the harsh truths the community needs to hear. Just wanted to stop by and voice my appreciation and support
asciilifeform: 'you lamer, betcha own x86 boxes and like it, trololol'
kakobrekla: why 'hate' mail ?
kakobrekla: heh
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you got tall legs ?
punkman: interesting https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=252674.0 https://blockchain.info/address/1FYMZEHnszCHKTBdFZ2DLrUuk3dGwYKQxh
assbot: First post and an interesting observation about ECDSA
assbot: Bitcoin Address 1FYMZEHnszCHKTBdFZ2DLrUuk3dGwYKQxh
asciilifeform: reasonably.
mircea_popescu: bradedwards that's nice. now get in the wot ?
[]bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Light Sweet Crude Oil (WTI) Feb 2015 to drop under $70 before 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1059/ Odds: 96(Y):4(N) by coin, 96(Y):4(N) by weight. Total bet: 1.1 BTC. Current weight: 99,982.
bradedwards: the wot?
kakobrekla: its more of a 'truth' mail
kakobrekla: :D
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> 'you lamer, betcha own x86 boxes and like it, trololol' << pete got a bunch of that on his software doesn't fail recent thing too
mircea_popescu: ;;google what the wot is, how it works and how to use it
gribble: How WOT ratings work | Help Center | WOT (Web of Trust): <http://www.mywot.com/en/faq/website/rating-websites>; Why WOT works | WOT (Web of Trust): <http://www.mywot.com/en/support/how-wot-works>; What the WoT is for, how it works and how to use it. pe Trilema - Un ...: <http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/>
mircea_popescu: ;;google first steps in bitcoin-assets
gribble: start [bitcoin assets wiki]: <http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/>; Why the IRS Is Taxing Bitcoins as an Asset - The Motley Fool: <http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2014/03/26/why-the-irs-is-taxing-bitcoins-as-an-asset.aspx>; Bitcoin fund launches - Futures: <http://www.futuresmag.com/2014/09/22/bitcoin-fund-launches>
mircea_popescu: bradedwards ^
kakobrekla: not the lamer part, but the x86.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5432 @ 0.00073465 = 3.9906 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: we did talk about this.
kakobrekla: no need to rehash.
asciilifeform: !s bitsquatting
assbot: 5 results for 'bitsquatting' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=bitsquatting
kakobrekla: ah that
kakobrekla: nvm
asciilifeform: ^ re: the evil addr thing
asciilifeform: re: x86 << remember the stories of downed pilots dining on insects? that.
kakobrekla: myea
kakobrekla: dunno when the dignity kicks in
mircea_popescu: if you ended up stranded on the island of ugly women, you WOULD fuck ugly women, until they had some less ugly daughters to fuck
mircea_popescu: incest selection!
asciilifeform: there we go.
mircea_popescu: then you'd make the two least ugly make out together, too.
kakobrekla: personal decision really.
mircea_popescu: which is kinda what we're doing here.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla no homo ?
kakobrekla: no homo.
mircea_popescu: nttawwi
kakobrekla: you can as well not fuck.
kakobrekla: and i mean anything.
mircea_popescu: right. but you are here.
asciilifeform: you can as well not fuck << the perelman solution, yes.
kakobrekla: yup
asciilifeform: i personally know fine folks who've perelmanned. e.g., al schwartz. i miss them, but understand.
kakobrekla: i guess he has the dignity.
mircea_popescu: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_nqnZJRUl4zU/TAz29K6wHXI/AAAAAAAADh8/W2G-zn0Sq3Y/s400/Meet+the+Tiger+Dog+Chinese+pet+owners+dye+pets+to+look+like+wild+animals+in+new+craze+1.jpg
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla the dignity of virgins is a metaphysical subject.
kakobrekla: cool, i like meta.
bounce: tiger dogs. very chinese thing to do.
kakobrekla: only if they are eaten
mircea_popescu: assbot: NOT OK GOOGLE: Android images can conceal code The Register << steganography strikes again. hard as shit to filter.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: http://i.imgur.com/7t3Ow2A.png <<< lol this is just about right.
asciilifeform: hard as shit to filter << rigorously provably impossible.
asciilifeform: in the general case.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8900 @ 0.00073632 = 6.5532 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: well sure, but the general case is uncommon :D
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7492 @ 0.00073769 = 5.5268 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: obligatory: https://code.google.com/p/corkami <<<< and grep for 'polyglot'
assbot: corkami - Reverse engineering & visual documentations - Google Project Hosting
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: ikr
bounce: how do they manage to take a picture and end up feeding it to the package installer? o_O
mircea_popescu: because user friendly ?
mircea_popescu: pretty sure the paclkage manager handles pics on a routine basis
bounce: then I'd say "user friendly" is the security vulnerability here
mircea_popescu: well yes, idiot user is the vulnerability.
bounce: similarly with some of the vectors to use shell shock. how does a dns lookup request end up on the server being fed to a bash process, exactly?
mircea_popescu: that was biw.
mircea_popescu: ;;ud biw
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=biw | Apr 28, 2012 ... biw. A common used phrase on the internet in the Netherlands. It means 'ben ik weer' - 'i'm back'. 'Biw, is er iets mis?' - 'Biw, is there something ...
asciilifeform: ultimately, looking for vulns in a system that doesn't fit in a head is rather like looking for particular health problems in a fresh corpse.
mircea_popescu: mno. "because it works"
bounce: "idiot user" is too easily said. the real problem is lack of education and devs going "oh we'll make the software SMRT so you don't have to think at all!"
asciilifeform: for idiot users - idiot vulns. for clever users - clever ones. to each - his own.
mircea_popescu: bounce you mayhap have a point. iirc this vuln was writing past the end tag and adding a 2nd spurious end tag.
mircea_popescu: could have been used to exploit say tar just as well.
mircea_popescu: so not really user's fault in any sense. bad parsers.
mircea_popescu: $depth S.QNTR
empyex: mircea_popescu: Want a bash? http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=86 Or use a valid MPSIC!
mircea_popescu: $depth S.MPOE
empyex: mircea_popescu: [S.MPOE] Bids: 13705 @ 0.00073465 27750 @ 0.00073452 14087 @ 0.00073449 13975 @ 0.00073433
empyex: mircea_popescu: [S.MPOE] Asks: 3774 @ 0.00073585 2768 @ 0.00073769 40436 @ 0.00074160 5200 @ 0.00074177
mircea_popescu: FabianB any idea why it doesn't like qntr ?
kakobrekla: prolly nothing the the your feed
kakobrekla: -the
kakobrekla: wtf
kakobrekla: i cant even type
mircea_popescu: http://mpex.co/mpex-mktdepth.php << it's there.
kakobrekla: !t m s.qntr
assbot: Some are born to endless night.
kakobrekla: emmm
mircea_popescu: well no tickers it never traded yt
mod6: mpex seems down for me.
mircea_popescu: $proxies
empyex: mircea_popescu: Proxies: mpex.co mpex.biz mpex.ws mpex.bz mpex.coinbr.com Current MPEx GPG-Key-ID: 02DD2D91
kakobrekla: !t m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00073465 / 0.00073821 / 0.0007416 (1074379 shares, 793.12 BTC), 7D: 0.0007342 / 0.00073847 / 0.00074252 (7160396 shares, 5,287.81 BTC), 30D: 0.00073316 / 0.0007424 / 0.00075684 (26086000 shares, 19,366.28 BTC)
mod6: lemme check.biz
kakobrekla: that werks
empyex: mircea_popescu: MPEx-Status: mpex.co (94 milliseconds), mpex.coinbr.com (446 milliseconds), mpex.ws (4839 milliseconds), mpex.biz (error), mpex.bz (error)
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla yes becasuse s.mpoe traded.
empyex: mircea_popescu: Health-Indicators: Homepage: √ MK Depth JSON: √ VWAP JSON: √
mod6: huh
BingoBoingo: ;;isup mpex.ws
gribble: mpex.ws is up
mod6: hmm. i can't get to any of 'em, maybe i r blocked
kakobrekla: yes i understand, i was just checking if there something wrong with the feed when mod6 mentioned 'down'
jurov: bz/biz up here
mircea_popescu: ;;isup mpex.biz
gribble: mpex.biz is up
mircea_popescu: mod6 possibly a dns isasue ? nobody;'s blocked.
mircea_popescu: pls to check for cache poisonings!
mod6: hmm. ill see.
mircea_popescu: and let me know
kakobrekla: im listening to some french dude and can hardly assemble sentences at same time
kakobrekla: doesnt happen with englishmen
mircea_popescu: maybe he's a rapper ?
bounce: how about trying to assemble french sentences?
kakobrekla: takes too much brainpower to parse and decrypt frenchmen
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: this is how they went from world empire to belgian suburb.
diametric: http://money.cnn.com/2014/10/21/investing/warren-buffett-berkshire-lost-2-billion/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
assbot: Warren Buffett's Berkshire loses $2 billion in two days - Oct. 21, 2014
diametric: lolz.
mircea_popescu: o noes ?!
kakobrekla: no link to bitbet?
mircea_popescu: llol
mircea_popescu: cnn is a libtard venue i read somewhere.
mircea_popescu: but i mean big fucking deal, when bitcoin went from 1200 to 600 i "lost" like a bn too.
asciilifeform: no link to bitbet << It Would Be Wrong! (TM)
mircea_popescu: But it's not all bad news for Berkshire. Investors are sticking with their icon. Berkshire stock climbed slightly on Monday and Tuesday, and is up more than 17% this year -- far outpacing the broader market. <<< consider this lulz.
mircea_popescu: ko missed, tesco lost 50% yoy, ibm just paid a bn to gut itself. so now it's basically a real estate agent (as previously discussed, in these very logs, before the news hit)
mircea_popescu: yet the berkshire stock is... up. because logics.
undata: "sticking with their icon" captures it
mircea_popescu: so i guess we'll be... sticking it to them ?
mircea_popescu: with their iron ?
mike_c: berkshire isn't a holding company.
mike_c: or, an investment fund.
mike_c: couple stock holdings taking a hit isn't that big a deal
mircea_popescu: how isn't it a holding company ?!
mike_c: s/holding company/investment fund/
mircea_popescu: ah
mircea_popescu: if it loses the usg bezzle lifeline (wf) it's gonna be "all" rather than "some" tho.
mike_c: your FUD won't win you that bitbet ;)
mircea_popescu: lolk
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9650 @ 0.00073459 = 7.0888 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: anyway, i wonder if his continued purchases as the stock market goes down indicate that the bonds will get axed or that he's out of the loop
BingoBoingo: ;;isup qntra.net
mike_c: berkshire wells fargo holdings are currently worth $24B
gribble: qntra.net is down
mircea_popescu: look at that, dow is only down 1.5% today
mircea_popescu: nowai again ?!
BingoBoingo: Again
mike_c: which represents 7% of brk.a market cap
mike_c: plus he would get good tax benefits if it went to 0
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo there's a dns issue in progress.
BingoBoingo: Ah, ic
mircea_popescu: can you reach it via ip ?
mike_c: warren has a fortress. not easily assailable.
mircea_popescu: mike_c except if the dow continues doing 1-2 percents a day for the next three months.
kakobrekla: asciilifeform iirc you mentioned some skin irritation/allergies and the lack of those in ro?
BingoBoingo: IP Address - 149,233 other sites hosted on this server per http://whois.domaintools.com/qntra.net
mike_c: last 3 months: dow -5%, brk +7%
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo dns poisoned!
BingoBoingo: I dunno just quoting site that calls itself "domain tools"
mircea_popescu: nuts.
BingoBoingo: the may simply be a historical record
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: yes. i've a year-round allergy from 1993 or so to present time, with small break during trip to Ro
kakobrekla: at least now _we_ know the cause.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo http://pastebin.com/JUFBdyyp << that's how dns response should look
assbot: ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;qntra.net.INA ;; ANSWER SECTION: qntra.net.0IN - Pastebin.com
gribble: Error: "QUESTION" is not a valid command.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo is localhost.
BingoBoingo: Website works
mike_c: *** google-public-dns-a.google.com can't find qntra.net: Server failed
mircea_popescu: there's some sort of dns attax at work.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I know local host, but didn't qntra.net point there at one point?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo not recently tho
bounce: SERVFAIL. oopsie.
mircea_popescu: da fuck.
mircea_popescu: well, until i hear any better this is neither malicious nor qntra/polimedia ns specific.
mircea_popescu: some dns infrastructure just caught fire and fell over it seems
mike_c: yeah, your nameservers
mircea_popescu: mike_c no, because they answer me.
bounce: you may have a local cache that hasn't timed out yet
mircea_popescu: hm.
kakobrekla: asciilifeform its x86.
bounce: what was that across-the-globe dns thingy again?
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: the cause << lol, berkshire?
mike_c: nslookup qntra.net
Apocalyptic: bounce, https://www.whatsmydns.net/ ?
assbot: Global DNS Propagation Checker - What's My DNS?
mike_c: Server failed
kakobrekla: asciilifeform x86, transmittable over irc
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: loltron. nah, we had an 'iskra' (8086 clone originally built for soviet tanks.) so no dice.
kakobrekla: well viruses and bacteria evolve.
bounce: yes, thanks. broken everywhere.
mircea_popescu: yeah it's broken.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18492 @ 0.00073708 = 13.6301 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: i dunno how the fuck i keep getting spam then, hesus.
cazalla: qntra down eh
mircea_popescu: cazalla some dns issue i dunno wtf it is but being workt on
asciilifeform: does nubs have a deturdified bitcoind src?
jurov: mkay...so is there a consensus what should therealbitcoin host? only http git repo for now?
kakobrekla: host the real altcoin?
kakobrekla: i make a joke see
bounce: oh. ha ha. so, [x] laughed. next item.
mike_c: in short order it will be hosting the charter i assume.
kakobrekla: jurov is gonna get ddosed
asciilifeform: i suggest going with whoever had the mailing list idea. emphasize the 'we sign things and so mechanism doesn't matter' aspect. ☟︎
FabianB: $depth S.QNTR
empyex: FabianB: [S.QNTR] Bids: 1000 @ 0.00014000 10000 @ 0.00013514 20000 @ 0.00012995 100000 @ 0.00009995
empyex: FabianB: [S.QNTR] Asks:
asciilifeform: -- and that way the www site can be 100 percent static.
FabianB: mircea_popescu: ^^ fixed
FabianB: $mpexstatus
empyex: FabianB: Proxies: mpex.ws mpex.coinbr.com mpex.co mpex.bz mpex.biz Current MPEx GPG-Key-ID: 02DD2D91
empyex: FabianB: MPEx-Status: mpex.coinbr.com (706 milliseconds), mpex.co (947 milliseconds), mpex.ws (error), mpex.bz (error), mpex.biz (error)
empyex: FabianB: Health-Indicators: Homepage: √ MK Depth JSON: √ VWAP JSON: ✗
jurov: okay, so i'll go make s3 bucket for it. if someone throws terabytes/day on it and makes it expensive for me then we'll see what next
kakobrekla: depth up vwap down ??
kakobrekla: well it doesnt need to be up at all times
kakobrekla: just that host doesnt kick you
FabianB: jurov: mircea_popescu: why is http://mpex.co/mpex-vwap.php and http://mpex.coinbr.com/mpex-vwap.php different?
kakobrekla: cause one is coinbr
kakobrekla: and the other is mpex
kakobrekla: :)
jurov: FabianB: mircea asked for it to be cached
FabianB: ic, so coinbr is older
jurov: so it is 5 mins or so.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00073942 = 6.9505 BTC [+]
FabianB: jurov: but http://mpex.co/mpex-mktdepth.php and http://mpex.coinbr.com/mpex-vwap.php look identical
FabianB: jurov: is vwap and depth mixed up?
jurov: obv they aren't cached/invalidated at the same time
FabianB: jurov: no, coinbr vwap.php shows mktdepth.php content
jurov: ahhh
FabianB: that's why mpexstatus shows vwap as being broken i think
FabianB: it only checks the health indicator line for the first proxy (fastest ping proxy), which above was coinbr proxy
mircea_popescu: <FabianB> mircea_popescu: ^^ fixed < ty!
mircea_popescu: oh interesting huh
asciilifeform: i dare suggest a simple antisp4mz0r filter for mailing list - only messages signed from +v #b-a folks accepted.
mircea_popescu: what, just like deeds registrar ?
kakobrekla: bitbet - worst support ever!
mircea_popescu: so basically... deeds-based mail list ?
asciilifeform: aha.
kakobrekla: just like asciilifeform slaves in the us i must talk to strangers over email :(
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla at least you don;t have to moderate for child porn.
kakobrekla: yet
kakobrekla: i was assbot the other day
kakobrekla: recall that?
mircea_popescu: oh
asciilifeform: i should clarify, not literal +v, incl. 'up' folks. the magic 29 pubkeys.
asciilifeform: will work, fleanode or no fleanode
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.00073942 = 3.845 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: better than ignoring the sender would be making the sender unable to send in the first place.
mircea_popescu: gotta start somewhere
asciilifeform: i confess that i rather like the mailing list idea. readily convertible to 'apocalyptic' shortwave radio...
bounce: shortwave radio mailing lists? o_O?
asciilifeform: if you can get a signed gibblet in, by land, by sea, by pigeon - and signature is one of the chosen - message is in next broadcast. 'cheap and angry' - like 'mpex' et al.
bounce would like bitcoin address-signed mail. if you're going ahead with the signage requirement, lemme see if I can whip up a verifier for that.
cazalla: mircea_popescu: cazalla by the way, intel sez that the reason you've not heard from sgornick nor will you is that the guy meanwhile figured out i'm involved, and doesn't like me either because i said nigger or cunt at some point in the past. <<< what a fucking cunt
Apocalyptic: "bitcoin address-signed mail" // meh, what's wrong with gpg keys ?
asciilifeform: bad enough that btc uses ecdsa. i rather wish it were something that could be discouraged, rather than we were to depend yet more on it.
BingoBoingo: ^ this
Apocalyptic: ^
bounce: the email signage is clunky. both kinds. all kinds, really.
mircea_popescu: ;;isup qntra.net
gribble: qntra.net is up
bounce: the ecdsa stuff is short enough to fit conveniently in a header or two
mircea_popescu: okay. i have nfi what happened there, but rolled new dns servers and all seems well ?
mircea_popescu: bounce what'd be the benefit ?
asciilifeform: bounce: re: short & convenient ecdsa keys << 'the easy cheese lives - in the mousetrap.'
nubbins`: someone more familiar with github than I should probably set up the repository
nubbins`: just clone 0.5.3 into it for now and we can identify what gets chucked from there
mircea_popescu: wow the oiriginal nubbins!
Apocalyptic: nubbins`, I think jurov is on it
mircea_popescu: hey listen we had an impostor here for days
bounce: no ugly as fuck crap added to the body, basically. proper integration with email by using its facilities instead of reinventing them, clunkily.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu am i even better in person?!
mircea_popescu: it was like... let's string him along guyse
nubbins`: mp i hope you tricked him into thinking he was gonna print a bunch of stuff
mircea_popescu: bounce i was talking about "sign with bitcoin address"
mircea_popescu: nubbins` no, asciilifeform did that.
mircea_popescu: it was a riot, you shoulda seen
nubbins`: heh
bounce: and so was I
nubbins`: imagine!
mircea_popescu: bounce i do not use an "email client" that's gpg able
BingoBoingo: My worry with ECDSA for signing critical things is using the same keypair too many times increases the chances a bad k can enter the mix
mircea_popescu: nor do i think it's a half -good idea.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo quite.
nubbins`: actually i suppose a better idea is to deturdify 0.5.3 first
mircea_popescu: perhaps as important : bitcoin addresses are for getting paid. NOT for proving your identity
mircea_popescu: mixing these two is antidesign.
nubbins`: no sense including turds in first commit
mircea_popescu: sign with your signature, pay with your wallet.
asciilifeform: no sense including turds in first commit << surprisingly, i must disagree. we gotta show the pedigree from classical bitcoind.
nubbins`: a-ha, that's also fair
mircea_popescu: lol yeap.
nubbins`: so clone 0.5.3 to our tree as 0.5.3
nubbins`: remove qt etc, add non-shit additions from 0.6-0.6.3
nubbins`: release it as real 0.6
asciilifeform: first someone please unearth a genuine vintage tarball of 0.5.3. github of poundation sc4mz0rz could be doctored.
nubbins`: dance into the sunset holding hands
mike_c: why not release it as real 0.1
mircea_popescu: cuz it's not teh 0.1 not rly.
mike_c: it's not 0.6 rly either
mircea_popescu: i could see an argument for releasing it as the real 0.9 tho
nubbins`: sure it is
mircea_popescu: or w/e the derps are doing currently.
nubbins`: haha head 'em off
nubbins`: bitcoin x
mike_c: hey thickasthieves, wake up and back me up. this things needs different branding.
nubbins`: i'd be more in favor of mirroring derp release numbers for now
nubbins`: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-10-2014#888296 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 22-10-2014 17:56:50; othernubs`: copy the cream, chuck the crap
nubbins`: next release, 0.7, takes actual improvements from 0.7.* series and weeds out crud
nubbins`: etc
mike_c: uh, like all of it?
mike_c: why the fuck would this project follow in derpy footsteps?
mircea_popescu: yeah srsly.
asciilifeform: first - we pillage. Then - we burn.
nubbins`: heh
bounce: guy got the order right
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but pillage the whole thing in one go.
nubbins`: this is assuming there are useful bugfixes in 0.7-0.9
mike_c: right, which is v0.1 - pillaging.
asciilifeform: yes.
nubbins`: i'm sure there must be
nubbins`: however few
mircea_popescu: mike_c why "different branding" ?
nubbins`: this is what, a couple weeks of sifting to identify em
nubbins`: we'd be at 0.9 by xmas
mike_c: because it will be different (and better)
nubbins`: no, core is different :D
PeterL: but it will still be "bitcoin"
mike_c: and that is worth signifying, instead of looking like a clone.
mircea_popescu: mike_c usgavin's crap is the different
mircea_popescu: and worse.
mircea_popescu: that's the message here. we got the brand.
mike_c: exactly, so why follow their lead?
asciilifeform: reactionary deeds, not mere words, yes.
mircea_popescu: the wanna-bes on the outskirts of bitcoin are making baseless claims to a continuity that doesn't exist.
mike_c: i would rather use b-a bitcoin v0.1 over derpy bitcoin v0.9
mircea_popescu: mike_c the crocodile that opens maw to let stuff in, then lets water back out is not following toads lead.
mircea_popescu: it's merely eating toads.
mike_c: yeah, and to follow this odd analogy, it doesn't call itself "toad". it calls itself "crocodile"
nubbins`: anyway, getting ahead of ourselves
mircea_popescu: which is what we're calling ourselves. bitcoin.
nubbins`: first step, 0.5.3->real 0.6
cazalla: bounce wishes the politicians would show some spine here. take their local passport, wave goodbye, declare them europe-wide persona non grata for all eternity. problem solved. <<< they sorta did that here but cancelled the passports so that they couldn't leave australia and not after
asciilifeform: ditch the fractional versions. 1, 2, 3, infinity. natural numbers.
mircea_popescu: mike_c think of it strategically. won't it be funny when usgavin is stuck arguing that a) he's forking bitcoin and b) it's the real bitcoin ?
mike_c: fractional versions serve purpose normally (not in bitcoincore fantasyland)
PeterL: why not just call it 1.0?
mircea_popescu: put usg people in usg type positions.
mircea_popescu: PeterL mostly cause not mature.
PeterL: what does it need to be mature?
mircea_popescu: to be 1.0 ? tradition.
PeterL: a specification?
mircea_popescu: ;;google tradition tradition!
gribble: Tradition!Tradition! - Jewish Gifts and Fine Judaica: <http://www.traditiontradition.com/>; Fiddler on the roof - Tradition ( with subtitles ) - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRdfX7ut8gw>; Tradition (song) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tradition_(song)>
BingoBoingo: The ubuntu naked people from 4.10 http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Ubuntu_Warty_visual_theme/Image_archive
assbot: Ubuntu Warty visual theme/Image archive - Geek Feminism Wiki
mike_c: 1.0 can be the first version that has no more bitcoincore legacy code in it
mircea_popescu: that won't likely ever happen.
mircea_popescu: what may perhaps happen is a day when gavin, mike and co finally go full-ethereum
mircea_popescu: and make a "bitcoin" that has no more bitcoin in it at all.
asciilifeform: i confess - i actually like moldy's 'kelvin versioning.'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform on the c machine tho ?
mircea_popescu: and also, it's kuhns
asciilifeform: start at temperature, e.g., 500K. then 'cooling'. theoretically 0K means it will -never- be reasonable to change it. ever.
undata: BingoBoingo: I remember that; bizarre
nubbins`: do the java thing and call it Bitcoin 6
nubbins`: fuck everything
PeterL: windows thing and call it Bitcoin 2014
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform seriously, donald kuhn did that.
mike_c: my instinct is that any versioning system other than following the derps would be better
asciilifeform: on anything, hell, univac. kelvin versioning doesn't mean you will never throw the whole thing away. just experesses the concept that code must cool down to pefect crystalline form, rather than accumulating turdacles.
mod6: <+nubbins`> do the java thing and call it Bitcoin 6 << haha
asciilifeform: knuth's 'pi versioning' of TeX, yes
mircea_popescu: why do i keep calling the poor man kuhn
mircea_popescu: dylsexiaday.
mircea_popescu: fuck.
los_pantalones: mircea_popescu you may get gavin & co to ethereum mode sooner rather than later
mircea_popescu: mike_c not a bad instinct generally, but gotta start somewhere.
undata: asciilifeform: would the "crystalline" form only describe features? this seems to fly in the face of the "provably correct" conversation of the other day
mircea_popescu: los_pantalones apparently.
los_pantalones: just heard these guys closed 50mm
los_pantalones: http://blockstream.com/
assbot: Blockstream
undata: in that there will always be ways to break things, and always a need for fixes
mircea_popescu: los_pantalones ahahaha with whom
undata: 0.0001K -> 0.00009K ?
los_pantalones: standard vc collective
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Kuhn is the one who tried the versioning things with science http://www.amazon.com/The-Structure-Scientific-Revolutions-Edition/dp/0226458083
assbot: The Structure of Scientific Revolutions, 3rd Edition: Thomas S. Kuhn: 9780226458083: Amazon.com: Books
mike_c: <+undata> in that there will always be ways to break things, and always a need for fixes << yeah.. one way to break things is to add "fixes"
mircea_popescu: should be fun to watch.
los_pantalones: it always is
asciilifeform: we aren't doing 'provably correct' or even 'fits in head' quite yet. just a reasonably sane janitorial job on classical bitcoind. downed pilot has to eat, whether the fauna have four legs, six, or a thousand.
undata: mike_c: yes one way, but certainly not the only
mircea_popescu: los_pantalones so basically.. maxwell, wuille towards the end, and WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE lol
los_pantalones: on the phone was told 'a bunch of people from bitcoin core dev'
los_pantalones: then i looked at the site
BingoBoingo: Wait, isn't sidechains just namecoin or any other merge mined thing, but without history?
los_pantalones: and had the same reaction
mircea_popescu: "Francesca Hall Co-Founder Since joining Blockstream as team coordinator, she has become an expert in complex systems, chaos theory, system automation, and large scale organizational challenges"
mircea_popescu: no, seriously ?
los_pantalones: so possibly some others in the works
los_pantalones: but that's pure speculation from a game of telephone
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo vaguely seems like that.
mircea_popescu: los_pantalones so who is francesca hall lol.
los_pantalones: you tell me
los_pantalones: ol wise one
BingoBoingo: Except each side chain gets their own deedbot?
mircea_popescu: i want some smart chicks that become experts in complex systems and chaos theory over a semester
mircea_popescu: i never met one irl.
thickasthieves: <+mike_c> hey thickasthieves, wake up and back me up. this things needs different branding. /// well i think the whole .0.0 whatever shit is retarded
asciilifeform: .0.0... retarded << very much
mircea_popescu: los_pantalones well, prolly not the same, but intel has "The latest Tweets from Francesca Hall (@FrancescaHRH). In the semi final heat for Miss England 2015 " to share.
los_pantalones: haha, if only
thickasthieves: <+asciilifeform> ditch the fractional versions. 1, 2, 3, infinity. natural numbers. /// yeah, see
thickasthieves: you give it a name, and the first version is 1
kakobrekla: .0.0... retarded << very much << yes it does look like retarded emoticon
asciilifeform: i like the 'kelvin' variant, but this is a matter of taste.
mircea_popescu: los_pantalones o no fucking way, they got like a dozen and they're all co founders and supposedly equally so ?!
BingoBoingo: Oh badusb got commercialized http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/14/10/22/185244/ftdi-reportedly-bricking-devices-using-competitors-chips
assbot: FTDI Reportedly Bricking Devices Using Competitors' Chips. - Slashdot
asciilifeform: that can be mr mold's contribution to civilization. we can credit him.
mircea_popescu is seriously considering expanding the derps. this is good shit.
mircea_popescu: "Jorge Timón Co-Founder Jorge Timón is a software engineer with 4 years of experience at Indra, working on big international projects including software for several insurance companies."
kakobrekla: blockstream has nice logo
mircea_popescu: i see the "3 year's experience" thing got a ++ ?
asciilifeform: why the everliving fuck is usbid on any ftdi - genuine or chinese - reflashable inband ?!?!
thickasthieves: <+kakobrekla> blockstream has nice logo -- not bad, i'd have gone for less segments in the icon
mircea_popescu: los_pantalones uhm... from what i hear the 50 mn reports may be grossly exaggerated.
los_pantalones: possible
los_pantalones: was a single call
kakobrekla: thickasthieves more segments, more mm.
asciilifeform: i always wondered
mircea_popescu: in the sense that if i donate to the bitcoin foundation a btc and consider maybe donating another 100 in time
los_pantalones: guy should know
thickasthieves: i cant argue with more is more
mircea_popescu: it has not in fact received 101 btc financing.
kakobrekla learns from best chumpatrons
los_pantalones: understood, ty for the clarification
asciilifeform: waitasec, this is funded project? why?
bounce: actually bricking? oh dear. that is maybe a little too enthousiastic. but the poor chinese copies claiming to be ftdi then only implementing half the stuff and causing trouble that reflects badly on ftdi would tire me out, honestly.
bounce wouldn't be surprised to learn the chips bricked themselves because they're not up to spec
mircea_popescu: sounds like a distinct possiblity bounce
bounce: setting product id to 0. didn't know they even had programmable vid/pid
asciilifeform: yes reprogrammable, it's intended as a prototype aid. but why inband?!?!
bounce: and, hm, if the device proclaims to be vendor x / product y, then does the vendor have a right to say "but I didn't make this, this is fake. not my product" and set product id to 0?
asciilifeform: i always hated inband reflashable fw in consumer products. invitation for mice.
bounce: first sale doctrine probably says "no" though. but oh so tempting.
mircea_popescu: how does first sale doctrine say no ?
bounce: by the time the driver hits the owner is the client, not the fake vendor nor the real vendor
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22600 @ 0.0007413 = 16.7534 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: so ?
mircea_popescu: you may recall a deffective automobile even if the owner is the owner not you
bounce: the owner will still have to voluntarily submit the product back to the vendor.
mircea_popescu: which he allegedly did by allowing it to be 0'd ?
cazalla: bounce: ;;seen mistere <<< after #b-a went +m, he said he was leaving
bounce: er. how did the owner say "yes please?", given that they evidently didn't see it coming?
bounce: oh, alright.
mircea_popescu: well, evidently.
mircea_popescu: for that matter, it'd be funny if the first sale doctrine protected the owners of counterfit gucci bags.
nubbins`: counterfiat
mircea_popescu: be like, "yeah, it's a fake, but you can't do jack because this guy paid that guy ten bux for it."
bounce: hm. I don't think they've been gone after, have they?
BingoBoingo: Maybe I prefer bootleg USB controllers?
mircea_popescu: bounce no idea, prolly not. kinda fringe
bounce: not sure if it'd make sense to even put the defense on first sale, but worth a shot.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.0007416 = 6.8227 BTC [+]
bounce: anyhow, I get where they're coming from but it's still a dodgy move.
mircea_popescu: well sure it is, no argument there.
mircea_popescu: my point was entirely that the first sale thing prolly won't take you far.
bounce: prolly not. tortuous to say the least. but lots of legal wrangling is exactly that.
mircea_popescu: inexactly that :)
bounce: you're saying legal eagles are a bunch of sloppy cunts?
mircea_popescu: you know, the same way "phenotypically divergent" does not necessarily mean an extremely skinny chick with extremely large tits and improbably long legs. it could also mean disproportionately large head
BingoBoingo: Magnuson–Moss Warranty Act would prolly be the way to protect your bootleg usb chips in US court
mircea_popescu: no, im just saying yours is the bad kind of tortured.
mircea_popescu: bingo's just as tortured, but it looks maybe more fit to thrive.
asciilifeform: http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/14/09/20/1651241/why-you-cant-manufacture-like-apple << not entirely unrelated
assbot: Why You Can't Manufacture Like Apple - Slashdot
bounce: ``The licence only allows use of the Software with, and the Software will only work with Genuine FTDI Components (as defined in the Licence Terms). Use of the Software as a driver for a component that is not a Genuine FTDI Component MAY IRRETRIEVABLY DAMAGE THAT COMPONENT.'' -- well, they did do and went covered their arse.
mike_c: holy shit i just wasted 5 minutes of my life.
mike_c: http://blockstream.com/sidechains.pdf
mircea_popescu: mike_c how many times did i say not to pdf :D
mike_c: you don't want to read it anyway
mircea_popescu: if someone makes a powerpoint they may be worth a fuck, but if someone makes a pdf its not worth your time.
bounce: so save us four minutes and tell us why?
mike_c: sidechains! pegged to bitcoin! don't worry about the fact that it won't fucking work and the sidechains will collapse. we'll figure something out.
bounce: this that old thing again or did someone do a similar thing anew?
mike_c: also requires a "soft-fork" of bitcoin, but don't worry, that's not as bad as a hard fork.
bounce: not that I paid attention the first time around, mind.
mircea_popescu: seems like the old tihng again.
mircea_popescu: re-ethereum
mircea_popescu: which was re-ripple
mircea_popescu: which was re-etc.
mike_c: yeah but they didn't have symmetric two way pegs.
mircea_popescu: oh sorry.
mircea_popescu: http://www.reddit.com/r/TakeBack4chan/comments/2gsppl/our_plan_of_action/ << in other news.
assbot: Our plan of action : TakeBack4chan
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12400 @ 0.00073942 = 9.1688 BTC [-]
bounce: I'm oblivious as to the drama that spawned this
asciilifeform: re: FTDI scandal - the real sc4mz0rz are the usb standard phoundation folks, who charge for IDs. the only reason any of this is happening.
mircea_popescu: ^
mircea_popescu: bounce it's like the previous one with some sed
bounce: uh, no. they're faking the ftdi vid/pid so the driver'll work
asciilifeform: they fake it because even if you implement a standard device class (e.g. HID) you have to fake someone's. or you fork over ~4k usd to parasite scum for a 'legit' id.
bounce: well, yes, they probably should sell, say, fractional VIDs (VID+16 PIDs or so) for a nicely small fraction of the cost
mircea_popescu: like domain names ?
bounce: (there was a guy that did exactly that, expressly for hobbyist purposes, but he got shot down, I think)
asciilifeform: like domain names would be were there zero downward pressure on prices, and a single registrar.
bounce: domain names have a slightly bigger available space
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: So like ISBN?
bounce: for comparison, OUIs cost $1250 last time I checked
asciilifeform: 16 bits of usb vendor id. that's it.
bounce: ISBN blocks come in variable sizes. forgot the size of the price structure.
mircea_popescu: it's about like a domain name, isbn
BingoBoingo: https://www.myidentifiers.com/get-your-isbn-now << bounce now for more than 100 blocks you need to inquire
assbot: Bowker | Identifier Services
asciilifeform: http://www.linux-usb.org/usb.ids
mircea_popescu: http://i.imgur.com/8XqmkJM.jpg
bounce: they're apparently about to run out of numbers. so they tack on three digits for a net gain of one bit
bounce wasn't too impressed by that move
undata: death to centralized number peddlers
undata: what prevented device IDs being uuids?
bounce: well, there's these cheap chinese boxes that come without MAC assigned; somewhere on bootup it'll just make one up
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-10-2014#861596 << so what does he do? tries to cause the grief he intended to stop ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 06-10-2014 21:06:55; gribble: Sent 7 minutes ago: <sgornick> Re: Qntra.net, I registered @Qntra on Twitter before some griefer /squatter did. Then put a Twitterfeed to push tweets from the RSS feed. When you want the twitter acct, let me know what e-mail to assign it to. It can't be an e-mail already used for any other twitter account.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://i.imgur.com/8XqmkJM.jpg << ever read the infamous 'spoons' essay?
bounce: that's like, really useful if you're trying to manage your shop over dhcp
mircea_popescu: have not, no.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://www.butyoudontlooksick.com/articles/written-by-christine/the-spoon-theory
assbot: But You Dont Look Sick? support for those with invisible illness or chronic illness The Spoon Theory written by Christine Miserandino - But You Dont Look Sick? support for those with invisible illness or chronic illness
mircea_popescu: invisible illness ?
mircea_popescu: wait, this is a disease you don;t have but gets you welfare ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: e.g., 'aids'
mircea_popescu: o
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: You know invisible illness like schizophrenia of HIV++
mircea_popescu: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2803444/Florida-man-weighs-500-POUNDS-big-fit-police-car-resists-arrest-sitting-ground.html
assbot: Florida man Howard Hendrix resists arrest by sitting on the ground | Daily Mail Online
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: AIDs is visible, not very, but visible
undata: mircea_popescu: was born in florida; this checks out
bounce: you can take the man out of florida, but can you take florida out of the man?
undata: bounce: I chant "outlier" at night to help myself sleep.
BingoBoingo: Oh, working for USG no immunity from usg http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/jury-reaches-verdict-blackwater-guards-trial-26373170
assbot: Blackwater Guards Found Guilty in Iraq Shootings - ABC News
bounce: until your neighbours call the cops to report a disturbance of the peace?
mircea_popescu: http://i.imgur.com/HugAGqg.png
nubbins`: i uh...
nubbins`: o.O
bounce: too clean to understand this
nubbins`: ^
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu is wallowing with the eagles? mega-lol though
nubbins`: fuckin smell shamer
mircea_popescu: well i somehow ended up looking for internets drama
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15651 @ 0.00073811 = 11.5522 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: for my sins, this query is readily but abundantly satisfied.
nubbins`: asciilifeform you familiar with https://gitian.org/ ?
assbot: Gitian: a secure software distribution method
TheNewDeal: hey nubbins` , good sir, can I get a rating for purchasing them posters :D?
asciilifeform: http://zeptobars.ru/en/read/FTDI-FT232RL-real-vs-fake-supereal << entirely different silicon. from this we learn!! that a) they copied it because usb id is charged for by rent-seeking scumz0rs b) winblows includes ftdi driver already. relationship with microshit. so chinese were forced into this. ☟︎
nubbins`: TheNewDeal, i'm very parsimonious with my ratings
nubbins`: i'm sure you'll understand :/
asciilifeform: (how did i make this inference? simply from the fact of the actual die not being a copy. which would have been the obvious explanation.
TheNewDeal: understood, but I'm in dire need
nubbins`: understood!
BingoBoingo: ;;rated TheNewDeal
gribble: You have not yet rated user TheNewDeal
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot TheNewDeal
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask TheNewDeal!ce2d690b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip. Trust relationship from user assbot to user TheNewDeal: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=TheNewDeal | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=TheNewDeal | Rated since: Sun Apr 13 12:56:09 2014
nubbins`: ;;ratingsystem getratings TheNewDeal
gribble: Error: The "RatingSystem" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "getratings" in it. Try "list RatingSystem" to see the commands in the "RatingSystem" plugin.
mircea_popescu: you got one, what do you need em for ?
asciilifeform: gitian << do not want.
nubbins`: ;;ratingsystem getrating TheNewDeal
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask TheNewDeal!ce2d690b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip. . User TheNewDeal, rated since Sun Apr 13 12:56:09 2014. Cumulative rating 4, from 3 total ratings. Received ratings: 3 positive, 0 negative. Sent ratings: 10 positive, 0 negative. Details: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=TheNewDeal
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: Care to do a tour in the newsmines?
TheNewDeal: is that an invitation to write an article?
TheNewDeal: yes
nubbins`: TheNewDeal you know those are better ratings than i had for a long time :P
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: Find news submit draft
TheNewDeal: but I did purchase 2 posters from you. Want everyone to know I'm a bitcoin art connoisseur
BingoBoingo: !up reggiesells
asciilifeform: gitian << first of all, want bsd - floppy disk image is what i'm playing with now - plus gcc, other deps - pre-baked. minimal size. second, what is this nonsense, it needs an internet connection?!?!
mircea_popescu: !up reggiesells
nubbins`: TheNewDeal, a man's gotta have criteria and you don't meet it, sorry
BingoBoingo: Oh mircea_popescu was slow this time, probably becaus more age
nubbins`: nothing personal
nubbins`: i give out ratings like candy, they'll be worthless
mircea_popescu: moar cognac.
nubbins`: you want everyone to know you're a connoisseur, post some pics of your poster to the thread ;D
BingoBoingo is really liking this switch to just ETOH+mixer
TheNewDeal: I don't see how it'd be worthless. In fact, if someone wanted to do business with me, they could literally ask you how it went
reggiesells: noob here, what the heck did you guys just do with those irc commands?
TheNewDeal: I'm distancing myself from the forum
TheNewDeal: too much wasted time
BingoBoingo: reggiesells: We gave you voice!
nubbins`: reggiesells, gribble manages our web of trust for us
reggiesells: thanks! @BingoBoingo, i almost lost my voice earlier
kakobrekla: !up to heaven
mircea_popescu: http://i.imgur.com/6464LM2.png <<< check out this land where thermodynamics never happened.
reggiesells: oohh okay, i know about WoT.
nubbins`: TheNewDeal and i'd say "yeah, guy sent me btc, i sent him a poster" and they would not have any new information upon which to judge your character
reggiesells: thanks @nubbins'
BingoBoingo: reggiesells: Well it happens on a 30 minute timers. assbot rules over us all unequally
bounce: this is twittar now?
reggiesells: haha yes
reggiesells: now i feel less special lol
TheNewDeal: mkay, I'll tell them it's in the logs https://imgflip.com/i/9iu9z
assbot: Image tagged in lawgs - Imgflip
asciilifeform: ok looks like author pointed it out: 'What's the economic reason of making software fake of well-known chip instead of making new one under your own name? This way they don't need to buy USB VID, sign drivers in Microsoft, no expenses on advertisement. This fake chip will be used right away in numerous mass-manufactured products.'
bounce: what's the cost of getting a driver signed and added to the store by redmond?
nubbins`: $$$$
mircea_popescu: a coupla k's it was
nubbins`: wait, well.
nubbins`: like $4k for vendor id and driver signing
nubbins`: with the bulk of that being for the VID
jurov: git clone http://therealbitcoin.org/test/bitcoin.git just trying out the setup... works, but with mysterious 403 thrown for good measure
mircea_popescu is not impressed by this spoon theory.
bounce: stopped reading the thing. too wordy, going nowhere.
mircea_popescu: basically it's a "hey, homeostatic systems have finite recourse"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it wasn't an intellectual breakthrough of any kind whatsoever - but is apparently 'canonical' among the community of the Officially Sad.
mircea_popescu: yeah bitch, they do. nevertheless, ever since i can recall my process was to stay up until i was sleepy and then sleep until i woke up.
mircea_popescu: and then eat when hungry and so on. caesar's method.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that only works if you're caesar - or at least, a free man.
mircea_popescu: yeah, well...
mircea_popescu: i am.
mircea_popescu: i was when i was 6, too.
jurov: i guess parents did not destroy your endocrine system by placating you with sweets
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: was 6 << easy then
mircea_popescu: jurov no, actually, i ate so much sugar it was scary.
mircea_popescu: one of the things in family folklore re my childhood is this one time when they got a large jar of homemade jam from up in the pantry where it was kept (why ?) and while discussing if to make it crepes or what
mircea_popescu: i ate it.
mircea_popescu: 50lb kid, 1lb apricot jam, 50% sugar by weight.
asciilifeform: in usa, food (at least if you like recycled food!) is free as air. sleep - is for royalty.
mircea_popescu: i dunno, i slept pretty well there. nice idea the boxspring
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: again, you. not us inmates.
mircea_popescu: but i am not royalty!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: but - yer not an inmate.
mircea_popescu: anyway, there is some merit to this entire "sucks to be me" approach to obesity. while i have been catching on a little weight as an adult male, it's still mostly a case of, if i overeat my body just turns it to heat, usually on the spot.
mircea_popescu: "why am i so hot ? a wait, that was a third desert wasn't it. plus alcohol."
asciilifeform: at some point we'll learn the secret of adjusting the thermostat, so to speak, of the body - and then people will blast themselves to hell with free radicals instead of dying of fat. choose ice vs. fire death, yes.
bounce: spontaneous combustion and so on
asciilifeform: combustion << nah, just regular cellular aging.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11165 @ 0.00073488 = 8.2049 BTC [-]
nubbins`: box spring is best spring
asciilifeform: my mental concept of freedom is more or less synonymous with never setting an alarm clock again.
nubbins`: jurov 403 forbidden indeed!
jurov: but it doesn't say which url exactly
asciilifeform: food? sex? slave can get these. sleep ad libitum - is the mark of the free man.
nubbins`: http://dpaste.com/10SKRWS
assbot: dpaste: 10SKRWS
undata: as long as you're somewhere where the sun will wake you up
undata: side note: I happen to be an inmate that sleeps when he pleases
nubbins`: jurov what do server logs say
undata: americans are just lazy; you can still have freedom here
bounce: that hungarian "internet tax", 150 forints / gigabyte (or part thereof). that's .49 euro / gigabyte.
nubbins`: wow
bounce: doesn't say if that's for mobile only or fixed too.
undata: speaking of inmates.
asciilifeform: you - which you. herr buffett can sleep when he pleases, likewise, i hear.
undata: it doesn't take that much wealth to self-sustain
nubbins`: ^
undata: again: laziness.
nubbins`: it's more a function of what you consume than what your income is
asciilifeform: it doesn't take that much wealth to self-sustain << Mega-Lol!
undata: segue to circle-jerk
BingoBoingo: ;;google extreme early retirement
gribble: Early Retirement Extreme: — a combination of simple living ...: <http://earlyretirementextreme.com/>; Early Retirement Extreme Forums • Index page: <http://forum.earlyretirementextreme.com/>; What 30-Year-Old Retirees Can Teach The Rest Of Us - Forbes: <http://www.forbes.com/sites/nextavenue/2014/03/21/what-30-year-old-retirees-can-teach-the-rest-of-us/>
undata: I suppose all 320mil of us work at McDonalds leaving only to go through the drive-through at Burger King in your fantasy.
asciilifeform: the only 'early retirement' available to everyone is the 'last bullet retirement fund.'
undata: asciilifeform: you said you were russian, right?
undata: speaking of countries filled with useless people
asciilifeform: undata: usa 1992-present
nubbins`: ;;google freedom 35
gribble: freedom 35: <http://www.freedomthirtyfiveblog.com/>; Freedom 35 | Facebook: <https://www.facebook.com/Freedom35Clothing>; Is Freedom 35 possible? - Retire Happy: <http://retirehappy.ca/is-freedom-35-possible/>
undata: asciilifeform: I share the distaste for merkuh, but... broad brush.
nubbins`: 1992, the year punk broke
nubbins`: asciilifeform came to see a sonic youth show and never left
asciilifeform: undata: my criticism here is not usa-specific. applies to all industrial nations.
undata: then granted
bounce: "broad brush" "no broader brush" "oh okay"
asciilifeform: undata: except that in usa and its colonies, the slaves derp on about being some kind of 'free' despite not even being permitted to sleep.
undata: bounce: as long as we're all covered in shit.
undata: some socialist logic for you
bounce: you pinko commie socialist, you
undata: ha beat you
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> my mental concept of freedom is more or less synonymous with never setting an alarm clock again. << ha! not even for say, a comet ?
bounce: yeah yeah you're first, you win
undata: bounce: trying to balance out the socialism, ok?
asciilifeform: ok alarm clock, but only if i want. for comet. that's it.
mircea_popescu: <bounce> that hungarian "internet tax", 150 forints / gigabyte (or part thereof). that's .49 euro / gigabyte. <<< it's al ulzfest. the gb costs about 1 cent or so atm.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> you - which you. herr buffett can sleep when he pleases, likewise, i hear. << not so. not when the dow is ding ding dinging downwards.
bounce: depends on where you get it. mobile or fixed or wholesale
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24600 @ 0.00073488 = 18.078 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: well in the same sense brent is 100 bux a barrel
mircea_popescu: sure, "depoends where you get it".
mircea_popescu: <nubbins`> asciilifeform came to see a sonic youth show and never left << lol too funnay.
asciilifeform: i'll feel sorry for herr b when he has to live in a rented hovel and wake to an alarm bell. and follow orders.
BingoBoingo wishes for gas station gift card deniminated in gallons of gas rather than dollars of gas.
mircea_popescu: now that's a good one
BingoBoingo: I'd simply hodl it and use the appreciation to get the liquor
bounce didn't catch where they were levying that tax, or what they were imagining the prices currently paid to be
asciilifeform: came to see a sonic << if only. brought as a boy and ended up with no other citizenship just like parents (no automagic su->ru citizenship for folks who packed up prior to '94, if i recall)
mike_c: BingoBoingo: this exists. http://www.mygallons.com/
assbot: MyGallons.com. Tomorrow’s gas. Today’s prices.
nubbins`: <+mircea_popescu> <asciilifeform> my mental concept of freedom is more or less synonymous with never setting an alarm clock again. << ha! not even for say, a comet ? <<< i'm down to one alarm a week
nubbins`: amazing the effect this has on one's attitude and outlook
[]bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "20% difficulty increase before 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1036/ Odds: 34(Y):66(N) by coin, 38(Y):62(N) by weight. Total bet: 27.73541987 BTC. Current weight: 43,652.
bounce: http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvekey.cgi?keyword=bitcoin
assbot: CVE -Search Results
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but you were born in odessa ? then you do have ru citizenship no ?
BingoBoingo: Everyone look and see if you can spot the new design++ http://qntra.net/
assbot: Qntra.net | Bitcoin News, Views & Commentary
BingoBoingo: mike_c: Seems shady, 404 on the "how this works" page
mike_c: yeah, i ran into it a couple years ago. seems to have lost steam with falling gas prices (shocking).
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6250 @ 0.00073765 = 4.6103 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: incidentally, this: http://imgur.com/a/8f0ge is the man who killed the armed gunman at the canadian parliament today
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
BingoBoingo: I'd more prefer a solution offered by a conveniece store chain I despise.
nubbins`: and yes he wears that sword every day
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Did he kill him with the mace?
mircea_popescu: who killed the unarmed gunman ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Looks like the Seargent at Arms
BingoBoingo: From nubbins` pic
mircea_popescu: ahahahaha fucked him with the mace of office ?
BingoBoingo: I hope
nubbins`: BingoBoingo indeed the sgt at arms
nubbins`: apparently emptied his weapon, went back to his office to grab more bullets
nubbins`: ;0
BingoBoingo knew Model UN would be useful for something
nubbins`: heh
nubbins`: i was ethiopia
BingoBoingo: I chaired the Science and Technology committee.
BingoBoingo: Was a $1000 a year discount on tuition
mircea_popescu: "The engineNextBytes function in classlib/modules/security/src/main/java/common/org/apache/harmony/security/provider/crypto/SHA1PRNG_SecureRandomImpl.java in the SecureRandom implementation in Apache Harmony through 6.0M3, as used in the Java Cryptography Architecture (JCA) in Android before 4.4 and other products, when no seed is provided by the user, uses an incorrect offset value, which makes it easier for attackers
mircea_popescu: to defeat cryptographic protection mechanisms by leveraging the resulting PRNG predictability, as exploited in the wild against Bitcoin wallet applications in August 2013."
mircea_popescu: quite. mp still recalls the profusely apologetic "we fucked up the init and consequently ppl got pwned" stuff coming out of the chief scientists
mircea_popescu: "The HTTPAuthorized function in bitcoinrpc.cpp in bitcoind 0.8.1 provides information about authentication failure upon detecting the first incorrect byte of a password, which makes it easier for remote attackers to determine passwords via a timing side-channel attack."
mircea_popescu: easier ? lolk.
nubbins`: lel does it really?
nubbins`: "what's your password?" "P-A-S-S-Q.." "WRONG"
BingoBoingo: Real Journalism in two examples: http://deadspin.com/tim-lincecum-missed-the-world-series-intros-because-he-1649546885 http://deadspin.com/cops-substitute-teacher-gave-h-s-footballer-oral-sex-1649426335
assbot: Tim Lincecum Missed The World Series Intros Because He Was Barfing
assbot: Cops: Substitute Teacher Gave H.S. Footballer Oral Sex During Pep Rally
BingoBoingo: Also www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/haunted-house-assault-lawsuit-786543
bounce: which reminds me. there need to be automated regression tests.
pete_dushenski: time to chime in on the new bitcoin name:
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform:ditch the fractional versions. 1, 2, 3, infinity. natural numbers. << except we use.... roman numerals.
mircea_popescu: the substitute head seems a good idea.
pete_dushenski: i, ii, iii, vi, v, etc.
nubbins`: gross
nubbins`: bitcoin MCMXLVIII
BingoBoingo: So... anyone spot the new qntra design++ yet?
ben_vulpes: <nubbins`> bitcoin x << ah, this
jurov: gray background?
pete_dushenski: nubbins` jeez lowercase.
nubbins`: ben_vulpes 8)
BingoBoingo: jurov: Close, look higher
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes rite.
jurov: the "menu"?
BingoBoingo: higher...
nubbins`: i'd guess the favicon even though it hasn't loaded for me yet
mircea_popescu: tits ?
pete_dushenski: eh qntra is down for me.
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: It is the favicon
jurov: i see no favicon
nubbins` claps
BingoBoingo: jurov: Using Firefox?
nubbins`: http://qntra.net/favicon.ico
jurov: y
mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/favicon.ico << this thing ?
BingoBoingo: jurov: Won't show until you restart firefox
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: yes
mircea_popescu: what is it, like a coil of rope ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It's Just a Q and an n
pete_dushenski: los_pantalones: just heard these guys closed 50mm << inching closer to that magic $bn
pete_dushenski: lol blockstream has "gregory maxwell" on its list of founders.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Do you know what the truly beautiful thing about softforks is?
nubbins`: jurov git works now. what version is this?
BingoBoingo: Maybe not beautiful, but sublime?
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo that b-a is behind them?
jurov: nubbins` just a clone of github
nubbins`: ah kk
jurov: git does not like getting 403 instead of 404
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: No, that they prevent people using newer software from making or recognizing certain transactions.
jurov: nubbins` an idea: what about making the Q more like opinion bubble?
jurov: like speech in comics
nubbins`: nice idea
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo heh.
mircea_popescu: qntra needs a bikshed.
jurov: and trollbox!!!1
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: That is the literal reading of the Thermos bitcoin wiki definition of softfork
BingoBoingo: jurov: But this is trollbox
pete_dushenski: so i'm guessing no spv will work on the bitcoin i ? so no more multibit?
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Older version of Multibit don't need bloom filters...
BingoBoingo: Also as I said last night, running the occasional 0.8.x node is polite...
jurov: and i asked last night, what's so evil about 0.8/9?
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo ok. so up to what version of multibit are we talking here?
pete_dushenski surfs multibit github
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Well I use 0.5.11 because it is what still lets me use higher than pennies tx fees
BingoBoingo: jurov: I think the evil is simply the distance + proximity to Hearn
BingoBoingo: jurov: At least as far as concretes can be found
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Qntra already has n=1 bikeshed http://qntra.net/2014/10/cryptocoinsnews-is-anything-but/#comment-120
assbot: CryptoCoinsNews Is Anything But | Qntra.net
jurov: seems rather superstitious to me... but yes, starting at 0.5 and adding new stuff only after review is a plan
BingoBoingo: Superstitious in itself is not ideal, but... Hearn did trigger a hardfork...
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo ya i'm rocking 0.5.14
nubbins`: jurov http://i.imgur.com/8UeXsPU.png
nubbins`: ;D
jurov: hue
mircea_popescu: jurov the major code reorg that caused a fork. factual.
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: The idea I floated last week was purple and orange, but cazalla reminded me colorblindness is a thing.
nubbins`: sure is
nubbins`: so, green on red?
jurov: iirc bdb caused a fork, no?
mircea_popescu: jurov no.
BingoBoingo: jurov: Leveldb caused fork nominally
mircea_popescu: leveldb / poorly understood / not tested new code caused a fork
mircea_popescu: supposedly this was accidental. i never bought it.
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Honestly, prolly best to remain greyscal friendly
mircea_popescu: leveldb in and of itself is whatever, maybe not the first choice for a db. leveldb as implemented by hearn was an attack on bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: the fact that we survived does not mean they didn't try.
BingoBoingo: ^
BingoBoingo: Leveldb google turd does actually seem to be higher performance than the BDB oracle turd, but... yes consequences.
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 326536 | Current Difficulty: 3.500248202613323E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 326591 | Next Difficulty In: 55 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 8 hours, 5 minutes, and 53 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 36054837706.0 | Estimated Percent Change: 3.00652
jurov: okay i see, there's lot of new code not properly reviewed
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo MultiBit Version 0.5.11 Changes + Implemented issue 96 - Sign and Verify message. << that's it!
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: And after that I wanted for nothing more from an SPV client
BingoBoingo: Just to verify messages
BingoBoingo: !up xinxi
BingoBoingo: %d
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.73 Est. Next Diff: 634748.22 in 1303 blocks (#48384) Est. % Change: 35.18
BingoBoingo: %p
atcbot: >> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 1502.67 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.38 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 0.00 TH/s
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo the only interesting one you're missing out on is "#181. Improved build to check dependencies using Gary's dependency checker." lol
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: It's a java turd. I holds keys with decreasing amounts of funds and handles a few adresses funds might still come to.
ben_vulpes: was someone hosting some git repos?
BingoBoingo: It's more private than using electrum on a public server, but far from using an actual client
pete_dushenski: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 326536 | Current Difficulty: 3.500248202613323E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 326591 | Next Difficulty In: 55 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 8 hours, 5 minutes, and 53 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 36054837706.0 | Estimated Percent Change: 3.00652
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo ya i don't mind it at all :)
mircea_popescu: http://www.nhplace.com/kent/index.html << check out kent pitman allll over salon.com with the "global warming" thingee
assbot: Kent Pitman's Home Page
mircea_popescu: this is so lulzy.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Sort of thing you might use on a netbook with just enough BTC to pay your own ransom
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu did you see piketty's letter about gw?
mircea_popescu: prolly not ?
bounce: another interesting task: figure out what the db really needs to be doing then find well-tested code that can do it
pete_dushenski: https://twitter.com/LeoHickman/status/524843439331246081
assbot: I was wondering when the rockstar economist Thomas Piketty would enter the climate debate... http://t.co/V2aOWzwWPQ http://t.co/vpt4SBE2w9
pete_dushenski: ^first link is for ft, second to photograb
nubbins`: http://i.imgur.com/TGgEW94.png
nubbins`: ben_vulpes therealbitcoin.org
mircea_popescu: ah, that guy. meh, whatever.
nubbins`: http://therealbitcoin.org/test/bitcoin.git
mircea_popescu couldn't give less of a shit about whatever "star" the ustardians have produced this week.
mircea_popescu: i might review what this guy has to say sometime in 21xx, maybe.
mircea_popescu: probably not.
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo paying your own ransom?
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu i'd be highly surprised.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Well, if you can.
BingoBoingo: Has wallet encryption. You can "given them your last penny" to the extent they can see it...
BingoBoingo: Paying one's own ransom as a protocol probably won't be perfected though until assbot's level 1 consists entirely of nuclear powers.
mircea_popescu: jurov: wtf is "individual terrorist undertaking"? << basically, what you're doing here.
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo a yes, the $900k coin!
BingoBoingo: "Data Center that can't be disconnected" from a safe range
mircea_popescu: chetty incidentally, the french are also building their own gulag, huh
BingoBoingo: After that we just need a few super mutants and then New Reno
mircea_popescu: bounce: announce that loud and clear and everybody knows what the score is. "if you want to go there, you're dead to us." << it won't work.
BingoBoingo: Nah, they are just aping the us like the monkeys those frogs really are
mircea_popescu: france is dead, notjust ot them, to everyone.
mircea_popescu: bounce: I don't care if maladjusted angry youths want to run away and make trouble in a war zone. I do care if they come back, recruit some more kids (to do the same), cause trouble, shoot some jews, what have you. << how else do you expect the shithole to be fixed ?
mircea_popescu: "Three Colorado high school students may have been playing hooky so they could run away and join ISIS — apparently seduced by their twisted campaign of terror and hatred. The girls, ages 15, 16 and 17, never showed up to their Denver-area school on Friday because they were en route to Turkey via Germany," <<< much better chicks than any "feminist" or w/e.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: White kids from ladue studying with Black kids from Ferguson and North City?
mircea_popescu: these are the generation leaders.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11336 @ 0.00073881 = 8.3752 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: Oh invoking ISIS raises MPOE?
mircea_popescu: lol
BingoBoingo: !up AdamIRAway
mircea_popescu: apparently you can void passports for truancy now, in the bestest america.
undata: you can void life without due process; what's a passport?
BingoBoingo: You can apparently void passports for angry county courts in Usia
mircea_popescu: undata the same obnoxious farts that create this "passport" that means no rights are also wondering why even a teenager if she has any sense wants to bomb them off the planet.
mircea_popescu: year, really, i wonder why the fuck is it that the best kids that the us can produce want to go help isis burn the whole world.
mircea_popescu: it certainly couldn't be because the world sucks, right ?
undata: mircea_popescu: that's that suicidal streak I was talking about
undata: US culture is as ready to kill itself as the rest of the world is to help it do so.
mircea_popescu: othernubs`: i thought medium was the sort of site where literally anyone can publish? <<< medium is, essentially, the sort of venue created to give the impression of a #b-a to the 99% idiots who can't tell the difference.
mircea_popescu: so as to create the illusion that there's no actual support for simple stuff like "either you renounce ALL your laws or we burn you to the ground."
mircea_popescu: i forget what this is called in us politics, but o yeah, "splitting the vote"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: but you were born in odessa ? then you do have ru citizenship no? << lol! the whole city would've emptied in '92 or even earlier, if this were so.
mircea_popescu: but... wait dude.
mircea_popescu: you were born there. what more ?
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu "either you renounce ALL your laws or we burn you to the ground." << now here's a radical concept. probably the same one that was invoked at parliament hill today
jurov: mircea_popescu: odessa changed country meanwhile
pete_dushenski: i'm off to watch grown ass men with skates chase a black disk around a frozen pond. enjoy your eve b-a!
BingoBoingo impressed that Argentine citizenship merely requires two years residence and an income, true land of the free
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell pete_dushenski I think the game was postponed
gribble: The operation succeeded.
jurov: !s asciilifeform passport
assbot: 35 results for 'asciilifeform passport' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=asciilifeform+passport
jurov: !s asciilifeform russian passport
assbot: 5 results for 'asciilifeform russian passport' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=asciilifeform+russian+passport
kakobrekla: and thats how doxing is done
mircea_popescu: jurov oh i see
jurov: !dox asciilifeform
assbot: !s asciilifeform russian passport
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you were born there. what more << ussr kaput